[01:20] <asac_the_2nd> ok i am out for today ... good night!
[10:26] <asac> damn ... getting up at 7 to visit public offices isn't fun if you went to bed at 3am :)
[11:01] <bluekuja> asac: :)
[11:01] <asac> hey
[11:02] <bluekuja> how is life going around here?
[11:02] <asac> did the police take your drivers license :)
[11:02] <asac> ?
[11:02] <bluekuja> lol
[11:02] <asac> for me things are fine.
[11:03] <bluekuja> I was lucky they didnt find me
[11:03] <bluekuja> :P
[11:03] <bluekuja> anyway everything went fine
[11:04] <bluekuja> asac: did you see this mail:
[11:04] <bluekuja> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/motu-council/2007-August/000314.html
[11:04] <bluekuja> this make me crazy
[11:05] <bluekuja> asac: usually ppl on august leave for vacation
[11:05] <bluekuja> so does not do any activity
[11:05] <bluekuja> but maybe it's not clear for everyone
[11:06] <asac> well ... he cannot know
[11:06] <bluekuja> so he shouldnt talk
[11:06] <asac> we usually don't do much holiday
[11:06] <bluekuja> yeah, because you're one of the project managers
[11:07] <bluekuja> and you follows mozilla directly
[11:07] <asac> i don't see anything offending in it
[11:07] <asac> really
[11:07] <asac> its just that so many people vanish and just stop
[11:07] <asac> that its a valid question to ask
[11:07] <bluekuja> in my opinion he loves to talk too much
[11:08] <bluekuja> I never put any word in others stuff
[11:08] <asac> keybuk is a reasonable person ... everybody has his weaknes though
[11:08] <bluekuja> I speak only for me and for open discussions
[11:08] <bluekuja> asac: he was scottk
[11:08] <asac> ah
[11:08] <asac> ok
[11:08] <asac> sorry misread
[11:09] <bluekuja> asac: he did it already with:
[11:09] <asac> well just answer and get over it ... its a public mailing list so nobody can really stop others from posting things
[11:10] <bluekuja> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/motu-council/2007-July/000240.html
[11:10] <bluekuja> and
[11:10] <bluekuja> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/motu-council/2007-July/000244.html
[11:10] <asac> yeah ... but he has no word ... some people just want to be over-critical
[11:11] <bluekuja> yeah, but you know how I'm done
[11:11] <bluekuja> I get crazy when I see stuff like that
[11:11] <asac> you cannot prevent technical hybris people to be in a project
[11:11] <bluekuja> true thing
[11:11] <asac> think about this as a challenge ... you really have to learn how real life is
[11:11] <bluekuja> ye, nice hint
[11:12] <bluekuja> I hope this will end up in a good way
[11:12] <bluekuja> too many noise
[11:12] <asac> there are always people that are assholes or want to piss at you ... the average in ubuntu is on top of the world though
[11:12] <asac> yes ... i cannot tell why this noise happened ... i think its because you peered with a lot of people in the past
[11:13] <bluekuja> yea
[11:13] <bluekuja> only because a +0.5
[11:13] <asac> and if peer with lots of people chances are high that you bump into someone who has an attitude that isn't really what you want
[11:14] <asac> yeah ... which wasn't good as well ...  i mean ... i think matt (or someone) asked to give clear + 1 or -1 ... and then he answered well "i give 0.5"
[11:14] <bluekuja> yea
[11:14] <asac> a bit childish ... either he should stand up to his opinion and give a -1
[11:14] <asac> or a +1
[11:14] <bluekuja> in fact
[11:14] <bluekuja> he had no motivation for a -1
[11:14] <bluekuja> he asked me in pm
[11:15] <asac> maybe he hat ... but didn't have the guts to publicly state his opinion
[11:15] <bluekuja> to have lionel's mail
[11:15] <asac> s/hat/had/
[11:15] <bluekuja> with his response, lionel sent a +1
[11:15] <bluekuja> so he had no more chance
[11:15] <bluekuja> but he gave a +0.5 after 1 month of inactivity
[11:17] <bluekuja> I don't more mind about this really
[11:18] <asac> i would just answer to that mail with "i was on vacation" ... and get back to normal life
[11:19] <bluekuja> a friend sent a mail already
[11:19] <bluekuja> :)
[11:19] <bluekuja> when I was away
[11:20] <asac> then its already clarified ... no need to put time into answering his email
[11:20] <asac> just ignore it then
[11:20] <bluekuja> yea
[11:21] <bluekuja> asac: I will finish vacations on this sunday
[11:21] <bluekuja> then I restart school
[11:21] <bluekuja> and I will have really less time to be here
[11:21] <bluekuja> but I guess one hour per day
[11:22] <asac> thats good
[11:22] <bluekuja> yea, at least I can check/answer mails
[11:22] <bluekuja> fix bugs on my packages
[11:23] <bluekuja> and nothing more
[11:23] <asac> how is your new relationship going?
[11:24] <bluekuja> asac: is not going good with the new gf
[11:24] <bluekuja> ^^
[11:24] <bluekuja> lol
[11:24] <bluekuja> you had the same idea
[11:24] <bluekuja> and I posted a msg about it just before you
[11:24] <bluekuja> :D
[11:24] <asac> hmm ... i am sorry ... but you are young ... so plenty of time to find the right one
[11:24] <asac> hehe
[11:24] <asac> yeah funny
[11:25] <bluekuja> yeah
[11:25] <bluekuja> but I hope everything will return to its right placer
[11:25] <bluekuja> *place
[11:25] <asac> you will see ... there are times of dark ... and times that are bright
[11:26] <bluekuja> yeah true, you have tons of experience
[11:26] <asac> at some point you will wonder "why the hell is everything going so well"
[11:26] <bluekuja> lol
[11:26] <bluekuja> I hope it will happen
[11:27] <asac> bluekuja: school ... last year?
[11:28] <bluekuja> asac: should be last year
[11:28] <bluekuja> :/
[11:28] <bluekuja> got some problems this year
[11:28] <bluekuja> e.g I stopped to study
[11:29] <bluekuja> not really stopped
[11:29] <bluekuja> but I didnt want to spend hours on books
[11:29] <bluekuja> a great error
[11:30] <bluekuja> now I'm 18 and will have 2 more years of school
[11:30] <bluekuja> damn me
[11:32] <bluekuja> asac: you know, when you're young, you love to spend time with friends et all instead of books hehe :)
[11:34] <asac> yes i know
[11:35] <asac> i didn't do anything at home ... anyway i managed to be one of the best
[11:35] <asac> the trick is: use the time you are in school
[11:35] <asac> contribute to classes ...
[11:35] <bluekuja> yeah
[11:36] <bluekuja> that's important
[11:36] <asac> the time in school is wasted otherwise ... and chatting with friends during classes isn't really that great either
[11:36] <bluekuja> lol
[11:36] <bluekuja> chatting with friends is really common here
[11:36] <asac> better do a lot of things in school ... you won't need to do homework then
[11:37] <asac> bluekuja: its common everywhere
[11:37] <bluekuja> yup
[11:37] <asac> you can even do it ... but contribute to the classes ... listen ... try to find it interesting ... then learning is much easier
[11:38] <asac> its not easy ... but being able to find something interesting even though its boring is really a great advantage
[11:39] <asac> ok working on something ;)
[11:39] <bluekuja> asac: have fun :) I'm leaving for the sea
[11:39] <bluekuja> will be back on sunday
[11:40] <bluekuja> (sunday --> vacations end)
[11:40] <bluekuja> take care alex
[11:40] <bluekuja> ;)
[11:40] <gnomefreak> everything under code tag in your LP home page is borked (your == im sure everyone but atleast for me this happens)
[11:40] <bluekuja> gnomefreak, huh?
