[12:34] <Angelus> hmm
[12:35] <Angelus> a user in the group "bin" can run everything?
[12:35] <Angelus> O_O
[12:37] <nosrednaekim> :)
[12:37] <lakshmi_> Hi everyone. *Quick one*. Whats the equivalent key for F8 key (Beryl=>preview of all open applications) in Compiz Fusion
[12:39] <nosrednaekim> lakshmi_: #compiz, or #ubuntu-effects
[12:39] <parsnip> hey all
[12:40] <parsnip> ive made a service menu as best i could
[12:40] <parsnip> but its not showing when i right click mp3s
[12:40] <parsnip> can anyone advise?
[12:40] <parsnip> please
[12:40] <lakshmi_> I just realised :) Sorry nosrednaekim.
[12:41] <nosrednaekim> lakshmi_: not a problem. just that ther are more knowledgeable people there
[12:41] <tazgodx_> anyone tried LinuxMCE?
[12:42] <parsnip> !linuxmce
[12:42] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about linuxmce - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[12:43] <tazgodx_> take that as a no?
[12:43] <parsnip> tazgodx_: not myself, let me google
[12:43] <tazgodx_> http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2176025602905109829&hl=en
[12:43] <tazgodx_> there is a demo video
[12:43] <tazgodx_> http://linuxmce.com/
[12:44] <tazgodx_> thats main page
[12:44] <parsnip> looks pretty sweet dude
[12:45] <parsnip> whats up with it?
[12:46] <tazgodx_> i don't know, looks sweet, but seems too good to be true. and before i wipe out my mythtv box, i was wondering if it really worked that good, and if anyone knew a list of the hardware they used in that video
[12:46] <zblach> ok. i've got a shell question. I have 20 files, and another file with 20 lines in it. what I'd like to do is ouput one file, then the first line, then the second file, then the second line ...
[12:46] <zblach> how would I accomplish this?
[12:47] <nosrednaekim> zblach: #bash
[12:50] <parsnip> tazgodx_: it does look pretty damn sweet
[12:50] <parsnip> tazgodx_: the remote is AWESOME
[12:50] <tazgodx_> yeah
[12:50] <tazgodx_> i found out what remote he is useing, but it still seems too good to be true
[12:51] <tazgodx_> im a little hessitant to wipe my mythtv box for it yet
[12:51] <parsnip> taz: get a 20gb hdd from someplace and try it
[12:51] <parsnip> tazgodx_: how much is it?
[12:52] <parsnip> tazgodx_: for the remote?
[12:52] <gorgonizer> does anyone know if it possible to get an asus m2v motherboard to behave itself with Kubuntu (have tried Feisty and now using Gutsy Gibbon Tribe 3)?  Fiesty always installed but failed to boot and Gutsy works, but after a period of time my SATA drive fails to work, as does my friends brand new 500GB SATA drive
[12:53] <parsnip> gorgonizer: yuoo tried hdparm
[12:53] <parsnip> or is it param
[12:53] <parsnip> gorgonizer: youu might need to tweak it a bit
[12:54] <gorgonizer> root@sweetleaf:~# hdparm -I /dev/sda2
[12:54] <gorgonizer> /dev/sda2: HDIO_DRIVE_CMD(identify) failed: Input/output error
[12:54] <tazgodx_> parsnip: http://fiire.com/fiire-chief.php
[12:54] <gorgonizer> the weird thing is, when I first boot into the system, it works fine, I can watch the films/vids I have on it, it seems to 'degrade' over time...
[12:56] <parsnip> tazgodx_: pricey but worth it
[12:56] <parsnip> tazgodx_: does it not just work with mythtv??
[12:56] <tazgodx_> well, LinuxMCE is a total new install, needs to reformat the HDDs
[12:56] <tazgodx_> installs from scratch
[12:57] <tazgodx_> from what i understand it uses mythtv for controlling TVs and recording
[12:58] <nosrednaekim> gorgonizer: weird... file a bug report.
[12:58] <nosrednaekim> wish you sould instal linuxMCE from a reporitory.
[12:59] <gorgonizer> right, will do!! gonna try ripping out the temp network card I put in (as I have got the onboard gigabit NIC working finally) to see if that helps in some weird way.. nad the un-needed SATA drive..
[12:59] <drbeams> !pastebin
[12:59] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[12:59] <nosrednaekim> ok
[12:59] <nosrednaekim> gorgonizer: ok.
[01:00] <Lopin> Okay...  I'm having problems with my soundcard...
[01:00] <drbeams> bwc43xx-fwcutter install through adept is causing a crash - http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/34582/
[01:00] <frax> when I watch a movie in kaffeine I get <font color = xxx > "Subtible message" </font> ..  how do I make kaffeine understand that it should format the subtitle not print the formating? thanks
[01:00] <Lopin> Linux can't find my soundcard...
[01:01] <rosso> Sakkath: how was your upgrade?
[01:01] <Sakkath> rosso: it was ok
[01:02] <rosso> Sakkath: congrats :)
[01:02] <Sakkath> rosso: ty
[01:03] <Lopin> !sound
[01:03] <ubotu> If you're having problems with sound, first ensure ARTS is running, by going to K Menu -> System Settings -> Sound System and making sure "Enable the sound system" is checked. If that fails, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Sound - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting - For playing audio files, see !Players and !MP3
[01:11] <parsnip> hey all
[01:12] <parsnip> can someone verify this syntax for me please
[01:13] <parsnip> Exec=/bin/sh -c "newArtist=`kdialog --Artist "Enter the new artist"`;id3tag -a $newArtist %u"
[01:14] <drbeams> hi, adept manager won't open.  it says that something else is using it
[01:14] <stdin> one to many quotes and you actually don't need the "/bin/sh -c" part
[01:15] <Tm_T> !adeptcrashfix | drbeams
[01:15] <Tm_T> aaaah!
[01:15] <stdin> drewcipher_: open konsole and run "sudo fuer -vik /var/lib/dpkg/lock ; sudo dpkg --configure -a"
[01:15] <stdin> aee
[01:15] <Tm_T> hah
[01:15] <stdin> drewcipher_: open konsole and run "sudo fuser -vik /var/lib/dpkg/lock ; sudo dpkg --configure -a"
[01:16] <Tm_T> stdin: yup, ubotu doesn't make any errors
[01:16] <BluesKaj> err drbeams ...read above
[01:16] <drbeams> bcm43xx-fwcutter is foobared
[01:17] <stdin> I can't type any more, so I'll stop
[01:18] <the-erm> Hey ... my /etc/resolve.conf keeps getting changed, anyone know what is changing it?
[01:18] <Tm_T> black_one: stop nickspam
[01:18] <Tm_T> the-erm: dhcp, or, knetworkmanager, or any similar
[01:18] <parsnip> stdin: thanks for the advice man. do you mean ' or "s
[01:19] <drewcipher_> stdin? I'll get right on it.
[01:19] <Tm_T> drewcipher_: nah
[01:19] <the-erm> Tm_T: I believe I have knetworkmanager set up properly.
[01:19] <pingveno> Is there some sort of a web service interface planned to directly access the text of Wikipedia?
[01:19] <the-erm> I guess I should double check.
[01:20] <Tm_T> the-erm: well, it handles it then
[01:20] <pingveno> I'm thinking about making a bot, but I don't want to put much load on the server.
[01:20] <stdin> parsnip: basically  " Exec=id3tag -a $(kdialog --Artist "Enter the new artist") %u " would work
[01:21] <stdin> parsnip: tho I think it's %U not %u
[01:22] <the-erm> Tm_T: something is changing it, even if I set it in knetworkmanager.  I'll set it once, come back a few weeks later and then it's back to the old version.  I guess I'll just set up a cron job that copies the resolve.conf I want every 15 minutes or so.
[01:23] <Biovore> the-erm: on wifi?
[01:23] <Biovore> or dhcp?
[01:23] <parsnip> stdin: cheers man, ive been on this all night
[01:23] <parsnip> i'll check the %u /
[01:24] <parsnip> stdin: capital U is for multiples
[01:24] <the-erm> Biovore: that's the weird thing about it, I'm running a static ip.
[01:25] <Biovore> the-erm: is /etc/network/interfaces setup for static?
[01:25] <stdin> parsnip: would work wither way then
[01:25] <stdin> s/wither/either/
[01:26] <parsnip> stdin: true :)
[01:27] <Tm_T> the-erm: I bet it's dhcp
[01:27] <the-erm> Biovore, Tm_T: http://pastebin.ca/666256 // nope that sucker is static
[01:27] <Biovore> well knetwork manager sometimes does weird stuff..  Its a susey thing.. go figure..
[01:28] <Biovore> the-erm: yup.. I say thats a static config..
[01:28] <Tm_T> the-erm: if you have dhcp running...
[01:28] <Biovore> (dhclient)
[01:28] <Tm_T> yup
[01:30] <the-erm> ps -A | grep dh  == 4946 ?        00:00:00 dhcdbd // hmmm
[01:31] <the-erm> I think I'll just skip it and run cp /etc/resolv.conf.force /etc/resolv.conf every 15 minutes.
[01:31] <NamShub> is there anyway to add feed from firefox to akregator?
[01:31] <ronaldo> hi
[01:32] <M_42> does anyone here know what mode ext3 is in by default in feisty???
[01:33] <magicalmoose> Hey guys, I have a problem. First off, I can't run beryl manager without running it on the terminal or using a command, and when it finally runs, my entire screen freezes, the background turns black, and the title bar (minimize, exit, restore, etc) goes away, and I have to keep restarting my computer, so yeah, if anyone could help me, that would be awesome.
[01:35] <BluesKaj> !beryl | magicalmoose
[01:36] <magicalmoose> hm?
[01:36] <BluesKaj> !beryl
[01:36] <az> hey
[01:37] <magicalmoose> I'm sorry, I must sound stupid, I'm kinda new to kubuntu and irc and whatnot, explain again?
[01:37] <BluesKaj> hmmm for sure ...where's ubotu ?
[01:37] <mneptok> on strike
[01:38] <magicalmoose> help me?
[01:38] <BluesKaj> magicalmoose, check in #ubuntu-effects
[01:38] <mneptok> he wants better wages and clean diapers.
[01:38] <magicalmoose> thanks, blueskaj
[01:39] <the-erm> I want better wages and clean diapers ... or at least someone else to change them for me.
[01:40] <BluesKaj> use the bathroom , or you're too young orold to be here :)
[01:40] <az> hey, i downloaded the nvidia driver from the nvidia homepage (filename.run), but how do i install it on Kubuntu ?
[01:41] <the-erm> * the diapers aren't for me, but the kids *
[01:42] <az> thats what i would say to
[01:42] <az> can anyone help me ?
[01:43] <the-erm> az I think you need to set the execute bit chmod +x filename.run
[01:44] <magicalmoose> BluesKaj, #ubuntu-effects didn't help me
[01:44] <BluesKaj> az,  in the terminal : sh ./driverfilename.run
[01:45] <az> yess, i got it, but now it says exit X
[01:45] <az> how ?
[01:45] <az> telinit    3?
[01:46] <BluesKaj> sorry magicalmoose, my beryl knowledge is practically nonexistent since I don't use it :(
[01:48] <magicalmoose> okay. well thanks anyway
[01:48] <alan__> Problem: Text is too small.
[01:48] <elvirolo2> hi all
[01:48] <alan__> in all KDE aplications
[01:48] <elvirolo2> my usb key is not detected
[01:51] <aaroncampbell> On my last few updates with adept, I got a warning saying that changes couldn't be committed, even though it seems they were (it shows no packages available for update).  What might be causing this?  I wonder if it's related to the fact that I install Eclipse, but it doesn't work.
[01:51] <aaroncampbell> Is there a way for me to see what the cause was?
[01:52] <Biovore> does the usb key show yup in dmesg
[01:53] <az> how do i close the X server ?
[01:53] <Biovore> ctrl-alt-backspace will restar tthe X server..  (log you out as well)
[01:54] <the-erm> then you can click the power button and turn off the computer.
[01:57] <BluesKaj> Biovore,that's more info than we need
[02:03] <alan__> Volv.
[02:03] <alan__> =(
[02:03] <alan__> No funcion.
[02:04] <alan__> El texto sigue muy pequeo.
[02:04] <mneptok> !es > alan__
[02:04] <alan__> Cmo?
[02:05] <mneptok>  /join #ubuntu-es
[02:06] <alan__> ah, ok. Gracias. And sorry x_x
[02:07] <azzco> Hello how do I install a specific version of a package?
[02:07] <azzco> I need to install gammu 1.10.6 but I can only see 1.11 version in adept
[02:07] <Biovore> azzco: I download the deb and install it..
[02:07] <azzco> I need to find the package manually?
[02:08] <intelikey> join #ubumtu
[02:08] <intelikey> ooops sorry
[02:09] <flaccid> azzco: http://blog.andrewbeacock.com/2007/03/how-to-install-specific-version-of.html
[02:09] <flaccid> i think that should help
[02:09] <kaminix2> Any idea as to why the "ad row [to table] " option would be dimmed in KWord?
[02:09] <azzco> Thanks I'll check it out then :)
[02:09] <flaccid> failing that, there is more in google
[02:09] <flaccid> coffee time
[02:15] <hamadooo> why i can't use my mic
[02:15] <hamadooo> the same mic i can use it in windows
[02:15] <hamadooo> but  i can't use it in ubuntu
[02:16] <intelikey> input volume too low or muted ?      wrong input device selected ?
[02:16] <flaccid> !sound
[02:17] <hamadooo> how i select the device
[02:17] <flaccid> try that plus kmix
[02:17] <hamadooo> plus what
[02:17] <Biovore> some sound devices the mic dosn't work.. or its half-duplex..
[02:18] <flaccid> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=205449
[02:18] <intelikey> flaccid any good with sound issues ?    i can hardly hear any sound here if all is very very quiet, i hear most faint sound from the speakers.      i've checked all i know to check, still the same.    ???
[02:18] <doug_> if i wrote a script file with the #! /bin/sh on top and then put a rovclock command under that, and put the file into /etc/init.d and changed it to root ownership, would it execute the command at boot?
[02:22] <flaccid> intelikey: unfortunately not. i do not agree with sound on linux as it forks unix. also is poorly documented if at all. sound is hit and miss on linux
[02:23] <flaccid> intelikey: which sound card?
[02:23] <intelikey> heh.   well it's always hit until now for me.  this is the first box that has given any trubble.
[02:24] <flaccid> hmm they have improved the wiki but, interesting http://www.alsa-project.org/main/index.php/Main_Page
[02:24] <intelikey> errummm it's calling it ac97
[02:24] <flaccid> omg
[02:24] <flaccid> that one should be np
[02:24] <intelikey> it's a   sis
[02:24] <flaccid> altough ac97 is not the chip
[02:24] <flaccid> ah yep
[02:24] <intelikey> i'll post the info give me a sec.
[02:25] <flaccid> the intel ich and ati ac97 work fine in alsa. maybe its because its a sis
[02:25] <flaccid> is it turned up in kmix / alsamixer?
[02:25] <intelikey> here's  lshw   http://ubuntu.pastebin.us/39086
[02:25] <flaccid> do you get same vol problem with aplay?
[02:26] <intelikey> here's lspci  http://ubuntu.pastebin.us/39087
[02:26] <intelikey> flaccid aplay ?       <blinks>
[02:26] <elvirolo2> hi
[02:27] <elvirolo2> how do i install ati proprietary drivres under kubuntu fesity ?
[02:27] <elvirolo2> drivers*
[02:27] <intelikey> !ati | elvirolo2
[02:27] <flaccid> intelikey: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=205449
[02:27] <intelikey> is ubotu dead ?
[02:27] <flaccid> intelikey: this is it? configuration: driver=Trident4DWaveAudio
[02:27] <flaccid> looks like it
[02:28] <intelikey> flaccid yeah it's auto loading the trident driver
[02:29] <flaccid> its possible this thread could help or maybe not http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=238446&page=4
[02:29] <elvirolo2> still, could anyone help me ?
[02:29] <flaccid> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=32063
[02:29] <elvirolo2> i know there's a tool for that in ubuntu
[02:29] <flaccid> !ati
[02:29] <flaccid> i'll get you the link
[02:30] <elvirolo2> thank you
[02:30] <flaccid> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto/ATI
[02:31] <elvirolo2> flaccid: thanks
[02:33] <flaccid> np
[02:34] <intelikey> flaccid  http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=205449  is un-usable in cli mode.  the lines don't warp.
[02:34] <flaccid> huh?
[02:34] <BluesKaj> !ubotu
[02:34] <intelikey> aplay -l does list the card though
[02:34] <flaccid> i don't know what you mean sorry intelikey
[02:35] <intelikey> can't read the page.    i see the first eighty chars of the line then th\nso i can't really tell what it's saying about that.
[02:36] <flaccid> use a gui browser then
[02:36] <flaccid> kubuntu is after all a desktop operating system :)
[02:36] <intelikey> install a gui to get sound working.     don't be dificult.
[02:37] <flaccid> i can't help it if you can't read a web page and the ubuntu are using non free forums that are not web standards..
[02:37] <flaccid> :)
[02:37] <draik> intelikey: Audio doesn't work without a GUI?
[02:37] <draik> What about espeak?
[02:37] <intelikey> so by your defanition "desktop" means "gui desktop"   hmmm
[02:37] <flaccid> i didn't define it, no
[02:38] <intelikey> :)
[02:38] <intelikey> ok.   well   i just wanted to point out that the page is not cli friendly.
[02:39] <flaccid> lol the whole forums is non free and non web standards/semantic
[02:39] <flaccid> doco team don't care as usual
[02:39] <intelikey> as usual
[02:39] <Eeyore-Jr> hi.  i need to repair a adept installation.  i need to reset the config for a package.  how do i do that?
[02:40] <BluesKaj> !adept-fix
[02:40] <intelikey> dpkg-reconfigure -plow <packagename>
[02:40] <intelikey> BluesKaj ubotu seems to be AWOL
[02:40] <flaccid> time to go on a vpn
[02:40] <flaccid> bbs
[02:41] <BluesKaj> yeah  intelikey , seems so
[02:46] <draik> How do I edit video clips? I want to get a few snipettes of video from some videos I have.
[02:47] <BluesKaj> draik, try avidemux
[02:49] <draik> BluesKaj: I just got rid of all these apps... dvd-slideshow ffmpeg k3b libavcodeccvs51 libavformatcvs51 libfaad0 qdvdauthor transcode
[02:50] <BluesKaj> uhoh
[02:53] <BluesKaj> draik, try tovid and check the dependencies required cuz they also share other video apps : http://tovid.wikia.com/wiki/Main_Page
[02:54] <Eeyore-Jr> the proper way in aptitude is "sudo aptitude purge <package-name>
[02:54] <draik> BluesKaj: It's ok for now. Would you know how to crop out video with avidemux?
[02:55] <BluesKaj> no draik, sorry :(
[02:56] <Eeyore-Jr> !broadcom
[02:57] <BluesKaj> draik, check this page : http://avidemux.sourceforge.net/doc/en/index.html
[02:58] <drewcipher_> draik:  editing with avidemux can be done right in the UI through the controls.  You should see A/ and /B type icons that allow you to mark the section you want, copy, paste, etc.
[02:59] <draik> Yup
[02:59] <drewcipher_> not working?
[02:59] <draik> Thank you for the link
[02:59] <draik> I was just toying with the app first
[02:59] <drewcipher_> cool
[03:02] <draik> Cool. Got it done!
[03:02] <draik> Thank you BluesKaj
[03:03] <BluesKaj> :)
[03:03] <flaccid> anybody got cisco vpn client compiled against gutsy
[03:05] <flaccid> probably not
[03:05] <Biovore> nope..  close source binary an't it?
[03:10] <Dragnslcr> Anyone know if it's possible to have a game pad considered input as far as stuff like monitor power saving and Kopete idle time is concerned?
[03:15] <manchicken> !qemu
[03:26] <semistud2354> hey for some reason my usb stick dosnt mount wen i plug it in
[03:26] <semistud2354> i tryed on my windows comp and it didnt work right
[03:26] <semistud2354> it told me to format it
[03:26] <semistud2354> but when i tryed it just messed up
[03:26] <jhutchins> semistud2354: Dead.
[03:26] <hitmanWilly> semistud2354, sounds like it went bad
[03:26] <semistud2354> srry didnt mess up...it just said cannot format usb
[03:27] <jhutchins> semistud2354: That's what happens when they die.
[03:27] <hitmanWilly> semistud2354, still sounds dead
[03:27] <semistud2354> omg...i just opend it
[03:27] <semistud2354> like
[03:27] <semistud2354> 3 days ago
[03:27] <semistud2354> lol
[03:27] <hitmanWilly> you may want to take it back, then :)
[03:28] <semistud2354> i dunno if this was the thing
[03:28] <semistud2354> but
[03:28] <semistud2354> i had this...easy scandisk....program
[03:28] <semistud2354> that would pop up when i inserted it into my windows omp
[03:28] <semistud2354> comp*
[03:28] <semistud2354> i deleted that...
[03:28] <nosrednaekim> manchicken: seems the bot is dead
[03:28] <semistud2354> you guys think...maby thats why its not workin
[03:29] <manchicken> nosrednaekim: I can't seem to get networking in qemu to work.
[03:29] <hitmanWilly> semistud2354, not sure, but i doubt it
[03:29] <nosrednaekim> manchicken: did you install bridge-utils?
[03:29] <manchicken> I'm about to.
[03:30] <manchicken> Never have I seen any docs saying that was the way to go...
[03:30] <semistud2354> dammit.....thanx guys....
[03:30] <manchicken> nosrednaekim: What now?
[03:31] <nosrednaekim> manchicken: I think its a recommended package.
[03:31] <nosrednaekim> manchicken: I don't know :) never did it myself
[03:32] <jhutchins> Actually, it could be if he just formatted it it would work.
[03:37] <nosrednaekim> manchicken: sorry.
[03:37] <manchicken> np.  I found a page that has some info
[03:37] <manchicken> http://wiki.freaks-unidos.net/qemu-debian
[03:39] <nosrednaekim> good
[03:39] <manchicken> I may have spoken too soon :)
[03:40] <nosrednaekim> >:D
[03:45] <aaron_> who's got problems with torrents being slow on thier linux machine, where as, they are very fast on thier windows machine? same torrent. same internet connection?
[03:53] <BluesKaj> aaron , are using a router ?
[03:56] <aaron_> BluesKaj: of course. iptables router.
[03:56] <aaron_> yes, ports are forwarded correctly.
[03:56] <aaron_> in widnows, they are fast. same torrent on linux box, slow.
[03:56] <BluesKaj> ktorrent
[03:56] <BluesKaj> ?
[03:56] <aaron_> ktorrent, azureus, utorrent under wine.
[03:57] <aaron_> i've found some other threads and googled some other people with similar problems, but no answers
[03:57] <aaron_> is ktorrent in particular, bad?
[03:58] <BluesKaj> utorrent in wine runs very well too on my setup and ktorrent is about the same
[03:58] <aaron_> i'll have to do some more particular testing later with known fast torrents. (openoffice or something)
[03:59] <aaron_> utorrnet stinks becuase the speedlimits don't work.
[04:00] <flaccid> opera isnt bad for torrents
[04:01] <aaron_> i like ktorrent and azureus
[04:01] <flaccid> i like azureus, but it has problems from time to time
[04:01] <aaron_> it doesn't like ot use it's assigned port.
[04:02] <BluesKaj> azureus is a hog , but some ppl swear by it
[04:02] <aaron_> i always used it in windows until utorrent started working well. that thing is amazing.
[04:02] <flaccid> its ok. i don't think any bt client is near perfect
[04:02] <Azzco> I'm reinstalling feisty and I've ran into some troubles with this install before. grub not working correctly..
[04:03] <flaccid> define not working correctly..
[04:03] <Azzco> Does the installer CD do anythig after it asks you to eject the CD?
[04:03] <Azzco> Displays GRUB then freeze
[04:03] <flaccid> hard freeze?
[04:03] <aaron_> hrm.. ktorrent won't open in gnome.
[04:03] <Azzco> If you mean that only a hard reste fixes it then yes
[04:04] <aaron_> dont' wanna reset :)
[04:04] <flaccid> if grub is configured properly and init is ok then its possible its hardware, otherwise could be anything
[04:04] <Eeyore-Jr> !broadcom
[04:04] <Eeyore-Jr> ! broadcom
[04:04] <bkudria> can some help me set up pam-ssh?  i've followed all the directions in the README.Debian, but I'm prompted for the passphrase each time anyway.  has anyone got this working?
[04:04] <Minataku> Azzco: I've found it adviseable to follow EVERY direction
[04:04] <Eeyore-Jr> !bcm43xx-fwcutter
[04:04] <Minataku> Typically, I let it reset itself after it asks you to eject
[04:04] <Azzco> Okay just wondering if it's some final step after the CD ejects as the gutsy install worked perfectly =/
[04:04] <Minataku> !ping
[04:05] <scrubb> I keep getting a SIGSEGV every time KDE starts up.
[04:05] <Minataku> Eeyore-Jr: Give up, it would seem the bot is out of service
[04:05] <scrubb> Could someone help me figure out why?
[04:05] <aaron_> torrent doesn't need a udp port does it?
[04:05] <flaccid> scrubb: try #kde
[04:05] <aaron_> just tcp?
[04:05] <Azzco> Minataku: what do you mean?
[04:05] <Minataku> Azzco: Don't power down the machine yourself after install
[04:05] <Minataku> Let it reset or halt by itself
[04:06] <Azzco> Well it freezes and I left it for half an hour last time
[04:06] <scrubb> Well it's always the Power Manager application that crashes.  Is that part of KDE specifically?
[04:06] <Azzco> Okay I'll do that then, thanks Minataku
[04:06] <Minataku> Once it's halted properly, THEN you can power off/restart
[04:06] <Minataku> Yeah, I ran into a similar issue with some other thing
[04:06] <aaron_> ok. downloading openoffice (FAST torrent) on my 10mbit/1.2mbit cable modem... getting 83kb per second down.
[04:06] <Minataku> When it says to eject, it's typically not done
[04:06] <nosrednaekim> scrubb: no.. its not. thats devolped by kubuntu
[04:06] <Azzco> I'll watch TTY1 when it's time then :)
[04:07] <nosrednaekim> scrubb: do you have a laptop?
[04:07] <scrubb> Then I'm in the right channel. =)
[04:07] <Minataku> It follows up with some cleanup afterwards and shuts down normally
[04:07] <scrubb> I suppose I should have specified that from the start.
[04:07] <scrubb> So guidance-power-manager.py crashes at login with a SIGSEGV error.
[04:07] <flaccid> there is no way you can accurately test bt clients... there are too many variables
[04:08] <scrubb> Anybody have any ideas?
[04:08] <nosrednaekim> scrubb: I think there is a bug by that name actually
[04:08] <flaccid> scrubb: what version of ubuntu
[04:08] <dwidmann_> It's malnourishment. We just didn't feed him enough botsnacks :(
[04:09] <aaron_> flaccid: it's obvious when a torrent downloads at 800kb/second on windows machine, and then change the port to your linux box, and it goes at 80kb per sec.
[04:09] <nosrednaekim> and over work in the ubuntu channel
[04:09] <scrubb> flaccid, feisty
[04:09] <nosrednaekim> scrubb: try running "guidance-power-manager" from a konsole
[04:10] <scrubb> Nosrednaekim: crashes immediately.
[04:10] <dwidmann_> nosrednaekim: developed by kubuntu, but last I checked it's in kde svn isn't it?
[04:10] <flaccid> aaron_: yes but you are downloading at a dif time with different people sharing with different speeds, etc. you could even close the bt client on windows and resume and not get the large speed again. also the transfer settings for each bt client will be different. if you are using a java client, you need sun java.
[04:10] <nosrednaekim> scrubb: any error?
[04:10] <nosrednaekim> dwidmann_: yeah.. thats a qt4 version
[04:10] <flaccid> scrubb: did you try #kde
[04:10] <nosrednaekim> dwidmann_: but its basically developed by a kubuntu dev.
[04:11] <nosrednaekim> flaccid: its not a problem ith kde
[04:11] <flaccid> how do you know?
[04:11] <flaccid> what is the problem with
[04:11] <aaron_> I've got sun java :)
[04:11] <nosrednaekim> flaccid: cause I know the dev
[04:11] <flaccid> the dev of  what?
[04:12] <nosrednaekim> his name is Lure.
[04:12] <nosrednaekim> of guidance-power-manager
[04:12] <aaron_> are there any linux torrent clients that don't need a gui? use a web interface or something like that?
[04:12] <flaccid> ok if you think its just that then ok cool
[04:12] <scrubb> OK, so I've got a backtrace from KCrash...
[04:12] <flaccid> !info rtorrent
[04:12] <flaccid> yeah rtorrent
[04:12] <flaccid> there are crappy web ones as well
[04:13] <nosrednaekim> scrubb: pastebin it.
[04:13] <Azzco> Install complete wish my GL with the shutdown ;)
[04:13] <aaron_> heh, don't need one that's crappy. just one to run ON my router.
[04:13] <scrubb> aaron_: Some trackers don't like web-based clients and will ban you.
[04:13] <BluesKaj> Opera browser has a decent torrent client
[04:13] <dwidmann_> it wouild seem ubotu isn't even in the channel. Surprise Surprise
[04:13] <flaccid> rtorrent is good
[04:13] <bkudria> can some help me set up pam-ssh?  i've followed all the directions in the README.Debian, but I'm prompted for the passphrase each time anyway.  has anyone got this working?
[04:13] <aaron_> just looking for something to run on a basically headless server.
[04:13] <flaccid> ubotu isn't on the server either
[04:13] <aaron_> i'll look at rtorrent
[04:13] <flaccid> bkudria: nntr
[04:14] <nosrednaekim> !help
[04:14] <nosrednaekim> !ops
[04:14] <scrubb> !pastebin
[04:14] <bkudria> flaccid: i'm sorry?  what is nntr?
[04:14] <Tm_T> nosrednaekim: yes?
[04:14] <flaccid> no need to repeat
[04:14] <nosrednaekim> scrubb: lol... bot is down look in the channel topic
[04:14] <aaron_> or, www.pastebin.com
[04:14] <bkudria> flaccid: oh. :)
[04:14] <nosrednaekim> Tm_T: bot is gone..
[04:14] <scrubb> I always forget the address. =(
[04:14] <Tm_T> nosrednaekim: I know
[04:15] <flaccid> bkudria: google has a lots on it...
[04:15] <Tm_T> nosrednaekim: else?
[04:15] <nosrednaekim> Tm_T: can you get ubot3 from the ubuntu channel over here?
[04:15] <bkudria> flaccid: i've searched and tried and expirmented, i still cannot get it to work
[04:15] <Tm_T> not sure
[04:15] <flaccid> bkudria: try #ubuntu and ##linux
[04:16] <Hobbsee> nosrednaekim: ?
[04:16] <bkudria> flaccid: ok, thanks, i'll try
[04:16] <Tm_T> Hobbsee: nothing, move along
[04:16] <nosrednaekim> Hobbsee: Tm_T is taking care of it.. don't orry
[04:16] <scrubb> http://pastebin.com/d696d5d9f
[04:17] <Tm_T> nosrednaekim: we'll see it when people wake up
[04:17] <flaccid> scrubb: i'd try purging any packages related and reinstalling them to make sure you got right versions etc.
[04:17] <Tm_T> nosrednaekim: thanks for worrying tho ;)
[04:17] <nosrednaekim> Tm_T: ok thanks... :)
[04:18] <Tm_T> nosrednaekim: next time maybe come say hello in #ubuntu-ops ;)
[04:18] <nosrednaekim> Tm_T: ok sorry
[04:19] <nosrednaekim> didn't know
[04:19] <nosrednaekim> scrubb: ok.. odd. search launchpad to see if someone has already files a related bug
[04:19] <scrubb> nosred: what/where is launchpad?
[04:20] <flaccid> google.com reveals sites like launchpad pretty quick on search
[04:20] <flaccid> launchpad.net
[04:20] <nosrednaekim> scrubb: thats the bug/ development site for ubuntu
[04:23] <LoneShadow> anyone using xosview ?
[04:23] <nosrednaekim> whats that>
[04:23] <LoneShadow> wondering if there is anything better than that
[04:23] <LoneShadow> its a cpu/memory monitor
[04:24] <BluesKaj> launchpad is fine for similar probs as ppl may have but provides absolutely no solutions ...what good does google do by listing it first ...nothing
[04:25] <flaccid> huh
[04:26] <BluesKaj> commiseration is fine , but ppl wanmt solutions to their probs not mere agreement 'yeah i got that prob too'..what good is that
[04:26] <genii> BluesKaj: I agree
[04:27] <BluesKaj> hi genii
[04:27] <scrubb> nosred: checked launchpad site just now.  Nothing relevant under "power manager"
[04:27] <BluesKaj> :)
[04:27] <Angelus> BlueDevil !
[04:27] <Angelus> * BluesKaj
[04:28] <Angelus> oh
[04:28] <nosrednaekim> LoneShadow: try ctrl+esc
[04:29] <BluesKaj> but thx anyway , Angelus :)
[04:29] <Angelus> for nothing dude ;)
[04:29] <sharkbrainguy> I just installed kde/kubuntu over my existing gnome/ubuntu install and in kde using the GIMP right clicking on the image doesn't bring up the usual menu. Does anyone know how to fix this?
[04:29] <BluesKaj> all my other bandmembers smoke
[04:30] <tazgodx_> anyone know how i can set up a FTP server remotely? i want to set up a FTP server on my mythtv box.
[04:30] <nosrednaekim> sharkbrainguy: hmm let me check that out
[04:30] <scrubb> nosred:  No luck on launchpad so far.  Any ideas?
[04:30] <Angelus> you have a band BluesKaj?
[04:30] <sharkbrainguy> nosrednaekim: cheers
[04:31] <BluesKaj> yeah Angelus , just a bunch of old rockers
[04:31] <nosrednaekim> sharkbrainguy: I get a nice little menu when I right-click
[04:31] <sharkbrainguy> ... hmmm
[04:31] <nosrednaekim> sharkbrainguy: what do you get?
[04:31] <Angelus> nice
[04:31] <sharkbrainguy> nothing
[04:32] <sharkbrainguy> no reaction
[04:32] <nosrednaekim> sharkbrainguy: hmmm
[04:32] <nosrednaekim> wierdness.
[04:32] <sharkbrainguy> crazy huh?
[04:32] <Angelus> i like rock BluesKaj , dough my fav is rap/hiphop/gangsta rap
[04:32] <Angelus> ;p
[04:32] <LoneShadow> nosrednaekim:  found conky, trying out instead
[04:32] <sharkbrainguy> it could be the ati driver I installed
[04:32] <nosrednaekim> I have the ati driver installed too
[04:32] <sharkbrainguy> I was following the principle of "make as many radical changes as I can at once"
[04:33] <nosrednaekim> lol
[04:33] <nosrednaekim> so you can't tell what broke it
[04:33] <nosrednaekim> :)
[04:33] <sharkbrainguy> yeah exactly
[04:33] <sharkbrainguy> the fair test principle only depresses me
[04:33] <sharkbrainguy> everything else works great in the GIMp
[04:33] <BluesKaj> Angelus, i can't identify with that ghetto/gangta/rap...too old :)
[04:34] <nosrednaekim> scrubb: did you find the bug?
