[12:33] <norsetto> !jdongcrack
[12:33] <ubotu> jdongcrack is Hobbsee: jdong: yes, but you're FULL OF CRACK!
[12:34] <ajmitch> sounds appropriate
[12:35] <sistpoty> lol
[12:35] <jrib> !-mentors
[12:35] <ubotu> mentors-#ubuntu-motu has no aliases - added by LaserJock on 2006-07-13 21:55:22
[12:36] <jrib> !mentors =~ s#https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Mentors#https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Mentoring/Contributor#
[12:36] <ubotu> I know nothing about mentors yet, jrib
[12:36] <jrib> !mentors-#ubuntu-motu =~ s#https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Mentors#https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Mentoring/Contributor#
[12:36] <ubotu> I'll remember that jrib
[12:36] <sistpoty> ok, I really need to go to bed now
[12:36] <sistpoty> gn8 everyone
[12:36] <norsetto> good bot, good bot
[12:36] <jrib> night
[12:36] <norsetto> bye sist!
[12:42] <jussi01> hmmm, I want a package out of the new queue... is it possible to grab it somehow?
[12:42] <RAOF> Our new queue?  There should be a dgettable link on LP.
[12:42] <jussi01> RAOF: Im after kdenlive
[12:42] <jussi01> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/gutsy/+queue?start=20
[12:43] <jussi01> Id also need mlt iirc
[12:43] <ajmitch> RAOF: I don't think there is, unless they changed that for a reason
[12:44] <RAOF> ajmitch: Hm.  I'm sure I've pulled a package out of new, but I can't see how now.
[12:45] <jussi01> hmmm, who is Albin Tonnerre ? anyone know?
[12:45] <ScottK> Lutin
[12:45] <BirthdayMuso> http://people.ubuntu.com/~ubuntu-archive/queue/gutsy/new I think
[12:45] <lionel> Youu can get it there : http://people.ubuntu.com/~ubuntu-archive/queue/gutsy/new/kdenlive_0.5-0.0ubuntu1.dsc
[12:45] <ajmitch> ah right, so not from LP directly, but dumped out of the queue
[12:46] <lionel> jussi01: he is Lutin
[12:46] <Lutin> o/
[12:46] <jussi01> ok, so lutin is the maintainer
[12:46] <lionel> ;)
[12:46] <ajmitch> Lutin: run away quickly
[12:46] <jussi01> Lutin: would you mind emailing me the packages fro kdenlive?
[12:46] <Lutin> jussi01: sort of - merged from debian multimedia actually
[12:46] <Lutin> jussi01: i386 or amd64 ?
[12:47] <jussi01> if its not too much hassle?
[12:47] <jussi01> Lutin: i386
[12:47] <Lutin> ajmitch: lol :)
[12:47] <jussi01> jussi01 at gmail dot com
[12:47] <Lutin> jussi01: np, I'll do it tomorrow
[12:47] <jussi01> Lutin: thanks a lot
[12:47] <jussi01> :)
[12:48] <jussi01> Lutin: which timezone are you in?
[12:48] <jussi01> (when is tomorrow?)
[12:48] <Lutin> jussi01: UTC+2, france
[12:49] <jussi01> Lutin: ok, Im in finland, so close in timzones :)
[12:49] <Lutin> and tomorrow is 'after I get some sleep' :)
[12:49] <jussi01> hehe ok :)
[12:50] <Lutin> 'night guys
[12:50] <jussi01> gnight
[12:51] <chantra> night
[12:55] <norsetto> night all
[12:55] <norsetto> birthdaymuso: wait => Happy Birthday!
[12:57] <ajmitch> the motu-uvf team will love bug 133933
[12:57] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 133933 in cheese "Can you update Cheese to 0.2.2 (many new sexy features)" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/133933
[12:59] <DarkSun88> G'night.
[12:59] <RAOF> Nice use of the "confirm your own bug"
[12:59] <porthose> I am trying to setup subversion +svn-buildpackage.  svn-inject give this error svn_load_dirs file:///blah/blah/blah
[12:59] <ScottK> ajmitch: We approved apt on cd and the changelog entry for that was "Rewrote the entire application"
[01:00] <porthose> i get svn_load_dirs: not found
[01:00] <ajmitch> ScottK: cool, I'll submit one of those then
[01:00] <porthose> any ideas
[01:02] <superm1> ScottK, i do have a motu-uvf related question.  persia originally had convinced me to do most of the mythbuntu-* packages with versioning 0.X-0ubuntu1 so that if an external project wanted to adapt them they could.  Consequently, even minor changes to these will need UVFe's no?
[01:03] <superm1> er, s/\ no/,\ correct/
[01:04] <ajmitch> porthose: I don't see any call to svn_load_dirs in the gutsy version, at least
[01:05] <ajmitch> looks like https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/svn-buildpackage/+bug/115874 though
[01:06] <ajmitch> porthose: there's a good chance that the gutsy version can be installed as-is on feisty
[01:07] <porthose> ajmitch: ok thank
[01:14] <TurtleBeoulve> hello
[01:19] <leonel> scottk  clamav 0.91.2 for dapper  worked fine
[01:50] <ScottK2> leonel: Great.
[02:06] <leonel> Scottk all that needed modification  was   clamav-base.postinst.in   to add your modificatios for   DetectPUA
[02:11] <porthose> ajmitch: thanks for your help got svn-buildpackage working.
[02:33] <ScottK2> A new deboostrap release solved the pbuilder problem I was having earlier today.
[02:34] <_MMA_> Good to hear you got it sorted.
[02:39] <ScottK2> Wasn't me, it was whoever fixed deboostrap and uploaded it.
[02:45] <_MMA_> Ahh...
[02:56] <leonel> Scottk do you told me to send you the debdiff  for dapper clamav ?
[03:09] <ScottK2> leonel: Yes please, via email.
[03:15] <leonel>  ScottK2 sent
[03:15] <ScottK2> leonel: Thanks.
[03:35] <Hobbsee> greetings
[03:40] <porthose> ***porthose waves at hobbsee
[03:41] <Amaranth> Hobbsee: Is there any easy way to set kconfig defaults like there is for gconf defaults?
[03:41] <Amaranth> In the packaging, I mean
[03:41] <Amaranth> oh, maybe you didn't get that :)
[03:41] <BirthdayMuso> Heya Hobbsee.
[03:41] <Amaranth> Or, you know, any of the other KDE people that I don't remember :)
[03:45] <ScottK2> Hello Hobbsee.
[03:45] <Amaranth> Hobbsee: Did you catch my question?
[03:45] <Hobbsee> Amaranth: nope
[03:45] <Hobbsee> hey ScottK2
[03:45] <Amaranth> Hobbsee: Is there any easy way to set kconfig defaults like there is for gconf defaults?
[03:45] <Amaranth> In the packaging, I mean
[03:46] <Hobbsee> which app?
[03:46] <Amaranth> compiz
[03:46] <Amaranth> we can do global defaults with it's own system but i want to do one option differently in each backend
[03:47] <Hobbsee> Amaranth: if it's proper kde stuff, you could just do it with a compizrc file, and make it load that
[03:47] <Amaranth> I know how to do it for gconf, dh_gconf
[03:47] <Hobbsee> which gets put into /home/sarah/.kde/share/config
[03:47] <Hobbsee> or the non-hardcoded version of that
[03:48] <Amaranth> so no foo.kconfig-defaults file? :/
[03:48] <Hobbsee> kdeglobals
[03:48] <Hobbsee> ?
[03:49] <Amaranth> for GNOME stuff if i create a debian/packagename.gconf-defaults file and call dh_gconf it'll generate and install the schema for me
[03:49] <Amaranth> was hoping for some similar stuff with kconfig
[03:49] <Hobbsee> usually we do it with kubuntu-default-settings and such
[03:49] <Amaranth> hrm
[04:00] <sn9_> when will mplayer work again on powerpc?
[04:01] <Hobbsee> sn9_: when someone fixes it
[04:01] <BirthdayMuso> sn9_: I'd say when someone who has powerpc can have a look. I might have a look later today if I get time, as I have powerpc as well.
[04:01] <sn9_> the fix has been in launchpad since march
[04:01] <sn9_> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mplayer/+bug/78426/comments/7
[04:01] <StevenK> BirthdayMuso: Many happy returns!
[04:02] <BirthdayMuso> sn9_: In that case, it obviously needs testing. I can do that later.
