=== asac_ [n=asac@debian/developer/asac] has joined #ubuntu-mozillateam === Jazzva [n=sasa@cable-89-216-129-52.dynamic.sbb.co.yu] has joined #ubuntu-mozillateam === IdleOne [n=idleone@unaffiliated/idleone] has joined #ubuntu-mozillateam === IdleOne [n=idleone@unaffiliated/idleone] has joined #ubuntu-mozillateam === Paddy_EIRE [n=patrick@89.240.243.205] has joined #ubuntu-mozillateam === bosky101 [n=bosky101@125.16.223.226] has joined #ubuntu-mozillateam === Paddy_EIRE [n=patrick@89.240.243.205] has joined #ubuntu-mozillateam === ubotu [n=ubotu@ubuntu/bot/ubotu] has joined #ubuntu-mozillateam [09:48] ola === JenFraggle [n=jen@91.84.43.217] has joined #ubuntu-mozillateam === jeromeg [n=jerome@gra94-2-82-66-142-60.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-mozillateam [10:23] hi [10:23] asac, i've started to work on xulrunner. === asac waves at Ubulette [10:24] great [10:24] it's based on 1.8.1.6-1 from Debian but if you have a bzr/svn/git/whatever somewhere, please tell me [10:25] Ubulette: please take care that you get the diffs we currently carry in ubuntu 1.8.1.4 over to it [10:25] ... e.g. do the merge [10:25] yep [10:26] Ubulette: anyway ... maybe it would be worth to consider how upstreams idea about packaging this is [10:26] we should discuss the "mozilla" vs "debian" way. [10:26] I'll email you a proposal [10:26] i don't have time right now. [10:27] sure [10:27] yep, that's my plan [10:27] take your time ... you already did a lot in the last week(s) [10:28] :) [10:30] i'm out, see you. === Ubulette is now known as _Ubulette === shirish [n=shirish@59.95.39.59] has joined #ubuntu-mozillateam [10:35] _Ubulette: you there m8? === Bernardo [n=Bernardo@84.39.81.187] has joined #ubuntu-mozillateam [10:53] shirish: no he had to leave [10:57] asac: ok cool, I just wanted him to know that yesterday's firefox-trunk has issues with downloading, it segfaults when you try to download stuff. [10:58] asac: btw do you also have your own mini-repository or do you take stuff from Ubulette or he takes the new trunk stuff from you? [11:00] good morning === JenFraggle_ [n=jen@91.84.43.217] has joined #ubuntu-mozillateam === shirish [n=shirish@59.95.39.59] has left #ubuntu-mozillateam ["Leaving."] [11:15] Bernardo: morning [11:15] hmm shirish is gone [11:18] hello [11:18] asac : could you have a look at bug 131743 ? [11:18] it could be a problem with firefox [11:19] liferea-add-feed works perfectly with epiphany or in command line [11:19] and used to work with firefox in feisty [11:25] bug 131743 [11:25] hmm ubotu is dead [11:26] jeromeg: how do you set the external application? [11:26] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/liferea/+bug/131743 [11:27] asac : let's do an example [11:27] go to the planet ubuntu page [11:27] on the adress bar click on the rss icon [11:27] the yellow "thing" to set the external application appears [11:28] then I browse to set the external application to liferea-add-feed [11:28] click ok [11:28] and nothing happens [11:29] (of course cilck suscribe now before saying that nothing happens) [11:30] i don't see a yellow thing [11:31] please show a screenshot [11:31] ok [11:31] thing is not very percise :) [11:31] *precise [11:31] well for me it works [11:31] it's a frame on top of the feed [11:31] http://planet.ubuntu.com/rss20.xml [11:31] yep [11:32] then i use "susbribe to feed using ... Other Application ... [11:32] yes [11:32] then i go to /usr/bin/ and select lifearea-add-feed [11:32] works [11:32] and liferea-add-feed [11:32] hu? [11:32] just works [11:32] with gutsy ? [11:32] it was added to my lifearea [11:32] no ;) [11:32] ahhhh :) [11:32] I perfer this :) [11:33] try with gutsy and you will see [11:33] yes ... can you ping me later today? [11:33] i have to ramp up my gutsy box, but i am currently doing something else :) [11:33] if you want, no problem [11:33] cool [11:33] in 3 hours or so [11:34] ok [12:24] Hello :)... [01:01] hi [01:01] Bernardo: there? === jeromeg [n=jerome@gra94-2-82-66-142-60.