[08:59] <kraut> moin
[02:01] <ogra> anyone here ?
[02:01] <juliux> hey ogra
[02:02] <juliux> @schedule
[02:02] <RichEd> hi all ... start in 1 min ...
[02:02] <juliux> ogra, ubotu is not here;)
[02:02] <ogra> ah
[02:03] <RichEd> Okay ... here is a test version of the agenda for Edubuntu-Devel ... the old tech part of the 2 hour meeting.
[02:03] <RichEd>     *
[02:03] <RichEd>       Technical
[02:03] <RichEd>           o
[02:03] <RichEd>             Where are we in the development cycle:
[02:03] <RichEd>                 +
[02:03] <RichEd>                   What was the last deadline ?
[02:03] <RichEd>                       #
[02:03] <RichEd>                         Item
[02:03] <RichEd>                       #
[02:03] <RichEd>                         Date
[02:03] <RichEd>                 +
[02:03] <RichEd>                   What is the next deadline ?
[02:03] <RichEd>                       #
[02:03] <RichEd>                         Item
[02:03] <RichEd>                       #
[02:03] <RichEd>                         Date
[02:03] <RichEd>           o
[02:03] <RichEd>             Progress over the last week
[02:03] <RichEd>           o
[02:03] <RichEd>             Items needing to be sorted out for the next deadline
[02:03] <RichEd>           o
[02:03] <RichEd>             Issues needing assistance for the next deadline
[02:03] <RichEd>           o
[02:03] <RichEd>             Any Other Items under Artwork
[02:03] <RichEd>           o
[02:04] <RichEd>             Any Other Items under Documentation
[02:04] <RichEd>           o
[02:04] <RichEd>             Planned Activities for coming week
[02:04] <RichEd> let's try this out today and see if it works ... I'll drive the agenda.
[02:04] <RichEd> ogra: Where are we in the development cycle ?
[02:04] <RichEd> What was the last deadline ?
[02:04] <RichEd> Item
[02:04] <RichEd> Date
[02:04] <RichEd> ??
[02:04] <RichEd> sorry about the shody paste ... wiki cut & paste adds line breaks :(
[02:04] <RichEd> *shoddy
[02:05] <ogra> well, lets see if my paste is better then :)
[02:05] <ogra> == General ==
[02:05] <ogra> Done:
[02:05] <ogra> - lots of screensaver fixing for thin client usage (fixed several crashers, no graphics intensive modes being used anymore and no fading)
[02:05] <ogra> - lots of merges and code reviews of ltsp/ldm code (still more ahead)
[02:05] <ogra> - set spec staus where possible (see list below)
[02:05] <ogra> Ahead:
[02:05] <ogra> - TCM needs a lot of love (fixing the userlist functions to get it going with new ldm, easier vnc setup for the chroot/image)
[02:05] <ogra> - one massive bug outstanding to be solved before tribe 6 (bug 121547)
[02:05] <ogra> - tribe 5 planned for this thursday, please help tesing
[02:05] <ogra> - poking around with libflashsupport to get it to multiverse (flash sound on thin clients)
[02:06] <ogra> - get moodle status from moquist (no news yet, he contacted pitti about postgres db creation scripts)
[02:06] <ogra> == Specs ==
[02:06] <ogra> Implemented:
[02:06] <ogra> - ltsp-boot-performance
[02:06] <ogra> - ldm-improvements
[02:06] <ogra> - fully-automatic-swapserver
[02:06] <ogra> - ldm-loadbalancing -> vagrant to set status
[02:06] <ogra> Deferred for gutsy+1:
[02:06] <ogra> - ltspfs-virtual-hal-devices
[02:06] <ogra> - gphoto-ltspfs
[02:06] <ogra> - ltsp-update-manager-integration
[02:06] <ogra> - ltsp-management-gui -> (hope to get global settings going at least)
[02:06] <ogra> - ltsp-fat-clients
[02:06] <ogra> - ltsp-local-apps -> sbalneav to set status
[02:06] <ogra> Unknown:
[02:06] <ogra> - ltsp-palm-devices -> sbalneav to report status
[02:06] <ogra> i'll try to maintain such a report in the future, should keep the tech part short
[02:07] <RichEd> that's great :) ... will be easy to make minutes & action list out of that ...