[04:02] <sn9_> the patch is against the packaged source as it was in march
[04:03] <Hobbsee> BirthdayMuso!  Happy birthday!
[04:04] <BirthdayMuso> Hobbsee: Thanks.
[04:05] <ScottK2> Happy birthday BirthdayMuso
[04:09] <Hobbsee> RAOF: consider this my warning.
[04:09] <Hobbsee> RAOF: and do i want to even see that debdiff?
[04:09] <ajmitch> heh
[04:09] <sn9_> BirthdayMuso: fwiw, i only posted the patch in march after extensive testing on both i386 and powerpc
[04:10] <BirthdayMuso> sn9_: Ok.
[04:11] <BirthdayMuso> I don't doubt that there was testing, but if someone who can make the change and upload can test as well, its more likely to get in.
[04:11] <sn9_> i don't see any reason why it would break amd64, but i never tried that. even if it did, 64-bit ubuntu has its share of breakage, anyway
[04:12] <ScottK2> True, but amd64 is an officially supported arch and ppc is not.
[04:12] <sn9_> well, _now_
[04:12] <sn9_> mplayer never worked in 6.10
[04:13] <ScottK2> Yeah, but now is what we're working on....
[04:13] <sn9_> 6.10 was still the latest release when i posted the patch
[04:14] <ScottK2> Well that was then and this is now, but there are a fair number of people with amd64, so maybe someone will test it..
[04:14] <ScottK2> RAOF ^^^
[04:14] <sn9_> anyway, "officially supported" really means the paid corporate support, or so we ppc users were originally told
[04:15] <ScottK2> It does and everything in Universe is not supported.
[04:16] <ScottK2> Or mabye nixternal.  I think he has amd64....
[04:17] <nixternal> shh
[04:17] <ScottK2> See, he admits it.
[04:17] <nixternal> Host '3LockBox', running Linux 2.6.22-9-generic - Cpu0: AMD Athlon 2200 MHz; Up: 13d+2:17; Users: 1; Load: 0.00; Free: [Mem: 79/941 Mio]  [Swap: 863/863 Mio]  [/: 12464/14084 Mio]  [/boot: 93/122 Mio]  [/home: 37889/41301 Mio] ; Vpenis: 53.4 cm;
[04:17] <nixternal> oops
[04:18] <nixternal> hah, it doesn't say that it is 64bit though :)
[04:19] <ScottK2> nixternal meet sn9_.  sn9_ meet nixternal.  nixternal sn9_ has an mplayer patch that makes it work on ppc that he'd like to get tested on a 64 bit arch before it's uploaded.
[04:19] <nixternal> PPA
[04:20] <ScottK2> That'll test if it'll build, but not if it works.
[04:20] <ScottK2> Dunno if he's a LP beta tester or not.  I'm not.
[04:20] <nixternal> I can test it if it is already built for amd64, but I still have yet to set up my pbuilders
[04:21] <ScottK2> Ah.
[04:22] <sn9_> the patch needs to be inspected for clean application to the current source, too
[04:22] <ScottK2> sn9_: I suggest you see if anyone who is a LP beta tester will upload it to their PPA for you and then maybe nixternal can test it.
[04:22] <ScottK2> You can do that, right?
[04:27] <BirthdayMuso> I have access to my PPA.
[04:27] <BirthdayMuso> I can patch, and build later fi people are interested.
[04:29] <justinwray> Muso, I am going to go way out on a lim, and just sorta guess that it is your birthday.  If that is true, Happy Birthday, if not, please by all means flame me to hell.
[04:29] <ScottK2> Or flame him anyway, just for fun.
[04:30] <BirthdayMuso> justinwray: My nick wouldn't be BirthdayMuso if it wasn't my birthday.
[04:30] <justinwray> Well, there is always that...
[04:30] <BirthdayMuso> justinwray: Thanks.
[04:30] <justinwray> BirthdayMuso: sarcasm ;-)
[04:30] <justinwray> And you're welcome.
[04:30] <BirthdayMuso> ScottK2: If you were to flame me, I'd just upload a new upstream version of a package just to defy you!
[04:30] <BirthdayMuso> :)
[04:31] <justinwray> Now someone want to help me with a hopefully quick question?  Just cause it's a birthday doesn't mean we all get to sit around does it.  (Please say yes)
[04:31] <ajmitch> yay!
[04:31] <ajmitch> BirthdayMuso: happy birthday :)
[04:31] <ajmitch> justinwray: just ask it
[04:31] <ScottK2> BirthdayMuso: Not you, justinwray...
[04:32] <BirthdayMuso> right
[04:32] <BirthdayMuso> ajmitch: Thanks.
[04:32] <Hobbsee> we eat people with questions.
[04:32] <Amaranth> i think 'BirthdayAmaranth' is too big for a nick
[04:32] <BirthdayMuso> heh
[04:32] <BirthdayAmaranth> it work
[04:32] <BirthdayAmaranth> s
[04:32] <Amaranth> wow, i've seen into the future
[04:32] <BirthdayMuso> haha
[04:32] <Hobbsee> hah
[04:33] <RAOF> BirthdayMuso: Happy birthday!
[04:33] <ScottK2> My eyes ......
[04:33] <BirthdayMuso> RAOF: Thanks.
[04:33] <Hobbsee> ScottK2: www.myspace.com/creamier_oak
[04:33] <RAOF> Hobbsee: Um, warning?
[04:33] <justinwray> Okay, so I am working on packaging metasploit3, it will go into multiverse.  Anyhow, after working with upstream (and there not so loving license).  We have had all of our patches applied upstream.  The issue however, is the patches are applied to an SVN release, and not the tarball from the site.  I am trying to figure out how to package from SVN, as I cannot just update the source with SVN.
[04:33] <BirthdayMuso> ROFL
[04:34] <Hobbsee> RAOF: put in your app, else i'll have to do it for you :)
[04:34] <RAOF> Hobbsee: Ah, OK. :)
[04:34] <BirthdayMuso> Hobbsee: I agree.
[04:34] <Hobbsee> BirthdayMuso: towhich?
[04:34] <BirthdayMuso> Hobbsee: Lets just do it anyway.
[04:34] <ScottK2> Hobbsee: I've seen that before and do NOT intend to look again.
[04:34] <Hobbsee> okay :)
[04:34] <BirthdayMuso> Hobbsee: Recommending RAOF.
[04:34] <Hobbsee> ScottK2: haha.  ness is right though.
[04:35] <RAOF> Hobbsee: You probably don't need to see the debdiff.  It's adding a recommends, restricting a suggests to the archs that the package suggested is actually built for, etc
[04:35] <Amaranth> justinwray: checkout from svn and run make dist to get a tarball from it
[04:35] <Hobbsee> 	25 Jun 2006 11:50 P
[04:35] <Hobbsee> The longer you look at it, the less it bothers you... seriously!
[04:35] <Amaranth> then mangle it a bit to make the version number you're going to use
[04:35] <Hobbsee> RAOF: i'd prefer nto to see such crack :P
[04:35] <RAOF> :)
[04:36] <justinwray> Amaranth: Alright, thank you.
[04:36] <Amaranth> s/make/match/
[04:39] <Hobbsee> ScottK2: but it's a *lovely* page!
[04:39] <Hobbsee> ScottK2: you really are quite deluded!
[04:40] <ScottK2> Hobbsee: I am old and cranky and don't get you young folks at all.
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[04:40] <Hobbsee> :P
[04:42] <ajmitch> Hobbsee: don't mind ScottK2, he hasn't had his dried frog pills today
[04:43] <Hobbsee> ahhhh, right
[04:43] <justinwray> Amaranth: I have it checked out, but make dist is no go...
[04:43] <Amaranth> it doesn't use autotools?
[04:43] <AndyP> Hobbsee: that page doesn't have enough marquees and animated gifs
[04:43] <Hobbsee> AndyP: i know.  i didnt spend very long on it.
[04:43] <justinwray> Amaranth: Nope, this is all Ruby..
[04:44] <justinwray> Can, I hand archive?
[04:44] <Amaranth> no idea then
[04:44] <Hobbsee> AndyP: just enough to make it so that my deluded friends would enjoy it
[04:44] <ScottK2> Amaranth: You mean Hobbsee's myspace page?
[04:44] <Amaranth> i dunno ruby packaging
[04:44] <Hobbsee> AndyP: seeing as they were insistent on how people should get myspace pages
[04:44] <Amaranth> ScottK2: what?
