=== morphir [n=morphir@217.168.81.9] has joined #kubuntu-devel [01:58] Tonio_: Are you around? === maniacmusician [n=maniacmu@24-151-1-102.dhcp.nwtn.ct.charter.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel === nosrednaekim [n=michael@03-112.200.popsite.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === manchicken [n=manchkn@74-134-231-37.dhcp.insightbb.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel === claydoh [n=claydoh@66-252-55-42.dyn-adsl.midmaine.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Hobbsee_ [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Hobbsee_ [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Hobbsee_ [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #kubuntu-devel [03:51] Hobbsee: is there anyone in particular paying attention about dolphin for kde3? [03:52] ScottK2: Tonio_ i expect [03:52] OK. I'll bug him next time I see him. [03:53] The fish protocol (for ssh connections) is a deeply bad idea IMO (bug already filed). [03:53] what about it? [03:57] To start, instead of just talking ssh to the other end, fish drops a little perl script on the far end and talks to that. [03:57] To continue, it makes lots of parallel connections instead of one steady one. [03:58] This particular issue makes fish not work across the iptables script I run on my servers. [03:58] The parallelism makes it possible to fork bomb the remote server (I did this one before I knew what fish was). [03:59] nice [03:59] At least for talking to Ubuntu servers (and many other modern servers) it's just not needed. Sftp works as soon as you install ssh-server. [03:59] Fish had it's day and it's really passed. [04:00] I'm sure whoever did Dolphin is a GUI/File Manager type person, not a network protocol person and probably didn't know. === Tm_T always just says "sftp://" === Hobbsee likes fish, at times [04:01] uh, and hi Hobbsee [04:01] Tm_T: That's the thing to do, but I don't see how to do that with Dolphin. === nosrednaekim likes fish too... but didn't know what it actually did [04:01] In Konqueror, it's no problem. [04:01] ScottK2: what's that? [04:02] hi Tm_T [04:02] aaaa, now I remember, that GNOMEd Konqueror-clone === Tm_T hides [04:02] Something like that. [04:02] I meant, err, simplified? === ScottK2 has only played with it a little bit. [04:02] I knew what you meant. [04:02] haha [04:06] So anyway... Fish has got to go, at least as the default and only choice. [04:10] wadda? hmm. isn't fish just plain old sftp? [04:11] No. It's not. [04:11] hmm. [04:11] Make a fish connection and then aftwards go look for a file called fish.pl on the distant end of the connection. [04:13] fish connection? I thought it ran over ssh. === ryanakca googles [04:13] It does. They both run over ssh, but do it different ways. [04:14] Ah [04:14] howdy! [04:15] Howdy. [04:15] hey nixternal === ryanakca scratches his head and tries to remember his RC/etc picture idea [04:15] hiya [04:16] ummm... ermmm... Well... It was good when I thought of it. [04:17] Riddell: rockin' getting that info on the tribe 5 page. I am moving it temporarily so I can apply the template I made and then copy over what you put in...groovy and thanks! [04:23] ryanakca: Caught up on the evils of fish now? [04:23] kinda [04:23] Bug #133957 could use confirmation. [04:23] What I've found is 'It permits (among other things) ftp-like browsing over nothing more sophisticated than a generic SSH transport. So, no more dodgy sftp protocol that works practically nowhere, anyway. FISH will work against any sshd, period. [04:24] That's one theory. [04:24] I've never tried to sftp to a server that didn't support it. [04:24] I can't fish to my servers due to ssh rate limiting. [04:24] I have accidentally fork-bombed a server with fish. [04:25] And it installs and runs stuff on the remote server which I don't like either. [04:25] connecting to an sshd with fish installs stuff on the server? [04:25] So IME all the goodness of fish is entirely theoretical and all the problems entirely real. [04:26] Hmm. don't most sshd's support sftp nowadays? [04:27] Yes. [04:27] so, fish is basically obsolete. methinks [04:27] That's my view. === ryanakca tries to confirm. [04:27] Obsolete and technically inferior. [04:27] Cool. [04:28] Hobbsee: Did ktnef get promoted to main while I wasn't looking? [04:29] Not that I mind, I really like it and it comes in handy all the time for me, but I was suprised to find I had libktnef1 installed on a default install. [04:29] uh, no [04:29] oh, wait, the lib did [04:29] i wonder if that was intentional [04:30] I can confirm the fish in dolphin by default [04:30] oh, hmmm. === ScottK2 