[12:30] kylem: Various people have made it sound like vesa worked for them in 7.1, but not in 7.2 [12:30] hem. [12:32] kylem: so you'll take the bug then? [12:32] bdmurray, yeah, it's a dupe [12:32] bdmurray, elmo filed the same one earlier this week [12:32] hrm === milli [n=milli@ftcl002.digis.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:33] I feel like we could use a better way of tracking daily build bugs then [12:34] I'm filing the 'vesa fails to start' portion of the bug upstream with Xorg. Alex says he can reproduce it on his ati. [12:35] dendrobates: did you start to do some iso testing ? === jamiemcc [n=jamie@82-32-8-26.cable.ubr02.azte.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-devel === IntuitiveNipple [n=TJ@alexandros.tjworld.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:39] doko: Setting up icedtea-java7-plugin (7~b18-1.2+20070822-0ubuntu1) ... [12:39] update-alternatives: unable to make /usr/lib/iceape/plugins/libjavaplugin.so.dpkg-tmp a symlink to /etc/alternatives/iceape-javaplugin.so: No such file or directory [12:47] ajmitch: thanks, create the dir manually as a workaround. and I didn't check if the plugin works at all [12:49] same thing with /usr/lib/xulrunner/plugins & /usr/lib/midbrowser/plugins - I'll test it out on i386 for now === Pricey [n=pricechi@ubuntu/member/pdpc.supporter.student.PriceChild] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:57] I wonder if ooo-l10n will compile in less than 10 hours === mthaddon [n=mthaddon@canonical/launchpad/mthaddon] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:58] Riddell, :D [12:59] Riddell: do you plan to rebuild the ubuntu-server iso before tomorrow ? [12:59] Riddell: its in the final steps [01:00] mathiaz: hopefully === Mez [n=Mez@ubuntu/member/mez] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:00] mathiaz: infact I could do that now couldn't I? === angasule [n=angasule@190.49.243.83] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:00] Riddell: well. I'd like to have some basic test done. [01:00] it doesn't need openoffice, at least I hope it doesn't :) [01:01] Riddell: last tribe, we tested the ubuntu-server iso before it was released. [01:01] Riddell: no. oo is not needed. [01:01] are there plans to develop a pppoe GUI tool? every broadband ISP in my country uses pppoe [01:02] Riddell: do you know when you wanna do the release tomorrow ? [01:03] angasule, not really :-/ [01:03] mathiaz: late [01:03] assuming nothing breaks [01:03] pygi: thanks, any particular reason why? [01:03] Riddell: Built successfully [01:03] Purging chroot-autobuild/build/buildd/openoffice.org-l10n-2.3.0~oog680m1 [01:03] Riddell: late - for which TZ ? [01:03] angasule, well, mostly due to lack of people/ busyness on other things/etc/etc [01:03] mathiaz: all of them :) [01:04] mathiaz: since we have no ISOs yet, it's not going to be early [01:04] Riddell: well there is the daily ubuntu-server iso. [01:05] Riddell: from 20070822 [01:05] pygi: :( I'm surprised that neither kubuntu nor ubuntu have one, and pppoeconf is fugly [01:05] angasule, agreed === doko_ [n=doko@dslb-088-073-104-209.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:06] ones from this morning won't have linux on them [01:07] doko: phew [01:07] PPPoE for the lose. [01:07] ion_: I don't use it, but most people can't turn their adsl modems into routers :P [01:07] mathiaz: here you go http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-server/daily/20070823/ [01:09] Riddell: ok. so we could starting these isos. === mc44_ [n=mc44@unaffiliated/mc44] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:10] Riddell: if nothing breaks, they will be the one released ? === mc44_ is now known as mc44 [01:12] mathiaz: yes [01:14] dendrobates: are you up for some iso testing ? [01:14] dendrobates: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-server/daily/20070823/ [01:15] dendrobates: could you take care of x86_64. I'll do the i386. === jml [n=jml@ppp121-44-219-182.lns1.hba1.internode.on.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:16] Riddell: did you add the ubuntu-server images to the iso testing tracker ? [01:19] mathiaz: I can do that === Kmos_ [n=gothicx@249-164.dial.nortenet.pt] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:20] bdmurray: hum.. Actually, I can do it too... [01:21] mathiaz: okay, I already did [01:21] bdmurray: just noticed. Thanks. === tonyyarusso [n=anthony@ubuntu/member/tonyyarusso] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Mez [n=Mez@ubuntu/member/mez] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:33] mathiaz: no, I don't know if I can do that [01:35] Riddell: bdmurray did it. And I think I can do it too. === cr3 [n=marc@bas5-montreal02-1096553847.dsl.bell.