[12:36] Ubuntu has CONFIG_SLUB=y set which breaks fglrx suspend/resume on 2.6.22... With CONFIG_SLAB=y it "works for me"(tm). Just if anyone cares... ;o) === mikmorg [n=mikmorg@pool-71-98-87-96.ipslin.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === beuno [n=beuno@ubuntu/member/beuno] has joined #ubuntu-devel === georgy [n=georgy@srbk-590f9a21.pool.einsundeins.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === hggdh [n=hggdh@pool-71-170-39-244.dllstx.fios.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === doko_ [n=doko@dslb-088-073-072-249.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jwendell [n=wendell@ubuntu/member/wendell] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jsgotangco [n=JSG@125.212.14.60] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jml [n=jml@203-113-250-169-static.TAS.netspace.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:15] pkern, out of curiousity what do each of those do, CONFIG_SLUB/SLAB [01:17] superm1: They are different allocators. SLUB was added in 2.6.22 in addition to the older SLAB. [01:18] superm1: See lwn.net or kerneltrap for details. [01:19] ah, i see [01:22] hi peeps [01:22] you may know better than me [01:22] but what is the netbug command ? [01:22] netbug [01:22] Send network configuration summary to [ENTER means kuznet@ms2.inr.ac.ru] [01:23] ldd /sbin/netbug [01:23] not a dynamic executable [01:23] [01:23] strings /sbin/netbug shows it collecting lots of info from /proc === asac_ [n=asac@debian/developer/asac] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:25] Seems like it does exactly what it says it does. [01:25] Please read the topic. [01:26] part of the iproute package i see === rnorwood [i=rnorwood@nat/redhat/x-f2ba683f2a6db3a0] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mc44 [n=mc44@unaffiliated/mc44] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Exit,] === webben_ [n=benh@dip5-fw.corp.ukl.yahoo.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:01] Are there any Ubuntu Forums developers or admins about? I wanted to ask a question about the CAPTCHA? [02:01] We really need to provide a way for blind and deafblind users to access the forums. [02:02] webben_: You probably want #ubuntuforums, right? [02:02] ah, yes I probably do ... thanks :) === jetscreamer [n=jetscrea@unaffiliated/jetscreamer] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jsgotangco [n=JSG@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pedro_ [n=pedro@pc-65-202-214-201.cm.vtr.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === licio [n=licio@ubuntu/member/licio] has joined #ubuntu-devel === zul_ [n=chuck@mail.edgewater.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel === zul [n=chuck@ubuntu/member/zul] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jml_ [n=jml@203-113-250-169-static.TAS.netspace.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:22] gar, amd64 failed again === calc kicks OOo === calc looks to see what caused the failure this time === PriceChild [n=pricechi@ubuntu/member/pdpc.supporter.student.PriceChild] has joined #ubuntu-devel === LaserJock [n=mantha@ubuntu/member/laserjock] has joined #ubuntu-devel === maniacmusician [n=maniacmu@24-151-1-102.dhcp.nwtn.ct.charter.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === j_ack [n=j_ack@p508D86C6.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:39] i have a fix now for the amd64 can't build with java disabled issue :\ === calc hates having to keep hammer the buildds :( [02:40] i need to reinstall amd64 arch on my desktop so i can test on it locally [02:40] aren't you glad you can upload only source? [02:40] probably could build ooo in under an hour on it [02:40] ajmitch: heh saves on my bandwidth yep :) [02:40] it would take years to upload with this piddly 64KB/s broadband here [02:40] eh? i doubt your desktop is that much faster than the buildds. [02:41] ajmitch: the fun part is the java failure on amd64 was known for a while and the person who created the patch never applied it, its sitting in the bts [02:41] kylem: ccache and bypasses the gsi part of the build [02:41] kylem: i can build in under an hour on i386 [02:41] cheater. ;-) [02:41] it takes 8hr+ on the buildds [02:42] you know you can testbuild on ronne right? [02:42] and do ccache... [02:42] file an rt to get added ot the porter group [02:43] getting all the right dependencies installed and sending patches to ronne is a pain since it has no direct network access (or seems like it anyway) [02:43] the install part is due to having to submit rt's etc [02:43] i'm going to reinstall my desktop when i have some downtime probably after the tribe5 release === calc remembers he has to move this weekend, grr [02:44] can't do it after tribe5 release after all :\ [02:45] you can dput over scp into the dc [02:45] anyway === webben [n=benh@91.84.196.77] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jml_ [n=jml@ppp121-44-219-182.lns1.hba1.internode.on.