Angelusa user in the group "bin" can run everything?12:35
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lakshmi_Hi everyone. *Quick one*. Whats the equivalent key for F8 key (Beryl=>preview of all open applications) in Compiz Fusion12:37
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nosrednaekimlakshmi_: #compiz, or #ubuntu-effects12:39
parsniphey all12:39
parsnipive made a service menu as best i could12:40
parsnipbut its not showing when i right click mp3s12:40
parsnipcan anyone advise?12:40
lakshmi_I just realised :) Sorry nosrednaekim.12:40
nosrednaekimlakshmi_: not a problem. just that ther are more knowledgeable people there12:41
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tazgodx_anyone tried LinuxMCE?12:41
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about linuxmce - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi12:42
tazgodx_take that as a no?12:43
parsniptazgodx_: not myself, let me google12:43
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tazgodx_there is a demo video12:43
tazgodx_thats main page12:44
parsniplooks pretty sweet dude12:44
parsnipwhats up with it?12:45
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tazgodx_i don't know, looks sweet, but seems too good to be true. and before i wipe out my mythtv box, i was wondering if it really worked that good, and if anyone knew a list of the hardware they used in that video12:46
zblachok. i've got a shell question. I have 20 files, and another file with 20 lines in it. what I'd like to do is ouput one file, then the first line, then the second file, then the second line ...12:46
zblachhow would I accomplish this?12:46
nosrednaekimzblach: #bash12:47
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parsniptazgodx_: it does look pretty damn sweet12:50
parsniptazgodx_: the remote is AWESOME12:50
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tazgodx_i found out what remote he is useing, but it still seems too good to be true12:50
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tazgodx_im a little hessitant to wipe my mythtv box for it yet12:51
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parsniptaz: get a 20gb hdd from someplace and try it12:51
parsniptazgodx_: how much is it?12:51
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parsniptazgodx_: for the remote?12:52
gorgonizerdoes anyone know if it possible to get an asus m2v motherboard to behave itself with Kubuntu (have tried Feisty and now using Gutsy Gibbon Tribe 3)?  Fiesty always installed but failed to boot and Gutsy works, but after a period of time my SATA drive fails to work, as does my friends brand new 500GB SATA drive12:52
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parsnipgorgonizer: yuoo tried hdparm12:53
parsnipor is it param12:53
parsnipgorgonizer: youu might need to tweak it a bit12:53
gorgonizerroot@sweetleaf:~# hdparm -I /dev/sda212:54
gorgonizer/dev/sda2: HDIO_DRIVE_CMD(identify) failed: Input/output error12:54
tazgodx_parsnip: http://fiire.com/fiire-chief.php12:54
gorgonizerthe weird thing is, when I first boot into the system, it works fine, I can watch the films/vids I have on it, it seems to 'degrade' over time...12:54
parsniptazgodx_: pricey but worth it12:56
parsniptazgodx_: does it not just work with mythtv??12:56
tazgodx_well, LinuxMCE is a total new install, needs to reformat the HDDs12:56
tazgodx_installs from scratch12:56
tazgodx_from what i understand it uses mythtv for controlling TVs and recording12:57
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nosrednaekimgorgonizer: weird... file a bug report.12:58
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nosrednaekimwish you sould instal linuxMCE from a reporitory.12:58
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gorgonizerright, will do!! gonna try ripping out the temp network card I put in (as I have got the onboard gigabit NIC working finally) to see if that helps in some weird way.. nad the un-needed SATA drive..12:59
ubotupastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)12:59
nosrednaekimgorgonizer: ok.12:59
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LopinOkay...  I'm having problems with my soundcard...01:00
drbeamsbwc43xx-fwcutter install through adept is causing a crash - http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/34582/01:00
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fraxwhen I watch a movie in kaffeine I get <font color = xxx > "Subtible message" </font> ..  how do I make kaffeine understand that it should format the subtitle not print the formating? thanks01:00
LopinLinux can't find my soundcard...01:00
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rossoSakkath: how was your upgrade?01:01
Sakkathrosso: it was ok01:01
rossoSakkath: congrats :)01:02
Sakkathrosso: ty01:02
ubotuIf you're having problems with sound, first ensure ARTS is running, by going to K Menu -> System Settings -> Sound System and making sure "Enable the sound system" is checked. If that fails, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Sound - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting - For playing audio files, see !Players and !MP301:03
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parsniphey all01:11
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parsnipcan someone verify this syntax for me please01:12
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parsnipExec=/bin/sh -c "newArtist=`kdialog --Artist "Enter the new artist"`;id3tag -a $newArtist %u"01:13
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drbeamshi, adept manager won't open.  it says that something else is using it01:14
stdinone to many quotes and you actually don't need the "/bin/sh -c" part01:14
Tm_T!adeptcrashfix | drbeams01:15
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stdindrewcipher_: open konsole and run "sudo fuer -vik /var/lib/dpkg/lock ; sudo dpkg --configure -a"01:15
stdindrewcipher_: open konsole and run "sudo fuser -vik /var/lib/dpkg/lock ; sudo dpkg --configure -a"01:15
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Tm_Tstdin: yup, ubotu doesn't make any errors01:16
BluesKajerr drbeams ...read above01:16
drbeamsbcm43xx-fwcutter is foobared01:16
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stdinI can't type any more, so I'll stop01:17
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the-ermHey ... my /etc/resolve.conf keeps getting changed, anyone know what is changing it?01:18
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Tm_Tblack_one: stop nickspam01:18
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Tm_Tthe-erm: dhcp, or, knetworkmanager, or any similar01:18
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parsnipstdin: thanks for the advice man. do you mean ' or "s01:18
drewcipher_stdin? I'll get right on it.01:19
Tm_Tdrewcipher_: nah01:19
the-ermTm_T: I believe I have knetworkmanager set up properly.01:19
pingvenoIs there some sort of a web service interface planned to directly access the text of Wikipedia?01:19
the-ermI guess I should double check.01:19
Tm_Tthe-erm: well, it handles it then01:20
pingvenoI'm thinking about making a bot, but I don't want to put much load on the server.01:20
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stdinparsnip: basically  " Exec=id3tag -a $(kdialog --Artist "Enter the new artist") %u " would work01:20
stdinparsnip: tho I think it's %U not %u01:21
the-ermTm_T: something is changing it, even if I set it in knetworkmanager.  I'll set it once, come back a few weeks later and then it's back to the old version.  I guess I'll just set up a cron job that copies the resolve.conf I want every 15 minutes or so.01:22
Biovorethe-erm: on wifi?01:23
Biovoreor dhcp?01:23
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parsnipstdin: cheers man, ive been on this all night01:23
parsnipi'll check the %u /01:23
parsnipstdin: capital U is for multiples01:24
the-ermBiovore: that's the weird thing about it, I'm running a static ip.01:24
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Biovorethe-erm: is /etc/network/interfaces setup for static?01:25
stdinparsnip: would work wither way then01:25
parsnipstdin: true :)01:26
Tm_Tthe-erm: I bet it's dhcp01:27
the-ermBiovore, Tm_T: http://pastebin.ca/666256 // nope that sucker is static01:27
Biovorewell knetwork manager sometimes does weird stuff..  Its a susey thing.. go figure..01:27
Biovorethe-erm: yup.. I say thats a static config..01:28
Tm_Tthe-erm: if you have dhcp running...01:28
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the-ermps -A | grep dh  == 4946 ?        00:00:00 dhcdbd // hmmm01:30
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the-ermI think I'll just skip it and run cp /etc/resolv.conf.force /etc/resolv.conf every 15 minutes.01:31
NamShubis there anyway to add feed from firefox to akregator?01:31
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M_42does anyone here know what mode ext3 is in by default in feisty???01:32
magicalmooseHey guys, I have a problem. First off, I can't run beryl manager without running it on the terminal or using a command, and when it finally runs, my entire screen freezes, the background turns black, and the title bar (minimize, exit, restore, etc) goes away, and I have to keep restarting my computer, so yeah, if anyone could help me, that would be awesome.01:33
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BluesKaj!beryl | magicalmoose01:35
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magicalmooseI'm sorry, I must sound stupid, I'm kinda new to kubuntu and irc and whatnot, explain again?01:37
BluesKajhmmm for sure ...where's ubotu ?01:37
mneptokon strike01:37
magicalmoosehelp me?01:38
BluesKajmagicalmoose, check in #ubuntu-effects01:38
mneptokhe wants better wages and clean diapers.01:38
magicalmoosethanks, blueskaj01:38
the-ermI want better wages and clean diapers ... or at least someone else to change them for me.01:39
BluesKajuse the bathroom , or you're too young orold to be here :)01:40
azhey, i downloaded the nvidia driver from the nvidia homepage (filename.run), but how do i install it on Kubuntu ?01:40
the-erm* the diapers aren't for me, but the kids *01:41
azthats what i would say to01:42
azcan anyone help me ?01:42
the-ermaz I think you need to set the execute bit chmod +x filename.run01:43
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magicalmooseBluesKaj, #ubuntu-effects didn't help me01:44
BluesKajaz,  in the terminal : sh ./driverfilename.run01:44
azyess, i got it, but now it says exit X01:45
azhow ?01:45
aztelinit    3?01:45
BluesKajsorry magicalmoose, my beryl knowledge is practically nonexistent since I don't use it :(01:46
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magicalmooseokay. well thanks anyway01:48
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alan__Problem: Text is too small.01:48
elvirolo2hi all01:48
alan__in all KDE aplications01:48
elvirolo2my usb key is not detected01:48
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aaroncampbellOn my last few updates with adept, I got a warning saying that changes couldn't be committed, even though it seems they were (it shows no packages available for update).  What might be causing this?  I wonder if it's related to the fact that I install Eclipse, but it doesn't work.01:51
aaroncampbellIs there a way for me to see what the cause was?01:51
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Biovoredoes the usb key show yup in dmesg01:52
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azhow do i close the X server ?01:53
Biovorectrl-alt-backspace will restar tthe X server..  (log you out as well)01:53
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the-ermthen you can click the power button and turn off the computer.01:54
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BluesKajBiovore,that's more info than we need01:57
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alan__No funcion.02:03
alan__El texto sigue muy pequeo.02:04
mneptok!es > alan__02:04
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mneptok /join #ubuntu-es02:05
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alan__ah, ok. Gracias. And sorry x_x02:06
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azzcoHello how do I install a specific version of a package?02:07
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azzcoI need to install gammu 1.10.6 but I can only see 1.11 version in adept02:07
Biovoreazzco: I download the deb and install it..02:07
azzcoI need to find the package manually?02:07
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intelikeyooops sorry02:08
flaccidazzco: http://blog.andrewbeacock.com/2007/03/how-to-install-specific-version-of.html02:09
flaccidi think that should help02:09
kaminix2Any idea as to why the "ad row [to table] " option would be dimmed in KWord?02:09
azzcoThanks I'll check it out then :)02:09
flaccidfailing that, there is more in google02:09
flaccidcoffee time02:09
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hamadooowhy i can't use my mic02:15
hamadooothe same mic i can use it in windows02:15
hamadooobut  i can't use it in ubuntu02:15
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intelikeyinput volume too low or muted ?      wrong input device selected ?02:16
hamadooohow i select the device02:17
flaccidtry that plus kmix02:17
hamadoooplus what02:17
Biovoresome sound devices the mic dosn't work.. or its half-duplex..02:17
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intelikeyflaccid any good with sound issues ?    i can hardly hear any sound here if all is very very quiet, i hear most faint sound from the speakers.      i've checked all i know to check, still the same.    ???02:18
doug_if i wrote a script file with the #! /bin/sh on top and then put a rovclock command under that, and put the file into /etc/init.d and changed it to root ownership, would it execute the command at boot?02:18
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flaccidintelikey: unfortunately not. i do not agree with sound on linux as it forks unix. also is poorly documented if at all. sound is hit and miss on linux02:22
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flaccidintelikey: which sound card?02:23
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intelikeyheh.   well it's always hit until now for me.  this is the first box that has given any trubble.02:23
flaccidhmm they have improved the wiki but, interesting http://www.alsa-project.org/main/index.php/Main_Page02:24
intelikeyerrummm it's calling it ac9702:24
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flaccidthat one should be np02:24
intelikeyit's a   sis02:24
flaccidaltough ac97 is not the chip02:24
flaccidah yep02:24
intelikeyi'll post the info give me a sec.02:24
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flaccidthe intel ich and ati ac97 work fine in alsa. maybe its because its a sis02:25
flaccidis it turned up in kmix / alsamixer?02:25
intelikeyhere's  lshw   http://ubuntu.pastebin.us/3908602:25
flacciddo you get same vol problem with aplay?02:25
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intelikeyhere's lspci  http://ubuntu.pastebin.us/3908702:26
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intelikeyflaccid aplay ?       <blinks>02:26
elvirolo2how do i install ati proprietary drivres under kubuntu fesity ?02:27
intelikey!ati | elvirolo202:27
flaccidintelikey: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=20544902:27
intelikeyis ubotu dead ?02:27
flaccidintelikey: this is it? configuration: driver=Trident4DWaveAudio02:27
flaccidlooks like it02:27
intelikeyflaccid yeah it's auto loading the trident driver02:28
flaccidits possible this thread could help or maybe not http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=238446&page=402:29
elvirolo2still, could anyone help me ?02:29
elvirolo2i know there's a tool for that in ubuntu02:29
flaccidi'll get you the link02:29
elvirolo2thank you02:30
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elvirolo2flaccid: thanks02:31
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intelikeyflaccid  http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=205449  is un-usable in cli mode.  the lines don't warp.02:34
intelikeyaplay -l does list the card though02:34
flaccidi don't know what you mean sorry intelikey02:34
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intelikeycan't read the page.    i see the first eighty chars of the line then th\nso i can't really tell what it's saying about that.02:35
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flacciduse a gui browser then02:36
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flaccidkubuntu is after all a desktop operating system :)02:36
intelikeyinstall a gui to get sound working.     don't be dificult.02:36
flaccidi can't help it if you can't read a web page and the ubuntu are using non free forums that are not web standards..02:37
draikintelikey: Audio doesn't work without a GUI?02:37
draikWhat about espeak?02:37
intelikeyso by your defanition "desktop" means "gui desktop"   hmmm02:37
flaccidi didn't define it, no02:37
intelikeyok.   well   i just wanted to point out that the page is not cli friendly.02:38
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flaccidlol the whole forums is non free and non web standards/semantic02:39
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flacciddoco team don't care as usual02:39
intelikeyas usual02:39
Eeyore-Jrhi.  i need to repair a adept installation.  i need to reset the config for a package.  how do i do that?02:39
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intelikeydpkg-reconfigure -plow <packagename>02:40
intelikeyBluesKaj ubotu seems to be AWOL02:40
flaccidtime to go on a vpn02:40
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BluesKajyeah  intelikey , seems so02:41
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draikHow do I edit video clips? I want to get a few snipettes of video from some videos I have.02:46
BluesKajdraik, try avidemux02:47
draikBluesKaj: I just got rid of all these apps... dvd-slideshow ffmpeg k3b libavcodeccvs51 libavformatcvs51 libfaad0 qdvdauthor transcode02:49
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BluesKajdraik, try tovid and check the dependencies required cuz they also share other video apps : http://tovid.wikia.com/wiki/Main_Page02:53
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Eeyore-Jrthe proper way in aptitude is "sudo aptitude purge <package-name>02:54
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draikBluesKaj: It's ok for now. Would you know how to crop out video with avidemux?02:54
BluesKajno draik, sorry :(02:55
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BluesKajdraik, check this page : http://avidemux.sourceforge.net/doc/en/index.html02:57
drewcipher_draik:  editing with avidemux can be done right in the UI through the controls.  You should see A/ and /B type icons that allow you to mark the section you want, copy, paste, etc.02:58
drewcipher_not working?02:59
draikThank you for the link02:59
draikI was just toying with the app first02:59
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draikCool. Got it done!03:02
draikThank you BluesKaj03:02
flaccidanybody got cisco vpn client compiled against gutsy03:03
flaccidprobably not03:05
Biovorenope..  close source binary an't it?03:05
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DragnslcrAnyone know if it's possible to have a game pad considered input as far as stuff like monitor power saving and Kopete idle time is concerned?03:10
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semistud2354hey for some reason my usb stick dosnt mount wen i plug it in03:26
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semistud2354i tryed on my windows comp and it didnt work right03:26
semistud2354it told me to format it03:26
semistud2354but when i tryed it just messed up03:26
jhutchinssemistud2354: Dead.03:26
hitmanWillysemistud2354, sounds like it went bad03:26
semistud2354srry didnt mess up...it just said cannot format usb03:26
jhutchinssemistud2354: That's what happens when they die.03:27
hitmanWillysemistud2354, still sounds dead03:27
semistud2354omg...i just opend it03:27
semistud23543 days ago03:27
hitmanWillyyou may want to take it back, then :)03:27
semistud2354i dunno if this was the thing03:28
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semistud2354i had this...easy scandisk....program03:28
semistud2354that would pop up when i inserted it into my windows omp03:28
semistud2354i deleted that...03:28
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nosrednaekimmanchicken: seems the bot is dead03:28
semistud2354you guys think...maby thats why its not workin03:28
manchickennosrednaekim: I can't seem to get networking in qemu to work.03:29
hitmanWillysemistud2354, not sure, but i doubt it03:29
nosrednaekimmanchicken: did you install bridge-utils?03:29
manchickenI'm about to.03:29
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manchickenNever have I seen any docs saying that was the way to go...03:30
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semistud2354dammit.....thanx guys....03:30
manchickennosrednaekim: What now?03:30
nosrednaekimmanchicken: I think its a recommended package.03:31
nosrednaekimmanchicken: I don't know :) never did it myself03:31
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jhutchinsActually, it could be if he just formatted it it would work.03:32
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nosrednaekimmanchicken: sorry.03:37
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manchickennp.  I found a page that has some info03:37
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manchickenI may have spoken too soon :)03:39
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aaron_who's got problems with torrents being slow on thier linux machine, where as, they are very fast on thier windows machine? same torrent. same internet connection?03:45
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BluesKajaaron , are using a router ?03:53
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aaron_BluesKaj: of course. iptables router.03:56
aaron_yes, ports are forwarded correctly.03:56
aaron_in widnows, they are fast. same torrent on linux box, slow.03:56
aaron_ktorrent, azureus, utorrent under wine.03:56
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aaron_i've found some other threads and googled some other people with similar problems, but no answers03:57
aaron_is ktorrent in particular, bad?03:57
BluesKajutorrent in wine runs very well too on my setup and ktorrent is about the same03:58
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aaron_i'll have to do some more particular testing later with known fast torrents. (openoffice or something)03:58
aaron_utorrnet stinks becuase the speedlimits don't work.03:59
flaccidopera isnt bad for torrents04:00
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aaron_i like ktorrent and azureus04:01
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flaccidi like azureus, but it has problems from time to time04:01
aaron_it doesn't like ot use it's assigned port.04:01
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BluesKajazureus is a hog , but some ppl swear by it04:02
aaron_i always used it in windows until utorrent started working well. that thing is amazing.04:02
flaccidits ok. i don't think any bt client is near perfect04:02
AzzcoI'm reinstalling feisty and I've ran into some troubles with this install before. grub not working correctly..04:02
flacciddefine not working correctly..04:03
AzzcoDoes the installer CD do anythig after it asks you to eject the CD?04:03
AzzcoDisplays GRUB then freeze04:03
flaccidhard freeze?04:03
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aaron_hrm.. ktorrent won't open in gnome.04:03
AzzcoIf you mean that only a hard reste fixes it then yes04:03
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aaron_dont' wanna reset :)04:04
flaccidif grub is configured properly and init is ok then its possible its hardware, otherwise could be anything04:04
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Eeyore-Jr! broadcom04:04
bkudriacan some help me set up pam-ssh?  i've followed all the directions in the README.Debian, but I'm prompted for the passphrase each time anyway.  has anyone got this working?04:04
MinatakuAzzco: I've found it adviseable to follow EVERY direction04:04
MinatakuTypically, I let it reset itself after it asks you to eject04:04
AzzcoOkay just wondering if it's some final step after the CD ejects as the gutsy install worked perfectly =/04:04
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scrubbI keep getting a SIGSEGV every time KDE starts up.04:05
MinatakuEeyore-Jr: Give up, it would seem the bot is out of service04:05
scrubbCould someone help me figure out why?04:05
aaron_torrent doesn't need a udp port does it?04:05
flaccidscrubb: try #kde04:05
aaron_just tcp?04:05
AzzcoMinataku: what do you mean?04:05
MinatakuAzzco: Don't power down the machine yourself after install04:05
MinatakuLet it reset or halt by itself04:05
AzzcoWell it freezes and I left it for half an hour last time04:06
scrubbWell it's always the Power Manager application that crashes.  Is that part of KDE specifically?04:06
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AzzcoOkay I'll do that then, thanks Minataku04:06
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MinatakuOnce it's halted properly, THEN you can power off/restart04:06
MinatakuYeah, I ran into a similar issue with some other thing04:06
aaron_ok. downloading openoffice (FAST torrent) on my 10mbit/1.2mbit cable modem... getting 83kb per second down.04:06
MinatakuWhen it says to eject, it's typically not done04:06
nosrednaekimscrubb: no.. its not. thats devolped by kubuntu04:06
AzzcoI'll watch TTY1 when it's time then :)04:06
nosrednaekimscrubb: do you have a laptop?04:07
scrubbThen I'm in the right channel. =)04:07
MinatakuIt follows up with some cleanup afterwards and shuts down normally04:07
scrubbI suppose I should have specified that from the start.04:07
scrubbSo guidance-power-manager.py crashes at login with a SIGSEGV error.04:07
flaccidthere is no way you can accurately test bt clients... there are too many variables04:07
scrubbAnybody have any ideas?04:08
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nosrednaekimscrubb: I think there is a bug by that name actually04:08
flaccidscrubb: what version of ubuntu04:08
dwidmann_It's malnourishment. We just didn't feed him enough botsnacks :(04:08
aaron_flaccid: it's obvious when a torrent downloads at 800kb/second on windows machine, and then change the port to your linux box, and it goes at 80kb per sec.04:09
nosrednaekimand over work in the ubuntu channel04:09
scrubbflaccid, feisty04:09
nosrednaekimscrubb: try running "guidance-power-manager" from a konsole04:09
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scrubbNosrednaekim: crashes immediately.04:10
dwidmann_nosrednaekim: developed by kubuntu, but last I checked it's in kde svn isn't it?04:10
flaccidaaron_: yes but you are downloading at a dif time with different people sharing with different speeds, etc. you could even close the bt client on windows and resume and not get the large speed again. also the transfer settings for each bt client will be different. if you are using a java client, you need sun java.04:10
nosrednaekimscrubb: any error?04:10
nosrednaekimdwidmann_: yeah.. thats a qt4 version04:10
flaccidscrubb: did you try #kde04:10
nosrednaekimdwidmann_: but its basically developed by a kubuntu dev.04:10
nosrednaekimflaccid: its not a problem ith kde04:11
flaccidhow do you know?04:11
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flaccidwhat is the problem with04:11
aaron_I've got sun java :)04:11
nosrednaekimflaccid: cause I know the dev04:11
flaccidthe dev of  what?04:11
nosrednaekimhis name is Lure.04:12
nosrednaekimof guidance-power-manager04:12
aaron_are there any linux torrent clients that don't need a gui? use a web interface or something like that?04:12
flaccidok if you think its just that then ok cool04:12
scrubbOK, so I've got a backtrace from KCrash...04:12
flaccid!info rtorrent04:12
flaccidyeah rtorrent04:12
flaccidthere are crappy web ones as well04:12
nosrednaekimscrubb: pastebin it.04:13
AzzcoInstall complete wish my GL with the shutdown ;)04:13
aaron_heh, don't need one that's crappy. just one to run ON my router.04:13
scrubbaaron_: Some trackers don't like web-based clients and will ban you.04:13
BluesKajOpera browser has a decent torrent client04:13
dwidmann_it wouild seem ubotu isn't even in the channel. Surprise Surprise04:13
flaccidrtorrent is good04:13
bkudriacan some help me set up pam-ssh?  i've followed all the directions in the README.Debian, but I'm prompted for the passphrase each time anyway.  has anyone got this working?04:13
aaron_just looking for something to run on a basically headless server.04:13
flaccidubotu isn't on the server either04:13
aaron_i'll look at rtorrent04:13
flaccidbkudria: nntr04:13
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bkudriaflaccid: i'm sorry?  what is nntr?04:14
Tm_Tnosrednaekim: yes?04:14
flaccidno need to repeat04:14
nosrednaekimscrubb: lol... bot is down look in the channel topic04:14
aaron_or, www.pastebin.com04:14
bkudriaflaccid: oh. :)04:14
nosrednaekimTm_T: bot is gone..04:14
scrubbI always forget the address. =(04:14
Tm_Tnosrednaekim: I know04:14
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flaccidbkudria: google has a lots on it...04:15
Tm_Tnosrednaekim: else?04:15
nosrednaekimTm_T: can you get ubot3 from the ubuntu channel over here?04:15
bkudriaflaccid: i've searched and tried and expirmented, i still cannot get it to work04:15
Tm_Tnot sure04:15
flaccidbkudria: try #ubuntu and ##linux04:15
Hobbseenosrednaekim: ?04:16
bkudriaflaccid: ok, thanks, i'll try04:16
Tm_THobbsee: nothing, move along04:16
nosrednaekimHobbsee: Tm_T is taking care of it.. don't orry04:16
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Tm_Tnosrednaekim: we'll see it when people wake up04:17
flaccidscrubb: i'd try purging any packages related and reinstalling them to make sure you got right versions etc.04:17
Tm_Tnosrednaekim: thanks for worrying tho ;)04:17
nosrednaekimTm_T: ok thanks... :)04:17
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Tm_Tnosrednaekim: next time maybe come say hello in #ubuntu-ops ;)04:18
nosrednaekimTm_T: ok sorry04:18
nosrednaekimdidn't know04:19
nosrednaekimscrubb: ok.. odd. search launchpad to see if someone has already files a related bug04:19
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scrubbnosred: what/where is launchpad?04:19
flaccidgoogle.com reveals sites like launchpad pretty quick on search04:20
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nosrednaekimscrubb: thats the bug/ development site for ubuntu04:20
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LoneShadowanyone using xosview ?04:23
nosrednaekimwhats that>04:23
LoneShadowwondering if there is anything better than that04:23
LoneShadowits a cpu/memory monitor04:23
BluesKajlaunchpad is fine for similar probs as ppl may have but provides absolutely no solutions ...what good does google do by listing it first ...nothing04:24
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BluesKajcommiseration is fine , but ppl wanmt solutions to their probs not mere agreement 'yeah i got that prob too'..what good is that04:26
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geniiBluesKaj: I agree04:26
BluesKajhi genii04:27
scrubbnosred: checked launchpad site just now.  Nothing relevant under "power manager"04:27
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AngelusBlueDevil !04:27
Angelus* BluesKaj04:27
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nosrednaekimLoneShadow: try ctrl+esc04:28
BluesKajbut thx anyway , Angelus :)04:29
Angelusfor nothing dude ;)04:29
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sharkbrainguyI just installed kde/kubuntu over my existing gnome/ubuntu install and in kde using the GIMP right clicking on the image doesn't bring up the usual menu. Does anyone know how to fix this?04:29
BluesKajall my other bandmembers smoke04:29
tazgodx_anyone know how i can set up a FTP server remotely? i want to set up a FTP server on my mythtv box.04:30
nosrednaekimsharkbrainguy: hmm let me check that out04:30
scrubbnosred:  No luck on launchpad so far.  Any ideas?04:30
Angelusyou have a band BluesKaj?04:30
sharkbrainguynosrednaekim: cheers04:30
BluesKajyeah Angelus , just a bunch of old rockers04:31
nosrednaekimsharkbrainguy: I get a nice little menu when I right-click04:31
sharkbrainguy... hmmm04:31
nosrednaekimsharkbrainguy: what do you get?04:31
sharkbrainguyno reaction04:32
nosrednaekimsharkbrainguy: hmmm04:32
sharkbrainguycrazy huh?04:32
