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ubotujdongcrack is Hobbsee: jdong: yes, but you're FULL OF CRACK!12:33
ajmitchsounds appropriate12:34
ubotumentors-#ubuntu-motu has no aliases - added by LaserJock on 2006-07-13 21:55:2212:35
jrib!mentors =~ s#https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Mentors#https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Mentoring/Contributor#12:36
ubotuI know nothing about mentors yet, jrib12:36
jrib!mentors-#ubuntu-motu =~ s#https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Mentors#https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Mentoring/Contributor#12:36
ubotuI'll remember that jrib12:36
sistpotyok, I really need to go to bed now12:36
sistpotygn8 everyone12:36
norsettogood bot, good bot12:36
norsettobye sist!12:36
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jussi01hmmm, I want a package out of the new queue... is it possible to grab it somehow?12:42
RAOFOur new queue?  There should be a dgettable link on LP.12:42
jussi01RAOF: Im after kdenlive12:42
jussi01Id also need mlt iirc12:43
ajmitchRAOF: I don't think there is, unless they changed that for a reason12:43
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RAOFajmitch: Hm.  I'm sure I've pulled a package out of new, but I can't see how now.12:44
jussi01hmmm, who is Albin Tonnerre ? anyone know?12:45
BirthdayMusohttp://people.ubuntu.com/~ubuntu-archive/queue/gutsy/new I think12:45
lionelYouu can get it there : http://people.ubuntu.com/~ubuntu-archive/queue/gutsy/new/kdenlive_0.5-0.0ubuntu1.dsc12:45
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ajmitchah right, so not from LP directly, but dumped out of the queue12:45
lioneljussi01: he is Lutin12:46
jussi01ok, so lutin is the maintainer12:46
ajmitchLutin: run away quickly12:46
jussi01Lutin: would you mind emailing me the packages fro kdenlive?12:46
Lutinjussi01: sort of - merged from debian multimedia actually12:46
Lutinjussi01: i386 or amd64 ?12:46
jussi01if its not too much hassle?12:47
jussi01Lutin: i38612:47
Lutinajmitch: lol :)12:47
jussi01jussi01 at gmail dot com12:47
Lutinjussi01: np, I'll do it tomorrow12:47
jussi01Lutin: thanks a lot12:47
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jussi01Lutin: which timezone are you in?12:48
jussi01(when is tomorrow?)12:48
Lutinjussi01: UTC+2, france12:48
jussi01Lutin: ok, Im in finland, so close in timzones :)12:49
Lutinand tomorrow is 'after I get some sleep' :)12:49
jussi01hehe ok :)12:49
Lutin'night guys12:50
norsettonight all12:55
norsettobirthdaymuso: wait => Happy Birthday!12:55
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ajmitchthe motu-uvf team will love bug 13393312:57
ubotuLaunchpad bug 133933 in cheese "Can you update Cheese to 0.2.2 (many new sexy features)" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/13393312:57
RAOFNice use of the "confirm your own bug"12:59
porthoseI am trying to setup subversion +svn-buildpackage.  svn-inject give this error svn_load_dirs file:///blah/blah/blah12:59
ScottKajmitch: We approved apt on cd and the changelog entry for that was "Rewrote the entire application"12:59
porthosei get svn_load_dirs: not found01:00
ajmitchScottK: cool, I'll submit one of those then01:00
porthoseany ideas01:00
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superm1ScottK, i do have a motu-uvf related question.  persia originally had convinced me to do most of the mythbuntu-* packages with versioning 0.X-0ubuntu1 so that if an external project wanted to adapt them they could.  Consequently, even minor changes to these will need UVFe's no?01:02
superm1er, s/\ no/,\ correct/01:03
ajmitchporthose: I don't see any call to svn_load_dirs in the gutsy version, at least01:04
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ajmitchlooks like https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/svn-buildpackage/+bug/115874 though01:05
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ajmitchporthose: there's a good chance that the gutsy version can be installed as-is on feisty01:06
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porthoseajmitch: ok thank01:07
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leonelscottk  clamav 0.91.2 for dapper  worked fine01:19
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ScottK2leonel: Great.01:50
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leonelScottk all that needed modification  was   clamav-base.postinst.in   to add your modificatios for   DetectPUA02:06
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porthoseajmitch: thanks for your help got svn-buildpackage working.02:11
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ScottK2A new deboostrap release solved the pbuilder problem I was having earlier today.02:33
_MMA_Good to hear you got it sorted.02:34
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ScottK2Wasn't me, it was whoever fixed deboostrap and uploaded it.02:39
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leonelScottk do you told me to send you the debdiff  for dapper clamav ?02:56
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ScottK2leonel: Yes please, via email.03:09
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leonel ScottK2 sent03:15
ScottK2leonel: Thanks.03:15
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porthose***porthose waves at hobbsee03:40
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AmaranthHobbsee: Is there any easy way to set kconfig defaults like there is for gconf defaults?03:41
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AmaranthIn the packaging, I mean03:41
Amaranthoh, maybe you didn't get that :)03:41
BirthdayMusoHeya Hobbsee.03:41
AmaranthOr, you know, any of the other KDE people that I don't remember :)03:41
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ScottK2Hello Hobbsee.03:45
AmaranthHobbsee: Did you catch my question?03:45
HobbseeAmaranth: nope03:45
Hobbseehey ScottK203:45
AmaranthHobbsee: Is there any easy way to set kconfig defaults like there is for gconf defaults?03:45
AmaranthIn the packaging, I mean03:45
Hobbseewhich app?03:46
Amaranthwe can do global defaults with it's own system but i want to do one option differently in each backend03:46
HobbseeAmaranth: if it's proper kde stuff, you could just do it with a compizrc file, and make it load that03:47
AmaranthI know how to do it for gconf, dh_gconf03:47
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Hobbseewhich gets put into /home/sarah/.kde/share/config03:47
Hobbseeor the non-hardcoded version of that03:47
Amaranthso no foo.kconfig-defaults file? :/03:48
Amaranthfor GNOME stuff if i create a debian/packagename.gconf-defaults file and call dh_gconf it'll generate and install the schema for me03:49
Amaranthwas hoping for some similar stuff with kconfig03:49
Hobbseeusually we do it with kubuntu-default-settings and such03:49
sn9_when will mplayer work again on powerpc?04:00
Hobbseesn9_: when someone fixes it04:01
BirthdayMusosn9_: I'd say when someone who has powerpc can have a look. I might have a look later today if I get time, as I have powerpc as well.04:01
sn9_the fix has been in launchpad since march04:01
StevenKBirthdayMuso: Many happy returns!04:01
BirthdayMusosn9_: In that case, it obviously needs testing. I can do that later.04:02
sn9_the patch is against the packaged source as it was in march04:02
HobbseeBirthdayMuso!  Happy birthday!04:03
BirthdayMusoHobbsee: Thanks.04:04
ScottK2Happy birthday BirthdayMuso04:05
HobbseeRAOF: consider this my warning.04:09
HobbseeRAOF: and do i want to even see that debdiff?04:09
sn9_BirthdayMuso: fwiw, i only posted the patch in march after extensive testing on both i386 and powerpc04:09
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BirthdayMusosn9_: Ok.04:10
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BirthdayMusoI don't doubt that there was testing, but if someone who can make the change and upload can test as well, its more likely to get in.04:11
sn9_i don't see any reason why it would break amd64, but i never tried that. even if it did, 64-bit ubuntu has its share of breakage, anyway04:11
