pkernUbuntu has CONFIG_SLUB=y set which breaks fglrx suspend/resume on 2.6.22... With CONFIG_SLAB=y it "works for me"(tm). Just if anyone cares... ;o)12:36
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superm1pkern, out of curiousity what do each of those do, CONFIG_SLUB/SLAB01:15
pkernsuperm1: They are different allocators. SLUB was added in 2.6.22 in addition to the older SLAB.01:17
pkernsuperm1: See lwn.net or kerneltrap for details.01:18
superm1ah, i see01:19
tckhi peeps01:22
tckyou may know better than me01:22
tckbut what is the netbug command ?01:22
tck netbug01:22
tckSend network configuration summary to [ENTER means kuznet@ms2.inr.ac.ru] 01:22
tck ldd /sbin/netbug01:23
tck        not a dynamic executable01:23
tckstrings /sbin/netbug shows it collecting lots of info from /proc01:23
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ion_Seems like it does exactly what it says it does.01:25
ion_Please read the topic.01:25
tckpart of the iproute package i see01:26
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webben_Are there any Ubuntu Forums developers or admins about? I wanted to ask a question about the CAPTCHA?02:01
webben_We really need to provide a way for blind and deafblind users to access the forums.02:01
RAOFwebben_: You probably want #ubuntuforums, right?02:02
webben_ah, yes I probably do ... thanks :)02:02
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calcgar, amd64 failed again02:22
=== calc kicks OOo
=== calc looks to see what caused the failure this time
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calci have a fix now for the amd64 can't build with java disabled issue :\02:39
=== calc hates having to keep hammer the buildds :(
calci need to reinstall amd64 arch on my desktop so i can test on it locally02:40
ajmitcharen't you glad you can upload only source?02:40
calcprobably could build ooo in under an hour on it02:40
calcajmitch: heh saves on my bandwidth yep :)02:40
calcit would take years to upload with this piddly 64KB/s broadband here02:40
kylemeh? i doubt your desktop is that much faster than the buildds.02:40
calcajmitch: the fun part is the java failure on amd64 was known for a while and the person who created the patch never applied it, its sitting in the bts02:41
calckylem: ccache and bypasses the gsi part of the build02:41
calckylem: i can build in under an hour on i38602:41
kylemcheater. ;-)02:41
calcit takes 8hr+ on the buildds02:41
kylemyou know you can testbuild on ronne right?02:42
kylemand do ccache...02:42
kylemfile an rt to get added ot the porter group02:42
calcgetting all the right dependencies installed and sending patches to ronne is a pain since it has no direct network access (or seems like it anyway)02:43
calcthe install part is due to having to submit rt's etc02:43
calci'm going to reinstall my desktop when i have some downtime probably after the tribe5 release02:43
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calccan't do it after tribe5 release after all :\02:44
kylemyou can dput over scp into the dc02:45
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calckylem: got access to kill the i386 ooo build?03:00
kyleminfinity, ^-03:00
calcinfinity: awake still?03:00
=== calc hopes this next upload will be the last for tribe5
calcit fixes the java disable failure case03:01
infinitycalc: Ugh, again?03:01
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calcinfinity: yea this time was due to lazy upstream didn't commit a fix when java is disabled it doesn't actually fully disable and the patch has been sitting around for a while :(03:02
calcnearly 2 weeks in the bts gar03:03
calcthis should allow it to build except for sparc which ICEs03:04
calcinfinity: kill sparc build also please03:04
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infinitycalc: I'll kill them all in a sec.03:12
infinitycalc: Several things on the go at once, won't be a moment.03:12
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calcinfinity: no problem03:20
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infinitycalc: Err, I have no builds to kill.  Looks like they all finished.03:26
infinityexcept for i386, which I missed due to blindness.03:27
infinity(killing now)03:27
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calcinfinity: oh ok03:32
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Hobbseemorning all03:35
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LaserJockhi Hobbsee03:36
bhalehi LaserJock Hobbsee03:36
LaserJocki bhale03:37
ajmitchhello Hobbsee, LaserJock, bhale03:37
bhalehi aj03:37
LaserJockhi mitch ;-)03:38
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calcHobbsee: hi :)03:41
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calcinfinity: can you approve 1ubuntu303:55
Hobbseemorning calc03:55
calcHobbsee: good morning03:56
calcHobbsee: hmm maybe you could do it? do you have access to approve packages during freeze?03:56
Hobbseecalc: heh, no, i'm a mere core dev.03:56
calcHobbsee: oh ok03:56
calcHobbsee: i thought you were a RM as well :)03:56
ajmitch'mere'. heh03:56
Hobbseecalc: i may be on the release team, but i dont have access inside the DC03:56
calcHobbsee: ok03:57
Hobbseecalc: a RM, sure, but not the head one, and i still dont have access to the DC :P03:57
calcHobbsee: oh ok03:57
=== calc prays that it is his last upload for tribe5
=== Hobbsee isnt doing much this tribe release anyway - thought Riddell would find it easier to be doing it on his own
infinitycalc: I'd ask for a diff, but I don't want to know, do I?  I just want to be told that this one will work.03:57
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infinitycalc: So, please, tell me that.03:57
Hobbsee(for his first)03:58
infinityHobbsee: He's had some help here and there. :)03:58
StevenKinfinity: "Please tell me you tested it?" too?03:58
Hobbseeinfinity: oh i realise that :)03:58
infinitycalc: Accepted.  If it doesn't build, I'll expect your head on a platter of some sort.  With cheese and crackers, and maybe a nice pate.03:59
Hobbseecalc: do i want to know if you test built it?04:00
StevenKinfinity: libnss-db!04:00
infinityHobbsee: No one test builds OOo, they just attempt to determine if their patch will fix the last failure through careful code auditing, prayer, and blind guessing.04:01
infinityMostly the latter two, a little less of the former.04:01
calcinfinity: its this04:01
Hobbseeinfinity: so *that's* why it never builds.  man, i can see why we wouldnt want to give him core dev :P04:01
calchub created a patch ~ 11 days ago and never committed it04:01
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calcinfinity: he just put it in bts, heh04:02
ajmitchHobbsee: it'd be funny if you were maintaining OOo04:02
infinitycalc: Dude, WTF?04:02
calcHobbsee: it only fails on non-i386 builds so no :\04:02
Hobbseeajmitch: i'm not insane.04:02
infinitycalc: How did no one catch that and fix it earlier?04:02
calcinfinity: because usually java is enabled for OOo since it disables lots of stuff04:03
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calcinfinity: but current OOo is broken on amd64/powerpc with java enabled04:03
infinityYeah, like the help system, but who needs help?04:03
calcinfinity: at least on Ubuntu :\04:03
calcinfinity: heh, i'm going to rebuild my machine to amd64 asap and try to debug the larger java broken issue but it won't be before tribe504:03
calcinfinity: tribe4 had java disabled for all04:03
calcinfinity: it works on i386 now, but not amd64/powerpc :\04:04
StevenKcalc: Dig up. I don't think you're helping.04:04
Hobbseeyes, but tribe 4 had ooo not even working on kubuntu, so if you're saying that's some form of success....04:04
calcHobbsee: that was a bug/feature in glib/gtk04:04
Hobbseehah.  feature.04:04
calcHobbsee: it broke lots of other apps besides just OOo04:04
Hobbseei'm well aware04:04
calcHobbsee: like konqueror, acroread and several other things i don't recall at the moment (i don't use them)04:04
Amaranthit was people using private gtk+ api when they shouldn't have04:05
calcHobbsee: aiui glib/gtk is doing a proper fix as well04:05
Amaranthi didn't have to use that API to do my fake tooltips04:05
calcAmaranth: that wasn't the issue afaict04:05
HobbseeAmaranth: sure, but you've forgotten the golden rule.  "always blame calc"04:05
calcAmaranth: for OOo it was a call to gdk_screen that caused the hang04:05
AmaranthHobbsee: Good deal.04:05
Amaranthcalc: ...04:05
=== calc looks up the exact call
calcnow it is called like:04:07
calc+    GdkScreen *pScreen = gdk_screen_get_default();04:07
calc+    if (const cairo_font_options_t *pOptions = pScreen ? gdk_screen_get_font_options(pScreen) : 0)04:07
calcto get around the hang04:07
Amaranthso the problem is not having a valid GdkScreen?04:07
Amaranththat just looks like a NULL check04:07
calcAmaranth: apparently in this case yes, not sure if it is the same on the other apps04:08
Amaranthwell, notification-daemon broke around the same time and it was the tooltips issue04:08
calcperhaps they did something that broke it at a lower level that affected both things04:08
Amaranthpygtk too, that was embarrassing04:08
calci was reading a report about gtk init not being thread safe as well which might cause some problems04:09
Amaranthheld up the GNOME 2.19.6 or so release for quite some time04:09
Amaranthnone of it is thread-safe if you don't initiate threads and grab the lock properly04:09
calci might have misunderstood what i was reading in the bug report then04:09
Amaranthi'm kind of jealous there, the java guys replaced the default lock with a reentrant one and just wrap every gtk+ call in their binding so in java you can just use gtk+ in threads with no worries04:10
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=== LaserJock kicks Windows XP, stupid thing won't connect to my wifi
HobbseeLaserJock: do you mean you expected XP to actually *work*?04:16
LaserJockwell, kinda yeah04:17
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=== calc notes if amd64/powerpc still fail he is going to have to reinstall his box sooner rather than later
Hobbseecalc: you assume you'll be alive by that point04:21
StevenKYes. Since infinity is scary.04:22
calci won't die until he sees me at UDS I'm sure ;)04:22
calcmaybe he'll forget by then04:22
Hobbseeunless he comes and hunts you out.04:22
StevenKWhich he might.04:22
calcI live in TX, we are hicks here ;)04:23
calcI'll send Dick Cheney after him ;)04:23
calche's my daddy, lol04:23
StevenK"Sir? Why are trying bring 2 AK-47s into the country?" 'Revenge.' "Ah, fair enough then."04:23
calcisn't TX where everyone and their dog has a weapon?04:23
calcof course all I have easy access to is a balisong not much competition to a AK-4704:24
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calcit seems the libcompress-zlib-perl issue is still on lpia04:38
infinitycalc: Working on it.04:39
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ScottKAK's are really over-rated anyway unless you need something that will work after you crawl through the mud.04:51
