[12:38] <clefia> Why do I lose my Panels once in a while after restarting Xubuntu feisty?
[12:42] <epsi> hi :)
[12:42] <epsi> anyone awake ?
[12:43] <underdog5004> yes
[12:44] <underdog5004> it's midday here
[12:44] <epsi> lol k
[12:44] <underdog5004> (pacific coast, U.S.)
[12:44] <epsi> its 1 o clock @night in germany ,d
[12:44] <epsi> 1pm
[12:44] <epsi> no am^
[12:45] <epsi> k ive got 1 question: is there any possibility to make kubuntu run a command i define , to do on shutdown?
[12:45] <epsi> everytime.?
[12:45] <runlevelten> yeah.
[12:45] <runlevelten> Do you want it to happen when KDE shuts down?
[12:46] <epsi> hm this includes an X restart?
[12:46] <epsi> eh but..it doesnt matter^
[12:46] <LPn> can some one help me i try to install kubuntu with the alt install and it says MP-BIOS bug: 8254 timer not connected to IO-APIC (black screen of death).
[12:46] <elvirolo> hi all
[12:46] <epsi> when KDE shuts down it should execute the command
[12:46] <epsi> that would be great ,yes.
[12:47] <elvirolo> how do i get the ipw3945 wifi chipset to work under kubuntu feisty?
[12:48] <epsi> runlevelten: kde shutdown is perfect :)
[12:50] <clefia> Why do I lose my Panels once in a while after restarting Xubuntu feisty? I can't start 'panel manager'
[12:50] <runlevelten> Oh sorry
[12:51] <runlevelten> put the scripts in your home folder/.kde/shutdown/
[12:51] <runlevelten> You can drop app shortcuts in there just as well :)
[12:51] <epsi> ah nice :D
[12:52] <epsi> there is no folder shutdown
[12:52] <epsi> shall i create it?
[12:56] <Angelus> can someone please help me with the following errors ? http://rafb.net/p/A6NWtK16.html
[12:57] <epsi> runlevelten:  shall i create the folder?
[12:58] <runlevelten> yeah
[12:59] <LPn> can some one help me i try to install kubuntu with the alt install and it says MP-BIOS bug: 8254 timer not connected to IO-APIC (black screen of death).
[12:59] <LPn> [00:46]  <elvirolo> hi all
[12:59] <LPn> can some one help me i try to install kubuntu with the alt install and it says MP-BIOS bug: 8254 timer not connected to IO-APIC (black screen of death).
[12:59] <LPn> [00:46]  <elvirolo> hi all
[12:59] <Angelus> can someone please help me with the following errors ? http://rafb.net/p/A6NWtK16.html
[12:59] <LPn> i try to install kubuntu with the alt install and it says MP-BIOS bug: 8254 timer not connected to IO-APIC (black screen of death). can some one help me plz?
[12:59] <Schuenemann> hey, I'm getting a very long black screen between the boot menu and X initialization. What could be that?
[01:01] <epsi> cool thx runlevelten ;D
[01:01] <epsi> hope it works :P
[01:01] <epsi> cya then
[01:01] <runlevelten> np - have fun :)
[01:01] <epsi> watching the bourne supremacy ;D
[01:01] <epsi> as a refresh for the upcoming 3rd part
[01:01] <Angelus> runlevelten: can you help me now ? lol
[01:02] <drewcipher> epsi: lol I have it on too.  better than I remember it being.
[01:11] <eljefe> i think MCE installed compiz or metacity for my window manager on Feisty, but I want it back to KWin; can anyone help me?
[01:14] <malqos> i have problem with gtkpod,i conect my ipod, add music and save on  the end, disconect ipod and when i try to play so music a dont have anyting on ipod
[01:14] <malqos> why?
[01:14] <toast> hi
[01:14] <eljefe> do you have no music, or it doesn't even show the ipod software?
[01:15] <malqos> i dont have no file,  my ipod is empty
[01:15] <runlevelten> Somebody rang?
[01:15] <malqos> but when i connect it to computer
[01:15] <malqos> gtkpod see the music
[01:16] <toast> jemand deutschsprachiges da der eine idee zu einem problem bei mir htte?
[01:16] <runlevelten> Angelus: You appear to be missing the ncurses development foo.
[01:17] <Schuenemann> !de
[01:17] <ubotu> Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de
[01:19] <Schuenemann> hey, I'm getting a very long black screen between the boot menu and X initialization. What could be that?
[01:19] <runlevelten> Angelus: so install an appropriate libncurses dev package for your system :)
[01:21] <eljefe> does the iPod start?
[01:21] <malqos> eljefe are you there?
[01:21] <eljefe> yes i am, malqos
[01:21] <malqos> yes
[01:22] <malqos> it starts
[01:22] <eljefe> hmm
[01:22] <malqos> i load it to gtkpod
[01:22] <malqos> and i have music
[01:22] <U238Willy> hello!..(call me Willy) let's see.. i was installing packages through adept this afternoon.. and they exploded.. well adept cancelled.. didn't finish installing packages that were in queue.. and now.. when adept runs, it says that another 'instance' of adept or apt-get is still running.. (after a warm boot, i assure you they're not) so.. any ideas how to remove the exploded packages.. and reset my adept? any help would be greatly appreciat
[01:22] <U238Willy> ed! :)
[01:22] <U238Willy> wow
[01:22] <eljefe> when you put the music 'on the iPod', maybe its only going into a queue, and you have to still click [Transfer]  or something?
[01:23] <eljefe> U238Willy: at a command prompt/Terminal, type: sudo apt-get install -f
[01:23] <eljefe> that will force the packages to install or clear, depending on whats best for the system
[01:24] <U238Willy> I shall try..
[01:24] <U238Willy> and I thank you.. kind sir
[01:24] <eljefe> of course
[01:24] <malqos> i will try in banshee
[01:24] <eljefe> i got a ton of Windows help today, so i feel inclined to give back tonight :)
[01:24] <malqos> i have synchronizing so it may be good
[01:24] <malqos> :)
[01:25] <eljefe> malqos: ok.  i have only used amarok but it works for me.
[01:25] <U238Willy> ok..
[01:26] <U238Willy> dpkg was interrupted, you must manually run 'dpkg --configure -a' to correct the problem..
[01:26] <U238Willy> sound good?
[01:27] <eljefe> yep
[01:27] <U238Willy> I'm running kubuntu (obviously? right?) 7.04 fiesty fawn.. i was trying to install an IRC bot package.. and the KVIRC2 packages
[01:27] <eljefe> hmm
[01:27] <U238Willy> as i run a chan on chatspike.. and am constantly look for new bot packages or.. irc clients
[01:27] <eljefe> so why did you interrupt it?
[01:27] <U238Willy> i didn't
[01:27] <U238Willy> it stopped midway
[01:27] <malqos> i dont know what with dpkg but in banshee everything is great
[01:28] <malqos> so thanks a lot
[01:28] <eljefe> it stopped itself?
[01:28] <U238Willy> so i asked to see the 'details'
[01:28] <U238Willy> where a CLI was there
[01:28] <U238Willy> asking for the root information
[01:28] <eljefe> malqos: yep not a problem mate.  pass help along ;)
[01:28] <U238Willy> (which made me nervous)
[01:28] <eljefe> sure
[01:28] <U238Willy> but.. i said.. ok.. and entered it
[01:28] <U238Willy> at which point..
[01:28] <U238Willy> it exited..
[01:28] <eljefe> but if you're installing, its going to have to ask at some point... and maybe it creates a 'bot user' ?? no idea why...
[01:28] <U238Willy> and.. as you can see..
[01:29] <eljefe> hmm thats odd
[01:29] <U238Willy> most everything else runs
[01:29] <U238Willy> xchat..
[01:29] <U238Willy> amarok
[01:29] <U238Willy> with ipd
[01:29] <eljefe> was it a kubuntu package, or from the web?
[01:29] <U238Willy> *ipod
[01:29] <U238Willy> it was using adept
[01:29] <eljefe> strange.  maybe just a crash tho.
[01:29] <U238Willy> though i have expanded the repositories to capture it 'all' but no outside repositories.. like FM or anything.
[01:30] <eljefe> whats FM?
[01:30] <Azzco> Why is SVG images allways a bit unaligned to the right?
[01:30] <NickPresta> Azzco, what do you mean?
[01:30] <U238Willy> sorry.. abbreviation for Freshmeat
[01:30] <eljefe> ah sure
[01:30] <eljefe> they have ubuntu packages?
[01:30] <U238Willy> hmm.. dunno
[01:31] <eljefe> do you know, are they quality?
[01:31] <eljefe> oh
[01:31] <eljefe> lol
[01:31] <U238Willy> i've been so happy with what i've found so far..
[01:31] <eljefe> yeah for sure, esp with Feisty
[01:31] <Azzco> NickPresta: Everytime I try to preview a svg image a part on the right side is not showing up, same if I try to add one to a document or anything
[01:31] <U238Willy> that i haven't started looking for outside repositories.
[01:31] <eljefe> i've only added trevino's for the KDEnlive video editor
[01:31] <U238Willy> a video editor?
[01:31] <U238Willy> well
[01:32] <U238Willy> lemme try the dpkg first..
[01:32] <NickPresta> Azzco, in what applications?
[01:32] <eljefe> oh, also one to install LinuxMCE but that was a pain so i gave up, but it ate my windowmanager!  i want kwm back!
[01:32] <Azzco> konqueror and koffice
[01:32] <NickPresta> Azzco, does it happen with all SVG images or just specific images?
[01:32] <Azzco> All
[01:32] <ari> hi. i just reinstalled kubuntu edgy (it was the only install cd i had) on my computer and i upgraded to feisty and i wanted to know how to get the codecs to play mp3s. i've tried to install them manually via a terminal but it doesn't work and when i run amarok it tells me i can't read mp3s and then it shuts down. is that normal ?
[01:33] <NickPresta> Azzco, I don't know what to tell you. I'm viewing an SVG image in Konqueror right now. It appears fine. Which version of KDE are you running?
[01:33] <NickPresta> !codecs
[01:33] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[01:33] <U238Willy> hmm..
[01:33] <Azzco> NickPresta: 3.5.6 o.O Thought it was higher
[01:33] <U238Willy> it seem the 'blootbot'
[01:33] <U238Willy> *seems
[01:33] <U238Willy> is the main 'issue'
[01:33] <U238Willy> dpkg forced the rest
[01:33] <U238Willy> i suppose
[01:34] <NickPresta> Azzco, the only thing I can suggest is upgrading to 3.5.7. I don't know if that will fix it for sure though.
[01:34] <U238Willy> back at the terminal.. i think if i can get adept to work..
[01:34] <eljefe> cool
[01:34] <U238Willy> I'm going to uninstall the packages that were in queue
[01:34] <eljefe> sure
[01:34] <U238Willy> and just reinstall
[01:34] <Azzco> NickPresta: Should I install the kde package or will that break kubuntu-desktop?
[01:35] <NickPresta> Azzco, unless you have a reason not to do a "full upgrade", I think you should add the 3.5.7 repo and just upgrade all K apps. http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-357.php
[01:36] <Azzco> Ahh okay thanks :)
[01:36] <intelikey> U238Willy in konsole;   sudo dpkg -a --configure && sudo aptget install <packagename>                   inturpreting <> of course.   and if it errors you'll see why.
[01:37] <toast> i need a little bit help ... i have an Gforce Grafic Card ... i have installed the nvidia-glx package then reconfig the xseerver ... and restart the xserver ... but only black screen ... reconfig the xserver to the vesa driver ... downloading a new driver from the nvidia page, installed this new driver ... xserver reconfig ... all ready ... reboot ... now ... only black screen ... since that moment ... only vesa driver or black screen ... can
[01:37] <toast> someone help me? sry for the bad english ... i'm from germany ;)
[01:37] <intelikey> excuse me.  apt-get
[01:37] <eljefe> !de |toast
[01:37] <ubotu> toast: Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de
[01:37] <intelikey> toast /join #kubuntu-de
[01:37] <Arwen> toast, there is a German channel you know
[01:38] <eljefe> toast: or english ;)
[01:39] <U238Willy> oh um
[01:39] <toast> @#kubuntu-de is no one who can help .... thats the reason i try it here ;)
[01:39] <U238Willy> i just read what intelikey said
[01:40] <Schuenemann> hey, I'm getting a very long black screen between the boot menu and X initialization. What could be that?
[01:40] <U238Willy> well.. i ran dpkg as it and you all have said....
[01:40] <U238Willy> and it forced it's way through..
[01:40] <U238Willy> i'm currently in adept..
[01:40] <U238Willy> without it saying that another instance is running.
[01:41] <U238Willy> and i'm removing the packages.. (to the best of my knowledge..) that were in that particular update..
[01:41] <U238Willy> i'll use apt-get for the blootbot..
[01:41] <U238Willy> as it seems to need some handholding
[01:41] <U238Willy> but.. the KVIRC client
[01:42] <intelikey> ummm hmmm
[01:42] <U238Willy> i'll just pickup through adept..
[01:42] <U238Willy> thank you all..
[01:42] <U238Willy> btw..
[01:43] <U238Willy> on the nvidia-glx issue.. i distinctly remember that two different lines.. maybe even three needed to be changed int xorg.conf
[01:43] <U238Willy> *in
[01:43] <U238Willy> i had a laptop that was running..
[01:43] <U238Willy> edgy eft
[01:44] <U238Willy> and i remember that alittle kate with xorg.conf.. and some changes in the driver lines.. were required..
[01:44] <posingaspopular> hey all, im trying to install pidgin in kubuntu feisty. right now i have a pidin -2.1.1.tar.bz2 file in my computer, but what do i do after that
[01:44] <Arwen> posingaspopular, um...
[01:44] <posingaspopular> tar -xv (file)
[01:44] <Arwen> !compile
[01:44] <ubotu> Compiling software from source? Read the tips at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompilingSoftware (But remember to search for pre-built !packages first: not all !repositories are enabled by default!)
[01:45] <posingaspopular> got it thanks
[01:45] <Arwen> if you don't know how to do this, I seriously recommend that you don't try
[01:45] <Arwen> if nothing else, it'll make upgrading to gutsy more difficult
[01:46] <intelikey> Arwen he's gone.
[01:46] <Arwen> gah..
[01:46] <NickPresta> heh
[01:46] <U238Willy> soo.. it's fiesty fawn.. there's a gutsy now?
[01:46] <Arwen> why doesn't anyone ever listen
[01:46] <NickPresta> and Pidgin 2.1.1 is in the repos now anyways
[01:46] <Arwen> U238Willy, it's in pre-release
[01:46] <Arwen> Alpha 5
[01:46] <intelikey> U238Willy not yet...
[01:46] <U238Willy> ah
[01:47] <U238Willy> and kde 4? is in pre-release still yes?
[01:47] <Arwen> KDE4 is beta
[01:47] <eljefe> not really sure what it holds, however... what are some big changes in gutsy?
[01:47] <Arwen> eljefe, no version of Ubuntu really has any big changes. It's mostly just newer packages.
[01:47] <eljefe> i'm just looking for kde 3.5.7 and kdenlive native packages!
[01:47] <U238Willy> i've been a KDE fan.. since.. Suse 9.3
[01:48] <eljefe> Arwen: i thought dapper to feisty had some pretty big changes
[01:48] <Arwen> eljefe, 3.5.7 has been backported - kubuntu.org
[01:48] <U238Willy> then moved to ubuntu
[01:48] <intelikey> eljefe new bugs,  new user configuration issues,  and some different eyecandy
[01:48] <eljefe> i know, but it *always* messes with my computer.  i pass.
[01:48] <Azzco> Well and the artwork
[01:48] <reldruh> can anybody point me in the direction of an easy-to-use video editing program? All I want to do is put together a bunch of pictures (stop-motion style). I tried using Cinelerra but it was too confusing.
[01:48] <eljefe> intelikey: lol, gives me something to bug report about!
[01:49] <U238Willy> eljefe
[01:49] <U238Willy> would you mention where you got your video editor?
[01:49] <eljefe> U238Willy: yeah?  i love the KDE! ;)  I started with SuSE 8.2 but once I wend debian, i never went back
[01:49] <U238Willy> eljefe, same here..
[01:49] <eljefe> yeah one minute... problem is, right now i cannot export any of the video clips I have! :(
[01:49] <eljefe> one moment
[01:50] <BluesKaj> eljefe, actually i had a prob with previous KDE upgrades , but this was the least troublesome so far
[01:50] <eljefe> BluesKaj: yeah?  hm... well i still think i am going to wait, it just makes gutsy have one more 'gotta have it's
[01:51] <drewcipher> reldruh: have you tried avidemux?
[01:51] <BluesKaj> hehe, gutsy ...not toostable yet
[01:51] <reldruh> drewcipher: not yet, is that easy to use?
[01:51] <[cellfrog] > Hi
[01:51] <eljefe> U238Willy: here is the program's page http://www.kdenlive.org/ and here is the repository info http://3v1n0.tuxfamily.org/dists/feisty/3v1n0/index.html
[01:52] <eljefe> lol
[01:52] <[cellfrog] > 
[01:52] <U238Willy> btw.. that may help reldruh's question
[01:52] <eljefe> intelikey: wheres the fun in that?
[01:52] <drewcipher> reldruh:  I have found it super easy so far but I have mainly used it to pull snippets out of movies vs. doing what you're doing.
[01:52] <intelikey> eljefe in decyphering the statement ?  :)
[01:52] <eljefe> lol
[01:52] <reldruh> I'm installing avidemux now. Thanks :-)
[01:53] <eljefe> drewcipher: you like avidemux?  i never understood what i was supposed to do with it.
[01:53] <eljefe> is it an editor?
[01:53] <U238Willy> ok.. i'm gonna lurk now.. but thank you all again.. all seems to work as it should (*fingers crossed*.. nah.. i'll just come out of lurk mode)
[01:53] <eljefe> lol cool
[01:54] <drewcipher> eljefe:  I am really low-res on my movies so it has worked great.  no hard core use.
[01:54] <eljefe> can anyone tell me how to disable whatever window manager i have now and make KDE use KDM again?
[01:54] <eljefe> drewcipher: is there a timeline anywhere?
[01:54] <intelikey> eljefe   cat ~/.wmrc
[01:55] <eljefe> k one moment
[01:55] <eljefe>  No such file or directory
[01:55] <drewcipher> eljefe:  my timeline shows right in the UI.
[01:55] <eljefe> drewcipher: its been a year or something, but i don't recall it being anything i 'got'
[01:55] <intelikey> eljefe hmmm   cat ~/.xsession     ?
[01:55] <[cellfrog] > Bye.
[01:56] <eljefe> i tried a few times, maybe i should be looking anew
[01:56] <eljefe> intelikey: only .xsession-errors :(
[01:57] <intelikey> eljefe then it's something in kde   check in  kcontrol and see if there's a setting
[01:58] <eljefe> intelikey: it happened when i added the LinuxMCE repos, and then installed that.  Which I don't use, but its there.
[01:58] <intelikey> ;/
[01:59] <eljefe> my window decorations look sweet! from before I installed MCE.  But they're not in use, and I don't see anyything in kcontrol
[02:01] <intelikey> hehhe ooops i've locked my self out.    be back after i pick the lock...   ;S
[02:02] <andresj> elijefe, the same thing happened to me when I tried to install LinuxMCE... it screwed many things up... so I just reinstalled Kubuntu. but I'm sure there's a setting you can change, what I know is that it is not in your /home/ folders (might be in /etc/)
[02:02] <intelikey> that was interesting...
[02:04] <intelikey> for Q in kwin kdm kubuntu ;do sudo dpkg-reconfigure -plow $Q ;done
[02:05] <intelikey> or just    sudo apt-get -f --reinstall install kwin
[02:05] <intelikey> both/either could work.
[02:06] <andresj> that's a better way... hadn't think of that.
[02:07] <Schuenemann> how can I check what framebuffer/text mode kubuntu is using?
[02:07] <intelikey> can anyone tell me if this is k6 or k7   http://ubuntu.pastebin.us/39144
[02:08] <Angelus> how can i creat initrd img for a custome kernel?
[02:08] <intelikey> Angelus if i were using a custome kernel it wouldn't need an init*.img
[02:09] <intelikey> Angelus none the less.   mkinitramfs -o <out_file.name> <version>
[02:10] <Angelus> intelikey: cause when i booted to custom kernel it gave ne some VFS error the cant load the root partition cause of some unrecocnized something
[02:10] <Angelus> :S
[02:11] <intelikey> Angelus only means that either disk or fs support aren't compiled into that kernel.
[02:11] <Angelus> where am i gonna find the disk or fs support?
[02:11] <Angelus> any idea?
[02:11] <intelikey> if the device is supported and the fs is supported and the kernel boot line is correct   no initramfs is needed
[02:12] <intelikey> Angelus if you compiled the kernel,  then you are the one responsable for the compile options.....
[02:12] <tazgodx_> where do i go to get help with writing a small script?
[02:12] <intelikey> tazgodx_ right here.
[02:12] <Angelus> intelikey: no,  i used make oldconfig
[02:12] <Angelus> so it uses kubuntus config
[02:12] <Angelus> and answered only the new questions
[02:13] <intelikey> Angelus you are the one that issued that command so you are still the one to blame for it not having the correct driver....
[02:13] <tazgodx_> ok, well my mom sent me a zip file with a ton of folders, all of which have 1 file in each, is there a script i can write to move all those files into the main dir?
[02:14] <Angelus> so intelikey i shouldnt use kubuntu's config for a custom kernel and build the options from scratch?
[02:16] <intelikey> tazgodx_ sure.  the command would look something like this;    find /base/path/ -type f -exec cp '{}' /new/dir \;     <<<< you want to inturpret  /base/path/   and /new/dir   the rest is verbatom
[02:16] <intelikey> Angelus or use the command  i showed you to build an initramfs image file.
[02:16] <intelikey> pick your take.
[02:16] <Angelus> so if i build the initramfs it should load good?
[02:16] <intelikey> in theory.    but not always in practice
[02:16] <intelikey> i've had to rebuild several...
[02:17] <Angelus> oh
[02:17] <Angelus> i see
[02:17] <tazgodx_> thanks, ill try that now
[02:17] <Angelus> i'll give it a try
[02:17] <Angelus> thanks intelikey :)
[02:17] <Angelus> ah btw, in case i should start the kernel from scratch, can you tell me which is best to use if modules or built-in ?
