[01:59] <ryanakca> phew, finished creating the accounts on egroupware, now I just need to create the maildirs, set the passwords, and mail out the account info
[02:01] <mhb> ryanakca: nice work
[02:18] <ryanakca> mhb: I can see your appointment / meeting :)
[02:19] <mhb> ryanakca: great
[03:04] <ryanakca> mhb: still awake?
[03:06] <mhb> ryanakca: barely
[03:08] <ryanakca> If so, and you want to test kontact, fire it up, click on Contacts, Add..., XML-RPC, and then configure it as following https://groupware.kubuntu.co.uk/~ryan/kontact.png (substitude ryanakca with 'mhb')
[03:08] <ryanakca> same for calendar
[03:11] <mhb> ryanakca: nice!
[03:12] <mhb> ryanakca: if I edit the contacts, will the edits get merged with the egroupware server?
[03:12] <ryanakca> yep
[03:13] <ryanakca> you just have to hit the sync button when you're done (see the swirly blue icon)
[03:13] <mhb> ryanakca: it would be nice to have a LP-confirmed email address first, then the eGroupware email
[03:13] <ryanakca> Yeah
[03:17] <mhb> ryanakca: I can't find the sync button, though
[03:18] <ryanakca> mhb: under edit
[03:18] <ryanakca> there's a card, to the right a blue circle, and to the right of the circle a pencil on paper?
[03:20] <mhb> ryanakca: I must be stupid, do you have a screenshot?
[03:20] <ryanakca> sure
[03:21] <ryanakca> https://groupware.kubuntu.co.uk/~ryan/kontact1.png
[03:21] <ryanakca> That's in calendar
[03:21] <ryanakca> but it's at theh same place under contacts, just a sec
[03:22] <ryanakca> refresh kontact1.png
[03:23] <mhb> ryanakca: no such icon there
[03:23] <ryanakca> really? wierd.
[03:23] <ryanakca> Have a screenie?
[03:23] <mhb> ryanakca: could it be that I don't have enough rights to edit the contacts?
[03:23] <ryanakca> hmm. dunno, give me a screenie... should work.
[03:25] <mhb> ryanakca: http://image.bayimg.com/dagagaabe.jpg
[03:26] <ryanakca> Ok. Wierd.
[03:26] <ryanakca> Herm.
[03:26] <ryanakca> Can you edit contacts threw the web interface?
[03:26] <mhb> ryanakca: nope
[03:26] <mhb> ryanakca: which made me think
[03:27] <mhb> I don't have enough rights
[03:30] <ryanakca> hmm. I'll look into it.
[03:30] <ryanakca> Herm.
[03:31] <ryanakca> I guess it's to prevent someone from editing system wide contacts
[03:31] <mhb> ryanakca: okay, I'll look into sleeping in the meantime.
[03:31] <ryanakca> see yah
[03:31] <ryanakca> night ;)
[03:34] <ryanakca> freeflying: Hey
[03:34] <freeflying> ryanakca: hi
[03:34] <ryanakca> umm, are you willing to help me test the egroupware server?
[03:35] <freeflying> ryanakca: what can I do for you?
[03:37] <ryanakca> ok, just a sec, I'll create your account
[04:36] <nixternal> survived today's storm...whicked storm, lots of damage, but everyone is OK
[04:42] <Vaelen> So what is the egroupware server?
[05:31] <ryanakca> Vaelen: it's a way to figure out meeting times and set a global todo list for kubuntu members... with the added bonus of imap email
[05:32] <Vaelen> Is it web based, or does it integrate with Kontact?
[05:32] <ryanakca> both
[05:32] <ryanakca> bug 133857
[05:32] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 133857 in kdepim "In gutsy, kontact now crashes on startup (SIGSEGV)" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/133857
[05:32] <ryanakca> freeflying: see manchicken's workaround ^^
[05:33] <freeflying> ryanakca: ok
[05:34] <Vaelen> So how does one go about getting involved with kubuntu or kde development in general?
