[01:20] <tgm4883_mythbunt> superm1, whats happening?
[01:20] <superm1> hehe hey tgm4883_mythbunt
[01:20] <superm1> appears to have worked eh?
[01:20] <tgm4883_mythbunt> yep
[01:20] <tgm4883_mythbunt> although i dont know how well it would integrate to drupal
[01:21] <tgm4883_mythbunt> you can check it out at mythbuntu.weilandhomes.com/cgi-bin/irc.cgi
[01:21] <superm1> you can put it in as #mythbuntu as well
[01:21] <superm1> that redirects here
[01:22] <CGI117> but it is indeed pretty neat
[01:22] <tgm4883> well thats a very unique name
[01:22] <CGI117> perhaps an iframe within a drupal page
[01:22] <CGI117> it does support full html and all
[01:22] <tgm4883> sec
[01:23] <tgm4883> yea the config file is pretty long, but it should be fully customizable
[01:24] <superm1> well i gotta run for a bit again
[01:24] <superm1> got class this evenin
[01:24] <tgm4883> ok
[01:24] <tgm4883> i'll take a look at this config file
[01:46] <newnick> blah
[01:49] <tgm4883> anyone around?
[02:11] <cornell> Evening all
[02:11] <cornell> Hi tgm4883
[02:11] <tgm4883_laptop> hi
[02:16] <cornell> Evening again...
[02:16] <cornell> The joy and convenience of ssh'ing into another box...
[02:16] <cornell> Until you "sudo shutdown" from the wrong terminal ;-(
[02:24] <cornell> uh-oh...
[02:24] <cornell> It seems I don't know the password for user mythtv
[02:25] <tgm4883_laptop> i dont think there is one
[02:31] <cornell> Ah
[02:32] <cornell> I've been logging in as me, I thought maybe mythfrontend would start on its own if I logged in as mythtv
[02:32] <tgm4883_laptop> mythtv should auto login in a fe/be setup
[02:33] <cornell> I kinda figured
[02:33] <cornell> But that's not the only thing bizarre about this install ;-)
[02:41] <tgm4883_laptop> what else?
[02:47] <cornell> Oy... um... no sound, bad video, no remote.   I'd done a install from the livecd.  I  interrupted before setup to hook up my existing lvm.  Then the setup.  mythfilldatabase.  Then I loaded my old database.  (probably should've done thowe in a different order ;-)
[02:47] <cornell> Any, with alsamixer, I've got sound.
[02:48] <cornell> Video will probably be enhanced after apt-get install nvidia-glx.
[02:48] <cornell> Right now... I'm focusing on lirc
[02:50] <cornell> mmm... found https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Install_Lirc_Gutsy?highlight=%28lirc%29%7C%28mythtv%29%7C%28remote%29
[02:51] <cornell> do apt-get install lirc, which I did and a config popped up.  I picked hauppage tv-card.  Still doesn't work.  That link doesn't seem to indicate how to start the config again ;-(
[02:52] <cornell> mmm... command irw reports Hauppage_350.  That's good ;-)
[02:53] <cornell> mmm... and it's reporting the right buttons.
[02:54] <cornell> Does it matter that I did it logged in as me, instead of mythtv?
[02:55] <tgm4883_laptop> nope
[02:56] <cornell> Can't ssh with mythtv.  with no password, or any of my expected passwords.
[02:57] <tgm4883_laptop> i think thats expected
[02:57] <tgm4883_laptop> you shouldn't need to though
[02:57] <cornell> mmm... irw reports the buttons.  But mythfrontend doesn't recognize it...  Any ideas?
[02:58] <tgm4883_laptop> yep
[02:58] <Tari_> sounds like a .lircrc problem
[02:58] <tgm4883_laptop> yep
[02:59] <tgm4883_laptop> sorry, play gears of war
[02:59] <tgm4883_laptop> you need to copy the .lircrc file
[02:59] <tgm4883_laptop> !guide
[02:59] <tgm4883_laptop> !mythtv
[02:59] <cornell> Like mythbuntu-lirc-generator?
[02:59] <tgm4883_laptop> dang it
[02:59] <tgm4883_laptop> sec
[03:00] <tgm4883_laptop> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Install_Lirc_Feisty
[03:01] <tgm4883_laptop> find the section about copying the lircrc files
[03:01] <tgm4883_laptop> and making symbolic links
[03:03] <cornell> tgm4883: no luck yet...
[03:03] <tgm4883_laptop> in finding it or trying it?
[03:05] <cornell> FInding.... only one instance of "copy"
[03:05] <cornell> lircd.conf has the hauppage_350 in it.
