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ScottK2Tonio_: Are you around?01:58
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ScottK2Hobbsee: is there anyone in particular paying attention about dolphin for kde3?03:51
HobbseeScottK2: Tonio_ i expect03:52
ScottK2OK.  I'll bug him next time I see him.03:52
ScottK2The fish protocol (for ssh connections) is a deeply bad idea IMO (bug already filed).03:53
Hobbseewhat about it?03:53
ScottK2To start, instead of just talking ssh to the other end, fish drops a little perl script on the far end and talks to that.03:57
ScottK2To continue, it makes lots of parallel connections instead of one steady one.03:57
ScottK2This particular issue makes fish not work across the iptables script I run on my servers.03:58
ScottK2The parallelism makes it possible to fork bomb the remote server (I did this one before I knew what fish was).03:58
ScottK2At least for talking to Ubuntu servers (and many other modern servers) it's just not needed.  Sftp works as soon as you install ssh-server.03:59
ScottK2Fish had it's day and it's really passed.03:59
ScottK2I'm sure whoever did Dolphin is a GUI/File Manager type person, not a network protocol person and probably didn't know.04:00
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Tm_Tuh, and hi Hobbsee04:01
ScottK2Tm_T: That's the thing to do, but I don't see how to do that with Dolphin.04:01
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ScottK2In Konqueror, it's no problem.04:01
Tm_TScottK2: what's that?04:01
Hobbseehi Tm_T04:02
Tm_Taaaa, now I remember, that GNOMEd Konqueror-clone04:02
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ScottK2Something like that.04:02
Tm_TI meant, err, simplified?04:02
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ScottK2I knew what you meant.04:02
ScottK2So anyway...  Fish has got to go, at least as the default and only choice.04:06
ryanakcawadda? hmm. isn't fish just plain old sftp?04:10
ScottK2No.  It's not.04:11
ScottK2Make a fish connection and then aftwards go look for a file called fish.pl on the distant end of the connection.04:11
ryanakcafish connection? I thought it ran over ssh.04:13
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ScottK2It does.  They both run over ssh, but do it different ways.04:13
ryanakcahey nixternal04:15
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ryanakcaummm... ermmm... Well... It was good when I thought of it.04:16
nixternalRiddell: rockin' getting that info on the tribe 5 page. I am moving it temporarily so I can apply the template I made and then copy over what you put in...groovy and thanks!04:17
ScottK2ryanakca: Caught up on the evils of fish now?04:23
ScottK2Bug #133957 could use confirmation.04:23
ryanakcaWhat I've found is 'It permits (among other things) ftp-like browsing over nothing more sophisticated than a generic SSH transport. So, no more dodgy sftp protocol that works practically nowhere, anyway. FISH will work against any sshd, period.04:23
ScottK2That's one theory.04:24
ScottK2I've never tried to sftp to a server that didn't support it.04:24
ScottK2I can't fish to my servers due to ssh rate limiting.04:24
ScottK2I have accidentally fork-bombed a server with fish.04:24
ScottK2And it installs and runs stuff on the remote server which I don't like either.04:25
ryanakcaconnecting to an sshd with fish installs stuff on the server?04:25
ScottK2So IME all the goodness of fish is entirely theoretical and all the problems entirely real.04:25
ryanakcaHmm. don't most sshd's support sftp nowadays?04:26
ryanakcaso, fish is basically obsolete. methinks04:27
ScottK2That's my view.04:27
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ScottK2Obsolete and technically inferior.04:27
ScottK2Hobbsee: Did ktnef get promoted to main while I wasn't looking?04:28
ScottK2Not that I mind, I really like it and it comes in handy all the time for me, but I was suprised to find I had libktnef1 installed on a default install.04:29
Hobbseeuh, no04:29
Hobbseeoh, wait, the lib did04:29
Hobbseei wonder if that was intentional04:29
ryanakcaI can confirm the fish in dolphin by default04:30
Hobbseeoh, hmmm.04:30
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ryanakcaAnd it opens it in konqueror instead of fish? odd04:30
ScottK2More Outlook compatilbility goodness.04:30
ScottK2ryanakca: Exactly very odd.04:30
HobbseeScottK2: shouldnt be hard, the source is already in main04:31
ryanakcaHmm. confirm and... would it be a security risk? installing things on a remote server, which could in turn be an ubuntu server? (goes on with an uneducated what-if game). If someone compromises the local fish .pl script that gets installed on the remote server, would that in turn compromise the remote server?04:32
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ScottK2Well it just runs with user priviledges, so it's not an actual official security issue, but not something I'm particularly confortable with.04:33
=== ryanakca nods. So what priority? medium?
