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superm1that sounds right02:05
superm1cornell, ^02:06
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OpenMediasuperm1: Do you know of anyone trying mythbuntu on an old XBox>?02:54
superm1I knew of some people that were interested, but i expect installation is a bit of a pain02:54
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OpenMediaMight take a look for a front end device. They are so cheap now.03:00
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OpenMediasuperm1: what are you expecting to be the painful bits, or should I just try a vanilla ubuntu install and then add the frontend bits?03:04
superm1well you can't boot a standard iso in the xbox03:05
OpenMediaAh.. That would be a bit of a killer then.03:05
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superm1there are methods03:07
superm1i'd expect the easiest is some install to a usb disk03:07
superm1prior03:07
superm1and then to get a kernel booted and cp everything03:08
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tgm4883_laptopwhat are you trying to do OpenMedia?03:18
OpenMediatgm4883_laptop: Been looking at hardware for additional front end devices, and for a lot of cases and old XBox is ideal, and currently very cheap.03:19
tgm4883_laptophmm03:19
OpenMediaAnyone else got frontend suggestions that are fanless and cheaper than mini-itx based kit.03:19
tgm4883_laptopim not sure if the xbox is powerful enough to run linux and mythtv03:20
tgm4883_laptopnot enough ram03:20
OpenMediaI have requests for two grades of front end.03:20
OpenMedia1. Basic SD support (fanless)03:20
OpenMedia2. Full HD support (also fanless)03:20
OpenMediaXBox runs MythTV frontend just fine.03:20
OpenMediaJust wondering about using Mythbuntu or Ubuntu as the base.03:20
tgm4883_laptopreally?03:21
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OpenMediaFine for SD MPEG2 playback and most AVI files.03:21
tgm4883_laptopyou've tested/seen this on a regular xbox (not a dream system)03:22
superm1i've heard it can03:22
superm1on a regular xbox03:22
tgm4883_laptophmm03:23
OpenMediaI know some people running MythTV frontends on the Xbox. Haven't played with one myself.03:23
tgm4883_laptopi'd be sketiple03:23
tgm4883_laptopwell there is a plugin for xbmc for mythtv03:23
OpenMediaDid have a play with an STB who's hardware spec was almost identical to the xbox and it made a perfect MythTV frontend.03:23
superm1OpenMedia, get it working w/ mythbuntu and tell me how, i know i haven't got the time to figure it out :)03:24
OpenMediasuperm1: Hey no worries, Just checking on any gotchas.03:24
OpenMediahttp://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Xbox_Frontend03:24
tgm4883_laptopthe reason im sketiple is that with only 64MB of ram and a striped down processor it has problems multitasking03:24
OpenMediahttp://www.xbox-linux.org/wiki/MythTV_on_Xebian_HOWTO03:24
tgm4883_laptopif it works though, more power to you03:25
foxbuntuOpenMedia, what is the url to your store?03:25
tgm4883_laptopOpenMedia = OpenMediaSupport?03:25
OpenMediahttp://mypvr.co.nz is the product page. Sales links to our retail outlets03:25
OpenMediatgm4883_laptop:  Yeah.. I must still be logged in on my desktop03:26
tgm4883_laptopah03:27
tgm4883_laptopdid you get my message earlier about the archiving?03:27
tgm4883_laptopmaybe superm1 knows?03:27
OpenMediatgm4883_laptop: sorry I must have missed it. You were asking if mytharchive would affect program expiry03:27
tgm4883_laptopdoes mytharchive put what your archiving into the autoexpire list?03:27
foxbuntuOpenMedia, do you have any idea what the rough cost of your unit is in US $?03:28
tgm4883_laptopi have 2 programs that I am now missing03:28
OpenMediafoxbuntu: Retail price with our support included is NZ$200003:28
foxbuntuOpenMedia, wow...thats a good chunk03:30
foxbuntuabout US$140003:30
tgm4883_laptopI want to say that i have seen that system somewhere03:31
OpenMediaCheaper than local WinMCE based units.03:31
OpenMediaYou can get the cases from NewEgg - NMedia makes them.03:31
foxbuntuOpenMedia, how long have you been building and supporting them?03:31
OpenMediaPlus local WinMCE units are pre-configured.03:31
OpenMediafoxbuntu: 18 months.03:31