[11:41] <asac> bluekuja: yeah ... just one more thing about school: there is a way to be good in school but still be the coolest guy in your class
[11:41] <asac> :)
[11:41] <bluekuja> asac: :D
[11:41] <bluekuja> you're a pro man
[11:41] <bluekuja> :)
[11:41] <gnomefreak> bluekuja: go to your code tag in LP than click on one of the branches it will oops
[11:41] <asac> gnomefreak: they probably roll-out a new lp build
[11:42] <gnomefreak> asac: i just asked if it was known but yes that is most likely the cause
[11:42] <bluekuja> gnomefreak, yup
[11:42] <bluekuja> confirmed here
[11:43] <bluekuja> gnomefreak, is for build build 4759
[11:43] <bluekuja> out this night
[11:44] <bluekuja> 22-23 august
[11:44] <gnomefreak> huh?
[11:44] <bluekuja> with ppa support
[11:44] <bluekuja> et all
[11:44] <asac> bluekuja: where do you see that its out this night?
[11:44] <bluekuja> asac: was reading a friend's blog
[11:44] <bluekuja> who follows it
[11:44] <asac> url?
[11:44] <bluekuja> asac: is italian
[11:44] <bluekuja> :)
[11:44] <bluekuja> italian planet
[11:45] <bluekuja> http://planet.ubuntu-it.org/
[11:45] <bluekuja> first post
[11:45] <bluekuja> maybe rewell posted a mail
[11:46] <bluekuja> in launchpad beta testers
[11:46] <bluekuja> I forget to check mail
[11:46] <asac> gnomefreak: do you see personal package archives in mozillateam?
[11:46] <bluekuja> but I guess that's it
[11:46] <asac> gnomefreak: https://launchpad.net/~mozillateam
[11:46] <asac> i won't see it as i am not admin afaik
[11:47] <bluekuja> asac: who is dfarning?
[11:47] <gnomefreak> asac: yes its called active personal package archive
[11:47] <asac> bluekuja: dfarning became ubuntu-member and then just left and was never seen again
[11:47] <bluekuja> oh^^
[11:47] <asac> bluekuja: e.g. just to show you that things that scottk claims really happen
[11:48] <bluekuja> yeah
[11:48] <asac> gnomefreak: please set one up for us then
[11:48] <asac> cool ... on ~asac i can see it as well
[11:48] <asac> nice
[11:48] <bluekuja> asac: yeah
[11:49] <bluekuja> is for everyone
[11:49] <bluekuja> I tested it on beta
[11:49] <bluekuja> before
[11:49] <bluekuja> and it rocks
[11:49] <asac> yes ... i know ... wasn't sure if its all set up alrady
[11:49] <bluekuja> it builds packages for amd64 and i386
[11:49] <gnomefreak> hmmmmmmm
[11:50] <bluekuja> gnomefreak, ?
[11:50] <asac> i think the https://help.launchpad.net/PPAQuickStart is still outdated as it still refers to beta et al
[11:50] <gnomefreak> asac: what would sound good for an explaination for it
[11:51] <asac> mozillateam testing/preview and bleeding-edge packages :)
[11:51] <gnomefreak> k
[11:51] <bluekuja> asac: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/launchpad-users/2007-August/001998.html
[11:51] <asac> gnomefreak: we can change description later ;)
[11:52] <gnomefreak> https://launchpad.net/~mozillateam/+archive
[11:52] <asac> bluekuja: hmm so its still beta?
[11:52] <bluekuja> asac: yup
[11:52] <asac> gnomefreak: ok ... we just have to remember not to upload anything that we don't have a bzr branch
[11:52] <asac> because it might be wiped at some point
[11:53] <bluekuja> I think every team member
[11:53] <bluekuja> will be notified
[11:53] <bluekuja> with uploads
[11:53] <bluekuja> asac: you'll receive an ACCEPTED mail
[11:53] <asac> bluekuja: yeah ... lets see how it works out
[11:53] <bluekuja> as alwais
[11:53] <asac> gnomefreak: wanna try?
[11:53] <gnomefreak> yes i will
[11:53] <asac> push -trunk ?
[11:54] <bluekuja> :D
[11:54] <gnomefreak> asac: is it up to date
[11:54] <asac> Ubulette: is your branch in a decent state or shall we cherry-pick things to mozillateam branch and upload that to ppa ?
[11:54] <asac> Ubulette: trunk branch
[11:55] <asac> gnomefreak: let me see if Ubulette pushed something to mt branch
[11:55] <asac> yesterady
[11:55] <asac> oh code.lp.net is broken :)
[11:55] <gnomefreak> i cant see them
[11:55] <gnomefreak> asac: read above :)
[11:55] <asac> yeah... now i see the point ;)
[11:56] <asac>  gnomefreak: ok ... lets push something small to test
[11:56] <asac> https://code.launchpad.net/~fta/nspr/nspr.ubuntu.trunk
[11:57] <asac> gnomefreak: http://www.sofaraway.org/ubuntu/tarballs/ ... tarballs are there
[11:58] <gnomefreak> ok give me a few
[11:58] <asac> branching still works ... apparently only web-frontend is broken
[11:59] <bluekuja> asac: I think package removal is active now
[11:59] <bluekuja> e.g removing a package inside a ppa archive
[11:59] <asac> gnomefreak: maybe fix version ... append ~mt1 ... and target for gutsy for now
[11:59] <asac> bluekuja: yeah ... good to know ;)
[11:59] <bluekuja> yup
[11:59] <bluekuja> )
[11:59] <bluekuja> :)
[11:59] <asac> at least one can wipe broken things
[11:59] <gnomefreak> is this tarball set to use bzr-build?
[11:59] <bluekuja> yup
[11:59] <asac> yes
[11:59] <gnomefreak> damn
[12:00] <gnomefreak> k
[12:00] <bluekuja> :D
[12:00] <asac> just branch ... fix changelog (commit)
[12:00] <bluekuja> asac: how is weather there?
[12:00] <asac> 20 degree ... partly cloudy ... in short: semi-sucks
[12:00] <bluekuja> I went to cracow and bratislava some days ago
[12:00] <bluekuja> and was pretty good
[12:00] <bluekuja> here is bad
[12:01] <bluekuja> raining now
[12:01] <bluekuja> :/
[12:01] <asac> yeah ... cracow is poland nowadays
[12:01] <bluekuja> yup
[12:01] <asac> they are not that close to the see ... so they have dryer summer ... and colder winters
[12:01] <asac> s/see/sea/
[12:01] <bluekuja> I'll come to hamburg
[12:01] <bluekuja> so we can meet up
[12:01] <asac> bratislava is slovakai?
[12:01] <bluekuja> yup
[12:02] <asac> ok ... how is the city?
[12:02] <asac> worth visiting?