ScottK2ryanakca: I'm not sure.  I'm torn between Medium, High, and Wishlist.  I can see arguments for all three.04:34
ryanakcawell, I would go high because it could cause a security type thing, and medium because it's not really that bad of an issue. hmm.. have you filed the 'open fish in konqueror' bug?04:36
ScottK2No.  That's not a bug.04:37
ryanakcaAh, dolphin doesn't have support built in?04:37
ScottK2The issue is Dolphin only lets you set up SSH connection icons using fish.  That's the bug.  Given that, using it in Konqueror is unfortunate, but correct.04:37
ScottK2Konqueror is only doing what it's told.04:38
ScottK2ryanakca: If you think High is not unreasonable, I'd say go ahead and set it.04:38
ScottK2It's just a File Manager.04:38
ScottK2That part actually makes sense given it's mission.04:39
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ryanakcaI'll stick it to high.04:39
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ryanakcaHmm. Why did we downgrade kontact container from 1.2.5 to Kontact: 1.2.4 (enterprise 0.20070508.662491)05:04
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Lurehi all06:11
Lurekontact crashing for anybody else?06:12
ScottKUsing Flash?06:18
ryanakcaLure: yeah, it has something to do with basket... see manchicken's bug06:42
ScottKRight.  Misread Kontact for Konqueror.06:43
Lureryanakca: ok, I thought it was just me06:43
ScottKYeah, manchicken's bug.06:43
ScottKMail on kubuntu-devel too.06:43
ryanakcawhy did we downgrade kontact?06:44
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neversfelde|mobiRiddell, kwwii: the poster is here. Thank you.09:51
neversfelde|mobiI'm going to send it back after froscon09:51
Riddellneversfelde|mobi: the other stuff is being sent to danimo from KDE, I don't know if it'll arrive in time but there's most larger posters and t-shirts09:52
neversfelde|mobiRiddell: I think the KDE booth is right next to kubuntu, so we will see danimo in any case.09:56
Riddellneversfelde|mobi: there's a shared talk too as far as I can make out09:57
Riddellneversfelde|mobi: you're probably best to send it to canonical afterwards if nobody wants to take it09:57
_StefanS_hi Tonio_09:58
neversfelde|mobiok, I will ask after froscon where to send it.09:58
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Tonio__StefanS_: yo10:00
_StefanS_this is kinda cool.. ibm has an internal ubuntu repository :O)10:01
_StefanS_they even use knetworkmanager ;)10:02
Tonio__StefanS_: any news concerning kdebluetooth segfault ?10:02
Tonio__StefanS_: no way to nicelly strce this for me....$10:02
_StefanS_Tonio_: I will try to figure it out.10:03
_StefanS_Tonio_: fix that fade in the meantime :D - your damn macbook.10:03
Tonio__StefanS_: still want to work on the fade now ?10:04
Tonio__StefanS_: it won't go to gutsy btw -> feature freeze ;)10:04
_StefanS_Tonio_: well, just kidding you actually.10:04
Tonio__StefanS_: hehe10:05
_StefanS_Tonio_: its your macbook's fault it didn't come in :D10:05
_StefanS_Tonio_: ah nevermind about it, I will look into that kdebluetooth thingy10:05
_StefanS_Tonio_: currently compiling it10:05
Tonio__StefanS_: hehe10:06
Tonio__StefanS_: just build from svn, same issue here10:06
_StefanS_Tonio_: what issue?10:07
_StefanS_Tonio_: segfault?10:07
_StefanS_uhm.. well. kinda odd we dont get anymore information out of it.10:09
_StefanS_at first I thought it was kcmshell that had a problem10:09
_StefanS_Tonio_: did you see that mail from Jucato?10:13
_StefanS_Tonio_: about kdmtheme in systemsettings10:14
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Tonio__StefanS_: am I in copy of it ?10:15
Tonio_didn't look at my mails today doing it now10:15
_StefanS_sent it to you now.10:15
_StefanS_I might be able to look into that aswell10:15
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_StefanS_Tonio_: kdmtheme is not in gutsy though..10:18
_StefanS_Tonio_: atleast not visible10:18
Tonio__StefanS_: I can see that and I remember the bug10:19
Tonio__StefanS_: having a look now10:19
_StefanS_Tonio_: oh ok.10:19
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Tonio__StefanS_: yeah I remember that kdmtheme issue10:25
Tonio__StefanS_: to mke it simple : install kdmtheme, search for it in systemsettings, no admin mode10:26
Tonio_works in kcontrol10:26
Tonio_I never have been able to figure out why10:26
_StefanS_ah yep, I see the problem10:26
_StefanS_will look at after kdebluetooth10:27
Tonio__StefanS_: I'm looking to it now too10:28
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Tonio__StefanS_: concerning kdmtheme, I really think the problem is within the lib included10:50
Tonio__StefanS_: that's not a .desktop issue btw10:50
_StefanS_Tonio_: within what lib?10:50
Tonio_this one10:51
_StefanS_Tonio_: how does e.g. Monitor & Display handle the Administrator thing?10:52
Tonio__StefanS_: looking10:52
Tonio__StefanS_: I use the fontinst thing as it is c++10:53
_StefanS_Tonio_: good, lets just grab that for kdmtheme10:53
Tonio_Riddell: ping ?10:54
RiddellTonio_: hi11:13
Tonio_Riddell: hey ;)11:13
Tonio_Riddell: wanted to ask you what to do for obexftp mir ?11:14
Tonio_Riddell: there is not much that can be done now....11:14
Riddelldid you get an answer from upstream?11:15
_StefanS_Tonio_: adding X-KDE-RootOnly=true in /usr/share/applications/kde/kdmtheme.desktop, and starting it with kcmshell manually works.11:16
Tonio__StefanS_: of course it'll work11:16