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jetscreamer [n=jetscrea@unaffiliated/jetscreamer] has joined #ubuntu-devel === theCore [n=alex@ubuntu/member/theCore] has joined #ubuntu-devel === StevenK [n=stevenk@14.5.233.220.exetel.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:01] mathiaz: are you still around? [02:02] mathiaz: I'll test the amd64 iso's this evening. === RadiantFire [n=ryan@c-69-180-43-27.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === angasule [n=angasule@190.49.243.83] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Konversation] === licio [n=licio@ubuntu/member/licio] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:05] dendrobates: yop. [02:06] dendrobates: ok. I'm doing the i386 now. [02:06] mathiaz: It'll take me a little while. Need to put the babies to bed first. === Mez [n=Mez@ubuntu/member/mez] has joined #ubuntu-devel === webben [n=benh@91.84.196.77] has joined #ubuntu-devel === superm1 [n=superm1@ubuntu/member/superm1] has joined #ubuntu-devel === gnomefreak [n=gnomefre@ubuntu/member/gnomefreak] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:29] calc: openoffice.org-l10n-common is empty :-( === webben [n=benh@91.84.196.77] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jsgotangco [n=JSG@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:36] doko_: er what? [02:37] doko_: i merged all of the stuff from 2.2.1-5, /me wonders how it could possibly be empty [02:38] it doesn't even have the copyright file that would automatically get copied into it === Mez [n=Mez@ubuntu/member/mez] has joined #ubuntu-devel === calc will have to look into that very closely to see how it managed to get deleted (i am assuming it got deleted anyway) [02:40] doko_: its more than just that all of the common docdirs are missing stuff that should be there, i'm not sure how that happened, but i will get it fixed for the next upload === mc44 [n=mc44@unaffiliated/mc44] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Exit,] [03:08] kubuntu desktop doesn't seem to start X for me, although the alternate was fine [03:08] building the rest of the CDs anyway and going to bed [03:08] Riddell: yeah [03:09] Riddell: bdmurray reported that earlier [03:10] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/discover-data/+bug/133824 [03:10] Launchpad bug 133824 in discover-data "Intel chipset on HP NC6320 (PCI 8086:27a2) not recognised" [High,Triaged] [03:12] i bought a video camera, whee :) === Mez [n=Mez@ubuntu/member/mez] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Pici [n=Pici@ool-4355be00.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:29] calc, as in HD with hard drive? === Knightlust [n=dax@122.2.246.215] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:41] infinity: I'm testing the latest ubuntu-server iso. I don't see the openssh task in tasksel. [03:42] infinity: the isos were created after the seeds where modified by kees. === jetx [n=jetscrea@unaffiliated/jetscreamer] has joined #ubuntu-devel === LaserJock [n=mantha@adsl-75-15-197-182.dsl.renocs.sbcglobal.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jml [n=jml@ppp108-61.static.internode.on.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Mez [n=Mez@ubuntu/member/mez] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mruiz [n=mruiz@ubuntu/member/mruiz] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Pici [n=Pici@ool-4355be00.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === j_ack [n=j_ack@p508D837C.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Mez [n=Mez@ubuntu/member/mez] has joined #ubuntu-devel === tck [n=tck@213-202-140-94.bas502.dsl.esat.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mruiz [n=mruiz@ubuntu/member/mruiz] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Bye!"] === minghua [n=minghua@ubuntu/member/minghua] has joined #ubuntu-devel === rbn112 [n=me@71-34-81-220.ptld.qwest.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === j1mc|away is now known as j1mc === Rexbron [n=ubuntu@CPE001310b2d1d1-CM0012256e816a.