Angelusi like rock BluesKaj , dough my fav is rap/hiphop/gangsta rap04:32
LoneShadownosrednaekim:  found conky, trying out instead04:32
sharkbrainguyit could be the ati driver I installed04:32
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nosrednaekimI have the ati driver installed too04:32
sharkbrainguyI was following the principle of "make as many radical changes as I can at once"04:32
nosrednaekimso you can't tell what broke it04:33
sharkbrainguyyeah exactly04:33
sharkbrainguythe fair test principle only depresses me04:33
sharkbrainguyeverything else works great in the GIMp04:33
BluesKajAngelus, i can't identify with that ghetto/gangta/rap...too old :)04:33
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nosrednaekimscrubb: did you find the bug?04:34
Angelushow much old are you then ?04:34
Angelus30s ?04:34
flaccidBluesKaj: people are unrealisticly demanding :(04:35
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flaccidtazgodx_: install something like vsftpd or proftpd would be easiest. should be stuff on the wiki04:35
nosrednaekimscrubb: hmm....ok... file a new bug then04:35
geniiI wonder if they're ever demandingly realistic04:35
BluesKajheh, 64 Angelus...grandfather / dinosaur drummer04:36
scrubbIn other words, you don't have a clue how to solve it? ;)04:36
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nosrednaekimsharkbrainguy: try reinstalling gimp04:36
nosrednaekimscrubb: precisely.04:36
sharkbrainguyyeah? okay04:36
scrubbOk.  Well, I have a smaller problem that maybe you know about...04:37
Angeluswow you're 64 BluesKaj04:37
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scrubbWhen I start up, the sound only comes out of the right speaker.  As soon as I move the volume slider, it comes out of both.  What's going on?04:37
nosrednaekimscrubb: shoot!04:37
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BluesKajyeah, as of last week04:37
Angelusand you sound 20s/30s the way you talk04:37
nosrednaekimscrubb: you got an ATI?04:37
scrubbNo.  NVIDIA04:38
nosrednaekimscrubb: oh.hmm04:38
sharkbrainguymaybe the ubuntu studio graphics package was being silly about something04:38
BluesKajAngelus,???...how is some one who's my age supposed to speak ?04:38
namolyou're supposed to sound old and crotchety04:39
sharkbrainguyand tell us to get off of your lawn04:39
namolGet off my lawn, you whipper snappers04:39
sharkbrainguywith impeccable grammar04:39
Angelushmm BluesKaj dont know where you leave, but in my country , people over 60 doesnt know what a computer is , and they're also anoying some of them :/.04:39
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BluesKajnamol, oh I can ...np there if you guys keep this up :)04:39
Angelusbut yeah, my country is still not that advanced like other countries hehe04:40
dthackerwhat are all you people doing on my lawn?04:40
scrubb"expunge thyselves from my property lest I smite theeQ!"04:40
BluesKaj<--- Canada, retired labtech guy ...worked with applications computers since 198304:40
scrubber disregard the Q04:41
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sharkbrainguyright click menus in Gimp are still non-existent fro me04:41
nosrednaekimsharkbrainguy: od odd odd04:41
sharkbrainguyisn't it04:41
Angelusah you live in canada BluesKaj , i live on a piece of island in the middle of the mediterenean sea, europe.04:41
sharkbrainguymaybe I should just do a clean install of kubuntu04:42
sharkbrainguyI've installed so many random packages04:42
BluesKajwhich island , Angelus ?04:42
nosrednaekimsharkbrainguy: maybe...04:42
AngelusBlueDevil:  Malta04:42
geniiAccording to US weather maps Canada doesn't exist.... we are a big blank space between a nice clean nothern border and the island of Alaska04:42
nosrednaekimAngelus: sweet... that thing got really beat up in WW204:42
Angelusyeah lol04:42
geniiYeah more ammo dumped on Maltathan anywhere else04:43
Angelusbut still lives dough ;p04:43
nosrednaekimits all that limestone I read04:43
BluesKajnice , Angelus ...I've chatted with a fella from Malta about audio equipment a few yrs back04:43
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BluesKajhehe been watching FoxNews again eh genii :)04:44
scrubbQuestion:  Will it do any damage if I uninstall guidance-power-manager?04:44
Angelusthis island survived many wars04:44
geniiBluesKaj: It's like a bad train wreck, I can't look away...04:44
LoneShadowIn Ubuntu to add a startup program I have to add it under System->Preferences->Sessions, whats the equivalent in KDE/Kubuntu ?04:44
hitmanWillyLoneShadow, link it in ~/.kde/Autostart04:45
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nosrednaekimscrubb: noep.. it won;t04:45
geniiintelikey: Thanks :)04:45
LoneShadowhitmanWilly: but no other way than editing Autostart ? :)04:46
hitmanWillyLoneShadow, not that i know of04:46
BluesKajk-menu /menu editor will also work , LoneShadow04:46
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BluesKajoh autostart , sorry ...misread that LoneShadow04:47
Angelusif i want to install a package from kvirc's site, but i already have kvirc installed from Adept, should i remove this one first?04:47
LoneShadownot sure what k-menu/menu editor is, I installed KDE-Desktop on Ubuntu. My Menu icons are all messed up04:47
LoneShadowI dont even get KControl on the Menu :(04:47
AngelusLoneShadow:  press the big K button on your desktop, right click in the menu and "edit menu"04:48
LoneShadoweither my installed failed, or "aptitude install kde-desktop" is having some bugs04:48
LoneShadowAngelus:  ok that works :D04:48
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BluesKajLoneShadow, have you installed kubuntu-desktop ?04:49
LoneShadowBluesKaj: yes04:49
AngelusBluesKaj: how can i install a kernel from kernel.org on kubuntu ? is it posible ?04:49
LoneShadowBluesKaj: when I install kubuntu-desktop, am I supposed to see KControl (Control Center?) on the main menu ?04:50
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hitmanWillyLoneShadow, its System Settings now, IIRC04:50
hitmanWillyLoneShadow, though kcontrol is still there04:51
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LoneShadowyea Kcontrol is there04:51
BluesKajLoneShadow, no you have to alt+f2 type kcontrol04:51
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LoneShadowBluesKaj: oh thats the run window. I use terminal :D04:52
LoneShadowI was thinking the icons/links were messed up04:52
BluesKajwell, both should work :)04:52
intelikeyi've been in #alsa  trying to raise the volume enough to hear it,   but no joy.04:53
LoneShadowcoz of the Applications on the menu lost icons when I logged in thru KDE04:53
LoneShadowhad to assign them manually04:53
BluesKajintelikey, what about kmix04:53
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BluesKajweell, sacktime here ..nite all, take care04:56
intelikeyBluesKaj heh  yeah,   well i'd have to install xorg and kde and then kmix would tell me the same thing that alsamixer tells me now.  that the volume controls are ALL AT 100% and not muted.04:56
intelikeyrascal   he was too quick.04:56
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Mr_Sonomaintelikey, out of curiosity what system are you having sound troubles out of?05:03
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intelikeyMr_Sonoma it's new box "to me"  just another junker that someone dumped to everyone else.    it's a short tower case with "i think it's " asus mobo k7 cpu  on board (which i don't like) sound and vidio    sound chip is  sis trident05:05
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intelikeyoh and i'm dl'ing oss 4.0  to see if building an oss driver will get it working propperly05:07
intelikeyso lag is high.05:07
flaccidoss works fine :)05:07
level1I have a intel quad core processor... does it have HT and is kubuntu taking advantage of it?05:07
flaccidalsa most likely the problem05:07
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intelikeylevel1 cat /proc/cpuinfo05:10
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intelikeyhmmm  maybe it's k6 insted of k705:11
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intelikeymodel name      : AMD Athlon(tm) processor05:11
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intelikeycpu family      : 605:12
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intelikeynot bad for the price.   $0.00   :)    http://ubuntu.pastebin.us/3909605:13
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byonix Hi i use ubuntu feisty, i have just installed kiba dock, kiba dock-dev & kiba plugins, but how to use it, nothing appears when i click kiba dock05:14
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intelikeythat oss package  heh   http://ubuntu.pastebin.us/3909705:24
intelikeyi'd say they are in desprate need of a script05:24
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intelikeywhat! oss requires gtk+      give me a break.05:29
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level1!apt is very broken05:32
level1I friend of mine broke something on his apt, I think theres a fix for him, does anyone know what it is?05:32
level1I'll get an error message05:33
intelikeysudo dpkg -a --configure05:33
dthacker! burn iso05:34
dthackerno ubotu love for me (:05:34
dthackeranybody got a link to give a new person to tell them how to burn an iso?05:36
dthacker(I'm answering launchpad questions)05:36
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underdog5004dthacker, I would google for alex feinmans iso recorder and point them towards that.05:37
level1intelikey: so, he screwed up a compiz install... some how got compiz installed with some of its dependencies, so apt refuses to do anything until its fixed05:37
level1compiz depends on compiz-decorator; however:  Package compiz-decorator is not installed.05:37
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intelikeysudo apt-get install -f05:37
dthackerunderdog5004: thank you shoeshine boy.  You are humble and lovable.05:37
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banjooieI think that's how you do it?05:40
intelikeybanjooie ubotu is `awol'    sorry05:42
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banjooieOkay. At least I'm not just totally illiterate. In that case, uh.05:43
banjooieI have dual monitors going, but the second one seems to be stuck in 800x600.05:43
level1intelikey: E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)05:43
intelikeylevel1 and what was the error message ?05:44
intelikeyok so that sounds counter-intuitive to you.  well it's not.   i.e.   you are reporting the apt error, which is reporting the dpkg error listed higher in the same text.   find the first error message in that output.05:45
level1intelikey: compiz-plugins: Depends: compiz-core (= 1:0.5.2-0ubuntu2~ppa1) but 1:0.5.3~git20070817+3v1ubuntu0 is to be installed05:45
intelikeysudo apt-get remove compiz-core compiz-plugins          and get the repos streightened out.05:47
intelikeyor don't dl and install packages manually without first dl'ing their deps also.05:47
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level1intelikey: so, apt won't let him remove without unmet dependancies05:49
intelikeydpkg will  :)05:51
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intelikeysudo dpkg -P --force-all compiz-core compiz-plugins05:51
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intelikeysudo apt-get install -f || dpkg -a --configure05:52
intelikeysudo apt-get install -f || sudo dpkg -a --configure05:52
intelikeytwo sudo's   for the root jr. account please    with a side order of localhost to go.05:52
flaccidcan i get a sudo echo ?05:53
flaccidmore or less05:54
intelikeyif you are a root jr. you can05:57
ardchoilleWhatever happened to that CNR stuff we were supposed to get from Linspire? Is it available for kubuntu users?05:57
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Artimusardchoille: You don't get the paid stuff, as far as I know. What's the difference between Click n' Run and Adept?05:58
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intelikeyi hate trying to build software.06:01
Artimusintelikey: Do you have build-essential installed?06:01
ardchoilleArtimus: That difference is actually what I was curious about. And I wouldn't mind the paid stuff if it was actually something I would use.06:01
Artimusardchoille: I'm sure there's Crossover Office, there's a DVD player that no one cares about, Star Office...  That's about it.06:02
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hacker128shred .topsecretgovermentfile06:03
ardchoilleArtimus: I thought there was much more than that.06:03
Artimushacker128: Having fun?06:03
GullyFoyle lol06:03
Artimusardchoille: There's VMWare, but I bet they aren't reselling that.06:03
hacker128Whoops! Konversation is not bash after all!06:03
davidb___anyone here run VMWare under Kubuntu / Ubuntu?  I cannot get sound working on the guest operating system - tells me /dev/dsp is busy06:03
hacker128davidb___: Try qemu06:03
Artimusdavidb___: Do you have alsa-oss emulation setup?06:03
Artimusdavidb___: http://www.vmware.com/community/thread.jspa?threadID=4648&tstart=12006:05
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intelikeyok so you can't use /build/ as a dir for the build cause the script is going to make /build/ and build build in build       they really need a script....06:05
Artimusintelikey: It gave an error about 'cc'.  Install build-essential.06:05
intelikeyArtimus what's that ?06:06
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intelikeywho did ?06:06
Artimusintelikey: A package with GCC and other programs needed to compile software06:06
Artimusalso, what the heck are you compiling?06:06
hacker128What if you change the script to build build in ~/build/build06:06
Kr4t05kB/s = kilobytes or kilobits?06:07
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davidb___artimus: i will check that.06:08
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Artimushacker128: stop06:08
davidb___artimus: how would I know if I have that - can I use 'aptitude' to figure out if it's installed?06:08
hacker128Try synaptix06:09
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Artimusdavidb___: It won't hurt to tell it to install twice.06:09
hacker128Try synaptic06:09
banjooieSo, like. Dual monitors? Anyone?06:09
Artimushacker128: Stop giving bad advice.06:09
banjooieMy second one is stuck at 800x600 and I can't seem to change it.06:09
Artimusdavidb___: Otherwise, open up a terminal.  sudo apt-get install build-essential06:09
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davidb___artimus: ok, i have alsa-oss installed?06:12
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davidb___artimus: rather, that's a statement.  now, just try to open up VMWare?06:12
Artimusdavidb___: Did you follow the instructions in the link?  You need to fix a few things.06:12
davidb___artimus: everythign I've read  has to do w/ stoping arts06:12
stderri really hate building software....06:12
Artimusdavidb___: That's generally what I do.06:12
jeffmhi all, i'm having trouble setting up an FTP server on my lan at home. i just want to send files between machines in the most basic way possible. i get the FTP prompt, but the connection keeps on timing out. do i need to change router settings to allow FTP, even though both computers are on the same lan?06:13
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ArtimusI go into the KDE control center, sound, and disable the arts sound system.06:13
davidb___artimus: ok, lemme check out the thread.  is it just a simple matter of 'killall arts' and then start vmware normally?06:13
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stderrgrc3.c: In function 'grc3_convert':06:13
stderrgrc3.c:300: internal compiler error: Segmentation fault06:13
stderrPlease submit a full bug report,06:13
Artimusdavidb___: Disable the sound system in the KDE Control Center.  Then killall artsd06:13
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timAnyone here?06:14
stderrwhat gcc built the kernel 2.6.15 ?06:15
stderr3.4 ?06:15
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davidb___artimus: sceuse the ignorance, but what/where is the KDE Control Center?06:17
timCan anyone help me get my mouse working?06:17
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Artimusdavidb___: I'm not sure if you have a shortcut, but the fastest way is KMenu -> Run -> kcontrol06:17
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stderrdavidb___ alt+f2 and typd kcontrol06:18
davidb___artimus: ah, bam.  i got the control center at least.06:18
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timCan anyone help me get my mouse working?06:21
stderrwhat kind of mouse ?06:21
timUSB Intellimouse, the back/forward buttons don't work06:21
timI've tried following the instructions in the forums, but I can't manage to get them working06:22
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stderrnice new error    i really hate building software.    http://ubuntu.pastebin.us/3910006:26
Artimusstderr: Install build-essential06:27
stderrtim what things ?   the instruvtions or the buttons    that you can't get working ?06:27
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stderrArtimus it is intsalled.  told you that while ago06:27
Artimusstderr: Didn't see that06:27
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timThe buttons06:27
timI've edited my xorg.conf, imwheel, created the other file, and changed the permission06:28
stderrsorry.  it was about the time of my modem reset  so it may not have made it to freenode.06:28
timI had it working under Ubuntu, but I switched to Kubuntu and I can't get it to work now.06:28
stderrtim   and you know that you have to restart xorg for changes in xorg.conf to take affect ?06:29
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stderrok   you don't have the xorg.conf from the other install ??06:29
Gargantuadoes kubuntu come as a livecd?06:29
timUnfortunately no06:29
stderryep Gargantua it do06:29
timThat wasn't to you Gargantua, it does come as a live cd06:29
Gargantuais it there^ ?06:30
timYeah it's the desktop CD06:30
timit boots up as a live cd and you install from there06:30
SpartNuxHello - I have an issue with Kubuntu - I just did a fresh install and added a bunch of programs with Adept-installer - now after a powered down restart I cannot get adept installer to run - it warns of another instance running and I should shut down that app first. There is now other visible app running - any ideas/ suggestions?06:30
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stderrtim hmm well i don't know what to say.   if you follow the same path you should arrive at the same place.    unless  kcontrol  has some kde specific setting on the mouse.06:31
elpezSpartnux: look for the process and kill it on ksysguard06:31
timAlright, maybe I followed a different thread or something06:31
davidb___artimus: i get an error stating "artsdsp works only for binaries"06:31
stderrSpartNux sudo dpkg -a --configure06:32
Artimusdavidb___: Sorry, I've never really tried it.06:32
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stderrdoes one have to make a link in /lib/modules/   to have the kernel headers setup propperly or somefin ?06:33
davidb___artimus: aggg!  alrighty, man, i have been hammering my head on this one.  followed a couple dozen threads like this.06:33
Artimusdavidb___: Is arts still running?  ps aux | grep arts06:34
timI've got another question.  When I installed I partitioned my HD into a root to install the OS and programs, and another to hold my files.  Right now it's mounted in /Home, is there a way to mount it as just another disk like in Windows?06:34
davidb___artimus:  thanks for the links + advice though!06:34
davidb___artimus: just killall'd it.06:34
Artimusdavidb___: You sure I didn't tell you the wrong binary?  I can't remember if it's arts or artsd?06:34
davidb___artimus: booting the guest OS, so we'll see if it detects my sound adapter.06:34
davidb___well, i typed in 'artsdsp vmware' like the guy did in the thread.06:35
davidb___artimus: that's what gave me the error about the binary06:35
Artimusartsdsp will pipe it through arts.  I suggest using straight up alsa06:35
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davidb___artimus: alsa, what's that?  how would I use that?  i've seen about 6 different drivers/systems for running the sound.  alsa, arts, oss, and a couple others i can't remember off top of head06:36
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SpartNuxstderr - "sudo dpkg -a --configure" did the trick - ty06:36
davidb___artimus: is it a different driver?06:36
N6REJdoes anyone know how to upgrade egroupware1.2 which is include in kubuntu to 1.4?06:37
stderrSpartNux yw06:37
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Artimusdavidb___: Alsa is your main audio drivers.  Arts is a program that runs inbetween your program and alsa.06:37
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davidb___artimus: hope i don't sound too frustrated.  i really do appreciate the advice06:37
stderralsa=advanced linux sound arch06:37
stderrand that's why i'm compiling oss=open source sound06:38
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Artimusstderr: Why would you use OSS anymore?  It's deprecated06:39
stderrand i really hate compiling things      did i mention that yet ?06:39
Artimusstderr: *WHY* are you compiling?06:39
stderrArtimus cause i can't hear alsa06:39
Artimusstderr: Have you considered fixing that issue?  Rather than incorrectly trying to compile OSS?06:39
stderrArtimus cause oss 4.0 has no deb06:39
stderrArtimus how ?06:39
Artimusstderr: OSS are kernel modules06:39
ArtimusYou would build a custom kernel06:40
Artimusmake menuconfig selects them06:40
davidb___artimus: i wonder if i need to delete something from within the guest OS (win-blows XP) to get it to recognize the sound....?06:40
ArtimusWhy you're trying to compile them is beyond me06:40
Artimusdavidb___: No06:40
stderrno just the modules.     i've made kernels and did i mention i hate compiling ?06:40
Artimusstderr: Quit complaining.  Either build a kernel correctly or tell me what's your problem with alsa06:40
davidb___artimus: one thing, in that thread - it said I had to modify  the /usr/bin/artsdsp file, but my LD_PRELOAD is wrapped around a bunch of if-then-else logic.  i wonder if I have something else causing the wrong LD_PRELOAD line to get run.....06:42
stderrEither build a kernel correctly or <<<   scuse me.     i shop here all the time.   haven't seen much of you tho06:42
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timWhen I installed Kubuntu,I partitioned my HD into a root to install the OS and programs, and another to hold my files.  Right now it's mounted in /Home, is there a way to mount it as just another disk like in Windows?06:43
Artimusstderr: Alsa is the new standard.  If there's an issue with alsa, it's worth it to resolve it.06:43
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bob_evenin all06:44
timHi bob06:45
flaccidalsa sux06:45
davidb___tim: what do you mean?06:45
timWhat's unclear?06:45
davidb___tim: mount it as another disk?  like, in a differnet locatioN?06:45
timIn windows I'd have the OS and programs in C:, and my files in D:06:46
davidb___tim: ok.06:46
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davidb___tim: and, so how is it on your box right now?06:46
timIn windows I'd have the OS and programs in C:, and my files in D:06:46
bob_same config here too Tim06:47
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bob_that way when the OS goes south It's a simple reimage and all is well06:47
tima  is the OS and programs, and /Home is the files06:47
tima  / is the OS and programs, and /Home is the files06:47
tubasoldieryes, tim. that is how it works06:47
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timThat's not how I want it to work =/06:47
intelikeyArtimus worth it to reslove it ?   yeah that's what i'm trying to do.   resolve the issue  but using something else that "might" work.06:48
davidb___tim: ok, so you have one partition that you access via '/' and another partition that you access via '/Home'06:48
davidb___tim: and what do you want it to be?06:48
tubasoldierso you want your files in the root "/" partition as well?06:48
timNo, I want them in a different disk like windows06:48
Artimusintelikey: You're trying to install a depricated kernel component with a nonstandard installation procedure on a distribution not known for having an exceptional hacker userbase.06:48
bob_just mount the other drive06:48
tubasoldierok, just assign /dev/hdb as /home06:48
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timRight it is06:49
tubasoldierthen they are.06:49
tubasoldierthen there are how u want them06:49
timI have the two partitions '06:49
intelikeyArtimus correct.   and ?06:49
timBut instead of "/" and "/Home" being seperate file structures they are in the same tree06:50
tubasoldieryes. that is how *nix systems work.06:50
timIs there a way to make it not work like that?06:50
intelikeytim all file systems are in the same tree06:50
tubasoldieryeah. use windows06:50
davidb___tim: ok, so if I get you correct, you *want* two partitions on the physical disk - partition A, and partition B.06:50
tubasoldierlinux is not windows. there is no reason to make them seperate like that.06:50
Artimusintelikey: And no one is likely to help you, instead of saying you hate compiling & posting output, you could just make bzImage && make modules && make modules_install and be done.06:51
davidb___tim: you currently have this - partition A is accessed by / and partition B is access by /Home - correct?06:51
timtuba- Sure there is.  Data files and Program files should be seperate06:51
tubasoldiertim. they are.06:51
intelikeymake: *** No rule to make target `bzImage'.  Stop.06:51
intelikeylike that ?06:51
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davidb___tim: and you want what, for partition A to be access by the directory 'xxx' (fill in 'xxx' with what you want) and partition B is access by 'yyy' (fill in 'yyy' with the directory you want)06:52
intelikeyif i'm bothering you Artimus,  just overlook me for a few minutes.    i'll be don't soon06:52
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timYou know how partitions are done in Windows?06:52
Artimusintelikey: What folder are you in?06:52
timThey show up as seperate disks in explorer06:53
tubasoldierTim: it does not matter if they appear to be under the same tree they are not really. If you set them up as one disk or partition for / and one for /home then yoru os and files06:53
tubasoldierare seperate06:53
tubasoldieryes tim.06:53
tubasoldierthat is NOT how things work in the linux filesystem06:53
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timFair enough06:53
davidb___tim: what's your confusion.  that's what I"m trying to understand here.  you have two physically separate partitions currently, is this what you want?06:53
bob_ahh he wants to assign a logical drive letter to his partiton in linux... don't think you can do that Tim...06:53
tubasoldiereverything, including other disks, are all mounted under /06:54
intelikeyArtimus the build dir for the package   but it's built  (did i mention i hate building things?)  and installed   and i'm playing with the settings.   @ Artimus06:54
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Artimusintelikey: bzImage works a bit better in /usrc/src/KERNELVERSION :P06:54
davidb___tubasoldier: what about the drive I have mounted under /opt?06:54
intelikeyArtimus but i don't have the source installed  and i'm not downloading it today.06:55
davidb___tim: don't think you got your question answered.  sounds like you are Ok w/ your current setup, I think.  not sure though - never heard back06:55
Artimusintelikey: Oh...  I'm not familiar with the kernel source, but it might be trying to find files outside of its folder in the kernel source...06:56
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timIt's just a slight annoyance because they are seperate partitions06:56
sparrwill i encounter any problems installing without a keyboard?06:56
intelikeylike i said i don't have the kernel source installed06:56
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timsparr- you have to input a login/pw among other things06:58
timpretty sure you need a keyboard for that06:58
x86__HI. I need to delete some DLL's of my windows installation. But it shows that im not authorizated to do it .06:58
x86__located  @ "/media/hda1/WINDOWS/system32"06:58
Palii have problem with my webcam. I cant find driver. lsusb: "ID 0c45:612a Microdia" This webcam has chip "Sonix sn9c325AFG" I try drivers gspca, sn9c1xx but this drivers not function. Which driver have I use?06:58
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davidb___gnight all06:59
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bob_nite David07:00
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bob_I'm off to bed as well... GL all in workin out the bugs07:00
intelikeyhmmmm   well now what.07:01
intelikeyoss works just exactly like alsa did07:01
intelikeyi still can't hear it unless i put my ear upon the speaker07:01
x86__also i cant delete some files located @ my others partitions07:02
Artimusintelikey: Do you have both Master *AND* PCM turned up?07:02
intelikeyArtimus yeah i'm not a beginner.07:02
intelikeyinfact everything is at 100%07:02
intelikeyand not muted.07:02
jhutchinsintelikey: Check the connections.  Check the balance, try moving it off center.07:03
Artimusintelikey: Do you have a separate headphone jack?  Try plugging into that, that's amplified.07:03
jhutchinsThere is at least one configuration out there where the sound cancells if the ballance is centerd.07:03
intelikeyArtimus no.07:04
Artimusintelikey: Strange soundcard?07:04
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intelikeyArtimus maybe.  onboard sis trident    uses ac97-codec07:05
Palii have problem with my webcam. I cant find driver. lsusb: "ID 0c45:612a Microdia" This webcam has chip "Sonix sn9c325AFG" I try drivers gspca, sn9c1xx but this drivers not function. Which driver have I use?07:05
Artimusintelikey: Check out the alsa soundcard matrix.  It might have some information07:05
intelikeyArtimus i spent 2 or 3 hours in #alsa   final answer   try  oss    tried it now.    it really looks like this may be a hardware issue.07:07
Artimusintelikey: Are you sure the speakers are good?07:07
intelikeyyes i'm sure of the speakers07:07
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intelikeyi guess i could build a pre-amp   i have the parts on hand.07:09
Noldoaranis there a way to find out what kind of motherboard I have?07:09
flaccidintelikey: does it work with other OS / live cd ?07:09
flaccidNoldoaran: sudo apt-get install lshw | sudo lshw07:09
intelikeyjust wish there was an isa slot on this board07:09
Artimusintelikey: I've got a Soundblaster 32AWE.  It's a beautiful card...07:10
flaccidcoz if you havnt proven it works with another OS boot, then it could be the jack/connector or yeah any hardware down the line to the speakers07:10
Noldoaranthanks flaccid07:10
intelikeyflaccid don't really have anything handy to test it with in that reguard.      ummm i guess i could take an ide drive out of another box that has win95  but it might take legislation to make that card work in win95  and just for a test...07:11
flaccid1/8inch trs jacks are infamous for being 'patchy' ie. you can't get both sides going07:11
flaccidhow about a live cd of some sort07:11
intelikeyArtimus i've got two or three good sound cards.  with real hardware midi support   but they are isa.07:11
Artimusyeah, that's what my AWE is07:11
intelikeyflaccid i have the livecd of the os i'm running   lol07:12
flaccidi would be trying with a gentoo live cd07:12
intelikeythis box has three pci slots   and that's it.07:12
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intelikeyflaccid you would have dsl or cable   i'm on dialup07:12
intelikeycare to kick that off the cliff and see where it lands   :)07:13
Artimusintelikey: Might be worth looking into a cheap PCI soundcard.07:14
intelikeyi'll pay one price for it.   $0.0007:14
intelikeythat's what i've got in this box so far07:14
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NoldoaranI don't know much about hardware.. Can i get an nVidia card for my PC, when I already have a intel graphics chipset?07:17
intelikeyNoldoaran should be able to  yes07:17
intelikeyx86__ kdesu07:17
Noldoaranwill the intel chipset just be disabled? or do they both function?07:18
intelikeygksudo is gah no me07:18
sparri used fdisk to make partition table changes and write them.  then i rebooted.  now fdisk sees the new table, but the ubuntu installer still sees the old one.  whats up with that?07:18