ScottK2True, but amd64 is an officially supported arch and ppc is not.04:12
sn9_well, _now_04:12
sn9_mplayer never worked in 6.1004:12
ScottK2Yeah, but now is what we're working on....04:13
sn9_6.10 was still the latest release when i posted the patch04:13
ScottK2Well that was then and this is now, but there are a fair number of people with amd64, so maybe someone will test it..04:14
ScottK2RAOF ^^^04:14
sn9_anyway, "officially supported" really means the paid corporate support, or so we ppc users were originally told04:14
ScottK2It does and everything in Universe is not supported.04:15
ScottK2Or mabye nixternal.  I think he has amd64....04:16
ScottK2See, he admits it.04:17
nixternalHost '3LockBox', running Linux 2.6.22-9-generic - Cpu0: AMD Athlon 2200 MHz; Up: 13d+2:17; Users: 1; Load: 0.00; Free: [Mem: 79/941 Mio]  [Swap: 863/863 Mio]  [/: 12464/14084 Mio]  [/boot: 93/122 Mio]  [/home: 37889/41301 Mio] ; Vpenis: 53.4 cm;04:17
nixternalhah, it doesn't say that it is 64bit though :)04:18
ScottK2nixternal meet sn9_.  sn9_ meet nixternal.  nixternal sn9_ has an mplayer patch that makes it work on ppc that he'd like to get tested on a 64 bit arch before it's uploaded.04:19
ScottK2That'll test if it'll build, but not if it works.04:20
ScottK2Dunno if he's a LP beta tester or not.  I'm not.04:20
nixternalI can test it if it is already built for amd64, but I still have yet to set up my pbuilders04:20
sn9_the patch needs to be inspected for clean application to the current source, too04:22
ScottK2sn9_: I suggest you see if anyone who is a LP beta tester will upload it to their PPA for you and then maybe nixternal can test it.04:22
ScottK2You can do that, right?04:22
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BirthdayMusoI have access to my PPA.04:27
BirthdayMusoI can patch, and build later fi people are interested.04:27
justinwrayMuso, I am going to go way out on a lim, and just sorta guess that it is your birthday.  If that is true, Happy Birthday, if not, please by all means flame me to hell.04:29
ScottK2Or flame him anyway, just for fun.04:29
BirthdayMusojustinwray: My nick wouldn't be BirthdayMuso if it wasn't my birthday.04:30
justinwrayWell, there is always that...04:30
BirthdayMusojustinwray: Thanks.04:30
justinwrayBirthdayMuso: sarcasm ;-)04:30
justinwrayAnd you're welcome.04:30
BirthdayMusoScottK2: If you were to flame me, I'd just upload a new upstream version of a package just to defy you!04:30
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justinwrayNow someone want to help me with a hopefully quick question?  Just cause it's a birthday doesn't mean we all get to sit around does it.  (Please say yes)04:31
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ajmitchBirthdayMuso: happy birthday :)04:31
ajmitchjustinwray: just ask it04:31
ScottK2BirthdayMuso: Not you, justinwray...04:31
BirthdayMusoajmitch: Thanks.04:32
Hobbseewe eat people with questions.04:32
Amaranthi think 'BirthdayAmaranth' is too big for a nick04:32
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BirthdayAmaranthit work04:32
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Amaranthwow, i've seen into the future04:32
RAOFBirthdayMuso: Happy birthday!04:33
ScottK2My eyes ......04:33
BirthdayMusoRAOF: Thanks.04:33
HobbseeScottK2: www.myspace.com/creamier_oak04:33
RAOFHobbsee: Um, warning?04:33
justinwrayOkay, so I am working on packaging metasploit3, it will go into multiverse.  Anyhow, after working with upstream (and there not so loving license).  We have had all of our patches applied upstream.  The issue however, is the patches are applied to an SVN release, and not the tarball from the site.  I am trying to figure out how to package from SVN, as I cannot just update the source with SVN.04:33
HobbseeRAOF: put in your app, else i'll have to do it for you :)04:34
RAOFHobbsee: Ah, OK. :)04:34
BirthdayMusoHobbsee: I agree.04:34
HobbseeBirthdayMuso: towhich?04:34
BirthdayMusoHobbsee: Lets just do it anyway.04:34
ScottK2Hobbsee: I've seen that before and do NOT intend to look again.04:34
Hobbseeokay :)04:34
BirthdayMusoHobbsee: Recommending RAOF.04:34
HobbseeScottK2: haha.  ness is right though.04:34
RAOFHobbsee: You probably don't need to see the debdiff.  It's adding a recommends, restricting a suggests to the archs that the package suggested is actually built for, etc04:35
Amaranthjustinwray: checkout from svn and run make dist to get a tarball from it04:35
Hobbsee25 Jun 2006 11:50 P04:35
HobbseeThe longer you look at it, the less it bothers you... seriously!04:35
Amaranththen mangle it a bit to make the version number you're going to use04:35
HobbseeRAOF: i'd prefer nto to see such crack :P04:35
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justinwrayAmaranth: Alright, thank you.04:36
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HobbseeScottK2: but it's a *lovely* page!04:39
HobbseeScottK2: you really are quite deluded!04:39
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ScottK2Hobbsee: I am old and cranky and don't get you young folks at all.04:40
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ajmitchHobbsee: don't mind ScottK2, he hasn't had his dried frog pills today04:42
Hobbseeahhhh, right04:43
justinwrayAmaranth: I have it checked out, but make dist is no go...04:43
Amaranthit doesn't use autotools?04:43
AndyPHobbsee: that page doesn't have enough marquees and animated gifs04:43
HobbseeAndyP: i know.  i didnt spend very long on it.04:43
justinwrayAmaranth: Nope, this is all Ruby..04:43
justinwrayCan, I hand archive?04:44
Amaranthno idea then04:44
HobbseeAndyP: just enough to make it so that my deluded friends would enjoy it04:44
ScottK2Amaranth: You mean Hobbsee's myspace page?04:44
Amaranthi dunno ruby packaging04:44
HobbseeAndyP: seeing as they were insistent on how people should get myspace pages04:44
AmaranthScottK2: what?04:44
ScottK2Hobsee's myspace page needs autotools?04:44
justinwrayAmaranth: Well the directory structure is the same as what is in the current upstream tar, so can I hand archive it?04:45
AndyPHobbsee: well, only intellectuals have myspace pages, of course04:45
Amaranthjustinwray: just remove the svn junk04:45
ScottK2AndyP: For some definition of the word intellectual, I would agree with that.04:45
HobbseeAndyP: er, hmmm.04:46
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Hobbseeoh, Robotgeek.04:46
Hobbseehe still deserves to be shot04:48
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AndyPheh, yes those kinds of backgrounds should be illegal04:49
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HobbseeAndyP: but it's *lovely*!04:52
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AndyPHobbsee: um, exactly, anything that lovely should be illegal04:54
xhakerhey, anyone happens to know how can i mail an mbox file? git kernel patch04:56
ScottKxhaker: An mbox file is just a text file.  You can attach it and mail it like any other attachment.04:57
xhakerattach it? let me send to myself04:57
xhakernot cool04:59
xhakeri'd like it inline..04:59
xhakergit-format-patch -104:59
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AndyPoh goody my fceu debian bugs have been fixed, that'll be a sync next time05:05
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ScottKI"ve just advocated http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=19 if there's a MOTU out there maybe looking for something to upload.06:08
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superm1ScottK, i got disconnected earlier this evening, since fabionne's logs don't show all of the time between, did you get a chance to answer my question?06:21
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ScottKI saw you were off and so didn't type an answer.06:21
superm1ah okay06:21
ScottKYou could always do an ubuntu206:21
superm1do an ubuntu2 even though it would technically be a newer "upstream" version?06:22
ScottKJust confine your changes to /debian and it's not.06:22
ScottKI"ve just advocated http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=22 too.06:23
