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nooseislooseI just upgraded to gutsy, and now gtkterm reads in what looks like garbage from a serial connection.  this is a serial connection-config that I have used many times.  I suspect some unicode treachery, has anyone had similar?01:17
pvandewyngaerdenot me01:18
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Sayersso why don't sounds work in Pidgin on Xubuntu?02:14
nooseislooseSayers I am running Pidgin, and my sound works02:14
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Sayersnooseisloose: not here, but sound works over all02:15
InstabinIn update manager i have distribution updates... How do I install them?02:15
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InstabinIt wont let me put a check in the box02:15
xtknightInstabin, sudo apt-get dist-upgrade  ?02:15
Instabinhumm not sure if its working right02:16
Instabinnope didnt work02:17
xtknightthen you have no update02:17
xtknightif some say "held back" then i think that's because they're broken and dont want people to install them yet02:18
InstabinI'll try rebooting02:19
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InstabinNope still cant get them.. its a new kernel headers, modules, and restricted modules02:23
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InstabinMaybe they are updating the nvidia-glx-new to 100.14.1102:24
ggilbertThey did this morning02:25
ggilbertor last night02:25
InstabinI didnt get that update...02:25
ggilbertmaybe it needs to propagate to the actual archive first02:25
ggilbertone sec02:26
InstabinWhere can i check that?02:26
Instabinright now mines at 1.0.9755+ and it says its the latest02:26
ggilberti386 or amd64?02:28
Instabinwell the generic kenel02:28
ggilbertlooks like a bug :)02:29
Instabinoh great... a bug in what?02:29
Instabinthe package management system or the repository?02:30
ggilbertInstabin, try dmesg | grep nvidia02:30
Instabin[   42.341444]  nvidia: module license 'NVIDIA' taints kernel.02:31
ggilberthmmm, try dmest | grep -i nvidia02:31
Instabinloaded kernel module 1.0-975502:32
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ggilbertoh, different version02:34
Instabin[   42.655684]  NVRM: loading NVIDIA UNIX x86 Kernel Module  1.0-9755  Mon Feb 26 23:21:15 PST 200702:35
ggilbertlooks like you just need to wait a day or two02:35
ggilbertor download the source for linux-restricted-modules and rebuild it02:35
InstabinWhere can i check the status of it in the repo02:35
ggilbert9.8 is the only one built so far, but the source was uploaded for 10.102:36
InstabinIm seeing linux headers to but I dont even have the fist version02:37
ggilbertI don't imagine it'll take too long to build02:37
InstabinI have
ggilbertYeah, 10.1 is where the new driver is02:38
Instabinis there a status page i can look at to check the build?02:38
ggilbertI don't know02:38
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ggilbertI'm just looking at what files have appeared on archive.ubuntu.com02:39
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Instabinggilbert where are the sources02:41
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martalliIf apt-get and aptitude offer different solutions for upgrading gutsy, should I just go with apt-get?02:53
martalliI am beginning to suspect aptitude.  Currently, apt-get mentions the new linux packages for 2.6.22-9, but does not offer to install them.  Aptitude helpfully offers that they are broken, then suggests  http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/34592/ - I take it I ought to forget about aptitude and just stick with apt-get?02:54
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flaccidanybody got cisco vpn client going on gutsy?03:03
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Arwen...why is linux-meta at 2.6.22-10 when linux is at 2.6.22-903:06
martalliArwen: I don't know...but maybe that is why apt-get refuses to install 2.6.22-9 for me (and aptitude calls it a broken package)03:09
Arwenyeah, means that someone's still compiling the real kernel and decided that poisoning the repository with broken metapackages would be a good idea03:10
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martallibetter than restarting into the cli when I am reading digg tonight03:11
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philip_beryl in Gutsy screws up the titlebar again :(03:27
Arwenberyl is dead software...03:27
nosrednaekim   use compiz... its way better03:28
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teethdoodI've always thought beryl was better03:32
teethdoodanyways, compiz fails to render the titlebar also03:32
h1st0compiz fusion is where its at brother03:32
nosrednaekimteethdood: get emerald.03:32
h1st0well yeah compiz fusion and emerald03:33
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nosrednaekimteethdood: an then run "emerald --replace" and you'll have your title bar.03:33
teethdoodnosrednaekim, emerald --replace did nothing :(03:34
teethdoodI'll try compiz fusion03:34
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Arwenit didn't do nothing. It must have done *something*03:34
nosrednaekimteethdood: you have to install emerald ya know as well as compiz fusion03:35
teethdoodI thought you meant with beryl...beryl and emerald03:35
teethdoodanyway yeah I know I'm installing compiz fusion now brb03:35
teethdoodone good thing is that video files play nice in beryl et al now03:36
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teethdoodI can't find compiz fusion in the repos03:40
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teethdoodis it the same as the compiz packages?03:41
Amaranthif you install compiz it also installs the compiz-fusion addons03:42
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teethdoodthanks :)03:43
teethdoodso I have compiz (fusion) installed and running with emerald, "emerald --replace" does nothing in the console :(03:43
nosrednaekimteethdood: how do you know compiz is running?03:45
teethdoodnosrednaekim, I switched to it using beryl-manager03:45
Arwenhmm, when I run compiz, I get massive desktop corruption03:45
Arwenteethdood, don't do that, it doesn't work03:45
nosrednaekimteethdood: that doesn't work03:45
teethdoodah sorry03:45
nosrednaekimteethdood:  run "compiz --replace" from the command line03:46
teethdoodcompiz --replace executed successfully, but emerald --replace still does nothing03:47
Arwenhttp://img217.imageshack.us/img217/4513/screenshothp2.png <-- lol @ compiz failure03:48
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Arwenteethdood, look, it can't "do nothing". It has to do *something* and unless you tell us what that is, we're unlikely to be able to help you.03:48
teethdoodArwen, after I hit enter on the command, it does literally nothing for 10-15 seconds and the command line reappears03:52
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kingrayrayquick issue with desktop effects, ive fixed it before but i cant recall the solution03:56
kingrayray /usr/bin/compiz.real (core) - Warn: No GLXFBConfig for depth 3203:56
kingrayraysomething in xorg.conf right?03:56
Arwenyeah, change your default depth to 24 instead of 3203:56
Arwendon't quite remember how it's done though03:57
kingrayraywell according to xorg.conf my default depth is 2403:57
Arwenhttp://knowledge76.com/index.php/XGL/Compiz_Nvidia_32bit#.22I_can.27t_get_titlebars_to_show_or_themes_to_change.22 <-- dunno, this is the textbook response03:59
kingrayrayyeah my xorg.conf is fine04:00
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kingrayrayi just had to add the addargbglxvisuals thing04:03
kingrayrayfixed now04:03
Arwenthere we go, that's what I forgot04:04
kingrayrayyeah thats what i had to do last time i just couldn't remmeber what it was04:04
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zeebleheya.. how do i install acroread in gibbon? it used to be in multiverse earlier04:43
Kousotuzeeble: you can' "install" acrobat on it04:43
zeebleas in?04:43
zeeblefrom tgz?04:43
Kousotubut search symantic for PDF04:43
Kousotuthereare plentf of them in Gutsy04:44
zeebleyeah, i installed xpdf04:44
KousotuI got lke 4 lol04:44
Kousotuwhat do you ed Acrobat?04:44
zeeblebut i've this doc that works with acrobat.... as it uses some pdf form stuff04:44
zeeblenot a doc, but a .pdf04:44
Kousotuand xpdf doesnt open it?04:45
zeebleit does, but it isnt editable. there are fields there, where i should be able to put in data, and at the end, it generates a pdf i can print and file taxes with04:45
zeeblemaybe i'll download the version from adobe's site and see if it installs properly04:46
Kousotuit should04:46
Kousotuleme go se about that on my Fedora wirtual machine04:46
zeebleanother thing as well... how do i install the w32codecs?04:46
zeeblei dont get it either.. from multiverse..04:47
Kousotuwhat are those for?04:47
zeeblecodecs for multimedia files encoded with windows only compression04:47
zeebleand such like. yes.04:47
Kousotuor the like04:47
zeebleused to get it from debian-multimedia earlier, then it came into multiverse..04:48
zeebleloads of time04:48
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zeeblei like the nicks here04:48
KousotuI have a fedora core running emulated atm04:48
atomicpotatogah, the image viewer now has that obnoxious toolbar in fullscreen mode04:48
atomicpotatohow do I make it disappear?04:48
zeeblewhat image viewer?04:48
zeeblei use feh.. it has no toolbars04:49
atomicpotatodefault one :-\04:49
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atomicpotatonever bothered getting another one04:49
zeeblelet me checkc04:49
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zeeblei see what you mean04:50
zeebledunno about that.. howto remove it i mean04:51
zeebleyou could use feh though. install feh, then cd to the directory and say feh *.jpg04:51
atomicpotatoyeah, now I have to find another GTK image viewer04:51
atomicpotatobah, feh is ugly04:51
zeeblewell, then apt-get install pornview04:51
ameyerumm, I think that program needs to be renamed...04:52
ameyerI almost !ohmy'd04:52
zeeblewhatever happened to fspot? doesnt it have a full screen mode?04:53
atomicpotatohuh, I can just use gthumb instead04:53
atomicpotatoI don't like f-spot04:53
zeeblei dont see how they didnt go forward by one alphabet and didnt call it g-spot04:53
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Kousotu!language | zeeble04:56
zeebleo.o :\04:57
ameyerthat's not that bad04:57
ameyerI mean, it is GTK, isn't it?04:58
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Kousotuzeeble: I have the link, just a sec04:58
ameyerand don't most gtk programs start with g?04:58
zeebleKousotu: ok04:58
zeeblemaybe it was written by some puritan developer04:58
ameyeror at least many?04:58
Kousotuno prob04:59
ameyerzeeble: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/F_stop05:00
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KousotuI didn't know you COULD edit pdf, even in windows05:00
zeeblef stop sounds like a camera thing05:00
ameyerzeeble: indeed05:01
ameyerit is05:01
zeeblewell, then i know what it is.. /me contributes stuff to a newspaper at times :)05:01
zeebleand my salary goes into buying lenses :(05:01
ameyerI suspect that's why it's fspot05:02
zeebleah, ok05:02
ameyerand Acrobat can edit pdfs in windoze05:02
Kousotuameyer: I never knew that lol05:03
zeeblei'll tell you what this acrobat file does.. it has forms, where you put in your details, general details, tax details, and then it can generate a print ready file, and even an XML file you can upload05:03
ameyernot the free reader, the $$$ software05:04
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Kousotuameyer: I downloaded that once05:04
zeebleoh cool. found mrxvt in the repository. so much better than gnome-terminal05:04
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zeebleanyone recommend some good clen fonts? for general use, and in the console.. something like lucida grande, etc?05:08
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KousotuI use ugly fonts05:12
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zeeblethat's one of the first things i do.. change the fonts, etc05:14
KousotuI do too05:15
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Kousotuto ugly ones05:15
zeebleyou a jeri ryan fan?05:16
Dannilionhave there been any other Seven of Nines that no-one told me about? :p05:17
Dannilionyay! finally got compiz-fusion to work!05:23
zeeblemy laptop doesnt support any of that stuff05:24
Kousotusux to be you?05:25
zeeblei guess.05:25
Dannilionnow I have it working on my desktop, I can get it working on my laptop05:25
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zeebledoes it need any open gl support video card or something?05:25
Hobbseedoes emerald actually work with compiz fusion, though?05:26
Dannilionworks fine05:26
zeeblemine uses intel 915 chipset.. with 128mb shared vram05:26
Danniliononce the themes are installed05:26
zeeblenot for me then.05:26
Dannilionzeeble- so does my laptop- it should work05:26
Kousotuintel 95005:26
zeebleDannilion: yeah? where's some instructions?05:26
zeeblemine is 915. it doesnt support 3d/opengl05:27
Dannilionthat's a hard one :p05:27
zeeblethe 950 is what the macbooks come with.. they do all that.05:27
Dannilionmine's 94505:28
zeebleyeah. that should run all of it then.05:28
zeeblewhy do you think i havent touched any of the compiz stuff :\05:28
roeanyone wanna give me a hand diagnosing why my nfs share won't mount on gutsy? it returns: mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock05:30
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flaccidThe following packages have unmet dependencies:05:54
flaccid  linux-headers-generic: Depends: linux-headers-2.6.22-10-generic but it is not installable05:54
Solarionyeah, I get that too05:54
flacciddo they usually update repos without the packages there05:55
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KousotuI have some updates pop up, but they're greyed out06:07
Kousotuanyone know why?06:08
zeeblegreyed out where?06:09
Kousotuon the updte list06:09
Kousotunot I got other isues..06:09
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Kousotu<Kousotu> anyone know how to disable a touchpad on a laptop?06:14
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LinksysHi, is anyone able to help me with my Desktop effects??06:39
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UbulindyIm using Tribe 4, and I need the command to get the audio codecs for divx, mpeg, and vcd's06:41
Ubulindyran synaptic, and it said to put in the alpha cd06:41
UbulindyVLC, and Totem work great, got the unrar, for the file roller, but no audio06:42
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zeebletype aumix and see if your speaker volume is turned up06:42
Ubulindyit is, I have system sounds, just no audio for DVD's divx, ect06:43
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Ubulindyyes, and now all of a sudden, even the system sounds are very low06:44
Ubulindybarely audible06:44
zeeblewhere did you get the codecs for divx, etc?06:44
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Ubulindywhen I got the file roller working, it brought up totem, and then I got a dialogue box, saying it would do a further search for the codecs, so, Im not sure where it reterived them06:45