foxbuntuhows that working for you?03:32
OpenMediaLittle to slow, and interesting dealing with consumers rather than geeks03:33
OpenMediaPlus our current OS base is getting a little old, so i'm looking at Mythbuntu as the base for the next release03:33
tgm4883_laptoplol03:34
tgm4883_laptopi remember now03:34
tgm4883_laptopit was here, its similar to yours03:35
tgm4883_laptophttp://store02.prostores.com/servlet/tvease/StoreFront03:35
foxbuntuOpenMedia, as well am I. I am very business minded and always like looking for ventures like this.  I am considering a Mythbuntu based product for the US Market03:35
tgm4883_laptopI also remember looking here http://www.openmedia.co.nz/openmedia/ :)03:35
foxbuntutgm4883_laptop, yea, I ran across that one just a little while ago03:35
tgm4883_laptopfoxbuntu, did you see this http://www.monolithmc.com/index.php03:35
tgm4883_laptopubuntu based mythtv systems03:36
OpenMediatgm4883_laptop: yes that it us.. The product has been moved onto its own website so we can focus on some other solutions.03:36
tgm4883_laptopah03:36
tgm4883_laptopfoxbuntu, i think the future is in home automation systems03:37
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foxbuntutgm4883_laptop, i dunno, I think TiVO and DVR have started becoming household terms...and because everyone wants the latest and coolest it is more about marketing a product than competition03:39
OpenMediatgm4883_laptop:  our problem is NZ consumers want retail rather than online outlets, which pushes our pricing up.03:39
foxbuntutgm4883_laptop, mine sits behind my entertainment center :)03:39
tgm4883_laptoptrue, but the markup on those units is small03:39
OpenMediaWonder what case they use as it looks a lot cheaper than ours.03:40
tgm4883_laptopthe markup on home automation systems is high03:40
tgm4883_laptopOpenMedia, do you offer any rackmount cases?03:40
OpenMediaWe had a review in a HIFI mag and they complained our case wasn't fancy enough.03:40
foxbuntutgm4883_laptop, right, the issue with home automation is installation services03:40
OpenMediaWe can do rackmount on request.03:40
tgm4883_laptopsweet03:40
foxbuntutgm4883_laptop, I can build you a rack mount :)03:41
tgm4883_laptopfoxbuntu, ideally you would want to do new construction only03:41
foxbuntutgm4883_laptop, right03:41
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OpenMediaI'm talking to commercial customers who want rackmount systems03:41
foxbuntutgm4883_laptop, no...I can get a 2U rack case that would be  very nice03:42
tgm4883_laptopOpenMedia, I'm seeing whole house systems that use rackmount.  As since the backends would all be contained together03:42
tgm4883_laptopfoxbuntu, i dont have rackmount in my home....yet :)03:42
foxbuntuI am putting one in my house next03:43
foxbuntuer rather next house03:43
foxbuntutgm4883_laptop, http://www.google.com/trends?q=dvr%2C+tivo%2C+mythtv%2C+home+automation&ctab=0&hl=en&geo=all&date=all&sort=003:43
OpenMediatgm4883_laptop: It looks like they are using the Asus barebone series of units for their PVRs.03:43
tgm4883_laptopI saw a really nice (expensive) system that mythtv would compare pretty well with, but it's still missing some basic features that are necessities compared to other products03:44
tgm4883_laptopfoxbuntu, where does this grab from, search engine searches or?03:45
foxbuntutgm4883_laptop, from google03:47
foxbuntugoogle searches03:47
tgm4883_laptopright, but is it listing the amount of go03:47
tgm4883_laptopah ok03:47
tgm4883_laptopi'm not disagreeing with you btw, TiVo is hot right now, what im saying is that while TiVo is hot, everybody and his brother is doing DVR, when there are really only a few home automation systems out their right now03:48
tgm4883_laptopand even if you didn't go full home automation, there are other systems besides dvr that rock03:49
tgm4883_laptopfull home audio, full home video03:49
foxbuntuhttp://www.ahanix.com/products/mce/mce_d5.php03:49
tgm4883_laptopI'm thinking that these are going to sky rocket in the next 3 to 7 years03:49
OpenMediaI've had conversations with customers about their ideal "really easy" home automation solution that they think would cost next to nothing. Sadly the real price is 5-10x what they expect. Making it appear easy is very expensive.03:51