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:00] kylem: got access to kill the i386 ooo build? [03:00] nope [03:00] infinity, ^- [03:00] infinity: awake still? === calc hopes this next upload will be the last for tribe5 [03:01] it fixes the java disable failure case [03:01] calc: Ugh, again? === didymo [n=ashley@CPE-61-9-197-223.static.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:02] infinity: yea this time was due to lazy upstream didn't commit a fix when java is disabled it doesn't actually fully disable and the patch has been sitting around for a while :( [03:03] nearly 2 weeks in the bts gar [03:04] this should allow it to build except for sparc which ICEs [03:04] infinity: kill sparc build also please === Traxer is now known as Traxer|on === Traxer|on is now known as Traxer [03:12] calc: I'll kill them all in a sec. [03:12] calc: Several things on the go at once, won't be a moment. === macd [n=d@cl-151.ewr-01.us.sixxs.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === gouki_ [n=gouki@ubuntu/member/gouki] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:20] infinity: no problem === gouki__ [n=gouki@bl4-196-216.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:26] calc: Err, I have no builds to kill. Looks like they all finished. [03:27] except for i386, which I missed due to blindness. [03:27] (killing now) === gouki__ is now known as gouki === georgy [n=georgy@srbk-590f9a21.pool.einsundeins.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === robitaille [n=daniel@ubuntu/member/robitaille] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:32] infinity: oh ok === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:35] morning all === annodomini [n=bpc@pool-71-169-140-20.burl.east.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:36] hi Hobbsee [03:36] hi LaserJock Hobbsee [03:37] i bhale [03:37] *hi [03:37] hello Hobbsee, LaserJock, bhale [03:37] hi aj [03:38] hi mitch ;-) [03:38] haha === Hobbsee_ [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:41] Hobbsee: hi :) === Hobbsee_ [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Hobbsee_ [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:55] infinity: can you approve 1ubuntu3 [03:55] morning calc [03:56] Hobbsee: good morning [03:56] Hobbsee: hmm maybe you could do it? do you have access to approve packages during freeze? [03:56] calc: heh, no, i'm a mere core dev. [03:56] Hobbsee: oh ok [03:56] Hobbsee: i thought you were a RM as well :) [03:56] 'mere'. heh [03:56] calc: i may be on the release team, but i dont have access inside the DC [03:57] Hobbsee: ok [03:57] calc: a RM, sure, but not the head one, and i still dont have access to the DC :P [03:57] Hobbsee: oh ok === calc prays that it is his last upload for tribe5 === Hobbsee isnt doing much this tribe release anyway - thought Riddell would find it easier to be doing it on his own [03:57] calc: I'd ask for a diff, but I don't want to know, do I? I just want to be told that this one will work. === j_ack [n=j_ack@p508D86C6.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:57] calc: So, please, tell me that. [03:58] (for his first) [03:58] Hobbsee: He's had some help here and there. :) [03:58] infinity: "Please tell me you tested it?" too? [03:58] infinity: oh i realise that :) [03:59] calc: Accepted. If it doesn't build, I'll expect your head on a platter of some sort. With cheese and crackers, and maybe a nice pate. [04:00] ewww [04:00] calc: do i want to know if you test built it? [04:00] infinity: libnss-db! [04:01] Hobbsee: No one test builds OOo, they just attempt to determine if their patch will fix the last failure through careful code auditing, prayer, and blind guessing. [04:01] Mostly the latter two, a little less of the former. [04:01] infinity: its this [04:01] http://www.openoffice.org/nonav/issues/showattachment.cgi/47475/ooo-reportdesign.diff [04:01] infinity: so *that's* why it never builds. man, i can see why we wouldnt want to give him core dev :P [04:01] hub created a patch ~ 11 days ago and never committed it === georgy [n=georgy@srbk-590fcd5d.pool.einsundeins.