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:39] hey any Ubiquity dev/guru's around? [04:40] probably not at this time of day === Lure [n=lure@12.10.190.194] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:42] bug 134178 [04:42] Launchpad bug 134178 in ubiquity "[gutsy] ubiquity crashes with InstallStepError: LanguageApply failed with error 2" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/134178 === Amaranth [n=travis@ubuntu/member/Amaranth] has joined #ubuntu-devel === tck [n=tck@213-202-140-94.bas502.dsl.esat.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === sbalneav [n=sbalneav@S0106000b6a5631f9.wp.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === milli_ [n=milli@ftcl002.digis.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === robitaille [n=robitail@ubuntu/member/robitaille] has joined #ubuntu-devel === rbn112 [n=me@71-34-81-220.ptld.qwest.net] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === LaserJock [n=mantha@ubuntu/member/laserjock] has joined #ubuntu-devel === didymo [n=ashley@CPE-61-9-197-223.static.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === LongPointyStick [n=mystery@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:22] way cool. someone whinging about the update maintainer spec! [05:23] from debian [05:23] how they're no longer the maintainer. [05:24] Then they ask for an exception. This is all documented. [05:24] yes, i thought ti should all be [05:25] poor people [05:28] can we make an exception? [05:29] Of course, all they need to do is ask. [05:30] but lintian/dpkg-buildpackage/builddd won't complain? [05:31] It was a sync, not a merge. [05:31] and then a rebuild, whihc would have got the maintainer change [05:32] https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/gutsy/+source/tmw/0.0.23-2 [05:32] Rebuild where? [05:32] there was one listed in the changelog, i thought [05:32] tmw (0.0.23-1build1) gutsy; urgency=low [05:32] * Rebuild for the libcurl transition mess. [05:32] -- Steve Kowalik Thu, 5 Jul 2007 00:15:17 +1000 [05:33] Ah. Those were rebuild only uploads that didn't change control [05:33] unless we just resynced, and aptitude's changelogs arent up to date [05:33] I think he is talking about the Maintainer listed in the binary package, not the source package. [05:33] probably [05:33] Which is pkgbinarymangler, not me. === maniacmusician [n=maniacmu@24-151-1-102.dhcp.nwtn.ct.charter.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === sbalneav [n=sbalneav@S0106000b6a5631f9.wp.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === stub [n=stub@ppp-58.8.5.12.revip2.asianet.co.th] has joined #ubuntu-devel === tehk [n=tehk@c-69-249-157-157.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === j_ack_ [n=j_ack@p508D837C.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:02] morning [06:03] good morning, fabbione! [06:04] hey hey === Trewas [i=ilonen@jumi.lut.fi] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:25] i did a icedtea openoffice.org build and it actually finished [06:25] now i have to see if it runs [06:32] looks like it works good [06:38] who is in charge nowadays for UVF exceptions+ [06:46] Main, or Universe? [06:47] main [06:48] -release, I think [06:48] LongPointyStick: does that include you? [06:49] She's not there. [06:49] Launchpad is going down in 15 mins for a code update. Estimated downtime is approx 60mins. === superm1_ [n=superm1@ubuntu/member/superm1] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pitti [n=pitti@ubuntu/member/pitti] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:08] Good morning [07:09] Morning. [07:09] bazaar.launchpad having problems? [07:09] sbalneav@edubuntu:~/src/bzr/scotts-gutsy/client/ldmgtkgreet/src$ bzr push [07:09] Using saved location: sftp://sbalneav@bazaar.launchpad.net/~sbalneav/ltsp/scotts-gutsy/ [07:09] ssh: connect to host bazaar.launchpad.net port 22: Connection refused [07:09] bzr: ERROR: Unable to connect to SSH host bazaar.launchpad.net; EOF during negotiation [07:09] yay LP is offline [07:09] ok, just so long as it isn't me. :) [07:10] I didn't do it [07:10] oh, duh [07:11] Launchpad is going down in 15 mins for a code update. Estimated downtime is approx 60mins. [07:11] notice was right above [07:11] pitti: who is in charge for main UVF? === sbalneav dopeslaps self [07:11] fabbione: Riddell [07:11] Time for bed. Night all. [07:11] pitti: ok thanks [07:11] fabbione: but I doubt that you can squeeze anything on the Tribe CDs at that point [07:11] pitti: nope.. i don't need anything on CD at all [07:11] pitti: it can queue up for after Tribe [07:12] fabbione: ah, cool; then you can just upload === milli [n=milli@famfrit.acmeps.