superm1i guess they can be neatly packed into a cdbs/dpatch06:23
superm1for the time being06:23
superm1and then after the freeze is lifted move them back out06:23
superm1that's what my gut feeling was sayign to do to go around it, but that felt hackish :)06:24
guest22Can someone please point me towards some information on the recent changes (or just explain them) on http://revu.tauware.de/? It's been down for a week or two, finally came back up recently with all of the previous uploads deleted, and when I tried to re-upload my packages that were deleted I received email with the error "Rejected: Signer has no upload rights at all to this distribution."06:24
ajmitchguest22: revu had to be setup from scratch, and the error is from you uploading to ubuntu, not revu06:25
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guest22ajmitch: could you please explain what you mean about the error being from uploading to ubuntu? I uploaded the packages exactly as I did before the revu downtime.06:27
superm1ScottK, regarding http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=22, i didn't actually build yet, but glancing at src it appears that those 2 manpages may not be installed06:27
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superm1since they aren't explicitly listed in debian/rules and there is no debian/manpages or debian/$NAME.manpages06:27
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ScottKsuperm1: Good catch.  Thanks.06:30
guest22Is there some new requirement for upload to revu that didn't exist before the downtime?06:30
ScottKNo, there is not.06:31
ScottKIs there any chance you left the revu out of your dput statement?06:31
ajmitchno, but that error message only ever comes from launchpad06:31
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guest22ScottK and ajmitch: Thanks, it looks as if I omitted the revu from the dput command line - I just copied the instructions at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Packages/REVU, which also omit revu as the hostname for dput.06:35
ScottKguest22: Those instructions also tell you to set default_host_main = revu in the conf file.06:36
ScottKIn which case you don't need it.06:36
guest22Good point. Somehow, just using the command line worked previously - perhaps a dput package update modified the config file without me noticing. Thanks again.06:38
ScottKIt is possible that you accepted an update without paying attention.  If the packaging system wants to change a conf file that you've modified, it will prompt you.06:39
ScottKIt's not a big deal.  I'm pretty sure everyone has done it at least once.06:40
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ScottKGood night all.06:46
superm1night ScottK06:46
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dholbachgood morning08:16
Hobbseemorning dholbach08:17
dholbachhey Hobbsee08:18
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jsgotangcohi dholbach :)08:25
dholbachhey jsgotangco08:25
dholbachhey highvoltage08:25
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Hobbseehi spam, hi ajmitch08:32
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LucidFoxWill PPA replace REVU?08:40
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Hobbseenot currently08:43
LucidFoxBy the way, it's August 22. Why is PPA still in beta?08:43
Hobbseebecause it's still early in european time, most likely08:44
LucidFoxIt's 06:44 UTC...08:45
highvoltagehey dholbach08:45
ajmitchthe rollout will happen when it's ready, do you really think developers will be sitting around this early in the morning ready to roll out stuff?08:45
LucidFoxI see.08:45
HobbseeLucidFox: patience, patience.08:46
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ajmitchhey highvoltage :)08:46
LucidFoxsabdfl? Shuttleworth?08:46
highvoltagehey ajmitch08:46
highvoltageLucidFox: yep08:46
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norsettomorning all09:38
norsettoany u-u-s want to look at bug 133689 before gobby is moved to main?09:39
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LaserJocknorsetto: yep, dead09:43
norsettohe? oh!09:43
LaserJocknorsetto: good email to ubuntu-motu, btw09:44
norsettotrying my best, thx09:45
norsettothe bot seems to be down09:46
RAOFYes, sadly.09:46
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norsettoGod! you scared me to jump up like that09:47
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norsettodholbach: re. bug 133736, you left it assigned to you because you are changing the maintainer field yourself, or you want me do it?09:52
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jmg!seen ubotu09:59
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Hobbseejmg: it's holidaying in sweden.10:00
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jmg it?10:01
jmg /ctcp GENDER ubotu10:01
LucidFoxjmg: GENDERLESS10:05
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norsettogeser: hi! good news I hope?10:12
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gesermy exam is in 4 hours, so I've some time left to make me nervous :)10:13
norsettogeser: bah! you will pass with full marks10:13
jmggeser: haha10:13
jmggeser: is the exam on .deb packaging?10:13
viviersfajmitch, ping10:17
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Lutinhey there10:28
geserjmg: no, on math: linear algebra10:32
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dholbachnorsetto: I thought I'd assign it to me to see it on http://daniel.holba.ch/sponsoring/ as a bug that I'd like to take care of - if you'd rather want to assign it to you - that's fine with me too11:00
norsettodholbach: to whom is assigned is not a problem, I just wanted to know if you wanted me to fix the maintainer field11:02
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jeromegdholbach: hello, for bug 131561 I still need a tester11:04
jeromegso I cqan't perform the uvf11:04
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dholbachnorsetto: ahhh ok - no, I though you'd do that11:06
dholbachjeromeg: ok11:06
norsettodholbach: doing :-)11:06
norsettodholbach: patch uploaded11:13
dholbachsuper - will check it out later11:13
dholbachthanks norsetto11:14
norsettodholbach: de nada11:14
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RAOFgeser: Pity you're not in one of my tutorials.  They've got tests on tomorrow :)11:25
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ScottKNot sleeping unfortunately.11:58
norsettoScottK: baby?11:59
ScottKJust one of those days.11:59
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StevenKScottK: Worried, or can't sleep?12:00
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ScottKCan't sleep.12:01
dharriganHi everyone, anyone here from the medibuntu team?12:04
dharriganLutin, hi! Just wondering I need to recompile ffmpeg to include wma encoding support. Do you know if the package (as shipped) will allow me to do this?12:08
RAOFdharrigan: No, you don't.  If the package as shipped doesn't encode to wma (why would you want to?), a recompile won't help.12:10
Lutin(could be a disables compile-time flag, although I don't know if it even exists)12:10
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dharriganhmm, RAOF I need wma support since I'm transcoding divx to wmv and I can't get audio to play. ffmpeg will transcode the video, but not the audio.12:11
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RAOFI didn't think ffmpeg encoded to wmv, let alone wma :).  Any particular reason why wma is necessary?12:12
dharriganRAOF, yeah it encodes to wmv. Wma is necessary because my xbox (don't all hurl at once) will playback wmv's, but only if the audio is wma12:21
Lutinisn't the xbox able to play non-wmv videos ?12:21
dharriganLutin, nope (perhaps h264)12:21
dharriganxbox 360 that is, not the hacked original.12:21
RAOFdharrigan: Surely it can play mpeg1 + layer2 audio?12:21
dharrigan<shrug> I'll have to check on that one RAOF12:21
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Q-FUNKin the UVF instructions:   build-/install-log (as files)    pbuilder has the --logfile option.01:32
Q-FUNKplease rephrase.01:32