[12:02] <bluekuja> central part of the city is really nice (old castle et all), other parts sux (people have no money there)
[12:02] <asac> wanted to go to prague at some point ... but maybe thats already too mainstream and so i consider bratislava
[12:03] <asac> yeah ... just want to look at the old central city
[12:03] <bluekuja> that's nice
[12:03] <bluekuja> the
[12:03] <bluekuja> *then
[12:03] <bluekuja> :)
[12:03] <bluekuja> prague rocks too much
[12:03] <bluekuja> I went there 2 years ago
[12:03] <asac> well ... i think i will do both
[12:03] <asac> maybe one can stay longer in prague
[12:04] <asac> just have been there switching trains ...
[12:04] <bluekuja> asac: I was talking with a slovakian friend about money/month for works there
[12:04] <asac> yeah probably 500 EUR if you are lucky :)
[12:04] <bluekuja> 300 euroes
[12:04] <bluekuja> *euros
[12:04] <bluekuja> per month
[12:04] <asac> yes ... thats less
[12:05] <bluekuja> it's nothing
[12:05] <asac> however if you have 1k you can probably live pretty well there
[12:05] <asac> while you would die here
[12:05] <bluekuja> yup
[12:05] <bluekuja> anyway stay longer in prague
[12:05] <bluekuja> it's the best
[12:05] <asac> go to romania ... they have even less
[12:05] <bluekuja> yup
[12:05] <bluekuja> asac: girls there are the nicest ever
[12:06] <asac> right ;)
[12:06] <asac> though its dangerous that way :)
[12:06] <bluekuja> yup
[12:06] <gnomefreak> asac: Step 4: As there is no override system, you have to upload you package to the right/desired component. In debian/control, use this syntax Section: universe/devel.  does that mean i have to use universe/devel? or can i use anything
[12:06] <bluekuja> gnomefreak, use every section
[12:06] <bluekuja> you assume is good
[12:06] <bluekuja> e.g universe/sound
[12:06] <bluekuja> just use that syntax
[12:07] <asac> gnomefreak: no idea where nspr belongs to
[12:07] <gnomefreak> so it has to be universe?
[12:07] <asac> maybe look what apt-cache show shows you
[12:07] <asac> gnomefreak: probably
[12:07] <bluekuja> gnomefreak, yea
[12:07] <gnomefreak> asac: libs
[12:07] <asac> though unsure
[12:07] <gnomefreak> ok
[12:07] <bluekuja> it doesnt matter
[12:07] <asac> gnomefreak: you can try
[12:07] <asac> gnomefreak: but stick to universe for mozillateam packages
[12:07] <asac> i don't want to pretend that they are suppported ;)
[12:08] <asac> gnomefreak: what does howto say ... how to upload? dput ... dupload ?
[12:09] <bluekuja> asac: dput
[12:09] <bluekuja> or dupload
[12:09] <bluekuja> same
[12:09] <bluekuja> for ppa
[12:09] <gnomefreak> dput i think
[12:09] <asac> yes was just curious what is named in howto
[12:09] <bluekuja> got no name
[12:09] <bluekuja> they say "upload"
[12:09] <asac> ok
[12:09] <bluekuja> so you have to use your personal uploader
[12:09] <bluekuja> I guess
[12:09] <asac> right
[12:10] <asac> bluekuja: is upload through anonymous ftp ... or authenticated ssh/sftp ?
[12:11] <bluekuja> asac: mm
[12:11] <bluekuja> I really don't know
[12:11] <asac> bluekuja: how did you upload?
[12:11] <bluekuja> I added a new host on dput.cf
[12:11] <asac> (you told you tested on dogfood)
[12:11] <bluekuja> and pushed
[12:12] <asac> bluekuja: you still have the dput.cf entry?
[12:12] <bluekuja> yea
[12:12] <asac> i guess its anonymous ftp if you don't know though
[12:12] <bluekuja> [ppa] 
[12:12] <bluekuja> fqdn = upload.dogfood.launchpad.net
[12:12] <bluekuja> incoming = ~bluekuja/ubuntu/
[12:12] <bluekuja> login = anonymous
[12:12] <bluekuja> anonymous
[12:12] <bluekuja> yea
[12:12] <bluekuja> :)
[12:13] <bluekuja> asac: I'm leaving
[12:13] <asac> gnomefreak: good thing is that you can push with distribution "dapper" -> it will be build for dapper ...
[12:13] <bluekuja> yup
[12:13] <asac> bluekuja: ok bye
[12:13] <asac> cu
[12:13] <bluekuja> asac: cu on sunday!
[12:13] <bluekuja> have fun with ppa
[12:13] <bluekuja> :)
[12:14] <asac> gnomefreak: you can take the above dput entry and adapt it
[12:14] <gnomefreak> asac: UNRELEASED; change that to?
[12:14] <asac> e.g. s/bluekuja/mozillateam/
[12:14] <asac> gnomefreak: thats the distribution i was talking about
[12:14] <asac> so if the package is ment for gutsy ... use gutsy
[12:14] <asac> feisty ... feisty
[12:14] <gnomefreak> k
[12:14] <asac> and so on
[12:14] <asac> lets build nspr for gutsy though
[12:15] <asac> gnomefreak: append ~mt1 to the version ubulette choose
[12:15] <asac> then commit changelog with: debian/changelog: upload of version XXXX to gutsy ppa
[12:16] <asac> however lets wait for Ubulette to tell us if its ok to push to mt branch
[12:16] <asac> but i think it its
[12:17] <asac> gnomefreak: is there a way so we can recover what was in the old archive?
[12:17] <gnomefreak> that entry is wrong
[12:17] <gnomefreak> asac: no
[12:17] <asac> e.g. all the dapper packages we did once?
[12:17] <asac> damn
[12:17] <asac> not a big problem because so far 1.5.0.x security maintenance appears to work out well
[12:18] <asac> gnomefreak: which entry is wrong?
[12:18] <asac> 12:12 < bluekuja> [ppa] 
[12:18] <asac> 12:12 < bluekuja> fqdn = upload.dogfood.launchpad.net
[12:18] <asac> 12:12 < bluekuja> incoming = ~bluekuja/ubuntu/
[12:18] <asac> 12:12 < bluekuja> login = anonymous
[12:18] <asac> 12:12 < bluekuja> anonymous
[12:18] <asac> that one?
[12:18] <asac> ups
[12:18] <asac> its just
[12:18] <asac> 12:18 < asac> 12:12 < bluekuja> [ppa] 
[12:18] <asac> 12:18 < asac> 12:12 < bluekuja> fqdn = upload.dogfood.launchpad.net
[12:18] <asac> 12:18 < asac> 12:12 < bluekuja> incoming = ~bluekuja/ubuntu/
[12:18] <asac> 12:18 < asac> 12:12 < bluekuja> login = anonymous
[12:18] <asac> gnomefreak: but i think the server is different now
[12:19] <gnomefreak> it is that is why i said the entry is wrong
[12:19] <gnomefreak> im looking for correct info
[12:19] <asac> ok fine
[12:22] <gnomefreak> ppa.launchpad.net is where you upload
[12:22] <asac_the_2nd> ok thanks
[12:22] <gnomefreak> atleas that is how i see it
[12:22] <asac_the_2nd> yeah ... just try
[12:23] <asac_the_2nd> you probably cannot do anything seriously wrong
[12:23] <asac_the_2nd> otherwise its a bug in ppa
[12:25] <gnomefreak> asac: do you have command for bzr bd to sign and just build source?