[04:34] <scrubb> Nope.
[04:34] <Angelus> how much old are you then ?
[04:34] <Angelus> 30s ?
[04:35] <flaccid> BluesKaj: people are unrealisticly demanding :(
[04:35] <flaccid> tazgodx_: install something like vsftpd or proftpd would be easiest. should be stuff on the wiki
[04:35] <nosrednaekim> scrubb: hmm....ok... file a new bug then
[04:35] <genii> I wonder if they're ever demandingly realistic
[04:36] <BluesKaj> heh, 64 Angelus...grandfather / dinosaur drummer
[04:36] <scrubb> In other words, you don't have a clue how to solve it? ;)
[04:36] <nosrednaekim> sharkbrainguy: try reinstalling gimp
[04:36] <nosrednaekim> scrubb: precisely.
[04:36] <sharkbrainguy> yeah? okay
[04:36] <oem> hi
[04:37] <nosrednaekim> hi
[04:37] <scrubb> Ok.  Well, I have a smaller problem that maybe you know about...
[04:37] <Angelus> wow you're 64 BluesKaj
[04:37] <scrubb> When I start up, the sound only comes out of the right speaker.  As soon as I move the volume slider, it comes out of both.  What's going on?
[04:37] <nosrednaekim> scrubb: shoot!
[04:37] <BluesKaj> yeah, as of last week
[04:37] <Angelus> and you sound 20s/30s the way you talk
[04:37] <nosrednaekim> scrubb: you got an ATI?
[04:38] <scrubb> No.  NVIDIA
[04:38] <nosrednaekim> scrubb: oh.hmm
[04:38] <sharkbrainguy> maybe the ubuntu studio graphics package was being silly about something
[04:38] <BluesKaj> Angelus,???...how is some one who's my age supposed to speak ?
[04:39] <namol> you're supposed to sound old and crotchety
[04:39] <sharkbrainguy> and tell us to get off of your lawn
[04:39] <namol> Get off my lawn, you whipper snappers
[04:39] <sharkbrainguy> with impeccable grammar
[04:39] <Angelus> hmm BluesKaj dont know where you leave, but in my country , people over 60 doesnt know what a computer is , and they're also anoying some of them :/.
[04:39] <BluesKaj> namol, oh I can ...np there if you guys keep this up :)
[04:40] <Angelus> but yeah, my country is still not that advanced like other countries hehe
[04:40] <dthacker> what are all you people doing on my lawn?
[04:40] <namol> lol
[04:40] <scrubb> "expunge thyselves from my property lest I smite theeQ!"
[04:40] <BluesKaj> <--- Canada, retired labtech guy ...worked with applications computers since 1983
[04:40] <sharkbrainguy> wtf...
[04:41] <scrubb> er disregard the Q
[04:41] <sharkbrainguy> right click menus in Gimp are still non-existent fro me
[04:41] <nosrednaekim> sharkbrainguy: od odd odd
[04:41] <sharkbrainguy> isn't it
[04:41] <Angelus> ah you live in canada BluesKaj , i live on a piece of island in the middle of the mediterenean sea, europe.
[04:42] <sharkbrainguy> maybe I should just do a clean install of kubuntu
[04:42] <sharkbrainguy> I've installed so many random packages
[04:42] <BluesKaj> which island , Angelus ?
[04:42] <nosrednaekim> sharkbrainguy: maybe...
[04:42] <Angelus> BlueDevil:  Malta
[04:42] <genii> According to US weather maps Canada doesn't exist.... we are a big blank space between a nice clean nothern border and the island of Alaska
[04:42] <nosrednaekim> Angelus: sweet... that thing got really beat up in WW2
[04:42] <Angelus> yeah lol
[04:43] <genii> Yeah more ammo dumped on Maltathan anywhere else
[04:43] <Angelus> but still lives dough ;p
[04:43] <nosrednaekim> its all that limestone I read
[04:43] <BluesKaj> nice , Angelus ...I've chatted with a fella from Malta about audio equipment a few yrs back
[04:43] <Angelus> hehe
[04:43] <namol> ibizia?!
[04:44] <BluesKaj> hehe been watching FoxNews again eh genii :)
[04:44] <scrubb> Question:  Will it do any damage if I uninstall guidance-power-manager?
[04:44] <Angelus> this island survived many wars
[04:44] <genii> BluesKaj: It's like a bad train wreck, I can't look away...
[04:44] <BluesKaj> :)
[04:44] <LoneShadow> In Ubuntu to add a startup program I have to add it under System->Preferences->Sessions, whats the equivalent in KDE/Kubuntu ?
[04:45] <hitmanWilly> LoneShadow, link it in ~/.kde/Autostart
[04:45] <nosrednaekim> scrubb: noep.. it won;t
[04:45] <genii> intelikey: Thanks :)
[04:46] <LoneShadow> hitmanWilly: but no other way than editing Autostart ? :)
[04:46] <hitmanWilly> LoneShadow, not that i know of
[04:46] <BluesKaj> k-menu /menu editor will also work , LoneShadow
[04:46] <Angelus> hmm
[04:47] <BluesKaj> oh autostart , sorry ...misread that LoneShadow
[04:47] <Angelus> if i want to install a package from kvirc's site, but i already have kvirc installed from Adept, should i remove this one first?
[04:47] <LoneShadow> not sure what k-menu/menu editor is, I installed KDE-Desktop on Ubuntu. My Menu icons are all messed up
[04:47] <LoneShadow> I dont even get KControl on the Menu :(
[04:48] <Angelus> LoneShadow:  press the big K button on your desktop, right click in the menu and "edit menu"
[04:48] <Angelus> :p
[04:48] <LoneShadow> either my installed failed, or "aptitude install kde-desktop" is having some bugs
[04:48] <LoneShadow> Angelus:  ok that works :D
[04:48] <Angelus> hehe
[04:49] <BluesKaj> LoneShadow, have you installed kubuntu-desktop ?
[04:49] <LoneShadow> BluesKaj: yes
[04:49] <BluesKaj> good
[04:49] <Angelus> BluesKaj: how can i install a kernel from kernel.org on kubuntu ? is it posible ?
[04:49] <flaccid> !kernel
[04:49] <flaccid> dang
[04:50] <LoneShadow> BluesKaj: when I install kubuntu-desktop, am I supposed to see KControl (Control Center?) on the main menu ?
[04:50] <hitmanWilly> LoneShadow, its System Settings now, IIRC
[04:51] <hitmanWilly> LoneShadow, though kcontrol is still there
[04:51] <LoneShadow> oh
[04:51] <LoneShadow> yea Kcontrol is there
[04:51] <BluesKaj> LoneShadow, no you have to alt+f2 type kcontrol
[04:52] <LoneShadow> BluesKaj: oh thats the run window. I use terminal :D
[04:52] <LoneShadow> I was thinking the icons/links were messed up
[04:52] <BluesKaj> well, both should work :)
[04:53] <intelikey> i've been in #alsa  trying to raise the volume enough to hear it,   but no joy.
[04:53] <LoneShadow> coz of the Applications on the menu lost icons when I logged in thru KDE
[04:53] <LoneShadow> some*
[04:53] <LoneShadow> had to assign them manually
[04:53] <BluesKaj> intelikey, what about kmix
[04:56] <BluesKaj> weell, sacktime here ..nite all, take care
[04:56] <intelikey> BluesKaj heh  yeah,   well i'd have to install xorg and kde and then kmix would tell me the same thing that alsamixer tells me now.  that the volume controls are ALL AT 100% and not muted.
[04:56] <intelikey> rascal   he was too quick.
[05:03] <Mr_Sonoma> intelikey, out of curiosity what system are you having sound troubles out of?
[05:05] <intelikey> Mr_Sonoma it's new box "to me"  just another junker that someone dumped to everyone else.    it's a short tower case with "i think it's " asus mobo k7 cpu  on board (which i don't like) sound and vidio    sound chip is  sis trident
[05:07] <intelikey> oh and i'm dl'ing oss 4.0  to see if building an oss driver will get it working propperly
[05:07] <intelikey> so lag is high.
[05:07] <flaccid> oss works fine :)
[05:07] <level1> I have a intel quad core processor... does it have HT and is kubuntu taking advantage of it?
[05:07] <flaccid> alsa most likely the problem
[05:10] <intelikey> level1 cat /proc/cpuinfo
[05:11] <intelikey> hmmm  maybe it's k6 insted of k7
[05:11] <intelikey> model name      : AMD Athlon(tm) processor
[05:12] <intelikey> cpu family      : 6
[05:13] <intelikey> not bad for the price.   $0.00   :)    http://ubuntu.pastebin.us/39096
[05:14] <byonix>  Hi i use ubuntu feisty, i have just installed kiba dock, kiba dock-dev & kiba plugins, but how to use it, nothing appears when i click kiba dock
[05:24] <intelikey> that oss package  heh   http://ubuntu.pastebin.us/39097
[05:24] <intelikey> i'd say they are in desprate need of a script
[05:25] <dthacker> oops
[05:29] <intelikey> what! oss requires gtk+      give me a break.
[05:32] <level1> !aptfix
[05:32] <level1> !apt is very broken
[05:32] <level1> :)
[05:32] <level1> I friend of mine broke something on his apt, I think theres a fix for him, does anyone know what it is?
[05:33] <level1> I'll get an error message
[05:33] <intelikey> sudo dpkg -a --configure
[05:34] <dthacker> !iso
[05:34] <dthacker> ! burn iso
[05:34] <dthacker> no ubotu love for me (:
[05:36] <dthacker> anybody got a link to give a new person to tell them how to burn an iso?
[05:36] <dthacker> (I'm answering launchpad questions)
[05:37] <underdog5004> dthacker, I would google for alex feinmans iso recorder and point them towards that.
[05:37] <level1> intelikey: so, he screwed up a compiz install... some how got compiz installed with some of its dependencies, so apt refuses to do anything until its fixed
[05:37] <level1> compiz depends on compiz-decorator; however:  Package compiz-decorator is not installed.
[05:37] <level1> etc
[05:37] <intelikey> sudo apt-get install -f
[05:37] <dthacker> underdog5004: thank you shoeshine boy.  You are humble and lovable.
[05:40] <banjooie> !dualmonitors
[05:40] <banjooie> I think that's how you do it?
[05:42] <intelikey> banjooie ubotu is `awol'    sorry
[05:43] <banjooie> Okay. At least I'm not just totally illiterate. In that case, uh.
[05:43] <banjooie> I have dual monitors going, but the second one seems to be stuck in 800x600.
[05:43] <level1> intelikey: E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[05:44] <intelikey> level1 and what was the error message ?
[05:45] <intelikey> ok so that sounds counter-intuitive to you.  well it's not.   i.e.   you are reporting the apt error, which is reporting the dpkg error listed higher in the same text.   find the first error message in that output.
[05:45] <level1> intelikey: compiz-plugins: Depends: compiz-core (= 1:0.5.2-0ubuntu2~ppa1) but 1:0.5.3~git20070817+3v1ubuntu0 is to be installed
[05:47] <intelikey> sudo apt-get remove compiz-core compiz-plugins          and get the repos streightened out.
[05:47] <intelikey> or don't dl and install packages manually without first dl'ing their deps also.
[05:49] <level1> intelikey: so, apt won't let him remove without unmet dependancies
[05:51] <intelikey> dpkg will  :)
[05:51] <intelikey> sudo dpkg -P --force-all compiz-core compiz-plugins
[05:52] <intelikey> sudo apt-get install -f || dpkg -a --configure
[05:52] <intelikey> sudo apt-get install -f || sudo dpkg -a --configure
[05:52] <intelikey> two sudo's   for the root jr. account please    with a side order of localhost to go.
[05:53] <flaccid> can i get a sudo echo ?
[05:54] <GullyFoyle> lol
[05:54] <flaccid> more or less
[05:57] <intelikey> if you are a root jr. you can
[05:57] <intelikey> :)
[05:57] <ardchoille> Whatever happened to that CNR stuff we were supposed to get from Linspire? Is it available for kubuntu users?
[05:58] <Artimus> ardchoille: You don't get the paid stuff, as far as I know. What's the difference between Click n' Run and Adept?
[06:01] <intelikey> i hate trying to build software.
[06:01] <intelikey> http://ubuntu.pastebin.us/39098
[06:01] <Artimus> intelikey: Do you have build-essential installed?
[06:01] <ardchoille> Artimus: That difference is actually what I was curious about. And I wouldn't mind the paid stuff if it was actually something I would use.
[06:02] <hacker128> rm
[06:02] <hacker128> hello
[06:02] <Artimus> ardchoille: I'm sure there's Crossover Office, there's a DVD player that no one cares about, Star Office...  That's about it.
[06:03] <hacker128> shred .topsecretgovermentfile
[06:03] <ardchoille> Artimus: I thought there was much more than that.
[06:03] <Artimus> hacker128: Having fun?
[06:03] <GullyFoyle>  lol
[06:03] <Artimus> ardchoille: There's VMWare, but I bet they aren't reselling that.
[06:03] <ardchoille> lol
[06:03] <hacker128> Whoops! Konversation is not bash after all!
[06:03] <davidb___> anyone here run VMWare under Kubuntu / Ubuntu?  I cannot get sound working on the guest operating system - tells me /dev/dsp is busy
[06:03] <hacker128> davidb___: Try qemu
[06:03] <Artimus> davidb___: Do you have alsa-oss emulation setup?
[06:05] <Artimus> davidb___: http://www.vmware.com/community/thread.jspa?threadID=4648&tstart=120
[06:05] <intelikey> ok so you can't use /build/ as a dir for the build cause the script is going to make /build/ and build build in build       they really need a script....
[06:05] <Artimus> intelikey: It gave an error about 'cc'.  Install build-essential.
[06:06] <intelikey> Artimus what's that ?
[06:06] <intelikey> who did ?
[06:06] <Artimus> intelikey: A package with GCC and other programs needed to compile software
[06:06] <Artimus> also, what the heck are you compiling?
[06:06] <hacker128> What if you change the script to build build in ~/build/build
[06:07] <Kr4t05> Hey.
[06:07] <Kr4t05> kB/s = kilobytes or kilobits?
[06:08] <davidb___> artimus: i will check that.
[06:08] <hacker128> Depende
[06:08] <hacker128> S
[06:08] <hacker128> O
[06:08] <hacker128> N
[06:08] <hacker128> W
[06:08] <hacker128> H
[06:08] <hacker128> E
[06:08] <hacker128> T
[06:08] <hacker128> H
[06:08] <hacker128> er
[06:08] <Artimus> hacker128: stop
[06:08] <davidb___> artimus: how would I know if I have that - can I use 'aptitude' to figure out if it's installed?
[06:09] <hacker128> Try synaptix
[06:09] <Artimus> davidb___: It won't hurt to tell it to install twice.
[06:09] <hacker128> Try synaptic
[06:09] <banjooie> So, like. Dual monitors? Anyone?
[06:09] <Artimus> hacker128: Stop giving bad advice.
[06:09] <banjooie> My second one is stuck at 800x600 and I can't seem to change it.
[06:09] <Artimus> davidb___: Otherwise, open up a terminal.  sudo apt-get install build-essential
[06:11] <rm> hacker128
[06:12] <davidb___> artimus: ok, i have alsa-oss installed?
[06:12] <davidb___> artimus: rather, that's a statement.  now, just try to open up VMWare?
[06:12] <Artimus> davidb___: Did you follow the instructions in the link?  You need to fix a few things.
[06:12] <davidb___> artimus: everythign I've read  has to do w/ stoping arts
[06:12] <stderr> i really hate building software....
[06:12] <Artimus> davidb___: That's generally what I do.
[06:13] <jeffm> hi all, i'm having trouble setting up an FTP server on my lan at home. i just want to send files between machines in the most basic way possible. i get the FTP prompt, but the connection keeps on timing out. do i need to change router settings to allow FTP, even though both computers are on the same lan?
[06:13] <Artimus> I go into the KDE control center, sound, and disable the arts sound system.
[06:13] <davidb___> artimus: ok, lemme check out the thread.  is it just a simple matter of 'killall arts' and then start vmware normally?
[06:13] <stderr> grc3.c: In function 'grc3_convert':
[06:13] <stderr> grc3.c:300: internal compiler error: Segmentation fault
[06:13] <stderr> Please submit a full bug report,
[06:13] <Artimus> davidb___: Disable the sound system in the KDE Control Center.  Then killall artsd
[06:14] <tim> Hey
[06:14] <tim> Anyone here?
[06:15] <stderr> what gcc built the kernel 2.6.15 ?
[06:15] <stderr> 3.4 ?
[06:17] <davidb___> artimus: sceuse the ignorance, but what/where is the KDE Control Center?
[06:17] <tim> Can anyone help me get my mouse working?
[06:17] <Artimus> davidb___: I'm not sure if you have a shortcut, but the fastest way is KMenu -> Run -> kcontrol
[06:18] <stderr> davidb___ alt+f2 and typd kcontrol
[06:18] <davidb___> artimus: ah, bam.  i got the control center at least.
[06:21] <tim> Can anyone help me get my mouse working?
[06:21] <stderr> what kind of mouse ?
[06:21] <tim> USB Intellimouse, the back/forward buttons don't work
[06:22] <tim> I've tried following the instructions in the forums, but I can't manage to get them working
[06:26] <stderr> nice new error    i really hate building software.    http://ubuntu.pastebin.us/39100
[06:27] <Artimus> stderr: Install build-essential
[06:27] <stderr> tim what things ?   the instruvtions or the buttons    that you can't get working ?
[06:27] <stderr> Artimus it is intsalled.  told you that while ago
[06:27] <Artimus> stderr: Didn't see that
[06:27] <tim> The buttons
[06:28] <tim> I've edited my xorg.conf, imwheel, created the other file, and changed the permission
[06:28] <stderr> sorry.  it was about the time of my modem reset  so it may not have made it to freenode.
[06:28] <tim> I had it working under Ubuntu, but I switched to Kubuntu and I can't get it to work now.
[06:29] <stderr> tim   and you know that you have to restart xorg for changes in xorg.conf to take affect ?
[06:29] <tim> Yeah
[06:29] <stderr> ok   you don't have the xorg.conf from the other install ??
[06:29] <Gargantua> hi
[06:29] <Gargantua> does kubuntu come as a livecd?
[06:29] <tim> Unfortunately no
[06:29] <stderr> yep Gargantua it do
[06:29] <Gargantua> D:
[06:29] <tim> That wasn't to you Gargantua, it does come as a live cd
[06:30] <Gargantua> ah
[06:30] <Gargantua> lol
[06:30] <Gargantua> http://mirrors.easynews.com/linux/ubuntu-releases/kubuntu/feisty/
[06:30] <Gargantua> is it there^ ?
[06:30] <tim> Yeah it's the desktop CD
[06:30] <Gargantua> ah
[06:30] <Gargantua> ok
[06:30] <Gargantua> thanks
[06:30] <tim> it boots up as a live cd and you install from there
[06:30] <SpartNux> Hello - I have an issue with Kubuntu - I just did a fresh install and added a bunch of programs with Adept-installer - now after a powered down restart I cannot get adept installer to run - it warns of another instance running and I should shut down that app first. There is now other visible app running - any ideas/ suggestions?
[06:31] <stderr> tim hmm well i don't know what to say.   if you follow the same path you should arrive at the same place.    unless  kcontrol  has some kde specific setting on the mouse.
[06:31] <elpez> Spartnux: look for the process and kill it on ksysguard
[06:31] <tim> Alright, maybe I followed a different thread or something
[06:31] <davidb___> artimus: i get an error stating "artsdsp works only for binaries"
[06:32] <stderr> SpartNux sudo dpkg -a --configure
[06:32] <Artimus> davidb___: Sorry, I've never really tried it.
[06:33] <stderr> does one have to make a link in /lib/modules/   to have the kernel headers setup propperly or somefin ?
[06:33] <davidb___> artimus: aggg!  alrighty, man, i have been hammering my head on this one.  followed a couple dozen threads like this.
[06:34] <Artimus> davidb___: Is arts still running?  ps aux | grep arts
[06:34] <tim> I've got another question.  When I installed I partitioned my HD into a root to install the OS and programs, and another to hold my files.  Right now it's mounted in /Home, is there a way to mount it as just another disk like in Windows?
[06:34] <davidb___> artimus:  thanks for the links + advice though!
[06:34] <davidb___> artimus: just killall'd it.
[06:34] <Artimus> davidb___: You sure I didn't tell you the wrong binary?  I can't remember if it's arts or artsd?
[06:34] <davidb___> artimus: booting the guest OS, so we'll see if it detects my sound adapter.
[06:35] <davidb___> well, i typed in 'artsdsp vmware' like the guy did in the thread.
[06:35] <davidb___> artimus: that's what gave me the error about the binary
[06:35] <Artimus> artsdsp will pipe it through arts.  I suggest using straight up alsa
[06:36] <davidb___> artimus: alsa, what's that?  how would I use that?  i've seen about 6 different drivers/systems for running the sound.  alsa, arts, oss, and a couple others i can't remember off top of head
[06:36] <SpartNux> stderr - "sudo dpkg -a --configure" did the trick - ty
[06:36] <davidb___> artimus: is it a different driver?
[06:37] <N6REJ> does anyone know how to upgrade egroupware1.2 which is include in kubuntu to 1.4?
[06:37] <stderr> SpartNux yw
[06:37] <Artimus> davidb___: Alsa is your main audio drivers.  Arts is a program that runs inbetween your program and alsa.
[06:37] <davidb___> artimus: hope i don't sound too frustrated.  i really do appreciate the advice
[06:37] <stderr> alsa=advanced linux sound arch
[06:38] <stderr> and that's why i'm compiling oss=open source sound
[06:39] <Artimus> stderr: Why would you use OSS anymore?  It's deprecated
[06:39] <stderr> and i really hate compiling things      did i mention that yet ?
[06:39] <Artimus> stderr: *WHY* are you compiling?
[06:39] <stderr> Artimus cause i can't hear alsa
[06:39] <Artimus> stderr: Have you considered fixing that issue?  Rather than incorrectly trying to compile OSS?
[06:39] <stderr> Artimus cause oss 4.0 has no deb
[06:39] <stderr> Artimus how ?
[06:39] <Artimus> stderr: OSS are kernel modules
[06:40] <stderr> yep
[06:40] <Artimus> You would build a custom kernel
[06:40] <Artimus> make menuconfig selects them
[06:40] <davidb___> artimus: i wonder if i need to delete something from within the guest OS (win-blows XP) to get it to recognize the sound....?
[06:40] <Artimus> Why you're trying to compile them is beyond me
[06:40] <Artimus> davidb___: No
[06:40] <stderr> no just the modules.     i've made kernels and did i mention i hate compiling ?
[06:40] <Artimus> stderr: Quit complaining.  Either build a kernel correctly or tell me what's your problem with alsa
[06:42] <davidb___> artimus: one thing, in that thread - it said I had to modify  the /usr/bin/artsdsp file, but my LD_PRELOAD is wrapped around a bunch of if-then-else logic.  i wonder if I have something else causing the wrong LD_PRELOAD line to get run.....
[06:42] <stderr> Either build a kernel correctly or <<<   scuse me.     i shop here all the time.   haven't seen much of you tho
[06:43] <tim> When I installed Kubuntu,I partitioned my HD into a root to install the OS and programs, and another to hold my files.  Right now it's mounted in /Home, is there a way to mount it as just another disk like in Windows?
[06:43] <Artimus> stderr: Alsa is the new standard.  If there's an issue with alsa, it's worth it to resolve it.
[06:44] <bob_> evenin all
[06:45] <tim> Hi bob
[06:45] <flaccid> alsa sux
[06:45] <davidb___> tim: what do you mean?
[06:45] <tim> What's unclear?
[06:45] <davidb___> tim: mount it as another disk?  like, in a differnet locatioN?
[06:46] <tim> In windows I'd have the OS and programs in C:, and my files in D:
[06:46] <davidb___> tim: ok.
[06:46] <davidb___> tim: and, so how is it on your box right now?
[06:46] <tim> In windows I'd have the OS and programs in C:, and my files in D:
[06:47] <bob_> same config here too Tim
[06:47] <bob_> that way when the OS goes south It's a simple reimage and all is well
[06:47] <tim> a  is the OS and programs, and /Home is the files
[06:47] <tim> a  / is the OS and programs, and /Home is the files
[06:47] <tubasoldier> yes, tim. that is how it works
[06:47] <tim> That's not how I want it to work =/
[06:48] <intelikey> Artimus worth it to reslove it ?   yeah that's what i'm trying to do.   resolve the issue  but using something else that "might" work.
[06:48] <davidb___> tim: ok, so you have one partition that you access via '/' and another partition that you access via '/Home'
[06:48] <tim> Yeah
[06:48] <davidb___> tim: and what do you want it to be?
[06:48] <tubasoldier> so you want your files in the root "/" partition as well?
[06:48] <tim> No, I want them in a different disk like windows
[06:48] <Artimus> intelikey: You're trying to install a depricated kernel component with a nonstandard installation procedure on a distribution not known for having an exceptional hacker userbase.
[06:48] <bob_> just mount the other drive
[06:48] <tubasoldier> ok, just assign /dev/hdb as /home
[06:49] <tim> Right it is
[06:49] <tubasoldier> then they are.
[06:49] <tubasoldier> then there are how u want them
[06:49] <tim> I have the two partitions '
[06:49] <intelikey> Artimus correct.   and ?
[06:50] <tim> But instead of "/" and "/Home" being seperate file structures they are in the same tree
[06:50] <tubasoldier> yes. that is how *nix systems work.
[06:50] <tim> Is there a way to make it not work like that?
[06:50] <intelikey> tim all file systems are in the same tree
[06:50] <tubasoldier> yeah. use windows
[06:50] <davidb___> tim: ok, so if I get you correct, you *want* two partitions on the physical disk - partition A, and partition B.
[06:50] <tubasoldier> linux is not windows. there is no reason to make them seperate like that.
[06:51] <Artimus> intelikey: And no one is likely to help you, instead of saying you hate compiling & posting output, you could just make bzImage && make modules && make modules_install and be done.
[06:51] <davidb___> tim: you currently have this - partition A is accessed by / and partition B is access by /Home - correct?
[06:51] <tim> Yeah
[06:51] <tim> tuba- Sure there is.  Data files and Program files should be seperate
[06:51] <tubasoldier> tim. they are.
[06:51] <intelikey> make: *** No rule to make target `bzImage'.  Stop.
[06:51] <intelikey> like that ?
[06:52] <intelikey> :)
[06:52] <davidb___> tim: and you want what, for partition A to be access by the directory 'xxx' (fill in 'xxx' with what you want) and partition B is access by 'yyy' (fill in 'yyy' with the directory you want)
[06:52] <intelikey> if i'm bothering you Artimus,  just overlook me for a few minutes.    i'll be don't soon
[06:52] <tim> You know how partitions are done in Windows?
[06:52] <Artimus> intelikey: What folder are you in?
[06:53] <tim> They show up as seperate disks in explorer
[06:53] <tubasoldier> Tim: it does not matter if they appear to be under the same tree they are not really. If you set them up as one disk or partition for / and one for /home then yoru os and files
[06:53] <tubasoldier> are seperate
[06:53] <tubasoldier> yes tim.
[06:53] <tubasoldier> that is NOT how things work in the linux filesystem
[06:53] <tim> Fair enough
[06:53] <davidb___> tim: what's your confusion.  that's what I"m trying to understand here.  you have two physically separate partitions currently, is this what you want?
[06:53] <bob_> ahh he wants to assign a logical drive letter to his partiton in linux... don't think you can do that Tim...
[06:54] <tubasoldier> everything, including other disks, are all mounted under /
[06:54] <intelikey> Artimus the build dir for the package   but it's built  (did i mention i hate building things?)  and installed   and i'm playing with the settings.   @ Artimus
[06:54] <Artimus> intelikey: bzImage works a bit better in /usrc/src/KERNELVERSION :P
[06:54] <davidb___> tubasoldier: what about the drive I have mounted under /opt?
[06:55] <intelikey> Artimus but i don't have the source installed  and i'm not downloading it today.
[06:55] <davidb___> tim: don't think you got your question answered.  sounds like you are Ok w/ your current setup, I think.  not sure though - never heard back
[06:56] <Artimus> intelikey: Oh...  I'm not familiar with the kernel source, but it might be trying to find files outside of its folder in the kernel source...
[06:56] <tim> It's just a slight annoyance because they are seperate partitions
[06:56] <sparr> will i encounter any problems installing without a keyboard?
[06:56] <intelikey> like i said i don't have the kernel source installed
[06:58] <tim> sparr- you have to input a login/pw among other things
[06:58] <tim> pretty sure you need a keyboard for that
[06:58] <x86__> HI. I need to delete some DLL's of my windows installation. But it shows that im not authorizated to do it .
[06:58] <x86__> located  @ "/media/hda1/WINDOWS/system32"
[06:58] <Pali> i have problem with my webcam. I cant find driver. lsusb: "ID 0c45:612a Microdia" This webcam has chip "Sonix sn9c325AFG" I try drivers gspca, sn9c1xx but this drivers not function. Which driver have I use?
[06:59] <davidb___> gnight all
[07:00] <bob_> nite David
[07:00] <bob_> I'm off to bed as well... GL all in workin out the bugs
[07:01] <intelikey> hmmmm   well now what.
[07:01] <intelikey> oss works just exactly like alsa did
[07:01] <intelikey> i still can't hear it unless i put my ear upon the speaker
[07:02] <x86__> also i cant delete some files located @ my others partitions
[07:02] <Artimus> intelikey: Do you have both Master *AND* PCM turned up?
[07:02] <intelikey> Artimus yeah i'm not a beginner.
[07:02] <intelikey> infact everything is at 100%
[07:02] <intelikey> and not muted.
[07:03] <jhutchins> intelikey: Check the connections.  Check the balance, try moving it off center.
[07:03] <Artimus> intelikey: Do you have a separate headphone jack?  Try plugging into that, that's amplified.
[07:03] <jhutchins> There is at least one configuration out there where the sound cancells if the ballance is centerd.
[07:04] <intelikey> Artimus no.
[07:04] <Artimus> intelikey: Strange soundcard?
[07:05] <intelikey> Artimus maybe.  onboard sis trident    uses ac97-codec
[07:05] <Pali> i have problem with my webcam. I cant find driver. lsusb: "ID 0c45:612a Microdia" This webcam has chip "Sonix sn9c325AFG" I try drivers gspca, sn9c1xx but this drivers not function. Which driver have I use?
[07:05] <Artimus> intelikey: Check out the alsa soundcard matrix.  It might have some information
[07:07] <intelikey> Artimus i spent 2 or 3 hours in #alsa   final answer   try  oss    tried it now.    it really looks like this may be a hardware issue.
[07:07] <Artimus> intelikey: Are you sure the speakers are good?
[07:07] <intelikey> yes i'm sure of the speakers
[07:09] <intelikey> i guess i could build a pre-amp   i have the parts on hand.
[07:09] <Noldoaran> is there a way to find out what kind of motherboard I have?
[07:09] <flaccid> intelikey: does it work with other OS / live cd ?
[07:09] <flaccid> Noldoaran: sudo apt-get install lshw | sudo lshw
[07:09] <intelikey> just wish there was an isa slot on this board
[07:10] <Artimus> intelikey: I've got a Soundblaster 32AWE.  It's a beautiful card...
[07:10] <flaccid> coz if you havnt proven it works with another OS boot, then it could be the jack/connector or yeah any hardware down the line to the speakers
[07:10] <Noldoaran> thanks flaccid
[07:10] <flaccid> np
[07:11] <intelikey> flaccid don't really have anything handy to test it with in that reguard.      ummm i guess i could take an ide drive out of another box that has win95  but it might take legislation to make that card work in win95  and just for a test...
[07:11] <flaccid> 1/8inch trs jacks are infamous for being 'patchy' ie. you can't get both sides going
[07:11] <x86__> ntfs-config
[07:11] <flaccid> how about a live cd of some sort
[07:11] <intelikey> Artimus i've got two or three good sound cards.  with real hardware midi support   but they are isa.
[07:11] <Artimus> yeah, that's what my AWE is
[07:12] <intelikey> flaccid i have the livecd of the os i'm running   lol
[07:12] <flaccid> i would be trying with a gentoo live cd
[07:12] <intelikey> this box has three pci slots   and that's it.
[07:12] <intelikey> flaccid you would have dsl or cable   i'm on dialup
[07:13] <intelikey> care to kick that off the cliff and see where it lands   :)
[07:14] <Artimus> intelikey: Might be worth looking into a cheap PCI soundcard.
[07:14] <intelikey> i'll pay one price for it.   $0.00
[07:14] <intelikey> :)
[07:14] <intelikey> that's what i've got in this box so far
[07:17] <Noldoaran> I don't know much about hardware.. Can i get an nVidia card for my PC, when I already have a intel graphics chipset?
[07:17] <x86__> gksu
[07:17] <intelikey> Noldoaran should be able to  yes
[07:17] <intelikey> x86__ kdesu
[07:18] <Noldoaran> will the intel chipset just be disabled? or do they both function?
[07:18] <intelikey> gksudo is gah no me
[07:18] <sparr> i used fdisk to make partition table changes and write them.  then i rebooted.  now fdisk sees the new table, but the ubuntu installer still sees the old one.  whats up with that?
[07:18] <intelikey> Noldoaran can be either way.  depends on how you set it up    in most cases
[07:19] <Noldoaran> oh..
[07:19] <flaccid> intelikey: any friends to help in person with cd or net to d/l?
[07:19] <intelikey> some have to have "dual head"  some care not for more than one monitor
[07:20] <intelikey> flaccid not close
[07:20] <x86__> whats the equivalent for "gedit" for Kubunru?
[07:21] <Noldoaran> kate
[07:21] <intelikey> flaccid you know where the middle of nowhere is ?    well i'm down that trail another 42 miles
[07:21] <intelikey> x86__ well the == would kedit   but you probably want kate
[07:22] <dwidmann_> kate > gedit
[07:22] <Noldoaran> hm.. i don't have kedit, I have kwrite though
[07:22] <ardchoille> kate rocks!
[07:23] <Noldoaran> i agree
[07:23] <x86__> Thanks.
[07:23] <intelikey> Noldoaran yeah i don't think kedit is standard with kubuntu   i think installing   kde  will install kedit though  iirc
[07:24] <sauvin> kate is the cream filling in my boston creme pastries!
[07:24] <Noldoaran> hmm
[07:24] <elpez> what makes kate so great?
[07:25] <intelikey> i've actually used kate about three or four times   it's ok.  just slow is all.