[04:44] <ScottK2> autotools
[04:44] <ScottK2> Hobsee's myspace page needs autotools?
[04:45] <justinwray> Amaranth: Well the directory structure is the same as what is in the current upstream tar, so can I hand archive it?
[04:45] <AndyP> Hobbsee: well, only intellectuals have myspace pages, of course
[04:45] <Amaranth> justinwray: just remove the svn junk
[04:45] <ScottK2> AndyP: For some definition of the word intellectual, I would agree with that.
[04:46] <Hobbsee> AndyP: er, hmmm.
[04:46] <Hobbsee> oh, Robotgeek.
[04:48] <Hobbsee> he still deserves to be shot
[04:49] <AndyP> heh, yes those kinds of backgrounds should be illegal
[04:52] <Hobbsee> AndyP: but it's *lovely*!
[04:54] <AndyP> Hobbsee: um, exactly, anything that lovely should be illegal
[04:56] <xhaker> hey, anyone happens to know how can i mail an mbox file? git kernel patch
[04:57] <ScottK> xhaker: An mbox file is just a text file.  You can attach it and mail it like any other attachment.
[04:57] <xhaker> attach it? let me send to myself
[04:57] <xhaker> :D
[04:59] <xhaker> not cool
[04:59] <xhaker> i'd like it inline..
[04:59] <xhaker> git-format-patch -1
[05:05] <AndyP> oh goody my fceu debian bugs have been fixed, that'll be a sync next time
[06:08] <ScottK> I"ve just advocated http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=19 if there's a MOTU out there maybe looking for something to upload.
[06:21] <superm1> ScottK, i got disconnected earlier this evening, since fabionne's logs don't show all of the time between, did you get a chance to answer my question?
[06:21] <ScottK> I saw you were off and so didn't type an answer.
[06:21] <superm1> ah okay
[06:21] <ScottK> You could always do an ubuntu2
[06:22] <superm1> do an ubuntu2 even though it would technically be a newer "upstream" version?
[06:22] <ScottK> Just confine your changes to /debian and it's not.
[06:23] <ScottK> I"ve just advocated http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=22 too.
[06:23] <superm1> i guess they can be neatly packed into a cdbs/dpatch
[06:23] <superm1> for the time being
[06:23] <superm1> and then after the freeze is lifted move them back out
[06:23] <ScottK> Exactly.
[06:24] <superm1> that's what my gut feeling was sayign to do to go around it, but that felt hackish :)
[06:24] <guest22> Can someone please point me towards some information on the recent changes (or just explain them) on http://revu.tauware.de/? It's been down for a week or two, finally came back up recently with all of the previous uploads deleted, and when I tried to re-upload my packages that were deleted I received email with the error "Rejected: Signer has no upload rights at all to this distribution."
[06:25] <ajmitch> guest22: revu had to be setup from scratch, and the error is from you uploading to ubuntu, not revu
[06:27] <guest22> ajmitch: could you please explain what you mean about the error being from uploading to ubuntu? I uploaded the packages exactly as I did before the revu downtime.
[06:27] <superm1> ScottK, regarding http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=22, i didn't actually build yet, but glancing at src it appears that those 2 manpages may not be installed
[06:27] <superm1> since they aren't explicitly listed in debian/rules and there is no debian/manpages or debian/$NAME.manpages
[06:30] <ScottK> superm1: Good catch.  Thanks.
[06:30] <guest22> Is there some new requirement for upload to revu that didn't exist before the downtime?
[06:31] <ScottK> No, there is not.
[06:31] <ScottK> Is there any chance you left the revu out of your dput statement?
[06:31] <ajmitch> no, but that error message only ever comes from launchpad
[06:35] <guest22> ScottK and ajmitch: Thanks, it looks as if I omitted the revu from the dput command line - I just copied the instructions at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Packages/REVU, which also omit revu as the hostname for dput.
[06:36] <ScottK> guest22: Those instructions also tell you to set default_host_main = revu in the conf file.
[06:36] <ScottK> In which case you don't need it.
[06:38] <guest22> Good point. Somehow, just using the command line worked previously - perhaps a dput package update modified the config file without me noticing. Thanks again.
[06:39] <ScottK> It is possible that you accepted an update without paying attention.  If the packaging system wants to change a conf file that you've modified, it will prompt you.
[06:40] <ScottK> It's not a big deal.  I'm pretty sure everyone has done it at least once.
[06:46] <ScottK> Good night all.
[06:46] <superm1> night ScottK
[08:16] <dholbach> good morning
[08:17] <Hobbsee> morning dholbach
[08:18] <dholbach> hey Hobbsee
[08:25] <jsgotangco> hi
[08:25] <jsgotangco> hi dholbach :)
[08:25] <dholbach> hey jsgotangco
[08:25] <dholbach> hey highvoltage
[08:29] <ajmitch> hi
[08:32] <Hobbsee> hi spam, hi ajmitch
[08:35] <\sh> moins
[08:40] <LucidFox> Will PPA replace REVU?
[08:43] <Hobbsee> not currently
[08:43] <LucidFox> By the way, it's August 22. Why is PPA still in beta?
[08:44] <Hobbsee> because it's still early in european time, most likely
[08:45] <LucidFox> It's 06:44 UTC...
[08:45] <highvoltage> hey dholbach
[08:45] <ajmitch> the rollout will happen when it's ready, do you really think developers will be sitting around this early in the morning ready to roll out stuff?
[08:45] <LucidFox> I see.
[08:46] <Hobbsee> LucidFox: patience, patience.
[08:46] <ajmitch> hey highvoltage :)
[08:46] <LucidFox> sabdfl? Shuttleworth?
[08:46] <highvoltage> hey ajmitch
[08:46] <highvoltage> LucidFox: yep
[08:47] <LucidFox> sweet!
[09:38] <norsetto> morning all
[09:39] <norsetto> any u-u-s want to look at bug 133689 before gobby is moved to main?
[09:42] <LaserJock> WAKE UP WAKE UP WAKE UP
[09:43] <LaserJock> norsetto: yep, dead
[09:43] <norsetto> ZZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz........
[09:43] <norsetto> he? oh!
[09:44] <LaserJock> norsetto: good email to ubuntu-motu, btw
[09:45] <norsetto> trying my best, thx
[09:45] <norsetto> !ubotu
[09:46] <norsetto> the bot seems to be down
[09:46] <RAOF> Yes, sadly.
[09:47] <norsetto> God! you scared me to jump up like that
[09:52] <norsetto> dholbach: re. bug 133736, you left it assigned to you because you are changing the maintainer field yourself, or you want me do it?
[09:59] <jmg> !seen ubotu
[10:00] <Hobbsee> jmg: it's holidaying in sweden.
[10:01] <jmg>  it?
[10:01] <jmg>  /ctcp GENDER ubotu
[10:05] <LucidFox> jmg: GENDERLESS
[10:11] <geser> morning
[10:12] <norsetto> geser: hi! good news I hope?
[10:13] <geser> my exam is in 4 hours, so I've some time left to make me nervous :)
[10:13] <norsetto> geser: bah! you will pass with full marks
[10:13] <jmg> geser: haha
[10:13] <jmg> geser: is the exam on .deb packaging?
[10:17] <viviersf> ajmitch, ping
[10:28] <Lutin> hey there
[10:32] <geser> jmg: no, on math: linear algebra
[11:00] <dholbach> norsetto: I thought I'd assign it to me to see it on http://daniel.holba.ch/sponsoring/ as a bug that I'd like to take care of - if you'd rather want to assign it to you - that's fine with me too
[11:02] <norsetto> dholbach: to whom is assigned is not a problem, I just wanted to know if you wanted me to fix the maintainer field
[11:04] <jeromeg> dholbach: hello, for bug 131561 I still need a tester
[11:04] <jeromeg> so I cqan't perform the uvf
[11:04] <jeromeg> *can't
[11:06] <dholbach> norsetto: ahhh ok - no, I though you'd do that
[11:06] <dholbach> jeromeg: ok
[11:06] <norsetto> dholbach: doing :-)
[11:06] <dholbach> alright-o
[11:13] <norsetto> dholbach: patch uploaded
[11:13] <dholbach> super - will check it out later
[11:14] <dholbach> thanks norsetto
[11:14] <norsetto> dholbach: de nada
[11:25] <RAOF> geser: Pity you're not in one of my tutorials.  They've got tests on tomorrow :)
[11:58] <ScottK> Not sleeping unfortunately.
