[01:20] ok i am out for today ... good night! === asac_the_2nd [n=asac@d112132.adsl.hansenet.de] has left #ubuntu-mozillateam [] === tonyyarusso [n=anthony@ubuntu/member/tonyyarusso] has joined #ubuntu-mozillateam === gnomefreak [n=gnomefre@ubuntu/member/gnomefreak] has joined #ubuntu-mozillateam === JenFraggle [n=jen@91.84.43.217] has joined #ubuntu-mozillateam === Paddy_EIRE [n=patrick@89.240.243.205] has joined #ubuntu-mozillateam [10:26] damn ... getting up at 7 to visit public offices isn't fun if you went to bed at 3am :) === bluekuja [n=andrea@ubuntu/member/bluekuja] has joined #ubuntu-mozillateam [11:01] asac: :) [11:01] hey [11:02] how is life going around here? [11:02] did the police take your drivers license :) [11:02] ? [11:02] lol [11:02] for me things are fine. [11:03] I was lucky they didnt find me [11:03] :P [11:03] anyway everything went fine [11:04] asac: did you see this mail: [11:04] https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/motu-council/2007-August/000314.html [11:04] this make me crazy === tonyyarusso [n=anthony@ubuntu/member/tonyyarusso] has joined #ubuntu-mozillateam [11:05] asac: usually ppl on august leave for vacation [11:05] so does not do any activity [11:05] but maybe it's not clear for everyone [11:06] well ... he cannot know [11:06] so he shouldnt talk [11:06] we usually don't do much holiday [11:06] yeah, because you're one of the project managers [11:07] and you follows mozilla directly [11:07] i don't see anything offending in it [11:07] really [11:07] its just that so many people vanish and just stop [11:07] that its a valid question to ask [11:07] in my opinion he loves to talk too much [11:08] I never put any word in others stuff [11:08] keybuk is a reasonable person ... everybody has his weaknes though [11:08] I speak only for me and for open discussions [11:08] asac: he was scottk [11:08] ah [11:08] ok [11:08] sorry misread [11:09] asac: he did it already with: [11:09] well just answer and get over it ... its a public mailing list so nobody can really stop others from posting things [11:10] https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/motu-council/2007-July/000240.html [11:10] and [11:10] https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/motu-council/2007-July/000244.html [11:10] yeah ... but he has no word ... some people just want to be over-critical [11:11] yeah, but you know how I'm done [11:11] I get crazy when I see stuff like that [11:11] you cannot prevent technical hybris people to be in a project [11:11] true thing [11:11] think about this as a challenge ... you really have to learn how real life is [11:11] ye, nice hint [11:12] I hope this will end up in a good way [11:12] too many noise [11:12] there are always people that are assholes or want to piss at you ... the average in ubuntu is on top of the world though [11:12] yes ... i cannot tell why this noise happened ... i think its because you peered with a lot of people in the past [11:13] yea [11:13] only because a +0.5 [11:13] and if peer with lots of people chances are high that you bump into someone who has an attitude that isn't really what you want [11:14] yeah ... which wasn't good as well ... i mean ... i think matt (or someone) asked to give clear + 1 or -1 ... and then he answered well "i give 0.5" [11:14] yea [11:14] a bit childish ... either he should stand up to his opinion and give a -1 [11:14] or a +1 [11:14] in fact [11:14] he had no motivation for a -1 [11:14] he asked me in pm [11:15] maybe he hat ... but didn't have the guts to publicly state his opinion [11:15] to have lionel's mail [11:15] s/hat/had/ [11:15] with his response, lionel sent a +1 [11:15] so he had no more chance [11:15] but he gave a +0.5 after 1 month of inactivity [11:17] I don't more mind about this really [11:18] i would just answer to that mail with "i was on vacation" ... and get back to normal life [11:19] a friend sent a mail already [11:19] :) [11:19] when I was away [11:20] then its already clarified ... no need to put time into answering his email [11:20] just ignore it then [11:20] yea [11:21] asac: I will finish vacations on this sunday [11:21] then I restart school [11:21] and I will have really less time to be here [11:21] but I guess one hour per day [11:22] thats good [11:22] yea, at least I can check/answer mails [11:22] fix bugs on my packages [11:23] and nothing more [11:23] how is your new relationship going? [11:24] asac: is not going good with the new gf [11:24] ^^ [11:24] lol [11:24] you had the same idea [11:24] and I posted a msg about it just before you [11:24] :D [11:24] hmm ... i am sorry ... but you are young ... so plenty of time to find the right one [11:24] hehe [11:24] yeah funny [11:25] yeah [11:25] but I hope everything will return to its right placer [11:25] *place [11:25] you will see ... there are times of dark ... and times that are bright [11:26] yeah true, you have tons of experience [11:26] at some point you will wonder "why the hell is everything going so well" [11:26] lol [11:26] I hope it will happen [11:27] bluekuja: school ... last year? [11:28] asac: should be last year [11:28] :/ [11:28] got some problems this year [11:28] e.g I stopped to study [11:29] not really stopped [11:29] but I didnt want to spend hours on books [11:29] a great error [11:30] now I'm 18 and will have 2 more years of school [11:30] damn me [11:32] asac: you know, when you're young, you love to spend time with friends et all instead of books hehe :) [11:34] yes i know [11:35] i didn't do anything at home ... anyway i managed to be one of the best [11:35] the trick is: use the time you are in school [11:35] contribute to classes ... [11:35] yeah [11:36] that's important [11:36] the time in school is wasted otherwise ... and chatting with friends during classes isn't really that great either [11:36] lol [11:36] chatting with friends is really common here [11:36] better do a lot of things in school ... you won't need to do homework then [11:37] bluekuja: its common everywhere [11:37] yup [11:37] you can even do it ... but contribute to the classes ... listen ... try to find it interesting ... then learning is much easier [11:38] its not easy ... but being able to find something interesting even though its boring is really a great advantage [11:39] ok working on something ;) [11:39] asac: have fun :) I'm leaving for the sea [11:39] will be back on sunday [11:40] (sunday --> vacations end) [11:40] take care alex [11:40] ;) [11:40] everything under code tag in your LP home page is borked (your == im sure everyone but atleast for me this happens) [11:40] gnomefreak, huh? [11:41] bluekuja: yeah ... just one more thing about school: there is a way to be good in school but still be the coolest guy in your class [11:41] :) [11:41] asac: :D [11:41] you're a pro man [11:41] :) [11:41] bluekuja: go to your code tag in LP than click on one of the branches it will oops [11:41] gnomefreak: they probably roll-out a new lp build [11:42] asac: i just asked if it was known but yes that is most likely the cause [11:42] gnomefreak, yup [11:42] confirmed here [11:43] gnomefreak, is for build build 4759 [11:43] out this night [11:44] 22-23 august [11:44] huh? [11:44] with ppa support [11:44] et all [11:44] bluekuja: where do you see that its out this night? [11:44] asac: was reading a friend's blog [11:44] who follows it [11:44] url? [11:44] asac: is italian [11:44] :) [11:44] italian planet [11:45] http://planet.ubuntu-it.org/ [11:45] first post [11:45] maybe rewell posted a mail [11:46] in launchpad beta testers [11:46] I forget to check mail [11:46] gnomefreak: do you see personal package archives in mozillateam? [11:46] but I guess that's it [11:46] gnomefreak: https://launchpad.net/~mozillateam [11:46] i won't see it as i am not admin afaik [11:47] asac: who is dfarning? [11:47] asac: yes its called active personal package archive [11:47] bluekuja: dfarning became ubuntu-member and then just left and was never seen again [11:47] oh^^ [11:47] bluekuja: e.g. just to show you that things that scottk claims really happen [11:48] yeah [11:48] gnomefreak: please set one up for us then [11:48] cool ... on ~asac i can see it as well [11:48] nice [11:48] asac: yeah [11:49] is for everyone [11:49] I tested it on beta [11:49] before [11:49] and it rocks [11:49] yes ... i know ... wasn't sure if its all set up alrady [11:49] it builds packages for amd64 and i386 [11:49] hmmmmmmm [11:50] gnomefreak, ? [11:50] i think the https://help.launchpad.net/PPAQuickStart is still outdated as it still refers to beta et al [11:50] asac: what would sound good for an explaination for it [11:51] mozillateam