intelikeyNoldoaran can be either way.  depends on how you set it up    in most cases07:18
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flaccidintelikey: any friends to help in person with cd or net to d/l?07:19
intelikeysome have to have "dual head"  some care not for more than one monitor07:19
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intelikeyflaccid not close07:20
x86__whats the equivalent for "gedit" for Kubunru?07:20
intelikeyflaccid you know where the middle of nowhere is ?    well i'm down that trail another 42 miles07:21
intelikeyx86__ well the == would kedit   but you probably want kate07:21
dwidmann_kate > gedit07:22
Noldoaranhm.. i don't have kedit, I have kwrite though07:22
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ardchoillekate rocks!07:22
Noldoarani agree07:23
intelikeyNoldoaran yeah i don't think kedit is standard with kubuntu   i think installing   kde  will install kedit though  iirc07:23
sauvinkate is the cream filling in my boston creme pastries!07:24
elpezwhat makes kate so great?07:24
intelikeyi've actually used kate about three or four times   it's ok.  just slow is all.07:25
Palii have problem with my webcam. I cant find driver. lsusb: "ID 0c45:612a Microdia" This webcam has chip "Sonix sn9c325AFG" I try drivers gspca, sn9c1xx but this drivers not function. Which driver have I use?07:25
dwidmann_the glistening little sprinkles of awesomeness dispersed throughout it.07:25
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dwidmann_session management? konsole kpart? insane customizability? split view? The reasons go on and on. ....07:27
intelikeyPali i don't know.    there doesn't seem to be any other choice in the kernel07:27
intelikeydwidmann_ konsole kpart? ???07:28
dwidmann_it's there, usable, and handy.07:28
Paliintelikey: where I find informations?07:29
dwidmann_pull up kate and look along the bottom. You'll see it.07:29
intelikeydwidmann_ i'll pass.  i'd have to install xorg and kde07:29
dwidmann_intelikey: that's where live cds come in handy07:29
intelikeywell that would take a reboot and i've done that today.07:30
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dwidmann_indeed, it does involve resetting your uptime07:30
timIs there a restricted drivers manage in Kubuntu?07:31
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intelikeyPali normally i get 30 to 2000 thousand matches for a single word/string on google    "   Your search - sn9c325AFG - did not match any documents. "07:33
intelikeytim the one in ubuntu.   check the repos07:34
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timI found the restricted package, is it in there?07:35
intelikeybasicly ubuntu is ubuntu is ubuntu   if it's in  any *buntu it's in all of them   the only thing that changes are the packages installed by default and the system configurations files may be somewhat tweeked to reflect the default packaging07:35
intelikeyi don't know what the package is called   maybe someone else does07:36
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genefitzI thought the restricted driver management was built into all ubuntu distros.07:37
genefitzAfter you have installed the restricted driver, it should let you know, and bring up the restricted driver management,07:37
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genefitzBut then again, I use ubuntu for Gnome and Freespire for KDE07:38
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firegodzdoes anybody know how to use software like vnc on ubuntu ?07:41
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dwidmann_firegodz: I've found krdc and krfb to be pretty easy to use07:43
timOk, I installed the restricted drive manager but I can't find it =/07:44
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intelikeydwidmann_ i've never messed with those do you have to have kde on both boxes ?07:44
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dwidmann_intelikey: Umm, on at least one of the boxes, you can probably use a different vnc client instead.07:45
dwidmann_one of those is the client and the other the server, uses vnc07:46
intelikeytim konsole enter the package name hit the tab key and see if the executable shows up...     or  kdpk -l <package name> | grep bin/07:46
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firegodzi am using ubuntu on one box and want to connect to a windows box07:47
elpezi have used vnc on a windows as a server being accessed by multiple kde machines using krdc.07:47
elpezVery easily07:47
firegodzgoing to try it now thx guys07:47
intelikeyread the docs on it.    use  find /usr/ -iname *part_of_the_name*                or slocate   or....07:48
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timok I got it thanks07:48
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elpeznight ppl07:48
jmusic_manhey all07:48
dwidmann_night elpez07:48
jmusic_manI haven't IRC'd in like, 20 years... lol07:49
jmusic_maner... 1007:49
jmusic_mantypo =/07:49
intelikeywell 20 would have been steaching it pretty tight  :)07:49
jmusic_manI would have been 207:49
intelikeyso would the internet07:50
File13anyone have any experience with rt73 chipset USB cards on kubuntu07:50
jmusic_manthought I'd give Kubuntu a try, so I'm running a pcbox next to my iMac here07:50
jmusic_manenjoying it so far07:50
jmusic_manwish I was more familiar w/ the shell commands though07:51
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dwidmann_takes time and  practice, worth it though.07:51
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jmusic_manreally seems so07:51
intelikeybot is still awol07:51
c0mp13371331337jmusic - man pages are your friend!07:51
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jmusic_manneat to see how supportive/helpful the linux community is though07:51
intelikeythe tab key is your ...07:52
dwidmann_I still think it was malnourishment, just haven't been feeding ubotu enough bot snacks as of late :(07:52
dwidmann_crutch? poison?07:52
jmusic_mannot sure what you mean c0mp =(07:52
firegodzFireGodz is away07:52
intelikeyjmusic_man    man man07:52
intelikeyin a terminal07:53
dwidmann_man woman?07:53
intelikeysorry no man page for woman07:53
top18do somebody speak german07:53
intelikeytop18 in #kubuntu-de07:54
intelikeytop18 or in #ubuntu-de    both07:54
c0mp13371331337Most commands have man(ual) pages that you can open in a terminal by typing 'man (command)'.  For example, to see the different options and usage for 'cp' (copy and paste command) type 'man cp'.  When you're done reading, hit 'q'.07:54
jmusic_manoh wow07:54
jmusic_mangreat tip07:55
Daisuke_Laptopjmusic_man: i would definitely recommend you check some other linux "communities" before doing a blanket judgement based on us :P07:55
jmusic_manhaha, and noted Daisuke07:55
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Daisuke_Laptopsome distros' 'support' consists of RTFM and abuse to new users07:55
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intelikeyjmusic_man /join #debian   and ask something stupid07:55
Daisuke_Laptopand this is why i chose *ubuntu07:55
c0mp13371331337Heh heh heh.... Do you speak from experience, intelikey?07:56
jmusic_manheh, I'm afraid to even try that intel ;P07:56
Daisuke_Laptop(ubuntu on my laptop, kubuntu on the desktop, and my girlfriend's running xp on her laptop [but i still love her anyway] )07:57
intelikeythey wont chew you out.   they'll just chew out around you and let you fall out....07:57
dwidmann_man -k [insert search term here] , search through man pages :)07:58
Daisuke_Laptopif it's like communities i've seen, they will do everything they can to make you feel like they're gods and you don't know anything.07:58
Daisuke_Laptopbelittling is a favourite trick07:58
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jmusic_manheh, alot of good resources available if you know the shell commands07:58
intelikeytrue dat07:59
jmusic_manand I notice that you spelled favourite with a 'u' Daisuke - Canadian?07:59
intelikeyjmusic_man did you run     man man     ?07:59
Daisuke_Laptopjmusic_man: no, american, i just prefer using proper spelling :)07:59
intelikeyyou really should.    learn about searching inside the man pages and such.07:59
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jmusic_manhehe, Canadian here, so I took notice - and yes Intel - just ran that command08:00
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Daisuke_Laptoptouch;unzip;grep;mount...  i'm not going any further than that08:00
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intelikeyjmusic_man there is also    info info     :)08:00
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jmusic_manmerciful zeus08:01
dwidmann_and if you don't like the look of the shell, you can use konqueror, pull it up and in the address bar put in 'man:/someprogramname' (ie: man:/man) and you can look at those that way too08:01
intelikeyalthough i'm a man's man   some people do much prefer info pages08:01
flaccidalso apt:/search in konqi08:01
jmusic_manthe shell brings me back to the days where I used to MOO on the Freenet08:01
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jmusic_manbut that's as hardcore as I got - rofl08:02
jmusic_manI didn't know konqueror was so versatile08:02
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jmusic_manthought it was more like WIndows Explorer08:02
flaccidlol. konq is khtml. it kills trident..08:02
petitouthi, sorry I<m kindda new at this so my question might seem lame but still, i<m having trouble uninstalling a previous version of flex under MCE and was wondering if someone could help08:02
Daisuke_Laptopjmusic_man: konqueror exemplifies an old saying: "Jack of all trades, master of none."08:03
jmusic_mannoted, Daisuke ;P08:03
intelikeymce ?08:03
petitoutlinux MCE under Kubuntu08:03
Daisuke_Laptopthat said, i do prefer it to nautilus or dolphin for now08:03
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petitoutor over if you prefer08:04
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jmusic_manis it then my understanding that every Linux App can run in Command Line mode as well as with a GUI?08:04
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dwidmann_Daisuke_Laptop: but isn't it the master of kparts?08:04
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dwidmann_jmusic_man: not all, just some08:04
jmusic_manI see08:04
jmusic_manstill neat that konqueror can do the man thing08:04
NickPrestaDaisuke_Ido, Konqy is a pretty capable web browser. It's about as "masterful" as others out there...08:05
Daisuke_Laptopand that view may come from the fact that a lot of linux gui apps are merely front-ends to cli apps08:05
intelikeyjmusic_man well    maybe all.      depends on how you define " in Command Line mode "08:05
dwidmann_it can also do thing such as locate, transparently access tar or zip archives, search apt, and many other things.08:05
jmusic_manwhat would you say is the best way of listing running processes? I found out about the 'top' program earlier08:06
jmusic_man(hehe - multiple questions out of the blue, I know)08:06
jmusic_manlemme try that one intel08:06
intelikeybut most wont agree with me08:06
dwidmann_jmusic_man: if you press ctrl + escape it will bring up kde system guard (the performance monitor)08:06
dwidmann_or how about htop?08:07
intelikeyi don't like top cause i can't see them all08:07
NickPrestagah. I wanted to install tomboy but 32 new apps and 54MB of additional downloads doesn't seem too friendly08:07
intelikeyubotu is "awol"08:08
Daisuke_Laptopthat's right, the bot's emaciated and on strike08:08
NickPrestaI'm happy with Basket, I suppose. I just wanted to try Tomboy...08:09
dwidmann_intelikey: I hadn't heard of pstree before, it's pretty nice, thanks for point it out08:09
intelikeyi'm a little tic'd  it was in #ubuntu some hours ago while #kubuntu still didn't have it...   but last i checked it wasn't in #ubntu anymore either.08:09
Daisuke_Laptopdesktop note-taking program using wiki style links08:09
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Daisuke_Laptopi assume that means http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Search?go=Go&search=link08:09
intelikeydwidmann_ it does have some really nice switchs too08:10
petitoutis there a newbie channel somewhere where i could get some more basic help?08:10
se7en^Of^9does someone know of a good Scrabble game on linux08:10
NickPrestaDaisuke_Ido, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tomboy_%28software%2908:10
Daisuke_Laptopi can't even do that because konversation converts that to a wikipedia link :\08:10
dwidmann_intelikey: first one I dived for was -p, of course08:10
NickPrestapetitout, what do you need help with? We don't mind helping newbies.08:10
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intelikeypetitout can you be more specific abount what you want ?08:10
intelikeydwidmann_ of course :)08:11
petitoutk Ill try08:11
Daisuke_Laptopi was trying to show the (double left square bracket)link(double right square bracket) wiki-style link08:11
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Daisuke_Laptopbut konversation understands and messes that up08:11
petitoutI installed flex-2.5.31 when i should have installed flex-2.5.33 now i can<t seem to be able to uninstall the previous version08:12
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petitouti did it all in console mode08:12
intelikeypetitout apt-get remove ?08:13
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intelikeypetitout dpkg -P ?08:13
NickPresta!away | sepeck08:13
intelikeypetitout or is it rpm based ???    rpm -e ?08:13
NickPrestalack of ubot makes me sad =(08:13
File13perhaps i prefer ubuntu over kubuntu08:13
petitouti did everything from KOnsole08:14
Daisuke_LaptopFile13: purely a matter of preference08:14
intelikeypetitout do you know any command you issued ?08:14
intelikeyeven part of it ?08:14
Daisuke_LaptopFile13: i use both, depending on the machine08:14
File13i dled the nvid driver and it seems to have messed things up08:14
intelikeypetitout ah   source08:14
File13i never had this problem on ubuntu08:14
petitoutsudo make install08:15
intelikeypetitout in the build dir you need to do      make uninstall08:15
intelikeysudo   that of course08:15
petitoutthat<s my problem cant find the build dir08:15
petitoutdoes it install automatically somewhere?08:16
intelikeythen you may have to get the origenal source code and build it again to remove it...08:16
intelikeydid i mention that i hate compiling source...08:16
File13what do i push to relaunch X in kubuntu08:16
dwidmann_intelikey: you're not alone in that08:16
petitoutsorry i<m so new it"s depressing08:17
dwidmann_File13: I'd type "startx" and press enter08:17
intelikeyFile13 is it running ?08:17
File13yeah but i just installed a different nvid driver08:17
File13should i just restart instead08:17
intelikeyFile13 if it's running    crtl+alt+backspace08:17
petitoutthx intelikey08:18
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se7en^Of^9does someone know of a good Scrabble game on linux08:19
petitoutok so now i<m getting a permission denied08:20
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petitouton the make uninstall from build dir08:20
intelikeypetitout welcome.   and from now on   you should try to remember to finish your builds with    "make clean ;Q=$(basename `pwd`) ;cd .. ;tar -czf blahuninstaller.tgz $Q"08:20
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petitoutand that does what exactly?08:22
intelikeylet me translate that from geek to intelikeish for you.   make clean removes the .h or .o files you made and the Q variable is set the the name of the dir you are in so you can use that info in the command to make an archive file of the source you just built    and name it blahuninstaller.tgz08:22
intelikeythen you save blahuninstaller.tgz somewhere you can find it if you ever need to uninstall blah      (translate blah to flex in this case)08:24
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josiahhmm... how do you pull up nvidia installation instructions link?08:24
intelikeypetitout in short.  "save the source you build"08:24
petitoutk thx kindda leaving markers or breadcrumbs08:24
dwidmann_intelikey: about what I was saying about kate earlier, this is what I meant: http://images.xnowherex.net/random/kate.png08:25
intelikeyjosiah the bot is 'awol'08:25
stdinjosiah: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto/Nvidia08:25
petitoutinelikey thx very much i<ll do that08:26
josiahok thanks guys08:26
NickPrestais ubot still upset at #kubuntu?08:26
dwidmann_NickPresta: it would seem us kubuntu folk haven't been feeding him enough botsnacks :(08:27
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jmusic_manwell, I'm off for the night (or morning... it is 2am)08:27
jmusic_manthanks for the info08:28
dwidmann_night jmusic_man08:28
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jmusic_manI'll be back - even just reading conversation is helpful08:28
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intelikeydwidmann_ ok.     and you need a terminal inside of an editor for ???08:31
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intelikeysorry i'm just trying to see how that is useful08:32
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dwidmann_intelikey: comes in handy when I need to build or test things. Asides from that I find other uses for it. What's really sad is when I have vim open inside of it ... That's always fun.08:32
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dwidmann_handy little trick that it and konqueror both have is that as you (keeping this in the kate context for now) switch to a different file, it cds to the other files directory, so that too can come in handy too, that way I'm not manually cding all over the place08:34
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intelikeydwidmann_ yeah. and you can desync them if you like.08:35
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intelikeydepends on the use.08:35
neusoncesup guys, can anybvody remind of the name of the program  that  dose a proper format on youre computer at startup ?08:36
josiahok this guide is telling me to goto: System  Administration  Restricted Devices Manager. There isnt a Administration to goto :). What do I do?08:37
intelikeyi don't know to my mentality (am i mental?)   that's still reinventing the wheel.  i have as many consols as i need...08:37
intelikey@ dwidmann_08:37
dwidmann_josiah: it seems to be referring to ghome08:37
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josiahdwidmann_: so what would the equivalent be fore kde?08:38
dwidmann_I don't think there is one, but you could track down and install the package, I'm not sure which one it is.08:38
josiahok ty08:38
intelikeyneusonce could you define "proper format" please08:38
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NickPresta!hi | ubotu08:39
dwidmann_intelikey: true enough, but it is sometimes handy to have it right there without having to switch back and forth between windows IMO. That and that it's always (well, usually) in the right directory. I like it anyway08:39
ubotuubotu: Hi! Welcome to #kubuntu!08:39
dwidmann_The bot's back!08:40
NickPresta /feedsnack08:40
ubotuYum! Err, I mean, APT!08:40
intelikeydwidmann_ k  fair enough.   oprative word   You like it    so that's enough :)08:40
flaccidwb ubotu08:41
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intelikeypopcorn anyone  ?08:41
dwidmann_Sure, why not08:42
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dwidmann_josiah: it looks like the package is called "restricted-manager"08:42
Tabmowswhen i change my desktop resolution in kde it always defaults back to 1024x768 when i log back in.. how can i save this?08:43
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intelikeyoh that's a script you might find interesting.08:43
josiahwell https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto/Nvidia isnt working... any other ideas?08:44
dwidmann_intelikey: I hope so, what does it do?08:44
stdinjosiah: not working? what part is not working?08:44
josiahit tells me to goto system -> administration and there isnt an administration :)08:44
stdinjosiah: read it, it says what to do for kubuntu08:45
intelikeydwidmann_ the name says it all08:45
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josiahi know.. then it says the same thing08:45
intelikeyyou can pipe into it   or it will read a file and pastebin it08:45
intelikeyrequires curl08:45
intelikey!info curl08:45
stdinno bot08:46
intelikeypoor bot08:46
intelikeyshe was here a minute ago08:46
dwidmann_okay, I've got curl installed08:46
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neusonce well when i reinstall  everything in kununtus fine for a while then the bugs  just  hinder me at every corner   suddenly   im unable to  download any of the repositories  even thought there is no valid reason why  java   chouse when to works and wine has dissapaered from my menus all thogether  even thought wine programs still work   so i want to wipe every thing from my hdd  so its clean  like new and then install kubuntu08:46
dwidmann_You were right, we practically chased ubotu out :( poor ubotu08:47
neusoncetyping to fast08:49
dwidmann_intelikey: thanks for the script, seems to work fine when piping, didn't seem to like reading from a file though ..... so "cat file | ./pastebin" it is eh?08:50
intelikey./pastebin filename    works for me...08:51
dwidmann_it seems it worked for me too, however, the command didn't die & give me the url afterwards, but I see it in the pastebin. Odd.08:51
intelikeyyeah....    hmmm08:52
dwidmann_Unless I ctrl+c'd it too soon, but I don't think I did.08:54
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petitoutintelikey in that command line you gave me earlier what does basename'pwd' do or stand for?08:54
BetaTesterHi all. Can somebody tell why this is not working for me: "oowriter -pt PrinterName FileName" I get an error08:55
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BetaTesterAccording to the manual and google this should be working if you dont have ati drivers installed :(08:56
flaccidwhat is the error08:56
BetaTesterflaccid WARNING **: Unknown error forking main binary / abnormal early exit ...08:57
BetaTesterI read on google and it says some ati related problmes. However oowriter myfile opens correctly08:57
BetaTesterthe problem is in -pt printername :(08:57
flaccid!find oowriter08:57
flaccidwhere is oowriter from08:58
BetaTesterit should be same as ooffice -writer -pt printer file08:58
neusonce can anybody tell me the advanatges  suse has over kubuntu08:58
flaccidi think you might need to ask them08:58
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flaccidBetaTester: you read all these yet? http://www.google.com/search?client=opera&rls=en&q=oowriter+WARNING+**:+Unknown+error+forking+main+binary+/+abnormal+early+exit&sourceid=opera&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-808:59
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intelikeypetitout not basename'pwd'    Q="$(basename `pwd`)"     if you run that in a konsole and then run   echo $Q    it will tell the name of the dir you are in.  it sets the variable Q to that name so the command that follows can use it.09:00
BetaTesterI will check it flaccid09:00
flaccidisn't pwd suffice?09:01
intelikeypetitout i pulled Q out of my hat  could be anything   zippit_do_dah="$(basename `pwd`)"       but what ever var you set that way holds the last word of the pwd==present working dirrectory.09:01
intelikeyflaccid no.  don't want the path  just the dir name09:03
stdinintelikey: Q=$(basename $PWD)09:03
flaccidah sorry09:03
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petitoutcause it didn't work with the ''09:03
intelikeystdin assumes PWD is set.   shell might not hage it set09:03
stdinintelikey: bash will, and yes, I'm assuming he'll be using bash09:03
intelikeypetitout no  '' not equal ``09:04
intelikeystdin yes i know.   :)09:04
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flaccidbasename `pwd`09:04
petitoutwhat i meant is i wrote the exact command line and followed the results and the make clean worked fine but i had an error after that09:05
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intelikeypetitout do you still have the entire line i posted so these guys know what it was about ?09:05
flaccidmypath=$(basename `pwd`)09:05
petitout petitout welcome.   and from now on   you should try to remember to finish your builds with    "make clean ;Q=$(basename `pwd`) ;cd .. ;tar -czf blahuninstaller.tgz $Q"09:05
intelikeypetitout and i could have "typo'd"   i think i still hold the title on that...09:05
petitout make clean removes the .h or .o files you made and the Q variable is set the the name of the dir you are in so you can use that info in the command to make an archive file of the source you just built    and name it blahuninstaller.tgz then you save blahuninstaller.tgz somewhere you can find it if you ever need to uninstall blah      (translate blah to flex in this case)09:06
intelikey the the == to the   one typo09:06
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fkmAs far as my mouse is concerned. Is there any differencs between XFree86 and Xorg? I found a nice tutorial on how to set up the thumbbuttons of my Logitech MX500 (http://www.glaurung.demon.co.uk/info/linux.mx500.howto.html). But it's for XFree86 and I don't want to mess up my system.09:07
flaccidyes there are big differences fkm. ubuntu uses xorg09:07
flaccidfkm: i think the stanzas in that doc will work with xorg09:08
intelikeypetitout ok i was just a little sloppy there.  i should have quoted the dirname   other than that it works exactly as posted.09:09
fkmflaccid: Ok, thank you. I'll give it a try then :)09:09
flaccidfkm: yeah try that Input section in xorg.conf09:09
intelikeyshould have said>>>   make clean ;Q="$(basename `pwd`)" ;cd .. ;tar -czf blahuninstaller.tgz "$Q"09:09
intelikeyincase of spaces in the name...09:10
martijn_nerdhey guys09:10
petitoutokay i'll try that and follow the script see where itleads me09:11
intelikeypetitout at any rate you can run the command to archive the dir at any time (until you delete it...)    that's the thing i was telling you to do...09:11
martijn_nerdthink i found a bug in kubuntu, can one of you check (or enlighten me) maybe, before i go thru the bugreporting process.09:11
petitoutyah i'm just not very good with command lines yet09:11
martijn_nerdthe kde-cache dirs of my users are growing without limit in the /var/tmp dir09:12
petitoutgetting there09:12
martijn_nerdthis is due to the http cache in there09:12
flaccidim off09:12
intelikey make clean ;Q="$(basename `pwd`)" ;cd .. ;tar -czf $Q_uninstaller.tgz "$Q"09:12
intelikeybetter name for the archive   ^09:13
petitoutthank you once again09:13
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intelikeypetitout you do know that   that has to be ran in the   build dir.09:13
intelikeydid i mention i hate to compile things ???09:14
petitoutbut my variable will give me taht path right?09:14
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intelikeythe var will be set to the name of the dir you are in when you run that string.09:15
stdinintelikey: shouldn't $Q_uninstaller.tgz be ${Q}_uninstaller.tgz ?09:15
intelikeyif you ran that in a dir in your home called  testing_his_stupid_command   then it should make an archive of the testing_his_stupid_command dir will be added to    testing_his_stupid_command_uninstall.tgz   in your home dir09:17
intelikeyand no.   don't change leave the "$Q"  of the end.   it wont work.09:17
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intelikeychange or leave09:17
intelikeytypo king at it again.   now you got me flustered.09:18
stdinintelikey: ie: "Q=$(basename `pwd`); echo $Q_somename.tgz" = ".tgz"09:18
petitouti<m trying all that right away09:18
intelikeystdin yep _ to -  fix09:19
intelikeytakes all of us09:19
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intelikey make clean ;Q="$(basename `pwd`)" ;cd .. ;tar -czf $Q-uninstaller.tgz "$Q"09:19
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intelikeythere   fixed09:19
intelikeyi'll leave now before i break something09:20
Tabmowswhen i change my desktop resolution in kde it always defaults back to 1024x768 when i log back in.. how can i save this?09:20
petitouthtanks for all the fish09:20
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intelikeywhat stdin pointed out,   is that the underscore can be used in variables thus $Q_uninstaller != $Q <plus> _uninstall    but    $Q-uninstaller == $Q <plus> -uninstaller    for anyone that missed it.09:23
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yeniklasorrstdin : they said "Thank you for contacting support. You may install it using a --prefix to a subdirectory in your root folder."09:28
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yeniklasorrI compiled and make "wget", but how to install :(09:29
stdinyeniklasorr: did it have a configure script09:30
yeniklasorrit have09:30
yeniklasorrit has :D09:30
stdinwhat options did you give it? did you put the --prefix in?09:31
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intelikeystdin no pun intended in this   but if one reads stdin (no plumbing) how do you "end the input" stop stdin ?09:34
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yeniklasorrstdin : I didn't I don't know what is prefix09:34
stdinintelikey: normally the stream ends with a EndOfFile character09:34
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jcdgsomebody speaks spanish??09:35
stdinyeniklasorr: you need to choose it, a subdirectory, so do ./configure --prefix=/home/me/directory09:35
intelikeynot stream.  stdin09:35
stdinjcdg: Si busca ayuda en Espaol por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendr mas ayuda.09:36
intelikey while read Q09:36
intelikey    do echo "$Q"09:36
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intelikey done09:36
jcdgcomo hago eso??09:36
yeniklasorrstdin : then "make --prefix=/home/me/directory" and "make install --prefix=/home/me/directory" ?09:36
jcdgdisculpen mmi ignorancia09:36
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stdinjcdg: Si busca ayuda en Espaol por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendr mas ayuda.09:36
intelikeyi could use what a break command ot drop out of that loop if EOF is read09:36
stdinyeniklasorr: no, only needed for ./configure09:37
yeniklasorrok trying09:37
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intelikeyjcdg or  /join #ubuntu-es      no ?09:38
stdinintelikey: the application (bash or sh) reads the input stream, be it a file or whatever, then when the stream ends and EOF character is sent09:38
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stdinintelikey: stdin/out/err are all IO streams09:39
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intelikeywhile read Q ; do echo "$Q" ;done      <<<< drop that in a shell and tell me where the end of the stream is ?09:40
stdinintelikey: in the shell Ctrl-D is EOF09:41
malqosi have problem with my knetworkmanager - when i click  on the icon nothing happend:(i reinstal it,remove and instal one more time and still the same, what else can i do?09:41
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stdinmalqos: right-click it?09:42
intelikey^c will kill it in a shell  but the same thing in a script and ^c  nor ^d affect it   it just keeps on reading and reading,   it's like that stupid pink bunny09:42
stdinintelikey: what do you mean, when you run the command in a script ctrl-d doesn't work?09:44
intelikeywait i'm still testing   i think it may.   i just got impatient09:44
stdinworks when I do it :)09:45
malqosstdin: what?09:45
intelikeydon't forget we have different bashes09:45
yeniklasorrstdin : thanks I did it, now how to use it? with "wget" or with  "/home/me/wget/bin/wget" or any other ?09:45
stdinmalqos: when you click the icon nothing happens, try right-clicking it09:46
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stdinintelikey: works in sh too09:46
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stdinyeniklasorr: depends on your $PATH09:46
stdinyeniklasorr: if /home/you/wget/bin is before the place the system wget is installed you can just do "wget"09:47
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yeniklasorrstdin : no I created it09:47
malqosstdin: ok. i clikc rigth and i see small menu:add item to desktop, add item to main panel,edit item, put into run dialog09:47
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intelikeystdin yeah it's working   just got in too big of a hurry the first try.09:48
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stdinyeniklasorr: you can can change your $PATH then09:48
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stdinyeniklasorr: you mean it's not starting?09:49