[11:59] <norsetto> ScottK: baby?
[11:59] <ScottK> No.
[11:59] <ScottK> Just one of those days.
[12:00] <StevenK> ScottK: Worried, or can't sleep?
[12:01] <ScottK> Can't sleep.
[12:04] <dharrigan> Hi everyone, anyone here from the medibuntu team?
[12:06] <Lutin> yep
[12:08] <dharrigan> Lutin, hi! Just wondering I need to recompile ffmpeg to include wma encoding support. Do you know if the package (as shipped) will allow me to do this?
[12:10] <RAOF> dharrigan: No, you don't.  If the package as shipped doesn't encode to wma (why would you want to?), a recompile won't help.
[12:10] <Lutin> (could be a disables compile-time flag, although I don't know if it even exists)
[12:10] <Lutin> disabled*
[12:11] <dharrigan> hmm, RAOF I need wma support since I'm transcoding divx to wmv and I can't get audio to play. ffmpeg will transcode the video, but not the audio.
[12:12] <RAOF> I didn't think ffmpeg encoded to wmv, let alone wma :).  Any particular reason why wma is necessary?
[12:21] <dharrigan> RAOF, yeah it encodes to wmv. Wma is necessary because my xbox (don't all hurl at once) will playback wmv's, but only if the audio is wma
[12:21] <Lutin> isn't the xbox able to play non-wmv videos ?
[12:21] <dharrigan> Lutin, nope (perhaps h264)
[12:21] <dharrigan> xbox 360 that is, not the hacked original.
[12:21] <RAOF> dharrigan: Surely it can play mpeg1 + layer2 audio?
 I'll have to check on that one RAOF
[01:32] <Q-FUNK> in the UVF instructions:   build-/install-log (as files)    pbuilder has the --logfile option.
[01:32] <Q-FUNK> please rephrase.
[01:46] <DarkSun88> Hi all
[01:53] <ScottK> Q-FUNK: What's the problem?
[01:53] <ScottK> Good morning all.
[01:54] <Q-FUNK> build-/install-log is unclear
[01:54] <Q-FUNK> I already know that pbuilder can produce logs, but not what part of it is relevant.
[01:55] <ScottK> The whole thing.
[01:55] <ScottK> Just attach the logfile that pbuilder produces and that's the needed build log.
[01:56] <Q-FUNK> ok.  it talks about install log.  that sounds like a completely different thing.
[01:57] <ScottK> Yes.
[01:57] <ScottK> Then when you install it, copy/paste the command line session from the install process.
[01:58] <ScottK> Currently I don't think anyone is particularly worrying the install logs.
[01:58] <ScottK> As we get closer to the bitter end, I imagine we will.
[02:00] <Lutin> (note that you can add pbuilder hooks to test the package install without bothering doing all the stuff manually)
[02:00] <Lutin> heya jussi01
[02:01] <jussi01> heya Lutin, hows things?
[02:01] <Lutin> jussi01: good :)
[02:02] <Lutin> (will upload kdenlive/mlt++ in a couple of hours)
[02:02] <jussi01> Lutin: thanks :) all the other dependencies are in the repos correct?
[02:03] <Lutin> mlt++ (0.2.4) is still in binary NEW, although the version currently in the repos will be ok
[02:04] <jussi01> excellent. ok, Ill be waiting for the upload/email :)
[02:12] <toutouff> Hi, I've got a problem with pbuilder, could you help me ?
[02:13] <toutouff> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/34643/ <- here is the end of the output when I want to create
[02:15] <jrib> toutouff: hmm ScottK had that same exact error yesterday I think...
[02:15] <toutouff> oh
[02:15] <toutouff> and did he solve t ?
[02:15] <toutouff> it*
[02:15] <ScottK> I did.
[02:15] <toutouff> \o/
[02:16] <ScottK> toutouff: There were new debchroot, dpkg, and dpkg-dev updates I got yesterday.
[02:16] <ScottK> I'd imagine it was the debchroot update, but one of them fixed it for me.
[02:17] <toutouff> err... my system is up-to-date
[02:17] <ScottK> Are you sure that you might not have a stale mirror or something?
[02:18] <toutouff> I have just the default mirrors and the ubuntustudio one in mi sources.list
[02:18] <toutouff> my*
[02:19] <toutouff> they all work grat
[02:21] <toutouff> these updates, they are on gutsy or in feisty ?
[02:22] <toutouff> because I'm tryins to create a gutsy environement on my feisty, maybe I should get these packages from gutsy ?
[02:22] <coNP> hey xxxxx1
[02:22] <xxxxx1> mornin'
[02:22] <xxxxx1> hey coNP
[02:23] <ScottK> toutouff: I'm on Gutsy. so it probabyl doesn't apply.
[02:23] <ScottK> I'd reboot and try again.
[02:23] <toutouff> I've tied three times
[02:23] <toutouff> tried
[02:23] <ScottK> OK
[02:24] <ScottK> If I were in your position I'd grab the source of the lastest gutsy version, compile it for Feisty, and try that.
[02:25] <toutouff> of pbuilder ? debchroot ? dpkg ? dpkg-dev ?
[02:25] <ScottK> debchroot
[02:26] <toutouff> ok
[02:26] <ScottK> Don't blame me if your computer catches fire and burns down your house as doing so is completely unsupported, but that's what I would do.
[02:27] <toutouff> I try to install the debchroot package of gutsy on my feisty
[02:28] <toutouff> hum, there is no package called debchroot for gutsy, not event for feisty
[02:31] <ScottK> toutouff: Sorry...  debootstrap
[02:32] <toutouff> oh, I already have the last version I think (downloaded yesterday from gutsy
[02:35] <toutouff> yes, i have the last one
[02:35] <toutouff> 1.0.2
[02:35] <toutouff> (without this I can't set up a gutsy environement
[02:35] <toutouff> )
[02:43] <bigon> any chance https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/telepathy-stream-engine/+bug/132912 and https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/farsight/+bug/132911 will get a uvfe?
[02:43] <ScottK> toutouff: There is a 1.0.3.
[02:43] <ScottK> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/debootstrap/1.0.3
[02:44] <ScottK> 1.0.2 was broken for me.  1.0.3 fixed it.
[02:44] <toutouff> oh, thanks
[02:45] <coNP> Does the FEP apply without any changes for Debian sync requests?
[02:49] <ScottK> FEP??
[02:50] <coNP> Sorry, I mean the FreezeExceptionProcess (https://wiki.kubuntu.org/FreezeExceptionProcess)
[02:51] <ScottK> coNP: If it's a new upstream version, yes.  If it's a new Debian revision only, no.
[02:55] <coNP> thanks ScottK
[03:01] <zachy> hello
[03:02] <ScottK> Hello zachy
[03:04] <zachy> hi ScottK
[03:10] <toutouff> It works !
[03:10] <toutouff> :)
[03:11] <jrib> ScottK: regarding reverend ( http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=24 ), debuild -S -sa seems to automatically recreate debian/pycompat.  I'm building on feisty if that matters
[03:11] <ScottK> It does do that.  Good point.
[03:11] <ScottK> Which is, of course, why you don't need to provide it.
[03:12] <ScottK> That wasn't really a blocker.
[03:12] <ScottK> It does no harm.
[03:14] <jrib> let me try to delete the file and then run dput again without running debuild to keep it clean then
[03:16] <jrib> which of course won't work because dput uploads the diff.gz... heh
[03:16] <ScottK> jrib: Don't worry it.
[03:16] <ScottK> The pyversions thing was the main change I wanted.
[03:17] <jrib> alright
[03:17] <ScottK> Either that or an XS-Python-Version in the control file is required.
[03:21] <ScottK> jrib: Advocated.
[03:21] <jrib> ScottK: thanks for all your help
[03:21] <ScottK> No problem.  Thank you for contributing.
[03:22] <ScottK> So, any other MOTUs out there, http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=24 and http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=19 are looking for a 2nd ...
[03:23] <ScottK> coNP: Then go have a look at those and tell me if I missed something.
[03:40] <\sh> does anyone run a xinerama install with gutsy using radeon driver?
[03:43] <jeromeg> anyone from ubuntu-universe-sponsors to confirm a removal request :  bug 134037 ?
