[12:30] <ubotu> New bug: #134153 in xorg (main) "[gutsy]  xorg failed to start on an Intel 945 using Kubuntu desktop CD daily build 20070822.1" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/134153
[01:47] <bryce> tepsipakki: possibly your xorg-server upload will take care of this vesa issue
[05:37] <ubotu> New bug: #133214 in xserver-xorg-driver-ati (main) "doesn't load the gnome desktop" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/133214
[06:05] <tepsipakki> bryce: it will
[06:06] <kylem> need sponsoring?
[06:07] <tepsipakki> kylem: no, I can upload it :)
[06:08] <tepsipakki> bryce: having them both.. maybe a better idea to keep airlied busy for the next two months :)
[06:09] <kylem> tepsipakki, ah. good.
[06:26] <tepsipakki> bryce: did you notice that ati-6.6.193 is a dead end, and they decided to merge randr-1.2 -branch in it, and released 6.7.191? :)
[06:26] <tepsipakki> so, we need that
[06:54] <bryce> yup
[06:54] <bryce> I talked with them about it earlier today
[06:54] <tepsipakki> ok, I didn't read the backlogs :)
[06:54] <bryce> they were pondering merging that branch to main and I jumped in and said if they did, we'd be up for putting it in gutsy :-)
[06:55] <tepsipakki> ah, right :)
[06:55] <tepsipakki> so, how do we proceed? I can do the package and upload
[06:56] <tepsipakki> and put it somewhere for people to test before it gets in
[06:56] <bryce> yes
[06:56] <tepsipakki> or maybe not in that order, but anyway
[06:56] <bryce> right
[06:56] <bryce> get some debs built and then post them to the X Test forum so the guys there can test it
[06:57] <tepsipakki> hmm, need to set up an account then :)
[06:57] <bryce> there's two ati users there that have been quite thorough in their testing
[06:57] <bryce> yup :-)
[06:57] <tepsipakki> ah, good
[06:57] <bryce> we probably also ask at least half a dozen of the recent ati bug reporters to try it out as well
[06:58] <bryce> I figure if we can point to a couple bugs that the new release has proven to fix, then it'll make justifying the change easier
[06:58] <tepsipakki> there should be loads of them
[06:59] <tepsipakki> I think that saying "upstream won't support that code" is a strong argument :)
[06:59] <tepsipakki> all that it takes
[07:00] <bryce> btw, I also have continued some work on identifying xserver backports - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Fixes_to_Backport
[07:00] <tepsipakki> airlied just said that they'll have pretty much all of 1.4 instead input-hotplug for F8 :)
[07:00] <bryce> yeah hopefully so.  I'm keeping an eye on how the -avivo uvf exception goes
[07:01] <bryce> I'm looking forward to ubuntu having a much more stable X than fedora ;-)
[07:02] <tepsipakki> a respectible goal ;)
[07:02] <tepsipakki> -table, duh
[07:02] <bryce> ok, bbl (movie time)
[07:03] <tepsipakki> and I should be dropping the kids for daycare
[07:03] <tepsipakki> then work
[07:03] <tepsipakki> later ->
[07:59] <tepsipakki> bryce: bug 103945 is a dupe of bug 89853 :)
[07:59] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 103945 in xorg "desktop cd fails to start gdm with hp nc6400 (widescreen, ati-based laptop)" [High,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/103945
[07:59] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 89853 in xorg-server "[regression]  7.2 broke vesa: "No matching modes found"" [Unknown,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/89853
[07:59] <tepsipakki> but they'll both get fixed, so no worries
[08:01] <tepsipakki> oh, maybe it's not a direct dupe after all..
[08:59] <bryce> tepsipakki: ah good to know
[09:33] <tepsipakki> oh, debian already has 6.7.191-1 :)
[09:34] <tepsipakki> that was quick
[09:36] <bryce> yay
[09:36] <bryce> let's get it in :-)
[09:41] <tepsipakki> let's
[09:42] <bryce> well, I should say - let's get some .debs of it posted for testing... *then* let's get it in.  ;-)
[09:44] <tepsipakki> sounds better. I'll build it here
[09:47] <bryce> tepsipakki: also, could you post .debs of your xorg-server for the folks in the forum to test?
[09:48] <bryce> heya seb128
[09:48] <tepsipakki> bryce: or just upload it?
[09:48] <tepsipakki> it's few weeks until the next freeze
[09:48] <seb128> hi bryce
[09:48] <tepsipakki> hey seb128, you have an ati board right?