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calcScottK: its been raining a lot here lately that might be useful ;)05:00
ScottKI can see that.05:00
ScottKGenerally speaking though, unless you've trained and are good under stress, area effect weapons like shotguns are better.  You only have to be approximately right.05:01
ScottKOr approximately wrong in your Daddy's case.05:01
AmaranthScottK: But the AK-47 gives you 'spray and pray'05:03
ScottKYes and it's stunningly easy to miss everything.05:04
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calcis there some way to make debuild log print the current time at the beginning of each line?05:13
calcso that timing of builds can be more granularly examined?05:13
infinitycalc: A bit vile, but you could do:05:19
infinitydebuild | while read line; do echo "$(date +%H%M%S): $line"; done05:19
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infinityOh, wait, debuild logs by default, doesn't it?05:19
infinityAnyhow, make it spit to stdout (or use dpkd-buildpackage), and the above trick would work fine.05:20
calcinfinity: yea just not with the time05:25
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calcbtw, i am testing a fix for the openoffice.org-l10n issue along with updating it to the latest openoffice.org debian dir06:18
calci'll hopefully have it uploaded in a few hours after i have verified the build06:19
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calcer yea so leave openoffice.org-l10n alone until i reupload it :)06:32
calci'm not going to upload it until i know that it works and that openoffice.org works as well since it uses the same rules file06:32
calcthat should be in less than 7hr06:33
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ScottKGive the rest of us a chance to use the buildd's for a while.06:35
calcScottK: yea and that too :)06:35
StevenKHeh. calc isn't so good at sharing.06:35
calcScottK: l10n will only build on i386 so your mostly safe on that06:35
ScottKWell that's one I've been waiting on.06:35
calcits been building locally for about 2hr now so it should be done in another 3-4 i think06:36
calcthen i'll wait until amd64/powerpc pass on oo.o before uploading to make sure there isn't any other issues06:36
calcif there is i will beat myself :\06:37
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ScottKMurphy doesn't hate you.  Murphy is just Murphy.06:38
ScottKYou're the one that took the OOO maintainer job.06:38
ScottKWho hates you ?06:38
calcso oo.o should be done around 11am UTC06:38
calcScottK: hehe, apparently I do as well ;)06:38
ajmitchScottK: probably the liquor cabinet ;)06:38
calchmm yea i have some alcohol should have been drinking that06:39
calcmaybe it would help me keep from screwing up uploads06:39
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ScottKAt the very least it would help with the caring.06:40
ajmitchit could produce some interesting changelog entries06:41
=== calc looked at sparc prices and decided it was a bit steep to have his own buildd at home
StevenKcalc: Don't buy a new one, you berk.06:41
ajmitchsurely ebay has a few06:41
calceven ebay was high for recent boxen06:41
calcin the 2-3K range for low end stuff06:41
calclike ultra 2506:41
calcan ultra 10 is cheap but it would take years to build on that06:42
calci used to run Debian with KDE on one back ~ 200006:42
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calciirc its roughly equal in speed to a celeron 40006:43
ScottKI know what you mean.  I've build kdepim on a PIII 700 w/ 256 MB of RAM and that was bad enough.06:44
calcyuck, yea06:45
calci think the slowest box i compiled KDE on back when i maintained it was an athlon 1800 w/512MB06:45
calci just let the buildds build it for sparc06:45
calcand i learned about using ccache with KDE, heh06:46
ScottKI think I'm off to bed.  Good night everyone.06:46
=== calc is going to bed/nap for a few hours as well
calcgoing to wake to check on the build in a few06:46
ajmitchnight calc06:50
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pittiGood morning07:16
kylemgood morning pitti.07:16
pittihey kylem07:16
StevenKMorning pitti07:17
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ajmitchhey pitti07:20
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=== elkbuntu hugs all GNOME hackers :)
calcpitti: good morning07:53
=== calc can't sleep
calci mistakenly drank a large coke tonight at dinner ~ 7hr ago after having not drank any coke for a week or two07:54
calcnow i'm wired :\07:54
pittihey calc07:54
calcpitti: oh btw i have a couple MIRs if you get bored ;)07:55
pitticalc: are they necessary for tribe5?07:55
calcthey can wait until after tribe5 though due to the freeze07:55
calcnah not needed for t507:55
pitticalc: so no new OOo for t5?07:56
calcpitti: ones building right now07:56
pitticalc: I'll still try to process them this week07:56
calcpitti: if it works i'll be uploading another ooo-l10n as well07:56
calcpitti: but if they can be processed in time for t6 i'll use them for the t6 ooo upload07:57
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StevenKpitti: Should -9- be NBS'd out, or do we need to wait for -meta uploads and the like?08:00
pittiStevenK: kernel is pretty screwed ATM, nothing to NBS yet08:00
pittiStevenK: we are on it08:00
calcpitti: oh btw kubuntu shouldn't need the ooo -gtk/-gnome deps once the ooo build finishes08:00
StevenKFair enough, I can visually grep -v it out of the list. :-)08:00
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StevenKpitti: The only thing that can be NBS'd out is libopenbabel1.08:01
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dholbachgood morning08:16
LaserJockhi dholbach08:17
dholbachhey LaserJock08:17
dholbachhow are you doing?08:18
LaserJockdoing ok08:18
LaserJockreally busy, but that's normal08:18
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kagouhi pitti08:30
pittihey kagou08:31
kagoupitti, could you have a look at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GutsyGibbon/Tribe508:31
pittikagou: in a bit08:32
kagoupitti, i'v added a section for printing but as my english is poor, i will appreciate that you review it08:32
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Hobbseepitti: kagou i'll check the english, i fyou want08:32
pittikagou: my English is far from perfect either, but I'll review it, and maybe add some things to it, too; thanks for the initial text!08:33
kagouHobbsee and pitti , nice thanks :)08:33
Hobbseepitti: OK, you go first, then i'll review *both* of yours08:33
pittiHobbsee: I'll ping you08:33
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pittikagou: do you mind if I make it a little less technical and more user-oriented?08:42
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pittiHobbsee, kagou: page updated08:54
pitti(the printing section only)08:55
kagoupitti, no problem. I just want to let the world ;) know the great improvement of printing under Gutsy :) Thanks08:56
pittikagou: indeed, that was on my list to mention for the tribe, too08:57
pittigutsy rocks! :)08:57
kagouYes :)08:57
pittijust some more fiddling with the AppArmor profile08:57
LaserJockugg, my printing got all screwed up with Gutsy08:57
LaserJockhopefully it's worked out now, I hope08:57
kylempitti, do we have anything liek this? http://www.redhatmagazine.com/2007/08/21/a-step-by-step-guide-to-building-a-new-selinux-policy-module/08:57
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dholbachhttp://daniel.holba.ch/sponsoring/ now has colors09:07
pittikylem: not in GUI form, but aa-genprof is really useful09:07
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mdkedholbach: I guess gnome-user-docs will have to wait until after tribe now right?09:14
dholbachmdke: sorry - I looked a bit into it yesterday, tried to find an optimal way to get it built and all that but got busy with other stuff09:14
dholbachmdke: I'll look into it today again and see that we find a nice way to get that done, so it will be easier for you to ask me or others to upload that package09:15
mdkedholbach: cool; what needs to be done to get it built? Isn't the existing build system ok?09:15
dholbachthere are files that need to get automatically generated to make it buildable09:16
dholbachas I said: I'll think of something clever09:16
mdkedholbach: as a result of our changes?09:16
dholbachwhat's in SVN is only the raw files that are being changed09:16
dholbach./autogen.sh && make dist       will roll a buildable tarball from that09:17
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mdkedholbach: oh09:17
dholbachi've not yet decided on how to represent your changes to that, how to roll the tarball, or to do a native package, etc09:17
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mdkedholbach: so the tarballs as released are different to the svn snapshot?09:18
mdkeif so, it sounds like we should be working from the tarballs and importing them to bzr rather than from the svn snapshot09:19
dholbachmdke: svn export <...>/trunk; cd trunk; ./autogen.sh && make dist        will be called  gnome-user-docs-2.18.2.tar.gz  too, but in fact it will rather be something like  gnome-user-docs_2.18.2+svn20070822.orig.tar.gz09:19
dholbachmdke: does that make sense?09:19
pittiseb128: hey hey09:20
dholbachthat'd be more manual work for you09:20
dholbachhey seb12809:20
seb128hello pitti dholbach09:20
dholbachmdke: I think that finding a clever automatic way is what we want09:20
pittiseb128: is it deliberate that the deskbar applet now opens a separate window, instead of one attached to the icon?09:20
seb128pitti: yes09:20
Hobbseepitti: pinching wikilock09:20
mdkedholbach: ok, if you think so, then I'll follow you! Are there other packages that do it the same way?09:20
seb128pitti: they redesigned the UI as a SoC09:21
dholbachmdke: can't think of any atm - I'll look into it later today09:21
pittiseb128: a pity :/09:22
mdkedholbach: alright, thanks. If importing the gnome releases rather than svn is the Right Thing to do then please tell me so, because I don't mind doing that09:22
dholbachI'll let you know09:22
mdkedholbach: don't want to create work for you09:22
seb128pitti: why?09:22
pittiseb128: dunno, I liked the small window better09:22
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seb128k, you are not the only one looking at bugs09:22
seb128let's see what they do09:22
cjwatsondholbach: while you're on http://daniel.holba.ch/sponsoring/, the only way to tell which list something is on at the moment is to hover over the "list link" - perhaps the whole thing could be split up by list?09:24
dholbachcjwatson: right - good idea - I'll do that later09:24
Hobbseekagou: did you want me to add you as part of the people getting credit for who wrote the page?09:24
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cjwatsondholbach: thanks09:25
Hobbseepitti: </wiki lock>09:26
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pittiHobbsee: thanks09:30