OpenMediatgm4883_laptop: Your missing programs. Have you looked in the logs to see when they were deleted?03:52
foxbuntutgm4883_laptop, from a business prospective I want to get off the ground with whats hot and then work into whats coming03:52
foxbuntuOpenMedia, there aren't a lot of choices for htpc's are there03:59
foxbuntuhtpc cases that is03:59
foxbuntuwow...the Antec case is really nice however04:00
OpenMediaYou either go cheap  - under US$80, medium 80-180, or silly, 200-500 just for the case.04:02
OpenMediaLocally I see a lot of HTPCs where the case price is NZ$600 retail along.04:02
OpenMedias/along/alone/04:03
foxbuntuthe antec case is about 18004:03
foxbuntuUS$18004:03
OpenMediaIts about NZ$450 here.04:03
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OpenMediafoxbuntu: Hmm maybe wrong case. Which Antec case were you talking about?04:06
foxbuntuhttp://www.antec.com/ec/productDetails.php?ProdID=08738#04:06
OpenMediaYeah around NZ$420 here.04:07
OpenMediaNice case though04:07
foxbuntuyea04:08
foxbuntuwow thats high04:08
OpenMediaThere isn't the same demand = higher prices.04:09
foxbunturight04:09
tgm4883_laptopfoxbuntu, it's all about retro cases04:12
OpenMediaI like that antec case. Have to ask around my suppliers.04:13
tgm4883_laptopie, sticking a mini-itx inside an NES04:13
foxbuntutgm4883_laptop, funny you mention that...I am working with troy_s to turn the Mythbuntu theme retro04:13
tgm4883_laptopnice04:13
OpenMediaOK the antec case trade wouid cost us double our current case price.. Ouch.04:14
foxbuntuouch indeed04:14
foxbuntuthats a big profit loss04:14
tgm4883_laptopthats a nice case, how much is it?04:14
foxbuntu$180 US04:14
tgm4883_laptophmm04:14
OpenMediaWe'd have to offer it at a different price.04:15
foxbuntuyea04:15
OpenMediaPlus NZ average retail margin is also high.04:16
foxbuntubut you would have to find a way to market it so that the price doesn't change that much with it only being a case change04:16
foxbuntuOpenMedia, oh really?04:16
tgm4883_laptopit's a nice case, but not a $200 case04:16
tgm4883_laptopbut then again, i wouldn't pay 200 for a case04:16
OpenMediaWhat would you consider it worth tgm4883_laptop?04:16
foxbuntutgm4883_laptop,  indeed me either :) I have my Myth box in a 3004:17
foxbuntu$30 case04:17
OpenMediaThat is always a problem. I had some people complain because they can build a myth box for NZ$200 from spare old parts. Problem is they have 10% of the featured of my units and it looks a mess. Hence we aim at consumers who are willing to pay the margin for the premium product.04:18
tgm4883_laptopOpenMedia, well I wouldn't pay $200 for any case, i'd probably max out around 125 - 15004:18
OpenMediaMan these guys have to be joking. Talk about a high price for that case - admin@openmedia.co.nz04:18
tgm4883_laptopbut thats max, and it would have to be a special thinig04:19
OpenMediaWhoops.. - http://www.millenniumtechnology.co.nz/product_select.php?area=20&product_id=36&cat1_id=604:19
foxbuntuthat was good OpenMedia04:19
foxbuntuHOLY CRAP04:20
OpenMediaYeah that one was a bit exreme.04:21
foxbuntuthats quite sad04:21
OpenMediaI can get it for a lot cheaper trade, but it is still quite a bit more than our existing cases.04:22
foxbuntuyea04:23
foxbuntuI would have to get back into the channel around here and find out what I can get it priced out at04:24
tgm4883_laptopOpenMedia, I swear that I was in Fry's and saw that case for around $98.  Probably a knock off04:24
foxbuntuoh theres is what I need for my next overkill project04:30
foxbuntuthe new antec 1000w power supply04:30
OpenMediafoxbuntu: Hmm How much storage could you hang off that before it gives out ;)04:47
superm1laga, woah.  this gdebi magic in pbuilder is amazing05:36
superm1you shoudl have made me turn it on ages ago05:36
OpenMediasuperm1: Hmmm cool tool.. I like it.05:43
superm1OpenMedia, which?05:44
superm1the control centre?05:44
OpenMediagdebi05:45
OpenMediaHmm now onto control centre.05:45
OpenMediaAm I supposed to be able to run it as any user from the command line?05:45
superm1OpenMedia, as a user with sudo rights05:46
OpenMediaI put one of the issues I had with it into launchpad.05:46
