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| sanzky | hi, does anyone knows if sun-java6 has some problem with the keyboard under feisty? | 05:59 |
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| sanzky | i have problems with many applications not responding to keyboard | 05:59 |
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| marcin_ant | hi all | 10:20 |
| marcin_ant | I got a question: why eclipse *.jar files goes to /usr/lib/eclipse/* while debian java policy says that architecture independent files should go to /usr/share not /usr/lib | 10:22 |
| marcin_ant | ? | 10:22 |
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| doko | marcin_ant: these are jars containing binaries | 10:52 |
| marcin_ant | doko: you mean *.class files? | 10:53 |
| doko | no, so | 10:53 |
| marcin_ant | right - jars with *.so files should go to /usr/lib other to /usr/share | 10:54 |
| marcin_ant | doko: so? am I right or not? | 10:56 |
| doko | ? | 10:56 |
| marcin_ant | doko: am I right that architecture independent jar's should go to /usr/share/eclipse not to /usr/lib/* ? | 11:00 |
| doko | marcin_ant: which ones, and why are the arch-indep? | 11:01 |
| marcin_ant | doko: imho almost all eclipse plugins are arch-indep | 11:02 |
| doko | and? | 11:03 |
| man-di | marcin_ant: in general you are right, but eclipse is and its osgi impl is very special | 11:03 |
| marcin_ant | doko: only these with *gtk.linux.x86.* in their name are platform dependent | 11:03 |
| man-di | marcin_ant: we had split that into /usr/lib and /usr/share in the past and this gave much problems | 11:03 |
| man-di | marcin_ant: that was why we move alled into /usr/lib again | 11:04 |
| marcin_ant | man-di: hmm if you say so | 11:10 |
| marcin_ant | man-di: then another question - why do you keep images and other simmilar files in their original localizations (and then in /usr/lib) and override lintian warnings instead of moving these files to /usr/share/pixmaps and symlink to original? | 11:11 |
| man-di | same problem | 11:12 |
| man-di | eclipse osgi insists on all being in /usr/lib/eclipse | 11:13 |
| man-di | and this way its easier to handle for all | 11:13 |
| man-di | its know that this is not really FHS conform | 11:13 |
| man-di | but it works | 11:13 |
| man-di | afaik OOo does handle this similar, at leat in Debian | 11:14 |
| doko | marcin_ant: why don't you just help packaging 3.3 instead of insisting on policy conformance? ;-P | 11:14 |
| man-di | marcin_ant: if you want to help join pkg-java on alioth | 11:15 |
| marcin_ant | doko: can you give me some info how to help? | 11:16 |
| doko | marcin_ant: man-di and vil would know better. build-deps need to be packaged, then eclipse 3.3 | 11:17 |
| man-di | marcin_ant: we are currently work on jetty and lucene | 11:18 |
| marcin_ant | hmm I really don't know what is the problem I got my own packages with eclipse 3.3 up and running | 11:19 |
| man-di | marcin_ant: a good helper would be to get icedtea into debian/ubuntu | 11:20 |
| man-di | marcin_ant: the main problem is that get the build-dependecies right to get eclipse 3.3 build and running | 11:20 |
| marcin_ant | man-di: well iced-tea afaik is far away from something far from usable and I don't really have time to spend on something that I cannot use | 11:21 |
| marcin_ant | man-di: I could prepare packages for various eclipse plugins instead of iced-tea | 11:21 |
| marcin_ant | man-di: hmm I got jars with lucene and jetty... | 11:23 |
| man-di | marcin_ant: eclipse runs better on icedtea then on gcj | 11:23 |
| man-di | and for eclipse plugins we need first eclipse 3.3 | 11:23 |
| man-di | feel to package plugins for 3.3 now but dont upload them into some official repo | 11:23 |
| marcin_ant | hmm weird - you compile eclipse with ecj right? not with gcj or sun java directly - am I wrong? | 11:24 |
| man-di | rigth | 11:25 |
| man-di | but ecj is executed with gcj | 11:25 |
| man-di | when I meant was runing eclipse. not building | 11:26 |
| man-di | s/when/what/ | 11:26 |
| marcin_ant | man-di: just a moment I need to try :) | 11:27 |
| man-di | marcin_ant: there are lots of GCJ specific bug reports for eclipse | 11:28 |
| marcin_ant | right my package doesn't want to work with gcj | 11:37 |
| marcin_ant | something with equinox launcher - bu to be honest - I don't care | 11:38 |
| marcin_ant | if I got sun-java6 in universe then I will use it | 11:49 |
| man-di | sun-java6 will never be in universe | 11:50 |
| man-di | icedtea/openjdk will (or in main, I dont know) | 11:50 |
| marcin_ant | man-di: oh then in multiverse - who cares ;) | 11:51 |
| man-di | marcin_ant: its in multiverse since a long time | 11:51 |
| marcin_ant | so better idea than fighting with gcj is to prepare good packages that will run with sun-java6 right now and with openjdk/iced-tea in future | 11:52 |
| man-di | making eclipse build with sun java6 would mean to move it to multiverse, which is a nogo | 11:53 |
| man-di | and as I said already, building is not the problem | 11:53 |
| marcin_ant | man-di: imho it's better to have eclipse-3.3 in multiverse than no eclipse-3.3 at all | 11:53 |
| man-di | marcin_ant: feel free to do, but not with the eclipse package | 11:54 |
| man-di | marcin_ant: and again: building with gcj ist not the problem, currently the dependencies are | 11:55 |
| marcin_ant | man-di: I know - in fact you build eclipse with ecj... | 11:59 |
| man-di | you should really start to read what I write | 12:00 |
| marcin_ant | I do - but be honest do you know anyone that runs eclipse with gcj (and for _work_ not for fun) while there is sun-java widely available and runs a loooot faster? | 12:02 |
| man-di | I do | 12:04 |
| marcin_ant | man-di: while I am very happy that I can run eclipse 3.2 with gcj I still switch to sun-java because I need to do my job | 12:04 |
| marcin_ant | man-di: you have very fast machine don't you ;) ? | 12:04 |
| man-di | I do, but I use it on an old Athlon 1.2 Ghz too | 12:05 |
| marcin_ant | man-di: and you are happy with it's performance on gcj? | 12:06 |
| man-di | yes | 12:06 |
| man-di | its okay to use | 12:07 |
| marcin_ant | how much ram do you have on this athlon? | 12:07 |
| man-di | of course you need to make sure the -gcj packages are installed | 12:07 |
| man-di | 1GB | 12:07 |
| marcin_ant | man-di: I got duron 1,8 with 1GB and eclipse on gcj with aptana is impossible to use, with sun-java I would say that it's minimal configuration | 12:08 |
| man-di | marcin_ant: did you isntalled the -gcj packages? I guess not | 12:09 |
| marcin_ant | I did | 12:09 |
| marcin_ant | "vanilla" eclipse is ok | 12:10 |
| man-di | I have never seen big problems regarding speed with native eclipse with gcj | 12:11 |
| man-di | anyway, lunch time | 12:11 |
| marcin_ant | but believe me - with some plugins and especially when you open help system ( with tomcat) I need to wait to see what I wrote on keyboard | 12:12 |
| marcin_ant | and I can forget about usable 'intellisense' because it's useless when I need to wait for code completion longer than I could write code for myself | 12:21 |
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