kagouHobbsee, yes. Thanks09:35
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pittiStevenK: it is already; you mean 'anywhere'?09:35
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StevenKpitti: I'm only teasing. :-)09:37
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seb128pitti: do you know why system-config-printer Conflicts with gnome-cups-manager?09:40
pittiseb128: yes, I did that a while ago09:41
pittiseb128: it's nasty and hackish, but somehow we need to avoid two identical printer entries in the menu, and faciliate upgrades09:41
pittiseb128: (and two printer icons in the tray)09:41
norsettois it just me, or #ubuntu-motu is dead?09:41
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norsettois just me.....09:41
StevenKIt's just quiet. Deal.09:41
seb128pitti: shouldn't the update-manager deal with that?09:41
seb128pitti: that looks wrong to me to force users to remove one to try the other one09:42
pittiseb128: u-m should also do it ideally, but doesn't ATM09:42
pittiseb128: right, it's a bit evil09:42
pittiseb128: but as I said you'll get duplicate notifications, icons, etc. when you have both installed09:43
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seb128pitti: right, but Conflicts are not meant to avoid having duplicate icons09:43
seb128that's a packaging system abuse ;)09:43
pittiseb128: I'm fine with removing the C/R again as soon as u-m cares about it09:44
seb128k, will talk to mvo about it then, thanks09:44
pittiseb128: I'll file a bug and milestone it for beta09:44
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pittiseb128: task and comment added to bug 10776609:48
seb128pitti: thanks09:48
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Hobbseepitti: sweden.09:50
Lutininfinity: ping ?09:52
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norsettoany idea when gobby will be moved to main?09:56
LaserJockI think it already has09:57
LaserJockEdubuntu is shipping it so I certainly hope it's in Main ;-)09:57
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norsettoOK, last I have seen here was still marking it as universe: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gobby/09:59
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cjwatsonlast I checked that was intentional10:00
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cjwatsonLaserJock is mistaken, Edubuntu can't ship stuff in universe10:00
Mithrandirit's approved for main, but it needs libxml++2.6 in main first10:00
cjwatsonI'd just found that out10:01
norsettook, reason for asking is that I've got an outstanding merge for it in bug 133689, which is now subscribed to u-u-s for sponsorship10:01
cjwatsonpersonally I think it's messy to support, but we may be stuck with doing so anyway ...10:01
cjwatsongobby is one of those things that's the best of its genre but still terrible10:01
Mithrandircjwatson: more like "least worst" than best, really.10:02
Mithrandiror least bad, probably10:02
cjwatson"least bad" is correct grammar10:03
Mithrandirindeed, I saw that about two seconds after I pressed enter10:03
Mithrandirsadly, multiplayer notepad doesn't have undo.10:03
norsettoso, what should I do with that merge, let it die a natural end, subscribe u-m-s/unsubscribe u-u-s, ask for a freeze exception (it already got an UVFe), bury it under two tons of ground?10:06
cjwatsonit's in universe, u-u-s is fine ...?10:06
cjwatsonit's been on the list for promotion to main at some point for about a year and a half, it may not necessarily happen immediately ;)10:07
HobbseeMithrandir: extend it so it does.10:09
norsettoHobbsee: morning oh mistress of the universe!10:10
Hobbseegreetings, norsetto.  do you want to do my physics assignment for me/10:11
norsettoHobbsee: about what?10:11
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asactalking about main: we need apturl in main as well ...  ubufox depends on it for the new plugin install service.10:13
Hobbseenorsetto: electrostatics.10:13
asacdo i need to do something formally or will this happen semi-automatically?10:13
Mithrandirasac: sounds like something that should not be a depends, but rather a recommends?10:13
norsettoHobbsee: sure ;-)10:14
cjwatsonMithrandir: should be in main anyway10:14
asachmm that would require new code (testing if apturl exists and if not don't show apt results) ... because if apturl is not installed the plugin install will not work10:14
Hobbseebah.  why cant my computer get power over the wireless or something, so as not to require a cord?10:14
Mithrandircjwatson: true dat.10:14
MithrandirHobbsee: it could, but staying close to it would not be advisable in that case.10:14
cjwatsonasac: I asked pitti about that yesterday ...10:14
seb128Hobbsee: because getting power by wireless would probably not be good for you ;)10:14
cjwatsonasac: normally speaking it needs somebody to prod https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuMainInclusionQueue, and then get an authorised person to approve and promote it10:15
pittiasac: there still needs to be a MIR for it10:15
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Hobbseei'll risk it.10:15
Mithrandirseb128: can we make  pkg-config --variable=pyexecdir pygtk-2.0 give out a python 2.5 path?10:15
cjwatsonHobbsee: there are designs for wireless power around ...10:15
asacpitti: do we need MIR for our own development?10:15
pitticjwatson: something else than microwaves or ridiculously strong magnetic fields?10:15
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cjwatsonthey're still kind of in the "article in scientific journal" stage rather than the "product on shelf" stage10:16
cjwatsonpitti: last article I read was safe around humans, at any rate10:16
seb128Mithrandir: that looks like a good idea10:16
pittieven if it's still academic it would be interesting to see a method that doesn't make your watch stick on the emitter, or fries your brain10:16
cjwatsonEM wave resonance10:17
asacpitti: i always understood that MIRs are needed to evaluate if we can provide support for packages ... which should be true for our own development imo.10:18
cjwatsonasac: that's true, and our own development clearly gets a pass over a lot of that stuff, but they're still a useful record of why stuff ended up in main10:18
cjwatson"so, this thing we developed two years ago - what was it for exactly?"10:19
cjwatsonyou'd be surprised sometimes ;)10:19
pitticjwatson: interesting, thanks for the link10:19
asaccjwatson: ok10:19
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norsettoasac: thx for your comment in bug 107093, seems it is really HD related10:22
asacnorsetto: strange thing is that there are others in the bug report that claim the same behaviour ;)10:23
asacnorsetto: please drop that info to the bug ... i will then try to carefully review what is *really* left of those claims :)10:24
norsettoasac: well, maybe its not just that make/model, perhaps its IDE controller related10:24
fabbionedoko_: ping?10:24
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kagouis it possible for a perl hacker to have a look at Bug #130813 apt-mirror is used to save bandwidth for many users/groups/install party10:28
norsettoasac: interesting, on the bug there is another user with the same problem and same IDE controller10:31
doko_fabbione: pong10:33
fabbionedoko_: mind to help me a second with a gcc-4.2 new warning? i don't understand it10:33
fabbionedoko: rg_thread.c:71: warning: the address of resthread_list will always evaluate as true10:33
dokofabbione: taking the address of a variable always results in something != 0x010:34
fabbionedoko: that's from redhat-cluster-suite built on lpia but i can see the same on i386 gcc-4.210:34
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asacnorsetto: so the IDE controller has general issues ... or it just a coincident because its a widely used one? have you tried to connect the same disk to your other controller?10:36
fabbionedoko: ok.. so how should that look?10:36
norsettoasac: can't, the disk I'm using now is sata (being in a RAID actually)10:37
dokofabbione: didn't look at the code, but just remove it?10:37
fabbionedoko: hem.. probably best to look at the code.. you can't remove it.10:38
cjwatsondoesn't seem to me that the warning can easily be removed10:38
norsettoasac: by the way, I haven't got a single freeze since I was using konqueror for the feisty cycle, nor any other application. smart reports all clear10:39
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cjwatsondoko: (it's in a macro that tests its pointer argument; it happens that in this use of the macro the pointer argument given is &something)10:39
fabbionei can ask upstream to change...10:39
fabbioneor better... i can commit a fix upstream.. i just don't know how to fix this10:40
dokolooking ...10:41
cjwatsonI'd use -Wno-address personally ;-)10:41
fabbionecjwatson: eheh10:42
dokoprobably better, the warning looks ok10:42
fabbionedoko: we can fix the code if it's easier10:42
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dokofabbione: either that or suppress the warning, gcc is always right ;)10:43
cjwatson__attribute__(__noreally__) ;-)10:44
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asacpitti: i added apturl MIR to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuMainInclusionQueue10:48
pittiasac: thanks will look at it ASAP10:48
asacpitti: thanks ... its needed on CD10:52
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cjwatsoniwj: if you need any more information on bug 134000, let me know today if possible; I'm holding off installing new packages for a bit to try to preserve state in case you need it11:02
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parankylem: I see that you added irqbalance to UbuntuMainInclusionQueue in may, will that make it into gutsy? I can't find any mailing list threads discussing it11:07
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parankylem: it would be great to have irqbalance in main. it really improves performance, especially when running scientific applications over many cores. I measured about 5% improvment in walltime on dual quad-core machines even without any significant irq load.11:13
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pittiTonio_: ok, obexftp approved and promoted11:39
Tonio_pitti: super11:39
iwjcjwatson: Thanks.  I'll be right with you.11:40
asacTonio_: why did we go to wpasupplicant 0.6.0 (a development version) instead of 0.5.8 (latest stable) ?11:40
asacTonio_: how did you find that 0.6.0 is better in general ... or did it just work better for you?11:40
Tonio_asac: I never worked on wpasupplicant....11:41
wolfeasac: I don't know if you noticed, but it is common to use latest ;)11:42
wolfelook at GNOME in example11:42
asacwolfe: welll we align our schedule with gnome ... so when we release it will be stable11:42
Tonio_asac: where did you find a log with my name in it ? :)11:42
wolfeasac: yeah :)11:42
wolfewhen you release, maybe 0.6.0 will be stbale ;)11:42
