[02:40] <monteslu_> how do i reset the keyboard setup for all users to be a standard US keyboard?
[02:42] <monteslu_> my quotes currently look like this  instead of  " and I have to hit the key twice to get it.
[02:42] <wantok> um. shift+key?
[02:43] <monteslu_> no, the apostrophe is without shift+, but that broken too btw
[02:43] <monteslu_> notice the funny  ?
[02:44] <wantok> ah
[02:44] <wantok> hehe
[02:44] <wantok> do you know what keymap you have?
[02:45] <monteslu_> no idea, nor how to fix it.
[02:45] <wantok> i think its a per user setting.
[02:45] <monteslu_> im on edubuntu 7.04
[02:45] <monteslu_> I guess I chose wrong doing the initial server install
[02:45] <wantok> was there a keyboard setting during install?
[02:46] <monteslu_> it something system wide
[02:46] <monteslu_> yeah, it asked me to type in keys and it would guess which layout it had
[02:46] <monteslu_> bad move
[02:46] <monteslu_> I should have said no and just picked US
[02:47] <monteslu_> maybe it something in xorg
[02:47] <wantok> is this just a terminal thing, or system wide?
[02:49] <monteslu_> system wide
[02:50] <LaserJock> monteslu: what does env| grep LANG give you?
[02:50] <monteslu_> LANG=en_US.UTF-8
[02:53] <LaserJock> hmm, I know how to do it for an individual user
[02:53] <LaserJock> but I'm not sure how it's done system wide
[02:54] <monteslu_> it cool. Il work on it more tonight. bbl
[04:25] <sbalneav> Evening all
[04:25] <LaserJock> sbalneav!!
[04:26] <sbalneav> Hey LaserJock
[04:26] <LaserJock> sbalneav: I've been waiting for you, mwuahahaha
[04:26] <sbalneav> :)
[04:27] <LaserJock> ok, so crossover cable worked
[04:27] <LaserJock> but it can't find tftp
[04:27] <sbalneav> Excellent.
[04:27] <LaserJock> I get a timeout
[04:27] <sbalneav> ok, well, first things first.
[04:28] <sbalneav> What's your /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf file look like, and what's the ip address of your fixed interface?
[04:29] <LaserJock> ok, http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/34606/
[04:29] <LaserJock> and my eth0 is 192.168.0.1
[04:31] <sbalneav> ok, looks fine.
[04:31] <sbalneav> netstat -an | grep :69
[04:31] <LaserJock> udp        0      0 0.0.0.0:695             0.0.0.0:*
[04:31] <LaserJock> udp        0      0 0.0.0.0:69              0.0.0.0:*
[04:32] <sbalneav> ok
[04:32] <sbalneav> Can't find tftp. or can't find the FILE it needs via tftp?
[04:32] <sbalneav> sudo ltsp-update-kernels
[04:33] <LaserJock> so I get dhcp
[04:34] <LaserJock> TFTP ....
[04:34] <LaserJock> PXE-E32: TFTP open timeout
[04:34] <sbalneav> You running gutsy?
[04:34] <LaserJock> Feisty
[04:34] <sbalneav> hm
[04:34] <sbalneav> What's the client?
[04:34] <LaserJock> ClassmatePC
[04:35] <sbalneav> That's pretty standard.
[04:35] <sbalneav> got stuff in /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp?
[04:35] <LaserJock> in i386/ yeah
[04:36] <sbalneav> k
[04:36] <LaserJock> I see pxelinux.0
[04:36] <LaserJock> and kernel stuff
[04:36] <sbalneav> can you paste the result of ifconfig eth<whatever>
[04:37] <LaserJock> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/34610/
[04:37] <sbalneav> seems ok
[04:38] <sbalneav> just on the off chance something's amiss
[04:38] <sbalneav> invoke-rc.d openbsd-inetd restart
[04:39] <LaserJock> no help :(
[04:40] <LaserJock> is there anything special I need to do because I'm using Ubuntu and not Edubuntu?
[04:40] <sbalneav> No
[04:40] <sbalneav> dpkg -l | grep tftp
[04:40] <LaserJock> ii  tftpd-hpa                                  0.43-1ubuntu2                              HPA's tftp server
[04:40] <sbalneav> that's ok
[04:42] <sbalneav> lets do this.  Add the line:
[04:42] <sbalneav> next-server 192.168.0.1
[04:42] <LaserJock> in dhcpd.conf?
