[12:25] <ubotu> New bug: #133932 in samba (main) "Samba is not configured for using CUPS by default" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/133932
[12:25] <ubotu> New bug: #133933 in cheese (universe) "Can you update Cheese to 0.2.2 (many new sexy features)" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/133933
[12:25] <ubotu> New bug: #133934 in vlc (universe) "Typo in libvlc.h vlc-0.8.6.release breaks compilation" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/133934
[12:36] <ubotu> New bug: #133935 in libimage-exiftool-perl (universe) "missing xmp2iptc.args and iptc2xmp.args" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/133935
[02:17] <rbs-tito_> alex-weej: I've linked bug 131145 upstream to gnome and mozilla, is it worth linking the two upstream bugs to each other?
[02:18] <alex-weej> bug 131145
[02:18] <rbs-tito> Where is Ubotu?
[02:18] <rbs-tito> ubotu: bug 131145
[02:19] <rbs-tito> :O He's run away
[02:19] <rbs-tito> Who hosts him?
[02:19] <alex-weej> it's ok i found it
[02:20] <alex-weej> i'm not sure it affects Nautilus upstream
[02:20] <rbs-tito> alex-weej: We'll soon see, when GNOME triage that bug. I didn't make the nautilus bug, I found it
[02:20] <alex-weej> it is over 2 years old
[02:21] <rbs-tito> Oh
[02:22] <rbs-tito> I've linked to Mozilla too
[02:22] <alex-weej> it's a bit of a mess this problem
[02:22] <alex-weej> should mozilla be honouring file-URIs?
[02:22] <alex-weej> or should nautilus be negotiating local UNIX paths?
[02:23] <rbs-tito> I can't see why Nautilus would append file:// to anything
[02:23] <alex-weej> because all files in nautilus are URIs
[02:23] <rbs-tito> Oh
[02:24] <rbs-tito> Mozilla block URIs as a security feature
[02:24] <alex-weej> hm, i'm not too familiar with DND
[02:25] <alex-weej> but it seems that if nautilus understood now to negotiate the "application/x-moz-file" drag-n-drop data type
[02:25] <alex-weej> maybe this would go away
[02:26] <rbs-tito> Interesting
[02:26] <alex-weej> this Firefox extension supposedly fixes this https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/2190
[02:26] <rbs-tito> You can copy a file from nautilus, then paste it into firefox
[02:27] <alex-weej> as if it's written in Java
[02:28] <rbs-tito> alex-weej: Firefox want to disable the uploading of files from direct input
[02:29] <alex-weej> rbs-tito: oh... source?
[02:29] <rbs-tito> alex-weej: Because you could have a hidden form element, a file uploader, which has the default as some important file
[02:29] <rbs-tito> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=258875
[02:29] <pedro_> heya sourcercito
[02:29] <alex-weej> rbs-tito: no, if i'm dragging and dropping something from nautilus to firefox
[02:29] <alex-weej> that can't be automated
[02:30] <alex-weej> and this extension is freaking ugly
[02:30] <rbs-tito> alex-weej: all that would do is change the text field to /home/user/file , or file://home/user/file
[02:30] <alex-weej> simulating mouse clicks and stuff
[02:31] <rbs-tito> alex-weej: And a form element could be set to that by default
[02:31] <alex-weej> rbs-tito: no it couldn't, as you can't set the value of an input form field by firefox's security policy
[02:31] <alex-weej> when i drag and drop
[02:32] <alex-weej> it is firefox's code that decides what to do
[02:32] <alex-weej> not external code
[02:32] <alex-weej> it should invoke the same routine it would do as if i had returned file:///mypath/yadda/yadda from GtkFileChooser
[02:32] <rbs-tito> Oh right, so firefox doesn't allow default files to be put into form uploads?
[02:32] <alex-weej> no because of exactly what you just said
[02:33] <rbs-tito> oh right
[02:36] <rbs-tito> I've never read a bug quite like bug 133951
[02:36] <rbs-tito> "
[02:36] <rbs-tito> ATI Radeon 9200 (PCI) (NOTE: It is NOOOOOOOOOT SE, nor is it a pro. It's JUST 9200. Yeah, I know, piece of crap. It ran Half-Life 2 on Windows, I was happy.)"
[02:37] <pedro_> ahahaha
[02:37] <pedro_> that's a funny one
[02:37] <rbs-tito> I might rewrite his description
[02:43] <rbs-tito> Does anyone think this would be easier if we were based on Debian testing?
[05:38] <ryanakca> debian bug 439075
[05:39] <ryanakca> hmm. ubugtu's dead ;(
[05:39] <Hobbsee> ubugtu's been dead for a while
[05:41] <ryanakca> oh... hehe
[05:42] <Hobbsee> ubotu's not here
[05:43] <ryanakca> when a program fails to run due to some parts of it not being included into the package, it get's "High"? Or is it just medium? (example, bug #132587)
[05:59] <bdmurray> ryanakca: what package is it about?
[06:01] <bdmurray> Okay, it is about bzflag which isn't installed by default.  So I think Medium is appropriate.
[06:25] <ryanakca> bdmurray: ok, thanks
[06:59] <torkiano> bug  #132587
[08:16] <dholbach> good morning
[08:17] <thekorn> hi dholbach
[08:17] <dholbach> hey thekorn
[08:18] <thekorn> HAPPY HUG-DAY
[08:19] <dholbach> happy hug day to all of you too!
[08:19] <Hobbsee> oh noes, a hug day!
[08:20] <dholbach> it's a SPECIAL hug day!
[08:22] <Hobbsee> you mean you're going to fix all of kde's bug?
[08:22] <Hobbsee> er, bugs?
[08:40] <ubotu> New bug: #133972 in Ubuntu "[needs-packaging]  PanelFM" [Wishlist,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/133972
[08:41] <ubotu> New bug: #133975 in update-manager (main) "Update Manger problem with package initilization" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/133975
[08:41] <ubotu> New bug: #133976 in firefox (main) "firefox freezes with unknown reasons." [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/133976
[08:41] <ubotu> New bug: #133977 in linux-source-2.6.20 (main) "[feisty]  Realtek ALC883 integrated microphone does not work with the ALSA driver." [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/133977
[08:41] <ubotu> New bug: #133979 in firefox (main) "Unable to login to Drupal site" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/133979
[08:59] <Carroarmato0> I found a bug.... and smached it in my room  ;)
[09:02] <dholbach> GO Carroarmato0! :)
[09:02] <Carroarmato0> It was a big juicy one ^^
[09:02] <Carroarmato0> Hugs you all back
[09:02] <dholbach> herzi: how are you doing?
[09:02] <herzi> fine
[09:02] <herzi> really fine
[09:03] <dholbach> good to hear that :)
[09:03] <herzi> I had three weeks of vacation and now I'm spending the rest of the summer holidays working fulltime
[09:03] <herzi> and you?
[09:03] <dholbach> same here :-)
[09:03] <dholbach> had three weeks of vacation and they were absolutely fantastic
[09:03] <herzi> "just in time for the ubuntu gnome hug day" :-D
[09:04] <dholbach> http://daniel.holba.ch/blog/?p=48 - once I've recovered from email-itis - I'll probably post some pictures and stuff :)
[09:24] <dholbach> seb128: happy HUG DAY
[09:24] <seb128> dholbach: to you too ;)
[09:34] <Carroarmato0> Hey! Believe it or not I found a bug! In Feisty when enabling sound preview to always it doesn't work... neither for my mp3 or ogg files...
[09:36] <norsetto> morning all
[09:39] <seb128> Carroarmato0: sound preview is hacky and depends on command line tools to be installed
[09:39] <seb128> hi norsetto
[09:40] <norsetto> seb128: salut :-)
[09:40] <Carroarmato0> seb128: what command would that be?
[09:40] <Carroarmato0> seb128: I just went to launchpad and saw the workaround.... but why aren't these installed by default?
[09:41] <seb128> Carroarmato0: let's say that the code is ugly and the feature not working correctly
[09:42] <Carroarmato0> seb128: hence we add a button to enable it even if it's not working? ;)
[09:42] <seb128> patches are welcome
[09:42] <seb128> there is some ten of thousands bugs open and this one is not a high importance one on my list
[09:44] <Carroarmato0> Guess so... but if we want to impress our OS neighbours we should also pay attention to the small detail
[09:45] <seb128> right
[09:45] <seb128> there is lot of small details though
[09:45] <Carroarmato0> But of course the big big show stoppers go first
[09:45] <seb128> and days only have 24 hours
[09:46] <seb128> but you are welcome to work on making that one look better, we will be happy to review patches or suggestions on what to change ;)
[09:47] <Carroarmato0> I'm in the phase where I like to think of myself as a bug hunter and simply report bugs whenever I can. Still need to go to school and learn the tool of traid to smach virtual bugs. It ain't the same as in real life bug smaching ^^
[09:49] <Carroarmato0> Hmm...  got mp3 audio preview working... but the ogg files still don't give me love...
[09:52] <herzi> seb128: maybe the yelp bug can be tracked down using a dogtail script (because that script will likely be faster than any tester can be)
[09:52] <herzi> I've never used dogtail though - maybe I can find some time to look into this in the evening
[09:52] <seb128> that would be a good idea
[09:53] <seb128> neither did I
[09:53] <seb128> but I would be happy to have a look, that could be an useful tool ;)
[10:55] <kagou> can someone tell me if i'v well done sync request for Bug #133999 and Bug #133320  ??
[10:56] <kagou> as we are in freeze i'm not sure (i'v just subscribed Ubuntu Sponsors for universe)
[10:56] <seb128> kagou: looking
[10:56] <seb128> not really, no
[10:56] <kagou> 'lu seb128 Merci
[10:56] <seb128> do you know about requestsync?
[10:56] <kagou> argl that's it
[10:57] <kagou> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SyncRequestProcess
[10:58] <kagou> i'v quickly added subsribing for an existing bug, and doing the same for the other
[10:58] <seb128> right
[10:58] <seb128> and please do clear bugs
[10:58] <seb128> like bug ##133320 is not manageable
[10:59] <seb128> those should be quick to process
[10:59] <seb128> not have over one page of text to read
[10:59] <seb128> also open one bug by package
[10:59] <kagou> ok. i'm doing changes now
[10:59] <seb128> specify the version, if it's main or universe, if there is Ubuntu changes
[11:00] <seb128> the easier is really to use the requestsync script, it does that for you
[11:00] <seb128> you just have to specify if there is Ubuntu changes if why they can be dropped
[11:06] <kagou> seb128, can you have a look again at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gtk-recordmydesktop/+bug/133320
[11:07] <seb128> kagou: looks better, you also want to specify that there is no Ubuntu change
[11:07] <kagou> right !
[11:07] <seb128> kagou: and open a recordmydesktop task
[11:08] <kagou> seb128, i don't know how to do that
[11:09] <seb128> kagou: click on the Also affects under the table
[11:09] <seb128> distribution
[11:14] <kagou> seb128, done. Michael Bienia ask me to do an UVF
[11:16] <seb128> right
[11:16] <seb128> geser: UVF is in place for universe also?