asacTonio_: just out of my head ... probably confused you ... sorry.11:42
Tonio_asac: hhe11:43
asacwolfe: the maybe is the problem here11:43
pkernpitti: Did you try to promote Gobby to main?11:43
pittipkern: yes, I did, but I demoted it again due to libxml++2.511:43
pitti2.6 even11:43
asacTonio_: ah it was siretart ...11:44
asacsiretart: how did you find that 0.6.0 is better in general ... or did it just work better for you?11:44
pkernAh so that's the reason. *cough* Now we did a native Avahi port to circumvent the demotion because of Howl...11:44
pkernpitti: Thanks.11:44
pittipkern: it just needs a MIR for libxml++11:44
pittipkern: (or the dependency removed, if that's possible and sensible to do, of course)11:45
pittipkern: yay for native avahi support :)11:45
dholbachcan it use libxml++2.6? that should be in main11:45
pittilibxml++2.6 | 2.18.2-0ubuntu1 | gutsy/universe | source11:45
pittidholbach: that's what it uses11:46
asacsiretart: the question was about wpasupplicant :)11:46
dholbachpitti: ok :-/11:47
pittiit doesn't sound scary, but someone needs to review it for sanity and QA, etc.11:47
iwjcjwatson: I don't need any more information from your system, thanks.11:48
iwjThis is in some sense operating as designed but the behaviour of apt is suboptimal.11:49
iwjI'm going to think about it a bit.11:49
cjwatsoniwj: ok11:50
cjwatsonthanks for the investigation11:50
iwjNo, thank you.11:51
pittiasac: apturl approved11:51
pittiasac: and promoted11:51
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pkernpitti: The requirements for main inclusion don't look too hard. I guess I could review it then.11:54
pittipkern: please just make sure to use the proper template instead of copying&pasting from an existing report11:55
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Riddellpitti: if you're in a main inclusion review mood, could you look at MainInclusionKvKbd?  the build failure iwj had should be fixed now12:06
pittiRiddell: ok12:07
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pittiRiddell: did you test kvkbd for general "it works"?12:11
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pittiRiddell: oh, that thing is still in NEW12:12
pittiRiddell: shouldn't it get at least some testing before we put it into main? or did you build and test it yourself?12:21
pittiRiddell: binary-NEWed now12:21
siretartasac: since I recently changed my hardware (from madwifi to ipw3945) I don't think I can reasonably say which version worked better for me. For my old atheros card, I couldn't find any regressions12:21
asacsiretart: can you check how 0.5.8 works with ipw3945?12:21
asacsiretart: i mean ... it can only get better ;) ... especially how wpasupplicant and nm work together12:21
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siretartasac: network-manager and wpasupplicant and ipw3945 work reasonably well for me, apart from bug #12470612:21
siretart(which I consider RC, but I agree that YMMV, and I don't have the ressources to debug/fix that one)12:21
Riddellpitti: we tested it at UDS and while packaging12:21
Riddelland it does just work for us, heno looked at it briefly too12:22
dholbachcjwatson: hope you like it better now: http://daniel.holba.ch/sponsoring12:22
pittiRiddell: ok, cool12:22
asacsiretart: we have so many issues with ipw3945 that I would really like to try if wpasupplicant plays better with nm12:22
siretartasac: I have seen the bugs, and I think that I'm affected by some of them as well12:22
pittiRiddell: ok, promoted then12:22
Riddellgreat, thanks12:23
asacsiretart: i doubt that it will help as its probably more driver related, but since nm really gets shaky if unexpected things happen maybe it helps to use a stable version12:23
siretartasac: I could even imagine that some of the existing bugs are actually duplicates of bug #12470612:23
asacsiretart: unfortunately i don't have ipw3945 :/ to test.12:23
asacsiretart: might be ... its pretty blurry for me what contributes to the current situation ... but its definitly bad12:24
siretartwe could perhaps provide a test package of 0.5.8 in a ppa12:24
asacsiretart: i have a source package here ... can you give it a shot and if you don't see any regressions we can try a bit more wide-spread testing in ppa?12:25
cjwatsondholbach: MUCH better, thanks!12:25
siretartasac: do you have a list of current ipw3945 bugs? perhaps there is even a tag for them yet?12:25
asacsiretart: i added [ipw3945]  to the title12:26
asacsiretart: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager/?field.searchtext=ipw3945&orderby=-importance&search=Search&field.status%3Alist=New&field.status%3Alist=Incomplete&field.status%3Alist=Confirmed&field.status%3Alist=Triaged&field.status%3Alist=In+Progress&field.status%3Alist=Fix+Committed&field.assignee=&field.bug_reporter=&field.omit_dupes=on&field.has_patch=&field.has_no_package=12:26
asacsiretart: maybe we can even try to upgrade the kernel module to latest upstream release (1.2.2) ... or 1.2.0 (the one we have in feisty)12:28
siretartasac: I think that is more probable to fix some of the issues. I cannot really imagine that an earlier version of wpasupplicant would fix things here12:29
siretartI'm currently on a buisness trip, so I won't be able to look at them before tomorrow :(12:29
asacsiretart: 0.6.0 is development version 0.5.8 is stable12:29
siretartI know12:29
siretartthere is only one upstream developer working on it, and the changes from the two versions aren't too far away12:30
siretartand jouni is a very careful programmer. that's why I have doubt that we gain much by downgrading the package12:30
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asacsiretart: cu12:31
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Mithrandirseb128: also, is there a reason why pygtk doesn't ship gtk/gtk-extrafuncs.defs?  It's included by gtk-base.defs12:55
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seb128Mithrandir: no, that would be a bug01:00
Mithrandirseb128: want a bug about that and the pygtkexecdir bug we discussed?  I'd really like those two things fixed so I can get python-hildon into the archive.01:01
seb128Mithrandir: feel free to open a bug or do an upload to fix those as you prefer01:02
pitticarlos: btw, pkgbinarymangler has always stripped restricted packages (re our discussion about restricted-manager a while ago); don't you get tarballs?01:02
Mithrandirseb128: ok, I'll do the latter, then.01:02
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carlospitti: not yet, I still need to finish some changes on launchpad to stop discarding them...01:03
pitticarlos: right, but AFAICS there's nothing to do on my side, right?01:03
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carlospitti: right01:04
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calc1ubuntu3 fixed the amd64/powerpc java issue :)01:06
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ograis there any drop in replacement for libssl-dev build deps ?01:15
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sorenogra: Well, gnutls has a compatibility layer of some sort, but I doubt it's very good. If it were, everyone would be using it instead of openssl. :)01:22
tkamppeterkagou, ping01:22
sorenOpen wifi in Singapore airport ftw!01:22
ograsoren, well, i'd like to get libflashsupport in but it links against libssl-dev (openssl license) and libpulse-dev (GPL) ...01:24
ograi'll try the gnutls compatibily layer to get it in at all ...01:24
ograsoren, thanks for the hint01:24
sorenogra: Tat's not only a common problem, mbut also seems to be one that doesn't have an easy solution.01:25
sorenogra: Good luck. :) I'd love to hear how it works out for you.01:26
ograwell, looks easy enough ... i'm not even sure ssl is needed at all for that thing to do waht i want (make flash work with pulse)01:26
asacsiretart: the diff -u is 1M ... i won't consider that small :)01:26
asacsiretart: the changes look rather intrusive01:26
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asacsiretart: i don't say that 0.6.0 is buggy ... my only fear is that NM is tuned to work with 0.5.x01:28
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cr3is there any reason why there is no dvd for milestone releases, such as tribe releases for gutsy?01:31
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ogracr3, do you volunteer to test them every three weeks ?01:33
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cr3ogra: how would the milestone dvd be different from the current dvd: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/dvd/current/01:34
ogracr3, lots more to test, more packages and install variants ...01:35
ograbeyond that indeed a lot more bandwith consumption for rsyncs since there is a lot more on them01:35
cr3ogra: to answer your question bluntly, I honestly don't have the time :(01:35
ograits a matter of manpower and time01:35
ograsnap :)01:35
cr3ogra: could you suggest a workaround in order to get an accurate snapshot in time of a milestone release? I could run debmirror on the day of the release, but I'm not sure how accurate that might be01:36
termitor<termitor> hello, rt2x00 freeze , when nm-applet connect01:38
termitor<termitor> Linux proton 2.6.22-9-generic #1 SMP Fri Aug 3 00:50:37 GMT 2007 i686 GNU/Linux01:38
termitor<termitor> who have some info about this , or patch ?01:38
ogracr3, well, the recent build that was tested for a milestone is usually listed at https://iso.qa.stgraber.org/isotesting/01:38
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termitor(sorry for my blabla)01:38
ograif make sure to get a DVD of the same build that should work01:38
termitormaybe https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-ubuntu-modules-2.6.22/+bug/129183 ?01:39
ograbut note that the dailies are usually wiped after thee days01:39
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iwjRiddell: You'll let us know when there are some tribe 5 images to test, right ?02:07
iwjOr if we can help some other way ...02:07
Riddelliwj: yes indeed, but still got openoffice compiling, linux modules and d-i to do02:08
kagoutkamppeter, pong02:08
iwjRiddell: Right.  Just checking I hadn't missed anything.  It's unnaturally quiet ...02:08
iwjSorry to bother you.02:08
siretartasac: hm. i see your point. well, I can of course try to use 0.5.8 of wpasupplicant, but as said, the worst problem I'm facing is bug #124706, which is very unlikely to be dependent on the wpasupplicant release02:09
cjwatsoniwj: the kernel slipped rather late02:11
cjwatsonlittle collection of problems there02:11
asacsiretart: can you please attach a more verbose debug/daemon log do that bug?02:13
asacsiretart: ok out for (extended/appointment) lunch ... cu later02:13
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Kmoscurrent dist not found in meta-release file02:15
Kmoscould not send the dbus Inhibit signal: org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.ServiceUnknown: The name org.gnome.PowerManager was not provided by any .service files02:15