wonders if we can just sneak the rest of it in then.... [04:30] And it opens it in konqueror instead of fish? odd [04:30] More Outlook compatilbility goodness. [04:30] ryanakca: Exactly very odd. [04:31] ScottK2: shouldnt be hard, the source is already in main [04:32] Yep. [04:32] Hmm. confirm and... would it be a security risk? installing things on a remote server, which could in turn be an ubuntu server? (goes on with an uneducated what-if game). If someone compromises the local fish .pl script that gets installed on the remote server, would that in turn compromise the remote server? === Lure [n=lure@12.10.190.194] has joined #kubuntu-devel [04:33] Well it just runs with user priviledges, so it's not an actual official security issue, but not something I'm particularly confortable with. === ryanakca nods. So what priority? medium? [04:34] ryanakca: I'm not sure. I'm torn between Medium, High, and Wishlist. I can see arguments for all three. [04:36] well, I would go high because it could cause a security type thing, and medium because it's not really that bad of an issue. hmm.. have you filed the 'open fish in konqueror' bug? [04:37] No. That's not a bug. [04:37] Ah, dolphin doesn't have support built in? [04:37] The issue is Dolphin only lets you set up SSH connection icons using fish. That's the bug. Given that, using it in Konqueror is unfortunate, but correct. [04:38] ok [04:38] Konqueror is only doing what it's told. [04:38] ryanakca: If you think High is not unreasonable, I'd say go ahead and set it. [04:38] It's just a File Manager. [04:39] That part actually makes sense given it's mission. === ryanakca nods [04:39] I'll stick it to high. === maniacmusician [n=maniacmu@24-151-1-102.dhcp.nwtn.ct.charter.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel [05:04] Hmm. Why did we downgrade kontact container from 1.2.5 to Kontact: 1.2.4 (enterprise 0.20070508.662491) === n8k99 [n=nathan@dsl254-078-190.nyc1.dsl.speakeasy.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === dandel [n=dandel@pool-71-96-85-123.dfw.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Knightlust [n=dax@122.2.246.215] has joined #kubuntu-devel [06:11] hi all [06:12] kontact crashing for anybody else? [06:18] Using Flash? [06:42] Lure: yeah, it has something to do with basket... see manchicken's bug [06:43] Right. Misread Kontact for Konqueror. [06:43] ryanakca: ok, I thought it was just me [06:43] Yeah, manchicken's bug. [06:43] Mail on kubuntu-devel too. [06:43] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdepim/+bug/133857 [06:44] why did we downgrade kontact? === sahin_h [n=ezaz@dsl5400DA66.pool.t-online.hu] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Pali [n=pali@adsl-dyn243.91-127-244.t-com.sk] has joined #kubuntu-devel === glatzor [n=renate@p57AEE85E.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === viviersf [n=cain@gw.impilinux.co.za] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Pali [n=pali@adsl-dyn243.91-127-244.t-com.sk] has left #kubuntu-devel ["Kopete] === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #kubuntu-devel === \sh_away is now known as \sh === ScottK2 [n=ScottK@ubuntu/member/scottk] has joined #kubuntu-devel === ubotu [n=ubotu@ubuntu/bot/ubotu] has joined #kubuntu-devel === _StefanS_ [n=sfs@cpe.atm2-0-90156.0x5734b54a.naenxx14.customer.tele.dk] has joined #kubuntu-devel [09:43] hi === Tm_T [i=tm_travo@kde/developer/jkekkonen] has joined #kubuntu-devel === je4d [n=jeff@kde/developer/je4d] has joined #kubuntu-devel === neversfelde|mobi [n=neversfe@82.113.121.1] has joined #kubuntu-devel [09:51] Riddell, kwwii: the poster is here. Thank you. [09:51] I'm going to send it back after froscon [09:52] neversfelde|mobi: the other stuff is being sent to danimo from KDE, I don't know if it'll arrive in time but there's most larger posters and t-shirts [09:56] Riddell: I think the KDE booth is right next to kubuntu, so we will see danimo in any case. [09:57] neversfelde|mobi: there's a shared talk too as far as I can make out [09:57] neversfelde|mobi: you're probably best to send it to canonical afterwards if nobody wants to take it [09:58] <_StefanS_> hi Tonio_ [09:58] ok, I will ask after froscon where to send it. === viviersf [n=cain@gw.impilinux.co.za] has joined #kubuntu-devel [10:00] _StefanS_: yo [10:01] <_StefanS_> this is kinda cool.. ibm has an internal ubuntu repository :O) [10:02] <_StefanS_> they even use knetworkmanager ;) [10:02] _StefanS_: any news concerning kdebluetooth segfault ? [10:02] <_StefanS_> nopes [10:02] _StefanS_: no way to nicelly strce this for me....