testing/preview and bleeding-edge packages :) [11:51] k [11:51] asac: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/launchpad-users/2007-August/001998.html [11:51] gnomefreak: we can change description later ;) [11:52] https://launchpad.net/~mozillateam/+archive [11:52] bluekuja: hmm so its still beta? [11:52] asac: yup [11:52] gnomefreak: ok ... we just have to remember not to upload anything that we don't have a bzr branch [11:52] because it might be wiped at some point [11:53] I think every team member [11:53] will be notified [11:53] with uploads [11:53] asac: you'll receive an ACCEPTED mail [11:53] bluekuja: yeah ... lets see how it works out [11:53] as alwais [11:53] gnomefreak: wanna try? [11:53] yes i will [11:53] push -trunk ? [11:54] :D [11:54] asac: is it up to date [11:54] Ubulette: is your branch in a decent state or shall we cherry-pick things to mozillateam branch and upload that to ppa ? [11:54] Ubulette: trunk branch [11:55] gnomefreak: let me see if Ubulette pushed something to mt branch [11:55] yesterady [11:55] oh code.lp.net is broken :) [11:55] i cant see them [11:55] asac: read above :) [11:55] yeah... now i see the point ;) [11:56] gnomefreak: ok ... lets push something small to test [11:56] https://code.launchpad.net/~fta/nspr/nspr.ubuntu.trunk [11:57] gnomefreak: http://www.sofaraway.org/ubuntu/tarballs/ ... tarballs are there [11:58] ok give me a few [11:58] branching still works ... apparently only web-frontend is broken [11:59] asac: I think package removal is active now [11:59] e.g removing a package inside a ppa archive [11:59] gnomefreak: maybe fix version ... append ~mt1 ... and target for gutsy for now [11:59] bluekuja: yeah ... good to know ;) [11:59] yup [11:59] ) [11:59] :) [11:59] at least one can wipe broken things [11:59] is this tarball set to use bzr-build? [11:59] yup [11:59] yes [11:59] damn [12:00] k [12:00] :D [12:00] just branch ... fix changelog (commit) [12:00] asac: how is weather there? [12:00] 20 degree ... partly cloudy ... in short: semi-sucks [12:00] I went to cracow and bratislava some days ago [12:00] and was pretty good [12:00] here is bad [12:01] raining now [12:01] :/ [12:01] yeah ... cracow is poland nowadays [12:01] yup [12:01] they are not that close to the see ... so they have dryer summer ... and colder winters [12:01] s/see/sea/ [12:01] I'll come to hamburg [12:01] so we can meet up [12:01] bratislava is slovakai? [12:01] yup [12:02] ok ... how is the city? [12:02] worth visiting? [12:02] central part of the city is really nice (old castle et all), other parts sux (people have no money there) [12:02] wanted to go to prague at some point ... but maybe thats already too mainstream and so i consider bratislava [12:03] yeah ... just want to look at the old central city [12:03] that's nice [12:03] the [12:03] *then [12:03] :) [12:03] prague rocks too much [12:03] I went there 2 years ago [12:03] well ... i think i will do both [12:03] maybe one can stay longer in prague [12:04] just have been there switching trains ... [12:04] asac: I was talking with a slovakian friend about money/month for works there [12:04] yeah probably 500 EUR if you are lucky :) [12:04] 300 euroes [12:04] *euros [12:04] per month [12:04] yes ... thats less [12:05] it's nothing [12:05] however if you have 1k you can probably live pretty well there [12:05] while you would die here [12:05] yup [12:05] anyway stay longer in prague [12:05] it's the best [12:05] go to romania ... they have even less [12:05] yup [12:05] asac: girls there are the nicest ever [12:06] right ;) [12:06] though its dangerous that way :) [12:06] yup [12:06] asac: Step 4: As there is no override system, you have to upload you package to the right/desired component. In debian/control, use this syntax Section: universe/devel. does that mean i have to use universe/devel? or can i use anything [12:06] gnomefreak, use every section [12:06] you assume is good [12:06] e.g universe/sound [12:06] just use that syntax [12:07] gnomefreak: no idea where nspr belongs to [12:07] so it has to be universe? [12:07] maybe look what apt-cache show shows you [12:07] gnomefreak: probably [12:07] gnomefreak, yea [12:07] asac: libs [12:07] though unsure [12:07] ok [12:07] it doesnt matter [12:07] gnomefreak: you can try [12:07] gnomefreak: but stick to universe for mozillateam