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:02] infinity: he just put it in bts, heh [04:02] Hobbsee: it'd be funny if you were maintaining OOo [04:02] calc: Dude, WTF? [04:02] Hobbsee: it only fails on non-i386 builds so no :\ [04:02] ajmitch: i'm not insane. [04:02] calc: How did no one catch that and fix it earlier? [04:03] infinity: because usually java is enabled for OOo since it disables lots of stuff === infinity dies a little inside. [04:03] infinity: but current OOo is broken on amd64/powerpc with java enabled [04:03] Yeah, like the help system, but who needs help? [04:03] infinity: at least on Ubuntu :\ [04:03] infinity: heh, i'm going to rebuild my machine to amd64 asap and try to debug the larger java broken issue but it won't be before tribe5 [04:03] infinity: tribe4 had java disabled for all [04:04] infinity: it works on i386 now, but not amd64/powerpc :\ [04:04] calc: Dig up. I don't think you're helping. [04:04] yes, but tribe 4 had ooo not even working on kubuntu, so if you're saying that's some form of success.... [04:04] Hobbsee: that was a bug/feature in glib/gtk [04:04] hah. feature. [04:04] Hobbsee: it broke lots of other apps besides just OOo [04:04] i'm well aware [04:04] Hobbsee: like konqueror, acroread and several other things i don't recall at the moment (i don't use them) [04:05] it was people using private gtk+ api when they shouldn't have [04:05] Hobbsee: aiui glib/gtk is doing a proper fix as well [04:05] yay! [04:05] i didn't have to use that API to do my fake tooltips [04:05] Amaranth: that wasn't the issue afaict [04:05] Amaranth: sure, but you've forgotten the golden rule. "always blame calc" [04:05] Amaranth: for OOo it was a call to gdk_screen that caused the hang [04:05] Hobbsee: Good deal. [04:05] calc: ... [04:05] wow === calc looks up the exact call [04:06] gdk_screen_get_font_options [04:07] now it is called like: [04:07] + GdkScreen *pScreen = gdk_screen_get_default(); [04:07] + if (const cairo_font_options_t *pOptions = pScreen ? gdk_screen_get_font_options(pScreen) : 0) [04:07] to get around the hang [04:07] so the problem is not having a valid GdkScreen? [04:07] that just looks like a NULL check [04:08] Amaranth: apparently in this case yes, not sure if it is the same on the other apps [04:08] well, notification-daemon broke around the same time and it was the tooltips issue [04:08] perhaps they did something that broke it at a lower level that affected both things [04:08] pygtk too, that was embarrassing [04:09] i was reading a report about gtk init not being thread safe as well which might cause some problems [04:09] held up the GNOME 2.19.6 or so release for quite some time [04:09] none of it is thread-safe if you don't initiate threads and grab the lock properly [04:09] i might have misunderstood what i was reading in the bug report then [04:10] i'm kind of jealous there, the java guys replaced the default lock with a reentrant one and just wrap every gtk+ call in their binding so in java you can just use gtk+ in threads with no worries === tck [n=tck@213-202-177-23.bas504.dsl.esat.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === LaserJock kicks Windows XP, stupid thing won't connect to my wifi [04:16] LaserJock: do you mean you expected XP to actually *work*? [04:17] well, kinda yeah === j_ack [n=j_ack@p508D86C6.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === calc notes if amd64/powerpc still fail he is going to have to reinstall his box sooner rather than later [04:21] calc: you assume you'll be alive by that point [04:22] Yes. Since infinity is scary. [04:22] heh [04:22] i won't die until he sees me at UDS I'm sure ;) [04:22] maybe he'll forget by then [04:22] unless he comes and hunts you out. [04:22] Which he might. [04:23] I live in TX, we are hicks here ;) [04:23] I'll send Dick Cheney after him ;) [04:23] he's my daddy, lol [04:23] "Sir? Why are trying bring 2 AK-47s into the country?" 