[09:48] <seb128> tepsipakki: indeed
[09:48] <seb128> radeon 9600 pro
[09:49] <tepsipakki> seb128: right, you are one of the lucky testers for 6.7.191 :)
[09:49] <bryce> hmm, with things like xorg, xorg-server, and major drivers, I typically prefer to get independent verification before putting in for an upload
[09:49] <tepsipakki> bryce: ok, that's fine
[09:49] <bryce> since this is going to be pulling in a number of patches, I'd really like to see one or two users verify it 
[09:50] <tepsipakki> uh, I need to reinstall the box first, it'll take a while
[09:50] <tepsipakki> since it didn't netboot yesterday
[09:50] <tepsipakki> but hang on
[09:50] <tepsipakki> (some depends-problems with kernel)
[09:51] <bryce> hmm, I think I can build a .deb here locally if you're having some troubles
[09:51] <tepsipakki> bryce: yeah, go ahead and build the ati
[09:51] <tepsipakki> oh, new d-i image
[09:51] <bryce> oh whoops, I thought we were talking about xorg-server
[09:51] <tepsipakki> that should do it
[09:52] <tepsipakki> booting.. it should install just fine now
[09:52] <tepsipakki> so.. less than an hour to have debs ready :)
[09:52] <bryce> excellent
[09:53] <jcristau> xorg-server -12 got quite some testing in sid and lenny at this point, fwiw
[09:53] <bryce> jcristau: good to know
[09:53] <tepsipakki> yep, it should be safe
[10:11] <jcristau> bryce: the patch "Use kbd driver when xorg.conf specifies "keyboard" or "Keyboard" (bug #11301)" (from your Fixes_to_Backport page) is in -8, fwiw
[10:11] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 11301 in nautilus "If a file is downloaded to a directory that is open in Nautilus, that file doesn't appear in the folder window when the download completes" [Medium,Fix released]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/11301
[10:11] <jcristau> ubotu: not that one, fdo #11301 :)
[10:11] <tepsipakki> heh :)
[10:11] <tepsipakki> bad ubotu
[10:14] <jcristau> "remove CID support" was already done in 7.2
[10:16] <jcristau> and "xnest: fix linking since dbus" isn't relevant with 1.3 because you don't have dbus anyway
[10:18] <bryce> jcristau: thx, page updated
[10:20] <jcristau> the commits about Xvesa aren't relevant because the only kdrive-based server we/you're shipping is Xephyr
[10:20] <tepsipakki> jcristau: don't you have a paper to write? :)
[10:21] <tepsipakki> (not that I mind a bit if you go through the list :)
[10:22] <tepsipakki> (but positively)
[10:22] <jcristau> tepsipakki: we stopped about 2 hours ago, so now i'm just not sleeping because of too much coffee
[10:22] <tepsipakki> hehe :)
[10:23] <bryce> jcristau: I've heard we've got some people very interested in Xephyr for Ubuntu
[10:23] <bryce> however I only marked it because I wanted to get every fix related to vesa
[10:24] <jcristau> Xvesa is the code under hw/kdrive/vesa, which we're not shipping
[10:25] <tepsipakki> uh, still can't install gutsy.. now it's ubuntu-desktop claiming gnome-nettool can't be installed
[10:25] <bryce> ok, I wasn't sure about that
[10:26] <bryce> page updated
[10:28] <jcristau> "ffs: handle 0 argument" was also fixed some time ago
[10:28] <jcristau> it was upstream in 1.2, fixed in debian in 2:1.1.1-11
[10:29] <jcristau> "xfree86/linux acpi: fix tokenising" was in 2:1.1.1-16
[10:30] <jcristau> "Multiple integer overflows in dbe and render extensions" was in 1.2 too
[10:32] <jcristau> "Fix for a divide by zero that can be triggered by a malicious client." was presumably also fixed earlier, it's CVE-2007-2437
[10:32] <ubotu> The X render (Xrender) extension in X.org X Window System 7.0, 7.1, and 7.2, with Xserver 1.3.0 and earlier, allows remote authenticated users to cause a denial of service (daemon crash) via crafted values to the (1) XRenderCompositeTrapezoids and (2) XRenderAddTraps functions, which trigger a divide-by-zero error. (http://cve.mitre.org/cgi-bin/cvename.cgi?name=CVE-2007-2437)
[10:33] <bryce> updated
[10:33] <jcristau> looks like 2:1.3.0.0.dfsg-4 on our side
[10:35] <jcristau> i think that's all that looks familiar in the list :)
[10:37] <bryce> cool, thanks, that helps a lot
[10:39] <tepsipakki> bryce: btw, I emailed the guy who has been doing randr work for wacom (Magnus Vigerlf). He's been busy lately and hasn't followed xorg upstream for some months now, but said that once 1.4 is out he'll take a closer look
[10:40] <bryce> ok cool
[10:45] <bryce> 'night
[10:46] <tepsipakki> yeah, night.. I'll put those debs somewhere once the machine has managed to install itself
[12:11] <ubotu> New bug: #66755 in ubuntu "mouseup events sometimes (randomly?) lost (dup-of: 47971)" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/66755
[01:55] <ubotu> New bug: #28473 in xserver-xorg-driver-ati (main) "Freeze when moving between workspaces" [Medium,Fix released]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/28473