Kmoscurrent dist not found in meta-release file02:15
Kmosthis is normal on update-manager ?02:15
Kmosi run it in console02:15
siretartasac: there are several more verbose logs in the links mentioned in the bug, but if it helps you to have mine, sure!02:16
glatzorKmos: no02:17
Kmosglatzor: you know if there is any bug about that yet ?02:17
glatzorKmos: you are running feisty?02:18
glatzorDo you have uninstalled gnome-power-manager?02:18
Kmosglatzor: gutsy02:19
Kmosno, gnome-power-manager is installed02:19
Kmosi've the latest updates :)02:19
Kmosnow i ru update-manager and it doesn't show that error again.. strange02:20
infinityLutin: Pong?02:21
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kagoutkamppeter_,  pong02:25
\shhmmm...xorg pros...is the ati radeon RV100 (Radeon 7000/VE) meant to work with compiz?02:31
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\shgnarf...xinerama mode doesn't work anymore with a digital port and an analog port using oss radeon driver02:48
ograoss radeon ? do they include sound support now ?02:50
\shon feisty it still worked with this card....gnarf02:54
\shbut looks like that this problem is reproducable..on my t43 laptop with radeon m300 card the analog port doesn't work in xinerama mode, too02:54
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tkamppeterkagou, I have seen your comments on the bug report. Means that scanning for SMB-shared printers works now, but the GUI to select from the results is broken.03:03
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kagoutkamppeter, indeed03:04
tkamppeterkagou, I have observed the same problem: Only the first server has the little triangle and there I can actually select a printer, the following servers have no triangle and I cannot select a printer.03:04
kagouare you sure about the format for the printers dict03:05
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kagoutkamppeter, yyou are right03:05
tkamppeterkagou, I have used the same format as the old function used.03:05
kagoui can select only printer that host have triangle03:06
kagoutkamppeter, others hots without triangle, show printer after double click but can not select thrm03:07
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tkamppeterkagou, then it has exactly the same behavior for you.03:10
kagoutkamppeter, indeed03:12
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kagoutkamppeter, i'v also re-opened Bug 128261 but it's less important (just because printer work)03:15
kagoutkamppeter, but in the same time Bug #128261 show us that parameters are not (may be) well passed to the widget03:23
dholbachmdke: if you merge from   http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~dholbach/gnome-user-docs/fixes  building will be easier. just install bzr-builddeb and run    bzr bd -S --native   and it will build you a shiny source package that even builds -- also it tells you how to best version the thing03:26
dholbach(still pushing the changes up)03:27
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Lutininfinity: could you have a look at the loadlin build please ? I got a 'failed to upload' mail for i386, but it seems to be ok for amd6403:39
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alex-weejseb128: sorry about the confusion with "tasks" vs. "also affects"... maybe i should take this up with the launchpad devs03:45
asacsiretart: well ... would be great to have all needed info in that bug ... e.g. maybe pick the important stuff from the referenced ones03:46
asacsiretart: but i can do it as well03:47
seb128alex-weej: that's ok, the idea is to list the places where the bug needs to be fixed, not every applications where you can notice it03:47
alex-weejseb128: i assume "tasks" was terminology that was in older versions of LP?03:48
seb128alex-weej: like we don't use "also affects" to add every GNOME applications to GTK bugs ;)03:48
alex-weejalso i really want to ensure that the fix goes into gecko, not just specifically into Firefox03:48
seb128alex-weej: right, a bug can have different tasks, still accurate03:48
seb128alex-weej: what do you call "gecko"?03:49
alex-weejyou can fix it in Firefox with dodgy JS extensions that do weird and wonderful things, that would close a firefox task but leave my original bug against ephy out in the cold :<03:49
seb128alex-weej: also affects xulrunner would be correct (if it happens using it)03:49
alex-weejwell, i guess specifically i mean libgtkmozembed03:49
seb128alex-weej: well, if that's shipped in the firefox sources that's still a bug on this package03:49
alex-weejprobably is03:50
alex-weejbut as another case, the problem with font changes not being picked up by gtkmozembed03:50
alex-weejit has to be marked against firefox - and that sucks, i don't really care about firefox. gtkmozembed can have specific code to listen for changes to gtk settings and that closes the bug easily03:51
seb128alex-weej: well, gtkmozembed is firefox code03:51
alex-weejit doesn't fix firefox, but all i am concerned with is epiphany03:51
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seb128alex-weej: right, be the bugs are assigned to the source to fix03:53
seb128alex-weej: if GTK+ has a bug which breaks epiphany the bug is on GTK03:53
alex-weejyeah i know03:54
Hobbseeyou know, it's a darn pain when people are running gutsy, new to linux, because it's the only distro that actually supports their wireless with wpa.03:54
mjg59s/with wpa//03:54
asacsiretart: now reading the references in that bug ... anyway, imo to ask for reasons why we want to use the stable version is not really the right way to look at this ... its the development we have to question here ... so if we don't know any benefit of the new version (e.g. support this and that new hardware) ... i would really vote to not stay on 0.6.0 (unless the wpasupplicant upstream says that it will certainly become stable for gutsy) ... mak03:54
alex-weeji'm just saying that when i file a GNOME integration bug against epiphany, and it gets changed as a bug against firefox, that annoys me because it means that the solution is more complicated, as firefox is not a GNOME application03:54
alex-weejbut if that's the way we do it...03:55
\shbryce, ping radeon dualhead/xinerama setup on gutsy...03:56
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siretartasac: right, thats why we have the 0.6.0 release since early of the beginning of the gutsy cycle. I haven't heared about regressions in that version yet03:58
siretartasac: and from what I understand from you, it is rather a suspicion  which may or may not be true. I'll therefore test on my laptop with the earlier version tomorrow when I'm back home03:59
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infinityLutin: I'll track that down for you in a bit, after I'm back from lunch.  Thanks for the heads-up.04:01
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asacsiretart: as i said above ... my main concern is that nm is tuned for 0.5.x (and not that 0.6.0 itself is buggy) and might get confused by just slightly changed behaviour of wpasupplicant because it relies on the events wpasupplicant emits.04:07
Lutininfinity: thank you04:07
j1mchi all.  xubuntu ISO's contain uninstallable ubufox binaries.  (i'm aware of current kernel issues, too.)  is the ubufox problem present across other ubuntu variants, too?  thanks.04:07
asacsiretart: unfortunately all apps (nm,wpa,driver) got updated at once so we cannot track down where the regressions stem from ... but as a matter of fact lots of users complain about regressions ... i am just trying to track down which setup might bring us to a more stable behaviour.04:08
Hobbseej1mc: it's not on the uninstallable list now.  do you have a reason for it broken on there?04:08
j1mcHobbsee: it came up as uninstallable in the daily Xubuntu health check email.04:10
j1mci can forward you some of the discussion i had with the packagers if it would help.04:10
j1mci think it was dependent on a package being included in main.04:10
Hobbseej1mc: looking04:11
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Hobbseej1mc: apturl isnt installable for some reason04:13
Hobbseebecause it's in universe04:13
Hobbseeubuntu, edubuntu, gobuntu desktops will also get this04:14
j1mcok.  is it a problem regarding building the ISO's then?  i'm not sure how it will affect things.04:15
Hobbseej1mc: ubufox is depending on a package in universe, so cant install.04:15
Hobbseej1mc: getting it fixed.04:16
j1mcok.  thanks.  :)04:16
Hobbseej1mc: it's fixed.  waiting for mirrors to update04:18
j1mcthanks so much, Hobbsee04:18
Hobbseej1mc: thank pitti, he fixed it.04:18
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j1mcthanks, pitti!04:21
ograpitti, Q-funk added a MIR for mkelfimage ...04:23
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xhakerhowdy, pygi :)04:34
pygihello xhaker04:35
xhakerI might need your help04:35
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pygixhaker, sure, shoot me a pm04:36
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pitticarlos: just if someone asks: I disabled the daily PPA uploads for stable langpacks04:42
pitticarlos: PPAs seem to be in limbo ATM, and we don't strictly need the daily updates in the next two weeks04:42
pitticarlos: I'll migrate to the new PPAs when I return from honeymoon and the production PPAs settled04:42
dholbachmdke: pushed up now04:43
carlospitti: have you updated an updated version yesterday or today?04:43
pitticarlos: it should have gotten one on Sunday04:43
pitticarlos: I only do it on Sundays and Thursdays now04:44
pitticarlos: to not entirely kill the PPA buildd04:44
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pittibryce: do you have an opinion about https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MainInclusionReportXserverXorgVideoAmd ?04:44
carlospitti: ok04:45
carlospitti: thanks for letting me to know04:45
pitticarlos: gutsy uploads continue04:46
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pittiogra: did you ever actually try out mkelfimage?04:50
ograpitti, on one device (i have oinly one working LinuxBios client here) sbalneav did some tests too i was told04:50
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sbalneavpitti: I've done some testing.  I'll do some more in the next couple of days with some etherboot hw I have.04:51
sbalneavso far seems ok.04:51
sbalneavand allows linuxbios stuff to work.04:51
ograit produces a bootable image for the device i tested it on....04:52
ograwhich was the main scope of having it :)04:52
ograi dont think you'll find many of these yet anyway :)04:52
pittiogra: I'm just looking at the MIR and wonder what to do with it, and if it's supportable04:53
ograwell, it will be only used in the rare case where you need to build an etherboot image for LinuxBios driven devices ... its really "corner software"04:54
ograi actually only know two devices04:54
pittiogra: what was the other thing called like? mknbi or so?04:55