[03:05] <tgm4883_laptop> ln -s ~/.lircrc ~/.mythtv/lircrc
[03:06] <cornell> Ah
[03:06] <tgm4883_laptop> you need to put the (or link) the .lircrc in your home dir to the mythtv home dir
[03:06] <tgm4883_laptop> and also do the above for that
[03:07] <cornell> mmm
[03:07] <cornell> No .lircrc in ~
[03:07] <tgm4883_laptop> hmm
[03:08] <tgm4883_laptop> where is your .lircrc file for your 350 ?
[03:08] <cornell> Don't know, looking for it (it's not in ~/.mythtv either
[03:08] <cornell> )
[03:09] <cornell>   sudo find / -name .lircrc
[03:09] <cornell> Finds nothing
[03:09] <tgm4883_laptop> did you download one?
[03:10] <tgm4883_laptop> is the 360 remote the same as the 150 remote?
[03:10] <cornell> Not manually.  I did apt-get install lirc
[03:10] <tgm4883_laptop> :)
[03:10] <cornell> I don't know, think it's close
[03:10] <cornell> Download one from where?
[03:11] <tgm4883_laptop> search that page for lircrc.hauppauge
[03:11] <cornell> But this fiesty seems to indicate that the .lircrc is for overriding the lircd.conf file
[03:12] <tgm4883_laptop> its not
[03:12] <tgm4883_laptop> they work in conjuction
[03:12] <cornell> I see:   Here is the example lircrc taylored for mythtv only on a hauppauge remote:
[03:13] <cornell> Followed by a link.  It wants to down load a BIN file.  Ok?
[03:13] <tgm4883_laptop> you should be downloading the lircrc.hauppauge file
[03:13] <tgm4883_laptop> ah yes, a bin file
[03:13] <cornell> Right, it says it...k
[03:13] <tgm4883_laptop> then stick it in the mythtv user home directory
[03:13] <tgm4883_laptop> rename it .lircrc
[03:13] <tgm4883_laptop> and run the command that i put in here
[03:14] <tgm4883_laptop> ln -s ~/.lircrc ~/.mythtv/lircrc
[03:14] <tgm4883_laptop> now I have to go for a bit, but that should get you where you need to be.
[03:14] <cornell> ok... gonna scp it to my home, rename it and then link it
[03:14] <cornell> Right?
[03:14] <tgm4883_laptop> I should be back in about an hour
[03:14] <tgm4883_laptop> yes
[03:15] <tgm4883_laptop> if you want to use it as your user
[03:15] <tgm4883_laptop> you need to do that for every user you want to be able to use that
[03:15] <cornell> Thanks tgm4883_laptop.  I'll be gone by then, little woman coming home soon
[03:15] <tgm4883_laptop> so you need to do it for the mythtv user too
[03:15] <tgm4883_laptop> ah
[03:15] <cornell> On this front end... should only be me and mythtv
[03:15] <tgm4883_laptop> ok
[03:15] <tgm4883_laptop> then only the two of you then
[03:16] <cornell> AND SCP TO MY HOME AND LINK TO MYTHTV SHOULD DO IT.
[03:16] <cornell> oops
[03:16] <cornell> Sorry
[03:16] <cornell> Touch typing, I don't watch ;-)
[03:16] <cornell> Thanks again tgm4883
[03:17] <cornell> Thanks again tgm4883_laptop
[03:19] <cornell> Do I need one in /home/mythtv?
[03:20] <cornell> or /home/mythtv/.mythtv ?
[03:21] <cornell> mmm speaking of which... there's a file in /home/mythtv/.mythtv called backend-configured.  Should there be one frontend-configured?
[03:22] <cornell> Nope... I don't seem to need one there ;-)
[03:22] <cornell> It's WORKING!!!
[03:22] <cornell> (that time I meant it ;-) )
[03:24] <cornell> oops... lost "Watch TV"... comes up with static, saying "ASUS"
[03:26] <cornell> And media library, watch recordings... no sound :-(
[03:32] <cornell> Anyway... time to go...
[03:32] <cornell> TTFN
[05:37] <tgm4883_laptop> superm1, go to mythbuntu.weilandhomes.com/support and tell me what you think
[05:37] <tgm4883_laptop> there are 2 versions
[05:37] <tgm4883_laptop> i think the second one is best
[05:38] <superm1> well each does have it's benefits
[05:38] <superm1> i like the fact that 2 doesn't close out the window
[05:39] <superm1> i'd say 2 is better
[05:39] <superm1> especially if there is a good description to go with it
[05:39] <tgm4883_laptop> i think 2 is better to, you can navigate away from the page and it still works
[05:39] <superm1> yea that is better then
[05:40] <tgm4883_laptop> yep
[05:40] <tgm4883_laptop> I figured if it was in the drupal page, it would be too skinny
[05:40] <tgm4883_laptop> you want the code?