Tonio__StefanS_: but not in ystemsettings11:16
Tonio_that's the problem11:16
_StefanS_Tonio_: yes..11:16
_StefanS_Tonio_: I know :)11:16
Tonio_and I don't see any reason why11:17
_StefanS_wierd since it should get those info when the desktop was loaded. I will place some debug11:17
Tonio__StefanS_: I can't see much a difference comparing kdmtheme to the printer kcm for example11:19
_StefanS_nope  very odd.11:19
Tonio__StefanS_: the point is as is it coded to work in kcontrol, and it does, we can't really suspect a kdmtheme bug11:20
Tonio_btw, as it is the only kcm failing in kss, we can suspect the bug is in there11:20
Tonio_that's the problem : where is the bug ?11:20
_StefanS_bluetooth fails also11:20
Tonio_in systemsettings or kdmtheme11:20
_StefanS_gotta look into that as well11:20
Tonio__StefanS_: yeah it segfaults11:21
Tonio__StefanS_: I suspect the same issue that with btpaired, as they started to fail the same day11:21
Tonio__StefanS_: maybe fixing the first will fix the second11:21
_StefanS_I guess something systemsettings are not following kcontrol, thats for sure11:21
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RiddellTonio_: well done on getting obexftp approved, does anything else need compiling for it except kdebluetooth?12:05
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Tonio_Riddell: no it should build now12:07
Tonio_Riddell: we just have to wait12:07
Riddellwould be nice to get it into tribe12:08
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_StefanS_Tonio_: think i've found it for kdmtheme.12:21
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Tonio__StefanS_: ah ?12:21
Tonio_Riddell: shouldn't it be build automatically today ?12:21
_StefanS_Tonio_: yep the root check simply doesn't work for for12:21
_StefanS_if (d->currentModule->moduleInfo().needsRootPrivileges() &&12:21
_StefanS_!d->currentModule->rootMode() )12:21
_StefanS_argh sorry12:21
_StefanS_Tonio_: kcmultiwidget.cpp linje 39812:21
Tonio__StefanS_: looking12:21
_StefanS_Tonio_: the else catches the check.12:21
_StefanS_Tonio_: so i'm looking into needsRootPrivileges12:21
Tonio__StefanS_: well it should work partially, as you are prompted that admin root are needed btw12:21
Tonio_just that you don't have the button12:21
Tonio__StefanS_: btw how can that work on kcontrol then ?12:21
_StefanS_Tonio_: Is it the same code?12:21
_StefanS_(havent checked)12:21
Tonio_dopn't know12:21
Tonio__StefanS_: you're looking into the systemsettings code right ?12:22
Tonio_ah oki12:22
RiddellTonio_: yes, just depends on how quick soyuz is to notice that it can build12:22
_StefanS_Tonio_: hmm wait thats not where it checks for it.12:23
Tonio_Riddell: okay so lett's wait a bit :)12:23
Tonio__StefanS_: :(12:24
Riddellnixternal: kvkbd in main12:25
_StefanS_Tonio_: closer now ;)12:28
_StefanS_Tonio_: line 318 is actually where it registers capabilities for the modules.l12:29
_StefanS_Tonio_: kdmtheme doesnt get added with cm.adminmode=true.12:29
_StefanS_Tonio_: found it ;)12:31
Tonio__StefanS_: interesting :)12:32
Tonio__StefanS_: btw how does that work with kcontrol then ?12:32
Tonio_strange isn't it ?12:32
_StefanS_Tonio_: " !d->hasRootKCM" must be removed from the if statement12:32
_StefanS_Tonio_: well we have to check what is used to determing adminmode with in kcontrol12:32
Tonio__StefanS_: better fix systemsettings then ?12:34
Tonio__StefanS_: isn't that easier to just patch kdmtheme as it is the only known kcm that causes problems ?12:34
_StefanS_Tonio_: I'm comparing the adminmode thingy in kcontrol in a moment12:34
_StefanS_Tonio_: font installer still works with admin stuff btw.12:36
Tonio_yrah I noticed that12:38
_StefanS_Tonio_: uhm actually kcontrol just uses a needsRootPrivileges check and, uid != 0.12:38
_StefanS_Tonio_: donno why systemsettings do all those extra things.12:39
_StefanS_Tonio_: I suggest we just change that if statement.12:39
Tonio_Riddell: any opiniion ?12:43
Tonio__StefanS_: I would agree it is simpler to let systemsettings checking the same way kcontrol does12:44
Tonio__StefanS_: that makes sense12:44
_StefanS_yes, and since it seems like it wont break existing modules, its ok I think.12:44
_StefanS_I'm tracing that kcm_btpaired thingy.12:44
_StefanS_actually it look like dbus stuff...12:44
Tonio__StefanS_: don't wanna make the patch for systemsettings first ? so that we can commit svn and upload ;)12:45
_StefanS_oh well, I thought you just had it ready :)12:45
_StefanS_lemme fix.12:45
Tonio__StefanS_: I didn't no, as I understood your point, but writting this would take me a lot of time12:47
Tonio__StefanS_: is that just a matter of fixing the "if" test ?12:47
_StefanS_yep, debdiff coming your way soon.12:47
RiddellTonio_: seems sensible12:49
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_StefanS_Tonio_: debdiff heading your way....12:50
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_StefanS_Tonio_: hmm seems like we still have an issue with the input.service in kdebluetooth.01:03
Tonio__StefanS_: hum.....01:03
Tonio__StefanS_: strange as it ised to work afaicr01:04
_StefanS_Tonio_: guess something might still be missing. I will investigate more.01:04
Tonio__StefanS_: go to eat, brb01:04
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_StefanS_Tonio_: fix for kdebluetooth in your mail ;)01:15
\shRiddell, just saw it now while updating..why are kdepackages postfixed with ~feisty1?01:20