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-mozillateam [01:19] Hello, asac :) [01:19] Jazzva: how is your study going? [01:20] Hmm... so far so good :). Well, unless we don't talk about analog electronics exam... But it's not obligatory for me at the moment. [01:21] For the second exam... well, I knew the subject pretty much good before, but made few writing mistakes, which was bad. I hope I learned how not to make them :). [01:23] I'm here just to see and do two or three bugs for the Ubuntu Bug day :). BTW, I think I know why gnome-voice-control doesn't start, just have to check it, which will probably be after saturday. [01:23] How's your work going? === IdleOne [n=idleone@unaffiliated/idleone] has left #ubuntu-mozillateam ["Leaving"] === IdleOne [n=idleone@unaffiliated/idleone] has joined #ubuntu-mozillateam [02:03] lots of work ... and little time ;) [02:03] i have an appoint ment now ... so will be gone for 1.5-2h [02:05] Have fun ;)... [02:06] I'll probably be away for the rest of the afternoon and studying... === shirish [n=shirish@59.95.39.59] has joined #ubuntu-mozillateam === shirish [n=shirish@59.95.39.59] has left #ubuntu-mozillateam ["Leaving."] === jeromeg [n=jerome@gra94-2-82-66-142-60.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-mozillateam [03:17] asac : you asked me to ping you [03:30] Off for some time... Have fun. [03:35] jeromeg: asac is off for the appointment, should be back in the next 15-20 minutes. [03:37] Jazzva|away: thx [03:37] No prob :)... [03:46] back [03:46] jeromeg: in what context? [03:46] asac: the liferea bug [03:47] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/liferea/+bug/131743 [03:47] a ... see how slippy my memory is [03:47] :) [03:58] jeromeg: ok let me move to my other system === asac_the_2nd [n=asac@e177172129.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #ubuntu-mozillateam [04:00] ok [04:00] lol [04:00] you remember how to reproduce ? [04:00] yes [04:01] ok [04:02] ok running liferea-add-feed http://planet.ubuntu.com/rss20.xml from command line works [04:04] asac_the_2nd: yep and this fonctionnality works in epiphany ( with an extension) [04:04] i reported upstream (liferea) but I wanted to be sure it's not a problem with firefox [04:04] do you know another feed agregator we can test ? [04:23] jeromeg: can you please try with upstream binary ffox release? [04:25] asac_the_2nd: where can I find it ? [04:27] http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub [04:27] from there browse down [04:27] firefox / releases ... version [04:27] i doubt that its an upstream bug [04:28] asac_the_2nd: ok I'm launching my VM [04:28] you can just download unpack ... then run [04:28] you need old libstdc++5 installed [04:30] asac_the_2nd: ok i'm downloading it [04:30] 30 kb/s ... [04:31] jeromeg: its probably not an upstream bug ... if you don't see it there, please close it as invalid [04:31] e.g. we still carry debian/patches/flat-chrome-fix.patch ... which was needed in feisty as we shipped firefox with (unsupported) flat chrome [04:32] i think that patch now comes back with a bug [04:32] asac_the_2nd: so it must be a firefox problem ? [04:32] and not liferea ? [04:33] its definityl a firefox (ubuntu) bug [04:33] asac_the_2nd: ok thx, I will warn upstream [04:33] you see the errors in Tools -> Error Console [04:33] where is the upstream bug? === shirish [n=shirish@59.95.26.173] has joined #ubuntu-mozillateam [04:33] at mozilla? [04:34] no no, liferea [04:34] ah ok ... then its not that bad :) [04:34] asac_the_2nd: is it ok to upgrade to 2.6.22.10, does anybody know? http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/34653/ [04:35] no idea ... this box did refuse to upgrade the kernel a few hours ago [04:35] so maybe its impossible ;) [04:36] shirish: better as on motu ... and let me know :) [04:36] asac_the_2nd: yup, you are right, Hobbsee just confirmed it couple of mins. ago, the kernel is not full done yet [04:36] k === shirish [n=shirish@59.95.26.173] has left #ubuntu-mozillateam ["Leaving."] [04:40] asac_the_2nd: ok you were right, it's not in upstream [04:40] ok , please assign it to firefox then [04:40] or better add firefox target so liferea users find it [04:40] still [04:41] and give me bugid [04:41] asac_the_2nd: ok [04:42] jeromeg: do you know how to build a package so you can test if it goes away when we drop this patch? [04:42] or do i need to provide test packages? [04:43] asac_the_2nd: yep I will do it [04:43] asac_the_2nd: but not now my granma arrived :) [04:43] jeromeg: just apt-get source firefox; apt-get build-dep firefox [04:44] asac_the_2nd: yep yep I know it's ok [04:44] then comment out the flat-chrome patch in debian/patches/series [04:44] ah ok [04:44] in one or two hours [04:44] see you [04:44] jeromeg: thanks ... have fun with your granma [04:44] cu [04:44] :) === asac_ [n=asac@debian/developer/asac] has joined #ubuntu-mozillateam === jeromeg [n=jerome@gra94-2-82-66-142-60.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-mozillateam [05:10] asac : ok I will start to build the package [05:10] the bug id : https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox/+bug/131743 [05:21] asac_ : what patch should I remove ? [05:21] I can't remember === asac [n=asac@debian/developer/asac] has joined #ubuntu-mozillateam === asac [n=asac@debian/developer/asac] has joined #ubuntu-mozillateam === asac [n=asac@debian/developer/asac] has joined #ubuntu-mozillateam === Paddy_EIRE [n=patrick@89.240.243.205] has joined #ubuntu-mozillateam [06:05] asac : are you here ? [06:09] yes [06:09] though i had some connection outage [06:11] ojk [06:11] what was the patch concerning the firefox/liferea bug ? [06:21] flat-chrome-feed.patch [06:21] or something like that [06:21] search for feed in series [06:21] should be only one match [06:21] jeromeg: ^ [06:22] asac: ok it's what I had thought, it has been building for a long time... [06:22] never build something so long [06:23] what sys spec? [06:26] amd athlon 3200 + [06:26] mem? [06:26] 1G [06:26] ok ... maybe 1h ? [06:27] ouch [06:27] might depend on your disks [06:27] ok [06:27] maybe less ... maybe longer [06:27] and you compile it often ? [06:28] yes ... for me it takes a little less than 30 minutes if i use 2 cores [06:28] but i usually don't build to test something [06:28] to test i just build incrementally [06:28] either just a make; make install if i change upstream code ... or dh_install et al to see if other changes are good [06:29] for upstream code changes i usually test in build-tree/mozilla/dist/bin [06:29] so i don't build packages at all ... but just start ./firefox there [06:29] ah ok [06:30] but anyway ... i build 5 or more mozilla apps regularly in ubuntu and for security releases even all debian stuff et al ... so ;) its painful still [06:32] yep, poor kernel devs :) === asac_the_2nd [n=asac@d112132.adsl.hansenet.de] has joined #ubuntu-mozillateam === shirish [n=shirish@59.95.26.173] has joined #ubuntu-mozillateam [07:01] asac_the_2nd: have you been able to upgrade the kernel? I'm upgrading it now [07:01] ;) [07:02] no i am not really after getting a kernel upgrade :) ... what is new? === Paddy_EIRE [n=patrick@89.240.243.205] has joined #ubuntu-mozillateam [07:06] asac : just realized I didn't run debuild -S -sa ... [07:07] asac: I haven't yet looked at the upgrade notes, what I'm looking forward to is a kernel build so debugging can begin again, 4 months & not once I could give any good debugging stuff :( [07:08] scratch the good [07:08] asac : I will do that tomorrow [07:10] bbiaf === shirish [n=shirish@59.95.26.173] has left #ubuntu-mozillateam ["Leaving."] === ubotu [n=ubotu@ubuntu/bot/ubotu] has joined #ubuntu-mozillateam === Ubulette [n=Ubulette@APuteaux-153-1-26-221.w82-124.