Ubulindythey were no in synaptic, like I said, and it asked for the alpha cd06:46
zeeblewhat's file roller?06:46
Ubulindyarchive mangr06:46
zeeblehow did file roller install all that?06:46
UbulindyI did sudo apt-get unrar06:46
UbulindyI have no idea, but it did06:46
Ubulindyas soon as I got the unrar, the file roller did the rest06:46
Ubulindyjust like it used to in Dapper 6.0606:47
Ubulindythere is simply no audio to play a divx thru totem, or vlc, and no way I can tell to get them06:48
Ubulindyany ideas?06:49
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Ubulindyzeeble, can you think of anything that I can do?06:49
DougieI'm trying to install from a usb dvd drive and the install is saying that it can't find modules for the cdrom device or something like that06:50
Ubulindyit seems I dont have the number of repositories that I had in Dapper either. Me thinks I shouldve waited for the stable version06:50
Ubulindydougie, mine did the same thing06:51
zeebleUbulindy: heh. i installed gusty like 2 days ago06:51
Ubulindyya, me too, 2 days ago06:51
Dougiehow'd you fix it?06:51
Ubulindyany probs with yours?06:51
zeeblei havent checked if i can play dvds/divx06:51
zeeblelet me check06:51
UbulindyI had to take my machine down the road to a programmers' house06:52
Ubulindyhe fixed it06:52
UbulindyI worked on it til I was blue in the face06:52
Dougiewell it should be working fine06:52
zeebleask him to come down to your place :p06:52
Ubulindyhe cant06:52
Dougiemaybe its because its a USB Toshiba HD-DVD drive06:52
Ubulindyhad a skin condition, and cant go in the light06:52
zeebleyikes. mp3 audio works fine06:53
zeeblehe has a skin condition?06:53
zeebleor you?06:53
h1st0Alright who raped ubotu?06:53
zeeblethe mp3 volume nearly ripped my eardrums apart06:53
zeeblenow for a divx06:53
Ubulindyactually dougie, he said what had happened that somehow my drives had switched place06:53
Ubulindyand that the dcrom was now the dvd drive/cdrom06:53
zeeblei dont have the codecs for divx in the first place, Ubulindy06:54
Dougiewell the instillation is saying that it can't load drivers for it06:54
zeeblemuch less audio06:54
Ubulindylol, ya, that's the prob06:54
zeeblehow did you install the video drivers?06:54
zeeblethat's what i want to know06:54
zeeblecos, earlier, the w32 codecs were availble in multiverse, but the arent, in gusty. yet.06:54
Ubulindyzeeble, I do alot of p2p, and the prob is, that now I can actually watch any of the movies I have DL'd06:55
Ubulindyusing Deluge06:55
zeeblewhat's deluge?06:55
Dougiemight want to be careful what you say there Ubulindy ;) lol06:55
Ubulindythe new bittorrent client06:55
Dougieif your talking about free lance home video's its all good :-B06:55
Ubulindyhey, I could be just downloading mirrors for ubuntu dostros! LOL06:55
zeebleubuntu doesnt do divx files06:56
Ubulindyummm, yeah, they do06:56
zeeblethey do? ok06:56
zeeblenow i got to find divx codecs06:56
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Dougieyou have to install the umm06:56
Dougie......restricted codecs drivers06:57
Dougieor whatever its called06:57
zeeblebut what are they called?06:57
Ubulindylike I siad, I can watch them alright, always have, and now in Gutsy too, just no audio06:57
Dougieits a package in the portage or somethin06:57
zeeblethey used to be called w32codecs06:57
Ubulindyyes, that is what I did!06:57
Dougieits called restricted codecs06:57
Dougieor something like that06:57
Dougiebeen a whle06:57
Ubulindyyep, lol06:57
Dougietrying to get ubuntu studio installed but noone seems to be able to help mw06:57
Dougieso i can't look :) lol06:57
Ubulindydougie do you have a dvd, and a cd drawer?06:58
zeebleno. i have universe and multiverse in my sources.list and still no codec file in the package list06:58
Ubulindyyes, and I dont know how I got them!......06:58
Dougienope just usb drive....i do have a cd drive but not sure it works....could install it but the image is on a dvd so that won't really work06:59
Ubulindyall's I know, is when the archive mngr came up, after installing unrar.....06:59
Ubulindya dialogue box flew up, saying that I needed additional codecs, asked me if I wanted it to look for them, I said yes, it did, and it installed them07:00
Ubulindywas not thru synaptic07:00
UbulindyIm sure of that!07:00
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Ubulindyit was very weird07:00
Ubulindybut I was like, yayyyyyy!07:00
Dougiehold on07:01
Ubulindyand, I hear that the other codecs I need are in automatix, but cant get to that thru the command line either, bcs of the repos.07:01
zeebleyou have to download the automatix script first07:02
Ubulindyfrom where?07:02
UbulindyI tried that and it said it is not compat with this OS! LOL07:03
Ubulindythat is the same thing it told me in the terminal07:03
Ubulindylol, alot of bugs07:03
Ubulindyand my lappy took a dive, so, now, I HAVE to work this stuff out!07:04
UbulindyI know!07:04
zeeblei dont want to reinstall..07:04
Ubulindyme neither07:04
UbulindyIm not!07:04
UbulindyIm a die hard07:04
zeebleit reinstalled for the first time in 2 years07:04
Ubulindybut, this is likely gonna kill me, lol07:04
Ubulindyme 2, lol07:04
zeeblewell, keep on download your recreational movies07:04
zeeblewatch them when the new release comes out07:05
UbulindyIm sticking with it!07:05
Ubulindyya, well, what fun is that with no audio?07:05
zeebletry this07:05
Ubulindyhey, I could do subs! I did manage to install the codecs for subs!07:06
zeeblesudo apt-get install ubuntu-restricted-extras07:06
Ubulindyno version number nothing?07:06
Ubulindyhow will it know which distro Im using?07:07
Ubulindyok, hold07:07
Dougieok going to try this now07:07
Ubulindydoing now!07:07
zeeblenot sure whether it will work, ,but it installs some new packages, including java, etc07:07
zeebleand flash07:07
Ubulindyzeeble, you were taling to me, right?07:07
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Ubulindyahh, yes, I have no flash either07:07
zeeblei am installing it. but will take me loads of time on my slow connection07:08
Ubulindysaid again that I needed the alpha cd07:08
h1st0go download it.07:08
Ubulindyok, doing now, hold just 1 sec! My connection kicks butt!!!07:08
h1st0Ubulindy: www.ubuntu.com/testing07:08
zeebleno. he's already installed07:08
zeebletell me if audio works after that.07:08
zeeblewill wait.07:09
Ubulindy"couldnt find ubuntu restricted drivers"07:10
zeeblego sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list07:11
Ubulindysaid, couldnt find package ubuntu-restricted-drivers07:11
zeebleand there, disable the CD07:11
zeebleat the top by putting # before the line where the CD is07:12
zeebleand comment out the # before the other lines07:12
zeeblethen do sudo apt-get update07:12
Ubulindycant I just go into the software list and disable the cd repos?07:12
zeebleyou could07:12
Ubulindyok, brb07:12
zeeblebut i dunno howto use synaptic07:13
zeeblei do it from the termina07:13
Ubulindysynaptic does everything for you, the Download, and install, just one click, you mark everything for install, and then click apply, and bam!07:13
zeeblejust have to use it often enough to trust it07:14
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zeeblei have this distrust of gui stuff.07:14
Ubulindylol, I distrust it all07:14
Amaranthsynaptic uses libapt07:14
Amaranthso if it's broken so is apt07:14
Ubulindyand I did have it break one time07:14
Ubulindysomething to do with emacs07:15
Ubulindyeverything was fuxored07:15
Amaranthno, that's dpkg07:15
Amaranthyou got your system into a weird state07:15
Ubulindyhey, now something very weird happened, lol07:17
zeeblelike what?07:18
Ubulindywhen I disabled the cdrom, in software properties, it tried to install 69 new pkgs07:18
AhadielBe back in a minute or so, restarting modem/router.07:18
Ubulindythen, said that it couldnt install anything07:18
Ubulindysaid that I dont have an internet connection07:18
zeebleoh great07:19
zeeblemaybe you dont :p07:19
zeeblewho knows07:19
Ubulindyomg, no my notify icon just came up for sofware updates07:19
Ubulindyhow are we talking then???07:19
zeebletry again07:19
Ubulindylemme see what these updates are!07:19
zeebleclick on the notifier and see what happens07:19
UbulindyLOL, this is getting too funny07:19
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UbulindyBRB zeeble07:20
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deobfuscateAnyone happen to try tribe 4 on a Dell E170507:24
Ubulindyzeeble, it is installing now, a bunch of stuff for cups, and codecs, and libs for totem, vlc, and xine07:24
Ubulindy36 files07:24
deobfuscateHow is stability in general with tribe 407:24
Ubulindynow where the heck did that all just come from07:25
deobfuscateI switched to Feisty at herd 5 with little to no problems, think 4 is good enough07:25
UbulindyIve had NO crashes!07:25
UbulindyIm using tribe 407:25
Ubulindyjust alot of stuff missing, and no way to get the stuff yet07:25
deobfuscatesuch as07:27
Ubulindyflash, java, codecs, audio, ect07:27
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zeebleUbulindy: it was using stuff on your CD till now.when you removed it, it got the list of latest file from the ubuntu servers, and is now downloading them from there.07:28
Ubulindybut it wont remove the stuff I had, right?07:28
zeebledeobfuscate: for me, stuff like w32codecs, etc07:28
zeebleit will update your packages. not remove.07:28
zeebledeobfuscate: some package names seem to have changed.07:29
Ubulindyok, it's done, and still no sounds07:29
Ubulindyok, now where do I type that aumix?07:29
Ubulindyin the terminal?07:29
zeebleassuming aumix is installed07:29
Ubulindyjust that one word?07:30
Ubulindyok, hold07:30
zeebleyou dont need to do it07:30
zeebleif you are already getting system sounds07:30
Ubulindyaumix command not found07:30
zeebleand mp3 sounds07:30
zeeblethen leave it. not a problem. your problems are different. not related to anything aumix will solve07:31
Ubulindyok, so now what do you think?07:31
Ubulindywhy have system sounds gotten so low even?07:31
deobfuscateIf I have my / and /home on different partitions can I just refomat and mount / to the same place and just mount /home to the existing partition and not lose my data07:32
zeebleopen volume control07:32
zeebledeobfuscate: yes. that's the whole idea.07:32
zeebledo not choose format for your /home07:32
Ubulindyok, open07:32
deobfuscateSo all I have to do is mount both to the same place but just format / not /home07:32
deobfuscateWont there be stuff in home like the .program directories that are not used by anything07:33
bullgard4What kernel version will Gutsy likely use?07:33
Ubulindyok, zeeble, the volume control is open, now what?07:33
Ubulindya restricted one, lol07:34
UbulindyI dont know07:34
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zeebleare all the settings there at the top?07:34
zeeblebullgard4: right now, 2.6.22-907:34
Ubulindyyes, are07:34
zeeblethe master and pcm should be right at the top07:34
Ubulindymaster. pcm, line-in,cd, and mic07:34
Ubulindyyep, they are07:35
zeeblethen it is alright07:35
zeeblejust dunmo what happened to your sounds07:35
Ubulindyturned all the way up, right?07:35
Ubulindywhat about CD?07:35
Ubulindythat is up also07:35
zeeblepost your problems at ubuntuforums.org07:35
zeeblethat's fine07:35
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Ubulindyok, will do!07:35
zeeblemaybe someone who has the same problems with answers will reply back07:36
Ubulindylol,  then, Im likely not going to get an answer, cause they are having the same issues!07:36
Ubulindyzeeble, thank you soo much for all your help07:36
Ubulindybye for now!07:37
ggilbertOoops. I think I just accidently installed gutsy07:37
AyabaraAnyone got acrobat reader working on Gutsy?07:37
Ubulindy:*  >:D<07:37
Ubulindynot yet07:37
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bullgard4zeeble: What do mean by 'right now': "The Gutsy project just now is using kernel 2.6.22-9" or "From the present perspective, it is likely that Gutsy will come out in october having kernel revision 2.6.22-9"?07:38
zeeblebullgard4: the latter, probably. unless there is a big reason to change the kernel. i have found fom prvious releases that it could be 2.6.22-1407:39
zeebleby the time it releases07:39
bullgard4zeeble: Thank you very much for explaining.07:39
ggilbertI believe October 4th is the official Kernel freeze07:40
zeebleah, ok07:42
zeeblelots of tim07:42
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AhadielTomato => DD-WRT, brb upgrading.08:11
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chasetoyshey folks08:12
chasetoysanyon ehere?08:12
chasetoysi got think finger installed & such... but now when i authenticate it asks me for password *AND* finger print scan08:12
chasetoysi think thats a little excessive08:12
chasetoyshow can i make it finger print scan only08:12
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chowmeinedwill gutsy have openjdk?08:16
se7en^Of^9does someone know of a good Scrabble game on linux08:17
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chasetoyswhere did System => Preferences => Fonts go?08:19
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chowmeinedchasetoys: i think its under System -> Preferences -> Appearance?08:22
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chasetoysdoes anyone know how to fix my authenticatoin so that only my thinkfinger swipe is required?  (right now i am prompted for both password and thinkfinger swipe)08:30
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RAOFchasetoys: You probably need to check out /etc/pam.d08:34
chasetoysRAOF, any ideas what to chnage?08:35
chasetoysim also having trouble compiling alsa for gibbon08:36
RAOFchasetoys: Not really.  there's probably a pam-password-type @include or required or something in there.08:36
chasetoysRAOF, i have no idea what ot hcnage08:36
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flaccidany news on kept back   linux-headers-generic linux-image-386 linux-image-generic08:43
Hobbseeyeah, they're uploading another batch08:43
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chasetoyshey folks08:46
chasetoysi compiled alsa from source on my t61.... and now i can access alsamixer....08:46
chasetoysbut when i try to play back music such sa in xmms i get this error: ** WARNING **: oss_open(): Failed to open audio device (/dev/dsp): Device or resource busy08:46
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Kousotuhey Hobbsee08:50
flaccidchasetoys: is it a full duplex card08:50
chasetoysflaccid, http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/AD198408:51
chasetoysthats all i know about it08:51
Kousotuhow is you dis night?08:51
flaccidchasetoys: this should have a solution: http://wiki.debian.org/SoundFAQ08:51
Kousotuwell, afternoon for you lol08:52
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Kousotu1:52AM here08:52
Kousotuajmorris_: can I bug you a sec?08:52
chasetoyssounds wordks!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!108:53
chasetoysxmms doesnt work :(08:53
hyljexmms sucks08:53
chasetoysthere it goes08:54
chasetoyssound on gutsy gibbon on my t61 woot!08:54
chasetoysand volume buttons work too08:54
chasetoyscolor me impressed08:54
chasetoysactually the volume buttons do not affect volume up & down ... they affect MIC up/down ... anyway to change this?08:55