\shRiddell, (speaking of gutsy packages)01:20
Riddellthey shouldn't be01:23
Riddellwhich package?01:23
\shkonqueror: 4:3.5.7-0ubuntu1~feisty101:23
\shas an example01:23
\shI'll check after dist-upgrade the logfiles for more01:24
\shoh sorry01:24
\shmy fault...01:24
\shreplacing ~feisty1 with .../bla01:25
\shoh god I really need new glasses01:25
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\shRiddell, karm : trying to overwrite kaddressbookplugin.desktop which is also in package kontact ;)01:33
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aplg|nbwtf does karm ship kaddressbookplugin?01:39
Riddellno idea01:40
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\shaplg|nb, there were more messages like this...and stragewise ooofice just failed but looks like after apt-get -f install it works better *strange*01:43
aplg|nbso kdepim is br0ken and ooo always was :/01:44
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Tonio__StefanS_: well done for kdebluetooth01:54
Tonio__StefanS_: how on earth did you find that issue ? :)01:54
_StefanS_Tonio_: thank you, thank you very much (elvis style).01:55
Tonio__StefanS_: how did you find that one ?01:55
_StefanS_well, I just figured that the dbus path for bluez should be similar across the line. and IsTrusted() was the only thing happening there.01:55
_StefanS_I just thought that the lookup failed, and checked the other org.bluez.input.<module> paths.01:56
_StefanS_and right so, the "input" wasn't inside the on the one that failed.01:56
Tonio_neet :)01:57
_StefanS_well, yea. Lucky punch I guess.01:58
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nixternalRiddell: wow, kvkbd into main was easy :)02:03
_StefanS_Tonio_: any thing else causing problems?02:03
Riddellnixternal: apart from being blocked?02:03
nixternalthe block was an easy hurdle02:04
Tonio__StefanS_: not to what I know for now :)02:04
_StefanS_Tonio_: goody.02:04
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nosrednaekimRiddell: are you around?02:15
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nosrednaekimRiddell: you offered to mentor someone porting ltsp-kde-tools to Qt4.02:16
nosrednaekimRiddell: I'd like to try :)02:16
Riddellany paticular tool in mind?  there's ldm (c++) and the ltsp manager thing (python)02:16
Riddelland the ltsp config thing02:17
Riddellalso python02:17
nosrednaekimAll the python portions. I don't know c++.02:17
Riddellyou may actually be best talking to ogra in the first instance, he would know what the current state of the ltsp manager is02:18
Tonio_Riddell: you have upload rights on the all kde svn right ?02:18
RiddellTonio_: yes02:19
Tonio_Riddell: we might need to get our kdebluetooth patches uploaded02:19
Riddellnosrednaekim: thin-client-manager it's called02:19
Tonio_Riddell: would you do it or should I ping gollub for this ?02:19
RiddellTonio_: I thought kdebluetooth was quite active?02:19
Tonio_Riddell: some modules are02:19
Tonio_Riddell: some are broken for ages, and we have fixes for this02:20
Riddellgollub is upstream?02:20
Tonio_there is no real upstream, but he is quite active on it02:20
Tonio_several people are02:20
Tonio_I may ping them with the patche02:21
nosrednaekimRiddell: ok thanks! So should I send Ogra an email?02:21
Riddellnosrednaekim: yeah, good idea02:21
Riddellask if there's much development working happening on it of it it's a good time to do a port02:21
Riddellit should be a good time since we're in bug fixing mode only02:21
Riddellalso if there's someone who has been working on it who should be contacted02:22
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manchickenTonio_: What's goin' on man?02:34
nixternalmornin' manchicken02:35
manchickenHowdy nixternal :)02:35
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manchickenI was trying to set up networking in qemu last night on my machine and I think it might have broken something.02:36
nixternalooh, that silly bot must be broke :)02:37
nosrednaekimyeah... stupid bot is broken.02:37
nosrednaekimRiddell: ogra says that the code is a mess but a frontend shouldn't affect that. He says to wait until the next upload though because some integral part of it is broken ATM.02:38
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Riddellnosrednaekim: ok, I guess the thing to do would be to see fi you can set yourself up with a thin client setup02:40
nosrednaekimRiddell: like a thin client backend an a frontend?02:40
Riddellnosrednaekim: yes02:41
Riddelldo you have hardware that can do that?02:41
nosrednaekimRiddell: Ok, will do. That should be an adventure in and of itself :)02:42
Riddellthere's howto's on help.ubuntu.com02:42
Riddellogra can proably point you at the best one02:43
Tonio_hey manchicken ;)02:44
Tonio_manchicken: bah working on packages to fix bugs :)02:44
manchickenTook you long enough :)02:44
Tonio_kdebluetooth mostly fixed, waiting for thursday to upload02:44
manchickenI'll be testing it once my new machine shows up :)02:44
Tonio_hehe great ;)02:45
manchickenI've already decided that this big 17" monster is going to go back to edgy, and that my wife will be getting it.02:45
manchickenI got one of those 12" System76 machines on the way.02:45
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manchickenSystem76 folks seem very happy to answer all of my stupid questions.  Dell always transferred me to someone that barely spoke English.02:47