[03:44] <coNP> ScottK: checked. Reverend seems to be allrighty. The output of Mustang is quite "hard to interpret", i.e., seems to be affected by some string formatting issue. Not sure that it is the fault but I would fix it either upstream or with a patch before it gets included in Ubuntu.
[03:44] <Hobbsee> jeromeg: hasnt appeared on the ML yet, for some reason
[03:45] <coNP> s/Not sure that it is the fault/Almost sure that it is not the fault of the pacakger/
[03:45] <ScottK> coNP: Please pastebin me the comment you'd put in if you were a MOTU and I'll add it.
[03:45] <jeromeg> Hobbsee: ok, I just added uus when triaging, that must be why
[03:55] <ryanakca> hmm. What package do I need as depends for http://pastebin.ca/666812 ? I've tried libmysqlclient15off & libmysqlclient15-dev already...
[03:55] <Hobbsee> jeromeg: done
[04:00] <jeromeg> Hobbsee: thx
[04:03] <ScottK> http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=22 looking for a 2nd advocate too.
[04:03] <Hobbsee> ryanakca: i would have expected it to be the latter.
[04:04] <AndyP> ryanakca: did you try both at the same time and check that the symbol it's looking for is provided by the library?
[04:05] <ryanakca> AndyP: I've tried both together, and then each individually
[04:08] <coNP> ScottK: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/34652/
[04:08] <ScottK> looking
[04:08] <mohammad> I have uploaded Quran Translations for accepted package zekr: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=34 I appreciate if a motu reviews it.
[04:09] <coNP> Hobbsee: may I bug you with my favourite Openbox issue? :)
[04:09] <Hobbsee> coNP: nope!  :P
[04:10] <coNP> It is bug 119796. But I shouldn't even mention this, because I am not allowed to ... :)
[04:11] <ScottK> coNP: Done.  Thanks.
[04:11] <ScottK> mohammad: Am I going to find copyright problems in the package again?
[04:13] <mohammad> ScottK: i have change the copyright status to "not permitted to distribute for commercial purpose" which I think satisfies the rules of multiverse
[04:13] <AndyP> ryanakca: you are adding them as Build-Depends right?
[04:14] <ScottK> OK.  Why is that?
[04:14] <ScottK> I'm more concerned with the source of some of them.  The last time the first one I looked into clearly wasn't properly licensed.
[04:14] <ScottK> mohammad: ^^^
[04:15] <mohammad> http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/qmtintro.html (from where they were originally downloaded) described them as "not permitted to distribute for commercial purpose"
[04:15] <ScottK> That's a good reason.
[04:16] <mohammad> ScottK: Also I split the package for different langauges as you commented last time.
[04:16] <ScottK> OK.
[04:16] <ScottK> Actually I think that was Persia, but I agree.
[04:20] <mohammad> ScottK: I have to prepare to go to the University. so see you then and thank you.
[04:20] <ScottK> OK.
[04:21] <coNP> dholbach: you are too quick :)
[04:22] <dholbach> coNP: thanks ;-)
[04:29] <ScottK> coNP:  371 files changed, 41140 insertions(+), 22649 deletions(-) is a lot.  Are you going to fix up the bugs?
[04:30] <coNP> Which bugs?
[04:30] <ScottK> The ones that get filed after your UVFe gets approved?
[04:31] <coNP> You mean Openbox & Obconf?
[04:31] <coNP> Yes. I intend to take care of these.
[04:32] <norsetto> ScottK: coNP: we are contributors now not hopefuls (we lost all our hopes long ago....)
[04:32] <ScottK> OK.  Please sign up as bug contact for the packages if you haven't.
[04:32] <coNP> norsetto: are you also a MOTU-hopeful?
[04:32] <coNP> MOTU-hopeless, even.
[04:32] <ScottK> Apparently not anymore.
[04:33] <coNP> ScottK: I am almost sure I am still a bug contact
[04:33] <ScottK> OK.  Please make sure.
[04:34] <norsetto> yeah, supplicant is indeed more to the point :-(
[04:34] <coNP> Sorry, not for obconf, but I fixed that as well.
[04:34] <coNP> ScottK: it seems it can be a nice team play with the Debian Maintainer(s)
[04:35] <ScottK> Yes.  That's the best way when you can do it.
[04:41] <AndyP> are syncs still being processed now or is everything frozen?
[04:42] <dholbach> AndyP: they are, but you have to manually request them - no autosyncs anymore
[04:42] <superm1> morning guys
[04:42] <dholbach> AndyP: if they involve new upstream versions you need to follow http://wiki.ubuntu.com/FreezeExceptionProcess
[04:42] <dholbach> hey superm1
[04:42] <geser> AndyP: sync still can be filed but due to the tribe processing them seems to be on hold
[04:42] <coNP> hiya superm1
[04:43] <AndyP> dholbach, geser: great, thanks
[04:44] <dholbach> de rien
[04:45] <ScottK> Yes.  It'll all get accepted after the tribe freeze comes off.  Individual uploads/syncs for Universe can be manually pushed by the archive admins if desired as only Main is actually frozen right now.
[04:45] <ScottK> coNP: I acked both your UVFe's based on I get to blame you if stuff isn't fixed.
[04:45] <AndyP> good good, i just wondered if the sync i just requested was pointless, but it isn't :)
[04:46] <coNP> ScottK: thanks.
[04:46] <coNP> So you think it is not worth syncing?
[04:46] <coNP> Or you are afraid of a bunch of unnoticed bugs?
[04:47] <coNP> ScottK: how many ACKs do I need BTW?
[04:47] <ScottK> coNP: It's a big change a little late in the process.  As long as someone will mind it, I'm OK.
[04:47] <ScottK> Two.
[04:48] <ScottK> There's a balance here between releasing with an obsolete version and accepting big updates late in the process.
[04:48] <coNP> Actually I use (almost) these packages for some weeks now without any bugs.
[04:49] <coNP> Am I wrong that https://wiki.kubuntu.org/FreezeExceptionProcess does not mention you need two ACKs?
[04:51] <Hobbsee> ScottK: here's my vocal ack then.
[04:52] <ScottK> coNP: "Once one of the [WWW]  team members marks the bug as Confirmed you can proceed with uploading." - Our procedure in the team is that the 2nd person sets it to confirmed.
[04:52] <ScottK> Hobbsee: For both packages?
[04:52] <Hobbsee> ScottK: yeah.
[04:52] <Hobbsee> ScottK: although i dont know why we're needing two
[04:52] <Hobbsee> if hte last lot only had 1
[04:52] <ScottK> OK.  Maybe that was just me.
[04:53] <coNP> Thanks Hobbsee, ScottK :)
[04:55] <ScottK> coNP: Confirmed.
[04:55] <coNP> ScottK: Thanks. Now I only need to wait for some archive admin to do the sync, right?
[04:56] <zul> yep
[04:56] <ScottK> Oh, you wanted me to do the MOTU bit to it too.  I suppose I can do that.
[04:56] <coNP> Not that I could not subscribe someone, but rules are rules :)
[04:58] <ScottK> Yeah.  That's done too.
[04:58] <ScottK> Now
[04:58] <coNP> Thanks again.
[05:14] <geser> dholbach: I just realised that a MOTU meeting is scheduled for friday 12:00 UTC. Do you manage to handle the Q&A session and the MOTU meeting at the same time?
[05:15] <dholbach> arg arg arg arg :-(
[05:15] <dholbach> thanks geser for noticing
[05:16] <AndyP> shouldn't be too difficult :)
[05:16] <dholbach> geser: I guess I'll try - and hopefully that will be enough for me to remember to check next time
[05:16] <dholbach> if you announce a meeting next time, please keep fridge-devel@lists in the loop
[05:17] <dholbach> it's on their calendar now, ok
[05:17] <coNP> dholbach: may I bug you with my MOTU appliation? I guess only one more vote is needed, but I was told crimsun is not going to be around for some more time. Or should I be more patient? :-)
[05:18] <dholbach> coNP: if it's just that one vote missing, I'll forward it to the TB in a sec
[05:18] <mok1> ScottK: I am fixing the mustang output this very moment. Good point.
[05:18] <ScottK> mok1: Thank coNP.  It was his suggestion.
[05:18] <ScottK> coNP: Thanks.
[05:19] <superm1> coNP, you going to beat me to MOTU :) ?
[05:19] <coNP> Depends on ... :)
[05:20] <mok1> ScottK: I should perhaps add the detailed info about the btk-core manpages in changelog? Perhaps reviewers further downstream will also think it is a mistake...