[05:39] <ryanakca> well, for Kubuntu, you can start out packaging, or writing documentation... or triaging bugs... I started out with translations.
[05:39] <ryanakca> Vaelen: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/HelpingKubuntu
[05:40] <ryanakca> you could also answer questions on #ubuntu or #kubuntu
[05:40] <ryanakca> Vaelen: http://www.ubuntu.com/community/participate if you want to participate in Ubuntu as well
[05:41] <Vaelen> ryanakca: Thanks! I'll see what I can help out with.
[05:41] <Vaelen> I'm running kubuntu-devel right now.
[05:42] <Vaelen> And I'm especially looking forward to KDE4.
[05:45] <Vaelen> ryanakca: What language did you work on translations for?
[05:49] <ryanakca> Vaelen: french
[05:50] <Vaelen> Ah, cool.  I'm a linguistics student, and I managed a translation project at IBM for a year or two, so I find that all very interesting.
[05:50] <Vaelen> But I don't speak any other languages well enough to translate anything into them.
[05:50] <ryanakca> cool :D
[10:17] <ryanakca>  wicked thunderstorm out, I'm unplugging this, and going back to bed :)
[10:29] <danimo> Riddell: just installing the debug packages doesn't yield a useful backtrace at all :(
[10:32] <Riddell> danimo: how about poingint LD_LIBRARY_PATH at wherever they install to?
[10:33] <danimo> Riddell: you said it should just work :)
[10:33] <danimo> Riddell: there is even a special binary, which I however cannot launch
[10:34] <danimo> Riddell: will look into it
[10:34] <danimo> tnx
[01:32] <vprints> does the new kubuntu restricted manager get the translation strings from th restricted-manager package or some other package
[02:03] <Riddell> vprints: you'd have to ask mhb, but it should do
[02:08] <vprints> Ridell, thanks.
[03:03] <manchicken> Man, adept has a lot of critics, but very few people willing to actually work on adept or something better.  That sort of thing just gets really old.
[03:07] <\sh> manchicken, adept is a monster
[03:07] <manchicken> \sh: I don't think it's anywhere near as bad as folks say.
[03:08] <ScottK> manchicken: I think it's pretty decent in general, I just find it slow and so don't bother.
[03:08] <manchicken> I think it brings a lot of functionality to the table.
[03:08] <ScottK> Agreed.
[03:09] <\sh> manchicken, it's big, takes too long to load, and is written by a RedHat ,-)
[03:09] <manchicken> Either way, if people don't want adept anymore, I'm willing to work with something else.  I'm just getting bored with the rather consistent criticism from folks who won't do anything to help.
[03:09] <\sh> manchicken, no serious...the "takes too long to load" is right...and it has too much of functionality (IMHO)
[03:09] <manchicken> \sh: And I'm willing to look at something else :)
[03:10] <\sh> manchicken, idea was (even during montreals ubuntu meeting) to write something like update-manager for gtk and qt (just like ubiquity, a working backend, and two frontends)
[03:10] <manchicken> \sh: But I'm not willing to listen to the same criticism over and over again with no ideas on how to fix the problem.... especially on kubuntu-users.
[03:10] <manchicken> \sh: I think that's a good idea.
[03:11] <manchicken> \sh: Common code among the buntus makes sense to me.
[03:11] <\sh> manchicken, regarding a chat with mvo during UBZ it is not difficult...reading the update-manager code from mvo it's a mess right now, and needs some refactoring
[03:11] <manchicken> \sh: And I'd even be willing to help hack something like that.
[03:11] <\sh> python-apt is not difficult to learn....
[03:12] <\sh> let's see if my wife is giving me time of from private life
[03:12] <manchicken> I don't mind picking up python to help out with this.
[03:13] <manchicken> Especially since I've got my new System76 in the truck speeding its way towards me as we speak.
[03:13] <manchicken> :)
[03:13] <\sh> manchicken, python-qt is simple...if you know c++ qt libs you know pyqt/pykde syntax
[03:13] <manchicken> Naw, I don't know python itself.