nixternaldid you get it yet?02:53
nixternalerr, nm02:53
nixternal"on the way"02:53
manchickenOn the way02:54
manchickenThe guy says their normal process is 8-10 days from order to delivery.02:54
nixternalit will be hard for me to move away from Compaq, but maybe next year I will be up for a new laptop and might go s7602:54
manchickenSo Tuesday would be the latest it should arrive.02:54
manchickenWell I'll be staying away from Dell after the experience I've had.02:54
nixternalheh, mom is having Dell issues...this is the 4th time her dell PSU has died...and the computer is around a year and a half old...so she told dell to stick their warranty, remove her from anything they have, and went and bought a psu as tiger direct yesterday :)02:55
ScottKFor desktops I've been rolling my own for a long time now.  For ~the same money you can get components with actual quality in them.02:56
nixternalI almost got my dad to switch after showing him that the dosbox emulator will run one of his special apps02:56
nosrednaekimRiddell: ok, thanks again. I'll set up a LTSP server and then get back to you.02:56
nixternalI have always rolled my own02:56
manchickenYes, rolling your own desktop makes sense.02:56
nosrednaekimScottK: yeah... far cheaper.. but unfortunately you can't do that for laptops.02:57
manchickenBut getting a S76 Koala just looks so much cooler.02:57
nixternalto bad you couldn't roll your own laptop for a decent price02:57
ScottKYes.  That's why I said desktops.02:57
manchickenIf I buy another desktop I'll be getting a Koala, if they still have those.02:57
nixternalyou can roll your own laptop...asus I know sells barebone laptops...well that really isn't rolling your own I guess02:57
nosrednaekimand that always turns out to be more expensive.02:58
nixternalmanchicken: the koala's are nice02:58
nixternalthat is the mac mini looking one right?02:58
manchickenYes, they are cute little beasts.02:58
manchickenthey only have 1GB RAM available though.02:58
nixternaldon't need more than 1gb I would hope02:58
manchickenI NEED 10GB!02:58
manchickenWhy?  I don't know.  JUST GIMME!02:58
manchickenThis lappy I'm buying has 2GB.02:59
manchickenAnd a dual-core 1.85GHz proc.02:59
manchickenI'll be teaching myself python on my trips back and forth to Chicago.02:59
nixternalthat should only be a couple of trips...so far the hardest thing I am having with python is to get it to start up my gui03:00
jjessei got 4 gigs for my laptop for work and dell limits it hardware wise somehow to only 3.25 (03:00
manchickenI'm going to have a hard time with the scoping, I just know it.03:00
nixternalman, back to class today...and I did all early classes this semester03:01
nixternalc++/stl, english comp, and adv. javascript/html/css just today03:02
ryanakcatwo weeks left for me... and I could live with another month03:02
nixternalya, me too03:02
manchickenThey have classes on that?03:02
nixternalI guess03:02
ryanakcaenglish comp?03:02
nixternalI needed 2 more credits to hit my 12 credit hours and that one was open, so I took it03:02
nixternalryanakca: writing class03:02
nixternalto make me a better writer, and a requirement if I ever decide to finish this degree03:03
manchickenSounds like me in college.03:03
manchickenI got a B in database theory because the teacher didn't like me correcting her, and because I did my final project in postgres rather than access.03:03
nixternalI really wanted to take another philosophy class, but the professor I really enjoy wasn't teaching any of the honors courses this semester, so I bailed out03:03
nixternalI just found out the teacher in my adv java class is a stickler for code formatting....I hope she tries to tell me to format it the way she does03:04
ryanakcanixternal: ah03:05
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Tonio_Riddell: want the systemsettings patch to commit svn ? package is ready on my own04:46
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_StefanS_Tonio_: hey.. the patch in kde-systemsettings didn't go in.04:47
_StefanS_Tonio_: still no change in kcmultiwidget.cpp, line 318.04:47
_StefanS_Tonio_: FYI04:47
RiddellTonio_: could do, although system settings for kde 3 isn't really developed any more since we have a kde 4 version04:49
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Tonio_Riddell: okay so let's just go with a patch to the tarball, no need to waste time on that04:51
Tonio_Riddell: yeah I knew concerning kss kde4? just I didn't knew if that meant no dev on the kde3 version :)04:51
Tonio__StefanS_: I didn't upload at the moment04:51
Tonio__StefanS_: that's a minor fix and we're frozen04:51
Tonio__StefanS_: I'll keep the package and will upload on thurdsay04:52
_StefanS_oh ok04:52
Tonio__StefanS_: same for kdebluetooth package04:52
_StefanS_Tonio_: oka.. found a bug in adept btw. A segfault04:52
Riddellwhy thursday?04:52
Tonio_isn't tribe5 supposed to come out on thursday ?04:52
Riddellthat's no reason to delay an upload04:53
Tonio_Riddell: "We have frozen the archive for Tribe 5, scheduled for Thursday"04:53
Tonio_hum oki, just that I usually do this04:53
Tonio_Riddell: no problem having the package in the queue then ?04:53
Tonio_let's go with upload :)04:53
Tonio_Riddell: btw for kdebluetooth we need a uvf exception....04:54
Tonio_Riddell: unless you can aprove directly, I don't know04:54