ograthats using INT19 calls or something which LinuxBios doesnt support04:55
pittiis mkelfimage a replacement, or a supplement?04:55
ograwell, its not a module for mknbi or so but it fills a gap mknbi doesnt04:57
pittisbalneav, ogra: would it be useful for you to have it in main now?04:57
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ograbefore beta at least04:57
sbalneavpitti: Sure.04:57
ograthe image build script nedds some lines of adjustment that need to happen before release, so having it in early enough for that small change would be fine04:58
ogranot urgently needed for tribe 5 or so04:58
pittiogra: nope, I mean "in gutsy"04:58
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ograpitti, having it wins us a potential OEM customer for canonical ;) http://www.artecgroup.com/thincan/04:59
ograso indeed :)05:00
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sbalneavSo, it's in?05:01
ogranot yet05:02
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pitti(that should last until I'm done with the review :-P)05:03
sbalneavNot pushy, just excited :)05:03
sbalneavI'm like a little kid, bouncing up and down in the back seat.  "Arewethereyet?Arewethereyet?"05:03
ograpitti, btw, how long do we have the pleasure of your attendance here ? werent you supposed to be travelling already ?05:03
ogra(congrats btw)05:04
sbalneavMmm, ice gream.05:04
sbalneaverr cream05:04
pittiogra: thanks! we leave Saturday, early morning05:04
ogra(and congrats to mrs. pitt asd well ;) )05:04
pittiso it's pretty much a normal work week (well, modulo grabbing photos, and doing some post-wedding errands)05:04
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pittiogra, sbalneav: looks fine; approved and promoted05:09
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pittiogra: can you please seed it, so that it stays in main?05:10
ograadding it to edubuntu-server for now, i dont want to do an extra ltsp uplaod to get the new dep into ltsp-client now ...05:12
\shcool...dual head setup works again with a complete new configuration....and even compiz works with it..but only on the first quarter of the two screens ;)05:12
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tkamppeterkagou, ping05:15
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cjwatsoninfinity: re our discussion about bootable flags yesterday - http://www.win.tue.nl/~aeb/partitions/partition_types.html#toc2.9 and feel your brain melt05:33
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dholbachTheMuso: there's a new orca and gnome-speech - do you want to do the honours?05:41
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Hobbseedholbach: likely asleep05:43
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dholbachHobbsee: he'll probably check when he gets back05:43
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coNPDo you know if gimp 2.4 will be included in Gutsy? I don't know its release cycle, is it bound to Gnome 2.20 or independent?05:55
desrtcoNP; independent05:55
Lutinpitti: around ?06:06
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pittiLutin: yes, for some more minutes06:07
brycepitti, yep, I support adding it to main.  I'd encouraged martin-eric to write up the MIR, and will add it to xorg-xserver-video-all once it's in06:07
Lutinpitti: could you reject libhandoff ? I requested the sync but it's not going to be used by anything in gutsy06:07
pittibryce: I approved and promoted it; adding it to -all would be appreciated, because ATM there's nothing that holds it in main06:09
pittiLutin: done (although we'll get it again for the autosync wave in gutsy+1)06:09
brycepitti, excellent, will do06:10
dokocalc: OOo dependency fun. known? or should we just wait for the -l10n build to finish? but I'm unable to install the packages without language packages as well06:11
Lutinpitti: yep, but it was rather useless for gutsy. thanks :). btw, any chance that you have at kdenlive (in NEW source) ? I'm leaving on saturday and won't have chance to upload it before the new packages freeze if there are issues06:11
wasabisomebody kindly tell me what the "official" plans for compiz are.06:11
wasabiThe compiz package in gutsy seems to depend on fusion stuff....06:11
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pittiLutin: on my archive day on Friday perhaps, I need to leave now06:13
Lutinpitti: ok. thanks :)06:13
RiddellLutin: it's seb128's archive day today06:13
seb128Lutin: I'll have a look to it later06:14
LutinRiddell, seb128 : thanks :)06:14
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calcdoko: known and fixed i believe06:18
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calcdoko: what was the exact problem you sa06:19
calcdoko: saw06:19
dokocalc: wants to remove all ooo packages06:19
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calcdoko: yea i think that will be resolved when l10n is uploaded06:27
calcdoko: which should be in 6-7hr06:28
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dokocalc: hmm, strange that I'm unable to just keep the files with removing the -l10n package06:28
calchmm that is strange06:29
dokotried i38606:29
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dokocalc: or try to install from the archive06:30
calcdoko: its installing from the archive for me, at least it claims to be06:30
A20BenC: Here?06:30
calci'll do a second update after it finishes this round to see if it is missing anything06:30
BenCA20: yes06:31
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A20BenC: great, i tryed to speak to you in private, but looks like my messages are blocked06:32
calcA20: ident to services06:32
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A20BenC: i want try to work on project that you mentors06:33
BenCA20: driver-device-manager?06:33
BenCA20: have at it :)06:34
A20BenC: Cesare Tirabassi forwarded mail with my background info to you06:35
BenCA20: I saw that06:35
BenCA20: not sure what you need from me, basically the project just needs to be done06:35
A20BenC: I'm newble here and maybe you can point me where to start06:36
BenCA20: the spec pretty much explains everything06:36
BenCif you have any specific questions from there, email them, please06:36
calcdoko: which set of packages were you upgrading between?06:37
dokocalc: never mind, had still an -l10n-en-za package06:37
calcdoko: oh ok06:37
dokoremoving that one lets the install continue06:37
A20BenC: ok, I'll try to learn everything by myself06:39
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dokocalc: why do you remove the changelog entries from your previous uploads?06:40
calcdoko: they are nearly duplicates each time i can keep them if needed, but the changelog entry is just the difference between Debian and Ubuntu packaging06:41
calcit would make for a very large changelog of course, but if i should keep it around i can06:42
dokocalc: please keep them, we do have the packages available in launchpad, and it's difficult to see what really changes between uploads (and it's not the real changes)06:42
cjwatsonplease make it clear in changelogs that you're documenting the differences06:43
cjwatsonthe usual syntax is:06:43
asac_the_2ndcalc: i think its ok to list differences between debian and ubuntu on first upload ... then on subsequent ubuntu uploads just document what changed06:43
cjwatson  * Resynchronise with Debian. Remaining changes:06:43
cjwatson     - blah06:44
calcasac_the_2nd: for each 1ubuntu1 release?06:44
cjwatsonwe have a policy saying you should do that, somewhere06:44
calccjwatson: ah i forgot the resync line06:44
cjwatsoncalc: each merge with Debian, yes06:44
cjwatsonand yes, discarding old changelog entries is generally a bad idea06:44
cjwatsoneven if they're identical sets of differences being documented, that's useful information06:45
calccjwatson: the old changelog entries conflict on merge as well :\06:45
cjwatsonbut that's trivial06:45
cjwatsondeal with it :)06:45
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dokoepoch'd OOo sucessfully installed06:46
calcdoko: ok06:46
dokocalc: you did remove *all* ubuntu changelog entries, afaics06:47
calcdoko: rather i didn't merge them, since there were lots of conflicts, i'll go back and eye debian vs ubuntu changelogs and merge them by hand06:47
asac_the_2nddoko: fwiw, my changelog entries have disappeared from java as well ;)06:48
calcdoko: for 2.3 i started from debian repo and merged up all the ubuntu changes back into it06:48
dokoasac_the_1/2nd: well, overlapping uploads06:48
asac_the_2ndyes i know ;)06:48
cjwatsoncalc: typically there's one conflict at the top and then a load of offsets06:49
cjwatsonI usually just let patch do it and then apply the .rej by hand (which is usually very short)06:50
calccjwatson: there are a lot more conflicts in ooo changelog due to pulling between debian releases (i guess?)06:50
dokocalc: it's less error prone to merge the debian changes (just the new ones) into the ubuntu package, than the other way around. should be even easier with bzr06:50
cjwatsonpulling between Debian releases should only make a difference to the immediate next merge06:50
cjwatsonafter that it should be all offsets unless the Debian maintainer edits history06:51
calccjwatson: it appears it wasn't remerged properly afterwards, heh06:51
calccjwatson: at least for the changelog06:51
calcbut yea it should only take an hour or so to remerge all of debian/ubuntu history together properly06:51
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cjwatsonseriously, though, this is all relatively straightforward and it's important when trying to figure out what happened in the past06:52
calcand then it won't be an issue after that06:52
cjwatsonit should take much less time if you base your work on an Ubuntu changelog from before dropping the changelog items06:52
calccjwatson: i think what doko said may indicate the changelog was never fully merged from debian in the past06:52
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calci can get it merged no problem, i'll go ahead and start on it now so it will be in the next uploaded version of ooo06:53
dokocalc: wrong, what do you mean by "fully merged"? if you pull from the debian archive between debian uploads, you don't get the "complete" changelog.06:54
calcdoko: there are ubuntu changelog entries from before i maintained ooo that look like they rewrite the debian changelog in areas06:54
calcdoko: when doing a diff between 2.2.1-5 and 2.2.1-5ubuntuX06:54
calcdoko: so it appears that the debian changelog wasn't fully merged up with ubuntu when the merges were done06:55
dokocalc: yes, that's what I mean. why don't you just keep the changelog as it was?06:55
calccjwatson: so should the changelog reflect a merge of ubuntu with the debian sources or whatever happened in ubuntu with rewriting parts of the debian changelog...?06:56
calci can easily just merge it fully and get it over with06:56
lucassomebody knows how to make mutt start epiphany instead of iceweasel when I open a text/html mail part?06:57