[04:42] <sbalneav> after the "option subnetmask"
[04:42] <sbalneav> in dhcpd.conf
[04:42] <sbalneav> then restart
[04:42] <sbalneav> invoke-rc.d dhcp3-server restart
[04:45] <LaserJock> nope :/
[04:46] <sbalneav> Wierd.
[04:47] <sbalneav> Humour me.
[04:47] <sbalneav> change the ip address of the fixed interface to 192.168.0.254
[04:47] <sbalneav> and remove the next-server line.
[04:47] <sbalneav> and restart dhcpd again
[04:48] <LaserJock> change the actual interface? not just in dhcpd.conf
[04:49] <sbalneav> yes
[04:49] <LaserJock> now, what about the gateway?
[04:49] <sbalneav> I'm wondering if something's hardcoded somewhere.
[04:49] <sbalneav> doesn't matter.
[04:49] <LaserJock> I wasn't sure what to do with the gateway
[04:50] <sbalneav> You're not going to be routing through anywhere.
[05:05] <LaserJock> trying
[05:05] <LaserJock> nope
[05:06] <LaserJock> sam thing
[05:06] <LaserJock> hmm, my other interface wouldn't be interfering would it?
[05:06] <sbalneav> what's the ip address of the other interface?
[05:06] <LaserJock> sbalneav: do you remember ogra having any problems with netbooting his Classmate?
[05:06] <sbalneav> No
[05:06] <sbalneav> and I've netbooted mine.
[05:06] <sbalneav> they should work fine.
[05:07] <LaserJock> my other interface is on 192.168.1.
[05:07] <sbalneav> If it's on .1, that should be fine.
[05:08] <sbalneav> anything in /var/log/daemon.log, or messages?
[05:10] <LaserJock> in messages ther's a lot of eth0: link down
[05:10] <LaserJock> eth0: link up
[05:10] <LaserJock> etc.
[05:10] <LaserJock> ohhhhhhhh!!!!
[05:10] <LaserJock> I'm an idiot!!!
[05:11] <LaserJock> I allow only 192.168.1.* in /etc/hosts.allow
[05:11] <sbalneav> ah
[05:11] <sbalneav> Well, nonstandard config, eh.
[05:11] <sbalneav> 20 raps on the knuckles for YOU! :)
[05:11] <LaserJock>  log/daemon.log was full of tftp saying connection refused
[05:11] <LaserJock> well, I've been broken into before, I've tried to tighten the ship
[05:12] <sbalneav> The great thing about Unix/Linux in geneal is, if there's something wrong, you can work through it/check in a log/SOMETHING, and find the answer.
[05:12] <sbalneav> On windows, you'dve just got a bluescreen, and that's that.
[05:13] <LaserJock> yep, exactly
[05:13] <LaserJock> daemon.log told me exactly what the problem was
[05:13] <sbalneav> Man, I've done a TON of updates today.
[05:13] <sbalneav> Fixed the security problem in ltspfs
[05:13] <sbalneav> simplified a ton of code.
[05:13] <sbalneav> cleaned up jetpipe some more
[05:14] <sbalneav> eliminated about 5 crufty files out of the tree
[05:14] <sbalneav> I is MOTORING.
[05:14] <sbalneav> just testing stuff now.
[05:16] <LaserJock> awesome
[05:18] <LaserJock> \o/ \o/ \o/
[05:18] <sbalneav> Woooooorkin?
[05:18] <LaserJock> it's .... alive!!!
[05:19] <sbalneav> Alive's always good.
[05:19] <sbalneav> Careful, once you get bitten by the thin client bug...
[05:19] <LaserJock> ldm!
[05:19] <sbalneav> That's the OLD ldm
[05:20] <sbalneav> Wait'll you see the NEW ldm
[05:21] <LaserJock> ok, now when go to a console
[05:21] <LaserJock> can I log in locally to the client
[05:22] <LaserJock> or is logging in on the server?
[05:33] <LaserJock> sbalneav: ^^
[05:34] <sbalneav> Which, a character console on the terminal?