[11:18] <geser> seb128: yes
[11:18] <seb128> we should have a webcal with that ;)
[11:18] <kagou> ok
[11:19] <ogra> seb128, afaik keybuk made an ical file for evo import
[11:21] <seb128> ogra: he used to, I don't think he did one for gutsy though
[11:21] <seb128> I asked him several times and he said he had issues doing it
[11:21] <ogra> ah,yeah, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GutsyReleaseSchedule says its broken atm
[11:33] <dholbach> happy hug day :-)
[11:40] <kagou> hey dholbach  :) happy hug day
[11:40] <coNP> Someone should hug the topic :)
[11:40] <dholbach> hey coNP
[11:44] <dholbach> coNP: what do you want to have in the topic?
[11:45] <coNP> dholbach: Nothing really important, maybe some HAPPY HUG DAY :)
[11:46] <dholbach> grrrr
[11:46] <dholbach> :)
[12:04] <dholbach> heno is still in the lead: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBugDay/20070822 :-)
[12:05] <heno> :)
[12:51] <norsetto> For http://launchpad.net/bugs/111814 I added seb128 as triager in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBugDay/20070822. He triaged it, and the mismatch is due to upstream not yet rejecting the bug.
[01:26] <Jazzva> Hmm... Can anybody change the bug status at GNOME's bug tracker?
[01:34] <Jazzva> Hm, ok. Found the answer...
[01:43] <huats> Hi, I'd like to try to resolv bug #133600, but I don't fnid where to say that I am working on it...
[01:44] <huats> norsetto: I think that you offer to mentor for it...
[01:45] <mjanietz> hi guys. Quick one: Did you fix the tracked bug with the latest kernel update? Had major HD activity but it appears to be gone today.
[02:28] <seb128> dholbach: could you have a look to bug #128929?
[02:30] <seb128> dholbach: no need to bother, seems to be fixed in gutsy
[02:39] <dholbach> seb128: ok super
[02:51] <coNP> Hey Hobbsee
[02:51] <Hobbsee> hi coNP
[02:53] <seb128> Hobbsee: happy GNOME bug day ;)
[02:53] <Hobbsee> seb128: let me file you some more bugs on GNOME then... :)
[02:53] <Hobbsee> "bug:  gnome does not act like kde"
[02:54] <seb128> Hobbsee: if they are valids and non duplicates you are welcome to do so ;)
[02:55] <Hobbsee> seb128: like the one above then.  excellent
[02:55] <seb128> Hobbsee: that is not a valide one!
[02:56] <Hobbsee> seb128: oh yes it is!
[02:56] <norsetto> huats: sorry, was lunching; you want to fix 133600 then?
[02:57] <seb128> k, since KDE guys seem to be friendly I think I'll not look at their packages waiting in NEW today ;)
[02:57] <pedro_> hahaha
[02:58] <Hobbsee> if one wishes to troll, it is always more fun if one is trolling with +o capabilities.
[03:00] <norsetto> heck, one should never slap a woman: "women shall not be touched even with a flower"
[03:00] <Hobbsee> heh :)
[03:00] <Hobbsee> hmm, he must not have autojoin on
[03:01] <xxxxx1> hehe
[03:03] <huats> norsetto: sorry I was away too
[03:03] <huats> norsetto: Yep I'd like to fix it
[03:03] <norsetto> huats: ok, set it to in progress and mark yourself as the one working on it then
[03:03] <Hobbsee> seb128: :)
[03:04] <seb128> hey Hobbsee ;)
[03:04] <Hobbsee> seb128: dunno *what* did that
[03:04] <Hobbsee> seb128: did you want the backscroll, for while you were gone?
[03:04] <norsetto> O:-)
[03:05] <seb128> Hobbsee: if there is something of interest there yes, otherwise don't bother
[03:05] <Hobbsee> seb128: perhaps not, but http://rafb.net/p/zBj0XQ14.html
[03:06] <norsetto> zBj0XQ!
[03:06] <norsetto> :-X
[03:07] <seb128> Hobbsee: thanks ;)
[03:07] <Hobbsee> seb128: no problem.  now, about the gnome should look like kde bugs...
[03:07] <seb128> and no, I've no autojoin after kicking, just on xchat start
[03:08] <seb128> if we do that, will you switch to GNOME? ;)
[03:08] <Hobbsee> useful.  and i actually meant autojoin on invite
[03:08] <Hobbsee> quite possibly.  using gnome would actually be the far better option, for ubuntu
[03:09] <Hobbsee> seb128: there being more demand for it, so more attention spent on it, etc.
[03:09] <ScottK> Hobbsee: Start using Dolphin for your file manager and you're off to a good start.
[03:09] <Hobbsee> ScottK: urgh.
[03:09] <Hobbsee> ScottK: i dont mind dolphin. in small doses.
[03:12] <Hobbsee> seb128: i'd far prefer to have a few too many options, with a search box, than to have no choice at all.
[03:12] <Hobbsee> or close to none
[03:13] <Hobbsee> therefore, gnome doesnt really fit that requirement
[03:13] <seb128> right
[03:13] <seb128> I like to not have to spend hours to get something usable
[03:13] <seb128> there is choice for everybody ;)
[03:13] <Hobbsee> as in, i want to be able to switch the grey to a nicer silver, because i hate the old grey look.  i can go to uni and look at the buildings.
[03:13] <Hobbsee> without it crashing
[03:13] <Hobbsee> i want to actually be able to use any protocol which i choose, in konqueror, and konq handle it.
[03:14] <Hobbsee> and not fall over
[03:14] <Hobbsee> i want to actually be able to find things in the one application, rather than having things spread over 2 menus
[03:14] <Hobbsee> i want to have easy access to a terminal, which gnome seems to lack.
[03:15] <Hobbsee> er, s/konq/whichever file manager i'm using/
[03:15] <Hobbsee> seb128: those kind of things drive me insane :)
[03:15] <Hobbsee> seb128: i want to be able to pick my screensaver
[03:16] <Hobbsee> for ops, i want to have a different notification, via sound, as to whether it's a call for ops, or a general ping for me.
[03:16] <Hobbsee> all of the above you can do in kde - but not gnome.
[03:17] <davmor2> I'm still having issues with Ubuntu and 1 inch title bars with my intel laptop.  http://www.davmor2.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/Screenshot.png  For a visual idea.
[03:17] <seb128> Hobbsee: half of that is "I know KDE but not GNOME"
[03:17] <davmor2> bug 127677
[03:17] <seb128> Hobbsee: like you can assign a shortcut to open gnome-terminal
[03:17] <Hobbsee> seb128: this is true, yes.  and if i could find these things easily in gnome...
[03:17] <seb128> and it's in the applications menu
[03:18] <Hobbsee> seb128: yes, xterm seems to be.  i thought you guys still installed gterm, or whatever it was
[03:18] <seb128> gnome-terminal is
[03:18] <Hobbsee> i can never find it in my menus
[03:18] <seb128> applications, accessories, terminal
[03:18] <Hobbsee> oh, hmm.
[03:18] <seb128> you are not trying hard it looks like
[03:19] <seb128> because there is not so many items in those menus
[03:19] <seb128> anyway we have choice that's good for anybody ;)
[03:19] <Hobbsee> let me have a look....
[03:19] <Hobbsee> seb128: honestly, i'm not trolling here - this is the stuff that i keep not being able to find each time i try gnome.
[03:20] <seb128> well, the KDE menu is not any simpler than that
[03:20] <seb128> that's only a menu, categories and items
[03:20] <Hobbsee> yeah, system and utilities is being a bit of a pain in that regard
[03:20] <Hobbsee> seb128: also, there's no katapult
[03:20] <Hobbsee> i need my katapult to function.
[03:20] <seb128> what is katapult?
[03:21] <Hobbsee> oh you poor gnome type.
[03:21] <seb128> something to throw heavy objects ? ;)
[03:21] <Hobbsee> seb128: have you heard of quicksilver for OSX?
[03:21] <seb128> no
[03:21] <jeromeg> Hobbsee: try deskbar or gnome-launch-box
[03:21] <davmor2> Hobbsee see the orange magnifying glass click on it and type in terminal :)
[03:21] <seb128> alt-F3 for deskbar
[03:21] <jeromeg> Hobbsee: they are different but also efficient
[03:22] <mono> Hi! Does anyone has the same bug i have (See screenshot)? http://valik.wordpress.com/files/2007/08/desktop.png It's highly annoying! everytime i boot my pc with a cd in the cd-rom. Just dont know how describe it, but the screenshot says it all!
[03:22] <Hobbsee> jeromeg: they complete the appname, presumably?
[03:23] <jeromeg> Hobbsee: yep
[03:23] <Hobbsee> seb128: basically, it opens any app with a .desktop file, any file in your home dir - or elsewhere, if you specify the path, any tune that you have in your amarok calculation, any firefox or konq bookmark, and is also a simple calculator.
[03:23] <Hobbsee> (and autocompletes all of it)
[03:23] <Hobbsee> jeromeg: what about the web bookmarks?
[03:23] <jeromeg> Hobbsee: deskbar can do that
[03:23] <seb128> Hobbsee: looks like deskbar (alt-F3 or icon on the panel)
[03:24] <jeromeg> Hobbsee: amarok integration will be hard although
[03:24] <jjesse> in fact i love katapult so much that in windows i use launchy (similir product)
[03:24] <Hobbsee> jeromeg: or $musicplayerofchoice
[03:24] <Hobbsee> jjesse: ooh....
[03:24] <seb128> Hobbsee: it can do web bookmark, indexer, devhelp, dictionnaries, etc
[03:25] <Hobbsee> jjesse: i keep trying alt+space in windows, and getting annoyed when it doesnt work.  because i can *really* find nothing on the menus then :P
[03:25] <Hobbsee> seb128: neat.....
[03:25] <jjesse> Hobbsee: use launchy
[03:25] <jjesse> same alt+space
[03:25] <seb128> Hobbsee: I think you just didn't bother to try to find GNOME equivalents, which is fine, you don't need to switch
[03:25] <davmor2> Hobbsee: It'll even do web searches and wikipedia
[03:25] <Hobbsee> seb128: oh, impressive!  i believe this is tribe...3, but it's still good
[03:25] <Hobbsee> seb128: yeah, the last time i properly tried gnome was around feisty release
[03:26] <Hobbsee> oh, hmmm
[03:26] <Hobbsee> the about ubuntu page in yelp (i think) is page not found.
[03:27] <Hobbsee> seb128: i'm afraid that the gnome crashes made me not want to stick with gnome for long periods of time
[03:28] <Hobbsee> the theme switcher one, in particular, which would make everything else crash
[03:28] <Hobbsee> (yes, it's reported.  unsure if it's fixed)
[03:28] <seb128> let's stop there
[03:29] <seb128> give some proper testing to next tribe if you want
[03:29] <seb128> and let me know if you still have that many issues
[03:29] <Hobbsee> ok
[03:29] <seb128> there is not some many crashes actually or you are really not lucky ;)
[03:29] <Hobbsee> hmm, if i can rsync at the uni...