[02:18] <Schuenemann> how do I find out the framebuffer/text mode? I changed my graphic card and now I can't see any output between boot and X initialization
[02:18] <intelikey> tazgodx_ note that only copies them   incase anything goes wrong...   one could use  the move command  "mv"  rather than the copy command "cp"  \
[02:18] <tazgodx_> ok, ill do the move command, just cause i have it in my e-mail still
[02:19] <intelikey> Angelus you want builtin for only the things you know you need to get booted.  all else as modules.
[02:19] <Angelus> ok thanks :D
[02:20] <intelikey> Angelus i.e. ide-disk ext2/3     is all i would need built in.
[02:20] <intelikey> well  and cramfs and the normal things the kernel has to have....   but that's a given
[02:20] <Angelus> only?
[02:20] <Angelus> O_o
[02:21] <intelikey> yes only
[02:21] <tazgodx_> sweet, works great! thanks
[02:21] <Angelus> i used to build everything build-in nearly
[02:21] <intelikey> i doubt that
[02:22] <Angelus> really
[02:22] <intelikey> your kernel will not load if you do that.   it will be too big to fit in ram.
[02:22] <Angelus> on gentoo
[02:22] <Angelus> :/
[02:22] <Angelus> i have 1GB ram O_o
[02:22] <intelikey> operative word.   everything
[02:22] <Angelus> no
[02:22] <Angelus> i didnt say everything
[02:22] <Angelus> i said 'nearly'
[02:22] <Angelus> ;p
[02:22] <Angelus> most of the things
 i used to build everything build-in nearly
[02:22] <Angelus> yeah
[02:22] <Angelus> see
[02:22] <Angelus> nearly
[02:22] <Angelus> last word
[02:22] <Angelus> lol
[02:22] <Angelus> :p
[02:23] <intelikey> so nearly everything means less than one percent actually ???
[02:23] <intelikey> kewl
[02:24] <intelikey> Schuenemann if there is a vga= in the kernel line that's it.
[02:24] <Schuenemann> intelikey, where?
[02:25] <intelikey>  /boot/grub/menu.lst
[02:25] <Schuenemann> this? kernel		/boot/vmlinuz-2.6.20-16-generic root=UUID=43e57296-0c2c-4387-92ff-7db54b0354d6 ro quiet splash
[02:25] <intelikey> that's where you would specify it.    yes.
[02:26] <intelikey> and seeing that it's not there.   i'll go out on a limb and say it's in the initramfs.img-2.6.20-16-generic
[02:26] <Schuenemann> what do I do? I never changed anything there, just changed graphic card
[02:26] <intelikey> i think i wrote a script for editing those once
[02:27] <intelikey> Schuenemann rebuild it.
[02:27] <intelikey> !usplash
[02:27] <ubotu> To select the usplash artwork you want, use "sudo update-alternatives --config usplash-artwork.so && sudo update-initramfs -u" - See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/USplashCustomizationHowto for adding your custom artwork
[02:27] <Schuenemann> I'm not sure you got the problem: I have a blank screen during boot
[02:27] <intelikey> Angelus that link might help with your Q also  ^
[02:28] <intelikey> Schuenemann i'm sure i got it.
[02:28] <intelikey> can i be sure enough for both of us ???
[02:28] <Schuenemann> heh
[02:28] <Angelus> oh
[02:28] <Angelus> thanks
[02:29] <Schuenemann> just a minute, I need to reboot, brb
[02:31] <Schuenemann> intelikey, changing it to nosplash solved
[02:32] <intelikey> yeah.   i though you wanted the eyecandy...    i could have told you nosplash vga=normal
[02:33] <Schuenemann> yeah, I suspected you didn't get it when you said artwork :-)
[02:33] <intelikey> and everyone else would have said  'NO DON'T DO THAT, IT'S UGLY'
[02:33] <Schuenemann> ugly is having a blank screen during boot
[02:34] <intelikey> Schuenemann i got it.   just expected you wanted it fixed,  not dismissed
[02:34] <Schuenemann> dismissed?
[02:34] <intelikey> yeah.
[02:34] <Schuenemann> what do you mean?
[02:34] <intelikey> nothing.  never mind.
[02:34] <intelikey> i'll be back in a few.
[02:34] <Schuenemann> isn't it fixed now?
[02:54] <Daisuke_Laptop> still can't figure out why i have no direct rendering
[02:56] <aaron>  ok. so i have a linux firewall running iptables. I sometimes download torrents on port 49xxx. When I do, en open this port on my firewall, and when my torrent is done, I close it back up. using iptraf, i see connections every now and then to that port, even though it's closed.... is this because the torrent tracker announces to the other clients to connect to me on that port?
[03:04] <ubuntu__> ?
[03:04] <ubuntu__> alguem?
[03:05] <NickPresta> ?
[03:07] <kgx> has anyone use workrave on Windows XP? it really slows down my computer for around 10 seconds every hour or so...quite annoying. anyone knows a fix?
[03:08] <NickPresta> kgx, you're asking if we know a fix for workrave as it slows down your computer in Win XP?
[03:08] <Daisuke_Laptop> !windows | kgx
[03:08] <ubotu> kgx: For help with Microsoft Windows, please visit ##windows or your nearest mental health institute. See http://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+bug/1 http://linux.oneandoneis2.org/LNW.htm and !equivalents
[03:09] <namol> I'd remove windows
[03:09] <Schuenemann> !br | ubuntu__
[03:09] <namol> sounds like the problem to me
[03:09] <ubotu> ubuntu__: Por favor use #ubuntu-br ou #ubuntu-pt  para ajuda em portugus. Obrigado.
[03:09] <Daisuke_Laptop> kgx: in other words, we don't help with windows problems, sorry.
[03:09] <ubuntu__> #ubuntu-br
[03:09] <kgx> NickPresta: lol :p meh..i hate windows sometimes...
[03:10] <namol> type /join #ubuntu-br
[03:10] <Daisuke_Laptop> sometimes?  try all the time
[03:10] <Daisuke_Laptop> that's why we don't use it (for the most part)
[03:10] <namol> I use both actually, I'm pulling down the new MoH:Airborne game
[03:10] <zgmf-x20a> hey can someone please help me here.  first, the desktop cd for kubuntu, 6.10, this is the live cd correct?
[03:10] <Schuenemann> it is both
[03:11] <Schuenemann> but there is version 7.04 there
[03:11] <kgx> yeah, its just that i've started some windows development work and *have* to use windows
[03:11] <Schuenemann> available to download, I mean
[03:11] <ubuntu__> #ubuntu-pt
[03:11] <Schuenemann> kgx, using (yuck) .NET?
[03:11] <ubuntu__> ?
[03:11] <zgmf-x20a> yes it is, but 6.10 is more stable.  ok, so, how do i get into the live cd when it is at the prompt ubuntu@ubuntu???
[03:11] <namol> kgx: what are you developing?
[03:12] <Schuenemann> zgmf-x20a, 7.04 is stable
[03:12] <kgx> namol: c# software
[03:12] <kgx> check out what i got from ##windows:
[03:12] <kgx> has anyone use workrave on Windows XP? it really slows down my computer for around 10 seconds every hour or so...quite annoying. anyone knows a fix?
[03:12] <kgx> oops, hand on
[03:12] <Daisuke_Laptop> 6.10 is more stable? what are you smoking?
[03:12] <kgx> [13:11]  <kgx> has anyone use workrave on Windows XP? it really slows down my computer for around 10 seconds every hour or so...quite annoying. anyone knows a fix?
[03:12] <kgx> [13:11]  <ppj> No idea what Workrave is
[03:12] <kgx> [13:11]  <-- fuzzybunny has left this server (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)).
[03:12] <kgx> [13:11]  <elite101> me either
[03:12] <kgx> [13:11]  <SomeIdiot> sounds like something that might deliberately slow a computer down heh
[03:12] <kgx> lol :D
[03:12] <posingaspopular> zgmf-x20a: what site are you on? can i get a link
[03:12] <zgmf-x20a> Schuenemann: lol ok, well i will try that cd later then, but im trying my first attempt at vist and kubuntu dual boot
[03:12] <Daisuke_Laptop> !paste
[03:12] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[03:12] <Schuenemann> !pastebin | kgx
[03:12] <ubotu> kgx: please see above
[03:12] <namol> lol
[03:13] <Daisuke_Laptop> zgmf-x20a: vista too?
[03:13] <zgmf-x20a> yes, vista and 6.10. dual boot
[03:13] <namol> install vista first
[03:13] <zgmf-x20a> i did
[03:13] <namol> then kubuntu
[03:13] <zgmf-x20a> and i did proper partions
[03:13] <namol> you'll be fine
[03:13] <namol> even a monkey can do it
[03:13] <zgmf-x20a> no, the problem is, how do i get past ubuntu@ubuntu prompt?
[03:13] <Daisuke_Laptop> apparently not, we shaved apes make the easiest things difficult.
[03:14] <namol> startx?
[03:14] <Daisuke_Laptop> uh...  did you install the server edition?\
[03:14] <zgmf-x20a> and namol it is not like an xp dual boot
[03:14] <ubuntu__> speaks in Portuguese?
[03:15] <zgmf-x20a> fatal error.  no screens found
[03:15] <namol> sounds like a X11 problem
[03:15] <zgmf-x20a> yes it does
[03:15] <namol> probably a config problem
[03:15] <zgmf-x20a> crap i forget the code, let me try and ring that up again
[03:15] <zgmf-x20a> i think i have to change it to vesa
[03:16] <zgmf-x20a> CRAP thats why 7.04 didnt work then!
[03:16] <zgmf-x20a> ARGH!
[03:16] <zgmf-x20a> lol, ok brb
[03:16] <ubuntu__>  speaks in Portuguese?
[03:18] <ubuntu__> ??
[03:18] <elite101> kgx, what?
[03:18] <elite101> why did u paste from windows channel to linux o_0?
[03:18] <aaron> anyone know the default user/pass for the ntop package?
[03:18] <Schuenemann> ubuntu__, /join #ubuntu-br
[03:18] <kgx> elite101: reponse to something i talked about before..no need to get excited ;)
[03:19] <elite101> ohh?
[03:21] <elite101> :) no worry then
[03:22] <ubuntu__> ????#ubuntu-br???
[03:22] <Schuenemann> escreve /join #ubuntu-br
[03:25] <zgmf-x20a> SUCCESS!!!!!!
[03:25] <zgmf-x20a> now to find out if i did the partians proper for damned vista
[03:26] <zgmf-x20a> i cant believe i cant use xp anymore for my dual boot, so irritating!
[03:26] <Schuenemann> dude, vista = viruses intruders spyware trojan adware
[03:27] <Biovore> XP/Vista boot in the same fasion..
[03:27] <Biovore> chainload +1
[03:27] <[pyro] > hey guys, im currently logged into my dad's kubuntu box via SSH and im trying to launch Kopete for him remotely. Can anyone remember the switch's i need to use so it will bind to his DISPLAY being :0 ?
[03:28] <Biovore> [pyro] : um..  you logged in as his user?
[03:28] <[pyro] > yep
[03:28] <Biovore> you can try export DISPLAY=:0.0  then run kopete
[03:28] <Biovore> Not sure if that will work..
[03:28] <[pyro] > cool ill give it a go
[03:29] <Berzerker> question, maybe someone knows
[03:29] <Biovore> But what your asking is possible.. or you can setup a remote desktop connection..
[03:29] <Berzerker> how do I reorder groups in kopete
[03:29] <Berzerker> ?
[03:29] <[pyro] > Biovore: yep that worked, cheers :)
[03:29] <Biovore> [pyro] : ok cool.. :-)
[03:29] <[pyro] > i knew it could be done, just couldnt remember what it was i needed to do to get it working
[03:30] <RobNyc> anyone here has kickoff ?
[03:30] <RobNyc> !kickoff
[03:30] <ubotu> Kickoff is a new KDE menu replacement developed by openSUSE. See http://www.kdedevelopers.org/node/2331
[03:30] <flaccid> !find kickoff
[03:30] <Berzerker> what does it do?
[03:30] <ubotu> Package/file kickoff does not exist in feisty
[03:30] <RobNyc> i found this on kde-look http://kde-look.org/content/show.php/Kickoff-qt+on++Kubuntu+7.04?content=55864
[03:31] <Biovore> No.. but I use something simular called tastymenu
[03:31] <Biovore> they have debs.. just download and install
[03:31] <RobNyc> Biovore, can i see your screenie
[03:32] <Berzerker> how does one go about installing kickoff?
[03:32] <Biovore> I don't have a screenie of it.. I had to build it for my box..
[03:32] <flaccid> can someone point me to the right deb for kickoff... seems a bit badly organised/packaged
[03:32] <zgmf-x20a> namol: you still here?
[03:32] <radioaktivstorm> why is it that when i use the arrow keys to go through a directory when opening a file some things are skipped?
[03:32] <Biovore> kickoff looks like its been packaged in a .deb for you..
[03:32] <Daisuke_Laptop> kickoff is well packaged on kde-look.org
[03:32] <Daisuke_Laptop> works great
[03:32] <Biovore> looks like you need to install the lib first then install the package..
[03:33] <flaccid> Biovore: URL please
[03:33] <_michael> hello I was wondering if there is a way to launch an app from virtual desktop 1 (command line) and have it appear on virtual desktop 2 any suggestions?
[03:33] <Biovore> flaccid: for tastymenu?
[03:33] <zgmf-x20a> guess not.  aight, anyone here do a vista and kubuntu dual boot recently?
[03:33] <flaccid> kickoff or tastymenu im up to try either/or
[03:33] <Biovore> http://kde-look.org/content/show.php/Tasty+Menu?content=41866
[03:33] <RobNyc> how does tastymenu look
[03:34] <Biovore> there 1.0 of tasty menu
[03:34] <RobNyc> ah lets see
[03:34] <RobNyc> i already have that
[03:34] <zgmf-x20a> anyone here do a vista and kubuntu dual boot recently?
[03:34] <RobNyc> im using Linux MINT KDE they use something similar
[03:34] <flaccid> thanks
[03:35] <zgmf-x20a> anyone?
[03:35] <Biovore> zgmf-x20a: I have it working..
[03:36] <zgmf-x20a> nice, ok, quick question Biovore
[03:36] <[pyro] > Biovore: haha my dad's whinging because i launched kopete while he was watching a movie
[03:36] <zgmf-x20a> im doing it this way:  http://www.commonmancomputing.com/y/Learn/DualBootVistaandLinux/tabid/62/Default.aspx
[03:36] <[pyro] > "HTF did this just open itself? i closed it!!"
[03:36] <zgmf-x20a> has anything changed since vista was beta?
[03:36] <Biovore> http://www.biovore.net/Fileserver/tastymenu_screenshot.png
[03:36] <Biovore> ^ tastymenu on my box here..
[03:37] <Biovore> well it the same way to boot xp.. same thing basicly..
[03:37] <Biovore> chainload +1
[03:37] <zgmf-x20a> Biovore: and btw, wtf, why is it 10gb!?!?!?  argh i wish i could use xp again
[03:37] <Biovore> on the partion..
[03:37] <Biovore> 10gb?
[03:37] <Biovore> gigabit?
[03:38] <zgmf-x20a> yahhhhhhhhh!!!
[03:38] <zgmf-x20a> i was like, wtf!?
[03:38] <Biovore> what nic?
[03:38] <zgmf-x20a> nic?
[03:38] <Biovore> they do exists..
[03:38] <Biovore> 10gb network interface cards
[03:38] <zgmf-x20a> lol, no the install, was 10gb of hd space
[03:38] <Biovore> for vista?
[03:38] <zgmf-x20a> yah
[03:39] <Biovore> must be premium..
[03:39] <zgmf-x20a> o, yah, home premium
[03:39] <Biovore> was only 4 here..
[03:39] <zgmf-x20a> it came with the laptop
[03:39] <Biovore> must be all the extra spyware..
[03:39] <Biovore> :-P
[03:39] <Biovore> it is windows afterall :-)
[03:39] <zgmf-x20a> but i cant use xp, cause i ordered the new WD scorpio 250gb drive and windows xp install cds cannot recognize it
[03:40] <Biovore> err.. there serial ata..
[03:40] <Biovore> they work with XP
[03:40] <zgmf-x20a> lol.... not a big fan of windows at all, but need it for games
[03:40] <Biovore> you just have an old xp disk.. so you need to have that drivers floppy thing..
[03:40] <Biovore> sata didn't get supported untill SP2
[03:40] <zgmf-x20a> yah it is sata, wait whats this drivers floppy thing!?
[03:40] <zgmf-x20a> it is an sp2 disk
[03:41] <Biovore> well most mobo came with a floppy
[03:41] <zgmf-x20a> erm.... its a laptop though, so no floppy drive
[03:41] <Arwen> zgmf-x20a, get a USB drive.
[03:41] <zgmf-x20a> its the asus f3sv-a1
[03:41] <Biovore> XP installer can't read a USB disk for installing drivers from the installer
[03:41] <Biovore> probably use a USB floppy
[03:42] <Schuenemann> in other words, XP is junk
[03:43] <zgmf-x20a> a floppy drive to usb??  yah i MUCH! prefer xp or vista, just look at these results!  vista is crap!! http://www.tomshardware.com/2007/01/29/xp-vs-vista/
[03:43] <Schuenemann> yeah, me too... but that isn't a great thing, you know
[03:43] <Biovore> yeah..  but MS is pulling the old marking gag..  there only releasing Directx 10 on vista..
[03:43] <zgmf-x20a> Biovore: check outthat posting
[03:43] <Biovore> I have seen it once..
[03:43] <zgmf-x20a> Biovore: i know, hat is such bs too
[03:44] <Biovore> but no fear.. because hackers have made it work on XP :-P
[03:44] <Daisuke_Laptop> vista's a waste of money, but we already know that, this is #kubuntu :D
[03:44] <zgmf-x20a> yah it wont be long before they make it backwards compatible
[03:44] <Biovore> and probably not for far in the furture.. wine will do DirectX 10
[03:44] <Schuenemann> Daisuke_Laptop, actually I can have a free copy, but it's junk anyway
[03:45] <zgmf-x20a> lol
[03:45] <Biovore> native linux port for that one as well.. think bioshock looks nice.. you havn't seen crud yet..
[03:45] <Daisuke_Laptop> Schuenemann: even for free it's roo expensive
[03:45] <Daisuke_Laptop> too*
[03:45] <Schuenemann> hehe
[03:45] <Daisuke_Laptop> upkeep cost
[03:45] <Daisuke_Laptop> antivirus
[03:45] <Arwen> zgmf-x20a, on those benchmarks, properly multi-threaded apps ran faster on Vista.
[03:45] <zgmf-x20a> so anyways, hey biovare, let me get this straight, you installed vista on your whole drive, without partioning, then installed kubuntu afterwards and manual edit the partians, and it worked!?
[03:45] <Arwen> think again.
[03:45] <Schuenemann> yeah, I would waste a dvd media too
[03:46] <Biovore> zgmf-x20a: I have done it that way..
[03:46] <Daisuke_Laptop> Arwen: since when are apps properly multi-threaded?
[03:46] <zgmf-x20a> lol, yah but look at thos encoding results, they take much longer, those are big %'s
[03:46] <Biovore> zgmf-x20a: http://www.biovore.net/Fileserver/menu.lst  <-- my menu.lst file for grub on my box.. your may very...
[03:47] <Biovore> dual boots vista and linux
[03:48] <zgmf-x20a> Biovore: really!?  so crap im going thru all this damn crap on this link here for nothing!?!!?!?!?  ARGH! http://www.commonmancomputing.com/y/Learn/DualBootVistaandLinux/tabid/62/Default.aspx
[03:48] <Biovore> yeah.. just need to update the menu.lst file.. thats it..
[03:48] <zgmf-x20a> o...m...g....
[03:48] <zgmf-x20a> X_X
[03:49] <Biovore> zgmf-x20a: just add that bold stuff at the end of the link to your menu.lst file..
[03:49] <Biovore> reboot
[03:49] <Biovore> and select vista..
[03:49] <Biovore> should work..
[03:49] <zgmf-x20a> after installing it the same way as b4 with xp right?
[03:49] <Biovore> yup
[03:49] <zgmf-x20a> ARRRRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
[03:49] <zgmf-x20a> lol
[03:49] <Biovore> the boot method is the same.. chainload +1
[03:50] <Biovore> basicly grub just boot the windows bootloader..
[03:52] <zgmf-x20a> woahhhhh.....  the way i did things here, i think i somehow managed to make it so i dont need to edit the menu list..... wtf???  one sec
[03:54] <zgmf-x20a> WHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAATTTTTTTTTTTT!!!!!!!!!!!!
[03:54] <zgmf-x20a> i did!?!?!!??!?!?
[03:54] <zgmf-x20a> THATS AWESOME!!!
[03:55] <flaccid> no shouting please
[03:55] <Berzerker> how would I rearrange groups in kopete
[03:55] <Berzerker> ?
[03:55] <zgmf-x20a> Biovore: guy, i found a different way to do it so you dont have to edit anything man
[03:55] <zgmf-x20a> it jsut... does it
[03:56] <zgmf-x20a> sick....
[03:56] <Biovore> ok cool..  some program you run.. something has to update menu.lst..
[03:56] <flaccid> update-grub ?
[03:56] <zgmf-x20a> honestly, i just was using the xp vista install disk, and the live cd for 6.10 for kubuntu
[03:57] <zgmf-x20a> and the laptop is NOT connected to the net or anything
[03:57] <Biovore> yeah... if you have windows installed when you install linux.. it should add windows to the menu.lst automaticly..
[03:58] <zgmf-x20a> ooooooooooh ok ok, thats what happened then.  i partianed with vista and left a seperate partian for what i would use for kubuntu.  then live cd installed to that partian.
[03:59] <zgmf-x20a> unfortunatley i have to do everything all over again bc i didnt realize vista took up 10gb,,,,,,
[03:59] <zgmf-x20a> how irritating....
[04:00] <Biovore> well if you install windows again.. you can reinstall grub from windows.. or just use the cd and do a rescue..
