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[04:24] Mithrandir, we wanted to make a new "mobile-chat" blueprint === Lure [n=lure@12.10.190.194] has joined #ubuntu-mobile === irreplaceable [n=tw917509@221-169-13-105.adsl.static.seed.net.tw] has joined #ubuntu-mobile === Dan_laptop_ [i=chatzill@nat/intel/x-61671acba22436fe] has joined #ubuntu-mobile === Dan_laptop_ is now known as Dan_laptop === Charliefjohnson [i=cfj@nat/intel/x-81d8a8f748969488] has joined #ubuntu-mobile === sodarock [n=chatzill@static-71-245-107-3.ptldor.fios.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-mobile === sodarock is now known as sodarock_home === Lure [n=lure@12.10.190.194] has joined #ubuntu-mobile [07:48] bspencer: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu -> register blueprint. === HappyCamp_laptop [n=chatzill@gateway.sodarock.com] has joined #ubuntu-mobile === Peter_ubuntu [i=Peter@nat/intel/x-b2263657d365a897] has joined #Ubuntu-mobile === tko_ [n=tkomulai@jabber.hst.ru] has joined #ubuntu-mobile === bspencer [i=bob@nat/intel/x-f54c603d409f6184] has joined #ubuntu-mobile === bobux [i=bspencer@nat/intel/x-3bc46a63d3b008df] has joined #ubuntu-mobile === Peter_ubuntu [i=Peter@nat/intel/x-8930087eaef77965] has joined #Ubuntu-mobile === dannyz_ [i=dannyz@nat/intel/x-7d7507e2047d80de] has joined #ubuntu-mobile === rob_ [i=rob@nat/intel/x-6f83d97d32f818bf] has joined #ubuntu-mobile === amitk_ [n=amit@a91-154-119-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #ubuntu-mobile [09:45] Mithrandir, thanks [09:45] when I went to https://blueprints.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-mobile there was no such link === seb128 [n=seb128@ubuntu/member/seb128] has joined #ubuntu-mobile [09:48] bspencer: yeah, it's a bit confusing. === guardian [n=Guardian@mar44-1-87-90-32-28.dsl.club-internet.fr] has joined #ubuntu-mobile === wasikevin [n=tw917509@221-169-13-105.adsl.static.seed.net.tw] has joined #ubuntu-mobile [10:48] Mithrandir: what is the difference between the fsets "crownbeach full-mobil" and "moblin crownbeach full-mobile"? 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[03:45] amitk_: Hi Amit. Yes, you can hold the R "mouse" button on the right [03:48] agoliveira: does your speaker make a sound like it's a popcorn maker? [03:49] No. Actually, now that you mention, I don't recall to hear anything from it but I didn't activelly tested. [03:49] Ok. How the hell do I generate a working initramfs on the installed system? === wasikevin [n=tw917509@221-169-13-105.adsl.static.seed.net.tw] has joined #ubuntu-mobile === matt_c [n=mcroydon@gozur.sunflowerbroadband.com] has joined #ubuntu-mobile === kyleN [n=kyle@fw.pepper.com] has joined #ubuntu-mobile === kwwii_ [n=kwwii@p54957591.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-mobile === vivijim [n=vivijim@200.184.118.132] has joined #ubuntu-mobile === AtomicPunk [n=tebrandt@pool-71-117-215-168.ptldor.fios.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-mobile === AtomicPunk [n=tebrandt@pool-71-117-215-168.ptldor.fios.verizon.net] has left #ubuntu-mobile ["Later"] === CarlSagan [n=tebrandt@pool-71-117-215-168.ptldor.fios.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-mobile === CarlSagan is now known as AtomicPunk === renatofilho [n=renato@200.184.118.132] has joined #ubuntu-mobile === kyleN [n=kyle@fw.pepper.com] has joined #ubuntu-mobile === ian_brasil [n=ian@dasasob.nokia.com] has joined #ubuntu-mobile === matt_c [n=mcroydon@gozur.sunflowerbroadband.com] has joined #ubuntu-mobile === Lure [n=lure@12.178.120.83] has joined #ubuntu-mobile === asac_ [n=asac@debian/developer/asac] has joined #ubuntu-mobile === DarkRaven [n=dvwyngaa@dsl-244-209-175.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-mobile === Charliefjohnson [i=cfj@nat/intel/x-1df36f134d9558a2] has joined #ubuntu-mobile === captainigloo [n=silent@gar31-4-82-240-198-102.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-mobile === wasikevin [n=tw917509@221-169-13-105.adsl.static.seed.net.tw] has joined #ubuntu-mobile === Sciri [n=sean@fw.pepper.com] has joined #Ubuntu-Mobile === rustyl [n=Rusty@c-76-27-226-169.