[12:40] indeed [12:42] I will probably have some free time for the guide in mid September, after I finish my Python project [12:43] but until then, I am not sure if I can commit to anything [12:47] might be best if for Gutsy the packaging guide just gets looked over for stuff that needs to be updated [12:47] and not adding any new content really [12:52] Hmm... I still have my notes about packaging lying around. [12:53] I think I will polish them up, and put them in the guide [12:55] and I still have a half written blog post "Debian Packaging 101 (Part 2)" [12:55] in which, I mostly talk about creating a good packaging environment === j1mc [n=jim@adsl-75-21-70-148.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === merriam [n=merriam@82-133-115-120.dyn.gotadsl.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-doc === tck [n=tck@213-202-177-23.bas504.dsl.esat.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === bhuvan [n=bhuvan@ubuntu/member/bhuvan] has joined #ubuntu-doc === udienzMahyuddin [i=cb82f4ce@gateway/web/cgi-irc/ircatwork.com/x-addabad6bb4567c0] has joined #ubuntu-doc === glatzor [n=renate@p57AEE85E.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === DarkRaven [n=dvwyngaa@dsl-243-96-21.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-doc === wyn6_ [n=wyn6@dsl-243-96-21.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-doc === DarkRaven [n=dvwyngaa@dsl-243-96-21.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-doc === ubotu [n=ubotu@ubuntu/bot/ubotu] has joined #ubuntu-doc === atlas95 [n=atlas@AVelizy-153-1-53-106.w86-205.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-doc [09:13] morning all === dsas [n=dean@ubuntu/member/dsas] has joined #ubuntu-doc [09:36] morning [09:36] moin popey [09:36] hiya popey, good move with the screencasts mailing list [09:36] hey dsas, long time no type [09:36] thanks mdke [09:36] is it going well? [09:36] kinda [09:36] i have a major blitz planned [09:36] 30 screencasts in 30 days [09:37] good [09:37] whoa [09:37] we haven't got anywhere to adding links in the documentation [09:37] zero to hero [09:37] do you fancy preparing a list of suitable screencasts to be added? [09:37] funny you should say that mdke :) [09:38] it was suggested to me that screencasts should be more integral to apps [09:38] then we'll get our minions *cough* docuMENTORS on the job === popey is writing a spec === bhuvan [n=bhuvan@ubuntu/member/bhuvan] has joined #ubuntu-doc [09:38] popey: right. But adding links to the documentation is something easy we can probably do now [09:39] sure, but only once there is content? [09:39] and there is currently very little [09:39] yes, of course. [09:39] oh, ok [09:39] i.e. I would wait until there was a critical mass, if that makes sense [09:40] popey: ok, let us know how it goes :) [09:40] wilco [09:40] i have a meeting at canonical tomorrow about it [09:40] oh rly [09:40] hopefully it can be moved on a bit [09:40] ya rly [09:40] brekkie time! [09:40] about integrating them into the desktop? [09:41] yes [09:41] nice [09:41] interesting to get a balance between screencasts and documentation [09:41] agreed [09:41] good luck with that [09:42] and let us know how it goes :) [09:42] sure [09:43] popey: if we could find a way to integrate videos with yelp, then we could integrate both documentation and screencasts alongside each other better into the desktop === mdke -> work :( [09:47] popey: Indeed :) I've finished at uni now, so I've got a real job and I'm back living close to Sara, so I've cut down my involvement in many things Ubuntu. [09:50] ahh, the influence of real life :) === Liz [n=liz@203.118.187.170] has joined #ubuntu-doc [09:51] aye :), someones started an nderbys LUG though, so maybe Real Life and Linux will merge more closely again. [09:54] Ubuntu Documentation: mantha * r4288 debian/changelog: committed changelog for 7.07.2 upload === atlas95 [n=atlas@AVelizy-153-1-53-106.w86-205.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-doc === TLE [n=kenneth@217.74.211.126] has joined #ubuntu-doc === atlas95 [n=atlas@AVelizy-153-1-53-106.w86-205.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Liz [n=liz@203.118.187.170] has joined #ubuntu-doc === jjesse_ [n=jjesse@64.186.55.234] has joined #ubuntu-doc === tck [n=tck@213-202-177-23.bas504.dsl.esat.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === atlas95 [n=atlas@AVelizy-153-1-53-106.w86-205.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-doc === jjesse__ [n=jjesse@64.186.55.234] has joined #ubuntu-doc === fijam [n=fijam@unaffiliated/fijam] has joined #ubuntu-doc === bhuvan [n=bhuvan@ubuntu/member/bhuvan] has joined #ubuntu-doc [02:26] http://ask.metafilter.com/69793/ [02:31] clonezilla is the way to go for something like this === Gwaihir [n=Gwaihir@ubuntu/member/gwaihir] has joined #ubuntu-doc [02:37] mdke: is there a way of having a bzr checkout of gnome-user-docs/ubuntu-change in some sort of tarball? I'm behind a dial-up and in 3 hours I've seen no progress... [02:59] Gwaihir: are you doing a bzr branch or bzr checkout? i thought i read bzr checkout is faster cause you don't download the history? [02:59] I'm doing a bzr checkout... [03:00] hmm don't know for sure if there is a tarball [03:00] If it's faster than bzr branch... I don't know how slow should it be... [03:01] anyway... i'll wait and see... :) [03:05] hmmm... I'll stop and restart... I see there's a --lightweight option that maybe could useful... [03:18] "Lightweight checkouts depend on access to the branch for every operation." [03:19] So if you use --lightweight, your commits will take longer (on dial-up, probably much longer) [03:20] and so will your merges [03:21] If you want to invest some time (and learning) now to make branching faster, I suggest setting up a local repository [03:21] see "bzr init-repository --help" [03:21] I'll check it out... [03:22] Then create your branches within the repository === mpt hopes he's not talking nonsense === jjesse understands [03:23] http://bazaar-vcs.org/SharedRepositoryTutorial [03:24] oh.. that's a good resource... [03:26] If you maintain a local copy of mainline, you can make each new branch from that, rather than branching from Launchpad each time [03:27] That should cut your branching time down to a minute or less [03:27] got it... (think and hope) easier to maintain with a dial-up... [03:28] then you can run "bzr pull" on your copy of mainline, when convenient, to update it [03:28] (The longer you leave it without updating, the more likely your branches will have conflicts when people try to merge them) [03:30] Sorry, by "mainline" I mean "trunk" [03:30] yes... I'm starting to know bzr now... and made a little confusion with terminology coming from SVN [03:53] if I lost the connection or have to shutdown the PC... how am I supposed to restart branching? simply by bzr branch http://... again from inside the directory? [04:02] i don't know, but i think so [04:10] I'll ask on #bzr ;) === atlas95_ [n=atlas@AVelizy-153-1-57-164.w86-217.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-doc === greg-g [n=greg@unaffiliated/greg-g] has joined #ubuntu-doc [04:47] Ubuntu Documentation: lucius * r4289 xubuntu/switching/C/applications.xml: patch from george [04:55] Ubuntu Documentation: lucius * r4290 xubuntu/printing/C/printing.xml: other patch by george [05:01] Ubuntu Documentation: lucius * r4291 xubuntu/switching/C/applications.xml: oops, i missed that george provided a slightly updated version of his first patch, so here comes the update === wyn9 [n=wyn9@dsl-243-112-80.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-doc === tck [n=tck@213-202-140-94.bas502.dsl.esat.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === atlas95 [n=atlas@AVelizy-153-1-57-164.w86-217.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-doc === TLE [n=kenneth@217.74.211.126] has joined #ubuntu-doc === zenrox [i=zenrox@pool-71-115-208-222.spknwa.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc [06:56] hey all. I was following: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocumentationTeam/Contribute and when I get the the make part it works fine. [06:56] except the links to the server documentation area ping to genhelp:basic-commands [06:56] just wondering if there's something I've done wrong? [06:57] point/ping === ubotu [n=ubotu@ubuntu/bot/ubotu] has joined #ubuntu-doc [07:39] sommer: that's normal; nothing you've done wrong. [07:47] mdke: ah...I updated the mail.xml file Dovecot section and I was testing to make sure everything looks good. [07:47] is there another way to view that content in a browser? [07:47] sommer: best way is to view the xml file directly in Yelp [07:48] mdke: okay, I did that and everything looks good. [07:48] :) [07:48] should the contrib page be updated? [07:48] sommer: the other thing is to check the document using the validate.sh script [07:49] sommer: sure, you can include that in your patch if you like [07:50] mdke: cool thanks for your help. [07:51] thanks for your efforts === jjesse [n=jjesse@64.186.55.234] has joined #ubuntu-doc === atlas95 [n=atlas@84.6.161.254] has joined #ubuntu-doc === DarkRaven [n=dvwyngaa@dsl-243-112-80.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-doc === wyn1 [n=wyn1@dsl-243-112-80.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-doc === LaserJock [n=mantha@ubuntu/member/laserjock] has joined #ubuntu-doc === jjesse_ [n=jjesse@64.186.55.234] has joined #ubuntu-doc [09:16] mdke: "There are 27 direct members of the "Ubuntu Documentation Project" team, and 73 people are members in total, directly and indirectly" is that going to cause problems if we use ~ubuntu-doc for access control? [09:18] LaserJock: I don't know, but we'd certainly have to think about the appropriate way to structure things. === atlas95 [n=atlas@84.6.161.254] has joined #ubuntu-doc === tck [n=tck@213-202-140-94.bas502.dsl.esat.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === froud [n=sean@dsl-242-172-114.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-doc === jjesse [n=jjesse@adsl-67-36-62-55.dsl.klmzmi.ameritech.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === CIA-33 [n=CIA@208.69.182.149] has joined #ubuntu-doc === tck [n=tck@213-202-140-94.bas502.dsl.esat.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc [11:56] Ubuntu Documentation: lucius * r4292 xubuntu/libs/xubuntu.ent: update location of thunar and terminal in the applications menu. closes LP #132462 [11:56] Launchpad bug 132462 in ubuntu-doc "Xubuntu help list terminal located at Application>System>Terminal" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/132462 [12:18] ooo i love it when bugs get closed :) === jrib [n=jrib@upstream/dev/jrib] has joined #ubuntu-doc [12:20] is wiki.ubuntu.com not aware of the help.ubuntu.com/community wiki? I can't find it on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/InterWiki === astro76 [n=james@unaffiliated/astro76] has joined #ubuntu-doc [12:21] no, they are separate, I believe completely [12:21] hi jjesse [12:23] but wiki.ubuntu.com is aware of wikis like PythonWiki. Is there a reason not to allow InterWiki links from wiki.ubuntu.com to help.ubuntu.com/community? [12:23] hiya LaserJock [12:24] jrib: I guess we never thought of it [12:24] jrib: they are supposed to be pretty orthogonal [12:24] jrib: but maybe ask the list, it's a good question [12:25] help.ubuntu.com/community does have wiki.ubuntu.com in its InterWiki page so I found it strange [12:25] LaserJock: thanks, I'll mail ubuntu-doc about it then [12:26] ah, well I doubt wiki.ubuntu.com has been touched much since the wiki was split [12:42] for a note is it text