[05:21] <ScottK> mok1: I put your response to my comment on REVU.  I think that's good enough.  If you end up updating the package for some other reason then I'd say yes.
[05:22] <mok1> ScottK: OK.
[05:28] <Lutin> jussi01: around ?
[05:28] <bmm> A debian package for the boswars game is under development, but I have no idea how sponsoring is going or when it will reach the repositories and come into ubuntu. Should I, in this stage of gutsy development, still post the package to revu or should I just wait for it to come into ubuntu and patch it?
[05:28] <jussi01> Lutin: Im here
[05:29] <ScottK> bmm: How do you think it will come to Ubuntu if you don't post it to REVU?
[05:29] <jussi01> ScottK: could it not be synced?
[05:30] <ScottK> From where?
[05:30] <bmm> ScottK: it's going to be part of debian, because the package is already under devlopment there. So then it will get into ubuntu when it get's synced with debian, right?
[05:30] <ScottK> Yes, but almost certainly not for Gutsy.
[05:30] <ScottK> It's have to get into Debian, through Debian NEW, and be synced before 30 Aug.
[05:31] <ScottK> Debian NEW generally takes longer than that.
[05:31] <Lutin> jussi01: kdenlive uploaded \o . try adding deb http://e17.dunnewind.net/ubuntu gutsy test to you sources.list and see if you can install
[05:31] <bmm> ScottK: so it would be ok to post it to REVU then?
[05:31] <jussi01> Lutin: ok, trying now
[05:32] <Riddell> siretart: my old revu password doesn't work
[05:32] <ScottK> bmm: Sure with appropriate version/distro changes for Ubuntu.  Just be aware that unless the package is in good shape the odds aren't good given # of reviewers/available time.
[05:32] <ScottK> Riddell: No one's will, you have to recover a new one.
[05:32] <Riddell> ScottK: how do I do that?
[05:33] <mok1> ScottK: Revised version of mustang uploaded. Thx!!!
[05:33] <ScottK> Yeah.  That one.
[05:33] <ScottK> mok1: Great.
[05:34] <jussi01> Lutin: it gives me a break
[05:34] <Lutin> jussi01: ?
[05:35] <jussi01> Lutin: when I select it in adept to install, it says BREAK (install)
[05:37] <Lutin> jussi01: no way to have something more verbose ?
[05:37] <jussi01> Lutin: fyi, I am using gutsy, if that is a problem
[05:37] <Lutin> so am I
[05:37] <Lutin> .w 9
[05:37] <Lutin> err.
[05:38] <jussi01> Lutin: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/34668/
[05:39] <Lutin> jussi01: lol. then, what does it say when you try to install libmlt++0.2.4 ?
[05:41] <jussi01> lutin I installed that but it then gave me:
[05:41] <jussi01> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[05:41] <jussi01>   kdenlive: Depends: libmlt++0.2.4 (>= 0.2.4) but 0.2.4~svn1024-0ubuntu0.1 is to be installed
[05:42] <Lutin> rofl. seems silly
[05:43] <jussi01> yeah
[05:44] <jussi01> Lutin: I got to walk my dog, be back in a little while
[05:45] <Lutin> actually makes sense...
[05:47] <Lutin> *sigh* . guess I have to fix it in the archive
[06:06] <ScottK> mok1: If you want to do another upload to clean up the btk package based on Riddell's comments, I'll upload it to the archive after.
[06:16] <mok1> ScottK: Working on jriddel's comments this very minute
[06:16] <ScottK> mok1: Great.
[06:16] <ScottK> I just advocated the new mustand upload.
[06:16] <ScottK> mustand/mustang
[06:16] <mok1> It will be exiting to see if it makes it!
[06:18] <mok1> Lintian is pretty stupid btw, I had XCSB-Original-Maintainer and it didn't recognize it :-)
[06:18] <Hobbsee> mok1: it's from debian.
[06:19] <Hobbsee> mok1: they dont use X-O-M stuff
[06:19] <Hobbsee> mok1: which is why it also complains about bad version number, and unknown changelog entry gutsy
[06:19] <mok1> Ah
[06:20] <mok1> But it
[06:20] <mok1> 's good with XSBC- :-)
[06:20] <ScottK> Hobbsee: The Gutsy Lintian doesn't whine about that stuff I don't think.
[06:21] <Hobbsee> oh neat, someone's updated it
[06:22] <ScottK> That or I just don't see it anymore.
[06:22] <Hobbsee> no, someone's done it
[06:25] <mok1> ScottK: btk-core fixed wrt.  jriddel's comments, and uploaded...
[06:25] <ScottK> Great.  I'll have a look in a few minutes.
[06:25] <kdubois> is the best way to start, just to try to resolve bugs on launchpad?
[06:26] <ScottK> Hobbsee: Would have have a look at http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=36.  I'm pretty sure it's in good shape.  Just needs a 2nd ack.
[06:26] <Hobbsee> i'm so *not*
[06:26] <ScottK> OK.
[06:26] <Hobbsee> it's 2.30am in the morning
[06:26] <ScottK> Perfect.
[06:26] <ScottK> But, OK>
[06:26] <ScottK> .
[06:27] <ScottK> kdubois: That's an excellent way to start.
[06:27] <ScottK> There is, however, more than one way to do it.
[06:27] <kdubois> other ways being?
[06:28] <ScottK> Package new software (although it's very late in the Gutsy cycle for that).
[06:28] <ScottK> Triage bugs.
[06:28] <ScottK> Merge updates from Debian.
[06:28] <kdubois> i think i'll do some bug hunting to start off with
[06:28] <kdubois> thanks though
[06:30] <kdubois> i heard that there's a Q+A planned for friday?
[06:35] <khermans> i have unpacked a deb to get control/data, then modified them, and I want to put the modified control.tar.gz back into the original dab
[06:35] <khermans> deb
[06:35] <khermans> i initially converted the package from RPM
[06:35] <khermans> since this is a closed source product i am trying to run on ubuntu
[06:37] <khermans> ScottK, no no no, has nothing to do with that
[06:38] <khermans> ScottK, is there some way to repack back to deb?
[06:38] <jussi01> Lutin: sorry, Im back now
[06:38] <khermans> the inverse of 'ar -x'
[06:38] <ScottK> khermans: Dunno.  I
[06:38] <khermans> :-(
[06:38] <ScottK> I've never had to do it.
[06:38] <ScottK> I'd suggest man ar as a place to start though.
[06:38] <khermans> ScottK, who would know?
[06:39] <ScottK> Hard to say.  It's not a normal thing we have to do.
[06:39] <Lutin> jussi01: ok. my fault....fix uploaded to the archive. if you can, please rebuild kdenlive against the new mlt++ once the source package hits the archive
[06:39] <khermans> ScottK, oooh mayb \e the r option
[06:39] <khermans> didnt know if this was a thing people did
[06:39] <khermans> thx
[06:40] <jussi01> Lutin: ok, when can I expect that?
[06:40] <Lutin> jussi01: dunno, depends on seb128 :] 
[06:41] <jussi01> Lutin: hehe, ok. so I just have to wait. :(
[06:45] <Lutin> jussi01: yep. I could rebuild them, but I won't have anough time today
[06:46] <khermans> ScottK, ar r foo.deb control.tar.gz worked
[06:46] <ScottK> Great.
[06:46] <khermans> :-)
[06:46] <khermans> thx
[06:49] <khermans> heh, ok now is there a stardard way of dealing with bad prerm scripts?
[06:49] <khermans> i cannot get apt to remove, i know there is astardard way to do this
[06:52] <jussi01> Lutin: thats fin
[06:52] <jussi01> e
[06:54] <Lutin> jussi01: do we lack _that_ much a non-linear video editor ? I got almost every day a 'when will kdenlive be available' mail
[06:55] <pygi> Lutin, there are others in development
[06:55] <pygi> pitivi
[06:57] <Lutin> pygi: seems nice :)
[07:07] <khermans> uh oh :-)
[07:07] <khermans> i accidentally did an rm -rf  on /var/lib/dpkg/info
[07:07] <khermans> am i screwed!?!
[07:07] <khermans> lol
[07:27] <sn9_> pygi, Lutin: pitivi was non-functional before gutsy
[07:27] <pygi> sn9_, because Edward did a lot of work lately, I know =)
[07:27] <pygi> well, not really non-functional, but ...
[07:27] <sn9_> any chance it could get backported to feisty?