intelikeywhen i kill things i like them to die right now.    not kick jerk and bleed for half a day...09:49
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yeniklasorrstdin : I'm working with "wget/bin/wget http://...." it is working09:50
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yeniklasorrstdin : if I close ssh, downloading will resume or kill ?09:50
dissectionAnyone know what the url to the webgui interface of ktorrent is?09:50
stdinyeniklasorr: will probably be killed09:50
yeniklasorrstdin : anyway to not be kill09:51
stdinyeniklasorr: wget -b09:51
yeniklasorrok thank you09:51
stdindissection: by default http://localhost:8080/09:52
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yeniklasorrstdin : Continuing in background, pid 598  worked thanks09:52
dissectionstdin: Okay, that worked. Thanks. I had changed it to port 80 and http://localhost/ wasn't working09:53
stdindissection: you need to be root to open a port lower than 102409:53
hangthedjanybody used basketnotes yet?09:53
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Lynourehangthedj: ask away09:53
Lynourehangthedj: it's not _that_ new :)09:53
hangthedji guess not.09:54
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Lynourehangthedj: I'm trying to get into the developement of it, but have been distracted by various things09:54
hangthedji just upgraded to gutsy from feisty, and kontact wouldn't stop crashing.  so i installed the svn of basket notes, and it stopped crashing.  anyway, i love basketnotes.09:54
hangthedjgreat program.09:54
Lynourehard to tell what was the cause of the crashing... maybe some library missing, or something09:55
hangthedji don't know, all i know is when i loaded basket notes externally it didn't crash.  and when i loaded kontact and then killed basket notes then clicked on it, it crashed.  now it doesn.t09:56
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stdinhangthedj: It's a known bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdepim/+bug/133857  gutsy help in #ubuntu+109:59
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hangthedjstdin: well i fixed it with svn :)10:00
hangthedjwell i mean i didn't fix it.10:00
hangthedjbut it works now.10:00
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stdinhangthedj: report that on the bug page10:00
intelikeywell it's setteled,  i'm calling this a hardware problem.      i refuse to blame linux for this sound issue.10:01
intelikeyand is athlon k6 or k7  ?10:01
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intelikeyok it's 7 & 8   my bad.10:04
intelikeythen why does it say cpm family 6 ?10:04
stdink8 seems to be the amd64 cpu10:05
intelikeyyes k8 is 64bit10:06
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intelikeymaybe athlon is like pentium ???10:07
slougik7 is the athlon [xp]  core, k8 is the athlon64 core10:07
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slougifamily 6 means just that it is basically a i686 chip10:08
fkmThat tutorial was somewhat overkill :)10:08
stdinintelikey: bah, why can't you just get -generic :p10:08
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intelikeystdin heh.10:08
intelikeystdin this box is new to me.  i'm just learning what and why about it..10:10
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stdinintelikey: lshw is good for that10:10
intelikeydoesn't tell what cpu family,   i'm still wondering about that10:11
fkmThe only thing I needed to change was the Protocol (ImPS/2 -> ExplorerPS/2), comment out the 3 button emulation (Emulate3Buttons) in /etc/X11/xorg.conf and uncomment the IMWHEEL_PARAMS in /etc/X11/imwheel/statup.conf and change the numbers to "4 5 8 9".10:11
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fkmAnd now my MX500 works fine with my Kubuntu :D10:11
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fkmNow let's see if this works in games too :)10:12
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ubuntu_hello i keep getin error by loging in on kde 7.0410:15
ubuntu_There was an error setting up interprocess communication for KDE. The message returned by the system connection was:10:15
ubuntu_could not read network connection list.10:15
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ubuntu_stdin: cq u help me?10:17
intelikeywhat's the range on wifi in unconjested conditions ?10:19
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ubuntu_hello i keep getin error by loging in on kde 7.04 whit the dcopserver10:22
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SlimeyPetehow does one tell KDE not to launch Amarok on login? It's driving me nuts.10:27
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ubuntu_SlimeyPete: i dont koz how.but zhen somethings bother me i close everything n logout n back in10:30
SlimeyPetewell, that won't fix anything - my problem is that Amarok runs ever time I log in :)10:30
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Tabmowsanyone know how to make sure my kde/kubuntu saves the desktop size when I change it? i try and change it to 1280x800 and it changes back to 1024x768 when i logout or reboot?10:31
ubuntu_stdin: uthere?10:31
sini|workSlimeyPete: Maybe that behavior is set in the amarok options, dunno if ther is sch an option. Or you have amarok in your Autostart.10:32
ubuntu_sini|work: is stbin there?10:33
runleveltenSlimeyPete: Either you have persistent sessions enabled, or you have amarok in autostart10:33
SlimeyPeteit's not in the Autostart folder10:33
kaminixHow do I partition an USB memory stick so that I'll be able to use it in Windows (ways to partition it in Windows XP's also OK)10:33
SlimeyPeteand there's no option in the preferences.10:33
runleveltenthen either 1)ensure you shut it properly before shutting your computer down, or 2) switch off persisten sessions10:34
SlimeyPeteit's been starting automatically ever since I installed Kubuntu.10:34
SlimeyPeterunlevelten: I always do 1)10:34
SlimeyPetein fact I shut it down as soonas it starts10:34
SlimeyPeteI don't use Amarok.10:34
runleveltenSlimeyPete: are you sure? closing the amarok window only docks it, mind..10:34
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SlimeyPeteI'm sure. I can't just "close the window" as I don't use a window decorator. I quit it properly, so that it is no longer on the panel.10:35
ubuntu_runlevelten: i got prob ith loging in i; on cd live my prob is:could not read network connection list.10:35
runleveltenthen switch off persistent sessions, at least for one logout-login. like so:10:35
runleveltenalt+F2   type kcontrol and press enter  kde components  session manager  set "On Login" to "Start with an empty session"10:36
runleveltenubuntu_: You sure you're running kubuntu, not ubuntu?10:37
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ubuntu_runlevelten: feisty 7.0410:37
SlimeyPeterunlevelten: ok, cheers, I'll try that.10:37
runleveltenSlimeyPete: good stuff :)10:37
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runleveltenubuntu_: Are you aware of whether you're running gnome or KDE?10:38
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runleveltenubuntu_: Is everything mostly brown?10:39
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ubuntu_runlevelten:kde i havent install gnome.i start giving me that prob when i config my livebox to get internet10:39
ubuntu_runlevelten: lol im not that stupid10:40
ubuntu_runlevelten: everything blue10:40
runleveltenWhy would it be stupid if you didn't know? :)10:40
runleveltenif it's a boggle with the gui network tools, I can't honestly say I ever use them :(10:40
ubuntu_i keep teling u its kde feisty 7.04 im running10:41
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runleveltenubuntu_: Yeah, I gathered that...10:41
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ubuntu_runlevelten: i went in network profile n i deleted the name that was there10:43
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ubuntu_runlevelten: hien megabrain?10:44
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ubuntu_runlevelten: i; goin to reinstall kde this suck.i; havin taughts on chagin to ubuntu10:47
ubuntu_or fedora10:47
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runleveltenhttp://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-26208.html        http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2620810:48
runleveltenubuntu_: Well that's your choice.10:49
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josiahanybody know where to get info on setting up repositories?10:51
LoneShadowhow to enable software sound mixing ?10:51
runleveltenooh, the bot's had it.10:51
runleveltenHang on guys.10:51
LoneShadowbot went to bed ? :D10:51
NickPrestaGoodnight all.10:52
runleveltenThe packages in Ubuntu are divided into several sections. More information at https://help.ubuntu.positories and http://www.ubuntu.cocomponents - See also !EasySource10:52
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LoneShadowbot is still down ?10:53
runleveltena site for the artist who wishes to use Ubuntu as their Digital Audio Workstation. It contains all the best parts of Audio/Graphical/Visual components from the Ubuntu repositories, and extra! Available at http://www.ubuntustudio.com. Or visit #ubuntustudio.10:53
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LoneShadowso what is runlevelten displaying ?10:53
linopilbot come back home10:54
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runleveltenThe packages in Ubuntu are divided into several sections. More information at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories and http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/components - See also !EasySource10:57
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runleveltena webpage where you can (re)generate your sources.list - http://www.ubuntu-nlce-o-matic10:58
josiahthere isnt a difference between kubuntu and ubuntu repositories?10:58
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runleveltena webpage where you can (re)generate your sources.list - http://www.ubuntu-nl.org/source-o-matic10:58
runleveltenjosiah: No10:58
SlimeyPetejosiah: nope. Same repos.10:58
SlimeyPeteSame OS, different default environment.10:59
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josiahis there a good site to follow for setting up kubuntu for all software repos, settings, codecs etc etc? I just came from suse and dont know anything about ubuntu/kubuntu11:02
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spiroohello everyone11:08
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pupenojosiah: many of the most important resources are already on /etc/apt/sources.list, they are just commented out.11:08
pupenofor the rest:11:08
spiroois there any dist to mount from an USB11:08
pupenoit's not working...11:08
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spirooplease, I wanna install linux in school, lol :D11:09
trekdannewhat's happend to ubotu??11:09
pupenospiroo: your question is not clear.11:09
spiroothe bot is turned off maybe for the moment11:09
spirooI wanna install linux from an USB11:10
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pupenospiroo: the boot is working on #ubuntu.11:10
spiroowith USB?11:10
spiroodoes it boot automatically, or do I have to  change in BIOS?11:10
OuZohow many logical partitions is the max? thanks11:11
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spirooit is not OS dependent11:11
spiroobut you could install an extended partition with partitions inside11:12
pupenoI meant the bot.11:12
pupenoI don't know about usb, but I'll do a search first.11:12
josiahi just used the bot in the ubuntu channel :) seems to work fine11:12
spiroookay thanks pupeno. My permissions in school is quite annoying :D I wanna use linux :D11:13
josiahok i see firefox and thunderbird in adept manager as installed but they are not located in the Kde -> Internet menue11:13
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_Shade_.join #ubuntu11:14
_Shade_shit sorry :)11:14
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OuZohow many extended partitions can i make?11:22
stdinOuZo: as many as you want11:24
OuZothanks stdin11:25
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josiahok... can someone assist me with installing nvidia drivers?11:25
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der_foxhi leutz11:52
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joseph1110216how do i check if ubuntu is using my video card?12:04
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richi_Hi everybody.12:12
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Gargantuamy resolution is really low, and I can't change it from the controls. any help?12:21
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richipsGargantua, can't you change it from the "configure desktop" option?12:21
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Gargantuais it possible to create a root password on kubuntu?12:21
GargantuaI want to have su access.12:21
runleveltensudo passwd root methinks12:21
stdinsudo -i is easier12:22
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Gargantuarunlevelten: I found my answer on google, but thank you very much.12:22
Gargantuacould someone help me with my resolution problem please?12:22
SteamMachineI'd really like to add emoticons into kopete... how do I do this?12:22
runleveltengood stuff.12:22
stdinGargantua: thought about "sudo su" ?12:22
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runleveltenNow that's just perverse.12:23
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runlevelten*su -c sudo even12:23
Gargantuasudo password root did the trick.12:23
Gargantuacould it be an xorg configuration problem?12:24
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runleveltenSteamMachine: you can download them from online12:24
runleveltenin the config dialog where you set emoticons, click get new stuff.12:25
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SteamMachinerunlevelten: but supposing I just wanted to add one or two new emoticons?12:25
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runleveltenspose you could edit an existing theme :)12:25
Gargantuaapt > yum12:27
runleveltenso you could copy /usr/share/emoticons/Default to a new folder12:27
runleveltenthen drop in your new ones.12:27
runleveltenrenaming them so they replace whatever ones you...wanted to replace.12:27
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runleveltenSteamMachine: yeah, that works fine. Appears as a new emoticon theme (foldername) in kopete's list12:33
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Assidhrmm kopete should have supported the same way msn does.. to add new emoticons12:37
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liuqq can't be used in kopete, it is so disapponinted12:38
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runleveltenthere's probably a plugin for what you're talking about :)12:39
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liuyou don't know qq?12:39
Assidhrmm will check it12:40
runleveltenwhat's qq?12:40
Assiddownloading at 10-15K/sec isnt fun12:40
Assidqq? qmail-queue ?12:40
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Tm_Thi kids12:40
liuqq ,a software like msn12:40
liuqq is very popular in china12:40
runleveltenhi Tm_T... how'd the surgery go?12:41
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Assideva ?12:41
seanpcrowe|silly question here... how do i reboot kubuntu??? (every time i do, the previous session is still there)12:41
runleveltenI've never heard of it liu - let me just find out about it :)12:41
runlevelten( seanpcrowe|: alt+F2  kcontrol  kde components  session manager  change on login to start with an empty session )12:42
seanpcrowe|runlevelten, you are a gentleman sir... thx =)12:43
runleveltennp at all seanpcrowe| :)12:43
Assidrunlevelten: check out eva12:44
runleveltenliu: still reading about qq, but for reference, the machine next to me has gaim installed and lets you add a qq acct.12:44
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valentin13bonjour a tous12:45
runleveltenHello valentin1312:45
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BrightEyes`hello.anyone to help me make my microphone work?12:46
runleveltenliu: there's certainly some qq stuff in the kopete repos.12:46
valentin13it is   english here12:46
dejvanyone who know something about motherboard-compatibility and kubuntu?12:46
runleveltenvalentin13: indeed :)12:46
runleveltenBrightEyes`: it's likely you need to adjust settings in kmix#12:47
runleveltenalt+F2  kmix12:47
BrightEyes`runlevelten: yes.after?12:47
BrightEyes`runlevelten: in input i press the radio button for the microphone and it gets red.12:48
valentin13run  do you know if  yahoo messenger can to open on unix12:48
valentin13or it is just for window12:48
Tomi-idlevalentin13: if you're one kubuntu you can use Kopete to use Yahoo12:48
runleveltenvalentin13: firstly, there is a yahoo messenger for unix, and it's really really terrible12:48
runleveltenvalentin13: fortunately...12:48
runleveltenvalentin13: you can use kopete or pidgin to chat on yahoo.12:48
valentin13because i have some friend on yahoo messenger  so i wish  to get  messenger12:49
valentin13i am new on  kubuntu unix12:49
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runleveltenWell kopete is fairly easy to use :)12:49
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valentin13it is a little hard12:49
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Assidrunlevelten: pidgin good?12:50
runleveltenDo you have it open?12:50
Gargantuaoh man, my resolution still wont go high enough.12:50
runleveltenAssid: Pidgin's great, yeah. Kopete has the edge at the moment, but I alternate between them over the years for feature support.12:50
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valentin13i  have to find with  adept12:50
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runleveltenvalentin13: it may be installed by default.12:50
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runlevelten( Assid - pidgin is the new name for gaim btw )12:51
Assidhrmm okay then12:51
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Assidpidgin looks too widgetty on kubuntu12:51
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Tomi-idlebetter use kopete under kde ;)12:51
runleveltenas I said, kopete has the edge atm tbh.12:51
valentin13ty run for  kopete12:51
runleveltenand integrates better.12:51
runleveltennp valentin13 - one proviso though12:52
runleveltenif you wish to use webcam and voice, there is an ugly ( but more featureful ) software that can do those.12:52
liuthe online people using qq is 30 million12:52
runleveltenIt's called "gyachi! improved"12:52
BrightEyes`runlevelten: im now trying to record with audacity and nothing12:52
runleveltenliu: I bet it's more than that if it's popular in China :D12:53
liuI say it is the online number12:53
seanpcrowe|Gargantua, whats wrong?12:53
liuit has 012:53
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Gargantuaseanpcrowe|: well I commented out all the resolutions from my xorg config,12:53
liuit has 0.2 billion user in china12:53
runleveltenGosh, wow.12:54
seanpcrowe|u cant get 1280x800 Gargantua ????12:54
Gargantuaand now my resolution still wont go as high as I want it.12:54
seanpcrowe|how high do you want it?12:54
GargantuaI am currently on 1280x80012:54
seanpcrowe|over 9000 =)12:54
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Gargantuait sucks because it's all squeezed.12:54
Assidi just bought a geforce 6600GT for 40$12:54
Assid2nd hand12:54
Assidworth it ?12:54
runleveltenAssid: Good move.12:54
runleveltenimo anyway12:55
liuqq has 90% users,and msn has 9% user in china12:55
Assidactually 45 if oyu convert12:55
seanpcrowe|well i had a problem where i couldn't get 1280x800 Gargantua on intel GMA945... i installed 915resulution and this fixed it...12:55
Assidrunlevelten: didnt make sense upgrading my hardware atm .. i got a p4 3ghz.. 1.5GB ram12:55
JDqq is a car here where i live, ajaj12:55
runleveltenthat's like 10 quid or something, heh :)12:55
runleveltenLucky git.12:55
Assidso i can wait for the penryns to come out12:55
liuyes ,qq is also a car made in china12:55
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liuyou can go12:56
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Chippyhey, I'm wanting to install the new flash beta, can anyone offer me any advice?12:56
Assidat that time.. id prolly pick up the 8600GTS with E5420 (2.6ghz quad)12:56
seanpcrowe|K menu >>> system >>>> adept manager >>>> 915 resulution... <----- try that Gargantua, also what GFX chip do u have and can your moniter handle higher res's ?12:56
Assidi wonder if it will make much of a difference to me ;)12:56
runleveltenliu, did you gather what I was saying about qq support being (apparently) worked on ?12:56
JDit is from cheely??12:56
Gargantuaseanpcrowe|: Radeon 9250.12:57
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GargantuaI've ran much higher res's on Windows.12:57
liuqq can work in linux through eva?12:57
liubut eva isn't very good12:57
runleveltenor through pidgin12:57
seanpcrowe|915resulution is NOT gonna be your answer then... sorry dude cant help... :s12:57
runleveltenand there are recent commits to do with qq support in kopete's repos.12:57
Assidi wouldnt mind a nice ati card.. problem is.. ati support on linux isnt too good12:57
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JDand advise?? buy an Nvidia12:58
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runleveltenChippy: never shelter under a tree in a thunderstorm12:58
roberto_im in truble anyone here?12:58
runleveltenOh, and also don't judge a book by its cover :D12:58
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Chippyrunlevelten: heh12:58
liuin china ,everyone who surf the Internet must be the user of qq12:58
Assidrunlevelten:  never shelter under a mushroom in a storm !12:59
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Gargantuaseanpcrowe|: ok I installed the res, should I restart?12:59
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Assidalthough if you do manage to.. your probably a smurf12:59
runleveltenliu: It appears to be noticed in KDE :)12:59
Assidbe noticed in kde ?12:59
roberto_how to modify the permission on a folder?12:59
Assidroberto_: right click.. properties12:59
runleveltenChippy: my advice is make sure you report any webcam bugs you find12:59
seanpcrowe|<seanpcrowe|> 915resulution is NOT gonna be your answer then... sorry dude cant help... : <----- did u not see that Gargantua ???12:59
JDwhy they should use QQ??01:00
Assidroberto_:  or if your using cli .. chmod and chown depending what you wanna do01:00
Chippydoes anyone know how to uninstall my old flash version?01:00
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ChippyI have a deb to install for the new one01:00
seanpcrowe|that will only work with intel chips Gargantua... you should uninstall it to be on the safe side...01:00
runleveltenAlthough didn't they palm that off on v4l now?01:00
Gargantuauh oh!01:00
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roberto_cmod !01:00
seanpcrowe|lol Gargantua, just uninstall it...01:00
GargantuaI am lol01:00
Gargantuathat's it01:00
GargantuaI am installing debian instead.01:01
seanpcrowe|did u search the ubuntu forums?01:01
AssidGargantua: for desktop?01:01
Gargantuakubuntu sucks, I am always having problems with ubuntu and res.01:01
seanpcrowe|yeah me too, but i got them sorted01:01
GargantuaAssid: more like for everything.01:01
AssidGargantua: i used to have similar issues.. i run debian on my servers.. and kubuntu on my desktop01:01
runleveltenIf you can't fix it in ubuntu, you'll be stuffed on debian.01:02
AssidGargantua: very simple to fix actually most forums have alot of tips01:02
runleveltenGargantua: what's your actual boggle?01:02
GargantuaDeboan = fixed by default = me happy01:02
Assidrunlevelten: thats why servers run debian.. no need for X01:02
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AssidGargantua: not really.. it works on similar packages01:02
Assidetch uses older packages.. its a greater chance your hardware wont be pushed and you are using basic configurations01:02
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GargantuaI know, for some reason, ubuntu's resolution is very low by default.01:02
GargantuaI think it's because they use different drivers or something.01:03
runleveltenwhat, it's not picking up the right modelines for you?01:03
AssidGargantua: go to xorg.conf ... and modfy it01:03
GargantuaAssid: I did, only made things worse.01:03
valentin13ty run01:03
Gargantuato be honest, the only OS to get my resolution right was Windows.01:03
valentin13i have  yahoo now01:03
seanpcrowe|Gargantua. http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=182537 <----- there you go01:03
runleveltenno problem, valentin13 :)01:03
AssidGargantua:  sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg01:04
valentin13unix is   weird01:04
Assidreset it to default first01:04
valentin13different of window01:04
roberto_help !01:04
Assidhrmm im sure the bot had something on it01:04
runleveltenmore likely o be that it's not picking your monitor up right, to be honest.01:04
roberto_how to modify the cmod?01:04
Assidalrite.. i better run before those guys go away01:04
runleveltenI'd look documentation/people using that monitor.01:04
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Assidrunlevelten: well.. it depends actually on ddi or something..01:05
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Gargantuaok brb01:05
Assidrunlevelten:  first time i put the 6600 card in.. it showed the modelines.. and then next time i removed xorg.conf and replaced the card with another card.. and then again put the card back.. there are no modelines mentioned in xorg.conf01:05
runleveltenAlso, if you have any liveCDs that get it all right (ie KNOPPIX), save the modelines and monitor device section  and put it in your own.from their xorg.conf01:05
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Assidyeah.. but sometimes you dont need the modelines.. you just set the horizontal and vertical.. and you should be fine01:06
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runleveltenYou can usually find the documentation for the monitor and it'll have the hsync and vref specs there.01:09
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fkmDoes somebody know what draws my windows, when I have an 'empty' X session? I open the session from KDM with: X :0 -ac01:11
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runleveltenUnmanaged X?01:11
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fkmIt's for a wine-session. I hope this will improve the performance for Steam games01:12
fkmActually it all works fine. But when I open a firefox (with a button provided in steam) - well there's no window decoration, but that's alright - the window looks kinda weird. Like an old GTK window01:13
fkmMay this actually be wine drawing the (interior) of the firefox window?01:14
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fkmOr rather some backup window manager, as the main one isn't loaded?01:14
RivaeAeryajoin #compiz-fusion01:14
RivaeAeryahad to put a slash in front of that01:14
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valentin13who know gentoo01:15
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fkmOr let's forget about this question. It's not that important as long as it works :)01:16
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slougifkm: wine's own browser uses the gecko engine, maybe it's that?01:16
slougivalentin13: #gentoo01:16
valentin13unix gentoo01:16
runleveltenwine is not drawing the widgets in your linux apps.01:16
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fkmMaybe. The contextmenus were not the ones from Firefox01:17
seanpcrowe|hey, does anyone know of the name of a file shredder in kubuntu??? (i had a couple in vista)01:17
runleveltenuse the one that comes with kgpg seanpcrowe|01:17
fkmHmmm... Well. Then I guess it's not wine as it really was a firefox. (with the "Restore Session" button at the beginning as I didn't close it at the last session)01:17
runleveltenthere's no way it would be wine unless you installed firefox in wine01:18
seanpcrowe|ok runlevelten... thanks =)01:18
runleveltenseanpcrowe|: np01:18
slougirunlevelten: yes there is, if an app asks for the mshtml widget it will prompt you for permission to download the gecko widget01:18
fkmSo it must be something else. Maybe Qt without the styles01:19
slougirunlevelten: in any case wine itself implements all the default windows controls01:19
runleveltenslougi: Just no, frankly.01:20
runleveltenmshtml is one thing. The GUI widgets in Firefox are another.01:20
slougirunlevelten: heh, if steam uses mshtml, wine will download the windows version of gecko and use that as a replacement01:21
fkmI got this wine gecko replacement thing installed01:21
valentin13i am lost01:21
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runleveltenslougi: indeed. That's got nothing to do with drawing the widgets in native firefox. Nothing whatsoever.01:22
fkmBut I don't think it's that. Because I don't think it supports tabs and doesn't ask me what to do with the tabs from the last session ;)01:22
fkmWell. Maybe I'll find out later on what's beeing loaded :)01:22
slougirunlevelten: right, and i never claimed anything to that effect01:22
runleveltenSo what on earth are you talking about then?01:23
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slougiif there is a button inside steam to open firefox, it will not open the native firefox, now will it?01:23
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fkmI got another question there :) Is it possible to do a logout (back to KDM) without the logout-button? Is there a command or key-bind/shortcut?01:23
JCDGhi, does anyone know how to use ntfs-3g??01:23
slougifkm: you can probably use dcop, not sure which interface though01:24
runlevelten<runlevelten> there's no way it would be wine unless you installed firefox in wine  <slougi> runlevelten: yes there is01:24
fkmslougi: It's not a Firefox button. It's the "News" button which opens the URI in your default bowser (at least it normally does :))01:24
fkmOk, thanks :)01:24
JCDGso, whta do i do after i install it??01:24
runleveltenYes, that would entail *installing firefox in wine*01:25
slougirunlevelten: misread that ;)01:25
runleveltenslougi: easily done.01:25
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slougiin any case my point was that any websites opened from an app run using wine will open up using either the mshtml gecko component or another native browser01:25
=== slougi thanks runlevelten
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JCDGhow do i use ntfs-3g?01:26
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fkmOk, I will check that and then tell you what really opened :)01:28
fkmBut now I have to go to the city. I think I'll be back in about an hour or so01:28
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fkmCu then, and thank you again, slougi and runlevelten  :)01:28
runleveltenhave fun.01:28
runleveltenOh, and fkm?01:28
valentin13brb my dinner01:28
runleveltenlet me know how that works out please ;)01:29
fkmI will :)01:29
runleveltensource engine, yeah?01:29
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fkmNot really. I'm still at cstrike with the half-life1 (/q2) engine01:30
runleveltenah ok :)01:30
fkmDidn't get the source-engine to work. But maybe with the new and pure wine session my computer will be up to the challenge ;)01:30
fkmOr I for that matter ;)01:30
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fkmOk, saved your nicks in a KNote so I don't loos'em :)01:31
fkmcu later :)01:31
deadmoonwas wondering if you could digg http://digg.com/design/Funniest_Restaurant_Signs_and_Menus_sometimes_people_need_to_proof_read if you think its worth digging! :P (sorry for spammy like message! only digg if you like it01:31
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seanpcrowe|anyone know if there is a chatroom here for help with media codecs and media player etc... ???01:32
seanpcrowe|*media players01:33
runleveltenlater dude01:33
runleveltendeadmoon: What'd you spam the channel for man?01:34
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deadmoonwell wasn't so much spam01:34
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tomas_hello all01:35
tomas_pls help01:35
JCDGtell me tomas01:35
tomas_where to download Kubuntu feisty live cd?01:35
runleveltendeadmoon: it was ENTIRELY spam :(01:36
tomas_i see just desktop and alt01:36
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tomas_ya there is the desktop and alt no live01:36
JCDGlook,, the live cd it's an iso image of the download01:36