RiddellTonio_: I already said I could probably give a general exception if it's for updating the beta to something newer without new features04:55
Tonio_Riddell: yeah I know, but does that mean I have to write the initial request so that you can "officialize" this ?04:56
Tonio_Riddell: okay, I just uploaded kdebluetooth, you know what to do :)04:57
RiddellTonio_: no, just you have to tell me if that's what you would be updating04:57
Tonio_Riddell: great, so kdebluetooth-1.0~beta6~r702320 was uploaded, that's it :)04:58
Tonio_just bugfixes btw04:58
_StefanS_Tonio_, Riddell: I'm trying to figure out that segfault for adept, its related to commiting the package updates from repositories that are not reachable on the network. I discovered it while being of the corporate lan.04:58
_StefanS_what? :D05:00
_StefanS_wobble wibble wable.. must some english I dont understand05:00
Riddelladept shouldn't crash, that's one thing its very good at05:01
_StefanS_I agree.05:01
_StefanS_not really that perfect. But I didnt do anything bad to it, I think it just does a piss-poor job of handling errors :)05:01
_StefanS_uhm got a crash log now. I will check it later.05:05
_StefanS_Riddell: did that fix for doing dpkg-reconfigure -a go into adept?05:08
_StefanS_Riddell: for when it didn't finish the last time.05:08
Riddell_StefanS_: yes, should be one of manchicken's patches05:10
_StefanS_Riddell: uhm ok good.05:10
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manchickenLooks like there may be a fix to Basket that stops this crashing :)05:32
manchickenIs anybody working on updating our package?05:32
Riddellnot that I know of05:38
ryanakcamanchicken: where's the fix?05:40
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ScottKRiddell: Since it looks like you are reviewing on REVU, I'd like to commend the work of mok@bioxray.dk to you.  He's new to Ubuntu/Debian packaging, but a long time very knowlegeable KDE oriented person.05:43
ScottKhttp://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=22 and http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=3605:43
ScottKWith some encouragement and just a little experience I think he could be a good KDE oriented MOTU asset.05:44
manchickenIf you look on bug #133857 there's a mention of a commit in svn for baskets that fixes the problem.05:44
ryanakcamanchicken: ok05:46
Hobbseeoh did someone take ownership of basket again?05:47
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ryanakcaI thought it had been abandoned05:48
manchickenI love that program.05:49
manchickenI will *DIE* without baskets.05:50
manchickenIf only there were a viable scripting interface...05:50
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RiddellScottK: advocated 2206:01
Riddell36 seems to be waiting a response06:02
ScottK36 looks good.  I'm just building it now.06:02
ScottKRiddell: Do you want those comments on 22 cleaned up before I upload it for him?06:03
RiddellScottK: may as well06:03
Riddellthat package uses templates to an evil extent06:04
Riddelltypical end of line "...ctionary<int>, BTK::IO::Dictionary<int> > > > > > > > > > > > >] "06:04
Riddelleven adept doesn't use them that much06:05
ScottKRiddell: I advocated 36.06:12
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Riddellhi meduxa06:18
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Riddelldo you know how to get from north tenerief airport to costa adeje at 23:00?06:19
RiddellHobbsee: it's 40km away and we'll have luggage!06:20
HobbseeRiddell: and?06:20
meduxano no, it is 90 Km away06:21
HobbseeRiddell: be a good bit of exercise. :P06:21
Riddellsee, way too far06:21
meduxadon't worry06:21
meduxaI'll take you there06:21
Riddellyou will?06:21
meduxaif the organization cannot do it06:21
Riddellwon't you be on gran canaria?06:21
Riddellthis is a week before the conference06:21
meduxaI'll ask them them before you care comming06:22
meduxaI live in Tenerife06:22
meduxaR. dale lives in Gran Canaria06:22
Riddelloh, my mistake06:22
meduxaif it is one week before the conf. I'll take you there06:23
meduxaare you renting a car finally?06:23
Riddellwe're unsure06:24
meduxawhich hotel are staying in06:24
Riddellwould be another expense, and I'm a bad enough driver when I'm on the correct side of the road06:24
Hobbseemeduxa: that requires someone being able to drive it06:24
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Riddellesmeralda playa hotel06:24
meduxawhich day?06:25
Hobbseemeduxa: he'll drown before he drives far enough to try and run me over.  yay!06:25
Riddellsaturday september 8th06:25
meduxaas I said, I'll take you there, don't worry06:26
meduxaand I'll take you to visit the north part of the island wednesday or thursday06:27
Riddellok, great06:27
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RiddellHobbsee: you've never seen my driving!06:28
meduxaI can for sure06:28
HobbseeRiddell: i think i'm glad for that, by the sounds of it.06:28
meduxaRiddell do not drive on the right side of the road06:28
Hobbseeyes, drive on the left, like all good people.06:28
Riddellmeduxa: can people climb the big hill/mountain/volcano in the middle of tenerife?06:29
meduxaTeide....yes of course06:29
meduxanice ride06:29
meduxa3718 m06:30
meduxawell you get to 2200 by car06:30
meduxaand then take a "telesferico" (don't know how you say that in english06:30
Riddellski lift?06:32
meduxauntil 3400 - 3500 aprox06:32
meduxaand an hour walk until the end06:32
meduxayes sky lift06:32
meduxauntil the top06:32
