[01:58] <ScottK2> Tonio_: Are you around?
[03:51] <ScottK2> Hobbsee: is there anyone in particular paying attention about dolphin for kde3?
[03:52] <Hobbsee> ScottK2: Tonio_ i expect
[03:52] <ScottK2> OK.  I'll bug him next time I see him.
[03:53] <ScottK2> The fish protocol (for ssh connections) is a deeply bad idea IMO (bug already filed).
[03:53] <Hobbsee> what about it?
[03:57] <ScottK2> To start, instead of just talking ssh to the other end, fish drops a little perl script on the far end and talks to that.
[03:57] <ScottK2> To continue, it makes lots of parallel connections instead of one steady one.
[03:58] <ScottK2> This particular issue makes fish not work across the iptables script I run on my servers.
[03:58] <ScottK2> The parallelism makes it possible to fork bomb the remote server (I did this one before I knew what fish was).
[03:59] <Hobbsee> nice
[03:59] <ScottK2> At least for talking to Ubuntu servers (and many other modern servers) it's just not needed.  Sftp works as soon as you install ssh-server.
[03:59] <ScottK2> Fish had it's day and it's really passed.
[04:00] <ScottK2> I'm sure whoever did Dolphin is a GUI/File Manager type person, not a network protocol person and probably didn't know.
[04:01] <Tm_T> uh, and hi Hobbsee
[04:01] <ScottK2> Tm_T: That's the thing to do, but I don't see how to do that with Dolphin.
[04:01] <ScottK2> In Konqueror, it's no problem.
[04:01] <Tm_T> ScottK2: what's that?
[04:02] <Hobbsee> hi Tm_T
[04:02] <Tm_T> aaaa, now I remember, that GNOMEd Konqueror-clone
[04:02] <ScottK2> Something like that.
[04:02] <Tm_T> I meant, err, simplified?
[04:02] <ScottK2> I knew what you meant.
[04:02] <Tm_T> haha
[04:06] <ScottK2> So anyway...  Fish has got to go, at least as the default and only choice.
[04:10] <ryanakca> wadda? hmm. isn't fish just plain old sftp?
[04:11] <ScottK2> No.  It's not.
[04:11] <ryanakca> hmm.
[04:11] <ScottK2> Make a fish connection and then aftwards go look for a file called fish.pl on the distant end of the connection.
[04:13] <ryanakca> fish connection? I thought it ran over ssh.
[04:13] <ScottK2> It does.  They both run over ssh, but do it different ways.
[04:14] <ryanakca> Ah
[04:14] <nixternal> howdy!
[04:15] <ScottK2> Howdy.
[04:15] <ryanakca> hey nixternal
[04:15] <nixternal> hiya
[04:16] <ryanakca> ummm... ermmm... Well... It was good when I thought of it.
[04:17] <nixternal> Riddell: rockin' getting that info on the tribe 5 page. I am moving it temporarily so I can apply the template I made and then copy over what you put in...groovy and thanks!
[04:23] <ScottK2> ryanakca: Caught up on the evils of fish now?
[04:23] <ryanakca> kinda
[04:23] <ScottK2> Bug #133957 could use confirmation.
[04:23] <ryanakca> What I've found is 'It permits (among other things) ftp-like browsing over nothing more sophisticated than a generic SSH transport. So, no more dodgy sftp protocol that works practically nowhere, anyway. FISH will work against any sshd, period.
[04:24] <ScottK2> That's one theory.
[04:24] <ScottK2> I've never tried to sftp to a server that didn't support it.
[04:24] <ScottK2> I can't fish to my servers due to ssh rate limiting.
[04:24] <ScottK2> I have accidentally fork-bombed a server with fish.
[04:25] <ScottK2> And it installs and runs stuff on the remote server which I don't like either.
[04:25] <ryanakca> connecting to an sshd with fish installs stuff on the server?
[04:25] <ScottK2> So IME all the goodness of fish is entirely theoretical and all the problems entirely real.
[04:26] <ryanakca> Hmm. don't most sshd's support sftp nowadays?
[04:27] <ScottK2> Yes.
[04:27] <ryanakca> so, fish is basically obsolete. methinks
[04:27] <ScottK2> That's my view.
[04:27] <ScottK2> Obsolete and technically inferior.
[04:27] <ScottK2> Cool.
[04:28] <ScottK2> Hobbsee: Did ktnef get promoted to main while I wasn't looking?
[04:29] <ScottK2> Not that I mind, I really like it and it comes in handy all the time for me, but I was suprised to find I had libktnef1 installed on a default install.
[04:29] <Hobbsee> uh, no
[04:29] <Hobbsee> oh, wait, the lib did
[04:29] <Hobbsee> i wonder if that was intentional
[04:30] <ryanakca> I can confirm the fish in dolphin by default
[04:30] <Hobbsee> oh, hmmm.
[04:30] <ryanakca> And it opens it in konqueror instead of fish? odd
[04:30] <ScottK2> More Outlook compatilbility goodness.
[04:30] <ScottK2> ryanakca: Exactly very odd.
[04:31] <Hobbsee> ScottK2: shouldnt be hard, the source is already in main
[04:32] <ScottK2> Yep.
[04:32] <ryanakca> Hmm. confirm and... would it be a security risk? installing things on a remote server, which could in turn be an ubuntu server? (goes on with an uneducated what-if game). If someone compromises the local fish .pl script that gets installed on the remote server, would that in turn compromise the remote server?
[04:33] <ScottK2> Well it just runs with user priviledges, so it's not an actual official security issue, but not something I'm particularly confortable with.
[04:34] <ScottK2> ryanakca: I'm not sure.  I'm torn between Medium, High, and Wishlist.  I can see arguments for all three.
[04:36] <ryanakca> well, I would go high because it could cause a security type thing, and medium because it's not really that bad of an issue. hmm.. have you filed the 'open fish in konqueror' bug?
[04:37] <ScottK2> No.  That's not a bug.