[03:29] <Hobbsee> seb128: i think i just keep trying the things that crash, tbh
[03:29] <Hobbsee> or i get the crashes on startup, etc.
[03:29] <Hobbsee> when i've done *nothing*
[03:29] <Hobbsee> it goes "ooh, look, it's hobbsee, let's crash!"
[03:30] <w00t> that sounds like a sensible attitude for software to take :P
[03:30] <seb128> maybe as a KDE user you try clicking on things GNOME users let untouched usually because it just works ;)
[03:30] <Hobbsee> seb128: i refuse to believe that no gnome user changes the theme.
[03:31] <seb128> right, weirdly enough it doesn't crash for me or the other users apparently ;)
[03:31] <Hobbsee> like i say, it may have been fixed.
[03:31] <w00t> what's crashing anyway?
[03:31] <Hobbsee> i should have saved that VM, i could have checked now
[03:41] <huats> norsetto: I've read that the idea is to provide 2 icons : one XPM in 32x32 and one PNG in 48x48. Do I put the 2 icons in the same dir after installation (/usr/share/pixmaps/) ?
[03:42] <norsetto> huats: did you read that in the freedesktop.org specification?
[03:42] <huats> here : https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Packages/DesktopFiles
[03:42] <huats> just want ot be sure... that is what is written, but I'd like a confirmation...
[03:47] <elmargol> bug #406446
[03:47] <norsetto> huats: where did you find the icons?
[03:48] <huats> I've been searching on the forum of the upstream
[03:48] <huats> some has done some...
[03:48] <huats> in GPL
[03:48] <huats> I mean someone has done some
[03:51] <norsetto> huats: OK, and they are licensed with GPL? what size and format are they? Can you check if they are included in the upstream tarball?
[03:51] <huats> ok
[03:51] <huats> they under GPL
[03:51] <huats> I  have resized/convert to get one png of 48
[03:51] <huats> and one xpm of 32
[03:52] <huats> they are not in the upstream
[03:52] <huats> I've already  checked
[03:52] <huats> so I've put them aside the .desktop file in the debian/
[03:53] <norsetto> huats: usually we only need one icon, preferably 48x48 (as specified by the freedesktop.org specification)
[03:54] <huats> ok
[03:54] <norsetto> huats: it would be better if this is png, but since this is a binary format it would require some care
[03:54] <huats> it is png
[03:54] <norsetto> huats: and the original format?
[03:55] <huats> png
[03:55] <huats> the original was a png in 48x48
[03:55] <huats> so it is the original :-)
[03:56] <sourcercito> hi there
[03:57] <norsetto> huats: then I think it would be better just to convert it to xpm and add it directly into /debian
[03:57] <sourcercito> i'm wanna start to work on bug #106664
[03:57] <norsetto> huats: since its your first package I would make it simple
[03:57] <pedro_> sourcercito: go ahead ! :-) , any thoughts about it ?
[03:58] <norsetto> huats: since the icon is licensed with GPL, remember that you have to add it to your copyright file too
[03:58] <sourcercito> sure, i reading the description of the bug (screensaver show to much info about user), i think it should only shows the username, because just i need to know who's logged in
[03:59] <pedro_> just the username without the full name and host name?
[03:59] <sourcercito> exactly
[03:59] <sourcercito> i was just typing this
[03:59] <sourcercito> :D
[03:59] <pedro_> haha, k cool, do you think it's a upstream or ubuntu one?
[04:00] <sourcercito> let me check in  my debian installation to answer that
[04:01] <huats> norsetto: ok
[04:02] <huats> norsetto: do I have to change the maintener filed in the control ? Changing it to "Ubuntu MOTU Developers <ubuntu-motu@lists.ubuntu.com>" by instance and adding a XSBC-Original-Maintainer  ? (I've seen something like that in another control file)
[04:04] <norsetto> huts: if it is not like that already, yes. here is the reference: DebianMaintainerField - Ubuntu Wiki
[04:04] <norsetto> huts: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebianMaintainerField
[04:04] <sourcercito> looks like upstream bug, doesn't seem to be any related patch in the debian package from gutsy
[04:05] <Pici> Question.  If a dev requests information on a bug and the user responds, should the bug still be left as incomplete?
[04:05] <pedro_> sourcercito: cool , do you have a bugzilla.gnome.org account ?
[04:06] <sourcercito> also same behavior under debian
[04:06] <sourcercito> up
[04:06] <sourcercito> yup
[04:06] <pedro_> sourcercito: first thing is to search there is there's some bug reported about it
[04:06] <seb128> huats: what do you want to change?
[04:06] <sourcercito> ok
[04:06] <sourcercito> thanks
[04:06] <sourcercito> :P
[04:06] <pedro_> sourcercito: http://bugzilla.gnome.org/browse.cgi?product=gnome-screensaver
[04:06] <sourcercito> ok
[04:08] <huats> seb128: right now the Maintener field of the flightgear package point to Ove Kaaven, and since I am fixing a bug I was asking if I also have to change the Maintener field to reflect MOTU and adding a XSBC-Original-Maintener
[04:09] <seb128> huats: do you add a desktop file in a distribution specific way?
[04:10] <huats> seb128: I am modifying it since there is already one
[04:10] <seb128> k
[04:14] <huats> norsetto: when you mean adding it to the copyright, a single mention like "Desktop icon author : ...." is enough
[04:15] <huats> ?
[04:16] <norsetto> huats: you have to add - The author(s) name  - The year(s) of the copyright  - The used license(s)  - The URL to the upstream source
[04:17] <norsetto> huts: and the at least this: The icon icon_name.xpm is (C) year, NAME <@email.address> and  is licensed under the GPL, see above.
[04:18] <huats> ok ok
[04:18] <huats> norsetto: thanks
[04:24] <norsetto> huats: I think you are working on the wrong version
[04:24] <huats> really ?
[04:25] <norsetto> huts: no, its just old, it has an ubuntu versioning but the maintainer field is indeed unchanged
[04:26] <huats> in fact, edgy, feisty and gutsy have the same version...
[04:26] <norsetto> huats: you are making it for gutsy I hope?
[04:27] <huats> norsetto: I hope too :-)
[04:28] <huats> norsetto: I will build it using a pbuilder env of gutsy
[04:28] <norsetto> huats: did you specify gutsy as distribution in the changelog?
[04:28] <huats> I am writing the changelog right now (using dch)
[04:31] <alex-weej> anyone else noticed that Human falls back on "Tangerine,Tango,GNOME", but Tangerine falls back on "GNOME" -- as a result, lots of Human icons have started resolving to GNOME icons rather than to Tango icons
[04:32] <Pici> Whats the process if a dev asks for information on a bug, the user adds information and the bug sits untouched and still incomplete?
[04:33] <Pici> Fyi, I'm not talking about one of my bugs
[04:33] <alex-weej> Pici: can you change the status to New?
[04:33] <iwj> Pici: Which bug are you talking about ?
[04:33] <alex-weej> if the information has been provided, then change it to New
[04:33] <Pici> alex-weej: Will do, thanks :)
[04:33] <Pici> iwj: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/update-notifier/+bug/126775
[04:35] <iwj> Pici: Mm, yes, setting it to New was right.
[04:36] <huats> norsetto: to build the package once everything is done, I should do that with debuild, right ?
[04:36] <sourcercito> ok, i finish with #106664, i send it to gnome bugzilla
[04:37] <sourcercito> if anyone could verify if it's ok, that would be great
[04:37] <pedro_> sourcercito: if you can share your comments about it in the report would be nice :-)
[04:37] <ogra> did anyone ping Seveas ? seems ubotu died a while ago and seems to not come back
[04:38] <sourcercito> ok
[04:38] <sourcercito> thanks
[04:39] <Pici> ogra: The ubuntu-ops know :)
[04:40] <norsetto> huats: yes, you could also use dpkg-buildpackage directly (see man debuild to check why debuild is better)
[04:42] <pedro_> sourcercito: looks good, thanks you!
[04:42] <sourcercito> nonono thanks you :D
[04:43] <pedro_> sourcercito: wanna work in some other ? ;-)
[04:43] <sourcercito> sure
[04:44] <pedro_> sourcercito: may you want to update your bug in the bug day list?
[04:44] <sourcercito> i already did it
[04:44] <pedro_> cool then ;-)
[04:45] <pedro_> ok if you are having some question in the other bug you want to work just let us know
[04:45] <sourcercito> ok, thanks
[04:48] <huats> norsetto: I cannot build it right now, cause I haven't yet the pbuilder set, and I cannot create it right now (@work...). I'll continue tonight. anyway thanks so far...
[04:49] <norsetto> huats: just attach the patch you have so at least I can give it a first look
[04:50] <huats> don't you prefer a debdiff instead ?
[04:50] <norsetto> huats: you can also consider this: https://help.launchpad.net/PPAQuickStart
[04:51] <norsetto> huats: yes, patch = debdiff
[04:51] <FFForever> what is the best way a newb like me can help out gnome (this is the room for the gnome bug fixing day right?)
[04:53] <huats> norsetto PPA seems very interesting... I'll try that way I think
[04:53] <pedro_> FFForever:  take a look to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBugDay
[04:53] <norsetto> FFForever: take a look at this https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBugDay/20070822
[04:53] <sourcercito> if i set a bug as incomplete from the list of bug day, i still must mark as it's worked by me?
[04:54] <pedro_> sourcercito: yes please
[04:54] <pedro_> sourcercito: did you try to reproduce it ?
[04:54] <sourcercito> ok
[04:54] <FFForever> how do i upgrade my gnome to the latest (i need to right?)
[04:55] <sourcercito> there's no info to reproduce it
[04:55] <sourcercito> that's why i want to set is as incomplete
[04:55] <pedro_> sourcercito:  ok go ahead then, thanks you
[04:56] <pedro_> FFForever: you can set your sources.list to use gutsy instead of feisty or you can help us to test the tribes cd  images you can get one from here : http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/
[04:57] <FFForever> if i download this tribe cd will apt just keep me up to date or do i need to redownload the tribe cd each time there is a new one?
[04:58] <Hobbsee> pedro_: the daily images are dodgy atm.
[04:59] <pedro_> FFForever: you can get a tribe 4 for now and then upgrade it, tribe 5 iso is out tomorrow
[05:01] <FFForever> well its going to take a long time ill be back when its done :)
[05:02] <Hobbsee> really, doing bugwork would have been more useful.
[05:02] <Hobbsee> oh well
[05:03] <ogra> burgwork ?
[05:07] <huats> norsetto: to show you the patch, do I attach it to the bug ?
[05:08] <norsetto> huats: yes, and then I will leave my comments in the bug report
[05:12] <lousygarua> Hello, a little advise on #88692. the guy found some command to fix the bug he had after installation, does this mean the bug is fixed or that some team in ubuntu should fix this so the bug won't be there by default on gusty (so users won't need a manual fix like this guy)
[05:13] <jeromeg> lousygarua: it's not fixed yet, it's just a workaround
[05:15] <lousygarua> jeromeg: so i just leave the status 'new'  until it can be confirmed by another triager?