[05:41] <superm1> sure link me to the cgi script and i'll drop it in place
[05:41] <superm1> and then you can edit the support page
[05:43] <tgm4883_laptop> http://cgiirc.org/
[05:44] <tgm4883_laptop> just use the main config file (not the full one) and set it to irc.freenode.net and this channel
[05:45] <tgm4883_laptop> oh and make the default user name something like mythbuntu??? so we know they are from the web page
[05:45] <superm1> make it like mythbuntu.org_guest
[05:45] <superm1> er
[05:45] <superm1> well thats long
[05:45] <superm1> something that indicates its from the website
[05:45] <tgm4883_laptop> yea
[05:46] <tgm4883_laptop> well thats up to you as that is in the config file
[05:46] <superm1> well wait its packages for ubuntu isn't it
[05:46] <superm1> perhaps i'll just apt-get it:)
[05:46] <tgm4883_laptop> oh yea i think it is
[05:47] <tgm4883_laptop> the website says it is anyway
[05:47] <superm1> yea i just apt-got it
[05:47] <superm1> i'm not sure about where it's installed and all though
[05:48] <tgm4883_laptop> well find out where the config file is
[05:48] <tgm4883_laptop> maybe i can email the one i have to you
[05:48] <superm1> ah found it
[05:48] <superm1> /etc/cgiirc/cgiirc.config
[05:49] <tgm4883_laptop> you want me to email you my config?  there aren't that many changes
[05:49] <tgm4883_laptop> its pretty simple
[05:49] <superm1> default_server = irc.ubuntu.com
[05:49] <superm1> default_port = 6667
[05:49] <superm1> default_channel = #mythbuntu
[05:49] <superm1> default_name = Mythbuntu.org Web Visitor
[05:49] <superm1> default_nick=mythbuntu_web
[05:49] <superm1> basically right?
[05:50] <tgm4883_laptop> default nick should have like ???
[05:50] <tgm4883_laptop> on it
[05:50] <superm1> ah
[05:50] <tgm4883_laptop> ??? gives it a random num
[05:50] <superm1> okay well it's in place
[05:50] <tgm4883_laptop> looks good though
[05:50] <superm1> so i'm not sure how to use it now
[05:50] <tgm4883_laptop> let me do support real quick
[05:50] <superm1> er test it or anything
[05:52] <superm1> http://zimbra.stacktrace.org/cgi-bin/cgiirc/irc.cgi
[05:52] <superm1> hm *** Access Denied: No connections allowed
[05:53] <tgm4883_laptop> hmmm
[05:53] <tgm4883_laptop> let me check mine
[05:54] <tgm4883_laptop> hmm
[05:54] <tgm4883_laptop> maybe try irc.freenode.net
[05:57] <superm1> well i'm not sure that permissions are even allowed on this server
[05:57] <superm1> the issue may be the port too
[05:57] <tgm4883_laptop> could be, same port as im using though
[05:58] <superm1> well i mean the outbound rules for  this server
[05:58] <superm1> i think it's best we check with jumpkick
[05:58] <superm1> when he returns
[05:59] <tgm4883_laptop> oh
[05:59] <tgm4883_laptop> ok
[06:00] <tgm4883_laptop> wheres it installed in respect to drupal?
[06:00] <superm1> well i took it off for now, but it got installed systemwide
[06:00] <superm1> in /var/www/cgiirc
[06:01] <tgm4883_laptop> ok
[06:06] <superm1> provided new ubiquity works right, since you got the autologin fixed tgm4883, all that would be left is to include mythtv 0.20.2
[06:06] <tgm4883_laptop> sweet
[06:06] <superm1> and then alpha 4 should be ready
[06:06] <superm1> tgm4883, if you see any other things you want to nab up, i'll be glad to help coach you through more
[06:06] <tgm4883_laptop> are we still planning on waiting for .21?
[06:07] <superm1> yes
[06:08] <tgm4883_laptop> ok
[06:08] <superm1> well i mean i'll double check on a date with those guys
[06:08] <superm1> to see where they are feeling
[06:08] <superm1> after they do 0.20.2
[06:08] <superm1> if it's later than november
[06:08] <superm1> then i say no on the 0.21
[06:09] <tgm4883_laptop> i agree
[06:10] <tgm4883_laptop> i haven't seen progress on the bugs since ive been watching, but maybe after .20.2  comes out and SD is up and running
[06:12] <superm1> if you want another place to have at with ubiquity, this one might be good: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/mythbuntu/+spec/hdhomerun-config
[06:13] <superm1> we can just include it by default, and then have it as an option that is removable in advanced installation
[06:13] <superm1> i expect that it would include touching a sizable amount of files too
[06:14] <tgm4883_laptop> Ideally wouldn't we want it to pop up if hdhomerun is picked in the tuner chooser?