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ion_People think this is an Ubuntu support channel all the time, but a Debian support channel as well? :-)06:59
lucasoops, wrong window :-)06:59
cjwatsoncalc: each Ubuntu upload should have a changelog entry, and that changelog entry should be preserved (except if the package is completely synced with Debian); when you merge from Debian, the Debian entries should end up above the previous Ubuntu entry, and then another Ubuntu entry should be inserted at the top documenting the fact of the merge, remaining changes, and (separately) any further changes made in that upload07:00
cjwatsoncalc: with the exception of syncs (which I doubt will happen for OOo), it's never correct to discard old Ubuntu changelog entries, and usually never to remove them. Just leave them as they were, even if they seem to duplicate something else.07:01
cjwatsoncalc: they might well duplicate nearby entries in the Debian changelog in the event that changes were backported to Ubuntu07:01
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calccjwatson: ok no problem, will fix them now07:04
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mdkeI've just tried to install bzr-builddeb on feisty but it won't let me, seems to be because I'm using the bzr from the bazaar-vcs.org/ feisty repository; is there anything I can do?07:46
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mdkeerror is unmet dependencies as follows: bzr-builddeb: Depends: bzr (< 0.16~) but 0.90~rc1-1 is to be installed07:48
pygimdke, you can probably ignore dependencies07:48
pygi(when installing)07:49
mdkepygi: that wouldn't cause any problems?07:49
pygimdke, who knows, but you said you want to do something =)07:49
pygibzr-builddeb might or might not work with new bzr07:50
mdkepygi: can I get a better bzr-builddeb package that will?07:51
mdkemaybe the gutsy one?07:51
pygimdke, well, afaik bzr will release tonight or tomorrow, so soon we'll get those packages in repos  ?07:51
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pygimdke, nop, gutsy still doesn't have the new bzr. It'll have once bzr is released07:51
mdkethanks pygi07:53
pygimdke, yw, wish I could be more helpful :-/07:53
pygimdke, hm, you could try this: it says it dependency is 0.18 and above. Feisty package doesn't allow above.07:56
pygimdke, http://packages.ubuntu.com/gutsy/devel/bzr-builddeb07:56
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mdkepygi: neat, thanks08:18
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j1mchi all - will we be ISO testing today?  i know about kernel problems from earlier today, but haven't heard much in the way of updates since then.08:28
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Riddellj1mc: yes, should be available soon08:38
j1mcRiddell: thank you.08:39
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ScottKcalc: OOO Writer starts for me now on Kubuntu.  I never tried the ooo-gtk work around on this computer.08:55
calcScottK: cool :)08:57
ScottKI thought you might be at least slightly interested.08:57
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calcyea, we can disable the workaround in kubuntu meta now :)08:57
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Riddellcalc: it's gone08:59
ion_benc: Theres a bug in nvidia_supported that causes it to output nothing with the new version of nvidia_new. This should fix it. http://heh.fi/tmp/nvidia_supported.diff09:02
BenCion_: sweet, thanks09:04
ion_benc: How about making nvidia_new the highest priority driver in l-r-m debian/rules now, btw?09:06
ion_That is, move it before nvidia and nvidia_legacy when calling nvidia_supported.09:06
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BenCion_: Might do that09:19
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Riddellheno, stgraber, anyone who wants to test tribe: kubuntu CDs are up09:19
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henoRiddell: cool, thanks!09:20
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evanduh oh, the manifest shows busybox-initramfs 1:1.1.3-5ubuntu309:25
Riddellevand: is that bad?09:26
evandRiddell: it needs to have 1.1.3-5ubuntu4 otherwise the read-only filesystem wont be able to mount and when the installer gets to the copying files stage it will crash as it will have copied nothing (as /rofs is empty) and the steps that follow expect certain files to exist.09:28
Riddellevand: so we need a new build of ubiquity?09:28
henoKubuntu CD test entries are up: https://iso.qa.stgraber.org/isotesting/build/All09:28
evandnegative, we just need busybox-initramfs 1.1.3-5ubuntu4 on there09:29
evandI'm not sure why it's not using the most recent version as it seems to be using the most recent version of everything else09:30
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evandactually, we need the newest version of ubiquity on there as well (1.5.11) as 1.5.10 wont work on kubuntu09:34
cjwatsonevand: that would indicate that livefs builds are failing09:35
evandindeed, I just saw that09:35
RiddellThe following packages have unmet dependencies: openoffice.org-l10n-en-gb: Conflicts: openoffice.org-core (>= 2.3.0~src680m224.1) but09:35
Riddelland calc has run off09:36
evandI thought we were only missing busybox at first09:36
cjwatsonisn't ooo-l10n still building?09:36
cjwatsonyes, it is09:37
cjwatsonwe need that09:37
Riddelloh, we do indeed09:37
RiddellI must have assumed it would be faster than openoffice itself09:38
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cjwatsonopenoffice.org-l10n blocks on openoffice.org09:40
Riddellwell, another couple of hours to go then09:40
Riddellalthough xubuntu shouldn't be affected09:41
j1mcRiddell: so xubuntu should be ok to test now?09:42
Riddellj1mc: once its built09:42
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Riddellj1mc: xubuntu CDs up10:02
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Riddellbdmurray: ^^10:02
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ipxWhats the difference between coding for linux and windows? Im having a class with c++ and i only use linux, how should i solve it? use vmware?10:07
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ScottKipx: ask nixternal.  He's dealing with that same problem.10:08
ipxnixternal: u got any clue?10:09
davmor2Riddell: Kubuntu dying :( on current image on my compaq laptop10:09
nixternalipx: I use Linux for my C++, Java, and whatever other courses10:11
ipxnixternal: and how do you solve it?10:11
ipxcuz if you code it for windows (that the teacher wants it in) you cant see how it works in linux?10:11
nixternalmost of the code in the school are platform independent...there are a few things that won't work in Linux that work with Microsoft, but googling usually helped me out10:12
nixternalwell if you guys are doing C++ GUI, you probably will need to code in Windows10:12
nixternalif you are just doing simple command line programs using the STL, then yo can get away with Linux quite easily10:12
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Riddelldavmor2: desktop or alternate?10:13
ipxnixternal: aww thanks that helped me alot10:13
nixternalipx: are you doing gui c++ work?10:14
ipxwe're only programming in procedure, so its only a terminal10:14
ipxno :)10:14
nixternalipx: then Linux all the way!10:14
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davmor2desktop is there a way to track down the problem with any easy?10:14
ipxNow I see how it works. thanks! :D10:14
nixternal99% of the time, my code compiled just fine in Visual Studio10:14
nixternalyou will learn strcopy and what not are a little different in Linux10:14
ipxWhat development tool do you suggest? KDevelop?10:15
Riddellipx: questions for #kubuntu and #ubuntu, and it all depends on what you want to do10:15
nixternalI just used emacs...but truthfully, vi, emacs, or if you are using KDE, then Kate all the way for this course10:15
nixternalno prob10:16
ipxChecking out emacs right now :)10:16
davmor2Riddell: Oh and check cd still tried to boot it10:16
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Riddelldavmor2: ok, I'll be making new images in a few hours which should fix the install problem10:17
bdmurrayRiddell: I don't seem to have the proper access to the isotesting site anymore10:20
davmor2Riddell: Comes up with Fatal server error:  Caught signal 11.  Server aborting         when typing startx if that helps.10:20
bdmurraystgraber: ping10:20
stgraberbdmurray: pong10:21
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bdmurraystgraber: heno gave me admin rights to iso.qa.stgraber.org but I think I lost them.  I don't see a link to add the xubuntu images10:22
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stgraberbdmurray: indeed, you don't seem to have any admin right, wait a sec10:23
stgraberbdmurray: should be good now, just refresh10:23
pygimdke, managed to do anything?10:23
bdmurraystgraber: great, thanks10:23
bdmurrayRiddell: the xubuntu gutsy-alternate-i386 looks oversized10:26
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Riddellso it is10:38
Riddellj1mc: able to do anything about that?10:38
Riddellor might the xubuntu-desktop in unaccepted help?10:38
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j1mcRiddell: mr_pouit or jani monoses should be able to help10:39
j1mchopefully?  :)10:39
Riddellor we can just not release the alternate CD for this tribe10:39
Riddellmr_pouit: got a preference?10:39
Riddellj1mc: is jani on irc?10:40
j1mcRiddell: xubuntu alternate install is probably installed as much or more than the live cd.10:40
j1mcjani isn't on IRC, no.10:40
Goliath23I just realised, that my "man 2 mmap" manpage is dated back to 2.6.9 kernel times (2004-12-08) .. and i'm using an up-to-date feisty. any idea why the old manpages are in there? (mmap() obviously changed since then in a significant detail (it can return void(0) as a valid pointer) caused me hours of confusion today..10:40
mjg59That's the latest version of the manpage?10:41
Goliath23I guess thats in "manpages-dev". shouldn't they be up-to date?10:41
mjg59As far as I know, it's always been wrong in that respect10:41
Goliath23mjg59: so it's normal, that the old manpages are installed?10:42
mjg59It's not an old manpage. It's the latest version of the manpage.10:42
mjg59The manpages are not generated from the kernel.10:42
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Goliath23mjg59: but there is certanly a more current manpage around (someone in another channel pointed me to it) shouldn't it be in that package then? this one is 3 years old10:44
Riddellj1mc: I'll let through the new meta package and we can try with that10:45
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j1mcRiddell: thanks, I'm contactig Jani and Lionel (mr_pouit) to let them know about it.10:47
Goliath23mjg59: manpages in ubuntu are version 2.39-1, in gentoo they are version 2.63 the other guy says.10:48
mjg59Goliath23: They're 2.62 in gutsy10:48
mjg592.39 dates from late 200610:49