[04:37] <ryanakca> Ah, dolphin doesn't have support built in?
[04:37] <ScottK2> The issue is Dolphin only lets you set up SSH connection icons using fish.  That's the bug.  Given that, using it in Konqueror is unfortunate, but correct.
[04:38] <ryanakca> ok
[04:38] <ScottK2> Konqueror is only doing what it's told.
[04:38] <ScottK2> ryanakca: If you think High is not unreasonable, I'd say go ahead and set it.
[04:38] <ScottK2> It's just a File Manager.
[04:39] <ScottK2> That part actually makes sense given it's mission.
[04:39] <ryanakca> I'll stick it to high.
[05:04] <ryanakca> Hmm. Why did we downgrade kontact container from 1.2.5 to Kontact: 1.2.4 (enterprise 0.20070508.662491)
[06:11] <Lure> hi all
[06:12] <Lure> kontact crashing for anybody else?
[06:18] <ScottK> Using Flash?
[06:42] <ryanakca> Lure: yeah, it has something to do with basket... see manchicken's bug
[06:43] <ScottK> Right.  Misread Kontact for Konqueror.
[06:43] <Lure> ryanakca: ok, I thought it was just me
[06:43] <ScottK> Yeah, manchicken's bug.
[06:43] <ScottK> Mail on kubuntu-devel too.
[06:43] <ryanakca> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdepim/+bug/133857
[06:44] <ryanakca> why did we downgrade kontact?
[09:43] <Tonio_> hi
[09:51] <neversfelde|mobi> Riddell, kwwii: the poster is here. Thank you.
[09:51] <neversfelde|mobi> I'm going to send it back after froscon
[09:52] <Riddell> neversfelde|mobi: the other stuff is being sent to danimo from KDE, I don't know if it'll arrive in time but there's most larger posters and t-shirts
[09:56] <neversfelde|mobi> Riddell: I think the KDE booth is right next to kubuntu, so we will see danimo in any case.
[09:57] <Riddell> neversfelde|mobi: there's a shared talk too as far as I can make out
[09:57] <Riddell> neversfelde|mobi: you're probably best to send it to canonical afterwards if nobody wants to take it
[09:58] <_StefanS_> hi Tonio_
[09:58] <neversfelde|mobi> ok, I will ask after froscon where to send it.
[10:00] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: yo
[10:01] <_StefanS_> this is kinda cool.. ibm has an internal ubuntu repository :O)
[10:02] <_StefanS_> they even use knetworkmanager ;)
[10:02] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: any news concerning kdebluetooth segfault ?
[10:02] <_StefanS_> nopes
[10:02] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: no way to nicelly strce this for me....$
[10:03] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: I will try to figure it out.
[10:03] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: fix that fade in the meantime :D - your damn macbook.
[10:04] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: still want to work on the fade now ?
[10:04] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: it won't go to gutsy btw -> feature freeze ;)
[10:04] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: well, just kidding you actually.
[10:05] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: hehe
[10:05] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: its your macbook's fault it didn't come in :D
[10:05] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: ah nevermind about it, I will look into that kdebluetooth thingy
[10:05] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: currently compiling it
[10:05] <_StefanS_> (again)
[10:06] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: hehe
[10:06] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: just build from svn, same issue here
[10:07] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: what issue?
[10:07] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: segfault?
[10:07] <Tonio_> yup
[10:09] <_StefanS_> uhm.. well. kinda odd we dont get anymore information out of it.
[10:09] <_StefanS_> at first I thought it was kcmshell that had a problem
[10:13] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: did you see that mail from Jucato?
[10:14] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: about kdmtheme in systemsettings
[10:15] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: am I in copy of it ?
[10:15] <Tonio_> didn't look at my mails today doing it now
[10:15] <_StefanS_> sent it to you now.
[10:15] <_StefanS_> I might be able to look into that aswell
[10:17] <Tonio_> oki
[10:18] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: kdmtheme is not in gutsy though..
[10:18] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: atleast not visible
[10:19] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: I can see that and I remember the bug
[10:19] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: having a look now
[10:19] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: oh ok.
[10:25] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: yeah I remember that kdmtheme issue
[10:26] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: to mke it simple : install kdmtheme, search for it in systemsettings, no admin mode
[10:26] <Tonio_> works in kcontrol
[10:26] <Tonio_> I never have been able to figure out why
[10:26] <_StefanS_> ah yep, I see the problem
[10:27] <_StefanS_> will look at after kdebluetooth
[10:28] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: I'm looking to it now too
[10:30] <_StefanS_> ok
[10:49] <_StefanS_> .
[10:50] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: concerning kdmtheme, I really think the problem is within the lib included
[10:50] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: that's not a .desktop issue btw
[10:50] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: within what lib?
[10:51] <Tonio_> X-KDE-Library=kdmtheme
[10:51] <Tonio_> this one
[10:52] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: how does e.g. Monitor & Display handle the Administrator thing?
[10:52] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: looking
[10:53] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: I use the fontinst thing as it is c++
[10:53] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: good, lets just grab that for kdmtheme
[10:54] <Tonio_> Riddell: ping ?
[11:13] <Riddell> Tonio_: hi
[11:13] <Tonio_> Riddell: hey ;)
[11:14] <Tonio_> Riddell: wanted to ask you what to do for obexftp mir ?
[11:14] <Tonio_> Riddell: there is not much that can be done now....
[11:15] <Riddell> did you get an answer from upstream?
[11:16] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: adding X-KDE-RootOnly=true in /usr/share/applications/kde/kdmtheme.desktop, and starting it with kcmshell manually works.
[11:16] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: of course it'll work
[11:16] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: but not in ystemsettings
[11:16] <Tonio_> that's the problem
[11:16] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: yes..
[11:16] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: I know :)
[11:17] <Tonio_> and I don't see any reason why
[11:17] <_StefanS_> wierd since it should get those info when the desktop was loaded. I will place some debug
[11:19] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: I can't see much a difference comparing kdmtheme to the printer kcm for example
[11:19] <_StefanS_> nope  very odd.