[04:00] <Biovore> won't have to reinstall linux..
[04:01] <zgmf-x20a> true i can do that
[04:01] <zgmf-x20a> hey Biovore i have a question what is this 5.80 gb used for when installling vista?
[04:02] <Biovore> no clue.. as Microsoft..  probably graphics and bloat..
[04:03] <zgmf-x20a> actually im going to experiement and delete it, change it to fat32 and see if it can be utilized to swap data between both sides
[04:03] <zgmf-x20a> here goes
[04:03] <Biovore> 5.8 GB with vista gets you a OS with basicly nothing else..   5GB on kubuntu get you an OS and tons of apps..
[04:03] <Biovore> that works good.. :-)
[04:03] <Berzerker> how would I rearrange groups in kopete?
[04:03] <Biovore> ext2fsd on windows allows windows to work with ext3 filesystems..
[04:03] <zgmf-x20a> wait, that 5.8gb, is that kubuntu from the other side?
[04:03] <Biovore> no clue.. I never do that..
[04:03] <NickPresta> Biovore, considering a LiveCD image @ ~700MB has more than a vanilla install of Windows, I would say 5G in Kubuntu goes quite a ways. :)
[04:04] <Biovore> NickPresta: yes yes.. :-)
[04:04] <zgmf-x20a> hey Biovore that isnt the kubuntu install is it?
[04:04] <Biovore> no..
[04:05] <zgmf-x20a> ok cool thanks
[04:05] <Biovore> I think its 2GB for kubuntu default..
[04:05] <Biovore> under that
[04:06] <zgmf-x20a> well, were about to find out.  lol
[04:06] <Biovore> ok hf..
[04:06] <mrksbrd> how do you format a ntfs usb drive to linux format?
[04:07] <flaccid> !format
[04:07] <ubotu> Partitioning programs: !GParted or QTParted (also "man mkfs" for formatting) - Mounting partitions in Gnome under Dapper: System -> Administration -> Disks - For Edgy, see !fstab and !DiskMounter
[04:07] <mrksbrd> ty
[04:08] <zgmf-x20a> Biovore: yah, dude it works fine....  it was randomly created by vista during the install...
[04:08] <flaccid> np
[04:08] <Biovore> what was created randomly?
[04:09] <mrksbrd> !diskmounter
[04:09] <ubotu> To view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions - See also !fuse
[04:09] <zgmf-x20a> that 5.80gb partian during the install.  but whatever i will use it as fat32 swap area between the systems
[04:11] <flaccid> !info konqueror
[04:11] <ubotu> konqueror: KDE's advanced file manager, web browser and document viewer. In component main, is optional. Version 4:3.5.6-0ubuntu20.1 (feisty), package size 1992 kB, installed size 5324 kB
[04:17] <Angelus> any help please? my custom kernel is freezing at boot when it comes to "begining: waiting for root filesystem... ... "
[04:17] <Angelus> it stays like that
[04:17] <aaron> i need help recompiling ntop.
[04:17] <aaron> anyone?
[04:17] <Biovore> !kernel
[04:18] <ubotu> kernel is the core of the Ubuntu Operating System (named 'Linux') - see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Kernel.  You shouldn't have to compile one, but if you're convinced you do, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelCustomBuild
[04:18] <Angelus> dud
[04:18] <Angelus> i know how to build a kernel
[04:18] <Angelus> i builded alot
[04:18] <Angelus> im seeing this error for the first time
[04:18] <flaccid> ##linux or #kernel might be able to help
[04:18] <Angelus> on kubuntu
[04:18] <Angelus> :/
[04:18] <Biovore> udev makes life unhappy..
[04:19] <Angelus> im trying to boot the latest kernel from kernel.org
[04:19] <mneptok> Angelus: why?
[04:19] <Biovore> I do too.. newer OSes like the latest redhat, Suse and ubuntu..  have a newer build procedure..
[04:19] <JackPhil> does kaffeine-xine support sub/idx subtitles?
[04:19] <Biovore> Angelus: have to have udev support and a ramdisk..
[04:19] <keen> can i get some help with compiz?
[04:19] <Biovore> !beryl
[04:19] <ubotu> beryl is a window manager that takes advantage of an OpenGL accelerated X environment. Help in #ubuntu-effects
[04:20] <Angelus> i have the ramdisk img, and it loaded.
[04:20] <keen> i can't get window decorations because compiz-kde crashes everytime i try to start it?
[04:20] <keen> any ideas?
[04:20] <Biovore> nope.. it beta wear.. expect pain..
[04:21] <mneptok> Angelus: why do you need a custom kernel?
[04:21] <Angelus> cause its 2 versions above kubuntu's?
[04:21] <Angelus> i like to have the latest things
[04:21] <Angelus> ;p
[04:21] <Biovore> and..
[04:21] <mneptok> so?
[04:21] <Biovore> newer isn't better..
[04:21] <Biovore> :-P
[04:21] <Angelus> ah...
[04:22] <Angelus> im not a pro, and i think many different from you
[04:22] <Angelus> lol
[04:22] <Arwen> Biovore, it should. Disclaimer: I use MPlayer and nothing else.
[04:22] <mneptok> what failures did you have with the stock Ubuntu kernel?
[04:22] <Biovore> Arwen: ?
[04:22] <Arwen> oh wait, wrong user
[04:22] <Arwen> JackPhil, what I said
[04:22] <Biovore> hehe
[04:23] <Angelus> mneptok: as i told you , not a matter of failure , matter of attitude
[04:23] <Angelus> :p
[04:23] <mneptok> Angelus: ever heard the phrase "if it ain't broke, don't fix it?"
[04:23] <Biovore> well basicly you probably don't want to go down the kernel road unless you are a pro..
[04:24] <Biovore> I have done it before.. and basicly it a big job..
[04:24] <Angelus> compiling a kernel is the third think i learned on linux
[04:24] <Angelus> i have done it 100times on gentoo
[04:24] <Angelus> lol
[04:24] <flaccid> why you need to recompile the kernel for in this case?
[04:24] <Biovore> yes.. works deferenty in the big boy world though..
[04:26] <Biovore> Angelus: ubuntu kernel has added patches to it..
[04:26] <Angelus> ah
[04:26] <Angelus> i see
[04:27] <flaccid> but is there any need in this case for kernel re-compilation
[04:28] <Biovore> probably not..
[04:28] <mneptok> definitely not
[04:28] <Biovore> unless your doing something very custom..
[04:28] <Biovore> and in that case.. you probably shouldn't be using ubuntu..
[04:29] <flaccid> ubuntu is desktop operating system
[04:29] <flaccid> yeah i agree leave the custom stuff to do on things like gentoo and debian
[04:31] <keen> any one know why kde window decorator keeps crashing when i start compiz?
[04:31] <Biovore> nope..
[04:31] <Biovore> not officaly supported
[04:31] <flaccid> keen: #ubuntu+1
[04:31] <Arwen> !compiz
[04:31] <ubotu> Compiz (compositing window manager) and XGL (X server architecture layered on top of OpenGL) - Howto at http://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager - Help in #ubuntu-effects
[04:31] <flaccid> i mean #ubuntu-effects
[04:32] <keen> nobody talks in there =(
[04:32] <Biovore> exactly.. :-P
[04:35] <firecrotch> So I'm looking for a way of controlling my home server, running Kubuntu, from my cell phone.  I was thinking I could use email to do it, since I can send SMS messages to email addresses
[04:35] <firecrotch> does anyone have any ideas on how I could do that?
[04:36] <mneptok> firecrotch: i use my cell phone to control my machies. i call my girlfriend and tell her what to do. ;)
[04:36] <firecrotch> mneptok: my girlfriend breaks stuff just being in the same room as my server ;)
[04:37] <mneptok> wind?
[04:37] <FrankH> fc: can you do ssh through your phone?
[04:37] <hitmanWilly> firecrotch, it may be possible, you'd have to do some pretty heavy scripting, but maybe use a fetchmail daemon and cat your inbox file while grepping for specific cmds
[04:37] <mneptok> "Why is Apache not running? And what smells like an open grave?"
[04:37] <firecrotch> FrankH: Nope, my phone isn't that advanced.
[04:38] <mneptok> firecrotch: you in the US?
[04:38] <firecrotch> hitmanWilly: Thanks for the suggestion.
[04:38] <firecrotch> mneptok:  Yes.
[04:38] <mneptok> firecrotch: http://www.buy.com/prod/nokia-770-internet-tablet-internet-tablet-2006-software-edition/q/loc/101/204081472.html
[04:39] <hitmanWilly> firecrotch, dangit, now you've gone and given me ideas :)
[04:39] <firecrotch> mneptok:  that would be nice if I could afford it
[04:39] <mneptok> firecrotch: grim.
[04:40] <firecrotch> hitmanWilly: you know what? This whole thing gives me the motivation to write an actual program to do it
[04:40] <hitmanWilly> firecrotch, the main issue would be implementing sudo cmds, but that could be done by forking the script to the background as the root user, though that isn't really all that secure
[04:41] <mneptok> firecrotch: your phone run Java apps?
[04:41] <keen> how do you tell a program to start up when you log on?
[04:41] <hitmanWilly> keen, in kde or in general?
[04:41] <firecrotch> mneptok:  Yes, but I have no way to put my own on it, unless I were to hack it to death
[04:42] <flaccid> !autostart
[04:42] <ubotu> To make programs autostart with your KDE session, you can make a link to it in ~/.kde/Autostart. The package 'kcontrol-autostart' makes a kcontrol item for handling items in that directory.
[04:42] <pxj> anybody?
[04:43] <firecrotch> hitmanWilly:  Now I want to learn C or C++ or something useful besides PHP
[04:43] <pxj> well
[04:43] <pxj> that's great
[04:43] <hitmanWilly> firecrotch, bash scripting should be sufficent in this case
[04:43] <flaccid> #bash rules
[04:44] <keen> hitmanwilly: kde
[04:44] <hitmanWilly> wow, a lot of hostility in here tonight...
[04:44] <firecrotch> hitmanWilly:  true, but it would be cool to make a program that others could easily use
[04:44] <flaccid> murchadh: because we are not an intelligent race
[04:44] <hitmanWilly> keen, see the link from ubotu then
[04:44] <flaccid> learn java :p
[04:44] <keen> ya just saw it
[04:45] <keen> i'm a bit slow atm, just installed kde for first time and learning it
[04:45] <hitmanWilly> ugh, id say python instead, java is S....L....O....W....
[04:46] <contrast83> hitmanWilly: You might check out Kommander
[04:47] <murchadh> Oney messin' guys!
[04:47] <murchadh> I like it in here.
[04:48] <hitmanWilly> firecrotch, id say have a fetchmail daemon running that grabs your mail every, say, 5 mins, set up for a dedicated acct, then grep the mailbox for say, "exec", then run everything after that cmd, but that's just how i'd implement it
[04:48] <Schuenemann> is the a program for copying copy-protected cds?
[04:49] <albertmk> is it a problem to run gedit on Kubuntu?
[04:49] <hitmanWilly> Schuenemann, try k9copy
[04:49] <contrast83> albertmk: use kate instead
[04:49] <albertmk> ok
[04:49] <contrast83> or kwrite
[04:49] <Schuenemann> isn't it for dvd only?
[04:49] <hitmanWilly> Schuenemann, or k3b does it too, IIRC
[04:49] <Schuenemann> hitmanWilly, how? I can't find a suitable option
[04:49] <hitmanWilly> Schuenemann, or dd :)
[04:50] <Schuenemann> I want to extract the image
[04:50] <contrast83> K3b requires you to have DVD9's though, if that's what you're copying them. It won't shrink them to DVD5's like K9Copy will
[04:50] <Schuenemann> it's a cd, not dvd
[04:50] <contrast83> if that's what you're copying from*
[04:50] <contrast83> ohh, cd. sorry, didn't read above.
[04:51] <Schuenemann> hitmanWilly, which k3b option is it?
[04:51] <jhutchins> Schuenemann: dd
[04:51] <Schuenemann> what is dd?
[04:51] <hitmanWilly> Schuenemann, try this in a konsole: if=/dev/cdrom of=<filename>.iso
[04:51] <jhutchins> A bash command.
[04:52] <hitmanWilly> Schuenemann, its a bit for bit dump from one file (or stdin) to another
[04:52] <jhutchins> Schuenemann: he means dd if=/dev/cdrom of=/path/<name>.iso
[04:52] <jhutchins> Schuenemann: Whether that iso will burn correctly is questionable, but it will read it.
[04:52] <hitmanWilly> jhutchins, that's what i just said, well, sort of :)
[04:53] <Schuenemann> really? =/
[04:53] <jhutchins> hitmanWilly: Well, I did think that leaving out the command might be significant.
[04:53] <Schuenemann> not very helpful to have a non-burneable iso
[04:53] <hitmanWilly> iso files are uncompressed, so it should burn just fine, i would think
[04:53] <Schuenemann> I/O error
[04:53] <jhutchins> Schuenemann: Well, not knowing the exact copy protection you have, I can't be sure, but you can: try it!
[04:54] <Schuenemann> is it really /dev/cdrom?
[04:54] <jhutchins> Schuenemann: Pastebin the whole error.
[04:54] <jhutchins> Schuenemann: Oh, the drive should NOT be mounted.
[04:54] <hitmanWilly> Schuenemann, you may have to sudo that as well since root owns everything in /dev
[04:54] <Tomi-idle> i got a problem with a folder showing up as a file with terabytes of size. how do i remove the file?
[04:55] <jhutchins> (Which might be a bit of a struggle with our all-automatic 'buntus.)
[04:55] <Schuenemann> nah, same error with sudo
[04:55] <Schuenemann> well, the cd is mounted
[04:55] <hitmanWilly> Schuenemann, in konsole, umount /dev/cdrom
[04:55] <jhutchins> Tomi-idle: First check the disk with fsck.
[04:55] <Schuenemann> did it
[04:55] <hitmanWilly> Schuenemann, try again
[04:55] <hitmanWilly> Schuenemann, the dd cmd
[04:56] <Schuenemann> same error
[04:56] <jhutchins> Tomi-idle: close everything, then in a console do sudo shutdown -F -r now
[04:56] <Schuenemann> sudo dd if=/dev/cdrom of=/home/otto/Desktop/aaa.iso
[04:56] <hitmanWilly> Schuenemann, pastebin the whole error please
[04:56] <jhutchins> Schuenemann: check sudo mount to see if it's mouted.
[04:56] <hitmanWilly> !paste
[04:56] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[04:56] <Tomi-idle> jhutchins: k thx
[04:56] <Schuenemann> it's not mounted, it vanished from /media
[04:57] <jhutchins> check to be sure.
[04:57] <Schuenemann> chcked
[04:57] <jhutchins> k
[04:57] <jhutchins> Schuenemann: Any more to the error that that?
[04:58] <Schuenemann> I'll type the whole error
[04:58] <albertmk> I need something like gksudo for Kubuntu.
[04:58] <hitmanWilly> albertmk, kdesu
[04:58] <albertmk> thanks
[04:58] <albertmk> Ubuntu seems a little bit different from Kubuntu
[04:59] <hitmanWilly> albertmk, only difference is gnome vs kde
[04:59] <flaccid> i don't think there is a qtsudo
[04:59] <flaccid> you need root in X i think
[04:59] <keen> omg...i think i hate kde.....
[04:59] <flaccid> ie. only kdesu
[04:59] <jhutchins> !kdesu | albertmk
[04:59] <ubotu> albertmk: In KDE, use  kdesu  to run graphical applications with root privileges when you have to. Do *not* use  sudo <GUI application> ; you can muck up your permissions/config files. For what to use in GNOME, see !gksudo
[04:59] <hitmanWilly> keen, why is that?
[05:00] <flaccid> i would ask about kde/sudo in #kde
[05:00] <Schuenemann> hitmanWilly, http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/34840/
[05:00] <Schuenemann> oops, sorry
[05:00] <Schuenemann> jhutchins, http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/34840/
[05:01] <keen> hitmanwilly: i can't get my windows key to be recognized as <Super>....compiz-core says it can be upgraded....downloads the stuff, upgrades, but it really doesn't upgrade.....i can't make it so that i can select a window just clicking on one....
[05:01] <jhutchins> Schuenemann: Actually, that's a reasonable file size.
[05:01] <jhutchins> see if you can mount the iso via loopback.
[05:01] <Schuenemann> 5 MB is not reasonable for window
[05:01] <Schuenemann> windows*
[05:02] <hitmanWilly> lol
[05:02] <jhutchins> !loopback | Schuenemann
[05:02] <ubotu> Schuenemann: To mount an ISO disc image, type  sudo mount -o loop <ISO-filename> <mountpoint>  - There is a list of useful cd image conversion tools at http://wiki.linuxquestions.org/wiki/CD_Image_Conversion - Always verify the ISO using !MD5 before !burning.
[05:02] <Schuenemann> and the message said "error" :-p
[05:02] <NickPresta> keen, I have done all those things you have trouble with. Perhaps you should explain each individual problem? Also, Compiz-Fusion is fairly alpha. You may want to try Beryl until Compiz is more stable.
[05:02] <mneptok> keen: do you *need* compositing?
[05:02] <flaccid> an io error will usually be physical damage on disk or problem with partition/fs
[05:02] <keen> nickpresta: well i just came from gnome  where compizfusion ran perfectly....makes me sad
[05:02] <contrast83> keen: i had a lot of problems using compiz-fusion from the repo's. you might try installing straight from GIT
[05:03] <jhutchins> Schuenemann: well, when it hits the bad tracks that are part of the copy protection, that shows as an error.
[05:03] <Schuenemann> I think that error is the protection
[05:03] <Schuenemann> I used the cd last week
[05:03] <hitmanWilly> lol, never thought id hear beryl and stable in the same sentence
[05:03] <Schuenemann> jhutchins, yeah, that's what I think
[05:03] <NickPresta> hitmanWilly, I would say it is far more stable than CF
[05:03] <jhutchins> Schuenemann: yes, probably.  vista?  (I misread the size)
[05:03] <NickPresta> hitmanWilly, at least in my experiences with both Beryl and CF
[05:03] <Schuenemann> it's xp
[05:03] <jhutchins> hitmanWilly: I use them together all the time - with the word NOT.
[05:03] <contrast83> keen: check and see what backend you're using in ccsm, also. changing that *might* help
[05:04] <keen> contrast83: well i tried new repos tonight, from the amanarath (sp) guide....buy they seem to not work well
[05:04] <hitmanWilly> yeah, well, that's like saying a two legged table is more stable than a one legged one, but i digress :P
[05:04] <jhutchins> keen: compiz was developed for gnome.
[05:04] <NickPresta> hitmanWilly, I think that is a fairly apt comparison :)
[05:04] <contrast83> keen: that was my experience with them also... you're on feisty, right?
[05:04] <keen> contrast83: ya, feisty
[05:04] <jhutchins> keen: kde and copiz don't totally agree about which gets to control what bits.
[05:04] <contrast83> keen: one sec...
[05:05] <Schuenemann> jhutchins, it was mounted, but I can't believe the ISO is only 5 MB
[05:05] <keen> contrast83: where do i tell my back end....it says gnome-terminal if thats what you mean
[05:05] <jhutchins> Schuenemann: I'd do some googling, there is probably a way around it in linux.
[05:05] <jhutchins> Schuenemann: Well, compressed?  Is it vista?
[05:05] <Schuenemann> no, xp
[05:05] <jhutchins> Hm...
[05:05] <Schuenemann> VERY compressed? :p
[05:05] <contrast83> keen: http://forum.compiz-fusion.org/showthread.php?t=1985 - that walks you through compiling from git. that's the best way to go imo
[05:06] <jhutchins> I have a XP SP2 ISO that's not protected.
[05:06] <keen> contrast83: thanks i'll give it a try
[05:06] <Schuenemann> where did you get it?
[05:06] <hitmanWilly> hmmm, an iso of windows xp, i smell redmond being very irritated...lol
[05:06] <jhutchins> Um... local computer shop.  (US)
[05:06] <Schuenemann> jhutchins, I'd use windows for that if needed, but I can't find any free program for that
[05:06] <jhutchins> hang on a sec...
[05:06] <Schuenemann> the shop sold the ISO?
[05:07] <jhutchins> 564.5MB
[05:07] <Schuenemann> I copied the CD from the university, but the morons there do not allow me to copy the ISO
[05:07] <jhutchins> Schuenemann: No, it sold the disk.
[05:07] <contrast83> keen: compizconfig settings manager is where you'd change your backend. i don't have cf installed on this comp so i can't find exactly where it's at, but i think it's under advanced settings or preferences (in the left column under the listing of all the different types of plugins)
[05:07] <Schuenemann> and you extracted without any problems?
[05:07] <jhutchins> Schuenemann: Ah, well yours is probably bulk licensed to the U so you don't need a key.
[05:07] <Schuenemann> I need a key
[05:07] <Rudz> How do i access windows files from Kubuntu which runs on vmware?
[05:08] <jhutchins> Oh.  Well, in that case, an iso should be easy to come by.
[05:08] <keen> contrast83: i have kde backend...should i try another?
[05:08] <Schuenemann> maybe I should copy to my pen drive when they're not seeing
[05:08] <Schuenemann> jhutchins, easy to come by?
[05:09] <hitmanWilly> actually, if you have a key, you should be able to download a non-cracked iso file almost anywhere
[05:09] <contrast83> keen: you can try changing it and seeing if it fixes anything. sometimes it does, but ymmv
[05:09] <hitmanWilly> Schuenemann, worst case there's always torrentspy :P
[05:10] <Schuenemann> but that would be cracked or something... or not?
[05:10] <hitmanWilly> Schuenemann, maybe or maybe not, but I see no ethical problems with it if you have a legit key
[05:11] <Schuenemann> if it's cracked I'll have no chances of using the key :-p
[05:11] <jhutchins> Schuenemann: Actually, the stock iso is pretty easy to get, uncracked, because it requires a key to install.
[05:11] <keen> contrast83: well it fixed one problem by switching to gnome
[05:11] <Schuenemann> where? from MS site?
[05:11] <jhutchins> Schuenemann: Do you have the key as just the numbers, or do you have the special little mS sticker?
[05:12] <jhutchins> Schuenemann: Actually, yes, but you need a msdn id.