$ [10:03] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: I will try to figure it out. [10:03] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: fix that fade in the meantime :D - your damn macbook. [10:04] _StefanS_: still want to work on the fade now ? [10:04] _StefanS_: it won't go to gutsy btw -> feature freeze ;) [10:04] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: well, just kidding you actually. [10:05] _StefanS_: hehe [10:05] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: its your macbook's fault it didn't come in :D [10:05] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: ah nevermind about it, I will look into that kdebluetooth thingy [10:05] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: currently compiling it [10:05] <_StefanS_> (again) [10:06] _StefanS_: hehe [10:06] _StefanS_: just build from svn, same issue here [10:07] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: what issue? [10:07] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: segfault? [10:07] yup [10:09] <_StefanS_> uhm.. well. kinda odd we dont get anymore information out of it. [10:09] <_StefanS_> at first I thought it was kcmshell that had a problem [10:13] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: did you see that mail from Jucato? [10:14] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: about kdmtheme in systemsettings === je4d [n=jeff@peridot.caffeinated.me.uk] has joined #kubuntu-devel [10:15] _StefanS_: am I in copy of it ? [10:15] didn't look at my mails today doing it now [10:15] <_StefanS_> sent it to you now. [10:15] <_StefanS_> I might be able to look into that aswell === aplg|nb [n=me@amarok/rokymotion/apachelogger] has joined #kubuntu-devel [10:17] oki [10:18] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: kdmtheme is not in gutsy though.. [10:18] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: atleast not visible [10:19] _StefanS_: I can see that and I remember the bug [10:19] _StefanS_: having a look now [10:19] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: oh ok. === never|mobi [n=neversfe@82.113.121.1] has joined #kubuntu-devel [10:25] _StefanS_: yeah I remember that kdmtheme issue [10:26] _StefanS_: to mke it simple : install kdmtheme, search for it in systemsettings, no admin mode [10:26] works in kcontrol [10:26] I never have been able to figure out why [10:26] <_StefanS_> ah yep, I see the problem [10:27] <_StefanS_> will look at after kdebluetooth [10:28] _StefanS_: I'm looking to it now too [10:30] <_StefanS_> ok === aplg|nb [n=me@N901P010.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #kubuntu-devel === tmske [n=thomas@dD5763506.access.telenet.be] has joined #kubuntu-devel === _StefanS_ [n=sfs@cpe.atm2-0-90156.0x5734b54a.naenxx14.customer.tele.dk] has joined #kubuntu-devel === viviersf [n=cain@gw.impilinux.co.za] has joined #kubuntu-devel [10:49] <_StefanS_> . [10:50] _StefanS_: concerning kdmtheme, I really think the problem is within the lib included [10:50] _StefanS_: that's not a .desktop issue btw [10:50] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: within what lib? [10:51] X-KDE-Library=kdmtheme [10:51] this one [10:52] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: how does e.g. Monitor & Display handle the Administrator thing? [10:52] _StefanS_: looking [10:53] _StefanS_: I use the fontinst thing as it is c++ [10:53] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: good, lets just grab that for kdmtheme [10:54] Riddell: ping ? [11:13] Tonio_: hi [11:13] Riddell: hey ;) [11:14] Riddell: wanted to ask you what to do for obexftp mir ? [11:14] Riddell: there is not much that can be done now.... [11:15] did you get an answer from upstream? [11:16] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: adding X-KDE-RootOnly=true in /usr/share/applications/kde/kdmtheme.desktop, and starting it with kcmshell manually works. [11:16] _StefanS_: of course it'll work [11:16] _StefanS_: but not in ystemsettings [11:16] that's the problem [11:16] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: yes.. [11:16] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: I know :) [11:17] and I don't see any reason why [11:17] <_StefanS_> wierd since it should get those info when the desktop was loaded. I will place some debug [11:19] _StefanS_: I can't see much a difference comparing kdmtheme to the printer kcm for example [11:19] <_StefanS_> nope very odd. [11:20] _StefanS_: the point is as is it coded to work in kcontrol, and it does, we can't really suspect a kdmtheme bug [11:20] btw, as it is the only kcm failing in kss, we can suspect the bug is in there [11:20] that's the problem : where is the bug ? [11:20] <_StefanS_> bluetooth