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-mobile === Lure [n=lure@12.178.120.83] has joined #ubuntu-mobile [05:57] good morning, everybody. [05:57] mjg59,amitk_,agoliveira: all of you around for the meeting? [05:57] Yes [05:57] yep [05:57] yes [05:57] morning [05:57] rustyl: care to round up bob and mauri and whoever else from your side is attending? === bspencer [i=chatzill@nat/intel/x-eb82b38e395d0a50] has joined #ubuntu-mobile [05:58] there's bob [05:58] and Carl is on the way [05:58] I'm here for the meeting [05:59] morning y'all [05:59] Mauri will not be attending today. She has an all day meeting. === cwong1 [i=chatzill@nat/intel/x-38e79ec2dc5a72b1] has joined #ubuntu-mobile [05:59] oh, ok. [05:59] Mithrandir, i'm not sure if Mauri will be able to make it. She is in an all day meeting today (but she might sneak in) [05:59] evening === agoliveira is hungry and ready and waves all. [06:00] agoliveira: you should learn to eat during other meetings. :-) [06:00] ok, are we missing anybody? [06:00] all day meetings... what fun she has! [06:01] bspencer: before the meeting starts, I'd like to shame you for failing to post status reports to the mailing list. === wyn1_ [n=riven@dsl-244-209-175.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-mobile [06:01] please make sure to do so next week? === bspencer bows his head === AtomicPunk is ToddBrandt [06:01] k [06:01] let's start then [06:01] #startmeeting [06:01] Meeting started at 15:53. The chair is Mithrandir. [06:01] Commands Available: [TOPIC] , [IDEA] , [ACTION] , [AGREED] , [LINK] , [VOTE] [06:02] I notice the clock on MootBot is still wrong by almost ten minutes. [06:02] Let's try to make it in 1 hour this time, please? :) [06:02] or less [06:02] sure [06:02] agoliveira, I hope you got a snack :) [06:03] We'll go through any of the specs which haven't had status reports sent to the list, then any other business. [06:03] sounds like a plan? [06:03] yes [06:03] today, we'll start with the mobile-utilities, by AtomicPunk [06:03] Yes, I'm having a fruit now to hold for another hour :) [06:03] [TOPIC] mobile-utilities [06:03] New Topic: mobile-utilities [06:03] ok [06:04] so... did you want a status update? [06:04] yes, please. [06:04] oh, sorry [06:04] current status, any blockers and such. [06:04] ok, basically the moblin-applets package is building and running with 7 applets [06:05] I'm still pulling out irrelevant gnome code but for the most part the warnings have ceased [06:05] sounds good, does it need any other packages than what's already in Ubuntu? [06:06] I'm also in the process of setting up a new project page for moblin-applets on the moblin site with documentation on how to use the various applets, and eventually with a nice tutorial on how to enable new pugins in the package with glade guis [06:06] nope, it's running well [06:07] that's about it, I'm also working on pulling in the gnome-system-tools code so that we can have a complete applets set [06:07] AtomicPunk, you should talk about the path to adding the new moblin-applets package into Ubuntu Gutsy === Charliefjohnson [i=cfj@nat/intel/x-4fe14a6b8bae53a8] has joined #ubuntu-mobile [06:08] well, I'm sortof new at that, I'm just waiting for feedback at the moment, what's the next step? === tko_ [n=tkomulai@jabber.hst.ru] has left #ubuntu-mobile [] [06:08] AtomicPunk: what's your plan to avoid duplicating g-s-t and playing catch-up forever? [06:08] hi everyone [06:09] a lot of what g-s-t does is not applicable [06:09] Mithrandir: basically the moblin applets is a fork of gnome-control-center and gnome-system-tools, it stops at version 2.18.1 [06:10] I'm pulling out as much gnome-desktop stuff as possible and am making it hildo specific [06:10] hildon [06:10] AtomicPunk: ok, and you intend to keep it that way and merge updated functionality by hand? [06:11] actually I don't intend to merge again, we'll manage these packages separately [06:11] We're just using gnome as a starting point [06:12] if we see some nifty or important upstream feature we'll merge by hand [06:12] ok [06:12] Yea, if it's really cool [06:12] I'll see what I can do to get moblin-applets into the repository, but it might not happen today. [06:12] no problem [06:13] is there a remedy planned to help alieviate the Mithrandir-in-the-middle bottle-neck? [06:13] oh, bspencer, incidentally, I added in the kepyboard applet as a starting point for Jian's keyboard work === Lure [n=lure@12.178.120.83] has joined #ubuntu-mobile === Charliejohnson_ [i=cfj@nat/intel/x-fcebe99c0cf402c9] has joined #ubuntu-mobile [06:13] AtomicPunk: thanks [06:13] bspencer: yes: getting more of you guys able to upload and getting more staffing from our side. [06:13] the process for pushing changes into Ubuntu should be it's own topic [06:14] Mithrandir: ok. want to reduce our bugging you as soon as we can [06:14] bspencer: so do I. .