[05:12] <keen> contrast83: do you know how to get kde to recognize my win key as <Super>
[05:12] <hitmanWilly> Schuenemann, don't know, tend to avoid ms whenever possible
[05:12] <Schuenemann> I have the numbers
[05:12] <jhutchins> Ah.
[05:12] <Schuenemann> and a msdnAA id
[05:12] <Schuenemann> AA = academic alliance
[05:12] <jhutchins> If you had the sticker, you'd be able to download the iso.
[05:12] <jhutchins> Schuenemann: Er, sorry, with the sticker you could get an iso/cd from a MS dealer.
[05:13] <jhutchins> Schuenemann: Worth logging in and looking around then.
[05:13] <Schuenemann> maybe I should send them an email asking for a solution
[05:13] <hitmanWilly> jhutchins, is that like a drug dealer? :P
[05:13] <jhutchins> hitmanWilly: Yeah, but not as beneficial to society.
[05:13] <hitmanWilly> lol
[05:13] <Schuenemann> eheheh
[05:14] <contrast83> keen: umm... i could be wrong, but i think <Win> and <Super> are just two names for the same thing.
[05:14] <Schuenemann> I can't download
[05:14] <jhutchins> Schuenemann: My msdn id expired several years ago (I checked a while back), so I don't know, but you might be able to find it on msdn.
[05:14] <Schuenemann> the only option available is "bring a blank cd to the university and copy it"
[05:14] <keen> contrast83: then why doesn't compiz notice when i press the key?
[05:15] <jhutchins> keen: 'cause 'buntu's keyboard maps are squirrelly.
[05:15] <hitmanWilly> keen, kde takes over super for its own things, IIRC
[05:15] <tomi> running fdsk on the partition right now
[05:15] <contrast83> hitmanWilly: that's only if kwin is running and the shortcut in question is also used by it
[05:16] <keen> hitmanwilly: oh...so how do i fix it?
[05:16] <tomi> it restarted fsck and suddenly my monitor went black?
[05:16] <tomi> hd is still running though
[05:16] <Schuenemann> I think I'll try to break into the lab and copy the ISO
[05:16] <tomi> is this a problem or normal for monitor to lose signal during fsck? i used the "shutdown -F -f now"
[05:16] <contrast83> keen: what happens when you try to set a new shortcut in CompizConfig using the Win key?
[05:16] <jhutchins> tomi: Yeah, sorry, i tried to tell you what it would do but you were already gone.
[05:17] <hitmanWilly> Schuenemann, it could have just been a bad burn on the cd as well
[05:17] <jhutchins> tomi: It _should_ come back when it's done.
[05:17] <keen> nothing
[05:17] <keen> contrast83: nothing....
[05:17] <tomi> jhutchins: ok, just haven't backed up data in 8 years ^^;;;
[05:17] <Schuenemann> hitmanWilly, but I used on sunday
[05:17] <Schuenemann> used it*
[05:17] <tomi> jhutchins: so i got a bit scared.. heh
[05:17] <contrast83> keen: do you have the ring and/or shift switcher enabled?
[05:17] <tomi> fsck shouldn't screw up anything right?
[05:18] <jhutchins> Schuenemann: Well, it could have been damaged since, or it could be, as you say, copy protected.  After all, I would assume that if all you have is a burned CD and a number, you don't have an actual XP license.
[05:18] <jhutchins> Schuenemann: The schools do have to avoid giving out free copies of XP beyond what they've agreed to and payed for.
[05:18] <keen> contrast83: shift switcher...i just tried with win again and it beeped at me
[05:18] <Schuenemann> jhutchins, isn't that number the license?
[05:18] <keen> contrast83: like kde hates my win key...
[05:19] <jhutchins> keen: Actual support for kubuntu on compiz/beryl is in #ubuntu-effects (combined).
[05:19] <jhutchins> Schuenemann: No, it's a key.
[05:19] <contrast83> keen: it's not kde's fault that most of the compiz devs use gnome. ;-)
[05:19] <jhutchins> Schuenemann: Supposedly attached to a license.
[05:19] <Schuenemann> well, a licensed key
[05:19] <keen> jhutchiins: lol i'm in there too, hard to get anyone to talk in there
[05:19] <Schuenemann> the number was given by MS
[05:19] <NickPresta> keen, if you have /usr/bin/xmodmap, run it. It should show you the key modifiers. My Super key is assigned to mod4
[05:19] <jhutchins> Schuenemann: Onec it's copied down though, it's no longer a full license.
[05:19] <jhutchins> Schuenemann: Yes, but with restrictions.
[05:19] <Schuenemann> but the number was given exclusively to me
[05:20] <jhutchins> Schuenemann: By the school?
[05:20] <Schuenemann> no, by MS
[05:20] <contrast83> keen: do you have both the shift and ring switchers enabled, or just shift?
[05:20] <Schuenemann> that msdn page
[05:20] <jhutchins> Schuenemann: see, if you actually OWN the license, then you don't just get the number, you get the shiney/sparkly certificate.
[05:20] <Schuenemann> that's what I think
[05:21] <Schuenemann> there is an activation required when I first run xp
[05:21] <Schuenemann> online activation
[05:21] <jhutchins> Schuenemann: Hmmm.  Well, like I said, I've been out of msdn for a while.
[05:21] <jhutchins> Schuenemann: So why do you need to copy the CD in the first place?
[05:21] <hitmanWilly> my guess is that its a bulk license, like they use for corporate customers
[05:21] <jhutchins> hitmanWilly: Mine too.
[05:21] <Biovore> actualy.. with windows XP and vista.. you don't OWN squat..
[05:21] <Biovore> your renting it..
[05:21] <tomi> lol
[05:21] <Biovore> at MS will
[05:21] <jhutchins> Biovore: Well, according to the digital mafia.
[05:21] <Schuenemann> because if it gets borked I'll have to go to school to record another, and it might be on sunday, or their computer might be broken, or many more boring situations
[05:22] <Biovore> Accoring to the EULA
[05:22] <NickPresta> keen, http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=1896988&postcount=12 Replace nano with vim/kate/whatever.
[05:22] <tomi> Schuenemann: so the activation doesn't work?
[05:22] <Schuenemann> it does work heh
[05:22] <jhutchins> Schuenemann: Did they say anythnig about copy protection?
[05:22] <Biovore> not sure..
[05:22] <Schuenemann> they == school?
[05:22] <jhutchins> Schuenemann: Yeah, or the MSDN site.
[05:23] <jhutchins> Schuenemann: Anything like 'you can't make backups"?
[05:23] <Schuenemann> the school didn't say anything, but I asked for the ISO and they said they're not allowed to give it
[05:23] <jhutchins> ah.
[05:23] <Schuenemann> not that I know of
[05:23] <jhutchins> The plot thickens.
[05:23] <jhutchins> I'd take the CD back and say "it's b0rked, won't read beyond the first six MB".
[05:24] <Schuenemann> hehehe
[05:24] <jhutchins> Seriously - it might very well be.
[05:24] <Schuenemann> I don't think so... I tried recording I while ago, it had the same "problem"
[05:24] <Schuenemann> but installed fine
[05:24] <hitmanWilly> if dd doesn't read it, then that's the most likely cause i would say
[05:24] <jhutchins> The key is the only thing you had to enter to install?
[05:25] <Schuenemann> yes
[05:25] <Schuenemann> and there is the activation, when it is first ran
[05:25] <jhutchins> I'd say there's a good chance it's bad then.
[05:25] <jhutchins> Schuenemann: Right, on-line.
[05:25] <Schuenemann> correct
[05:27] <jhutchins> This has been so TOTALLY offtopic. Schuenemann If we need to continue, pleas hail me in kubuntu-oftopic.  (I'm looking for more info & iso's now)
[05:27] <Schuenemann> heh
[05:27] <Schuenemann> I'd better go sleep now
[05:27] <Schuenemann> thanks
[05:28] <Schuenemann> bye
[05:28] <jhutchins> Let us know how it turns out.
[05:31] <mrksbrd> ok i need some help!!!!
[05:31] <mrksbrd> i did this for fat32..........https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MountingWindowsPartitions#head-58b0f4b165129f43a80bba6c1c4227c490efa119
[05:32] <mrksbrd> but still not showing up on desktop & std it is already mounted
[05:32] <Dr_willis> check in media:/ not in /media/ ?
[05:32] <Dr_willis> or if the mount command shows it.. just enter its path /media/whatever in a address bar in konqueror
[05:33] <jhutchins> mrksbrd: re-mount it with the new options.
[05:33] <tomi> fsck still running... starting to get nervous <.<
[05:34] <Whiz2> I'm trying to mount a drive to a directory on a different drive, and for some reason, it keeps mounting to /media/hdb1 instead of /media/hdc1/download am i doing something wrong?
[05:35] <Dr_willis> Whiz2,  i would guess so., :)
[05:35] <Whiz2> i edited my fstab, then rebooted, but it still mounts there
[05:35] <mrksbrd> jhutchins:i attempted to remount it exactly how the article stated & still nothing
[05:35] <Dr_willis> you mount hdc1 first, then you mount the other drive to /media/hcd1/whatever
[05:36] <Dr_willis> im guessing somthing  fundamental is the issue. perhaps the order of the mounts in fstab. ?
[05:36] <Whiz2> Dr_willis: does that mean in fstab,hdc1 should higher in the list?
[05:36] <Dr_willis> I would guess so,
[05:36] <jhutchins> Can't think of the factoid for the Mobile Intel 945GM Express Chipset - anybody?
[05:36] <Whiz2> i didn't realize the list order in fstab wasimportant
[05:36] <Dr_willis> well SOMTHING has to get mounted first..
[05:36] <mrksbrd> drive is /dev/sda1, so i configured it as that
[05:36] <jhutchins> mrksbrd: mount -a just mounts un-mounted drives.
[05:36] <Whiz2> lol
[05:36] <Whiz2> true ty i will try that...
[05:37] <jhutchins> Whiz2: pastebin the fstab.
[05:37] <jhutchins> mrksbrd: so sudo mounte /dev/sda1 -o remount
[05:37] <jhutchins> er, mount.
[05:37] <mrksbrd> oh ok
[05:38] <jhutchins> Still looking for a good keyboard.
[05:38] <Tomi-idle> jhutchins: thx for the shutdown attributes :)
[05:38] <jhutchins> mrksbrd: then sudo mount will tell you where it's mounted, and ls -l /where/it's/mounted will show you the permissions.
[05:39] <jhutchins> Tomi-idle: <grin> trying to mention them often enough that i will remember them next time I need them.
[05:39] <jhutchins> Tomi-idle: -F is "force disk check".
[05:39] <Whiz2> Dr_willis: another question... i have a webserver on the linux computer with a root of hdc1... if i mount that drive,then mount the other one as a directory of that drive, is it possible that I could use a URL thatpoints to something in that drive, and have it still work?
[05:40] <dero_> Hello and Goodbye
[05:40] <mrksbrd> let me try it....brb
[05:40] <Tomi-idle> jhutchins: yeah? didn't work for me. just got to plain root ;) but i did fsck manually
[05:40] <Whiz2> for example... http://serveraddy.net/download/filename (download would be the directory mounted to the other drive
[05:40] <Whiz2> )
[05:41] <mrksbrd> mount: can't find /dev/sda in /etc/fstab or /etc/mtab
[05:41] <mrksbrd> nevermind
[05:41] <Tomi-idle> it's sda(?)
[05:42] <Dr_willis> Whiz2,  should. but ive rarely messed with  webservers in that way
[05:46] <mrksbrd> jhutchins:i'm going to past u my fstab file, can u look it over for me, & tell me what i'm doing wrong............pls
[05:47] <jhutchins> I'll try.
[05:47] <Dr_willis>  /dev/sda  is wrong for a start
[05:47] <Dr_willis> :)
[05:47] <Dr_willis> unless you are mounting a cdrom.
[05:48] <Biovore> well /dev/sda could also a sata drive though..
[05:48] <mrksbrd> sda1 is for my usb HDD
[05:48] <Biovore> ^ or a usb drive :-)
[05:48] <mrksbrd> brb potty break
[05:49] <Dr_willis> sda is the driv.. but sda1 would be the Partition ON the drive. :)
[05:49] <Viperr> Hey people
[05:50] <Viperr> Can any of you guys give me any help on installing ATi radeon 1650 drivers, I cant get my desktop effects working on Ubuntu >.<
[05:51] <Dr_willis> Viperr,  install that restricted-manager tool and let it install the drivers - is what i normally do
[05:51] <Dr_willis> or read the !ati factoids and see what it suggests
[05:51] <Dr_willis> !ati
[05:51] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[05:52] <Viperr> Thanks guys :)
[05:52] <Whiz2> the server seems to be working correctly now.thank you
[05:57] <Whiz2> err.... maybe not...
[05:58] <firecrotch> Does anyone know of a program that can view Visio projects in Linux? Or am I going to be stuck trying to get Visio working in Wine?
[05:58] <genii> kvisio
[05:59] <Strogol> join #ubuntu-br
[05:59] <firecrotch> genii: are you sure that's the name of it?  apt can't find it
[06:00] <genii> lemme look again
[06:00] <genii> afk
[06:00] <Strogol> dfgh
[06:01] <firecrotch> genii:  found it, it's kivio
[06:01] <Strogol> join #ubuntu-br
[06:03] <firecrotch> Oh, it looks like kivio can't handle Visio projects
[06:04] <genii> Ah, damn
[06:04] <intelikey> hmmm how can two 128m mem sticks add up to     MemTotal:       223924 kB   ????
[06:05] <Tomi-idle> intelikey: one possibility is that your graphics card uses shared 32mb ram
[06:06] <intelikey> Tomi-idle being on-board that may be it...
[06:06] <intelikey> Tomi-idle it seems that it would/should still show in the total though
[06:07] <firecrotch> intelikey:  Mine doesn't show in the total
[06:07] <Tomi-idle> if the computers gives the 32mb ram for gfx card to use, it wont show up in the total
[06:07] <Tomi-idle> neither does on my laptop
[06:08] <intelikey> so i should see if there is a way in bios to reduce that waste.
[06:08] <Berzerker> how would I go about installing kickoff?
[06:08] <Tomi-idle> Berzerker: there might be a package for kubuntu in http://www.kde-apps.org
[06:09] <intelikey> !info kickoff
[06:09] <ubotu> Package kickoff does not exist in feisty, feisty-seveas
[06:09] <intelikey> nothing supported.
[06:09] <mrksbrd> ok i'm back
[06:09] <Berzerker> also
[06:09] <intelikey> i think i'll the bios for a way to reduce the shared mem
[06:09] <intelikey> back in a few.
[06:09] <mrksbrd> jhutchins:did the past apply to the channel?
[06:09] <Berzerker> how would I go about rearranging groups in kopete?
[06:13] <mrksbrd> dr_willis: u still there?
[06:14] <intelikey> ok turned share down from 32 to 8     wont go any lower.
[06:14] <intelikey> MemTotal:       248308 kB
[06:14] <Tomi-idle> if you're not gonna used 3d apps that's gonna be enough :)
[06:15] <intelikey> 3D on   0000:01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS]  630/730 PCI/AGP VGA Display Adapter (rev 31)
[06:15] <intelikey> ?
[06:16] <Tomi-idle> ?
[06:16] <intelikey> i'm saying i don't think that does  3D      am i wrong ?
[06:17] <Tomi-idle> if it has 32mb ram then i think it does 3d too
[06:18] <dd> Hi
[06:19] <intelikey> it has 64m of shared ram if i turn it up that high   but that wont make the   Driver  "sis"   support dri and 3d
[06:20] <Whiz2> ok... here's my situation... I'm trying to mount /dev/hdb1 to /media/hdc1/download I've edited my fstab so it should be working, but whenever I open "System" and check the properties of the drive, it still says it is mounted to /media/hdb1 and any files that are put into /media/hdc1/download do not appear there. what am i doing wrong?
[06:20] <dd> i'm using kubuntu 7.04 and i would like to know if i can change de mode of xorg.conf to 32 bits by default i'm using 24
[06:21] <intelikey> Whiz2   grep hdb1 /etc/fstab
[06:22] <Tomi-idle> dd: there's no need to change 24bit colors since it's the same thing
[06:22] <intelikey> dd i believe you will find "if you care to look into it" that 24 == 32   or should i say that 32 is actually only 24 bit
[06:23] <notv> what would cause the settings to suddenly change from high contrast to light grey
[06:23] <intelikey> Whiz2 are you going to show us the fstab line ?
 <Tomi-idle> ok i understand
[06:24] <notv> its as if totem and gaim briefly uncorporated my theme but then decided they didnt like it
[06:24] <dd> thanks
[06:24] <jhutchins> mrksbrd: No, you have to paste the uRL here.
[06:24] <jhutchins> I gotta crash anyway, sorry.
[06:24] <mrksbrd> k
[06:25] <dd> someone know how i can configure my motorla sm56 modem on linux
[06:25] <Whiz2> uhh yeah I can do that hang on I'll use pastebin to  give the entire fstab...
[06:25] <mrksbrd> dd, is it a aircard modem or reg 56k???????
[06:25] <intelikey> Whiz2 heh i only want one line.
[06:26] <Whiz2> ok gimme a sec, cuz i have to grab it from the other computer...
[06:26] <intelikey> oh   not networked ?
[06:27] <ari> hi. i just installed kubuntu 6.10 and upgraded to 7.04 and i think my computer is a little fucked up now. i'm desperately trying to install the required codecs to play goddamn mp3 songs but when amarok automatically asks me to download the stuff i need, it crashes and i get an error number whatever different each time. i've tried to install the codecs manually like i had to do with edgy but it doesn't seem very effective. i searched the packages i
[06:27] <ari> may need, i installed them but it still won't work and now i really don't know what to do. could someone help me please?
[06:28] <intelikey> hmmm someone called ari just triggered an autoignore
[06:28] <Whiz2> it's networked, but i can't access the fstab file straight from here... I never share my root drive :-p
[06:28] <ari> intelikey: i'm sorry?
[06:29] <Tomi-idle> [07:29]  <ari> intelikey: i'm sorry?
[06:30] <Tomi-idle> coffeeee :o~
[06:30] <genii> underdog5004: You alive over there? ;)
[06:30] <Vaelen> ari: If you go into Adept and search for 'mp3', see if 'Xine extra plugins' is checked under 'Multimedia'.
[06:31] <ari> Vaelen: i installed the libxine-extracodecs thing.
[06:31] <Vaelen> Ok, cool.  What sort of error are you getting?
[06:32] <genii> intelikey: Yup :) It the spoon don't stand up by itself it isn't worth drinkin :)
[06:32] <genii> It=If
[06:32] <Whiz2> here are both lines for both drives from my fstab
[06:32] <ari> as it may not seem, i searched a little trough the "fucking manual" but i didn't found what i needed so that's why i'm here asking questions and wasting your precious time.
[06:32] <mrksbrd> genii, are u any good @ mounting usb HDD's??
[06:32] <Whiz2> they are... /dev/hdc1 /media/hdc1 auto defaults,utf8,umask=000,uid=0,gid=46,auto,rw,user 0 1
[06:33] <genii> mrksbrd: It should be the same as for one which is internal. Of course what options you may need could vary depending on the filesystem on it or so on
[06:33] <Whiz2> currently the drive is not mounted at all
[06:33] <intelikey> Whiz2 ok and hdc1 is either ntfs or vfat      what the next line.
[06:33] <Whiz2> next line is commented out
[06:34] <mrksbrd> can't get it to work..........followed these directions  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MountingWindowsPartitions#head-58b0f4b165129f43a80bba6c1c4227c490efa119
[06:34] <intelikey> Whiz2 thought we were working on  hdb1  ?
[06:34] <Whiz2> hang on i'll just put the whole fstab into a pastebin
[06:34] <genii> mrksbrd: OK I'll look at that.AFK
[06:35] <intelikey> Whiz2 yeah do that.
[06:35] <mrksbrd> whiz, u talking to me?
[06:35] <Whiz2> intelikey: look at /dev/hdb1 in the paste i just gave ya here
[06:35] <genii> mrksbrd: You are running KDE or gnome?
[06:35] <Whiz2> that is the line you're looking at for the new drive
[06:35] <mrksbrd> kde
[06:35] <mrksbrd> over ubuntu
[06:35] <Whiz2> mrksbrd: nope talking to intelikey
[06:35] <intelikey> whiz there is no hdb in what you posted.
[06:35] <mrksbrd> k
[06:36] <Whiz2> grrr ok i'll use pastebin
[06:36] <mrksbrd> sounds like he is having same prob as I am
[06:36] <cassano> hello i need wireless help i have a  Broadcom Corporation BCM4303 802.11b Wireless and it requires a button to turn on and it currently wont work
[06:36] <genii> mrksbrd: Those instructions are Gnome-specific. Also they omit some sudo before, for instance mkdir /media/windows
[06:36] <intelikey> mrksbrd could be.   i haven't been able to get much out of him yet...
[06:37] <genii> mrksbrd: What fs is on the drive, ntfs or fat or what?
[06:37] <mrksbrd> hmmmmm
[06:37] <Whiz2> http://pastebin.ubuntu-nl.org/34847/
[06:37] <mrksbrd> tried f32, and ntfs
[06:37] <cassano> does anybody know what i should do?
[06:37] <genii> mrksbrd: Yes, but what filesystem was the drive formatted with?
[06:38] <genii> mrksbrd: Was it formatted at all yet?
[06:38] <mrksbrd> cassano, u might have to hit the func but combo to turn it on
[06:38] <Whiz2> intelikey: the drive will not automount at all
[06:38] <cassano> what is the func button?
[06:38] <mrksbrd> originally windows xp, then formatted it under linux
[06:38] <Whiz2> i have to manually mount it (by double clicking on the unmounted drive)
[06:38] <intelikey> Whiz2 ok you do know that you have to mount hdc1 first then there has to be i dir in the root of hdc1 named downloads and then you mount hdb1 on it  ???
[06:39] <mrksbrd> mine would be fn----F5
[06:39] <intelikey> Whiz2 looks like you may have  a race situation
[06:39] <Whiz2> eh?
[06:39] <Vaelen> cassano: Are you using this on a laptop?