RAOFchasetoys: System->Preferences->Sound08:57
chasetoysRAOF, nifty!08:58
chasetoysthats a new feature08:59
chasetoysin gibbon huh08:59
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RAOFchasetoys: It's always been possible, but I forget if that capplet appeared first in gutsy or not.09:01
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chasetoysok next issue is the think finger09:04
KousotuI have isses wih a tochpad, I want it disabled09:04
chasetoyscan someon ehelp me figure out how to fix gdm's authentication09:05
chasetoysit asks me for a password & a swipe09:05
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dsasanyone else getting "W: GPG error: http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com gutsy Release: The following signatures were invalid: BADSIG 40976EAF437D05B5 Ubuntu Archive Automatic Signing Key <ftpmaster@ubuntu.com>" when trying to update ?09:18
KousotuI have isses with a tochpad, I want it disabled09:18
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Hobbseedsas: sounds ominous.  why the gb. ?09:26
dsasHobbsee: because I'm from the uk. I don't get a GPG error when *not* using gb.09:28
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Hobbseedsas: data centre itself is in the uk.  unsure of the point in using a mirror...09:29
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dsas*shrugs*, I think it comes like that to be honest (at least I don't remember ever changing it)09:30
Hobbseequite likely09:30
dsasthe mirror problem sounds like a good assumption anyway.09:31
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ameyerhmm, who let the people in charge of the LoCo servers run gb.archive.ubuntu.com...09:44
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ameyerMaybe I'm wrong, but that sounds like a possible security breach09:45
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chasetoys_can you run gutsy + compviz fusion09:52
RAOFStill yes.  And it's still installed & enabled by default09:54
Do``guys there is a new flash player for linux09:54
Do``where can i get a deb package or something09:55
RAOFDo``: the flashplugin-nonfree package is what you're after09:55
Do``there's an rpm and a tar.gz available for linux09:56
Do``but i have no idea how to install them properly for opera09:56
Do``plus it says i should install the current version09:56
RAOFDo``: You want to install the flashplugin-nonfree package.09:57
RAOFDo``: You don't need to mess around with adobe.com09:58
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Do``i think i do09:58
siimois gibbon in version freeze09:58
Do``because i already have flashplugin-nonfree installed09:58
Do``and this new one that is on labs.adobe.com is newer and not in the repo09:58
RAOFDo``: Ah, then it mustn't do the magic required to get it to work with opera.09:59
Hobbseesiimo: yes09:59
Do``it works with opera, but there is a bug that freezes opera whenever a flash object is displayed on the webpage10:00
Do``and i'm hoping this new version fixes that10:00
RAOFDo``: You could file a wishlist bug against the package, but I'm not going to be able to help you sorry.10:00
Do``https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/131212 <-10:00
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RAOFDo``: Ah, it seems to actually be a glib bug.10:05
Do``so i shouldnt get my hopes up? :(10:06
RAOFWell, we *should* fix it, but a newer flash is unlikely to be the answer.10:07
RAOFAt least the bug isn't in flash itself, otherwise we *couldn't* fix it.10:07
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Do``i just followed through to installation guide for the tar.gz package10:10
Do``and while the new plugin is in place, the bug is there10:11
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siimoHobbsee: dammit10:21
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Jazonhihi :-)10:30
JazonHobbsee: hi.  anyone else having probs with nspluginviewer not terminating?10:30
Hobbseeglib errors, when running it thru console?10:31
Jazon(and taking up all cpu processing?)10:31
Hobbseeit's known10:31
Dannilionand it crashes Konqueror10:31
Jazonok.  also, probs with konqueror10:31
Dannilionvery frustrating10:31
DannilionI use Firefox now10:32
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siimopidgin 2.1.1 came out and looks like gibbon wont have it at all10:32
siimosince ubuntu backports havent backported anything useful since probably breezy days when they became "official" and got killed10:33
siimowill backports ever be revived10:36
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DannilionIf I use Amor, the character is completely white10:36
JazonDannilion: the problem i have with firefox is that it is SUCH a friggin memory pig10:42
DannilionYeah. I can't really run firefox and second life at the same time10:42
Jazonbut overall, I am very  happy so far with gutsy on my prodn box10:42
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Jazonanyone here from canada?10:44
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Jazonhmphh  -  dell doesnt seem to have a wifi option for their desktop ubuntu offering10:53
Kousotubut a wifimax, problem solved10:58
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w00tI'm having a problem with the latest upgrades, cupsys tries to chown /var/run/cups, which doesn't exist on my system, causing the upgrade to barf. Any ideas?11:44
Eq|worktouch/mkdir ?11:44
w00tI'm a little wary of doing that without knowing what exactly is going on/why it doesn't exist in the first place11:45
Eq|workprobably a faulty preinst/postinst script11:45
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Eq|workthat said, if you don't need cups, just remove it11:46
w00tafaik it's installed with ubuntu-desktop?11:46
Eq|workcould be11:46
w00tthough, you're right - I don't use it, and I am a little tired after having seen about 90mb of updates to it this week :P11:47
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w00tupgrade worked that time anyway, oh well11:48
Eq|worki have to admit, 90megs isn't a huge amount for me.. :P11:48
Eq|workgot 20mbps inet at home.. and at work.. LOTS.11:48
w00tjust takes time and pipe to download that I could use for other things11:48
w00t8mb uncapped at home, lots at work :)11:49
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Eq|worki probably have more here :P11:49
Eq|workand i won't touch isp's that have usage caps.11:49
Eq|workdammit.. the new kernel still isn't there :-/11:49
w00tyou probably do, I'm in a virtual third world country for internet (UK..)11:50
daniele_982hello all! someone know softbeep??? i've read the man, documentation but it not found.I not understand11:50
Eq|worki'm in the uk as well..11:50
w00tI'm north :p11:50
daniele_982hi Eq|work11:50
Eq|workbut the company i work for has fuckloads of bw11:50
Assidhrmm.. i need some bw11:50
Eq|workor further north?11:50
w00tcity of kingston upon hull.. do I get to go hide now? ;p11:51
Eq|workor do you mean north of the border?11:51
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w00tI was waiting for tha11:51
w00tit's not *that* bad here, so long as you steer clear of ~30-40% of the city11:51
Eq|worki think i know someone else in that area too.. goes by the name of edgey.. (which is based on his surname iirc)11:51
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w00tI should really go do more work11:52
Eq|workif removing that much of the city would only make it "not *THAT* bad" that's not a partciularly ringing endorsement.11:52
Eq|workmultitask! :P11:52
w00tit really is okay11:52
w00tit's just a little weird to walk 100-200m and go from a really nice higher class area into a shitheap11:53
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w00tit's like that all over the city11:53
daniele_982Eq|work: do you know softbeep?11:56
Eq|workwhat about it?11:56
daniele_982Eq|work:  This utility may be used for redirecting beeps of the internal PC speaker to your sound card.11:57
daniele_982Eq|work: but it not found. I want my beep11:57
Eq|workmy system shows a package called softbeep11:58
w00tThe program 'softbeep' is currently not installed.  You can install it by typing:11:58
w00tsudo apt-get install softbeep11:58
w00tmine too ^11:58
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daniele_982i've installed it but it not found11:59
daniele_982Eq|work: you can try it?11:59
Eq|worki don't have working sound on my laptop atm, which is what is running ubuntu11:59
Eq|workso nope11:59
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daniele_982bad documentation12:01
daniele_982w00t: you can try it??12:02
w00tnot now, no12:03
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Do``if i found a workaround to a confirmed bug12:13
Do``how can i notify the maintainer of the bug to check and maybe add my solution to the official post or something?12:21
coNPDo``: which bug?12:21
Do``should i just add a comment or there are other ways to get it noticed? :)12:21
coNPActually neither the adobe flash player nor opera are free software.12:21
Do``and the bug lies in neither of them :)12:21
Do``as the workaround involves downgrading a lib12:21
coNPOh, then it is a packaging error?12:21
Do``i have no idea12:21
coNPThat is a workaround.12:21
coNPNot a fix :)12:21
Do``i just know that if you downgrade libgtk2.0-012:21
coNPIt is not a real bug.12:21
Do``to some earlier version, the problem fixes itself and as far as i know, no new ones appear12:21
Do``i know that is a workaround12:21
coNPYou might ask the software developers to get their software working with a newer version of GTK+12:21
Do``i said that.12:21
Do``which software developers?12:21
coNPYes, I don't think anyone would downgrade GTK+ just because some software of some proprietary software vendor does not work.12:21
Do``i would12:21
Do``if adobe is the one that should fix the plugin ( which is most likely the case since konqueror and firefox is affected as well )12:21
Do``then it will take a couple of years for them12:21
Do``they issued new plugins today and it 1. doesnt fix the bug 2. the gtk issue isnt even listed on their pages12:21
Do``3. they dont really give a flying fuck about linux, it took them quite a long time to create a flash 9 plugin in the first placethat barely works12:22
stdinDo``: watch the language please12:22
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daniele_982hello all! someone know softbeep??? i've read the man, documentation but it not found.I not understand12:22
coNPDo``: basically you are right, but this channel is about Ubuntu. We cannot help Adobe does not want to create software for us. Sorry.12:23
Do``you are right, but since there's nothing 'we' can do about it, except waiting, why not work around it? :)12:23
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virtuelvIs there any rational explanation as to why font rendering changed in Gutsy?12:33
virtuelvwhich is?12:33
RAOFIt now actually uses the reported DPI?12:33
virtuelvIMHO, that's bad12:33
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virtuelv(and my opinion isn't actually that humble, either)12:34
Jordan_Uvirtuelv, How is that bad?12:34
virtuelvone example where this breaks down horribly is in Firefox12:34
RAOFYeah, but firefox sucks, essentially.12:34
virtuelvFirefox in Gutsy now displays entirely different font sizes than any browser on any platform12:34
RAOFAlso, it's font rendering isn't actually tied to Gnome's in any real way.12:35
virtuelvRAOF: I don't actually _use_ Firefox (If you whois me, I think you'll find out why)12:35
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Jordan_Uvirtuelv, Have you checked if there is a bug filed and if not filed one?12:37
virtuelvdesktop browsers shouls not deviate from 96DPI until resolution is way off12:37
virtuelvJordan_U: the change is intentional12:37
Jordan_Uvirtuelv, If it is Firefox specific it sounds like a bug, and if you really feel that the choice is a bad one you should file a bug anyway, if nothing else it is a good way to learn their rationale ( again, if this is in fact an intended consequence )12:39
RAOFvirtuelv: My DPI is approximately 40% greater than 9612:40
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Assidvirtuelv: did you set the font size to normal ?01:00
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virtuelvJordan_U: it's not a bug in Firefox, since it uses the system reported DPI01:00
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virtuelvand the reported DPI is off01:01
virtuelvmy display's DPI, for instance, is _NOT_ 87, as claimed01:01
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Jordan_UJust because it is not a bug in Firefox does not mean it is not a bug, if you think something should be changed please offer a suggestion as to what should be done01:02
virtuelvJordan_U: I don't think fixing a cross-platform product because one platform suddenly decides they want to change something is the way to go01:03
Jordan_Uvirtuelv, I never said that it was, I said that if it needs to be changed it is a bug, you decide what package to file it against01:04
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termitorhello, rt2x00 freeze , when nm-applet connect01:10
termitorLinux proton 2.6.22-9-generic #1 SMP Fri Aug 3 00:50:37 GMT 2007 i686 GNU/Linux01:10
termitorwho have some info about this , or patch ?01:11
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PiciHave you checked LP for a bug yet?01:13
IdleOnemy machine has been offline for 2 days. has there not been any updates/upgrades in the past 2 days?01:14
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PiciIdleOne: Barely a day goes past when I dont get an update ;)01:15
IdleOnePici: exactly my point. so how come having been offline 2 days I havent had an update01:16
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PiciIdleOne: I dont know.  Thats odd01:17
IdleOneand probably not ubuntu related but I seem to have lost a couple dozen emails on my gmail accont01:18
PiciIdleOne: I hope thats not Ubuntu related01:19
IdleOneyeah me too01:19
PiciHave you checked your logs to see if there were any updates attempted?01:19
Jordan_UIdleOne, Tried "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade" ?01:19
IdleOneI'll try it again01:19
IdleOnehavent checked logs. where do i look?01:19
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Pici /var/log/dpkg.log for things that were installed.  I'm not sure about the updates though01:20
stefgDoes it make sense to d/l Tribe 4 today. Tribe 5 is scheduled for tomorrow, how do things look?01:21
IdleOnehmmm now after running sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade I get 43 packages to be upgraded. lol it is as if the pc did it on purpose lol01:22
IdleOnePici: Jordan_U ty for stating the obvious to me :)01:23
Jordan_UIdleOne,Pesky heisenbugs :)01:23
IdleOneJordan_U: guess the Heisenburg compensators needed to be resynched is all :)01:24
IdleOnesmoke break01:25
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IdleOneno I got packages manager/update manager notifications up the wazoo hehe01:29
IdleOnegotta love Ubuntu+1 :)01:30
termitornobody have a ralink wireless card ?01:30
Eq|worknot here.01:31
Eq|workmy 'rents do, but they're 'doze only.01:32
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pvandewyngaerdeuname -a01:44