[05:34] <sbalneav> alt-f1 you mean?
[05:34] <LaserJock> alt-f1
[05:35] <sbalneav> That would be on the client, and there's no logins defined there.
[05:35] <sbalneav> you'd have to set a root password in the chroot
[05:35] <sbalneav> chroot /opt/ltsp/i386
[05:35] <sbalneav> passwd
[05:35] <LaserJock> ah
[05:37] <LaserJock> well see if that works
[05:39] <LaserJock> sweet yeah
[07:33] <sbalneav> Man, what a night.
[07:33] <sbalneav> Heading to bed.
[07:33] <sbalneav> night
[08:01] <LaserJock> anybody know where ldm gets it xsession info?
[08:20] <LaserJock> hi highvoltage
[08:24] <jsgotangco> hi
[08:45] <highvoltage> hi LaserJock
[09:00] <highvoltage> RichEd-2: are you here at govtech? sabdfl and mdz are giving real nice talks
[09:02] <LaserJock> highvoltage: govtech?
[09:03] <highvoltage> LaserJock: yep
[09:03] <highvoltage> LaserJock: oh, right. govtech is an expo for technology in local government
[09:04] <highvoltage> people who decide things in government visit govtech and look at new technologies that government can use. there's a big open source awareness here this year.
[09:04] <LaserJock> cool
[09:05] <LaserJock> I wonder if they do anything like that here for state and local governments
[09:08] <zsh> highvoltage, hi, for which government is this govtech?
[09:09] <highvoltage> zsh: south african
[09:09] <RichEd> hello highvoltage
[09:10] <RichEd> hey LaserJock got your toy I see :)\
[09:10] <wantok> hi RichEd
[09:10] <highvoltage> hey RichEd
[09:10] <wantok> highvoltage, h
[09:10] <wantok> hi
[09:10] <zsh> hi
[09:10] <highvoltage> hi wantok
[09:10] <RichEd> mr goetz ... another nick change ?
[09:10] <RichEd> highvoltage: where is govtech happening ?
[09:10] <highvoltage> RichEd: CTICC
[09:11] <wantok> RichEd, only for a few days.
[09:11] <RichEd> highvoltage: is mdz here as well ? in cape town ?
[09:11] <highvoltage> RichEd: he is indeed, he's speeking in the Audi Auditorium atm
[09:11] <highvoltage> mark gave a keynote speech just before
[09:11] <RichEd> and did it go down well ?
[09:12] <LaserJock> RichEd: yes yes, I've showed it off to my boss and labmates
[09:12] <LaserJock> RichEd: they love the notetaking thingy
[09:12] <RichEd> LaserJock: and were they impressed with the device / price etc as a whole ?
[09:13] <LaserJock> well, "I can't type on this thing"
[09:13] <LaserJock> and some of the "Why wouldn't I just buy a real laptop"
[09:13] <RichEd> "the fatty finger syndrome ?"
[09:13] <LaserJock> but then I discussed the educational aspect
[09:13] <LaserJock> not as a personal laptop for professors ;-)
[09:14] <LaserJock> it's very light and has a long battery life
[09:14] <LaserJock> right now I basically can go all day on a charge
[09:14] <LaserJock> since I'm not doing a lot with it
[09:14] <LaserJock> I've been testing out the Windows install they're using
[09:15] <LaserJock> while trying to get my LTSP setup going so I can start working on putting Edubuntu on it
[09:15] <LaserJock> I don't think they're going to be able to do much with Windows until they get bigger drives
[09:15] <RichEd> LaserJock: you can get an image from oliver ...
[09:16] <LaserJock> doing much of anything cause it to run out of memory
[09:16] <LaserJock> then bad things start happening
[09:16] <LaserJock> they put MS Office 2003 on it (which surprised me) but I'm not sure how you'd use it for much
[09:16] <LaserJock> RichEd: yes, I need to
[09:17] <zsh> of which device are you speaking?
[09:18] <RichEd> zsh: the intel classmate PC
[09:18] <LaserJock> Intel ClassmatePC
[09:18] <LaserJock> it definitely seems speedy enough
[09:19] <zsh> and how is it compared to the olpc?