[06:39] <Whiz2> if you will notice, hdc1 is mounted first
[06:40] <intelikey> you are mounting hdb1 on  "/media/hdc1/download"   perhaps that's a typo ?
[06:40] <Whiz2> and there is a download directory on the drive
[06:40] <genii> mrksbrd: When you formatted it under linux did you use a command like mkfs.vfat or a command more like mke2fs  or how ?
[06:40] <Whiz2> not a typo.the directory name is download
[06:40] <ari> Vaelen: in adept, the "xine etra plugins" is all gray and i can't (un)check it.
[06:40] <intelikey> Whiz2 it's a race   you need to not automaticly mount hdb1  but rather add a mount command in the /etc/rc.local for it.
[06:40] <mrksbrd> genii, b4 i formatted it under linux hangthedj instructed me on how to do it and it worked when i forced it to mount, but when I formatted it under linux can't even get the dialog box to pop up
[06:41] <Vaelen> ari: strange.... give me a sec to check something.
[06:41] <ari> thant you
[06:41] <ari> *thank
[06:41] <Whiz2> well nowI'm getting an issue where it's refusing to mount at all
[06:41] <mrksbrd> genii, used gparted
[06:41] <Whiz2> so I'm going to check it's format, and make it the same as hdc1
[06:42] <genii> mrksbrd: gparted is for the partitioning part of preparing a disk. Formatting the disk would be the next step after that, with some filesystem like ext2 or ntfs or vfat or so on.
[06:42] <intelikey> whiz2   /dev/hdb1 /media/hdc1/download auto defaults,utf8,umask=000,uid=0,gid=46,rw,user,noauto 0 0
[06:43] <intelikey> Whiz2 try that line   ^  in the fstab   and add    mount /media/hdc1/download      in the /etc/rc.local
[06:43] <mrksbrd> genii, it did ask me which file system i wanted to use, just asumed that was the format command
[06:43] <intelikey> that will keep it from being a race and still make it automatic mount at boot .
[06:44] <Whiz2> intelikey: hang on i just reformatted it to the correct filesystem... fonna see if that fixes it
[06:44] <genii> mrksbrd: Do you remember what you put when it asked what file system?
[06:44] <Berzerker> quesiton 1: what's the best IM client for linux
[06:44] <mrksbrd> right now it is fat32
[06:44] <intelikey> mrksbrd  vfat
[06:44] <mrksbrd> it did give me a option for ext3 as well
[06:44] <genii> mrksbrd: OK good, that is what I was trying to discover.
[06:45] <genii> mrksbrd: Do you know how to use pastebin website?
[06:45] <Okapi> hello to all
[06:45] <intelikey> Okapi
[06:45] <notv> why is it that my irc client goes along with my theme but other programs wont?
[06:46] <mrksbrd> sorta
[06:46] <intelikey> cause your irc client is better than other apps notv   ???
[06:46] <cassano> mrksbrd fn+f5 is the sleep button so my wireless didnt work
[06:46] <Berzerker> what is the best IM client for linux?
[06:46] <notv> but it worked for a few minutes, then switched to default or something
[06:46] <intelikey> Berzerker the one that you like.
[06:46] <Vaelen> ari: do you have aptitude installed?
[06:46] <Okapi> Is it any way you can see all applications you installed in your pc? I am usieng FEIST and want to see a list of all application are installed in my system.
[06:46] <notv> it worked right when i started my computer
[06:47] <Berzerker> intelikey: what's the one you like?
[06:47] <mrksbrd> cassano, depends on the brand computer what u need to push
[06:47] <intelikey> Berzerker i don't  im  so none of them
[06:47] <Berzerker> lol
[06:47] <ari> Vaelen: don't think so.
[06:47] <intelikey> !im
[06:47] <ubotu> Instant Messenger Clients: Gaim (GNOME, http://help.ubuntu.com/community/GaimHowto), Kopete (KDE), both supporting MSN, Jabber, AIM, Gadu-Gadu, Novell Groupwise, ICQ and IRC.
[06:47] <cassano> well its a compaq presario R3000
[06:47] <Flamzart> hello is there a way to chance the start menu wutton to the win button on the keyboard and what is the button kubuntu uses for it
[06:47] <cassano> with windows i just push the wirless button on the side
[06:48] <arun> anyone here used both kubuntu and ubuntu?
[06:48] <Vaelen> ari: try installing that first, it might be able to give us some better info on what's wrong with that package. (why it's greyed out, I mean): sudo apt-get install aptitude
[06:48] <genii> mrksbrd: The idea is that you hightlight text in a text editor or in a console/terminal on your computer, select to copy it, then go to the pastebin website, paste the text you copied into the webpage, submit it, then record the internet address it reports in the URL bar of your browser back here so we can go examine it.
[06:48] <mrksbrd> u want the fstab file?
[06:48] <ari> oh konsole returns me this: "
[06:48] <ari> E: Impossible de verrouiller /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Ressource temporairement non disponible)
[06:48] <ari> E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?
[06:49] <cassano> 5 hate not being able to get my wireless working
[06:49] <Vaelen> ari: You need to close Adept first.
[06:49] <cassano> if there is anybody willing to help i will do all that i can
[06:49] <ari> oops...
[06:49] <Vaelen> Adept is holding a lock on the software database. :)
[06:49] <genii> mrksbrd: What I want is the following:   contents of fstab file. result of the command blkid. result of the command fdisk -l  result of the command mount
[06:50] <underdog5004> genii, you around?
[06:50] <intelikey> file "/usr/local/bin/pastebin"
[06:50] <ari> someday i'm going to know what i'm doing with my computer...
[06:50] <intelikey> http://ubuntu.pastebin.us/39145
[06:50] <mrksbrd> fstab file........ http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/34849/
[06:50] <intelikey> script if anyone needs it.
[06:50] <ari> it tells me aptitude is installed and up to date
[06:51] <Vaelen> ari: Ok, sweet, then run: sudo aptitude
[06:51] <Whiz2> does linux mount the drives in the order they appear in the fstab?
[06:51] <mrksbrd> fdisk....... http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/34850/
[06:52] <Vaelen> ari: When it comes up, type a '/' to start searching, and then type the name of the xine extras package.
[06:52] <Vaelen> ari: when you find it, press enter and you'll get a screen with lots of information about the package.
[06:52] <intelikey> Whiz2 i told you you have created a race situation,   you probably wont get that to work.
[06:52] <ari> wich should be libxine-extracodecs ?
[06:53] <Vaelen> Right
[06:53] <intelikey> Whiz2  you could try putting hdc1 at the top and hdb1 at the bottom  but you are still liable to find it racing
[06:53] <mrksbrd> blkid........ http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/34851/
[06:53] <genii> mrksbrd: OK. You have in fstab the drive sda AND drive hda as well. What version of ubuntu are you using (6.06 6.10 7.04 or what) also do you have SCSI drives if using versions 6.06 or 6.10. If not 6.06 or 6.10 but 7.04 the usb drive should be likely sdb instead of hda
[06:53] <mrksbrd> 7.04
[06:54] <mrksbrd> no scsi
[06:54] <arun> has anyone here used both kubuntu and ubuntu? do kde apps run well on ubuntu?
[06:54] <mrksbrd> just internal & usb
[06:54] <arun> does gnome look better
[06:54] <intelikey> genii usb will be using scsi addressing
[06:54] <Whiz2> intelikey: i'm making the changes now
[06:54] <ari> what is it supposed to show me?
[06:54] <intelikey> arun yes yes
[06:54] <mrksbrd> arun, just install kde environment.......... sudo apt-get install kde
[06:54] <Vaelen> arun: yeah, kubuntu and ubuntu are the same base system.  For example, you can install kubuntu on an ubuntu system by installing the 'kubuntu-desktop' package.
[06:55] <genii> intelikey: Yes, but in 6.06/6.10 hda is IDE sda is scsi/sata
[06:55] <genii> scsi/sata/usb even
[06:55] <arun> i'm on kubuntu right now, just curious about ubuntu
[06:55] <andresj> arun, I installed ubuntu, and then kubuntu-desktop. apps run well, but the file assocications get messed up (instead of opening File Manager of GNOME, it opens Ark of KDE)
[06:55] <mrksbrd> arun, then u can boot to GNOME environment or KDE @ signin
[06:55] <arun> andresj: thanks for the warning
[06:55] <Berzerker> is there a way to dock an application to the side of the screen?
[06:55] <Vaelen> ari: I'll send you a screenshot.
[06:55] <intelikey> genii sda is scsi/sata/usb/(ide only on 6.10)   on all systems.
[06:56] <Okapi> Is it any way you can see all applications you installed in your pc? I am usieng FEIST and want to see a list of all application are installed in my system.
[06:56] <jhutchins> andresj: It's calling KDE apps when you're running gnome?
[06:56] <andresj> yes
[06:56] <intelikey> genii just didn't want you to over look an usb something....   i thought he mentioned usb at the onset.
[06:57] <intelikey> genii i wasn't trying to interfear.  just mentioning.
[06:57] <mrksbrd> andresj, .........som something sounds messed up, I have ubuntu as base, w/KDe environment and have no issues
[06:57] <genii> mrksbrd: Make sure usb drive is powered on. Then use pastebin website to report results of command: sudo fdisk -l
[06:57] <arun> do kde apps look bad in gnome, just like gnome apps dont quite fit in in kde?
[06:57] <genii> intelikey: On my 7.04 and 7.10 even all the ide are sdX
[06:57] <jhutchins> andresj: Whatever's responsible for that is certainly bad stuff.  They're supposed to be able to coexist.
[06:57] <mrksbrd> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/34850/
[06:58] <andresj> mrksbrd, but do you have gnome installed?
[06:58] <ari> damn :'( i went too fast and pressed the wrong button.
[06:58] <ari> i'm such a pain i'm sorry
[06:58] <intelikey> genii err ummm umh     i thought that they stopped using scsi emulation for ide in 7.4
[06:58] <andresj> jhutchins, they coexist, but apparently they use the same system for file assocications
[06:58] <mrksbrd> andresj, ubuntu is GNOME based
[06:58] <andresj> so they get overriden
[06:58] <jhutchins> mrksbrd: what's that the output of?
[06:59] <Vaelen> ari: No problem.  You pressed a wrong button in aptitude?
[06:59] <andresj> mrksbrd, yes, but you can uninstall gnome and install kde
[06:59] <Vaelen> ari: or with the screenshot?
[06:59] <arun> do kde apps 'fit in' well with gnome
[06:59] <Berzerker> anyone?
[06:59] <Vaelen> Berzerker: It depnds on the app.
[06:59] <ari> i pressed the wrong button while trying to accept your screenshot
[06:59] <mrksbrd> jhutchins, genii is trying to help me get the dagum usb to work
[06:59] <Berzerker> pidgin
[06:59] <arun> Berzerker: what do you mean by dock an application to the side of the screen
[06:59] <Vaelen> ari: one sec.
[06:59] <genii> mrksbrd: Change in your fstab file from hda1 to sdc1
[07:00] <Berzerker> make it so it takes up that area of the screen
[07:00] <Berzerker> nothing can be put behind it
[07:00] <andresj> arun, from my point of view kde apps look a little better on gnome; compared with gnome apps in kde
[07:00] <mrksbrd> genii, done
[07:00] <andresj> but they still don't fit well
[07:00] <ari> ok. i accepted it.
[07:00] <arun> Berzerker: there is an option to keep above others
[07:01] <arun> oh sorry
[07:01] <arun> that's not what you meant
[07:01] <arun> never mind
[07:01] <Berzerker> and that when things maximize, it will not be maximized past where the application is
[07:01] <genii> mrksbrd: Now try: sudo mount -a
[07:01] <mrksbrd> andresj, why would u uninstall GNOME?????????? why not just install Kububtu if u don't want it
[07:01] <arun> Berzerker: try the dock application bar?
[07:01] <Vaelen> ari: take a look at that.  If your display has anything in red, or mentions anything about something being broken, let me know.
[07:02] <andresj> mrksbrd, just pointing out it is possible, and that's the reason I asked you that... anyways, so when you run gnome, gnome apps open for files; and when you run kde, kde apps open?
[07:02] <Vaelen> ari: I probably have a newer version of you, don't let that throw you off. (I'm running the development version of kubuntu)
[07:02] <mrksbrd> right
[07:02] <Vaelen> Berzerker: The dock application bar gives you a place to put dock apps, but those apps have to be written to support it.
[07:02] <Berzerker> ?
[07:02] <mrksbrd> if your under KDE the progs for GNOME will not have an icon next to it
[07:02] <Berzerker> what's that?
[07:02] <intelikey> Berzerker sounds like a challange.   kicker might handle that,  i'm not sure.      add pannel and put only the dock on that.   kdocker  maybe       idk.
[07:02] <ari> well, there is no red thing in my aptitude thingy.
[07:03] <cassano> the damn Ubuntu forums wont load for me
[07:03] <ari> all black, grey and a little blue...
[07:03] <arun> Berzerker: right click on your panel, and select add new panel > dock application bar
[07:03] <andresj> mrksbrd, wierd... maybe I dind't install it right... I just did apt-get install kubuntu-desktop (well actually I did it via synaptic)
[07:03] <Berzerker> and how do I add things to it
[07:03] <mrksbrd> genii, ran it & still didn't place it on the desktop
[07:03] <mrksbrd> synaptic sux in my opinion
[07:03] <mrksbrd> manual all the way fo rme
[07:04] <arun> can i run stuff like konversation, kontact, etc in ubuntu? will my settings from kubuntu be retained?
[07:04] <mrksbrd> but as u i am still learning commands
[07:04] <genii> mrksbrd: You may also want to change iocharset=utf8,umask=000    to iocharset=utf8,umask=000,user,auto  in that same line that now has sdc1 instead of hda1
[07:04] <andresj> arun, what do you mean by settings from kubuntu being retained
[07:04] <andresj> ?
[07:04] <mrksbrd> andresj, i had 2 install it several x's before it was right, also try the alt cd version, not live cd
[07:05] <genii> mrksbrd: Save that change then redo: sudo mount -a
[07:05] <mrksbrd> k
[07:05] <andresj> mrksbrd, oh... well it doesn't matter right now... because I reinstalled the OS, so I overwrote everything... and just installed Kubuntu
[07:05] <arun> i mean, if i'm running both kubuntu and ubuntu, if i log into ubuntu and open konversation.. will stuff like fonts, colours, etc be retained
[07:05] <Vaelen> ari: Hmm, well the install doesn't seem to be broken then.
[07:06] <intelikey> arun if you install more than one *buntu-desktop  you may experance some settings filtering into the wrong DE   but if you install only one  *buntu-desktop and then add  kde gnome xfce  or what ever DE you like  you shouldn't have any problems    i never have anyway  and some others have expressed the same feeling on the matter
[07:06] <andresj> arun, I think it should... (not sure cause I haven't tried it for a while) but it should
[07:06] <Berzerker> how do I add things to the dock?
[07:06] <mrksbrd> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/34852/
[07:06] <Vaelen> Berzerker: You need 'WindowMaker' dock apps to use that panel.
[07:07] <Vaelen> Berzerker: Not just any app will run there, it has to be written for it.  Let me find you an example.
[07:07] <intelikey> mrksbrd did you pastebin    blkid   eariler ?
[07:07] <cassano> does this link work for anybody http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=25683
[07:07] <Whiz2> intelikey: can /etc/rc.local be used to run a command during startup as a specific user? (aka not as root)
[07:08] <Vaelen> Berzerker: http://dockapps.org/
[07:08] <Vaelen> I don't think that's what you want though.
[07:08] <arun> intelikey: so if i'm on kubuntu now, if i want to try gnome what should i do? i want to be able to select the DE when i log in
[07:08] <genii> mrksbrd: Then the drive is not vfat even though it's partition type says it is
[07:08] <Berzerker> oh...
[07:08] <Berzerker> 8-bit apps
[07:08] <intelikey> Whiz2 sure.   sudo -u name command    i think it is.
[07:08] <mrksbrd> hmmmmmm
[07:08] <intelikey> arun install   gnome
[07:08] <Vaelen> dockapps are basically apps that run in a 64x64 pixel window.
[07:09] <Whiz2> intelikey: if that is the case, rc.localdoes not execute on startup
[07:09] <ari> Vaelen: here is a screenshot of my aptitude thing: http://img530.imageshack.us/my.php?image=aptituderd6.jpg
[07:09] <Whiz2> how do i change it's execution bit?
[07:09] <genii> mrksbrd: OK. let us then format it that way then.
[07:09] <intelikey> Whiz2  you did put your command before the   "exit 0 "    didn't you ?
[07:09] <Whiz2> yes
[07:09] <Vaelen> ari: Ok, type '/libxine-extracodecs'
[07:09] <andresj> cassano, it doesn't work for me...
[07:09] <ari> it is in french but i suppose that the packages' names are the same...
[07:09] <Whiz2> this is an unrelatedcommandthat never runs
[07:10] <genii> mrksbrd:    sudo mkfs.vfat /dev/sdc1
[07:10] <Vaelen> ari: You should see the libxine-extracodecs package in the list then.  When it is highlighted you should be able to press enter.
[07:10] <andresj> cassano, no wait, it does
[07:10] <arun> intelikey: if i install gnome then how do i configure it so that i can select the DE when i log in? or does that happen automatically
[07:10] <genii> mrksbrd: When that is finished, do again:   sudo mount -a
[07:10] <Whiz2> intelikey: would it ask for the password when it runs likethat?
[07:10] <ari> apt-utils is highlighted.
[07:11] <Whiz2> i don't want my system to stop on boot requiring the password
[07:11] <intelikey> arun you don't configure it.   it will be in the list when you login  select the de you want and login
[07:11] <intelikey> Whiz2 no
[07:11] <Vaelen> ari: ok, try this.
[07:11] <arun> intelikey: and i can have separate settings for gnome and kde? as in, stuff like wallpapers, default apps, etc?
[07:11] <intelikey> yep
[07:12] <cassano> andresj i wish it would work for me its supposed to be a tutorial for how to get my wireless working
[07:12] <Vaelen> Click on 'Search' and then 'Find' (clicking should work even though it's a console app)
[07:12] <mrksbrd> brb...letme try
[07:12] <Vaelen> And type the package name in there.
[07:12] <andresj> cassano, it's very slow... try it again
[07:12] <mrksbrd> nope still getting that same error as the last paste!!!!
[07:12] <intelikey> arun and you can logout and log right back into another DE   just like the rest of us....
[07:12] <Whiz2> rebooting the server now... let's see if this works (on both counts)
[07:13] <arun> intelikey: nice.. you use two DEs as well?
[07:13] <intelikey> arun three
[07:13] <intelikey> well four actually but i hardly ever login xfce
[07:13] <cassano> i will on my other pc
[07:13] <trekdanne> four?
[07:13] <intelikey> yeah
[07:13] <mrksbrd> this is paste after format........ http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/34853/
[07:14] <trekdanne> gnome + kde + xfce + ?
[07:14] <andresj> cassano, if it doesn't work I have pasted the contents here: http://rafb.net/p/A6rcPX23.html
[07:14] <intelikey> trekdanne i had 7 DE's installed at one time
[07:15] <ari> doesn't work. libxine-extracodecs is a ghost package. it is a legend brought by the Old Developpers. lots of faithful linuxians tried to find it but they all failed in their quest.
[07:15] <Vaelen> haha
[07:15] <mrksbrd> genii, did u get the last 2 pastes???????
[07:15] <intelikey> kde twm xfce gnome fluxbox blackbox and icewm
[07:15] <ari> i guess i'm getting i little tired to tell such dumb things...
[07:16] <genii> mrksbrd: Yes. When you ran:   sudo mkfs.vfat /dev/sdc1     what did it do if anything?
[07:16] <trekdanne> nice, not sure you can call twm a "desktop enviroment" tho ;)
[07:16] <Vaelen> The package says it's a transitional package.  I wonder if there is a newer version of it...
[07:16] <cassano> andrej thank you
[07:16] <intelikey> well icewm either...  but for the present convo...
[07:16] <trekdanne> ah yea ofc
[07:16] <mrksbrd> light flashed on the drive then gave this msg...... http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/34853/
[07:17] <Vaelen> ari: hit 'q' to quit out of that and open Adept back up.
[07:17] <Whiz2> intelikey: it's looking like rc.local did not execute
[07:17] <intelikey> Whiz2 what version if ubuntu ?
[07:17] <trekdanne> i uesd window maker before I got a new machine capable of running KDE... :P
[07:17] <trekdanne> *used
[07:17] <Vaelen> And click on 'Edit software sources'
[07:17] <Whiz2> dapper
[07:17] <arun> intelikey: thanks for all your help
[07:18] <arun> so i'll just go ahead and install gnome from adept?
[07:18] <intelikey> Whiz2  in a konsole issue      runlevel
[07:18] <Whiz2> intelikey: it's an old computer....
[07:18] <intelikey> arun yep   welcome.
[07:18] <genii> mrksbrd: Thats all? 2 lines? It should have much more than that, capacity of drive it's formatting , some progress then back to a prompt
[07:18] <arun> thanks again
[07:18] <trekdanne> any idea why ktorrent keep crashing on me?
[07:18] <Whiz2> intelikey: the reply to runlevel was N 2
[07:19] <Vaelen> ari: and make sure that all the options there are checked. (specifically 'multiverse', which is where the package is located)
[07:19] <mrksbrd> nope that was it........no progress meter or anything
[07:19] <trekdanne> i mean, what's the reason for a app like ktorrent to crash, memory leaks?
[07:19] <mrksbrd> took like 1 sec
[07:19] <intelikey> Whiz2 ok    ls /etc/rc2.d     and pastebin it
[07:19] <underdog5004> trekdanne, try running ktorrent from a terminal and see if there are any errors.
[07:19] <intelikey> err
[07:19] <intelikey> Whiz2 ok    ls -l /etc/rc2.d     and pastebin it
[07:19] <genii> mrksbrd: Did you put   sudo    before the mkfs.vfat /dev/sdc1   part?
[07:20] <mrksbrd> copy'd it directly from what u posted
[07:20] <genii> mrksbrd: OK. How large is the drive?
[07:20] <intelikey> that's dangerous
[07:20] <mrksbrd> 40gb
[07:20] <Okapi> Is it any way you can see all aplications you installed in your pc? I am using FEIST and want to see a list of all aplications are installed in my system.