pvandewyngaerdeLinux pvandewyngaerde-desktop 2.6.22-10-generic #1 SMP Wed Aug 22 07:42:05 GMT 2007 x86_64 GNU/Linux01:44
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shirishubotu linux-source01:49
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Piciubotu isnt here01:54
shirishPici :(01:55
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atlas95uswsusp don't work in gusty for me02:08
atlas95but in feisty it work on my laptop with some fix, but here, s2disk ans s2both do nothing and i must reset :s02:09
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frandavid100where can I get a daily build of gutsy?02:22
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Picifrandavid100: cdimage.ubuntu.com02:25
frandavid100thanks Pici!02:25
frandavid100also, I just saw that pidgin 2.1.1 has been released, I guess there's no chance of getting it into gutsy since we're in feature freeze?02:26
nosrednaekimI think we have 2.1in it though.02:27
frandavid100yup that's right02:27
frandavid100only 2.1 made some changes that have been improved in 2.1.102:28
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frandavid100thanks anyway, bye!02:34
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loufoquesomeone has a fix for acroread in gutsy?02:48
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Hobbseeloufoque: ENOFIX02:50
loufoqueHobbsee: and in english, what does it mean?02:50
Hobbseeloufoque: what would your proposed fix be?02:50
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Hobbseeloufoque: error:  no fix02:51
loufoqueHobbsee: edit the acroread script that launches adobe acrobat reader02:51
Hobbseeloufoque: acroread isnt even in gutsy, though.02:52
Hobbseeso it really should be ENOTINARCHIVE02:52
loufoquesince it seems there is a bug in it which only produce "expr: syntax error" when trying to use it02:52
Dannilionif I disappear again, compiz-fusion has frozen my laptop again and I'm rebooting02:52
HobbseeDannilion: dont ctrl+c it02:52
loufoqueso I should rather ask the medibuntu guys?02:53
Hobbseeloufoque: that would be very wise, yes.02:54
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Dannilionit was working fine this morning!02:55
Dannilionanyone got any suggestions on why it makes the screen black and never changing back?02:56
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Dannilionnope, intel03:02
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bullgard4My directory /linux- includes a subdirectory /mm. What does 'mm' stand for?03:09
seezerbullgard4: take a look into the Makefile laying around there.03:11
seezer# Makefile for the linux memory manager.03:12
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SoulChildHey, i have a little problem with GDM. after typing my login name and pressing TAB the whole name is selected instead of switching tp passwort TAB, is there a way to fix this ? i use ubuntu gutsy!03:20
PiciI usually use enter instead of Tab.03:22
SoulChildPici: that's the problem I am used to use TAB03:23
SoulChildand if i type my passwort, people can read it03:23
PiciDid Tab work on feisty's gdm?03:24
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SoulChildPici: i think it worked on feisty03:30
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ryanakcafor LVM... why isn't there /dev/foo/volumename anymore, just /dev/mapper/foo-volumename ?03:32
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PiciSoulChild: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gdm/+bug/12726903:33
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Ind[y] update-notifier does not do an automatic "apt-get update", thus it does not notify me about software updates. any help, please?03:40
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PiciIdleOne was just saying that this morning.  Have you checked to see if a bug is logged already?03:41
spirooHello, anyone know about latest updates: linux image and that?03:41
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spirooMy screen mointor was in the booting process after the kubuntu loading bar starting to blink and does not show anything on screen. The green light just turn off and on all the time.03:43
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spirooThat was happened after an update yesterday in adept03:43
spirooI think03:43
Ind[y] Pici: yes. there is, but there is not solution.03:44
Picispiroo: Can you change to one of the other ttys? Perhaps your system is fscking03:44
spiroosorry, not very good on this. Im kinda new on linux. What is ttys? and fscking?03:44
spirooIve tried in recovery mode with dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg. Not with original VESA though03:45
Picispiroo: Are you running Gutsy?03:45
spirooIt was working properly yesterday03:46
spirooi have already reinstalled Gutsy like 10 times, I do not wanna do that again.03:47
Hobbseespiroo: why are you running gutsy?03:47
spirooI think it is wrong with boot process. The loading bar has changed. Before the loader got 25 % and then just starts and now it goes all the way. Good, but I guess something else is incorrect.03:48
Hobbseeboot without quiet and splash in there03:48
Hobbseeand get more info that way03:48
spirooHobbsee: Because NO other dist had a properly internet connection for wireless with WPA203:48
Hobbseespiroo: not feisty either?03:49
Hobbseehmmm.  that's not so good.03:49
Hobbseewhich wireless card?03:49
spirooI tried to install wireless in every dist I know but no success in two days. I gave up, but found an prerelease of Kubuntu, so I was installing that and found out that internet was working03:50
spirooRalink2500 :D03:50
spirooHave tried to install ndiswrapper and different networkmanagers, new wireless drivers and yes everytihng. Nothing works03:51
Hobbseethat's a pain.03:51
Ind[y] Pici: so, any known fixes?03:52
spiroobtw, do you know the date when Gutsy is gonna release? I know in october, but which date?03:52
spirooHobbsee: Indeed03:52
Ind[y] spiroo: 1803:52
Hobbseespiroo: it's in the topic - the week of03:52
spirooWireless work perfect in Gutsy though, except that my router is kind a defect XD03:52
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spirooah okay, thanks03:52
spirooBut the monitor problem, what do you think?03:53
SoulChildPici: i think i just downlaoded an update of GDM,... trying if the TAB Problem has been fixed03:53
PiciInd[y] : Can you link me to the bug?03:53
PiciSoulChild: Make sure that you restart GDM before you test03:53
spirooPici: Is the monitor a known bug?03:54
Ind[y] Pici: Sure. https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/update-notifier/+bug/12677503:54
spirooI mean that the monitor light blinking, is that a bug?03:55
Hobbseespiroo: depends if the machine is actually shutting down, or what03:56
spiroo*known bug03:56
spiroonope, it does not shuttign down03:56
spiroothe screen just turn the light off and on all the time. I need to turn power off and reboot another system03:56
spirooThe light switching constantly directly after the Kubuntu loader has load to 100 %03:57
spirooIs there anyway to recover or something in recovery mode? I do not wanna reinstall the system one more time.03:58
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SoulChildGDM Problem still not fixed :(03:58
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spirooif there is one possibility to solve my problem. I need to do it now. Really need linux04:01
Picispiroo: Can you try changing to a different tty by pressing ctrl-alt-f104:01
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PiciI'm thinking that your display settings are putting your monitor out of range.04:01
spiroofirst of all, what a heck is tty?04:02
spirooyes, probably04:02
PiciIts just a terminal session.04:02
spiroowhen should I press crl+alt+f104:02
Picispiroo: When your screen is blinking04:02
PiciAlso check if the numlock lights work04:03
spiroohmm okay, what is happen then when i press that combo?04:03
PiciYou should get a text-based login.04:03
spiroohmm okay, I hope you are right. If problem still occure after I tried, I will be back ;P04:03
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sidI half half Vista and half Ubuntu on my laptop, I can't mount the Vista filesystem04:03
Pici!ntfs | sid04:04
spiroosid: Guess you should ask that in channel #ubuntu04:04
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Ind[y] Pici: So, anything about the link?04:04
PiciInd[y] : I'm looking for something for it right now actually.04:04
spiroobtw, do you have big progress with Gutsy?04:05
spirooI mean does it going forward?04:05
nooseisloosespiroo: a dumb (but often successful) way of troubleshooting is to change things until you get it to work.  If you can't change the hardware, maybe you might try downloading a different Linux for a test.  I'd use knoppix-std as your wireless might also work automatically.  But any Knoppix might be good for a test.04:05
sidspiroo: I have gutsy on half04:05
SoulChildis there a release day for gutssy final ?04:05
Picisid: You're in the right place.04:06
sidI'm trying to add an HP printer, but Gutsy is all different with adding printers. It "just works"(tm) with vista, but gutsy no.04:06
sidI was here yesterday, but I still can't figure it out.04:06
Ind[y] Pici: alright :-)04:06
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PiciSoulChild: /topic04:06
spirooSoulchild: 18 october04:06
spiroonooseislosse. Thank for the great advice04:07
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spiroocya, reboot now :D04:07
nooseisloosespiroo: I've also used a lot of sarcasm in IRC, but that's been somewhat less effective04:08
tattersI got 3 packages held back due to  "E: Package linux-headers-2.6.22-10-generic has no installation candidate"  ?04:09
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kelsa|martalliWhy does apt-get say it will install linux-headers-2.6.22-10-generic, but linux-headers-generic is being kept back? (just seems odd)04:13
Ind[y] Pici: So, if you have any news, I would appreciate it to tell me :)04:14
Assidthey probably uploading it yet (been 24 hours) ..04:14
Assidso maybe they found a bug and held back that candidate..04:14
Assidjust ignore it for now04:14
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Hobbseekelsa|martalli: just wait.  not all of it is published.04:21
kelsa|martalliwoops - already did it =)04:21
kelsa|martalliShould I wait and redo the apt-get before restarting, then?04:22
Hobbseeoh well, update again and get the extra packages before you reboot04:22
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shirishHobbsee: you up?04:32
shirishHobbsee: perhaps you can take a look at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/34653/04:32
shirishor for that matter anybody , and lemme know if its ok to upgrade the kernel to or not?04:33
wolkihi gutsiers, I updated some time ago and have trouble with my harddisks since then. It appears like it doesn't correctly mount stuff, and after unmounting the filesystem is corrupt. trying to fdisk leads to lots of short reads, but works without problems if I use a rescue live cd instead of my installed system04:34
PiciInd[y] : I was looking into seeing if I could figure out what was happening with your bug.04:34
Hobbseeshirish: just wait.  kernel is not all done yet04:35
shirishHobbsee: ok thanx for the heads up ;)04:35
wolkilooking at dmesg, i see attempts to access beyond the end of the device.... is there a known bug like this?04:35
PiciInd[y] : I couldnt figure it out so I changed the status back to 'new' (apparrently thats what is supposed to be done after the information is updated). Hopefully you get a response now.04:35
Ind[y] Pici: I see. Thank you.04:36
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Eq|workmeh.. kernel needs to hurry up :P05:03
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sidI need to add an HP Laserjet stand alone network printer to my Gutsy Laptop05:11
sidThe add printer dialogue is all different, and when I click on add samba printer, nothing shows up05:11
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jussi01Hmm, is it safe to update atm? there seems to be a kernel update being held back, is this going to cause trouble??05:24
Hobbseejust leave it kept back, and update the rest05:24
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jussi01ok, thanks Hobbsee, just that the kernel headers are being updated. thought maybe that might cause probs.05:26
Hobbseeyeah, it probably will05:26
jussi01hmm, might leave it for a while then05:27
sidanyone know about HP printers?05:27
sidI can't get this Laserjet printer added, I thought HP had good support for Ubuntu? they have some special printing software no?05:28
Picisid: I have not had any difficulty setting up HP printers in Ubuntu in versions previous. I have not had the need to do so in Gutsy.05:30
Eq|workHobbsee : you're being somewhat paranoid..05:31
Eq|worksid : you don't need any special software.05:31
PiciEq|work: Paranoid about what?05:31
sidEq|work: How do I do it?05:31
sidI go to System/Administration/Print, than "new printer" then what?05:32
Eq|workkernel headers.. not many things use 'em, and it shouldn't be removing the old versions..05:32
Eq|worksid : not samba.. jetdirect/raw/lpr/something ...05:32
Eq|workport 910005:32
sidIt's just some HP laserjet with a built-in NIC05:32
HobbseeEq|work: this is true.  there is some config that makes your system unbootable, iirc05:33
sidThe choices are appsocket/hp jetdirect, internet printing protocol, LPD/LPR, Other05:33
Eq|workyes, so jetdirect05:33
sidand samba of course05:33
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Eq|workHobbsee : not connected to the kernel headers there ain't05:33
sidok, So I choose "AppSocket/HP JetDirect"05:33
sidI add the ip, and the default port number.(which I can ping the ip fine)05:33
Eq|workor, for that matter, the kernel itself. as long as the kernel installs correctly there's no risk of your system being unbootable.05:33
sidDo I use Generic, or should I specify my brand/model?05:34
DunasI had a question about Gutsy for the people who are testing/developing it. >> Will it be compatible, at least moreso than Feisty is, with the RTL818x chipsets for wireless cards? These are extremely common, it seems, and I have one, so I have a vested interest in asking.05:34
Eq|workspecify if you can05:34
Eq|worknever come across them. that seems more like a kernel question to me though05:34
Eq|worktry #ubuntu-kernel ?05:34
Eq|work(or whatever the ubuntu kernel chan is)05:34
sidEq|work: ok, they have my printer. and I added it, using the default driver(recommended)05:35
sidI go to gedit, to a test print. and nothing happens05:35
Eq|workdid you choose the printer you just installed?05:35
Eq|workthe default port number - was it 9100 ?05:35
sidyes, default was 9100. and I choose teh one I added05:35
sidwhen printing05:36
Eq|workok. have you confirmed that that ip is the printer?05:36
Eq|workie it stops pinging when you pull the power/cat5 ?05:36
sidThe printer dialogue on the top right is telling me "Printer "JetDirect" May not be connected.05:36
sidEq|work: yes, it's the printer05:36
Eq|worksounds like either the printer has had jetdirect turned off, or that ip isn't really the printer.05:37
Picisid: It may work if you set it up as an IP printer, rather than a 'jet direct' printer05:37