[02:31] <ubotu> New bug: #134248 in ubuntu "window video format bad playback, possibly other formats also (dup-of: 122979)" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/134248
[04:21] <ubotu> New bug: #134284 in xorg (main) "The X intel driver is not functioning correctly" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/134284
[04:57] <tepsipakki> bryce: the packages are here: http://users.tkk.fi/~tjaalton/dpkg/
[04:57] <tepsipakki> I replied one forum post, but can't add new ones on the dev section
[04:58] <tepsipakki> ..until I have the power to do so
[05:04] <bryce> awesome
[06:36] <ubotu> New bug: #134310 in xorg (main) "GeForce2 Go + Nvidia driver causing system freezes" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/134310
[07:53] <ubotu> New bug: #47359 in xorg-server (main) "Mouse Icons do not change in dual screen setup" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/47359
[08:00] <ubotu> New bug: #47638 in ubuntu "Artifacts on application buttons" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/47638
[08:05] <ubotu> New bug: #46643 in ubuntu "SONY VAIO VGN-FS215E no more screen (black screen) during edubuntu / ubuntu installation" [Medium,Incomplete]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/46643
[08:27] <ubotu> New bug: #134228 in xorg (main) "Gutsy Tribe 4 Live CD cannot boot: Xorg fatal error" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/134228
[08:57] <bryce> hi tormod
[09:33] <tormod> hi bryce
[09:34] <tormod> trying out ati 6.7.191 now - no luck on X700 :(
[09:36] <tormod> (log in https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5473)
[09:37] <ubotu> Freedesktop bug 5473 in Driver/Radeon "Blank screen with Radeon Mobility X700 (Acer Ferrari 4005)" [Major,Reopened]  
[09:39] <tormod> oh btw vesa is also broken on X700...
[09:40] <ubotu> New bug: #134349 in linux-restricted-modules-2.6.20 (restricted) "modules.alias.override/ath_hal won't detect an Apple MacBook Atheros card" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/134349
[09:42] <jcristau> tormod: with which version of xserver-xorg-core?
[09:52] <tormod> jcristau: xserver-xorg-core_1.3.0.0.dfsg-12ubuntu1_i386.deb from Timo.
[09:52] <jcristau> hmm weird
[09:55] <tormod> While looking for duplicates, I found bug #89853, with the comment that -12 should fix this.
[09:55] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 89853 in xorg-server "[regression]  7.2 broke vesa: "No matching modes found"" [Unknown,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/89853
[09:55] <tormod> but I am not sure how long vesa has been broken, haven't tried it for a while.
[09:57] <bryce> hrm
[09:57] <jcristau> ajax's patch in -7 fixed it for some people so i was hoping you were using -6ubuntu<mumble>
[09:57] <jcristau> :)
[09:58] <bryce> hehe
[09:59] <tormod> jcristau: hang on - maybe I used the old xorg with vesa and didn't try vesa after upgrading xorg... I'll check.
[09:59] <bryce> tormod: no, I doublechecked that in your log
[09:59] <bryce> tormod: Build Operating System: Linux Ubuntu (xorg-server 2:1.3.0.0.dfsg-12ubuntu1)
[10:00] <jcristau> hehe, i kind of thought including the package version in the log would be useful sometimes :)
[10:02] <tormod> jcristau: just what I thought too :)
[10:02] <tormod> I had the new -12 I am afraid.
[10:03] <tormod> xorg crashes in InitOutput
[10:19] <tormod> does anyone have a debug build handy? the -dbg package doesn't make it, and I just run this from a live cd. building would take forever.
[10:32] <bryce> tepsipakki might, but I think he's asleep at the moment
[10:33] <tepsipakki> I'm back, just had to stand for three hours before an audience :)
[10:33] <bryce> ahh, wb :-)
[10:33] <tepsipakki> (hndel, the messiah..)
[10:35] <tepsipakki> tormod: make sure you don't have the patched vesa from my repo
[10:35] <tormod> tepsipakki: no I haven't
[10:35] <tepsipakki> ok
[10:35] <tepsipakki> I remember that making it crash
[10:36] <tormod> are the xorg drivers still being stripped in -dbg packages?
[10:38] <tepsipakki> shouldn't be
[10:38] <tepsipakki> dh_strip --dbg-package=xserver-xorg-video-ati-dbg
[10:39] <tormod> tepsipakki: Bug #78293
[10:39] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 78293 in xorg-server "libraries get stripped even with debug build" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78293
[10:39] <tormod> (I filed that in January, but haven't checked recently)
[10:40] <jcristau> tormod: check out the changelog entry for 2:1.2.0-4
[10:40] <jcristau> hmm no that's not it
[10:40] <jcristau> let me check
[10:41] <tepsipakki>   [ Julien Cristau ] 
[10:41] <tepsipakki>   * Don't strip modules when DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS contains nostrip.  Thanks,
[10:41] <tepsipakki>     Cyril Brulebois!