[03:13] <manchicken> Shouldn't be hard though.
[03:13] <manchicken> Ruby was simple, I've been hacking Perl forever, and I picked C++ back up in a weekend.
[03:13] <manchicken> Python should be a cake-walk.
[03:13] <\sh> hehe...riddell didn't know python in former times as well, and he hacked ubiquity ,-)
[03:13] <Hobbsee> bah, you people suck.
[03:14] <manchicken> Proof positive that one language is as good as another.
[03:14] <manchicken> Except Java.
[03:14] <Hobbsee> then again, it probably doesnt help that i'm still doing the first language.
[03:14] <manchicken> Hobbsee: Nonsense, you'd make an excellent hacker!
[03:14] <manchicken> Hobbsee: It just takes a lot of boring sittin and figuring stuff out at first.  Very frustrating.
[03:14] <Hobbsee> manchicken: yeah, true.
[03:15] <manchicken> I remember when I first learned to hack.  I was about 8, and I only really stuck it out because my dad was helping me out.
[03:15] <Hobbsee> at 8.  i'm jealous.
[03:15] <\sh> programming is easy...just start with: try to explain an idiot how a coffee machine works...from top to bottom or bottom to top...depends what style you like...so write this doc into pseudo code like "if idiot.listens():\t print "This is a coffee machine"
[03:15] <Hobbsee> we only *started* doing programming last year.
[03:15] <manchicken> Stuff like that is always more fun when you've got someone else helping.
[03:16] <manchicken> Hobbsee: I didn't wait for school to teach me.  I don't even really believe formal education will do me any good.
[03:16] <\sh> now replace "idiot" with "computer" and you developed your first program ,-)
[03:16] <manchicken> I don't do the "sit down, shut up, and pay attention" thing very well.
[03:16] <Hobbsee> manchicken: well, true.
[03:16] <manchicken> \sh: Nice
[03:16] <Hobbsee> of course, it'd probably help if i got off irc
[03:17] <manchicken> Hobbsee: IRC does take up a lot of time.
[03:17] <manchicken> We need to make catapult more like the free software windows program "launchy"
[03:18] <manchicken> katapult does not handle multiple matches well.
[03:18] <manchicken> launchy has a much better way of handling those situations.
[03:18] <\sh> Hobbsee, the best way to start with programming: http://www.amazon.com/Algorithmen-Datenstrukturen-Pascal-Version-Niklaus/dp/3519222507/ref=sr_1_2/002-2454269-0499254?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1187961487&sr=8-2
[03:18] <manchicken> heh
[03:19] <\sh> lets see if there is an english translation
[03:19] <manchicken> We don't all speak your strange european languages.  That's just unamerican.
[03:19] <manchicken> heh
[03:20] <\sh> ah here it is
[03:20] <\sh> http://www.amazon.com/Algorithms-Data-Structures-Niklaus-Wirth/dp/0130220051/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1/002-2454269-0499254?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1187961565&sr=1-1
[03:21] <\sh> That's a standard for IT students (well not today anymore, today you just need visual basic or visual java and you code like a god ,-=>
[03:23] <\sh> ok...time to go home :)
[03:37] <Riddell> Hobbsee: did you kick BlueVette?
[03:37] <Hobbsee> Riddell: removed.  couldnt tell if he was also trolling
[03:38] <Riddell> I didn't see anything trollish from BlueVette
[03:38] <Hobbsee> oh, hmm, seems legit.
[03:38] <Hobbsee> [23:26]  <BlueVette> tristan_ is pretty freaking sweet.
[03:39] <Hobbsee> couldnt tell if that was an accomplice
[03:39] <Riddell> I'd have assumed that was just sarcasm
[03:39] <Hobbsee> unsure
[03:39] <Hobbsee> hmm, seems i cant invite them back, they've left the network
[03:40] <Riddell> "If there was one thing you wish you had known before getting started in Summer of Code, what would it be?" tricky one
[03:40] <Tonio_> hi there
[03:40] <Tonio_> allee: ping ?
