[12:40] <theCore> indeed
[12:42] <theCore> I will probably have some free time for the guide in mid September, after I finish my Python project
[12:43] <theCore> but until then, I am not sure if I can commit to anything
[12:47] <LaserJock> might be best if for Gutsy the packaging guide just gets looked over for stuff that needs to be updated
[12:47] <LaserJock> and not adding any new content really
[12:52] <theCore> Hmm... I still have my notes about packaging lying around.
[12:53] <theCore> I think I will polish them up, and put them in the guide
[12:55] <theCore> and I still have a half written blog post "Debian Packaging 101 (Part 2)"
[12:55] <theCore> in which, I mostly talk about creating a good packaging environment
[09:13] <mdke> morning all
[09:36] <popey> morning
[09:36] <dsas> moin popey
[09:36] <mdke> hiya popey, good move with the screencasts mailing list
[09:36] <popey> hey dsas, long time no type
[09:36] <popey> thanks mdke
[09:36] <mdke> is it going well?
[09:36] <popey> kinda
[09:36] <popey> i have a major blitz planned
[09:36] <popey> 30 screencasts in 30 days
[09:37] <mdke> good
[09:37] <mdke> whoa
[09:37] <mdke> we haven't got anywhere to adding links in the documentation
[09:37] <popey> zero to hero
[09:37] <mdke> do you fancy preparing a list of suitable screencasts to be added?
[09:37] <popey> funny you should say that mdke :)
[09:38] <popey> it was suggested to me that screencasts should be more integral to apps
[09:38] <mdke> then we'll get our minions *cough* docuMENTORS on the job
[09:38] <mdke> popey: right. But adding links to the documentation is something easy we can probably do now
[09:39] <popey> sure, but only once there is content?
[09:39] <popey> and there is currently very little
[09:39] <mdke> yes, of course.
[09:39] <mdke> oh, ok
[09:39] <popey> i.e. I would wait until there was a critical mass, if that makes sense
[09:40] <mdke> popey: ok, let us know how it goes :)
[09:40] <popey> wilco
[09:40] <popey> i have a meeting at canonical tomorrow about it
[09:40] <mdke> oh rly
[09:40] <popey> hopefully it can be moved on a bit
[09:40] <popey> ya rly
[09:40] <popey> brekkie time!
[09:40] <mdke> about integrating them into the desktop?
[09:41] <popey> yes
[09:41] <mdke> nice
[09:41] <mdke> interesting to get a balance between screencasts and documentation
[09:41] <popey> agreed
[09:41] <mdke> good luck with that
[09:42] <mdke> and let us know how it goes :)
[09:42] <popey> sure
[09:43] <mdke> popey: if we could find a way to integrate videos with yelp, then we could integrate both documentation and screencasts alongside each other better into the desktop
[09:47] <dsas> popey: Indeed :) I've finished at uni now, so I've got a real job and I'm back living close to Sara, so I've cut down my involvement in many things Ubuntu.
[09:50] <popey> ahh, the influence of real life :)
[09:51] <dsas> aye :), someones started an nderbys LUG though, so maybe Real Life and Linux will merge more closely again.
[09:54] <CIA-32> Ubuntu Documentation: mantha * r4288 debian/changelog: committed changelog for 7.07.2 upload
[02:26] <mpt> http://ask.metafilter.com/69793/
[02:31] <nixternal> clonezilla is the way to go for something like this
[02:37] <Gwaihir> mdke: is there a way of having a bzr checkout of gnome-user-docs/ubuntu-change in some sort of tarball? I'm behind a dial-up and in 3 hours I've seen no progress...
[02:59] <jjesse> Gwaihir: are you doing a bzr branch or bzr checkout?  i thought i read bzr checkout is faster cause you don't download the history?
[02:59] <Gwaihir> I'm doing a bzr checkout...
[03:00] <jjesse> hmm don't know for sure if there is a tarball
[03:00] <Gwaihir> If it's faster than bzr branch... I don't know how slow should it be...
[03:01] <Gwaihir> anyway... i'll wait and see... :)
[03:05] <Gwaihir> hmmm... I'll stop and restart... I see there's a --lightweight option that maybe could useful...
[03:18] <mpt> "Lightweight checkouts depend on access to the branch for every operation."
[03:19] <mpt> So if you use --lightweight, your commits will take longer (on dial-up, probably much longer)
[03:20] <mpt> and so will your merges
[03:21] <mpt> If you want to invest some time (and learning) now to make branching faster, I suggest setting up a local repository
[03:21] <mpt> see "bzr init-repository --help"
[03:21] <Gwaihir> I'll check it out...