[07:20] <Whiz2> intelikey: i have to do a workaround... i'll open it in kate, then save it elsewhere & then pastebin it... that computer's browser doesn't work properly
[07:20] <mrksbrd> should i use gparted again, but don't select a file system
[07:20] <mrksbrd> ???
[07:21] <intelikey> Whiz2 ok
[07:21] <genii> mrksbrd: OK. No reason it should not work then. Is it currently mounted? To make sure do:  sudo umount /media/windows
[07:21] <genii> mrksbrd: Then try again:   sudo mkfs.vfat /dev/sdc1
[07:21] <intelikey> Okapi you can list all packages    dpkg -l      you could do a   find / -type f | grep bin/    and get all except the ones in "odd" locations
[07:22] <genii> mrksbrd: Also make sure you do not have a console/terminal which is cd into /media/windows directory
[07:22] <mrksbrd> tells me "not mounted
[07:22] <Okapi> intelikey: Thank you
[07:22] <ari> Vaelen: in my sources.list everything is uncommented.
[07:23] <intelikey> sudo umount /media/*
[07:23] <intelikey> Okapi welcome
[07:24] <mrksbrd> something is weird here
[07:24] <soulrider_> damn, is ubuntuforums dead?
[07:24] <intelikey> Okapi there are a few things in kde that the executable would be in really stupid places like   /usr/share/lib/kde/something....
[07:24] <Whiz2> intelikey: all i get from that command is "/etc/rc2.d is a directory"
[07:24] <Vaelen> ari: Was it already like that?
[07:24] <genii> mrksbrd: Do then the:   sudo mkfs.vfat -vv /dev/sdc1              and give it a minute or two to show some indication of progress or so.
[07:24] <soulrider> hello intelikey
[07:24] <Okapi> intelikey: ok, let try your suggestions
[07:25] <intelikey> Whiz2   ls -l /etc/rc2.d         just incase i typoed
[07:25] <soulrider> intelikey, when you get some free time, could you check out a program i made?
[07:25] <Whiz2> intelikey: is that an L or a pipe?
[07:25] <ari> no. i uncommented it this afternoon.
[07:25] <intelikey> Okapi also you might want to append    2>/dev/null    to the  find command   so it doesn't flood you with error messages
[07:25] <Vaelen> ari: And did you do an 'apt-get update' after that?
[07:26] <mrksbrd> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/34854/
[07:26] <intelikey> Whiz2 lowercase L
[07:26] <mrksbrd> is this what it was supposed to show????
[07:26] <Whiz2> then i was the one that typoed :-p
[07:26] <intelikey> :)
[07:26] <genii> mrksbrd: reading
[07:26] <soulrider> intelikey, if you ever have some time: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=531709 i made some minor fixes though
[07:26] <Vaelen> ari: Also, do they all have the same version on them? (feisty, for example) or do some say one thing and some say another?
[07:27] <intelikey> Whiz2 you are talking to the typo king here.   don't be surprised
[07:27] <Vaelen> ari: When you updated to 7.04, the updated wouldn't have updated sources that were commented out.
[07:27] <intelikey> soulrider i have plenty of time.    looking now.
[07:27] <soulrider> intelikey, thank you
[07:27] <genii> mrksbrd: Pretty much yes. And the drive light lit up for while and the command returned after a while to the $ ?
[07:28] <mrksbrd> i'm curious why it recognized my 4gb thumb drive w/o having to go thru all this???
[07:28] <mrksbrd> yes
[07:28] <soulrider> intelikey, i would happily take any suggestions at code level, if you know python that is
[07:28] <ari> some are still edgy.
[07:28] <ari> do i change it for feisty?
[07:28] <Vaelen> Yes, please do.  Then do 'sudo apt-get update'
[07:29] <intelikey> sorry  i can't hiss soulrider i only sh
[07:29] <genii> mrksbrd: There can be any number of reason, top one is usually a very cheap external enclosure for usb with obscure controller
[07:29] <soulrider> intelikey, uhm ?
[07:29] <Whiz2> aha! ssh tunneling is the bomb!
[07:29] <Whiz2> intelikey: http://pastebin.ubuntu-nl.org/34855/
[07:29] <intelikey> hiss like snake   python     a little livity   :)))
[07:30] <soulrider> i get it... bad joke :P
[07:30] <ari> do i change this one too: deb http://kubuntu.org/packages/kde-356-pre-feisty-upgrade/ edgy main ?
[07:30] <Vaelen> No, I would comment that one out.  It is probably out of date now that feisty is out.
[07:30] <intelikey> Whiz2 ok unless someone has edited  /etc/init.d/rc.local  then  /etc/rc.local  is being ran at boot time.
[07:31] <intelikey> Whiz2 show me the line in /etc/rc.local
[07:31] <Whiz2> intelikey: lemme check the drivethen
[07:31] <ari> ok
[07:32] <genii> mrksbrd: OK, make sure that the changes to fstab took. when you changed the file did you use kdesu kate /etc/fstab    or something like that to make sure you could save the changes?
[07:32] <intelikey> Whiz2 heh good idea we could be dippering the wrong end of this baby...
[07:32] <mrksbrd> in gparted its telling me it is fat32
[07:32] <Vaelen> ari: Once you're done with apt-get update, do a 'sudo apt-get upgrade' to upgrade any out of date packages.
[07:32] <Vaelen> Make sure that Adept is closed before you run any apt-get commands.
[07:33] <genii> mrksbrd: I didn't ask you about gparted
[07:33] <mrksbrd> gksudo command
[07:33] <mrksbrd> genii, was just passing on the info....sorry
[07:33] <Whiz2> intelikey: the drive is still mounted to /media/hdb1 and the line i put in /etc/rc.local is the exact line you gave me... the other line is sudo -u username vncserver -geometry 1024x768
[07:34] <genii> mrksbrd: the command sudo fdisk -l   will tell you what partition type it sees and so on, no need to rerun gparted for thet. :)
[07:34] <ari> adept is closed but i get "E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?"
[07:34] <mrksbrd> here was the command  gksudo gedit /etc/fstab
[07:34] <mrksbrd> oh ok
[07:34] <Vaelen> Is aptitude still open somewhere?
[07:34] <genii> mrksbrd: Please remember that when you are in KDE to use kdesu kate /filename    and when in gnome to use gksudo gedit /filename
[07:35] <ari> not supposed to.
[07:35] <genii> mrksbrd: Something which works in either is to in a console/terminal    sudo nano /filename
[07:35] <mrksbrd> ahhhhhhh...didn't know that
[07:35] <Vaelen> Hmm
[07:35] <mrksbrd> ok
[07:35] <intelikey> Whiz2 the exact line i gave you wont possably work cause there is not a user named  name  on you boxen
[07:36] <Vaelen> Try the update again.
[07:36] <Whiz2> errr..... lemme check
[07:36] <genii> mrksbrd: But the hda1 was changed to sdc1 as well, auto and user were added to the option list?
[07:36] <intelikey> Whiz2 neither is there a command called command
[07:36] <Whiz2> wrong line
[07:36] <Whiz2> intelikey: I'm talking about themount command
[07:36] <Whiz2> intelikey: the other command is made correctly using the format you gave for it
[07:37] <ari> gives me the same line
[07:37] <cassano> im following the instructions on http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=25683 will having BCMWL5.sys be fine instead of BCMWL5.inf?
[07:37] <intelikey> Whiz2 well lets see it anyway,  just to make sure i didn't shoot us in the foot
[07:37] <Whiz2> ok lemme grab it...
[07:38] <Whiz2> intelikey: the mount line is... mount /media/hdc1/download
[07:38] <Vaelen> Hmm, something must be using apt.
[07:38] <Whiz2> intelikey: the other line is sudo -u jason vncserver -geometry 1024x768
[07:38] <ari> i have kopete, amarok, ktorrent and firefox running...
[07:38] <intelikey> yeah ok.    and you changed the line in fstab also    correct ?
[07:38] <ari> and konversation
[07:38] <mrksbrd> genii, do u need me to re-paste the fstab file?
[07:38] <Whiz2> yup
[07:38] <genii> mrksbrd: Sure
[07:38] <Whiz2> copied n pasted that
[07:38] <intelikey> lets see it too
[07:39] <Vaelen> ari: Try running this from a prompt: sudo ps -ef | grep apt
[07:39] <Whiz2> one moment...
[07:39] <Vaelen> Something might be running in the background
[07:39] <Whiz2> intelikey: it is /dev/hdb1 /media/hdc1/download auto defaults,utf8,umask=000,uid=0,gid=46,rw,user,noauto 0 0
[07:40] <genii> AFK
[07:40] <mrksbrd> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/34856/
[07:40] <intelikey> Whiz2 ok.    and the fs is vfat or ntfs ?
[07:40] <ari> ari      12206     1  0 Aug23 ?        00:00:04 kopete -caption Kopete -icon kopete -miniicon kopete
[07:40] <ari> ari      12219     1  2 Aug23 ?        00:03:16 ktorrent -icon ktorrent -miniicon ktorrent -caption KTorrent
[07:40] <ari> ari      12943     1  0 00:23 ?        00:00:31 konversation -caption Konversation -icon konversation -miniicon konversation
[07:40] <ari> root     13149     1  0 00:52 ?        00:00:09 aptitude
[07:40] <Whiz2> intelikey: fat32 (vfat)
[07:40] <Whiz2> exactly the same as the other drive
[07:40] <Vaelen> ari: there it is.
[07:40] <intelikey> Whiz2 just to be sure:      grep hdb1 /proc/partitions
[07:41] <Vaelen> ari: sudo kill 13149
[07:41] <genii> mrksbrd: You need to put after the user,auto part, back in two zeros like in the entries above. Separate them with a tab.
[07:41] <Whiz2> intelikey: i know the format is the same, because I checked hdc1 in qtparted, and completely reformatted hdb1 with the same format
[07:42] <ari> done :)
[07:42] <intelikey> k
[07:42] <Vaelen> ari: sudo apt-get update
[07:42] <intelikey> let me review now.
[07:42] <mrksbrd> ok
[07:42] <mrksbrd> done
[07:42] <Whiz2> ok
[07:42] <genii> mrksbrd: After it's saved try once more:   sudo mount -a
[07:42] <mrksbrd> when i did that it dropped part of the command down to the next line is that ok??
[07:43] <genii> mrksbrd: NO
[07:43] <mrksbrd> k
[07:43] <mrksbrd> lemme fix it
[07:43] <Whiz2> intelikey: would it help to know that in the beginning of /etc/rc.local it says that by default the file does absolutely nothing?
[07:43] <Whiz2> lol
[07:43] <genii> mrksbrd: OK
[07:43] <Whiz2> says to change that, i need to change the execution bit
[07:43] <intelikey> Whiz2 that's because the only command in it by default is     exit 0
[07:44] <intelikey> Whiz2 is it not executable ?   ls -l /etc/rc.local
[07:45] <genii> mrksbrd: Regardless if this round of tactics is successful I need to leave for sleep after, it is 1:45AM and I wake for work at 7AM
[07:45] <mrksbrd> k
[07:45] <Whiz2> intelikey: -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 376 2007-08-24 01:01 /etc/rc.local
[07:45] <intelikey> Whiz2 looked like this   didn't it  http://ubuntu.pastebin.us/39146
[07:46] <mrksbrd> here is the last msg.  http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/34857/
[07:46] <intelikey> Whiz2 yeah that's executable.
[07:46] <genii> mrksbrd: Well, this is progress at least :)
[07:47] <Whiz2> intelikey: that's exactly what it looked like, except that it had one other command just above "exit 0"
[07:47] <Whiz2> and that was the vncserver command
[07:47] <intelikey> Whiz2 yeah it runs at boot time.   i'm on dapper too
[07:47] <mrksbrd> my head is about to explode...i'll let u get to bed though.........thanks for all the help
[07:47] <genii> mrksbrd: I see another typo in your fstab. the word iocharset has no letter i in your entry
[07:47] <Whiz2> then why is it not working?
[07:47] <ari> Vaelen: it stops at 99%
[07:47] <genii> mrksbrd: Please fix this and try again
[07:48] <mrksbrd> same msg
[07:48] <Vaelen> Does it go back to a prompt, or is it just waiting?
[07:48] <Whiz2> intelikey: is there maybe another thingi need to edit? maybe someone edited something that disabled it?
[07:48] <intelikey> Whiz2 try this in it.     umount /dev/hdb1 ;mount /media/hdc1/download        in place of the now present mount line
[07:48] <Whiz2> ok
[07:49] <ari> it is just waiting.
[07:49] <mrksbrd> should i replace the vfat to auto???
[07:49] <Vaelen> Ok, that's fine then.  There is probably a lot to process.
[07:49] <Vaelen> Give it a few minutes.
[07:49] <genii> mrksbrd: put only for options then user,auto   and remove the other two options. save and retry:  sudo mount -a
[07:50] <Vaelen> I'll be right back.
[07:50] <soulrider> intelikey, if you know anyone that might be interested in testing my program please let them know, i could use as much feedback as possible
[07:51] <intelikey> :)  if that doesn't do it i just thought of a delightful hack.    Whiz2 sudo umount /media/hdb1 ;sudo rmdir /media/hdb1 && ln -s /media/hdc1/download /media/hdb1 || echo failed
[07:51] <intelikey> soulrider k will do
[07:51] <mrksbrd> ok that did something, no error msg this time, but drive still not on desktop
[07:51] <soulrider> intelikey, thanks
[07:52] <mrksbrd> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/34858/
[07:52] <mrksbrd> that is the last fstab w/corrections
[07:52] <genii> mrksbrd: if command:  mmount     reports that sdc1   is mounted that is progress
[07:52] <intelikey> genii !
[07:52] <intelikey> :)
[07:52] <genii> mount rather
[07:53] <Whiz2> intelikey: save and rebooting now...
[07:53] <mrksbrd> have to d/l the tools....give me a sec
[07:53] <Whiz2> intelikey: if the file were executing at boot time, wouldn't the other command work?
[07:54] <cassano> can anybody tell me what is wrong with this command
[07:54] <cassano> ndiswrapper -m
[07:54] <cassano> for conffile in /etc/ndiswrapper/bcmwl5/*.conf; do
[07:54] <cassano> sudo cat $conffile | sed -e 's/RadioState|1/RadioState|0/' > $conffile
[07:54] <cassano> done
[07:54] <intelikey> Whiz2 it is possable that kde is mounting it before rc.local is ran   that's why i mentioned the hack  which will/should solve all possable situations of such.
[07:54] <mrksbrd> Usage: mmount -V drive:
[07:54] <intelikey> Whiz2 doesn't it ?
[07:54] <genii> mrksbrd: That is just a repot of fstab. Does the command: mount       in a terminal/console report sdc1 as a drive which is mounted?
[07:54] <Whiz2> intelikey: no i still have to run vncserver manually from ssh tunnel
[07:55] <genii> repot=repost
[07:55] <Whiz2> intelikey: I'mdoing every bit of this remotely
[07:55] <intelikey> Whiz2 if you really doubt it's execution at boot time   put a line     touch /testing   in it   then if the blank file testing appears it's working if not then no.
[07:55] <Whiz2> using ssh tunneling, and vncserver
[07:55] <mrksbrd> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/34859/
[07:55] <Vaelen> ari: Ok, I'm back
[07:55] <mrksbrd> lol....sorry genii
[07:55] <Whiz2> intelikey: is this supposed to run when the user's desktop loads??????
[07:56] <genii> mrksbrd: Good, it is formatted and mounts correctly now
[07:56] <ari> and i'm still wainting for this update.
[07:56] <intelikey> Whiz2 it's supposed to run when the computer startes whether you login in or not
[07:56] <Whiz2> intelikey: then how would a test file open?;-)
[07:56] <ari> but adept appeared to tell me i have 44 packages that need updating...
[07:56] <intelikey> open ?
[07:57] <Whiz2> appear
[07:57] <intelikey> touch /testing    will creat  /testing
[07:57] <Whiz2> oh ok
[07:57] <intelikey> man touch
[07:57] <mrksbrd> genii,if this is going to take alot more time, i'll be nice & let u get to bed
[07:58] <genii> mrksbrd: Now do in console:    umount /media/windows    then after that:   sudo eject /dev/sdc1            then turn off the usb drive. Let it power doen. then power it back on.
[07:58] <Vaelen> Looks like it's working then.
[07:59] <intelikey> wheres stdin today ?
[07:59] <genii> mrksbrd: Let me know if you get a popup after you power it back on afterwards
[07:59] <tarntow> i m always having the sound suddenly disappearing...apart from restarting...is there something else that can be done to rectify the problem...it does happen a lot....thank you
[07:59] <mrksbrd> no popup
[08:00] <Whiz2> intelikey: this time the drive wasn'tmounted at all
[08:00] <Vaelen> ari: is it still at 99%?
[08:00] <genii> mrksbrd: OK.does command:     mount           show sdc1 again or not?
[08:00] <intelikey> Whiz2 i suspect that  /download   doesn't appear in the fs on /dev/hdc1
[08:00] <ari> yep.
[08:01] <Vaelen> Ok, kill it with Ctrl+C and run it again
[08:01] <mrksbrd> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/34860/
[08:01] <mrksbrd> didn't see it
[08:01] <intelikey> Whiz2 case sensitive
[08:01] <Whiz2> i will double check
[08:02] <mrksbrd> showing sdb1
[08:02] <genii> mrksbrd: OK.
[08:02] <Whiz2> intelikey: /media/hdc1/download exists
[08:03] <ari> and then sudo apt-get upgrade ?
[08:03] <genii> mrksbrd: OK. Something is weird but UI need to sleep :( If you are here tomorrow we can carry on. Or maybe another can assist
[08:03] <Vaelen> Yup
[08:03] <genii> UI=I
[08:03] <mrksbrd> ok that is fine....thanks a bunch!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[08:04] <genii> mrksbrd: Good night :)
[08:04] <intelikey> Whiz2 issue the command there    mount /media/hdc1/download
[08:04] <mrksbrd> goodnight
[08:04] <genii> night all, intelikey stdin et al
[08:04] <intelikey> genii
[08:05] <intelikey> Whiz2 ???
[08:06] <Vaelen> ari: When apt-get upgrade lists the packages that will be updated, look for libxine-extracodecs in there.
[08:06] <Whiz2> intelikey: maybe I'm lookingin the wrong place... what is the command to see what is mounted where?
[08:07] <intelikey> Whiz2   mount
[08:07] <ari> amarok amarok-xine gnupg gpgv kaffeine kaffeine-xine kate kcontrol
[08:07] <ari>   kdebase-bin kdebase-data kdebase-kio-plugins kdepasswd kdeprint kdesktop kdm
[08:07] <ari>   kexi kfind khelpcenter kicker klipper kmenuedit koffice-data koffice-libs
[08:07] <ari>   konqueror konqueror-nsplugins konsole krita krita-data ksmserver ksplash
[08:07] <ari>   ksysguard ksysguardd ktorrent kwin lftp libhal-storage1 libhal1 libkonq4
[08:07] <ari>   libqt4-core libqt4-gui libqt4-qt3support libqt4-sql
[08:07] <intelikey> df
[08:07] <NickPresta> !pastebin | ari
[08:07] <ubotu> ari: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[08:07] <intelikey> cat /proc/mounts
[08:07] <intelikey> less /etc/mtab
[08:07] <intelikey> :)
[08:07] <Vaelen> ari: Go ahead an update those and hopefully that will do it for you.
[08:07] <Whiz2> interesting...
[08:08] <intelikey> Whiz2 ???
[08:08] <Whiz2> that says it's mounted where it should be after imounted myself..
[08:08] <Whiz2> yes?
[08:08] <intelikey> you ran   mount /medi...    and now it's mountd ?\
[08:08] <Whiz2> yeah...
[08:08] <Whiz2> hang on a sec
[08:09] <Vaelen> ari: It looks like it'll update xine, which might be why the extracodecs package doesn't work.  After it finishes updating, do a 'sudo apt-get install libxine-extracodecs' to make sure that it got installed ok.
[08:10] <intelikey> Whiz2 what i wanted to know was if issuing the    mount /media/hdc1/download      command gave any output ?
[08:10] <Whiz2> nope
[08:10] <Whiz2> just mounted it
[08:11] <intelikey> then it looks like you may need to test your rc.local   it may not be running at boot
[08:11] <Whiz2> I've added touch /test to the rc.local file, and changed the command back to just the regular mount command
[08:11] <Whiz2> saved, and rebooting now...
[08:11] <ari> tells me that "libxine1-ffmpeg" is the new one i should install
[08:11] <Vaelen> Ok, cool.
[08:12] <Vaelen> Then install that instead. :)
[08:12] <intelikey> ok   and did / does the  "/testing"  file exist ?    that will be the question.
[08:12] <ari> ok.
[08:12] <Whiz2> i will know soon as it boots up,and I login from here
[08:12] <ari> is it supposed to work now ?
[08:13] <intelikey> yes i stand under you.
[08:13] <Vaelen> Everything got updated and installed?
[08:13] <ari> yes
[08:13] <Whiz2> lol
[08:13] <ari> AAAAAAH IT WORKS !!!
[08:13] <Vaelen> Sweet. :)
[08:13] <intelikey> is not what means "understand"  ?
[08:13] <Whiz2> lol
[08:13] <Whiz2> yes i knew what you meant :-p
[08:13] <ari> thought i'd never play mp3s again !!!
[08:13] <Whiz2> lol ari
[08:14] <ari> wow thank you so muck Vaelen
[08:14] <Whiz2> that's one thing I don't use linux for
[08:14] <Vaelen> So the problem was that the multiverse source was commented out when you did the upgrade, so the upgrader didn't know to point it to feisty.
[08:14] <Vaelen> No problem, ari. :) Glad to get it working! Amarok is an awesome program.
[08:15] <ari> i'm so glad. it works !!! i thought i fucked something during the installation and i feared that i would have to start over...
[08:16] <Whiz2> intelikey: accounding to mount, hdb1 is mounted correctly as /media/hdc1/download i'm looking to see if /test appeared
[08:16] <Whiz2> according*
[08:17] <intelikey> i'm going to say yes   /testing exists.
[08:17] <Whiz2> nope!