[07:25] <Pali> i have problem with my webcam. I cant find driver. lsusb: "ID 0c45:612a Microdia" This webcam has chip "Sonix sn9c325AFG" I try drivers gspca, sn9c1xx but this drivers not function. Which driver have I use?
[07:25] <dwidmann_> the glistening little sprinkles of awesomeness dispersed throughout it.
[07:27] <dwidmann_> session management? konsole kpart? insane customizability? split view? The reasons go on and on. ....
[07:27] <intelikey> Pali i don't know.    there doesn't seem to be any other choice in the kernel
[07:28] <intelikey> dwidmann_ konsole kpart? ???
[07:28] <dwidmann_> it's there, usable, and handy.
[07:29] <Pali> intelikey: where I find informations?
[07:29] <dwidmann_> pull up kate and look along the bottom. You'll see it.
[07:29] <intelikey> dwidmann_ i'll pass.  i'd have to install xorg and kde
[07:29] <dwidmann_> intelikey: that's where live cds come in handy
[07:30] <intelikey> well that would take a reboot and i've done that today.
[07:30] <dwidmann_> indeed, it does involve resetting your uptime
[07:31] <tim> Is there a restricted drivers manage in Kubuntu?
[07:33] <intelikey> Pali normally i get 30 to 2000 thousand matches for a single word/string on google    "   Your search - sn9c325AFG - did not match any documents. "
[07:34] <intelikey> tim the one in ubuntu.   check the repos
[07:35] <tim> I found the restricted package, is it in there?
[07:35] <intelikey> basicly ubuntu is ubuntu is ubuntu   if it's in  any *buntu it's in all of them   the only thing that changes are the packages installed by default and the system configurations files may be somewhat tweeked to reflect the default packaging
[07:36] <intelikey> i don't know what the package is called   maybe someone else does
[07:37] <genefitz> I thought the restricted driver management was built into all ubuntu distros.
[07:37] <genefitz> After you have installed the restricted driver, it should let you know, and bring up the restricted driver management,
[07:38] <genefitz> But then again, I use ubuntu for Gnome and Freespire for KDE
[07:41] <firegodz> does anybody know how to use software like vnc on ubuntu ?
[07:43] <dwidmann_> firegodz: I've found krdc and krfb to be pretty easy to use
[07:44] <tim> Ok, I installed the restricted drive manager but I can't find it =/
[07:44] <intelikey> dwidmann_ i've never messed with those do you have to have kde on both boxes ?
[07:45] <dwidmann_> intelikey: Umm, on at least one of the boxes, you can probably use a different vnc client instead.
[07:46] <dwidmann_> one of those is the client and the other the server, uses vnc
[07:46] <intelikey> tim konsole enter the package name hit the tab key and see if the executable shows up...     or  kdpk -l <package name> | grep bin/
[07:47] <firegodz> i am using ubuntu on one box and want to connect to a windows box
[07:47] <elpez> i have used vnc on a windows as a server being accessed by multiple kde machines using krdc.
[07:47] <elpez> Very easily
[07:47] <firegodz> going to try it now thx guys
[07:48] <intelikey> read the docs on it.    use  find /usr/ -iname *part_of_the_name*                or slocate   or....
[07:48] <tim> ok I got it thanks
[07:48] <intelikey> :)
[07:48] <elpez> night ppl
[07:48] <jmusic_man> hey all
[07:48] <dwidmann_> night elpez
[07:49] <jmusic_man> I haven't IRC'd in like, 20 years... lol
[07:49] <jmusic_man> er... 10
[07:49] <jmusic_man> typo =/
[07:49] <intelikey> well 20 would have been steaching it pretty tight  :)
[07:49] <jmusic_man> hehe
[07:49] <jmusic_man> I would have been 2
[07:49] <jmusic_man> ;P
[07:50] <intelikey> so would the internet
[07:50] <File13> anyone have any experience with rt73 chipset USB cards on kubuntu
[07:50] <intelikey> :)
[07:50] <dwidmann_> lol
[07:50] <jmusic_man> thought I'd give Kubuntu a try, so I'm running a pcbox next to my iMac here
[07:50] <jmusic_man> enjoying it so far
[07:51] <jmusic_man> wish I was more familiar w/ the shell commands though
[07:51] <dwidmann_> takes time and  practice, worth it though.
[07:51] <jmusic_man> really seems so
[07:51] <intelikey> !cli
[07:51] <intelikey> bot is still awol
[07:51] <c0mp13371331337> jmusic - man pages are your friend!
[07:51] <jmusic_man> neat to see how supportive/helpful the linux community is though
[07:52] <top18> hi
[07:52] <intelikey> the tab key is your ...
[07:52] <dwidmann_> I still think it was malnourishment, just haven't been feeding ubotu enough bot snacks as of late :(
[07:52] <flaccid> !flaccidsnack
[07:52] <dwidmann_> crutch? poison?
[07:52] <jmusic_man> not sure what you mean c0mp =(
[07:52] <firegodz> FireGodz is away
[07:52] <intelikey> jmusic_man    man man
[07:53] <intelikey> in a terminal
[07:53] <dwidmann_> man woman?
[07:53] <intelikey> sorry no man page for woman
[07:53] <top18> do somebody speak german
[07:53] <top18> ?
[07:54] <jmusic_man> nein
[07:54] <intelikey> top18 in #kubuntu-de
[07:54] <top18> thx
[07:54] <intelikey> top18 or in #ubuntu-de    both
[07:54] <c0mp13371331337> Most commands have man(ual) pages that you can open in a terminal by typing 'man (command)'.  For example, to see the different options and usage for 'cp' (copy and paste command) type 'man cp'.  When you're done reading, hit 'q'.
[07:54] <jmusic_man> oh wow
[07:55] <jmusic_man> great tip
[07:55] <Daisuke_Laptop> jmusic_man: i would definitely recommend you check some other linux "communities" before doing a blanket judgement based on us :P
[07:55] <jmusic_man> haha, and noted Daisuke
[07:55] <Daisuke_Laptop> some distros' 'support' consists of RTFM and abuse to new users
[07:55] <intelikey> jmusic_man /join #debian   and ask something stupid
[07:55] <intelikey> :)
[07:55] <Daisuke_Laptop> and this is why i chose *ubuntu
[07:56] <c0mp13371331337> Heh heh heh.... Do you speak from experience, intelikey?
[07:56] <jmusic_man> heh, I'm afraid to even try that intel ;P
[07:56] <c0mp13371331337> ;-)
[07:56] <intelikey> :)
[07:57] <Daisuke_Laptop> (ubuntu on my laptop, kubuntu on the desktop, and my girlfriend's running xp on her laptop [but i still love her anyway] )
[07:57] <intelikey> they wont chew you out.   they'll just chew out around you and let you fall out....
[07:57] <jmusic_man> ouch
[07:58] <dwidmann_> man -k [insert search term here] , search through man pages :)
[07:58] <Daisuke_Laptop> if it's like communities i've seen, they will do everything they can to make you feel like they're gods and you don't know anything.
[07:58] <Daisuke_Laptop> belittling is a favourite trick
[07:58] <jmusic_man> heh, alot of good resources available if you know the shell commands
[07:59] <intelikey> true dat
[07:59] <jmusic_man> and I notice that you spelled favourite with a 'u' Daisuke - Canadian?
[07:59] <intelikey> jmusic_man did you run     man man     ?
[07:59] <Daisuke_Laptop> jmusic_man: no, american, i just prefer using proper spelling :)
[07:59] <intelikey> you really should.    learn about searching inside the man pages and such.
[08:00] <jmusic_man> hehe, Canadian here, so I took notice - and yes Intel - just ran that command
[08:00] <Daisuke_Laptop> touch;unzip;grep;mount...  i'm not going any further than that
[08:00] <intelikey> jmusic_man there is also    info info     :)
[08:01] <jmusic_man> merciful zeus
[08:01] <dwidmann_> and if you don't like the look of the shell, you can use konqueror, pull it up and in the address bar put in 'man:/someprogramname' (ie: man:/man) and you can look at those that way too
[08:01] <jmusic_man> haha
[08:01] <intelikey> although i'm a man's man   some people do much prefer info pages
[08:01] <flaccid> also apt:/search in konqi
[08:01] <jmusic_man> the shell brings me back to the days where I used to MOO on the Freenet
[08:02] <jmusic_man> but that's as hardcore as I got - rofl
[08:02] <flaccid> m0000
[08:02] <jmusic_man> wow
[08:02] <jmusic_man> I didn't know konqueror was so versatile
[08:02] <intelikey> m8
[08:02] <jmusic_man> thought it was more like WIndows Explorer
[08:02] <intelikey> ):
[08:02] <flaccid> lol. konq is khtml. it kills trident..
[08:02] <petitout> hi, sorry I<m kindda new at this so my question might seem lame but still, i<m having trouble uninstalling a previous version of flex under MCE and was wondering if someone could help
[08:03] <Daisuke_Laptop> jmusic_man: konqueror exemplifies an old saying: "Jack of all trades, master of none."
[08:03] <jmusic_man> noted, Daisuke ;P
[08:03] <intelikey> mce ?
[08:03] <petitout> linux MCE under Kubuntu
[08:03] <Daisuke_Laptop> that said, i do prefer it to nautilus or dolphin for now
[08:04] <petitout> or over if you prefer
[08:04] <jmusic_man> is it then my understanding that every Linux App can run in Command Line mode as well as with a GUI?
[08:04] <dwidmann_> Daisuke_Laptop: but isn't it the master of kparts?
[08:04] <dwidmann_> jmusic_man: not all, just some
[08:04] <jmusic_man> I see
[08:04] <jmusic_man> still neat that konqueror can do the man thing
[08:05] <jmusic_man> ;p
[08:05] <NickPresta> Daisuke_Ido, Konqy is a pretty capable web browser. It's about as "masterful" as others out there...
[08:05] <Daisuke_Laptop> and that view may come from the fact that a lot of linux gui apps are merely front-ends to cli apps
[08:05] <intelikey> jmusic_man well    maybe all.      depends on how you define " in Command Line mode "
[08:05] <dwidmann_> it can also do thing such as locate, transparently access tar or zip archives, search apt, and many other things.
[08:06] <jmusic_man> what would you say is the best way of listing running processes? I found out about the 'top' program earlier
[08:06] <intelikey> pstree
[08:06] <jmusic_man> (hehe - multiple questions out of the blue, I know)
[08:06] <jmusic_man> lemme try that one intel
[08:06] <intelikey> but most wont agree with me
[08:06] <dwidmann_> jmusic_man: if you press ctrl + escape it will bring up kde system guard (the performance monitor)
[08:07] <dwidmann_> or how about htop?
[08:07] <intelikey> i don't like top cause i can't see them all
[08:07] <NickPresta> gah. I wanted to install tomboy but 32 new apps and 54MB of additional downloads doesn't seem too friendly
[08:08] <Daisuke_Laptop> !tomboy
[08:08] <Daisuke_Laptop> oh
[08:08] <intelikey> ubotu is "awol"
[08:08] <Daisuke_Laptop> that's right, the bot's emaciated and on strike
[08:09] <NickPresta> I'm happy with Basket, I suppose. I just wanted to try Tomboy...
[08:09] <dwidmann_> intelikey: I hadn't heard of pstree before, it's pretty nice, thanks for point it out
[08:09] <intelikey> i'm a little tic'd  it was in #ubuntu some hours ago while #kubuntu still didn't have it...   but last i checked it wasn't in #ubntu anymore either.
[08:09] <Daisuke_Laptop> desktop note-taking program using wiki style links
[08:09] <Daisuke_Laptop> i assume that means http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Search?go=Go&search=link
[08:09] <Daisuke_Laptop> bleh!
[08:10] <intelikey> dwidmann_ it does have some really nice switchs too
[08:10] <petitout> is there a newbie channel somewhere where i could get some more basic help?
[08:10] <se7en^Of^9> does someone know of a good Scrabble game on linux
[08:10] <NickPresta> Daisuke_Ido, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tomboy_%28software%29
[08:10] <Daisuke_Laptop> i can't even do that because konversation converts that to a wikipedia link :\
[08:10] <dwidmann_> intelikey: first one I dived for was -p, of course
[08:10] <NickPresta> petitout, what do you need help with? We don't mind helping newbies.
[08:10] <intelikey> petitout can you be more specific abount what you want ?
[08:11] <intelikey> dwidmann_ of course :)
[08:11] <petitout> k Ill try
[08:11] <Daisuke_Laptop> i was trying to show the (double left square bracket)link(double right square bracket) wiki-style link
[08:11] <Daisuke_Laptop> but konversation understands and messes that up
[08:12] <petitout> I installed flex-2.5.31 when i should have installed flex-2.5.33 now i can<t seem to be able to uninstall the previous version
[08:12] <petitout> i did it all in console mode
[08:13] <intelikey> petitout apt-get remove ?
[08:13] <intelikey> petitout dpkg -P ?
[08:13] <NickPresta> !away | sepeck
[08:13] <intelikey> petitout or is it rpm based ???    rpm -e ?
[08:13] <NickPresta> lack of ubot makes me sad =(
[08:13] <File13> perhaps i prefer ubuntu over kubuntu
[08:14] <petitout> i did everything from KOnsole
[08:14] <Daisuke_Laptop> File13: purely a matter of preference
[08:14] <intelikey> petitout do you know any command you issued ?
[08:14] <intelikey> even part of it ?
[08:14] <Daisuke_Laptop> File13: i use both, depending on the machine
[08:14] <petitout> configure
[08:14] <File13> i dled the nvid driver and it seems to have messed things up
[08:14] <petitout> make
[08:14] <intelikey> petitout ah   source
[08:14] <File13> i never had this problem on ubuntu
[08:14] <intelikey> ok
[08:15] <petitout> sudo make install
[08:15] <intelikey> petitout in the build dir you need to do      make uninstall
[08:15] <intelikey> sudo   that of course
[08:15] <petitout> that<s my problem cant find the build dir
[08:16] <petitout> does it install automatically somewhere?
[08:16] <intelikey> then you may have to get the origenal source code and build it again to remove it...
[08:16] <intelikey> did i mention that i hate compiling source...
[08:16] <File13> what do i push to relaunch X in kubuntu
[08:16] <dwidmann_> intelikey: you're not alone in that
[08:17] <petitout> sorry i<m so new it"s depressing
[08:17] <dwidmann_> File13: I'd type "startx" and press enter
[08:17] <intelikey> File13 is it running ?
[08:17] <File13> yeah but i just installed a different nvid driver
[08:17] <File13> should i just restart instead
[08:17] <intelikey> File13 if it's running    crtl+alt+backspace
[08:18] <petitout> thx intelikey
[08:19] <se7en^Of^9> does someone know of a good Scrabble game on linux
[08:20] <petitout> ok so now i<m getting a permission denied
[08:20] <petitout> on the make uninstall from build dir
[08:20] <intelikey> petitout welcome.   and from now on   you should try to remember to finish your builds with    "make clean ;Q=$(basename `pwd`) ;cd .. ;tar -czf blahuninstaller.tgz $Q"
[08:22] <petitout> and that does what exactly?
[08:22] <intelikey> let me translate that from geek to intelikeish for you.   make clean removes the .h or .o files you made and the Q variable is set the the name of the dir you are in so you can use that info in the command to make an archive file of the source you just built    and name it blahuninstaller.tgz
[08:24] <intelikey> then you save blahuninstaller.tgz somewhere you can find it if you ever need to uninstall blah      (translate blah to flex in this case)
[08:24] <josiah> !nvidia
[08:24] <josiah> hmm... how do you pull up nvidia installation instructions link?
[08:24] <intelikey> petitout in short.  "save the source you build"
[08:24] <petitout> k thx kindda leaving markers or breadcrumbs
[08:25] <dwidmann_> intelikey: about what I was saying about kate earlier, this is what I meant: http://images.xnowherex.net/random/kate.png
[08:25] <intelikey> josiah the bot is 'awol'
[08:25] <stdin> josiah: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto/Nvidia
[08:26] <petitout> inelikey thx very much i<ll do that
[08:26] <josiah> ok thanks guys
[08:26] <NickPresta> is ubot still upset at #kubuntu?
[08:27] <dwidmann_> NickPresta: it would seem us kubuntu folk haven't been feeding him enough botsnacks :(
[08:27] <NickPresta> =D
[08:27] <jmusic_man> well, I'm off for the night (or morning... it is 2am)
[08:28] <jmusic_man> thanks for the info
[08:28] <dwidmann_> night jmusic_man
[08:28] <jmusic_man> I'll be back - even just reading conversation is helpful
[08:31] <intelikey> dwidmann_ ok.     and you need a terminal inside of an editor for ???
[08:32] <intelikey> sorry i'm just trying to see how that is useful
[08:32] <dwidmann_> intelikey: comes in handy when I need to build or test things. Asides from that I find other uses for it. What's really sad is when I have vim open inside of it ... That's always fun.
[08:34] <dwidmann_> handy little trick that it and konqueror both have is that as you (keeping this in the kate context for now) switch to a different file, it cds to the other files directory, so that too can come in handy too, that way I'm not manually cding all over the place
[08:35] <intelikey> dwidmann_ yeah. and you can desync them if you like.
[08:35] <intelikey> depends on the use.
[08:36] <neusonce> sup guys, can anybvody remind of the name of the program  that  dose a proper format on youre computer at startup ?
[08:37] <josiah> ok this guide is telling me to goto: System  Administration  Restricted Devices Manager. There isnt a Administration to goto :). What do I do?
[08:37] <intelikey> i don't know to my mentality (am i mental?)   that's still reinventing the wheel.  i have as many consols as i need...
[08:37] <intelikey> @ dwidmann_
[08:37] <dwidmann_> josiah: it seems to be referring to ghome
[08:37] <dwidmann_> *gnome
[08:38] <josiah> dwidmann_: so what would the equivalent be fore kde?
[08:38] <dwidmann_> I don't think there is one, but you could track down and install the package, I'm not sure which one it is.
[08:38] <josiah> ok ty
[08:38] <intelikey> neusonce could you define "proper format" please
[08:39] <NickPresta> !hi | ubotu
[08:39] <dwidmann_> intelikey: true enough, but it is sometimes handy to have it right there without having to switch back and forth between windows IMO. That and that it's always (well, usually) in the right directory. I like it anyway
[08:39] <ubotu> ubotu: Hi! Welcome to #kubuntu!
[08:40] <NickPresta> yay
[08:40] <dwidmann_> :O
[08:40] <dwidmann_> The bot's back!
[08:40] <NickPresta>  /feedsnack
[08:40] <dwidmann_> !botsnack
[08:40] <ubotu> Yum! Err, I mean, APT!
[08:40] <intelikey> dwidmann_ k  fair enough.   oprative word   You like it    so that's enough :)
[08:41] <flaccid> wb ubotu
[08:41] <intelikey> popcorn anyone  ?
[08:42] <dwidmann_> Sure, why not
[08:42] <josiah> !nvidia
[08:42] <dwidmann_> josiah: it looks like the package is called "restricted-manager"
[08:43] <Tabmows> when i change my desktop resolution in kde it always defaults back to 1024x768 when i log back in.. how can i save this?
[08:43] <intelikey> oh that's a script you might find interesting.
[08:44] <josiah> well https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto/Nvidia isnt working... any other ideas?
[08:44] <dwidmann_> intelikey: I hope so, what does it do?
[08:44] <stdin> josiah: not working? what part is not working?
[08:44] <josiah> it tells me to goto system -> administration and there isnt an administration :)
[08:45] <stdin> josiah: read it, it says what to do for kubuntu
[08:45] <intelikey> dwidmann_ the name says it all
[08:45] <josiah> i know.. then it says the same thing
[08:45] <intelikey> you can pipe into it   or it will read a file and pastebin it
[08:45] <intelikey> requires curl
[08:45] <intelikey> !info curl
[08:46] <stdin> no bot
[08:46] <intelikey> poor bot
[08:46] <intelikey> she was here a minute ago
[08:46] <intelikey> he
[08:46] <intelikey> it
[08:46] <dwidmann_> okay, I've got curl installed
[08:46] <intelikey> ???
[08:46] <neusonce>  well when i reinstall  everything in kununtus fine for a while then the bugs  just  hinder me at every corner   suddenly   im unable to  download any of the repositories  even thought there is no valid reason why  java   chouse when to works and wine has dissapaered from my menus all thogether  even thought wine programs still work   so i want to wipe every thing from my hdd  so its clean  like new and then install kubuntu
[08:47] <dwidmann_> You were right, we practically chased ubotu out :( poor ubotu
[08:48] <neusonce> grrrrrrrrr
[08:49] <neusonce> typing to fast
[08:50] <dwidmann_> intelikey: thanks for the script, seems to work fine when piping, didn't seem to like reading from a file though ..... so "cat file | ./pastebin" it is eh?
[08:51] <intelikey> ./pastebin filename    works for me...
[08:51] <dwidmann_> it seems it worked for me too, however, the command didn't die & give me the url afterwards, but I see it in the pastebin. Odd.
[08:52] <intelikey> yeah....    hmmm
[08:54] <dwidmann_> Unless I ctrl+c'd it too soon, but I don't think I did.
[08:54] <petitout> intelikey in that command line you gave me earlier what does basename'pwd' do or stand for?
[08:55] <BetaTester> Hi all. Can somebody tell why this is not working for me: "oowriter -pt PrinterName FileName" I get an error
[08:56] <BetaTester> According to the manual and google this should be working if you dont have ati drivers installed :(
[08:56] <flaccid> what is the error
[08:57] <BetaTester> flaccid WARNING **: Unknown error forking main binary / abnormal early exit ...
[08:57] <BetaTester> I read on google and it says some ati related problmes. However oowriter myfile opens correctly
[08:57] <BetaTester> the problem is in -pt printername :(
[08:57] <flaccid> !find oowriter
[08:58] <flaccid> where is oowriter from
[08:58] <BetaTester> ooffice
[08:58] <BetaTester> it should be same as ooffice -writer -pt printer file
[08:58] <neusonce>  can anybody tell me the advanatges  suse has over kubuntu
[08:58] <flaccid> i think you might need to ask them
[08:59] <flaccid> BetaTester: you read all these yet? http://www.google.com/search?client=opera&rls=en&q=oowriter+WARNING+**:+Unknown+error+forking+main+binary+/+abnormal+early+exit&sourceid=opera&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8
[09:00] <kraut> moin
[09:00] <intelikey> petitout not basename'pwd'    Q="$(basename `pwd`)"     if you run that in a konsole and then run   echo $Q    it will tell the name of the dir you are in.  it sets the variable Q to that name so the command that follows can use it.
[09:00] <BetaTester> I will check it flaccid
[09:01] <flaccid> isn't pwd suffice?
[09:01] <intelikey> petitout i pulled Q out of my hat  could be anything   zippit_do_dah="$(basename `pwd`)"       but what ever var you set that way holds the last word of the pwd==present working dirrectory.
[09:02] <flaccid> mydir=`pwd`
[09:03] <intelikey> flaccid no.  don't want the path  just the dir name
[09:03] <stdin> intelikey: Q=$(basename $PWD)
[09:03] <flaccid> ah sorry
[09:03] <petitout> cause it didn't work with the ''
[09:03] <intelikey> stdin assumes PWD is set.   shell might not hage it set
[09:03] <intelikey> have
[09:03] <stdin> intelikey: bash will, and yes, I'm assuming he'll be using bash
[09:04] <intelikey> petitout no  '' not equal ``
[09:04] <intelikey> stdin yes i know.   :)
[09:04] <flaccid> basename `pwd`
[09:04] <intelikey> yep
[09:05] <petitout> what i meant is i wrote the exact command line and followed the results and the make clean worked fine but i had an error after that
[09:05] <intelikey> petitout do you still have the entire line i posted so these guys know what it was about ?
[09:05] <flaccid> mypath=$(basename `pwd`)
[09:05] <petitout> yup
[09:05] <petitout>  petitout welcome.   and from now on   you should try to remember to finish your builds with    "make clean ;Q=$(basename `pwd`) ;cd .. ;tar -czf blahuninstaller.tgz $Q"
[09:05] <intelikey> petitout and i could have "typo'd"   i think i still hold the title on that...
[09:06] <petitout>  make clean removes the .h or .o files you made and the Q variable is set the the name of the dir you are in so you can use that info in the command to make an archive file of the source you just built    and name it blahuninstaller.tgz then you save blahuninstaller.tgz somewhere you can find it if you ever need to uninstall blah      (translate blah to flex in this case)
[09:06] <intelikey>  the the == to the   one typo
[09:07] <fkm> As far as my mouse is concerned. Is there any differencs between XFree86 and Xorg? I found a nice tutorial on how to set up the thumbbuttons of my Logitech MX500 (http://www.glaurung.demon.co.uk/info/linux.mx500.howto.html). But it's for XFree86 and I don't want to mess up my system.
[09:07] <flaccid> yes there are big differences fkm. ubuntu uses xorg
[09:08] <flaccid> fkm: i think the stanzas in that doc will work with xorg
[09:09] <intelikey> petitout ok i was just a little sloppy there.  i should have quoted the dirname   other than that it works exactly as posted.
[09:09] <fkm> flaccid: Ok, thank you. I'll give it a try then :)
[09:09] <flaccid> fkm: yeah try that Input section in xorg.conf
[09:09] <intelikey> should have said>>>   make clean ;Q="$(basename `pwd`)" ;cd .. ;tar -czf blahuninstaller.tgz "$Q"
[09:10] <intelikey> incase of spaces in the name...
[09:10] <martijn_nerd> hey guys
[09:11] <petitout> okay i'll try that and follow the script see where itleads me
[09:11] <intelikey> petitout at any rate you can run the command to archive the dir at any time (until you delete it...)    that's the thing i was telling you to do...
[09:11] <martijn_nerd> think i found a bug in kubuntu, can one of you check (or enlighten me) maybe, before i go thru the bugreporting process.
[09:11] <petitout> yah i'm just not very good with command lines yet
[09:12] <martijn_nerd> the kde-cache dirs of my users are growing without limit in the /var/tmp dir
[09:12] <petitout> getting there
[09:12] <martijn_nerd> this is due to the http cache in there
[09:12] <flaccid> im off
[09:12] <intelikey>  make clean ;Q="$(basename `pwd`)" ;cd .. ;tar -czf $Q_uninstaller.tgz "$Q"
[09:13] <intelikey> better name for the archive   ^
[09:13] <petitout> thank you once again
[09:13] <intelikey> petitout you do know that   that has to be ran in the   build dir.
[09:13] <petitout> yup
[09:13] <intelikey> k
[09:14] <intelikey> did i mention i hate to compile things ???
[09:14] <petitout> but my variable will give me taht path right?
[09:14] <petitout> that
[09:15] <intelikey> the var will be set to the name of the dir you are in when you run that string.
[09:15] <stdin> intelikey: shouldn't $Q_uninstaller.tgz be ${Q}_uninstaller.tgz ?
[09:17] <intelikey> if you ran that in a dir in your home called  testing_his_stupid_command   then it should make an archive of the testing_his_stupid_command dir will be added to    testing_his_stupid_command_uninstall.tgz   in your home dir
[09:17] <intelikey> and no.   don't change leave the "$Q"  of the end.   it wont work.
[09:17] <intelikey> change or leave
[09:18] <intelikey> typo king at it again.   now you got me flustered.
[09:18] <stdin> intelikey: ie: "Q=$(basename `pwd`); echo $Q_somename.tgz" = ".tgz"
[09:18] <petitout> i<m trying all that right away
[09:19] <intelikey> stdin yep _ to -  fix
[09:19] <intelikey> see
[09:19] <intelikey> takes all of us
[09:19] <intelikey> see
[09:19] <intelikey>  make clean ;Q="$(basename `pwd`)" ;cd .. ;tar -czf $Q-uninstaller.tgz "$Q"
[09:19] <intelikey> there   fixed
[09:20] <intelikey> duh.
[09:20] <intelikey> i'll leave now before i break something
[09:20] <Tabmows> when i change my desktop resolution in kde it always defaults back to 1024x768 when i log back in.. how can i save this?
[09:20] <petitout> htanks for all the fish
[09:23] <intelikey> what stdin pointed out,   is that the underscore can be used in variables thus $Q_uninstaller != $Q <plus> _uninstall    but    $Q-uninstaller == $Q <plus> -uninstaller    for anyone that missed it.
[09:28] <yeniklasorr> stdin : they said "Thank you for contacting support. You may install it using a --prefix to a subdirectory in your root folder."
[09:29] <yeniklasorr> I compiled and make "wget", but how to install :(
[09:30] <stdin> yeniklasorr: did it have a configure script
[09:30] <yeniklasorr> it have
[09:30] <yeniklasorr> it has :D
[09:31] <stdin> what options did you give it? did you put the --prefix in?
[09:34] <intelikey> stdin no pun intended in this   but if one reads stdin (no plumbing) how do you "end the input" stop stdin ?
[09:34] <yeniklasorr> stdin : I didn't I don't know what is prefix
[09:34] <stdin> intelikey: normally the stream ends with a EndOfFile character
[09:35] <jcdg> hi,
[09:35] <jcdg> somebody speaks spanish??
[09:35] <stdin> yeniklasorr: you need to choose it, a subdirectory, so do ./configure --prefix=/home/me/directory
[09:35] <intelikey> not stream.  stdin
[09:36] <stdin> jcdg: Si busca ayuda en Espaol por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendr mas ayuda.
[09:36] <intelikey>  while read Q
[09:36] <intelikey>     do echo "$Q"
[09:36] <intelikey>  done
[09:36] <jcdg> como hago eso??
[09:36] <yeniklasorr> stdin : then "make --prefix=/home/me/directory" and "make install --prefix=/home/me/directory" ?
[09:36] <jcdg> disculpen mmi ignorancia
[09:36] <stdin> jcdg: Si busca ayuda en Espaol por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendr mas ayuda.
[09:36] <intelikey> i could use what a break command ot drop out of that loop if EOF is read
[09:37] <stdin> yeniklasorr: no, only needed for ./configure
[09:37] <yeniklasorr> ok trying
[09:37] <intelikey> jcdg no hablas espanol     /join #kubuntu-es
[09:38] <intelikey> jcdg or  /join #ubuntu-es      no ?
[09:38] <stdin> intelikey: the application (bash or sh) reads the input stream, be it a file or whatever, then when the stream ends and EOF character is sent
[09:39] <stdin> intelikey: stdin/out/err are all IO streams
[09:40] <intelikey> while read Q ; do echo "$Q" ;done      <<<< drop that in a shell and tell me where the end of the stream is ?
[09:41] <stdin> intelikey: in the shell Ctrl-D is EOF
[09:41] <malqos> i have problem with my knetworkmanager - when i click  on the icon nothing happend:(i reinstal it,remove and instal one more time and still the same, what else can i do?
[09:42] <stdin> malqos: right-click it?
[09:42] <intelikey> ^c will kill it in a shell  but the same thing in a script and ^c  nor ^d affect it   it just keeps on reading and reading,   it's like that stupid pink bunny
[09:44] <stdin> intelikey: what do you mean, when you run the command in a script ctrl-d doesn't work?
[09:44] <intelikey> wait i'm still testing   i think it may.   i just got impatient
[09:45] <stdin> works when I do it :)
[09:45] <malqos> stdin: what?
[09:45] <malqos> :)
[09:45] <intelikey> don't forget we have different bashes
[09:45] <yeniklasorr> stdin : thanks I did it, now how to use it? with "wget" or with  "/home/me/wget/bin/wget" or any other ?
[09:46] <stdin> malqos: when you click the icon nothing happens, try right-clicking it
[09:46] <stdin> intelikey: works in sh too
[09:46] <stdin> yeniklasorr: depends on your $PATH
[09:47] <stdin> yeniklasorr: if /home/you/wget/bin is before the place the system wget is installed you can just do "wget"
[09:47] <yeniklasorr> stdin : no I created it
[09:47] <malqos> stdin: ok. i clikc rigth and i see small menu:add item to desktop, add item to main panel,edit item, put into run dialog
[09:48] <intelikey> stdin yeah it's working   just got in too big of a hurry the first try.
[09:48] <stdin> yeniklasorr: you can can change your $PATH then
[09:49] <stdin> yeniklasorr: you mean it's not starting?
[09:49] <intelikey> when i kill things i like them to die right now.    not kick jerk and bleed for half a day...
[09:50] <yeniklasorr> stdin : I'm working with "wget/bin/wget http://...." it is working
[09:50] <yeniklasorr> stdin : if I close ssh, downloading will resume or kill ?
[09:50] <dissection> Anyone know what the url to the webgui interface of ktorrent is?
[09:50] <stdin> yeniklasorr: will probably be killed
[09:51] <yeniklasorr> stdin : anyway to not be kill
[09:51] <stdin> yeniklasorr: wget -b
[09:51] <yeniklasorr> ok thank you
[09:52] <stdin> dissection: by default http://localhost:8080/
[09:52] <yeniklasorr> stdin : Continuing in background, pid 598  worked thanks
[09:53] <dissection> stdin: Okay, that worked. Thanks. I had changed it to port 80 and http://localhost/ wasn't working
[09:53] <stdin> dissection: you need to be root to open a port lower than 1024
[09:53] <hangthedj> anybody used basketnotes yet?
[09:53] <Lynoure> hangthedj: ask away
[09:53] <Lynoure> hangthedj: it's not _that_ new :)
[09:54] <dissection> Okay
[09:54] <hangthedj> i guess not.
[09:54] <Lynoure> hangthedj: I'm trying to get into the developement of it, but have been distracted by various things
[09:54] <hangthedj> i just upgraded to gutsy from feisty, and kontact wouldn't stop crashing.  so i installed the svn of basket notes, and it stopped crashing.  anyway, i love basketnotes.
[09:54] <hangthedj> great program.
[09:55] <Lynoure> hard to tell what was the cause of the crashing... maybe some library missing, or something
[09:56] <hangthedj> i don't know, all i know is when i loaded basket notes externally it didn't crash.  and when i loaded kontact and then killed basket notes then clicked on it, it crashed.  now it doesn.t
[09:59] <stdin> hangthedj: It's a known bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdepim/+bug/133857  gutsy help in #ubuntu+1
[10:00] <hangthedj> stdin: well i fixed it with svn :)
[10:00] <hangthedj> well i mean i didn't fix it.
[10:00] <hangthedj> but it works now.
[10:00] <stdin> hangthedj: report that on the bug page
[10:01] <intelikey> well it's setteled,  i'm calling this a hardware problem.      i refuse to blame linux for this sound issue.
[10:01] <intelikey> and is athlon k6 or k7  ?
[10:04] <intelikey> ok it's 7 & 8   my bad.
[10:04] <intelikey> then why does it say cpm family 6 ?
[10:05] <stdin> k8 seems to be the amd64 cpu
[10:06] <intelikey> yes k8 is 64bit
[10:07] <intelikey> maybe athlon is like pentium ???
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[10:07] <slougi> k7 is the athlon [xp]  core, k8 is the athlon64 core
[10:08] <fkm> Heh
[10:08] <slougi> family 6 means just that it is basically a i686 chip
[10:08] <fkm> That tutorial was somewhat overkill :)
[10:08] <stdin> intelikey: bah, why can't you just get -generic :p
[10:08] <intelikey> stdin heh.