[11:20] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: the point is as is it coded to work in kcontrol, and it does, we can't really suspect a kdmtheme bug
[11:20] <Tonio_> btw, as it is the only kcm failing in kss, we can suspect the bug is in there
[11:20] <Tonio_> that's the problem : where is the bug ?
[11:20] <_StefanS_> bluetooth fails also
[11:20] <Tonio_> in systemsettings or kdmtheme
[11:20] <_StefanS_> kcm_btpaired
[11:20] <_StefanS_> gotta look into that as well
[11:21] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: yeah it segfaults
[11:21] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: I suspect the same issue that with btpaired, as they started to fail the same day
[11:21] <_StefanS_> probably
[11:21] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: maybe fixing the first will fix the second
[11:21] <_StefanS_> I guess something systemsettings are not following kcontrol, thats for sure
[12:05] <Riddell> Tonio_: well done on getting obexftp approved, does anything else need compiling for it except kdebluetooth?
[12:07] <Tonio_> Riddell: no it should build now
[12:07] <Tonio_> Riddell: we just have to wait
[12:08] <Riddell> would be nice to get it into tribe
[12:21] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: think i've found it for kdmtheme.
[12:21] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: ah ?
[12:21] <Tonio_> Riddell: shouldn't it be build automatically today ?
[12:21] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: yep the root check simply doesn't work for for
[12:21] <_StefanS_> if (d->currentModule->moduleInfo().needsRootPrivileges() &&
[12:21] <_StefanS_> 			!d->currentModule->rootMode() )
[12:21] <_StefanS_> argh sorry
[12:21] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: kcmultiwidget.cpp linje 398
[12:21] <_StefanS_> linje/line
[12:21] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: looking
[12:21] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: the else catches the check.
[12:21] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: so i'm looking into needsRootPrivileges
[12:21] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: well it should work partially, as you are prompted that admin root are needed btw
[12:21] <Tonio_> just that you don't have the button
[12:21] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: btw how can that work on kcontrol then ?
[12:21] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: Is it the same code?
[12:21] <_StefanS_> (havent checked)
[12:21] <Tonio_> dopn't know
[12:22] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: you're looking into the systemsettings code right ?
[12:22] <_StefanS_> yep
[12:22] <Tonio_> ah oki
[12:22] <Riddell> Tonio_: yes, just depends on how quick soyuz is to notice that it can build
[12:23] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: hmm wait thats not where it checks for it.
[12:23] <Tonio_> Riddell: okay so lett's wait a bit :)
[12:24] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: :(
[12:25] <Riddell> nixternal: kvkbd in main
[12:28] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: closer now ;)
[12:29] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: line 318 is actually where it registers capabilities for the modules.l
[12:29] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: kdmtheme doesnt get added with cm.adminmode=true.
[12:31] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: found it ;)
[12:32] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: interesting :)
[12:32] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: btw how does that work with kcontrol then ?
[12:32] <Tonio_> strange isn't it ?
[12:32] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: " !d->hasRootKCM" must be removed from the if statement
[12:32] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: well we have to check what is used to determing adminmode with in kcontrol
[12:34] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: better fix systemsettings then ?
[12:34] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: isn't that easier to just patch kdmtheme as it is the only known kcm that causes problems ?
[12:34] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: I'm comparing the adminmode thingy in kcontrol in a moment
[12:35] <Tonio_> k
[12:36] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: font installer still works with admin stuff btw.
[12:38] <Tonio_> yrah I noticed that
[12:38] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: uhm actually kcontrol just uses a needsRootPrivileges check and, uid != 0.
[12:39] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: donno why systemsettings do all those extra things.
[12:39] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: I suggest we just change that if statement.
[12:43] <Tonio_> Riddell: any opiniion ?
[12:44] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: I would agree it is simpler to let systemsettings checking the same way kcontrol does
[12:44] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: that makes sense
[12:44] <_StefanS_> yes, and since it seems like it wont break existing modules, its ok I think.
[12:44] <_StefanS_> I'm tracing that kcm_btpaired thingy.
[12:44] <_StefanS_> actually it look like dbus stuff...
[12:45] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: don't wanna make the patch for systemsettings first ? so that we can commit svn and upload ;)
[12:45] <_StefanS_> oh well, I thought you just had it ready :)
[12:45] <_StefanS_> lemme fix.
[12:47] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: I didn't no, as I understood your point, but writting this would take me a lot of time
[12:47] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: is that just a matter of fixing the "if" test ?
[12:47] <_StefanS_> yep, debdiff coming your way soon.
[12:47] <_StefanS_> yes.
[12:49] <Riddell> Tonio_: seems sensible
[12:50] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: debdiff heading your way....
[12:51] <Tonio_> super
[01:03] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: hmm seems like we still have an issue with the input.service in kdebluetooth.
[01:03] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: hum.....
[01:04] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: strange as it ised to work afaicr
[01:04] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: guess something might still be missing. I will investigate more.
[01:04] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: go to eat, brb
[01:04] <_StefanS_> oka
[01:15] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: fix for kdebluetooth in your mail ;)
[01:20] <\sh> Riddell, just saw it now while updating..why are kdepackages postfixed with ~feisty1?
[01:20] <\sh> Riddell, (speaking of gutsy packages)
[01:23] <Riddell> they shouldn't be
[01:23] <Riddell> which package?
[01:23] <\sh> konqueror: 4:3.5.7-0ubuntu1~feisty1
[01:23] <\sh> as an example
[01:24] <\sh> I'll check after dist-upgrade the logfiles for more
[01:24] <\sh> oh sorry
[01:24] <\sh> my fault...
[01:25] <\sh> replacing ~feisty1 with .../bla
[01:25] <\sh> oh god I really need new glasses
[01:33] <\sh> Riddell, karm : trying to overwrite kaddressbookplugin.desktop which is also in package kontact ;)
[01:39] <aplg|nb> Oo
[01:39] <aplg|nb> wtf does karm ship kaddressbookplugin?