[12:25] <asac_the_2nd> yes
[12:25] <asac_the_2nd> bzr bd --merge --builder='debuild -S -sa'
[12:25] <asac_the_2nd> (personally i use dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -S -sa'
[12:26] <asac_the_2nd> )
[12:26] <asac_the_2nd> but debuild should be better
[12:26] <asac_the_2nd> gnomefreak: if its not you in changelog you have to provide -k as well
[12:26] <asac_the_2nd> bzr bd --merge --builder='debuild -S -sa -kgnomefreak'
[12:27] <gnomefreak> bzr bd --merge --dont-purge --builder='dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -S -sa -k3C1C3C2A' .
[12:27] <asac_the_2nd> this bcm43xx wifi chip is stable as well ... the stress test is still running ... 6GB traffic through WPA2 ... just using network-manager
[12:28] <asac_the_2nd> gnomefreak: looks good
[12:28] <asac_the_2nd> gnomefreak: you can provide your email as well instead of your keyid
[12:28] <gnomefreak> we shall see brb need more tea
[12:28] <asac_the_2nd> basically if it shows up with
[12:28] <asac_the_2nd> gpg --list-keys gnomefreak
[12:28] <gnomefreak> oh wtf
[12:28] <asac_the_2nd> then you can just use gnomefreak
[12:28] <asac_the_2nd> i can just use -kasac@d
[12:28] <asac_the_2nd> or -k asac@debian.org
[12:29] <asac_the_2nd> as long as list-keys has a distinct match with what you provide as -k ... it should work
[12:29] <gnomefreak> it doesnt matter its already failed
[12:30] <asac_the_2nd> like?
[12:30] <gnomefreak> http://pastebin.mozilla.org/188439
[12:30] <gnomefreak> looks like tarball
[12:30] <gnomefreak> but i could be off
[12:31] <asac_the_2nd> yes ... be sure the tarball is in tarballs
[12:31] <asac_the_2nd> next to your branch
[12:31] <asac_the_2nd> did you download it?
[12:31] <asac_the_2nd> Looking for ../tarballs/nspr-trunk_4.7.0~cvs20070713.orig.tar.gz
[12:31] <asac_the_2nd> that should exist
[12:32] <asac_the_2nd> http://www.sofaraway.org/ubuntu/tarballs/
[12:32] <gnomefreak> oh i think i forgot the s on tarballs
[12:32] <asac_the_2nd> hehe
[12:33] <gnomefreak> nope
[12:33] <asac_the_2nd> well the tiny details that bite us day in day out
[12:33] <gnomefreak> thats fine
[12:33] <asac_the_2nd> if you are in branch
[12:33] <asac_the_2nd> does
[12:33] <asac_the_2nd> ls ../tarballs/nspr-trunk_4.7.0~cvs20070713.orig.tar.gz
[12:33] <asac_the_2nd> show up the tarball?
[12:34] <gnomefreak> i know i put it in there
[12:35] <gnomefreak> gnomefreak@GutsyGibbon:~/nspr/tarballs$ ls
[12:35] <gnomefreak> nspr-trunk_4.7.0~cvs20070713.orig.tar.gz
[12:35] <asac_the_2nd> what is nspr?
[12:35] <asac_the_2nd> just a dir ... or the branch?
[12:35] <gnomefreak> just a fir
[12:35] <gnomefreak> dir
[12:35] <gnomefreak> so im not building it in my home dir
[12:35] <asac_the_2nd> well .. try the ls in the branch
[12:35] <gnomefreak> ls in the branch?
[12:36] <asac_the_2nd> you cd in the branch
[12:36] <asac_the_2nd> then try ls as above
[12:36] <asac_the_2nd> (12:33:23 PM) asac_the_2nd: ls ../tarballs/nspr-trunk_4.7.0~cvs20070713.orig.tar.gz
[12:36] <gnomefreak> gnomefreak@GutsyGibbon:~/nspr/work/nspr.ubuntu.trunk$ ../tarballs/nspr-trunk_4.7.0~cvs20070713.orig.tar.gz
[12:36] <gnomefreak> bash: ../tarballs/nspr-trunk_4.7.0~cvs20070713.orig.tar.gz: No such file or directory
[12:36] <asac_the_2nd> yes
[12:36] <asac_the_2nd> you are too deep
[12:36] <asac_the_2nd> do you see that?
[12:36] <asac_the_2nd> work?
[12:36] <asac_the_2nd> you need the branch next to the tarballs dir
[12:36] <gnomefreak> ah ok
[12:36] <asac_the_2nd> ;)
[12:37] <jeromeg> hello
[12:37] <asac_the_2nd> hi
[12:38] <asac_the_2nd> jeromeg: how did it work out?
[12:38] <jeromeg> asac_the_2nd: i builded the package without the patch
[12:38] <asac_the_2nd> you just left without letting us know
[12:38] <gnomefreak> i put tarballs outside of work and it should go inside it
[12:38] <jeromeg> asac_the_2nd: yep I was borred cause I had forgot to debuild -S -sa ...
[12:38] <asac_the_2nd> gnomefreak: i have all my branches in ~/ubuntu_bzr/
[12:38] <jeromeg> asac_the_2nd: but the bug is still here without the patch
[12:39] <asac_the_2nd> and a tarballs like ~/ubuntu_bzr/tarballs/
[12:39] <asac_the_2nd> gnomefreak: so either move your branch one level up ... or move tarballs one level down (inside worK)
[12:39] <asac_the_2nd> jeromeg: strange
[12:39] <gnomefreak> i did already let me work on this other error now
[12:39] <asac_the_2nd> jeromeg: you still have the build-tree ?
[12:40] <jeromeg> asac_the_2nd: yep
[12:40] <asac_the_2nd> please go to build-tree/mozilla
[12:40] <asac_the_2nd> and post output of: quilt applied
[12:41] <jeromeg> in fact I don't know exactly what you mean by build-tree
[12:41] <jeromeg> I build with pbuilde
[12:41] <jeromeg> rr
[12:41] <asac_the_2nd> well is your pbuilder chroot wiped now?
[12:42] <asac_the_2nd> then you cannot look ... build tree is the source tree after the build has finished
[12:42] <jeromeg> I think it's automatically cleaned after each build
[12:42] <jeromeg> to keep it clean
[12:42] <asac_the_2nd> yes ... then we cannot look ;)
[12:42] <asac_the_2nd> for testing you should pass the option to not delete it after build
[12:42] <jeromeg> I've just commented the patch in debian/patches/series
[12:42] <asac_the_2nd> or don't buld in pbuilder at all
[12:42] <jeromeg> debuild -S -sa
[12:43] <jeromeg> and build
[12:43] <jeromeg> and test
[12:43] <asac_the_2nd> yes ... but i want to double check ... as the patch is almost certainly the problem
[12:43] <jeromeg> asac_the_2nd: I can give you the .deb or .dsc ?
[12:43] <asac_the_2nd> jeromeg ... the diff.gz
[12:44] <jeromeg> asac_the_2nd: ok I'll put everything on line
[12:44] <asac_the_2nd> jeromeg: i just need the diff.gz and the dsc+changes
[12:45] <asac_the_2nd> jeromeg: i think we forgot to drop bz343360-feed-flat-chrome-fix.patch
[12:46] <jeromeg> asac_the_2nd: http://vv.guelf.free.fr/ubuntu/firefox/
[12:46] <asac_the_2nd> sorry for that
[12:46] <asac_the_2nd> i was confused by my own confusing patch naming
[12:46] <jeromeg> I think I dropped this one
[12:46] <jeromeg> going to check
[12:47] <asac_the_2nd> +flat-chrome-fix.patch
[12:47] <asac_the_2nd> then thats the missing?