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:13] wow, the i386 live grew 11 MB between 23 and 23.1 [07:13] Morning pitti [07:13] pitti: are uploads to NEW affected by LP being down? [07:14] nothing will work while LP is down, I guess [07:15] oh, bleh, I bet the new OOo version with java enabled again exploded [07:16] there.. not bad [07:16] LaserJock: how can you upload if launchpad is down? :) [07:16] 400KB less of orig tar gz after CVS cleanup [07:16] Amaranth: dput knows nothing of LP ;-) [07:17] ugg, Linux apps aren't made for 640x480 === nixternal [n=nixterna@ubuntu/member/pdpc.active.nixternal] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:20] calc: still here? === jsgotangco [n=JSG@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:22] was there by chance a notification that the auth db for the wiki was going down? [07:23] [15:11] < fabbione> Launchpad is going down in 15 mins for a code update. Estimated downtime is approx 60mins. [07:23] holy smokes [07:24] nixternal: we're getting 1.1.8 [07:25] ya, well you could have waited until I committed my release notes...you click save when it is down, you lose it all :( [07:25] but hey, we are getting 1.1.8!!! [07:25] :) [07:25] hmm, you sure you lost it all? [07:25] yup [07:25] you can back it out? [07:25] you go back and you get the auth error [07:25] *can't [07:25] ah [07:25] bummer [07:26] ya, my fault for not finding time previously really [07:26] I should have learned from the last 2 releases....they always pull the plug right when I hit save changes :) [07:26] that's why you edit locally and paste it in when you want to save it [07:27] ooh, grrrr [07:27] NO! :) [07:27] muhahahahaha, I got it [07:27] I GOT IT!!! [07:27] StevenK: your 15:11 -> was that 16 minutes ago or 1:16? === pitti hugs nixternal === nixternal hugs back and dances around [07:28] I somehow copied it all before I went to commit [07:28] whew [07:28] pitti: it was about 30 min or so ago [07:28] eek, then it'll take a while before I can build new CDs [07:29] it should be down for another 30 min [07:29] Riddell: FYI, I changed seeds to throw out langpacks to account for the OO.o explosion; once LP is back, I'll commit and crank new live Ubuntu images [07:35] wiki is back up and I was able to save :D [07:36] ah, bzr push works again [07:36] wahoo, PPAs are here [07:36] woohoo! [07:37] can we delete from our PPAs yet? [07:38] nixternal: I'm not positive, but I thought so === ScottLij [n=scott@24-180-196-49.dhcp.aldl.mi.charter.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:40] ya, if it isn't here yet, it will be here shortly === slomo [n=slomo@ubuntu/member/slomo] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Lure [n=lure@12.10.190.194] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:51] pitti: hi [07:51] pitti: whats up [07:52] calc: the latest OO.o grew by 11 MB :/ I just wondered if there is anything we can drop from the CD which can be installed later or so? [07:53] calc: for now I threw out the remaining langpacks, but (1) this isn't a good solution, and (2) we can only do this until there are none left (which is pretty much the case now) [07:55] pitti: is there an easy way for me to see which packages are installed on the cd version? === pitti -> back in 15 mins [07:55] calc: yes, look at the .manifest files on cdimage.u.c. [07:55] ok [07:55] calc: manifest for lives, .list for alternates === fabbione [i=fabbione@gordian.fabbione.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:56] feh.... === blackskad [n=blackska@d54C1A48C.access.telenet.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:56] gutsy doesn't mount nfs stuff at boot anymore [07:56] hmm the get 11MB back i dunno [07:57] that's 11MB of compressed files right? === Amaranth [n=travis@ubuntu/member/Amaranth] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:57] most packages in ooo are small other than -core [07:57] and there is a really annoying bug in /lib/init/mount-functions.sh [07:57] if it is 11MB compressed anyway [07:58] common 37MB, core 12MB, writer 7MB, calc 5MB, etc [07:58] that is descending package size [07:59] hmm actually those are sizes from the icedtea build but are probably close for the one in the archive [08:01] pitti: building with the libraries in main after they are included might help some, not sure how much though [08:03] i have one more MIR to write then once they get moved I can build using them === calc going to bed === viviersf [n=cain@gw.impilinux.