[01:40] <Riddell> no idea
[01:43] <\sh> aplg|nb, there were more messages like this...and stragewise ooofice just failed but looks like after apt-get -f install it works better *strange*
[01:44] <aplg|nb> so kdepim is br0ken and ooo always was :/
[01:54] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: well done for kdebluetooth
[01:54] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: how on earth did you find that issue ? :)
[01:55] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: thank you, thank you very much (elvis style).
[01:55] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: how did you find that one ?
[01:55] <_StefanS_> well, I just figured that the dbus path for bluez should be similar across the line. and IsTrusted() was the only thing happening there.
[01:56] <_StefanS_> I just thought that the lookup failed, and checked the other org.bluez.input.<module> paths.
[01:56] <_StefanS_> and right so, the "input" wasn't inside the on the one that failed.
[01:57] <Tonio_> neet :)
[01:58] <_StefanS_> well, yea. Lucky punch I guess.
[02:03] <nixternal> Riddell: wow, kvkbd into main was easy :)
[02:03] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: any thing else causing problems?
[02:03] <Riddell> nixternal: apart from being blocked?
[02:04] <nixternal> sure
[02:04] <nixternal> haha
[02:04] <nixternal> the block was an easy hurdle
[02:04] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: not to what I know for now :)
[02:04] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: goody.
[02:15] <nosrednaekim> Riddell: are you around?
[02:15] <Riddell> yes
[02:16] <nosrednaekim> Riddell: you offered to mentor someone porting ltsp-kde-tools to Qt4.
[02:16] <nosrednaekim> Riddell: I'd like to try :)
[02:16] <Riddell> any paticular tool in mind?  there's ldm (c++) and the ltsp manager thing (python)
[02:17] <Riddell> and the ltsp config thing
[02:17] <Riddell> also python
[02:17] <nosrednaekim> All the python portions. I don't know c++.
[02:18] <Riddell> you may actually be best talking to ogra in the first instance, he would know what the current state of the ltsp manager is
[02:18] <Tonio_> Riddell: you have upload rights on the all kde svn right ?
[02:19] <Riddell> Tonio_: yes
[02:19] <Tonio_> Riddell: we might need to get our kdebluetooth patches uploaded
[02:19] <Riddell> nosrednaekim: thin-client-manager it's called
[02:19] <Tonio_> Riddell: would you do it or should I ping gollub for this ?
[02:19] <Riddell> Tonio_: I thought kdebluetooth was quite active?
[02:19] <Tonio_> Riddell: some modules are
[02:20] <Tonio_> Riddell: some are broken for ages, and we have fixes for this
[02:20] <Riddell> gollub is upstream?
[02:20] <Tonio_> there is no real upstream, but he is quite active on it
[02:20] <Tonio_> several people are
[02:21] <Tonio_> I may ping them with the patche
[02:21] <nosrednaekim> Riddell: ok thanks! So should I send Ogra an email?
[02:21] <Riddell> nosrednaekim: yeah, good idea
[02:21] <Riddell> ask if there's much development working happening on it of it it's a good time to do a port
[02:21] <Riddell> it should be a good time since we're in bug fixing mode only
[02:22] <Riddell> also if there's someone who has been working on it who should be contacted
[02:34] <manchicken> Tonio_: What's goin' on man?
[02:35] <nixternal> mornin' manchicken
[02:35] <manchicken> Howdy nixternal :)
[02:36] <jjesse__> mornin
[02:36] <jjesse__> !nixternal
[02:36] <manchicken> I was trying to set up networking in qemu last night on my machine and I think it might have broken something.
[02:37] <nixternal> ooh, that silly bot must be broke :)
[02:37] <jjesse> grin
[02:37] <nosrednaekim> yeah... stupid bot is broken.
[02:38] <nosrednaekim> Riddell: ogra says that the code is a mess but a frontend shouldn't affect that. He says to wait until the next upload though because some integral part of it is broken ATM.
[02:40] <Riddell> nosrednaekim: ok, I guess the thing to do would be to see fi you can set yourself up with a thin client setup
[02:40] <nosrednaekim> Riddell: like a thin client backend an a frontend?
[02:41] <Riddell> nosrednaekim: yes
[02:41] <Riddell> do you have hardware that can do that?
[02:42] <nosrednaekim> Riddell: Ok, will do. That should be an adventure in and of itself :)
[02:42] <Riddell> there's howto's on help.ubuntu.com
[02:43] <Riddell> ogra can proably point you at the best one
[02:43] <nosrednaekim> ok.
[02:44] <Tonio_> hey manchicken ;)
[02:44] <Tonio_> manchicken: bah working on packages to fix bugs :)
[02:44] <manchicken> Took you long enough :)
[02:44] <manchicken> eh
[02:44] <manchicken> heh
[02:44] <Tonio_> kdebluetooth mostly fixed, waiting for thursday to upload
[02:44] <manchicken> Cool.
[02:44] <manchicken> I'll be testing it once my new machine shows up :)
[02:45] <Tonio_> hehe great ;)
[02:45] <manchicken> I've already decided that this big 17" monster is going to go back to edgy, and that my wife will be getting it.
[02:45] <manchicken> I got one of those 12" System76 machines on the way.
[02:45] <nosrednaekim> :)
[02:47] <manchicken> System76 folks seem very happy to answer all of my stupid questions.  Dell always transferred me to someone that barely spoke English.
[02:53] <nixternal> did you get it yet?
[02:53] <nixternal> err, nm
[02:53] <nixternal> "on the way"
[02:53] <manchicken> Yeah
[02:54] <manchicken> On the way
[02:54] <manchicken> The guy says their normal process is 8-10 days from order to delivery.
[02:54] <nixternal> it will be hard for me to move away from Compaq, but maybe next year I will be up for a new laptop and might go s76
[02:54] <manchicken> So Tuesday would be the latest it should arrive.