[12:48] <jeromeg> ok I should have dropped the two patches ?
[12:48] <asac_the_2nd> no idea ... i am testing now
[12:49] <jeromeg> I can do it if you want
[12:49] <jeromeg> I have some time
[12:50] <asac_the_2nd> yes maybe try to drop that as well
[12:50] <jeromeg> ok
[12:50] <jeromeg> i'm on it
[12:50] <asac_the_2nd> at best keep your pbuilder so you can later test more easily
[12:50] <asac_the_2nd> e.g. without a rebuild
[12:50] <jeromeg> ok
[12:51] <asac_the_2nd> jeromeg: while you build
[12:52] <asac_the_2nd> please clean error console in firefox (Tools -> Error Console)
[12:52] <asac_the_2nd> then reproduce the bug
[12:52] <asac_the_2nd> and see what shows up there
[12:52] <asac_the_2nd> please post it
[12:52] <jeromeg> here or to the bug report ?
[12:52] <asac_the_2nd> for now here
[12:53] <asac_the_2nd> jeromeg: in the error there should be a link to the source line that failed
[12:53] <asac_the_2nd> when you click on it you should get there
[12:53] <asac_the_2nd> maybe post that as well (e.g. -5 + 5 lines
[12:53] <jeromeg> ok
[12:53] <asac_the_2nd> but please to pastebin :)
[12:55] <jeromeg> yep
[01:00] <jeromeg> asac_the_2nd: I was thinking, after that do you want me to test with only the second patch dropped ?
[01:01] <asac_the_2nd> no ... both
[01:02] <gnomefreak> asac_the_2nd: how will dput decide to upload to PPA instead of revu. ~/.dput.cf isnt used for revu but ther eis a dput config that has revu as default
[01:02] <asac_the_2nd> actually i hope that the first patch can be applied in the end ... but to track down we can drop both
[01:02] <asac_the_2nd> dput NAME file.changes
[01:02] <asac_the_2nd> e.g. NAME == ppa
[01:02] <asac_the_2nd> or whatever you put i []  brackets in dput.cf
[01:04] <gnomefreak> Uploading to ubuntu (via ftp to upload.ubuntu.com):
[01:05] <gnomefreak> but i dont understand why it didnt default to revu since the main dput config file has revu as default
[01:06] <gnomefreak> well it says it was uploaded
[01:07] <gnomefreak> waiting for LP page to update with this info to see if it is correct
[01:07] <gnomefreak> thought it should have used ppa.launchpad.net instead of uload.ubuntu.com
[01:09] <asac_the_2nd> yeah
[01:10] <asac_the_2nd> shouldn't do any harm ... as your key is not in the MOTU/main keyring yet
[01:19] <jeromeg> asac_the_2nd: http://pastebin.com/m4f5568a9
[01:22] <asac_the_2nd> yes its still the same
[01:22] <asac_the_2nd> maybe dropping the other patch fixes it
[01:22] <asac_the_2nd> otherwise i would have to look more closeyly ... .e.g where is the shorthand 'Cc' defined?
[01:23] <asac_the_2nd> why isn't it defined for us
[01:25] <jeromeg> ok
[01:26] <jeromeg> can I do anything else ?
[01:26] <asac> wait till the build finishes for now
[01:26] <asac> if the build tree is still there we can take a closer look
[01:30] <jeromeg> ok
[01:38] <gnomefreak> i hate dput now
[01:39] <gnomefreak> asac: it seems with ppa.launch[ad.net when using dput it uploads it to ubuntu archive
[01:39] <gnomefreak> i asked in #launchpad waiting for answer on why
[01:41] <asac> wierd
[01:42] <gnomefreak> changing the ppa.lp.net to dogfood it tells me its already been uploaded
[01:42] <gnomefreak> * "upload.dogfood.launchpad.net" becomes "ppa.launchpad.net".
[01:43] <asac> gnomefreak: hey its hot ... its beta ... dont be pissed. Lets be happy that ppa will work soonish :) ... i am out for lunch though :) ... catching the a bit sun available atm.
[01:43] <gnomefreak> so i assumed it was correct
[01:43] <gnomefreak> asac: have fun
[01:43] <asac> gnomefreak: thanks let me know what #launchpad answers
[01:43] <asac> maybe its correct?
[01:43] <gnomefreak> dont know what i pasted was from lp list though
[01:48] <gnomefreak> asac: seems to be a bug
[02:13] <gnomefreak> asac: ok looks like its uploaded but LP hasnt refreshed the team ppa page nor the build page
[02:14] <gnomefreak> oh and once PPA is stable it will drop all packages that are uploaded atm
[02:14] <gnomefreak> i also have a personal PPA ;)
[02:17] <asac> yah
[02:22] <gnomefreak> ill be back a bit later have some things to attend to
[02:25] <jeromeg> asac : bad news, still doesn't work with the two patches dropped
[02:28] <asac> crazy
[02:29] <jeromeg> maybe the patch has to be modified ?
[02:31] <jeromeg> the packages/dsc/diff/changes are at the same adress
[02:36] <asac> jeromeg: no ... its completely open to me why this happens then
[02:37] <asac> please try something
[02:37] <asac> let me look it up first though
[02:38] <asac> jeromeg: where was your error paste?
[02:38] <asac> nm ... found it
[02:39] <asac> jeromeg: can you please open error console ... clear (so you see what happens)
[02:39] <asac> and then in the textbox put:
[02:39] <asac> Components.classes["@mozilla.org/browser/shell-service;1"] .getService(Components.interfaces.nsIShellService_MOZILLA_1_8_BRANCH)
[02:39] <asac> and hit return ... or press evaluate
[02:39] <asac> what happens?
[02:40] <asac> jeromeg: is it still the same error at all now?
[02:41] <jeromeg> I'm having a look
[02:42] <jeromeg> asac : same error message
[02:44] <asac> ok try above
[02:45] <jeromeg> an error message results
[02:45] <asac> you should get  [xpconnect wrapped nsIShell...] 
[02:45] <asac> as output
[02:45] <jeromeg> but it won't let me copy it
[02:45] <asac> are you sure you didn't miss a thing?
[02:46] <asac> e.g. a typo or something?
[02:46] <asac> let me try
[02:46] <jeromeg> doesn't seem to be a typo
[02:47] <asac_the_2nd> yes
[02:47] <asac_the_2nd> i see it as well
[02:47] <jeromeg> the error message ?
[02:48] <asac_the_2nd> yes ... that the shell service component doesn't exist somehow
[02:48] <jeromeg> it could explain the bug ?
[02:48] <asac_the_2nd> for sure
[02:49] <jeromeg> do you want me to do something else ,
[02:49] <jeromeg> ?
[02:50] <asac_the_2nd> no ... just post to the bug that the @mozilla.org/browser/shell-service;1 apparently is not resolvable and copy the statement above ... say that it fails
[02:51] <jeromeg> ok
[02:51] <jeromeg> and I add the first error message or no ?
[02:53] <asac_the_2nd> yes thats good as well
[02:54] <asac_the_2nd> jeromeg: when i get an idea whatelse it might be i will let you know
[02:55] <jeromeg> asac_the_2nd: ok thx for your help
[02:59] <jeromeg> asac_the_2nd: is that ok : bug 131743 ?