[06:19] <superm1> well the tuner selection stuff is disabled for now
[06:20] <superm1> because twodeko didn't get the firmware detector done in time
[06:20] <superm1> so it will have to be deferred to gutsy+1
[06:21] <tgm4883_laptop> ah
[06:23] <tgm4883_laptop> now did that input it into mythtv or was it just a firmware finder?
[06:24] <superm1> that was just a firmware finder frontend
[06:29] <tgm4883_laptop> so there really needs to be a repo or something for the firmware
[06:35] <superm1> yea that would be sensible
[06:35] <tgm4883_laptop> ppa's/
[06:35] <superm1> well the issue is legality
[06:35] <tgm4883_laptop> ah
[06:35] <superm1> otherwise it'd be in ubuntu already
[06:37] <tgm4883_laptop> so really we need a database of some sort with locations of firmware and a downloader
[06:40] <tgm4883_laptop> the legality just involves having them right, what about a downloading tool?
[06:41] <superm1> well it involves hosting them
[06:41] <superm1> and redistributing
[06:41] <superm1> so a downloading tool is just fine
[06:41] <superm1> ideally the control centre can be a frontend for it
[06:41] <superm1> if its architected right
[06:41] <superm1> and it can have a standalone frontend
[06:41] <superm1> and also a ubiquity frontend
[06:44] <tgm4883_laptop> i think what needs to happen (and this can be improved upon) but perhaps a database on mythbuntu.org that the downloader access to get the location of the firmware, and where it need to be installed to
[06:44] <tgm4883_laptop> that way when new versions arize it can be updated
[06:45] <superm1> well perhaps it would be even better to ship such a database in the file
[06:45] <superm1> and offer to check for updates
[06:45] <superm1> from mythbuntu.org
[06:45] <superm1> or somewhere else
[06:45] <tgm4883_laptop> ah
[06:45] <tgm4883_laptop> thats even better
[06:46] <tgm4883_laptop> unless we can program it to look for newer versions automatically, but wouldn't that be hard since we can't control the filenames?
[06:46] <superm1> well i dont like the idea of automatic updates for *anything* personally :)
[06:46] <superm1> i like to be given an option
[06:47] <tgm4883_laptop> well true
[06:47] <tgm4883_laptop> what I meant was that we didn't have to manually update the database with new firmware versions
[06:48] <tgm4883_laptop> the user could perhaps be given a list of the firmwares and choose which one
[06:49] <tgm4883_laptop> that may be easier to do as we could list all firmwares that are say firmwarepvr150.*.*.*
[06:52] <superm1> well i'd say moot point atm, and we should just differ discussion for now :)
[06:54] <tgm4883_laptop> yea
[07:52] <cann> morning
[07:59] <tgm4883_laptop> morning/evening
[08:19] <superm1> well it appears that builds won't be possible right now
[08:19] <superm1> since linux-image-generic isn't done propagating the mirrors
[08:19] <superm1> so the whole build doesn't finish
[08:19] <superm1> i'll hvae to try again tomorrow
[01:06] <cornell_work> Morning all
[01:34] <cornell_work> Hi DaveMorris, I know you're fascinated by my journal into mythbuntu, so I'll add the next chapter.  Used alsamixer.  (which controls more things than I knew I had things ;-) ), got the sound going, though it was a bit tinny, which may be the quality of monitor's speakers.  So I could watch tv, but still no remote.  So I apt-get installed lirc, ran irw, which showed the buttons worked, but still no control.
[01:34] <laga> cornell_work: you need to create a lircrc
[01:34] <laga> cornell_work: are you using gutsy?
[01:35] <cornell_work> Downloaded a hauppauge lircrc, into ~ and then symlinked it to ~/.mythtv.  And Voila!, I have remote control.
[01:36] <nihm> Is there currently a way to run 'something' when the normal mythtv session runs? I tried .xsession, but /usr/share/startmythtv.sh runs by default.. I patched this file to look for a ~/.mythtv/session executable file. should I send a patch, or is there a better way
[01:36] <laga> nihm: sure, submit a bug report at launchpad for mythbuntu/the mythtv packages and attach your patch
[01:37] <nihm> yeah, but only if there is not already a way to do it
[01:37] <cornell_work> Lost my video though.  All I got was static.  And the letters ASUS.  It took till this morning to dawn on me... "ASUS" is my other tv card, it's not connected.  (never used it before).  So I've got to hook it up and see if that works.  But...