-) [06:14] (though we'd prefer to clone you) [06:14] s/.-)/:-)/ [06:14] AtomicPunk: thanks for your update. [06:14] let's move on then. [06:14] [TOPIC] mobile-image-creation [06:14] New Topic: mobile-image-creation [06:14] HappyCamp: that's your baby now, right? [06:15] Yep [06:15] more like red headed step child :-> [06:15] I burp it every night :) [06:16] Uh, am I supposed to say something here??? [06:16] can you give us a status update? Are there any changes going on, any blockers, etc? [06:16] I have been continuing to fix bugs and try to improve things that I feel need to get better. [06:17] At the moment I don't know of any blockers. We of course had some issues in the last two days with the Gutsy repo, but I don't believe that was our fault. [06:17] I think the issue of desynchronization between the image creator config and what's in gutsy needs to be addressed [06:17] Rusty did create an Ubuntu staging area for FSets. Maybe he would like to describe that. [06:17] but perhaps we can do that as part of the general moblin->ubuntu discussion as rustyl suggested [06:18] mdz: +1 [06:18] mdz: I worked around it by yanking out all the problematic bits from the fsets, but that's hardly the right way to do it. [06:18] we felt that [06:18] rustyl: can you say something about the staging area? [06:18] rustyl, would you like to describe the Ubuntu staging area fset? [06:18] We added a new fset called 'ubuntu-stagin' [06:18] g [06:19] this fset is dedicated to packages that are currently in moblin, ... [06:19] and are ready for pushing into ubuntu... [06:19] but are not there yet. [06:19] The toplevel full-stack fsets do NOT pull in this fset [06:19] So this would be for packages which do NOT exist at all in Ubuntu?? [06:20] so this makes it easier to do testing fo the packages while making it very clear that the packages are not in gutsy [06:20] HappyCamp, yes === HappyCamp plays dumb or maybe he really is :) [06:20] then we have successful ume builds [06:20] it facilitates testing and also helps document what needs to be pushed [06:21] for new packages that is [06:21] we still have the issue of existing packages needing to push updates [06:21] thoughts anyone? [06:21] rustyl: So one have to add a high level fset and this one to have it? [06:22] will the packages disappear from moblin once they are merged into ubuntu? [06:22] people have to add an additional step when creating target images [06:22] amitk_, some packages will disappear from moblin but others will remain. [06:22] rustyl: I'd like to address the pushing bit as a separate topic. [06:22] amitk_, but gutsy is pulled first [06:22] ok [06:22] ok [06:23] HappyCamp: thanks; let's move on [06:23] k :) [06:23] [TOPIC] mobile-mediaplayer [06:23] New Topic: mobile-mediaplayer [06:23] I compiled a long list of functional specifications [06:23] (skipping those specs with status reports, and anything from Charliejohnson_ as he's not here) [06:24] after chatting with the Pepper guys a little we realized that htere were some holes in our current list [06:24] the scope of media is quite large, actually [06:24] I'm in the middle of updating the online blueprint [06:24] Mithrandir: I'm monitoring but am in an all day meeting. [06:24] should be done by end of meeting [06:24] Charliejohnson_: ok. [06:24] the media player is at a state of being ready to be pulled in (with moblin-applets) [06:25] I've run into some problems pushing the media player into Ubuntu. Short summary is python-hildon is quite annoying to get to behave properly. Once I've fixed that I'll push it in. [06:25] it is currently called "mobile-player" but we'll be renaming it to "moblin-media" [06:25] could we do that before pushing it? [06:25] Mithrandir: ok. I know that horace worked on that piece [06:25] Mithrandir: yes. we'll rename it today [06:25] horace also had some problem with python, but he fixed it [06:25] perhaps only in moblin... I don't recall. I'll have to check into that [06:25] bspencer: moblin-media or moblin-media-player? [06:26] the former [06:26] can you punt the blueprint back to awaiting approval once you've edited it? [06:26] Werid... :) [06:26] Mithrandir: will do [06:26] agoliveira: well, complain now [06:26] :) [06:26] moblin-media-viewer === agoliveira complains now [06:26] ;) [06:27] it is more than either a player or a viewer, I think the general name is probably more understandable [06:27] how about project-builder === rustyl gets back under his rock [06:27] one of the areas that we are still not covering gracefully is getting content on the MID [06:27] bspencer: You probably have like 3 milion marketing guys in your building. Let them do that :) [06:27] agoliveira: done [06:28] rustyl: just cause you want an icon, don't take it out on me [06:28] currently our sync plan is to have a USB interface to the PC. That's it. [06:28] but we might want to extend that for user simplicity. [06:28] But in general we are making good progress on the player [06:28] the blueprint is nearly done [06:28] hoping to have discussion on it this week [06:28] === lenkawell [n=len@fw.pepper.com] has joined #ubuntu-mobile [06:29] lenkawell: Hi Len. [06:30] agoleira, hi! [06:30] ok, I'm quite interested in seeing how it [06:30] lenkawell: (meeting in progress) [06:30] 's looking now [06:30] I'll send a screenshot to the list in the next few minutes [06:30] ok, moving on. [06:31] amitk_: you haven't sent updates to the list, have you? [06:31] Mithrandir: no time today... [06:31] [TOPIC] power-management-in-ubuntu / mobile-kernel [06:31] New Topic: power-management-in-ubuntu / mobile-kernel [06:31] amitk_: you get to do it live, then. :-) [06:32] ok... so the list is SDIO stack, FB_VESA and thermal [06:32] SDIO stack got integrated with -10.30 [06:32] does it generate uevents properly, so it can be taken out of /etc/modules? [06:33] 2.6.22-10.30 is what's in the current daily builds [06:33] Mithrandir: haven't tested SDIO yet on the crownbeach [06:34] do you have any sdio hardware? [06:34] FB_VESA was enabled on request from Intel, but protests from mjg59 [06:34] There should be no reason for FB_VESA to be built in [06:34] usplash uses its own VESA implementation [06:34] Mauri promised to send me a SDIO WLAN card .. still waiting on that === shirish [n=shirish@59.95.23.61] has joined #ubuntu-mobile [06:34] perhaps an ACTION? [06:35] ? on what? test sdio hardware when it arrives? [06:35] or take FB_VESA out? [06:36] to send me an SDIO peripheral for testing :) [06:36] I am also working on moving UME and LPIA to a binary-custom.d build [06:36] what does that mean, in practice? [06:36] I think she already knows, but I can follow up on that. [06:37] in preparation for the gutsy update that might have the upstream MMC stack [06:37] does anybody have problems with that? Users shouldn't notice the difference [06:38] no, it just took me a minute to remember what it meant [06:38] it means we can do crazy patching with new, fresh code and such which doesn't touch the normal builds, right? [06:38] To clarify further: this is to allow us to patch only a single flavour (UME/LPIA) with patches [06:38] right [06:39] ok.. so moving on [06:39] ok, coolie [06:39] amitk_: So it sounds like this will allow us to have UME running on its own schedule from gutsy? [06:39] Charliejohnson_: not entirely on its own, but you could put in more breakage-inducing stuff in there :) [06:40] Charliejohnson_: it's a partial decoupling on the kernel side, yes [06:41] amitk_: ok, so moving on to FB_VESA. [06:41] after that, I will merge the thermal patches that have been languishing all this week due to our kernel upload problems [06:41] mdz:OK great. Will take this into account in the re-plan. [06:41] mjg59: ? [06:42] amitk_: usplash makes VESA calls directly, it doesn't use fb [06:42] It /can/ use fb, but if it needs to on x86 then that's a bug === shirish [n=shirish@59.95.23.61] has left #ubuntu-mobile ["Leaving."] [06:42] It should be fixed in usplash, not worked around in the kernel [06:43] then there must be a bug in usplash [06:43] amitk_: you said FB_VESA was requested from Intel...who? and was it for usplash or something else? [06:43] rustyl: Sure. I need someone to file a bug with hardware information. [06:43] rustyl: .. or in the VESA implementation on the silicon. :-P [06:43] rob_, you have more info... right? [06:43] Alek Du and Rob [06:43] Mithrandir: Eh. If it works with the kernel code, it can't be that bad [06:44] mjg59: point. [06:44] mdz: it was for usplash problems [06:45] well, alek isn't on the meeting (he