[02:59] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 131743 in liferea "liferea-add-feed does nothing in firefox" [Low,Invalid]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/131743
[03:06] <asac> jeromeg: "Thank you for your bug report. I can reproduce this, I'm marking this as triaged."
[03:06] <asac> --> triaged would mean that we already have an evaluation on how to fix the problem
[03:06] <asac> :)
[03:07] <jeromeg> asac : this was for the liferea bug
[03:07] <asac> interesting the triaged state was dropped
[03:08] <asac> stupid me ... got confused by new interface
[03:08] <jeromeg> asac : then I put liferea to Invalid as it was a problem with firefox, and added a firefox bug task
[03:08] <asac> right
[03:08] <jeromeg> asac : ah ok :)
[03:08] <asac> but liferea isn't invalid :)
[03:08] <asac> atm
[03:08] <asac> there is a second target (on top)
[03:08] <asac> fixed
[03:09] <asac> jeromeg: fix the upstream bug as well
[03:09] <asac> aeh invalidate i mean ;)
[03:09] <jeromeg> asac : yeah ok, as it had been invalidated upstream I thought it would be automatic
[03:09] <asac> ah
[03:09] <asac> no idea
[03:09] <asac> :)
[03:10] <asac> i did it explicitly now
[03:10] <asac> sorry for confusion ;)
[03:10] <jeromeg> no problem
[03:10] <jeromeg> I got to go now
[03:10] <jeromeg> see you
[03:10] <asac> cu
[03:10] <asac> stay tuned
[03:10] <asac> jeromeg: ^^
[03:10] <jeromeg> ok
[03:10] <asac> bye
[03:11] <jeromeg> byze
[03:11] <jeromeg> *bye
[03:12] <asac> gnomefreak: ppa still broken?
[03:12] <asac> i guess we have to wait until ppa dev returns
[03:12] <gnomefreak> asac: not sure i got reject email so im trying to fix it atm
[03:12] <asac> gnomefreak: what does reject tell you?
[03:12] <gnomefreak> asac: we are talking about it in #launchpad
[03:12] <asac> k
[03:13] <gnomefreak> asac: tells me cant find mozillateam in Lp but i think i have a clue
[03:13] <asac> i am not in there ... and i better keep it that way ... I already get soaked in too much discussions
[03:13] <asac> gnomefreak: clue ... good news ;)
[03:14] <gnomefreak> i will let you know if i fix it
[03:15] <asac> thanks ... i will not look in the channel for an hour or so ;) ... i have to get something done
[03:19] <gnomefreak> thats fine it may be a while before i know if it works anyway
[03:40] <gnomefreak> ok think i figured it out with a bit of help uploaded once again lets see how it goes :)
[03:52] <gnomefreak> asac: https://dogfood.launchpad.net/~mozillateam/+archive
[03:52] <gnomefreak> they are building binaries atm use view build records to see them
[03:58] <asac> gnomefreak: rock ... do the same for nss :)
[03:59] <gnomefreak> k but you know next week we will have to redo everything
[04:01] <gnomefreak> ok i need links for nss not for tar but for the bzr files
[04:01] <asac> look at ~fta code.lp.net
[04:01] <asac> there is nss-trunk
[04:02] <asac> gnomefreak: ok forgot that it is so soon
[04:02] <asac> @schedule berlin
[04:03] <ubotu> Schedule for Europe/Berlin: 23 Aug 17:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 24 Aug 14:00: MOTU Team | 27 Aug 17:00: Screencast Team | 28 Aug 17:00: Ubuntu Server Team meeting | 28 Aug 21:00: Technical Board | 29 Aug 22:00: Edubuntu
[06:27] <shirish> hey guys, what's up?
[06:48] <shirish> Ubulette: you up m8?
[07:42] <gnomefreak> asac_the_2n1: nss and nspr are complete what else did you want up therE?
[07:42] <asac> gnomefreak: well for now ... just those ... and maybe try a thunderbird 2.0 backport for feisty
[07:42] <asac> :)
[07:43] <gnomefreak> asac: one problem with that
[07:43] <asac> i am not sure if we had standalone nss/nspr in our preview archive though
[07:43] <gnomefreak> can we mix feisty and gutsy for same repo?
[07:43] <gnomefreak> we did
[07:44] <gnomefreak> if not we need to make another team for feisty
[07:52] <gnomefreak> i cant keep a frigging connection :(
[07:54] <gnomefreak> although what we could do is use my personal PPA for feisty, i can try to build the new nss nspr that we just did for gutsy on feisty(if possible) than build tbird2 off that unless you have better idea
[08:07] <asac> gnomefreak: no we can
[08:07] <asac> its not mixing
[08:07] <asac> the apt archive can deal with multiple distributions
[08:07] <asac> (at least from what i know)
[08:10] <gnomefreak> if all else fails ask :)
[08:11] <gnomefreak> ill let you know the outcome
[08:14] <Ubulette_> hmm, was i talking alone ?
[08:16] <gnomefreak> i didnt see you talking
[08:21] <gnomefreak> asac: ok tbird2 for feisty built on what version of nss nspr?
 hi
 oh, you experimented ppa
 great
 and with nss/nspr :)
 there's a flaw though...
 i need to rename both source pkgs as src endup in universe, and debs in main
[08:21] <Ubulette_> * Disconnected (Connection timed out).
[08:22] <Ubulette_> too bad ppa are limited to i386 and amd64 :(
[08:22] <gnomefreak> the names would need to be changed if officially released but not as of now
[08:22] <Ubulette> look at the ppa, it's already messed up
[08:23] <gnomefreak> Ubulette: it will be more important for next week since the uploads to PPA will be gone when PPA is released
[08:23] <gnomefreak> Ubulette: im looking at it what is wrong with it?
[08:24] <Ubulette> https://dogfood.launchpad.net/~mozillateam/+archive
[08:24] <gnomefreak> hmmmmm
[08:24] <gnomefreak> why did debs end up in main
[08:24] <Ubulette> there's main and universe
[08:25] <Ubulette> i guess it's because of the name
[08:25] <gnomefreak> i doubt it
[08:25] <gnomefreak> how would name do it
[08:26] <gnomefreak> i see it
[08:26] <gnomefreak> i forgot to add universe/libs to the binaries when i changed it for source
[08:26] <gnomefreak> Source: nspr-trunk
[08:26] <gnomefreak> Section: universe/libs
[08:26] <gnomefreak> ackage: libnspr4-0d
[08:26] <gnomefreak> Section: libs
[08:27] <Ubulette> oh
[08:27] <gnomefreak> fixing it now
[08:29] <asac_the_2n1> Hi Ubulette
[08:29] <Ubulette> asac_the_2n1, hi
[08:30] <asac_the_2n1> is the main / universe thing fixed now?
[08:30] <asac_the_2n1> i see them in universe
[08:32] <Ubulette> btw, mozilla bug 393281 is a wontfix
[08:33] <ubotu> Mozilla bug 393281 in HTML: Parser "blank page when visiting a page with a syntax error in it" [Normal,Resolved: wontfix]  http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=393281
[08:34] <gnomefreak> asac: it will bewhen im done
[08:34] <asac_the_2n1> Ubulette: yes ... appears to be non-trivial
[08:35] <Ubulette> don't really care about this page, it's broken anyway.