[02:54] <manchicken> Well I'll be staying away from Dell after the experience I've had.
[02:55] <nixternal> heh, mom is having Dell issues...this is the 4th time her dell PSU has died...and the computer is around a year and a half old...so she told dell to stick their warranty, remove her from anything they have, and went and bought a psu as tiger direct yesterday :)
[02:56] <manchicken> Nice.
[02:56] <ScottK> For desktops I've been rolling my own for a long time now.  For ~the same money you can get components with actual quality in them.
[02:56] <nixternal> I almost got my dad to switch after showing him that the dosbox emulator will run one of his special apps
[02:56] <nosrednaekim> Riddell: ok, thanks again. I'll set up a LTSP server and then get back to you.
[02:56] <nixternal> I have always rolled my own
[02:56] <manchicken> Yes, rolling your own desktop makes sense.
[02:57] <nosrednaekim> ScottK: yeah... far cheaper.. but unfortunately you can't do that for laptops.
[02:57] <manchicken> But getting a S76 Koala just looks so much cooler.
[02:57] <nixternal> to bad you couldn't roll your own laptop for a decent price
[02:57] <manchicken> If
[02:57] <ScottK> Yes.  That's why I said desktops.
[02:57] <manchicken> If I buy another desktop I'll be getting a Koala, if they still have those.
[02:57] <nixternal> you can roll your own laptop...asus I know sells barebone laptops...well that really isn't rolling your own I guess
[02:58] <nosrednaekim> and that always turns out to be more expensive.
[02:58] <nixternal> manchicken: the koala's are nice
[02:58] <nixternal> that is the mac mini looking one right?
[02:58] <manchicken> Yes, they are cute little beasts.
[02:58] <manchicken> Yeah.
[02:58] <manchicken> they only have 1GB RAM available though.
[02:58] <nixternal> don't need more than 1gb I would hope
[02:58] <manchicken> I NEED 10GB!
[02:58] <nixternal> hehe
[02:58] <manchicken> Why?  I don't know.  JUST GIMME!
[02:59] <manchicken> This lappy I'm buying has 2GB.
[02:59] <manchicken> And a dual-core 1.85GHz proc.
[02:59] <manchicken> I'll be teaching myself python on my trips back and forth to Chicago.
[02:59] <nixternal> hehe
[03:00] <nixternal> that should only be a couple of trips...so far the hardest thing I am having with python is to get it to start up my gui
[03:00] <jjesse> i got 4 gigs for my laptop for work and dell limits it hardware wise somehow to only 3.25 (
[03:00] <manchicken> I'm going to have a hard time with the scoping, I just know it.
[03:00] <nixternal> ouch
[03:01] <nixternal> man, back to class today...and I did all early classes this semester
[03:01] <ryanakca> wow
[03:02] <nixternal> c++/stl, english comp, and adv. javascript/html/css just today
[03:02] <ryanakca> two weeks left for me... and I could live with another month
[03:02] <nixternal> ya, me too
[03:02] <manchicken> They have classes on that?
[03:02] <manchicken> js/html/css
[03:02] <nixternal> I guess
[03:02] <ryanakca> english comp?
[03:02] <nixternal> I needed 2 more credits to hit my 12 credit hours and that one was open, so I took it
[03:02] <nixternal> ryanakca: writing class
[03:03] <nixternal> to make me a better writer, and a requirement if I ever decide to finish this degree
[03:03] <manchicken> heh
[03:03] <manchicken> Sounds like me in college.
[03:03] <manchicken> I got a B in database theory because the teacher didn't like me correcting her, and because I did my final project in postgres rather than access.
[03:03] <nixternal> I really wanted to take another philosophy class, but the professor I really enjoy wasn't teaching any of the honors courses this semester, so I bailed out
[03:04] <nixternal> I just found out the teacher in my adv java class is a stickler for code formatting....I hope she tries to tell me to format it the way she does
[03:05] <ryanakca> nixternal: ah
[04:46] <Tonio_> Riddell: want the systemsettings patch to commit svn ? package is ready on my own
[04:47] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: hey.. the patch in kde-systemsettings didn't go in.
[04:47] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: still no change in kcmultiwidget.cpp, line 318.
[04:47] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: FYI
[04:49] <Riddell> Tonio_: could do, although system settings for kde 3 isn't really developed any more since we have a kde 4 version
[04:51] <Tonio_> Riddell: okay so let's just go with a patch to the tarball, no need to waste time on that
[04:51] <Tonio_> Riddell: yeah I knew concerning kss kde4? just I didn't knew if that meant no dev on the kde3 version :)
[04:51] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: I didn't upload at the moment
[04:51] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: that's a minor fix and we're frozen
[04:52] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: I'll keep the package and will upload on thurdsay
[04:52] <_StefanS_> oh ok
[04:52] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: same for kdebluetooth package
[04:52] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: oka.. found a bug in adept btw. A segfault
[04:52] <Riddell> why thursday?
[04:52] <Tonio_> isn't tribe5 supposed to come out on thursday ?
[04:53] <Riddell> that's no reason to delay an upload
[04:53] <Tonio_> Riddell: "We have frozen the archive for Tribe 5, scheduled for Thursday"
[04:53] <Tonio_> hum oki, just that I usually do this
[04:53] <Tonio_> Riddell: no problem having the package in the queue then ?
[04:53] <Tonio_> let's go with upload :)
[04:54] <Tonio_> Riddell: btw for kdebluetooth we need a uvf exception....
[04:54] <Tonio_> Riddell: unless you can aprove directly, I don't know
[04:55] <Riddell> Tonio_: I already said I could probably give a general exception if it's for updating the beta to something newer without new features
[04:56] <Tonio_> Riddell: yeah I know, but does that mean I have to write the initial request so that you can "officialize" this ?