fails also [11:20] in systemsettings or kdmtheme [11:20] <_StefanS_> kcm_btpaired [11:20] <_StefanS_> gotta look into that as well [11:21] _StefanS_: yeah it segfaults [11:21] _StefanS_: I suspect the same issue that with btpaired, as they started to fail the same day [11:21] <_StefanS_> probably [11:21] _StefanS_: maybe fixing the first will fix the second [11:21] <_StefanS_> I guess something systemsettings are not following kcontrol, thats for sure === viviersf [n=cain@gw.impilinux.co.za] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Shely [n=Sea@60.20.51.214] has joined #kubuntu-devel === neversfelde|mobi [n=neversfe@82.113.121.1] has joined #kubuntu-devel === ScottK2 is now known as ScottK === aplg|nb is now known as apachelogger [12:05] Tonio_: well done on getting obexftp approved, does anything else need compiling for it except kdebluetooth? === apachelogger is now known as aplg|nb [12:07] Riddell: no it should build now [12:07] Riddell: we just have to wait [12:08] would be nice to get it into tribe === viviersf [n=cain@gw.impilinux.co.za] has joined #kubuntu-devel [12:21] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: think i've found it for kdmtheme. === tmske [n=thomas@dD5763506.access.telenet.be] has joined #kubuntu-devel [12:21] _StefanS_: ah ? [12:21] Riddell: shouldn't it be build automatically today ? [12:21] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: yep the root check simply doesn't work for for [12:21] <_StefanS_> if (d->currentModule->moduleInfo().needsRootPrivileges() && [12:21] <_StefanS_> !d->currentModule->rootMode() ) [12:21] <_StefanS_> argh sorry [12:21] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: kcmultiwidget.cpp linje 398 [12:21] <_StefanS_> linje/line [12:21] _StefanS_: looking [12:21] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: the else catches the check. [12:21] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: so i'm looking into needsRootPrivileges [12:21] _StefanS_: well it should work partially, as you are prompted that admin root are needed btw [12:21] just that you don't have the button [12:21] _StefanS_: btw how can that work on kcontrol then ? [12:21] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: Is it the same code? [12:21] <_StefanS_> (havent checked) [12:21] dopn't know [12:22] _StefanS_: you're looking into the systemsettings code right ? [12:22] <_StefanS_> yep [12:22] ah oki [12:22] Tonio_: yes, just depends on how quick soyuz is to notice that it can build [12:23] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: hmm wait thats not where it checks for it. [12:23] Riddell: okay so lett's wait a bit :) [12:24] _StefanS_: :( [12:25] nixternal: kvkbd in main [12:28] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: closer now ;) [12:29] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: line 318 is actually where it registers capabilities for the modules.l [12:29] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: kdmtheme doesnt get added with cm.adminmode=true. [12:31] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: found it ;) [12:32] _StefanS_: interesting :) [12:32] _StefanS_: btw how does that work with kcontrol then ? [12:32] strange isn't it ? [12:32] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: " !d->hasRootKCM" must be removed from the if statement [12:32] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: well we have to check what is used to determing adminmode with in kcontrol [12:34] _StefanS_: better fix systemsettings then ? [12:34] _StefanS_: isn't that easier to just patch kdmtheme as it is the only known kcm that causes problems ? [12:34] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: I'm comparing the adminmode thingy in kcontrol in a moment [12:35] k [12:36] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: font installer still works with admin stuff btw. [12:38] yrah I noticed that [12:38] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: uhm actually kcontrol just uses a needsRootPrivileges check and, uid != 0. [12:39] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: donno why systemsettings do all those extra things. [12:39] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: I suggest we just change that if statement. [12:43] Riddell: any opiniion ? [12:44] _StefanS_: I would agree it is simpler to let systemsettings checking the same way kcontrol does [12:44] _StefanS_: that makes sense [12:44] <_StefanS_> yes, and since it seems like it wont break existing modules, its ok I think. [12:44] <_StefanS_> I'm tracing that kcm_btpaired thingy. [12:44] <_StefanS_> actually it look like dbus