[08:36] <asac> :)
[08:36] <Ubulette> went there as it's the "Seine" river crossing paris that overflowed (?) every century
[08:36] <Ubulette> last time was in 1910.. and it's raining everyday
[08:37] <Ubulette> getting close to the next flood...
[08:43] <asac> well seine appears to be a really quite river then
[08:45] <Ubulette> at the moment, yes ;)
[08:46] <Ubulette> do you want me to push my nss/nspr trees to m-t ?
[08:50] <asac> Ubulette: have i really been such a moron to push those branches to firefox instead of nspr and nss projects?
[08:50] <asac> oh i haven't pushed them at alll ... yes please do
[08:50] <Ubulette> ok
[08:51] <Ubulette> what name should I give them ?
[08:51] <Ubulette> i renamed all my branches as it was a mess
[08:51] <asac> just ubuntu.trunk ?
[08:51] <asac> common practice is not to repeat the project name in the branch name
[08:52] <gnomefreak> this is getting old
[08:52] <gnomefreak> anyway nspr fix is uploading
[08:52] <asac> so nspr.ubuntu.trunk is redundant because its maintained in the nspr project anyway
[08:52] <Ubulette> would be nice to have project name as a 1st column on lp code.
[08:52] <asac> same for nss
[08:52] <asac> right ... for the way ubuntu uses it that might be better
[08:52] <Ubulette> I know that but read the whole page.. you'll end up with several ubuntu.trunk
[08:52] <gnomefreak> why do you come up with this stuff after i upload
[08:52] <asac> but lp is designed for upstream projects as well ... which probably use a more distinct name
[08:53] <asac> gnomefreak: he?
[08:54] <gnomefreak> name not being right for what i can tell (i was disconnected for the first half)
[08:54] <asac> gnomefreak: we could say that the upload today was an upload and deserves a changelog entry ... however, since it gets wiped anyway from ppa next week, we still have the option to just keep branch open without checkpointing the changelog entry
[08:54] <gnomefreak> correct
[08:54] <asac> gnomefreak: Ubulette wasn't here today when we did the upload
[08:54] <asac> gnomefreak: if you want your changelog entry in, you could push as well
[08:54] <asac> i am fine with any way ;)
[08:54] <gnomefreak> i had to add changelog entries
[08:55] <gnomefreak> that wasnt a choice i had
[08:55] <Ubulette> ?
[08:55] <asac> gnomefreak: you had to target the then topmost entry
[08:55] <asac> it was still set to UNRELEASED
[08:55] <Ubulette> why did had to add anything ?
[08:55] <Ubulette> oh
[08:55] <gnomefreak> i set them both to gutsy i thought
[08:55] <asac> yes you should have just documented all in the currentl UNRELEASED changelog entry ... which exists to fill it up during development
[08:56] <Ubulette> ppa is not supposed to end up in gutsy, right ?
[08:56] <asac> then on upload you close that dev cycle by committing it with distribution you upload to
[08:56] <asac> Ubulette: what do you mean?
[08:56] <Ubulette> it's just populating a personal repo
[08:56] <asac> yes
[08:56] <gnomefreak> asac: that would have worked with first upload but none after that
[08:56] <asac> gnomefreak: yes right
[08:56] <asac> or maybe it would have worked
[08:56] <gnomefreak> too late now that can be fixed next week
[08:56] <asac> you would have to remove the .upload file and hope that launchpad didn't see the last upload
[08:57] <gnomefreak> this week is pretty much play with it and see it work
[08:57] <asac> yes ... so letss just push Ubulette's branch ... then do it proper next week ;)
[08:57] <gnomefreak> right
[08:57] <asac> e.g. add all changelog info ... target, commit upload
[08:57] <asac> Ubulette: so just push your branches ;)
[08:58] <asac> to mt
[08:58] <Ubulette> i wanted to get rid of -trunk in src name (as it's not used in deb names)...
[08:58] <asac> code
[08:58] <asac> Ubulette: thats a bad idea
[08:58] <asac> Ubulette: it will finally prevent us to have two versions in the archive at the same time
[08:58] <Ubulette> current state is bad anyway
[08:58] <gnomefreak> current state isnt bad afaict
[08:58] <gnomefreak> what is bad about it
[08:59] <asac> yes ... in fact its pretty good ... you can just upgrade to new libnspr and ffox2 still work
[08:59] <Ubulette> section doesn't matter. better version will be prefered, no ?
[08:59] <asac> what is better?
[08:59] <asac> higher?
[08:59] <Ubulette> y
[08:59] <asac> then yes.
[09:00] <asac> until we upload to real universe this isn't a big problem ... isn't it?
[09:00] <Ubulette> right
[09:00] <asac> and then we can maybe trick apt by just using a lower version :)
[09:00] <gnomefreak> everything atm are little changes to make nothing big
[09:00] <asac> and making firefox-trunk/paradiso directly depend on that lib with =
[09:01] <Ubulette> hmm
[09:01] <asac> Ubulette: no idea if apt-get will downgrade the lib though when you explicitly install firefox-granparadiso
[09:01] <asac> but i thin it will
[09:01] <asac> only open point is how gnome-app-insatll will behave
[09:01] <asac> will it always remove paradiso?
[09:01] <asac> on each and every upgrade?
[09:01] <asac> thats an open point to figure out
[09:02] <gnomefreak> shit
[09:03] <gnomefreak> oh nevermind
[09:03] <Ubulette> I really think it's too early for next week.
[09:03] <gnomefreak> not really it works fairly well
[09:04] <asac> Ubulette: what is too early for next week? what happens next week?
[09:04] <Ubulette> so far, it seems ff2 and ff3 are happy, what about other stuff using those two ?
[09:04] <asac> Ubulette: new libnspr and libnss should not break abi as you know :)
[09:04] <asac> otherwise its upstream grave bug we should communicate
[09:04] <gnomefreak> fairly well == as expected
[09:04] <asac> gnomefreak: what did you test?
[09:05] <gnomefreak> asac: what did i test?
[09:05] <asac> 21:03 < gnomefreak> not really it works fairly well
[09:05] <asac> 21:04 < gnomefreak> fairly well == as expected
[09:05] <gnomefreak> PPA
[09:05] <asac> ah
[09:05] <Ubulette> though it was a tribe thing... maybe not
[09:05] <Ubulette> t
[09:05] <Ubulette> thought
[09:06] <asac> what has tribe todo with what we try in ppa ?
[09:06] <asac> or do you mean we should upload trunk packages for real next week already?
[09:08] <gnomefreak> they are uploaded waiting for build to start
[09:08] <Ubulette> ppa is okay as it's isolated anyway (now and later too). tribe is different, i think we're not ready for system nss/nspr in ff or ff-gp
[09:08] <Ubulette> needs to be tested 1st
[09:09] <Ubulette> as moz guys will probably get mad at us if we do that for ff2
[09:10] <Ubulette> -as+and
[09:11] <asac> Ubulette: right ... needs evaluation + discussion
[09:11] <asac> but in ppa we can do initial evaluation and see how it works out
[09:12] <asac> Ubulette: we use system nss/nspr for firefox2 already (but maybe i just misread)
[09:13] <Ubulette> yes but not cvstag ones
[09:13] <Ubulette> i mean, e use released ones
[09:13] <Ubulette> we
[09:13] <asac> right ... but universe is something unsupported and if users only get that when the explicitly want paradiso then this might be okay
[09:14] <asac> given that after removing paradiso all cleansup automatically
[09:14] <asac> but i see the point
[09:14] <asac> and i am at least as concerned about that as you are ;)
[09:14] <asac> (i hope)
[09:14] <Ubulette> :)
[09:21] <Ubulette> hmm, ftbs for trunk today.