'Revenge.' "Ah, fair enough then." [04:23] isn't TX where everyone and their dog has a weapon? [04:24] of course all I have easy access to is a balisong not much competition to a AK-47 === sbalneav [n=sbalneav@S0106000b6a5631f9.wp.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === justinwray [n=justinwr@pool-71-248-27-207.bltmmd.east.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === j_ack [n=j_ack@p508D86C6.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Lure [n=lure@12.10.190.194] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:38] it seems the libcompress-zlib-perl issue is still on lpia [04:39] calc: Working on it. === xhaker [n=xhaker@83-223-181-94.cpe.netmadeira.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:51] AK's are really over-rated anyway unless you need something that will work after you crawl through the mud. === maniacmusician [n=maniacmu@24-151-1-102.dhcp.nwtn.ct.charter.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:00] ScottK: its been raining a lot here lately that might be useful ;) [05:00] I can see that. [05:01] Generally speaking though, unless you've trained and are good under stress, area effect weapons like shotguns are better. You only have to be approximately right. [05:01] Or approximately wrong in your Daddy's case. [05:03] ScottK: But the AK-47 gives you 'spray and pray' [05:04] Yes and it's stunningly easy to miss everything. === robitaille [n=robitail@ubuntu/member/robitaille] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:13] is there some way to make debuild log print the current time at the beginning of each line? [05:13] so that timing of builds can be more granularly examined? [05:19] calc: A bit vile, but you could do: [05:19] debuild | while read line; do echo "$(date +%H%M%S): $line"; done === beuno [n=beuno@200.127.224.173] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:19] Oh, wait, debuild logs by default, doesn't it? [05:20] Anyhow, make it spit to stdout (or use dpkd-buildpackage), and the above trick would work fine. [05:25] infinity: yea just not with the time === stub [n=stub@ppp-58.8.5.12.revip2.asianet.co.th] has joined #ubuntu-devel === superm1 [n=superm1@ubuntu/member/superm1] has joined #ubuntu-devel === cassidy [n=cassidy@13.170-200-80.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Lutin [n=Lutin@ubuntu/member/lutin] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Sp4rKy_ [n=Sp4rKy@dunnewind.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mrpouit [n=mrpouit@ubuntu/member/mrpouit] has joined #ubuntu-devel === j_ack [n=j_ack@p508D86C6.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Knightlust [n=dax@122.2.246.215] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:18] btw, i am testing a fix for the openoffice.org-l10n issue along with updating it to the latest openoffice.org debian dir [06:19] i'll hopefully have it uploaded in a few hours after i have verified the build === jml [n=jml@ppp121-44-219-182.lns1.hba1.internode.on.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:32] er yea so leave openoffice.org-l10n alone until i reupload it :) [06:32] i'm not going to upload it until i know that it works and that openoffice.org works as well since it uses the same rules file [06:33] that should be in less than 7hr === thekorn [n=thekorn@a89-182-143-216.net-htp.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:35] Give the rest of us a chance to use the buildd's for a while. [06:35] ScottK: yea and that too :) [06:35] Heh. calc isn't so good at sharing. [06:35] ScottK: l10n will only build on i386 so your mostly safe on that [06:35] Well that's one I've been waiting on. [06:36] its been building locally for about 2hr now so it should be done in another 3-4 i think [06:36] then i'll wait until amd64/powerpc pass on oo.o before uploading to make sure there isn't any other issues [06:37] if there is i will beat myself :\ === calc thinks murphy hates him [06:38] Murphy doesn't hate you. Murphy is just Murphy. [06:38] heh [06:38] You're the one that took the OOO maintainer job. [06:38] Who hates you ? [06:38] so oo.o should be done around 11am UTC [06:38] ScottK: hehe, apparently I do as well ;) [06:38] ScottK: probably the liquor cabinet ;) [06:39] hmm yea i have some alcohol should have been drinking that [06:39] maybe it would help me keep from screwing up uploads === didymo [n=ashley@CPE-61-9-197-223.static.