[03:41] <Tonio_> Riddell, Hobbsee: bonjour ;)
[03:41] <Hobbsee> bonjour Tonio_
[03:43] <allee> Tonio_: hi!
[03:43] <Tonio_> allee: hey ;)
[03:43] <allee> Tonio_: with switched on BT.  kbt is showing up in systray :(
[03:43] <Riddell> isn't that good?
[03:44] <Tonio_> Riddell: well on kubuntu previous version, the icon was hidden, but I cannot do that now due to a bug in the systray hidding functionnality
[03:44] <allee> Tonio: IHMO yes. ;)
[03:44] <Tonio_> allee: well imho the icon should appear when a bluetooth key is present
[03:45] <allee> Tonio_: I would prefer to see BT in systray when the bt device is on/available
[03:45] <Tonio_> allee: and it should hide otherwise
[03:45] <Tonio_> allee: exactly
[03:45] <Tonio_> allee: but what about hotplug key detection ? does this work or not ?
[03:46] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: kdebluetooth is still broken, btw
[03:46] <allee> Tonio_: I've tried: switch on Mighty mouse with 'invisible' kbt in systray.  Nothing happened
[03:46] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: for updates ?
[03:46] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: yes
[03:46] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: see the bugs about it
[03:47] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: hum, should be fixed now
[03:47] <allee> Hobbsee: I could pair to my BT isdn device (after command sudo ciptool search).  I've got a PIN dialog and then I was paired
[03:47] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: last upload didn't reach the repos yet
[03:47] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: should be fixed now
[03:48] <allee> ah, Hobbsee talked about pkg not 'functionality' ;)
[03:48] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: ubuntu2 was the broken one
[03:48] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: I have it installed here, what is broken ? I don't understand
[03:48] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: lemme look
[03:48] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: doesnt upgrade.  check launchpad
[03:49] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: k
[03:49] <allee> Tonio_: reason why I would like to see kbt, when bt is turned on/plugin in is that  system settings module has 'zero' functionality compared to systray icon
[03:50] <allee> Tonio_: after you tried the bt system setting.  The systray icon shows up.  But that a more than confusing feature ;)
[03:51] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: hum, libkbluetooth0 should conflict/replaces the old version of kdebluetooth, and therefore avoid that problem, so I don't understand
[03:51] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: version 0ubuntu2 at least
[03:52] <allee> Tonio_: hciconfig | grep .    in try_exec should fix session startup, but I've no idea (yet) how to start kdebluetooth when bt device is turned on/plug in :(
[03:52] <ryanakca> hmm. Konqueror seems to be deadly slow... odd.
[03:53] <Tonio_> allee: same for me
[03:53] <Tonio_> allee: isn't that easier to just make kbluetooth autostart and only showing the icon when a device is inserted ?
[03:53] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: any idea concerning the dist-upgrade problem ?
[03:54] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: havent tried, tbh
[03:54] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: I don't understand how can that bug with the 0ubuntu2 version
[03:54] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: bug report are before I uploaded the new version
[03:54] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: right, but they do seem to refer to the newer version
[03:54] <Hobbsee> i didnt get that problem, it seems
[03:55] <allee> Tonio_: looks like --dontforceshow  != --showonlyadeviceisavailable
[03:55] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: sure, but they refer to upload 0ubuntu1, latest did reach the repos tomorrow evening only
[03:56] <Tonio_> allee: sure, but as long as there are functions in the code to hide/show the icon and to detect if a device is available, I suspect that showing the icon dynamically shouldn't be that hard for a kde dev :)
[03:56] <Tonio_> allee: wold be interesting to ping _Stefans_ on that point as he seemed interested on working on kbt :)
[03:56] <Tonio_> w/wold/would
[03:57] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: oh, i must have misread them
[04:00] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: no pb, good thing you remind me to check that point :)
[04:01] <allee> Tonio_: I've asked on #kdebluetooth about 'why not change --dontforceshow'
[04:02] <allee> Tonio_: I'll ping him.  But will be mostly offline this weekend
[04:02] <Tonio_> allee: I'll try to ping him too :)
[04:03] <allee> Tonio_: just for your information.  I've tried to pair the Apple mighty mouse via the hid dialog -> error
[04:03] <Tonio_> allee: btw there is a bug in the iconn hidding thingy, did you saw that ?