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DarkSun88Hi all01:46
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ScottKQ-FUNK: What's the problem?01:53
ScottKGood morning all.01:53
Q-FUNKbuild-/install-log is unclear01:54
Q-FUNKI already know that pbuilder can produce logs, but not what part of it is relevant.01:54
ScottKThe whole thing.01:55
ScottKJust attach the logfile that pbuilder produces and that's the needed build log.01:55
Q-FUNKok.  it talks about install log.  that sounds like a completely different thing.01:56
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ScottKThen when you install it, copy/paste the command line session from the install process.01:57
ScottKCurrently I don't think anyone is particularly worrying the install logs.01:58
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ScottKAs we get closer to the bitter end, I imagine we will.01:58
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Lutin(note that you can add pbuilder hooks to test the package install without bothering doing all the stuff manually)02:00
Lutinheya jussi0102:00
jussi01heya Lutin, hows things?02:01
Lutinjussi01: good :)02:01
Lutin(will upload kdenlive/mlt++ in a couple of hours)02:02
jussi01Lutin: thanks :) all the other dependencies are in the repos correct?02:02
Lutinmlt++ (0.2.4) is still in binary NEW, although the version currently in the repos will be ok02:03
jussi01excellent. ok, Ill be waiting for the upload/email :)02:04
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toutouffHi, I've got a problem with pbuilder, could you help me ?02:12
toutouffhttp://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/34643/ <- here is the end of the output when I want to create02:13
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jribtoutouff: hmm ScottK had that same exact error yesterday I think...02:15
toutouffand did he solve t ?02:15
ScottKI did.02:15
ScottKtoutouff: There were new debchroot, dpkg, and dpkg-dev updates I got yesterday.02:16
ScottKI'd imagine it was the debchroot update, but one of them fixed it for me.02:16
toutoufferr... my system is up-to-date02:17
ScottKAre you sure that you might not have a stale mirror or something?02:17
toutouffI have just the default mirrors and the ubuntustudio one in mi sources.list02:18
toutouffthey all work grat02:19
toutouffthese updates, they are on gutsy or in feisty ?02:21
toutouffbecause I'm tryins to create a gutsy environement on my feisty, maybe I should get these packages from gutsy ?02:22
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coNPhey xxxxx102:22
xxxxx1hey coNP02:22
ScottKtoutouff: I'm on Gutsy. so it probabyl doesn't apply.02:23
ScottKI'd reboot and try again.02:23
toutouffI've tied three times02:23
ScottKIf I were in your position I'd grab the source of the lastest gutsy version, compile it for Feisty, and try that.02:24
toutouffof pbuilder ? debchroot ? dpkg ? dpkg-dev ?02:25
ScottKDon't blame me if your computer catches fire and burns down your house as doing so is completely unsupported, but that's what I would do.02:26
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toutouffI try to install the debchroot package of gutsy on my feisty02:27
toutouffhum, there is no package called debchroot for gutsy, not event for feisty02:28
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ScottKtoutouff: Sorry...  debootstrap02:31
toutouffoh, I already have the last version I think (downloaded yesterday from gutsy02:32
toutouffyes, i have the last one02:35
toutouff(without this I can't set up a gutsy environement02:35
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bigonany chance https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/telepathy-stream-engine/+bug/132912 and https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/farsight/+bug/132911 will get a uvfe?02:43
ScottKtoutouff: There is a
ScottK1.0.2 was broken for me.  1.0.3 fixed it.02:44
toutouffoh, thanks02:44
coNPDoes the FEP apply without any changes for Debian sync requests?02:45
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coNPSorry, I mean the FreezeExceptionProcess (https://wiki.kubuntu.org/FreezeExceptionProcess)02:50
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ScottKcoNP: If it's a new upstream version, yes.  If it's a new Debian revision only, no.02:51
coNPthanks ScottK02:55
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ScottKHello zachy03:02
zachyhi ScottK03:04
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toutouffIt works !03:10
jribScottK: regarding reverend ( http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=24 ), debuild -S -sa seems to automatically recreate debian/pycompat.  I'm building on feisty if that matters03:11
ScottKIt does do that.  Good point.03:11
ScottKWhich is, of course, why you don't need to provide it.03:11
ScottKThat wasn't really a blocker.03:12
ScottKIt does no harm.03:12
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jriblet me try to delete the file and then run dput again without running debuild to keep it clean then03:14
jribwhich of course won't work because dput uploads the diff.gz... heh03:16
ScottKjrib: Don't worry it.03:16
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ScottKThe pyversions thing was the main change I wanted.03:16
ScottKEither that or an XS-Python-Version in the control file is required.03:17
ScottKjrib: Advocated.03:21
jribScottK: thanks for all your help03:21
ScottKNo problem.  Thank you for contributing.03:21
ScottKSo, any other MOTUs out there, http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=24 and http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=19 are looking for a 2nd ...03:22
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ScottKcoNP: Then go have a look at those and tell me if I missed something.03:23
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\shdoes anyone run a xinerama install with gutsy using radeon driver?03:40
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jeromeganyone from ubuntu-universe-sponsors to confirm a removal request :  bug 134037 ?03:43
coNPScottK: checked. Reverend seems to be allrighty. The output of Mustang is quite "hard to interpret", i.e., seems to be affected by some string formatting issue. Not sure that it is the fault but I would fix it either upstream or with a patch before it gets included in Ubuntu.03:44
Hobbseejeromeg: hasnt appeared on the ML yet, for some reason03:44
coNPs/Not sure that it is the fault/Almost sure that it is not the fault of the pacakger/03:45
ScottKcoNP: Please pastebin me the comment you'd put in if you were a MOTU and I'll add it.03:45
jeromegHobbsee: ok, I just added uus when triaging, that must be why03:45
ryanakcahmm. What package do I need as depends for http://pastebin.ca/666812 ? I've tried libmysqlclient15off & libmysqlclient15-dev already...03:55
Hobbseejeromeg: done03:55
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jeromegHobbsee: thx04:00
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ScottKhttp://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=22 looking for a 2nd advocate too.04:03
Hobbseeryanakca: i would have expected it to be the latter.04:03
AndyPryanakca: did you try both at the same time and check that the symbol it's looking for is provided by the library?04:04
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ryanakcaAndyP: I've tried both together, and then each individually04:05
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coNPScottK: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/34652/04:08
mohammadI have uploaded Quran Translations for accepted package zekr: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=34 I appreciate if a motu reviews it.04:08
coNPHobbsee: may I bug you with my favourite Openbox issue? :)04:09
HobbseecoNP: nope!  :P04:09
coNPIt is bug 119796. But I shouldn't even mention this, because I am not allowed to ... :)04:10
ScottKcoNP: Done.  Thanks.04:11
ScottKmohammad: Am I going to find copyright problems in the package again?04:11
