=== nixster [n=nic@c83-251-55-110.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #ubuntu-java === doko_ [n=doko@dslb-088-073-072-249.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-java === xhaker [n=xhaker@83-223-181-94.cpe.netmadeira.com] has joined #ubuntu-java === jamesstansell [n=james@h25.186.91.75.ip.alltel.net] has joined #ubuntu-java === AfC [n=andrew@office.syd.operationaldynamics.com] has joined #ubuntu-java === sanzky [n=santiago@189.131.64.70] has joined #ubuntu-java [05:59] hi, does anyone knows if sun-java6 has some problem with the keyboard under feisty? [05:59] i have problems with many applications not responding to keyboard === netjoined: irc.freenode.net -> kubrick.freenode.net === nixster [n=nic@c83-251-55-110.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #ubuntu-java === nixster [n=nic@c83-251-55-110.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #ubuntu-java [10:20] hi all [10:22] I got a question: why eclipse *.jar files goes to /usr/lib/eclipse/* while debian java policy says that architecture independent files should go to /usr/share not /usr/lib [10:22] ? === dharrigan [n=david@host12.williamhill.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-java === kmxdot [n=skald@208.104.151.215] has joined #ubuntu-java [10:52] marcin_ant: these are jars containing binaries [10:53] doko: you mean *.class files? [10:53] no, so [10:54] right - jars with *.so files should go to /usr/lib other to /usr/share [10:56] doko: so? am I right or not? [10:56] ? [11:00] doko: am I right that architecture independent jar's should go to /usr/share/eclipse not to /usr/lib/* ? [11:01] marcin_ant: which ones, and why are the arch-indep? [11:02] doko: imho almost all eclipse plugins are arch-indep [11:03] and? [11:03] marcin_ant: in general you are right, but eclipse is and its osgi impl is very special [11:03] doko: only these with *gtk.linux.x86.* in their name are platform dependent [11:03] marcin_ant: we had split that into /usr/lib and /usr/share in the past and this gave much problems [11:04] marcin_ant: that was why we move alled into /usr/lib again [11:10] man-di: hmm if you say so [11:11] man-di: then another question - why do you keep images and other simmilar files in their original localizations (and then in /usr/lib) and override lintian warnings instead of moving these files to /usr/share/pixmaps and symlink to original? [11:12] same problem [11:13] eclipse osgi insists on all being in /usr/lib/eclipse [11:13] and this way its easier to handle for all [11:13] its know that this is not really FHS conform [11:13] but it works [11:14] afaik OOo does handle this similar, at leat in Debian [11:14] marcin_ant: why don't you just help packaging 3.3 instead of insisting on policy conformance? ;-P [11:15] marcin_ant: if you want to help join pkg-java on alioth [11:16] doko: can you give me some info how to help? [11:17] marcin_ant: man-di and vil would know better. build-deps need to be packaged, then eclipse 3.3 [11:18] marcin_ant: we are currently work on jetty and lucene [11:19] hmm I really don't know what is the problem I got my own packages with eclipse 3.3 up and running [11:20] marcin_ant: a good helper would be to get icedtea into debian/ubuntu [11:20] marcin_ant: the main problem is that get the build-dependecies right to get eclipse 3.3 build and running [11:21] man-di: well iced-tea afaik is far away from something far from usable and I don't really have time to spend on something that I cannot use [11:21] man-di: I could prepare packages for various eclipse plugins instead of iced-tea [11:23] man-di: hmm I got jars with lucene and jetty... [11:23] marcin_ant: eclipse runs better on icedtea then on gcj [11:23] and for eclipse plugins we need first eclipse 3.3 [11:23] feel to package plugins for 3.3 now but dont upload them into some official repo [11:24] hmm weird - you compile eclipse with ecj right? not with gcj or sun java directly - am I wrong? [11:25] rigth [11:25] but ecj is executed with gcj [11:26] when I meant was runing eclipse. not building [11:26] s/when/what/ [11:27] man-di: just a moment I need to try :) [11:28] marcin_ant: there are lots of GCJ specific bug reports for eclipse [11:37] right my package doesn't want to work with gcj [11:38] something with equinox launcher - bu to be honest - I don't care [11:49] if I got sun-java6 in universe then I will use it [11:50] sun-java6 will never be in universe [11:50] icedtea/openjdk will (or in main, I dont know) [11:51] man-di: oh then in multiverse - who cares ;) [11:51] marcin_ant: its in multiverse since a long time [11:52] so better idea than fighting with gcj is to prepare good packages that will run with sun-java6 right now and with openjdk/iced-tea in future [11:53] making eclipse build with sun java6 would mean to move it to multiverse, which is a nogo [11:53] and as I said already, building is not the problem [11:53] man-di: imho it's better to have eclipse-3.3 in multiverse than no eclipse-3.3 at all [11:54] marcin_ant: feel free to do, but not with the eclipse package [11:55] marcin_ant: and again: building with gcj ist not the problem, currently the dependencies are [11:59] man-di: I know - in fact you build eclipse with ecj... [12:00] you should really start to read what I write [12:02] I do - but be honest do you know anyone that runs eclipse with gcj (and for _work_ not for fun) while there is sun-java widely available and runs a loooot faster? [12:04] I do [12:04] man-di: while I am very happy that I can run eclipse 3.2 with gcj I still switch to sun-java because I need to do my job [12:04] man-di: you have very fast machine don't you ;) ? [12:05] I do, but I use it on an old Athlon 1.2 Ghz too [12:06] man-di: and you are happy with it's performance on gcj? [12:06] yes [12:07] its okay to use [12:07] how much ram do you have on this athlon? [12:07] of course you need to make sure the -gcj packages are installed [12:07] 1GB [12:08] man-di: I got duron 1,8 with 1GB and eclipse on gcj with aptana is impossible to use, with sun-java I would say that it's minimal configuration [12:09] marcin_ant: did you isntalled the -gcj packages? I guess not [12:09] I did [12:10] "vanilla" eclipse is ok [12:11] I have never seen big problems regarding speed with native eclipse with gcj [12:11] anyway, lunch time [12:12] but believe me - with some plugins and especially when you open help system ( with tomcat) I need to wait to see what I wrote on keyboard [12:21] and I can forget about usable 'intellisense' because it's useless when I need to wait for code completion longer than I could write code for myself === xhaker [n=xhaker@83-223-185-138.cpe.netmadeira.com] has joined #ubuntu-java === marcin_ant [n=marcin@194.114.146.126] has joined #ubuntu-java === tmarble [i=tmarble@nat/sun/x-b479e327ed49f934] has joined #ubuntu-java === jamesstansell [n=james@wsip-24-249-157-103.tu.ok.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu-java === xhaker [n=xhaker@83-223-185-138.cpe.netmadeira.com] has joined #ubuntu-java === jamesstansell [n=james@adsl-209-184-36-173.dsl.tulsok.swbell.net] has joined #ubuntu-java === jamesstansell_ [n=james@wsip-24-249-157-103.tu.ok.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu-java === xhaker [n=xhaker@83-223-185-138.cpe.netmadeira.com] has joined #ubuntu-java === jamesstansell_ is now known as jamesstansell === Nicke [n=niclasa@ua-83-227-140-135.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #ubuntu-java === marcin_ant [n=marcin@194.114.146.126] has joined #ubuntu-java === AndyP [n=andyp@ubuntu/member/welshbyte] has joined #ubuntu-java