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:40] At the very least it would help with the caring. [06:41] it could produce some interesting changelog entries === calc looked at sparc prices and decided it was a bit steep to have his own buildd at home [06:41] calc: Don't buy a new one, you berk. [06:41] surely ebay has a few [06:41] even ebay was high for recent boxen [06:41] in the 2-3K range for low end stuff [06:41] like ultra 25 [06:42] an ultra 10 is cheap but it would take years to build on that [06:42] i used to run Debian with KDE on one back ~ 2000 === Zdra_ [n=zdra@91.176.46.24] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:43] iirc its roughly equal in speed to a celeron 400 [06:44] I know what you mean. I've build kdepim on a PIII 700 w/ 256 MB of RAM and that was bad enough. [06:45] yuck, yea [06:45] i think the slowest box i compiled KDE on back when i maintained it was an athlon 1800 w/512MB [06:45] i just let the buildds build it for sparc [06:46] and i learned about using ccache with KDE, heh [06:46] I think I'm off to bed. Good night everyone. [06:46] goodnight === calc is going to bed/nap for a few hours as well [06:46] going to wake to check on the build in a few [06:50] night calc === sahin_h [n=ezaz@dsl5400DA66.pool.t-online.hu] has joined #ubuntu-devel === zyga [n=zyga@ubuntu/member/zyga] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pitti [n=pitti@ubuntu/member/pitti] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:16] Good morning [07:16] good morning pitti. [07:16] hey kylem [07:17] Morning pitti === didymo [n=ashley@CPE-61-9-197-223.static.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:20] hey pitti === glatzor [n=renate@p57AEE85E.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === viviersf [n=cain@gw.impilinux.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-devel === elkbuntu hugs all GNOME hackers :) [07:53] pitti: good morning === calc can't sleep [07:54] i mistakenly drank a large coke tonight at dinner ~ 7hr ago after having not drank any coke for a week or two [07:54] now i'm wired :\ [07:54] hey calc [07:55] pitti: oh btw i have a couple MIRs if you get bored ;) [07:55] calc: are they necessary for tribe5? [07:55] they can wait until after tribe5 though due to the freeze [07:55] nah not needed for t5 [07:56] calc: so no new OOo for t5? [07:56] pitti: ones building right now [07:56] calc: I'll still try to process them this week [07:56] pitti: if it works i'll be uploading another ooo-l10n as well [07:57] pitti: but if they can be processed in time for t6 i'll use them for the t6 ooo upload === calc bbl === LaserJock [n=mantha@ubuntu/member/laserjock] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:00] pitti: Should -9- be NBS'd out, or do we need to wait for -meta uploads and the like? [08:00] StevenK: kernel is pretty screwed ATM, nothing to NBS yet [08:00] StevenK: we are on it [08:00] pitti: oh btw kubuntu shouldn't need the ooo -gtk/-gnome deps once the ooo build finishes [08:00] Fair enough, I can visually grep -v it out of the list. :-) === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:01] pitti: The only thing that can be NBS'd out is libopenbabel1. === dholbach [n=daniel@i59F7264D.versanet.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:16] good morning [08:17] hi dholbach [08:17] hey LaserJock [08:18] how are you doing? [08:18] doing ok [08:18] really busy, but that's normal === webben_ [n=benh@dip5-fw.corp.ukl.yahoo.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Seveas [n=seveas@ubuntu/member/seveas] has joined #ubuntu-devel === kagou [n=Patrice@77.193.179.117] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:30] hi pitti [08:31] hey kagou [08:31] pitti, could you have a look at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GutsyGibbon/Tribe5 [08:32] kagou: in a bit [08:32] pitti, i'v added a section for printing but as my english is poor, i will appreciate that you review it === ScottK2 [n=ScottK@ubuntu/member/scottk] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:32] pitti: kagou i'll check the english, i fyou want [08:33] kagou: my English is far from perfect either, but I'll review it, and maybe add some things to it, too; thanks for the initial text! [08:33] Hobbsee and pitti , nice thanks :) [08:33] pitti: OK, you go first, then i'll review *both* of yours [08:33] Hobbsee: I'll ping you [08:33] :) === ubotu [n=ubotu@ubuntu/bot/ubotu] has joined #ubuntu-devel === cjwatson [n=cjwatson@chiark.greenend.org.uk] has joined #ubuntu-devel === cjwatson [n=cjwatson@chiark.greenend.org.uk] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === cjwatson [n=cjwatson@chiark.greenend.org.uk] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:42] kagou: do you mind if I make it a little less technical and more user-oriented? === atlas95 [n=atlas@AVelizy-153-1-53-106.w86-205.