[04:57] <Tonio_> Riddell: okay, I just uploaded kdebluetooth, you know what to do :)
[04:57] <Riddell> Tonio_: no, just you have to tell me if that's what you would be updating
[04:58] <Tonio_> Riddell: great, so kdebluetooth-1.0~beta6~r702320 was uploaded, that's it :)
[04:58] <Tonio_> just bugfixes btw
[04:58] <_StefanS_> Tonio_, Riddell: I'm trying to figure out that segfault for adept, its related to commiting the package updates from repositories that are not reachable on the network. I discovered it while being of the corporate lan.
[04:59] <_StefanS_> of/off
[04:59] <Riddell> wibble
[05:00] <_StefanS_> what? :D
[05:00] <_StefanS_> wobble wibble wable.. must some english I dont understand
[05:01] <Riddell> adept shouldn't crash, that's one thing its very good at
[05:01] <_StefanS_> I agree.
[05:01] <_StefanS_> not really that perfect. But I didnt do anything bad to it, I think it just does a piss-poor job of handling errors :)
[05:05] <_StefanS_> uhm got a crash log now. I will check it later.
[05:08] <_StefanS_> Riddell: did that fix for doing dpkg-reconfigure -a go into adept?
[05:08] <_StefanS_> Riddell: for when it didn't finish the last time.
[05:10] <Riddell> _StefanS_: yes, should be one of manchicken's patches
[05:10] <_StefanS_> Riddell: uhm ok good.
[05:32] <manchicken> Looks like there may be a fix to Basket that stops this crashing :)
[05:32] <manchicken> Is anybody working on updating our package?
[05:38] <Riddell> not that I know of
[05:40] <ryanakca> manchicken: where's the fix?
[05:43] <ScottK> Riddell: Since it looks like you are reviewing on REVU, I'd like to commend the work of mok@bioxray.dk to you.  He's new to Ubuntu/Debian packaging, but a long time very knowlegeable KDE oriented person.
[05:43] <ScottK> http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=22 and http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=36
[05:44] <ScottK> With some encouragement and just a little experience I think he could be a good KDE oriented MOTU asset.
[05:44] <manchicken> If you look on bug #133857 there's a mention of a commit in svn for baskets that fixes the problem.
[05:46] <ryanakca> manchicken: ok
[05:46] <ryanakca> hmm.
[05:47] <Hobbsee> oh did someone take ownership of basket again?
[05:48] <ryanakca> I thought it had been abandoned
[05:49] <manchicken> I love that program.
[05:50] <manchicken> I will *DIE* without baskets.
[05:50] <manchicken> If only there were a viable scripting interface...
[06:01] <Riddell> ScottK: advocated 22
[06:01] <ScottK> Cool.
[06:02] <Riddell> 36 seems to be waiting a response
[06:02] <ScottK> 36 looks good.  I'm just building it now.
[06:03] <ScottK> Riddell: Do you want those comments on 22 cleaned up before I upload it for him?
[06:03] <Riddell> ScottK: may as well
[06:04] <Riddell> that package uses templates to an evil extent
[06:04] <Riddell> typical end of line "...ctionary<int>, BTK::IO::Dictionary<int> > > > > > > > > > > > >] "
[06:05] <Riddell> even adept doesn't use them that much
[06:05] <ScottK> OK.
[06:12] <ScottK> Riddell: I advocated 36.
[06:18] <Riddell> hi meduxa
[06:19] <Riddell> do you know how to get from north tenerief airport to costa adeje at 23:00?
[06:20] <Hobbsee> walk.
[06:20] <meduxa> hi
[06:20] <meduxa> jur
[06:20] <Riddell> Hobbsee: it's 40km away and we'll have luggage!
[06:20] <Hobbsee> Riddell: and?
[06:21] <meduxa> no no, it is 90 Km away
[06:21] <Hobbsee> Riddell: be a good bit of exercise. :P
[06:21] <Riddell> see, way too far
[06:21] <meduxa> don't worry
[06:21] <meduxa> I'll take you there
[06:21] <Riddell> you will?
[06:21] <meduxa> if the organization cannot do it
[06:21] <Riddell> won't you be on gran canaria?
[06:21] <Riddell> this is a week before the conference
[06:22] <meduxa> I'll ask them them before you care comming
[06:22] <meduxa> I live in Tenerife
[06:22] <meduxa> R. dale lives in Gran Canaria
[06:22] <Riddell> oh, my mistake
[06:23] <meduxa> if it is one week before the conf. I'll take you there
[06:23] <meduxa> are you renting a car finally?
[06:24] <Riddell> we're unsure
[06:24] <meduxa> which hotel are staying in
[06:24] <meduxa> ?
[06:24] <Riddell> would be another expense, and I'm a bad enough driver when I'm on the correct side of the road
[06:24] <Hobbsee> meduxa: that requires someone being able to drive it
[06:24] <meduxa> jejeje
[06:24] <Riddell> esmeralda playa hotel
[06:25] <meduxa> which day?
[06:25] <Hobbsee> meduxa: he'll drown before he drives far enough to try and run me over.  yay!
[06:25] <meduxa> jejejejejeje
[06:25] <Riddell> saturday september 8th
[06:26] <meduxa> as I said, I'll take you there, don't worry
[06:27] <meduxa> and I'll take you to visit the north part of the island wednesday or thursday
[06:27] <Riddell> ok, great
[06:28] <Riddell> Hobbsee: you've never seen my driving!
[06:28] <meduxa> I can for sure
[06:28] <Hobbsee> Riddell: i think i'm glad for that, by the sounds of it.
[06:28] <meduxa> Riddell do not drive on the right side of the road
[06:28] <Hobbsee> yes, drive on the left, like all good people.
[06:29] <Riddell> meduxa: can people climb the big hill/mountain/volcano in the middle of tenerife?
[06:29] <meduxa> Teide....yes of course
[06:29] <meduxa> nice ride
[06:30] <Riddell> ride?
[06:30] <meduxa> 3718 m
[06:30] <meduxa> well you get to 2200 by car
[06:30] <Riddell> right
[06:30] <meduxa> and then take a "telesferico" (don't know how you say that in english
[06:32] <Riddell> ski lift?