[04:03] <Tonio_> first : hidding doesn't hide, you have to stop and restart the app
[04:03] <allee> Tonio_: this worked before (asked for pin 0000) then as paired
[04:03] <Tonio_> allee: and then only the icon is hidden, but the space is still used in the tray
[04:03] <Tonio_> not the way adept does for example
[04:04] <allee> Tonio_: this allocated space but no icon seem to be fixed now
[04:04] <Tonio_> allee: hum, interesting, I didn't notice any regression on that point
[04:04] <Tonio_> allee: hu ?
[04:04] <Tonio_> fixed ? lemme check
[04:04] <Tonio_> allee: nope still fails here
[04:04] <Tonio_> allee: up to date svn snapshot
[04:05] <Tonio_> I can right click o nthe hidden icon
[04:05] <allee> Tonio_:  mhmm, lemme retry
[04:05] <Tonio_> allee: k
[04:10] <Riddell> hmm, should I give mhb $2000?
[04:10] <Hobbsee> no
[04:10] <Hobbsee> give it to me instead!
[04:10] <allee> #$$% after log in the icon show up (if paired or not)
[04:11] <Riddell> google don't seem to offer an option for "give it to hobbsee instead"
[04:11] <Hobbsee> Riddell: google is out of date, then.
[04:11] <Hobbsee> Riddell: your employer has my bank details.  use them :P
[04:17] <manchicken> How does one get firefox to use konq for the file manager/
[04:17] <ryanakca> hmm. What would be the priority of strigi crashing at every login? Medium?
[04:17] <Riddell> pretty high
[04:18] <ryanakca> high...
[04:18] <ryanakca> bug 134299
[04:18] <ubotu> Bug 134299 on http://launchpad.net/bugs/134299 is private
[04:18] <Riddell> although an upstream issue, nothing we can deal with
[04:20] <allee> Tonio_: bt starts to annoy me.  Now suddenly systray bt icon always shows up, even for a fresh created user and not like before.  On the other hand: cool that's what I wanted ;)
[04:20] <Riddell> dunno, you'd have to look
[04:22] <Riddell> no
[04:22] <Riddell> oh, it's sourceforge http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?group_id=171000&atid=856302
[04:23] <nixternal> mornin' ladies and gents
[04:24] <ryanakca> high nixternal
[04:24] <ryanakca> hi
[04:24] <ryanakca> hehe
[04:24] <nixternal> in gutsy, has anyone else had issues when doing an apt-get upgrade? ie. it hangs on installing a package?
[04:24] <nixternal> I only notice it when there are quite a few package updates
[04:25] <nixternal> like right now, it hung up on the ttf-dejavu-extra package
[04:25] <ryanakca> nixternal: hehe, we got a wicked thunderstorm last night, I wonder if it's the same one you had earlier yesterday
[04:25] <ScottK> nixternal: The only problem I've had is I had to remove kdebluetooth.
[04:25] <ScottK> With tribe 5 just out the repos may be a bit hammered.
[04:25] <nixternal> it is constantly hangin' on me
[04:25] <nixternal> well it has been happening on and off for a couple of weeks now
[04:26] <ryanakca> nixternal: it hangs at '(Reading database ...'?
[04:27] <Tonio_> allee: hehe ;) well better pinging stefans to make a point I guess
[04:39] <Vaelen> I apologize for coming back to an earlier thread and all, but I just got here. :)
[04:40] <Vaelen> What sort of interface would this new KDE based apt wrapper have? (I mean, what are you looking for it to do, etc.)
[04:40] <ScottK> nixternal: Do you apt-get upgrade or apt-get dist-upgrade?