mohammadScottK: i have change the copyright status to "not permitted to distribute for commercial purpose" which I think satisfies the rules of multiverse04:13
AndyPryanakca: you are adding them as Build-Depends right?04:13
ScottKOK.  Why is that?04:14
ScottKI'm more concerned with the source of some of them.  The last time the first one I looked into clearly wasn't properly licensed.04:14
ScottKmohammad: ^^^04:14
mohammadhttp://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/qmtintro.html (from where they were originally downloaded) described them as "not permitted to distribute for commercial purpose"04:15
ScottKThat's a good reason.04:15
mohammadScottK: Also I split the package for different langauges as you commented last time.04:16
ScottKActually I think that was Persia, but I agree.04:16
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mohammadScottK: I have to prepare to go to the University. so see you then and thank you.04:20
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coNPdholbach: you are too quick :)04:21
dholbachcoNP: thanks ;-)04:22
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ScottKcoNP:  371 files changed, 41140 insertions(+), 22649 deletions(-) is a lot.  Are you going to fix up the bugs?04:29
coNPWhich bugs?04:30
ScottKThe ones that get filed after your UVFe gets approved?04:30
coNPYou mean Openbox & Obconf?04:31
coNPYes. I intend to take care of these.04:31
norsettoScottK: coNP: we are contributors now not hopefuls (we lost all our hopes long ago....)04:32
ScottKOK.  Please sign up as bug contact for the packages if you haven't.04:32
coNPnorsetto: are you also a MOTU-hopeful?04:32
coNPMOTU-hopeless, even.04:32
ScottKApparently not anymore.04:32
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coNPScottK: I am almost sure I am still a bug contact04:33
ScottKOK.  Please make sure.04:33
norsettoyeah, supplicant is indeed more to the point :-(04:34
coNPSorry, not for obconf, but I fixed that as well.04:34
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coNPScottK: it seems it can be a nice team play with the Debian Maintainer(s)04:34
ScottKYes.  That's the best way when you can do it.04:35
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AndyPare syncs still being processed now or is everything frozen?04:41
dholbachAndyP: they are, but you have to manually request them - no autosyncs anymore04:42
superm1morning guys04:42
dholbachAndyP: if they involve new upstream versions you need to follow http://wiki.ubuntu.com/FreezeExceptionProcess04:42
dholbachhey superm104:42
geserAndyP: sync still can be filed but due to the tribe processing them seems to be on hold04:42
coNPhiya superm104:42
AndyPdholbach, geser: great, thanks04:43
dholbachde rien04:44
ScottKYes.  It'll all get accepted after the tribe freeze comes off.  Individual uploads/syncs for Universe can be manually pushed by the archive admins if desired as only Main is actually frozen right now.04:45
ScottKcoNP: I acked both your UVFe's based on I get to blame you if stuff isn't fixed.04:45
AndyPgood good, i just wondered if the sync i just requested was pointless, but it isn't :)04:45
coNPScottK: thanks.04:46
coNPSo you think it is not worth syncing?04:46
coNPOr you are afraid of a bunch of unnoticed bugs?04:46
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coNPScottK: how many ACKs do I need BTW?04:47
ScottKcoNP: It's a big change a little late in the process.  As long as someone will mind it, I'm OK.04:47
ScottKThere's a balance here between releasing with an obsolete version and accepting big updates late in the process.04:48
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coNPActually I use (almost) these packages for some weeks now without any bugs.04:48
coNPAm I wrong that https://wiki.kubuntu.org/FreezeExceptionProcess does not mention you need two ACKs?04:49
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HobbseeScottK: here's my vocal ack then.04:51
ScottKcoNP: "Once one of the [WWW]  team members marks the bug as Confirmed you can proceed with uploading." - Our procedure in the team is that the 2nd person sets it to confirmed.04:52
ScottKHobbsee: For both packages?04:52
HobbseeScottK: yeah.04:52
HobbseeScottK: although i dont know why we're needing two04:52
Hobbseeif hte last lot only had 104:52
ScottKOK.  Maybe that was just me.04:52
coNPThanks Hobbsee, ScottK :)04:53
ScottKcoNP: Confirmed.04:55
coNPScottK: Thanks. Now I only need to wait for some archive admin to do the sync, right?04:55
ScottKOh, you wanted me to do the MOTU bit to it too.  I suppose I can do that.04:56
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coNPNot that I could not subscribe someone, but rules are rules :)04:56
ScottKYeah.  That's done too.04:58
coNPThanks again.04:58
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geserdholbach: I just realised that a MOTU meeting is scheduled for friday 12:00 UTC. Do you manage to handle the Q&A session and the MOTU meeting at the same time?05:14
dholbacharg arg arg arg :-(05:15
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dholbachthanks geser for noticing05:15
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AndyPshouldn't be too difficult :)05:16
dholbachgeser: I guess I'll try - and hopefully that will be enough for me to remember to check next time05:16
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dholbachif you announce a meeting next time, please keep fridge-devel@lists in the loop05:16
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dholbachit's on their calendar now, ok05:17
coNPdholbach: may I bug you with my MOTU appliation? I guess only one more vote is needed, but I was told crimsun is not going to be around for some more time. Or should I be more patient? :-)05:17
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dholbachcoNP: if it's just that one vote missing, I'll forward it to the TB in a sec05:18
mok1ScottK: I am fixing the mustang output this very moment. Good point.05:18
ScottKmok1: Thank coNP.  It was his suggestion.05:18
ScottKcoNP: Thanks.05:18
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superm1coNP, you going to beat me to MOTU :) ?05:19
coNPDepends on ... :)05:19
mok1ScottK: I should perhaps add the detailed info about the btk-core manpages in changelog? Perhaps reviewers further downstream will also think it is a mistake...05:20
ScottKmok1: I put your response to my comment on REVU.  I think that's good enough.  If you end up updating the package for some other reason then I'd say yes.05:21
mok1ScottK: OK.05:22
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Lutinjussi01: around ?05:28
bmmA debian package for the boswars game is under development, but I have no idea how sponsoring is going or when it will reach the repositories and come into ubuntu. Should I, in this stage of gutsy development, still post the package to revu or should I just wait for it to come into ubuntu and patch it?05:28
jussi01Lutin: Im here05:28
ScottKbmm: How do you think it will come to Ubuntu if you don't post it to REVU?05:29
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jussi01ScottK: could it not be synced?05:29
ScottKFrom where?05:30
bmmScottK: it's going to be part of debian, because the package is already under devlopment there. So then it will get into ubuntu when it get's synced with debian, right?05:30
ScottKYes, but almost certainly not for Gutsy.05:30
ScottKIt's have to get into Debian, through Debian NEW, and be synced before 30 Aug.05:30
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ScottKDebian NEW generally takes longer than that.05:31
Lutinjussi01: kdenlive uploaded \o . try adding deb http://e17.dunnewind.net/ubuntu gutsy test to you sources.list and see if you can install05:31
bmmScottK: so it would be ok to post it to REVU then?05:31
jussi01Lutin: ok, trying now05:31
Riddellsiretart: my old revu password doesn't work05:32
ScottKbmm: Sure with appropriate version/distro changes for Ubuntu.  Just be aware that unless the package is in good shape the odds aren't good given # of reviewers/available time.05:32
ScottKRiddell: No one's will, you have to recover a new one.05:32
RiddellScottK: how do I do that?05:32