[09:21] <Ubulette> hmm, ftbs for trunk today.
[09:21] <Ubulette> bz390451_master_password_lost.patch has been rejected. Seems committed, at last :)
[09:21] <Ubulette> I'll give it a try
[09:22] <gnomefreak> hmmmmm they dont even have a source tarball for 2.0
[09:24] <Ubulette> ?
[09:25] <gnomefreak> asac_the_2n1: why doesnt mozilla release source tarballs with nightlys?
[09:26] <Ubulette> I do :)
[09:27] <gnomefreak> how do you make a source tarball without the source
[09:27] <gnomefreak> need upstream source to make upstream source tarball
[09:27] <Ubulette> I fetch cvs
[09:27] <gnomefreak> ah that is one way
[09:44] <asac> yeah
[09:44] <asac> better don't look back
[09:44] <asac> you will run away in tears
[09:47] <Ubulette> asac, did you open a bug for installer_shouldnt_skip_strip_if_disable_strip_configured ?
[09:50] <asac> where?
[09:50] <asac> upstream?
[09:50] <asac> no i wanted to submit a good patch right upon opening the bug
[09:54] <Ubulette> feel free :)
[10:21] <shirish> Ubulette: any update on today's build & do you guys have that PPA now?
[10:22] <Ubulette> hi
 hmm, ftbs for trunk today.
 bz390451_master_password_lost.patch has been rejected. Seems committed, at last :)
[10:22] <Ubulette> rebuilding now
[10:22] <Ubulette> lol
[10:51] <shirish> asac, asac_the_2n1 Ubulette anybody has any idea when today's build would be out?
[10:52] <Ubulette> 2nd try:
 <Ubulette> hmm, ftbs for trunk today.
 <Ubulette> bz390451_master_password_lost.patch has been rejected. Seems committed, at last :)
 rebuilding now
[10:52] <Ubulette> should be done soon
[10:53] <Ubulette> shirish, got my answer for pidgin ?
[10:53] <shirish> Ubulette, yup about the monotone, I had played with monotone
[10:54] <shirish> the only problem or stuff is you need to make a database before, a little bit of groundwork, not too hard but also not so easy for noobs
[10:54] <shirish> in that respect svn is very noob-friendly.
[10:56] <Ubulette> as i said, it's not something my bot is ready for. maybe later
[10:56] <Ubulette> I'll think about it but if it's only for 1 project, I'm not sure
[10:57] <Ubulette> btw, I've modify my mini dists, ddebs are now fully integrated
[10:57] <Ubulette> -y+ied
[10:57] <shirish> Ubulette,: understood, would be looking forward for that, it would be very nice if it also understood montone :)
[10:57] <shirish> ah, cool
[10:58] <Ubulette> trunk built.. pushing to repo
[10:58] <Ubulette> 3.0a8pre+cvs20070823t1203+bbot
[10:59] <shirish> Ubulette: thanx
[11:01] <Ubulette> done in 3562 sec
[11:01] <Ubulette> woow. 1h
[11:03] <shirish> wtf adium is not in the repos, isn't it one of the good ones (multi-protocol IM) apart from pidgin?
[11:04] <shirish> ubotu Adium
[11:04] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about adium - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:08] <shirish> bah, me bad it seems Adium is a good IM but only for Macs :(
[11:08] <Ubulette> lol
[11:09] <shirish> http://www.adiumx.com/blog/2007/05/pidgin-200.php
[11:10] <shirish> there is also centericq but the interface isn't appealing at all, guess have to struggle on pidgin in reduced functionality way as well as on xchat
[11:11] <Ubulette> i kind of like xchat
[11:11] <bnovc> looking for an irc or aim client
[11:12] <shirish> bnovc: looking for multi-protocol IM client, like pidgin, pidgin has been behaving badly after some updates
[11:12] <bnovc> shirish: i see. what kind of problems in pidgin?
[11:12] <shirish> bnovc, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pidgin/+bug/134347
[11:12] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 134347 in pidgin "[Gutsy]  pidgin doesn't shutdown gracefully" [Undecided,New] 
[11:13] <shirish> as well as https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pidgin/+bug/134366 mores serious than the other.
[11:13] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 134366 in pidgin "[Gutsy]  Pidgin freezes" [Undecided,New] 
[11:13] <asac> shirish: why would one shutdown pidgin?
[11:13] <asac> ok
[11:13] <shirish> asac: shutdown as in quit I meant
[11:13] <asac> for me it works well
[11:13] <asac> should be protocol specific
[11:13] <asac> have you tried to not use some protocols to see?
[11:13] <asac> or maybe you have some spurious extension enabled?
[11:14] <shirish> asac: no all by the book, I did do pidgin-dbgsym maybe that could be the reason?
[11:14] <bnovc> pidgin works really well for me
[11:14] <bnovc> asac: sorry i kind of disappeared after asking about helping earlier this week, got more busy than i expected but will try to contribute something this wkend
[11:15] <asac> no  problem :)
[11:15] <asac> do as much as you can do
[11:15] <shirish> does installing -dbgsym make the application more heavier (in a sense they get called all the time) or only when one uses gdb or something like that?
[11:15] <asac> not more ... otherwise your contribution is more likely to not last long :)
[11:16] <shirish> asac: any ideas?
[11:16] <asac> ... howevr .. some contribution is needed to let you feel the fun of all this ;)
[11:17] <asac> shirish: only when you run with debug
[11:17] <asac> shirish: its not that the mozillla is build with --enable-debug ... which would make things slower as more checks are performed and debug output is dumped to console
[11:17] <asac> but with just dbgsym installed ... shouldn't make a difference
[11:18] <shirish> asac: then have no idea, both these bugs were happening before but as a one off thing, but now consistently.  :(
[11:19] <asac> maybe just coincident
[11:19] <shirish> asac: the pidgin --d I did deliberately so could catch whatever was happening, after it didn't respond 3-4 times in a same/similar fashion. Then used -d flag/swithc
[11:19] <shirish> switch
[11:20] <asac> i really have no idea about pidgin
[11:20] <asac> only thing i can say is that you should try to disable all extensions you use
[11:20] <asac> and if that doesn't help try t disable accounts until you find the problem
[11:21] <shirish> asac: will try, maybe i can isolate the problem area, but not right now, its 3 a.m. maybe tomorrow morning with a strong cup of chai/tea ;)
[11:21] <shirish> take care everybody, asac Ubulette bnovc
[12:29] <asac_the_2n1> Ubulette: still awake?
[12:30] <asac_the_2n1> asac_the_2n1: just wondered if you managed to do a simple make install with trunk xulrunner ... so we can evaluate upstreams intentions
[12:42] <Ubulette> with trunk ? not yet
[12:50] <asac_the_2n1> ok
[01:11] <Ubulette> in fact, i can as i've already prepared both the chroot and orig.tgz
[01:14] <asac> Ubulette: just take a glance how the structure produced by current upstream make install looks like ... so not even a to really package it ;)