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:10] calc: yes, 11 MB livefs space (compressed) [08:10] calc: the main addition between 23 and 23.1 images was the java-common package, the rest was just general growth [08:14] Treenaks: well, there's something more insidious for 2.6.22-10.30: # CONFIG_SND_HDA_INTEL is not set . I doubt you'll get /any/ audio regardless. Still present in current git; see http://preview.tinyurl.com/2s38ol === Gman [i=gman@nat/sun/x-b9b76651f47cead8] has joined #ubuntu-devel === atlas95 [n=atlas@AVelizy-153-1-57-164.w86-217.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Knightlust [n=dax@ubuntu/member/knightlust] has joined #ubuntu-devel === dholbach [n=daniel@i59F76EE5.versanet.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:43] good morning [08:43] Hi dholbach. [08:44] hey Fujitsu === Havis_ [n=Havis@adsl-d99.84-47-55.t-com.sk] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:46] Guten Morgen dholbach [08:47] aaah, my irssi bar was full and it vut off "vel", so I thought I somehow landed in "ubuntu-de" ;) [08:47] heya highvoltage === kagou [n=Patrice@77.193.180.49] has joined #ubuntu-devel === atlas95 [n=atlas@AVelizy-153-1-57-164.w86-217.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel === superm1 [n=superm1@ubuntu/member/superm1] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Zic [n=Zic@Final-Fantasy.FF-IRC.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ryu [n=chris@unaffiliated/ryu] has joined #ubuntu-devel === thekorn [n=thekorn@a89-182-80-50.net-htp.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Amaranth [n=travis@ubuntu/member/Amaranth] has joined #ubuntu-devel === atlas95 [n=atlas@AVelizy-153-1-57-164.w86-217.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:18] hiya dholbach [09:18] hey mdke === carlos [n=carlos@canonical/launchpad/carlos] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:20] dholbach: I tried installing bzr-builddeb yesterday, but it was uninstallable on feisty with bzr 0.90 and anyway I suspect gnome-user-docs needs to be built under gutsy... I'll wait until I upgrade :) [09:21] mdke: you can create a chroot [09:22] sudo mkdir /chroots; sudo debootstrap gutsy /chroots/gutsy; sudo chroot /chroots/gutsy [09:22] then work inside that chroot [09:23] so you just can get the minimal build environment for gnome-user-docs + bzr stuff in there and don't need to make your working system more "interesting" :) === davmor2 [n=davmor2@82-45-48-19.cable.ubr04.wolv.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-devel === IntuitiveNipple [n=TJ@alexandros.tjworld.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:23] dholbach: that would be really cool, it would save me plenty of grief. Good idea :) [09:24] ok cool [09:24] the debootstrap just takes a bit [09:24] but that's about it === atlas95 [n=atlas@AVelizy-153-1-57-164.w86-217.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:28] dholbach: where do I get the gutsy from for the debootstrap; it doesn't seem to have it automatically [09:28] heya dholbach, wb :-) [09:29] hey bryce :) [09:29] mdke: ahhh ok [09:29] dholbach: don't worry [09:29] mdke: it should be in feisty-backports [09:29] I'm checking the packaging guide, seems to explain [09:29] if not, you can always grab it from here too: http://packages.ubuntu.com/gutsy/admin/debootstrap === mdke nods [09:30] https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/debootstrap/1.0.1~feisty1 [09:30] thanks === dexem [n=dani@212.97.172.119.dyn.user.ono.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:32] bryce, so what did you think regarding doing a MIR for xserver-xorg-video-openchrome and making it default over the unichrome variant? [09:32] after looking over that thread that was posted in -motu [09:33] I'd definitely support a MIR for it [09:34] eeek, what made my CDs explode ? [09:34] I'm still iffy on making it default over -via... in part because I'm currently clueless on what it'd take to make it the default, but also because I'd want to see wider discussion on it first [09:34] heya ogra [09:35] of course [09:35] i anticipate the MIR will stir up the discussion [09:35] I'd love to get ogra's feedback on it [09:35] as its primary purpose to go to main would be to replace -via [09:35] also kylem's [09:35] superm1, you packaged it ? [09:35] via/openchrome/unichrome is a mess [09:35] yes [09:35] tepsipakki: *nod* === mpt [n=mpt@121-72-138-60.dsl.telstraclear.