[04:43] <kwwii> lol, we received 1900+ wallpaper submissions for the kde4 contest :-)
[04:44] <nixternal> upgrade
[04:45] <nixternal> it actually does it either way
[04:45] <nixternal> kwwii: do you have a link to the wallpaper submissions yet?
[04:45] <nixternal> I have been waiting to check them out
[04:45] <nixternal> let me know if there are any cool beach wallpapers
[04:45] <kwwii> nixternal: nope, we are not going to make them public...only the winners
[04:45] <kwwii> oh, there are quite a few nice beach pics
[04:45] <ryanakca> shucks
[04:45] <nixternal> ahh, that stinks
[04:45] <nixternal> damn kwwii!! I want to see :D
[04:46] <kwwii> ;-)
[04:46] <kwwii> maybe after the contest is over or such
[04:46] <nixternal> they need to all be uploaded to kde-look
[04:46] <ryanakca> haha, that would take forever... unless they all go into a .tar.gz
[04:47] <nixternal> I have only found a handful of great beach pics that will scale correctly at 1200x800
[04:47] <kwwii> hehe, there are something like 1.4 GB in files
[04:48] <nixternal> jeesh
[04:49] <nixternal> I am a little upset with my java instructor this semester. she is a games development instructor at the uni, and our main project will be to create a game
[04:49] <Riddell> that sounds fun
[04:49] <nixternal> really?
[04:49] <ryanakca> make a MUD :)
[04:49] <Riddell> kwwii: wow, really?
[04:49] <nixternal> dude, I know absolutely nothing about games
[04:50] <Vaelen> It seems like most universities don't teach any useful Java, like junit or j2ee.  It's the same here at UT.
[04:50] <kwwii> Riddell: yepp, it took me like 4 hours to sort through them to pic my 30 favorites
[04:50] <ryanakca> hehe
[04:50] <nixternal> Vaelen: same here
[04:51] <nixternal> I used digiKam recently to sort through a ton of wallpapers I downloaded to see which ones I liked and which ones I didn't..it was nice, I could tag the ones I liked and then filter ont he tag
[04:51] <ryanakca> cool
[04:52] <nixternal> this guy at school which I got him to almost switch 100% to Kubuntu, he uses the "we are gears" wallpaper that comes with KDE, but he uses a cool color scheme with it, and it looks really cool..never thought that was possible
[04:53] <nixternal> I will tell him to do that if I remember during the next class
[04:54] <nixternal> he uses some off the wall colors for the gradient..I mean colors that would normally make you feel ill to your stomach, but it makes that wallpaper stand out nicely
[04:55] <nixternal> argh, this annoying network issue is happening again..I thought it stopped
[04:56] <nixternal> Vaelen: whatever you do, don't try to turn them on with an Intel vid card...
[04:56] <Vaelen> Yeah, too late. *laugh*
[04:56] <nixternal> lol
[04:56] <nixternal> I did it this week at the LUG meeting, and it was painful to get back
[04:56] <Vaelen> I even played with the settings and tried some stuff out.  It took /forever/.
[04:56] <nixternal> forever is an understatement
[04:57] <Vaelen> My next laptop will have an nvidia graphics card.
[04:58] <Vaelen> Unfortunately, I need to have a laptop and not a desktop because I work from home and sometimes I need to work from school as well.
[05:21] <allee> Tonio_: uhm, bad.  When I switch off BT and login: kblueooth display an dialog that's no adapter available and quits.  After switch on BT kblueooth gets not started :(
[05:30] <allee> Tonio_: Please add  TryExec=hciconfig | grep -q .   to the autostart file.  At least this may we get no anoying 'no bt adapter found' on login for system without bt
[05:40] <allee> Tonio_: I was too fast.  Now kbt does not autostart anymore at all :(  (works fine when started from cmdline).  Confusing
[05:43] <Riddell> manchicken: about?