[08:17] <Vaelen> The upgrade to 7.10 should be smoother for you now that all the apt sources are active for you.
[08:17] <Whiz2> it'snotthere
[08:17] <Whiz2> it's not there
[08:17] <intelikey> snoth there ?
[08:18] <intelikey> messed that up didn't is
[08:18] <Vaelen> (once it is finalized, that is)
[08:18] <Whiz2> lol
[08:18] <intelikey> snot there ?
[08:18] <Whiz2> snoth... kinda like a sloth only with an n instead of an l hehe
[08:19] <ari> i think i'm going to go sleep now if i want to look alive tomorrow when i'll go work ^^
[08:19] <Whiz2> intelikey: /test does not exist
[08:19] <intelikey> ls /
[08:19] <Vaelen> haha, me too
[08:19] <Vaelen> :)
[08:19] <Vaelen> 'night
[08:19] <Whiz2> i did that, and it wasn't in the ls
[08:19] <ari> thank you so much, good night
[08:19] <intelikey> Whiz2 ls /      you sure ?
[08:20] <Whiz2> hang on i'll paste here...
[08:20] <intelikey> don't flood
[08:20] <Whiz2> i'll pastebin
[08:20] <intelikey> shouldn't be but two lines..    just being cautious
[08:21] <Whiz2> jason@home:~$ ls /
[08:21] <Whiz2> bin   etc     initrd.img      lost+found  opt   sbin  tmp  vmlinuz
[08:21] <Whiz2> boot  home    initrd.img.old  media       proc  srv   usr  vmlinuz.old
[08:21] <Whiz2> dev   initrd  lib             mnt         root  sys   var
[08:21] <intelikey> you right.     snot there.
[08:21] <Whiz2> lol
[08:22] <Whiz2> which means...?
[08:22] <intelikey> Whiz2 want me to see what's wrong with  /etc/init.d/rc.local     ?    or abort
[08:22] <Whiz2> how do I get that file to output it's contents in a konsole?
[08:22] <Whiz2> I'mtired of all the working around to get it
[08:23] <intelikey> you'll have to pastebin   cat /etc/init.d/rc.local       and the output of   ls -l /etc/init.d/rc.local
[08:23] <Whiz2> ok
[08:23] <intelikey> i'm pretty sure this one is still default...   so i'll have something to compare to.
[08:25] <intelikey> yeah i can tell i haven't edited this one by this string.           if [ -x /etc/rc.local ] ; then        <<<< that's not my syntax.
[08:25] <contrast83> Greets, everyone...
[08:26] <contrast83> Has anyone here had any success compiling Fusion from GIT on Gutsy?
[08:26] <intelikey> maybe ask in the gutsy chan ?    /join #kubuntu+1
[08:26] <intelikey> or /join #ubuntu+1
[08:28] <contrast83> intelikey: Thanks
[08:29] <Whiz2> intelikey: pastebin is not cooperating
[08:29] <Whiz2> i can'tget the page up
[08:29] <Whiz2> to paste into in the first place
[08:30] <intelikey> Whiz2 lets go in reverse.   http://ubuntu.pastebin.us/39147   and chmod it to 755
[08:30] <Whiz2> hang on...
[08:30] <intelikey> i know it works correctly
[08:30] <Whiz2> what's the current URL for pastebin?
[08:30] <Whiz2> i think i have an old one that's not working correctly
[08:30] <intelikey> i like the http://ubuntu.pastebin.us
[08:31] <intelikey> but it's not the one listed in the topic
[08:31] <intelikey> !paste
[08:31] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[08:32] <Khrajin> How big is a full install of Kubuntu fiesty?
[08:32] <Whiz2> that is the URL that fails right now
[08:32] <Whiz2> in the one you gave me, what syntax highlighting do i select from the menu?
[08:32] <intelikey> http://ubuntu.pastebin.us/39148 that one is working
[08:33] <Whiz2> "text only" ain't therelol
[08:33] <intelikey> yes text is fine
[08:33] <intelikey> or shell script
[08:34] <intelikey> i don't care what highlighting.
[08:34] <Whiz2> here is the output you requested... http://ubuntu.pastebin.us/39149
[08:34] <intelikey> pick your take
[08:34] <Whiz2> and i have no idea what you have me looking at with that last URL you gave
[08:35] <Whiz2> err...nm i know what it is
[08:35] <intelikey> now bull.    unless something is hanging before it's finished booting     that will run and run correctly.
[08:36] <Whiz2> someone else was messing with my scripts before in an attempt to fix something...  I wouldn't be surprised if they screwed it up
[08:36] <intelikey> i'd look for a hung init script
[08:36] <intelikey> ps -A x | grep sh
[08:37] <intelikey> among the output should be the culpret
[08:37] <intelikey> or pstree
[08:38] <Whiz2> want it here? it's only a fewlines
[08:38] <intelikey> not more than two
[08:38] <Whiz2> should fit in one message ;-)
[08:38] <Whiz2>    87 ?        00:00:00 pdflush
[08:38] <Whiz2>    88 ?        00:00:00 pdflush
[08:38] <Whiz2>  2967 ?        00:00:00 shpchpd_event
[08:38] <Whiz2>  4402 ?        00:00:00 sshd
[08:38] <Whiz2>  4992 ?        00:00:00 sshd
[08:38] <Whiz2>  4995 pts/0    00:00:00 bash
[08:38] <Whiz2>  5057 ?        00:00:00 ssh-agent
[08:38] <intelikey> the opps sometimes lurk and .....    hmmm
[08:39] <Whiz2> ok pstree would need a pastebin
[08:40] <intelikey> Whiz2 what file were they working on ?
[08:41] <Whiz2> i think they created one in /etc/init.d
[08:52] <Khrajin> anyone good with hardware?
[08:53] <Ben_Cs> hello
[08:54] <Ben_Cs> i installed enemy territory. if i want to remove it - i just delete the installation dir, or there's a better way?
[08:55] <flaccid> where did you d/l it from and how did you install it
[08:56] <Ben_Cs> i don't remember where i downloaded it from. it's a .run file. installed it through: sh *.run
[08:56] <flaccid> i just confirmed it is only 1 directory plus your ~/.etwolf
[08:57] <flaccid> so yeah just remove the dir and optionally remove your ~/.etwolf (loose d/l levels)
[08:58] <phayz> has anyone here installed the 'artwiz' fonts?
[08:58] <phayz> i've installed them but they're not accessible to kde :(  ??
[08:58] <Ben_Cs> flaccid: ok, thanks
[08:58] <flaccid> np
[08:59] <flaccid> !fonts
[08:59] <ubotu> Font installation basics here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FontInstallHowto - No fonts in Flash? Install "msttcorefonts" (from !Multiverse), "gsfonts", and "gsfonts-x11". No fonts in MPlayer? see !MPlayer
[08:59] <flaccid> see above, phayz
[08:59] <phayz> flaccid: thanks.  i've already read quite a bit but am more than willing to read more.
[08:59] <flaccid> ok
[09:00] <flaccid> if they are installed properly to the font cache as above, they will be accessible on restart of X server
[09:01] <flaccid> me has to go into windows dang
[09:04] <Assid> why
[09:07] <alex_> does any one in here know how i can get kubuntu to access a hard drive that is pluged into a apple airport extreme?
[09:10] <ryan8403> where should I be for gutsy kubuntu support?
[09:13] <kraut> moin
[09:13] <intelikey> kraut
[09:13] <kraut> hi intelikey
[09:13] <intelikey> ryan8403 either ubuntu+1 or kubuntu+1    with # of course
[09:14] <ryan8403> intelikey thanks
[09:14] <ryan8403> that's what I thought but just makin' sure
[09:17] <combo> how to install java runtime environment ?
[09:18] <intelikey> !jre
[09:18] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about jre - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:18] <intelikey> !java
[09:18] <ubotu> To install a Java compiler/interpreter on Ubuntu, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java - For the Sun Java runtime install sun-java5-jre from the !Multiverse repository. Enable the backports repository on Edgy to install sun-java6-jre. Please don't use Adept to install Java if you are on Kubuntu 6.10 (Edgy) or earlier.
[09:19] <combo> intelikey: thanks
[09:19] <intelikey> np
[09:31] <intelikey> !root > Whiz2
[09:32] <sauvin> !root > sauvin
[09:35] <Tabmows> is ntfs partitions stable enough to mount rw ?
[09:35] <intelikey> Whiz2 edit the file in the autostart dir and before the vnc command   add     xhost +LOCAL:
[09:35] <Tabmows> well, to write to i mean
[09:36] <intelikey> !ntfs
[09:36] <ubotu> To view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions . For write access see !ntfs-3g or !fuse
[09:36] <intelikey> !fuse
[09:36] <ubotu> FUSE (Filesystem in Userspace) is a !kernel driver that allows non-root users to create their own filesystems. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Filesystem_in_Userspace for more on FUSE.  Some examples of filesystems that use FUSE are !ntfs-3g, sshfs and isofs. A full list of Filesystems that use FUSE is here:  http://fuse.sourceforge.net/wiki/index.php/FileSystems
[09:36] <Assid> mac uses ntfs?!?!?
[09:36] <intelikey> !ntfs-3g
[09:36] <ubotu> ntfs-3g is a Linux driver which allows read/write access to NTFS partitions. Installation instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MountingWindowsPartitions
[09:41] <Tabmows> intelikey, thanks.
[09:42] <intelikey> Tabmows welcome
[09:42] <Tabmows> i think that help.ubuntu.com website is down however... but ill bookmark it for later ;oP
[09:42] <jtong> can someone help me recover my raid?
[09:43] <Whiz2> sorry i know absolutely nothing about raid
[09:43] <Tabmows> intelikey, that link has https:// which doesn't seem to work - normal http works fine however
[09:44] <Tabmows> intelikey, and i meant can we write to ntfs volumes over the network... ntfs-3g seems to be for local ntfs partitions only?
[09:45] <Whiz2> Tabmows: mine can
[09:45] <Whiz2> using ntfs-3g
[09:45] <Tabmows> Whiz2, ok cool... ill check it out
[09:45] <Whiz2> what exactly are you attempting to do?
[09:46] <Tabmows> mount a ntfs filesystem from another computer on my network read/write so I can write to it
[09:47] <Whiz2> is the computer that has the NTFS partition running windows, or Linux?
[09:47] <intelikey> Tabmows if it's safe locally there it's safe over the network   i. e.  it's the local machine that ultimatly does the writing
[09:47] <Tabmows> Whiz2, windows
[09:48] <adenicio> !python
[09:48] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about python - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:48] <Tabmows> intelikey, so... i mount it an an smb volume? and then use that mountpoint with ntfs-3g for write mode?
[09:48] <adenicio> stdin:  wa is python?
[09:49] <Whiz2> if the network PC is running windows, you shouldn't have to mount it... just share the root of the drive, and in kubuntu go to your remote places in system, and into samba shares... you should see it there
[09:49] <Tabmows> adenicio, a scripting language
[09:49] <adenicio> ok
[09:51] <adenicio> is it me or does linux download faster
[09:51] <NickPresta> it isn't _a_ "scripting language", it's _the_ "scripting language" ;)
[09:51] <jtong> hi, i have a disk set to type linux raid auto but somehow it changed to ext3 after a crash and i can no longer mount
[09:52] <Whiz2> jtong: try changing it back by editing that line in your fstab
[09:52] <Tabmows> Whiz2, i see it, but it is really slow if I don't mount it properly...
[09:52] <Whiz2> then reboot, and check again
[09:52] <intelikey> NickPresta say that in #perl
[09:52] <Whiz2> Tabmows: i dunno... i never had to mount mine
[09:52] <jtong> Whiz2: ok so i force to mount it as linux raid auto?
[09:53] <Whiz2> jtong: yes
[09:53] <jtong> Whiz2: alright
[09:53] <NickPresta> intelikey, I would but I wouldn't be able to read any responses ;)
[09:53] <Tabmows> Whiz2, can you write to them?
[09:53] <intelikey> NickPresta not make any more comments in there lol
[09:53] <Whiz2> Tabmow: what version of windows are you using?
[09:53] <intelikey> nor
[09:53] <afiestas> i'm reading in networkmanager site, thats don't will be available for (k)ubuntu feature freeze, and i think... in gutsy, i will can use a wpa + static ip? an ad-hoc networks?
[09:54] <Whiz2> Tabmows: when you share the drive, you have to tell windows to allows users to change files
[09:54] <afiestas> i don't found anythings in forums/wiki
[09:54] <Tabmows> Whiz2, yes i know that... i can write to it now, but it transfers at like 500kb/sec.. that really sucks ehehe
[09:55] <Tabmows> it's connected at 48mbps via the wireless as well...
[09:55] <Whiz2> Tabmow: makes no sense to me... you should be able to write to it like any other networked storage device
[09:56] <Tabmows> anyone + google == windows guru ;oP
[09:56] <Tabmows> linux not so much ehehe
[09:56] <Whiz2> as it is,i'm having a major issue with my linux server that is aggravating me
[09:57] <Whiz2> i don't need google for windows :-p
[09:57] <Whiz2> I've got 14 years of hand on experience
[09:57] <Whiz2> never once had to google a widows question lol
[09:57] <NickPresta> It's 4am. I should sleep. Goodnight #kubuntu.
[09:57] <Whiz2> windows*
[09:58] <jtong> Whiz2: i tried to mount my raid /dev/md0 as reiserfs but get a bad superblock error
[09:59] <martijn_nerd> ayone tried strigi here?
[09:59] <Whiz2> jtong: I'm sorry, but this is out of my league... I know nothing about raid, and my experience with mounting any drive is limited.
[09:59] <jtong> alright Whiz2 thanks
[09:59] <jtong> yeah it's my first raid setup too and worked for two weeks then my box crashed and stopped working after reboot
[10:00] <Whiz2> I'd be better off going and sitting in the windows xp channellol
[10:00] <Whiz2> my advice would be to edit your fstab to what it was before the crash
[10:00] <adenicio> i install real player but the video on the website for streamin doesnt play in real player.how do i change it to play with real player?
[10:00] <jtong> i've never change my fstab though
[10:00] <nitesh> installed Kooldock 0.3, However, dont know how to activate/use it. my panel is still the same as it used to be. Adept_Manager shows KoolDock is installed
[10:00] <combo> !ntfs
[10:00] <ubotu> To view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions . For write access see !ntfs-3g or !fuse
[10:00] <Whiz2> how did you manage to mount it correctly before?
[10:01] <jtong> just use auto since it was a reiserfs
[10:02] <Whiz2> jtong: try the mount command /dev/drive /directoryname auto
[10:03] <jtong> Whiz2: same error
[10:04] <Whiz2> jtong: sorry i can't help you further
[10:04] <jtong> Whiz2: ok, thanks
[10:05] <combo> - how to make ntfs windows partion (hda1) writable?
[10:05] <Cewleng> how to connect mobile phone?
[10:05] <nitesh> the KDM login page does not fit my screen... used different themes but the same result
[10:06] <adenicio> i install real player but the video on the website for streamin doesnt play in real player.how do i change it to play with real player?
[10:06] <Blauhaut> how to restart kubuntu without restaring computet ?
[10:06] <combo> Blauhaut: ALT+CTRL+BACKSPACE
[10:06] <Blauhaut> okki
[10:08] <combo> - how to make ntfs windows partion (hda1) writable? any ideas? :] 
[10:08] <Whiz2> install ntfs-3g
[10:08] <combo> Whiz2: thx
[10:08] <Blauhaut> where can i find the default sources.list ?
[10:10] <combo> Blauhaut: if u didn't make a back up of /etc/apt/sources.list there is no default file :}
[10:10] <Blauhaut> combo; i am looking for the sources.list which is come with ubuntu installination
[10:11] <Cewleng> with ntfs configuration, I can writable in ntfs windows partition
[10:12] <combo> Blauhaut: so iduno
[10:14] <zhan> hi
[10:15] <Cewleng> download ntfs-config in www.debian.com
[10:16] <zhan> I've a strange question about kubuntu... some charecters can't displayed in konversation, konqueror ,konsole,...etc
[10:17] <zhan> like 
[10:18] <zhan> but in  gvim, pidgin, these charecters are just displayed normally
[10:18] <Cewleng> can help me? how to i find driver for motorola phone
[10:25] <mick> hello!!
[10:48] <combo> - i had 'sudo apt-get install ntfs-3g' and reboot my system but ntfs windows partition is still unwritable? :S
[10:53] <combo> can somebody help? pls! :/
[10:55] <SlimeyPete> use the configurator
[10:55] <SlimeyPete> install ntfs-config
[10:56] <SlimeyPete> and then run it - it'll pop up a window allowing you to enable write support
[10:56] <SlimeyPete> combo: ^^
[10:56] <combo> ok! i'll try that!
[11:00] <combo> SlimeyPete: everything works now! thanks a lot ;)
[11:00] <SlimeyPete> no problem :)
[11:01] <valentin13> hello
[11:02] <SlimeyPete> hi
[11:05] <crazy_penguin> after todays morning upgrade is kate working? would somebody be so kind and try and see if it works and reply to me. thank you
[11:12] <nitesh> installed Kooldock 0.3, However, dont know how to activate/use it. my panel is still the same as it used to be. Adept_Manager shows KoolDock is installed
[11:32] <elias85> i ve downloaded some rar files.how can i unrar them all so ill get 1 file?
[11:41] <crazy_penguin> elias85: are those files (the original ones, unarchived ones) splitted across several rar files?
[11:41] <ubuntu> ummm
[11:41] <crazy_penguin> you want to reconstruct the unarchived file?
[11:42] <ubuntu> I need some help
[11:42] <crazy_penguin> if you do then put the files into one folder and use the unrara app to unrara the first that has teh extesion .rar it will look for the others automatically
[11:42] <crazy_penguin> ubuntu: don't say that you need help
[11:42] <crazy_penguin> ask what you need
[11:43] <crazy_penguin> what is the problem?
[11:43] <ubuntu> but I do...I'm just thinking of how best to ask
[11:43] <crazy_penguin> to put it shortly ask
[11:43] <crazy_penguin> and we will see
[11:44] <ubuntu> well...I was trying out the dual monitors feature in feisty, and I inadvertently changed some of the hardware settings in the "Monitor and Display" menu
[11:45] <ubuntu> long story short, when I boot the machine,  it goes through the kubuntu progress bar, then all I get is a black screen with a flashing cursor
[11:46] <ubuntu> in recovery mode I can't startx or kdm
[11:46] <ubuntu> I am thoroughly stumped
[11:47] <ubuntu> is there any way that I can boot into what I already have installed with an install disk or something to fix the settings that I changed?
[11:48] <crazy_penguin> ubuntu: go into recovery mode
[11:48] <crazy_penguin> and type the following
[11:48] <crazy_penguin> dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[11:48] <crazy_penguin> but before that
[11:48] <crazy_penguin> make a copy of the /etc/X11/xorg.conf file
[11:48] <crazy_penguin> that should solve the problem
[11:49] <crazy_penguin> and don't reuse those values from xorg.conf
[11:49] <ubuntu> I tried that earlier
[11:49] <crazy_penguin> after making teh copy i advise you to delete
[11:49] <crazy_penguin> ett /s/teh/the/g
[11:51] <alex_> New question for people, got a laptop with Fn key
[11:51] <alex_> I can't seem to be able to use it anymore
[11:51] <ubuntu> I've been at this for several hours now...I tried the dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg, but I didn't save the xorg.conf first
[11:52] <alex_> Is there a way of being able to Fn key for sound and other settings
[11:52] <Whiz2> i've been at my problem for several months, and no one can seem to help... I'm giving up
[11:53] <alex_> What is it?
[11:53] <SlimeyPete> alex_: not usually, as those keys often require special keyboard drivers.
[11:53] <alex_> ok, just wondering...
[11:53] <SlimeyPete> might be worth googling around a bit though to see if tere's a way to make them work on your particular keyboard
[11:53] <Whiz2> oh nothing too difficult.. just trying to get a program to run before KDE does, but with my credentials, and myenvironment
[11:54] <alex_> Ok cheers
[11:54] <Whiz2> problem is thateverything I've tried has totally failed, and I've been at this since February
[11:55] <alex_> Whiz2: Have you tried going into your boot settings and look around there for boot orders and whatnot
[11:55] <ubuntu> is the system settings monitor and display option directly connected to xorg.conf?
[11:55] <SlimeyPete> Whiz2: shove a script in /etc/init.d
[11:55] <Whiz2> SlimeyPete: tried that, and failed
[11:55] <Whiz2> it wouldn't even run
[11:56] <Whiz2> not even as a system service
[11:56] <SlimeyPete> did you +x it?
[11:56] <Whiz2> not to mention... even if I did get the script to run in the first place, i don't even know the command to get it to run as ME
[11:56] <alex_> Have you tried having your program into a folder and in the system bios running a particular folder then the OS
[11:57] <SlimeyPete> Whiz2: su -c command user
[11:57] <SlimeyPete> (put quotes around the command if nessary)
[11:57] <SlimeyPete> *necessary
[11:57] <Whiz2> would it show up in the system services list if it wasn'texecutable?
[11:58] <SlimeyPete> erm... not sure tbh
[11:58] <Whiz2> andI've tried adding a line like what you just gave me to the rc.local script, and it failed to tun
[11:58] <Whiz2> rc.local ran, but that particular command refused
[11:58] <SlimeyPete> any particular error?
[11:58] <Whiz2> nope
[11:58] <Whiz2> every other line in rc.localran
[11:59] <ubuntu> what if I just wrote down the xorg.conf monitor and screen settings froma  live cd and then replaced any inconsistencies in recovery mode?
[11:59] <SlimeyPete> and you were running the rc.local as root?
[11:59] <ubuntu> would that work maybe?
[11:59] <Whiz2> rc.local runs however it runs
[11:59] <SlimeyPete> ubuntu: probably
[11:59] <SlimeyPete> Whiz2: what command is it, ooi?
[11:59] <Whiz2> it runs at boot time,i'm not gonna execute it manaually
[11:59] <ubuntu> I'll give it a try
[12:00] <Whiz2> the command i typeto run theprogram manually is vncserver -geometry 1024x768
[12:00] <SlimeyPete> Whiz2: erm, that probably won't work until X is loaded
[12:00] <Whiz2> i have to run it from tty logged in as me...