[01:37] <nihm> otherwise, will do
[01:37] <cornell_work> Why did "Watch TV" switch from my Hauppauge to the ASUS?  (I don't have any recordings scheduled)
[01:39] <cornell_work> And then I checked out the Watch Recordings.  Video, no sound :-(  There's not another alsamixer is there?  I mean, like a second config.
[01:41] <cornell_work> ooh...  Just thought of something...  Watch TV could be using sound coming from the tv card, while Watch Recordings, the sound's coming from a file.  mmm maybe I need to adjust a different control in alsamixer.
[01:41] <cornell_work> And, laga, I'm using Gutsy.
[01:42] <laga> cornell_work: k. gutsy has a lircrc generator, but since you already have a lircrc..
[01:47] <cornell_work> Well... it's a download from a ubuntu feisty related page, don't have the link off-hand, my sitebar at home isn't playing nicely.  I recall it being called hauppauge.lircrc, and it has many devices in it.  And after "installing" it, my watch tv video source switched.  Don't know if that's something I did with the remote, or something in the lircrc.
[01:48] <cornell_work> Do you think I might have better luck using the gutsy generator, or just leave it be, laga ?
[01:49] <cornell_work> mmm... I wonder if one can switch the video sources from the remote, or the keyboard.  That is, if there's a one button switcher, kinda like TV/VCR on a regular tv remote.
[01:49] <cornell_work> Maybe I switched the video source myself, in my ignorance.
[01:49] <laga> cornell_work: i'm pretty sure your tv cards did not change because you downloaded a configuration file for your remote
[01:49] <laga> you can switch the inputs.. it's Y or C
[01:49] <laga> see keys.txtr
[01:50] <laga> keys.txt *
[01:50] <cornell_work> Ah!!
[01:50] <cornell_work> And maybe I should look in the lircrc and see if there's a button mapped thereto.
[01:52] <cornell_work> Never had two sources defined before.  With one, if I'm recording, it says I can't watch tv, it's recording.  With two inputs, if it's recording on one and I want to watch tv, will it automatically switch to the unused input?
[01:52] <laga> do you have two video sources or one video source and two cards?
[01:54] <cornell_work> mea culpa, bad use of jargon.... "Source" is the guide, like DataDirect?  One source, two inputs, Hauppauge and ASUS.  When I get home tonight, I'll put the splitter into the cable and hook both cards to the one cable line.
[01:55] <cornell_work> Or perhaps more accurately, "Source" is the provider of TV, represented by the guide, as in the cable provider.
[01:55] <cornell_work> ?
[01:55] <cornell_work> Still, one source, two inputs.
[01:55] <laga> it should switch to the second card seamlessly
[01:55] <laga> heh, video source, for me, is a bunch of channels with EPG ;)
[02:03] <nihm> does launchpad let me attach patches. what format should diff use?
[02:06] <nihm> Or should I say. I cant be arsed downloading the bzr tree, finding where /usr/share/startmythtv.sh & doing it the 'right way'
[02:20] <laga> nihm: diff -u would be good
[02:21] <laga> or just describe what you put where
[02:21] <laga> if it's a small change
[02:30] <cornell_work> I'm guessing that "arsed" is an Australian colloquilism, not a computer related phrase ;-)
[02:34] <laga> why? it's usually directly followed by "RTFM" ;)
[02:55] <yotux> how fast does a machine have to be to run this os?
[02:55] <laga> depends
[02:56] <yotux> I only want backend services
[02:57] <yotux> I think that I am getting into waters that are deeper than I should
[02:57] <yotux> I have a 733 right now that I store music, video, and run dovecot offer to store emails in imap
[02:58] <yotux> was thinking about running myth tv on there
[02:58] <yotux> not having X installed going to cause issues?
[03:01] <laga> you'll at least need X libs to configure the backend. it also depends on your choice of capture cards
[03:03] <yotux> I havea pvr-150
[03:04] <laga> 733Mhz should be fine then
[03:04] <yotux> once your OS is out of beta and I see what it has I think I would be more than willing to mirror your cd images
[03:04] <laga> cool :)
[03:05] <yotux> thankz I will dl a fiest alt cd this morning
[03:05] <laga> you can already use mythtv, BTw. no need to wait for mythbuntu :)
[03:05] <laga> and no need to 'destroy' your old setup...