stuff... [12:45] _StefanS_: don't wanna make the patch for systemsettings first ? so that we can commit svn and upload ;) [12:45] <_StefanS_> oh well, I thought you just had it ready :) [12:45] <_StefanS_> lemme fix. [12:47] _StefanS_: I didn't no, as I understood your point, but writting this would take me a lot of time [12:47] _StefanS_: is that just a matter of fixing the "if" test ? [12:47] <_StefanS_> yep, debdiff coming your way soon. [12:47] <_StefanS_> yes. [12:49] Tonio_: seems sensible === tmske [n=thomas@dD5763506.access.telenet.be] has joined #kubuntu-devel === viviersf [n=cain@gw.impilinux.co.za] has joined #kubuntu-devel [12:50] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: debdiff heading your way.... [12:51] super === tmske [n=thomas@dD5763506.access.telenet.be] has joined #kubuntu-devel [01:03] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: hmm seems like we still have an issue with the input.service in kdebluetooth. [01:03] _StefanS_: hum..... [01:04] _StefanS_: strange as it ised to work afaicr [01:04] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: guess something might still be missing. I will investigate more. [01:04] _StefanS_: go to eat, brb [01:04] <_StefanS_> oka === jjesse_ [n=jjesse@64.186.55.234] has joined #kubuntu-devel [01:15] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: fix for kdebluetooth in your mail ;) [01:20] <\sh> Riddell, just saw it now while updating..why are kdepackages postfixed with ~feisty1? [01:20] <\sh> Riddell, (speaking of gutsy packages) [01:23] they shouldn't be [01:23] which package? [01:23] <\sh> konqueror: 4:3.5.7-0ubuntu1~feisty1 [01:23] <\sh> as an example [01:24] <\sh> I'll check after dist-upgrade the logfiles for more [01:24] <\sh> oh sorry [01:24] <\sh> my fault... [01:25] <\sh> replacing ~feisty1 with .../bla [01:25] <\sh> oh god I really need new glasses === freeflying [n=freeflyi@123.116.102.66] has joined #kubuntu-devel === aplg|nb_ [n=me@N755P014.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #kubuntu-devel === aplg|nb_ is now known as aplg|nb [01:33] <\sh> Riddell, karm : trying to overwrite kaddressbookplugin.desktop which is also in package kontact ;) [01:39] Oo === xRaich[o] 2x [n=raichoo@i5387E978.versanet.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel [01:39] wtf does karm ship kaddressbookplugin? [01:40] no idea === viviersf [n=cain@gw.impilinux.co.za] has joined #kubuntu-devel [01:43] <\sh> aplg|nb, there were more messages like this...and stragewise ooofice just failed but looks like after apt-get -f install it works better *strange* [01:44] so kdepim is br0ken and ooo always was :/ === aplg|nb is kinda happy that he got both not installed in gutsy [01:54] _StefanS_: well done for kdebluetooth [01:54] _StefanS_: how on earth did you find that issue ? :) [01:55] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: thank you, thank you very much (elvis style). [01:55] _StefanS_: how did you find that one ? [01:55] <_StefanS_> well, I just figured that the dbus path for bluez should be similar across the line. and IsTrusted() was the only thing happening there. [01:56] <_StefanS_> I just thought that the lookup failed, and checked the other org.bluez.input. paths. [01:56] <_StefanS_> and right so, the "input" wasn't inside the on the one that failed. [01:57] neet :) [01:58] <_StefanS_> well, yea. Lucky punch I guess. === maini10 [n=maini10@host246-54-dynamic.10-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #kubuntu-devel [02:03] Riddell: wow, kvkbd into main was easy :) [02:03] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: any thing else causing problems? [02:03] nixternal: apart from being blocked? [02:04] sure [02:04] haha [02:04] the block was an easy hurdle [02:04] _StefanS_: not to what I know for now :) [02:04] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: goody. === _StefanS_ leans back and sips an icetea. === nosrednaekim [n=michael@02-135.200.popsite.