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-mozillateam [07:56] hi === Bernardo [n=Bernardo@89.181.56.200] has joined #ubuntu-mozillateam [08:02] mozilla bug 373911 [08:02] hmm, didn't know that some bugs were private === shirish [n=shirish@59.95.26.173] has joined #ubuntu-mozillateam [08:23] back [08:23] and I see Ubulette has returned [08:23] Ubulette: hi ;) [08:25] Ubulette: there is/was an issue with firefox-trunk yesterday, downloading any file would result in a crash/segmentation fault. [08:26] I've modified my bot to build dbgsym ddebs [08:26] don't know if it worked yet [08:27] Ubulette: that's super [08:28] Ubulette: I just updated the archive & it doesn't show dbgsym ddebs as of yet :( [08:28] they're build but not pushed yet [08:29] Ubulette: ah ok, in that case cool enough, most probably with tomorrow's build perhaps, or are you going to start with 2007082119 [08:33] hmm, trunk failed to build today, not sure of the reason yet, maybe my dbgsym patch. [08:34] Ubulette: you found something that might cause dbgsym to be borked? [08:35] maybe it has something todo with the sequence dh_strip is run against the bin packages? [08:35] my bot produces logs, but not this time.. strange as it's the 1st time in months [08:35] Ubulette: i was wondering, as yesterday it was up about an hr. earlier. [08:36] I have to wait for the email at the end of the batch to have clues.. [08:36] asac_the_2nd: partly my fault perhaps, I asked Ubulette to make the -dbgsym packages [08:36] Ubulette: you remember out of your head if -dev package is debbed-up before the plain binary paackage? [08:37] well ... if he hasn't found the reason why dbg symbols go to wrong package then they will be pretty useless [08:37] shirish, cvs20070821t1129 represent the date and time (2007/08/21 11:29) of the last commit on mozilla bonsai [08:38] Ubulette: do you build on every commit? [08:38] no [08:38] ;) [08:38] god no [08:38] who knows ... maybe your systems are idle otherwise :) [08:38] time is not mine, it's theirs [08:39] ah [08:39] Ubulette: thanx for clearing up the 1129, I was able to pick up till the date but not the time [08:39] it did that so it's easy to see what inside looking at bonsai [08:40] as the stupid cvs has no revision number [08:41] hm, i have several ddebs for other packages.. only trunk failed [08:41] interesting [08:41] Ubulette: they should update/upgrade to svn, as I understand svn has revision numbers. [08:42] or git/bzr/hg or whatever.. everything but not cvs [08:43] branching into cvs is horrible [08:43] Ubulette: git & bzr I know/heard what's hg? [08:43] hg = mercurial [08:44] Ubulette: maybe try to export from hg.mozilla.org [08:44] refering to chemistry [08:44] if you have luck it just works [08:44] Ubulette: Stripping package directory... [08:44] thats what i see in build log [08:44] probably --disable-strip --disable-strip-libs is not honoured in new make install [08:45] Linking .xpt files... [08:45] [browser] [08:45] Linking .xpt files completed. [08:45] Stripping package directory... [08:45] thats a bit more context ... [08:45] yeah its really in make install [08:46] so that is the reason ... now we just need a fix ;) [08:46] Ubulette: then how do you know to pick up the daily build or is really random build? [08:47] ? [08:48] my build has nothing to do with mozilla's daily builds [08:48] i thought its our build+ [08:48] i fetch cvs daily and build that using the rules in bzr trunk [08:48] which is broken in regards to dbgsym creation [08:49] apologies gentlemen, I was under the impression that we are just syncing with mozilla's daily build [08:49] asac_the_2nd, maybe but I'll have a clue once i get the email ;) [08:49] Ubulette: have you forgotten? [08:49] i do know that they have an hourly build also [08:49] Ubulette: they are ... don't wait for the mail ;) [08:50] Ubulette: you can look at paradiso build log ... http://launchpadlibrarian.net/8886883/buildlog_ubuntu-gutsy-i386.firefox-granparadiso_3.0%7Ealpha7-0ubuntu6_FULLYBUILT.txt.gz [08:50] there it reads what i pasted above [08:50] asac_the_2nd: also I was not trying to emphasize or say who's build it is or meant anything like that, I'm just looking to see what's new cooking & that's that. [08:51] shirish: i don't put anything in question here [08:51] havin regular builds is good ... we detect things