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ogra hugs superm1 [09:36] if someone could wrap up which one supports most chipsets.. [09:36] ogra, :) [09:36] maybe it's openchrome.. [09:36] i guess thats via .... [09:37] really? [09:37] ok, I really don't know anything about them ;) [09:37] well, openchrome and unicrome are pretty focused on certain models i really guess the via one supports more [09:37] I do have one via box under my maintenance though.. [09:38] i have three ... two use the via driver fine ... [09:38] http://wiki.openchrome.org/tikiwiki/tiki-index.php?page=HardwareCaveats === gizmo_ [n=gizmo@p578b708f.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:39] ok why don't we do this - [09:39] first, let's get openchrome in main [09:40] second, since it's already after FF, and since openchrome is (or will) *just* now be in main, hold off on making it the default for Gutsy [09:40] but start gathering user feedback on it, and see how it does [09:40] it could be the default for some chips that via doesn't support (are there any?) [09:41] and if there doesn't seem to be any serious problems, consider switching it for Gutsy+1 === atlas95 [n=atlas@AVelizy-153-1-57-164.w86-217.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:41] it would really be great if there was a way to patch it to allow it to be side by side with unichrome [09:42] they both install as via_drv.so? [09:42] (as does unichrome) === davmor2 [n=davmor2@82-45-48-19.cable.ubr04.wolv.blueyonder.co.uk] has left #ubuntu-devel [] [09:42] it should be enough to just rename the file === zenrox [i=zenrox@pool-71-115-208-222.spknwa.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:43] iirc X isn't too picky about that [09:43] fabbione: IIRC that doesn't work :/ [09:43] all three of them currently conflict with one another since they each provide via_drv.so [09:43] superm1: try to just extract the .so and rename it [09:43] change xorg.conf and see which one is loaded [09:43] tepsipakki: i am pretty sure I used to do that trick at some point [09:44] worst case there is a data struct in the driver that needs a one liner [09:44] fabbione: yeah, could be [09:44] I don't understand why they all want to be via_drv.so.. === amitk_ [n=amit@a91-154-119-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #ubuntu-devel === heno [n=henrik@ubuntu/member/heno] has joined #ubuntu-devel === coNP [n=conp@unaffiliated/conp] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:47] sounds like a few drivers that wish to be merged ;-) [09:47] if only upstreams could work together === seb128 [n=seb128@ubuntu/member/seb128] has joined #ubuntu-devel === norsetto [n=norsetto@host225-159-dynamic.57-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:49] from what i read in that thread, they said it was feasible to merge one way but not the other. that baffles my mind, especially to the point of why that merge hasn't occurred yet [09:53] superm1: which thread? [09:54] tepsipakki, http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/xorg/2005-December/011757.html [09:54] they all hate each other and think they know the 'right' way to do it :) [09:54] that thread is an interesting read. [09:54] superm1: ok, reading.. [09:54] superm1: thanks [09:54] i'm headed to bed though. night guys [09:56] night superm1! === atlas95 [n=atlas@AVelizy-153-1-57-164.w86-217.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jdthood [n=jdthood@x100.decis.nl] has joined #ubuntu-devel === davmor2 [n=davmor2@82-45-48-19.cable.ubr04.wolv.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-devel === rulus [n=rulus_|@d54C1A033.access.telenet.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jml [n=jml@ppp121-44-219-182.lns1.hba1.internode.on.