meduxatake a Kubuntu flag and you'll take a great picture with the lunar view you have there (volcanic rocks and black sand all over)06:34
meduxaKubuntu riches the moon06:34
meduxanice for the web page06:34
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Riddellgood plan :)06:35
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Riddellryanakca: /msg sealne06:37
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ryanakca Riddell okies06:40
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Daskreech2Anyone saw Troy's request?06:54
Daskreech2Anythoughts about implementing it?06:58
jjessewhich request wqas that?06:58
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DaSkreechRegarding Kubuntu removing Konqueror Menus07:02
DaSkreechhe was requesting a saner way of doing it and having it pushed upstream07:02
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RiddellDaSkreech: we already do it the most sane way, if there's no need for an option it shouldn't be there07:31
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DaSkreechYeah I was trying to rationlize where the option would go07:31
Lucasg4 Algum do Brasil?07:32
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Riddellbah, no bot07:32
ubotuPor favor use #ubuntu-br ou #ubuntu-pt  para ajuda em portugus. Obrigado.07:32
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Riddelloh, groovy07:32
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Nightrose;-) jep07:41
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Nightroseaplg|nb: #12 was good07:42
Nightroseuse that one?07:42
RiddellCDs are up for testing http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/daily/20070822.1/07:46
aplg|nbNightrose: markey doesn't like the fade, I don't either07:46
Nightrosehmm k ;-)07:46
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RiddellLive CDs too http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/daily-live/20070822.1/08:05
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Riddellah, jjesse, just in time to test some CDs08:05
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LureRiddell: is kdebluetooth upgrade issue known?08:09
LureRiddell: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/34686/08:10
RiddellLure: nope, blame Tonio_08:12
Riddelland upload a fix if you can08:13
LureRiddell: apt-get install -f seems to fix it, so I do not know if we should be concerned08:13
LureRiddell: and I am on business trip in US, so no time for any real work08:13
LureRiddell: btw, kontact still crashes here on Summary page08:23
LureRiddell: and I have basket installed (so it might be the same problem as manchicken's)08:24
LureRiddell: no, it still crashes if I remove basket :-(08:24
Riddellit still should be fixed, poke Tonio_08:25
LureRiddell: ok, will ping him if I see him online08:26
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alleeLure: I doubt that libkbuetooth from 0.99 is API compatible with 1.0-* ;)  So we should kick upstream not Tonio_ :)08:44
Lureallee: it was just packaing complaint, did not test it yet08:47
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seeleRiddell: ping08:48
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Riddellhi seele08:48
seeleso i have some non-American english questions08:49
seelewhat is the difference between a git and a prat, and is there an american equivalent?08:49
Riddellhmm, truly a deep question08:49
jjesseRiddell: sure can tribe5 or whatever?08:49
Riddella git would me more deliberatly malitious, while a prat would just be annoyingly silly08:49
seeleso an ass and an idiot?08:50
nixternalI guess I am a prat then :)08:50
Riddellseele: that would match indeed08:50
Riddelljjesse: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/daily-live/20070822.1/ (or daily)08:51
seeleRiddell: ok.. one final question.. what does "wotcher" mean?  is it some kind of greeting?08:52
seele(you'd think i'm learning a foreign language here)08:52
Riddellseele: yes, it's a south of England informal greeting, popular in East Enders for example08:52
seeleon top of the accent, sometimes i think the germans are easier to understand ;)08:53
ScottKseele: You are.  :-)08:53
Riddellprobably comes from "what's up"08:53
jjesseRiddell: downlinad right now08:53
seeleok thanks.. i hope i wasn't distrubing anything too important for that ;)08:54
ScottKOpen Office works now.08:54
Riddelland of course the correct term for "non-American english" is British English (or International, or Commonwealth)08:55
RiddellScottK: yay08:55
seeleBritish English.. i always thing of redcoats when i see that, hah08:55
seelenever heard of it called commonwealth before tho08:56
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Riddellit's not very common09:00
manchickenRiddell: What about wrong English?  That's what we call it here :P09:09
manchicken"It's spelled COLOR"09:09
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Riddellcolor isn't remotely phoenetic09:10
manchickenSure it is..09:11
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manchickenryanakca: Does it matter?  They're both wrong :P09:12
manchickenryanakca: I think they stick a lot more French into their English since they're officially bilingual.09:12
jjesse_stupdi wireless :(09:12
manchicken(the Canadians that is)09:12
manchickenseele: Canadian :)09:13
ryanakcanono... Franglais ...09:14
ryanakca(french + english)09:14