[10:41] <tormod> tepsipakki: can you check your build log?
[10:41] <tepsipakki> tormod: I'm afraid pbuilder doesn't save that :/
[10:41] <tepsipakki> at least it didn't
[10:41] <tormod> where did ubotu go ? :)
[10:42] <tepsipakki> for a pint
[10:42] <tepsipakki> ;)
[10:42] <tormod> #0  0xb7c7aaec in ?? () from /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers//vesa_drv.so
[10:43] <bryce> tepsipakki: do you use the --logfile option for pbuilder?
[10:43] <tepsipakki> no :)
[10:43] <tepsipakki> I'll rebuild
[10:44] <jcristau> tormod: the drivers use standard dh_strip. so if you build with nostrip it should be ok
[10:44] <tormod> I don't build :) I use tepsipakki's -dbg.
[10:45] <jcristau> you have a -dbg for vesa?
[10:45] <bryce> tepsipakki: I was reading the UVF/FF exception process and saw that they like having the build-log and install-log (at least, for MOTU UVF exceptions)
[10:46] <tormod> jcristau: eh right, no I haven't (blush)
[10:46] <tepsipakki> bryce: yep, I'll rebuild ati too
[10:48] <jcristau> anyway bug 78293 is fixed for a long time :)
[10:50] <bryce> tepsipakki: do you think we should drop 120_fedora_disable_offscreen_pixmaps.diff?  (https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11626)
[10:53] <tepsipakki> bryce: unfortunately, without that compiz-performance is unbearable.. for the next release we'll hopefully get zero-copy tfp working for more than just r300, then we should be able to drop all those fedora-hacks :)
[10:53] <tepsipakki> I've been playing with that on my r200, but somehow the zc-tfp -patch has no effect
[10:54] <bryce> ok cool
[10:55] <tepsipakki> that's one of the reasons why I don't think "compiz-by-default" is a feasible goal for gutsy.. it's still not stable enough
[10:55] <tepsipakki> but that's just me :)
[10:55] <tepsipakki> "stable" meaning less regressions
[10:55] <tepsipakki> and stuff
[10:57] <bryce> tepsipakki: there was a lot of discussion last week on ubuntu-devel@ with much the same feeling from many
[10:58] <tepsipakki> there was? how did I miss that.. checking now
[10:58] <jcristau> that's also basically what krh was saying on his blog a few days ago
[10:58] <tepsipakki> right, I _have_ read that thread
[10:58] <tepsipakki> :)
[11:00] <tepsipakki> krh's recent work regarding windowed 3d looks great
[11:05] <bryce> tepsipakki: did you see tormod's bug 22985 about still needing patch 105_fdo_att7409_bug5437.diff? 
[11:05] <ubotu> New bug: #134365 in xserver-xorg-video-intel (main) "Playing Video in Totem blanks screen for 2 seconds" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/134365
[11:05] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 22985 in xserver-xorg-video-ati "[x700]  fails to infer lvds for primary connector on acer ferrari 4005 | card detected, but driver fails to use right output port" [High,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/22985
[11:07] <tepsipakki> tormod: regarding that bug; upstream has said that the forward is the "pci-rework" stuff IIRC
[11:07] <tepsipakki> +way
[11:07] <bryce> tepsipakki: since it sounds like the patch still applies, would there be any harm in including it for now until that rework hits?
[11:07] <bryce> or am I misunderstanding...
[11:09] <tepsipakki> apparently it doesn't apply on top of 6.7.191
[11:11] <bryce> tormod: let me know if the issue still exists in 6.7.191, and if so I'll try refreshing the patch to apply against it
[11:11] <tepsipakki> tormod: you could ping agd5f/airlied on #xorg about it..
[11:13] <tormod> bryce: as said in the fdo bug, 6.7.191 doesn't even start on X700.
[11:13] <bryce> ah, hrm
[11:13] <tormod> agd5f/airlied are cc'ed on that fdo bug.
[11:14] <tormod> about vesa, the pScrn->display->modes linked list in vesa.c (line 683) is broken
[11:15] <tepsipakki> tormod: yes they are, but perhaps they'd be more responsive on irc :)
[11:16] <tormod> tepsipakki: they are not in #xorg ATM
[11:17] <tepsipakki> ah, crap
[11:17] <jcristau> -devel
[11:18] <tormod> jcristau: thanks, of course :)
[11:21] <tormod> how can I tell gdb where ../../src/vesa.c is?