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === jjesse__ [n=jjesse@64.186.55.234] has joined #kubuntu-devel === viviersf [n=cain@gw.impilinux.co.za] has joined #kubuntu-devel [02:15] Riddell: are you around? [02:15] yes === vlo [n=valentin@138.131.206.195] has joined #kubuntu-devel [02:16] Riddell: you offered to mentor someone porting ltsp-kde-tools to Qt4. [02:16] Riddell: I'd like to try :) [02:16] any paticular tool in mind? there's ldm (c++) and the ltsp manager thing (python) [02:17] and the ltsp config thing [02:17] also python [02:17] All the python portions. I don't know c++. [02:18] you may actually be best talking to ogra in the first instance, he would know what the current state of the ltsp manager is [02:18] Riddell: you have upload rights on the all kde svn right ? [02:19] Tonio_: yes [02:19] Riddell: we might need to get our kdebluetooth patches uploaded [02:19] nosrednaekim: thin-client-manager it's called [02:19] Riddell: would you do it or should I ping gollub for this ? [02:19] Tonio_: I thought kdebluetooth was quite active? [02:19] Riddell: some modules are [02:20] Riddell: some are broken for ages, and we have fixes for this [02:20] gollub is upstream? [02:20] there is no real upstream, but he is quite active on it [02:20] several people are [02:21] I may ping them with the patche [02:21] Riddell: ok thanks! So should I send Ogra an email? [02:21] nosrednaekim: yeah, good idea [02:21] ask if there's much development working happening on it of it it's a good time to do a port [02:21] it should be a good time since we're in bug fixing mode only [02:22] also if there's someone who has been working on it who should be contacted === _czessi [n=Czessi@dslb-088-073-140-132.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [02:34] Tonio_: What's goin' on man? [02:35] mornin' manchicken [02:35] Howdy nixternal :) [02:36] mornin [02:36] !nixternal === jjesse__ is now known as jjesse [02:36] I was trying to set up networking in qemu last night on my machine and I think it might have broken something. [02:37] ooh, that silly bot must be broke :) [02:37] grin [02:37] yeah... stupid bot is broken. [02:38] Riddell: ogra says that the code is a mess but a frontend shouldn't affect that. He says to wait until the next upload though because some integral part of it is broken ATM. === rbrunhuber [n=rbrunhub@highway.mvi.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel [02:40] nosrednaekim: ok, I guess the thing to do would be to see fi you can set yourself up with a thin client setup [02:40] Riddell: like a thin client backend an a frontend? [02:41] nosrednaekim: yes [02:41] do you have hardware that can do that? [02:42] Riddell: Ok, will do. That should be an adventure in and of itself :) [02:42] there's howto's on help.ubuntu.com [02:43] ogra can proably point you at the best one [02:43] ok. [02:44] hey manchicken ;) [02:44] manchicken: bah working on packages to fix bugs :) [02:44] Took you long enough :) [02:44] eh [02:44] heh [02:44] kdebluetooth mostly fixed, waiting for thursday to upload [02:44] Cool. [02:44] I'll be testing it once my new machine shows up :) [02:45] hehe great ;) [02:45] I've already decided that this big 17" monster is going to go back to edgy, and that my wife will be getting it. [02:45] I got one of those 12" System76 machines on the way. [02:45] :) === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #kubuntu-devel === neversfelde|mobi [n=neversfe@82.113.121.1] has joined #kubuntu-devel [02:47] System76 folks seem very happy to answer all of my stupid questions. Dell always transferred me to someone that barely spoke English. [02:53] did you get it yet? [02:53] err, nm [02:53] "on the way" [02:53] Yeah [02:54] On the way [02:54] The guy says their normal process is 8-10 days from order to delivery. [02:54] it will be hard for me to move away from Compaq, but maybe next year I will be up for a new laptop and might go s76 [02:54] So Tuesday would be the latest it should arrive. [02:54] Well I'll be staying away from Dell after the experience I've had. [02:55] heh, mom is having Dell issues...this is the 4th time her dell PSU has died...and the computer is around a year and a half old...so she told dell to stick their warranty, remove her from anything they have, and went and bought a psu as tiger direct yesterday :) [02:56] Nice. [02:56] For desktops I've been rolling my own for a long time now. For ~the same money you can get components with actual quality in them. [02:56] I almost got my dad to switch after showing him that the dosbox emulator will run one of his special apps [02:56] Riddell: ok, thanks again. I'll set up a LTSP server and then get back to you. [02:56] I have always rolled my own [02:56] Yes, rolling your own desktop makes sense. [02:57] ScottK: yeah... far cheaper.. but unfortunately you can't do that for laptops. [02:57] But getting a S76 Koala just looks so much cooler. [02:57] to bad you couldn't roll your own laptop for a decent price [02:57] If [02:57] Yes. That's why I said desktops. [02:57] If I buy another desktop I'll be getting a Koala, if they still have those. [02:57] you can roll your own laptop...asus I know sells barebone laptops...well that really isn't rolling your own I guess [02:58] and that always turns out to be more expensive. [02:58] manchicken: the koala's are