earlier and can react faster [08:53] asac_the_2nd, yes, i remember our -dbg is bad, but ddeb are not based on -dbg but on dh_strip === shirish will just hang about & try to catch conversation although some stuff off the head for the moment. [08:54] Ubulette: right ... but dbgsym are borked as well === JenFraggle [n=jen@91.84.43.217] has joined #ubuntu-mozillateam [08:55] for the veriy same reason [08:55] we found that so you don't have to wait for them :) [08:55] read above for the reason ;) [08:55] new mozilla install just doesn't obey --disable-strip apparently [08:57] asac, well, -dbg needs work for sure. but i'm also wondering why my build aborted so abruptly (that's why I'm waiting for the email of the bot).. but that's my problem ;) === gnomefreak [n=gnomefre@ubuntu/member/gnomefreak] has joined #ubuntu-mozillateam [08:58] hmm, just found another bug in trunk [08:58] hi gnomefreak !! [08:58] ok i think i have a steeady connection now :( [08:58] Ubulette: your gonna find alot of them ;) [08:58] hi Ubulette [08:58] could anyone try http://paris1900.lartnouveau.com/cartes_postales_anciennes/la_crue_de_1910.htm on trunk / gp ? [08:58] trying [08:59] did we fix the profile issue yet? [08:59] there's a syntax error in the page but FF2 is okay with it, not FF3 [09:00] blank page? [09:00] gnomefreak, profile issue ? we create a different profile now (importing FF2 one) [09:00] yep, FF3 shows a blank page [09:00] ok just as long as its not overwriting ff2's [09:00] trying iceape [09:01] works in icepae [09:01] icepae [09:01] oh screw it you know what i mean [09:02] asac, lol, my build failed because i was using my own bzr branh, which i renamed yesterday [09:02] so it failed at the beginning :) [09:03] (i knew the email would help) [09:03] hi gnomefreak [09:03] hi asac [09:03] Ubulette: i think i will take a look [09:03] wait a second [09:03] hmm, ftbs in totem too. gasp [09:04] asac, btw, i haven't touched -dbg, afair [09:06] Ubulette: read again what i wrote ;) [09:06] it has nothing to do with you [09:06] or your work :) [09:06] it was working with a5, no ? === jeromeg [n=jerome@gra94-2-82-66-142-60.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-mozillateam [09:07] yes .... read what i wrote ... the new make install patch is ignorant [09:07] it just doesn't honour --disable-strip [09:07] oh,really ? [09:07] yes ... look at what i pasted above ;) [09:08] 20:45 < asac_the_2nd> Linking .xpt files... [09:08] 20:45 < asac_the_2nd> [browser] [09:08] 20:45 < asac_the_2nd> Linking .xpt files completed. [09:08] 20:45 < asac_the_2nd> Stripping package directory... [09:08] ^^^ [09:08] yep [09:09] and its definitly the output of the new make install [09:09] i am currently extracting trunk tarball ... lets see ... maybe its something trivial [09:11] i have it here, looking (damn tracker is useless) [09:11] hmm [09:11] ifndef PKG_SKIP_STRIP [09:11] @echo "Stripping package directory..." [09:11] hmm [09:12] why the hell is PKG_SKIP_STRIP not on? [09:12] another config option? [09:15] you sure ? [09:15] it's a find removing files, not a strip of binaries [09:15] oh, lol, no [09:15] oops === hjmf_ [n=hjmf@7.Red-83-44-173.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-mozillateam [09:18] Ubulette: http://people.ubuntu.com/~asac/patches/installer_shouldnt_skip_strip_if_disable_strip_configured [09:18] hi all [09:18] Ubulette: try that [09:19] you just did it ? [09:19] yes [09:19] should be the proper place [09:20] otherwise even more central in rules [09:20] rules.mk [09:20] :) [09:20] i mean [09:20] asac: thunderbird now default inswtall in gutsy? [09:20] install* [09:21] Ubulette: i think there is a generic install target ... you could set the PKG_SKIP_STRIP in case ENABLE_STRIP isn't set there to get a healing for all apps [09:21] gnomefreak: why do you think? [09:22] asac: because someone said on clean feisty update-manager wanted to install thunderbird === gnomefreak cant see user set up though [09:22] haven't heard of that [09:22] maybe some universe package