Eq|workit could be that the printer has that ip statically assigned in it, but if something else is sitting on that ip..05:37
PiciLet me try something quick here..05:37
Dunas/leave #ubuntu+1 Thanks Eq|work, I'll ask the kernel channel05:37
DunasLOL woops.05:37
sidEq|work: ok this same laptop, with the same cat5/wall jack, Windows Vista prints to that ip05:37
DunasI can't see where I typed that wrong, but, uh.05:37
Eq|worksid : you could try ipp05:37
DunasThat's embarrassing.05:37
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Picisid: I just setup a network HP printer fine using system-config-printer05:55
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Piciinstabin|work: ?06:03
PiciThe bot isnt here.06:03
instabin|worktrying to get a list of bot commands06:03
instabin|workPici where did it go... Also is there a place where i can get a build status for the nvidia-glx-new06:04
instabin|workI know its somewhere on launchpad06:04
Piciinstabin|work: Theres an issue with system resources on the bot's server.  https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/gutsy/+builds06:05
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tehkWell I see why the deskbar changed the api..Porting the tracker plugin is going to take a complete rewrite. The old api was just dirty.06:06
instabin|workPici: I cant seem to find the nvidia-glx-new package06:06
Piciinstabin|work: nvidia-glx-new is part of l-r-m06:07
instabin|workLast night i couldnt install the new restricted modules or the new kernel... is it released yet?06:09
haakE: mysql-server-5.0: subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 106:09
haakhelp me pls06:09
Piciinstabin|work: Nope not yet.06:09
instabin|workPici: If its already built why cant i install it?06:10
atomicpotatoInstabin, it's not06:11
instabin|workIm just trying to figure out how the packaging system works....06:11
Picihaak: A few bugs for that apppear to be already logged: look through here: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mysql-dfsg-5.0/06:11
atomicpotatosome f*** decided that releasing the meta packages before the real packages are out would be a good idea06:11
atomicpotatodon't ask me why06:11
PiciCalm down.06:11
instabin|workit says its done.... Build started 2 hours ago  on vernadsky (i386)  and finished 1 hours ago  taking 33 minutes06:12
atomicpotatooh, then maybe they haven't found their way into the repositories yet06:12
instabin|workthat was for i386 build of linux-ubuntu-modules-2.6.22 2.6.22-10.23 in ubuntu gutsy RELEASE06:13
atomicpotatohuh, a ton of updates now06:14
instabin|workwow there is going to be 3 nvidia restricted drivers???06:15
atomicpotatothere have been since feisty06:15
instabin|workrm -rf nvidia/NVIDIA-Linux-x86-1.0-9639-pkg1 nvidia/NVIDIA-Linux-x86-1.0-7185-pkg1 nvidia/NVIDIA-Linux-x86-100.14.11-pkg106:15
instabin|workits in the build log...06:16
atomicpotatoyeah, because nvidia likes to obsolete cards and stop providing driver support06:16
atomicpotatoso we need a nvidia-glx-old nvidia-glx and nvidia-glx-new06:16
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Hobbseenvidia-glx-really-old, and adjust the others, maybe06:17
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instabin|workI think it should just be named like nvidia-glx-version06:17
atomicpotato...why does the new openoffice.org depend on a ton of java libs?06:17
Hobbseebecause java is enabled?06:18
atomicpotatois it?06:18
instabin|workso the old ones should be nvidia-glx-1.0-9639 and new ones nvidia-glx-100.14.1106:18
instabin|workwould make it very easy...06:18
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Eq|workinstabin|work : except then it wouldn't be upgraded automatically.06:19
atomicpotatowe could use metapackages to fix that like always06:20
HobbseeEq|work: there are replaces and conflicts and provides, etc06:20
Eq|workintroduces extra complication06:20
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atomicpotatowell, -old -new -nothing isn't exactly scalable06:21
loufoquefor some reason I just got an upgrade that moved my kernel to 2.6.22-10, however there aren't any associated restricted-modules and stuff06:21
loufoqueplus it removed the linux-generic meta-package and it says I can't install it anymore06:22
loufoqueis that kind of stuff normal?06:22
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atomicpotatono, it's not06:22
Piciloufoque: Did it ask you if you wanted to resolve dependencies in a certain way?06:23
loufoqueI used the GUI06:24
loufoqueit did say some message (I don't really remember the content), the kind you get when updating distros06:24
Hobbseeloufoque: yes, that'd be normal for the middle of a kernel change.06:25
Eq|worki suspect that the -new package will be deprecated before long.06:25
Hobbseeloufoque: fix the metapackages after all the kernel stuff comes thru06:26
Hobbseealthough, it probably wont auto-install, as you dnot have the metapackages.06:26
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atomicpotato....new VLC version, with the only change being a word getting capitalized in vlc.desktop. I could have fixed that myself.06:33
atomicpotatoThis makes me wonder why we don't have incremental patches for stuff like this.06:33
Eq|workbecause packages don't support that.06:35
instabin|workEq|work: what do you mean?06:35
Eq|workyou can't do incremental patches on packages06:35
atomicpotatowell, someone should make them support it, it's only logical (and iirc, the deb system has a binary patch function, it's just not used)06:35
atomicpotatoEq|work, sure you can, make a second package with only the files that changed06:36
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Eq|workyeah, that's REALLY going to work06:36
instabin|workEq|work: I dont understand... Im a noob when it comes to making packages06:36
Eq|worki'm not aware of anything in apt/dpkg that supports binary patches.06:36
Eq|workatomicpotato : how do you get that new package installed w/o updating the original?06:36
Eq|workyou can't change the depends stuff on a package that's already installed.06:37
kelsa|martalliI love these testing distros.  I just updated the kernel and now there is another...and OO.o too!06:37
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atomicpotatoEq|work, if it doesn't exist in apt, it should be written.06:37
Eq|workpersonally i don't agree.06:37
atomicpotatosystem checks if you have version-in-repository-minus-1, downloads the diff if you do, applies it and changes your version number to match upstream06:37
Eq|workand if it goes tits up?06:38
Eq|workor it's a new install?06:38
atomicpotatohuh? there's no reason that couldn't scale to a complete change of the package06:38
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atomicpotatolist of new files to install, list of old files to clean, extra scripts. If it's not efficient to have a diff, then don't provide one and have apt get the full package06:39
Eq|workyou're basically saying that package maintainers should do far, far more work06:39
Eq|workand have to upload considerably more06:39
atomicpotatowha? it's their *job* to do work06:40
Eq|workyou forget06:40
Eq|workthe majority of people that create debian/ubuntu packages are VOLUNTEERS06:40
PiciIt sounds like you want a replacement for the apt system.06:40
Eq|workthey have full time jobs/education as well as what stuff they do on deb/ub06:40
atomicpotatoand if 1 hour of their time could save thousands of people hours of their time, it's worth it, no?06:41
Eq|workyou seem to overestimate the amount of time dl'ing a new version of the package takes, versus creating it.06:41
atomicpotatothis creation process could be fully automatic06:41
Eq|workoh, and tbh if you're going to run bleeding edge/devel versions of distros, you should accept you're going to be doing far more upgrading06:41
Eq|workactually, no, it couldn't06:42
atomicpotatowhy not?06:42
Eq|workit could be PARTIALLY automated06:42
Eq|workbecause you have to test it, and make sure that everything works the same in all cases.06:42
Eq|workoh, and your idea above isn't really great on deciding how to use a so-called binary diff over a full package download.06:42
atomicpotatodon't make assertions, back them up please06:43
PiciI'm not even sure that apt could handle something like that. You might be better off making a whole new package distrubtion system.06:43
instabin|workPici: come on apt-get has super cow powers!!!! LOL06:44
Piciinstabin|work:  :p06:44
atomicpotato/exec -o aptitude moo06:44
atomicpotatoThere are no Easter Eggs in this program.06:44
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instabin|workIs there easter eggs in apt-get?06:45
Eq|workatomicpotato : ok - say a package gets a new version released.. minor bugfixes. 10 minutes after the package is released to the masses, a huge security hole is discovered - affects all known versions (for example). couple of hours later, that gets patched. new package uploaded. now, someone with the version before the updates - they'd end up dl'ing the whole lot.06:45
Eq|worksomeone who'd updated in between would get these binary patches of yours06:45
atomicpotatoEq|work, then you could make a chain of diffs06:45
Eq|workthus making the whole thing exponentially more complex and difficult to keep track of.06:45
instabin|workwow openoffice.org takes a long time to build06:46
atomicpotatoInstabin|work, it does06:46
Eq|workinstabin|work : why on earth would you rebuild OOo?06:46
Eq|workubuntu != gentoo06:46
instabin|workit started building 3 hrs ago...06:46
atomicpotatothat's why some nice people working for Ubuntu do it for us06:46
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instabin|workEq|work im not building it ...  https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/gutsy/+builds06:46
Eq|workah, ok. fair enough.06:46
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atomicpotatoinstabin|work, only 3 hours? bah, it'd take several days on my CPU06:46
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Eq|workyes, you need one hell of a powerful machine.06:47
instabin|worklol again im not builiding it....06:47
loufoquewhat I would really like is the ability to install packages as users and not only as root06:47
atomicpotato(and afaik, Gentoo has binary versions of OpenOffice.org for that reason)06:47
instabin|worklaunchpad is...06:47
Hobbseeatomicpotato: i'd suggest you get involved in development of ubuntu for a while before making comments such as [02:40]  <atomicpotato> wha? it's their *job* to do work and [02:41]  <atomicpotato> and if 1 hour of their time could save thousands of people hours of their time, it's worth it, no?06:47
PiciI was just going to suggest moving this to -offtopic as well :)06:48
Eq|workloufoque : you can.. you just supply your users pw when you start synaptic.. :P06:49
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Eq|workubuntu or debian though06:49
Hobbseeatomicpotato: then again, with your clear lack of understanding fo the way the world works, the developers now know to ignore almost everything you say06:49
loufoqueEq|work: very funny.06:49
Eq|workloufoque : err, it's true?06:49
Hobbseeincidently, there are plans for incremental updates.06:49
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loufoqueEq|work: it's just using sudo to gain root privileges, and then it installs the packages with those privileges06:50
=== instabin|work dosent have a problem with the current system
loufoqueEq|work: you can't install packages with simple user privileges, even though it should be possible for quite a number of packages06:50
Eq|workloufoque : i can think of many reasons to keep it that way06:51
loufoqueon some systems, users simply do not have sudo access, that's way too dangerous, because they share the system with other people06:51
Eq|worknot least of which is: why in the hell would i want some normal user installing packages on my server?06:51
Piciloufoque: Most of the time you dont want people installing arbitrary packages06:51
Eq|workif they want to install software locally, they can compile it elsewhere and put things in the tree off their homedir06:51
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loufoquePici: an user should be able to run the code he wants under the privileges he has on the server06:52
loufoquePici: if he wants to install a software, why not?06:52
loufoqueWindows perfectly allows this.06:52
PiciThis isnt windows.06:52
loufoqueFor some software, you can install them without being the system administrator.06:52
Eq|workno, it isn't windows.06:52
Eq|workwindows is NOT secure06:52
Eq|workat all06:52
loufoqueRequiring this is perfectly stupid. It's nice if you want to install software for all users, but that's it.06:53
Eq|worknor can it ever be until they completely throw away how they do things06:53
Hobbseeloufoque: conflicting libraries, etc.06:53
Hobbseeloufoque: read some critiques on 0install, klik, etc.06:53
Eq|workloufoque : no, it's called SECURITY06:53
hyljeyou can install stuff on your home directory and be done with it06:53
loufoqueEq|work: it's got nothing to do with security.06:53
instabin|workYeeeaaaaa!!!!! the repository must have updated i see nvidia-glx-new_100.14.11+
Hobbseeklik already lets you do it06:53
hyljebut i dont think dpkg supports that06:53
Eq|workloufoque : it has _EVERYTHING_ to do with security.06:53
loufoqueEq|work: on the contrary, requiring sudo access to install software is a great security risk.06:54
Eq|workonly if you give everyone access06:54
Eq|workif you do that, then the security risk is YOU06:54
Hobbseeloufoque: depends.   if you decide to install crack on your machine, then...06:54
Hobbseeloufoque: hear me loud and clear - you can use things like klik, if you understand the limitations and consequences.06:54
Eq|workif you don't do that, then it's perfectly secure.06:54
loufoquewell, installing software can already be done by not using packages.06:54
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Eq|workyes, in which case it's limited to just that user06:55
Stuttergarthello, everyone.06:55
loufoqueEq|work: and this is what we're talking about.06:55
Eq|workapt/dpkg is not designed (and likely never will be) to do user-specific installations06:55
StuttergartI have a gutsy box that is incrementing the label on it's ethernet interface after every reboot. So it started at eth0 and it is now up to eth9. It seems as though this is some kind of problem with persistent device naming in udev but I'm not sure how to fix it.06:55
Eq|worki already said that they can install manually.06:55
loufoqueEq|work: I've been talking about user-specific installations for 10 minutes06:55
Eq|worki know06:55
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Eq|workand i said right at the start, they can install manually.06:56
mendredloufoque: Both sides are talking about the same thing06:56
Eq|workHobbsee also seems to be suggesting you look at something called "klik"06:56
Eq|workPici : no bot yet :P06:56
mendredloufoque: apt-get is for system wide installation06:56
mendredwhich obviously requires sudo06:56
Pici #ubuntu is the Ubuntu support channel, #ubuntu+1 supports the development06:56
Pici              version of Ubuntu and #ubuntu-offtopic is for random chatter. Welcome!06:56
mendredif u as a user want to install stuff06:56
mendredin ur home dir06:56
loufoqueI know that apt-get is for system wide installation, otherwise I wouldn't be talking about it06:56