[07:28] <pygi> sn9_, probably not, dependencies
[07:28] <sn9_> i know, hence the effort required
[07:29] <sn9_> somebody on the forums claimed to get the new version working on feisty using checkinstall
[07:30] <pygi> sn9_, checkinstall is not too good imho =) Well, is fine for personal usage
[07:30] <sn9_> i wasn't suggesting that
[07:31] <sn9_> i mean, it suggests it can be done
[07:31] <pygi> sn9_, sure it can be done =)
[07:32] <sn9_> afaik, checkinstall ignores deps, so how is it that someone got around the dep problems using it?
[07:34] <pygi> sn9_, well, they just get problems when using it with older revisions of gst
[07:34] <pygi> sn9_, or gnonlin
[07:41] <Lutin> oh, pitivi is python . ouch
[07:42] <pygi> Lutin, python rocks!
[07:43] <effie_jayx> :D
[07:43] <Lutin> pygi: yeah, it rocks. it loves eating memory too :}
[07:44] <pygi> Lutin, be shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!
[07:44] <superm1> mmm memory.....
[07:44] <pygi> Lutin, make it more efficient, I believe python upstream will welcome sane patches =)
[07:45] <Lutin> heh. I fear it's far beyond my skills
[08:30] <siretart> Riddell: right, because we started from 0. database has been reset
[08:31] <ScottK> siretart: He got it sorted.  He even reviewed stuff.
[08:31] <siretart> ah, I see
[08:47] <geser> AndyP: because you uploaded the last kid3 and lpia tried to build it now
[08:47] <ScottK> Or any kid3 since they set up the buildd perhaps.
[08:48] <AndyP> geser: ok... was i meant to have made it build on lpia? i know nothing about it
[08:49] <ScottK> AndyP: I wouldn't worry about it now.
[08:51] <AndyP> ScottK: oh i'm not worried, just curious about how the whole thing works
[08:51] <ScottK> Well they are still, AFAIK, working through some basic issues about getting a new arch up and running.
[08:52] <ScottK> I think there's probably an Ubuntu Mobile Edition IRC channel or mailing list if you are really interested.
[08:53] <AndyP> maybe i'll research into it when i've got more time on my hands
[09:04] <geser> AndyP: the IRC channel is #ubuntu-mobile
[09:05] <AndyP> geser: thanks
[09:06] <tonyyarusso> Since PPC is no longer an officially supported architecture, but would be "very nice" if things still built on it, and whereas a) I don't have a PPC machine and b) LP PPA accounts won't build unsupported architectures, is there any more efficient auto-build system that somebody could set up for easy testing that would be any better than just getting a friendly person here to give you SSH access to their box (what I've done so far) ?
[09:09] <ScottK> Adri2000 or Lutin: available for a DaD bug report?
[09:09] <ScottK> The REPORT for the currently pending Clamav merge says no problems, but there is in fact a conflict shown in the ubuntu1 patch.
[09:12] <Adri2000> ScottK: http://dad.dunnewind.net/clamav/REPORT ? it says there is a conflict
[09:12] <Adri2000>   C  debian/clamav-base.postinst.in
[09:13] <Adri2000> or you mean that: "No problems were encountered during the merge" ?
[09:13] <ScottK> Adri2000: Didn't read far enough.  Yeah.  That's what confused me.
[09:13] <ScottK> I saw that and thought WTF when I saw the conflict in the patch.
[09:13] <Adri2000> sure it's not very clear, but it means that the new source package has been successfully created (which is not the case sometimes when there are conflicts in debian/control for example)
[09:14] <ScottK> I see that now that I read on down.
[09:14] <ScottK> I guess debian/control is where I've always had conflicts before.
[09:22] <nixternal> TheMuso: hey, Intel audio is back and working as it should, ie. muting and volume up/down with master and not pcm
[09:22] <nixternal> however, you can barely hear the audio now...kind of like Dapper and Edgy days
[09:29] <mok0> ping
[09:30] <xxxxx1> pong
[09:32] <ScottK> pop
[09:32] <ScottK> mok0: btk is uploaded.
[09:32] <mok0> Cool
[09:32] <mok0> What happens next?
[09:34] <ScottK> mok0: It's in the NEW queue (with kssh) waiting for archive admin review.  Once they accept it, it goes into the archives for building, then the binary goes back to NEW again, once it gets accepted it gets published and it's done. https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/gutsy/+queue?queue_state=0&queue_text=
[09:37] <mok0> ScottK: So there are still some stumbling blocks!
[09:37] <mok0> What happens if it doesn't compile on all platforms?
[09:38] <ScottK> Well the big check is the archive admin check of the NEW source.  That's mostly for copyright/license issues.
[09:38] <mok0> OK. That's what I find the most difficult...
[09:38] <ScottK> If it doesn't compile on all archs, then you fix it and we upload ubuntu2.
[09:38] <mok0> I can only check i386 myself
[09:39] <ScottK> Starting soon LP will have a personal package archive feature available (it's available to beta testers now) and you'll be able to do i386 and (I think) AMD64 on it.
[09:40] <mok0> I sent an email to become registered, but never got a reply :(
[09:40] <ScottK> Hmmm.  I've never signed up.
[09:42] <ScottLij> How does one get involved in the open source community?  I've read some MOTU pages but I don't see how to get a mentor(s)
[09:43] <mok0> ScottLij: Can you program?
[09:44] <ScottLij> mok0: Yes, I know C++, Java, and some basic php, c#, and python
[09:44] <AndyP> ScottLij: did you read https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Mentoring/Contributor ?
[09:44] <ScottK> A formal mentor is NOT required.  You can just show up and start doing stuff.
[09:45] <AndyP> the more Scotts the merrier :)
[09:46] <zul> ScottK: i would checkout the todo and start cracking
[09:46] <ScottK> zul: I would check on your tab completion.
[09:46] <zul> ScottK: yeah i know I was half asleep when I was looking at it
[09:47] <mok0> zui: does that mean we are talking to your subconcience?
[09:47] <zul> maybe
[09:47] <zul> maybe none of you exist
[09:48] <AndyP> that would be most inconvenient
[09:49] <mok0> The problem with fixing bugs is that they might never come through
[09:49] <Nafallo> zul: you could get my existance verified those days :-)
[09:49] <zul> Nafallo: meh..its called a lack of sleep
[09:49] <Nafallo> :-P
[09:50] <zul> anyways...im going home to sleep
[09:52] <ScottK> mok0: What do you mean by "Never come through"?
[09:54] <mok0> Uhm, I fixed a (trivial) bug in python-biopython version 1.42, but I was told that it was fixed in gutsy and would not be updated in feisty.
[09:55] <mok0> gutsy has version 1.43 where the bug is fixed)
[09:55] <AndyP> that's just a problem with fixing trivial bugs in stable releases :)
[09:56] <mok0> Yes, but it was serious enough, because if you had biopython installed, the error message popped up every time python is invoked by dpkg
[09:56] <ScottK> Ah.
[09:57] <mok0> So although it was a learning experience, it is not motivating that bug fixes are not distributed as updates
[09:57] <AndyP> mok0: there's always backports...
[09:58] <mok0> AndyP: You mean it goes into edgy backports?
[09:58] <ScottK> Also we are nearing the end of the development part of Gutsy.  From next week on out the focus is bug fixing for Gutsy.
[09:59] <mok0> ScottK: Aha. When does the devel phase end?
[09:59] <AndyP> mok0: no, feisty-backports if you wanted the gutsy fix in feisty (but as ScottK said, your efforts are better spent on gutsy at the moment)
[09:59] <ScottK> We are pretty much there.
[09:59] <soothsayer> Where do updates of packages incubate before they are released to repositories?
[09:59] <ScottK> We are past upstream version freeze and feature freeze now.
[10:00] <coNP> !schedule | mok0
[10:00] <ubotu> mok0: Ubuntu releases a new version every 6 months. Each version is supported for 18 months to 5 years. More info at http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/releases & http://wiki.ubuntu.com/TimeBasedReleases
[10:00] <ScottK> soothsayer: For Gutsy they go directly there.
[10:00] <mok0> I see. So wrt. to e.g. kssh, it will not be in gutsy?
[10:00] <ScottK> For released distros they go to *-proposed for testing.
[10:00] <ScottK> mok0: It will.
[10:01] <soothsayer> ScottK: "Fix committed" in Launchpad implies that the updated package should be available in repos immediately?