[05:47] <ryanakca>  5607 ryan      15   0  178m  88m 9760 S 93.6 20.2  86:57.66 kded
[05:47] <ryanakca> 93.6 CPU :D
[05:52] <ryanakca> Ummm... Has anyone else had their sound card randomly 'disappear' ?
[05:52] <ryanakca> Seems to be a common bug on launchpad... since yesterday (linux-generic-2.6.22-10)
[06:03] <Riddell> nixternal: I've uploaded qdbusbridge
[06:03] <Riddell> nixternal: any plans to package qdasher?
[06:03] <Riddell> nixternal: oh and fancy adding kvkbd to be run as part of the session for the appropriate accessibility profile in k-d-s?
[06:05] <manchicken> Riddell: Sorry, what?
[06:08] <Tonio_> Riddell: I can do that if you want :)
[06:09] <Riddell> Tonio_: please
[06:09] <Tonio_> Riddell: oki, I'm not there toonight, that'll be done tomorrow
[06:09] <Riddell> manchicken: did you get any backtraces from your kontact crashes?
[06:11] <manchicken> Not anything useful.
[06:11] <Riddell> manchicken: did you file any bug reports?
[06:11] <manchicken> Yeah.
[06:11] <manchicken> 133857
[06:16] <allee> Tonio_: eh, TryExec never did what I wanted by  the standard :(
[06:18] <allee> Tonio_: This works:   In the autostart.desktop file.  Change  Exec=hciconfig | grep -q . && kdeblueooth || echo no BT device found
[06:18] <allee> No I get no annoying BT device not found warning when autostarted without BT and kblueooth is running when I have a BT device
[06:19] <allee> s/No/Now
[06:22] <allee> Tonio_: fwiw here's the script suse uses instead of 'my' solution:  [17:26]  <dgollub> http://pastebin.ca/669265.   dgollub gave it on #kdeblueooth, but I'm no fan of it
[06:32] <allee> Tonio_: fwiw, some more infos from suse about start on plug:
[06:32] <allee> [18:26]  <dgollub> in openSUSE we let the mediamanager call someting called "suseplugger" if the hal reports an event which is not a storage...
[06:32] <allee> [18:26]  <dgollub> then the suseplugger is going to call kbluetooth if the device is something about bluetooth_hci
[06:34] <jjesse> nixternal survining chicago after the storm?
[07:26] <jjesse> afternoon :)
[07:33] <milian> is there a workaround for the flash hickup yet?
[07:33] <milian> (that is: konqueror freezing because of nspluginviewer)
[07:37] <Riddell> no :(
[07:37] <Riddell> except revert to old glib/pango/cairo/gtk
[07:46] <milian> too bad, thank you riddell
[09:23] <mhb> ScottK: you are a nice guy, no need to fear me :o)
[09:24] <mhb> Riddell: that comment sounded like you are disappointed, so I hope it is not that so
[09:24] <ScottK> mhb: New restricted-manager-kde does NOT crash for me.
[09:26] <mhb> ScottK: yay! Thank pitti, we worked together on that bug even though he should care about totally different things by now
[09:26] <ScottK> I've still got the kernel module thing, but you can't fix that.
[09:27] <mhb> ScottK: I wrote what I know to the relevant bug, and I am sure it will be fixed soon
[09:27] <ScottK> Right.
[09:27] <ScottK> I recall IRC discussion about it somewhere.
[09:27] <mhb> good night everyone
[09:28] <mhb> I have to go offline now
[09:28] <ScottK> Good night.
[09:28] <mhb> ScottK: thanks!