[05:15] <sourcercito> norsetto, are you working on #131312?
[05:16] <bdmurray> lousygarua: you could also tag it as needs-devrelease-testing
[05:16] <jeromeg> lousygarua: give me a link to this bug please
[05:16] <bdmurray> As it would be good to have it tested in Feisty by someone
[05:16] <davmor2> bug 106876 closed fixed released :)
[05:16] <jeromeg> bdmurray: hey, thanks for having extensed my Qa team membership
[05:17] <bdmurray> jeromeg: no problem - thanks again for helping out
[05:17] <jeromeg> bdmurray: np
[05:17] <norsetto> sourcercito: yes, you want to take over?
[05:17] <lousygarua> jeromeg: here it is https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xorg/+bug/88692
[05:17] <sourcercito> no, go ahead, but please mark it in the webpage
[05:18] <sourcercito> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBugDay/20070822
[05:19] <pedro_> heya bdmurray !
[05:19] <bdmurray> hello pedro_!
[05:19] <pedro_> happy hug day ;-)
[05:19] <jeromeg> lousygarua: in this case you can see that the bug has been reported during herd 4 and 5 which are development releases
[05:20] <jeromeg> lousygarua : so the first thing to ask is if it still happens with the final release
[05:22] <lousygarua> jeromeg: oh, ok, thanks. i'll ask the dude. in case it still not fixed on release should i tag is as bdmurray suggested?
[05:22] <jeromeg> lousygarua: yes to see if it still happens in gutsy, you can tag it anyway
[05:22] <bdmurray> jeromeg: I think it still would happen but maybe be improved in Gutsy.
[05:23] <jeromeg> bdmurray: ok
[05:24] <norsetto> huats: I think you attached the wrong file :-)
[05:24] <huats> oh
[05:24] <huats> may be
[05:24] <huats> I'll have a look
[05:28] <huats> norsetto: It is the file I have....
[05:29] <huats> norsetto: but I might have done something wrong...
[05:31] <norsetto> huats: how did you do the debdiff? if you do not redirect the output you will loose it
[05:32] <huats> norsetto: i haven't done a debdiff... it is juste the .diff.gz file that has been created by debuild -S
[05:33] <norsetto> huats: well, you don't usually send that around (as you can see its pretty big)
[05:33] <huats> ok
[05:33] <norsetto> huats: just do a debdiff of the two .dsc (the old and the new)
[05:33] <bdmurray> pedro_: What is the procedure for having bugs in bugzilla.gnome.org closed?
[05:34] <huats> norsetto: ok
[05:34] <bdmurray> Ubuntu bug 104846 is Invalid but the upstream bug is still open.
[05:35] <pedro_> bdmurray: the reported should close it, or someone else with the rights permissions
[05:35] <pedro_> bdmurray: ok let me look at it
[05:35] <linux__alien> i am interested in being part of this team. i am excited too can some one guide me ?
[05:36] <bdmurray> linux__alien: what would you like to do or what are you interested in?
[05:37] <linux__alien> bdmurray, in solving bugs but i ve not done that . I am interested in being part of this team. i would like to start contributing from the smallest extent and grow along with this community and there by help the community
[05:38] <bdmurray> linux__alien: Okay, well the first step would be reading the documentation in the wiki.  Then looking at bugs in a package (piece of software) that you are interested in would be the second one.
[05:39] <linux__alien> and today being the hug day whats so special in this channel . The ubuntu web site also says lot of things
[05:39] <linux__alien> is there something that i can immediately start off ?
[05:39] <linux__alien> :-)
[05:39] <norsetto> huats: btw, I already have some comments so you may want to hold the upload?
[05:39] <huats> ok
[05:40] <huats> norsetto: I am holding
[05:40] <bdmurray> There are so many places to start. :) What software are you interested in or familiar with?  Are you using Gutsy at all?
[05:40] <ScottK> linux__alien: If there are packages that you use regularly that have problems that annoy you, start looking for those kinds of bugs in Launchpad is my advice.
[05:41] <linux__alien> no i am using Feisty Fawn 7.04
[05:41] <linux__alien> bdmurray, i know to code in C and C++ and little bit of python (basic level)
[05:42] <norsetto> huats: in debian/dirs you should add /usr/share/pixmaps (the directory which you use to install the icon)
[05:42] <linux__alien> bdmurray, i ve contributed to small open source projects also
[05:43] <huats> norsetto: ok
[05:43] <norsetto> huats: you should delete the encoding entry in the desktop file (its deprecated)
[05:43] <sourcercito> linux__alien, could you try to reproduce this bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/127375
[05:43] <sourcercito> since you're using feisty
[05:43] <huats> norsetto: done
[05:44] <norsetto> huats: a nice utility for the validation of desktop files is desktop-file-validate (in the desktop-file-utils package)
[05:44] <bdmurray> linux__alien: Any project that have bug reports in Launchpad?
[05:44] <linux__alien> bdmurray, no unfortunately :-(
[05:44] <huats> norsetto: oh I know that, I just forgot to use it... Thanks !
[05:45] <norsetto> huats: version should be 1.0 (its the version of the spec not of the executable)
[05:46] <linux__alien> sourcercito, sure i ll try to reproduce it
[05:46] <norsetto> huats: did you see my two comments above (encoding and version)?
[05:46] <sourcercito> linux__alien, thanks
[05:46] <huats> norsetto: the version in the .desktop ?  because I haven't changed it....
[05:46] <linux__alien> i should close the XChat also :-)
[05:46] <linux__alien> for reproducing it
[05:46] <sourcercito> nah
[05:46] <sourcercito> try another workspace
[05:47] <sourcercito> and open a couple of applications
[05:47] <norsetto> huats: yes, but its wrong, so you should change it
[05:47] <huats> norsetto: yep, I've seen the 2 comments,dirs and encoding ,and they are modified
[05:47] <huats> norsetto: no pb it is done
[05:47] <norsetto> huats: in rules you install debian/flightgear.png not debian/flightgear.xpm
[05:48] <huats> norsetto: arg, that was the first draft.... sorry
[05:49] <linux__alien> sourcercito, i opened couple of applications and closed it using the mouse and then i tried pressing Alt+ F1 and the gnome menu got invoked. I didnt have to click on the mouse for the desktop to gain focus . Am i right?
[05:49] <norsetto> huats: I think it is also better to remove the final / in $(CURDIR)/debian/flightgear/usr/share/pixmaps/
[05:49] <huats> norsetto: ok
[05:50] <sourcercito> linux_alien that's ok
[05:50] <norsetto> huats: see, the previous packager used mkdir -p for /usr/share/applications, which is silly since you have debian/dirs; can you change that?
[05:50] <sourcercito> do you have a launchpad account, so you can comment the bug with your experience
[05:50] <sourcercito> ???
[05:50] <linux__alien> sourcercito, i tried closing the applications this time by pressing Alt + F4 and still when i did Alt + F1 after i closed it i was able to invoke the gnome menu
[05:51] <linux__alien> sourcercito, yes i do have a launchpad account
[05:51] <sourcercito> linux_alien do you have focus on desktop after close all the aplications?, could you move between the desktop entries without having to click on the desktop?
[05:52] <linux__alien> desktop entries in the sense?
[05:52] <sourcercito> hm, do you have any icon in the desktop?
[05:53] <linux__alien> i do have focus on the desktop after i close couple of windows. i tried closing the windows using the mouse as well as using Alt + F4 and both times i was able to access the gnome menu using Alt + F1
[05:53] <sourcercito> let's say a folder, disk icon, anything?
[05:53] <linux__alien> yes i do have icons
[05:53] <linux__alien> on the desktop
[05:53] <linux__alien> yes
[05:53] <linux__alien> i ve those icons
[05:53] <sourcercito> ok, can you access them when you close all applications, without having to click on the desktop
[05:53] <linux__alien> Ah let me check that
[05:54] <linux__alien> good point to check
[05:54] <sourcercito> just using your keyboard, with your arrow keys
[05:54] <linux__alien> :-)
[05:54] <bdmurray> dholbach: I've ran across a couple of bug reports that are invalid in Ubuntu and New upstream but without a bug watch.  Do you think it would be safe to close the upstream task?
[05:54] <norsetto> huats: remember to add these changes to changelog
[05:54] <dholbach> bdmurray: yeah, I should think so
[05:55] <bdmurray> dholbach: okay, at a mininum they'll stop showing up in some queries
[05:55] <linux__alien> sourcercito, yes very much i am able to use the access the icons using the keyboard and even pressed enter key by selecting one icon using the keyboard
[05:55] <huats> norsetto: I will. As I have added usr/share/applications in debian/dirs I can simply remove the mkdir from the debian/rules right ?
[05:55] <norsetto> huats: indeed
[05:56] <sourcercito> linux_alien, can you please comment your experience in this bug report
[05:56] <huats> norsetto: ok thanks
[05:56] <norsetto> huats: can you also check if the watch file is still ok?
[05:58] <bdmurray> pedro_: gnome bug 362858 might be ready for closing
[05:58] <mawx> sourcecito: same for me. Only time i have no focus is directly after logging in.
[05:58] <pedro_> bdmurray: k marked as incomplete
[05:59] <sourcercito> mawx ok, could you comment also please
[05:59] <mawx> sourcercito: sure
[05:59] <pedro_> done
[05:59] <sourcercito> thanks
[05:59] <huats> norsetto: I will
[06:00] <linux__alien> sourcercito, yes done
[06:01] <linux__alien> sourcercito, added my comment just have a look whether it looks fine
[06:01] <linux__alien> :-)
[06:01] <norsetto> huats: finally, read this: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2007-May/000298.html
[06:01] <sourcercito> thanks :D
[06:01] <norsetto> huats: if you add that to the changelog the bug will be closed automatically at package release
[06:02] <huats> norsetto: ok
[06:02] <pedro_> sourcercito: don't forget do add your name in the wiki page ;-)
[06:03] <sourcercito> ok
[06:03] <linux__alien> sourcercito, what next :-)
[06:03] <sourcercito> linux_alien, look at this page https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBugDay/20070822
[06:04] <sourcercito> if you find any bug that you're interested on, go ahead and try to reproduce it
[06:06] <linux__alien> sourcercito, but the web page says that i ve to reproduce it using Gusty Gibson but i am running 7.04
[06:06] <norsetto> huats: actually, you don't say in copyright from where you downloaded the icon?
[06:06] <huats> norsetto: so i just have to had an entry to the changelog saying : * Fixes LP: #133600 at that will close it, that is great...
[06:07] <norsetto> huats: yes, but usually you say something like * add icon (LP: #133600); you don't add an additional entry
[06:07] <sourcercito> linux_alien you're right, but you can still check if the behavior is found under feisty, just like the bug you just comment, which was reported in feisty
[06:08] <huats> norsetto: I am naming the author, but it is true that I am not giving the url , I should ?
[06:08] <norsetto> huats: oh yes
[06:09] <norsetto> huats: btw, don't look at that copyright as an example of a good copyright ... it isn't
[06:10] <linux__alien> sourcercito, if there is a bug in Gnome and if i want to fix it i ve to download gnome and build it right ?