seeleis French still considered the language of diplomacy?09:14
Riddelltogether with english (you probably have both on your passport)09:15
Riddellnixternal: fancy writing a story on the fridge pointing at the kubuntu parts of http://dot.kde.org/1187809926/ ?09:16
manchickenseele: That's just what the French want you to believe.  It's part of their massive plan to conquer the world.09:16
RiddellI seem to have had my privilages removed09:16
Riddelljings, an American suggesting the French want to conquer the world..09:17
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ScottKBoth seem to do fairly well at getting armies bogged down in distant lands to little apparent purpose.09:18
seelemanchicken: too bad Napolean thought it was a good idea to invade Russion in the middle of winter09:18
Riddellawooga, it booted09:19
manchickenseele: Yeah, but they've learned since then.  Now they just clothe themselves in Germans before invading.09:19
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nixternalRiddell: sure09:20
Riddellmanchicken: what's that a reference to?09:21
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manchickenRiddell: Does it really need to make sense?  I'd really prefer it if it didn't.09:22
Riddell"No bluetooth adaptor found"  Tonio_ poke poke I don't want to see that on startup09:22
nixternalI just got that error message09:22
Riddellhmm, restricted drivers still starts up09:23
kwwiieveryone knows that the mastermind behind all these "conquer the world" strategies is Scotland ;-)09:23
nixternalI thought the new OO.o was fixed09:23
Riddelloh wait, it's ment to start up :)09:24
Riddellkwwii: yes, we did such a great job colonising Panama09:24
ScottKnixternal: It's fixed here.09:26
RiddellOO works here, although the Copy toolbar icon is funky09:31
kwwiiRiddell: I always wondered why they named Nova Scotia such - was it the queens attempt at sucking up to09:32
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nixternalScottK: I was just being a prat :D09:35
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nixternalit works here to, and now my volume control works again, however it is very silent09:35
ScottKI did have to uninstall kdebluetooth to get the latest round of upgrades to complete.09:36
nixternalI think Tonio_ has hooked up with a bluetooth vendor, because now when I log in, my computer says it can't find a blue tooth adapter and that I should run to my local computer store and purchase one :)09:36
ScottKNo bluetooth no the box, so it doesn't hurt any.09:36
nixternalI just did an apt-get -f install to get the kdebluetooth to install09:36
ScottKI just removed it.09:36
nixternalI was going to go buy a cheapy usb bluetooth adapter, but I don't have anything to communicate with09:37
nixternalRiddell: posted!09:37
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nixternalanyone have info to add in the blanks, put something there so I know what to write about later :)09:40
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nosrednaekimoh..i've seen that :)10:07
manchickenThat's nice, eh?10:08
nosrednaekimever seen the one with Tux and the juice box saying "windows sucks best"?10:10
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nixternalthe best one is tux with a fly swatter going after the butterfly10:13
nixternalI always make that my wallpaper when I have to use a MS machine at school10:15
nosrednaekimthe one with tux and the bazooka with the smoked MS image on the hill is good too.10:16
Riddelldesktop CD seems to be broken, I'll make new ones in a few hours10:18
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Tonio_Riddell: yo11:12
Tonio_Riddell: absolytlu no change concerning the "no adapters found"11:13
Tonio_when did that change ?11:13
ScottKTonio_: Did you see the kubuntu-devel discussion about klamav from when you were gone?11:13
Tonio_not yet, I'm just back to the computer11:14
ScottKTonio_: Bottom line is that the locally compiled clamav didn't turn out to play as nicely with the packaged one as I thought, so I uploaded it with your patch intact.11:17
Tonio_ScottK: oki, great :-)11:18
Tonio_allee, Lure, Riddell: package is merged with debian, I didn't change anything to the splitting process, so there is the issue...... and the issue is annoying, I agree11:19
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ryanakcahmm. javascript error from akregator (web page links from blogs/feeds opened in a tab):11:26
ryanakcaCould not start process Unable to create io-slave: klauncher said: Unknown protocol 'javascript'.11:26
ryanakcaHappens with kde-apps 'close preview screenshot of app' type tab, and with the zoom on the items in ubutu/canonical store...11:27
Tonio_nixternal, Riddell: concerning the 'no bluetooth adapter found', as all my machines have embedded bluetooth, I missed that one :)11:32
Tonio_Riddell: I'll patch that toonight and will had a conflict between libkbluetooth and kdebluetooth < binary-version11:33
Tonio_that should fix the upgrade issue11:33
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carbonfreezeanyone having an issue passing vga= options to tribe4+ kernel? After doing dist-upgrade from 7.04 to 7.10, newer kernel just shows blank screen upon boot instead of verbose output. I have to remove vga= options to get a 640x480 fb.12:28
Riddell#ubuntu-kernel might know more12:28
carbonfreezeRiddell: thanks12:29
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