[09:20] <LaserJock> I don't have an olpc to specifically compare
[09:21] <LaserJock> but I imagine one of the big things is that the classmate runs a regular OS
[09:21] <LaserJock> so Windows XP, Madriva-derived, SUSE-derive, and Ubuntu/Edubuntu
[09:22] <zsh> I had the chance to try a olpc for 10 minutes
[09:24] <zsh> has the classmate a touchscreen?
[09:24] <LaserJock> no
[09:25] <LaserJock> at least not this version
[09:25] <LaserJock> it's a 7" 800x480 screen
[09:25] <LaserJock> Celeron M 900MHz processor
[09:25] <LaserJock> 2GB flash drive
[09:25] <LaserJock> 256MB RAM
[09:25] <LaserJock> intel graphics, raylink wireless
[09:28] <RichEd> http://www.classmatepc.com/ <- zsh
[09:28] <zsh> thx
[09:28] <LaserJock> on the app level I think the screen resolution is the killer
[09:29] <LaserJock> on Windows they've got a fairly nice app that somehow zooms/compresses the screen so 1024x768 fits
[09:29] <LaserJock> or something like that
[09:30] <zsh> "approximately 4 hours Usage" hmm
[09:31] <LaserJock> and it takes ~ 2hrs to charge back up
[09:48] <zsh> can I set a dummy audio device in pulseaudio?
[09:48] <zsh> because I have no audiodevice on my ltsp-server and flash crashes sometimes firefox
[09:49] <zsh> so I think a dummy audio device would solve the problem
[10:00] <pawan1234> hi
[10:00] <pawan> hi
[10:01] <pawan> how to install edubuntu
[10:01] <RichEd> pawan
[10:01] <pawan> yes
[10:01] <RichEd> just insert the CD and boot
[10:01] <pawan> cant it be used as a live cd
[10:01] <RichEd> decide if you want to dual boot (keep old partition) or complete install
[10:02] <RichEd> pawan ... you'll need to check that ... what CD version do you have
[10:02] <pawan> i have edubuntu 7.04 for pc and server
[10:03] <pawan> i have currently installed ubuntu windows xp and windows 2008 server on my pc
[10:03] <pawan> now i am going to install edubuntu
[10:06] <pawan> hello
[10:07] <pawan> what type of partition to use for edubuntu
[10:11] <zsh> pawan, what to you mean with "type"?
[10:11] <pawan> ext3 ext2
[10:11] <zsh> pawan, take ext3
[10:11] <pawan> how much space to allocate
[10:13] <zsh> pawan, for a default install?
[10:14] <pawan> yes
[10:15] <zsh> how much do you have?
[10:16] <pawan> 3.3 GB
[10:18] <zsh> want you use ltsp?
[10:18] <pawan> whats that
[10:18] <pawan> !itsp
[10:18] <zsh> the thinclient setup
[10:19] <pawan> ok
[10:19] <zsh> I guess not
[10:19] <zsh> 3.3 gb should be enough
[10:19] <zsh> for the default install
[10:19] <pawan> how much space to allocate for the root and swap
[10:20] <zsh> you can use your swap partition from ubuntu
[10:20] <pawan> is it
[10:21] <zsh> btw, if you have ubuntu, why to you want install edubuntu?
[10:21] <pawan> just to have a look at some new features
[10:21] <zsh> is your ubuntu also feisty?
[10:22] <pawan> yes feisty 7.04
[10:22] <zsh> you get the edubuntu feisty stuff with "sudo aptitude install edubuntu-desktop"
[10:23] <pawan> no need to install edubuntu
[10:24] <zsh> no
[10:25] <zsh> ohh
[10:25] <zsh> what have I done?
[11:12] <zsh> which app/script creates: .asoundrc.asoundconf?
[01:09] <zsh> how can I file a bug against flashplugin-nonfree?
[01:14] <ogra> zsh, whats your issue ?