JCDGyou can get it, by shipit in ubuntu.com or you can make record that iso image on a cd01:37
runleveltentomas_: read the page a bit more carefully :)01:37
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runleveltenseanpcrowe|: what's the problem?01:38
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JCDGyeah, we need to read a little bit more before coming here,01:38
tomas_still cant see it01:38
runleveltenseanpcrowe|: For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.tedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.c-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.reeFormats01:38
knowledge25hello: can somebody help me with my sudo?01:39
runleveltenDamn, those links truncated. Hang on01:39
stdintomas_: the desktop cd IS the live cd01:39
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tomas_no because i need the live to install linux mce01:39
_Shade_every time i am going to use sudo command i get this sudo: unable to lookup Linux via gethostbyname()01:39
tomas_and the desktop is no good fo that01:39
runleveltenseanpcrowe|: For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats01:40
_Shade_how can i fix it?01:40
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runleveltentomas_: The Desktop Is The Live C D :P01:40
JCDGyeah, the desktop is the live cd01:40
tomas_ive tried it but the linux mce installet think somrhin else01:41
knowledge25hello: can somebody help me with my sudo?01:41
stdintomas_: http://wiki.linuxmce.org/index.php/Download_Instructions01:41
seanpcrowe|runlevelten, awesome dude... thx for those links... =)01:42
seanpcrowe|i watch a lot of 720p & 1080p stuff usually in .mkv and its a nightmare getting them to work in leeniux =)01:42
runleveltennp seanpcrowe|, I just pasted them from the bot factoids, because the bot is unwell right now01:42
tomas_i know needed is live and the link points to desktop01:42
stdintomas_: the desktop cd IS the live cd <<01:43
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runleveltentomas_: You REALLY need to slow down, have a cup of tea and read it carefully.01:43
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runleveltenI know it's exciting and stuff, but it's in front of you :)01:43
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runlevelten( add coffee to taste :) )01:44
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JCDGand a lot of vanilla tea01:44
knowledge25my sudo won't.work can somebody help me?01:44
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stdintomas_: from the instructions: "The CD installer comes on 2 CDs and requires you to first install Kubuntu 7.04 using Kubuntu's Live CD, and then to install LinuxMCE on top." do you use the 7.04 desktop CD01:45
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tomas_yes have kubuntu installed01:45
tomas_but from the desktop cd01:45
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JCDGwho has kubuntu installed?01:45
tomas_on top i want mce01:46
JCDGok, well, you don't need another live cd to instal mce01:46
tomas_the linux MCE is asking for it01:46
stdintomas_: read http://wiki.linuxmce.org/index.php/Installation_Guide01:47
tomas_first asks for the 2MCE isos the the K live01:47
tomas_ive read the guide01:47
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JCDGread the article01:47
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tomas_in the article it asks for the LIVE CD01:49
runleveltentomas_: Sounds like you have an issue with linuxmce then.01:49
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runleveltenOr you're using a wrong/broken disk.01:49
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tomas_i gave him the iso image01:49
tomas_of Kubuntu desktop01:50
stdintomas_: we have told you several times, the Desktop CD is the Live CD01:50
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tomas_i understand that01:50
stdinthey are one and the same, if the installer isn't working, then it's a MCE problem01:50
tomas_but the limux mce does not01:50
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dthackerknowledge25: what is your sudo question?01:52
runleveltentomas_: the problem is that you have an mce problem.01:52
runleveltenI do not know about linux-mce. I am a kubuntu user.01:52
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tomas_ok then has anybody have my mce problem01:53
Lynouretomas_: there might be #linuxmce01:53
(runlevelten/#kubuntu) http://forum.linuxmce.com/01:54
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knowledge25The package lg3d-java3d needs to be reinstalled can somebody help me?01:54
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tomas_ok thx anyway01:55
runleveltentomas_: http://forum.linuxmce.com/01:55
runleveltenthere don't seem to be any mce related chans01:55
runleveltenon freenode anyway01:55
slougiknowledge25: apt-get install --reinstall lg3d-java3d should work01:55
runleveltenthat forum is the place to seek support.01:55
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knowledge25that don't work it say 13 Permission denied Could not open lock file01:57
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runleveltensudo apt-get01:58
runleveltenet cetera :)01:58
SlimeyPeteknowledge25: type "sudo apt-get install" instead of just "apt-get install"01:59
tomas_who has Winfast 2000 XP Expoert on Kubuntu working?01:59
tomas_or knows how to make it run02:00
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malqoswhere i can find downlaed files form amule?i change the catalog to /home/malqos/desktop but i dont see anything on desktop02:00
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tomas_kubuntu and Winfast XP Expert sameone???02:01
JDhow do i registre here??02:01
knowledge25nothing still not working02:01
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knowledge25my sudo won't work at all,somebody help me02:05
DragnslcrJCDG- /msg nickserv help02:05
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JCDGis there any girl??02:07
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knowledge25what is that mean The package lg3d-java3d needs to be reinstalled, but I can't find an archive for it.02:10
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ubuntu__hianyone can help me out02:12
Kriipsprobably, but i doubt it would be me02:12
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nosrednaekimwhats the problem?02:13
nosrednaekimknowledge25: means that you lost a repository that you had when you installed it02:13
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ubuntu__I wanna know what is use of a space on the left in the avant window navigator02:13
nosrednaekimubuntu__: hmm i don't use avant... sorry.02:14
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ubuntu__thank U02:14
ubuntu__all the same02:14
ubuntu__Kriips: do U know it?tell me,PLZ02:15
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Kriipsno, sry :(02:16
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ubuntu__oh!my,maybe i come to a wrong place,i should go to the chennel ubuntu?02:17
nosrednaekimubuntu__: there are more people there, so maybe02:18
ubuntu__thx!my english was too poor02:18
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nosrednaekimubuntu__: it wasn't bad :)02:19
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DexterFso - the TOR package is really outdated. what's canoniclas policy here? will there be a newer version or do I have to compile it myself?02:24
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SlimeyPetegood afternoon.02:27
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nosrednaekimgood morning...!02:30
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runleveltenYou can search for a package (say in places like backports) compile it, request it or make a newer package yourself02:31
maarten_nick moerten02:31
maarten_nick #Moerten02:31
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Moertenthank you too mate:S02:32
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runleveltenhi nosrednaekim02:32
BluesKajHowdy all :)02:32
BluesKajfeels like rain is on the way here ...there goes my outdoor project for today02:34
BluesKajgot a couple fence posts that need attention02:34
runleveltenrain is here atm. It's _fou_ outside.02:34
runlevelten_foul_ even.02:34
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martijn__nerdi am using a vpn connection from network-manager02:35
martijn__nerdbut to get it to work properly, i have to set ifconfig tun0 mut 120002:36
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martijn__nerdmtu sorry02:36
martijn__nerdis there a way to change the default setting of the mtu?02:36
AzzcoWhere can I most likely get some help with installing a controller?02:37
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nosrednaekimBluesKaj: rained here for 4 days straight.02:38
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Stimulus_solutiohello, i need to configure / create a windows vnc server in kubuntu, anyone know how?02:38
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BluesKajnosrednaekim, drought conditions here , no real rain for almost 4 weeks, just a few showers now and then02:39
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Moertenim looking forr someone wko can help me with a little problem02:39
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Stimulus_solutioits best to get to the point, people expect questions in here02:39
BluesKajMoerten, just ask your question02:39
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nosrednaekimBluesKaj: thats how it was here... and the  BANG.. was going to go camping this week too :(02:39
BluesKajbummer , nosrednaekim02:40
Stimulus_solutioVnc server configuration in linux for windows, know how?02:40
runleveltencreate a windows vnc server in linux?02:41
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fkmrunlevelten, slougi: If I click on "News" in Steam in my normal X session it opens the normal Firefox (/usr/lib/firefox/firefox-bin). What is strange though is that in the tree view of "KDE System Guard" it's 'below' steam.exe: init > kdeinit > steam.exe > firefox-bin02:41
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fkmI'll check what happens with my WINE X session in... let's say 30min02:41
runleveltenStimulus_solutio: the question isn't very clear. Could you elaborate?02:42
runleveltenfkm: interesting02:42
Moerteni want to connect a second flatscreen on my laptop, my vga card is known in ubuntu. So whats my problem. if 1 want to create an second desktop (not a clone) and i apply, ubuntu told me to restart the x server. If i do that me pc wont get back. it stops. and rebooting doesnt make any sence,02:42
Stimulus_solutiorunlevelten, yep, Im looking to do remote administration for windows users from linux using vnc, its easy. BUt i want to configure a windows executable server with my own password that I can email to someone who does not know how to configure a server.02:42
nosrednaekimfkm: probably becuase it was spanwed by and inherited by  steam02:43
Moertenif i reboot i gat a black srcreen with a cursor and thats all02:43
Moertenif that happens i need to reinstall ubuntu02:43
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fkmI guess so. But I'm no expert. So I thought if this was the case, Firefox should close when I close Steam. But that ain't the case here.02:45
nosrednaekimfkm: hmm thats odd.02:45
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fkmWhen I close Steam the firefox-bin is moved to init. And not init>kdeinit where i find it if I open it normally from the startmenu02:45
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nosrednaekimSteam probably does that02:46
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fkmLet me see where wine is in the tree :)02:46
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Moertenstimulus solution. Im not yet registerd.. sorrie02:47
runleveltenfkm: if that were the case it would be wineserver, not steam, anyway :)02:47
Moertenjoin kubuntu-nl02:47
fkmWerid. But what do I know :D steam.exe is in init>kdeinit too. But steamserver (which starts at the begining and then disappears when steam.exe appears :)) is in init02:47
knowledge25 what is that mean The package lg3d-java3d needs to be reinstalled, but I can't find an archive for it.02:48
fkmOk :)02:48
runleveltenthe VNC thing - there are several windows packages you can mail people pre-configured02:48
runleveltenyou need to google for that - ps, remember unix2dos if you edit text files in n?x02:48
seanpcrowe|hey all =)02:49
seanpcrowe|does anyone know if i can add a menu option to my wastebin to shred or overwrite etc files when emptying the wastebin???02:49
seanpcrowe|is this even possable?02:49
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runleveltenprobably, although I dunno where the menu for that icon is.02:51
runleveltenlet me look.02:51
Stimulus_solutiorunlevelten, ok cheers02:52
seanpcrowe|runlevelten, lulz, who where you talking to there?02:53
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runleveltenyou :)02:53
seanpcrowe|lol, awesome =)02:53
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stdinubotu's on strike02:56
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DexterFdamn. ok, need some pointers on how to create packages properly, i.e. not checkinstall. did it once on debian, but that was ages ago02:56
stdinmake sure you have debhelper and dh-make installed, then in the source dir "dh_make"02:58
stdinthat will make the debian/ dir02:58
Moertenis there anybody who wants to help me?02:58
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DexterFsounds almost too easy... what if there already is a deb-src package? what tool do I need to download it and how would I upgrade to a new version? how do I make apt prefer it as long as there's no newer version on the repositories?02:59
DexterFMoerten: just ask02:59
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Moertenyes but its a long question:P02:59
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Moertenand nobody is anwsering03:00
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stdinDexterF: if there is a deb-src "apt-get source package" and just edit the debian/changelog to make it a higher version that's in the repos. apt will always use the higher version, even if it's a local install03:01
DexterFMoerten: well if you know anyway nobody answers then you are right: there's no point asking. so you're all lost but at least you know where you stand, right?03:01
stdinDexterF: you can also grab the source of a higher version then you can also patch it with the .diff.gz to create the debian/ dir03:02
geniistdin: generally i just specify in apt-get command the version then it always likes that one after03:02
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DexterFstdin: thanks.03:03
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aguitelstdn, and aptitude ?03:10
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stdinaguitel: huh?03:11
aguitelstdn ,do you think aptitude is better than apt-get?03:11
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stdingenerally yes03:12
_Shade_can i run a xsession from a remote machine?03:12
_Shade_via ssh03:12
geniisince apt-get and dpkg are the backends to aptitude and adept if you feel more comfortable on command line then apt-get is the best way to install stuff03:12
aguitelstdn ,in what ocassion is better apt-get?03:13
stdin_Shade_: you can run applications over ssh, not full X03:13
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stdinaguitel: when you don't want recommends03:13
_Shade_stdin: but can i run graphical frontends as well?03:13
seezer_Shade_: there are many different ways to do this. a full xsession over ssh would involve a ssh tunnel and setting DISPLAY to the correct host03:13
seezerperhaps NX is what you're looking for03:14
runleveltenI've never tried running a session in Xnest over ssh -X - that might work though.03:14
stdin_Shade_: yeah, login with "ssh -X user@host" and run commands03:14
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stdin_Shade_: or use Xephyr and run "startkde" in a nested X window03:14
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stdinrunlevelten: it works, I've done it while curious :)03:15
aguitelstdn ,what means recommends?03:15
_Shade_stdin: cool... just playing around since i have managed to set up a lan network with a windows machine :)03:15
runleveltenlovely jubbly :)03:15
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stdinaguitel: a recommend is something a package recommends but doesn't depend on03:15
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_Shade_stdin: but will xephyr start display on my remote machine?03:16
aguitelstdn ok03:16
runleveltenOK, for a user to add custom service menu entries to wastebin, I'm considering adding a custom mimetype to the trash.desktop icon.03:17
runleveltenFor a mystery prize, what will break?03:17
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stdin_Shade_: no, it won't share the display, it runs the applications from the server and just lets you use them on the client03:17
seanpcrowe|i didnt think it would be this hard just to shred files in the wastebin :s03:17
stdin_Shade_: vnc is a "desktop sharing" thing03:18
_Shade_stdin: i am just going to try vnc but what should i do to start it on my kubuntu03:18
stdintake a look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VNCOverSSH03:19
runleveltenIt's not hard to shred them at all, you can just open trash:/ and shred everything in it if you want. Adding a menu was what yer wanted though :)03:19
_Shade_i have downloaded tightvnc on windows already.03:19
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seanpcrowe|runlevelten, to to able to "right click wastebin >>>> shred files" would be pretty neat...03:20
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runleveltenexactamundo :)03:20
seanpcrowe|if i can do what u say easily enough, then perhaps i should do that...03:20
snikkerthe CPU used by X.org is about 90% when i visit a web sites that use js (script.aculo.us  js) how can i solve this?03:21
seanpcrowe|only thing is runlevelten, i can see no shred or similar function when i explore the wastebin...03:21
runleveltensnikker: turn off js and only switch it on for sites which need it and don't do it crappily :)03:21
runleveltendrop the files on the shredder03:22
_Shade_stdin: there are some apps by default out there - krdc, krfb03:22
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snikkerrunlevelten: yes, i know that i can disable js, the problem is that i need it enabled...03:22
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The_Machinejust burned an iso image and wanted to test it in vmware, but when i put the CDROM into my drive it doesn't seem to be automounted or automatically recognized by kubuntu.  How can i manually make it "seen" by the OS?  (I'm used to having this automatically done for me)03:23
seanpcrowe|lulz runlevelten, i am seeing no shredder at all (i'm failing badly >.<)03:23
runleveltenDid you install the shredder when you started kgpg?03:24
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runleveltensnikker: try different browsers for heavy javascript pages.03:24
stimulusHello people.03:24
stimulusDoes anybody fancy making my website look better?03:24
AzzcoCan someone help me get this guitar controller to work I'm a bit stuck03:25
seanpcrowe|runlevelten, i installed kgpg via adept manager... i ended up with a encryption utilite... but no mention of a sredder...03:25
runleveltenie: when I use a heavy js page I choose Location  Open with  whatever03:25
runleveltenseanpcrowe|: the first run wizard installs a gui shredder for you03:25
snikkerrunlevelten: i've tried with firefox and opera, but nothing change...03:25
AzzcoI'll just try rebooting03:25
runleveltenwhat page, snikker?03:26
seanpcrowe|nope runlevelten, didnt... i will uninstall and reinstall to see if it works then...03:26
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snikkerit's a local page... just a moment that i search for an on-line page...03:27
runleveltenseanpcrowe|: you need to choose to03:27
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seanpcrowe|kgpg looks like a key managment app and nothing more... mmmmm... perhaps i am installing the wrong thing03:27
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richipsHow can I remove the last 3D accelerator driver installment I tried and start a new clean one for my ATI Radeon?03:28
richipsIt's all messed up...03:29
richipsI have the Mesa Drivers, but no 3D direct rendering.03:29
code_xhello, i need some help on setting up wirless can someone point me to the ndiskwrapper how to ?03:29
richipsAnd trying the wiki method doesn't work.03:29
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runleveltenkgpg is a integrated gpg software, that comes with a nice little shredder utility.03:30
adenicioi want to watch videos in streamin buit firefox need real player but it cant install wath could i do?03:31
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stdincode_x: see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs03:31
adeniciorunlevelten: ???03:31
runleveltenYou choose to install it in the first run wizard when it asks you if you want to install the shredder?03:31
snikkerrunlevelten: http://www.huddletogether.com/projects/lightbox2/  (clik on an image)03:31
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adeniciorunlevelten: yes then it said no plugin was install03:31
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slougisnikker: that works ok for me, around 10% cpu taken by X03:32
BluesKajis there an official "Icon" theat comes with acidrip ? mine is missing03:32
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runleveltensnikker: yeah, it's fine for me - using konqy.03:33
snikkerslougi: what graphic card did you have? i go up to 96%03:33
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seanpcrowe|runlevelten> You choose to install it in the first run wizard when it asks you if you want to install the shredder <---- no, it just appeared in my utilities menu runlevelten...03:33
snikkerrunlevelten: what graphic card did you have? i go up to 96%03:34
spirooI got serious problems with Gutsy when I was booting today as usual. The grpahic card and screen does not wanna come along I guess. And this is because nVidia drivers or a core problem when I was update.03:34
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runleveltensnikker: it goes up to 34% or so and back down to 1.7% almost immediately.03:34
slougisnikker: a built in intel one03:34
slougigm945 i think or something like that03:34
spirooThe screen light blinks alla the time after the loading bar have exit, just where nVidia logo is showed up.03:35
runleveltenwell firstly, kgpg -X <filename> shreds stuff.03:35
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snikkerslougi: i've got an nvidia with nvidia official drivers... :-(03:35
slougisnikker: what cpu?03:35
spirooThis happened after an update/upgrade in adept03:36
snikkerslougi: amd64 4000+03:36
snikkerslougi: what could be the problem?03:36
spirooBut, it has always been working before, not sure why me just now03:36
slougisnikker: hmm interesting, do you maybe use beryl or compiz?03:36
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adeniciostdin: how do i install real player for linux?03:36
snikkerslougi: yes, i've beryl installed... but it's not running now...03:37
runleveltensecondly, you can change first run to true in ~/.kde/share/config/kgpgrc and get the opportunity to put the shredder icon on your desktop again if you need it :)03:37
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stdinadenicio: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RealplayerInstallationMethods03:37
runleveltenor you can make a shortcut yourself if you can do that.03:37
slougisnikker: no idea really, sorry03:37
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snikkerslougi: ok. thanks...03:37
slougisnikker: you could try profiling to see where the time is spent03:37
spirooanyone know about the latest updates for gutsy which destroyed my computer? :D03:37
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snikkerslougi: i've not idea how to do it... can you help me?03:38
spirooi think it is like linux-image or anything like it03:38
runleveltenthirdly, you could add it to the recycle bin's context menu, but it would probably be better as a clickable icon or menu entry, then you could avoid creating a nasty kludge to get it on there :)03:39
slougisnikker: i wish i had some more time, but i can't walk you through it just now, but if you're up to it you can google for example oprofile03:39
runleveltens/recycle /waste/03:39
slougisnikker: also the xorg mailing list is pretty friendly, if you want to go straight to them to ask03:39
spiroorunlevelten, stdin: Anything you know about monitor changes in last updates?03:39
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seanpcrowe|runlevelten, ok dude i will try that, but, i have been poisoned by winblows so how do i get to ~/.kde/share/config/kgpgrc ???03:40
snikkerslougi: ok, i'll do as you said... thanks :-)03:40
stdinspiroo: asked in #ubuntu+1 ?03:40
slougisnikker: no problem =)03:40
runleveltenjust press alt + F2 and drop this in there :)03:40
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runleveltenkate ~/.kde/share/config/kgpgrc03:40
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seanpcrowe|awesome =)03:40
spiroonope guess I have to do. I ***** hate this. God is really against me, he does not want me to use linux. Maybe the god is Bill gates? .D03:41
runleveltenspiroo: If Bill Gates were God, you think air would be free?03:41
spiroohaha marbe not, but who knows ;P03:42
seanpcrowe|runlevelten, ok i got this, but there is no reference to first run... http://rafb.net/p/SPZdaX84.html03:42
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adeniciostdin: how do i add " deb http://archive.canonical.com/ubuntu dapper-commercial main" to my repos?03:42
runlevelten[General Options] 03:43
runleveltenFirst run=false03:43
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runleveltenhaha, true even03:43
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seanpcrowe|kk... i'll do that03:43
seezeradenicio: through "manage repositories" in adept manager or by adding the line to /etc/apt/sources.list03:44
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stdinadenicio: you add it to the 3rd part software tab in adept, but change "dapper-commercial" to the right version, eg "feisty-commercial"03:44
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seanpcrowe|runlevelten, \o/03:46
adeniciostdin: change dapper-commercial" to the right version, eg "feisty-commercial that part i dont understand03:46
seanpcrowe|you have provin your self a gentleman and a scholar yet once again...03:47
seanpcrowe|lol, thx dude =)03:47
stdinadenicio: are you on feisty edgy or dapper ?03:47
adeniciostdin: feisty03:47
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stdinadenicio: then change it to "feisty-commercial"03:47
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manchickenAnybody know how to change what time backup manager kicks off?03:48
elite101anyone here use the multi-protocal messenger "pidgin"?03:48
elite101instead of kopete?03:48
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manchickenelite101: I've used it before.  Why?03:49
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elite101ahh is it any good?03:49
adeniciostdin: evi try to change it it crashese03:49
manchickenelite101: I prefer Kopete.03:50
elite101like real "msn"? i need an msn messenger that can make audio conversation03:50
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elite101in kopete its only webcam03:50
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elite101i tried kopete/aMSN03:50
manchickenelite101: I don't know if kopete lets you do that or not.03:50
adeniciostdin: i tink it because of this update thing03:50
manchickenerr, pidgin03:50
emonkey-pafaik there is no linux audio msn client03:50
seanpcrowe|mmmm, doesn't seem to be much HDD activity when droped into the shredder... but i'm sure it works...03:50
elite101no it doesnt so i have been trying like alot of messengers03:51
manchickenI know that pidgin is still called gaim in feisty though, if you want to try it out.03:51
elite101well i just downloaded it now03:51
manchickenGive it a shot.03:51
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elite101my as well03:52
elite101lol its weird in the folder where pidgin was extracted there is a text file that says "hacking" ?? and a link saying for hacking pidgin please visit...03:54
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mrksbrdI need to edit my sources list, where would i give permissions to myself to be able to edit it????????????03:57
SlimeyPeteuse sudo.03:57
SlimeyPete"sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list" or "kdesu kate /etc/apt/sources.list", or similar if you us ea different editor03:58
mrksbrdok ty03:58
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runleveltenseanpcrowe|: to shred and empty your wastebin:04:01
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runleveltenseanpcrowe|: ^04:07
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lirei use ubuntu 6.06 and have a problem with apache; any apache expert here please?04:10
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seanpcrowe|runlevelten, awesome dude... thx a bunch... =)04:12
Assidlire: always mention what the error is too04:12
lirewhen i type this command: /etc/init.d/apache2 force-reload04:12
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lirei got this error msg: * Forcing reload of apache 2.0 web server... grep: /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/koha-httpd.conf: none file or directory of that type04:13
Assidlire: an im guessing you checked whether that file exists?04:13
runleveltenOh quick caveat seanpcrowe| - when you shred, directory names can be (potentially) recoverable.04:13
runleveltenJust so you know.04:13
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Assidyo rl04:13
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runleveltenhey Assid. How goes man?04:14
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liremy aim is not to check that file; i just want to start apache server04:14
Assidnot bad.. helping my bro pickup a laptop.. and i gotta get some work done04:14
seanpcrowe|kk runlevelten, have been reading up on suecure shreadding today in work... thats good to know04:14
lirelire: eererrer04:15
Assidyou apparently modified the httpd .. and therefore informed it to see that file. if you did.. you now have to make sure that file exists and has the config you want04:15
AssidELSE .. put back the original httpd.conf file or any other config file04:15
Assidhrmm i better pay the isp their cheque and soon04:15
runleveltenencrypted loops for the win though.04:16
runleveltenthey shred just lovely.04:16
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Assidencrypted loops?04:16
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Assidwtf.. someone elighten me04:16
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TheCreationistIs it possible to remote connect with vncviewer without announcing to the host that you've connected?04:18
runleveltenOh God, I just went to put SG1 on, and keyed in 166 instead of 106. MacGyver came on, so I got Jack O. N. with a puzzling blond mullet.04:18
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geniiBluesKaj: MacGyverese04:19
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BluesKajyup, i'm there04:21
Assidi need a good FTP client04:22
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aaron__Assid: filezilla04:22
Assidi wish flashfxp was for linux04:22
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BluesKajFF has a decent one from all reports04:22
aaron__I use winscp under wine. but don't tell anyone.04:22
AssidFF ?04:23
Assidfirefox ?04:23
spiroo__yes ff is firefox04:23
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Assidim used to flashfxp.. brilliant under windows.. but reports are sketchy for wine support04:23
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spiroo__But the actual acronyme is FX and not FF04:23
spiroo__smartftp is the greatest in windows :P04:24
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BluesKajget off the pot spiroo__ , no one refers to fireFox as FX . it's FF04:24
spiroo__no, look on W3C for yourself.04:24
spiroo__FF is wrong04:24
Assidnah.. flashfxp ftw.. but i need  something under nix04:24
spiroo__use KFTPGRABBER. I lovei t04:25
BluesKajno matter , the vernacular is what most ppl use here04:25
aaron__Assid: or filezilla. or gftp.04:25