superm1about gdebi?05:46
OpenMediaOk well I don't get a gui05:46
superm1or control centre05:46
OpenMediaOk we'll talk about your control centre.05:46
OpenMediaI installed it onto 3 mythbuntu environments05:46
superm1right05:46
OpenMedia1 - just a frontend05:46
OpenMedia2 - slave backend05:46
OpenMedia3 - full install05:46
OpenMediaFirst up it pulled in a bunch of updates that weren't in alpha3, plus I noticed that the backend installs lirc support.. Hmm.05:47
superm1well the lirc support is needed to properly build the GUI05:48
superm1i've thought about ways to break that up05:48
OpenMediaNext I tried to run it on the command line, and on first run it got this error - https://bugs.launchpad.net/mythbuntu/+bug/13363305:48
ubotuLaunchpad bug 133633 in mythbuntu "mythstream error on first run of mythbuntu-control-centre" [Undecided,New] 05:48
superm1like make a lirc-common package05:48
OpenMediaSome issue with mythstream... Odd05:48
superm1OpenMedia, oh, i didn't even consider that you couldn't do that yet.  mythstream isn't in the archive05:48
superm1its in my local archive05:48
superm1but not in the official one05:48
superm1tgm4883, finished it, but it needs to be acked yet05:49
OpenMediaNow neither of these systems have a local DB as well.05:49
OpenMediaI also tried on a full front+back+DB install of mythbuntu but again no gui starts up.05:49
superm1OpenMedia, yea you won't be able to due to that mythstream issue05:49
superm1hold off until alpha4, things will clear up by then05:49
superm1and i can properly show you what it can do05:50
superm1sorry :)05:50
OpenMediaOk cool. any ETA on alpha4?05:50
OpenMediaNo worries I'm having fun splitting myPVR to support seperate front+backends05:50
OpenMediaPlus I've had 2 talks accepted at the Open Source Developers Conference in Brisbane ;)05:51
superm1well i want schedules direct support in it, so its not going to be until then05:51
superm1so at least a week05:51
OpenMediasuperm1: Don't they have the driver in fixes yet? Or do you need and xmltv update?05:51
superm1it is a bit more complex than that unfortunately05:52
superm1it needs a newer -fixes checkout05:52
OpenMediaYeah I know about that as I'm testing a newer -fixes build at the moment.05:52
superm1meaning that we have to do Stable Release Updates to a whole assortment of releases05:52
superm1so testing this across dapper, edgy, feisty, and gutsy05:52
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OpenMediaIt is an interesting double edged sword. Means an xmltv upgrade and other bits, but I means that our EPG grabber and be a real one rather than pretend to be the tv_grab_au version.05:53
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superm1xmltv upgrade too?05:53
OpenMediaFor us. Standard myPVR version doesn't support tv_find_grabbers05:53
OpenMediaNo issues when running on Mythbuntu05:54
superm1oh i see05:54
superm1laga, regarding pbuilder-gdebi -it really is quite a double edged sword.  it is blazing quick, but you can't use unsigned repositories.  so say goodbye to locally building mythplugins and mythtv combo06:06
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superm1keescook, i tested the schedules direct patched packages on feisty, gutsy and dapper.  all seem to work out well (doing a fully updated checkout)08:14
superm1this of course was using updated packaging that is in use in gutsy.  for the case of the SRU's i'd assume that the packaging that came with that release would be used08:16
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cornell_workMorning all01:32
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DaveMorrismorning02:24
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cornell_workDaveMorris, I've got the database working.  And the files in the right place ;-)02:56
cornell_workSo... the remote doesn't work, the sound doesn't work, and the video on the monitor is poor quality.02:57
cornell_workFirst, remote... I'm looking at: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Install_Lirc_Gutsy?highlight=%28lirc%29%7C%28mythtv%29%7C%28remote%2902:57
cornell_workThen, the video...  apt-get install nvidia-glx  (I think)02:57
DaveMorristhats a nasty list of things to work on02:57
cornell_workAnd for sound... well, more googling.02:57