[03:05] <yotux> Aorry have been using linux since 97 but never really got into server and coding, etc
[03:05] <yotux> Aorry = Sorry
[03:07] <yotux> laga:  I was unable to install mythtv-backend
[03:07] <yotux> there are two deps need I only rember libmyth not found
[03:07] <yotux> could be an X issue of not having it
[03:08] <yotux> thankz for the info though
[03:10] <laga> no
[03:10] <laga> that shouldn't happen.
[03:10] <laga> what distro?
[03:11] <yotux> LTS 6.06
[03:11] <yotux> Drapper
[03:11] <laga> oh, that's got a old version of mythtv
[03:12] <yotux> that why I was thinking of going to fiesty somewhat newer,  data should be safe it not on the root partition
[03:13] <DaveMorris> my backend runs 2 hardware capature cards and it's a 450 Mhz machine
[03:13] <yotux> Thankz DaveMorris
[03:13] <DaveMorris> has 384Mhz of RAM
[03:13] <yotux> which OS are you running?
[03:13] <DaveMorris> I think its Dapper or Edgy atm, but thats because I'm too lazy to update it
[03:14] <yotux> I follow,  nebie having all kinds of fun with remote ssh and what not
[03:14] <yotux> wow I need to go to starbucks and get some morning coffee sorry for all of the typos
[03:14] <DaveMorris> yeah I configure the backend using ssh -X
[03:16] <yotux> cool
[03:16] <cornell_work> ssh-X ?
[03:16] <yotux> I just put giga ether in my box
[03:16] <yotux> cornell_work remote X server
[03:17] <DaveMorris> so you'd do ssh -X user@backend-hostname
[03:18] <DaveMorris> then once your logged in, when ever you want to run a gui program from the cli, for instance gedit, it'll forward the X back to you
[03:18] <DaveMorris> and it's encrypted
[03:18] <DaveMorris> if your doing it over the Internet you'll wannt use -C to compress it as well
[03:18] <DaveMorris> although with mythconfig it's a bit slow
[03:19] <laga> i use ssh -X -Y ;)
[03:21] <laga> hum, -Y might have security implications
[03:41] <cornell_work> That's ssh<space>-X?  And would this be a function of the client or the remote or both?
[03:46] <laga> cornell_work: man ssh?
[03:46] <cornell_work> I'm not on a linux box at the moment, laga.
[03:47] <cornell_work> I thought I'd tried that, but got a cli and exited.  Does the X come back in response to a command?  Like if I ssh -X and then enter the command gedit, then I get the gui?
[03:48] <laga> yes
[03:48] <cornell_work> Cool, I guess I gave up too soon
[03:49] <laga> can take some time over a slow connection
[03:49] <laga> g2g
[03:49] <cornell_work> (and, of course, I can google "man ssh" and get it, man, sometimes I am sloooooow)
[06:43] <cornell_work> What would be the reason that my Watch TV has sound but the Watch recordings doesn't?  Any ideas?
[06:49] <laga> does your sound lag behind?
[07:22] <tgm4883> who's box is the site on?
[07:28] <laga> tgm4883: guy called jumpkick IIRC
[07:31] <tgm4883> yea i think your right laga
[07:40] <tgm4883> superm1, did you ever get ahold of jumpkick?
[07:41] <superm1> i have no way to contact him except  when he is on IRC :)
[07:42] <tgm4883> ah
[07:43] <tgm4883> what did we use to theme mythbuntu?
[07:43] <tgm4883> anything special or just great artists?
[07:43] <superm1> what do you mean,' theme it'
[07:43] <superm1> like which parts
[07:44] <tgm4883> um
[07:44] <tgm4883> :)
[07:44] <tgm4883> well the usplash would just be a pictures
[07:45] <superm1> well the usplash was a collaborative effort between a few people
[07:45] <tgm4883> but basically putting all of it together
[07:45] <tgm4883> the usplash, window colors, login screen, etc
[07:45] <superm1> the GTK theme foxbuntu found and modified
[07:45] <tgm4883> Is that just manually packaging it all together?
[07:45] <tgm4883> ah
[07:45] <superm1> it stlil needs some work
[07:48] <superm1> well i should let you know somethign i discovered about drupal
[07:48] <superm1> it caches the css
[07:48] <superm1> so you will have to manually remove files/css/*
[07:48] <superm1> when you refresh
[07:48] <tgm4883_laptop> hmm
[07:48] <tgm4883_laptop> is that just certain themes (or theme engines?)