[10:01] <ScottK> soothsayer: No.  That would be fix released.
[10:01] <ScottK> Everything in NEW on 30 Aug will go into Gutsy unless rejected.
[10:01] <mok0> Wow. Still a lot to learn :-)
[10:01] <ScottK> So you have until 30 Aug to get stuff INTO the NEW queue.
[10:02] <soothsayer> ScottK: Where do "fix committed" packages go?
[10:02] <ScottK> soothsayer: For a released version "Fix Committed" generally means it's in the *-proposed repository for testing.
[10:02] <soothsayer> ScottK: And for Gutsy?
[10:02] <mok0> ScottK: I have a few packages pending upstream action
[10:03] <ScottK> It also covers the few hours between when it's uploaded and when it's published/built.
[10:03] <mok0> ScottK:  Perhaps you remember "kaksi" and "wulfware"
[10:04] <ScottK> Yes
[10:04] <ScottK> mok0: If you can (and you want them in Gutsy) I'd repack the tarballs and upload them now.
[10:04] <mok0> ScottK: I sent a whole bunch of patches to the wulfware guy, but he is busy atm.
[10:05] <mok0> ScottK:  I could do that...
[10:05] <ScottK> You've seen how many people we have doing reviews, so time is getting short.
[10:06] <mok0> ScottK:  Yes I know. I have also seen that you have been very productive!
[10:07] <ScottK> I've been working on a database thing the last couple of days so I have some time between runs while I wait for it to crash.
[10:08] <mok0> What about the "bug based" reviewing that Daniel outlined on the mailing list? Will that take over from REVU?
[10:09] <ScottK> I have no idea.
[10:09] <ScottK> Myself I never look at the new package bugs.
[10:09] <ScottK> I just look at what's on REVU.
[10:09] <ScottK> It is.
[10:10] <norsetto> hehehe
[10:10] <norsetto> people is too eager to complain and critic I must say
[10:11] <mok0> norsetto's annoyed at mok for giving away his exam question yesterday :-)
[10:11] <mok0> norsetto: people ARE ;-)
[10:11] <norsetto> mok0: and on top of that you broke my dbgless phone....
[10:12] <soothsayer> ScottK: Are the source packages on the build server publically accessible? Can I get the source and build it myself before it goes 'fix released'?
[10:12] <mok0> norsetto: ... when you aimed it at my head...
[10:13] <ScottK> soothsayer: Yes.  Look for the package on Launchpad and you can get it from there if no where else.
[10:13] <soothsayer> ScottK: Thaks
[10:13] <soothsayer> ScottK: Thanks
[10:13] <ScottK> soothsayer: Is it's in *=proposed you can enable that repository and get the binary.
[10:14] <ScottK> soothsayer: Look for the bug the upload fixes and comment on if it works for you because that's what get's it released to *-updates.
[10:28] <mok0> If there is no mention of license in a software package, does that imply it is in the public domain?
[10:29] <soothsayer> mok0:
[10:29] <ScottK> No
[10:29] <soothsayer> mok0: No
[10:29] <mok0> What is it, then?
[10:29] <soothsayer> Unknown. You have to find out
[10:30] <ScottK> mok0: Copyright is inherent and so without an explicit permission to distribute, there is no permission to distribute.
[10:30] <ScottK> That's one of the true beauties of the GPL.
[10:30] <mok0> The software is distributed by the author
[10:30] <mok0> without any notice of copyright
[10:30] <ScottK> Right, but he has to give you right to furhter distribute or you don't have it.
[10:31] <ScottK> In the US anyway, since 1975, and I think elsewhere too, copyright notice has not been required.
[10:31] <mok0> Aha.
[10:32] <ScottK> When people whine about GPL restrictions not being applicable to their distrbution of GPL software, they just argued they have no right to distribute at all.
[10:32] <mok0> This author has not worked on the software since 1998. I thought of adopting it and releasing under GPL
[10:32] <ScottK> You have to ask the author.
[10:32] <mok0> ScottK: If I can find him...
[10:33] <ScottK> Yep.  That can be the tricky part.  Or the organization is maybe they own the rights.
[10:33] <mok0> This guy was at Berkeley
[10:34] <mok0> Perhaps it's a BSD license then
[10:34] <soothsayer> mok0: You can't just assume, however much you might want to
[10:34] <mok0> soothsayer:  Yeah I know... just pondering...
[10:35] <ScottK> You might ask the department he was in for permission.
[10:35] <mok0> ScottK:  Good idea. I will get to work on that.
[10:35] <nixternal> MOTUS!!!! Just for you, by me! -> http://www.zug.com/pranks/faoschwarz/index02.html
[10:35] <nixternal> work friendly fyi
[10:36] <soothsayer> mok0: You are probably going to have trouble if he did the work for the University
[10:37] <soothsayer> mok0: I would try to get contact information from the University if you can't find it anywhere else but don't try to get permission from them right away.
[10:37] <soothsayer> Universities have 'technology transfer' departments these days. They are businesses looking to monetize anything they can.
[10:38] <AndyP> nixternal: omg poniez!!</obligatory>
[10:38] <nixternal> hehe
[10:38] <ScottK> mmmm. pony.....
[10:38] <mok0> soothsayer:  Also Berkeley?
[10:38] <ScottK> Some more than others.
[10:38] <ScottK> More so than it used to be.
[10:38] <ScottK> It never hurts to ask.
[10:39] <soothsayer> mok0: I can't speak for Berkeley specifically.
[10:39] <soothsayer> mok0: I doubt they are exceptional
[10:39] <AndyP> my dissertation project is going to be GPL'd... the only open source project in my year, i think. go me.
[10:40] <norsetto> mok0: out of curiosity, what is this software for?
[10:40] <nixternal> haha, I just read the text on that page that goes with the picture
[10:40] <soothsayer> AndyP: Did you get University permission?
[10:40] <mok0> soothsayer: the package is in Fink ... :-/
[10:40] <mok0> http://neurovision.berkeley.edu/software/A_Cgraph.html
[10:40] <mok0> http://pdb.finkproject.org/pdb/package.php/cgraph
[10:40] <ScottK> Here's a lovely error message, "close failed: [Errno 0]  Success"
[10:41] <AndyP> soothsayer: as good as... it's an "industry partnership" that i'm doing with Red Hat
[10:41] <soothsayer> AndyP: Nice.
[10:42] <AndyP> soothsayer: yeah, i'm quite happy about it
[10:42] <mok0> soothsayer: the webpage says: "The Cgraph Library source code, examples, and documentation are in the public domain"
[10:42] <mok0> ... but there is no statement of such in the tarball.
[10:42] <soothsayer> mok0: Except utils direcotry
[10:42] <mok0> soothsayer:  there is nothing I need in there
[10:43] <ScottK> mok0: If it says it on the web page you can probably repack the tarball with a copy of the web page or something.
[10:43] <soothsayer> mok0: I don't think there is a rule that a license has to be in the tarball
[10:43] <ScottK> soothsayer: Actually there is.
[10:43] <soothsayer> mok0: Check with debian-legal, or Ubuntu equivalent if it exists
[10:44] <ScottK> That's the first thing that will get you bounced by the archive admins.
[10:44] <ScottK> mok0 has been burned by this already, so he know.
[10:44] <mok0> soothsayer: Oh? my package kssh was rejected because of lack of license texts in the upstream tarball.
[10:44] <soothsayer> ScottK: I wasn't talking about packages you submit to Ubuntu, I meant from a copyright policy perspective
[10:44] <ScottK> mok0 is getting very good at repacked tarballs.
[10:44] <ScottK> Oh.  Sure.
[10:45] <mok0> So, assuming the software is public domain, I could re-release it GPL'ed, yes?
[10:45] <ScottK> That's why I said he could repack it and add the information.
[10:45] <ScottK> Public domain is public domain.  No license required.
[10:45] <soothsayer> mok0: Anyway, I can't believe that this package is the best thing available at doing what you need
[10:45] <mok0> Yeah, I find I have to repack everything I've looked at
[10:46] <mok0> soothsayer: It's used by another program I need, and I don't care to change that other program.
[10:46] <soothsayer> mok0: Ah okay
[10:47] <mok0> soothsayer:  In fact, it's _included_ in the other software, but I'd rather separate it. Perhaps that's a bad idea...
[11:00] <ScottK> man-di: If you haven't seen this: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-discuss/2007-August/001503.html I'd imagine you'd be interested.