[03:22] <mpt> Then create your branches within the repository
[03:23] <mpt> http://bazaar-vcs.org/SharedRepositoryTutorial
[03:24] <Gwaihir> oh.. that's a good resource...
[03:26] <mpt> If you maintain a local copy of mainline, you can make each new branch from that, rather than branching from Launchpad each time
[03:27] <mpt> That should cut your branching time down to a minute or less
[03:27] <Gwaihir> got it... (think and hope) easier to maintain with a dial-up...
[03:28] <mpt> then you can run "bzr pull" on your copy of mainline, when convenient, to update it
[03:28] <mpt> (The longer you leave it without updating, the more likely your branches will have conflicts when people try to merge them)
[03:30] <mpt> Sorry, by "mainline" I mean "trunk"
[03:30] <Gwaihir> yes... I'm starting to know bzr now... and made a little confusion with terminology coming from SVN
[03:53] <Gwaihir> if I lost the connection or have to shutdown the PC... how am I supposed to restart branching? simply by bzr branch http://... again from inside the directory?
[04:02] <jjesse> i don't know, but i think so
[04:10] <Gwaihir> I'll ask on #bzr ;)
[04:47] <CIA-32> Ubuntu Documentation: lucius * r4289 xubuntu/switching/C/applications.xml: patch from george
[04:55] <CIA-32> Ubuntu Documentation: lucius * r4290 xubuntu/printing/C/printing.xml: other patch by george
[05:01] <CIA-32> Ubuntu Documentation: lucius * r4291 xubuntu/switching/C/applications.xml: oops, i missed that george provided a slightly updated version of his first patch, so here comes the update
[06:56] <sommer> hey all.  I was following: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocumentationTeam/Contribute and when I get the the make part it works fine.
[06:56] <sommer> except the links to the server documentation area ping to genhelp:basic-commands
[06:56] <sommer> just wondering if there's something I've done wrong?
[06:57] <sommer> point/ping
[07:39] <mdke> sommer: that's normal; nothing you've done wrong.
[07:47] <sommer> mdke: ah...I updated the mail.xml file Dovecot section and I was testing to make sure everything looks good.
[07:47] <sommer> is there another way to view that content in a browser?
[07:47] <mdke> sommer: best way is to view the xml file directly in Yelp
[07:48] <sommer> mdke: okay, I did that and everything looks good.
[07:48] <mdke> :)
[07:48] <sommer> should the contrib page be updated?
[07:48] <mdke> sommer: the other thing is to check the document using the validate.sh script
[07:49] <mdke> sommer: sure, you can include that in your patch if you like
[07:50] <sommer> mdke: cool thanks for your help.
[07:51] <mdke> thanks for your efforts
[09:16] <LaserJock> mdke: "There are 27 direct members of the "Ubuntu Documentation Project" team, and 73 people are members in total, directly and indirectly" is that going to cause problems if we use ~ubuntu-doc for access control?
[09:18] <mdke> LaserJock: I don't know, but we'd certainly have to think about the appropriate way to structure things.
[11:56] <CIA-33> Ubuntu Documentation: lucius * r4292 xubuntu/libs/xubuntu.ent: update location of thunar and terminal in the applications menu. closes LP #132462
[11:56] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 132462 in ubuntu-doc "Xubuntu help list terminal located at Application>System>Terminal" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/132462
[12:18] <jjesse> ooo i love it when bugs get closed :)
[12:20] <jrib> is wiki.ubuntu.com not aware of the help.ubuntu.com/community wiki?  I can't find it on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/InterWiki
[12:21] <LaserJock> no, they are separate, I believe completely
[12:21] <LaserJock> hi jjesse
[12:23] <jrib> but wiki.ubuntu.com is aware of wikis like PythonWiki.  Is there a reason not to allow InterWiki links from wiki.ubuntu.com to help.ubuntu.com/community?
[12:23] <jjesse> hiya LaserJock
[12:24] <LaserJock> jrib: I guess we never thought of it
[12:24] <LaserJock> jrib: they are supposed to be pretty orthogonal
[12:24] <LaserJock> jrib: but maybe ask the list, it's a good question
[12:25] <jrib> help.ubuntu.com/community does have wiki.ubuntu.com in its InterWiki page so I found it strange
[12:25] <jrib> LaserJock: thanks, I'll mail ubuntu-doc about it then
[12:26] <LaserJock> ah, well I doubt wiki.ubuntu.com has been touched much since the wiki was split
[12:42] <jjesse> for a note is it <note> <para>text</para></note>