Goliath23who releases that versions?10:49
cjwatsonwe inherit manpages directly from what's packaged by Debian10:49
cjwatson(like many of our packages)10:49
mjg59It's possible that the other guy is looking at the posix manpages. We don't distribute them for copyright reasons.10:50
kylemdo we readd the posix manpages?10:50
cjwatsonkylem: they're in manpages-posix10:50
kylemoh. that plae.10:50
cjwatsoncurrent mmap(2) is dated 2006-12-0410:50
cjwatsonGoliath23: you've always been supposed to check the return of mmap() against MAP_FAILED, FWIW10:51
cjwatsonnot any other value ...10:51
cjwatsonhow did you get mmap() to return (void*)0?10:52
mjg59cjwatson: Map with MEM_FIXED and a start address of 010:52
Goliath23the code is on my office pc, I can't give you the code right now.10:52
mjg59cjwatson: Which is kind of handy for vm86 stuff10:53
Goliath23my program also had a bug because it was checking against != NULL10:53
Goliath23(which is because the functions abstract system specific SHMEM creation and on windows you do it like that.)10:54
Goliath23the outdated manpage stating that mmap() will never return 0 didn't make it easier to find the error :)10:54
wolfepython-fam needs to be patched to work against libfam-dev whatever is in the version right now10:54
Goliath23but you're right of course, you have to check against MAP_FAILED..10:55
cjwatsonmjg59: wow, I'm amazed that doesn't segfault10:55
mjg59cjwatson: Having pages allocated at address 0 is valid enough10:55
cjwatsonI am alternatively surprised that more weirdos don't do that as a crackheaded attempt at avoiding segfaults ;-)10:56
mjg59cjwatson: On Vax, reading 0 gives you 010:56
Goliath23at least I know how to fix it tomorrow morning..10:56
cjwatsonI know10:56
mjg59Lots of code was very broken in the 80s10:56
elmothings haven't changed10:57
kylemtbqh, whilst having things mapped at 0 is valid, it makes life pretty difficult10:57
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mr_pouitRiddell: how much is the xubuntu-iso oversized?11:02
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mr_pouitRiddell: if the new xubuntu-meta upload doesn't help, here is also a possible fix: evince-gtk is currently broken and push libgnome{2,ui} with it. A possible fix is attached to Bug #121871... maybe it'll be enough?11:12
ubotuLaunchpad bug 121871 in evince "[gutsy]  evince-gtk depends on libgnome" [High,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/12187111:12
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benkong2I know this is not for support but... Who handles the screen resolution package in ubuntu? I want to better understand why my resolution choices never change.11:14
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mdkepygi: no, I found that it needs dependencies and gave up :)11:17
bdmurraybenkong2: Do you mean what person or what package?11:18
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bdmurraybryce: I'm booting the Kubuntu daily build and got an Xorg general protection11:25
bryce"general protection"??11:26
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brycewould you mind also turning on failsafe (sudo /etc/gdm/failsafeInstall) and see what happens?  I've not yet tested it with Kubuntu with a real failure situation11:26
bdmurraybryce: error message in dmesg and the last line in /var/log/Xorg.0.log is "Backtrace:"11:27
calcRiddell: yea ooo-l10n should be done in the next hour or two11:27
brycehrm, just "Backtrace:"?  not too informative11:28
brycedid you also test the Tribe-4 Kubuntu cd on that same hardware?  Is it a new error?11:28
brycealso, does the Ubuntu daily have the same issue or does it boot ok?11:29
bdmurraybryce: Yes. Just Ubuntu Tribe4. Yes. Will download.11:31
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evandwow, the new xubuntu artwork looks amazing11:33
pygievand, any shots?11:37
bdmurraybryce: what do you mean by the failsafe install?11:37
brycebdmurray: if you run that script it flips on Bulletproof-X11:38
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bdmurraybryce: so boot normally and then run that?11:38
bryceif you've been able to install ubuntu, but X isn't working, run that and reboot or restart gdm.11:39
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benkong2bdmurray; sorry I mean the person and the package if possible11:40
bryceif it's failing on the live cd or during installation though, this won't help11:40
bdmurraybryce: right it is failing on the Live CD11:40
bryceok nevermind then11:41
bdmurraybenkong2: the package would Xorg11:41
bdmurrayor groups of packages rather11:41
bdmurraybryce: What should I include in the bug report then?11:41
brycethe usual... xorg.conf, Xorg.0.log, lspci -nnvv11:42
evandpygi: http://evalicious.com/xubuntu.png - not sure how new the artwork is, it's been since early in the cycle that I used xubuntu11:42
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pygievand, thanks11:43
benkong2bdmurray; my problem is that in Ubuntu the Screen Resolution selection program offers no other choices no matter how I change xorg.conf11:43
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bdmurraybenkong2: hrm, there is a lot of information we would need to help you out11:49
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calcanyone know why tracker is installed?11:50
calcit seems to be causing my system to go into 100% iowait11:50
Riddellit's default now in ubuntu11:50
calcRiddell: how often does it eat all cpu?11:50
wolfewhat is tracker?11:51
calc Tracker is an advanced framework for first class objects with associated11:51
calc metadata and tags. It provides a one stop solution for all metadata, tags,11:51
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calc shared object databases, search tools and indexing.11:51
Riddelllike strigi or beagle11:51
calci'm guessing its whats eating all my cpu anyway11:51
pygiand is not so fun xD11:51
Riddellcalc: dunno, I've never used it11:51
wolfeis it default with server too?11:51
wolfeand can it be turned off easily?11:51
bdmurraycalc: you have 2 cpus don't you?11:51
calcbdmurray: yea still makes the system barely responsive11:52
wolfeno offense, but I think there needs to be no tracker enabled by default11:52
calclooks like it finally finished11:52
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wolfepygi: how?11:52
calccool 100% idle now i can do stuff again, heh11:52
wolfewell, I can see the majority of power users disabling it11:52
evandxubuntu installed fine \o/11:52
pygiwolfe, preferences, indexing preferences11:53
wolfepygi: aha, ok.11:53
ajmitchcalc: just purge it :)11:53
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calcajmitch: i wanted to make sure it is expected behavior so it doesn't kill our users when they install 7.10 in a couple months ;)11:53
pygiajmitch, not smart, then he purges ubuntu-standard or ubuntu-desktop or whatever11:54
ajmitchpygi: rubbish, it's a recommends, not depends11:54
davmor2Riddell:  The Intel X driver is still screwing up the display in xubuntu desktop, which means it almost certainly will with ubuntu and kubuntu too.11:54
calcpygi: i could just equivs replace it or something11:54
calcajmitch: doesn't recommends get auto-installed now, or will be soon if we merge up with debian?11:54
calcajmitch: debian now installs recommends automatically11:54
pygicalc, they do get autoinstalled11:55
pygifrom some time ago11:55
ajmitchcalc: yes, which is why you got trakcer installed & can remove it safely11:55
calcajmitch: ah ok :)11:55
ajmitchhopefully apt will remember that I didn't want tracker on the next ubuntu-desktop update :)11:55
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pygiajmitch, calc : sudo aptitude remove tracker11:57
pygiRemove the following packages:11:57
calcoh is that what puts up the little orange deskbar applet?11:58
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pygiajmitch, ^_^11:58
Nafallocalc: no, that's deskbar-applet :-)11:59
ajmitchpygi: yes, that's because aptitude wants to preserve recommends11:59
ajmitchpygi: it doesn't mean that you can't just remove it11:59
LaserJockpffft, who uses aptitude ;-)12:02
ajmitchdselect ftw?12:03
NafalloLaserJock: I do on servers :-)12:03
Nafalloipkg on some routers ;-)12:04
ajmitchLaserJock: you don't just edit the status & various other files by hand?12:04
calcNafallo: so is there some sort of applet to use the tracker data?12:04
LaserJockwho needs dependency resolution? It works fine for .rpms12:04
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Nafallocalc: deskbar-applet has a plugin I've removed I think :-)12:04
calcNafallo: heh12:05
ajmitchnice, icedtea is available for amd6412:05
ajmitchthanks doko :)12:05
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calcoh i see it under accessories12:05
dokoajmitch: test it12:06
Nafallocalc: it's own tool, nautilus and deskbar-applet can use it I think.12:06
dokocalc: you may want to give OOo a try with icedtea12:06
ajmitchdoko: I will, I was just looking to see what was available12:06
calcdoko: ok12:08
calcdoko: is that packaged yet?12:08
dokocalc: see ubuntu-devel-discuss12:09
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calcdoko: ah i see the message :)12:09
calcdoko: is icedtea being packaged for debian as well?12:10
bhaleajmitch: whats that12:11
dokocalc: you don't have to care about it ;-)12:11
calcdoko: well for merge reasons it would be good ;)12:12
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Kopfgeldjaeger g n812:17
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bdmurraybryce: bug 134153 has been submitted12:23
ubotuLaunchpad bug 134153 in xorg "[gutsy]  xorg failed to start on an Intel 945 using Kubuntu desktop CD daily build 20070822.1" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/13415312:23
brycebdmurray: thx12:23
bdmurraylet me know if you need anything else - I also ran xresprobe if that is useful12:23
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kylembdmurray, ack12:24
kylembdmurray, fix forthcoming for it12:24
kylembdmurray, discover-data bug.12:24
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ajmitchbhale: icedtea is a temporary fork of sun's openjdk12:27
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brycekylem, can you give me any pointers on how to know when a given bug is discover-data?12:27
kylemwell, it chose vesa instead of i810 or intel.12:28
kylemprobably also a vesa bug since it didn't start, but feh.12:28
kylemi really hoped we had time to replace that for gutsy but it's too late now.12:29
brycefollow up question - what's involved in fixing these kinds of bugs?  Is it usually just updating pci id tables, or more involved?12:29
kylemi think X driver pick-age is the only place discover is used these days.12:29
mjg59Well, vesa has got significantly worse recently12:29
kylembryce, yes, discover-data has a big pci id database.12:30
kylemmjg59, vbios itym :P12:30
kylemvesa hasn't really change dmuch12:30

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