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TheCreationistIs it possible to remote connect with vncviewer without announcing to the host that you've connected?04:25
spiroo__BluesKay: No04:25
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Assidi tried kasablanca.. it aint bad.. but lots of features missing04:25
runleveltenYou use winscp under wine?04:25
slougiwhy not konqueror with fish:// or sftp:// ?04:26
aaron__because i don't want to use konq with fish:// or sftp://04:26
spiroo__btw. FTP in Linux is far away than using FTP in Windows04:26
runleveltenThat's... that's like using wine to run minesweeper on windows...04:26
spiroo__*far away faster ;P04:27
BluesKajspiroo__, ok I bt if you start using the FX reference, most users will ask you what you mean, but if you use FF , most will know you are referring to FireFox and won't ask you :)04:27
spiroo__I mean the transfer not the application04:27
aaron__It's fine for the litlte bit I use it.04:27
slougiaaron__: any particular reason? just out of interest.04:27
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aaron__because I'm also a windows network admin. i like to keep it the same when i can.04:27
Assidi like queues and stuff04:27
aaron__and there's nothing wrong with it.04:27
spiroo__BluesKaj: I know what FF is, but the correct thing is FX trust me04:27
Assidand the proxy nat support etc on flashfxp just rocks!04:27
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spiroo__hehe not any features I need :P04:28
spiroo__Just want to connect and transfer fast ;P04:28
BluesKajdoesn't matter , most will think you are talking about "effects" as in the movie "FX"04:28
aaron__i also use outlook 2003 w/ crossover office. there's nothing in linux that compares.04:28
runleveltenWell each to their own, but I still think you're bonkers.04:29
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slougiaaron__: i've no problem with that, but i agree with runlevelten on the winscp bit04:29
spiroo__Anyway BluesKaj: As I work with webdesign and webdevelopment I know, but sure I could use FF in just this channel if you want :D04:29
spiroo__aaron__: openoffice then?04:30
slougiit's not really as good as ms office04:30
runleveltenaaron__: SSH on windows tends to boil down to a few half-boiled ports of really great unix utilities, so you can see why I'd be shocked. :)04:30
BluesKajuse what you want , I'm pointing out that common usage usually overrides official names :)04:30
aaron__spiroo__: an outlook replacement isn't a part of openoffice.04:30
runleveltenslougi: the trial of ms office forbids copy and paste to other apps. It got worse than notepad the second they had that idea.04:30
spiroo__BluesKaj: I know but I am trying to change on that ;P But sure FF if you want so04:30
slougirunlevelten: heh wow04:31
aaron__runlevelten: show me something that's like or better than winscp and i'd happily evaluate it.04:31
slougirunlevelten: still, ms office is faster, more stable, nicer looking, easier to use, and more versatile than openoffice, at least according to my experience.04:31
runleveltenNo business I know of can afford to have its information held hostage for any reason. Nice of Microsoft to give a heads-up in we can see during a feasibility test though.04:31
slougii really really deterst oo.o04:31
lireassid: i've found the solution04:31
spiroo__aaron__: There is better email clients. I was also comparing windows software with linux software in the beginning. but I have discovered thata there is better software in Linux, ususally anyway :P04:31
spiroo__And try Thunderbird then maybe?04:32
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runleveltenslougi: all agreed - but if the information can be held hostage like that, what alternatives are they offering?04:32
aaron__thunderbird is pale in comparison.04:32
Assidoutlook ?04:32
Assiderr.. if you wanna compare against outlook you can always try out evolution04:32
runleveltendepends what for, though04:32
slougirunlevelten: i see your point and agree, but it just is impossible to use openoffice sometimes04:32
aguitelhow to add session in kubuntu like in gnome?04:33
spiroo__aaron__: hehe maybe04:33
crubeFor some reason when I log into Fluxbox it doesn't mount my external HD. What does Kubuntu use for this? I need to know so I can run it in fluxbox aswell04:33
slougirunlevelten: for all of my own stuff i use mostly lyx anyway04:33
runleveltenslougi: openoffice export ruined my resume once, did I mention that?04:33
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slougirunlevelten: no, but you did now ;)04:33
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aaron__i don't like all of the damn carats that email clients stick in there. outlook keeps the conversation clean and nice. 30 replies into an email with something like thunderbird, and you can't read your mail because of all of the >>>>>04:33
runleveltenI found a bug which only manifested itself in one instance, and ended up mailing a broken layout.04:33
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aaron__i know that those are RFC compliant, but i don't care. it's annoying04:34
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Assidaaron_: you can modify that04:34
runleveltenaaron__: You can adjust those.04:34
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NickPrestaaaron_, there are various extensions for Thunderbird which allow for "clean quotes"04:34
runleveltenI've known companies where outlook is banned, actually, heh.04:34
Assidactually i need one of those04:34
aaron__NickPresta: its ugle for the other half too04:34
Assiderr.. outlook causes way too many issues for me04:34
runleveltenaaron__: what is it you like in scp?04:35
slougipersonally just use kontact/kmail ;)04:35
Assid1 single folder for all my emails ? damn scary though04:35
slougiseems to work pretty well04:35
Assiderr.. single file04:35
Assidif the pst gets corrupt.. which it does..  you lose everything04:35
runleveltenkmail is a dream once you're used to it.04:35
Assiderr.. i tried kmail runlevelten04:35
runleveltenEspecially for the integration and the configurability.04:35
slougirunlevelten: well, it does have its bugs04:35
Assidhad to move back to thunderbird04:35
Assidi mean its nice.. brilliantly fast..04:35
Assidbut wayy too many issues for me04:36
slougiAssid: like what?04:36
runleveltenwhat issues man?04:36
aaron__runlevelten: i don't know really.04:36
slougii haven't had any big ones04:36
NickPrestaI don't like Thunderbird anymore either. I much prefer KMail to TB.04:36
Assidfirst and foremost.. multiple pop accounts dont have seperate root folders04:36
slougiAssid: that's very easy to fix04:36
runleveltenaaron__: I assume you're aware that you can attach an ssh folder in KDE and use it like a folder or webdav thingy?04:36
aaron__runlevelten: yes.04:37
aaron__i just use it for light file transfer now and then.04:37
runleveltenand what didn't you like about that?04:37
aaron__i have a vpn between the places i need.04:37
Assidrunlevelten: not if it uses an identity file04:37
spiroo__seems like outlook is better kind a :D04:37
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Assidslougi: make a folder inside and use rules?04:37
runleveltenAssid: I have different folders for different pop accounts04:37
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runleveltenNo, you specify it in the account's settings.04:38
Assidrunlevelten: seperate root folders?04:38
slougiAssid: for instance04:38
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runleveltenie thisaddress@blah.com with inbox trash sent etc, thataddress@blah.com with...04:38
Assidslougi:  yeah i know i can have a seperate inbox per account.. but i want it at the root level.. like how you do for imap accounts04:39
liekei have a problem with installing ubuntu04:39
liekesomeone who can help me plz??04:39
runleveltenAssid: "local folders" is a mechanism to separate it from searches, etc.04:39
crubeFor some reason when I log into Fluxbox it doesn't mount my external HD. What does Kubuntu use for this? I need to know so I can run it in fluxbox aswell. It's not it fstab, so I'm quessing it's some program04:39
spiroo__lieke: what is the problem?04:39
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slougilieke: just ask, don't ask to ask ;)04:40
liekewell, when i"m buzzy installing, it stops at 70%04:40
Assidi dont know. im gonn wait for kmail to fix those bugs.. till then.. thunderbird seems to do the task04:40
Assidits slower tho.. thats waht i dont like about thunderbird04:40
TheCreationistIs it possible to remote connect with vncviewer without announcing to the host that you've connected?04:40
Assidits soooo much more faster under windows :|04:40
runleveltenI don't think the local folders paradigm is going anywhere to be honest...04:40
spiroo__lieke, what happends on 70 percent?04:41
liekeit stops and it isnt installed04:41
liekethe window is gone04:41
liekei checked the cd on faults04:41
aaron__problems with kmail: replies at the bottom, and the damn carats.04:41
Assidi wish they do something about the speeds in tbird.. its freaking slow04:41
liekefaults = errors04:41
spiroo__uhm, maybe corrupt data on your linux CD?04:41
slougiAssid: the firefox/thunderbird code base is pretty horrible, at some point i looked at how difficult it would be to add qt support to firefox (there used to be support for this many moons ago), it was ridiculously difficult04:41
Assidaaron_:  you can change that04:41
liekeno i checked for errors04:41
Assidslougi: didnt even know thats possible04:42
spiroo__Hmm not sure if it just crashes like that. Could be anything. Which dist?04:42
Assidman my compiz benchmark just goes slower and slower04:42
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spiroo__Gutsy, Feisty?04:42
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Assidhold on.. jumpting to kwin04:42
slougiAssid: that's how they do cross-platform support, they abstract everything away under a layer of c++ and javascript, the codebase is very crufty04:42
liekenow i booted from the cd and it shows the login window04:42
liekefeisty yes04:43
spiroo__hmm, not quite sure, what that could depends on, anyone else know?04:43
liekewhats the password for the login window, spiroo__04:43
maverick_guys, i always forget this command...the one which outputs the system devices logs...someone could remind me?04:43
Assidone sec.. rerstarting X04:44
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slougimaverick_: dmesg ?04:44
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liekepassword for the login window with username ubuntu? someone?04:45
slougilieke: what do you mean?04:45
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liekei booted from the cd. normally it goes to kde without asking for a login but now suddenly it does...?04:45
spiroo__what? should not ask for password04:46
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liekeindeed, strange hey?04:46
slougilieke: it probably installed ok and you booted from hd04:46
spiroo__Now I really not know. Yes very strange04:46
slougithere's really no way the livecd asks for a password04:46
spiroo__slougi, maybe04:46
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liekei tried to login from lieke but it failed04:46
Assidapparetly didnt need to eeven do that04:46
runleveltenIf you haven't installed, it sounds like a corrupt CD or a stuffed up drive to me.04:46
Assidjust jump to kwin and backl04:47
aaron__i don't see where to remove the carat'ing in kmail. anyone help?04:47
liekei copied the cd already 5 times04:47
slougiaaron__: for quoting previous mails?04:47
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liekei reboot now and try again04:48
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slougiaaron__: in the settings composer sheet -> templates tab04:48
slougithere's quote indicator etc.04:49
slougiclick on "How does this work?" for help ;)04:49
aaron__slougi: cool. i didn't see that those are tab thingers.04:50
slougiaaron__: yeah i had that widget myself as well04:50
slougitoolbox i think it is called04:50
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liekeit's booting normal guys!04:51
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liekei press the installbutton ^^04:51
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liekemy friend told me to make a bootpartition, is this necessary04:52
aaron__kmail won't let you NOT have a quote indicator.04:53
voidmageMy installer is stuck at "Running grub-install (hd0) 94%"04:53
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voidmageis that the last thing it does04:53
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voidmageand if so, is it safe to kill ubiquity and run it myself?04:53
maverick_slougi: yess,,, thnx04:53
lumarkcan you help me with adept??04:53
liekevoidmage, mine is also!04:54
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liekeat the normal install04:54
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liekedo i have to make a bootpartition?04:55
BluesKajaol germany ...gawd04:56
Artimuslieke: As in for /boot?04:56
brendan___Hello, i have a nfs mounted /home, with works great, except that there is a link to /home on anyones desktop who logges into the computer04:56
brendan___is there a way to dissable this?04:56
voidmageanyone know what to do about ubiquity being stuck at 94% grub-install?04:56
liekeArtimus, yes as in for /boot04:56
brendan___voidmage, how long has it been at 94%04:57
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voidmageabout 10 minutes04:57
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voidmagemaybe longer04:57
Artimuslieke: I'd recommend *NOT* making a separate boot partition.  It just adds complexity and ways for things to go wrong04:57
liekeokey! thanks ^^04:58
BluesKajlieke, boot partition ? you  mean bootloader like grub ?04:58
runleveltenbrendan___: alt + F2  Desktop  Behaviour  Device Icons and uncheck "Mounted NFS shares"04:58
ArtimusBluesKaj: No, mounting /boot on its own partition04:58
BluesKajnot a good idea04:58
runleveltenor similar entry.04:58
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ArtimusBluesKaj: It's an ok practice, it won't hurt anything if you know what you're doing.  "If you're unsure if you need a separate boot partition, then you don't need one"04:59
liekeis gentoo more difficult than ubuntu? becuz otherwise i install gentoo04:59
BluesKajthe bootloader does use the first 512 bytes on the HDD from what I've read , but using a partition04:59
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NickPrestaI have a mysql account that I created when I compiled mysql from source. I would like to keep this account but I don't want it to show in the user list. I want it to be part of the "system accounts". How can I do this?05:00
Artimuslieke: Slightly more difficult.  However, Ubuntu takes me about 30 minutes to install.  Gentoo about 3 hours.05:00
voidmagewhat's the command to see what processes are using a file?05:00
Artimusvoidmage: perhaps lsof05:00
BluesKajlieke, whynot go visit gentoo then , we support kubuntu here05:00
liekeok, but Artimus, the installer failed for the 6th times and i'm busy for 3 hours soooo....05:00
Artimuslieke: Where did it fail?05:01
brendan___voidmage, fuser for a specific file05:01
voidmagewhy is grub-install STILL running05:01
liekebut i want ubuntu! not gentoo05:01
Artimuslieke: Where did the (K)ubuntu installer fail?05:01
liekealways at another place05:01
brendan___voidmage, you could use strace and see what its doing05:01
runleveltenlieke - are you trying to install to a dell optiplex?05:01
ArtimusSounds like a bad disk.  Reburn the CD.05:01
liekesometimes at 70%, sometimes at 30...05:01
brendan___voidmage, strace -p PID05:01
voidmageit's a cd from shipit.05:01
brendan___voidmage, where PID is the pid of grub-install05:02
liekeno runlevelten, on a benq05:02
BluesKajlieke, this is Kubuntu , you want Ubuntu type, /join #ubuntu05:02
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liekeno its kubuntu, typo05:02
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ArtimusI'm gussing badly downloaded ISO, badly burned cd, or scratched cd05:03
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ArtimusI'm off, migrating my Debian box to Kubuntu05:03
liekeno Artimus, i checked the cd for errors05:03
liekeand i copied already 6 times Artimus05:03
runleveltenor strange mobo chipset.05:03
Artimuslieke: Did you verify th DOWNLOAD?05:03
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liekeno not realy05:04
liekefrom site do you download05:04
brendan___runlevelten, thanks allot05:04
runleveltenlieke: well that's zero checking done then.05:04
runleveltenbrendan___: No probs at all :)05:04
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liekehow do you check?05:04
Assidkftpgrabber seems nice05:04
Assidso far05:05
Artimuslieke: What OS is on the box that has the .iso downloaded?05:05
liekewindows xp05:05
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liekei have the md5sum05:05
voidmageit was so messed up i had to reboot05:05
voidmageguess i'm starting this over again05:05
liekei have this site runlevelten ^^05:05
Artimuslieke: runlevelten gave you the link to the MD5sums.  Download that file to the same folder as your ISO.  Then download this: http://www.toast442.org/md5/05:05
runleveltenlieke: you cannot use an md5sum from a website to check. There is NO way you just ran an md5sum check on the iso between those two lines.05:06
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lieketnx Artimus05:06
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lieketnx runlevelten05:06
runleveltenlieke: No probs at all.05:06
runleveltenlieke: It's possible you have screwy hardware, you know. Where did you say it was freezing?05:07
Artimuslieke: Best of luck.  I'll probably be back on IRC in a few minutes while Kubuntu is installing if you need further help.  Just leave me a message in the channel with my name in it.05:07
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liekeat different places (70% , 30%)05:07
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lieketnx arti05:07
voidmagecan i strace a running process?05:07
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runleveltenlieke: Do you have an i810 or unichrome integrated GPU?05:08
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liekerunlevelten, i 950 or nvidia05:09
runleveltenand does it spit an error at you, or does the display unceremoniously die?05:09
runleveltenor something else?05:09
liekeit dies05:10
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NickPresta!away | kaminix05:10
runleveltengoes black?05:10
NickPrestaubot =(05:10
runleveltenand does the machine reboot at that point?05:10
liekeno,goes desktop05:11
liekeno, runlevelten05:11
kaminixNickPresta: What?05:11
runlevelten so the screen doesn't go black or anything?05:11
liekethe download is correct, checksum maches, runlevelten05:11
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liekeno runlevelten, it goes to desktop05:11
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liekerunlevelten, can i click the installbutton or do you know the problem?05:13
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liekeartimus, the md5sum is correct05:13
runleveltenlieke: are you able to paste the output of tail -n 100 /var/log/installer/syslog into pastebin?05:13
Artimuslieke: bummer05:13
runleveltenand provide me with the URL05:13
BluesKajI guess ubotu is off line ATM ...dunno why . I assume the ops are working on it.05:14
runleveltenubotu's having an operation.05:14
BluesKajbrain transplant ?05:14
ArtimusI rather like this livecd installer.  Konsole, Kopete, and Konqueror are nice to have while installing.05:14
liekebut i have to leave the gui to use the comment and then i cant login again05:14
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runleveltenleave the gui?05:15
runleveltenYou should start an x terminal05:15
liekeno its okay sorry, runlevelten05:15
runleveltennp :)05:16
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liekeokay and what do you want to know?05:16
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liekerunlevelten, what do you want to know05:16
runleveltenpaste the output of tail -n 100 /var/log/installer/syslog into pastebin.com and give the url you end up at05:16
ArtimusDoes anyone use package sources other than the standard Ubuntu ones?  Right now, the only other source I've got is for Wine.  I'm wondering if there are any other popular choices.05:17
code_xhello, i need help setting up ndiswrapper, can any point me to a how to ?05:17
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liekeokey tnx runlevelten05:17
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Assidsomeone wanna help me move 140 domains across servers ;)05:17
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code_xhow do i get my wireless setup ?05:19
liekerunlevelten, http://pastebin.com/d6b0221cd05:19
thedeathhola buenas05:19
thedeathalguien que able espaol?05:19
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runleveltenYou don't have /var/log/installer/syslog?05:20
liekeno, runlevelten05:20
stdinthedeath:  Si busca ayuda en Espaol por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendr mas ayuda.05:20
liekethe mapinstaller doesn't exists05:20
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runleveltenSi busca ayuda en Espaol por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendr mas ayuda.05:20
NickPrestaArtimus, I use the Medibuntu source, trevino, and the Subpixel Fonts rendering package,05:20
ArtimusNickPresta: Yeah, I just found Medibuntu hrough google, I'm glad I don't have to build those myself.05:21
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liekerunlevelten, i didn't installed yet, maybe that's why it doesnt exist05:21
runlevelteno, is this a fresh boot?05:22
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runleveltenHeh :)05:22
runleveltenWell let's try and get that file after the install fails without rebooting :)05:22
liekei asked you if i had to press the installbutton ^^05:22
BluesKajArtimus, there's also Seveas and if you really wanna load up the sources try source-o-matic05:22
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liekeokey  runlevelten ^^05:22
liekesorry :s05:23
runleveltena webpage where you can (re)generate your sources.list - http://www.ubuntu-nl.org/source-o-matic05:23
runleveltennothing to be sorry for at all, matey05:23
aguitelis there something wrong coexist adep with synaptic ?05:23
NickPrestaaguitel, nope.05:24
BluesKajno, both can co-exist , aguitel05:24
jussi01you just cant run them both at the same time05:25
liekeit starte runlevelten05:25
runleveltenGood, good.05:25
liekecopying files...05:26
aguiteli am asking because when are to aplication in my desktop everytime when i try to open ( or adept or synaptic) nothing happens and in the seconds instance ( both works)05:26
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liekego Guido!05:28
lieke(that's the name of my pc ^^)05:28
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voidmageis it supposed to take a really long time to partition?05:28
voidmageI always forget, especially when dealing with laptops05:28
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liekerunlevelten, it stopped at 54%!05:29
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liekenow he only knows version runlevelten05:30
liekei see /var/lo/installer/version05:30
liekenothing else05:30
trekdannehow can I start a konsole without any kwin borders?05:30
runleveltenpaste the output of tail -n 100 /var/log/installer/syslog into pastebin.com and give the url you end up at05:30
liekehe cannot open such file runlevelten05:31
runleveltentrekdanne, that's in the altf3 menu, i expect you can set a window-specific behaviour in kcontrol05:31
runleveltentry /var/log/syslog again then05:31
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liekeokay! it works05:32
ubuntu_hola hay alguien de colombia05:33
liekepastebin.com/d42ee847c runlevelten05:33
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runleveltenOuch. whaddya think of that, stdin?05:34
stdinnot good, that's for sure05:34
Tm_Tlieke: how much ram?05:35
trekdannerunlevelten: i was actually looking for some option to kstart or konsole itself so i could start it from the console05:35
runleveltenLooks like bad burns05:35
lieke1024 i think05:35
liekeit's a centrino 205:35
runleveltenlieke: you may be burning coasters05:35
liekewhat do you mean runlevelten?05:35
Tm_Tlieke: you checked disc?05:35
liekeand the sum also05:36
ubuntu_alguien qu e hable espaol05:36
Tm_T!es | ubuntu_05:36
Tm_Tubuntu_: #ubuntu-es05:36
stdinubuntu_:   Si busca ayuda en Espaol por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendr mas ayuda.05:36
Tm_Tstdin: haha05:36
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runleveltencould be all sorts of stuff. Bad burns would be the nicest one. :(05:37
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stdinhmm, now I need some milk to go with them...05:38
liekebut i tried to copy it already 6 times and on 2 different pcs :s05:38
genii!helpersnack | stdin05:38
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geniiBah I forgot the bot is on holiday :)05:38
Tm_Tlieke: try alternate install05:38
stdinstdin: Wow! You're such a great helper, you deserve a cookie! :p05:38
liekehow does that goes?05:38
Tm_Tstdin: =)05:38
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seanpcrowe"Error opening/initializing the selected video_out (-vo) device." anyone encounter this before with mplayer?05:40
liekethis is my 7th cd, guys.. and i'm a student05:40
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liekeburning at 4x05:40
slougiseanpcrowe: yes, it means the ouput plugin could not be initialised. which one are you using?05:40
stdinseanpcrowe: try -vo xv05:40
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seanpcrowelol slougi... how do i change the plugin,,, from within mplayer its self??05:41
slougiseanpcrowe: in the settings, i don't use it and don't quite recall05:41
stdinseanpcrowe: the settings are stored in ~/.mplayer/config05:42
slougilook for video output settings05:42
seanpcrowekk guys...05:42
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slougistdin: aren't the settings for gmplayer in a different file though?05:42
voidmagenow it's stuck at 94% configuring hardware05:42
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runleveltenmplayer configuration. now there be dragons :\05:43
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liekei will not sleep until kubuntu is installed!05:43
seanpcroweok i alt-F2 then "kate ~/.mplayer/gui.conf"05:43
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Fractionanyone have an idea what might be wrong with my gfx card / driver? It shows glxgears and can display the opengl acceleradet screen savers, but if I try some other program ( for instance tuxkart) I get alot of flicker on the screen05:44
seanpcroweok guys this is what i got http://rafb.net/p/Cw6CBb86.html05:44
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stdinseanpcrowe: see ' vo_driver = "xmga"' change it to ' vo_driver = "x11" '05:46
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seanpcrowewhat does that mean??? (changing it now)05:46
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Xera^What driver should I be using with an ATi 9250 PCI card?05:46
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Xera^FGLRX won't work05:47
Xera^X doesn't start. :/05:47
stdinseanpcrowe: you had it set to use the driver for "Matrox G200/G4x0/G550"05:47
slougiXera^: the radeon driver05:47
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slougiXera^: fglrx doesn't support chips below r30005:47
seanpcrowelol stdin...05:47
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slougiseanpcrowe: also try xv in place of x11, it should be a bit faster and scale the content also05:48
Xera^slougi, you mean that crap driver made by ATi? :(05:48
slougiXera^: fglrx is made by ati, the "radeon" driver comes with X05:48
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Blauhautguys my kubuntu is just mount the dvds05:49
Blauhautnot normal cds05:49
seanpcrowesame error... i will try "xv" now05:49
elite101Hey, im having sound problems i have a creative card and i cant seem to hear sound online? like on youtube or anything i can play songs on my computer and watch videos and hear them its just that online i cant hear anything neither on Konqueror/Firefox?05:49
Blauhautseanpcrowe;  xv  ?05:50
seanpcrowemmmm, when i change the setting, when i restart mplayer,,, it over writes the change back to the matrox one >.<05:50
elite101i think im going to have to uninstall firefox and re-install?05:50
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seanpcroweBlauhaut, a setting in mplayer...05:50
elite101anyone have that problem b4? ^^^05:51
slougielite101: what do you mean? youtube is online too05:51
elite101yeah but anything on the webbroswer05:51
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elite101i can play videos ones i downloaded05:51
stdinseanpcrowe: you can set it in gmplayer, right-click it > preferences05:51
elite101and songs i downloaded its just when anything audio on the webbroswer is playing i cant hear it?05:51
seanpcroweyeah, i am in the video part now stdin05:52
elite101i tried changing Kmix settings but nothing is working? is it both the browsers's? i tried Konqueror and Firefox...05:52
seanpcroweand i see the matrox one there... but no way for me to manipulate it05:52
liekeguys,can i update an old version of kubuntu?05:53
stdinseanpcrowe: just select the vx or x11 one05:53
stdinlieke: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes05:53
stdinelite101: not bot in here today05:53
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seanpcrowestdin, awesome dude... i do the sillyest things sometimes >.< lol05:54
liekei caN?this is the end of my boyfriend 's live05:54
seanpcrowethanks stdin & slougi =)05:54
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stdinlieke: follow the link i gave you05:54
liekei do05:55
lieketnx stdin05:55
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Xera553 frames in 5.0 seconds = 110.574 FPS05:55
XeraThat's less than what I was getting with the ati driver05:55
seanpcroweone last question guys... this one is even sillyer... where do i change the applications that open for filetypes?05:56
stdinseanpcrowe: in konqueror, settings > configure konqueror > file associations05:56
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stdinseanpcrowe: or just right click the file and select "open with" then check the "Remember association for this type"05:57
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seanpcroweawesome stdin... thanks once again =)05:57
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elite101stdin, has a huge brain and is very smart :)05:59
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stdinerm, ok :p06:00
localcan you hear me?06:00
elite101i cant hear u06:00
XeraNo we can't06:00
stdinlocal: no, but I can read what you type06:00
localanyway what is the name of that compitabilty thingy?06:01
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stdinwhich one? wine?06:01
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localyah that was the name06:01
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elite101i got a new nvidia card :)06:03
elite101well i wouldnt call it new but,06:03
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elite101better than 8mb06:03
elite101its 64mb Nvidia TNT something..06:03
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elite101has anyone played Vicecity on linux? using wine?06:04
Fractionis there a good way to check whether your gfx card works properly?06:05
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elite101run a game?06:05
elite101but there is a better way,06:05
Fractiontuxkart kinda works.. it's some flicker.. but the gl accelerated screensavers works without a problem06:06
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elite101well i will be right back im going to buy a Blank CD for Xubuntu06:06
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rayluFraction, what brand?06:08
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Fraction00:02.1 Display controller: Intel Corporation Mobile 945GM/GMS/940GML Express Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 03)06:08
FractionI have some problems with opengl and wanna know whether its the gfx card thats wrong or something else06:09
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stdinFraction: the intel drivers are open source so are installed by default. what problems are you having?06:09
neverbluecrontab: '53 8 * * * user xset -display :0.0 dpms force off' command line: 'xset -display :0.0 dpms force off'. The command line works perfect, but the crontab command does not, am I doing something wrong?06:09