mendredno one is stopping you06:56
Eq|workmendred : there is no motivation for any distro to provide a user-specific installation method06:57
Eq|workto my knowledge, none do.06:57
mendredEq|work: I know that06:57
loufoquewhat I would like is for the ability to install debian packages as a user, thus really making debian packages good ways to redistribute software in binary form.06:57
Eq|worksorry, that was meant to be to loufoque06:57
PiciStuttergart: Have you looked on Launchpad for anyone with the same issue?06:57
mendredI am more interested in finding out why he wants user specific installation so much06:57
Eq|workloufoque : then work out how to do it yourself. you may be able to use dpkg to extract the package.06:57
StuttergartPici: actually, no, I haven't. Let me do that.06:57
loufoqueEq|work: I want an easy way for regular users, not for my self.06:58
kelsa|martalliFor user-specific installs, you can just d/l binaries into your home folder.  That is the duty of the program maintainters, such as thunderbird06:58
Eq|workscrew you guys, i'm going home! :P06:58
instabin|workWounder if the cd drive in my brothers laptop will work with gutsy... it doesnt work with fiesty... :(06:58
Eq|workloufoque : script it.06:58
mendredEq|work: lol06:58
loufoqueI think it would be better for users if there was a standard unified way to install software, rather than having to go through the trouble of program-specific scripts.06:59
instabin|workit has an Intel 96506:59
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mendredloufoque: the usual way is download a tar.gz of a binary  unzip it in ur home dir and run it06:59
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mendredsince u are running it locally..all system libs would be in the tar..as u cannot have the user changing system wide libs07:00
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mendredBut more specifically rather than the ability07:01
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mendredwhat is the case for this...07:01
loufoquemendred: using a user-specific packaging system, the package could simply depend on other packages, that could either be installed system-wide or for the user only.07:01
loufoquethat would limit duplication.07:01
mendredDo you realise the complications of this?07:01
dashanybody here understand how module-assistant works? it doesn't seem to know about the existence of vmware-player-kernel-source07:01
mendredyou are talking about a user specific package07:01
mendredon a system wide package07:01
mendrednot good..if the admin decides to update the system07:02
mendredtechnically if you are saying the user wants to install something specific to himself07:02
loufoqueit depends on a package. Whether the package is installed system-wide or on a per-user basis shouldn't matter.07:02
mendredits a maintenance nightmare07:02
mendredif its per user07:02
mendrednever mix with system wide07:02
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mendredand obviusly the users package shouldnt overwrite the system package07:03
mendredas he does not have perm07:03
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mendredbut still coming back to your suggestion..07:04
mendredi am saying its already possible if you have a self dependent tar07:04
mendredand i think Hobbsee mentioned klik07:05
mendredwhich does that on a per user basis07:05
loufoqueI looked at klik, that looks like some kind of emulation of a whole system07:05
mendredfor reasons which i mentioned above07:05
loufoquefor example, you can only use klick programs at the same time07:05
loufoquethe linux kernel doesn't allow more images to be mounted07:06
loufoqueeach 'klik' application seems to be somehow virtualized07:06
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StuttergartHmm...nothing in launchpad about my incrementing names for ethernet devices.07:09
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instabin|workIf i enable xen can i run kubuntu under ubuntu?07:14
PiciThats kinda silly. Use xnest07:14
w00tanyone here able to give advice on how to troubleshoot a sound problem? it seems mine is nonfunctional and I have no idea where to start.07:15
instabin|workPici: whats xnest?07:15
instabin|workw00t: start with telling us what sound card you have its intel hd audio on a laptop i can help07:16
Piciinstabin|work: Its a way of running an x server inside of another xserver.07:16
Piciinstabin|work: You can natively run kde applications inside of gnome.. you know07:17
instabin|workPici: I want to run a second os07:17
instabin|workinside of ubuntu07:17
masqueradeIf you want to run kubuntu inside ubuntu, you don't want to run a second OS, you just want to run KDE applications07:17
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w00t'lspci -v | grep -i audio' gives "Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801H (ICH8 Family) HD Audio Controller (rev 02)"07:17
masqueradeMaybe you even want to switch back and forth between KDE and GNOME, which is possible also07:18
instabin|work... N i dont want to run kde apps... i just want to run kubuntu and other distos inside of ubuntu... to try them07:18
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instabin|workw00t: is it an hp laptop?07:19
w00tinstabin|work: no, ironically enough the HP laptop I also have worked just fine out of the box07:19
instabin|workw00t: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=53037407:19
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instabin|workw00t: what chip set do you have07:20
instabin|workdont do that tutorial yet07:20
w00thow do I find out? :)07:21
instabin|workalso is there any line about realtek07:21
shirishguys, I have been having a peculiar problem, let's say I start my machine, it goes till the GNOME login screen, I enter the details, then its blank.07:21
w00tno realtek cards07:21
w00tthe only line related to audio I can find I gave above, need it again?07:21
shirishthen I do CTRL+ALT+F1, login into tty1, restart with CTRL+ALT+DEL07:21
instabin|workI had problems with my hp dv6500 and had to recompile the audio alsa driver it had intell hd with some realtek thing in there....07:22
shirishthen redo the same thing again, this time I am onto the desktop07:22
shirishI'm using 'intel' driver & have intel i845 GE/GV chipset07:22
instabin|workw00t: is it a home built (if so what m/b if not what is the make and model)07:23
w00tAdvent T950907:23
loufoqueinstabin|work: just switch between KDE and GNOME with Ctrl+Alt+F8 and stuff07:23
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instabin|workI dont want to swich .... I just want to run a second distro....07:24
Piciinstabin|work: Kubuntu and Ubuntu are the same distros, with different packages.07:24
instabin|workPici: I know you can install kde with sudo apt-get kubuntu-desktop07:24
instabin|work^^...-get install kub.....07:25
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PiciI suppose if you really wanted to, you could run kubuntu inside of qemu or whatever, but it just sounds like a waste to me.07:25
instabin|workPici: for testing... so i can break stuff and not worrie....07:26
bur[n] eranyone know how to connect to itunes 7 shares to either listen to or download music?07:27
instabin|workMight just use virtual box....07:27
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Assidhrmm the new updates are messed up07:30
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masqueradeAssid, way to be specific. :)07:30
Assidi dont know if its nvidia-glx package or something in x or whatever.. but UI is laggish every now and then07:30
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Assidalso yep.. im back on kwin.. and its still sluggish07:32
instabin|workw00t: that tutorial might work for you but im not absolutly sure...07:32
instabin|workI cant find much info about it..07:32
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Assidyeah somethings messed up.. totally sluggish07:34
Assiderr how do i get dpkg to reconfigure nvidia-glx ?07:35
Assiddpkg -a nvidia-glx ?07:35
Assiderr.. nvm07:35
Assidmasquerade: you updated yet?07:38
masqueradeI have updated but not rebooted07:38
Assidroll back07:38
masqueradeas I had the issue when I rebooted late last night when the kernel upgrades weren't quite finished yet and I had no kernel modules :)07:38
Assidoh man07:39
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Assidman X is totally messed up.. it keeps freezing up or something07:39
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Assidi wonder if any of the developers / release maintainers are around07:39
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PriceChildAssid, probably not in  here... and they won't have much time for support even if they were07:41
PriceChildAssid, have you checked your logs?07:41
AssidPriceChild: first thing i did.. nothing different in x's log07:41
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shirishAssid: also you could try doing "sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg"07:41
PriceChildAssid, what about the others?07:41
shirishAssid: although don't know if that would improve stuff for you or no, as don't have any nvidia stuff on me.07:42
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Assidid have to reconfigure everything and will be back in th same boat07:42
Assidcould be X .. could be ther scheduler07:42
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Assidyes.. xorg process is crazy07:45
Assidlots of cpu usage.. im guessing its related to the nvidia-glx module07:45
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Fracture I have an issue with compz.. when running glxgears, a) a small (about 100x100) popup window shows with all just black - no gears.  b) it reports on the console 900+ frames per second,  c) I everything else becomes really jerky - mouse movement, window movement etc..07:46
Assidyou can run glxgears while runnign compiz ?07:46
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Assiddammit.. there..07:47
Assidran glxgears.. X restarts07:47
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Assidhrmm anyone know which drivers are used for the 6600GT ?07:48
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Assid100.14.11  ? 71xx series ?  96xx series ?07:48
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Assiderr.. who was it who ran glxgears and had it laggish ?07:50
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Fracturewhen I run glxgears without compiz enabled, I get 5500 fps in a small window, and 350 fullscreen07:51
Fracturebut, with compiz enabled.. it's totally borked07:52
tehkAnyone elses update manager keep instaling the same packages?07:52
AssidFracture: restarts X ?07:52
Assidi got the same problem07:53
tehkMine wants to perform a partial upgrade again. Strange.07:53
FractureAssid: it did once.. but not anymore.. it just displays a black window, and totally bogs down the system07:53
AssidFracture: reinstall nvidia-glx07:53
Assidand thne restart x07:53
Assidit just fixed my issue07:53
Assidi was sluggish like hell  and xorg eating 30-50% cpu07:54
FractureAssid: I am using the latest nvidia driver, built using envy07:54
Assidenvy supports gutsy ?07:54
Assidhrmm.. not sure.. im just telling ytou what i did07:54
Assidkwin --replace &07:54
Assidand then pkill -9 emerald; compiz --replace & ; emerald --replace &07:55
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PriceChildbah at nvidia update08:12
Do``what it do?08:12
PriceChildbroken :)08:13
PriceChildrunning on nv to see if i can get things going again08:13
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CydeSwypeis anyone else in partial upgrade hell today?08:22
CydeSwypeupdate manager seems to think i need a partial upgrade but when i try to perform one it churns for awhile and then says i'm up to date, canceling the update08:23
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PriceChild*gives up on trying to get nvidia-glx* packages going08:27
malnilionHehe, maybe I shouldn't update yet then08:27
CydeSwypeyeah i'm stuck in nvidia hell too08:27
CydeSwypehence why i'm trying to update08:28
CydeSwypegot the new kernel08:28
malnilionWhat is version 100.14.11?08:28
CydeSwypebut x stiill won't start08:28
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CydeSwypemalnilion: i think that's referencing the nvidia kernel?08:28
CydeSwypei had some kernel mismatch before i did the last update08:29
malnilionYeah, the new nvidia-glx-new and nvidia-new-kernel packages or whatever have that version08:31
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CydeSwypei think the last update i did solved that problem...but then i had a new one...didn't write it down before booting this last time08:32
malnilionYeah, I'm a little afraid to install the updates I have marked here...08:34
malnilionCydeSwype, did booting with your old kernel fail too?08:34
CydeSwypei haven't tried booting the old kernel since the kernel update08:36
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CydeSwypei did an update this morning, then x wouldn't start.  then i upgraded to the new kernel, and x still wouldn't start.  i guess i could try booting the old kernel, but if it didn't start before, i'd doubt it would start now08:36
CydeSwypei just switch the nvidia to nv in xorg.conf and that seems to get me going...but no external monitor support or anything like that08:37
malnilionWell I think I'm gonna take the plunge :P08:38
CydeSwypehaha  good luck.  see you on the other side08:38
malnilionI'll be good 'til I reboot or kill my x server hehe08:39
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CydeSwypenot sure if there's a bug logged in launchpad yet or not...not sure what to look for08:40
CydeSwypeimma reboot again and get the error message08:40
malnilionBroken systems are sexy, they're like dirty tramps08:41
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Gnu_JoeWhy was the latest version of X cut from Fiesty?08:43
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CydeSwypeokay, yeah, i think i'm getting the same error as you.  api mismatch, nvidia driver component has version 100.14.1108:45
malnilionI haven't gotten an error yet, but I haven't restarted yet either08:46
malnilionSee ya on the other side, lol08:46
Assid100.14.11  ? 71xx series ?  96xx series ?   -- whats for the 6600GT ?08:46
Assidx is just toooooooooooooooo sluggish for me08:46
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Assid11031 root      16   0  103m  81m 5428 S   78  5.3  16:33.19 Xorg08:47
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Assidheck the timing looks crazy too.. its not on for 16 hours08:48
Assidbrb.. gonna reboot08:48
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qmfhi guys, i've gotten myself into a bit of a pickle.09:05
PiciMust be a really huge pickle.. unless you're really small.09:05
qmfi use 7.04 on my production machine but test gutsy on my laptop09:05
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qmfand i've managed to get stuck at a clients with this laptop and i need to scan a contract for alteration. but xsane seems to be broken09:06
qmfi've tried different versions but it always dies with..09:07
qmfSegmentation fault (core dumped)09:07
qmfgoogling the problem doesn't seems to give back any useful results09:08