[07:49] <superm1> well it was everything i tried
[07:49] <superm1> but it could be
[07:49] <tgm4883_laptop> I have been able to modify the width of the sidebar in one them
[07:49] <tgm4883_laptop> theme
[07:49] <tgm4883_laptop> but not a different one
[07:49] <superm1> try removing files/css/* and see if that helps :)
[07:49] <tgm4883_laptop> and it's really guesswork right now
[07:49] <tgm4883_laptop> i'll try removing that
[07:50] <tgm4883_laptop> :( i only have .htaccess in my files dir
[07:51] <laga> i've been trying for two days now to make a simple rs232 level converter using a max232. and i'm failing.
[07:52] <tgm4883_laptop> we should start a support group
[07:52] <tgm4883_laptop> hi my name is tgm4883, and Im failing at drupal
[07:53] <laga> hi my name is laga and i'm stupid
[07:54] <tgm4883_laptop> hi laga
[07:54] <laga> hi tgm4883
[07:55] <jams> if it help i also found drupal to be tedious
[07:56] <superm1> hi my name is superm1 and i am having trouble adjusting to upstream ubiquity changes
[07:56] <laga> hello jams. take a seat then.
[07:56] <tgm4883_laptop> hello jams and superm1, cookies or coffee?
[07:56] <superm1> well i made a sandwich
[07:56] <superm1> so i'm fine for now
[07:56] <laga> it's steak here
[07:56] <laga> but i won't leave until this converter works
[08:09] <tgm4883> is there a good site for the gimp?  (or a better image program?)
[08:14] <ompaul> tgm4883, gimp.org
[08:14] <tgm4883> lol, thanks
[08:15] <ompaul> tgm4883, it comes with a multi megabyte set of docs - that is more than likely what you really want to install (check synaptic)
[09:05] <tgm4883> !pastebin
[09:05] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[09:08] <cornell_work> laga... sorry, I keep getting interrupted, no the sound doesn't lag.  In Watch TV, first I didn't get sound , then I altered some settings with alsamixer, and now I have sound.  But in Watch Recordings, there's silence, no sound.  I'm wondering why sound in one and not the other.
[09:09] <juliux> hi all
[09:13] <superm1> hi juliux
[09:13] <juliux> does somebody knows if this https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.20/+bug/99180 is fixed in gutsy?
[09:13] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 99180 in linux-source-2.6.20 "[feisty]  DVB-T USB LiteOn Problems with recognize the frontend" [Undecided,Confirmed] 
[09:15] <superm1> juliux, it's possible that it was fixed in the newre v4l-dvb checkout with gutsy, but i dont know for usre
[09:15] <superm1> sure
[09:15] <juliux> ok
[09:15] <juliux> i will test the hints
[09:15] <superm1> if mrkrufkly was here
[09:15] <superm1> he would probably know
[09:15] <superm1> but i haven't seen him for some time
[09:16] <juliux> i will try to build v4l myself
[09:38] <cornell_work> Well... TTFN, see y'all tomorrow
[09:52] <tgm4883> stupid drupal and it's multiple .css files
[09:54] <superm1> that's odd,
[09:54] <superm1> so that mean that
[09:54] <tgm4883> oh :(
[09:54] <tgm4883> oh nooooo, its algebra 2 all over again
[09:55] <tgm4883> highschool was a long time ago for tgm4883
[09:57] <tgm4883> the good news is that when I get drupal working I can probably dump windows
[09:58] <superm1> oh?
[09:58] <tgm4883> yea, i use dreamweaver :(
[09:58] <tgm4883> wait, i will still need windows
[09:58] <tgm4883> otherwise, how will I run my antivirus? :)
[10:06] <superm1> haha
[10:09] <tgm4883> *** WARNING *** tgm4883 is about to ask a dumb question
[10:09] <tgm4883> how important are cron jobs to drupal?
[10:11] <superm1> depends on the plugins you use
[10:11] <superm1> if they require them
[10:12] <tgm4883> ah
[10:12] <tgm4883> it's the last warning message that im getting
[10:12] <tgm4883> and apparently someone went to my linux.weilandhomes.com site (not the mythbuntu test site) and tried to look up mythtverror.txt
[10:14] <superm1> mythtverror.txt?
[10:14] <superm1> that's odd?
[10:14] <tgm4883> i know
[10:15] <tgm4883> how do you turn off the logo?
[10:45] <superm1> tgm4883, there is a setting on the themes page
[10:45] <superm1> for globally or theme specific
[10:45] <tgm4883> yea i found it
[10:45] <tgm4883> messing with the fonts now
[10:45] <tgm4883> had to install firebug, makes this a whole lot easier
[11:37] <tgm4883> arg
[11:37] <tgm4883> stupid web developers that don't document anything
[12:16] <Daviey> superm1: ping
[12:16] <superm1> poooooooooooooooong Daviey
[12:16] <Daviey> heya..