Fractionstdin: when I start for instance tuxcart black boxes or sprites is visible for a millisecond or so (flicker?) also when playing movies, if I move the kaffeine window in which the movie is played it turns blue06:11
Fractionthe last of those 2 isnt really a problem but it shouldnt be that way, right ?06:11
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stdinFraction: are you using beryl or compiz too?06:12
Fractionstdin: nop06:13
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stdinFraction: I have the same card, the only time I get that "blue" effect with moves is when using a 3d window manager06:14
Xera./ati-installer.sh: 165: Syntax error: Bad substitution06:16
XeraRemoving temporary directory: fglrx-install06:16
XeraATi officially SUCK06:16
Fractionstdin: ok strange, do you have any other problems with your opengl?06:16
Fractioncause I have when playing opengl-games06:16
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Fractionbut not with opengl screensavers which is strange06:16
stdinFraction: nope, all works as it should. but I am using the "intel" video driver, not the "i810" one06:17
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Fractionstdin: when I use that driver I get huge font06:19
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Fractionits like 3 letters populate the entire screen06:19
boubbinwhen i go kcontrol i dont find the "managing of the mountpoints" -tool there anymore, i have tweo kubutus installed in two different machines, the other one has the other dont. how come ?06:20
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Fractionstdin: if I change driver take a printscreen and put a link to the file, you think u could look at it and see if its a "common problem" ?06:21
stdinFraction: sure06:21
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dwidmann_stdin: running gutsy eh?06:26
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localwhy cant i download exe files?06:28
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dwidmann_Mine is some awkward combination of Feisty and Gutsy, but at least it worked with minimal effort :)06:28
dec_how can I check to see the version of kde I am running?06:28
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stdindec_: in any kde app, Help > About KDE06:28
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localwhy cant i download exe files06:31
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dwidmann_local: you can't? I don't see why you'd want to, but I don't see any reason they wouldn't be downloadable either ...06:31
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raven24hello! I have a problem with my new notebook: no sound...06:32
dwidmann_What does it do when you try?06:32
Fractionsigh, how do I take a screenshot at the "login"-state06:32
locali wanna test to use exe files with the wine06:32
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dwidmann_raven24: Sometimes it's just muted, you sure it's not muted?06:33
maverick_who's responsible for ubuntu's repos. ?06:33
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raven24yes absolutely sure... i looked up my chipset at google and i found out that it could be a problem with the kernel module06:34
dwidmann_what chipset is it?06:35
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raven24lspci says: 00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801H (ICH8 Family) HD Audio Controller (rev 03)06:35
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dwidmann_raven24: type lsmod | grep snd, what modules are listed?06:37
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agresorHello i have big problems with Burning CD, I have DVD-RW and CD-RW  2 rooms' and I can not burn anything with k3b or cd-burner.    BURN PROCES FAILED. CAn anyone Help PLEASE ?????06:38
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raven24snd_hda_intel, snd_pcm_oss, snd_mixer_oss, snd_pcm, snd_seq_dummy, snd_seq_oss, snd_seq_midi, snd_rawmidi, snd_seq_midi_event, snd_seq, snd_timer, snd_seq_device06:39
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Fractionis it possible to take a screenshot before you have logged in?06:41
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agresorHello i have big problems with Burning CD, I have DVD-RW and CD-RW  2 rooms' and I can not burn anything with k3b or cd-burner.    BURN PROCES FAILED. CAn anyone Help PLEASE ?????06:41
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drewcipher_agresor, I was having the same issue.   I don't have the correct fix but I was able to work around  by launching from sudo on command line    sudo k3b06:42
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agresordrewcipher_,  :s06:43
agresorHow tof ix ?06:44
drewcipher_agresor, I'd try with sudo k3b.  if it works then you know it is just a matter of permissions.06:44
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agresordrewcipher_,  i truyed .. still not working.06:44
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dwidmann_agresor: if it really is permissions issues, in k3b go to settings -> setup systems permissions06:45
raven24dwidmann_: according to google snd_hda_intel is the correct module, but still no sound06:45
drewcipher_agresor;  drats06:45
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dwidmann_raven24: hmm, yeah, sounds right06:45
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drewcipher_dwidmann:  I'll try it out.  thanks.06:46
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jerwarei just coppied a file to my usb drive.06:46
jerwareumount: /media/disk: device is busy06:46
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agresordrewcipher_,  what about drats ?06:46
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jerwarei just  want my usb drive.06:46
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SubOnecan anyone tell me the imagemagick command to convert a png to 24bit?06:46
drewcipher_oh, sorry.  drats was slang for "son of a !@#!"06:47
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maverick_Doea anyone agree with me that amarok in feisty sucks ?!!06:47
jerwaremaverick_: i use vlc for everything06:47
raven24jerware: did you close all windows (including command line) showiing the content of your usb stick?06:47
jerwareraven24: thanx :P06:47
maverick_VLC mainly for playng the unplayable ;)06:48
SubOnemaverick_: it works great for me06:48
dwidmann_raven24: looks like anything silly or stupid has been ruled out then ... I really don't know what you'll be able to do from there though. Maybe crimsun would know, he's positively brilliant when it comes to sound related stuff.06:48
maverick_SubOne: it's very laggy06:48
maverick_SubOne: very slow06:48
SubOnemaverick_: not for me06:48
dwidmann_maverick_: afraid I can't agree, I don't think it sucks in Feisty06:48
raven24dwidmann_: thanks, i'll ask him...06:48
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maverick_it was woking great in edgy , now in fesity i populate my media library and everything goes messy and keeps halting then coming back06:49
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SubOnecan anyone tell me the full imagemagick command to convert a png to 24bit?06:51
agresorSubOne, man imagemagick06:51
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SubOneagresor: is it -posterize?06:54
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crubeWhat does kubuntu use to automount hd's? My fluxbox doesn't automount my USB-HD, so I need to know if there's some program I need to run for it to work.07:03
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pascalIs there a small command-program or script that can send mail through smtp?07:07
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RoeyI mounted an SSH volume with FUSE, and I get this when I try to list the directory as a non-root user:07:09
Roey?--------- ? ?    ?          ?                ? home07:09
Roeywhat the heck is that???07:09
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stdinRoey: don't mount it as root then...07:12
Roeystdin:  how do I enable users to mount fuse volumes, then?07:12
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stdinRoey: they should already be, as long as they are in the fuse group07:13
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Roeystdin:  ahhhhhhhhhh ok then.07:16
Roeyfuse groupp.07:16
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Tm_TRoey: you use sshfs or fuse straight?07:19
RoeyI'm in the fuse group...er... I added my user just now to to the fuse group in /etc/fuse, but I forgot how to add it to my user in their current shell (I tried newgrp roey but it rejects my password)07:21
llutzRoey: addgroup user fuse07:21
Roeyahh ok07:22
Roeythanks :)07:22
Roey13:21:43 ~ sudo addgroup roey fuse07:22
RoeyThe user `roey' is already a member of `fuse07:22
llutzups, read you wrong. your user has to re-login to let change take effect07:23
Roeyright but07:23
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Roeyllutz:  I tried newgrp but it wants a password and rejects anything I give it.07:23
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kruemel_hi, im using skype, and i can hear everybody, but cant talk, i also can hear my own voice, but the others dont.. well same as teamspeak.. what can i do?07:25
llutzkruemel_: set capture device to mic in kmix, alsamixer07:26
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kruemel_llutz: well i tryied to set up the Mic Capture in alsamixer, but nothing hjappened.. but u mean something other or?07:27
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kruemel_llutz: i tihnk i know what u mean.. the Mic-in mode.. but do you have the script for the console?07:28
llutzkruemel_: a script? usually you only need to set the capture-flag on "mic" and adjust the levels to your needs07:29
kruemel_llutz: it is micin...07:29
kruemel_llutz: well it is, but the other can hear me07:29
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llutzno idea then,sorry07:30
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kruemel_well, i can hear my own voice in the speaker.. but the other not07:30
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llutzkruemel_: use alsamixer and press F407:32
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kruemel_llutz: then?07:32
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llutzkruemel_: you should see "mic" with capture-flag and "capture" with a level >007:33
kruemel_llutz: i see "mic" [capture]  all and on the bottom "100"07:34
llutzkruemel_: are you sure having configured the right device in skype?07:35
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kruemel_llutz: how to save?07:36
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llutzkruemel_: esc  then "sudo alsactl store"07:36
kruemel_llutz: thx :)07:37
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kruemel_llutz: grat. it works07:37
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elite101how do i check what kinda of ethernet pci card i have in Kubuntu 7.04?07:39
elite101i need the model #07:39
llutzelite101: lspci07:39
elite101whats that?07:39
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drewcipher_lspci - lists all PCI devices07:40
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llutzelite101: look for "Ethernet" or "Network"07:40
elite101i got it now07:40
elite101D-Link System Inc RTL8139 Ethernet07:40
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combohow to install all necessary NON-FREE codecs like w32codec and all music? untill today i've used AUTOMATIX so there were no problems... 'sudo apt-get install ... ' ? :}07:42
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combocan some1 help how to install those non-free codecs ? don't u listen mp3 ?!07:45
BluesKajcombo , make sure your sources list has the seveas or medibuntu repos and you can 'sudo apt-get install w32codecs'07:45
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comboBluesKaj: ok, done... and what else codecs are needed ?07:46
comboBluesKaj: cuz i guess that it's not all ?07:46
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BluesKajand xine-extrcodecs and libdvdcss207:46
elite101when i go to "storage media" all that it shows is a folder and its named "cdrom0" ? there is no HDD there?07:46
BluesKajxine extracodecs07:46
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BluesKajerr  xine-extracodecs07:47
comboBluesKaj: ' sudo apt-get install xine extracodecs ' is that right command ? :] 07:47
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wastedfluidhello.  just installed kubuntu .. removed gnome.  when i click on the computer, and select "home folder" (to open home folder) - it asks me what to open it with..07:47
comboBluesKaj: key07:47
martijn81combo: no, sudo aptitude install libxine-extracodecs is07:47
comboBluesKaj: is there anything else from codecs ? :)07:47
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BluesKajsudo apt-get install xine-extracodecs07:47
elite101mhmm how do i bring up fstab?07:48
BluesKajdon't forget libdvdcss2 , for dvd playback07:48
comboBluesKaj: ok, xine done07:48
comboBluesKaj: oka07:48
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combo- libdvdcss2, also done07:49
comboBluesKaj: is this everything ? :)07:49
elite101how do i get fstav?07:49
comboBluesKaj: also music will be working ?07:49
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elite101im trying to mount my HDD07:50
elite101its in fat32 formatt but it wont mount it on "Filesystems"07:50
elite101in admin tools07:50
ubotusee !mneptok07:50
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ubotuThe /etc/fstab file indicates how drive partitions are to be used or otherwise integrated into the file system. See http://www.tuxfiles.org/linuxhelp/fstab.html and !Partitions07:51
localhi how do i install ncurse from xlink kai07:51
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elite101ahhh hey07:51
BluesKajelite101, in the run box , kdesu kate /etc/fstab07:51
elite101local, my hero07:51
elite101u got xlink working?07:51
localare you?07:51
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elite101well if u get it to work can u msg me lol07:51
elite101yeah i was trying07:51
localhiow did you fo?07:52
elite101it was missing some files07:52
localyeah me too07:52
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elite101or something i got it installed and such but it wouldnt run07:52
elite101its there fault or something they didnt make it rite07:52
locali am trying ncurse right now07:52
localbut it wont work07:52
elite101there is something i found on the internet its like a GUI07:52
elite101it boots up the orbital and such for Xlink07:53
kalorin!image magik07:53
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about image magik - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi07:53
elite101i tried windows Xlink but obv its not going to work :(07:53
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elite101local, what are u hooking up to xlink with? ps2/xbox/psp etc.07:53
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about convert - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi07:53
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localhmm xbox07:54
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about xlink - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi07:54
elite101go there for a sec07:54
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Dexter_Fso there's mirrror.noreply.org which has later TOR packages for feisty - but are they trustworthy? who runs it?08:00
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Dave132whats the best way to view internet video on kubuntu or ubuntu?08:01
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arunDave132: internet video? what format08:02
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Dave132arun windows media08:02
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Daisuke-Laptopmplayer plugin + w32codecs, maybe?08:03
arunDave132: install the mplayer plugin for firefox08:03
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ubotuWireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs08:03
ubotupastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)08:04
Dave132arun,have that and still have problems08:04
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arunDave132: what problems08:04
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BluesKajDave132, and if you want to view youtube videos , you'll need the flash plugin as well08:05
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Roeyhey guys08:05
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graysonhi intelikey08:05
Dave132arun, currently using gxine and getting demuxer errors08:05
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Roeyllutz:  I tried mounting when I had the fuse group, and I  STILL got an error message ("can't open /dev/fuse").  I do have the fuse module loaded.  What could be wrong, do you think?08:05
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Dave132blueskaj, flash works fine08:06
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BluesKajgood, Dave13208:07
llutzRoey: /dev/fuse is owned root:fuse?08:07
graysoncan someone look at that and tell me what the DISABLED means?08:07
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x86__Hi, what is the best codec pack to play mp3 and video files?08:07
Roeyllutz:  right08:08
ubotuFor multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats08:08
Roeyllutz:  and it's not user-anything (in terms of perms)08:08
graysonx86__: ^^^08:08
Roeyllutz:  it's root.root08:08
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llutzRoey: it should be root:fuse08:08
intelikeygrayson i'll go out on a limb and say that the network interface is "disabled" at the moment, i.e. ifconfig eth# down         or up to activate08:09
Roeyoh, ok.08:09
Roeyllutz:  well this is all kubuntu I changed it on.08:09
RoeySo I don't know why it's not like that already08:09
BluesKajgrayson, disabled could mean it doesn't detect a Local area network , hence disabled08:09
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Roeyllutz:  ok pefect! It worked!  Thanks08:10
graysonintelikey: That gives me no such file or directory08:10
Dave132the mplayer plugins are very unreliable, seems like websites are purposly designing videos not to work with linux08:10
llutzRoey: fine08:10
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graysonhi BluesKaj08:10
BluesKajDave132, the xine plugin for FF seems to work better than the mplayer08:11
graysonintelikey: sudo iwconfig gives me a eth1 assigned to the card08:11
Dave132BluesKaj, ill try those,thanks08:11
BluesKajhi grayson08:11
Dave132is xine better than gxine?08:12
BluesKajgxine is for the gnome desktop08:12
BluesKajboth will work tho , Dave13208:13
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graysonI see that the kill switch for the wireless if off can generate the DISABLED moniker08:13
Dave132BluesKaj, i know but most kde and gnome work interoperably on either system08:13
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Dave132inm still getting alot of demuxer errors08:14
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intelikeygrayson either way  for what ever cause,  the interface is "off"  whether hard or soft control.08:15
x86__How i can download & install it?08:15
graysonintelikey: Ok I'll hit the forums08:16
graysonx86__: Do you have multiverse enabled?08:16
intelikeythat's what the   *-network DISABLED   is telling you.08:16
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x86__Multiverse? Sorry, but i dont know it. just 4 hours using kubuntu.08:17
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intelikeygrayson it can also mean it has no driver (module) inserted, i think.08:18
intelikey!repos | x86__08:19
ubotux86__: The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu08:19
intelikeyx86__ you should probably have a read there ^    and welcome.08:19
graysonintelikey: no it does I checked that already08:19
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graysonI'm setting up ndiswrapper now08:20
intelikeyif the module is inserted you don't need ndiswrapper   :)08:20
graysonintelikey: but it doesn't work :)08:20
combo- i have question: how can i add such music toolbar to the PANEL http://img64.imageshack.us/img64/8835/screenxw6.png ? in Kubuntu LTS i had no problem with it but now i can't solve that ? :[08:21
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intelikeyhmmm i need a four pole dubble throw switch....  don't seem to have one....08:26
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kenroWhen's Hte gibbon scheduled to be released?08:34
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ubotuUbuntu releases a new version every 6 months. Each version is supported for 18 months to 5 years. More info at http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/releases & http://wiki.ubuntu.com/TimeBasedReleases08:35
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kenroOkay. When was Bambi released?08:35
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intelikey7 & 408:36
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kenrointelikey:  Translate, ease?08:36
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kenrointelikey:  Translate, please?08:37
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intelikey2007 & month 408:38
intelikeyor 7.408:38
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Schuenemannhey, I need help, I changed video card and can't start X08:38
intelikeySchuenemann sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg08:39
[ifroog] Schuenemann, what video card did you buy ?08:39
drifmonitor & display settings somehow buggy? when I enter admin mode and try to swap to widescreen I cannot apply my changes08:39
SchuenemannI did that, I can only start it with 8 bit depth color08:39
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BluesKajdrif, did you logout and back in  after the changes ?08:39
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drifBluesKaj: I don08:40
noesisSchuenemann: which chipset are you using?08:40
drifBluesKaj: sorry mispressed my keyboard08:40
drifBluesKaj: I mean, I don't have to click apply first?08:40
Schuenemannnoesis, I only know it's an intel onboard08:40
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Schuenemann[ifroog] , intel onboard08:40
[ifroog] Schuenemann, but i guess you bough a new one ? thats how you changed it.08:41
graysonintelikey: So you are saying that ndiswrapper is not needed?08:41
[ifroog] err, Added newone.08:41
Schuenemann[ifroog] , sorry, I don't understand08:41
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Schuenemannit's intel onboard08:42
noesisSchuenemann: put in your livecd.. let it start.. if it starts correctly with opengl support08:43
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intelikeygrayson i'm saying that if you dont have to insert some propritary non-free restricted windows only driver then you dnot need an application made specifficly for that purpose08:43
noesischeck your xorg.conf and see which driver is being used08:43
Schuenemannnoesis, when it start, will it replace xorg.conf?08:43
noesisno Schuenemann.. it will be an xorg.conf in memory08:44
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intelikeygrayson and if the card/chip is supported by linux then you don't.    if it's not supported, then you do i guess.08:44
[ifroog] Schuenemann, I changed video card and can't start X ?? So i guessed your first card was onboard.08:44
Schuenemannthen I copy it?08:44
kenrointelikey:  Right. Thanks. Which means I gotta put up with networking  and timekeeping instability for too long.08:44
Schuenemann[ifroog] , no, it was a nvidia geforce08:44
Schuenemannthe motherboard was changed too08:45
noesisSchuenemann: yes.. you may try,. if the driver is present in your disk isntall it should work08:45
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noesisjust first make backup of your current xorg.conf08:45
noesisyou may need to review your settings later08:45
Schuenemannwhy? it has the old card :-P08:45
[ifroog] Schuenemann, do you still have the nvidia on ?08:45
[ifroog] card*08:45
Schuenemann[ifroog] , no, I don't have an agp slot anymore08:45
noesiseven onnboard uses virtual agp08:46
noesisit should not matter08:46
drifBluesKaj: now I lost all resolutions except 640x480 - getting bit crowded08:46
Schuenemannhow am I going to connect an agp card when I don't have an agp slot in my card? ...08:46
[ifroog] Schuenemann, DO you know how to use vim ?08:46
Schuenemann[ifroog] , well, a bit08:47
[ifroog] Schuenemann,  sudo vim /etc/X11/xorg.conf08:47
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SchuenemannI'm using windows now08:47
SchuenemannI found the kubuntu disk, I'll try the livecd08:47
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[ifroog] Schuenemann, Locate the Line Driver "nv" OR Driver "nvidia"08:48
BluesKajdrif , sorry i was called away for a min . yes you have "apply" your changes then logout and back in .08:48
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graysonintelikey: I hear you :) but it's being stupid right now08:48
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intelikeygrayson k.08:48
drifBluesKaj: sigh..like I said - I cannot apply the changes...and now after restarting X I lost all resolutions except 640x48008:48
Schuenemann[ifroog] , and?08:49
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graysonintelikey: ndiswrapper is as well if it's any consolation08:49
wastedfluidhey guys; iwconfig ath0 reports a 93% link quality, yet, knetworkmanager shows 3/4.. anyway to correct this?08:49
[ifroog] and change it to Driver "vesa" or Driver "i810"08:50
[ifroog] Schuenemann, try the latter first.08:50
kenroBTW, anyone know how to fix the timekeeping instability? I don't always boot up into Inet, so crontab or startscrpit isn't practical.08:50
noesisSchuenemann: insert i810 where you had nvidia or nv...08:51
Lynourekenro: how unstable is your clock?08:51
noesisSchuenemann: i would first insert the live cd and check what the livecd uses in Driver "mychipset" section and use it08:52
Schuenemannok, I'll try the livecd first08:52
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Lynourekenro: ntpdate on anacron should help some, ntpd even more. But if it is e.g. defaulting to an ancient time at every boot, motherboard battery might be dead...08:54
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kenroLynoure:  About 5 hours later than tz, and ntpdate doesn't stick.08:54
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Lynourekenro: and it's a physical computer and not a virtual one?08:55
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kenroLynoure:  Elaborate, please?08:55
Lynourekenro: xen used to have an annoying clock bug, making ntp not stick either08:55
intelikeyto sync the hwclock with a time server  http://ubuntu.pastebin.us/3913008:56
Lynourekenro: If you don't know what I mean with asking if it is a virtual computer, it's probably physical, that is, running directly on the hardware and not in VMware or Xen08:56
kenroLynoure:  *shrug* I know only it's no vm, it's Kubuntu, it's gutsy gibbon prerelease.08:56
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juani want to put a lamp server, after this just a xfce desktop and a proftpd, but what can i do if i dont have a internet conection on that server????????''08:58
kenroLynoure:  Current date, just 5 hours later than tz and ntp doesn't stick.08:58
Lynourekenro: then people at #ubuntu+1 know more about the unreleased versions08:58
Lynourekenro: but check the link intelikey pasted, maybe it helps08:59
intelikeyjuan you can dl the packages on another box and transfer them by disk ?08:59
kenroah. Thanks for the reminder. :)08:59
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Lynourekenro: have you tried ntpd yet?08:59
thehcdreamerHello, i'm sorry if i'm using this chat, but what is the contrary of "disabled" in english? thanx08:59
Lynourethehcdreamer: enabled08:59
juanis enabled09:00
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juandisabled enablewd09:00
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ubotuLAMP is an acronym for Linux-Apache-MySQL-PHP. However, the term is often used for setups using alternative but different software, such as Perl or Python instead of PHP, and Postgres instead of MySQL. For help with setting up LAMP on Ubuntu, see  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ApacheMySQLPHP - See also the Server CD installation process (different in Edgy+)09:00
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kenroLynoure:  er... I say, no startup script or crontab, as I don't always boot up into Inet.09:01
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Lynourekenro: the daemon won't start unless it can synch once... but I'm not forcing solutions to people09:02
intelikeymv /etc/adjtime /etc/adjtime.bak ;ln -s /dev/null /etc/adjtime09:02
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Lynourekenro: (that is, unless it is messed up in gutsy)09:03
kenroLynoure:  Right. I better ask +1 before mucking the shell.09:04
Lynoureeven if you go offline for days, it will still be fine, if configured decently.09:04
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intelikeyheh one reboot and you can have "timestamp to far in the future" errors galore09:06
juanthere is a problem when you try to install some thinmgs in the ubuntu server 6.06 yo must be conected to the internet in order to download the repositories, so what can i do for insatlling whitout internet conection09:06
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intelikeygrayson (: i wondered who held the other end of this rope.09:06
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elite101dont mind that^09:07
graysonintelikey: I don't think sarcasm comes across well09:07
intelikeyit wasn't.09:07
grayson it's taking me 72 days to download gcc09:07
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elite101hey im having problems with my HDD09:07
elite101its a FAT32 partition but i need to edit FSTAB09:08
seanpcrowelol, hey all09:08
elite101but i cant remember how to edit it or even bring it up09:08
seanpcrowehow do i tell hoe much drive space i got left?09:08
intelikeyelite101 kdesu kate /etc/fstab09:08
juani went to a ububtu machine with internet and download the repositories in var/cache/apt/archives, so i copy to aa usb memory and copy into the same directory into the server so i cant install the x sustem and xfce and proftpd09:08
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Lynoureintelikey: if that warning was addressed to kenro, better address it to him directly as he missed the link you meant for him too. But, no, well configured ntpd should not do that at reboot, and if you are worried, you can make a shutdown script that purges sudo timestamps09:10
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intelikeyelite /dev/<device> /<mountpoint> vfat defaults,uuid=1000,dmask=022,fmask=133  0  009:10
elite101kio (KSycoca): ERROR: No database available!09:10
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elite101whats that mean?09:10
elite101whats mountpoiint?09:11
ehcwhere can I add a script to be ran on startup?09:11
juanhow i can install apps n my lamp server whitout internet connection09:11
Schuenemannnoesis it started, the driver was i81009:11
intelikeymeans "ignore me, i'm a stupid error message that should have been dumped in /dev/null"09:11
elite101its reading the FSTAB and HDD but i cant see them?09:12
Schuenemannnow, how do I mount my pendrive?09:12
graysonintelikey: I swear if I look at it it slows it down09:12
elite101UUID=783add3c-d3dc-4009-9715-2a7372464aa2 none swap sw 0 009:12
LynoureSchuenemann: usually, just by plugging it in09:12
graysonjuan:sudo dpkg -i *09:12
elite101i mean HDA509:12
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noesisSchuenemann: your opengl screensavers work?09:12
elite101last time i enabled a HDD it screwed up my system09:13
elite101like badly09:13
Schuenemannnoesis I'm back at shell, I need to replace the xorg.conf09:13
SchuenemannLynoure I have no X09:13
elite101mhmm when i open up storage media it shows only a folder and its "cdrom0"09:13
elite101it doesnt show any HDD's?09:13
elite101i have fstab open now and there is like 3diff, devices and stuff09:14
elite101o_0 very confusing09:14
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intelikeyyou asked for the command line and fstab syntax   i gave both.        and you should look at     blkid     to understand what the UUID=  is.09:14
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Schuenemannwhat is the command to mount the pendrive? mount dest ???09:15