lives in Shanghi), and i can't go into more details [06:45] rustyl, alek is probably on the plane to JF now [06:46] amitk_: can you take responsibility for talking with Rob and mjg59 and getting it worked out? If mjg59 says we shouldn't need FB_VESA, I trust him and we should get the usplash bug fixed. [06:46] i can fill you in [06:46] ah, there's rob [06:47] alek found out that usplash wasn't working in the UME kernel and he thought it was because FB_VESA was disabled [06:47] we have FB_VESA configured on our kernel and it works fine [06:47] Enabling FB_VESA and passing vga=whatever will cause usplash to fall back to using the framebuffer interface [06:47] ok, so we should probably try flipping that and see if it works around the problem, and if so, take it from there? [06:47] i believe he recompiled your kernel with FB_VESA turned on usplash began to work also on your kernel [06:48] If you're not passing vga=, it'll do nothing [06:48] (You shouldn't be passing vga=) [06:48] There seems to be an issue with our modular vesafb at the moment, tha tresults in it failing to work properly if you pass a vga= option - the bootloader will put the hardware in a vesa mode, but vesafb won't be initialised properly [06:49] But again, you shouldn't be passing vga= on the kernel command line [06:49] (And if you're not, vesafb won't do anything regardless of how it's built-in) [06:49] it seems to me this is a bit hard to debug in the meeting without Alek here. [06:49] given that he's spent some time debugging it [06:49] Yeah. If someone could file a bug, we'll work through it. [06:50] rob_: bug? [06:50] alek did file a bug === rob_ goes to look it up [06:52] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-meta/+bug/133557 [06:53] Ah, yeah, got it [06:53] It's sparse on details [06:54] rob_: bugs should be filed on the appropriately versioned kernel package, not on linux-meta. if you put the expansion of linux-image-`uname -r` into the package box, it should do the right thing [06:54] let's move on, and you can work on it out of band? [06:54] Sure. [06:55] amitk_: power/thermal stuff is just waiting to be merged and has been blocked on the kernel hilarity earlier in the week? [06:55] (Oh, turns out I'd replied to that bug already) === captainigloo [n=silent@gar31-4-82-240-198-102.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-mobile [06:56] basically yes. Plus the conversion to binary-custom.d. Since I am not entirely comfortable with the size of the patches. I will share it on kernel-team (mjg59, you on it?) [06:56] ok, sounds good to me. [06:56] that's all from me [06:56] move on to how to get stuff from moblin into Ubuntu, then? [06:57] mdz: i'll pass the info onto my team. we're still learning how your bug process works. [06:57] [TOPIC] moblin/Ubuntu synchronisation [06:57] New Topic: moblin/Ubuntu synchronisation [06:57] I have another meeting in 2m :-/ [06:57] agoliveira's stomach does too ;) [06:57] amitk_: I am [06:58] rustyl: you took an action to follow up on this from the last meeting; can you summarize the outcome for us? [06:58] yes [06:58] bspencer: I alredy had 2 apples, can wait a bit longer ;) [06:58] we are changing the way our build process works [06:58] currently... [06:59] when ever anyone makes a change, we automatically generate a new package and push it into our apt repository [06:59] we will be changing this so that the autobuild still happens (to assist in unit testing), but... [07:00] the only time the package is pushed to our repository is when the maintainer updates the changelog entry from UNRELEASED to anything else [07:00] can you have it skip it when it's changed to "gutsy", since that means it'll be in Ubuntu soonish? [07:00] then then maintainer is on the hook to also push the package (following whatever process we have) into gutsy [07:01] Mithrandir, that shouldn't be too hard [07:01] so upload on anything but UNRELEASED or gutsy [07:01] that, together with purging anything that's older in moblin than gutsy and then publishing Packages.gz in a more readable format somewhere should be a nice "list of outstanding work". [07:01] or at least, outstanding uploads. [07:02] hmmm.... seems like we could have a page on moblin that parses Packages.gz to indicate what is pending updates to gutsy [07:02] and it could link directly into the source repository to make it easy to see diffs [07:03] HappyCamp, thoughts? [07:04] BTW, HappyCamp will be in Boston so you guys can iron out any wrinkless in the new process [07:04] Cool. [07:04] sorry, I was distracted with trying to book my travel :( [07:04] sounds good. [07:05] rustyl, I'm sure we can do that. It's just 1s and 0s [07:05] I'll see if I can get time for it. [07:05] Everything is ;) === HappyCamp thinks we may want to create bugs for these ideas in the moblin bugzilla. [07:05] this allows for the moblin work flow to more naturally fit into the ubuntu work flow, but we still need to address the hand off of packages into gutsy [07:06] rustyl: yes, it doesn't actually make the packages flow faster, but it makes it possible for me to get an answer to the question "is $package outdated based on what's in moblin?" [07:06] before we talked about starting some Intel guys on the path the enlightenment (or... motu) [07:07] yes, that's something I'd still like to pursue. [07:08] is there anything else we can do before that? [07:08] [ACTION] HappyCamp to create page on moblin.org which lists packages which are newer in moblin than gutsy [07:08] ACTION received: HappyCamp to create page on moblin.org which lists packages which are newer in moblin than gutsy [07:08] rustyl: path for enlightenment -> http://www.enlightenment.org/ [07:08] rustyl: ideally, I'd like whoever ends up being your point man for that to be in Boston too, since dholbach is going to be there. [07:09] hmm... sounds like HappyCamp is up for bat [07:09] sounds like it. [07:09] since he tends to be our build guy, it makes sense [07:09] and he gets to yell at the rest of you when you make silly mistakes. ;-) [07:10] oh crap [07:10] HappyCamp enjoys that [07:10] BOFH! [07:11] so while this won't be fixed very-short-term, it should be better in the medium term and even less painful long-term [07:11] we'll also be staffing up so I'm less of a bottle-neck [07:11] (and Adilson should get upload access once he's been mentored a little bit more) === rob_ thinks HappyCamp already yells at us for making stupid mistakes === agoliveira waits to get suppa pawars === wasikevin [n=tw917509@221-169-13-105.adsl.static.seed.net.tw] has joined #ubuntu-mobile [07:12] rustyl: do you think this is adequate, or are there more steps we need to make things happen more quickly? [07:12] cloning me is unfortunately not really an option. :-P [07:12] Mithrandir: You should think about fatten up a bit so you would be less of a bottle-neck :P [07:12] i think it's worth a shot [07:13] or would that be shoot [07:13] shot. [07:13] ok, sounds good then. [07:13] either way... we could have a standing agenda item to revisit how this is working [07:13] I'll make a note about that. [07:13] [AGREED] Revisit moblin/Ubuntu synchronisation next week. [07:13] AGREED received: Revisit moblin/Ubuntu synchronisation next week. [07:13] does anybody have any other business before we close? [07:14] Mithrandir: From the application point of view, OH have just commited hildon support for their development branch of contacts [07:14] Cool! [07:14] I have a question [07:14] mjg59: yay, that's great news. Any idea when it'll be in a released version? [07:15] Mithrandir: No clue. We may need to package it separately. [07:15] mjg59: ok, thanks for the update. [07:15] kyleN: shoot [07:15] I've been chatting with various people about firming up graphical themeing. Should this be a formal part of the plan? [07:16] kyleN: I think it should [07:16] it's big enough [07:16] definitely [07:16] I didn't know there was "a plan" :) [07:16] plan=get everything done [07:16] yes, it should be written down somewhere as a spec. [07:17] sub_plan = one way or another [07:17] kwwii: plan: 1. create ubuntu mobile 2. ... 3. profit. [07:17] we have for example discussed creating a theme sdk package that uses splicer and other related activities [07:17] kyleN: btw, I have been looking into the themeing tools and there is much more than just the slicer...I'll try to document things as I create my first test theme [07:18] i sent a summary of our irc chat on this topic to the folks who were involved, should I send this to the list? [07:18] Mithrandir: lol [07:19] kyleN: would probably be useful, yes. [07:19] will do. [07:20] it would be useful as a conversation starter, and if kwwii jumps in too, it'd a dialogue rather than a monologue too. === Charliefjohnson [i=cfj@nat/intel/x-31e487f807908d26] has