[06:10] <norsetto> huats: a new package with that copyright would be rejected nowadays
[06:10] <huats> oh
[06:11] <Hobbsee> norsetto: which package?
[06:11] <huats> norsetto: because I have been looking at it :-(
[06:11] <norsetto> huats: a good reference to be used for the future: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2006/03/msg00023.html
[06:11] <norsetto> Hobbsee: flightgear
[06:12] <bdmurray> dholbach: is bug 123623 a good bitesize or packaging error bug?
[06:12] <Hobbsee> norsetto: that's direct from debian, isnt it?
[06:12] <Hobbsee> hmm, seems not
[06:12] <pedro_> sourcercito: depends what you want to fix , "Gnome" is the whole desktop it means a bunch of applications together
[06:12] <sourcercito> linux__alien, here's another bug involving feisty https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBugDay/20070822
[06:12] <pedro_> ohuch
[06:12] <norsetto> Hobbsee: yep, last change was a .desktop file from us
[06:12] <pedro_> that wasnt for you
[06:12] <sourcercito> pedro_ i think this was for linux_alien :D
[06:12] <norsetto> Hobbsee: its a pretty old package
[06:12] <pedro_> linux__alien: depends what you want to fix , "Gnome" is the whole desktop it means a bunch of applications together
[06:13] <Hobbsee> i could have sworn i requested a sync for that, yeah
[06:13] <sourcercito> s/this/that
[06:13] <pedro_> linux__alien: what do you want to fix?
[06:13] <linux__alien> sourcercito, could you please tell me the Bug ID?
[06:13] <dholbach> bug 123623
[06:13] <dholbach> where's ubugtu?
[06:13] <Hobbsee> dholbach: no ubotu
[06:13] <pedro_> where's ubuto
[06:13] <Hobbsee> dholbach: ubugtu's long dead.
[06:13] <pedro_> ah that name
[06:13] <dholbach> *whine*
[06:13] <sourcercito> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-panel/+bug/98567
[06:13] <pedro_> :-(
[06:13] <Hobbsee> dholbach: no ubotu for you.
[06:13] <Hobbsee> dholbach: NOT YOURS.
[06:14] <dholbach> oh well...
[06:14] <linux__alien> pedro_, a crash in Gnome Control Center
[06:15] <norsetto> Hobbsee: you did indeed: 2006-07-30 :-)
[06:15] <dholbach> bdmurray: I'm not sure it's an easy one
[06:15] <Hobbsee> norsetto: yay, my memory isnt on crack then.
[06:15] <pedro_> linux__alien: do you have the bug number or its just a crash you're having right now?
[06:16] <bdmurray> dholbach: okay, thanks for checking
[06:21] <huats> norsetto: regarding the licence, in the actual copyright it is mentionniong GPL, withouth taking care of the v2... Do I write the same ?
[06:21] <linux__alien> pedro_, i saw it in the bug list
[06:23] <pedro_> linux__alien: what's the number?
[06:25] <linux__alien> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-control-center/+bug/127892
[06:26] <pedro_> linux__alien: are you getting that crash?
[06:27] <bdmurray> seb128: I'm confused about bug 126974 regarding eog
[06:27] <linux__alien> pedro_, no infact i dont know how to even reproduce it :-) but  just  got curious to know it
[06:28] <sourcercito> bdmurray, could you do me a favor please
[06:28] <norsetto> huats: I think the less we touch that copyright the better it is .....
[06:29] <norsetto> huats: in any case, what is the GPL the author used?
[06:29] <huats> I'll hav a look at the tar ball....
[06:29] <norsetto> huats: the icon one I mean
[06:31] <huats> norsetto: GPL v2
[06:31] <huats> norsetto: for the icon
[06:32] <pedro_> linux__alien: well would be nice if you can reproduce it first, for trying to fix it
[06:32] <norsetto> huats: ok, use that then
[06:32] <huats> ok
[06:32] <pedro_> linux__alien: and yeah in that case you might download the gnome-control-center package from the gnome svn and hack on it
[06:33] <linux__alien> pedro_, but i want to know how to reproduce it i dont know whether thats mentioned there .
[06:34] <pedro_> linux__alien: sadly there's no info about it...
[06:36] <linux__alien> in this case what do i do :-)
[06:38] <pedro_> well if it works for you, nothing for now
[06:38] <linux__alien> :-)
[06:38] <pedro_> any other bug on your list?
[06:38] <pedro_> the ones without a package are fun
[06:40] <huats> norsetto: I've just uploaded the new version
[06:40] <sourcercito> linux__alien, can you try this one https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-panel/+bug/98567
[06:45] <huats> norsetto: arrg
[06:45] <linux__alien> sourcercito, is there an option to lock the gnome panel as a whole you have option to lock every single item separately right?
[06:45] <sourcercito> linux__alien, actually i don't know :P
[06:45] <huats> norsetto: I've just seen an error, in the rules (a missing / on the installation of the .desktop)
[06:45] <huats> norsetto: so I am uploading again....
[06:46] <norsetto> huats: I think you still have a problem with the debdiff too
[06:47] <linux__alien> is it possible for me to be a part of some team here ?
[06:47] <norsetto> huats: we don't need the changes in .guess and .sub
[06:48] <linux__alien> is it possible for some one to take me in as part of the team ? :-)
[06:49] <huats> norsetto: I am making the debdiff between the 2 .dsc....
[06:50] <norsetto> huats: yes, but since you have updated config.{guess,sub) files the changes appears in the debdiff
[06:50] <huats> norsetto: so am I uploading it anyway ?
[06:51] <norsetto> huats: this should be taken care of by the clean target, in this case just delete it manually from the debdiff
[06:52] <norsetto> huats: it is a good rule to always check your .diff.gz and debdiff to see that only what YOU wanted in is in...
[07:07] <norsetto> huats: you may want to look at these lintian warnings too:W: flightgear source: debian-rules-sets-DH_COMPAT line 9
[07:07] <norsetto> W: flightgear source: debian-rules-ignores-make-clean-error line 41
[07:07] <norsetto> W: flightgear source: debian-rules-ignores-make-clean-error line 42
[07:07] <norsetto> W: flightgear source: dh_testversion-is-deprecated
[07:07] <norsetto> W: flightgear source: package-uses-deprecated-debhelper-compat-version 3
[07:07] <norsetto> W: flightgear source: ancient-standards-version 3.5.5 (current is 3.7.2)
[07:09] <huats> norsetto: I haven't seen that
[07:09] <huats> norsetto: what have you done to get that messages ?
[07:10] <norsetto> huats: did you use debuild?
[07:10] <huats> norsetto: yep
[07:10] <norsetto> huats: can you scroll back to when you used it?
[07:10] <ubotu> New bug: #133997 in nautilus (main) "templades doesn't work, because of the new system of path translation" [Low,Incomplete]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/133997
[07:10] <ubotu> New bug: #133998 in firefox (main) "firefox crashed" [Medium,Incomplete]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/133998
[07:11] <huats> norsetto: it should be related to the pbuilder that is not set yet
[07:11] <norsetto> huats: btw, they are not problems due to your patch, just to the fact that the package is old
[07:11] <ubotu> New bug: #133999 in recordmydesktop (universe) "Please sync with Debian" [Undecided,Incomplete]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/133999
[07:11] <ubotu> New bug: #134000 in update-manager (main) "dist-upgrader should run dpkg --configure --pending" [Medium,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/134000
[07:11] <huats> norsetto: I just used debuild -S to create the .dsc
[07:12] <huats> norsetto: I think I'll get that once I'll be able to use debuild
[07:12] <norsetto> huats: no, pbuilder is not involved, its debuild that is using by default lintian, so you get these messages during package build
[07:12] <ubotu> New bug: #133205 in gnome-terminal (main) "Change Standard System UTF the GNOME-Terminal" [Undecided,Invalid]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/133205
[07:12] <ubotu> New bug: #134002 in firefox (main) "firefox crashed" [Medium,Incomplete]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/134002
[07:12] <ubotu> New bug: #134003 in Ubuntu "keyboard leds state not loading after changing tty" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/134003
[07:12] <ubotu> New bug: #134004 in nautilus (main) "Cut - Move to trash - Paste" [Low,Triaged]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/134004
[07:12] <ubotu> New bug: #134005 in mrxvt (universe) "problems in ncurses app rendering" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/134005
[07:12] <huats> norsetto: I cannot build the package since I do not have yet the correct env (that is why I need pbuilder)
[07:13] <ubotu> New bug: #134006 in libgnomeui (main) "Rotated JPG-images are not displayed properly rotated in the nautilus thumbnails (dup-of: 129836)" [Low,Invalid]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/134006
[07:13] <ubotu> New bug: #134007 in knetworkconf (main) "setting domain name does not work with network-manager" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/134007
[07:13] <ubotu> New bug: #134008 in ubiquity (main) "kubuntu install failure" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/134008
[07:13] <norsetto> yes, its source package build, not binary (you need pbuilder for the latter)
[07:14] <ubotu> New bug: #134009 in bzr-svn (universe) "bzr crashed with SIGSEGV in svn_auth_set_parameter()" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/134009
[07:14] <ubotu> New bug: #134010 in dbus (main) "dbus-send man page inaccurate about supported types" [Wishlist,Triaged]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/134010
[07:14] <huats> norsetto: and for source package I won't get that messages right ?
[07:14] <norsetto> huats: yes, you do
[07:14] <huats> norsetto: will I get that messages using PPA ?
[07:15] <huats> norsetto: so it might be because I am running feisty....
[07:15] <ubotu> New bug: #134013 in Ubuntu "remote desktop bad remote screen visualization" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/134013
[07:15] <ubotu> New bug: #134015 in alps-full1 (multiverse) "Please sync alps-full1 (multiverse) from Debian unstable (non-free)" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/134015
[07:15] <norsetto> huats: that could be it
[07:16] <norsetto> huats: try with a "lintian flightgear_0.9.10-2ubuntu2.dsc"
[07:16] <ubotu> New bug: #134019 in restricted-manager (restricted) "show rationale as tooltip" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/134019
[07:16] <ubotu> New bug: #134020 in Ubuntu "package manager reports error" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/134020
[07:16] <ubotu> New bug: #134021 in xt (universe) "xtraceroute is trying to use /usr/sbin/traceroute" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/134021
[07:17] <huats> norsetto: the same messages that you mention....
[07:17] <ubotu> New bug: #134022 in Ubuntu "AbiSpreadsheet not available still" [Wishlist,Invalid]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/134022
[07:17] <ubotu> New bug: #134024 in cdcat (universe) "Please sync cdcat (universe) from Debian unstable (main)" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/134024
[07:17] <norsetto> huats: ok, than you just missed them the first time, no problem
[07:17] <huats> norsetto: sorry....
[07:18] <huats> norsetto: appar from that, does it seems ok ?
[07:18] <norsetto> huats: its not your fault at all, its just an old package
[07:18] <huats> norsetto: but I'll try to fix them right ?