packages [12:07] i don't want to pretend that they are suppported ;) [12:08] gnomefreak: what does howto say ... how to upload? dput ... dupload ? [12:09] asac: dput [12:09] or dupload [12:09] same [12:09] for ppa [12:09] dput i think [12:09] yes was just curious what is named in howto [12:09] got no name [12:09] they say "upload" [12:09] ok [12:09] so you have to use your personal uploader [12:09] I guess [12:09] right [12:10] bluekuja: is upload through anonymous ftp ... or authenticated ssh/sftp ? [12:11] asac: mm [12:11] I really don't know [12:11] bluekuja: how did you upload? [12:11] I added a new host on dput.cf [12:11] (you told you tested on dogfood) [12:11] and pushed [12:12] bluekuja: you still have the dput.cf entry? [12:12] yea [12:12] i guess its anonymous ftp if you don't know though [12:12] [ppa] [12:12] fqdn = upload.dogfood.launchpad.net [12:12] incoming = ~bluekuja/ubuntu/ [12:12] login = anonymous [12:12] anonymous [12:12] yea [12:12] :) [12:13] asac: I'm leaving [12:13] gnomefreak: good thing is that you can push with distribution "dapper" -> it will be build for dapper ... [12:13] yup [12:13] bluekuja: ok bye [12:13] cu [12:13] asac: cu on sunday! [12:13] have fun with ppa [12:13] :) [12:14] gnomefreak: you can take the above dput entry and adapt it [12:14] asac: UNRELEASED; change that to? [12:14] e.g. s/bluekuja/mozillateam/ [12:14] gnomefreak: thats the distribution i was talking about [12:14] so if the package is ment for gutsy ... use gutsy [12:14] feisty ... feisty [12:14] k [12:14] and so on [12:14] lets build nspr for gutsy though [12:15] gnomefreak: append ~mt1 to the version ubulette choose [12:15] then commit changelog with: debian/changelog: upload of version XXXX to gutsy ppa [12:16] however lets wait for Ubulette to tell us if its ok to push to mt branch [12:16] but i think it its [12:17] gnomefreak: is there a way so we can recover what was in the old archive? [12:17] that entry is wrong [12:17] asac: no [12:17] e.g. all the dapper packages we did once? [12:17] damn [12:17] not a big problem because so far 1.5.0.x security maintenance appears to work out well [12:18] gnomefreak: which entry is wrong? [12:18] 12:12 < bluekuja> [ppa] [12:18] 12:12 < bluekuja> fqdn = upload.dogfood.launchpad.net [12:18] 12:12 < bluekuja> incoming = ~bluekuja/ubuntu/ [12:18] 12:12 < bluekuja> login = anonymous [12:18] 12:12 < bluekuja> anonymous [12:18] that one? [12:18] ups [12:18] its just [12:18] 12:18 < asac> 12:12 < bluekuja> [ppa] [12:18] 12:18 < asac> 12:12 < bluekuja> fqdn = upload.dogfood.launchpad.net [12:18] 12:18 < asac> 12:12 < bluekuja> incoming = ~bluekuja/ubuntu/ [12:18] 12:18 < asac> 12:12 < bluekuja> login = anonymous [12:18] gnomefreak: but i think the server is different now [12:19] it is that is why i said the entry is wrong [12:19] im looking for correct info [12:19] ok fine === asac_the_2nd [n=asac@80.171.112.132] has joined #ubuntu-mozillateam [12:22] ppa.launchpad.net is where you upload [12:22] ok thanks [12:22] atleas that is how i see it [12:22] yeah ... just try [12:23] you probably cannot do anything seriously wrong [12:23] otherwise its a bug in ppa [12:25] asac: do you have command for bzr bd to sign and just build source? [12:25] yes [12:25] bzr bd --merge --builder='debuild -S -sa' [12:25] (personally i use dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -S -sa' [12:26] ) [12:26] but debuild should be better [12:26] gnomefreak: if its not you in changelog you have to provide -k as well [12:26] bzr bd --merge --builder='debuild -S -sa -kgnomefreak' [12:27] bzr bd --merge --dont-purge --builder='dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -S -sa -k3C1C3C2A' . [12:27] this bcm43xx wifi chip is stable as well ... the stress test is still running ... 6GB traffic through WPA2 ... just using network-manager [12:28] gnomefreak: looks good [12:28] gnomefreak: you can provide your email as well instead of your keyid [12:28] we shall see brb need more tea [12:28] basically if it shows up with [12:28] gpg --list-keys gnomefreak [12:28] oh wtf [12:28] then you can just use gnomefreak [12:28] i can just use -kasac@d [12:28] or -k asac@debian.org [12:29] as long as list-keys has a distinct match with what you provide as -k ... it should work [12:29] it doesnt matter its already failed [12:30] like? [12:30]