nice [02:58] that is the mac mini looking one right? [02:58] Yes, they are cute little beasts. [02:58] Yeah. [02:58] they only have 1GB RAM available though. [02:58] don't need more than 1gb I would hope [02:58] I NEED 10GB! [02:58] hehe [02:58] Why? I don't know. JUST GIMME! [02:59] This lappy I'm buying has 2GB. [02:59] And a dual-core 1.85GHz proc. [02:59] I'll be teaching myself python on my trips back and forth to Chicago. [02:59] hehe [03:00] that should only be a couple of trips...so far the hardest thing I am having with python is to get it to start up my gui [03:00] i got 4 gigs for my laptop for work and dell limits it hardware wise somehow to only 3.25 ( [03:00] I'm going to have a hard time with the scoping, I just know it. [03:00] ouch [03:01] man, back to class today...and I did all early classes this semester [03:01] wow [03:02] c++/stl, english comp, and adv. javascript/html/css just today [03:02] two weeks left for me... and I could live with another month [03:02] ya, me too [03:02] They have classes on that? [03:02] js/html/css [03:02] I guess [03:02] english comp? [03:02] I needed 2 more credits to hit my 12 credit hours and that one was open, so I took it [03:02] ryanakca: writing class [03:03] to make me a better writer, and a requirement if I ever decide to finish this degree [03:03] heh [03:03] Sounds like me in college. [03:03] I got a B in database theory because the teacher didn't like me correcting her, and because I did my final project in postgres rather than access. [03:03] I really wanted to take another philosophy class, but the professor I really enjoy wasn't teaching any of the honors courses this semester, so I bailed out [03:04] I just found out the teacher in my adv java class is a stickler for code formatting....I hope she tries to tell me to format it the way she does [03:05] nixternal: ah === viviersf [n=cain@gw.impilinux.co.za] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Tonio_ [n=tonio@mst45-2-82-242-83-37.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === rbrunhuber [n=Miranda@highway.mvi.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === kwwii_ [n=kwwii@p5495706D.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === sebas_ [i=sebas@belphegor.deadlysins.nl] has joined #kubuntu-devel [04:46] Riddell: want the systemsettings patch to commit svn ? package is ready on my own === _StefanS_ [n=sfs@cpe.atm2-0-90156.0x5734b54a.naenxx14.customer.tele.dk] has joined #kubuntu-devel [04:47] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: hey.. the patch in kde-systemsettings didn't go in. [04:47] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: still no change in kcmultiwidget.cpp, line 318. [04:47] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: FYI [04:49] Tonio_: could do, although system settings for kde 3 isn't really developed any more since we have a kde 4 version === Knightlust [n=dax@ubuntu/member/knightlust] has joined #kubuntu-devel [04:51] Riddell: okay so let's just go with a patch to the tarball, no need to waste time on that [04:51] Riddell: yeah I knew concerning kss kde4? just I didn't knew if that meant no dev on the kde3 version :) [04:51] _StefanS_: I didn't upload at the moment [04:51] _StefanS_: that's a minor fix and we're frozen [04:52] _StefanS_: I'll keep the package and will upload on thurdsay [04:52] <_StefanS_> oh ok [04:52] _StefanS_: same for kdebluetooth package [04:52] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: oka.. found a bug in adept btw. A segfault [04:52] why thursday? [04:52] isn't tribe5 supposed to come out on thursday ? [04:53] that's no reason to delay an upload [04:53] Riddell: "We have frozen the archive for Tribe 5, scheduled for Thursday" [04:53] hum oki, just that I usually do this [04:53] Riddell: no problem having the package in the queue then ? [04:53] let's go with upload :) [04:54] Riddell: btw for kdebluetooth we need a uvf exception.... [04:54] Riddell: unless you can aprove directly, I don't know [04:55] Tonio_: I already said I could probably give a general exception if it's for updating the beta to something newer without new features [04:56] Riddell: yeah I know, but does that mean I have to write the initial request so that you can "officialize" this ? [04:57] Riddell: okay, I just uploaded kdebluetooth, you know what to do :) [04:57] Tonio_: no, just you have to tell me if that's what you would be updating [04:58] Riddell: great, so kdebluetooth-1.0~beta6~r702320 was uploaded, that's it :) [04:58] just bugfixes btw [04:58] <_StefanS_> Tonio_, Riddell: I'm trying to figure out that segfault for adept, its related to commiting the package