mok1ScottK: Revised version of mustang uploaded. Thx!!!05:33
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ScottKYeah.  That one.05:33
ScottKmok1: Great.05:33
jussi01Lutin: it gives me a break05:34
Lutinjussi01: ?05:34
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jussi01Lutin: when I select it in adept to install, it says BREAK (install)05:35
Lutinjussi01: no way to have something more verbose ?05:37
jussi01Lutin: fyi, I am using gutsy, if that is a problem05:37
Lutinso am I05:37
Lutin.w 905:37
jussi01Lutin: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/34668/05:38
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Lutinjussi01: lol. then, what does it say when you try to install libmlt++0.2.4 ?05:39
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jussi01lutin I installed that but it then gave me:05:41
jussi01The following packages have unmet dependencies:05:41
jussi01  kdenlive: Depends: libmlt++0.2.4 (>= 0.2.4) but 0.2.4~svn1024-0ubuntu0.1 is to be installed05:41
Lutinrofl. seems silly05:42
jussi01Lutin: I got to walk my dog, be back in a little while05:44
Lutinactually makes sense...05:45
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Lutin*sigh* . guess I have to fix it in the archive05:47
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ScottKmok1: If you want to do another upload to clean up the btk package based on Riddell's comments, I'll upload it to the archive after.06:06
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mok1ScottK: Working on jriddel's comments this very minute06:16
ScottKmok1: Great.06:16
ScottKI just advocated the new mustand upload.06:16
mok1It will be exiting to see if it makes it!06:16
mok1Lintian is pretty stupid btw, I had XCSB-Original-Maintainer and it didn't recognize it :-)06:18
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Hobbseemok1: it's from debian.06:18
Hobbseemok1: they dont use X-O-M stuff06:19
Hobbseemok1: which is why it also complains about bad version number, and unknown changelog entry gutsy06:19
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mok1But it06:20
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mok1's good with XSBC- :-)06:20
ScottKHobbsee: The Gutsy Lintian doesn't whine about that stuff I don't think.06:20
Hobbseeoh neat, someone's updated it06:21
ScottKThat or I just don't see it anymore.06:22
Hobbseeno, someone's done it06:22
mok1ScottK: btk-core fixed wrt.  jriddel's comments, and uploaded...06:25
ScottKGreat.  I'll have a look in a few minutes.06:25
kduboisis the best way to start, just to try to resolve bugs on launchpad?06:25
ScottKHobbsee: Would have have a look at http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=36.  I'm pretty sure it's in good shape.  Just needs a 2nd ack.06:26
Hobbseei'm so *not*06:26
Hobbseeit's 2.30am in the morning06:26
ScottKBut, OK>06:26
ScottKkdubois: That's an excellent way to start.06:27
ScottKThere is, however, more than one way to do it.06:27
kduboisother ways being?06:27
ScottKPackage new software (although it's very late in the Gutsy cycle for that).06:28
ScottKTriage bugs.06:28
ScottKMerge updates from Debian.06:28
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kduboisi think i'll do some bug hunting to start off with06:28
kduboisthanks though06:28
kduboisi heard that there's a Q+A planned for friday?06:30
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khermansi have unpacked a deb to get control/data, then modified them, and I want to put the modified control.tar.gz back into the original dab06:35
khermansi initially converted the package from RPM06:35
khermanssince this is a closed source product i am trying to run on ubuntu06:35
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khermansScottK, no no no, has nothing to do with that06:37
khermansScottK, is there some way to repack back to deb?06:38
jussi01Lutin: sorry, Im back now06:38
khermansthe inverse of 'ar -x'06:38
ScottKkhermans: Dunno.  I06:38
ScottKI've never had to do it.06:38
ScottKI'd suggest man ar as a place to start though.06:38
khermansScottK, who would know?06:38
ScottKHard to say.  It's not a normal thing we have to do.06:39
Lutinjussi01: ok. my fault....fix uploaded to the archive. if you can, please rebuild kdenlive against the new mlt++ once the source package hits the archive06:39
khermansScottK, oooh mayb \e the r option06:39
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khermansdidnt know if this was a thing people did06:39
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jussi01Lutin: ok, when can I expect that?06:40
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Lutinjussi01: dunno, depends on seb128 :] 06:40
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jussi01Lutin: hehe, ok. so I just have to wait. :(06:41
Lutinjussi01: yep. I could rebuild them, but I won't have anough time today06:45
khermansScottK, ar r foo.deb control.tar.gz worked06:46
khermansheh, ok now is there a stardard way of dealing with bad prerm scripts?06:49
khermansi cannot get apt to remove, i know there is astardard way to do this06:49
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jussi01Lutin: thats fin06:52
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Lutinjussi01: do we lack _that_ much a non-linear video editor ? I got almost every day a 'when will kdenlive be available' mail06:54
pygiLutin, there are others in development06:55
Lutinpygi: seems nice :)06:57
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khermansuh oh :-)07:07
khermansi accidentally did an rm -rf  on /var/lib/dpkg/info07:07
khermansam i screwed!?!07:07
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sn9_pygi, Lutin: pitivi was non-functional before gutsy07:27
pygisn9_, because Edward did a lot of work lately, I know =)07:27
pygiwell, not really non-functional, but ...07:27
sn9_any chance it could get backported to feisty?07:27
pygisn9_, probably not, dependencies07:28
sn9_i know, hence the effort required07:28
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sn9_somebody on the forums claimed to get the new version working on feisty using checkinstall07:29
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pygisn9_, checkinstall is not too good imho =) Well, is fine for personal usage07:30
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sn9_i wasn't suggesting that07:30
sn9_i mean, it suggests it can be done07:31
pygisn9_, sure it can be done =)07:31
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sn9_afaik, checkinstall ignores deps, so how is it that someone got around the dep problems using it?07:32
pygisn9_, well, they just get problems when using it with older revisions of gst07:34
pygisn9_, or gnonlin07:34
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Lutinoh, pitivi is python . ouch07:41
pygiLutin, python rocks!07:42
Lutinpygi: yeah, it rocks. it loves eating memory too :}07:43
pygiLutin, be shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!07:44
superm1mmm memory.....07:44
pygiLutin, make it more efficient, I believe python upstream will welcome sane patches =)07:44
Lutinheh. I fear it's far beyond my skills07:45
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siretartRiddell: right, because we started from 0. database has been reset08:30
ScottKsiretart: He got it sorted.  He even reviewed stuff.08:31
siretartah, I see08:31
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geserAndyP: because you uploaded the last kid3 and lpia tried to build it now08:47
ScottKOr any kid3 since they set up the buildd perhaps.08:47
AndyPgeser: ok... was i meant to have made it build on lpia? i know nothing about it08:48
ScottKAndyP: I wouldn't worry about it now.08:49
AndyPScottK: oh i'm not worried, just curious about how the whole thing works08:51
ScottKWell they are still, AFAIK, working through some basic issues about getting a new arch up and running.08:51
ScottKI think there's probably an Ubuntu Mobile Edition IRC channel or mailing list if you are really interested.08:52
AndyPmaybe i'll research into it when i've got more time on my hands08:53