DaveMorrishow is your video outputted?  It might just need the nvida stuff02:59
cornell_workAnd... it doesn't start into mythfrontend.  When I boot, I get a login screen.  When I login (oops, I'm logging in as me) I get a desktop, with start/stop backend and run mythfilldatabase, and something else, I forget.02:59
cornell_workWell, I've an nvidia card and I'm watching on the monitor, not a tv.02:59
DaveMorrisyeah the mythtuser should auto log in02:59
DaveMorrishow are you trying to output the sound?  Are you sure it's not muted03:00
cornell_workSo, next time, login as mythtv.  But then, when I reboot, will mythtv user auto login?  Or am I missing a setting?03:00
DaveMorrisyour missing something, might be since you didn't finish the install03:00
DaveMorristbh I'd leave it till the other things are solved03:01
cornell_workSound... cable from back of box to monitor.  Monitor sound is up full.  Don't know about about myth's sound volume (remote don't work, and I don't know the keyboard command)   Sound is last on my list ;-)03:01
DaveMorrisstereo cable?03:02
cornell_workWell, I did an install up to the setup.  Interrupted, fixed lvm and then continued with mythtv-setup.03:02
cornell_workStereo, yes03:02
DaveMorrisgrab a terminal and run alsamixer03:02
DaveMorrisalthough you prob at work looking at your handle03:03
cornell_workalsamixer!  that's right.  I'd had trouble when I installed knoppmyth, but I didn't make notes and don't remember.  And I think there's some settings re audio I need to make in myth, but I can't remember if that was settings for when I record, or settings for setting up audio.03:04
cornell_workYeah, work03:04
cornell_workThere was something I had to do command line, it might be alsamixer.03:04
DaveMorrisMy sound output is always muted when I 1st install Ubuntu on it since I use the digital out03:05
cornell_workbbiab03:06
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cornell_workBack...05:30
cornell_workI'll try the alsamixer, and nvidia-glx tonight05:30
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lagasuperm1:08:13
laga20:02 < gbee> Cardoe, j-rod, superm1, laga: It's a minor thing and not that important in the grand scheme, but it would be nice if packagers could either build off a checkout of the tagged version or manually edit version.pro so that the "SVN Branch" part of the --version output shows 0.20.208:13
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superm1laga, considering the timing of the 0.20.2 package, i think that building off of it as a tagged version will be more than feasible09:57
lagadidn't have time to look at the build system today, sorry09:58
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tgm4883is the pvr-150 blaster support already implemented in mythbuntu?11:07
superm1tgm4883, well the modules are built for it11:07
superm1but it needs the firmware dropped in place11:07
tgm4883ah11:07
superm1i dont have anyway to test it to make sure that it is well done11:07
tgm4883have you seen the 2 new blueprints11:07
superm1tgm4883, no not yet.11:08
superm1i've been trying to work out some details that are surrounding the 0.20.2 release11:09
superm1we have a few more things that need to be done for it11:09
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tgm4883one is for the pvr-150 blaster, and 1 is for a pad2keys patch11:10
tgm4883the 20.2 will have SD support?11:10
tgm4883Are you in the SD beta?11:10
superm1yes11:10
superm1and yes11:10
tgm4883sweet, any testing done on it?11:11
superm1yup11:11
superm1last night i did test builds for gutsy dapper and feisty11:11
tgm4883sounds like it went well ?11:11
superm1well i had one item to sort out with a channel that didn't broadcast its name or channel number properly on QAM-25611:11
superm1but that would have happened with zap2it as well11:11
tgm4883ah11:11
superm1otherwise, it was a smooth switchover11:11
tgm4883good to know11:12
tgm4883did you have the zip problem or is that isolated?11:12
superm1it's isolated from what i understand11:13
superm1my zip code worked perfectly11:13
tgm4883sweet11:13
tgm4883I wonder if it has to do with towns that have multiple zips, and not using the main zip11:13
superm1well don't most towns?11:13