[10:10] <intelikey> stdin this box is new to me.  i'm just learning what and why about it..
[10:10] <stdin> intelikey: lshw is good for that
[10:11] <intelikey> doesn't tell what cpu family,   i'm still wondering about that
[10:11] <fkm> The only thing I needed to change was the Protocol (ImPS/2 -> ExplorerPS/2), comment out the 3 button emulation (Emulate3Buttons) in /etc/X11/xorg.conf and uncomment the IMWHEEL_PARAMS in /etc/X11/imwheel/statup.conf and change the numbers to "4 5 8 9".
[10:11] <intelikey> http://ubuntu.pastebin.us/39119
[10:11] <fkm> And now my MX500 works fine with my Kubuntu :D
[10:12] <fkm> Now let's see if this works in games too :)
[10:15] <ubuntu_> hello i keep getin error by loging in on kde 7.04
[10:15] <ubuntu_> There was an error setting up interprocess communication for KDE. The message returned by the system connection was:
[10:15] <ubuntu_> could not read network connection list.
[10:15] <ubuntu_> /home/
[10:17] <ubuntu_> stdin: cq u help me?
[10:18] <ubuntu_> can
[10:19] <intelikey> what's the range on wifi in unconjested conditions ?
[10:20] <hrz> hi
[10:20] <intelikey> hrz
[10:22] <ubuntu_> hello i keep getin error by loging in on kde 7.04 whit the dcopserver
[10:27] <SlimeyPete> how does one tell KDE not to launch Amarok on login? It's driving me nuts.
[10:30] <ubuntu_> SlimeyPete: i dont koz how.but zhen somethings bother me i close everything n logout n back in
[10:30] <SlimeyPete> well, that won't fix anything - my problem is that Amarok runs ever time I log in :)
[10:31] <Tabmows> anyone know how to make sure my kde/kubuntu saves the desktop size when I change it? i try and change it to 1280x800 and it changes back to 1024x768 when i logout or reboot?
[10:31] <ubuntu_> stdin: uthere?
[10:32] <sini|work> SlimeyPete: Maybe that behavior is set in the amarok options, dunno if ther is sch an option. Or you have amarok in your Autostart.
[10:33] <ubuntu_> sini|work: is stbin there?
[10:33] <runlevelten> SlimeyPete: Either you have persistent sessions enabled, or you have amarok in autostart
[10:33] <SlimeyPete> it's not in the Autostart folder
[10:33] <kaminix> How do I partition an USB memory stick so that I'll be able to use it in Windows (ways to partition it in Windows XP's also OK)
[10:33] <SlimeyPete> and there's no option in the preferences.
[10:34] <runlevelten> then either 1)ensure you shut it properly before shutting your computer down, or 2) switch off persisten sessions
[10:34] <SlimeyPete> it's been starting automatically ever since I installed Kubuntu.
[10:34] <SlimeyPete> runlevelten: I always do 1)
[10:34] <SlimeyPete> in fact I shut it down as soonas it starts
[10:34] <SlimeyPete> I don't use Amarok.
[10:34] <runlevelten> SlimeyPete: are you sure? closing the amarok window only docks it, mind..
[10:35] <SlimeyPete> I'm sure. I can't just "close the window" as I don't use a window decorator. I quit it properly, so that it is no longer on the panel.
[10:35] <ubuntu_> runlevelten: i got prob ith loging in i; on cd live my prob is:could not read network connection list.
[10:35] <runlevelten> then switch off persistent sessions, at least for one logout-login. like so:
[10:36] <runlevelten> alt+F2   type kcontrol and press enter  kde components  session manager  set "On Login" to "Start with an empty session"
[10:37] <runlevelten> ubuntu_: You sure you're running kubuntu, not ubuntu?
[10:37] <ubuntu_> runlevelten: feisty 7.04
[10:37] <SlimeyPete> runlevelten: ok, cheers, I'll try that.
[10:37] <runlevelten> SlimeyPete: good stuff :)
[10:38] <runlevelten> ubuntu_: Are you aware of whether you're running gnome or KDE?
[10:39] <runlevelten> ubuntu_: Is everything mostly brown?
[10:39] <ubuntu_> runlevelten:kde i havent install gnome.i start giving me that prob when i config my livebox to get internet
[10:40] <ubuntu_> runlevelten: lol im not that stupid
[10:40] <ubuntu_> runlevelten: everything blue
[10:40] <runlevelten> Why would it be stupid if you didn't know? :)
[10:40] <runlevelten> if it's a boggle with the gui network tools, I can't honestly say I ever use them :(
[10:41] <ubuntu_> i keep teling u its kde feisty 7.04 im running
[10:41] <runlevelten> ubuntu_: Yeah, I gathered that...
[10:43] <ubuntu_> runlevelten: i went in network profile n i deleted the name that was there
[10:44] <ubuntu_> runlevelten: hien megabrain?
[10:45] <ubuntu_> stdin:
[10:47] <ubuntu_> runlevelten: i; goin to reinstall kde this suck.i; havin taughts on chagin to ubuntu
[10:47] <ubuntu_> or fedora
[10:48] <runlevelten> http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-26208.html        http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=26208
[10:49] <runlevelten> ubuntu_: Well that's your choice.
[10:50] <josiah> !multiverse
[10:50] <josiah> !repositories
[10:50] <josiah> !repositorie
[10:50] <josiah> hmm
[10:51] <josiah> anybody know where to get info on setting up repositories?
[10:51] <runlevelten> !repos
[10:51] <LoneShadow> how to enable software sound mixing ?
[10:51] <LoneShadow> !mixing
[10:51] <josiah> !repos
[10:51] <runlevelten> ooh, the bot's had it.
[10:51] <josiah> ?
[10:51] <runlevelten> Hang on guys.
[10:51] <LoneShadow> bot went to bed ? :D
[10:52] <NickPresta> Goodnight all.
[10:52] <runlevelten> The packages in Ubuntu are divided into several sections. More information at https://help.ubuntu.positories and http://www.ubuntu.cocomponents - See also !EasySource
[10:52] <LoneShadow> !mixing
[10:52] <linopil> !op
[10:53] <LoneShadow> bot is still down ?
[10:53] <runlevelten> a site for the artist who wishes to use Ubuntu as their Digital Audio Workstation. It contains all the best parts of Audio/Graphical/Visual components from the Ubuntu repositories, and extra! Available at http://www.ubuntustudio.com. Or visit #ubuntustudio.
[10:53] <linopil> apparently
[10:53] <LoneShadow> so what is runlevelten displaying ?
[10:54] <linopil> bot come back home
[10:57] <runlevelten> The packages in Ubuntu are divided into several sections. More information at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories and http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/components - See also !EasySource
[10:57] <josiah> !easysource
[10:58] <runlevelten> a webpage where you can (re)generate your sources.list - http://www.ubuntu-nlce-o-matic
[10:58] <josiah> there isnt a difference between kubuntu and ubuntu repositories?
[10:58] <runlevelten> a webpage where you can (re)generate your sources.list - http://www.ubuntu-nl.org/source-o-matic
[10:58] <runlevelten> josiah: No
[10:58] <SlimeyPete> josiah: nope. Same repos.
[10:59] <SlimeyPete> Same OS, different default environment.
[11:01] <josiah> ty
[11:02] <josiah> is there a good site to follow for setting up kubuntu for all software repos, settings, codecs etc etc? I just came from suse and dont know anything about ubuntu/kubuntu
[11:08] <spiroo> hello everyone
[11:08] <pupeno> josiah: many of the most important resources are already on /etc/apt/sources.list, they are just commented out.
[11:08] <pupeno> for the rest:
[11:08] <pupeno> !mp3
[11:08] <spiroo> is there any dist to mount from an USB
[11:08] <josiah> !mp3
[11:08] <pupeno> it's not working...
[11:09] <trekdanne> !codecs
[11:09] <spiroo> please, I wanna install linux in school, lol :D
[11:09] <trekdanne> what's happend to ubotu??
[11:09] <pupeno> spiroo: your question is not clear.
[11:09] <spiroo> the bot is turned off maybe for the moment
[11:10] <spiroo> I wanna install linux from an USB
[11:10] <pupeno> spiroo: the boot is working on #ubuntu.
[11:10] <spiroo> with USB?
[11:10] <spiroo> does it boot automatically, or do I have to  change in BIOS?
[11:11] <OuZo> how many logical partitions is the max? thanks
[11:11] <spiroo> 4
[11:11] <spiroo> it is not OS dependent
[11:12] <spiroo> but you could install an extended partition with partitions inside
[11:12] <pupeno> I meant the bot.
[11:12] <pupeno> I don't know about usb, but I'll do a search first.
[11:12] <josiah> i just used the bot in the ubuntu channel :) seems to work fine
[11:13] <spiroo> okay thanks pupeno. My permissions in school is quite annoying :D I wanna use linux :D
[11:13] <josiah> ok i see firefox and thunderbird in adept manager as installed but they are not located in the Kde -> Internet menue
[11:14] <_Shade_> .join #ubuntu
[11:14] <_Shade_> shit sorry :)
[11:22] <OuZo> how many extended partitions can i make?
[11:24] <stdin> OuZo: as many as you want
[11:25] <OuZo> thanks stdin
[11:25] <josiah> ok... can someone assist me with installing nvidia drivers?
[11:27] <Tomi-idle> !nvidia
[11:28] <stdin> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto/Nvidia
[11:52] <der_fox> hi leutz
[12:04] <joseph1110216> how do i check if ubuntu is using my video card?
[12:12] <richi_> Hi everybody.
[12:21] <Gargantua> Hi
[12:21] <Gargantua> my resolution is really low, and I can't change it from the controls. any help?
[12:21] <richips> Gargantua, can't you change it from the "configure desktop" option?
[12:21] <gargantua_> hi
[12:21] <SteamMachine> Hi
[12:21] <Gargantua> is it possible to create a root password on kubuntu?
[12:21] <Gargantua> I want to have su access.
[12:21] <runlevelten> sudo passwd root methinks
[12:22] <stdin> sudo -i is easier
[12:22] <Gargantua> runlevelten: I found my answer on google, but thank you very much.
[12:22] <Gargantua> could someone help me with my resolution problem please?
[12:22] <SteamMachine> I'd really like to add emoticons into kopete... how do I do this?
[12:22] <runlevelten> good stuff.
[12:22] <stdin> Gargantua: thought about "sudo su" ?
[12:23] <runlevelten> Now that's just perverse.
[12:23] <runlevelten> *su -c sudo even
[12:23] <Gargantua> sudo password root did the trick.
[12:24] <Gargantua> could it be an xorg configuration problem?
[12:24] <runlevelten> SteamMachine: you can download them from online
[12:25] <runlevelten> in the config dialog where you set emoticons, click get new stuff.
[12:25] <SteamMachine> runlevelten: but supposing I just wanted to add one or two new emoticons?
[12:25] <runlevelten> spose you could edit an existing theme :)
[12:26] <Gargantua> damn
[12:26] <SteamMachine> hm.
[12:27] <Gargantua> apt > yum
[12:27] <runlevelten> so you could copy /usr/share/emoticons/Default to a new folder
[12:27] <runlevelten> then drop in your new ones.
[12:27] <runlevelten> renaming them so they replace whatever ones you...wanted to replace.
[12:33] <runlevelten> SteamMachine: yeah, that works fine. Appears as a new emoticon theme (foldername) in kopete's list
[12:37] <Assid> hrmm kopete should have supported the same way msn does.. to add new emoticons
[12:38] <liu> qq can't be used in kopete, it is so disapponinted
[12:39] <runlevelten> there's probably a plugin for what you're talking about :)
[12:39] <liu> you don't know qq?
[12:40] <Assid> hrmm will check it
[12:40] <runlevelten> what's qq?
[12:40] <Assid> downloading at 10-15K/sec isnt fun
[12:40] <Assid> qq? qmail-queue ?
[12:40] <Tm_T> hi kids
[12:40] <liu> qq ,a software like msn
[12:40] <liu> qq is very popular in china
[12:41] <runlevelten> hi Tm_T... how'd the surgery go?
[12:41] <Assid> eva ?
[12:41] <seanpcrowe|> silly question here... how do i reboot kubuntu??? (every time i do, the previous session is still there)
[12:41] <runlevelten> I've never heard of it liu - let me just find out about it :)
[12:42] <runlevelten> ( seanpcrowe|: alt+F2  kcontrol  kde components  session manager  change on login to start with an empty session )
[12:43] <seanpcrowe|> runlevelten, you are a gentleman sir... thx =)
[12:43] <runlevelten> np at all seanpcrowe| :)
[12:44] <Assid> runlevelten: check out eva
[12:44] <runlevelten> liu: still reading about qq, but for reference, the machine next to me has gaim installed and lets you add a qq acct.
[12:44] <runlevelten> *pidgin
[12:44] <Assid> pidgin?
[12:45] <valentin13> bonjour a tous
[12:45] <runlevelten> Hello valentin13
[12:46] <BrightEyes`> hello.anyone to help me make my microphone work?
[12:46] <runlevelten> liu: there's certainly some qq stuff in the kopete repos.
[12:46] <valentin13> it is   english here
[12:46] <dejv> anyone who know something about motherboard-compatibility and kubuntu?
[12:46] <runlevelten> valentin13: indeed :)
[12:47] <runlevelten> BrightEyes`: it's likely you need to adjust settings in kmix#
[12:47] <runlevelten> alt+F2  kmix
[12:47] <BrightEyes`> runlevelten: yes.after?
[12:48] <BrightEyes`> runlevelten: in input i press the radio button for the microphone and it gets red.
[12:48] <valentin13> run  do you know if  yahoo messenger can to open on unix
[12:48] <valentin13> or it is just for window
[12:48] <Tomi-idle> valentin13: if you're one kubuntu you can use Kopete to use Yahoo
[12:48] <runlevelten> valentin13: firstly, there is a yahoo messenger for unix, and it's really really terrible
[12:48] <runlevelten> valentin13: fortunately...
[12:48] <runlevelten> valentin13: you can use kopete or pidgin to chat on yahoo.
[12:49] <valentin13> because i have some friend on yahoo messenger  so i wish  to get  messenger
[12:49] <valentin13> i am new on  kubuntu unix
[12:49] <runlevelten> Well kopete is fairly easy to use :)
[12:49] <valentin13> it is a little hard
[12:50] <Assid> runlevelten: pidgin good?
[12:50] <runlevelten> Do you have it open?
[12:50] <Gargantua> oh man, my resolution still wont go high enough.
[12:50] <runlevelten> Assid: Pidgin's great, yeah. Kopete has the edge at the moment, but I alternate between them over the years for feature support.
[12:50] <valentin13> i  have to find with  adept
[12:50] <runlevelten> valentin13: it may be installed by default.
[12:51] <runlevelten> ( Assid - pidgin is the new name for gaim btw )
[12:51] <Assid> ohhhhhhhhhh
[12:51] <Assid> hrmm okay then
[12:51] <Assid> pidgin looks too widgetty on kubuntu
[12:51] <Tomi-idle> better use kopete under kde ;)
[12:51] <runlevelten> as I said, kopete has the edge atm tbh.
[12:51] <valentin13> ty run for  kopete
[12:51] <runlevelten> and integrates better.
[12:52] <runlevelten> np valentin13 - one proviso though
[12:52] <runlevelten> if you wish to use webcam and voice, there is an ugly ( but more featureful ) software that can do those.
[12:52] <liu> the online people using qq is 30 million
[12:52] <runlevelten> It's called "gyachi! improved"
[12:52] <BrightEyes`> runlevelten: im now trying to record with audacity and nothing
[12:53] <runlevelten> liu: I bet it's more than that if it's popular in China :D
[12:53] <liu> I say it is the online number
[12:53] <seanpcrowe|> Gargantua, whats wrong?
[12:53] <liu> it has 0
[12:53] <Gargantua> seanpcrowe|: well I commented out all the resolutions from my xorg config,
[12:53] <liu> it has 0.2 billion user in china
[12:54] <runlevelten> Gosh, wow.
[12:54] <seanpcrowe|> u cant get 1280x800 Gargantua ????
[12:54] <Gargantua> and now my resolution still wont go as high as I want it.
[12:54] <seanpcrowe|> how high do you want it?
[12:54] <JD> 3590ft
[12:54] <JD> jajaj
[12:54] <seanpcrowe|> lulz
[12:54] <Gargantua> I am currently on 1280x800
[12:54] <seanpcrowe|> over 9000 =)
[12:54] <Assid> nice
[12:54] <Gargantua> it sucks because it's all squeezed.
[12:54] <Assid> i just bought a geforce 6600GT for 40$
[12:54] <JD> 39652km
[12:54] <Assid> 2nd hand
[12:54] <Assid> worth it ?
[12:54] <runlevelten> Assid: Good move.
[12:55] <runlevelten> imo anyway
[12:55] <liu> qq has 90% users,and msn has 9% user in china
[12:55] <Assid> actually 45 if oyu convert
[12:55] <seanpcrowe|> well i had a problem where i couldn't get 1280x800 Gargantua on intel GMA945... i installed 915resulution and this fixed it...
[12:55] <Assid> runlevelten: didnt make sense upgrading my hardware atm .. i got a p4 3ghz.. 1.5GB ram
[12:55] <Gargantua> how?
[12:55] <JD> qq is a car here where i live, ajaj
[12:55] <runlevelten> that's like 10 quid or something, heh :)
[12:55] <runlevelten> Lucky git.
[12:55] <Assid> so i can wait for the penryns to come out
[12:55] <liu> yes ,qq is also a car made in china
[12:56] <liu> www.qq.com
[12:56] <liu> you can go
[12:56] <Chippy> hey, I'm wanting to install the new flash beta, can anyone offer me any advice?
[12:56] <Assid> at that time.. id prolly pick up the 8600GTS with E5420 (2.6ghz quad)
[12:56] <seanpcrowe|> K menu >>> system >>>> adept manager >>>> 915 resulution... <----- try that Gargantua, also what GFX chip do u have and can your moniter handle higher res's ?
[12:56] <Assid> i wonder if it will make much of a difference to me ;)
[12:56] <runlevelten> liu, did you gather what I was saying about qq support being (apparently) worked on ?
[12:56] <JD> it is from cheely??
[12:57] <Gargantua> seanpcrowe|: Radeon 9250.
[12:57] <Gargantua> I've ran much higher res's on Windows.
[12:57] <liu> qq can work in linux through eva?
[12:57] <liu> but eva isn't very good
[12:57] <runlevelten> or through pidgin
[12:57] <liu> yes
[12:57] <seanpcrowe|> 915resulution is NOT gonna be your answer then... sorry dude cant help... :s
[12:57] <runlevelten> and there are recent commits to do with qq support in kopete's repos.
[12:57] <Assid> i wouldnt mind a nice ati card.. problem is.. ati support on linux isnt too good
[12:58] <JD> and advise?? buy an Nvidia
[12:58] <runlevelten> Chippy: never shelter under a tree in a thunderstorm
[12:58] <roberto_> im in truble anyone here?
[12:58] <runlevelten> Oh, and also don't judge a book by its cover :D
[12:58] <Chippy> runlevelten: heh
[12:58] <liu> in china ,everyone who surf the Internet must be the user of qq
[12:59] <Assid> runlevelten:  never shelter under a mushroom in a storm !
[12:59] <Gargantua> seanpcrowe|: ok I installed the res, should I restart?
[12:59] <Assid> although if you do manage to.. your probably a smurf
[12:59] <runlevelten> liu: It appears to be noticed in KDE :)
[12:59] <Assid> be noticed in kde ?
[12:59] <roberto_> how to modify the permission on a folder?
[12:59] <Assid> roberto_: right click.. properties
[12:59] <runlevelten> Chippy: my advice is make sure you report any webcam bugs you find
 915resulution is NOT gonna be your answer then... sorry dude cant help... : <----- did u not see that Gargantua ???
[01:00] <JD> why they should use QQ??
[01:00] <Assid> roberto_:  or if your using cli .. chmod and chown depending what you wanna do
[01:00] <Chippy> does anyone know how to uninstall my old flash version?
[01:00] <Chippy> I have a deb to install for the new one
[01:00] <seanpcrowe|> that will only work with intel chips Gargantua... you should uninstall it to be on the safe side...
[01:00] <runlevelten> Although didn't they palm that off on v4l now?
[01:00] <Gargantua> uh oh!
[01:00] <roberto_> cmod !
[01:00] <seanpcrowe|> lol Gargantua, just uninstall it...
[01:00] <Gargantua> I am lol
[01:00] <Gargantua> that's it
[01:01] <Gargantua> I am installing debian instead.
[01:01] <seanpcrowe|> did u search the ubuntu forums?
[01:01] <Assid> Gargantua: for desktop?
[01:01] <Gargantua> kubuntu sucks, I am always having problems with ubuntu and res.
[01:01] <seanpcrowe|> yeah me too, but i got them sorted
[01:01] <Gargantua> Assid: more like for everything.
[01:01] <Assid> Gargantua: i used to have similar issues.. i run debian on my servers.. and kubuntu on my desktop
[01:02] <runlevelten> If you can't fix it in ubuntu, you'll be stuffed on debian.
[01:02] <Assid> Gargantua: very simple to fix actually most forums have alot of tips
[01:02] <runlevelten> Gargantua: what's your actual boggle?
[01:02] <Gargantua> Deboan = fixed by default = me happy
[01:02] <Assid> runlevelten: thats why servers run debian.. no need for X
[01:02] <Gargantua> debian*
[01:02] <Assid> Gargantua: not really.. it works on similar packages
[01:02] <Assid> etch uses older packages.. its a greater chance your hardware wont be pushed and you are using basic configurations
[01:02] <Gargantua> I know, for some reason, ubuntu's resolution is very low by default.
[01:03] <Gargantua> I think it's because they use different drivers or something.
[01:03] <runlevelten> what, it's not picking up the right modelines for you?
[01:03] <Assid> Gargantua: go to xorg.conf ... and modfy it
[01:03] <Gargantua> Assid: I did, only made things worse.
[01:03] <valentin13> ty run
[01:03] <Gargantua> to be honest, the only OS to get my resolution right was Windows.
[01:03] <valentin13> i have  yahoo now
[01:03] <seanpcrowe|> Gargantua. http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=182537 <----- there you go
[01:03] <runlevelten> no problem, valentin13 :)
[01:04] <Assid> Gargantua:  sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg
[01:04] <valentin13> unix is   weird
[01:04] <Assid> reset it to default first
[01:04] <valentin13> different of window
[01:04] <Assid> !resolution
[01:04] <Assid> !res
[01:04] <roberto_> help !
[01:04] <Assid> hrmm im sure the bot had something on it
[01:04] <runlevelten> more likely o be that it's not picking your monitor up right, to be honest.
[01:04] <roberto_> how to modify the cmod?
[01:04] <Assid> alrite.. i better run before those guys go away
[01:04] <runlevelten> I'd look documentation/people using that monitor.
[01:05] <Assid> runlevelten: well.. it depends actually on ddi or something..
[01:05] <Gargantua> ok brb
[01:05] <Assid> runlevelten:  first time i put the 6600 card in.. it showed the modelines.. and then next time i removed xorg.conf and replaced the card with another card.. and then again put the card back.. there are no modelines mentioned in xorg.conf
[01:05] <runlevelten> Also, if you have any liveCDs that get it all right (ie KNOPPIX), save the modelines and monitor device section  and put it in your own.from their xorg.conf
[01:06] <Assid> yeah.. but sometimes you dont need the modelines.. you just set the horizontal and vertical.. and you should be fine
[01:09] <runlevelten> You can usually find the documentation for the monitor and it'll have the hsync and vref specs there.
[01:11] <fkm> Does somebody know what draws my windows, when I have an 'empty' X session? I open the session from KDM with: X :0 -ac
[01:11] <runlevelten> Unmanaged X?
[01:12] <fkm> It's for a wine-session. I hope this will improve the performance for Steam games
[01:13] <fkm> Actually it all works fine. But when I open a firefox (with a button provided in steam) - well there's no window decoration, but that's alright - the window looks kinda weird. Like an old GTK window
[01:14] <fkm> May this actually be wine drawing the (interior) of the firefox window?
[01:14] <fkm> Or rather some backup window manager, as the main one isn't loaded?
[01:14] <RivaeAerya> join #compiz-fusion
[01:14] <RivaeAerya> oops
[01:14] <RivaeAerya> had to put a slash in front of that
[01:15] <valentin13> who know gentoo
[01:16] <fkm> Or let's forget about this question. It's not that important as long as it works :)
[01:16] <slougi> fkm: wine's own browser uses the gecko engine, maybe it's that?
[01:16] <slougi> valentin13: #gentoo
[01:16] <valentin13> unix gentoo
[01:16] <runlevelten> wine is not drawing the widgets in your linux apps.
[01:17] <fkm> Maybe. The contextmenus were not the ones from Firefox
[01:17] <seanpcrowe|> hey, does anyone know of the name of a file shredder in kubuntu??? (i had a couple in vista)
[01:17] <runlevelten> use the one that comes with kgpg seanpcrowe|
[01:17] <fkm> Hmmm... Well. Then I guess it's not wine as it really was a firefox. (with the "Restore Session" button at the beginning as I didn't close it at the last session)
[01:18] <runlevelten> there's no way it would be wine unless you installed firefox in wine
[01:18] <seanpcrowe|> ok runlevelten... thanks =)
[01:18] <runlevelten> seanpcrowe|: np
[01:18] <slougi> runlevelten: yes there is, if an app asks for the mshtml widget it will prompt you for permission to download the gecko widget
[01:19] <fkm> So it must be something else. Maybe Qt without the styles
[01:19] <slougi> runlevelten: in any case wine itself implements all the default windows controls
[01:20] <runlevelten> slougi: Just no, frankly.
[01:20] <slougi> ?
[01:20] <runlevelten> mshtml is one thing. The GUI widgets in Firefox are another.
[01:21] <slougi> runlevelten: heh, if steam uses mshtml, wine will download the windows version of gecko and use that as a replacement
[01:21] <fkm> I got this wine gecko replacement thing installed
[01:21] <valentin13> i am lost
[01:22] <magnus__> salve
[01:22] <runlevelten> slougi: indeed. That's got nothing to do with drawing the widgets in native firefox. Nothing whatsoever.
[01:22] <fkm> But I don't think it's that. Because I don't think it supports tabs and doesn't ask me what to do with the tabs from the last session ;)
[01:22] <fkm> Well. Maybe I'll find out later on what's beeing loaded :)
[01:22] <slougi> runlevelten: right, and i never claimed anything to that effect
[01:23] <runlevelten> So what on earth are you talking about then?
[01:23] <slougi> if there is a button inside steam to open firefox, it will not open the native firefox, now will it?
[01:23] <fkm> I got another question there :) Is it possible to do a logout (back to KDM) without the logout-button? Is there a command or key-bind/shortcut?
[01:23] <JCDG> hi, does anyone know how to use ntfs-3g??
[01:24] <slougi> fkm: you can probably use dcop, not sure which interface though
 there's no way it would be wine unless you installed firefox in wine  <slougi> runlevelten: yes there is
[01:24] <fkm> slougi: It's not a Firefox button. It's the "News" button which opens the URI in your default bowser (at least it normally does :))
[01:24] <fkm> Ok, thanks :)
[01:24] <JCDG> so, whta do i do after i install it??
[01:25] <runlevelten> Yes, that would entail *installing firefox in wine*
[01:25] <slougi> runlevelten: misread that ;)
[01:25] <runlevelten> ;)
[01:25] <runlevelten> slougi: easily done.
[01:25] <slougi> in any case my point was that any websites opened from an app run using wine will open up using either the mshtml gecko component or another native browser
[01:26] <JCDG> how do i use ntfs-3g?
[01:28] <fkm> Ok, I will check that and then tell you what really opened :)
[01:28] <fkm> But now I have to go to the city. I think I'll be back in about an hour or so
[01:28] <fkm> Cu then, and thank you again, slougi and runlevelten  :)
[01:28] <runlevelten> have fun.
[01:28] <runlevelten> Oh, and fkm?
[01:28] <valentin13> brb my dinner
[01:29] <fkm> Yes?
[01:29] <runlevelten> let me know how that works out please ;)
[01:29] <fkm> I will :)
[01:29] <runlevelten> source engine, yeah?
[01:30] <fkm> Not really. I'm still at cstrike with the half-life1 (/q2) engine
[01:30] <runlevelten> ah ok :)
[01:30] <fkm> Didn't get the source-engine to work. But maybe with the new and pure wine session my computer will be up to the challenge ;)
[01:30] <deadmoon> hi
[01:30] <fkm> Or I for that matter ;)
[01:30] <runlevelten> cool.
[01:31] <fkm> Ok, saved your nicks in a KNote so I don't loos'em :)
[01:31] <fkm> cu later :)
[01:31] <deadmoon> was wondering if you could digg http://digg.com/design/Funniest_Restaurant_Signs_and_Menus_sometimes_people_need_to_proof_read if you think its worth digging! :P (sorry for spammy like message! only digg if you like it
[01:32] <seanpcrowe|> anyone know if there is a chatroom here for help with media codecs and media player etc... ???
[01:33] <seanpcrowe|> *media players
[01:33] <runlevelten> later dude
[01:34] <runlevelten> deadmoon: What'd you spam the channel for man?
[01:34] <runlevelten> :(
[01:34] <runlevelten> !codecs
[01:34] <deadmoon> well wasn't so much spam
[01:35] <tomas_> hello all
[01:35] <tomas_> pls help
[01:35] <JCDG> tell me tomas
[01:35] <tomas_> where to download Kubuntu feisty live cd?
[01:36] <runlevelten> deadmoon: it was ENTIRELY spam :(
[01:36] <tomas_> i see just desktop and alt
[01:36] <runlevelten> http://kubuntu.com/download.php
[01:36] <tomas_> ya there is the desktop and alt no live
[01:36] <JCDG> look,, the live cd it's an iso image of the download
[01:37] <JCDG> you can get it, by shipit in ubuntu.com or you can make record that iso image on a cd
[01:37] <runlevelten> tomas_: read the page a bit more carefully :)
[01:38] <runlevelten> seanpcrowe|: what's the problem?
[01:38] <JCDG> yeah, we need to read a little bit more before coming here,
[01:38] <tomas_> still cant see it
[01:38] <runlevelten> seanpcrowe|: For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.tedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.c-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.reeFormats
[01:39] <knowledge25> hello: can somebody help me with my sudo?
[01:39] <runlevelten> Damn, those links truncated. Hang on
[01:39] <stdin> tomas_: the desktop cd IS the live cd
[01:39] <tomas_> no because i need the live to install linux mce
[01:39] <_Shade_> every time i am going to use sudo command i get this sudo: unable to lookup Linux via gethostbyname()
[01:39] <tomas_> and the desktop is no good fo that
[01:40] <runlevelten> seanpcrowe|: For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[01:40] <_Shade_> how can i fix it?
[01:40] <runlevelten> tomas_: The Desktop Is The Live C D :P
[01:40] <JCDG> yeah, the desktop is the live cd
[01:41] <tomas_> ive tried it but the linux mce installet think somrhin else
[01:41] <knowledge25> hello: can somebody help me with my sudo?
[01:41] <stdin> tomas_: http://wiki.linuxmce.org/index.php/Download_Instructions
[01:42] <seanpcrowe|> runlevelten, awesome dude... thx for those links... =)
[01:42] <seanpcrowe|> i watch a lot of 720p & 1080p stuff usually in .mkv and its a nightmare getting them to work in leeniux =)
[01:42] <runlevelten> np seanpcrowe|, I just pasted them from the bot factoids, because the bot is unwell right now
[01:42] <tomas_> i know needed is live and the link points to desktop
[01:43] <stdin> tomas_: the desktop cd IS the live cd <<
[01:43] <runlevelten> tomas_: You REALLY need to slow down, have a cup of tea and read it carefully.
[01:43] <runlevelten> I know it's exciting and stuff, but it's in front of you :)
[01:44] <runlevelten> ( add coffee to taste :) )
[01:44] <JCDG> and a lot of vanilla tea
[01:44] <knowledge25> my sudo won't.work can somebody help me?
[01:45] <stdin> tomas_: from the instructions: "The CD installer comes on 2 CDs and requires you to first install Kubuntu 7.04 using Kubuntu's Live CD, and then to install LinuxMCE on top." do you use the 7.04 desktop CD
[01:45] <tomas_> yes have kubuntu installed
[01:45] <tomas_> but from the desktop cd
[01:45] <JCDG> who has kubuntu installed?
[01:45] <tomas_> meee
[01:46] <tomas_> on top i want mce
[01:46] <JCDG> ok, well, you don't need another live cd to instal mce
[01:46] <tomas_> the linux MCE is asking for it
[01:47] <stdin> tomas_: read http://wiki.linuxmce.org/index.php/Installation_Guide
[01:47] <tomas_> first asks for the 2MCE isos the the K live
[01:47] <tomas_> ive read the guide
[01:47] <JCDG> read the article
[01:49] <tomas_> in the article it asks for the LIVE CD
[01:49] <runlevelten> tomas_: Sounds like you have an issue with linuxmce then.
[01:49] <runlevelten> Or you're using a wrong/broken disk.
[01:49] <tomas_> i gave him the iso image
[01:50] <tomas_> of Kubuntu desktop
[01:50] <stdin> tomas_: we have told you several times, the Desktop CD is the Live CD
[01:50] <tomas_> i understand that
[01:50] <stdin> they are one and the same, if the installer isn't working, then it's a MCE problem
[01:50] <tomas_> but the limux mce does not
[01:52] <dthacker> knowledge25: what is your sudo question?
[01:52] <runlevelten> tomas_: the problem is that you have an mce problem.
[01:52] <runlevelten> I do not know about linux-mce. I am a kubuntu user.
[01:53] <tomas_> ok then has anybody have my mce problem
[01:53] <Lynoure> tomas_: there might be #linuxmce
[01:54] (runlevelten/#kubuntu) http://forum.linuxmce.com/
[01:54] <knowledge25> The package lg3d-java3d needs to be reinstalled can somebody help me?
[01:55] <tomas_> ok thx anyway
[01:55] <runlevelten> http://forum.linuxmce.com/
[01:55] <runlevelten> tomas_: http://forum.linuxmce.com/
[01:55] <runlevelten> there don't seem to be any mce related chans
[01:55] <runlevelten> on freenode anyway
[01:55] <slougi> knowledge25: apt-get install --reinstall lg3d-java3d should work
[01:55] <runlevelten> that forum is the place to seek support.
[01:57] <knowledge25> that don't work it say 13 Permission denied Could not open lock file
[01:58] <runlevelten> sudo apt-get
[01:58] <runlevelten> et cetera :)
[01:59] <SlimeyPete> knowledge25: type "sudo apt-get install" instead of just "apt-get install"
[01:59] <tomas_> who has Winfast 2000 XP Expoert on Kubuntu working?