[01:14] <ogra> (https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/flashplugin-nonfree/+filebug BTW)
[01:16] <zsh> I have on my feisty ltsp-server no soundcard and I watch a youtuby video
[01:16] <zsh> firefox crash at the end of the video
[01:17] <ogra> ouch
[01:17] <zsh> if I have:  pcm.!default { type null }
[01:17] <zsh> ctl.!default { type null }
[01:17] <ogra> unlikely we can do anything about that but file izt anyway
[01:17] <zsh> as asound.conf it don't crashed
[01:17] <ogra> its likely the plugin uitself thats crashing
[01:18] <zsh> I think so
[01:18] <zsh> but with this asoundrc I get "..to many files open on /dev/null" but firefox/flashplugin don't crashes
[01:19] <ogra> and if you need to set sound to the null device its likely the old bug that flash doesnt close its device sockets (which the libflashsupport package works around, but it doesnt fix the real issue)
[01:19] <zsh> hmm, it seems so
[01:19] <ogra> you have libflashsupport installed i assume ?
[01:19] <ogra> (the one from the FAQ page)
[01:20] <zsh> no
[01:20] <zsh> from which?
[01:20] <ogra> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EdubuntuFAQ
[01:21] <ogra> or ... https://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuFAQ as you like
[01:22] <zsh> wow, every week I find new edubuntu docs
[01:22] <ogra> yeah ... they are pretty badly organized
[01:22] <ogra> but there is work going on constantly, so eventually we'll have them all in the edubuntu handbook
[01:28] <zsh> ogra, this would be great
[01:34] <zsh> ogra, I only have to install this deb?
[01:36] <ogra> yes, on the server
[01:36] <ogra> it will add a layer that circumvents the bug in flash ...
[01:36] <ogra> but note that package isnt supported and not packaged very well either
[01:38] <zsh> ok
[01:38] <zsh> thx
[01:42] <zsh> ogra, and do you know if it is possible to add the nxclient-screen script?
[01:44] <ogra> i want to talk with Gadi before so we dont produce duplicated work ... i havent met him yet
[01:45] <zsh> who is gadi?
[01:48] <ogra> one guy from #ltsp who cares for the screen scripts ...
[01:48] <zsh> ok
[01:49] <zsh> we use the script, I told you
[01:49] <zsh> only 1 small bug so far, the nxclient starts a second time
[01:49] <zsh> so on login, you have to cancel the 2. nxclient
[01:50] <zsh> I don't know why I can't fix this
[01:52] <RichEd> [01:54] <zsh> RichEd, is the meeting open for everyone?
[01:54] <ogra> yes
[01:54] <RichEd> always :)
[01:54] <zsh> ok, I will listen
[02:26] <zsh> bye, I have to go
[02:26] <nosrednaekim> ogra: hey ogra, are you around?
[02:27] <ogra> nosrednaekim, in the edubuntu meeting in #ubuntu-meeting atm
[02:27] <nosrednaekim> ogra: ok.... when is that finished?I have to talk to you.
[02:28] <ogra> just talk then but dont ecxpect immediate answers :)
[02:30] <nosrednaekim> ogra: ah ok :) I asked riddell about his offer to mentor someone porting the Thin Client Manager to Qt, and he said to talk to you. Not neccesarily for mentorship, but for how it is coming along I guess.
[02:31] <ogra> ah, well, the code is a mess, i'm just starting to try to get it sorted so it works again in gutsy ... but pete did at least do a proper frontend/backend split so adding a QT gui instead of thin-client-manager-gnome shouldnt be problematic
[02:34] <nosrednaekim> ogra: So there are a lot of problems with the backend, but making a QT4 frontend shouldn't affect that?
[02:35] <ogra> well, lots of probs is to much ... it used to work and needs adjustments for the new ldm ...
[02:35] <ogra> the code is in very bad shape thats the prob ...
[02:35] <ogra> i'm missing the spare week to go through it and clean it up from the ground up
[02:36] <nosrednaekim> So would now be the best time to write a frontend, or should I wait till you have that spare week?
[02:37] <ogra> but if you use the communication layers the studentcontrolpanel.py module provides you should be fine for frontend stuff
[02:37] <ogra> well, you should wait until you see the next upload (saying that i fixed userlist polling)
[02:37] <nosrednaekim> ok, thats great.
[02:37] <ogra> without that being fixed you woont get the basic list of users to work with in your gui+
[02:43] <nosrednaekim> alrighty... I suppose I'll need a full thin client set up. To you have a tutorial handy?