[09:28] <mhb> Riddell: and I really hope you are not disappointed much :o)
[09:39] <nixternal> jjesse: ya, we survived...never lost power, but we lost a gazebo, a set of french doors, 2 windows, and our pool hut
[09:40] <nixternal> our weather station that is in our neighborhood recorded an 81mph gust and sustained winds of 64mph for 7 minutes
[09:40] <nixternal> pretty insane and scary
[09:40] <jjesse> wow that is insane and scary
[09:40] <nixternal> like a tsunami :)
[09:40] <nixternal> we are supposed to get more today
[09:40] <jjesse> or a hurricane
[09:40] <jjesse> its raining here
[09:40] <nixternal> ya, I have been through a hurricane in the military, not a big one, but still yesterday was scarrier I think
[09:41] <nixternal> chicago messed up and didn't sound their sirens...our at least blared for 5 minutes prior to the storm hitting
[09:42] <jjesse> in south west mi they sounded the sirens a long time before the storm got here
[09:42] <nixternal> ya, we were talking to my family who lives in berrien county and told them all hell is coming their way
[09:43] <nixternal> but they didn't get it as hard
[09:44] <nixternal> we never lost power either yesterday, which was amazing
[09:44] <nixternal> power is out all around, but the community we live in, did not lose it
[09:44] <jjesse> i heard like 300k were out of power
[09:44] <ryanakca> hehe, scary
[09:45] <nixternal> ya, they have fixed almost half of it now
[09:45] <nixternal> the town over, all of the fences are gone, roofs are torn up, siding all over, trees all over, and stupid drivers trying to beat others through a stop section w/o traffic lights
[09:46] <nixternal> I was driving big foot today because I had to go over to my sisters, swim into her house and help pull stuff out
[09:46] <jjesse> wow
[09:47] <nixternal> ya, she lives in Des Plaines, and the water is up to about, just under 3' of their ceiling
[09:47] <nixternal> you know it is bad when there are catfish swimming in your house :)
[09:48] <ryanakca> haha
[09:48] <jjesse> wow that is crazy, you sure she doesn't live in new orleans
[09:49] <nixternal> we went to sears and was going to buy a john boat to help us, and the manager told us as long as we don't damage it, we can bring it back to him..he will let us borrow it...which was pretty cool
[09:49] <nixternal> her subdivision reminded me of new orleans
[09:49] <nixternal> we live way up on a hill, so flooding has never hit us here...she lives in between a river and a creek which flood yearly
[09:50] <ryanakca> hmm. how far away from Chicago are you?
[09:50] <nixternal> 20 minutes depending on traffic
[09:50] <nixternal> or an hour by train :)
[09:50] <jjesse> ryanakca: aren't you from around chicago area or something like that?
[09:50] <ryanakca> jjesse: nah, Kingston Ontario
[09:51] <jjesse> no idea why i thought that
[09:51] <ryanakca> I could get to chicago by boat though...
[09:51] <nixternal> ya, that would be a long boat ride through the st. lawrence seaway
[09:51] <jjesse> would you have to go through the st lawrence to get ther efrom ontario?
[09:51] <ryanakca> well, I'm right on lake ontario...
[09:51] <ryanakca> nope
[09:51] <jjesse> that's what i thought
[09:52] <nixternal> OK, you can go from lake to lake, and then through mackinac (spelling)
[09:52] <ryanakca> jjesse: http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&safe=off&client=firefox-a&rls=com.ubuntu:en-US:official&hs=LNK&q=chicago+tornado&um=1&sa=N&tab=wl
[09:54] <ryanakca> jjesse: if you zoom in close enough, there's a canal near detroit, and then one from algonac to sarnia joining lake erie to lake huron
[09:57] <nixternal> haha, they have the dude who hacked the iPhone on Fox News
[09:57] <jjesse> thats funny
[09:57] <jjesse> i saw  on usa today or something like that
[09:57] <nixternal> they were calling him a hacker in the bad sense and he snapped at them
[09:57] <nixternal> he is/was selling hacked iPhone for $2,000 each
[09:58] <nixternal> jeesh, he made some cash
[09:58] <jjesse> so whats going on w/ endgaget reporting ti only took 5 minutes to do and the report on  usa today says 2 hours
[10:00] <nixternal> I didn't even follow the hack, so I have no clue
[10:04] <jjesse> hmm time to head home for thee weekend
[10:14] <nixternal> thanks for the warning
[10:15] <ryanakca> haha
[11:46] <DaSkreech> Good job on tribe 5 :)