[02:00] <tomas_> or knows how to make it run
[02:00] <malqos> where i can find downlaed files form amule?i change the catalog to /home/malqos/desktop but i dont see anything on desktop
[02:00] <malqos> :(
[02:01] <tomas_> kubuntu and Winfast XP Expert sameone???
[02:01] <JD> how do i registre here??
[02:01] <knowledge25> nothing still not working
[02:05] <knowledge25> my sudo won't work at all,somebody help me
[02:05] <Dragnslcr> JCDG- /msg nickserv help
[02:07] <JCDG> is there any girl??
[02:07] <JCDG> jajaaj
[02:10] <knowledge25> what is that mean The package lg3d-java3d needs to be reinstalled, but I can't find an archive for it.
[02:12] <ubuntu__> hianyone can help me out
[02:12] <Kriips> probably, but i doubt it would be me
[02:13] <nosrednaekim> whats the problem?
[02:13] <nosrednaekim> knowledge25: means that you lost a repository that you had when you installed it
[02:13] <ubuntu__> I wanna know what is use of a space on the left in the avant window navigator
[02:14] <nosrednaekim> ubuntu__: hmm i don't use avant... sorry.
[02:14] <ubuntu__> thank U
[02:14] <ubuntu__> all the same
[02:14] <syka> ok
[02:15] <ubuntu__> Kriips: do U know it?tell me,PLZ
[02:16] <Kriips> no, sry :(
[02:16] <DexterF> hi
[02:16] <nosrednaekim> hey
[02:17] <ubuntu__> oh!my,maybe i come to a wrong place,i should go to the chennel ubuntu?
[02:18] <nosrednaekim> ubuntu__: there are more people there, so maybe
[02:18] <ubuntu__> thx!my english was too poor
[02:19] <nosrednaekim> ubuntu__: it wasn't bad :)
[02:24] <DexterF> so - the TOR package is really outdated. what's canoniclas policy here? will there be a newer version or do I have to compile it myself?
[02:26] <miles> uh
[02:26] <miles> hi?
[02:26] <nosrednaekim> hi!
[02:27] <SlimeyPete> good afternoon.
[02:30] <nosrednaekim> good morning...!
[02:31] <runlevelten> You can search for a package (say in places like backports) compile it, request it or make a newer package yourself
[02:31] <maarten_> #kubuntu-nl
[02:31] <maarten_> nick moerten
[02:31] <maarten_> nick #Moerten
[02:31] <nosrednaekim> :)
[02:32] <Moerten> thank you too mate:S
[02:32] <runlevelten> hi nosrednaekim
[02:32] <BluesKaj> Howdy all :)
[02:33] <nosrednaekim> howdy!
[02:34] <BluesKaj> feels like rain is on the way here ...there goes my outdoor project for today
[02:34] <BluesKaj> got a couple fence posts that need attention
[02:34] <runlevelten> rain is here atm. It's _fou_ outside.
[02:34] <runlevelten> _foul_ even.
[02:35] <martijn__nerd> hey
[02:35] <martijn__nerd> i am using a vpn connection from network-manager
[02:36] <martijn__nerd> but to get it to work properly, i have to set ifconfig tun0 mut 1200
[02:36] <martijn__nerd> mtu sorry
[02:36] <martijn__nerd> is there a way to change the default setting of the mtu?
[02:37] <Azzco> Where can I most likely get some help with installing a controller?
[02:38] <nosrednaekim> BluesKaj: rained here for 4 days straight.
[02:38] <Stimulus_solutio> hello, i need to configure / create a windows vnc server in kubuntu, anyone know how?
[02:38] <Moerten> hi
[02:39] <Stimulus_solutio> hello
[02:39] <BluesKaj> nosrednaekim, drought conditions here , no real rain for almost 4 weeks, just a few showers now and then
[02:39] <Moerten> im looking forr someone wko can help me with a little problem
[02:39] <Stimulus_solutio> its best to get to the point, people expect questions in here
[02:39] <BluesKaj> Moerten, just ask your question
[02:39] <nosrednaekim> BluesKaj: thats how it was here... and the  BANG.. was going to go camping this week too :(
[02:39] <Moerten> nake:P
[02:39] <Moerten> nice
[02:39] <Moerten> haha
[02:40] <BluesKaj> bummer , nosrednaekim
[02:40] <Stimulus_solutio> Vnc server configuration in linux for windows, know how?
[02:41] <runlevelten> create a windows vnc server in linux?
[02:41] <fkm> runlevelten, slougi: If I click on "News" in Steam in my normal X session it opens the normal Firefox (/usr/lib/firefox/firefox-bin). What is strange though is that in the tree view of "KDE System Guard" it's 'below' steam.exe: init > kdeinit > steam.exe > firefox-bin
[02:41] <fkm> I'll check what happens with my WINE X session in... let's say 30min
[02:42] <runlevelten> Stimulus_solutio: the question isn't very clear. Could you elaborate?
[02:42] <runlevelten> fkm: interesting
[02:42] <Moerten> i want to connect a second flatscreen on my laptop, my vga card is known in ubuntu. So whats my problem. if 1 want to create an second desktop (not a clone) and i apply, ubuntu told me to restart the x server. If i do that me pc wont get back. it stops. and rebooting doesnt make any sence,
[02:42] <Stimulus_solutio> runlevelten, yep, Im looking to do remote administration for windows users from linux using vnc, its easy. BUt i want to configure a windows executable server with my own password that I can email to someone who does not know how to configure a server.
[02:43] <nosrednaekim> fkm: probably becuase it was spanwed by and inherited by  steam
[02:43] <Moerten> if i reboot i gat a black srcreen with a cursor and thats all
[02:43] <Moerten> if that happens i need to reinstall ubuntu
[02:45] <fkm> I guess so. But I'm no expert. So I thought if this was the case, Firefox should close when I close Steam. But that ain't the case here.
[02:45] <nosrednaekim> fkm: hmm thats odd.
[02:45] <fkm> When I close Steam the firefox-bin is moved to init. And not init>kdeinit where i find it if I open it normally from the startmenu
[02:46] <nosrednaekim> Steam probably does that
[02:46] <fkm> Let me see where wine is in the tree :)
[02:47] <Moerten> stimulus solution. Im not yet registerd.. sorrie
[02:47] <runlevelten> fkm: if that were the case it would be wineserver, not steam, anyway :)
[02:47] <Moerten> join kubuntu-nl
[02:47] <fkm> Werid. But what do I know :D steam.exe is in init>kdeinit too. But steamserver (which starts at the begining and then disappears when steam.exe appears :)) is in init
[02:48] <knowledge25>  what is that mean The package lg3d-java3d needs to be reinstalled, but I can't find an archive for it.
[02:48] <fkm> Ok :)
[02:48] <runlevelten> the VNC thing - there are several windows packages you can mail people pre-configured
[02:48] <runlevelten> you need to google for that - ps, remember unix2dos if you edit text files in n?x
[02:49] <seanpcrowe|> hey all =)
[02:49] <seanpcrowe|> does anyone know if i can add a menu option to my wastebin to shred or overwrite etc files when emptying the wastebin???
[02:49] <seanpcrowe|> is this even possable?
[02:51] <runlevelten> probably, although I dunno where the menu for that icon is.
[02:51] <runlevelten> let me look.
[02:52] <Stimulus_solutio> runlevelten, ok cheers
[02:53] <seanpcrowe|> runlevelten, lulz, who where you talking to there?
[02:53] <runlevelten> you :)
[02:53] <seanpcrowe|> lol, awesome =)
[02:55] <DexterF> !build
[02:56] <stdin> ubotu's on strike
[02:56] <DexterF> oO
[02:56] <DexterF> damn. ok, need some pointers on how to create packages properly, i.e. not checkinstall. did it once on debian, but that was ages ago
[02:58] <stdin> make sure you have debhelper and dh-make installed, then in the source dir "dh_make"
[02:58] <stdin> that will make the debian/ dir
[02:58] <Moerten> is there anybody who wants to help me?
[02:59] <DexterF> sounds almost too easy... what if there already is a deb-src package? what tool do I need to download it and how would I upgrade to a new version? how do I make apt prefer it as long as there's no newer version on the repositories?
[02:59] <DexterF> Moerten: just ask
[02:59] <Moerten> haha
[02:59] <Moerten> yes but its a long question:P
[02:59] <Moerten> haha
[02:59] <DexterF> go
[03:00] <Moerten> and nobody is anwsering
[03:01] <stdin> DexterF: if there is a deb-src "apt-get source package" and just edit the debian/changelog to make it a higher version that's in the repos. apt will always use the higher version, even if it's a local install
[03:01] <DexterF> Moerten: well if you know anyway nobody answers then you are right: there's no point asking. so you're all lost but at least you know where you stand, right?
[03:02] <stdin> DexterF: you can also grab the source of a higher version then you can also patch it with the .diff.gz to create the debian/ dir
[03:02] <genii> stdin: generally i just specify in apt-get command the version then it always likes that one after
[03:03] <DexterF> stdin: thanks.
[03:10] <aguitel> stdn, and aptitude ?
[03:11] <stdin> aguitel: huh?
[03:11] <aguitel> stdn ,do you think aptitude is better than apt-get?
[03:12] <stdin> generally yes
[03:12] <_Shade_> can i run a xsession from a remote machine?
[03:12] <_Shade_> via ssh
[03:12] <genii> since apt-get and dpkg are the backends to aptitude and adept if you feel more comfortable on command line then apt-get is the best way to install stuff
[03:13] <aguitel> stdn ,in what ocassion is better apt-get?
[03:13] <stdin> _Shade_: you can run applications over ssh, not full X
[03:13] <stdin> aguitel: when you don't want recommends
[03:13] <_Shade_> stdin: but can i run graphical frontends as well?
[03:13] <seezer> _Shade_: there are many different ways to do this. a full xsession over ssh would involve a ssh tunnel and setting DISPLAY to the correct host
[03:14] <seezer> perhaps NX is what you're looking for
[03:14] <runlevelten> I've never tried running a session in Xnest over ssh -X - that might work though.
[03:14] <stdin> _Shade_: yeah, login with "ssh -X user@host" and run commands
[03:14] <stdin> _Shade_: or use Xephyr and run "startkde" in a nested X window
[03:15] <stdin> runlevelten: it works, I've done it while curious :)
[03:15] <aguitel> stdn ,what means recommends?
[03:15] <_Shade_> stdin: cool... just playing around since i have managed to set up a lan network with a windows machine :)
[03:15] <runlevelten> lovely jubbly :)
[03:15] <stdin> aguitel: a recommend is something a package recommends but doesn't depend on
[03:16] <_Shade_> stdin: but will xephyr start display on my remote machine?
[03:16] <aguitel> stdn ok
[03:17] <runlevelten> OK, for a user to add custom service menu entries to wastebin, I'm considering adding a custom mimetype to the trash.desktop icon.
[03:17] <runlevelten> For a mystery prize, what will break?
[03:17] <seanpcrowe|> lol
[03:17] <stdin> _Shade_: no, it won't share the display, it runs the applications from the server and just lets you use them on the client
[03:17] <seanpcrowe|> i didnt think it would be this hard just to shred files in the wastebin :s
[03:18] <stdin> _Shade_: vnc is a "desktop sharing" thing
[03:18] <_Shade_> stdin: i am just going to try vnc but what should i do to start it on my kubuntu
[03:19] <stdin> take a look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VNCOverSSH
[03:19] <runlevelten> It's not hard to shred them at all, you can just open trash:/ and shred everything in it if you want. Adding a menu was what yer wanted though :)
[03:19] <_Shade_> i have downloaded tightvnc on windows already.
[03:20] <seanpcrowe|> runlevelten, to to able to "right click wastebin >>>> shred files" would be pretty neat...
[03:20] <seanpcrowe|> BUT...
[03:20] <runlevelten> exactamundo :)
[03:20] <seanpcrowe|> if i can do what u say easily enough, then perhaps i should do that...
[03:21] <snikker> the CPU used by X.org is about 90% when i visit a web sites that use js (script.aculo.us  js) how can i solve this?
[03:21] <seanpcrowe|> only thing is runlevelten, i can see no shred or similar function when i explore the wastebin...
[03:21] <runlevelten> snikker: turn off js and only switch it on for sites which need it and don't do it crappily :)
[03:22] <runlevelten> drop the files on the shredder
[03:22] <_Shade_> stdin: there are some apps by default out there - krdc, krfb
[03:22] <snikker> runlevelten: yes, i know that i can disable js, the problem is that i need it enabled...
[03:23] <The_Machine> just burned an iso image and wanted to test it in vmware, but when i put the CDROM into my drive it doesn't seem to be automounted or automatically recognized by kubuntu.  How can i manually make it "seen" by the OS?  (I'm used to having this automatically done for me)
[03:23] <seanpcrowe|> lulz runlevelten, i am seeing no shredder at all (i'm failing badly >.<)
[03:24] <runlevelten> Did you install the shredder when you started kgpg?
[03:24] <runlevelten> snikker: try different browsers for heavy javascript pages.
[03:24] <stimulus> Hello people.
[03:24] <stimulus> Does anybody fancy making my website look better?
[03:25] <Azzco> Can someone help me get this guitar controller to work I'm a bit stuck
[03:25] <seanpcrowe|> runlevelten, i installed kgpg via adept manager... i ended up with a encryption utilite... but no mention of a sredder...
[03:25] <runlevelten> ie: when I use a heavy js page I choose Location  Open with  whatever
[03:25] <runlevelten> seanpcrowe|: the first run wizard installs a gui shredder for you
[03:25] <snikker> runlevelten: i've tried with firefox and opera, but nothing change...
[03:25] <Azzco> I'll just try rebooting
[03:26] <runlevelten> what page, snikker?
[03:26] <seanpcrowe|> nope runlevelten, didnt... i will uninstall and reinstall to see if it works then...
[03:27] <snikker> it's a local page... just a moment that i search for an on-line page...
[03:27] <runlevelten> seanpcrowe|: you need to choose to
[03:27] <seanpcrowe|> kgpg looks like a key managment app and nothing more... mmmmm... perhaps i am installing the wrong thing
[03:28] <richips> How can I remove the last 3D accelerator driver installment I tried and start a new clean one for my ATI Radeon?
[03:29] <richips> It's all messed up...
[03:29] <richips> I have the Mesa Drivers, but no 3D direct rendering.
[03:29] <code_x> hello, i need some help on setting up wirless can someone point me to the ndiskwrapper how to ?
[03:29] <richips> And trying the wiki method doesn't work.
[03:29] <richips> !ndiswrapper
[03:30] <runlevelten> kgpg is a integrated gpg software, that comes with a nice little shredder utility.
[03:31] <adenicio> i want to watch videos in streamin buit firefox need real player but it cant install wath could i do?
[03:31] <stdin> code_x: see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[03:31] <adenicio> runlevelten: ???
[03:31] <runlevelten> You choose to install it in the first run wizard when it asks you if you want to install the shredder?
[03:31] <snikker> runlevelten: http://www.huddletogether.com/projects/lightbox2/  (clik on an image)
[03:31] <code_x> thanks
[03:31] <adenicio> runlevelten: yes then it said no plugin was install
[03:32] <slougi> snikker: that works ok for me, around 10% cpu taken by X
[03:32] <BluesKaj> is there an official "Icon" theat comes with acidrip ? mine is missing
[03:33] <runlevelten> snikker: yeah, it's fine for me - using konqy.
[03:33] <spiroo> hello
[03:33] <snikker> slougi: what graphic card did you have? i go up to 96%
[03:33] <seanpcrowe|> runlevelten> You choose to install it in the first run wizard when it asks you if you want to install the shredder <---- no, it just appeared in my utilities menu runlevelten...
[03:34] <snikker> runlevelten: what graphic card did you have? i go up to 96%
[03:34] <spiroo> I got serious problems with Gutsy when I was booting today as usual. The grpahic card and screen does not wanna come along I guess. And this is because nVidia drivers or a core problem when I was update.
[03:34] <runlevelten> snikker: it goes up to 34% or so and back down to 1.7% almost immediately.
[03:34] <slougi> snikker: a built in intel one
[03:34] <slougi> gm945 i think or something like that
[03:35] <spiroo> The screen light blinks alla the time after the loading bar have exit, just where nVidia logo is showed up.
[03:35] <runlevelten> well firstly, kgpg -X <filename> shreds stuff.
[03:35] <snikker> slougi: i've got an nvidia with nvidia official drivers... :-(
[03:35] <slougi> snikker: what cpu?
[03:36] <spiroo> This happened after an update/upgrade in adept
[03:36] <snikker> slougi: amd64 4000+
[03:36] <snikker> slougi: what could be the problem?
[03:36] <spiroo> But, it has always been working before, not sure why me just now
[03:36] <slougi> snikker: hmm interesting, do you maybe use beryl or compiz?
[03:36] <adenicio> stdin: how do i install real player for linux?
[03:37] <snikker> slougi: yes, i've beryl installed... but it's not running now...
[03:37] <runlevelten> secondly, you can change first run to true in ~/.kde/share/config/kgpgrc and get the opportunity to put the shredder icon on your desktop again if you need it :)
[03:37] <stdin> adenicio: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RealplayerInstallationMethods
[03:37] <runlevelten> or you can make a shortcut yourself if you can do that.
[03:37] <slougi> snikker: no idea really, sorry
[03:37] <snikker> slougi: ok. thanks...
[03:37] <slougi> snikker: you could try profiling to see where the time is spent
[03:37] <spiroo> anyone know about the latest updates for gutsy which destroyed my computer? :D
[03:38] <snikker> slougi: i've not idea how to do it... can you help me?
[03:38] <spiroo> i think it is like linux-image or anything like it
[03:39] <runlevelten> thirdly, you could add it to the recycle bin's context menu, but it would probably be better as a clickable icon or menu entry, then you could avoid creating a nasty kludge to get it on there :)
[03:39] <slougi> snikker: i wish i had some more time, but i can't walk you through it just now, but if you're up to it you can google for example oprofile
[03:39] <runlevelten> s/recycle /waste/
[03:39] <slougi> snikker: also the xorg mailing list is pretty friendly, if you want to go straight to them to ask
[03:39] <spiroo> runlevelten, stdin: Anything you know about monitor changes in last updates?
[03:40] <seanpcrowe|> runlevelten, ok dude i will try that, but, i have been poisoned by winblows so how do i get to ~/.kde/share/config/kgpgrc ???
[03:40] <seanpcrowe|> lulz
[03:40] <snikker> slougi: ok, i'll do as you said... thanks :-)
[03:40] <stdin> spiroo: asked in #ubuntu+1 ?
[03:40] <slougi> snikker: no problem =)
[03:40] <maher> hello
[03:40] <runlevelten> just press alt + F2 and drop this in there :)
[03:40] <runlevelten> kate ~/.kde/share/config/kgpgrc
[03:40] <seanpcrowe|> awesome =)
[03:41] <spiroo> nope guess I have to do. I ***** hate this. God is really against me, he does not want me to use linux. Maybe the god is Bill gates? .D
[03:41] <runlevelten> spiroo: If Bill Gates were God, you think air would be free?
[03:42] <spiroo> haha marbe not, but who knows ;P
[03:42] <seanpcrowe|> runlevelten, ok i got this, but there is no reference to first run... http://rafb.net/p/SPZdaX84.html
[03:42] <adenicio> stdin: how do i add " deb http://archive.canonical.com/ubuntu dapper-commercial main" to my repos?
[03:43] <runlevelten> [General Options] 
[03:43] <runlevelten> First run=false
[03:43] <runlevelten> haha, true even
[03:43] <seanpcrowe|> rofl
[03:43] <seanpcrowe|> kk... i'll do that
[03:44] <seezer> adenicio: through "manage repositories" in adept manager or by adding the line to /etc/apt/sources.list
[03:44] <stdin> adenicio: you add it to the 3rd part software tab in adept, but change "dapper-commercial" to the right version, eg "feisty-commercial"
[03:45] <maher> asdasd
[03:46] <seanpcrowe|> runlevelten, \o/
[03:46] <adenicio> stdin: change dapper-commercial" to the right version, eg "feisty-commercial that part i dont understand
[03:47] <seanpcrowe|> you have provin your self a gentleman and a scholar yet once again...
[03:47] <seanpcrowe|> lol, thx dude =)
[03:47] <stdin> adenicio: are you on feisty edgy or dapper ?
[03:47] <adenicio> stdin: feisty
[03:47] <stdin> adenicio: then change it to "feisty-commercial"
[03:48] <manchicken> Anybody know how to change what time backup manager kicks off?
[03:48] <elite101> anyone here use the multi-protocal messenger "pidgin"?
[03:48] <elite101> instead of kopete?
[03:49] <manchicken> elite101: I've used it before.  Why?
[03:49] <elite101> ahh is it any good?
[03:49] <adenicio> stdin: evi try to change it it crashese
[03:50] <manchicken> elite101: I prefer Kopete.
[03:50] <elite101> like real "msn"? i need an msn messenger that can make audio conversation
[03:50] <elite101> in kopete its only webcam
[03:50] <elite101> i tried kopete/aMSN
[03:50] <manchicken> elite101: I don't know if kopete lets you do that or not.
[03:50] <adenicio> stdin: i tink it because of this update thing
[03:50] <manchicken> err, pidgin
[03:50] <emonkey-p> afaik there is no linux audio msn client
[03:50] <seanpcrowe|> mmmm, doesn't seem to be much HDD activity when droped into the shredder... but i'm sure it works...
[03:51] <elite101> no it doesnt so i have been trying like alot of messengers
[03:51] <manchicken> I know that pidgin is still called gaim in feisty though, if you want to try it out.
[03:51] <elite101> yeah
[03:51] <elite101> well i just downloaded it now
[03:51] <manchicken> Give it a shot.
[03:52] <elite101> my as well
[03:54] <elite101> lol its weird in the folder where pidgin was extracted there is a text file that says "hacking" ?? and a link saying for hacking pidgin please visit...
[03:57] <mrksbrd> I need to edit my sources list, where would i give permissions to myself to be able to edit it????????????
[03:57] <SlimeyPete> use sudo.
[03:58] <SlimeyPete> "sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list" or "kdesu kate /etc/apt/sources.list", or similar if you us ea different editor
[03:58] <mrksbrd> ok ty
[04:01] <runlevelten> seanpcrowe|: to shred and empty your wastebin:
[04:07] <lire> bonjour
[04:07] <runlevelten> http://pastebin.com/m4f15d943
[04:07] <runlevelten> seanpcrowe|: ^
[04:09] <lire> hallo
[04:10] <lire> i use ubuntu 6.06 and have a problem with apache; any apache expert here please?
[04:12] <seanpcrowe|> runlevelten, awesome dude... thx a bunch... =)
[04:12] <Assid> lire: always mention what the error is too
[04:12] <runlevelten> np
[04:12] <lire> when i type this command: /etc/init.d/apache2 force-reload
[04:13] <lire> i got this error msg: * Forcing reload of apache 2.0 web server... grep: /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/koha-httpd.conf: none file or directory of that type
[04:13] <Assid> lire: an im guessing you checked whether that file exists?
[04:13] <runlevelten> Oh quick caveat seanpcrowe| - when you shred, directory names can be (potentially) recoverable.
[04:13] <runlevelten> Just so you know.
[04:13] <Assid> yo rl
[04:14] <runlevelten> hey Assid. How goes man?
[04:14] <lire> my aim is not to check that file; i just want to start apache server
[04:14] <Assid> not bad.. helping my bro pickup a laptop.. and i gotta get some work done
[04:14] <seanpcrowe|> kk runlevelten, have been reading up on suecure shreadding today in work... thats good to know
[04:15] <lire> lire: eererrer
[04:15] <Assid> you apparently modified the httpd .. and therefore informed it to see that file. if you did.. you now have to make sure that file exists and has the config you want
[04:15] <Assid> ELSE .. put back the original httpd.conf file or any other config file
[04:15] <Assid> hrmm i better pay the isp their cheque and soon
[04:16] <runlevelten> encrypted loops for the win though.
[04:16] <runlevelten> they shred just lovely.
[04:16] <Assid> encrypted loops?
[04:16] <Assid> wtf.. someone elighten me
[04:18] <TheCreationist> Is it possible to remote connect with vncviewer without announcing to the host that you've connected?
[04:18] <runlevelten> Oh God, I just went to put SG1 on, and keyed in 166 instead of 106. MacGyver came on, so I got Jack O. N. with a puzzling blond mullet.
[04:19] <genii> BluesKaj: MacGyverese
[04:20] <runlevelten> *#kubuntu-offtopic
[04:21] <BluesKaj> yup, i'm there
[04:21] <Assid> hrmm
[04:22] <Assid> i need a good FTP client
[04:22] <spiroo__> KFTPGrabber
[04:22] <aaron__> Assid: filezilla
[04:22] <Assid> i wish flashfxp was for linux
[04:22] <BluesKaj> FF has a decent one from all reports
[04:22] <aaron__> I use winscp under wine. but don't tell anyone.
[04:22] <RurouniJones> Heresy!
[04:23] <Assid> FF ?
[04:23] <Assid> firefox ?
[04:23] <spiroo__> yes ff is firefox
[04:23] <Assid> im used to flashfxp.. brilliant under windows.. but reports are sketchy for wine support
[04:23] <spiroo__> But the actual acronyme is FX and not FF
[04:24] <spiroo__> smartftp is the greatest in windows :P
[04:24] <BluesKaj> get off the pot spiroo__ , no one refers to fireFox as FX . it's FF
[04:24] <spiroo__> no, look on W3C for yourself.
[04:24] <spiroo__> FF is wrong
[04:24] <Assid> nah.. flashfxp ftw.. but i need  something under nix
[04:25] <spiroo__> use KFTPGRABBER. I lovei t
[04:25] <BluesKaj> no matter , the vernacular is what most ppl use here
[04:25] <aaron__> Assid: or filezilla. or gftp.
[04:25] <TheCreationist> Is it possible to remote connect with vncviewer without announcing to the host that you've connected?
[04:25] <spiroo__> BluesKay: No
[04:25] <spiroo__> :D
[04:25] <Assid> i tried kasablanca.. it aint bad.. but lots of features missing
[04:25] <runlevelten> You use winscp under wine?
[04:25] <aaron__> yes.
[04:26] <slougi> ouch
[04:26] <slougi> :)
[04:26] <slougi> why not konqueror with fish:// or sftp:// ?
[04:26] <aaron__> because i don't want to use konq with fish:// or sftp://
[04:26] <spiroo__> btw. FTP in Linux is far away than using FTP in Windows
[04:26] <runlevelten> That's... that's like using wine to run minesweeper on windows...
[04:27] <spiroo__> *far away faster ;P
[04:27] <BluesKaj> spiroo__, ok I bt if you start using the FX reference, most users will ask you what you mean, but if you use FF , most will know you are referring to FireFox and won't ask you :)
[04:27] <spiroo__> I mean the transfer not the application
[04:27] <aaron__> It's fine for the litlte bit I use it.
[04:27] <slougi> aaron__: any particular reason? just out of interest.
[04:27] <aaron__> because I'm also a windows network admin. i like to keep it the same when i can.
[04:27] <Assid> i like queues and stuff
[04:27] <aaron__> and there's nothing wrong with it.
[04:27] <spiroo__> BluesKaj: I know what FF is, but the correct thing is FX trust me
[04:27] <Assid> and the proxy nat support etc on flashfxp just rocks!
[04:28] <spiroo__> hehe not any features I need :P
[04:28] <spiroo__> Just want to connect and transfer fast ;P
[04:28] <BluesKaj> doesn't matter , most will think you are talking about "effects" as in the movie "FX"
[04:28] <aaron__> i also use outlook 2003 w/ crossover office. there's nothing in linux that compares.
[04:29] <runlevelten> Well each to their own, but I still think you're bonkers.
[04:29] <Assid> hehehe
[04:29] <slougi> aaron__: i've no problem with that, but i agree with runlevelten on the winscp bit
[04:29] <spiroo__> Anyway BluesKaj: As I work with webdesign and webdevelopment I know, but sure I could use FF in just this channel if you want :D
[04:29] <slougi> :)
[04:29] <spiroo__> openoffice?
[04:30] <spiroo__> aaron__: openoffice then?
[04:30] <slougi> it's not really as good as ms office
[04:30] <runlevelten> aaron__: SSH on windows tends to boil down to a few half-boiled ports of really great unix utilities, so you can see why I'd be shocked. :)
[04:30] <BluesKaj> use what you want , I'm pointing out that common usage usually overrides official names :)
[04:30] <aaron__> spiroo__: an outlook replacement isn't a part of openoffice.
[04:30] <runlevelten> slougi: the trial of ms office forbids copy and paste to other apps. It got worse than notepad the second they had that idea.
[04:30] <spiroo__> BluesKaj: I know but I am trying to change on that ;P But sure FF if you want so
[04:31] <slougi> runlevelten: heh wow
[04:31] <aaron__> runlevelten: show me something that's like or better than winscp and i'd happily evaluate it.
[04:31] <slougi> runlevelten: still, ms office is faster, more stable, nicer looking, easier to use, and more versatile than openoffice, at least according to my experience.
[04:31] <runlevelten> No business I know of can afford to have its information held hostage for any reason. Nice of Microsoft to give a heads-up in we can see during a feasibility test though.
[04:31] <slougi> i really really deterst oo.o
[04:31] <lire> assid: i've found the solution
[04:31] <slougi> detest*
[04:31] <lire> thanks
[04:31] <spiroo__> aaron__: There is better email clients. I was also comparing windows software with linux software in the beginning. but I have discovered thata there is better software in Linux, ususally anyway :P
[04:32] <spiroo__> And try Thunderbird then maybe?
[04:32] <runlevelten> slougi: all agreed - but if the information can be held hostage like that, what alternatives are they offering?
[04:32] <aaron__> thunderbird is pale in comparison.
[04:32] <Assid> outlook ?
[04:32] <Assid> err.. if you wanna compare against outlook you can always try out evolution
[04:32] <runlevelten> depends what for, though
[04:32] <slougi> runlevelten: i see your point and agree, but it just is impossible to use openoffice sometimes
[04:33] <aguitel> how to add session in kubuntu like in gnome?
[04:33] <spiroo__> aaron__: hehe maybe
[04:33] <crube> For some reason when I log into Fluxbox it doesn't mount my external HD. What does Kubuntu use for this? I need to know so I can run it in fluxbox aswell
[04:33] <slougi> runlevelten: for all of my own stuff i use mostly lyx anyway
[04:33] <runlevelten> slougi: openoffice export ruined my resume once, did I mention that?
[04:33] <slougi> runlevelten: no, but you did now ;)
[04:33] <aaron__> i don't like all of the damn carats that email clients stick in there. outlook keeps the conversation clean and nice. 30 replies into an email with something like thunderbird, and you can't read your mail because of all of the >>>>>
[04:33] <runlevelten> I found a bug which only manifested itself in one instance, and ended up mailing a broken layout.
[04:34] <aaron__> i know that those are RFC compliant, but i don't care. it's annoying
[04:34] <Assid> aaron_: you can modify that
[04:34] <runlevelten> aaron__: You can adjust those.
[04:34] <NickPresta> aaron_, there are various extensions for Thunderbird which allow for "clean quotes"
[04:34] <runlevelten> I've known companies where outlook is banned, actually, heh.
[04:34] <Assid> actually i need one of those
[04:34] <aaron__> NickPresta: its ugle for the other half too
[04:34] <Assid> err.. outlook causes way too many issues for me
[04:35] <runlevelten> aaron__: what is it you like in scp?
[04:35] <slougi> personally just use kontact/kmail ;)
[04:35] <Assid> 1 single folder for all my emails ? damn scary though
[04:35] <slougi> seems to work pretty well
[04:35] <Assid> err.. single file
[04:35] <Assid> if the pst gets corrupt.. which it does..  you lose everything
[04:35] <runlevelten> kmail is a dream once you're used to it.
[04:35] <Assid> err.. i tried kmail runlevelten
[04:35] <runlevelten> Especially for the integration and the configurability.
[04:35] <slougi> runlevelten: well, it does have its bugs
[04:35] <Assid> had to move back to thunderbird
[04:35] <Assid> i mean its nice.. brilliantly fast..
[04:36] <Assid> but wayy too many issues for me
[04:36] <slougi> Assid: like what?
[04:36] <runlevelten> what issues man?
[04:36] <aaron__> runlevelten: i don't know really.
[04:36] <slougi> i haven't had any big ones
[04:36] <NickPresta> I don't like Thunderbird anymore either. I much prefer KMail to TB.
[04:36] <Assid> first and foremost.. multiple pop accounts dont have seperate root folders
[04:36] <slougi> Assid: that's very easy to fix
[04:36] <runlevelten> aaron__: I assume you're aware that you can attach an ssh folder in KDE and use it like a folder or webdav thingy?
[04:37] <aaron__> runlevelten: yes.
[04:37] <aaron__> i just use it for light file transfer now and then.
[04:37] <runlevelten> and what didn't you like about that?
[04:37] <aaron__> i have a vpn between the places i need.
[04:37] <Assid> runlevelten: not if it uses an identity file
[04:37] <spiroo__> seems like outlook is better kind a :D
[04:37] <Assid> slougi: make a folder inside and use rules?
[04:37] <runlevelten> Assid: I have different folders for different pop accounts
[04:38] <runlevelten> No, you specify it in the account's settings.
[04:38] <Assid> runlevelten: seperate root folders?
[04:38] <slougi> Assid: for instance
[04:38] <runlevelten> ie thisaddress@blah.com with inbox trash sent etc, thataddress@blah.com with...
[04:39] <Assid> slougi:  yeah i know i can have a seperate inbox per account.. but i want it at the root level.. like how you do for imap accounts
[04:39] <lieke> i have a problem with installing ubuntu
[04:39] <lieke> someone who can help me plz??
[04:39] <runlevelten> Assid: "local folders" is a mechanism to separate it from searches, etc.
[04:39] <Assid> probably
[04:39] <crube> For some reason when I log into Fluxbox it doesn't mount my external HD. What does Kubuntu use for this? I need to know so I can run it in fluxbox aswell. It's not it fstab, so I'm quessing it's some program
[04:39] <spiroo__> lieke: what is the problem?
[04:40] <slougi> lieke: just ask, don't ask to ask ;)
[04:40] <lieke> well, when i"m buzzy installing, it stops at 70%
[04:40] <Assid> i dont know. im gonn wait for kmail to fix those bugs.. till then.. thunderbird seems to do the task
[04:40] <Assid> its slower tho.. thats waht i dont like about thunderbird
[04:40] <TheCreationist> Is it possible to remote connect with vncviewer without announcing to the host that you've connected?
[04:40] <Assid> its soooo much more faster under windows :|
[04:40] <runlevelten> I don't think the local folders paradigm is going anywhere to be honest...
[04:41] <spiroo__> lieke, what happends on 70 percent?
[04:41] <lieke> it stops and it isnt installed
[04:41] <lieke> the window is gone
[04:41] <lieke> i checked the cd on faults
[04:41] <aaron__> problems with kmail: replies at the bottom, and the damn carats.