[07:18] <ubotu> New bug: #134023 in Ubuntu "kbib (dup-of: 134026)" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/134023
[07:18] <ubotu> New bug: #134025 in debian-installer (main) "Cannot install ubuntu with alternate image : kernel is missing" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/134025
[07:18] <ubotu> New bug: #134027 in Ubuntu "[gutsy]  gdm slow low resolution can't reconfigure xserver-xorg" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/134027
[07:18] <norsetto> huats: I'm building right now
[07:18] <bdmurray> pedro_: I was trying to reproduce bug 126788 and not having any luck but looking at the change log it doesn't look like it was fixed.  Do you have any ideas?
[07:19] <huats> norsetto: ok
[07:19] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 126788 in file-roller "file-roller crashed with SIGSEGV in g_closure_invoke()" [Medium,Triaged]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/126788
[07:19] <norsetto> huats: from the glance I've given it, I would change the way you have written changelog
[07:19] <huats> norsetto: I am wainting the responnse to become a beta tester in the PPA...
[07:19] <huats> norsetto: ok
[07:19] <norsetto> huats: and in copyright ubuntu-motu should not be quoted as debian maintainers :-)
[07:20] <huats> norsetto: just in the maintener field ?
[07:20] <pedro_> bdmurray: let me see if i can reproduce it
[07:20] <ubotu> New bug: #134030 in openoffice.org2 (main) "Romanian  and  diactitics are not recognized by the standard Romanian dictionary" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/134030
[07:20] <ubotu> New bug: #134031 in usplash (main) "progress bar at boot stop during checkdisk AND checkdisk run at boot even we are in "laptop-mode"" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/134031
[07:20] <ubotu> New bug: #134032 in xsane (main) "xsane not scan" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/134032
[07:20] <huats> norsetto: ok so who is the debian maintainer ?
[07:20] <norsetto> huats: if you want to add that, ubuntu-motu are the ubuntu maintainers
[07:21] <huats> norsetto: ok
[07:21] <norsetto> huats: we can find that out, but its not up to our package to quote that
[07:21] <ubotu> New bug: #134033 in sun-java6 (multiverse) "java6-doc " [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/134033
[07:21] <ubotu> New bug: #134034 in Ubuntu "WPA doesn't work" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/134034
[07:21] <ubotu> New bug: #134035 in qt4-x11 (main) "qt4-dev-tools should depend on qt4-doc otherwise the assistant do not work" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/134035
[07:21] <huats> norsetto:  ok
[07:22] <norsetto> huats: did you check btw that the tarball is released with a gpl-2?
[07:22] <ubotu> New bug: #134036 in kdepim (main) "Kontact doesn't start after the latest upgrade (dup-of: 133857)" [Undecided,Triaged]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/134036
[07:22] <ubotu> New bug: #134037 in hsffig (universe) "Package too old, please drop it" [Wishlist,Triaged]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/134037
[07:22] <ubotu> New bug: #134038 in Ubuntu "wiki doesn t show the correct time" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/134038
[07:22] <ubotu> New bug: #134039 in Ubuntu "bluetooth mouse does not work anymore" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/134039
[07:23] <norsetto> huats: I'm actually unsure about changing the copyright so radically, we will see what the sponsor will say about it
[07:23] <ubotu> New bug: #134041 in sound-juicer (main) "Sound-Juicer to issue system sound" [Wishlist,Triaged]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/134041
[07:23] <ubotu> New bug: #134042 in Ubuntu "K3b crashed when erase CD-RW tab was opened and while injecting a blank CD into CDRW" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/134042
[07:23] <ubotu> New bug: #134043 in linux-meta (main) "Kernel fails to boot on EFI and Xeon Xserve" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/134043
[07:23] <ubotu> New bug: #134044 in Ubuntu "no gdm screen when switching from a virtual terminal" [Undecided,Invalid]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/134044
[07:23] <ubotu> New bug: #134045 in Ubuntu "ice1712 soundcard (M-Audio Delta AudioPhile 2496) playback rate locked to 8000Hz by default" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/134045
[07:24] <huats> norsetto: there is a GPL v2 in the COPYING
[07:24] <norsetto> huats: ok
[07:25] <ubotu> New bug: #134047 in update-notifier (main) "icons look bad with a bigger panel" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/134047
[07:25] <ubotu> New bug: #134048 in obconf (universe) "Please sync obconf (universe) from Debian unstable (main)" [Wishlist,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/134048
[07:26] <norsetto> huats: the fsf address in copyright is the old one
[07:27] <ubotu> New bug: #134050 in Ubuntu "updates don't install" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/134050
[07:27] <ubotu> New bug: #134051 in Ubuntu "Does not resume when lock_on_blank_screen set to false" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/134051
[07:27] <ubotu> New bug: #134053 in kdebluetooth (main) "package libkbluetooth0 None [modified: /var/lib/dpkg/info/libkbluetooth0.list]  failed to install/upgrade: trying to overwrite `/usr/lib/libkbluetooth.so.0.0.0', which is also in package kdebluetooth" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/134053
[07:27] <huats> norsetto: so ?
[07:27] <ubotu> New bug: #134054 in restricted-manager (restricted) "crash when started (right after an update from Feisty to Gutsy)" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/134054
[07:27] <norsetto> huats: the new one is:  Free Software Foundation, Inc., 51 Franklin St, Fifth Floor, Boston, MA 02110-1301, USA.
[07:27] <huats> norsetto: ok
[07:28] <ubotu> New bug: #133694 in guml (universe) "guml crashed with OSError in list()" [Medium,Fix committed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/133694
[07:28] <ubotu> New bug: #134055 in nautilus (main) "metadata tile from tracker should be integrated" [Wishlist,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/134055
[07:28] <ubotu> New bug: #134056 in distributed-net (multiverse) "[Gutsy]  Distributed.net client (dnetc) crashes with exception" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/134056
[07:29] <norsetto> huats: in any case, looks good. I will post a new changelog for you to consider, and then you can subscribe the sponsors. Good work!
[07:29] <gggggig> will this lib be in gutsy ? http://libopenraw.freedesktop.org/wiki/Exempi
[07:29] <pedro_> bdmurray: i'm getting a crash if right click in the archive and extract to
[07:29] <pedro_> bdmurray: but no if i do it from the command line
[07:29] <ubotu> New bug: #134060 in tangerine-icon-theme (main) "Tangerine inherits "gnome"; should inherit "Tango" first" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/134060
[07:29] <ubotu> New bug: #134081 in gtk+2.0 (main) "Documentation has broken cross-referencing" [Undecided,Incomplete]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/134081
[07:29] <pedro_> bdmurray: did you check that?
[07:29] <ubotu> New bug: #134082 in network-manager (main) "[gutsy] [fiesty]  network-mannager should restart samba if ip-address is changed." [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/134082
[07:29] <ubotu> New bug: #134083 in update-manager (main) "[ubuntu gutsy] updates don't install" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/134083
[07:29] <ubotu> New bug: #134085 in ocaml (main) "ocaml-mode does not handle emacs22 flavor" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/134085
[07:29] <huats> norsetto: ok thanks... couldn't have done it that way without your mentoring....
[07:29] <bdmurray> pedro_: yes, both.  and you have rar support removed?
[07:30] <pedro_> yep
[07:30] <bdmurray> There is another bug about extract-here not working that I saw yesterday
[07:30] <pedro_> rar and unrar
[07:30] <ubotu> New bug: #134068 in Ubuntu "[needs-packaging]  libapache2-mod-bwshare" [Undecided,Fix committed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/134068
[07:30] <ubotu> New bug: #134086 in liferea (main) "Liferea crashes during "Update All Feeds" and deleting a folder" [Medium,Incomplete]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/134086
[07:30] <bdmurray> weird
[07:31] <pedro_> is someone else running gutsy around?
[07:31] <ubotu> New bug: #134080 in samba (main) "Navigating directories for DFS shares buggy" [Undecided,Incomplete]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/134080
[07:31] <ubotu> New bug: #134087 in ubiquity (main) "Please add UTF-8 support to all removable devices" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/134087
[07:31] <ubotu> New bug: #134088 in linux-ubuntu-modules-2.6.22 (main) "2.6.22-10-generic dumps core (but continues boot) with iwl4965 drivers" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/134088
[07:31] <ubotu> New bug: #134089 in Ubuntu "no screen output on startup" [Undecided,Incomplete]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/134089
[07:31] <pedro_> guys ?
[07:31] <bdmurray> I just get a brief message about archive type not supported.
[07:31] <pedro_> aham i was doing the same
[07:32] <bdmurray> pedro_: hmm?
[07:32] <ubotu> New bug: #134072 in Ubuntu "Kontact crashes after update (Gutsy) (dup-of: 133857)" [Undecided,Triaged]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/134072
[07:32] <pedro_> bdmurray: you get that if you double click the archive?
[07:32] <ubotu> New bug: #134091 in Ubuntu "needs-packaging for cairo-dock" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/134091
[07:32] <ubotu> New bug: #134092 in Ubuntu "APIC error on CPU0: 40(40) with linux-image-2.6.20-16-generic on P4" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/134092
[07:32] <ubotu> New bug: #134095 in lasso (universe) "please update lasso packages to v2.1.1" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/134095
[07:32] <pedro_> in that case i get the message too
[07:33] <pedro_> but, if i right click on the archive and select the "extract here" option then it crashed
[07:33] <pedro_> brb i'm out for lunch
[07:35] <ubotu> New bug: #134094 in udev (main) "Persistent naming of devices incremenents eth# name after every reboot." [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/134094
[07:36] <huats> norsetto: once again, thanks a lot. Got to go.
[07:40] <norsetto> huats: thanks to you, a+
[07:40] <ubotu> New bug: #134097 in restricted-manager (restricted) "restricted manager crashes in gutsy tribe 4" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/134097
[07:44] <seb128> bdmurray: what about it?
[07:45] <bdmurray> seb128: I'm confused about what state it should be in.  It got reopened upstream but not in Launchpad.
[07:59] <bdmurray> pedro_: it seems to have been a misunderstanding between me and apport. ;)
[08:00] <ubotu> New bug: #134098 in openoffice.org (main) "openoffice.org 1:2.3.0~oog680m1-1ubuntu3 hangs on "Navigator" dialog" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/134098
[08:01] <seb128> bdmurray: there is no upstream task on this bug
[08:02] <seb128> bdmurray: ah, upstream was closed and I ran into it some days ago so I've reopened
[08:02] <bdmurray> seb128: I was looking at bugs reported in gnomes bugzilla that mention launchpad bugs and that is how I found it and thought there was a relationship.
[08:03] <bdmurray> seb128: But on closer inspection you said they were similar not the same, right?
[08:03] <seb128> bdmurray: I've reopened and added an upstream task
[08:04] <seb128> bdmurray: I got a crash with the same backtrace some days ago
[08:04] <bdmurray> seb128: okay, thanks
[08:05] <seb128> you're welcome
[08:07] <bdmurray> seb128: I think I saw a file-roller bug about not being able to extract-here yesterday.  Does that sound familiar to you?