[02:07] <zul> ./topic
[02:07] <zul> sorry
[02:07] <ogra> right
[02:07] <ogra> zul, ubotu is gone, so no topic updates atm ...
[02:07] <RichEd> can we work through my section suggestions ... to see how it fits together ... I still think we need contest as to where we are in the dev cycle (I know I do) :)
[02:07] <ogra> (edubuntu meeting now)
[02:07] <RichEd> What was the last deadline ?
[02:08] <RichEd> What is the next deadline ?
[02:08] <ogra> no idea ?
[02:08] <RichEd> I mean in terms of the dev cycle ... last one was tribe 4 ?
[02:08] <gpocentek> ogra: I think I have a libflashsupport somewhere if it can help
[02:08] <gpocentek> a package*
[02:08] <ogra> last deadline was UVF/feature freeze
[02:09] <ogra> gpocentek, i have one ready already, but it was rejected, the one from the EdubuntuFAQ is horribly packaged
[02:09] <RichEd> ah ... and explain that in 1 sentence for the technically challenged ... what is UVF ?
[02:09] <ogra> i need to get it going with gnutls instead of libssl etc to get it included
[02:09] <gpocentek> ogra: ok
[02:09] <ogra> upstresam version freeze
[02:09] <ogra> nothing new can enter main anymore
[02:09] <RichEd> :) thanks
[02:10] <ogra> (unless you do a bit of paperwork and get a review)
[02:10] <RichEd> and what is the next deadline ... item and date ?
[02:10] <ogra> feture freeze is no new features can be adeed anymore (same exception rules)
[02:10] <ogra> next immediate dealine is tribe5 (thursday)
[02:10] <RichEd> * Items needing to be sorted out for the next deadline ?
[02:10] <ogra> next important deadline is beta release
[02:11] <ogra> bug 121547 needs to be solved before next tribe release
[02:11] <toutouff> I've got a problem with pbuilder, could you help me ?
[02:11] <ogra> (tribe6, archive is friozen this week until tribe5 is out)
[02:11] <ogra> toutouff, we're in the middle of a meeting and this is no support channel, try #ubuntu-motu
[02:12] <toutouff> sorry, wrong channel
[02:12] <toutouff> :/
[02:12] <RichEd> ogra: quick summary of the bug ? and what needs to be done to squash it ?
[02:12] <ogra> i need to rewrite the installed bits for ltsp
[02:13] <RichEd> and will you be able to manage in time for the deadline ?
[02:13] <ogra> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ltsp/+bug/121547
[02:13] <ogra> at least for beta i can guarantee it ... cant promise it for tribe 6
[02:13] <ogra> but i'll do my best
[02:13] <RichEd> * Issues needing assistance for the next deadline ?
[02:13] <ogra> having two tribe releases instead of one before beta doesnt help here :/
[02:14] <RichEd> can anyone help you with that bug or anything else ?
[02:14] <ogra> not wi5th that bug, no
[02:14] <ogra> i listed actions above where others are required
[02:15] <ogra> moodle is still in the clouds, no feedback from mmoquist yet apart from him saying he wants to have it ready
[02:15] <ogra> sbalneav and vagrant need to clean up theoir spec statuses
[02:15] <RichEd> will you prod them, or will it help if i ask nicely as well :)
[02:15] <ogra> beyond that i get all help i can get from scottie during this bugfixing phase
[02:16] <ogra> i'll go after them, all fine
[02:16] <highvoltage> ogra: is vagrant doing full-time ltsp now?
[02:16] <ogra> no
[02:16] <ogra> he's doing freegek
[02:16] <ogra> *freegeek
[02:16] <highvoltage> ah
[02:17] <ogra> he still didnt get his stuff sorted
[02:17] <RichEd> * Any Other Items under Artwork
[02:18] <ogra> anyway, thats all from tech side, any other questions ?