[02:45] <nosrednaekim> ogra: ^^
[02:48] <ogra> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/LTSPQuickInstall
[02:48] <ogra> or use the edubuntu server Cd on a system with two NICs, it will set up everything automativcally
[02:49] <nosrednaekim> ogra: :( I don't have a system with two NICs. In fact, I don't have any computer that I could try it on if it requires a dedicated server.
[02:49] <ogra> it doesnt
[02:49] <ogra> its just esier than manually setting it up
[02:50] <nosrednaekim> ogra: looks like I'm manually setting it up. Thanks.
[03:05] <sbalneav> Morning all
[03:05] <RichEd> hi sbalneav :)
[03:06] <sbalneav> Hey there RichEd!
[03:08] <moquist> got a weird TC auth/session/login problem.
[03:08] <RichEd> hi moquist ...
[03:08] <moquist> I've got two servers (they belong to a client) and one allows TC logins, the other does not
[03:08] <moquist> RichEd: hey
[03:08] <moquist> RichEd: good news. we're going Edubuntu across the board. :) :) :) :-D
[03:08] <RichEd> ogra asked if you had any status answers on moodle for gutsy ?
[03:09] <RichEd> moquist: \o/
[03:09] <moquist> RichEd: mysql is going, need to add postgresql; I've heard from pitti on that and just need to sit down to figure it out/do it
[03:09] <moquist> I've got a package in REVU
[03:09] <moquist> (since the server came back up)
[03:09] <ogra> moquist, re-uploaded ?
[03:09] <moquist> I don't think anybody's REVUed it yet, though...
[03:09] <moquist> ogra: yes, re-uploaded (yesterday, once I realized REVU was back)
[03:10] <ogra> cool !
[03:10] <moquist> anyhow,  here are two LDM logs, where one works and one doesn't. if somebody could take a glance at it I'd appreciate any advice:
[03:10] <moquist> http://rafb.net/p/DwFFJD33.html
[03:10] <moquist> http://rafb.net/p/55RGWo71.html
[03:10] <moquist> I cranked the ldm ssh logging up with -vvv
[03:11] <moquist> the user(s) I'm testing work fine on the server
[03:12] <sbalneav> What happens on login?
[03:12] <moquist> /var/log/auth.log looks normal on both servers (i.e., pam_winbind fails ('cuz I'm not testing a Winders(TM) user) and then ssh auth succeeds)
[03:12] <moquist> sbalneav: can you be more specific?
[03:12] <ogra> teh only intresting log is ~/.xsession-errors
[03:13] <moquist> on the TC I see the spinning wheel and then X restarts
[03:13] <moquist> ogra: Oh... I'll grab that, then. :p
[03:13] <moquist> (in general)
[03:13] <sbalneav> Like, does the greeter come up at all, or do they log in and it restarts, etc.
[03:13] <ogra> well thats about the ssh probs ... usually you will have session probs oif one login works and the oither doesnt
[03:14] <moquist> sbalneav: ah. yep, the greeter looks fine, I enter un/pw, [the server auth.log shows that authentication succeeded, ldm.log on the client shows that we've sent the ssh command, ldm.log shows that the server has closed the connection] , then X restarts and I get a fresh greeter
[03:14] <moquist> ogra: right. makes sense.
[03:14] <sbalneav> yeah, it's something on the server side.
[03:15] <moquist> so the .xsession-errors file I want lives server side?
[03:15] <ogra> right
[03:15] <ogra> in the users home
[03:17] <moquist> No profile for user 'moquist' found
[03:17] <moquist> not sure that's the problem
[03:17] <moquist> I'll have to log back out of this TC to check
[03:17] <monteslu> moquist, that's what happened to me until I put the ssh keys from the second edubuntu server onto the server that the client was booting from... but it's probably something totally different :)
[03:18] <moquist> yeah, in my scenario I've stopped dhcp on the other server so I know the TC has the right host keys
[03:18] <monteslu> i did the same
[03:18] <monteslu> only one dhcp server, but two ldm servers
[03:18] <moquist> well, I meant during testing.
[03:18] <monteslu> oh, right
[03:18] <moquist> long term I'll have two dhcp servers
[03:19] <moquist> so we'll have to copy the ssh keys over
[03:19] <ogra> moquist, uninstall sabayon
[03:20] <ogra> or add the user to a profile, then it will work
[03:20] <ogra> thats bug 38410 btw
[03:26] <moquist> ogra: awesome. thanks.