[08:10] <bdmurray> Hrm, maybe it was a nautilus bug
[08:11] <ubotu> New bug: #134100 in update-manager (main) "[Gutsy]  update-manager fail to upgrade" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/134100
[08:15] <bdmurray> Well, I found it.  It was bug 128957 and the stacktrace is different from 126788
[08:15] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 128957 in file-roller "file-roller crashed with SIGSEGV in fr_window_archive_extract_here()" [Medium,Triaged]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/128957
[08:16] <ubotu> New bug: #134101 in update-manager (main) "[Gutsy]  update-manager fail to upgrade" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/134101
[08:16] <ubotu> New bug: #134104 in Ubuntu "Some Programs have to be resized a bit to function" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/134104
[08:20] <ubotu> New bug: #134105 in gnome-panel (main) "stock ticker doesn't work" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/134105
[08:20] <ubotu> New bug: #134106 in Ubuntu "ampache" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/134106
[08:25] <ubotu> New bug: #134107 in Ubuntu "DS9 Astro-Image Viewer Freezes" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/134107
[08:25] <ubotu> New bug: #134108 in kdebluetooth (main) "package libkbluetooth0 None [modified: /var/lib/dpkg/info/libkbluetooth0.list]  failed to install/upgrade: trying to overwrite `/usr/lib/libkbluetooth.so.0.0.0', which is also in package kdebluetooth" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/134108
[08:30] <ubotu> New bug: #134109 in nss-mdns (main) "Possible compatibility issue in newer AMD64 versions" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/134109
[08:30] <ubotu> New bug: #134110 in Ubuntu "Shutdown, Log off, Restart etc... dialog box does not fade the background" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/134110
[08:36] <ubotu> New bug: #134111 in eclipse (universe) "eclise 3.2.2 plugin class missing" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/134111
[08:36] <seb128> bdmurray: what error does it write?
[08:41] <ubotu> New bug: #134112 in openoffice.org (main) "added Xb-Npp-xxx tags accordingly to "firefox distro add-on suport" spec" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/134112
[08:55] <bdmurray> seb128: what error does what write?
[08:56] <seb128> "<bdmurray> seb128: I think I saw a file-roller bug about not being able to extract-here yesterday.  Does that sound familiar to you?"
[08:56] <seb128> "not being able"
[08:56] <seb128> does it display some kind of error messagE?
[08:56] <seb128> or just does nothing?
[08:57] <seb128> we have several bugs that could match the description
[08:57] <seb128> extraction not working with ntfs-3g
[08:57] <seb128> extraction of a file creating a subdir when it should not
[09:00] <bdmurray> seb128: I was thinking of bug 128957
[09:00] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 128957 in file-roller "file-roller crashed with SIGSEGV in fr_window_archive_extract_here()" [Medium,Triaged]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/128957
[09:00] <ubotu> New bug: #134114 in xine-plugin (universe) "added Xb-Npp-xxx tags accordingly to "firefox distro add-on suport" spec" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/134114
[09:00] <bdmurray> And it doesn't seem related to the other bug report I was looking at
[09:00] <seb128> ah ok
[09:01] <bdmurray> seb128: I was trying to reproduce bug 132480 and reported bug 134099 but the stack traces seem quite different to me.  Do you agree?
[09:01] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 132480 in file-roller "file-roller crashed with SIGSEGV in strlen()" [Medium,Triaged]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/132480
[09:01] <ubotu> Bug 134099 on http://launchpad.net/bugs/134099 is private
[09:02] <seb128> yes
[09:03] <bdmurray> That is too bad.
[09:04] <seb128> why?
[09:04] <seb128> a new good backtrace to send upstream ;)
[09:04] <bdmurray> I was just trying to get a better test case, not create a new bug report.
[09:05] <ubotu> New bug: #134115 in qt4-x11 (main) "Does libqt4-core have to depend on fontconfig" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/134115
[09:10] <ubotu> New bug: #134099 in file-roller (main) "file-roller crashed with SIGSEGV in strlen()" [Medium,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/134099
[09:10] <ubotu> New bug: #134116 in flashplugin-nonfree "Konqueror is frozen browsing some pages as youtube" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/134116
[09:20] <ubotu> New bug: #127212 in ekiga (main) "ekiga crashed with SIGSEGV" [Medium,Incomplete]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/127212
[09:32] <edujose> hi all
[09:35] <bdmurray> hello edujose
[09:37] <edujose> bdmurray: hello there
[09:39] <edujose> things are quiet now, lots of bug squashing?
[09:40] <ubotu> New bug: #134120 in banshee (universe) "crash when clearing large number of files from the library" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/134120
[09:45] <edujose> hm, I've found a bug in nautilus that's similar to other 2 in bugzilla
[09:46] <edujose> specifically bugs 458638 and 460524, "crash in open folder"
[09:46] <edujose> though mine just freezes nautilus, not crashes it
[09:47] <bdmurray> edujose: How long have you waited?
[09:48] <edujose> bdmurray: not much, I was trying to find if it was nautilus or file-roller
[09:50] <edujose> bdmurray: with a bit of browsing in between, slashdot and the like :-)
[09:54] <bdmurray> edujose: what release are you running?
[09:55] <edujose> bdmurray: ubuntu gutsy, tribe 4
[09:56] <ubotu> New bug: #134123 in Ubuntu "MT6227 USB to Serial fails to create /dev/ttyACM0" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/134123
[09:56] <bdmurray> edujose: Do you have better steps to reproduce the bug than the gnome reports?
[09:56] <edujose> bdmurray: ah, yes, those bugs don't give much details, sorry
[09:57] <edujose> bdmurray: it goes like this
[09:57] <edujose> bdmurray: I decompress a .tar.gz file contaning some images
[09:58] <edujose> bdmurray: from nautilus, using right mouse button on the file and selecting "uncompress here"
[09:59] <edujose> bdmurray: things go ok, a folder is created (the .tar.gz has it inside) but when double-clicking it
[10:00] <edujose> bdmurray: nautilus freezes (though I can see the folder content's with a terminal)
[10:01] <CatastrophicToad> I'm trying to get Firestarter to run at startup.  I edited sudoers and added sudo firestarter --start-hidden to sessions, but it doesn't start...
[10:02] <edujose> (brb, going to open the door)
[10:02] <CatastrophicToad> If I try to run "sudo firestarter" it gives me "Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server" and will not start
[10:03] <CatastrophicToad> If I run "xhost localhost" first, it will run
[10:03] <wousser> is it reasonable to ask the user if he can still reproduce the reported bug if the bug is more than a year old?
[10:05] <CatastrophicToad> but when I run "xhost localhost|sudo firestarter --start-hidden" it says "xhost: bad hostname "firestarter"
[10:06] <CatastrophicToad> does anybody know how I can format a startup script in Sessions to first run "xhost localhost" and then run "sudo firestarter --start-hidden"?
[10:06] <ubotu> New bug: #134124 in gcalctool (main) "Spelling on main display Gradians should be Gradients " [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/134124
[10:09] <bdmurray> CatastrophicToad: this isn't the right channel for that but try replacing your | with a ;
[10:15] <ubotu> New bug: #134125 in Ubuntu "[gutsy]  microphone doesn't work after kernel and kernel-modules update" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/134125
[10:19] <edujose> (back here)
[10:23] <edujose> wousser: hi wousser
[10:23] <wousser> hi
[10:23] <edujose> wousser: if the bug is old but still exists in newer versions of the software
[10:24] <wousser> should i ask the reporter or only if i can reproduce it myself
[10:24] <edujose> wousser: then it may be reasonable to ask if it can be reproduced (I'm not an expert though)
[10:25] <wousser> ow oke i thought you were because of edu in your name
[10:25] <edujose> wousser: oh, no problem
[10:26] <edujose> wousser: edu is the diminutive of eduardo (edward) in spanish
[10:27] <wousser> ah oke
[10:27] <edujose> wousser: I just suppose it's oke if someone can reproduce it, bug author or oneself
[10:28] <edujose> wousser: which bug is it, btw?
[10:29] <wousser> wait a sec
[10:30] <edujose> bdmurray: by the way, the hang when entering a folder in nautilus only happens
[10:30] <huats> norsetto: I had your email
[10:30] <edujose> bdmurray: with a folder just created when unarchiving something, other are ok
[10:30] <edujose> wousser: ok
[10:30] <huats> norsetto: I'll try to fix the various linthian warning
[10:31] <norsetto> huats: good
[10:31] <norsetto> huats: let me know if you need help with that
[10:31] <huats> norsetto: ok thnks
[10:36] <ubotu> New bug: #134127 in Ubuntu "xorg.conf 7.10 installation wacom" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/134127
[10:36] <ubotu> New bug: #134128 in gnome-games (main) "King can not move when put in check agaisnt the queen. vice versa." [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/134128
[10:36] <bdmurray> edujose: hrm, I'm unable to recreate that nautilus hang
[10:37] <edujose> bdmurray: ah, I was mistaken, it wasn't a .tar.gz, it's a .tar.bz2
[10:37] <ubotu> New bug: #134126 in Ubuntu "screen resolution, 800x600 only, help me to change resolution" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/134126
[10:37] <edujose> bdmurray: maybe it's just with this particular file
[10:37] <edujose> I've tried with other compressed files (all .tar.gz)
[10:38] <edujose> bdmurray: and entering the folder just created goes ok
[10:39] <edujose> bdmurray: I'll try to google for other .tar.bz2 to see if it happens or not
[10:40] <wousser> edujose: it's just an example bug from the no package list, its about a year old and i was wondering if i should ask if this bug is still present for the reporter, or that i can flag it incomplete/invalid
[10:40] <wousser> edujose: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/65646
[10:40] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 65646 in Ubuntu "Bugs while booting with a CD-ROM in the CD-ROM drive..." [Undecided,New] 
[10:41] <bdmurray> wousser: that bug isn't that helpful but we still shouldn't outright reject it
[10:41] <ubotu> New bug: #134129 in postfix-policyd (universe) "package postfix-policyd 1.80-2.1 failed to install/upgrade: " [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/134129
[10:41] <ubotu> New bug: #134130 in amavisd-new (universe) "package amavisd-new-milter 1:2.4.2-6.1 failed to install/upgrade: " [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/134130
[10:41] <huats> norsetto: I am trying to solve the first pb, which is the call to dh_testversion
[10:42] <huats> norsetto: apparently it is enough to use the build dependencies
[10:42] <bdmurray> I'd check to see if it is still an issue, change the title, ask for the release, mark it incomplete and assign it to myslef.
[10:43] <wousser> bdmurray: is it helpful to ask for more information or is it wise to leave it like that
[10:43] <wousser> bdmurray: because it is nicer to close old bugs, right?
[10:43] <bdmurray> wousser: It would be helpful to find out the release definitely.
[10:44] <huats> norsetto: so from understanding I should check the build-depend of  the debian/control and check for the correct version of debhelper ?
[10:44] <norsetto> this one you mean: debian-rules-sets-DH_COMPAT?