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:28] doko_: did you noticed that gutsy/firefox and java are not playing well today? === webben [i=benh@nat/yahoo/x-1e191578679d773f] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:28] asac: ^^ [10:29] hmm, didn't change anything [10:30] fabbione: no ... haven't received any serious report after the install location was fixed (some time ago) === ssam [n=sam@87.127.117.246] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:30] i just upgrade to latest gutsy today [10:30] anything I open that has java scripts will spin 100% CPU with FF... [10:30] FF stays unresponsive [10:30] java scripts? or java applets? === chand [n=rsamson@linagoraberri.pck.nerim.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:31] asac: no idea.. it's one of those buttons you press to start a download... [10:31] fabbione: you have a link? [10:31] asac: yes === dexem [n=dani@212.97.172.119.dyn.user.ono.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:31] wait a second i have to get to my gutsy box :) === asac_the_2nd [n=asac@80.171.112.132] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:32] fabbione: ok please post :) [10:32] asac_the_2nd: i did to asac :) [10:33] fabbione: i don't see it ... any plugins/extensions installed? [10:34] fabbione: try to run in -safe-mode (firefox -safe-mode from cmdline) [10:34] asac_the_2nd: yeah i guess i do have plugins installed... [10:34] ok [10:34] trying [10:35] plugins don't get disabled by -safe-mode ... just extensions ... === Mez [n=Mez@ubuntu/member/mez] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mc44 [n=mc44@unaffiliated/mc44] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:36] asac_the_2nd: bingo... so now how do i identify which extension is making troubles? [10:37] fabbione: disable one by one in Tools -> Addons [10:38] asac: ok [10:38] thanks [10:38] fabbione: let me know which one caused this mess [10:38] asac: i have only 2... ubufox and google toolbar.. [10:38] this is going to be quick :) [10:39] yes google toolbar causes issues [10:39] at least there are reports claiming it [10:39] yeah that's it [10:39] but it's the very first time i see something like this [10:39] i think there was a workaround ... somewhere [10:40] yes ... its strange ... you sure you ran the latest on feisty before? [10:40] well disable -> enable and now doesn't complain anylonger [10:40] go figure [10:40] thanks [10:40] cool ;) ... aeh magic i mean [10:41] np === jml [n=jml@ppp121-44-219-182.lns1.hba1.internode.on.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === tkamppeter [n=till@bl8-122-240.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:44] pitti, ping [10:50] Riddell, any idea what to do with the oversizedness ? [10:51] remove something? [10:51] hmm [10:51] ubuntu is 8M over ... edubuntu 6 [10:51] those spanish lang packs presumably [10:51] (desktop CD that is) === Zdra [n=zdra@91.176.46.24] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:53] Riddell: Did the kubuntu cd's get redone I can test them then? === pygi [n=mario@155-134.dsl.iskon.hr] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:55] isn't OOo like 1/6th of the space used up on the CD? [10:55] just wondering [10:55] davmor2: daily-live/20070823 is what needs testing, so far X hasn't worked for anyone [10:56] Amaranth: yes [10:56] toss that out and put some lang packs in ;) [10:57] Riddell: Give it a try as soon as it has finished rsyncing then :) Also any news on the intel driver getting fixed? [10:59] I don't know if it's just the intel driver which is broken [11:00] what's the problem? [11:00] kagou, hi [11:01] Riddell: It I do alt-ctrl-f1 login and type sudo nano /etc/X11/xorg.conf and change "intel" to "i810" the whole inch high bar and titles go back to normal === coNP [n=conp@unaffiliated/conp] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:02] ok, that's something [11:03] hi tkamppeter [11:04] Riddell, i dropped spanish from edubuntu live, afaik that needs a publisher run to take effect for the next livefs build, do you have the power to do that ? [11:04] Amaranth: goto http://www.davmor2.