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel === RAOF [n=chris@123-243-65-41.tpgi.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === blackskad [n=blackska@d54C1A48C.access.telenet.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:54] Hobbsee, kagou: page updated [08:55] (the printing section only) [08:56] pitti, no problem. I just want to let the world ;) know the great improvement of printing under Gutsy :) Thanks [08:57] kagou: indeed, that was on my list to mention for the tribe, too [08:57] gutsy rocks! :) [08:57] Yes :) [08:57] just some more fiddling with the AppArmor profile [08:57] ugg, my printing got all screwed up with Gutsy [08:57] hopefully it's worked out now, I hope [08:57] pitti, do we have anything liek this? http://www.redhatmagazine.com/2007/08/21/a-step-by-step-guide-to-building-a-new-selinux-policy-module/ === tehk [n=tehk@c-69-249-157-157.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:07] http://daniel.holba.ch/sponsoring/ now has colors [09:07] kylem: not in GUI form, but aa-genprof is really useful === tehk [n=tehk@c-69-249-157-157.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:14] dholbach: I guess gnome-user-docs will have to wait until after tribe now right? [09:14] mdke: sorry - I looked a bit into it yesterday, tried to find an optimal way to get it built and all that but got busy with other stuff [09:15] mdke: I'll look into it today again and see that we find a nice way to get that done, so it will be easier for you to ask me or others to upload that package [09:15] dholbach: cool; what needs to be done to get it built? Isn't the existing build system ok? [09:16] no [09:16] there are files that need to get automatically generated to make it buildable [09:16] as I said: I'll think of something clever [09:16] dholbach: as a result of our changes? [09:16] no [09:16] what's in SVN is only the raw files that are being changed [09:17] ./autogen.sh && make dist will roll a buildable tarball from that === dsas [n=dean@ubuntu/member/dsas] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:17] dholbach: oh [09:17] i've not yet decided on how to represent your changes to that, how to roll the tarball, or to do a native package, etc === seb128 [n=seb128@ubuntu/member/seb128] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:18] dholbach: so the tarballs as released are different to the svn snapshot? [09:19] if so, it sounds like we should be working from the tarballs and importing them to bzr rather than from the svn snapshot [09:19] mdke: svn export <...>/trunk; cd trunk; ./autogen.sh && make dist will be called gnome-user-docs-2.18.2.tar.gz too, but in fact it will rather be something like gnome-user-docs_2.18.2+svn20070822.orig.tar.gz [09:19] mdke: does that make sense? [09:20] seb128: hey hey [09:20] that'd be more manual work for you [09:20] hey seb128 [09:20] hello pitti dholbach [09:20] mdke: I think that finding a clever automatic way is what we want [09:20] seb128: is it deliberate that the deskbar applet now opens a separate window, instead of one attached to the icon? [09:20] pitti: yes [09:20] pitti: pinching wikilock [09:20] dholbach: ok, if you think so, then I'll follow you! Are there other packages that do it the same way? [09:21] pitti: they redesigned the UI as a SoC [09:21] mdke: can't think of any atm - I'll look into it later today [09:22] seb128: a pity :/ [09:22] dholbach: alright, thanks. If importing the gnome releases rather than svn is the Right Thing to do then please tell me so, because I don't mind doing that [09:22] I'll let you know [09:22] dholbach: don't want to create work for you [09:22] pitti: why? [09:22] seb128: dunno, I liked the small window better === Nuscly [n=nuscly@29-231.206-83.static-ip.oleane.