joined #ubuntu-mobile [07:21] it's been a multipart conversation so far. [07:21] that's good [07:22] kyleN: will you start a spec or should I? [07:23] Can you? [07:23] sure, no problem [07:23] ok, any other business? [07:24] I'm ok. [07:24] adjourned, then [07:24] #endmeeting [07:24] Meeting finished at 17:16. [07:24] not under one hour, but at least under one and a half [07:25] that's an improvement [07:25] SO it seems :) GOing lunch now... [07:25] not too shabby considering that bspencer didn't send status [07:25] with status from you + amit, I think we can make an hour next week [07:25] Mithrandir: we'll see === Charliefjohnson [i=cfj@nat/intel/x-8d84e15d17207a3a] has joined #ubuntu-mobile === Charliejohnson_ [i=cfj@nat/intel/x-ed760cfb8ad2ab6e] has joined #ubuntu-mobile [08:04] so how does one mount a usb stick on a running Q1? === guardian [n=Guardian@ANantes-252-1-108-196.w81-53.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-mobile [08:07] kwwii, i don't have my device in front of me, but you should just be able to drop into a terminal and do a 'mount /dev/sda /mnt' or something similar like using /dev/sda1 if you have partitions on the stick [08:07] but that is if you booted off the hd [08:07] otherwise it will be sdb [08:08] kwwii, long term we will have hal up and running an the automount will take care of this [08:09] hrm, I tried to mount pretty much any sd* I could think of and it keeps saying that it is already mounted or /mnt is busy (but /mnt is not mounted to anything) [08:10] hehe, now I get it [08:10] kwwii, hmmm... maybe hal is already on it [08:10] I booted off the hard drive but it find is as sdb [08:10] see if it automounted to /media/something [08:10] ok [08:10] thanks :-) [08:11] btw. it would be nice for us non-techies to have some kind of notice when we can update our systems without worries of ruining things (like when the current system won't boot right or such) [08:11] and a list of installable apps would be nice too :-) [08:15] yes, that should be handled by the nightly build, where we not only kick off a build but also have some amount of testing to find if the image is usable and then a notice when the results look good with something like a change log... or maybe nightly is a little too often [08:15] at the very least, it would be nice to have tribe UME builds [08:16] right [08:16] even better would be a few developers to hold my hand everytime I change something :p [08:17] pass that thing... don't be a hog. some others would like to have a hit or two [08:18] ;-) [08:21] This may be interesting: http://www.speech.cs.cmu.edu/pocketsphinx/ === Charliefjohnson [i=cfj@nat/intel/x-145008157b4b6590] has joined #ubuntu-mobile === Jack-Laptop [i=chatzill@nat/intel/x-5360bc7bcb74c3f5] has joined #ubuntu-mobile === Jack-Laptop [i=chatzill@nat/intel/x-805f58ba2a7b9b6f] has joined #ubuntu-mobile === abhi [i=chatzill@nat/intel/x-9e01bf1ef2acf119] has joined #ubuntu-mobile === mawhalen [i=chatzill@nat/intel/x-1a7a43eb3843d7b5] has joined #ubuntu-mobile === javamaniac [n=gerardo@pwnd.gerardo.com.ve] has joined #ubuntu-mobile [08:57] agoliveira: could you attach the diff rather than copy it to the description? [08:57] agoliveira: and also explain what you patch is doing? [08:57] seb128: Sure. [08:58] agoliveira: speaking about the tasks bug [08:58] Ok, just let me organize things here because I made the same mistake with stardict [08:58] Sorry [08:59] that's ok [08:59] everybody needs to learn ;) [08:59] I'm happy to sponsor the update if the bug is done correctly :) [08:59] seb128: Now I saw the mistake. Is there a way to just delete it? [09:00] agoliveira: the bug? no [09:00] agoliveira: you can edit the description and replace it with some text [09:00] and then add an attachment [09:00] Ok, I'll do that hold on. [09:02] seb128: Hmmm... I just noticed that there's a different path if I need to update the code base as well isn't it? In one case, I need to first update stardict to 3.0 and then apply the patch. [09:02] agoliveira: I'm not sure I understand your question [09:03] I only looked at the tasks bug [09:03] I'll return to that subject later. It's just something that I saw. Let me fix the others first. [09:03] the " subscribe ubuntu-universe-sponsors" seems to be not working [09:03] the team is not subscribed [09:07] seb128: Can you check if I've done correctly this time? [09:07]