updates from repositories that are not reachable on the network. I discovered it while being of the corporate lan. [04:59] <_StefanS_> of/off [04:59] wibble [05:00] <_StefanS_> what? :D [05:00] <_StefanS_> wobble wibble wable.. must some english I dont understand [05:01] adept shouldn't crash, that's one thing its very good at [05:01] <_StefanS_> I agree. [05:01] <_StefanS_> not really that perfect. But I didnt do anything bad to it, I think it just does a piss-poor job of handling errors :) [05:05] <_StefanS_> uhm got a crash log now. I will check it later. [05:08] <_StefanS_> Riddell: did that fix for doing dpkg-reconfigure -a go into adept? [05:08] <_StefanS_> Riddell: for when it didn't finish the last time. [05:10] _StefanS_: yes, should be one of manchicken's patches [05:10] <_StefanS_> Riddell: uhm ok good. === Igorots [n=dax@ubuntu/member/knightlust] has joined #kubuntu-devel === \sh is now known as \sh_away === ryanakca grumbles about egroupware being a pita [05:32] Looks like there may be a fix to Basket that stops this crashing :) [05:32] Is anybody working on updating our package? [05:38] not that I know of [05:40] manchicken: where's the fix? === tmske [n=thomas@dD5763506.access.telenet.be] has joined #kubuntu-devel [05:43] Riddell: Since it looks like you are reviewing on REVU, I'd like to commend the work of mok@bioxray.dk to you. He's new to Ubuntu/Debian packaging, but a long time very knowlegeable KDE oriented person. [05:43] http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=22 and http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=36 [05:44] With some encouragement and just a little experience I think he could be a good KDE oriented MOTU asset. [05:44] If you look on bug #133857 there's a mention of a commit in svn for baskets that fixes the problem. [05:46] manchicken: ok [05:46] hmm. [05:47] oh did someone take ownership of basket again? === ryanakca guesses so [05:48] I thought it had been abandoned [05:49] I love that program. [05:50] I will *DIE* without baskets. [05:50] If only there were a viable scripting interface... === jpetso [n=jpetso@pnsgw1-client085.demo.tuwien.ac.at] has joined #kubuntu-devel === maniacmusician [n=maniacmu@24-151-1-102.dhcp.nwtn.ct.charter.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel [06:01] ScottK: advocated 22 [06:01] Cool. [06:02] 36 seems to be waiting a response [06:02] 36 looks good. I'm just building it now. [06:03] Riddell: Do you want those comments on 22 cleaned up before I upload it for him? [06:03] ScottK: may as well [06:04] that package uses templates to an evil extent [06:04] typical end of line "...ctionary, BTK::IO::Dictionary > > > > > > > > > > > >] " [06:05] even adept doesn't use them that much [06:05] OK. [06:12] Riddell: I advocated 36. === meduxa [i=agustin@213.231.80.16.static.user.ono.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel [06:18] hi meduxa === DaSkreech [n=skreech@katapult/ninja/daskreech] has joined #kubuntu-devel === xRaich[o] 2x [n=raichoo@i5387E213.versanet.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel [06:19] do you know how to get from north tenerief airport to costa adeje at 23:00? [06:20] walk. [06:20] hi [06:20] jur [06:20] Hobbsee: it's 40km away and we'll have luggage! [06:20] Riddell: and? [06:21] no no, it is 90 Km away [06:21] Riddell: be a good bit of exercise. :P [06:21] see, way too far [06:21] don't worry [06:21] I'll take you there [06:21] you will? [06:21] if the organization cannot do it [06:21] won't you be on gran canaria? [06:21] this is a week before the conference [06:22] I'll ask them them before you care comming [06:22] I live in Tenerife [06:22] R. dale lives in Gran Canaria [06:22] oh, my mistake [06:23] if it is one week before the conf. I'll take you there [06:23] are you renting a car finally? [06:24] we're unsure [06:24] which hotel are staying in [06:24] ? [06:24] would be another expense, and I'm a bad enough driver when I'm on the correct side of the road [06:24] meduxa: that requires someone being able to drive it [06:24] jejeje === Hobbsee is now greatful that australia is surrounded by water. [06:24] esmeralda playa hotel [06:25] which day? [06:25] meduxa: he'll drown before he drives far enough to try and run me over. yay! [06:25] jejejejejeje [06:25] saturday september 8th [06:26] as I said, I'll take you there, don't worry [06:27] and I'll take you to visit the north part of the island wednesday or thursday [06:27] ok, great === Hobbsee hopes that meduxa can drive better than Riddell can, incidently :P === Mez [n=Mez@ubuntu/member/mez] has joined #kubuntu-devel === kwwii_ is now known as kwwii [06:28]