LynoureSchuenemann: you could try plugging it in, and seeing what it appeared as (usually /dev/sdsomething) and using mount to mount that. But someone else will prolly want you through it in detail09:15
LynoureSchuenemann: see   man mount   for details09:15
Schuenemannhow am I going to know the correct sd?09:15
intelikeySchuenemann that's what he's saying.   plug it in and  read dmesg09:16
Schuenemannahh, dmesg09:16
LynoureSchuenemann: it's the one you did not have before plugging it in. But, really, I'm not sure how kubuntu handles that outside X. I tend to use debian on my bare boxes09:16
elite101wow this is confusing to many ppl?09:16
SchuenemannI guess I'll have to quit bitchx, brb09:16
elite101i have a HDD09:16
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intelikeyelite101  /dev/<device> /<mountpoint> vfat defaults,uuid=1000,dmask=022,fmask=133  0  009:17
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seanpcrowehey all... this is amazing, i sooooooo cant tell how much space i got left...09:17
elite101just copy it in and save?09:17
intelikeyor use the UUID if you prefer09:17
seanpcrowehow do i do it?09:17
elite101i dont understand what ur talking about?09:17
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intelikeyno  translate everything within  <>09:17
elite101errr its annyoing to many ppl09:17
elite101ahh k09:18
elite101ic lol09:18
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intelikeyseanpcrowe  df -h09:18
BluesKajseanpcrowe, hard drive space ?09:18
seanpcroweBlueDevil, yeah lol09:18
BluesKajdf -h , as intelikey says09:19
seanpcroweahhhhhh, thank you guys... that was doing my head in...lol09:19
intelikeyksysguard can check disk space too09:20
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intelikeyit probably runs   df09:20
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elite101im scared im going to screw up my sys with fstab i will make a pastebin so u can see how its setup its very weird intelikay,09:21
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Tm_TSchuenemann: ROOT!09:22
intelikeyopen a konsole and do     sudo cp /etc/fstab /etc/fstab.backup09:22
SchuenemannTm_T huh?09:22
Tm_TSchuenemann: Schuenemann [n=root@
Schuenemannwhat about it?09:23
Tm_Tyou should not irc as root09:23
seanpcrowedo you guys know if kubuntu can play 720p .mkv's ???09:24
Schuenemannintelikey I have reasons to believe it's in /dev/sdc09:24
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Tm_TSchuenemann: http://www.bsd.org/faq.html#rootsucks09:24
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Tm_Tgnomefreak: yay09:25
intelikey!virus | Schuenemann for a better understanding of why you shouldn't run as root09:25
SchuenemannTm_T I'll read it when I recover X, ok?09:25
ubotuSchuenemann for a better understanding of why you shouldn't run as root: A/V software is available, however read this to understand why Linux does not have a virus problem: http://librenix.com/?inode=2109:25
gnomefreakTm_T: ;)09:25
intelikeySchuenemann please read            ^09:25
Schuenemannhow am I going to read that?09:25
Tm_TSchuenemann: I can privmsg you too if you like09:25
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SchuenemannTm_T how about if you tell me how to mount my pendrive, so I can recover X and read it myself? :p09:25
intelikeySchuenemann w3m http://librenix.com/?inode=2109:26
Tm_TSchuenemann: mount /device /destination09:26
Tm_TSchuenemann: next?09:26
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Schuenemanndoesn't work09:26
frojndhello tehre. While I try to install kubuntu I get this error message: buffer I/o error on device fd0, logical block 0. What does this mean ???????09:26
Schuenemanndon't I need to say the filesystem?09:26
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Tm_TSchuenemann: then say it09:26
Schuenemannmount -t vfat /dev/sdc ~/pen ?09:27
Tm_Tif it's vfat09:27
intelikeyno you do NOT need to say the fs type.09:27
Schuenemannit didn't work and I forgot to copy the error message09:27
Tm_Tintelikey: I think so too09:27
Schuenemannwhat does this mean? -> usb-storage: device found at 409:28
elite101intelikey, did u check out the pastebin? its very confusing...09:28
atomicpotatoit found a mass storage device attached at USB node 4?09:28
Schuenemannthat was the output for dmesg09:28
Schuenemannatomicpotato where is usb node 4?09:28
atomicpotatodunno, it depends on the system. It should be one of your USB jacks.09:29
elite101jacks? u mean ports?09:29
intelikeyelite101 is it hdb1 you are concerned with ?09:29
SchuenemannI'd better check what was the error message, brb09:29
elite101so it shows in "file systems" in Kcontroll but its just i cant enable it so i can use it09:30
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elite101the slave HDD^09:30
intelikeyelite101 /dev/hdb1 <mount\040point> auto nouser,noauto,atime,auto,rw,nodev,noexec,nosuid09:30
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elite1012 zero's09:30
elite101 /dev/hdb1 <mount\040point> auto nouser,noauto,atime,auto,rw,nodev,noexec,nosuid 0 009:31
intelikeyelite101 /dev/hdb1 /media/hdb1 auto user,users,noauto,atime,auto,rw,nodev,noexec,nosuid 0 009:31
intelikeytry that   ^09:31
intelikeyare you sure of the fstype ?   is it vfat ?09:31
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graysonanyone have any dies how I can test if apt-get is hung09:31
elite101no its fat3209:31
intelikeyyeah vfat09:32
intelikeyelite101 /dev/hdb1 /media/hdb1 vfat user,users,dmask=022,fmask=133 0 009:33
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intelikeyalternativly   i would sujest that   ^09:33
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elite101well i just used the other one09:33
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intelikeytest them both.09:33
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elite101The system reported: mount: mount point /media/hdb1 does not exist09:33
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intelikeysee which you like.09:34
intelikeysudo mkdir -p /media/hdb109:34
intelikeyelite101 a mountpoint is simply a dirrectory to mount the fs onto09:34
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Schuenemannthese are the errors produced by "mount /dev/sdc pendrive" -> cramfs: wrong magic -> VFS: Can't find ext3 filesystem on dev sdc -> Mount: you must specify the filesystem type09:34
elite101yeah well last time i mounted another HDD to the "/" mount point :(09:35
elite101it wouldnt boot up KDE :(09:35
intelikeyelite101 lol09:35
elite101it was my mistake09:35
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intelikeyunless you use unionfs mounts    anything existing in the dir that you select for a mountpoint is inaccessable until you dismount the fs09:36
Schuenemannintelikey me?09:36
elite101yeah well it said on boot-up cannot acces jobcontrol09:36
Schuenemannhow about me? heh09:36
elite101thanx intelikey, it worked :) wuu!!!!09:36
intelikeySchuenemann you are trying to mount the wrong device09:37
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Schuenemannintelikey how can I know which is it? dmesg said sdc09:37
llutzSchuenemann: sudo fdisk -l09:37
graysonintelikey: 71 days :)09:37
ubotuCommon Sense: Just because you can, does not mean you should. Think before you do. "Works for me" does not mean it is ok. The latest version of everything is not always useful if you aim for stability.09:37
elite101this is weird? machine: i586? is that 64-bit? i recently moved to a AMD prossecor? it was befor i38609:37
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intelikeySchuenemann sudo fdisk -l     see if it's listed09:38
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Schuenemannlet me try, brb09:38
elite101what is the command for the PCI card attached?09:38
intelikeyelite101 no 586 is 32bit09:38
elite101thought so09:39
elite101its just the number was higher :P09:39
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intelikeyor lshw09:39
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elite101yeah hw? means hardware?09:39
intelikeydepends on how much "human readable" info you want09:39
elite101yeah lol just the PCI info09:40
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intelikeyyes hw means hardware09:40
intelikeyand pci cards are hardware too09:40
elite101im getting Xlink program for windows but the only windows i had was an old 4gig HDD but it needed drivers for my PCI card so i needed to mount the HDD to put them on there09:40
sammyany idea where to start debugging kopete msn connection problems? I get no sort of troubleshooting or debugging information anywhere, connection to msn dies silently, and doesn't even ask me for my password.09:41
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intelikeyi hope you didn't edit fstab just for a one off mount....09:41
elite101i need it mounted09:42
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Schunemannintelikey hey, it worked. But I can only start X with root. How to fix that?09:43
intelikeySchunemann what are you using to "start X"  ?09:44
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intelikeySchunemann do you have an  xorg.conf  file in your users home dir ?09:44
sammy(any ops might want to change the wiki link to kubuntu.org instead of .com to avoid certificate hostname mismatch errors)09:44
intelikeystartx will read that if so09:44
intelikeythat's why.09:44
Schunemannit says I don't have permission to use startx09:45
intelikeymounted nosuid ?09:45
Schunemannwhat is nosuid?09:45
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elite101intelikey, its not letting me rite files to the HDD i just mounted?09:45
intelikeySchunemann type    mount | grep nosuid09:46
Schunemannis it that stuff of creating the root user? if so, I never did it09:46
intelikeyelite101 that's why i said i'd use the second line.    "alternatively"   and  "try both and see which you want"09:46
BluesKajSchunemann, you have to login with username and pw as if you were on the login page09:47
intelikeySchunemann no.09:47
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SchunemannBluesKaj how? I didn't get any login prompt09:47
SchunemannI'm using recovery mode09:47
BluesKajoh sorry thot you were at the prompt09:47
intelikeySchunemann errr   type  init 209:48
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Schunemannintelikey maybe I should try using 'normal' mode now, as I have a nice xorg.conf now?09:48
intelikeySchunemann that's what i just said.    in the console  enter    init 209:49
Schunemannok, brb09:49
BluesKajsave it09:49
noesisexit quit while you can09:49
noesisSchunemann: exit the term09:49
noesisalt-2 or whatever09:49
noesisand login as you09:49
SchunemannI still don't have X!09:49
BluesKajctrl + X09:49
noesisthen you can try startx09:49
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sebbar_what's the best way to automatically mount a disc read/write instead of just read?09:51
kyussj'ai un probleme avec SU09:51
intelikeyit really depends on the fs type09:51
kyusslorsque je met mon pass il ne le prend pas...09:51
ubotuAllez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.09:51
sebbar_intelikey: ext309:51
kyussok ;)09:51
elite101intelikey, once i type that line in the fstab do i open up filesystems and then dis-able and enable it ?09:52
intelikeysebbar_ it defaults to rw09:52
intelikeyelite101 or  sudo umount /media/hdb1 ;sudo mount /media/hdb109:53
intelikeypick your take09:53
intelikeyand take your pick,09:53
intelikeyjust don't pick your nose while you do it09:53
elite101i did it worked09:53
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spazi keep trying to login to KDE, but for some reason it throws me straight back to the title screen09:54
spazno errors or anything09:54
spazhello intelikey09:54
zdadrdem_spaz maybe your disc is full09:54
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spazzdadrdem_: no09:54
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spazit's far from full09:55
sebbar_intelikey: ah I had formatted it as root, that's why I was confused. tnx09:55
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elite101man i hate windoze me :(09:55
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intelikeyout of disk space in your home ?     mucked up permissions in your home ?    spaz09:55
BluesKajspaz, try default09:55
spazhome has no quota09:55
spazpermissions, maybe09:55
intelikeysebbar_ you always format as root.    or i do...09:55
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intelikeysebbar_ are you sure you are not asking about inode permissions rather than  mounted as readonly or read write  ???09:56
compilerwriterOK ladies and gents.  I would like to try out the tasty menu for kde but have no clue how to go about it.  Someone have time to hand hold for a few minutes?09:56
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sebbar_intelikey: well I just formatted the disk as user and it let me do it. I was a bit surprised actually. May it's a bit strange because it's a sata disc connected via a usb adapter. Well hey it seems to work fine now :)09:57
nosrednaekimcompilerwriter: the suse kickoff menu?09:57
spazthe permissions indeed09:57
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spazthanks ^_^09:57
elite101intelikey, it stilll says i dont hav write permissions?09:57
ubotuIf Adept crashed on you and your database is locked, try this in konsole:  sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a 09:57
compilerwriternoserednaekim I am not sure I read about it in akgregator.09:58
intelikeysebbar_ k.09:58
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compilerwriterIt is supposed to be a replacement to kmenu nosrednaekim09:58
intelikeyelite101 which fstab line right now ?09:58
spazi must have hosed them when i transferred my entire kubuntu install to a new, larger HD09:58
elite101i tried both09:58
nosrednaekimcompilerwriter: what is it called?09:58
elite101they still wont let me write?09:58
compilerwriterI would just like to try it out instead of kmenu for a while nosrednaekim09:58
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intelikeyelite101 ok and  what does konsole command      echo $UID       tell us ?09:59
nosrednaekimcompilerwriter: alrighy :) do you have it installed?09:59
compilerwriternosrednaekim http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php/Tasty+Menu?content=4186609:59
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elite101im dumbbbb09:59
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compilerwriternosrednaekim I want to make sure I get my kmenu stuff backed up properly so I can switch back if I want.  I have yet to install though.09:59
nosrednaekimcompilerwriter: it shouldn't affect the current Kmenu10:00
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compilerwriternosrednaekim I just want to do this properly.10:00
intelikeyelite101 in the string "user,users,dmask=022,fmask=133"    add the word ,uid=1000     or is it uuid=1000      ????10:00
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nosrednaekimcompilerwriter: but if you want.. save your ".kde" folder from your /home partition10:00
elite101one thousand10:00
nosrednaekimcopy it to "kde-backup" or something10:00
anugrr, has someone got the flashplugin nonfree package without having to download the crap from adobe? its going at 200 bytes per second10:01
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intelikeyyeah uuid10:01
elite101but the line u gave me was this?10:01
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elite101*/dev/hdb1 /media/hdb1 vfat user,users,dmask=022,fmask=133 0 010:01
elite101take out the *10:01
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elite101there is no UUID?10:01
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jussio1no one?10:02
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nosrednaekimcompilerwriter: ok.i'm looking into it.10:02
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elite101 /dev/hdb1 /media/hdb1 vfat user,users,dmask=022,fmask=133 0 0  <--- That is all i need to put? or do i add the UUID=1000?10:03
tuke81dxr3 anyone10:04
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intelikey<intelikey> elite101 /dev/hdb1 /media/hdb1 vfat user,users,dmask=022,fmask=133  0 0   <<< that's what i first said.    >>> /dev/hdb1 /media/hdb1 vfat user,users,uuid=1000,dmask=022,fmask=133  0 0   <<<< that's what i'm saying you need to add in.   there is differance in  uuid and UUID10:04
sehejussio1: anything you'd like to ask?10:04
voidmage"grub-install (hd0) failed. this is a fatal error."10:04
voidmageI got that error when installing kubuntu10:05
compilerwriterI believe I have my .kde folder backed up now nosrednaekim10:05
elite101ahh k10:05
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jussio1sehe: sorry, see the post by anu10:05
intelikeyelite101 in linux everything is case sensitive   and   UUID != uuid   in mount.10:05
elite101yeah i know10:05
sehejussi01:  i'm just on - don't have the earlier msgs10:05
elite101but where do i add it in?10:05
intelikeysorry if i have confused you.10:05
nosrednaekimcompilerwriter: ok, then go ahead and install that deb.10:05
intelikeysee    ^^^10:05
elite101yeah nvm10:06
martinjh99how come - when I do a netstat then installing from gb mirror it's connecting to auckland.ubuntu.com?  Is that an Oz server or what?10:06
elite101its already there10:06
jussio1sehe: has someone got the flashplugin nonfree package without having to download the crap from adobe? its going at 200 bytes per second10:06
voidmageHow can I get around "grub-install (hd0) failed. this is a fatal error." in the installer?10:06
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sehejussio1: sry dunno bout that :D10:06
elite101jussio1, if u need to install flashaplayer? i usually get firefox and go to a site that needs it and it will download th plugin for u fast10:06
jussio1its always really slow - very annoying10:06
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intelikey!grub | voidmage10:07
ubotuvoidmage: grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto10:07
elite101sudo apt-get install firefox10:07
jussio1elite101: never works for me, and im using konq10:07
elite101well if u try firefox and go to www.joecartoon.com it should work10:07
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Schuenemannintelikey, hey, I finally got it working10:07
elite101just select a video a small pop-up will apera for plugin10:07
Schuenemannor at least I think so, haven't booted yet10:08
intelikeySchuenemann :)10:08
Schuenemannthanks :-)10:08
jussio1elite101: I dont want to use firefox10:08
Schuenemannwhat do you have against firefox?10:08
BluesKajjussio1, use konq but try to DL flash with it10:08
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jussio1Schuenemann: its gtk10:09
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Schuenemannintelikey, is it possible to use glx with this card?10:09
Schuenemannjussio1, yeah, it is10:09
intelikeyjussio1 put the flashplayer plugin in your .kde/share/apps/konqueror/plugins/  dir    may not be the exact address but that's the concept10:09
elite101lol dont wanna use firfox :s10:09
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voidmagewhat am I looking for in there?10:10
jussio1elite101: are you lol'ing at me?10:10
intelikeyelite101 i refuse to use ff too10:10
jhutchinsvoidmage: Manual install of grub outside the installer.10:10
intelikeydon't like it10:10
jussio1elite101: why would I put extra libs I dont need on my pc10:10
SchuenemannI love the extensions10:10
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tuke81jussio1: http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/flash10:11
jhutchinsSome javascript works better with FF, otherwise i avoid it.10:11
elite101well install ff, and the flash plugin will work with konqueror10:11
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about glx - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi10:11
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Schuenemannhow come the bot doesn't know anything about glx? Even I do!10:11
ubotuFor multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats10:11
seheopera is my favourite. firefox for certain websites and teh extensions (FireBug, Selenium IDE)10:11
voidmagejhutchins: how do I do that on a livecd though?10:11
voidmagebecause i tried what it said and it didn't wor'10:11
elite101yeah firebug isgood10:12
intelikeySchuenemann idk...10:12
intelikey!info glx10:12
ubotuPackage glx does not exist in feisty, feisty-seveas10:12
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ArtimusI'm having a strange issue with KNetworkManager on Feisty (AMD64).  I'm on the internet, but the manager says "No Network Device Found".  Under manual configuration, my ethernet card is listed O_o10:12
jhutchinsvoidmage: Since you're making me guess, I'd say that it was trying to install to the wrong drive/partition.10:12
voidmageI mounted the root partition10:12
sehewhich means: there is no room in my day to get used to Konq. I only use Konq for ioslaves (man:/ info:/ ftp:/ svn+ssh:/ and the like)10:12
jhutchinsvoidmage: It goes on the bootsector of the first drive.10:12
voidmageand looked in /boot10:12
voidmageand there wasn't any grub folder in there10:12
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jussio1Artimus: try switching to offline mode then back to online mode10:13
mariooliveirahello kunbuntu world  :)10:13
compilerwriternosrednaekim I managed to create a directory .kde_backup but when I use the cp command to copy the files I am told it is not a directory.10:13
sehemariooliveira: hello back!10:13
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mariooliveirasehe,  hello sorry i dont remember u  maybe a few days ago?10:14
nosrednaekimcompilerwriter: how did you create that directory? "mkdir .kde_backup"?10:14
Artimusjussio1: No good, but thanks.  Running through sudo does not help either.10:14
sehemariooliveira: i meant, in return :)10:14
jussio1Artimus: weird10:14
mariooliveiraohh lol10:14
compilerwriteryes nosrednaekim that is how I created it.10:14
voidmage/boot/grub/stage1 doesn't exist10:14
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elite101Artimus, now why does that name sound fimilar?10:14
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jhutchins!kdesu | Artimus10:14
ubotuArtimus: In KDE, use  kdesu  to run graphical applications with root privileges when you have to. Do *not* use  sudo <GUI application> ; you can muck up your permissions/config files. For what to use in GNOME, see !gksudo10:14
sehevoidmage: is the boot partition *mounted* ????10:15
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voidmageshould it be?10:15
sehevoidmage: possibly. in default install there is no separate boot part, so you needn't worry10:15
voidmagei'm not in my system10:15
voidmagei'm on a livecd10:15
sehevoidmage: rule is: if you don't know about it, you don't have to mount it10:15
voidmageand grub won't install because /boot/grub doesn't exist on my root partition10:16
Artimuselite101: I saw a few bugs reported about wireless not detecting.  However, this is a bit different...10:16
sehevoidmage: then forget my remark :D10:16
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elite101Atrimus, ur nickname is that froma  movie?10:16
voidmageany way I can get grub to actually install?10:16
mariooliveirai started kunbuntu install dhcpd and config it now  my laptop( booting from lan says  no boot filename received10:17
elite101Artimus, ur nickname is that froma  movie?10:17
seheelite101:  Arthemis http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Artemis10:17
Artimuselite101: No, but it was also used in a movie10:17
elite101there now i spelt it rite10:17
elite101mhm what one?10:17
elite101its so fimilar10:17
ArtimusWild West or some such thing with Will Smith?10:17
ArtimusWild Wild West maybe?10:17
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Artimus...  I think I found an answer to the Knetworkmanager thing.10:17
mariooliveirado i have to add a line at dhcpd config fileor  to thtp witch is not running yet10:17
nosrednaekimvoidmage: thats very odd.10:17
elite101Optimes prime ring a bell?10:17
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seheelite101: matrix?10:18
mariooliveiraand where do i get  the file?10:18
elite101thats it10:18
compilerwriternosredmaekim I think I have got it now.10:18
nosrednaekimvoidmage: curious.. is there a "lilo" directory in /boot?10:18
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sehevoidmage: could it be you are confusing /boot and /media/hddmountpoint/boot ?10:19
nosrednaekimcompilerwriter: ok, got it all backed up and that file DLed?10:19
sehenosrednaekim: voidmage: i always use !chroot to make stuff like that easy on my PC's10:19
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voidmage$ sudo grub-install \(hd0\)10:19
voidmageCould not find device for /boot: not found or not a block device10:20
compilerwriterI am downloading the deb now.10:20
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sehevoidmage: i'm pretty positive you need to be chrooted for grub-install to work from teh livecd *against the harddrive*10:20
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compilerwriterDeb downloaded.10:20
sehe!chroot | voidmage10:20
ubotuvoidmage: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebootstrapChroot use this to build 32 bit environments on a 64 bit box10:20
nosrednaekimvoidmage: ah.... you have to do a --root-directory=/media/hddmountpoint10:20
compilerwriterdeb downloaded noserednaekim10:21
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sehevoidmage: nosrednaekim has a simpler approach!!!! cheers10:21
jussio1grrr, does anyone know a european mirror to get flash from?10:21
sehenosrednaekim: my chrooting habit is a gentoo-ism i suspect :D lol10:21
voidmageit thinks it's xfs10:21
nosrednaekimsehe: thats what I always did till someone shoed me --root-directory10:22
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sehenosrednaekim: hehe learning everyday10:22
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zblach_nosrednaekim: can you have my ghost killed?10:22
sehezblach_: excuse me10:22
compilerwriternosrednaekim I have now installed the package10:22
nosrednaekimzblach_: sorry not an admin. try #ubuntu-ops10:22
zblach_i'm in #python too10:22
sehezblach_: ic10:23
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nosrednaekimcompilerwriter: I think you ahve to right click on the panel, add applet, the app's name10:23
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zblach_sehe, take no offense. sorry10:23
voidmageI have the same error as http://www.nabble.com/Report-bugs-to-<bug-grub%40gnu.org>-t4161638.html10:23
sehezblach_: hehe was just curious :D10:23
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jussio1sehe: i cant pm right now10:24
bdexterhollandwhat's the name of brazilian channel?10:24
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ubotuPor favor use #ubuntu-br ou #ubuntu-pt  para ajuda em portugus. Obrigado.10:24
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sehejussio1: np i closed the tab already :D10:24
compilerwriterGot it there nosrednaekim10:24
combo- is this possible to install AIGLX (ati radeon 9600) on Feisty ?10:24
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sehe'/help' ?10:25
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seheuhoh i hope i didn put him off10:25
jhutchinsvoidmage: That's an error message telling you it's safe to ignore the error message.10:25
nosrednaekimvoidmage: ok run this command " sudo grub-install --root-directory=/media/<mountpoint> /dev/<HD code name>"10:26
voidmageI got it now.10:26
sehevoidmage: good!10:26
voidmageis that the last thing ubiquity does?10:26
voidmageas in I can reboot safely now?10:27
compilerwriterNow how do I make it work so that the tasy menu pops up when I left click on the desktop? nosrednaekim10:27
nosrednaekimvoidmage: yeah... did that work?10:28
voidmagei'm rebooting now.10:28
nosrednaekimcompilerwriter: I don't know if you can10:28
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voidmagenope, I got a grub prompt10:28
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nosrednaekimvoidmage: what?10:29
voidmageit threw me to a grub prompt10:29
voidmagemaybe it didn't setup a menu.lst10:29
jussio1voidmage: sounds like you just need to specify root etc10:30
ubotugrub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto10:30
compilerwriterThanks nosrednaekim10:30
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nosrednaekimvoidmage: did you get the grub prompt b4?10:30
nosrednaekimcompilerwriter: NP10:30
voidmageno, that was my first boot10:30
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voidmageall I got was a grub prompt10:31
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voidmagezomg, nvidia-glx-new finally hit the repos with 100 series drivers10:32
mariooliveirawhere is  pxelinux.0 in  kubunt cd?10:32
jussio1voidmage: try folling the first link instructions after the sudo grub bit - ie. root (hd0,1) etc10:32
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hayamihi i have a problem with videos10:32
nosrednaekimvoidmage:  oh... this is a fresh install?10:32
hayamii see little blue squares what should i do xD?10:32
voidmagei have no menu.lst10:33
hayamihelp please xD10:34
sehehayami: ermmm... a question please10:34
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hayamiwell, when i play a video or movie, all ok, but little squares are in the display why man?10:35
hayami blue little squares friend10:35
vgevideo type?10:35
sehehayami: sry I missed that line :)10:35
voidmageokay, that should have worked10:36
sehehayami: like in nvida/ait or GL or non-GL10:36
hayamii have an intel10:36
seheatu* ^^10:36
seheati* hahah10:36
seheintel graphics?10:36
hayamii810 it's the driver10:36
hayamior something like that10:36
hayamiyes friend10:36
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hayami935ABG or something like that10:37
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vgewell, i think i have the same, but if he dont see squares in normal display it's not a gpu problem imho10:37
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hayamilet me send you a picture of the problem10:37
sehei don't have experience with them but afaik most laptop gracards are pretty uncomplicated and shouldn be the cause of problems.10:37
vgeu have the correct video codecs?10:37
voidmagethis time it should work10:37
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araizenwhat command do i run to install a .deb i just downloaded?10:38
voidmageerror 18: selected cylinder exceeds maximum supported by bios10:38
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about intel - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi10:39
sehedpkg -i10:39
sehearaizen: ^^10:39
araizensehe: thanks10:39
nosrednaekimvoidmage: sotry, I have to go10:39
araizensehe: i assume sudo dpkg -i?10:39
sehearaizen: or in Konqueror, right click, package actions, install :)10:39
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ubotuTo install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto10:39
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sehearaizen: sudo of course. konqueror will ask the pass10:39
araizenoh, if i already had an older version of the software installed, will that hurt?10:40
sehearaizen: almost like being on windows, innit? just rightclick10:40
hayamii take the pictures10:40
sehearaizen: normally, no: deb files contain their dependencies (references) and i think the upgrade is based on the package names10:40
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hayamiin the picture all it's blue10:41
araizensehe, thanks10:41
sehearaizen: unless you are packages maintained by various authors, you should be fine10:41
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hayamiso that means i can't take pictures from a video? or what xD10:41
araizenexcept now it gets me dependency problems, so i probably have to go and download those10:41
araizenso no, it's not exactly like windows10:41
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sehearaizen: ok, good point10:41
hayamixD well the problem is that the video is runing i can see it but with a lot of little blue squares10:42
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sehearaizen: i'm sure you can get around that by somehow adding the local package to synaptics, and let synaptics work out the des - however I never tried that10:42
ubotupastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)10:42
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seheSchuenemann: whom are you !-ing to?10:43
voidmagewhat if I install a separate boot partition?10:43
Schuenemannsehe, whay?10:43
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