[06:32] <meduxa> until 3400 - 3500 aprox
[06:32] <Riddell> yes
[06:32] <meduxa> and an hour walk until the end
[06:32] <meduxa> yes sky lift
[06:32] <meduxa> until the top
[06:34] <meduxa> take a Kubuntu flag and you'll take a great picture with the lunar view you have there (volcanic rocks and black sand all over)
[06:34] <meduxa> Kubuntu riches the moon
[06:34] <meduxa> nice for the web page
[06:34] <ryanakca> haha
[06:35] <Riddell> good plan :)
[06:37] <Riddell> ryanakca: /msg sealne
[06:40] <ryanakca>  Riddell okies
[06:54] <Daskreech2> Anyone saw Troy's request?
[06:54] <Riddell> yes
[06:58] <Daskreech2> Anythoughts about implementing it?
[06:58] <jjesse> which request wqas that?
[07:02] <DaSkreech> Regarding Kubuntu removing Konqueror Menus
[07:02] <DaSkreech> he was requesting a saner way of doing it and having it pushed upstream
[07:31] <Riddell> DaSkreech: we already do it the most sane way, if there's no need for an option it shouldn't be there
[07:31] <DaSkreech> Yeah I was trying to rationlize where the option would go
[07:31] <Lucasg4> hello
[07:32] <Lucasg4>  Algum do Brasil?
[07:32] <DaSkreech> !br
[07:32] <Riddell> !pt
[07:32] <Riddell> bah, no bot
[07:32] <ubotu> Por favor use #ubuntu-br ou #ubuntu-pt  para ajuda em portugus. Obrigado.
[07:32] <Riddell> oh, groovy
[07:32] <Lucasg4> aff..
[07:41] <Nightrose> ;-) jep
[07:42] <Nightrose> aplg|nb: #12 was good
[07:42] <Nightrose> use that one?
[07:46] <Riddell> CDs are up for testing http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/daily/20070822.1/
[07:46] <aplg|nb> Nightrose: markey doesn't like the fade, I don't either
[07:46] <Nightrose> hmm k ;-)
[08:05] <Riddell> Live CDs too http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/daily-live/20070822.1/
[08:05] <Riddell> ah, jjesse, just in time to test some CDs
[08:09] <Lure> Riddell: is kdebluetooth upgrade issue known?
[08:10] <Lure> Riddell: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/34686/
[08:12] <Riddell> Lure: nope, blame Tonio_
[08:13] <Riddell> and upload a fix if you can
[08:13] <Lure> Riddell: apt-get install -f seems to fix it, so I do not know if we should be concerned
[08:13] <Lure> Riddell: and I am on business trip in US, so no time for any real work
[08:23] <Lure> Riddell: btw, kontact still crashes here on Summary page
[08:24] <Lure> Riddell: and I have basket installed (so it might be the same problem as manchicken's)
[08:24] <Lure> Riddell: no, it still crashes if I remove basket :-(
[08:25] <Riddell> it still should be fixed, poke Tonio_
[08:26] <Lure> Riddell: ok, will ping him if I see him online
[08:44] <allee> Lure: I doubt that libkbuetooth from 0.99 is API compatible with 1.0-* ;)  So we should kick upstream not Tonio_ :)
[08:47] <Lure> allee: it was just packaing complaint, did not test it yet
[08:48] <seele> Riddell: ping
[08:48] <nixternal> howdy
[08:48] <Riddell> hi seele
[08:48] <seele> heya
[08:49] <seele> so i have some non-American english questions
[08:49] <seele> what is the difference between a git and a prat, and is there an american equivalent?
[08:49] <Riddell> hmm, truly a deep question
[08:49] <seele> lol
[08:49] <jjesse> Riddell: sure can tribe5 or whatever?
[08:49] <Riddell> a git would me more deliberatly malitious, while a prat would just be annoyingly silly
[08:50] <seele> so an ass and an idiot?
[08:50] <nixternal> I guess I am a prat then :)
[08:50] <Riddell> seele: that would match indeed
[08:51] <Riddell> jjesse: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/daily-live/20070822.1/ (or daily)
[08:52] <seele> Riddell: ok.. one final question.. what does "wotcher" mean?  is it some kind of greeting?
[08:52] <seele> (you'd think i'm learning a foreign language here)
[08:52] <Riddell> seele: yes, it's a south of England informal greeting, popular in East Enders for example
[08:53] <seele> on top of the accent, sometimes i think the germans are easier to understand ;)
[08:53] <ScottK> seele: You are.  :-)
[08:53] <Riddell> probably comes from "what's up"
[08:53] <jjesse> Riddell: downlinad right now
[08:53] <seele> hum
[08:54] <seele> ok thanks.. i hope i wasn't distrubing anything too important for that ;)
[08:54] <ScottK> Open Office works now.
[08:55] <Riddell> and of course the correct term for "non-American english" is British English (or International, or Commonwealth)
[08:55] <Riddell> ScottK: yay
[08:55] <seele> British English.. i always thing of redcoats when i see that, hah
[08:56] <seele> never heard of it called commonwealth before tho
[09:00] <Riddell> it's not very common
[09:09] <manchicken> Riddell: What about wrong English?  That's what we call it here :P
[09:09] <manchicken> "It's spelled COLOR"
[09:10] <Riddell> color isn't remotely phoenetic
[09:11] <manchicken> Sure it is..
[09:11] <manchicken> "col-or"
[09:12] <manchicken> ryanakca: Does it matter?  They're both wrong :P
[09:12] <manchicken> ryanakca: I think they stick a lot more French into their English since they're officially bilingual.
[09:12] <jjesse_> stupdi wireless :(
[09:12] <manchicken> (the Canadians that is)
[09:13] <seele> Frenglish?
[09:13] <manchicken> seele: Canadian :)
[09:13] <seele> hehe
[09:14] <ryanakca> nono... Franglais ...