[02:18] <ogra> not yet ... i'll need to tackle the artwork package and do some cleanups .. but thats for tribe6
[02:18] <RichEd> Fine ... Jill mailed to say thanks for the feedback in the meeting last week.
[02:18] <ogra> scott is already preparing docs for the new ltsp stuff we have
[02:19] <RichEd> I mentioned the abstract concept for the default desktop, and she said she would try to complete some she had started.
[02:19] <ogra> good
[02:19] <ogra> i'm fine with the one we have as "young" flavor
[02:19] <RichEd> When is the final freeze for artwork ?
[02:19] <RichEd> official and unofficial ;)
[02:19] <ogra> (the logo could be a bit less in the face though)
[02:20] <RichEd> are you talking about her sample ? the logo comment ?
[02:20] <highvoltage> RichEd: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GutsyReleaseSchedule
[02:20] <ogra> sept 20th is final
[02:20] <ogra> yes
[02:20] <ogra> i'm talking about the sample
[02:20] <RichEd> okay ... i'll add that to the comment page she is working off
[02:20] <ogra> the logo is very huge and to much in the face imho
[02:21] <RichEd> I wanted to give her samples of all of the old default desktops we shipped, but art.ubuntu.com is out of action
[02:21] <RichEd> So I have given her the 2 I have access to ... LTS and feisty
[02:21] <ogra> osdir ususally has a bunch
[02:21] <RichEd> osdir ? not familiar with that ?
[02:21] <ogra> LTS was the chalkboard ...
[02:21] <ogra> osdir.com
[02:21] <RichEd> okay will check for more ...
[02:22] <ogra> edgy and feisty were the best ones we had yet
[02:22] <RichEd> * Any Other Items under Documentation
[02:22] <ogra> as i said, scott is on it and i'll review
[02:22] <RichEd> okay ... is that it for tech then ? anyone with questions ?
[02:23] <RichEd> Okay .... some general discussion for people who are interested:
[02:23] <RichEd> * how do we get more users at the meeting ?
[02:24] <RichEd> I can advertise in the mail list, but I need to get an idea of what topics will pull people in to attend.
[02:24] <juliux> RichEd, for me one meeting per weeks is too much
[02:25] <juliux> RichEd, if it would be only once a month then there could be more topics and more people
[02:25] <ogra> juliux, well, we have different people at the differently scheduled meetings
[02:25] <RichEd> juliux: so would you suggest tech every week, and users once a month ?
[02:25] <juliux> RichEd, yes
[02:25] <RichEd> If we have a edubuntu-users section of the meeting, we can start some debate / poll topics on the mail list, and then meet to discuss monthly ?
[02:25] <RichEd> so keep it down to 1 hour per week for tech & general dev ...
[02:25] <ogra> one in the evening and one in the morning
[02:26] <juliux> ogra, that is also fine
[02:26] <ogra> and we need to find a solution for EC if we do that as well
[02:26] <RichEd> that would work for me as well ... every second week ...
[02:26] <RichEd> but then we are always at the same time ... no variance for the US people
[02:26] <ogra> RichEd, twice a month with alternating times
[02:26] <ogra> as we have iot now, but skip two a month
[02:27] <RichEd> perhaps first meeting of the month ... and do the EC stuff ... and then 3 weeks after that ?
[02:27] <RichEd> that will alternate the times ?
[02:27] <ogra> yeah
[02:27] <juliux> RichEd, one meeting in the morning one in the evening;)
[02:28] <RichEd> okay, let me look at the dates coming up ... and play a bit and then make some suggestions
[02:28] <ogra> good
[02:28] <RichEd> pips1 is not here for community
[02:29] <RichEd> I have nothing else to discuss for today ... and some conference calls coming up ...
[02:29] <RichEd> Anyone else with topics / questions ?