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:22] k, you are not the only one looking at bugs [09:22] let's see what they do [09:24] dholbach: while you're on http://daniel.holba.ch/sponsoring/, the only way to tell which list something is on at the moment is to hover over the "list link" - perhaps the whole thing could be split up by list? [09:24] cjwatson: right - good idea - I'll do that later [09:24] kagou: did you want me to add you as part of the people getting credit for who wrote the page? === dholbach needs to run some errands in a bit [09:25] dholbach: thanks [09:26] pitti: === carlos [n=carlos@canonical/launchpad/carlos] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:30] Hobbsee: thanks [09:35] Hobbsee, yes. Thanks === StevenK waits for the "OpenOffice.org not broken everywhere! We promise!" item on the wiki page .... [09:35] StevenK: it is already; you mean 'anywhere'? === norsetto [n=norsetto@host45-213-dynamic.17-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:37] pitti: I'm only teasing. :-) === didymo [n=ashley@CPE-61-9-197-223.static.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:40] pitti: do you know why system-config-printer Conflicts with gnome-cups-manager? [09:41] seb128: yes, I did that a while ago [09:41] seb128: it's nasty and hackish, but somehow we need to avoid two identical printer entries in the menu, and faciliate upgrades [09:41] seb128: (and two printer icons in the tray) [09:41] is it just me, or #ubuntu-motu is dead? === Gasten [n=Gasten@h52n9c1o1095.bredband.skanova.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:41] is just me..... [09:41] It's just quiet. Deal. [09:41] pitti: shouldn't the update-manager deal with that? [09:42] pitti: that looks wrong to me to force users to remove one to try the other one [09:42] seb128: u-m should also do it ideally, but doesn't ATM [09:42] seb128: right, it's a bit evil [09:43] seb128: but as I said you'll get duplicate notifications, icons, etc. when you have both installed === stub [n=stub@ppp-58.8.5.12.revip2.asianet.co.th] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:43] pitti: right, but Conflicts are not meant to avoid having duplicate icons [09:43] that's a packaging system abuse ;) [09:44] seb128: I'm fine with removing the C/R again as soon as u-m cares about it [09:44] k, will talk to mvo about it then, thanks [09:44] seb128: I'll file a bug and milestone it for beta === heno [n=henrik@ubuntu/member/heno] has joined #ubuntu-devel === omalley [n=omalley@nttkyo529023.tkyo.nt.ftth.ppp.infoweb.ne.jp] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:48] seb128: task and comment added to bug 107766 [09:48] pitti: thanks === pitti wonders where ubotu does holidays === azeem [n=mbanck@ppp-88-217-18-246.dynamic.mnet-online.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Ng [n=cmsj@mairukipa.tenshu.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jumpula7 [i=jussi@smooth.piipiip.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:50] pitti: sweden. [09:52] infinity: ping ? === Zic [n=Zic@Final-Fantasy.FF-IRC.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:56] any idea when gobby will be moved to main? [09:57] I think it already has [09:57] Edubuntu is shipping it so I certainly hope it's in Main ;-) === viviersf [n=cain@gw.impilinux.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:59] OK, last I have seen here was still marking it as universe: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gobby/ === azeem [n=mbanck@ppp-88-217-18-246.dynamic.mnet-online.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:00] last I checked that was intentional === Ng [n=cmsj@mairukipa.tenshu.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:00] LaserJock is mistaken, Edubuntu can't ship stuff in universe [10:00] it's approved for main, but it needs libxml++2.6 in main first [10:01] I'd just found that out [10:01] ok, reason for asking is that I've got an outstanding merge for it in bug 133689, which is now subscribed to u-u-s for sponsorship [10:01] personally I think it's messy to support, but we may be stuck with doing so anyway ... [10:01] gobby is one of those things that's the best of its genre but still terrible [10:02] cjwatson: more like "least worst" than best, really. [10:02] or least bad, probably [10:03] "least bad" is correct grammar [10:03] indeed, I saw that about two seconds after I pressed enter [10:03] sadly, multiplayer notepad doesn't have undo. [10:06] so, what should I do with that merge, let it die a natural end, subscribe u-m-s/unsubscribe u-u-s, ask for a freeze exception (it already got an UVFe), bury it under two tons of ground? [10:06] it's in universe, u-u-s is fine ...? [10:07] it's been on the list for promotion to main at some point for about a year and a half, it may not necessarily happen immediately ;) [10:09] Mithrandir: extend it so it does. [10:10] Hobbsee: morning oh mistress of the universe! [10:11] greetings, norsetto. do you want to do my physics assignment for me/ [10:11] Hobbsee: about what? === atlas95 [n=atlas@AVelizy-153-1-53-106.w86-205.