[03:29] <highvoltage> heh, it's nice having Burgundavia here, he's doing all my work :)
[03:33] <ogra> highvoltage, so you are invaded bycanadian burgers ?
[03:33] <highvoltage> ogra: yes, although only one of them is here at the moment (the loud one)
[03:34] <highvoltage> (here being the govtech expo)
[03:34] <highvoltage> madpilot is trying to get a local pilot license so that he can fly here. canadians have way too much money :)
[03:40] <ogra> heh
[04:26] <Riddell> ogra: merging your seeds, do you want tangerine-icon-theme?
[04:27] <sonjag> I have edubuntu fiesty installed at a school, and would like to be able to play shockwave games on ltsp clients. Is this possible? I read on the restricted formats page that it's not supported. Any workaround?
[04:27] <ogra> Riddell, hmm, we dont use it, is that the new ubuntu default ?
[04:27] <ogra> sonjag, ask adobe to provide shockwave for linix :)
[04:28] <ogra> *linux
[04:28] <ogra> there is no linux version at all ...
[04:28] <sonjag> So they have flash but not shockwave? Bummer!
[04:29] <Riddell> ogra: dunno, you'd have to ask dholbach, I'll leave it out
[04:30] <ogra> Riddell, ok ... i assume it wouldnt do any harm beyond eating CD space ... we use gartoon anyway so its not important to have for edubuntu
[06:13] <LaserJock> ogra: ping
[06:14] <ogra> LaserJock, about to leave, whats up ?
[06:15] <LaserJock> ogra: I just wondered if you had an Edubuntu image for CMPC available
[06:15] <LaserJock> or could make one available somewhere for me
[06:15] <LaserJock> I got LTSP working and dd'd the existing WIndows
[08:15] <boyam> If I convert edubuntu to ubuntu CE are there any ltsp gotchas I need to be aware of....such as tftp being blocked once dansguardian is installed and running...is it pretty straight forward?
[08:18] <LaserJock> boyam: dansguardian is pretty tough to figure out sometimes from what I've seen on the forums
[08:18] <LaserJock> sometimes you get no network at all
[08:18] <LaserJock> but I suppose you could try it and see :-)
[08:19] <LaserJock> boyam: are you wanting dansguardian specifically?
[08:19] <boyam> LaserJock: ouch...no network defeats ltsp's purpose...
[08:20] <LaserJock> well, I'm not saying that's the way it always happens
[08:20] <LaserJock> but I've seen several cases where people lose their network after installing dansguardian
[08:20] <LaserJock> but I don't think there's an inherent reason why it shouldn't work
[08:21] <LaserJock> I'd think especially if you've got 2 nics and are separating LTSP network from outside internet
[08:24] <boyam> LaserJock, not exactly ...i saw ubuntu CE was out there so I didn't want to reinvent the wheel if it's already been done
[08:28] <LaserJock> boyam: well, I can't give a resounding endorsement of CE, but I think you can turn dansguardian off after installing it
[08:29] <boyam> LaserJock, I'll look into it and give it a go.....
[08:30] <boyam> thanks
[09:30] <LaserJock> wow. the Edubuntu meeting this morning was nice and short
[09:45] <jollis> I am having problems with the gnome settings daemon on login to the server
[09:45] <jollis> I have searched google an no good replies
[09:45] <jollis> Any thoughts?
[09:46] <sbalneav> jollis: What trouble are you having?
[09:46] <jollis> won't login, frozen
[09:47] <jollis> it also takes a long time to get to the error screen
[09:47] <sbalneav> This happening for all users, or just for one?
[09:48] <sbalneav> When the user is logged out, make sure there are no processes running as that user,
[09:48] <sbalneav> and rm -rf /tmp/gconfd-user
[09:48] <sbalneav> ie, my username is sbalneav, so rm -rf /tmp/gconfd-sbalneav
[09:48] <jollis> I will try another user, and your suggestions and get back with you
[09:53] <LaserJock> sbalneav: so, I got ltsp working great, was able to dd the existing Windows partition over to my laptop as a backup
[09:53] <sbalneav> Cool!