[09:14] <ryanakca> (french + english)
[09:14] <seele> is French still considered the language of diplomacy?
[09:15] <Riddell> together with english (you probably have both on your passport)
[09:16] <Riddell> nixternal: fancy writing a story on the fridge pointing at the kubuntu parts of http://dot.kde.org/1187809926/ ?
[09:16] <manchicken> seele: That's just what the French want you to believe.  It's part of their massive plan to conquer the world.
[09:16] <Riddell> I seem to have had my privilages removed
[09:17] <Riddell> jings, an American suggesting the French want to conquer the world..
[09:18] <ScottK> Both seem to do fairly well at getting armies bogged down in distant lands to little apparent purpose.
[09:18] <seele> manchicken: too bad Napolean thought it was a good idea to invade Russion in the middle of winter
[09:19] <Riddell> awooga, it booted
[09:19] <manchicken> seele: Yeah, but they've learned since then.  Now they just clothe themselves in Germans before invading.
[09:20] <Riddell> huh?
[09:20] <nixternal> Riddell: sure
[09:21] <Riddell> manchicken: what's that a reference to?
[09:22] <manchicken> Riddell: Does it really need to make sense?  I'd really prefer it if it didn't.
[09:22] <Riddell> "No bluetooth adaptor found"  Tonio_ poke poke I don't want to see that on startup
[09:22] <nixternal> I just got that error message
[09:23] <Riddell> hmm, restricted drivers still starts up
[09:23] <kwwii> everyone knows that the mastermind behind all these "conquer the world" strategies is Scotland ;-)
[09:23] <nixternal> I thought the new OO.o was fixed
[09:24] <Riddell> oh wait, it's ment to start up :)
[09:24] <Riddell> kwwii: yes, we did such a great job colonising Panama
[09:26] <ScottK> nixternal: It's fixed here.
[09:31] <Riddell> OO works here, although the Copy toolbar icon is funky
[09:32] <kwwii> Riddell: I always wondered why they named Nova Scotia such - was it the queens attempt at sucking up to
[09:32] <kwwii> ...Scotland
[09:32] <kwwii> ?
[09:35] <nixternal> ScottK: I was just being a prat :D
[09:35] <nixternal> it works here to, and now my volume control works again, however it is very silent
[09:36] <ScottK> I did have to uninstall kdebluetooth to get the latest round of upgrades to complete.
[09:36] <nixternal> I think Tonio_ has hooked up with a bluetooth vendor, because now when I log in, my computer says it can't find a blue tooth adapter and that I should run to my local computer store and purchase one :)
[09:36] <ScottK> No bluetooth no the box, so it doesn't hurt any.
[09:36] <nixternal> I just did an apt-get -f install to get the kdebluetooth to install
[09:36] <ScottK> I just removed it.
[09:37] <nixternal> I was going to go buy a cheapy usb bluetooth adapter, but I don't have anything to communicate with
[09:37] <nixternal> Riddell: posted!
[09:40] <nixternal> https://wiki.kubuntu.org/GutsyGibbon/Tribe5/Kubuntu
[09:40] <nixternal> anyone have info to add in the blanks, put something there so I know what to write about later :)
[10:05] <manchicken> http://www.fayerwayer.com/up/2007/04/bill_gates_ubuntu_mini.jpg
[10:07] <nosrednaekim> oh..i've seen that :)
[10:08] <manchicken> That's nice, eh?
[10:10] <nosrednaekim> yep..
[10:10] <nosrednaekim> ever seen the one with Tux and the juice box saying "windows sucks best"?
[10:13] <nixternal> the best one is tux with a fly swatter going after the butterfly
[10:14] <nosrednaekim> haha
[10:15] <nixternal> I always make that my wallpaper when I have to use a MS machine at school
[10:16] <nosrednaekim> the one with tux and the bazooka with the smoked MS image on the hill is good too.
[10:16] <nixternal> hahaha
[10:18] <Riddell> desktop CD seems to be broken, I'll make new ones in a few hours
[10:19] <nixternal> roger
[11:12] <Tonio_> Riddell: yo
[11:13] <Tonio_> Riddell: absolytlu no change concerning the "no adapters found"
[11:13] <Tonio_> when did that change ?
[11:13] <ScottK> Tonio_: Did you see the kubuntu-devel discussion about klamav from when you were gone?
[11:14] <Tonio_> not yet, I'm just back to the computer
[11:16] <ScottK> OK.
[11:17] <ScottK> Tonio_: Bottom line is that the locally compiled clamav didn't turn out to play as nicely with the packaged one as I thought, so I uploaded it with your patch intact.
[11:18] <Tonio_> ScottK: oki, great :-)
[11:19] <Tonio_> allee, Lure, Riddell: package is merged with debian, I didn't change anything to the splitting process, so there is the issue...... and the issue is annoying, I agree
[11:26] <ryanakca> hmm. javascript error from akregator (web page links from blogs/feeds opened in a tab):
[11:26] <ryanakca> Could not start process Unable to create io-slave: klauncher said: Unknown protocol 'javascript'.
[11:27] <ryanakca> Happens with kde-apps 'close preview screenshot of app' type tab, and with the zoom on the items in ubutu/canonical store...
[11:32] <Tonio_> nixternal, Riddell: concerning the 'no bluetooth adapter found', as all my machines have embedded bluetooth, I missed that one :)
[11:33] <Tonio_> Riddell: I'll patch that toonight and will had a conflict between libkbluetooth and kdebluetooth < binary-version
[11:33] <Tonio_> that should fix the upgrade issue
[12:28] <carbonfreeze> anyone having an issue passing vga= options to tribe4+ kernel? After doing dist-upgrade from 7.04 to 7.10, newer kernel just shows blank screen upon boot instead of verbose output. I have to remove vga= options to get a 640x480 fb.
[12:28] <Riddell> #ubuntu-kernel might know more
[12:29] <carbonfreeze> Riddell: thanks