[04:41] <Assid> i wish they do something about the speeds in tbird.. its freaking slow
[04:41] <lieke> faults = errors
[04:41] <spiroo__> uhm, maybe corrupt data on your linux CD?
[04:41] <slougi> Assid: the firefox/thunderbird code base is pretty horrible, at some point i looked at how difficult it would be to add qt support to firefox (there used to be support for this many moons ago), it was ridiculously difficult
[04:41] <Assid> aaron_:  you can change that
[04:41] <lieke> no i checked for errors
[04:42] <Assid> slougi: didnt even know thats possible
[04:42] <spiroo__> Hmm not sure if it just crashes like that. Could be anything. Which dist?
[04:42] <lieke> kubuntu
[04:42] <Assid> man my compiz benchmark just goes slower and slower
[04:42] <spiroo__> Gutsy, Feisty?
[04:42] <Assid> hold on.. jumpting to kwin
[04:42] <slougi> Assid: that's how they do cross-platform support, they abstract everything away under a layer of c++ and javascript, the codebase is very crufty
[04:42] <lieke> now i booted from the cd and it shows the login window
[04:43] <lieke> feisty yes
[04:43] <spiroo__> hmm, not quite sure, what that could depends on, anyone else know?
[04:43] <lieke> whats the password for the login window, spiroo__
[04:43] <maverick_> guys, i always forget this command...the one which outputs the system devices logs...someone could remind me?
[04:44] <Assid> one sec.. rerstarting X
[04:44] <slougi> maverick_: dmesg ?
[04:45] <lieke> password for the login window with username ubuntu? someone?
[04:45] <slougi> lieke: what do you mean?
[04:45] <lieke> i booted from the cd. normally it goes to kde without asking for a login but now suddenly it does...?
[04:46] <spiroo__> what? should not ask for password
[04:46] <lieke> indeed, strange hey?
[04:46] <slougi> lieke: it probably installed ok and you booted from hd
[04:46] <spiroo__> Now I really not know. Yes very strange
[04:46] <slougi> there's really no way the livecd asks for a password
[04:46] <spiroo__> slougi, maybe
[04:46] <Assid> hrmm
[04:46] <lieke> i tried to login from lieke but it failed
[04:46] <Assid> apparetly didnt need to eeven do that
[04:46] <runlevelten> If you haven't installed, it sounds like a corrupt CD or a stuffed up drive to me.
[04:47] <Assid> just jump to kwin and backl
[04:47] <aaron__> i don't see where to remove the carat'ing in kmail. anyone help?
[04:47] <lieke> i copied the cd already 5 times
[04:47] <slougi> aaron__: for quoting previous mails?
[04:47] <lieke> ^^
[04:47] <aaron__> yeah.
[04:48] <lieke> i reboot now and try again
[04:48] <slougi> aaron__: in the settings composer sheet -> templates tab
[04:48] <aaron__> k
[04:49] <slougi> there's quote indicator etc.
[04:49] <slougi> click on "How does this work?" for help ;)
[04:50] <aaron__> slougi: cool. i didn't see that those are tab thingers.
[04:50] <aaron__> :)
[04:50] <slougi> aaron__: yeah i had that widget myself as well
[04:50] <slougi> toolbox i think it is called
[04:51] <lieke> it's booting normal guys!
[04:51] <lieke> i press the installbutton ^^
[04:51] <lieke> once!
[04:52] <lieke> my friend told me to make a bootpartition, is this necessary
[04:53] <aaron__> kmail won't let you NOT have a quote indicator.
[04:53] <lieke> ?
[04:53] <voidmage> My installer is stuck at "Running grub-install (hd0) 94%"
[04:53] <voidmage> is that the last thing it does
[04:53] <voidmage> and if so, is it safe to kill ubiquity and run it myself?
[04:53] <maverick_> slougi: yess,,, thnx
[04:53] <lumark> can you help me with adept??
[04:54] <lieke> voidmage, mine is also!
[04:54] <lieke> at the normal install
[04:54] <ubuntu_> www.aol.de
[04:55] <lieke> do i have to make a bootpartition?
[04:56] <BluesKaj> aol germany ...gawd
[04:56] <Artimus> lieke: As in for /boot?
[04:56] <brendan___> Hello, i have a nfs mounted /home, with works great, except that there is a link to /home on anyones desktop who logges into the computer
[04:56] <brendan___> is there a way to dissable this?
[04:56] <voidmage> anyone know what to do about ubiquity being stuck at 94% grub-install?
[04:56] <lieke> yes
[04:56] <lieke> Artimus, yes as in for /boot
[04:57] <brendan___> voidmage, how long has it been at 94%
[04:57] <voidmage> about 10 minutes
[04:57] <voidmage> maybe longer
[04:57] <Artimus> lieke: I'd recommend *NOT* making a separate boot partition.  It just adds complexity and ways for things to go wrong
[04:58] <lieke> okey! thanks ^^
[04:58] <BluesKaj> lieke, boot partition ? you  mean bootloader like grub ?
[04:58] <runlevelten> brendan___: alt + F2  Desktop  Behaviour  Device Icons and uncheck "Mounted NFS shares"
[04:58] <Artimus> BluesKaj: No, mounting /boot on its own partition
[04:58] <BluesKaj> not a good idea
[04:58] <runlevelten> or similar entry.
[04:59] <Artimus> BluesKaj: It's an ok practice, it won't hurt anything if you know what you're doing.  "If you're unsure if you need a separate boot partition, then you don't need one"
[04:59] <lieke> is gentoo more difficult than ubuntu? becuz otherwise i install gentoo
[04:59] <BluesKaj> the bootloader does use the first 512 bytes on the HDD from what I've read , but using a partition
[05:00] <NickPresta> I have a mysql account that I created when I compiled mysql from source. I would like to keep this account but I don't want it to show in the user list. I want it to be part of the "system accounts". How can I do this?
[05:00] <Artimus> lieke: Slightly more difficult.  However, Ubuntu takes me about 30 minutes to install.  Gentoo about 3 hours.
[05:00] <voidmage> what's the command to see what processes are using a file?
[05:00] <Artimus> voidmage: perhaps lsof
[05:00] <BluesKaj> lieke, whynot go visit gentoo then , we support kubuntu here
[05:00] <lieke> ok, but Artimus, the installer failed for the 6th times and i'm busy for 3 hours soooo....
[05:01] <Artimus> lieke: Where did it fail?
[05:01] <brendan___> voidmage, fuser for a specific file
[05:01] <voidmage> hmm.
[05:01] <voidmage> why is grub-install STILL running
[05:01] <lieke> but i want ubuntu! not gentoo
[05:01] <Artimus> lieke: Where did the (K)ubuntu installer fail?
[05:01] <lieke> always at another place
[05:01] <brendan___> voidmage, you could use strace and see what its doing
[05:01] <runlevelten> lieke - are you trying to install to a dell optiplex?
[05:01] <Artimus> Sounds like a bad disk.  Reburn the CD.
[05:01] <lieke> sometimes at 70%, sometimes at 30...
[05:01] <brendan___> voidmage, strace -p PID
[05:01] <voidmage> it's a cd from shipit.
[05:02] <brendan___> voidmage, where PID is the pid of grub-install
[05:02] <lieke> no runlevelten, on a benq
[05:02] <BluesKaj> lieke, this is Kubuntu , you want Ubuntu type, /join #ubuntu
[05:02] <lieke> no its kubuntu, typo
[05:03] <runlevelten> !begentle
[05:03] <Artimus> I'm gussing badly downloaded ISO, badly burned cd, or scratched cd
[05:03] <Artimus> I'm off, migrating my Debian box to Kubuntu
[05:03] <lieke> no Artimus, i checked the cd for errors
[05:03] <lieke> and i copied already 6 times Artimus
[05:03] <lieke> !!
[05:03] <runlevelten> or strange mobo chipset.
[05:03] <Artimus> lieke: Did you verify th DOWNLOAD?
[05:04] <lieke> no not realy
[05:04] <lieke> from site do you download
[05:04] <brendan___> runlevelten, thanks allot
[05:04] <runlevelten> lieke: well that's zero checking done then.
[05:04] <runlevelten> brendan___: No probs at all :)
[05:04] <lieke> how do you check?
[05:04] <lieke> runlevelten?
[05:04] <Assid> hrmm
[05:04] <Assid> kftpgrabber seems nice
[05:05] <Assid> so far
[05:05] <Artimus> lieke: What OS is on the box that has the .iso downloaded?
[05:05] <lieke> windows xp
[05:05] <lieke> i have the md5sum
[05:05] <voidmage> it was so messed up i had to reboot
[05:05] <runlevelten> http://bw.releases.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/feisty/MD5SUMS
[05:05] <voidmage> guess i'm starting this over again
[05:05] <lieke> i have this site runlevelten ^^
[05:05] <Artimus> lieke: runlevelten gave you the link to the MD5sums.  Download that file to the same folder as your ISO.  Then download this: http://www.toast442.org/md5/
[05:06] <runlevelten> lieke: you cannot use an md5sum from a website to check. There is NO way you just ran an md5sum check on the iso between those two lines.
[05:06] <lieke> tnx Artimus
[05:06] <lieke> tnx runlevelten
[05:06] <runlevelten> lieke: No probs at all.
[05:07] <runlevelten> lieke: It's possible you have screwy hardware, you know. Where did you say it was freezing?
[05:07] <Artimus> lieke: Best of luck.  I'll probably be back on IRC in a few minutes while Kubuntu is installing if you need further help.  Just leave me a message in the channel with my name in it.
[05:07] <lieke> at different places (70% , 30%)
[05:07] <lieke> tnx arti
[05:07] <voidmage> can i strace a running process?
[05:08] <runlevelten> lieke: Do you have an i810 or unichrome integrated GPU?
[05:09] <lieke> runlevelten, i 950 or nvidia
[05:09] <runlevelten> and does it spit an error at you, or does the display unceremoniously die?
[05:09] <runlevelten> or something else?
[05:10] <lieke> it dies
[05:10] <NickPresta> !away | kaminix
[05:10] <runlevelten> goes black?
[05:10] <NickPresta> ubot =(
[05:10] <runlevelten> and does the machine reboot at that point?
[05:11] <lieke> no,goes desktop
[05:11] <lieke> no, runlevelten
[05:11] <kaminix> NickPresta: What?
[05:11] <runlevelten>  so the screen doesn't go black or anything?
[05:11] <lieke> the download is correct, checksum maches, runlevelten
[05:11] <lieke> no runlevelten, it goes to desktop
[05:13] <BluesKaj> !ubotu
[05:13] <lieke> runlevelten, can i click the installbutton or do you know the problem?
[05:13] <lieke> artimus, the md5sum is correct
[05:13] <runlevelten> lieke: are you able to paste the output of tail -n 100 /var/log/installer/syslog into pastebin?
[05:13] <Artimus> lieke: bummer
[05:13] <runlevelten> and provide me with the URL
[05:14] <BluesKaj> I guess ubotu is off line ATM ...dunno why . I assume the ops are working on it.
[05:14] <runlevelten> ubotu's having an operation.
[05:14] <BluesKaj> heh
[05:14] <BluesKaj> brain transplant ?
[05:14] <Artimus> I rather like this livecd installer.  Konsole, Kopete, and Konqueror are nice to have while installing.
[05:14] <lieke> but i have to leave the gui to use the comment and then i cant login again
[05:15] <runlevelten> leave the gui?
[05:15] <runlevelten> You should start an x terminal
[05:15] <lieke> no its okay sorry, runlevelten
[05:16] <runlevelten> np :)
[05:16] <lieke> okay and what do you want to know?
[05:16] <lieke> runlevelten, what do you want to know
[05:16] <runlevelten> paste the output of tail -n 100 /var/log/installer/syslog into pastebin.com and give the url you end up at
[05:17] <Artimus> Does anyone use package sources other than the standard Ubuntu ones?  Right now, the only other source I've got is for Wine.  I'm wondering if there are any other popular choices.
[05:17] <code_x> hello, i need help setting up ndiswrapper, can any point me to a how to ?
[05:17] <lieke> okey tnx runlevelten
[05:17] <Assid> damn
[05:17] <Assid> someone wanna help me move 140 domains across servers ;)
[05:17] <Assid> hehe
[05:18] <lieke> http://pastebin.com/d6b0221cd
[05:19] <code_x> how do i get my wireless setup ?
[05:19] <lieke> runlevelten, http://pastebin.com/d6b0221cd
[05:19] <thedeath> hola buenas
[05:19] <thedeath> alguien que able espaol?
[05:20] <runlevelten> You don't have /var/log/installer/syslog?
[05:20] <lieke> no, runlevelten
[05:20] <stdin> thedeath:  Si busca ayuda en Espaol por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendr mas ayuda.
[05:20] <lieke> the mapinstaller doesn't exists
[05:20] <runlevelten> Si busca ayuda en Espaol por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendr mas ayuda.
[05:20] <NickPresta> Artimus, I use the Medibuntu source, trevino, and the Subpixel Fonts rendering package,
[05:20] <thedeath> gracias
[05:21] <Artimus> NickPresta: Yeah, I just found Medibuntu hrough google, I'm glad I don't have to build those myself.
[05:21] <lieke> runlevelten, i didn't installed yet, maybe that's why it doesnt exist
[05:22] <runlevelten> o, is this a fresh boot?
[05:22] <lieke> yes
[05:22] <runlevelten> Heh :)
[05:22] <runlevelten> Well let's try and get that file after the install fails without rebooting :)
[05:22] <lieke> i asked you if i had to press the installbutton ^^
[05:22] <BluesKaj> Artimus, there's also Seveas and if you really wanna load up the sources try source-o-matic
[05:22] <lieke> okey  runlevelten ^^
[05:23] <BluesKaj> !source-o-matic
[05:23] <lieke> sorry :s
[05:23] <runlevelten> a webpage where you can (re)generate your sources.list - http://www.ubuntu-nl.org/source-o-matic
[05:23] <runlevelten> nothing to be sorry for at all, matey
[05:23] <aguitel> is there something wrong coexist adep with synaptic ?
[05:24] <NickPresta> aguitel, nope.
[05:24] <BluesKaj> no, both can co-exist , aguitel
[05:25] <jussi01> you just cant run them both at the same time
[05:25] <lieke> it starte runlevelten
[05:25] <runlevelten> Good, good.
[05:26] <lieke> copying files...
[05:26] <aguitel> i am asking because when are to aplication in my desktop everytime when i try to open ( or adept or synaptic) nothing happens and in the seconds instance ( both works)
[05:27] <lieke> 37%...
[05:28] <lieke> go Guido!
[05:28] <lieke> (that's the name of my pc ^^)
[05:28] <voidmage> is it supposed to take a really long time to partition?
[05:28] <voidmage> I always forget, especially when dealing with laptops
[05:29] <lieke> runlevelten, it stopped at 54%!
[05:30] <lieke> now he only knows version runlevelten
[05:30] <lieke> i see /var/lo/installer/version
[05:30] <lieke> nothing else
[05:30] <trekdanne> how can I start a konsole without any kwin borders?
[05:30] <runlevelten> paste the output of tail -n 100 /var/log/installer/syslog into pastebin.com and give the url you end up at
[05:31] <lieke> he cannot open such file runlevelten
[05:31] <runlevelten> trekdanne, that's in the altf3 menu, i expect you can set a window-specific behaviour in kcontrol
[05:31] <runlevelten> try /var/log/syslog again then
[05:31] <lieke> ookee
[05:32] <lieke> okay! it works
[05:33] <ubuntu_> hola hay alguien de colombia
[05:33] <lieke> pastebin.com/d42ee847c runlevelten
[05:34] <runlevelten> Ouch. whaddya think of that, stdin?
[05:34] <stdin> not good, that's for sure
[05:35] <Tm_T> lieke: how much ram?
[05:35] <trekdanne> runlevelten: i was actually looking for some option to kstart or konsole itself so i could start it from the console
[05:35] <runlevelten> Looks like bad burns
[05:35] <lieke> 1024 i think
[05:35] <Tm_T> ok
[05:35] <lieke> it's a centrino 2
[05:35] <runlevelten> lieke: you may be burning coasters
[05:35] <lieke> what do you mean runlevelten?
[05:35] <Tm_T> lieke: you checked disc?
[05:36] <lieke> yes
[05:36] <Tm_T> ok
[05:36] <lieke> and the sum also
[05:36] <ubuntu_> alguien qu e hable espaol
[05:36] <Tm_T> !es | ubuntu_
[05:36] <Tm_T> gah
[05:36] <Tm_T> ubuntu_: #ubuntu-es
[05:36] <stdin> ubuntu_:   Si busca ayuda en Espaol por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendr mas ayuda.
[05:36] <Tm_T> stdin: haha
[05:37] <runlevelten> could be all sorts of stuff. Bad burns would be the nicest one. :(
[05:38] <stdin> hmm, now I need some milk to go with them...
[05:38] <lieke> but i tried to copy it already 6 times and on 2 different pcs :s
[05:38] <genii> !helpersnack | stdin
[05:38] <genii> Bah I forgot the bot is on holiday :)
[05:38] <Tm_T> lieke: try alternate install
[05:38] <stdin> stdin: Wow! You're such a great helper, you deserve a cookie! :p
[05:38] <lieke> how does that goes?
[05:38] <Tm_T> stdin: =)
[05:39] <runlevelten> hah
[05:40] <seanpcrowe> "Error opening/initializing the selected video_out (-vo) device." anyone encounter this before with mplayer?
[05:40] <lieke> this is my 7th cd, guys.. and i'm a student
[05:40] <lieke> burning at 4x
[05:40] <slougi> seanpcrowe: yes, it means the ouput plugin could not be initialised. which one are you using?
[05:40] <slougi> output
[05:40] <slougi> arg
[05:40] <stdin> seanpcrowe: try -vo xv
[05:40] <slougi> output*
[05:41] <seanpcrowe> lol slougi... how do i change the plugin,,, from within mplayer its self??
[05:41] <slougi> seanpcrowe: in the settings, i don't use it and don't quite recall
[05:42] <stdin> seanpcrowe: the settings are stored in ~/.mplayer/config
[05:42] <slougi> look for video output settings
[05:42] <seanpcrowe> kk guys...
[05:42] <slougi> stdin: aren't the settings for gmplayer in a different file though?
[05:42] <voidmage> hmm.
[05:42] <voidmage> now it's stuck at 94% configuring hardware
[05:42] <stdin> ~/.mplayer/gui.conf
[05:43] <runlevelten> mplayer configuration. now there be dragons :\
[05:43] <lieke> i will not sleep until kubuntu is installed!
[05:43] <seanpcrowe> ok i alt-F2 then "kate ~/.mplayer/gui.conf"
[05:44] <Fraction> anyone have an idea what might be wrong with my gfx card / driver? It shows glxgears and can display the opengl acceleradet screen savers, but if I try some other program ( for instance tuxkart) I get alot of flicker on the screen
[05:44] <seanpcrowe> ok guys this is what i got http://rafb.net/p/Cw6CBb86.html
[05:46] <stdin> seanpcrowe: see ' vo_driver = "xmga"' change it to ' vo_driver = "x11" '
[05:46] <seanpcrowe> ok...
[05:46] <seanpcrowe> what does that mean??? (changing it now)
[05:46] <Xera^> What driver should I be using with an ATi 9250 PCI card?
[05:47] <Xera^> FGLRX won't work
[05:47] <Xera^> X doesn't start. :/
[05:47] <stdin> seanpcrowe: you had it set to use the driver for "Matrox G200/G4x0/G550"
[05:47] <slougi> Xera^: the radeon driver
[05:47] <slougi> Xera^: fglrx doesn't support chips below r300
[05:47] <seanpcrowe> lol stdin...
[05:48] <slougi> seanpcrowe: also try xv in place of x11, it should be a bit faster and scale the content also
[05:48] <Xera^> slougi, you mean that crap driver made by ATi? :(
[05:48] <slougi> Xera^: fglrx is made by ati, the "radeon" driver comes with X
[05:48] <Xera^> oh
[05:48] <Xera^> :P
[05:48] <slougi> ;)
[05:48] <Blauhaut> hiyaaa
[05:49] <Blauhaut> guys my kubuntu is just mount the dvds
[05:49] <Blauhaut> not normal cds
[05:49] <seanpcrowe> same error... i will try "xv" now
[05:49] <elite101> Hey, im having sound problems i have a creative card and i cant seem to hear sound online? like on youtube or anything i can play songs on my computer and watch videos and hear them its just that online i cant hear anything neither on Konqueror/Firefox?
[05:50] <Blauhaut> seanpcrowe;  xv  ?
[05:50] <seanpcrowe> mmmm, when i change the setting, when i restart mplayer,,, it over writes the change back to the matrox one >.<
[05:50] <elite101> i think im going to have to uninstall firefox and re-install?
[05:50] <seanpcrowe> Blauhaut, a setting in mplayer...
[05:50] <Blauhaut> k
[05:51] <elite101> anyone have that problem b4? ^^^
[05:51] <slougi> elite101: what do you mean? youtube is online too
[05:51] <elite101> yeah but anything on the webbroswer
[05:51] <elite101> i can play videos ones i downloaded
[05:51] <stdin> seanpcrowe: you can set it in gmplayer, right-click it > preferences
[05:51] <elite101> and songs i downloaded its just when anything audio on the webbroswer is playing i cant hear it?
[05:52] <seanpcrowe> yeah, i am in the video part now stdin
[05:52] <elite101> i tried changing Kmix settings but nothing is working? is it both the browsers's? i tried Konqueror and Firefox...
[05:52] <seanpcrowe> and i see the matrox one there... but no way for me to manipulate it
[05:53] <lieke> guys,can i update an old version of kubuntu?
[05:53] <elite101> !upgrade
[05:53] <elite101> ......
[05:53] <stdin> seanpcrowe: just select the vx or x11 one
[05:53] <elite101> !update
[05:53] <elite101> xD
[05:53] <stdin> lieke: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes
[05:53] <stdin> elite101: not bot in here today
[05:54] <seanpcrowe> stdin, awesome dude... i do the sillyest things sometimes >.< lol
[05:54] <lieke> i caN?this is the end of my boyfriend 's live
[05:54] <seanpcrowe> thanks stdin & slougi =)
[05:54] <stdin> lieke: follow the link i gave you
[05:55] <lieke> i do
[05:55] <lieke> tnx stdin
[05:55] <Xera> 553 frames in 5.0 seconds = 110.574 FPS
[05:55] <Xera> That's less than what I was getting with the ati driver
[05:55] <Xera> :|
[05:56] <seanpcrowe> one last question guys... this one is even sillyer... where do i change the applications that open for filetypes?
[05:56] <stdin> seanpcrowe: in konqueror, settings > configure konqueror > file associations
[05:57] <stdin> seanpcrowe: or just right click the file and select "open with" then check the "Remember association for this type"
[05:57] <seanpcrowe> awesome stdin... thanks once again =)
[05:58] <stdin> :)
[05:59] <elite101> stdin, has a huge brain and is very smart :)
[06:00] <stdin> erm, ok :p
[06:00] <elite101> lol
[06:00] <local> can you hear me?
[06:00] <elite101> what?
[06:00] <elite101> i cant hear u
[06:00] <Xera> No we can't
[06:00] <stdin> local: no, but I can read what you type
[06:00] <local> lol
[06:01] <local> anyway what is the name of that compitabilty thingy?
[06:01] <stdin> which one? wine?
[06:01] <local> yah that was the name
[06:02] <elite101> ;)
[06:02] <elite101> lol
[06:03] <elite101> i got a new nvidia card :)
[06:03] <elite101> well i wouldnt call it new but,
[06:03] <elite101> better than 8mb
[06:03] <elite101> its 64mb Nvidia TNT something..
[06:04] <elite101> has anyone played Vicecity on linux? using wine?
[06:05] <Fraction> is there a good way to check whether your gfx card works properly?
[06:05] <elite101> run a game?
[06:05] <elite101> lol
[06:05] <elite101> but there is a better way,
[06:06] <Fraction> tuxkart kinda works.. it's some flicker.. but the gl accelerated screensavers works without a problem
[06:06] <elite101> well i will be right back im going to buy a Blank CD for Xubuntu
[06:06] <elite101> bye
[06:08] <raylu> Fraction, what brand?
[06:08] <Fraction> intel
[06:08] <Fraction> 00:02.1 Display controller: Intel Corporation Mobile 945GM/GMS/940GML Express Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 03)
[06:09] <Fraction> I have some problems with opengl and wanna know whether its the gfx card thats wrong or something else
[06:09] <stdin> Fraction: the intel drivers are open source so are installed by default. what problems are you having?
[06:09] <neverblue> crontab: '53 8 * * * user xset -display :0.0 dpms force off' command line: 'xset -display :0.0 dpms force off'. The command line works perfect, but the crontab command does not, am I doing something wrong?
[06:11] <Fraction> stdin: when I start for instance tuxcart black boxes or sprites is visible for a millisecond or so (flicker?) also when playing movies, if I move the kaffeine window in which the movie is played it turns blue
[06:11] <Fraction> the last of those 2 isnt really a problem but it shouldnt be that way, right ?
[06:12] <stdin> Fraction: are you using beryl or compiz too?
[06:13] <Fraction> stdin: nop
[06:14] <stdin> Fraction: I have the same card, the only time I get that "blue" effect with moves is when using a 3d window manager
[06:16] <Xera> ./ati-installer.sh: 165: Syntax error: Bad substitution
[06:16] <Xera> Removing temporary directory: fglrx-install
[06:16] <Xera> ATi officially SUCK
[06:16] <Fraction> stdin: ok strange, do you have any other problems with your opengl?
[06:16] <Fraction> cause I have when playing opengl-games
[06:16] <Fraction> but not with opengl screensavers which is strange
[06:17] <stdin> Fraction: nope, all works as it should. but I am using the "intel" video driver, not the "i810" one
[06:19] <Fraction> stdin: when I use that driver I get huge font
[06:19] <Fraction> its like 3 letters populate the entire screen
[06:20] <boubbin> when i go kcontrol i dont find the "managing of the mountpoints" -tool there anymore, i have tweo kubutus installed in two different machines, the other one has the other dont. how come ?
[06:21] <Fraction> stdin: if I change driver take a printscreen and put a link to the file, you think u could look at it and see if its a "common problem" ?
[06:21] <stdin> Fraction: sure
[06:26] <dwidmann_> stdin: running gutsy eh?
[06:26] <stdin> yep
[06:28] <local> why cant i download exe files?
[06:28] <dwidmann_> Mine is some awkward combination of Feisty and Gutsy, but at least it worked with minimal effort :)
[06:28] <dec_> how can I check to see the version of kde I am running?
[06:28] <stdin> dec_: in any kde app, Help > About KDE
[06:29] <dec_> thanks
[06:31] <local> why cant i download exe files
[06:31] <dwidmann_> local: you can't? I don't see why you'd want to, but I don't see any reason they wouldn't be downloadable either ...
[06:32] <raven24> hello! I have a problem with my new notebook: no sound...
[06:32] <dwidmann_> What does it do when you try?
[06:32] <Fraction> sigh, how do I take a screenshot at the "login"-state
[06:32] <local> i wanna test to use exe files with the wine
[06:33] <dwidmann_> raven24: Sometimes it's just muted, you sure it's not muted?
[06:33] <maverick_> who's responsible for ubuntu's repos. ?
[06:34] <raven24> yes absolutely sure... i looked up my chipset at google and i found out that it could be a problem with the kernel module
[06:35] <dwidmann_> what chipset is it?
[06:35] <raven24> lspci says: 00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801H (ICH8 Family) HD Audio Controller (rev 03)
[06:37] <dwidmann_> raven24: type lsmod | grep snd, what modules are listed?
[06:38] <agresor> Hello i have big problems with Burning CD, I have DVD-RW and CD-RW  2 rooms' and I can not burn anything with k3b or cd-burner.    BURN PROCES FAILED. CAn anyone Help PLEASE ?????
[06:39] <raven24> snd_hda_intel, snd_pcm_oss, snd_mixer_oss, snd_pcm, snd_seq_dummy, snd_seq_oss, snd_seq_midi, snd_rawmidi, snd_seq_midi_event, snd_seq, snd_timer, snd_seq_device
[06:41] <Fraction> is it possible to take a screenshot before you have logged in?
[06:41] <agresor> Hello i have big problems with Burning CD, I have DVD-RW and CD-RW  2 rooms' and I can not burn anything with k3b or cd-burner.    BURN PROCES FAILED. CAn anyone Help PLEASE ?????
[06:42] <drewcipher_> agresor, I was having the same issue.   I don't have the correct fix but I was able to work around  by launching from sudo on command line    sudo k3b
[06:43] <agresor> drewcipher_,  :s
[06:43] <agresor> uhh
[06:44] <agresor> How tof ix ?
[06:44] <drewcipher_> agresor, I'd try with sudo k3b.  if it works then you know it is just a matter of permissions.
[06:44] <agresor> drewcipher_,  i truyed .. still not working.
[06:45] <dwidmann_> agresor: if it really is permissions issues, in k3b go to settings -> setup systems permissions
[06:45] <raven24> dwidmann_: according to google snd_hda_intel is the correct module, but still no sound
[06:45] <drewcipher_> agresor;  drats
[06:45] <dwidmann_> raven24: hmm, yeah, sounds right
[06:46] <drewcipher_> dwidmann:  I'll try it out.  thanks.
[06:46] <jerware> i just coppied a file to my usb drive.
[06:46] <jerware> umount: /media/disk: device is busy
[06:46] <agresor> drewcipher_,  what about drats ?
[06:46] <jerware> i just  want my usb drive.
[06:46] <SubOne> can anyone tell me the imagemagick command to convert a png to 24bit?
[06:47] <drewcipher_> oh, sorry.  drats was slang for "son of a !@#!"
[06:47] <maverick_> Doea anyone agree with me that amarok in feisty sucks ?!!
[06:47] <jerware> maverick_: i use vlc for everything
[06:47] <raven24> jerware: did you close all windows (including command line) showiing the content of your usb stick?
[06:47] <jerware> raven24: thanx :P
[06:48] <maverick_> VLC mainly for playng the unplayable ;)
[06:48] <SubOne> maverick_: it works great for me
[06:48] <dwidmann_> raven24: looks like anything silly or stupid has been ruled out then ... I really don't know what you'll be able to do from there though. Maybe crimsun would know, he's positively brilliant when it comes to sound related stuff.
[06:48] <maverick_> SubOne: it's very laggy
[06:48] <maverick_> SubOne: very slow
[06:48] <SubOne> maverick_: not for me
[06:48] <dwidmann_> maverick_: afraid I can't agree, I don't think it sucks in Feisty
[06:48] <raven24> dwidmann_: thanks, i'll ask him...
[06:49] <maverick_> it was woking great in edgy , now in fesity i populate my media library and everything goes messy and keeps halting then coming back
[06:51] <SubOne> can anyone tell me the full imagemagick command to convert a png to 24bit?
[06:51] <agresor> SubOne, man imagemagick
[06:51] <agresor> ;p
[06:54] <SubOne> agresor: is it -posterize?
[07:03] <crube> What does kubuntu use to automount hd's? My fluxbox doesn't automount my USB-HD, so I need to know if there's some program I need to run for it to work.
[07:07] <pascal> Is there a small command-program or script that can send mail through smtp?
[07:08] <Roey> em
[07:08] <Roey> hi
[07:09] <Roey> I mounted an SSH volume with FUSE, and I get this when I try to list the directory as a non-root user:
[07:09] <Roey> ?--------- ? ?    ?          ?                ? home
[07:09] <Roey> what the heck is that???
[07:12] <stdin> Roey: don't mount it as root then...
[07:12] <Roey> stdin:  how do I enable users to mount fuse volumes, then?
[07:13] <stdin> Roey: they should already be, as long as they are in the fuse group
[07:16] <Roey> stdin:  ahhhhhhhhhh ok then.
[07:16] <Roey> thanks
[07:16] <Roey> fuse groupp.
[07:17] <Roey> aye
[07:19] <Tm_T> Roey: you use sshfs or fuse straight?
[07:20] <Roey> sshfs
[07:21] <Roey> I'm in the fuse group...er... I added my user just now to to the fuse group in /etc/fuse, but I forgot how to add it to my user in their current shell (I tried newgrp roey but it rejects my password)
[07:21] <llutz> Roey: addgroup user fuse
[07:22] <Roey> ahh ok
[07:22] <Roey> thanks :)
[07:22] <Roey> 13:21:43 ~ sudo addgroup roey fuse
[07:22] <Roey> The user `roey' is already a member of `fuse
[07:23] <llutz> ups, read you wrong. your user has to re-login to let change take effect
[07:23] <Roey> right but
[07:23] <Roey> eh
[07:23] <Roey> llutz:  I tried newgrp but it wants a password and rejects anything I give it.
[07:25] <kruemel_> hi, im using skype, and i can hear everybody, but cant talk, i also can hear my own voice, but the others dont.. well same as teamspeak.. what can i do?
[07:26] <llutz> kruemel_: set capture device to mic in kmix, alsamixer
[07:27] <kruemel_> llutz: well i tryied to set up the Mic Capture in alsamixer, but nothing hjappened.. but u mean something other or?
[07:28] <kruemel_> llutz: i tihnk i know what u mean.. the Mic-in mode.. but do you have the script for the console?
[07:29] <llutz> kruemel_: a script? usually you only need to set the capture-flag on "mic" and adjust the levels to your needs
[07:29] <kruemel_> llutz: it is micin...
[07:29] <kruemel_> llutz: well it is, but the other can hear me
[07:30] <kruemel_> cant*
[07:30] <llutz> no idea then,sorry
[07:30] <kruemel_> well, i can hear my own voice in the speaker.. but the other not
[07:32] <llutz> kruemel_: use alsamixer and press F4
[07:32] <kruemel_> llutz: then?
[07:33] <llutz> kruemel_: you should see "mic" with capture-flag and "capture" with a level >0
[07:34] <kruemel_> llutz: i see "mic" [capture]  all and on the bottom "100"
[07:35] <llutz> kruemel_: are you sure having configured the right device in skype?
[07:36] <kruemel_> llutz: how to save?
[07:36] <llutz> kruemel_: esc  then "sudo alsactl store"
[07:37] <kruemel_> llutz: thx :)
[07:37] <kruemel_> llutz: grat. it works
[07:39] <elite101> how do i check what kinda of ethernet pci card i have in Kubuntu 7.04?
[07:39] <elite101> i need the model #
[07:39] <llutz> elite101: lspci
[07:39] <elite101> whats that?
[07:39] <elite101> konsole?
[07:39] <llutz> yes
[07:40] <elite101> thanx
[07:40] <drewcipher_> lspci - lists all PCI devices
[07:40] <llutz> elite101: look for "Ethernet" or "Network"
[07:40] <elite101> yeah
[07:40] <elite101> i got it now
[07:40] <elite101> D-Link System Inc RTL8139 Ethernet
[07:42] <combo> how to install all necessary NON-FREE codecs like w32codec and all music? untill today i've used AUTOMATIX so there were no problems... 'sudo apt-get install ... ' ? :}
[07:45] <combo> can some1 help how to install those non-free codecs ? don't u listen mp3 ?!