[09:54] <LaserJock> sbalneav: I logged in via ldm to see what all the LTSP hubbub is all about
[09:54] <LaserJock> it's quite amazing
[09:54] <LaserJock> only thing is that hit pegs my laptops CPU
[09:54] <LaserJock> and one time it overheated it and it shutdown
[09:54] <sbalneav> That's due to the ssh encryption of everything over the wire.
[09:54] <LaserJock> for just 1 client should it be *that* CPU intesive?
[09:55] <sbalneav> Shouldn't.  I'd check your laptop.  It'll be dust-clogged somehow.
[09:55] <sbalneav> I run 40 clients off of one server.  this one:
[09:55] <LaserJock> I've recently dusted it out
[09:56] <LaserJock> I does run hot, especially in this weather
[09:56] <LaserJock> but like literally, the CPU was pegged
[09:56] <LaserJock> from the moment I logged in to LDM
[09:56] <sbalneav> sputnik:  1.46
[09:56] <sbalneav> hm
[09:56] <sbalneav> odd.
[09:56] <LaserJock> I mean, it was worse than compiling from source or something like that
[09:57] <sbalneav> Got anything whacky animated on your desktop, or were you also logged in on the laptop as the same user?
[09:57] <LaserJock> I was logged in as the same user on the laptop
[09:57] <sbalneav> ahhh
[09:57] <sbalneav> yeah.
[09:57] <sbalneav> Gnome doesn't like more than one person logged in at a time.
[09:57] <sbalneav> A problem we need to get gnome to fix, exentually.
[09:59] <LaserJock> sbalneav: so that'll account for the CPU usage?
[10:00] <sbalneav> yeah, gconf gets all whacky, starts sucking air.
[10:00] <LaserJock> ok
[10:00] <LaserJock> I was going to create a separate user for it anyway, just thought I'd give it a go while I was there
[10:04] <LaserJock> sbalneav: I was actually surprised how fast bootup and login is
[10:04] <LaserJock> I was expecting a long wait from all horror stories you guys had at Sevilla ;-)
[10:04] <sbalneav> Well, there's kindof a line you cross at about 700 mhz
[10:05] <LaserJock> I can't imagine how fast the new ltsp is going to be
[10:05] <LaserJock> I see
[10:05] <sbalneav> if you're BELOW 700 mhz, things start getting exponentially slower everytime you drop 100 mhz
[10:05] <sbalneav> if you're above 700mhz, things don't get much faster, really.
[10:05] <LaserJock> what speed is the average TC on the market today?
[10:06] <sbalneav> The problem is: ltsp caters to a LOT of older slower hardware.
[10:06] <LaserJock> sure
[10:06] <sbalneav> Well, in the $300 range, it's about 650-700 megs, so they're ok
[10:08] <LaserJock> that's a pretty penny if you've got to do a whole lab
[10:08] <LaserJock> I suppose that's why you see a lot of PIIs and PIIIs used
[10:16] <sbalneav> Well, the box jammcq had was like a $100 box.
[10:16] <sbalneav> The problem with those is: they're like 250 mhz.
[10:16] <sbalneav> So they were painful.
[10:17] <LaserJock> heh, makes this CMPC look like a very cheap TC
[10:18] <sbalneav> But now, mine boots in under 90 seconds.  With ltsp 4.2, they booted in 42 seconds, but ltsp 4.2 was so finely tuned, and we'll never get quite that level of ability to tweak startup scripts in ltsp5.  But, in my view, 90 seconds isn't that long, and a perfectly acceptible wait.
[10:19] <sbalneav> Especially since, once it's booted, it's just as fast, performance wise, as ltsp4.2
[10:19] <LaserJock> sure
[11:07] <jollis> has anyone encountered a NFS over TCP not available issue?
[11:21] <LaserJock> ogra: I don't get how https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/edubuntu-meta/+bug/48402 is an Edubuntu bug?
[11:21] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 48402 in edubuntu-meta "Gnome WEP key hex entry '0' parsed to 'o'" [Medium,New] 
[11:21] <LaserJock> oh ubotu is in here
[11:25] <jollis> this issue occurs and stops clients from booting (NFS over TCP error)