kenroMy clock doesn't hold an ntp sync. The date's current, but time is 5 hours later than tz. Is this a bug, or can I do something about it? Mind you, startscript or crontab unsatisfactory solution as I don't always boot up into Inet. any help, especialy successful, greatly appreciated.09:09
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odlaso i'm upgrading to gutsy using update-manager -d and it is going to install thunderbird?  is that strange?09:11
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odlaunfortunately i need to run gutsy for hardware fixes (video card, audio card, wireless card) ... but i'm just going to reinstall again once gutsy becomes final in october anyways09:13
atomicpotatoI don't see thunderbird as a new dependency, but if you have the mozilla-thunderbird package installed, it's been deprecated09:13
atomicpotatoreplaced by thunderbird you see..09:13
odlaatomicpotato: this is a fresh feisty install09:13
atomicpotatohuh, no idea then09:13
odlaatomicpotato: just installed feisty about 10 minutes ago and now i'm upgrading to gutsy09:14
atomicpotatoI just let the update-manager do what it wants and clean up later09:14
odlaatomicpotato: :)09:14
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malnilionHehe, that was fun09:15
gnomefreakodla: thunkderbird is the new name we still build binaries for mozilla-thiunderbird but we just renamed it. it will remove mozilla-thunderbird but everything will install fine and your profile will not be touched09:16
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atomicpotatohe says it's a fresh install though09:17
malnilionFor whatever reason, included in my updates was the -386 image and restricted drivers, but no headers and that became my default kernel, so I had to get rid of that and get back to -generic09:17
atomicpotatoso I'm guessing there's a dependency failure somewhere09:17
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gnomefreakatomicpotato: what is the failure?09:17
atomicpotatoas far as I know, thunderbird isn't part of the default install09:17
atomicpotatowe use evolution instead, right?09:17
gnomefreakits in main but it is not default on anything but xubuntu(if its still installed by defaul there)09:18
atomicpotatoyeah, so the weird thing is that update-manager wanted to install it during a dist-upgrade from a clean feisty09:19
gnomefreakwhat desktop09:20
atomicpotatodon't know, he didn't say09:20
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gnomefreakxubuntu is still default afaik gnome and kde wont install it or upgrade it without a package relation being there. i just looked at depends and control file for it09:23
Priceyyay I've got nvidia-glx-new working for me again :)09:24
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CydeSwypepricey, what'd you do?  i think malnilion and i are both wrestling with glx this morning09:25
malnilionI'm all good to go09:25
CydeSwypeoh you bastards09:25
PriceyCydeSwype, ok well what error are you getting?09:26
CydeSwypepricey: api mismatch after an update this morning09:26
malnilionThe most trouble I had was with my upgrade including the 386 kernel image and modules and making it the default booted kernel09:26
PriceyCydeSwype, what are the two it is finding?09:26
Priceymalnilion, remove -386 and run -generic09:26
CydeSwype"this nvidia driver component has version 100.14.11"09:26
PriceyCydeSwype, but the other is...?09:26
CydeSwypenot sure...09:26
CydeSwypedidn't say in the error message09:27
Priceyeven the extended log?09:27
Priceymine for some random reason was 718509:27
Priceyso i installed nvidia-glx-legacy09:27
Priceyand rm /lib/linux-restricted-modules/.nvidia_new_installed09:27
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Priceythen rmmod nvidia, then restarted gdm and the legacy module loaded fine09:28
gnomefreakwhat cards were dropped this time?09:28
Priceyso i installed nvidia-glx-new and worked fine again (after removing the module just to make sure)09:28
Priceygnomefreak, none that i am aware of09:28
gnomefreakthats odd09:28
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kiba Package is in a very bad inconsistent state - you should09:28
kiba reinstall it before attempting a removal.09:28
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PriceyI'll just go through nvidia.com's changelogs to make sure...09:29
kibaI let the problem go through for quite a long time09:29
Priceybut i'm pretty sure none have been dropped since 974609:29
cavediverIs there a way to configure the plugins availible with compiz ?09:29
gnomefreakkiba: what package is that?09:29
kibanow the day that I shall eliminate this problem altogether!09:29
Priceycavediver, sudo apt-get install compizconfig-settings-manager09:29
kibadid something wrong with that package09:29
gnomefreakkiba: that shouldnt be there. what is the issue with it?09:29
gnomefreakkiba: latest build of it works fine.'09:29
CydeSwypeokay, synaptic says i have nvidia-glx ver 1:100.14.12 and nvidia-kernel-2.6.22-9-generic 1:100.14.12+2.6.22-9.2009:30
gnomefreakkiba: do you have flash and gnash installed?09:31
kibadidn't have the latest build09:31
gnomefreakCydeSwype: update your kernel09:31
kibathat problem occur when there is a bug...09:31
PriceyCydeSwype, we're on -10 now09:31
CydeSwypegnomefreak: will do09:31
kibaon something like August 1209:31
CydeSwypeoh, you mean the linux kernel?09:32
Priceyand i never knew there was new nvidia for -909:32
gnomefreakthe newest nvidia is for -1009:32
CydeSwypei already did that09:32
kibasince then..I didn't try to fix it09:32
CydeSwypethis morning09:32
kibathen I tried force remove it09:32
kibabut did something wrong in the process09:32
gnomefreakkiba: just wait for it i found the problem09:32
gnomefreakits fixed locally atm waiting for another push09:32
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shaun_i'm running a program09:33
shaun_i'm running it twice at the same time09:33
shaun_and when i do top09:33
shaun_it says that each one is using roughly 98=% cpu09:33
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gnomefreaka motu pushed it without checking with the maintainer and whatever was pushed broke09:33
kibagnomefreak: it's already fixed09:33
shaun_sometimes it will say one is using 100% and the othe ris using 98%09:33
kibajust that apt-get isn't going to fix it for me09:33
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shaun_this have something to do with the core 2 duo?09:34
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CydeSwypeargh...i think grub booted me to the old default kernel...rebooting to .10 now09:34
kibait is a week old09:34
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kenroMy clock doesn't hold an ntp sync. The date's current, but time is 5 hours later than tz. Is this a bug, or can I do something about it? Mind you, startscript or crontab unsatisfactory solution as I don't always boot up into Inet. any help, especially successful, greatly appreciated.09:40
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shaun_kenro: `sudo ntpdate pool.ntp.org`09:49
kenroshaun_: I know. It won't hold a ntp sync.09:50
shaun_so after it sets the right time it reverts back to the old one?09:50
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CydeSwypeokay, i think i realize what's going on now.  my update manager is screwy...it tells me i need a partial upgrade but when i run it it says i'm up-to-date and then closes09:51
kenroCorrect. But after reboot.09:52
CydeSwypesooo...i'm stuck on an old kernel version of nvidia, but a newer linux kernel09:52
CydeSwype.9 vs. .1009:52
shaun_you could make an rc script that runs it when the comp boots09:52
CydeSwypeafter reboot i'm still having the same trouble with update manager.09:53
CydeSwypei'm running it again right now...will let you know the outcome09:53
shaun_that was directed at kenro, but whatever :P09:53
kenroshaun_:  My clock doesn't hold an ntp sync. The date's current, but time is 5 hours later than tz. Is this a bug, or can I do something about it? Mind you, startscript or crontab unsatisfactory solution as I don't always boot up into Inet. any help, especially successful, greatly appreciated.09:54
CydeSwypeyep..same...think i'm up to date after it starts doing the partial upgrade09:54
CydeSwypeand synaptic doesn't seem to see a .10 version of the nvidia kernel.  maybe my sources are goofy?09:55
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shaun_nvidia kernel?09:55
CydeSwypethat's all synaptic sees.  no .10 ver09:56
CydeSwypeerrr -1009:56
atomicpotatoerr, http://pastebin.ca/667194 <-- your package seems to not exist09:56
CydeSwypewell that's interesting lol09:57
shaun_i just see: nvidia-kernel-1.0.975509:57
shaun_and other similar packages09:57
CydeSwypei wonder if that was some leftover stuff from like...envy or something09:57
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CydeSwypeso...if synaptic isn't showing any other nvidia kernel...what should i do?10:00
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CydeSwypedo i have to build it from source?10:01
CydeSwypei have kernel source and common...but no kernel (other than the one i mentioned which seems to be invalid)10:01
nosrednaekimCydeSwype: stupid question, but have you tryed updating?10:01
nosrednaekimyour package lists?10:01
shaun_sudo aptitude update10:02
shaun_then sudo aptitude upgrade10:02
shaun_and u dont have to worry about synaptic10:02
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CydeSwypeokay, i'll try doing apt from the cli.10:03
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CydeSwypelooks like my restricted nvidia driver got disabled somewhere along the line...switching that back on also10:05
CydeSwypetime for a reboot brb10:05
dunderanyone know if gutsy has decent support for jmicron IDE controller??10:06
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magnetronif ubuntu supported EFI, would it need Boot camp to run on apple computers?10:07
hyljeyou can get linux boot on vanilla EFI10:07
hyljenot sure does the x86/amd64 ubuntu support it10:07
magnetronit would be sweet if it did10:08
hyljei'd believe it'd need a different media for the disc to boot off efi10:08
nosrednaekimhylje: pretty sure it does.10:08
hyljenosrednaekim: sounds great10:09
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nosrednaekimhylje: there is a Kubuntu dev with a Mac book.10:09
nosrednaekimand I never heard him and others complain about non-booting.10:09
nosrednaekimas long as its an Intel10:09
magnetronnosrednaekim: maybe he use boot camp to boot strap grub10:10
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malnilionHow'd it go, CydeSwype?10:11
CydeSwypeoi.  update manager still seems to think i need an upgrade10:11
CydeSwypex still won't start with the nvidia driver10:11
CydeSwypeonly with nv10:11
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CydeSwypeapparently with nv as my driver in xorg.conf, that disabled the nvidia restricted driver.  so that's disabled again10:12
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Arwenanyone else have issues with GNOME hanging when you hit the "logout" button?10:14
CydeSwypearwen, i've never used logouot, but i do have gnome hang when i attempt to shutdown10:15
instabin|workHow can I get a process list at a terminal?10:16
CydeSwype.does it only happen for you on logout?  or any sort of exiting gnome event?10:16
CydeSwypeps ax10:16
Arwenany sort of event10:16
Arweninstabin|work, with the "ps" command10:16
ArwenCydeSwype, I don't actually have to do said event, only to bring up the quit menu10:17
CydeSwypearwen: yeah...sounds like what i've been seing then.  i wonder if there's a report for that in launchpad yet.10:17
CydeSwypethat's different then10:17
CydeSwypei don't have that behavior10:17
Arwenyeah, it hangs but I can still move my cursor or reset X10:17
CydeSwypemine locks up hard...cursor is gone, background is still there, but have to do a cold-restart to get out10:18
CydeSwypejust does a system beep when hitting the power button10:18
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CydeSwypeso...i can't see how to get past these packages that have been "kept back"10:21
CydeSwypethey're all open office packages10:21
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CydeSwypebut they're perpetually "kept back" as i can't do a partial upgrade10:22
instabin|workrunning apt-get over ssh is that a good idea?..... o well at least my updates will be done when i get home10:22
ArwenCydeSwype, try doing apt-get dist-upgrade10:22
Arweninstabin|work, eh, long as you don't disconnect10:22
nosrednaekiminstabin|work: on't disconnect!10:23
CydeSwypearwen, that seems to be grabbing them...better than i was getting with update manager10:23
instabin|workCydeSwype: apt-get dist-upgrade will fix it... its what im doing10:24
nosrednaekiminstabin|work: don't disconnect the ssh session.10:24
Arwenif you disconnect it, it might still work, but I'm guessing it'll foobar10:25
nosrednaekimmaybe if you run it as a background process10:27
instabin|worknosrednaekim: why? LOL10:28
nosrednaekiminstabin|work: why what?10:28
instabin|workI can disconnect if i do apt-get dist-upgrade > apt-get.out10:28
CydeSwypesweet, that update worked.  okay rebooting again...those changes only seemed to hit openoffice packages so i don't there's going to be any effect, but here's hoping10:29
magnetronwill gutsy use debtorrent?10:33
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wamtyanyone here that is using Ubuntu 7.04?10:36
Arwennope, this is #ubuntu+1 :-)10:36
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CydeSwypei suck at this game10:37
wamtywhy are my taskbar buttons stretched?10:37
w00tugh... is there a reliable, easy way to use the binary nvidia driver? it really doesn't seem to like me.10:37
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wamtyif i play an internet radio with XMMS and the filename is long, the taskbar will be long as well10:37
wamtyhow to make taskbar buttons in limited size?10:38
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w00tsomeone, anyone? :)10:45
kenroI need a little help o getting unrar installed.10:46
kenroArwen: Will hte gibbon  use unrar? I have lots of cbr and none of the cbr apps work because they ep unrar.10:48
kenroArwen: Will hte gibbon  use unrar? I have lots of cbr and none of the cbr apps work because they dep unrar.10:49
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Arwendon't repeat10:49
kenrowtf is ep?10:49
Arwenand please state your question in understandable English10:49
kenrowtf is dep?10:49
Arwendep = dependency, it's what a package requires in order to work10:50
kenroNo repeat. Was a clarification.10:50
Arwensaying the same thing twice is not a clarification10:50
magnetronunrar-free is nice10:51
kenroI did not say the same thing twice. I first asked in reference to ep. Anyway, you know what cbr is?10:51
masqueradeCBR could be one of many things10:52
masqueradeI'm guessing you're thinking the .cbr, which is an rar file10:53
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kenrocomic book archive...  I might need an extra pkg src, but worry about screwing up Gibbon10:54
Arwenapt-get install unrar10:54
kenroPackage unrar is not available, but is referred to by another package.10:55
kenroThis may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or10:55
kenrois only available from another source10:55