tgm4883yea11:14
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superm1yea i was going to say here at school, we have 50010-5001511:14
tgm4883I haven't researched it at all yet, but what do you think about (if it exists) a irc plugin for drupal that connects to here?11:15
superm1that'd be pretty sweet11:15
superm1to put on the support page?11:16
superm1some java applet or the like11:16
tgm4883yep11:16
tgm4883yea11:16
superm1+1 from me if you can find one11:16
tgm4883i'll do some looking around.  Playing around with the theme right now at linux.weilandhomes.com11:16
superm1well that one you hvae right now looks pretty nice and basic11:18
superm1oh wait nvm11:18
superm1more loaded11:18
superm1that needs some clean up :)11:19
tgm4883yea, i need to resize the background pic (its almost 8 MB) and move the theme around11:20
tgm4883its a chameleon theme just messing around configuring it11:20
superm1the nice thing about having mythbuntu.weilandhomes.com too, if we want somewhere to experiment with themes11:22
superm1can easily do so there11:22
tgm4883yep11:23
tgm4883quick question superm1, is the rss icon in rss readers the same as the fav icon?11:25
superm1Hm.11:26
superm1i'm not sure on that11:26
tgm4883i only ask because the mythbuntu.org rss in my rss reader (liferea) is the standard orange one, not the mythbuntu icon11:26
OpenMediasuperm1: so have they tagged 0.20.2 then?11:26
tgm4883but its the mythbuntu icon in my bookmarks and the address bar11:27
superm1oh tgm4883 its a fav icon that should only show up in web browsers i think11:27
superm1OpenMedia, not yet.11:27
superm1OpenMedia, but i'm preparing the packages for some changes when they do11:27
tgm4883ah, we should have it do both, as my ubuntuforums and espn rss feeds have their own icons11:28
superm1tgm4883, do you know how to?11:28
tgm4883nope11:29
superm1what file name you need to give it?11:29
tgm4883but i'll look it up11:29
OpenMediasuperm1: aside from the SD stuff what else are you expecting from the 0.20.2 tag?11:31
superm1OpenMedia, that is the big thing for it11:31
superm1i'm not sure if there is anything big to look forward to in it11:32
superm1other than stability stuff of coruse11:32
superm1course11:32
OpenMediasuperm1: Same here. Rest is just the usual bug fixes.11:32
superm1but the SD stuff is big enough :)11:32
OpenMediaFor the US guys yeah.... Guess you all now understand the pain we feel in the rest of the world ;)11:34
superm1well not really, since we have no interruption in service :)11:34
OpenMediaOk.. show off..11:38
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tgm4883superm1, what do you use for RSS on mythbuntu.org12:07
superm1tgm4883, it's built into drupal12:08
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tgm4883superm1, can you place a copy of the favicon into the root dir12:53
superm1tgm4883, would a symlink do?12:53
tgm4883perhaps12:53
tgm4883try it and i'll let you know12:54
superm1favicon.png?12:54
superm1need to be the name?12:54
tgm4883favicon.ico12:54
superm1okay12:54
superm1it's there12:54
tgm4883sweet it works12:55
superm1cool, easy nough12:56
tgm4883yea, after much asking in forums and searching, i decided to visit the liferea site12:56
tgm4883and certain rss grabbers look for favicon.ico12:56
superm1ahh12:57
tgm4883but since mythbuntu.org's wasn't in the root it couldn't find it12:57
tgm4883there's no module for an IRC client for drupal.  There was one, but it looks dead12:57
superm1well perhaps if you can find one at at external site that is nice, and can just be linked to12:58
superm1like it takes an argument for what server to join12:58
superm1and what channel12:58
superm1so they can click that and it will automatically go12:58
tgm4883superm1, Ability to run CGI scripts using Perl 5.004 or greater?01:08
superm1on mythbuntu.org?01:08
tgm4883yea01:08
superm1should be able to01:08
tgm4883ok01:08
tgm4883first link i found01:09
tgm4883http://cgiirc.org/download/01:09
superm1we've got perl 5.8.701:09
tgm4883supposedly packed in ubuntu01:09
superm1tgm4883, you want to try it on your test server?01:10
superm1and see how it looks/works?01:10
tgm4883sure01:10
tgm4883thats what it's their for :)01:10

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