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:13] talking about main: we need apturl in main as well ... ubufox depends on it for the new plugin install service. [10:13] norsetto: electrostatics. [10:13] do i need to do something formally or will this happen semi-automatically? [10:13] asac: sounds like something that should not be a depends, but rather a recommends? [10:14] Hobbsee: sure ;-) [10:14] Mithrandir: should be in main anyway [10:14] hmm that would require new code (testing if apturl exists and if not don't show apt results) ... because if apturl is not installed the plugin install will not work [10:14] bah. why cant my computer get power over the wireless or something, so as not to require a cord? [10:14] cjwatson: true dat. [10:14] Hobbsee: it could, but staying close to it would not be advisable in that case. [10:14] asac: I asked pitti about that yesterday ... [10:14] Hobbsee: because getting power by wireless would probably not be good for you ;) [10:15] hmmm.... [10:15] asac: normally speaking it needs somebody to prod https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuMainInclusionQueue, and then get an authorised person to approve and promote it [10:15] asac: there still needs to be a MIR for it === Hobbsee counts her lives. 7 left. [10:15] i'll risk it. [10:15] seb128: can we make pkg-config --variable=pyexecdir pygtk-2.0 give out a python 2.5 path? [10:15] Hobbsee: there are designs for wireless power around ... [10:15] pitti: do we need MIR for our own development? [10:15] neat! [10:15] cjwatson: something else than microwaves or ridiculously strong magnetic fields? === jumpula7 [i=jussi@smooth.piipiip.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:16] they're still kind of in the "article in scientific journal" stage rather than the "product on shelf" stage [10:16] pitti: last article I read was safe around humans, at any rate [10:16] Mithrandir: that looks like a good idea [10:16] even if it's still academic it would be interesting to see a method that doesn't make your watch stick on the emitter, or fries your brain [10:17] http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/6129460.stm [10:17] EM wave resonance [10:18] pitti: i always understood that MIRs are needed to evaluate if we can provide support for packages ... which should be true for our own development imo. [10:18] asac: that's true, and our own development clearly gets a pass over a lot of that stuff, but they're still a useful record of why stuff ended up in main [10:19] "so, this thing we developed two years ago - what was it for exactly?" [10:19] you'd be surprised sometimes ;) [10:19] cjwatson: interesting, thanks for the link [10:19] cjwatson: ok === chand [n=rsamson@hoth.linagora.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Nicke [n=niclasa@ua-83-227-140-135.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:22] asac: thx for your comment in bug 107093, seems it is really HD related [10:23] norsetto: strange thing is that there are others in the bug report that claim the same behaviour ;) [10:24] norsetto: please drop that info to the bug ... i will then try to carefully review what is *really* left of those claims :) [10:24] asac: well, maybe its not just that make/model, perhaps its IDE controller related [10:24] doko_: ping? === dexem [n=dani@14.Red-88-26-177.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ssam [n=sam@87.127.117.246] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jumpula7 is now known as jumpula [10:28] is it possible for a perl hacker to have a look at Bug #130813 apt-mirror is used to save bandwidth for many users/groups/install party [10:31] asac: interesting, on the bug there is another user with the same problem and same IDE controller [10:33] fabbione: pong [10:33]