recommends thunderbird? [09:23] (or main package) ... can't know [09:23] asac: i think he had something else he installed but hes gone now [09:25] IIRC there is something in dpkg some switch which tells if any package is a dependancy of something else. (think its called reverse dependancy or something like that) [09:25] apt-cache rdepends [09:27] yup that was it, apt-cache rdepends used it, looked at it, forgot it [09:30] asac: :( [09:30] asac: 15:28 < kiba > Package is in a very bad inconsistent state - you should [09:30] 15:28 < kiba > reinstall it before attempting a removal. [09:31] mozilla-gnash-plugin [09:31] again no issues here with it [09:31] Ubulette: that reminds me you guys have mozilla-gnash-plugin too, in your repository? [09:31] yeah ... not my fault ... pygi pushed an update through a MOTU without asking ... actually it should be fixed here [09:32] oh ok [09:33] shirish: maybe it just works? [09:33] shirish: can you try with paradiso? [09:33] shirish, i don't package that [09:33] (i'm not even using it :p) [09:35] asac: sure can do although haven't installed it, lemme see. [09:35] Ubulette: ok for now it should work with the patch above ... the real patch should be a bit different ... e.g. just for install target [09:35] as we still want to strip in package: target [09:35] but for our package its ok [09:35] its just that the patch cannot go upstream that way [09:35] damn my chroots keep getting fucked up everytime dchroot gets updated [09:36] gnomefreak: yeah ... that happens if you stay away too long ;) [09:36] asac, i've integrated your patch as tentative into my branch and i'll build it in a moment.. just patching to move the ddebs in the repo [09:36] ;) [09:37] gnomefreak: use schroot it hasn't give me any problem [09:37] Ubulette: its fine for us ... if you confirm that the ddebs have proper size afterwards i want to push it until we have the real patch [09:37] ok, so building.. [09:38] cool [09:38] let me know ;) [09:38] sure [09:38] "New Flash Player beta features better video and performance. Adobe has released a beta version of Flash Player 9 Update 3 (code name Moviestar) for Linux, Windows and Mac OS X." [09:38] yeah i know, you don't care [09:38] non free stuff [09:38] beta are always full crashers ... personally i won't touch them ;) [09:39] (maybe this one is different though) [09:39] Ubulette: also I have had an awful time with flash-player, also all those crash reports lying there :( [09:40] just had cpu going over the roof with video.. this one seems to have improved that [09:40] but i haven't tried [09:40] and will problably wont [09:41] Ubulette: what are your system specs? [09:41] dual core 2 [09:41] dont remember which one [09:42] with nvidia GS7600 [09:42] cool, me on aging 1.8ghz don't remember also which one [09:42] intel 845 GE/GV chipset 8 mb VRAM integrated [09:42] my previous pc was a P2 450.. still in 2007 [09:43] was enough for me, until HDTV.. [09:43] cool [09:43] asac, any progress with PPA ? [09:44] so I'm guessing I can creak out a yr. or 2 more out of this fella, touchwood. [09:45] mine did 1998-2007 in debian unstable. no problem. it's still alive in my basement ;) [09:45] wow , cool [09:45] asac: you wanted me to check out gnash 0.8.1~trunk.070802-0ubuntu4 [09:45] just added ram and disks and a 5.1 sound card during all those years [09:46] asac: here is a list of plugins edited with Xb-Npp-xxx that need to be sponsored: https://bugs.launchpad.net/~hmontoliu/+reportedbugs?field.searchtext=Xb-Npp-xxx [09:46] well ... helping on mozilla-trunk packaging on P2 450 would not have been possible ;) [09:46] asac: so far, the plugins already processed (though some still to be sponsored) are flashplugin-nonfree, gcjwebplugin, gxineplugin, mozilla-helix-player, mozilla-mplayer, mozilla-openoffice.org, mozilla-plugin-gnash, mozilla-plugin-vlc, mozplugger, sun-java5-plugin, sun-java6-plugin, totem-mozilla, xine-plugin [09:46] asac: tomorrow when I'll get home, I'll look for more (but probably there shouldn't be much more) [09:47]