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geserAndyP: the IRC channel is #ubuntu-mobile09:04
AndyPgeser: thanks09:05
tonyyarussoSince PPC is no longer an officially supported architecture, but would be "very nice" if things still built on it, and whereas a) I don't have a PPC machine and b) LP PPA accounts won't build unsupported architectures, is there any more efficient auto-build system that somebody could set up for easy testing that would be any better than just getting a friendly person here to give you SSH access to their box (what I've done so far) ?09:06
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ScottKAdri2000 or Lutin: available for a DaD bug report?09:09
ScottKThe REPORT for the currently pending Clamav merge says no problems, but there is in fact a conflict shown in the ubuntu1 patch.09:09
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Adri2000ScottK: http://dad.dunnewind.net/clamav/REPORT ? it says there is a conflict09:12
Adri2000  C  debian/clamav-base.postinst.in09:12
Adri2000or you mean that: "No problems were encountered during the merge" ?09:13
ScottKAdri2000: Didn't read far enough.  Yeah.  That's what confused me.09:13
ScottKI saw that and thought WTF when I saw the conflict in the patch.09:13
Adri2000sure it's not very clear, but it means that the new source package has been successfully created (which is not the case sometimes when there are conflicts in debian/control for example)09:13
ScottKI see that now that I read on down.09:14
ScottKI guess debian/control is where I've always had conflicts before.09:14
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nixternalTheMuso: hey, Intel audio is back and working as it should, ie. muting and volume up/down with master and not pcm09:22
nixternalhowever, you can barely hear the audio now...kind of like Dapper and Edgy days09:22
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ScottKmok0: btk is uploaded.09:32
mok0What happens next?09:32
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ScottKmok0: It's in the NEW queue (with kssh) waiting for archive admin review.  Once they accept it, it goes into the archives for building, then the binary goes back to NEW again, once it gets accepted it gets published and it's done. https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/gutsy/+queue?queue_state=0&queue_text=09:34
mok0ScottK: So there are still some stumbling blocks!09:37
mok0What happens if it doesn't compile on all platforms?09:37
ScottKWell the big check is the archive admin check of the NEW source.  That's mostly for copyright/license issues.09:38
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mok0OK. That's what I find the most difficult...09:38
ScottKIf it doesn't compile on all archs, then you fix it and we upload ubuntu2.09:38
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mok0I can only check i386 myself09:38
=== ScottK too.
ScottKStarting soon LP will have a personal package archive feature available (it's available to beta testers now) and you'll be able to do i386 and (I think) AMD64 on it.09:39
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mok0I sent an email to become registered, but never got a reply :(09:40
ScottKHmmm.  I've never signed up.09:40
ScottLijHow does one get involved in the open source community?  I've read some MOTU pages but I don't see how to get a mentor(s)09:42
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mok0ScottLij: Can you program?09:43
ScottLijmok0: Yes, I know C++, Java, and some basic php, c#, and python09:44
AndyPScottLij: did you read https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Mentoring/Contributor ?09:44
ScottKA formal mentor is NOT required.  You can just show up and start doing stuff.09:44
AndyPthe more Scotts the merrier :)09:45
zulScottK: i would checkout the todo and start cracking09:46
ScottKzul: I would check on your tab completion.09:46
zulScottK: yeah i know I was half asleep when I was looking at it09:46
mok0zui: does that mean we are talking to your subconcience?09:47
zulmaybe none of you exist09:47
AndyPthat would be most inconvenient09:48
mok0The problem with fixing bugs is that they might never come through09:49
Nafallozul: you could get my existance verified those days :-)09:49
zulNafallo: meh..its called a lack of sleep09:49
zulanyways...im going home to sleep09:50
ScottKmok0: What do you mean by "Never come through"?09:52
mok0Uhm, I fixed a (trivial) bug in python-biopython version 1.42, but I was told that it was fixed in gutsy and would not be updated in feisty.09:54
mok0gutsy has version 1.43 where the bug is fixed)09:55
AndyPthat's just a problem with fixing trivial bugs in stable releases :)09:55
mok0Yes, but it was serious enough, because if you had biopython installed, the error message popped up every time python is invoked by dpkg09:56
mok0So although it was a learning experience, it is not motivating that bug fixes are not distributed as updates09:57
AndyPmok0: there's always backports...09:57
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mok0AndyP: You mean it goes into edgy backports?09:58
ScottKAlso we are nearing the end of the development part of Gutsy.  From next week on out the focus is bug fixing for Gutsy.09:58
mok0ScottK: Aha. When does the devel phase end?09:59
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AndyPmok0: no, feisty-backports if you wanted the gutsy fix in feisty (but as ScottK said, your efforts are better spent on gutsy at the moment)09:59
ScottKWe are pretty much there.09:59
soothsayerWhere do updates of packages incubate before they are released to repositories?09:59
ScottKWe are past upstream version freeze and feature freeze now.09:59
coNP!schedule | mok010:00
ubotumok0: Ubuntu releases a new version every 6 months. Each version is supported for 18 months to 5 years. More info at http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/releases & http://wiki.ubuntu.com/TimeBasedReleases10:00
ScottKsoothsayer: For Gutsy they go directly there.10:00
mok0I see. So wrt. to e.g. kssh, it will not be in gutsy?10:00
ScottKFor released distros they go to *-proposed for testing.10:00
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ScottKmok0: It will.10:00
soothsayerScottK: "Fix committed" in Launchpad implies that the updated package should be available in repos immediately?10:01
ScottKsoothsayer: No.  That would be fix released.10:01
ScottKEverything in NEW on 30 Aug will go into Gutsy unless rejected.10:01
mok0Wow. Still a lot to learn :-)10:01
ScottKSo you have until 30 Aug to get stuff INTO the NEW queue.10:01
soothsayerScottK: Where do "fix committed" packages go?10:02
ScottKsoothsayer: For a released version "Fix Committed" generally means it's in the *-proposed repository for testing.10:02
soothsayerScottK: And for Gutsy?10:02
mok0ScottK: I have a few packages pending upstream action10:02
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ScottKIt also covers the few hours between when it's uploaded and when it's published/built.10:03
mok0ScottK:  Perhaps you remember "kaksi" and "wulfware"10:03
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ScottKmok0: If you can (and you want them in Gutsy) I'd repack the tarballs and upload them now.10:04
mok0ScottK: I sent a whole bunch of patches to the wulfware guy, but he is busy atm.10:04
mok0ScottK:  I could do that...10:05
ScottKYou've seen how many people we have doing reviews, so time is getting short.10:05
mok0ScottK:  Yes I know. I have also seen that you have been very productive!10:06
ScottKI've been working on a database thing the last couple of days so I have some time between runs while I wait for it to crash.10:07
mok0What about the "bug based" reviewing that Daniel outlined on the mailing list? Will that take over from REVU?10:08
ScottKI have no idea.10:09
ScottKMyself I never look at the new package bugs.10:09
ScottKI just look at what's on REVU.10:09
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ScottKIt is.10:09
=== ScottK also thinks anytime is a good time for questions and maybe norsetto shouldn't give people trouble about asking.