[10:44] <huats> norsetto: I mean the one that creates dh_testversion-is-deprecated
[10:46] <huats> norsetto: in debian/rules there is call to dh_testversion 2 (I think that is the pb)
[10:46] <ubotu> New bug: #134132 in gnome-panel (main) "Restore Bottom Edge Panel in Fiesty 7.04 " [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/134132
[10:46] <ubotu> New bug: #134134 in ubuntu-meta (main) "[gutsy]  no default application for ogg files" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/134134
[10:46] <norsetto> huats: yes, just add debhelper in the Build-depends; it goes together with the bump of the standards version and compat
[10:46] <rbs-tito> Yay, Ubotu is back
[10:46] <norsetto> huats: and delete the call(s) to dh_testversion in debian/rules
[10:47] <huats> norsetto: ok, but debhelper is already in the Build-depends
[10:47] <wousser> bdmurray: i know, and if the reporter still can reproduce the bug, I was wondering if it is necessary to ask because its an old and incomplete bug
[10:47] <pedro_> Fiesty thats new
[10:48] <norsetto> huats: make it versioned to >5 since you will use a compat of 5 and a standard of 3.7.2
[10:48] <huats> norsetto: ok that was my question : how to know which compat version to choose...
[10:50] <wousser> bdmurray: so practically i can ask everyone in this list the same question and so clean that list up? https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bugs?field.searchtext=&orderby=-datecreated&search=Search&field.status%3Alist=New&field.importance%3Alist=Undecided&field.assignee=&field.owner=&field.omit_dupes=on&field.has_patch=&field.has_no_package=on&start=1425 And is that useful?
[10:51] <huats> norsetto: is it better to export DH_COMPAT in debian/rules or to create the debian/compat files ?
[10:51] <ScottK> debian/compat
[10:51] <norsetto> huats: the latest compatibility level is 5; check man debhelper, section  "Debhelper compatibility levels"
[10:51] <ScottK> the export business is deprecated.
[10:51] <huats> ScottK: ok thanks
[10:51] <norsetto> the latter, remove any reference to DH_COMPAT in rules
[10:52] <bdmurray> wousser: I think it is a bit more complicated than that
[10:54] <bdmurray> wousser: But making contact is a good first step and determining if it is still and issue for them or getting more detailed steps to reproduce the bug in the dev release of Ubuntu are both helpful.
[10:54] <wousser> bdmurray: but for the ones like bug 65646 it is useful?
[10:54] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 65646 in Ubuntu "Bugs while booting with a CD-ROM in the CD-ROM drive..." [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/65646
[10:55] <wousser> bdmurray: oke thanks for your answer, ill work on it
[10:55] <bdmurray> wousser: Yes, following up with all the reports would help.
[10:56] <wousser> bdmurray: oke
[10:57] <huats> norsetto: sorry to bother with that, since you gave me the answer : I understand why I should set compat to 5, but why Standard-Version to 3.7.2 ?
[10:57] <norsetto> huats: once you think you are done, check your .dsc with lintian and see if it is still reporting warnings
[10:57] <norsetto> huats: no bother at all
[10:58] <ScottK> Also use lintian's anal retentive cousin linda.
[10:58] <ScottK> And use both on the .deb too.
[10:58] <bdmurray> wousser: It may also be possible to determine that some of those are actually better for answers.launchpad.net
[10:58] <norsetto> huats: here, I wanted to give you the link: http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-controlfields.html#s-f-Standards-Version
[10:59] <norsetto> huats: its a worthy (if weighty) read anyway
[11:00] <huats> norsetto:  I bookmark that
[11:00] <huats> norsetto: and have a look later
[11:03] <huats> norsetto: I have to admit that I dont really understand the 2 final (at least I hope ) warnings about nmu :changelog-should-mention-nmu andsource-nmu-has-incorrect-version-number
[11:04] <wousser> bdmurray: oke, ill look at it
[11:05] <norsetto> huats: yes, they are only valid for debian (non-maintainer-uploads) we don't have those
[11:06] <huats> so do I have to take care ?
[11:06] <norsetto> huats: no, we have to live with those
[11:06] <huats> ok
[11:15] <ubotu> New bug: #134135 in hotkeys (universe) "Volume hotkeys on HP nc6400 don't work anymore since last update (22/08/07)" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/134135
[11:15] <ubotu> New bug: #134136 in rhythmbox (main) "changes to metadata cause deletion of id3-tags (dup-of: 106739)" [Undecided,Invalid]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/134136
[11:15] <ubotu> New bug: #134140 in Ubuntu "problem with update manager" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/134140
[11:20] <huats> norsetto: when you mention to reduce the number of color, do you have an idea how can I do that ? cause I don't know...
[11:20] <norsetto> huats: using the gimp?
[11:20] <huats> norsetto: I already launch it... but I am not a regular user...
[11:21] <norsetto> huats: me neither, but I think there are some filters/tools that should be able to do that
[11:24] <edujose> bdmurray: I have just downloaded from the web the same .tar.bz2 file, opensolaris-backgrounds-0.2.tar.bz2
[11:26] <edujose> bdmurray: if you want to try decompressing it and entering the folder created
[11:26] <edujose> bdmurray: it's at http://dlc.sun.com/osol/jds/downloads/extras/
[11:28] <ubotu> New bug: #134119 in evolution (main) "evolution gpg passphrase input does not receive focus" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/134119
[11:29] <ubotu> New bug: #134137 in Ubuntu "Problems Resuming after Computer was Suspended" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/134137
[11:29] <ubotu> New bug: #134138 in Ubuntu "Ubuntu LAN Network Bandwith Issue" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/134138
[11:29] <huats> norsetto: ok
[11:30] <huats> norsetto: I've done something that reduce the size from 27ko to 2Ko
[11:30] <norsetto> huats: and how is it visually?
[11:30] <huats> norsetto: great I think
[11:31] <ubotu> New bug: #134141 in Ubuntu "fix for scroll wheel in x60 tablet fujitsu p1510 fujitsu p1610" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/134141
[11:31] <ubotu> New bug: #134142 in gnome-control-center (main) "[gutsy]  crash in gnome-appearance-properties" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/134142
[11:31] <norsetto> huats: can you check how many colors there are?
[11:31] <huats> yep
[11:31] <norsetto> huats: in the original 1369
[11:31] <huats> norsetto: I've set 18 I think
[11:32] <norsetto> huats: :-)
[11:32] <huats> norsetto: or something similar, may I could I've set less, but I think it is ok....
[11:32] <norsetto> huats: what did you do? I've got to remember this
[11:32] <huats> oh
[11:33] <huats> norsetto: http://holmwood.id.au/~lindsay/2005/07/14/re-gimp-and-colour-depth/
[11:33] <huats> norsetto: something like that
[11:33] <norsetto> huats: smooth palette I guess
[11:34] <norsetto> huats: makes sense; its just the color depth
[11:35] <huats> norsetto: yep
[11:35] <huats> norsetto: I will upload the new debdiff (without the manpage), but I plan to the man (very basic) it tomorrow...
[11:36] <norsetto> huats: up to you; I don't think anybody will complain, but its a good exercise for you
[11:37] <huats> norsetto: that is how I consider it, I think that it was great to see all this stuffs...
[11:45] <huats> norsetto: Before going to bed (I think I'll upload tomorrow morning), I'd like to have a look at dh_install like you mention
[11:45] <ubotu> New bug: #134144 in Ubuntu "Main menu icons blurred using alternate theme controls" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/134144
[11:46] <huats> norsetto: I should consider using it for all copy ?
[11:46] <norsetto> huats: in this case for installing desktop file and icon
[11:47] <huats> norsetto: ok
[11:47] <norsetto> huats: don't remember anything else in rules, let me check
[11:48] <norsetto> huarts: yep, only those two
[11:48] <huats> norsetto: in the build install there is a lot of cp
[11:48] <norsetto> huarts: yes, they are taken care of by the $(make) in the install target
[11:50] <norsetto> huarts: if you want to check where the files are going once you built your binary package (which is a good check to do), you can do it with a dpkg -c command on the deb
[11:50] <ubotu> New bug: #134145 in gnome-voice-control (universe) "data/Makefile.* not using $(libexecdir) var" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/134145
[11:51] <huats> norsetto: I will, once the PPA will accept my mail :-)
[11:52] <norsetto> huats: well, don't hold your hopes; they are pretty long
[11:53] <norsetto> huats: in any case they are migrating from beta to impelmentation
[11:53] <huats> I am sure they have plenty of demands...
[11:53] <huats> norsetto: ok
[11:56] <edujose> bdmurray: hi, I've just downloaded 2 different .tar.bz2 files and nautilus works ok with them
[11:56] <bdmurray> edujose: that's wild, submitting a bug would be helpful
[11:59] <edujose> bdmurray: yeah, the problem file is http://dlc.sun.com/osol/jds/downloads/extras/opensolaris-backgrounds-0.2.tar.bz2
[12:00] <edujose> bdmurray: should I submit the bug against nautilus in gnome's bugzilla?
[12:00] <norsetto> huats: can you remember me why you do not use pbuilder?
[12:00] <ubotu> New bug: #134147 in Ubuntu "Firefox not starting when trying to open a link from other applications" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/134147
[12:01] <bdmurray> edujose: starting with launchpad until someone else can confirm it is best
[12:03] <bdmurray> edujose: I finally got a chance to test it and it seems fine to me
[12:03] <huats> norsetto: because toda when I start working on that I was at work... and I cannot connect my laptop to the network of my company... so I couldn't setup the pbuilder env.. and tonigh, I was a bit short in time...
[12:04] <edujose> bdmurray: oh!
[12:04] <norsetto> huats: ok, but you can do it tomorrow no?
[12:04] <huats> norsetto: that's all... I've already used it for a previous build quite some time ago...
[12:05] <huats> norsetto: in fact I was planning to install a gutsy @work on a spare computer... dont you think it is better ?
[12:05] <edujose> bdmurray: using nautilus 2.19.90??
[12:05] <norsetto> huats: you ask the wrong person, I'm on it since tribe 1 :-)
[12:05] <ubotu> New bug: #134146 in linux-source-2.6.22 (main) "Realtek 861 sound broken on kernel 2.6.22-10.30" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/134146
[12:05] <huats> :)
[12:06] <huats> norsetto:  on the other it would be so much simpler to also have pbuilder on my laptop that I carry everywhere...
[12:07] <huats> norsetto: I might do both...
[12:07] <huats> norsetto: sorry got to go... talk to you tomorrow...
[12:07] <norsetto> huats: I have gutsy and feisty, and on both I have pbuilder (I think on the feisty one I still have the edgy stuff too)
[12:08] <norsetto> huats: bonne nuit, a demain.....
[12:08] <huats> :)
[12:09] <bdmurray> edujose: + -0ubuntu1 yes
[12:11] <ubotu> New bug: #134149 in linux-source-2.6.22 (main) "ipw2200 fails to load in 2.6.22-10-386" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/134149
[12:11] <edujose> bdmurray: and you can enter the 'sun' directory that appears after unpacking the file?
[12:12] <bdmurray> edujose: yes, it took a second for the preview images to render but I could enter it successfully