ubotuThe packages in Ubuntu are divided into several sections. More information at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories and http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/components - See also !EasySource10:55
kenrounrar-free is already the newest version.10:56
Arwen...I think you should go back to the stable version10:56
kenroI forget  whatall, but stable doesn't work on my hardware.10:58
kenroNeeds a rather advanced kernel.10:58
Arwengeneral questions can still go to #ubuntu/#kubuntu, try to keep discussion here about what's broken in Gutsy Gibbon10:59
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masqueradeokay, so, let's discuss the nvidia-glx stuff. I'm afraid to reboot cause I've heard the horror stories :)10:59
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kenroArwen:  So tell me if adding, say, a apt-get.org source, will screw my computer? #ubuntu won't touch this question.11:01
kenroOr, more generally stated, If I track a purely debian pkg src, will I screw my computer?11:02
Arwenmasquerade, heh, ATI user here. I've got my own problems to deal with.11:02
Arwenkenro, adding a malicious source will screw up your computer11:03
Arwennot all of the official repositories are enabled by default, did you read !repository ?11:03
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paolo_Hi all, is there anybody that can help me in solving a problem with compiz?11:04
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CydeSwypepaolo, what's the issue?  i'm still trying to get back my nvidia drivers, but as of last night i had compiz running nicley11:05
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kenroArwen:  http://ubuntu.pastebin.us/39132 and you tell me if I've enabled all the official sources.11:06
paolo_If I enable it I get a corrupted desktop, the right part is unusable11:06
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Arwenkenro, lines 19-20, add "multiverse" to the end11:06
Arwenlines 18-18*11:06
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Arwenlines 18-19*11:07
kenroArwen:  change deb http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ gutsy universe to deb http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ gutsy multiverse?11:08
Arwenno, add it to the end11:08
Arwene.g. deb http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ gutsy universe multiverse11:08
kenroto 18 and 1911:08
Arwen(I recommend reading "man sources.list" to understand how it works)11:08
Arwenyeah, 18/1911:08
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paolo_pvandewyngaerde: I've put a screenshoot here:http://xs118.xs.to/xs118/07343/compiz.png11:10
pvandewyngaerdetalking to me ?11:11
paolo_sorry pvandewyngaerde, wrong destination :-)11:12
paolo_CydeSwype:  I've put a screenshoot here:http://xs118.xs.to/xs118/07343/compiz.png11:12
kenroArwen:  Heh :) So I wasn't as up on the job as I'd thought. :) Now I update/dist-upgrade/install unrar?11:13
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CydeSwypepaolo_: right...so it looks as though you're not getting the effects support and ubuntu recognizes that.  you've enabled restricted drivers?  nvidia or ati card?11:13
Arwenkenro, yeah11:14
paolo_CydeSwype: ATI card, no restricted driver11:14
CydeSwypehave you ever used envy?11:15
paolo_CydeSwype: Usually I don't get the error message, I simply get the corruption and desktop effects are enabled11:15
paolo_CydeSwype: Yes. but envy doesn't work with my card11:16
kibamozilla-plugin-gnash.prerm is messed up11:16
kibawhere could I get another copy of mozilla-plugin-gnash.perrm11:16
kibaI seem to can't find it in the mozilla-plugin-gnash.prerm I installed11:17
kibaI mean11:17
CydeSwypei've used envy in the past and it left behind a bunch of conflicting sources/packages11:17
kenrothere's currently a fight on slashdot. But then, there's always a fight on slashdot.11:17
kibaI seem to can't find it in the mozilla-plugin-gnash package I downloaded11:17
Arwenick, envy...11:17
CydeSwypei had to do a good amount of cleaning up before reinstalling the right packages11:17
Arwenanything auto-scripted is dangerous and useless at best11:17
kenroArwen:  Hope this solves my clocksync...11:17
CydeSwypearwen, i concur.  i was young and naive back then11:17
Arwenyour clock is out of sync?11:18
paolo_CydeSwype: I'm using a Radeon R100 QD [Radeon 7200] 11:18
Arwenyou need XGL for that card don't you?11:18
kenroArwen: My clock doesn't hold an ntp sync. The date's current, but time is 5 hours later than tz. Is this a bug, or can I do something about it? Mind you, startscript or crontab unsatisfactory solution as I don't always boot up into Inet. any help, especially successful, greatly appreciated.11:19
kibawhere could I get another copy of mozilla-plugin-gnash.perrm?11:19
kibamine cause package to be inconsistent11:19
Arwenkenro, you could call ntp to just sync it once11:19
w00tI am going NUTS trying to get some form of decent nvidia driver working on here - nothing I do seems to get anywhere. Does anyone have any experience with the process?11:19
Arwenor does it go out of sync every time you boot?11:19
kenroArwen:  correct11:20
w00trestricted-manager helpfully told me I don't need restricted drivers (before It stopped working all together when I tried to reinstall it) which is a load of total and utter crap, as nothing that requires 3D is working, of course11:20
Arwenhmm, that's really odd. I don't know how you would fix that.11:20
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pwnguinw00t: which video card have you?11:21
w00t256mb NVidia GeForce 8300 GS11:21
kenroArwen:  It always resets to about 5hours later than tz when I reboot.11:21
pwnguinw00t: i think the package you want is nvidia-glx-new11:21
w00tpwnguin, tried it - it didn't work out11:22
w00tfirstly it didn't change my X conf for me, so I did - X then failed to start11:22
kenroArwen:  Make that 5 hours earlier.11:22
pwnguinw00t: what was the output?11:22
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w00tpwnguin, give me a bit, I'll do it again.11:23
Arwenkenro, I don't know.11:23
kenroArwen:  clock reads 7:22am11:23
w00tpwnguin: (I just need to apt-get nvidia-glx-new, and change Driver to "nvidia" from "nv", right?)11:23
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kenrooooooo I dO NOT want openoffice!11:23
pwnguinw00t: basically11:24
kenroBeyond that, oo fails to install.11:24
pwnguinw00t: you might also need to load the nvidia kernel module, but i dobut thats needed11:25
w00twell, that's that, let's try start X.11:25
w00tbear with me11:26
w00ton console, so of course I need to type the stuff.11:26
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w00t(EE) Failed to load module "wfb (module does not exist, 0)11:28
w00t(II)  Module alreadyt built in~11:28
Ubulindycan someone tell me why I am having probs with x-chat? Just pops up, and as quick, just disappears?11:28
pwnguinUbulindy: run it from the command line, and you'll probably get an answer11:28
w00tFATAL: Could not open /a/really/long/path/vidia.ko: no such file or directory11:28
Ubulindysame with x-chat gnome11:28
w00t.. ko11:29
w00texcuse typos, I can't see what I'm typing.11:29
Ubulindywhat command do I run?11:29
w00tUbulindy: xchat11:29
pwnguinw00t: try running "modprobe nvidia"11:29
w00tpwnguin: one sec.11:29
Ubulindyk, thanks11:29
w00tpwnguin: as a normal user? or does that need superuser11:30
w00tcould not open /really/long/path/nvidia.ko: no such file or directory11:30
w00tuh oh..11:30
Ubulindysaid core dumped11:30
w00tUbulindy: it crashed then11:31
Ubulindyyes, why?11:31
pwnguinUbulindy: cuz it's in development?11:31
w00tpwnguin: pwnguin I have two different versions folders in /lib/modules11:31
w00t2.6.20-15-generic and 2.6.22-10-generic11:31
pwnguinw00t, have you recently upgraded kernels without rebooting?11:31
UbulindyI did have it up and running when I first installed, but not since11:31
pwnguinw00t: uname -a11:31
w00tpwnguin: not to my knowledge.. but11:32
w00tyou think..11:32
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CydeSwypewtf...my uname still says i'm on .911:32
CydeSwypegrub told me i was loading .10...and before i started x, i'm pretty sure i was on .1011:33
pwnguinare you looking at the server you're ircing from?11:33
kenroArwen:  uh oh... upgrae/dist-upgrade installs enterprise apps on my lappy. I don't need that kind of powe...11:33
w00thmm, I behmm. /vmlinuz is pointing at .2211:33
w00tso maybe I haven't rebooted.11:33
CydeSwypei just ctrl+alt+f2 and did a uname and got a different result...than what i'm getting in shell inside x11:33
w00tlet's try that. :)11:33
kenroSetting up kdepim-wizards (4:3.5.7enterprise20070810-0ubuntu2) ...11:33
pvandewyngaerdeLinux pvandewyngaerde-desktop 2.6.22-10-generic #1 SMP Wed Aug 22 07:42:05 GMT 2007 x86_64 GNU/Linux11:34
CydeSwypeoh jesus...n/m i'm retarded11:34
CydeSwypetoo many shell windows open11:34
CydeSwypei'm on .1011:34
pwnguinLinux camaro 2.6.20-gentoo-r4 #1 SMP Sat Mar 31 20:18:13 CDT 2007 i686 Intel(R) Xeon(TM) CPU 2.66GHz GenuineIntel GNU/Linux11:35
w00tpwnguin: i'm getting somewhere11:38
w00tsomething forgot to run update-grub11:38
w00tso anyway11:38
w00ti'm booted into the new kernel now11:38
w00tit's still erroring, but differently11:38
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w00t(EE) Failed to load module wfb (module does not exist, 0)11:38
w00t(EE) NVIDIA(0): Need libwfb but  wfbScreenInit not found11:39
w00tminus the double space11:39
ubotuLaunchpad bug 98641 in linux-restricted-modules-2.6.20 "[nvidia-glx-new]  NVidia driver missing libwfb" [High,Confirmed] 11:41
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w00tpwnguin: their recommendation seems to be to grab it from nvidia and start over (libfw)11:43
w00tshould it not be packaged though?11:44
pwnguinim not done reading that bug report =/11:44
w00tneither, i'm skimming + fast reader, so almost :P11:44
pwnguinim just at the point where kernel guy says it should be fixed11:44
kibaI have a broken mozilla-plugin-gnash.prem11:46
pwnguinah, but that was for feisty. makes one wonder why it didnt make it into gutsy11:46
kibawhich cause inconsistently when removing packages11:46
w00tpwnguin: $%^&11:47
w00tdoes this mean I need to file a report on thjis?11:47
pwnguinw00t: no11:47
pwnguinw00t: but you might subscribe to that one11:47
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pwnguinit's alraedy listed as affecting 2.6.22; the kernel developer just said back in may he pushed it out to feisty-updates. obvoiusly, we're testing gutsy now ;)11:48
kibaanybody hlellllllllllllp?11:48
kibacan somebody paste their mozilla-plugin-gnash.prerm from var/lib/dkpg/info11:50
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pwnguini dont think i have gnash installed11:51
pvandewyngaerdeis gnash any good ?11:53
kibawell..mine is in a very inconsistent state11:53
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kibapvandewygaerdo: It can play flash better than all the other flash player11:53
kibaand is actually usable on youtube11:53
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pvandewyngaerdeand it runs native on 64 bit11:55
kibawell..I need a fresh copy so I can fix this thing11:55
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magnetrongnash gtw12:02
Arwenkiba, "better than all the other flash player" <-- as in better than Adobe Flash?12:03
pvandewyngaerdethere is a #gnash12:03
magnetroni really hope that gnash will be fairly stable before ubuntu 7.10 release12:03
ArwenI just want Flash to disappear from the Internet.12:04
ArwenIt's bad enough that ads are written in Flash, but now whole websites require it to function.12:04
magnetronir's a crap-o-crap12:05
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kibaArwen: no12:08
kibabut seriously..12:08
kibaI need it to fix the plugin so I can install other stuff12:08
Arwenah, sorry, I wasn't actually paying attention to the channel12:08
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kibaI can't install other stuff without force removing the plugin12:11
kibahelp please?12:11
RAOFkiba: You can rm the failing prerm script.  It's in /var/lib/dpkg/... (the dpkg failure message will tell you precisely where it is)12:11
kibaI know where it is12:13
kibaI am supposed to delete it?12:13
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RAOFkiba: That will fix your problem, and it's what I did.12:14
RAOFkiba: I'm surprised that it hasn't been fixed yet, though.  The flashplugin-nonfree one has.12:14
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tehkAnyone know how to restore the templates folder? I deleted it and I just recreated it but the issue is even tho it has templates inside it does not show in my right click menu12:15
kibaRAOF: oh..I didn't fix mine for a week12:16
kiba Package is in a very bad inconsistent state - you should12:16
kiba reinstall it before attempting a removal.12:16
kibastill got that12:16
RAOFYou shold now be able to follow that advice.12:17
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Arwenin launchpad, is there a way to filter out bugs by source?12:26
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kwizardHi is anyone a guru on Ubuntu Server?12:27
RAOFWhat do you mean by "source"?12:27
kwizardNo I need advice on installing an extra IP address, I did it before but forgot the command12:28
RAOFkwizard: You're probably after #ubuntu-server, right?12:29
ArwenRAOF, as in, I want to view all the bugs assigned to a certain source package12:29
kwizardok ill go there12:29
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RAOFArwen: bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/sourcepackagename12:33
RAOFArwen: Or just search for the package from the Ubuntu page, and hit the "bugs" tab.12:34
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BotLobstacan anyone help me with getting my sound card to work12:36
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kibasystem repaired :)12:40
kibait got stuck on apt-file12:41
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kibastill in progress methink12:42
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angasuleahoy! I have not tried gutsy, but I have a very important question: does it have a pppoe GUI tool? Every broadband ISP in my country uses pppoe12:45
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CydeSwypeBotLobsta: did your sound card work prior to today's update?12:56
CydeSwypekernel update that is12:56
BotLobstabefore today it wasnt even recognised12:56
CydeSwypehave you tried tweaking the options under the sound config?12:57
BotLobstanow its seen but the speakers dont work12:57
BotLobstawhere do i find that?12:57
CydeSwypesystem -> preferences => sound12:57
BotLobstaim using xfce not gnome12:58
CydeSwypenot sure then...i would think there would be an equivalent12:59
BotLobstathe headphone jack works but the speakers dont01:00
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nosrednaekimBotLobsta: this byany chance an Intel or an ATI HDA card?01:02
BotLobstaits an intel01:02
BotLobstaon a dell latitude 83001:02
nosrednaekimBotLobsta: heh... just be luck its workring at all.. nothing but trouble from those things..01:03
nosrednaekimBotLobsta: you could try www.linux-laptop.net and look for your model #01:04
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