[12:16] <Daviey> Where is mythbuntu.org now hosted?
[12:17] <superm1> physically?
[12:17] <superm1> or you mean virtually
[12:17] <Daviey> heh
[12:17] <Daviey> What server?
[12:17] <superm1> it's on zimbra.stacktrace.org
[12:17] <Daviey> How did that get organisd?
[12:18] <superm1> jumpkick came in here and told us he put an unofficial site up
[12:18] <superm1> at which point i gave imbrandon an ultimatum
[12:18] <Daviey> cool
[12:18] <superm1> and then brandon didn't follow through
[12:18] <Daviey> So do we still need a VPS?
[12:18] <superm1> so tgm4883 and i rebuilt the whole thing from scratch :)
[12:18] <superm1> and google cache of course
[12:18] <superm1> VPS?
[12:18] <Daviey> A root shell server?
[12:19] <superm1> well for building ISOs yes
[12:19] <Daviey> cool..
[12:19] <superm1> foxbuntu should be able to do that, but no eta
[12:19] <superm1> do you have one?
[12:19] <Daviey> that's on the way ;)
[12:19] <superm1> good job tgm4883
[12:19] <tgm4883> stupid common.css
[12:19] <superm1> Daviey, only for this release will we need it i think though.  next release i'd like to migrate to the standard ubuntu build process
[12:20] <superm1> you missed the day we were handing them out to everyone in the channel eh?
[12:20] <Daviey> guess so
[12:20] <tgm4883> Daviey, a drupal account or a mythbuntu.org account?
[12:20] <superm1> tgm4883, can you make him one?
[12:20] <Daviey> *both* :(
[12:20] <tgm4883> yep
[12:20] <tgm4883> whats you email?
[12:21] <Daviey> davewalker@ubuntu.com
[12:21] <Daviey> I'm guessing the mythbuntu.org emails are not working
[12:21] <superm1> well i'm the only one with a mythbuntu.org acct right now, at least until jumpkick says its okay to give out more
[12:21] <tgm4883> Boo-ya, new account
[12:21] <tgm4883> you should be getting an email
[12:21] <Daviey> ta
[12:21] <superm1> no we don't have an MX yet
[12:21] <tgm4883> wait it gave me an error
[12:22] <tgm4883> it said we can't give daviey one because I always get him and davemorris confused :)
[12:22] <tgm4883> that davemorris guy is going to have to change his name :)
[12:22] <tgm4883> superm1, i thought foxbuntu got an email?
[12:22] <Daviey> he sure is.. i was here first..
[12:23] <Daviey> let's call davemorris, john from now on
[12:23] <tgm4883> sounds good to me
[12:23] <Daviey> tgm4883: mail recieved
[12:23] <tgm4883> sweet
[12:23] <tgm4883> superm1, looks like mail is up
[12:23] <superm1> tgm4883, foxbuntu was going to do the MX on his server, but we need that server up first :)
[12:23] <tgm4883> ah
[12:23] <superm1> tgm4883, eh?
[12:23] <superm1> how?
[12:23] <tgm4883> magic ;)
[12:24] <superm1> no really, mail is up?
[12:24] <tgm4883> jumpkick has the mail setup to send it somewhere
[12:24] <tgm4883> Daviey just got the mail from mythbuntu.org
[12:24] <tgm4883> cause I didn't personally send him one
[12:24] <superm1> well mail going out works
[12:24] <superm1> but not in
[12:24] <tgm4883> ah
[12:25] <tgm4883> thats what i meant ;)
[12:26] <superm1> yea i installed sendmail on there
[12:26] <superm1> for that purpose
[12:26] <Daviey> although the email did come from 'superm1'
[12:26] <Daviey> :s
[12:26] <tgm4883> lol
[12:26] <superm1> did it now....
[12:27] <tgm4883> thats because superm1 is all powerful
[12:27] <superm1> tgm4883, i bet admin emails from your server come from me too
[12:27] <tgm4883> hmmm
[12:28] <tgm4883> Whoa, you're everywhere
[12:29] <superm1> haha
[12:30] <tgm4883> superm1's getting to that point where he knows to much, and the common folk of the town are going to form an angry mob and burn him at the stake
[12:31] <superm1> where i know too much?
[12:31] <superm1> it's not like i don't share
[12:31] <Daviey> tgm4883: we are not all yanks!
[12:31] <laga> don't act innocent now
[12:32] <tgm4883> Daviey thats right, I forgot your from across the pond
[12:32] <tgm4883> no soup for you
[12:32] <tgm4883> whoops
[12:33] <tgm4883> i'll show him
[12:34] <tgm4883> apt-get sedative