[07:45] <BluesKaj> combo , make sure your sources list has the seveas or medibuntu repos and you can 'sudo apt-get install w32codecs'
[07:46] <combo> BluesKaj: ok, done... and what else codecs are needed ?
[07:46] <combo> BluesKaj: cuz i guess that it's not all ?
[07:46] <BluesKaj> and xine-extrcodecs and libdvdcss2
[07:46] <elite101> when i go to "storage media" all that it shows is a folder and its named "cdrom0" ? there is no HDD there?
[07:46] <BluesKaj> xine extracodecs
[07:47] <BluesKaj> err  xine-extracodecs
[07:47] <combo> BluesKaj: ' sudo apt-get install xine extracodecs ' is that right command ? :] 
[07:47] <wastedfluid> hello.  just installed kubuntu .. removed gnome.  when i click on the computer, and select "home folder" (to open home folder) - it asks me what to open it with..
[07:47] <combo> BluesKaj: key
[07:47] <martijn81> combo: no, sudo aptitude install libxine-extracodecs is
[07:47] <combo> BluesKaj: is there anything else from codecs ? :)
[07:47] <BluesKaj> sudo apt-get install xine-extracodecs
[07:48] <elite101> mhmm how do i bring up fstab?
[07:48] <BluesKaj> don't forget libdvdcss2 , for dvd playback
[07:48] <combo> BluesKaj: ok, xine done
[07:48] <combo> BluesKaj: oka
[07:49] <combo> - libdvdcss2, also done
[07:49] <combo> BluesKaj: is this everything ? :)
[07:49] <elite101> how do i get fstav?
[07:49] <elite101> fstab*
[07:49] <combo> BluesKaj: also music will be working ?
[07:50] <elite101> im trying to mount my HDD
[07:50] <elite101> its in fat32 formatt but it wont mount it on "Filesystems"
[07:50] <elite101> in admin tools
[07:50] <runlevelten> !skanks
[07:50] <ubotu> see !mneptok
[07:51] <elite101> !fstab
[07:51] <ubotu> The /etc/fstab file indicates how drive partitions are to be used or otherwise integrated into the file system. See http://www.tuxfiles.org/linuxhelp/fstab.html and !Partitions
[07:51] <local> hi how do i install ncurse from xlink kai
[07:51] <elite101> ahhh hey
[07:51] <elite101> u
[07:51] <BluesKaj> elite101, in the run box , kdesu kate /etc/fstab
[07:51] <elite101> local, my hero
[07:51] <local> ?
[07:51] <elite101> u got xlink working?
[07:51] <elite101> :)
[07:51] <local> nope
[07:51] <elite101> ahh
[07:51] <local> are you?
[07:51] <elite101> well if u get it to work can u msg me lol
[07:51] <elite101> yeah i was trying
[07:52] <local> hiow did you fo?
[07:52] <local> do*
[07:52] <elite101> it was missing some files
[07:52] <local> yeah me too
[07:52] <elite101> or something i got it installed and such but it wouldnt run
[07:52] <local> yuo
[07:52] <local> p
[07:52] <elite101> its there fault or something they didnt make it rite
[07:52] <local> yup
[07:52] <local> i am trying ncurse right now
[07:52] <local> but it wont work
[07:52] <elite101> there is something i found on the internet its like a GUI
[07:52] <local> hmm
[07:53] <elite101> it boots up the orbital and such for Xlink
[07:53] <kalorin> !image magik
[07:53] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about image magik - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[07:53] <elite101> i tried windows Xlink but obv its not going to work :(
[07:53] <elite101> local, what are u hooking up to xlink with? ps2/xbox/psp etc.
[07:53] <kalorin> !convert
[07:53] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about convert - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[07:54] <local> hmm xbox
[07:54] <elite101> yeah
[07:54] <elite101> same*
[07:54] <elite101> Halo2?
[07:54] <local> yup
[07:54] <elite101> :)
[07:54] <local> !xlink
[07:54] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about xlink - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[07:54] <elite101> #kubuntu-offtopic
[07:54] <elite101> go there for a sec
[08:00] <Dexter_F> so there's mirrror.noreply.org which has later TOR packages for feisty - but are they trustworthy? who runs it?
[08:01] <Dave132> whats the best way to view internet video on kubuntu or ubuntu?
[08:02] <arun> Dave132: internet video? what format
[08:02] <Dave132> arun windows media
[08:03] <Daisuke-Laptop> mplayer plugin + w32codecs, maybe?
[08:03] <arun> Dave132: install the mplayer plugin for firefox
[08:03] <grayson> !wifi
[08:03] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[08:04] <grayson> !paste
[08:04] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[08:04] <Dave132> arun,have that and still have problems
[08:04] <arun> Dave132: what problems
[08:05] <BluesKaj> Dave132, and if you want to view youtube videos , you'll need the flash plugin as well
[08:05] <Roey> hey guys
[08:05] <grayson> hi intelikey
[08:05] <Dave132> arun, currently using gxine and getting demuxer errors
[08:05] <Roey> llutz:  I tried mounting when I had the fuse group, and I  STILL got an error message ("can't open /dev/fuse").  I do have the fuse module loaded.  What could be wrong, do you think?
[08:06] <intelikey> grayson
[08:06] <Dave132> blueskaj, flash works fine
[08:06] <grayson> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/34685/
[08:07] <BluesKaj> good, Dave132
[08:07] <llutz> Roey: /dev/fuse is owned root:fuse?
[08:07] <grayson> can someone look at that and tell me what the DISABLED means?
[08:07] <x86__> Hi, what is the best codec pack to play mp3 and video files?
[08:08] <grayson> iwlist
[08:08] <Roey> llutz:  right
[08:08] <grayson> !mp3
[08:08] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[08:08] <Roey> llutz:  and it's not user-anything (in terms of perms)
[08:08] <grayson> x86__: ^^^
[08:08] <Roey> llutz:  it's root.root
[08:08] <llutz> Roey: it should be root:fuse
[08:09] <intelikey> grayson i'll go out on a limb and say that the network interface is "disabled" at the moment, i.e. ifconfig eth# down         or up to activate
[08:09] <Roey> oh, ok.
[08:09] <Roey> llutz:  well this is all kubuntu I changed it on.
[08:09] <Roey> So I don't know why it's not like that already
[08:09] <BluesKaj> grayson, disabled could mean it doesn't detect a Local area network , hence disabled
[08:10] <Roey> llutz:  ok pefect! It worked!  Thanks
[08:10] <grayson> intelikey: That gives me no such file or directory
[08:10] <Dave132> the mplayer plugins are very unreliable, seems like websites are purposly designing videos not to work with linux
[08:10] <llutz> Roey: fine
[08:10] <grayson> hi BluesKaj
[08:11] <BluesKaj> Dave132, the xine plugin for FF seems to work better than the mplayer
[08:11] <grayson> intelikey: sudo iwconfig gives me a eth1 assigned to the card
[08:11] <Dave132> BluesKaj, ill try those,thanks
[08:11] <BluesKaj> hi grayson
[08:12] <Dave132> is xine better than gxine?
[08:12] <BluesKaj> gxine is for the gnome desktop
[08:13] <BluesKaj> both will work tho , Dave132
[08:13] <grayson> I see that the kill switch for the wireless if off can generate the DISABLED moniker
[08:13] <Dave132> BluesKaj, i know but most kde and gnome work interoperably on either system
[08:14] <Dave132> inm still getting alot of demuxer errors
[08:15] <intelikey> grayson either way  for what ever cause,  the interface is "off"  whether hard or soft control.
[08:15] <x86__> How i can download & install it?
[08:16] <grayson> intelikey: Ok I'll hit the forums
[08:16] <grayson> x86__: Do you have multiverse enabled?
[08:16] <intelikey> that's what the   *-network DISABLED   is telling you.
[08:17] <x86__> Multiverse? Sorry, but i dont know it. just 4 hours using kubuntu.
[08:18] <intelikey> grayson it can also mean it has no driver (module) inserted, i think.
[08:19] <intelikey> !repos | x86__
[08:19] <ubotu> x86__: The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[08:19] <intelikey> x86__ you should probably have a read there ^    and welcome.
[08:19] <grayson> intelikey: no it does I checked that already
[08:20] <grayson> I'm setting up ndiswrapper now
[08:20] <intelikey> if the module is inserted you don't need ndiswrapper   :)
[08:20] <grayson> intelikey: but it doesn't work :)
[08:21] <combo> - i have question: how can i add such music toolbar to the PANEL http://img64.imageshack.us/img64/8835/screenxw6.png ? in Kubuntu LTS i had no problem with it but now i can't solve that ? :[
[08:26] <intelikey> hmmm i need a four pole dubble throw switch....  don't seem to have one....
[08:34] <kenro> When's Hte gibbon scheduled to be released?
[08:35] <intelikey> !schedule
[08:35] <ubotu> Ubuntu releases a new version every 6 months. Each version is supported for 18 months to 5 years. More info at http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/releases & http://wiki.ubuntu.com/TimeBasedReleases
[08:35] <kenro> Okay. When was Bambi released?
[08:36] <intelikey> 7 & 4
[08:36] <kenro> intelikey:  Translate, ease?
[08:37] <kenro> intelikey:  Translate, please?
[08:38] <intelikey> 2007 & month 4
[08:38] <intelikey> 7.04
[08:38] <intelikey> or 7.4
[08:38] <Schuenemann> hey, I need help, I changed video card and can't start X
[08:39] <intelikey> Schuenemann sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[08:39] <[ifroog] > Schuenemann, what video card did you buy ?
[08:39] <drif> monitor & display settings somehow buggy? when I enter admin mode and try to swap to widescreen I cannot apply my changes
[08:39] <Schuenemann> I did that, I can only start it with 8 bit depth color
[08:39] <BluesKaj> drif, did you logout and back in  after the changes ?
[08:40] <drif> BluesKaj: I don
[08:40] <noesis> Schuenemann: which chipset are you using?
[08:40] <drif> BluesKaj: sorry mispressed my keyboard
[08:40] <drif> BluesKaj: I mean, I don't have to click apply first?
[08:40] <Schuenemann> noesis, I only know it's an intel onboard
[08:40] <Schuenemann> [ifroog] , intel onboard
[08:41] <[ifroog] > Schuenemann, but i guess you bough a new one ? thats how you changed it.
[08:41] <grayson> intelikey: So you are saying that ndiswrapper is not needed?
[08:41] <[ifroog] > err, Added newone.
[08:41] <Schuenemann> [ifroog] , sorry, I don't understand
[08:42] <Schuenemann> it's intel onboard
[08:43] <noesis> Schuenemann: put in your livecd.. let it start.. if it starts correctly with opengl support
[08:43] <intelikey> grayson i'm saying that if you dont have to insert some propritary non-free restricted windows only driver then you dnot need an application made specifficly for that purpose
[08:43] <noesis> check your xorg.conf and see which driver is being used
[08:43] <Schuenemann> noesis, when it start, will it replace xorg.conf?
[08:44] <noesis> no Schuenemann.. it will be an xorg.conf in memory
[08:44] <intelikey> grayson and if the card/chip is supported by linux then you don't.    if it's not supported, then you do i guess.
[08:44] <[ifroog] > Schuenemann, I changed video card and can't start X ?? So i guessed your first card was onboard.
[08:44] <Schuenemann> then I copy it?
[08:44] <kenro> intelikey:  Right. Thanks. Which means I gotta put up with networking  and timekeeping instability for too long.
[08:44] <Schuenemann> [ifroog] , no, it was a nvidia geforce
[08:45] <Schuenemann> the motherboard was changed too
[08:45] <noesis> Schuenemann: yes.. you may try,. if the driver is present in your disk isntall it should work
[08:45] <noesis> just first make backup of your current xorg.conf
[08:45] <noesis> you may need to review your settings later
[08:45] <Schuenemann> why? it has the old card :-P
[08:45] <[ifroog] > Schuenemann, do you still have the nvidia on ?
[08:45] <[ifroog] > card*
[08:45] <Schuenemann> [ifroog] , no, I don't have an agp slot anymore
[08:46] <noesis> even onnboard uses virtual agp
[08:46] <noesis> it should not matter
[08:46] <drif> BluesKaj: now I lost all resolutions except 640x480 - getting bit crowded
[08:46] <Schuenemann> how am I going to connect an agp card when I don't have an agp slot in my card? ...
[08:46] <[ifroog] > Schuenemann, DO you know how to use vim ?
[08:46] <Schuenemann> motherboard*
[08:47] <Schuenemann> [ifroog] , well, a bit
[08:47] <[ifroog] > Schuenemann,  sudo vim /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[08:47] <Schuenemann> I'm using windows now
[08:47] <Schuenemann> I found the kubuntu disk, I'll try the livecd
[08:48] <[ifroog] > Schuenemann, Locate the Line Driver "nv" OR Driver "nvidia"
[08:48] <BluesKaj> drif , sorry i was called away for a min . yes you have "apply" your changes then logout and back in .
[08:48] <grayson> intelikey: I hear you :) but it's being stupid right now
[08:48] <intelikey> grayson k.
[08:48] <drif> BluesKaj: sigh..like I said - I cannot apply the changes...and now after restarting X I lost all resolutions except 640x480
[08:49] <Schuenemann> [ifroog] , and?
[08:49] <grayson> intelikey: ndiswrapper is as well if it's any consolation
[08:49] <wastedfluid> hey guys; iwconfig ath0 reports a 93% link quality, yet, knetworkmanager shows 3/4.. anyway to correct this?
[08:50] <[ifroog] > and change it to Driver "vesa" or Driver "i810"
[08:50] <[ifroog] > Schuenemann, try the latter first.
[08:50] <kenro> BTW, anyone know how to fix the timekeeping instability? I don't always boot up into Inet, so crontab or startscrpit isn't practical.
[08:51] <noesis> Schuenemann: insert i810 where you had nvidia or nv...
[08:51] <Lynoure> kenro: how unstable is your clock?
[08:52] <noesis> Schuenemann: i would first insert the live cd and check what the livecd uses in Driver "mychipset" section and use it
[08:52] <Schuenemann> ok, I'll try the livecd first
[08:52] <Schuenemann> brb
[08:54] <Lynoure> kenro: ntpdate on anacron should help some, ntpd even more. But if it is e.g. defaulting to an ancient time at every boot, motherboard battery might be dead...
[08:54] <kenro> Lynoure:  About 5 hours later than tz, and ntpdate doesn't stick.
[08:55] <Lynoure> kenro: and it's a physical computer and not a virtual one?
[08:55] <kenro> Lynoure:  Elaborate, please?
[08:55] <Lynoure> kenro: xen used to have an annoying clock bug, making ntp not stick either
[08:55] <juan> hi
[08:56] <intelikey> to sync the hwclock with a time server  http://ubuntu.pastebin.us/39130
[08:56] <Lynoure> kenro: If you don't know what I mean with asking if it is a virtual computer, it's probably physical, that is, running directly on the hardware and not in VMware or Xen
[08:56] <kenro> Lynoure:  *shrug* I know only it's no vm, it's Kubuntu, it's gutsy gibbon prerelease.
[08:58] <juan> i want to put a lamp server, after this just a xfce desktop and a proftpd, but what can i do if i dont have a internet conection on that server????????''
[08:58] <kenro> Lynoure:  Current date, just 5 hours later than tz and ntp doesn't stick.
[08:58] <juan> root
[08:58] <Lynoure> kenro: then people at #ubuntu+1 know more about the unreleased versions
[08:59] <Lynoure> kenro: but check the link intelikey pasted, maybe it helps
[08:59] <intelikey> juan you can dl the packages on another box and transfer them by disk ?
[08:59] <kenro> ah. Thanks for the reminder. :)
[08:59] <Lynoure> kenro: have you tried ntpd yet?
[08:59] <thehcdreamer> Hello, i'm sorry if i'm using this chat, but what is the contrary of "disabled" in english? thanx
[08:59] <Lynoure> thehcdreamer: enabled
[08:59] <thehcdreamer> thanks
[09:00] <juan> is enabled
[09:00] <juan> disabled enablewd
[09:00] <grayson> !lamp
[09:00] <ubotu> LAMP is an acronym for Linux-Apache-MySQL-PHP. However, the term is often used for setups using alternative but different software, such as Perl or Python instead of PHP, and Postgres instead of MySQL. For help with setting up LAMP on Ubuntu, see  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ApacheMySQLPHP - See also the Server CD installation process (different in Edgy+)
[09:01] <kenro> Lynoure:  er... I say, no startup script or crontab, as I don't always boot up into Inet.
[09:02] <Lynoure> kenro: the daemon won't start unless it can synch once... but I'm not forcing solutions to people
[09:02] <intelikey> mv /etc/adjtime /etc/adjtime.bak ;ln -s /dev/null /etc/adjtime
[09:03] <Lynoure> kenro: (that is, unless it is messed up in gutsy)
[09:04] <kenro> Lynoure:  Right. I better ask +1 before mucking the shell.
[09:04] <Lynoure> even if you go offline for days, it will still be fine, if configured decently.
[09:06] <intelikey> heh one reboot and you can have "timestamp to far in the future" errors galore
[09:06] <juan> there is a problem when you try to install some thinmgs in the ubuntu server 6.06 yo must be conected to the internet in order to download the repositories, so what can i do for insatlling whitout internet conection
[09:06] <intelikey> grayson (: i wondered who held the other end of this rope.
[09:07] <elite101> #kubuntu-offtopic
[09:07] <elite101> dont mind that^
[09:07] <grayson> intelikey: I don't think sarcasm comes across well
[09:07] <intelikey> it wasn't.
[09:07] <grayson>  it's taking me 72 days to download gcc
[09:07] <elite101> hey im having problems with my HDD
[09:08] <elite101> its a FAT32 partition but i need to edit FSTAB
[09:08] <seanpcrowe> lol, hey all
[09:08] <elite101> but i cant remember how to edit it or even bring it up
[09:08] <seanpcrowe> how do i tell hoe much drive space i got left?
[09:08] <seanpcrowe> *how
[09:08] <elite101> :P
[09:08] <intelikey> elite101 kdesu kate /etc/fstab
[09:08] <juan> i went to a ububtu machine with internet and download the repositories in var/cache/apt/archives, so i copy to aa usb memory and copy into the same directory into the server so i cant install the x sustem and xfce and proftpd
[09:09] <elite101> thanx
[09:09] <elite101> intelikey*
[09:10] <Lynoure> intelikey: if that warning was addressed to kenro, better address it to him directly as he missed the link you meant for him too. But, no, well configured ntpd should not do that at reboot, and if you are worried, you can make a shutdown script that purges sudo timestamps
[09:10] <intelikey> elite /dev/<device> /<mountpoint> vfat defaults,uuid=1000,dmask=022,fmask=133  0  0
[09:10] <elite101> kio (KSycoca): ERROR: No database available!
[09:10] <elite101> whats that mean?
[09:11] <elite101> whats mountpoiint?
[09:11] <ehc> where can I add a script to be ran on startup?
[09:11] <juan> how i can install apps n my lamp server whitout internet connection
[09:11] <juan> ????????
[09:11] <Schuenemann> noesis it started, the driver was i810
[09:11] <intelikey> means "ignore me, i'm a stupid error message that should have been dumped in /dev/null"
[09:11] <elite101> errr
[09:12] <elite101> its reading the FSTAB and HDD but i cant see them?
[09:12] <intelikey> serious
[09:12] <Schuenemann> now, how do I mount my pendrive?
[09:12] <grayson> intelikey: I swear if I look at it it slows it down
[09:12] <elite101> UUID=783add3c-d3dc-4009-9715-2a7372464aa2 none swap sw 0 0
[09:12] <elite101> HDB1
[09:12] <Lynoure> Schuenemann: usually, just by plugging it in
[09:12] <elite101> sorry
[09:12] <grayson> juan:sudo dpkg -i *
[09:12] <elite101> i mean HDA5
[09:12] <noesis> Schuenemann: your opengl screensavers work?
[09:13] <elite101> last time i enabled a HDD it screwed up my system
[09:13] <elite101> like badly
[09:13] <Schuenemann> noesis I'm back at shell, I need to replace the xorg.conf
[09:13] <Schuenemann> Lynoure I have no X
[09:13] <elite101> mhmm when i open up storage media it shows only a folder and its "cdrom0"
[09:13] <elite101> it doesnt show any HDD's?
[09:14] <elite101> i have fstab open now and there is like 3diff, devices and stuff
[09:14] <elite101> o_0 very confusing
[09:14] <intelikey> you asked for the command line and fstab syntax   i gave both.        and you should look at     blkid     to understand what the UUID=  is.
[09:15] <Schuenemann> what is the command to mount the pendrive? mount dest ???
[09:15] <Lynoure> Schuenemann: you could try plugging it in, and seeing what it appeared as (usually /dev/sdsomething) and using mount to mount that. But someone else will prolly want you through it in detail
[09:15] <Lynoure> Schuenemann: see   man mount   for details
[09:15] <Schuenemann> how am I going to know the correct sd?
[09:16] <intelikey> Schuenemann that's what he's saying.   plug it in and  read dmesg
[09:16] <Schuenemann> ahh, dmesg
[09:16] <Lynoure> Schuenemann: it's the one you did not have before plugging it in. But, really, I'm not sure how kubuntu handles that outside X. I tend to use debian on my bare boxes
[09:16] <elite101> wow this is confusing to many ppl?
[09:16] <Schuenemann> I guess I'll have to quit bitchx, brb
[09:16] <elite101> pendrive?
[09:16] <elite101> i have a HDD
[09:17] <intelikey> elite101  /dev/<device> /<mountpoint> vfat defaults,uuid=1000,dmask=022,fmask=133  0  0
[09:17] <seanpcrowe> hey all... this is amazing, i sooooooo cant tell how much space i got left...
[09:17] <elite101> just copy it in and save?
[09:17] <intelikey> or use the UUID if you prefer
[09:17] <seanpcrowe> how do i do it?
[09:17] <elite101> i dont understand what ur talking about?
[09:17] <intelikey> no  translate everything within  <>
[09:17] <elite101> errr its annyoing to many ppl
[09:18] <elite101> ahh k
[09:18] <elite101> ic lol
[09:18] <intelikey> seanpcrowe  df -h
[09:18] <BluesKaj> seanpcrowe, hard drive space ?
[09:18] <seanpcrowe> BlueDevil, yeah lol
[09:19] <BluesKaj> df -h , as intelikey says
[09:19] <seanpcrowe> ahhhhhh, thank you guys... that was doing my head in...lol
[09:20] <intelikey> ksysguard can check disk space too
[09:20] <intelikey> it probably runs   df
[09:20] <intelikey> :)
[09:21] <elite101> im scared im going to screw up my sys with fstab i will make a pastebin so u can see how its setup its very weird intelikay,
[09:21] <elite101> intelikey*
[09:22] <Tm_T> Schuenemann: ROOT!
[09:22] <intelikey> open a konsole and do     sudo cp /etc/fstab /etc/fstab.backup
[09:22] <Schuenemann> Tm_T huh?
[09:22] <Tm_T> Schuenemann: Schuenemann [n=root@200.254.153.2
[09:23] <Schuenemann> what about it?
[09:23] <Tm_T> you should not irc as root
[09:23] <Schuenemann> why?
[09:24] <seanpcrowe> do you guys know if kubuntu can play 720p .mkv's ???
[09:24] <Schuenemann> intelikey I have reasons to believe it's in /dev/sdc
[09:24] <Tm_T> Schuenemann: http://www.bsd.org/faq.html#rootsucks
[09:25] <Tm_T> gnomefreak: yay
[09:25] <intelikey> !virus | Schuenemann for a better understanding of why you shouldn't run as root
[09:25] <Schuenemann> Tm_T I'll read it when I recover X, ok?
[09:25] <ubotu> Schuenemann for a better understanding of why you shouldn't run as root: A/V software is available, however read this to understand why Linux does not have a virus problem: http://librenix.com/?inode=21
[09:25] <gnomefreak> Tm_T: ;)
[09:25] <intelikey> Schuenemann please read            ^
[09:25] <Schuenemann> how am I going to read that?
[09:25] <Tm_T> Schuenemann: I can privmsg you too if you like
[09:25] <elite101> intelikey,http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/34692/
[09:25] <Schuenemann> Tm_T how about if you tell me how to mount my pendrive, so I can recover X and read it myself? :p
[09:26] <intelikey> Schuenemann w3m http://librenix.com/?inode=21
[09:26] <Tm_T> Schuenemann: mount /device /destination
[09:26] <Tm_T> Schuenemann: next?
[09:26] <Schuenemann> doesn't work
[09:26] <frojnd> hello tehre. While I try to install kubuntu I get this error message: buffer I/o error on device fd0, logical block 0. What does this mean ???????
[09:26] <Schuenemann> don't I need to say the filesystem?
[09:26] <Tm_T> Schuenemann: then say it
[09:27] <Schuenemann> mount -t vfat /dev/sdc ~/pen ?
[09:27] <Tm_T> yes?
[09:27] <Tm_T> if it's vfat
[09:27] <intelikey> no you do NOT need to say the fs type.
[09:27] <Schuenemann> it didn't work and I forgot to copy the error message
[09:27] <Tm_T> intelikey: I think so too
[09:28] <Schuenemann> what does this mean? -> usb-storage: device found at 4
[09:28] <elite101> intelikey, did u check out the pastebin? its very confusing...
[09:28] <atomicpotato> it found a mass storage device attached at USB node 4?
[09:28] <Schuenemann> that was the output for dmesg
[09:28] <Schuenemann> atomicpotato where is usb node 4?
[09:29] <atomicpotato> dunno, it depends on the system. It should be one of your USB jacks.
[09:29] <elite101> jacks? u mean ports?
[09:29] <intelikey> elite101 is it hdb1 you are concerned with ?
[09:29] <elite101> yeah
[09:29] <Schuenemann> I'd better check what was the error message, brb
[09:30] <elite101> so it shows in "file systems" in Kcontroll but its just i cant enable it so i can use it
[09:30] <elite101> the slave HDD^
[09:30] <intelikey> elite101 /dev/hdb1 <mount\040point> auto nouser,noauto,atime,auto,rw,nodev,noexec,nosuid
[09:30] <intelikey> wait
[09:30] <elite101> 2 zero's
[09:31] <elite101>  /dev/hdb1 <mount\040point> auto nouser,noauto,atime,auto,rw,nodev,noexec,nosuid 0 0
[09:31] <intelikey> elite101 /dev/hdb1 /media/hdb1 auto user,users,noauto,atime,auto,rw,nodev,noexec,nosuid 0 0
[09:31] <intelikey> try that   ^
[09:31] <elite101> okay
[09:31] <intelikey> are you sure of the fstype ?   is it vfat ?
[09:31] <grayson> anyone have any dies how I can test if apt-get is hung
[09:31] <grayson> ideas
[09:31] <elite101> no its fat32
[09:32] <intelikey> yeah vfat
[09:32] <elite101> k
[09:33] <intelikey> elite101 /dev/hdb1 /media/hdb1 vfat user,users,dmask=022,fmask=133 0 0
[09:33] <intelikey> alternativly   i would sujest that   ^
[09:33] <elite101> ahh
[09:33] <elite101> well i just used the other one
[09:33] <intelikey> test them both.
[09:33] <elite101> The system reported: mount: mount point /media/hdb1 does not exist
[09:34] <elite101> errr?
[09:34] <intelikey> see which you like.
[09:34] <intelikey> sudo mkdir -p /media/hdb1
[09:34] <elite101> k
[09:34] <intelikey> elite101 a mountpoint is simply a dirrectory to mount the fs onto
[09:34] <Schuenemann> these are the errors produced by "mount /dev/sdc pendrive" -> cramfs: wrong magic -> VFS: Can't find ext3 filesystem on dev sdc -> Mount: you must specify the filesystem type
[09:35] <elite101> yeah well last time i mounted another HDD to the "/" mount point :(
[09:35] <elite101> it wouldnt boot up KDE :(
[09:35] <intelikey> elite101 lol
[09:35] <elite101> it was my mistake
[09:36] <intelikey> unless you use unionfs mounts    anything existing in the dir that you select for a mountpoint is inaccessable until you dismount the fs
[09:36] <Schuenemann> intelikey me?
[09:36] <intelikey> elite101
[09:36] <elite101> yeah well it said on boot-up cannot acces jobcontrol
[09:36] <Schuenemann> how about me? heh
[09:36] <elite101> thanx intelikey, it worked :) wuu!!!!
[09:37] <intelikey> Schuenemann you are trying to mount the wrong device
[09:37] <Schuenemann> intelikey how can I know which is it? dmesg said sdc
[09:37] <llutz> Schuenemann: sudo fdisk -l
[09:37] <grayson> intelikey: 71 days :)
[09:37] <runlevelten> !sense
[09:37] <ubotu> Common Sense: Just because you can, does not mean you should. Think before you do. "Works for me" does not mean it is ok. The latest version of everything is not always useful if you aim for stability.
[09:37] <elite101> this is weird? machine: i586? is that 64-bit? i recently moved to a AMD prossecor? it was befor i386
[09:38] <intelikey> Schuenemann sudo fdisk -l     see if it's listed
[09:38] <Schuenemann> let me try, brb
[09:38] <elite101> what is the command for the PCI card attached?
[09:38] <intelikey> elite101 no 586 is 32bit
[09:39] <elite101> k
[09:39] <elite101> thought so
[09:39] <elite101> its just the number was higher :P
[09:39] <vge> lspci
[09:39] <elite101> thanx
[09:39] <intelikey> or lshw
[09:39] <elite101> yeah hw? means hardware?
[09:39] <intelikey> depends on how much "human readable" info you want
[09:40] <elite101> yeah lol just the PCI info
[09:40] <intelikey> yes hw means hardware
[09:40] <intelikey> and pci cards are hardware too
[09:40] <elite101> im getting Xlink program for windows but the only windows i had was an old 4gig HDD but it needed drivers for my PCI card so i needed to mount the HDD to put them on there
[09:41] <sammy> any idea where to start debugging kopete msn connection problems? I get no sort of troubleshooting or debugging information anywhere, connection to msn dies silently, and doesn't even ask me for my password.
[09:41] <intelikey> i hope you didn't edit fstab just for a one off mount....
[09:41] <elite101> no
[09:42] <elite101> ?
[09:42] <elite101> i need it mounted
[09:42] <elite101> allways
[09:43] <Schunemann> intelikey hey, it worked. But I can only start X with root. How to fix that?
[09:44] <intelikey> Schunemann what are you using to "start X"  ?
[09:44] <Schunemann> startx
[09:44] <intelikey> Schunemann do you have an  xorg.conf  file in your users home dir ?
[09:44] <sammy> (any ops might want to change the wiki link to kubuntu.org instead of .com to avoid certificate hostname mismatch errors)
[09:44] <intelikey> startx will read that if so
[09:44] <Schunemann> yes
[09:44] <intelikey> that's why.
[09:45] <Schunemann> it says I don't have permission to use startx
[09:45] <intelikey> mounted nosuid ?
[09:45] <Schunemann> what is nosuid?
[09:45] <elite101> intelikey, its not letting me rite files to the HDD i just mounted?
[09:46] <intelikey> Schunemann type    mount | grep nosuid
[09:46] <Schunemann> is it that stuff of creating the root user? if so, I never did it
[09:46] <intelikey> elite101 that's why i said i'd use the second line.    "alternatively"   and  "try both and see which you want"
[09:46] <elite101> k
[09:47] <BluesKaj> Schunemann, you have to login with username and pw as if you were on the login page
[09:47] <intelikey> Schunemann no.
[09:47] <Schunemann> BluesKaj how? I didn't get any login prompt
[09:47] <Schunemann> I'm using recovery mode
[09:47] <BluesKaj> oh sorry thot you were at the prompt
[09:48] <intelikey> Schunemann errr   type  init 2
[09:48] <Schunemann> intelikey maybe I should try using 'normal' mode now, as I have a nice xorg.conf now?
[09:49] <intelikey> Schunemann that's what i just said.    in the console  enter    init 2
[09:49] <Schunemann> ok, brb
[09:49] <BluesKaj> save it
[09:49] <noesis> exit quit while you can
[09:49] <Schunemann> ?
[09:49] <noesis> Schunemann: exit the term
[09:49] <noesis> alt-2 or whatever
[09:49] <noesis> and login as you
[09:49] <Schunemann> I still don't have X!
[09:49] <Schunemann> brb
[09:49] <BluesKaj> ctrl + X
[09:49] <noesis> then you can try startx
[09:50] <kyuss> Bonsoir
[09:50] <intelikey> gooday
[09:51] <sebbar_> what's the best way to automatically mount a disc read/write instead of just read?
[09:51] <kyuss> j'ai un probleme avec SU
[09:51] <intelikey> it really depends on the fs type
[09:51] <kyuss> lorsque je met mon pass il ne le prend pas...
[09:51] <intelikey> !fr
[09:51] <ubotu> Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.
[09:51] <sebbar_> intelikey: ext3
[09:51] <kyuss> ok ;)
[09:52] <kyuss> thanks
[09:52] <elite101> intelikey, once i type that line in the fstab do i open up filesystems and then dis-able and enable it ?
[09:52] <intelikey> sebbar_ it defaults to rw
[09:53] <intelikey> elite101 or  sudo umount /media/hdb1 ;sudo mount /media/hdb1
[09:53] <elite101> k
[09:53] <intelikey> pick your take
[09:53] <intelikey> and take your pick,
[09:53] <elite101> lol
[09:53] <intelikey> just don't pick your nose while you do it
[09:53] <elite101> i did it worked
[09:53] <elite101> ;)
[09:54] <spaz> hello
[09:54] <intelikey> spaz
[09:54] <spaz> i keep trying to login to KDE, but for some reason it throws me straight back to the title screen
[09:54] <spaz> no errors or anything
[09:54] <spaz> hello intelikey
[09:54] <zdadrdem_> spaz maybe your disc is full
[09:54] <spaz> zdadrdem_: no
[09:55] <spaz> it's far from full
[09:55] <sebbar_> intelikey: ah I had formatted it as root, that's why I was confused. tnx
[09:55] <elite101> man i hate windoze me :(
[09:55] <intelikey> out of disk space in your home ?     mucked up permissions in your home ?    spaz
[09:55] <spaz> hmm
[09:55] <BluesKaj> spaz, try default
[09:55] <spaz> home has no quota
[09:55] <spaz> permissions, maybe
[09:55] <intelikey> sebbar_ you always format as root.    or i do...
[09:56] <intelikey> sebbar_ are you sure you are not asking about inode permissions rather than  mounted as readonly or read write  ???
[09:56] <compilerwriter> OK ladies and gents.  I would like to try out the tasty menu for kde but have no clue how to go about it.  Someone have time to hand hold for a few minutes?