[02:29] <juliux> yeah
[02:29] <juliux> i want to invite you all the german ubucon;) we will have an extra education track
[02:29] <RichEd> great :)
[02:30] <RichEd> have you got a fridge article up ?
[02:30] <juliux> RichEd, yes
[02:30] <RichEd> and did you send a mail to the edubuntu lists ?
[02:30] <juliux> RichEd, there will be an other if the programm is online
[02:30] <juliux> RichEd, that will come next week
[02:30] <RichEd> good ... what sort of audience are you expecting ? size and type of person ?
[02:31] <RichEd> and give the dates and locations here in the channel, so it can go in the minutes
[02:31] <juliux> we hope betwenn 200 and 500 people
[02:31] <juliux> and there will we everything from developer over normal users to newbies
[02:31] <RichEd> all linux converts already, or some people looking to jump in ?
[02:31] <juliux> date is 20. and 21. october in krefeld/germany
[02:32] <juliux> we think some new people
[02:32] <juliux> the university will invite local schools
[02:32] <RichEd> do you need any more material / presentations / ubuntu stuff ?
[02:32] <juliux> we only need talks;)
[02:32] <cliebow__> ttfn
[02:33] <RichEd> I have a presentation on Edubuntu reference cases ... if someone is prepared to speak on that, I can help them with the slides ?
[02:34] <RichEd> okay ... any other issues for today ?
[02:34] <RichEd> ogra ... are you okay to wind up now ?
[02:34] <juliux> RichEd, cool
[02:34] <ogra> sure :)
[02:34] <RichEd> going once ...
[02:34] <RichEd> going twice ...
[02:35] <RichEd> BONG ... thanks all
[02:55] <highvoltage> hey rodarvus
[02:57] <rodarvus> hey hey
[06:29] <ds500ss> hay
[08:44] <DarkRaven> @schedule
[08:44] <ubotu> Schedule for Etc/UTC: 22 Aug 20:00: Xubuntu Developers | 23 Aug 15:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 24 Aug 12:00: MOTU Team | 27 Aug 15:00: Screencast Team | 28 Aug 15:00: Ubuntu Server Team meeting | 28 Aug 19:00: Technical Board
[09:18] <zul> @schedule montreal
[09:18] <ubotu> Schedule for America/Montreal: 22 Aug 16:00: Xubuntu Developers | 23 Aug 11:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 24 Aug 08:00: MOTU Team | 27 Aug 11:00: Screencast Team | 28 Aug 11:00: Ubuntu Server Team meeting | 28 Aug 15:00: Technical Board
[10:00] <mr_pouit> @schedule
[10:00] <ubotu> Schedule for Etc/UTC: Current meeting: Xubuntu Developers | 23 Aug 15:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 24 Aug 12:00: MOTU Team | 27 Aug 15:00: Screencast Team | 28 Aug 15:00: Ubuntu Server Team meeting | 28 Aug 19:00: Technical Board
[10:04] <j1mc> hello?
[10:04] <vidd> do we have a meeting going on?
[10:18] <vidd> so no meeting?
[10:19] <gnomefreak> no not right now
[10:19] <vidd> !meeting
[10:19] <ubotu> Channel logs can be found at http://people.ubuntu.com/~fabbione/irclogs
[10:20] <vidd> what is the UTC right now?
[10:24] <Pricey> @now
[10:24] <ubotu> Current time in Etc/UTC: August 22 2007, 20:24:48 - Current meeting: Xubuntu Developers
[10:24] <Pricey> vidd, ^
[10:24] <vidd> ty
[10:45] <vidd> looks like the meeting is a bust....again
[11:04] <Toadstool> @schedule Los_angeles
[11:04] <ubotu> Schedule for America/Los_Angeles: Current meeting: Xubuntu Developers | 23 Aug 08:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 24 Aug 05:00: MOTU Team | 27 Aug 08:00: Screencast Team | 28 Aug 08:00: Ubuntu Server Team meeting | 28 Aug 12:00: Technical Board
[11:05] <Toadstool> did xubuntu guys give up already?