norsettopeople is too eager to complain and critic I must say10:10
mok0norsetto's annoyed at mok for giving away his exam question yesterday :-)10:11
mok0norsetto: people ARE ;-)10:11
norsettomok0: and on top of that you broke my dbgless phone....10:11
soothsayerScottK: Are the source packages on the build server publically accessible? Can I get the source and build it myself before it goes 'fix released'?10:12
mok0norsetto: ... when you aimed it at my head...10:12
ScottKsoothsayer: Yes.  Look for the package on Launchpad and you can get it from there if no where else.10:13
soothsayerScottK: Thaks10:13
soothsayerScottK: Thanks10:13
ScottKsoothsayer: Is it's in *=proposed you can enable that repository and get the binary.10:13
ScottKsoothsayer: Look for the bug the upload fixes and comment on if it works for you because that's what get's it released to *-updates.10:14
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mok0If there is no mention of license in a software package, does that imply it is in the public domain?10:28
soothsayermok0: No10:29
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mok0What is it, then?10:29
soothsayerUnknown. You have to find out10:29
ScottKmok0: Copyright is inherent and so without an explicit permission to distribute, there is no permission to distribute.10:30
ScottKThat's one of the true beauties of the GPL.10:30
mok0The software is distributed by the author10:30
mok0without any notice of copyright10:30
ScottKRight, but he has to give you right to furhter distribute or you don't have it.10:30
ScottKIn the US anyway, since 1975, and I think elsewhere too, copyright notice has not been required.10:31
ScottKWhen people whine about GPL restrictions not being applicable to their distrbution of GPL software, they just argued they have no right to distribute at all.10:32
mok0This author has not worked on the software since 1998. I thought of adopting it and releasing under GPL10:32
ScottKYou have to ask the author.10:32
mok0ScottK: If I can find him...10:32
ScottKYep.  That can be the tricky part.  Or the organization is maybe they own the rights.10:33
mok0This guy was at Berkeley10:33
mok0Perhaps it's a BSD license then10:34
soothsayermok0: You can't just assume, however much you might want to10:34
mok0soothsayer:  Yeah I know... just pondering...10:34
ScottKYou might ask the department he was in for permission.10:35
mok0ScottK:  Good idea. I will get to work on that.10:35
nixternalMOTUS!!!! Just for you, by me! -> http://www.zug.com/pranks/faoschwarz/index02.html10:35
nixternalwork friendly fyi10:35
soothsayermok0: You are probably going to have trouble if he did the work for the University10:36
soothsayermok0: I would try to get contact information from the University if you can't find it anywhere else but don't try to get permission from them right away.10:37
soothsayerUniversities have 'technology transfer' departments these days. They are businesses looking to monetize anything they can.10:37
AndyPnixternal: omg poniez!!</obligatory>10:38
ScottKmmmm. pony.....10:38
mok0soothsayer:  Also Berkeley?10:38
ScottKSome more than others.10:38
ScottKMore so than it used to be.10:38
ScottKIt never hurts to ask.10:38
soothsayermok0: I can't speak for Berkeley specifically.10:39
soothsayermok0: I doubt they are exceptional10:39
AndyPmy dissertation project is going to be GPL'd... the only open source project in my year, i think. go me.10:39
norsettomok0: out of curiosity, what is this software for?10:40
nixternalhaha, I just read the text on that page that goes with the picture10:40
soothsayerAndyP: Did you get University permission?10:40
mok0soothsayer: the package is in Fink ... :-/10:40
ScottKHere's a lovely error message, "close failed: [Errno 0]  Success"10:40
AndyPsoothsayer: as good as... it's an "industry partnership" that i'm doing with Red Hat10:41
soothsayerAndyP: Nice.10:41
AndyPsoothsayer: yeah, i'm quite happy about it10:42
mok0soothsayer: the webpage says: "The Cgraph Library source code, examples, and documentation are in the public domain"10:42
mok0... but there is no statement of such in the tarball.10:42
soothsayermok0: Except utils direcotry10:42
mok0soothsayer:  there is nothing I need in there10:42
ScottKmok0: If it says it on the web page you can probably repack the tarball with a copy of the web page or something.10:43
soothsayermok0: I don't think there is a rule that a license has to be in the tarball10:43
ScottKsoothsayer: Actually there is.10:43
soothsayermok0: Check with debian-legal, or Ubuntu equivalent if it exists10:43
ScottKThat's the first thing that will get you bounced by the archive admins.10:44
ScottKmok0 has been burned by this already, so he know.10:44
mok0soothsayer: Oh? my package kssh was rejected because of lack of license texts in the upstream tarball.10:44
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soothsayerScottK: I wasn't talking about packages you submit to Ubuntu, I meant from a copyright policy perspective10:44
ScottKmok0 is getting very good at repacked tarballs.10:44
ScottKOh.  Sure.10:44
mok0So, assuming the software is public domain, I could re-release it GPL'ed, yes?10:45
ScottKThat's why I said he could repack it and add the information.10:45
ScottKPublic domain is public domain.  No license required.10:45
soothsayermok0: Anyway, I can't believe that this package is the best thing available at doing what you need10:45
mok0Yeah, I find I have to repack everything I've looked at10:45
mok0soothsayer: It's used by another program I need, and I don't care to change that other program.10:46
soothsayermok0: Ah okay10:46
mok0soothsayer:  In fact, it's _included_ in the other software, but I'd rather separate it. Perhaps that's a bad idea...10:47
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ScottKman-di: If you haven't seen this: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-discuss/2007-August/001503.html I'd imagine you'd be interested.11:00
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