[09:57] <sebbar_> intelikey: well I just formatted the disk as user and it let me do it. I was a bit surprised actually. May it's a bit strange because it's a sata disc connected via a usb adapter. Well hey it seems to work fine now :)
[09:57] <nosrednaekim> compilerwriter: the suse kickoff menu?
[09:57] <spaz> aha
[09:57] <spaz> the permissions indeed
[09:57] <spaz> thanks ^_^
[09:57] <elite101> intelikey, it stilll says i dont hav write permissions?
[09:57] <spaz> *intellikey
[09:57] <anu> !adeptfix
[09:57] <ubotu> If Adept crashed on you and your database is locked, try this in konsole:  sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a 
[09:58] <compilerwriter> noserednaekim I am not sure I read about it in akgregator.
[09:58] <intelikey> sebbar_ k.
[09:58] <compilerwriter> It is supposed to be a replacement to kmenu nosrednaekim
[09:58] <intelikey> elite101 which fstab line right now ?
[09:58] <elite101> #2
[09:58] <spaz> i must have hosed them when i transferred my entire kubuntu install to a new, larger HD
[09:58] <elite101> i tried both
[09:58] <nosrednaekim> compilerwriter: what is it called?
[09:58] <spaz> :-s
[09:58] <elite101> they still wont let me write?
[09:58] <compilerwriter> I would just like to try it out instead of kmenu for a while nosrednaekim
[09:59] <intelikey> elite101 ok and  what does konsole command      echo $UID       tell us ?
[09:59] <nosrednaekim> compilerwriter: alrighy :) do you have it installed?
[09:59] <elite101> 1sec
[09:59] <compilerwriter> nosrednaekim http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php/Tasty+Menu?content=41866
[09:59] <elite101> omg
[09:59] <elite101> im dumbbbb
[09:59] <elite101> :)
[09:59] <elite101> 1000
[09:59] <compilerwriter> nosrednaekim I want to make sure I get my kmenu stuff backed up properly so I can switch back if I want.  I have yet to install though.
[10:00] <nosrednaekim> compilerwriter: it shouldn't affect the current Kmenu
[10:00] <compilerwriter> nosrednaekim I just want to do this properly.
[10:00] <intelikey> elite101 in the string "user,users,dmask=022,fmask=133"    add the word ,uid=1000     or is it uuid=1000      ????
[10:00] <nosrednaekim> compilerwriter: but if you want.. save your ".kde" folder from your /home partition
[10:00] <elite101> one thousand
[10:00] <elite101> uuid
[10:00] <nosrednaekim> copy it to "kde-backup" or something
[10:01] <anu> grr, has someone got the flashplugin nonfree package without having to download the crap from adobe? its going at 200 bytes per second
[10:01] <intelikey> yeah uuid
[10:01] <elite101> but the line u gave me was this?
[10:01] <elite101> :
[10:01] <elite101> */dev/hdb1 /media/hdb1 vfat user,users,dmask=022,fmask=133 0 0
[10:01] <elite101> take out the *
[10:01] <elite101> there is no UUID?
[10:02] <jussio1> no one?
[10:02] <nosrednaekim> compilerwriter: ok.i'm looking into it.
[10:03] <elite101>  /dev/hdb1 /media/hdb1 vfat user,users,dmask=022,fmask=133 0 0  <--- That is all i need to put? or do i add the UUID=1000?
[10:04] <tuke81> dxr3 anyone
 elite101 /dev/hdb1 /media/hdb1 vfat user,users,dmask=022,fmask=133  0 0   <<< that's what i first said.    >>> /dev/hdb1 /media/hdb1 vfat user,users,uuid=1000,dmask=022,fmask=133  0 0   <<<< that's what i'm saying you need to add in.   there is differance in  uuid and UUID
[10:04] <sehe> jussio1: anything you'd like to ask?
[10:04] <voidmage> "grub-install (hd0) failed. this is a fatal error."
[10:05] <voidmage> I got that error when installing kubuntu
[10:05] <compilerwriter> I believe I have my .kde folder backed up now nosrednaekim
[10:05] <elite101> ahh k
[10:05] <jussio1> sehe: sorry, see the post by anu
[10:05] <intelikey> elite101 in linux everything is case sensitive   and   UUID != uuid   in mount.
[10:05] <elite101> yeah i know
[10:05] <sehe> jussi01:  i'm just on - don't have the earlier msgs
[10:05] <elite101> but where do i add it in?
[10:05] <elite101> anywhere
[10:05] <intelikey> sorry if i have confused you.
[10:05] <nosrednaekim> compilerwriter: ok, then go ahead and install that deb.
[10:05] <intelikey> see    ^^^
[10:06] <elite101> yeah nvm
[10:06] <martinjh99> how come - when I do a netstat then installing from gb mirror it's connecting to auckland.ubuntu.com?  Is that an Oz server or what?
[10:06] <elite101> its already there
[10:06] <jussio1> sehe: has someone got the flashplugin nonfree package without having to download the crap from adobe? its going at 200 bytes per second
[10:06] <elite101> sorry
[10:06] <voidmage> How can I get around "grub-install (hd0) failed. this is a fatal error." in the installer?
[10:06] <sehe> jussio1: sry dunno bout that :D
[10:06] <elite101> jussio1, if u need to install flashaplayer? i usually get firefox and go to a site that needs it and it will download th plugin for u fast
[10:06] <jussio1> its always really slow - very annoying
[10:06] <elite101> ^^^
[10:07] <intelikey> !grub | voidmage
[10:07] <ubotu> voidmage: grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[10:07] <elite101> sudo apt-get install firefox
[10:07] <jussio1> elite101: never works for me, and im using konq
[10:07] <elite101> well if u try firefox and go to www.joecartoon.com it should work
[10:07] <Schuenemann> intelikey, hey, I finally got it working
[10:07] <elite101> just select a video a small pop-up will apera for plugin
[10:08] <Schuenemann> or at least I think so, haven't booted yet
[10:08] <intelikey> Schuenemann :)
[10:08] <Schuenemann> thanks :-)
[10:08] <jussio1> elite101: I dont want to use firefox
[10:08] <Schuenemann> what do you have against firefox?
[10:08] <BluesKaj> jussio1, use konq but try to DL flash with it
[10:09] <jussio1> Schuenemann: its gtk
[10:09] <jussio1> iirc
[10:09] <Schuenemann> intelikey, is it possible to use glx with this card?
[10:09] <Schuenemann> jussio1, yeah, it is
[10:09] <intelikey> jussio1 put the flashplayer plugin in your .kde/share/apps/konqueror/plugins/  dir    may not be the exact address but that's the concept
[10:09] <elite101> lol dont wanna use firfox :s
[10:10] <voidmage> what am I looking for in there?
[10:10] <jussio1> elite101: are you lol'ing at me?
[10:10] <intelikey> elite101 i refuse to use ff too
[10:10] <elite101> yeah
[10:10] <elite101> why?
[10:10] <jhutchins> voidmage: Manual install of grub outside the installer.
[10:10] <intelikey> don't like it
[10:10] <elite101> meh
[10:10] <elite101> :P
[10:10] <jussio1> elite101: why would I put extra libs I dont need on my pc
[10:10] <Schuenemann> I love the extensions
[10:11] <tuke81> jussio1: http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/flash
[10:11] <jhutchins> Some javascript works better with FF, otherwise i avoid it.
[10:11] <elite101> well install ff, and the flash plugin will work with konqueror
[10:11] <Schuenemann> !glx
[10:11] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about glx - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[10:11] <Schuenemann> how come the bot doesn't know anything about glx? Even I do!
[10:11] <elite101> !flashplayer
[10:11] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[10:11] <sehe> opera is my favourite. firefox for certain websites and teh extensions (FireBug, Selenium IDE)
[10:11] <voidmage> jhutchins: how do I do that on a livecd though?
[10:11] <voidmage> because i tried what it said and it didn't wor'
[10:11] <voidmage> k
[10:12] <elite101> yeah firebug isgood
[10:12] <intelikey> Schuenemann idk...
[10:12] <intelikey> !info glx
[10:12] <ubotu> Package glx does not exist in feisty, feisty-seveas
[10:12] <Artimus> I'm having a strange issue with KNetworkManager on Feisty (AMD64).  I'm on the internet, but the manager says "No Network Device Found".  Under manual configuration, my ethernet card is listed O_o
[10:12] <jhutchins> voidmage: Since you're making me guess, I'd say that it was trying to install to the wrong drive/partition.
[10:12] <voidmage> I mounted the root partition
[10:12] <sehe> which means: there is no room in my day to get used to Konq. I only use Konq for ioslaves (man:/ info:/ ftp:/ svn+ssh:/ and the like)
[10:12] <jhutchins> voidmage: It goes on the bootsector of the first drive.
[10:12] <voidmage> and looked in /boot
[10:12] <voidmage> and there wasn't any grub folder in there
[10:13] <jussio1> Artimus: try switching to offline mode then back to online mode
[10:13] <mariooliveira> hello kunbuntu world  :)
[10:13] <compilerwriter> nosrednaekim I managed to create a directory .kde_backup but when I use the cp command to copy the files I am told it is not a directory.
[10:13] <sehe> mariooliveira: hello back!
[10:13] <elite101> lol
[10:14] <mariooliveira> sehe,  hello sorry i dont remember u  maybe a few days ago?
[10:14] <nosrednaekim> compilerwriter: how did you create that directory? "mkdir .kde_backup"?
[10:14] <Artimus> jussio1: No good, but thanks.  Running through sudo does not help either.
[10:14] <sehe> mariooliveira: i meant, in return :)
[10:14] <jussio1> Artimus: weird
[10:14] <voidmage> hmm.
[10:14] <mariooliveira> ohh lol
[10:14] <compilerwriter> yes nosrednaekim that is how I created it.
[10:14] <voidmage> /boot/grub/stage1 doesn't exist
[10:14] <elite101> Artimus, now why does that name sound fimilar?
[10:14] <jhutchins> !kdesu | Artimus
[10:14] <ubotu> Artimus: In KDE, use  kdesu  to run graphical applications with root privileges when you have to. Do *not* use  sudo <GUI application> ; you can muck up your permissions/config files. For what to use in GNOME, see !gksudo
[10:15] <sehe> voidmage: is the boot partition *mounted* ????
[10:15] <voidmage> yeah
[10:15] <voidmage> should it be?
[10:15] <sehe> voidmage: possibly. in default install there is no separate boot part, so you needn't worry
[10:15] <voidmage> i'm not in my system
[10:15] <voidmage> i'm on a livecd
[10:15] <sehe> voidmage: rule is: if you don't know about it, you don't have to mount it
[10:16] <voidmage> and grub won't install because /boot/grub doesn't exist on my root partition
[10:16] <Artimus> elite101: I saw a few bugs reported about wireless not detecting.  However, this is a bit different...
[10:16] <sehe> voidmage: then forget my remark :D
[10:16] <elite101> Atrimus, ur nickname is that froma  movie?
[10:16] <elite101> artimus*
[10:16] <voidmage> any way I can get grub to actually install?
[10:17] <mariooliveira> i started kunbuntu install dhcpd and config it now  my laptop( booting from lan says  no boot filename received
[10:17] <elite101> Artimus, ur nickname is that froma  movie?
[10:17] <sehe> elite101:  Arthemis http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Artemis
[10:17] <Artimus> elite101: No, but it was also used in a movie
[10:17] <elite101> there now i spelt it rite
[10:17] <elite101> yeah
[10:17] <elite101> mhm what one?
[10:17] <elite101> its so fimilar
[10:17] <Artimus> Wild West or some such thing with Will Smith?
[10:17] <Artimus> Wild Wild West maybe?
[10:17] <elite101> maybe
[10:17] <elite101> or
[10:17] <Artimus> ...  I think I found an answer to the Knetworkmanager thing.
[10:17] <mariooliveira> do i have to add a line at dhcpd config fileor  to thtp witch is not running yet
[10:17] <nosrednaekim> voidmage: thats very odd.
[10:17] <elite101> Optimes prime ring a bell?
[10:18] <elite101> optimus*
[10:18] <sehe> elite101: matrix?
[10:18] <mariooliveira> and where do i get  the file?
[10:18] <elite101> Transformers?
[10:18] <elite101> yeah
[10:18] <elite101> matrix
[10:18] <elite101> thats it
[10:18] <compilerwriter> nosredmaekim I think I have got it now.
[10:18] <nosrednaekim> voidmage: curious.. is there a "lilo" directory in /boot?
[10:19] <sehe> voidmage: could it be you are confusing /boot and /media/hddmountpoint/boot ?
[10:19] <nosrednaekim> compilerwriter: ok, got it all backed up and that file DLed?
[10:19] <sehe> nosrednaekim: voidmage: i always use !chroot to make stuff like that easy on my PC's
[10:19] <voidmage> $ sudo grub-install \(hd0\)
[10:20] <voidmage> Could not find device for /boot: not found or not a block device
[10:20] <compilerwriter> I am downloading the deb now.
[10:20] <sehe> voidmage: i'm pretty positive you need to be chrooted for grub-install to work from teh livecd *against the harddrive*
[10:20] <compilerwriter> Deb downloaded.
[10:20] <sehe> !chroot | voidmage
[10:20] <ubotu> voidmage: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebootstrapChroot use this to build 32 bit environments on a 64 bit box
[10:20] <nosrednaekim> voidmage: ah.... you have to do a --root-directory=/media/hddmountpoint
[10:21] <compilerwriter> deb downloaded noserednaekim
[10:21] <sehe> voidmage: nosrednaekim has a simpler approach!!!! cheers
[10:21] <voidmage> hmm.
[10:21] <voidmage> nope.
[10:21] <jussio1> grrr, does anyone know a european mirror to get flash from?
[10:21] <sehe> nosrednaekim: my chrooting habit is a gentoo-ism i suspect :D lol
[10:21] <voidmage> it thinks it's xfs
[10:22] <nosrednaekim> sehe: thats what I always did till someone shoed me --root-directory
[10:22] <sehe> nosrednaekim: hehe learning everyday
[10:22] <zblach_> nosrednaekim: can you have my ghost killed?
[10:22] <sehe> zblach_: excuse me
[10:22] <compilerwriter> nosrednaekim I have now installed the package
[10:22] <nosrednaekim> zblach_: sorry not an admin. try #ubuntu-ops
[10:22] <voidmage> yeah.
[10:22] <zblach_> i'm in #python too
[10:23] <sehe> zblach_: ic
[10:23] <nosrednaekim> compilerwriter: I think you ahve to right click on the panel, add applet, the app's name
[10:23] <zblach_> sehe, take no offense. sorry
[10:23] <voidmage> I have the same error as http://www.nabble.com/Report-bugs-to-<bug-grub%40gnu.org>-t4161638.html
[10:23] <sehe> zblach_: hehe was just curious :D
[10:24] <jussio1> sehe: i cant pm right now
[10:24] <bdexterholland> what's the name of brazilian channel?
[10:24] <Schuenemann> !br
[10:24] <ubotu> Por favor use #ubuntu-br ou #ubuntu-pt  para ajuda em portugus. Obrigado.
[10:24] <sehe> jussio1: np i closed the tab already :D
[10:24] <compilerwriter> Got it there nosrednaekim
[10:24] <combo> - is this possible to install AIGLX (ati radeon 9600) on Feisty ?
[10:24] <compilerwriter> Thanks
[10:24] <bdexterholland> \help
[10:25] <sehe> '/help' ?
[10:25] <sehe> uhoh i hope i didn put him off
[10:25] <jhutchins> voidmage: That's an error message telling you it's safe to ignore the error message.
[10:26] <voidmage> oh
[10:26] <voidmage> heh
[10:26] <nosrednaekim> voidmage: ok run this command " sudo grub-install --root-directory=/media/<mountpoint> /dev/<HD code name>"
[10:26] <voidmage> I got it now.
[10:26] <sehe> voidmage: good!
[10:26] <voidmage> is that the last thing ubiquity does?
[10:27] <voidmage> as in I can reboot safely now?
[10:27] <compilerwriter> Now how do I make it work so that the tasy menu pops up when I left click on the desktop? nosrednaekim
[10:28] <nosrednaekim> voidmage: yeah... did that work?
[10:28] <voidmage> i'm rebooting now.
[10:28] <nosrednaekim> compilerwriter: I don't know if you can
[10:28] <voidmage> nope, I got a grub prompt
[10:29] <nosrednaekim> voidmage: what?
[10:29] <voidmage> it threw me to a grub prompt
[10:29] <voidmage> maybe it didn't setup a menu.lst
[10:30] <jussio1> voidmage: sounds like you just need to specify root etc
[10:30] <jussio1> !grub
[10:30] <ubotu> grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[10:30] <compilerwriter> Thanks nosrednaekim
[10:30] <nosrednaekim> voidmage: did you get the grub prompt b4?
[10:30] <nosrednaekim> compilerwriter: NP
[10:30] <voidmage> no, that was my first boot
[10:31] <voidmage> all I got was a grub prompt
[10:32] <voidmage> zomg, nvidia-glx-new finally hit the repos with 100 series drivers
[10:32] <mariooliveira> where is  pxelinux.0 in  kubunt cd?
[10:32] <jussio1> voidmage: try folling the first link instructions after the sudo grub bit - ie. root (hd0,1) etc
[10:32] <hayami> hi i have a problem with videos
[10:32] <nosrednaekim> voidmage:  oh... this is a fresh install?
[10:32] <voidmage> yeah
[10:32] <hayami> i see little blue squares what should i do xD?
[10:33] <voidmage> oh
[10:33] <voidmage> i have no menu.lst
[10:34] <hayami> help please xD
[10:34] <sehe> hayami: ermmm... a question please
[10:35] <hayami> well, when i play a video or movie, all ok, but little squares are in the display why man?
[10:35] <hayami>  blue little squares friend
[10:35] <vge> video type?
[10:35] <hayami> =o?
[10:35] <sehe> hayami: sry I missed that line :)
[10:36] <voidmage> okay, that should have worked
[10:36] <sehe> hayami: like in nvida/ait or GL or non-GL
[10:36] <hayami> =o
[10:36] <hayami> i have an intel
[10:36] <sehe> atu* ^^
[10:36] <sehe> ati* hahah
[10:36] <sehe> intel graphics?
[10:36] <hayami> i810 it's the driver
[10:36] <hayami> or something like that
[10:36] <sehe> laptop?
[10:36] <hayami> yes friend
[10:37] <sehe> k
[10:37] <hayami> 935ABG or something like that
[10:37] <vge> well, i think i have the same, but if he dont see squares in normal display it's not a gpu problem imho
[10:37] <hayami> let me send you a picture of the problem
[10:37] <sehe> i don't have experience with them but afaik most laptop gracards are pretty uncomplicated and shouldn be the cause of problems.
[10:37] <vge> u have the correct video codecs?
[10:37] <voidmage> okay
[10:37] <voidmage> this time it should work
[10:38] <araizen> what command do i run to install a .deb i just downloaded?
[10:38] <voidmage> error 18: selected cylinder exceeds maximum supported by bios
[10:39] <Schuenemann> !intel
[10:39] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about intel - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[10:39] <sehe> dpkg -i
[10:39] <sehe> araizen: ^^
[10:39] <araizen> sehe: thanks
[10:39] <nosrednaekim> voidmage: sotry, I have to go
[10:39] <araizen> sehe: i assume sudo dpkg -i?
[10:39] <sehe> araizen: or in Konqueror, right click, package actions, install :)
[10:39] <Schuenemann> !nvidia
[10:39] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[10:39] <sehe> araizen: sudo of course. konqueror will ask the pass
[10:40] <araizen> oh, if i already had an older version of the software installed, will that hurt?
[10:40] <sehe> araizen: almost like being on windows, innit? just rightclick
[10:40] <hayami> xD
[10:40] <hayami> i take the pictures
[10:40] <hayami> but
[10:40] <sehe> araizen: normally, no: deb files contain their dependencies (references) and i think the upgrade is based on the package names
[10:41] <hayami> in the picture all it's blue
[10:41] <araizen> sehe, thanks
[10:41] <sehe> araizen: unless you are packages maintained by various authors, you should be fine
[10:41] <hayami> so that means i can't take pictures from a video? or what xD
[10:41] <araizen> except now it gets me dependency problems, so i probably have to go and download those
[10:41] <araizen> so no, it's not exactly like windows
[10:41] <sehe> araizen: ok, good point
[10:42] <hayami> xD well the problem is that the video is runing i can see it but with a lot of little blue squares
[10:42] <sehe> araizen: i'm sure you can get around that by somehow adding the local package to synaptics, and let synaptics work out the des - however I never tried that
[10:42] <Schuenemann> !pastebin
[10:42] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[10:42] <sehe> deps^^
[10:43] <sehe> Schuenemann: whom are you !-ing to?
[10:43] <voidmage> hmm.
[10:43] <voidmage> what if I install a separate boot partition?
[10:43] <Schuenemann> sehe, whay?
[10:43] <Schuenemann> what?
[10:44] <sehe> Schuenemann: you tell ! pastebin but no ones apparently going to post something?
[10:44] <Schuenemann> I need the page
[10:44] <Schuenemann> needed
[10:44] <sehe> Schuenemann: kkkkk sry :D
[10:44] <hayami> is it a problem with my driver?
[10:44] <sehe> Schuenemann: earlier you said '! intel' (also for own use?)
[10:45] <Schuenemann> yeah... and the bot doesn't know what intel is
[10:45] <sehe> Schuenemann: just your luck
[10:45] <sehe> Schuenemann: I'd like to find a page with bot factoids
[10:45] <sehe> Schuenemann:  that link is broken :D
[10:45] <voidmage> hmm.
[10:46] <bryce_> Hello folks!
[10:46] <voidmage> that would explain why the /boot partition then.
[10:46] <Schuenemann> I'd like to use GLX with my intel card
[10:46] <hayami> so then
[10:46] <hayami> i'm lost? xD
[10:46] <sehe> Schuenemann: i'd say --> forums but maybe you tried
[10:46] <Schuenemann> I didn't, but I have bad luck there
[10:47] <hayami> and the weird thing is that my resolution can go to 1990 x 1440 and here i just have 1024x 768
[10:47] <sehe> Schuenemann: things like this normally involve (1) a hardware list (2) a steps-to-install list... Typically something I find on forums. I'd have a try
[10:47] <hayami> why is that?
[10:48] <sehe> hayami: because the monitor is not correctly detected. The 'modelines' (or their modern equivs?) are not present for the high res modes
[10:48] <sehe> !resolution | hayami
[10:48] <ubotu> hayami: The X Window System is the part of your system that's responsible for graphical output. To restart your X, type  sudo /etc/init.d/?dm restart  in a console - To fix screen resolution or other X problems: http://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[10:49] <combo> can some1 help in question: beryl or compiz? (AIGLX, ATI Radeon 9600 - my computer is average - little old stuff :) )
[10:49] <hayami> o i see
[10:49] <sehe> combo: depends a bit, try?
[10:50] <hayami> well i hope i don't destroy my lap, i'm a beginner here, i have two days with kubuntu :P
[10:50] <sayers> !paste
[10:50] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[10:50] <combo> sehe: eee... what? :)
[10:50] <sehe> combo: you mean as in which wm to choose.
[10:50] <sehe> hayami: you can always backup /etc/Xorg before any changes
[10:50] <combo> sehe: i just want someone to help me what choose - beryl or compiz. i guess it's not the same
[10:51] <sehe> hayami: I actually once saved my ass by restoring xorg.conf from the livecd :D
[10:51] <combo> i'm just little bored with all those beryl effects (fire effect, cube, etc.) so i thinking about compiz
[10:51] <sehe> combo: no it isn't. the projects have been branched, but I think they merged again into the current beryl
[10:51] <combo> i heard it's more stable than beryl
[10:51] <sehe> combo: could be. in fact it is probably a small subset :D
[10:52] <combo> sehe: ok then, i'll try compiz (before used only beryl)
[10:52] <combo> sehe: thx :] 
[10:52] <sehe> combo: I use beryl however so I don't know which features are in compiz. I do know that it is easy to switch if you have them both installed (beryl-manager, slect wm, beryl/compiz):D
[10:53] <combo> sehe: actually i just need windows decaration (in beryl called EMERALD THEME) - in compiz is something similar?
[10:53] <combo> sehe: oh i see... u don;t know
[10:53] <combo> sehe: ok:)
[10:53] <combo> sehe: and what is 'wm' ??
[10:53] <sehe> combo: i think i have heard that compiz uses emerald as well (might be the thing that came from compiz all the way)
[10:53] <sehe> !wm | combo
[10:53] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about wm - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[10:54] <sehe> window-manager
[10:54] <combo> sehe: ok then, so trying COMPIZ
[10:54] <combo> sehe: thx for help me choose :d
[10:54] <sehe> combo: so wm ==> kwin, twm, fwce, enlightenment, compiz, beryl
[10:54] <combo> sehe: yeap, know already :)
[10:54] <sehe> combo soz good luck
[10:55] <combo> sehe: hehe, thx... cuz luck is strongly recomended, especial with new stuff :D
[10:55] <hayami> thanks
[10:55] <sehe> combo: yup
[10:55] <hayami> i will
[10:55] <sehe> hayami: good luck as well
[10:55] <hayami> reboot the xserver
[10:56] <hayami> thanks sehe be back if i can :p
[10:56] <sehe> hayami: i'll see you later then
[10:57] <sehe> k loox like as good a time as any to go to bed
[10:57] <sehe> nn
[10:58] <wwcross> nn
[10:58] <BluesKaj> which flash plugin works on the web in Konqueror ?
[10:58] <wwcross> i use firefox
[10:59] <BluesKaj> so do I but i like konqueror for some sites
[11:00] <BluesKaj> wwcross, telling others what you use doesn't answer the question , does it ?
[11:01] <wwcross> sorry i was making the point that i dont know, sorry to make idiotic staitment
[11:04] <hayami> hi
[11:04] <hayami> friends problem fixed!!! thanks sehe
[11:04] <magicalmoose> hurrah
[11:05] <hayami> and now i can see the videos without little blue squares, but the problem now is that the image is not constant, it shakes a little
[11:05] <a589thRuin> lskdjfaf
[11:05] <hayami> can i fix that problem?
[11:05] <a589thRuin> whore
[11:15] <voidmage> ugh.
[11:15] <voidmage> i can't seem to get the installer to work
[11:16] <voidmage> i'll try alternate cd
[11:18] <worms> Hello
[11:18] <worms> Somebody speak frech ???
[11:19] <worms> quelqu'un parle franais
[11:19] <sammy> hrm. msn works fine from this machine, in the same network location, with other clients, with no setup. it just dies silently with kopete. i guess I'll head to the kde or kopete channel.
[11:19] <dori> un petit peu
[11:19] <worms> dori j'ai un probleme de son
[11:19] <sammy> worms: translate.google.com !
[11:19] <worms> je suis sur ubuntu et je n'ai pas de son
[11:20] <worms> sammy: i've no sound on my computer
[11:21] <stdin> !fr
[11:21] <ubotu> Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.
[11:21] <worms> stdin: i'v found nothing on ubuntu.fr
[11:21] <DRK-AAM> Hola, anybody who's ever had to rescue a system here?
[11:22] <stdin> worms: there's #ubuntu-fr and #kubuntu-fr  have you tried both?
[11:22] <sammy> stdin: haha wonderful, thank you, I was busy trying to translate responses that made sense :P
[11:22] <wwcross> i once had to rescue my X-Server after a rather dodgy attempt at a self Beryl install
[11:22] <worms> i going to tray kubuntu.fr
[11:23] <dori> worms: kinfocenter est qu'il ya quelque chose li?
[11:23] <stdin> dori: if you want to talk french, do it in the french channel
[11:23] <DRK-AAM> worms, vas-y, c un channel completement francophone
[11:24] <stdin> !en
[11:24] <ubotu> The #ubuntu, #kubuntu and #xubuntu channels are english only. For a complete list of channels in other languages, please visit http://help.ubuntu.com/community/InternetRelayChat
[11:24] <dori> stdin: I don't, I can barely make myself understood
[11:25] <DRK-AAM> wwcross: Cause I don't know what I did, but I had the good idea to migrate from gnome to kde...
[11:25] <DRK-AAM> wwcross: but beryl never gave me any trouble... :P
[11:26] <DRK-AAM> Just to let you guys know, worms has finally understood, he's in ubuntu-fr... lol
[11:27] <sammy> OH I know what I was going to ask in here. is there a way for me to enable debugging in a package? I might want to go digging through apt-get documentation...
[11:27] <wwcross> DRK-AAM i messed up the .conf file
[11:27] <sammy> since I can't get any sort of error message AT ALL out of kopete's msn plugin, but I don't want to just go compiling from source with debugging symbols, since I can connect to msn from other clients in kubuntu
[11:28] <sammy> so I have no idea where to start with trying to figure out why it dies silently.
[11:28] <DRK-AAM> wwcross: would you know how I could go about just reinstalling kubuntu but keeping my files, the progs, I don't mind losing them
[11:29] <wwcross> DRK-AAM: sorry i have no idea m8
[11:30] <DRK-AAM> It's ok, I guess someone will see this, so, I just need patience... were you able to repair beryl in the end^
[11:31] <wwcross> i got it working, but i went back to the normal KDE
[11:32] <DRK-AAM> wwcross: Anyways, in a couple months, gutsy'll be out w/ compiz fusion as the default desktop manager... Oh yeah
[11:32] <wwcross> very cool lookin,
[11:33] <wwcross> Gnome is 10 today
[11:33] <DRK-AAM> today??
[11:33] <jhutchins> DRK-AAM: That ought to keep the channel busy.
[11:33] <DRK-AAM> lol
[11:34] <wwcross> lol
[11:34] <jhutchins> DRK-AAM: Seeing as it still doesn't work for most users.
[11:34] <DRK-AAM> Hmmm... True...
[11:34] <wwcross> fusion needs better GFX
[11:36] <DRK-AAM> And as proud representative of the n00bz, it'll also need to be packaged for easier installation...
[11:37] <DRK-AAM> let me tell ya, the hours I spent on installing just beryl!
[11:37] <wwcross> yeah
[11:39] <wwcross> Firepaint. cool but donno what use it is
[11:39] <mintsoup> is there any way to make window redraw when dragging a window over top of another a little faster?
[11:40] <Angelus> where is kde and qt installed?
[11:48] <gdiebel> mintsoup: that is mostly dependent on your graphics hardware. are you using nvidia or ati binary drivers, or the ones included with xorg? also, you can configure kde to only show window outlines when dragging a window around
[11:53] <mintsoup> i don't remember exactly my drivers, but i am using an ati card with xgl drivers or something like that..
[11:54] <Dexter_F> does kubuntu use apple style hinting?
[11:55] <_wintermute_> Dexter_F: how do you mean
[11:55] <gdiebel> Dexter_F: not quite. freetype hinting is similar to apple if using autohinter. more close to microsoft style hinting if using the bytecode interpreter. also depends on which fonts. some look great with freetype bytecode, some not. autohinter is more consistent
[11:56] <Dexter_F> gdiebel: ok, lemme sum up: 3 options, apple, FT auto, none.
[11:56] <Dexter_F> apple=illegal, FT=ok for most
[11:57] <Dexter_F> or is FT hinting and FT+autohinting yet another thing?
[11:59] <der_fox> any germans in here ?
[11:59] <gdiebel> Dexter_F: not exactly. the autohinter does not infringe on patents. the bytecode interpreter may. it is enabled by default in debian/ubuntu. so, technically speaking, default ubuntu may be infringing.
[11:59] <trekdanne> !de
[11:59] <ubotu> Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de
[12:00] <trekdanne> der_fox: even if there are they are not allowed to speak german :P
[12:01] <Eeyore-Jr> is there a way to check a system for defaults, against an attack in kubuntu?
[12:01] <carbonfreeze> anyone having issues passing vga= options to kernel on boot? tribe4+. I get a blank screen instead of normal verbose output
[12:01] <trekdanne> carbonfreeze: what value are you passing
[12:02] <Dexter_F> gdiebel: *that's* what I wanted to hear. I'm installing debian Etch on an other box and wondered why font's are so f?!*ing ugly there.
[12:02] <carbonfreeze> trekdanne: wait 1.
[12:02] <trekdanne> carbonfreeze: i'm using vga=791 for a nice 1024x786
[12:02] <trekdanne> carbonfreeze: hmm i think it should be a resolution or "ask"
[12:03] <carbonfreeze> trekdanne: I tried that and vga=0x318 etc and all i get is blank screen.
[12:03] <Eeyore-Jr> a way to check the integrity of a system?
[12:03] <carbonfreeze> trekdanne: this is with verbose option
[12:03] <gdiebel> Dexter_F: so if you prefer closer to apple style, just pick slight hinting in your control panel, that forces autohinter. or you can "sudo dpkg-reconfigure fontconfig-config" and pick autohinting. uh debian and ubuntu fonts are both using the same hinting by default.
[12:03] <trekdanne> carbonfreeze: hmm i dunno really never had any problems with that switch
[12:04] <carbonfreeze> trekdanne: I didn't either, until doing a dist-upgrade from 7.04 to 7.10 tribe4 about 2 weeks ago
[12:05] <carbonfreeze> trekdanne: tried forcing fb device in options (radeonfb and a couple others) to no effect.
[12:07] <trekdanne> carbonfreeze: what kernel are you using
[12:07] <Eeyore-Jr> !mp3
[12:07] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[12:08] <carbonfreeze> trekdanne: 2.6.22-9
[12:09] <carbonfreeze> trekdanne: it has been a problem since the first 7.10 kernel that was used with tribe4; and each kernel since.
[12:10] <trekdanne> hmm strange indeed
[12:14] <familia> hola a todos
[12:14] <trekdanne> carbonfreeze: hmm maybe ask in #kubuntu-devel ?
[12:15] <der_fox> #kubuntu-de
[12:15] <der_fox> jaaaaaaaaaaaa
[12:15] <der_fox> mein compiz luft :D
[12:16] <voidmage> was anyone here when I was asking about my reinstall troubles?
[12:16] <voidmage> turns out the hard drive died.
[12:18] <NickPresta> voidmage, heh. I'm glad you found a solution.
[12:21] <trekdanne> does the *ubuntu alternative installation disc use ncurses (like slackware and debian)?
[12:22] <Dexter_F> gdiebel: well, that's odd then, for the character spacing as well as the chars themselves are wider than on this feisty box
[12:26] <Biovore> trekdanne: yes.. it all text based.. just like debian's installer
[12:27] <trekdanne> Biovore: ok nice
[12:32] <gdiebel> Dexter_F: that could be due to many other factors than hinting, font size or face, screen dpi. There are many things involved in getting nice fonts. search ubuntuforums for subpixel hinting for feisty. that gives you a new method of filtering the subpixel fringing that occurs in freetype (similar to ms cleartype) it makes for fairly accurate glyphs with sharpness and contrast as good as or better than windows.
[12:35] <Dexter_F> gdiebel: CRT, so subpixels are no concern. forcing both servers to 96dpi via kcontrol.
[12:35] <Dexter_F> guess ill clone the according .kde files and see what I can get