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/Screenshot.png but kde and xubuntu are far worse for some reason [11:04] looks like your themeing is freaking out [11:05] oh, yum [11:05] the DPI issue [11:05] seb128: is someone taking care that xdg-user-dirs translations are going to be correctly used for folders and menu entries? it's been over two months since it was brought in, but it doesn't seem to work (bug #123435) [11:05] Launchpad bug 123435 in xdg-user-dirs "xdg-user-dirs translations not used" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/123435 === tonyyarusso [n=anthony@ubuntu/member/tonyyarusso] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:05] there was a bug filed against compiz for this at one point [11:05] Amaranth: Not DPI it fixed at 96 [11:05] davmor2: in xorg.conf? [11:05] It's mine [11:05] davmor2: ? [11:06] Amaranth: where Do I Look for that? [11:06] Mirv: translate it for your locale on launchpad and the next language pack update will have the translations === Havis__ [n=Havis@adsl-dyn207.91-127-187.t-com.sk] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:06] davmor2: the DPI? [11:06] seb128: the translations are there and installed, but the folder names aren't updated, automatically nor manually [11:06] davmor2: you have to set the screen's physical size [11:06] davmor2: then it computes the DPI [11:07] GNOME has a fun override to just always use 96 or whatever but not everything listens to it [11:07] Mirv: no, they only apply to new account, existant configuration are not modified because you are not way to know if those are user choices or not [11:07] s/are not way/have no way [11:08] Amaranth: Yes it's set as far as I know. I'm just getting the xorg.conf file up. What exactly am I looking for? === Nicke [n=niclasa@ua-83-227-140-135.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:08] i have no idea :P [11:08] let me see if i can find the bug report [11:08] kagou, I have packaged the fixes for bug 127152 and bug 128261 now. So they will appear in Gutsy soon (probably after Tribe 5). Thank you very much for your testing efforts. Without this cooperation I had not been able to fix these problems. [11:09] Launchpad bug 127152 in system-config-printer "Auto-scanned SMB-provided printers cannot be selected" [Medium,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/127152 [11:09] Launchpad bug 128261 in system-config-printer "Wrong URI generated for SMB printer" [Medium,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/128261 === Arby [n=richard@82.152.178.205] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:10] Amaranth: According to this there is one resolution 1280x800 [11:12] i can't find the bug report [11:12] my google-fu has failed [11:12] it's the driver reporting a broken DPI for some reason [11:12] in Ubuntu you only see it on titlebars because that's the part compiz draws [11:13] in Kubuntu you probably see if everything because i don't think they have a similar override [11:13] err, see it on [11:13] 4am ftl [11:14] mvo might remember what it was === dexem [n=dani@14.Red-88-26-177.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:14] but i think he is on vacation or something === chand [n=rsamson@linagoraberri.pck.nerim.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:14] ogra: yes, I'll do that [11:14] Amaranth: so why when you change to "i810" does everything work properly? [11:14] davmor2: it's the driver reporting a broken DPI for some reason === tseliot [n=tseliot@host105-252-dynamic.11-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:15] from what i can tell the only good thing you get out of using the 'intel' driver is not having to use 915resolution [11:15] heard nothing but complaints about it otherwise [11:16] Riddell, thanks [11:17] Amaranth: is the bug 118745 by any chance? [11:17] Launchpad bug 118745 in libgnome "Font sizes in Gutsy are affected by bad X.org DPI detection" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/118745 === Havis [n=Havis@adsl-dyn135.91-127-174.t-com.sk] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:19] davmor2: similar [11:21] seb128: does it mean that all feisty -> gutsy upgraders will have English folders in bookmarks etc? do you mean that if eg. a person with an account already has a folder called "Music" in the home folder, it's not wanted that it's automatically converted to the localized version? what about if it could be detected that "now we created folders for this existing account", shouldn't the translations be used for those? [11:22] Mirv: no, upgrade will have no bookmarks added [11:22] Mirv: already existing accounts will not be changed [11:23] seb128: ok, then I think I just happened to install this version of gutsy before the translations were in. still, xdg-user-dirs-update does not seem to work even manually, or xdg-user-dirs-gtk-update [11:23]