[12:00] <Whiz2> nope!
[12:00] <Whiz2> err....
[12:00] <Whiz2> wait...
[12:00] <Whiz2> i can run it from a console before the desktop loads
[12:01] <SlimeyPete> before the login manager loads, or before kde loads?
[12:01] <Whiz2> KDE
[12:01] <SlimeyPete> if the login manager's up then X is already running
[12:01] <Whiz2> that'snothelping me
[12:02] <SlimeyPete> hmm
[12:02] <Whiz2> i just need to know how to get it to run automatically
[12:02] <SlimeyPete> I'd check into the concept of xsessions if I where you
[12:02] <Whiz2> no script seems to run it
[12:02] <SlimeyPete> an xsession file is a script which the login manager uses to load (eg) KDE
[12:02] <Whiz2> is creates an X session
[12:02] <SlimeyPete> maybe if yo append to the script...
[12:03] <Whiz2> aka Desktop 1
[12:03] <SlimeyPete> can't remember where they're kept, though :/
[12:03] <Whiz2> when i run it, it is the same as logging into my desktop from thelogin screen
[12:03] <SlimeyPete> ah right, yes, that'll be the one then
[12:03] <_Shade_> is there any qt-based jabber client other than kopete?
[12:03] <Whiz2> except that it is completelyvirtual ;-)
[12:04] <SlimeyPete> well, mebbe
[12:04] <Whiz2> so i have to look into xsessions?
[12:04] <_Shade_> kopete acts very unpredictable for me
[12:04] <SlimeyPete> Whiz2: yeah, I would
[12:05] <SlimeyPete> I can't guarantee it'll work but it might
[12:05] <_Shade_> so is there any kopete substitute eh?
[12:06] <SlimeyPete> Whiz2: aha! /usr/share/xsessions
[12:06] <SlimeyPete> edit kde.desktop
[12:06] <SlimeyPete> add your command to the end of it
[12:06] <Whiz2> are you serious???
[12:06] <SlimeyPete> I think that'll work
[12:06] <SlimeyPete> (never tried, but it's worth a go)
[12:07] <Whiz2> can i call you a genius if this works???
[12:07] <Whiz2> lol
[12:07] <the-erm> genius.
[12:07] <SlimeyPete> yes, and you may curse my name if it doesn't
[12:07] <Whiz2> lol
[12:08] <Whiz2> how can I edit that? with any text editor?
[12:09] <SlimeyPete> yeah. You'll need oot privs though so "kdesu kate /usr/share/xsessions/kde.desktop" should do it
[12:09] <SlimeyPete> *roo
[12:09] <SlimeyPete> erm, root
[12:09] <yeniklasorr> I cannot mix microfon and "idjc" player voice. Can someone help me ?
[12:09] <Whiz2> i got a way to get root priv without going through allthat... cuz I'm slick like that :-p
[12:09] <SlimeyPete> heh :)
[12:10] <Whiz2> i have a icon that runs konqueror as root, then just right click any file, and open with kate :-D
[12:10] <Assid> hrmm
[12:10] <SlimeyPete> clever.
[12:10] <Assid> i dont get it
[12:11] <SlimeyPete> a bit insecure, but handy nonetheless ;)
[12:11] <SlimeyPete> Assid: ?
[12:11] <Assid> how does isync on mac is able to synchronise with a nokia phone but we cant
[12:11] <Whiz2> i'm the only one that ever gets access to my desktop to use that
[12:11] <Whiz2> if i put this in a pastebin,and give the URL could you tell me what to do?
[12:12] <SlimeyPete> Whiz2: literally just append your command to the end
[12:12] <SlimeyPete> just whack it on the last line of the file
[12:12] <Whiz2> it's not commands tho... hmmm... ok
[12:12] <SlimeyPete> hrm, hang on
[12:12] <Whiz2> do you know the command to make it run as me, instead of root?
[12:12] <the-erm> I sudo passwd, change the password, added this line to ~/.bashrc xhost +local:$DISPLAY now I can su and run any app that runs in x no problem.
[12:12] <Assid> hasnt anyone managed to synch their phones?
[12:13] <SlimeyPete> Whiz2: the kde.desktop file should get executed as you anyway
[12:13] <Whiz2> nono i have to be logged into tty as me in order to do it... it relies on my environment (home dir)
[12:15] <Whiz2> while sitting at the KDE login screen, i can switch to console, login to console as me (without logging into kde) type the command, and bingo! it runs... however, if it runs as root, then it's completely useless
[12:15] <SlimeyPete> Whiz2: erm, not sure. Let me do a bit more research, hang on.
[12:15] <Whiz2> ok
[12:16] <the-erm> Whiz2: I sorta just walked in, what are you trying to do?
[12:17] <Whiz2> trying to get vncserver to run on startup as me... it creates an X desktop based on my credentials, and my environment without me having to login to the KDE desktop at the keys
[12:17] <SlimeyPete> Whiz2: aha, I was getting mixed up.You need to put the command on the end of /etc/kde3/kdm/Xsession
[12:17] <SlimeyPete> from what I read, it should pick up your environment
[12:17] <SlimeyPete> that seems to be implied, anyway
[12:17] <SlimeyPete> only way to find out for sure is to try it ;)
[12:18] <Whiz2> by all logic, it won't just pick it up
[12:19] <SlimeyPete> well, try it and see?
[12:19] <Whiz2> because when I run it, I have to be logged into console as me
[12:19] <SlimeyPete> can't hurt...
[12:19] <Whiz2> where to i whack it in?
[12:19] <alexnicol> Looking for some help with a Laserjet 1000
[12:19] <Whiz2> :-p
[12:19] <SlimeyPete> Whiz2: at the end. Actually, you could try putting an "EXPORT HOME=/home/yourusername/" at the front
[12:19] <the-erm> Whiz2: have you tried anything with Xvfb?
[12:20] <SlimeyPete> so one line with the EXPORT on, the next with the command
[12:20] <Assid> unbelievable
[12:20] <SlimeyPete> oops, shove it *before* the xsession line at the end
[12:20] <Whiz2> what is Xvfb???
[12:20] <SlimeyPete> just for safety
[12:20] <Assid> i cant connect to my cell
[12:21] <the-erm> Whiz2: Xvfb allows you to start applications in an x environment, but without a screen.  Is that what you want?
[12:22] <AlexNicol> SlimeyPete - Know anything about Samba networked printers?
[12:22] <Whiz2> the-erm: i'm trying to run vncserver which *creates* an X Session that i can login to remotely.
[12:22] <the-erm> sample: nohup /usr/X11R6/bin/Xvfb :25 -screen 2 800x600x16 & export DISPLAY=":25"; soffice "-accept=socket,host=localhost,port=2002;urp;"
[12:23] <Whiz2> vncserver doesthat
[12:23] <the-erm> Whiz2: ok hang on let me play with something, and see if I can get this thing to go.
[12:23] <Whiz2> i don't need something else to do that,i just need to start vncserver automatically as me
[12:26] <Whiz2> SlimeyPete: after carefully analyzing Xsession, and the way vncserver starts...that won't work
[12:26] <Whiz2> vncserver cals Xsession, so tacking it into the end of xsession would run it as an endless loop
[12:28] <SlimeyPete> Whiz2: there is another XSession in /etc/X11
[12:28] <SlimeyPete> you su it isn't running that?
[12:28] <SlimeyPete> *sre
[12:28] <Whiz2> hang on... i'm making a pastebin of vncserver's output to console
[12:28] <Whiz2> http://ubuntu.pastebin.us/39154
[12:29] <Whiz2> either way it doesn't matter, because it calls xsession after i execute the program
[12:29] <SlimeyPete> Whiz2: yeah, different xsession
[12:30] <SlimeyPete> there's one that's run by kde, vncserver is running a different one
[12:30] <SlimeyPete> so I t
[12:30] <SlimeyPete> so I think the approach will still work
[12:30] <Whiz2> logic says otherwise
[12:30] <SlimeyPete> you won't get stuck in a loop ;)
[12:30] <Whiz2> :-p
[12:30] <SlimeyPete> how?
[12:30] <SlimeyPete> two completel different files, which do different things
[12:31] <Whiz2> because vncservercalls Xsession AFTER it is executed
[12:31] <SlimeyPete> Whiz2: I know. *different* xsession.
[12:31] <SlimeyPete> there are two
[12:31] <Whiz2> that's not the point
[12:31] <SlimeyPete> Whiz2: yes it is.
[12:31] <ubuntu> that didn't change a thing
[12:31] <SlimeyPete> I don't understand your objection
[12:32] <Whiz2> ok...think of it like this...
[12:32] <SlimeyPete> kdm will run its xsession file. That will ran vncerver. vncserver will run a *different* xsession too.
[12:32] <enoj_> Hi guys. I recently reinstalled kubuntu 7.04 on my desktop computer. When I try to connect to any SSH sites, it takes several seconds to make a connection. The pastebin from ssh -vvv is here: http://pastebin.com/de5375b8 - in hangs on about line 46 .. any ideas?
[12:32] <SlimeyPete> no problem. BOth files get executed, but there's no conflict.
[12:32] <Whiz2> ina windows batch file... if you have the file call another batch file, then tacking the same commandonto the end of the file won'tdo any good,because it it doesn't run first
[12:32] <ubuntu> any way I can change the system settings monitor and display from terminal...?
[12:34] <Whiz2> you're right that it runs either way... but... xsession doesn't run until after theprogram is executed
[12:34] <Whiz2> the program runs the xsession... but you have to run the program or the session never starts
[12:35] <SlimeyPete> Whiz2: I think you;re getting confused. Gimme a minute to type this out...
[12:35] <combo> - if i want to have a drivers for my ATI Radeon 9600 then i should install AIGLX or GLX (i need these drivers only for screensaver and playing game sometimes; no beryl-like something)
[12:35] <combo> ** i mean AIGLX or XGL ;P
[12:36] <Whiz2> vncserver creates the X desktop based on parameters set in Xsession... Xsession is more like an INI file in windows that aprogram would read from
[12:36] <SlimeyPete> Whiz2: Step 1: KDM runs /usr/share/kdm/Xsession. Step 2: /usr/share/kdm/Xsession runs vncserver. Step 3: vncserver runs /etc/X11/xsession.    -  all files and programs are executed, one after another.
[12:36] <psyhhix> wich takes less resource: xfce or kde ?
[12:37] <Whiz2> wouldn't that require KDE?
[12:37] <SlimeyPete> Whiz2: nope.
[12:37] <the-erm> Yippie I got it to work.
[12:37] <SlimeyPete> only X
[12:38] <SlimeyPete> and X will already be running :)
[12:38] <Whiz2> the-erm: what did you get to work?
[12:38] <SlimeyPete> Whiz2: I still reckon it'll work. Imay be wrong :) The only way to find out is to try it and see. Can't hurt.
[12:38] <the-erm> nohup /usr/X11R6/bin/Xvfb :25 -screen 2 800x600x16 &  export DISPLAY=":25"; vncserver # that does it.
[12:39] <the-erm> With just X.
[12:39] <the-erm> Pay attention to what port it's setting the server up on.
[12:39] <Whiz2> will thatrun it with my credentials?
[12:39] <Whiz2> vncserver'sport is already set
[12:39] <ubuntu> any other ideas on my problem?
[12:39] <Whiz2> now... how do I actually do that?
[12:40] <Whiz2> and i want the screen at 1024x768
[12:41] <w0t-aw> i installed kubuntu 7.04 from a livecd, but my hdd won't boot. what might be the problem? :o
[12:41] <w0t-aw> install claimed to be successful.
[12:45] <Whiz2> the-erm: how do i actually do that?
[12:45] <Whiz2> just that line is useless unless i know whereto put it
[12:47] <ubuntu> this is a little frustrating
[12:47] <ubuntu> I know what I want...just not how to ask
[12:47] <runlevelten> !questions
[12:47] <ubotu> Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[12:48] <runlevelten> no.
[12:48] <Whiz2> ok so I'm halfway there...
[12:48] <Whiz2> i have theline,but no idea where to stick it
[12:48] <ubuntu> and just as I was reaching the brink of insanity...a little comic relief shows up
[12:49] <runlevelten> http://catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html
[12:49] <Whiz2> nohup /usr/X11R6/bin/Xvfb :25 -screen 2 800x600x16 &  export DISPLAY=":25"; vncserver # <-- where does that line go?
[12:49] <runlevelten> ^Ignore the patronising bits, as esr is a bit of a numpty sometimes, but on the whole it's useful to read that.
[12:50] <combo> can't remove fglrx - cuz it is in use?! so how can i install AIGLX?!
[12:50] <Whiz2> can i put it in my /etc/rc.local file to run?
[12:50] <grul> tr killing x
[12:50] <Whiz2> i don't need to kill x
[12:50] <combo> grul: how to ? :] 
[12:50] <ubuntu> I can't even start x
[12:50] <Whiz2> oh you're not talking ot me
[12:50] <SlimeyPete> combo: sudo etc/init.d/kdm stop   to kill X
[12:51] <Whiz2> to8
[12:51] <SlimeyPete> well, that'll kill kdm
[12:51] <combo> SlimeyPete: thx
[12:51] <SlimeyPete> ou may needto hit ctrl-alt-backspacetokill X
[12:51] <ubuntu> can't start kdm either
[12:51] <SlimeyPete> ubuntu: sounds like you have a prbem with your /etc/X11/xorg.conf file
[12:51] <combo> SlimeyPete: command not found ( ?! )
[12:52] <SlimeyPete> combo: O.o
[12:52] <SlimeyPete> you're running kubuntu, yeah?
[12:52] <Whiz2> so many months.... now I'm sooooo close! more 7 more frustrating....
[12:52] <Whiz2> &*
[12:52] <combo> SlimeyPete: yeah
[12:52] <ubuntu> I tried the dpkg-reconfigure and manually editing xorg.conf
[12:52] <combo> SlimeyPete: but as i remember i've removed some packages
[12:52] <combo> ALREADY :/
[12:52] <SlimeyPete> combo: try "sudo sh" instead of just sudo
[12:52] <ubuntu> still only blinking cursor after kubuntu boots
[12:52] <combo> so maybe this is the reason
[12:52] <Whiz2> the-erm: are you even here anymore?
[12:53] <combo> SlimeyPete: 'can't open' this time
[12:53] <the-erm> Whiz2: Ya, I'm just trying to figure out *how* to get apps to run.
[12:53] <SlimeyPete> combo: oh dear :/
[12:53] <the-erm> I've gotten startkde to work, but it seems to freeze.
[12:53] <the-erm> I'm playing around with just running kate now.
[12:53] <combo> SlimeyPete: is this matter that before i made: 'sudo apt-get remove xorg-driver-fglrx; sudo apt-get install libgl1-mesa-glx libgl1-mesa-dri' ? :] 
[12:54] <Whiz2> would it help to know that the command I run from tty to start the program is literally "vncserver -geometry 1024x768" without the quotes?
[12:54] <ubuntu> I went to system settings and then to monitor and display...hardware tab and changed monitor 1 from default1 do something else...
[12:54] <SlimeyPete> combo: that shouldn't get rid of kdm
[12:54] <ubuntu> custom1 I mean
[12:54] <Whiz2> the-erm: once I start vncserver, and use it to login to my desktop, I can do anything I could do if I were sitting at my keyboard
[12:55] <combo> SlimeyPete: i screw my system cuz i've tried install this stupid ATI AIGLX drivers! AAAAAAArrrggggggghhhhh!! :[
[12:55] <SlimeyPete> yeah, the ATI drivers suck
[12:55] <Whiz2> don't have to figure out how to run anything... I'm thinking you might be confused as to what I'm trying to do
[12:55] <SlimeyPete> they're awful.
[12:55] <ubuntu> any way I can fix this from terminal mode...dpkg-reconfigure does not work...are these settings in xorg.conf or are they saved elsewhere?
[12:55] <combo> SlimeyPete: what do u order to do now ? any ideas? :D
[12:56] <the-erm> Whiz2: what program are you trying to run inside of X through vnc?
[12:56] <ubuntu> such as: can I fix this from a live cd or terminal?
[12:56] <Whiz2> nothing
[12:56] <Whiz2> here is what I'mtrying to do...
[12:57] <Abnaxos> Hi there!
[12:58] <Abnaxos> I just did that minor KDE upgrade of today ... now, after logging in, the keyboard won't work anymore. :(
[12:58] <Abnaxos> Is this a known problem?
[12:58] <SlimeyPete> combo: you could try "telinit 1" to enter single-ur mode (save all your work first!!)
[12:58] <SlimeyPete> that should kill X as far as I remember
[12:58] <Whiz2> When kubuntu boots up, i let it go to the kde login screen, but i never actually login... from there, I ssh into the machine, login to the console as my user, then run the command "vncserver -geometry  1024x768" (without the quotes) ... then it loads my desktop session, and i can vnc right to my desktop... I want vncserver to load like that automatically
[12:58] <combo> SlimeyPete: i decided to try install XGL this time from beggining
[12:58] <combo> maybe this time it will wokr
[12:59] <SlimeyPete> fingers crossed :)
[12:59] <combo> i'm too lame to try something with commands like these :] 
[12:59] <Whiz2> that is what I'm trying to do
[12:59] <yeniklasorr> I cannot mix microfon and "idjc" player voice. Can someone help me ?
[12:59] <ubuntu> can I do some sort of reinstall but still keep all my installed programs and saved files?
[12:59] <Whiz2> all I want is for vncserver to run as me, including my environment (home dir) every time the computer boots up, so that I don't have to go through all that
[01:00] <ubuntu> or perhaps uninstall and then reinstall kde?
[01:02] <Whiz2> there has to be a way to do it
[01:02] <ubuntu> that's what I
[01:02] <ubuntu> 'm saying
[01:02] <Whiz2> lol
[01:02] <Whiz2> yeah, but yours is somethihng totallydifferent
[01:02] <ubuntu> true...still...there must be a way
[01:02] <Whiz2> mine should be simple... but nooooo.....
[01:03] <ubuntu> I refuse to believe that it's impossible
[01:03] <Whiz2> and tacking the command into Xsession i think isn't the way
[01:03] <Abnaxos> No ideas?
[01:03] <SlimeyPete> I still think you should give it a go. It'll only take a moment to try it ;p
[01:03] <Abnaxos> I'm at work and just installed what looked like a minor security upgrade.
[01:03] <Whiz2> Xsession is only parameters
[01:04] <Abnaxos> It's a bit hard to work without keyboard ...
[01:04] <naor> hi guys
[01:04] <naor> i need help
[01:04] <combo> if i made those four commands :: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/34877/ :: is XGL driver installed on my ATI ? :}
[01:04] <naor> when i press shutdown the pc doesnt shutdown
[01:04] <SlimeyPete> Whiz2: /usr/share/kdm/Xsession isn't.
[01:04] <SlimeyPete> kde.desktop is
[01:04] <SlimeyPete> the Xsession one is a script.
[01:05] <combo> ?????
[01:05] <naor> anyone here can help me out?
[01:05] <SlimeyPete> naor: Laptop with a Radeon card?
[01:06] <naor> no
[01:06] <naor> a normal pc with ati x600
[01:06] <naor> the screen just turns black
[01:06] <naor> but the pc stays working
[01:07] <runlevelten> no acpi?
[01:07] <naor> what?
[01:09] <Whiz2> looking at this... the version of Xsession that vncserver gets it stuff from is actually called from the one you want me to edit... therefore... that tells me that it still wont' work... vncserver is the beginning of the execution chain here
[01:09] <ubuntu> ...
[01:10] <ubuntu> would uninstalling then reinstalling kde work?
[01:10] <ubuntu> would that reset everything back to defaults?
[01:10] <SlimeyPete> Whiz2: if you run vnserver manually it isn't the beginning of the execution chain. Xsession etchas already been executed. Therefore shovng it at the end of the script should work just the same.
[01:11] <naor> anyone can help me out here?
[01:11] <Whiz2> look at the very lastline
[01:12] <ubuntu> yes?
[01:12] <ubuntu> no?
[01:12] <Whiz2> it is . /etc/X11/Xsession (which means that script ends with calling vnc's Xsession" which means if it were executing, then the desktop would ne up
[01:12] <SlimeyPete> Whiz2: you're missing my point. vncserver can evidently execute after the xsession has ben executed, even though it in turn executes said xsession, because that's what happens when you run it mnually from kde
[01:12] <ubuntu> maybe?
[01:12] <SlimeyPete> if it works that way,it should work this way too :)
[01:13] <Whiz2> fine. where do I put my command?
[01:13] <SlimeyPete> just shove it at the end, if I were you :)
[01:13] <SlimeyPete> or you could try before the xsession line if you prefer
[01:13] <SlimeyPete> then... cross fingers ;)
[01:14] <Whiz2> shoot! where was that version located again?
[01:14] <SlimeyPete> /usr/share/kdm/Xsession
[01:14] <SlimeyPete> iirc
[01:14] <progreSS> hi ALL
[01:15] <SlimeyPete> hrm, or not
[01:15] <SlimeyPete> I'veforgotten too ;) gimma  a minute
[01:15] <progreSS> can anybody help me out with my nickname in here?
[01:15] <SlimeyPete> Whiz2: /etc/kde3/kdm/
[01:15] <progreSS> it is progreSSive, but it says "16:09]  [Nick]  Nickname already in use, try a different"
[01:15] <progreSS> why?
[01:15] <progreSS> )
[01:16] <Whiz2> are you sure it wouldn't go into Xstartup?
[01:17] <SlimeyPete> Whiz2: pretty sure. Xstartup is run as root, Xsesion is run as you, so the atter seems like the best bet
[01:17] <SlimeyPete> bah I hate this keyboard
[01:18] <Whiz2> rebooting...
[01:18] <SlimeyPete> you can jst hit ctrl-alt-backspace, Whiz2 :)
[01:19] <Whiz2> good thing I'mnot on here with that computer... or I would have to logout of here
[01:19] <Whiz2> nope
[01:19] <Whiz2> killing X never works forme
[01:19] <Whiz2> i always freeze, or get an error
[01:19] <SlimeyPete> oh right
[01:20] <Whiz2> has something to do with the way the computer is
[01:20] <SlimeyPete> right... I'm off to lunch with my colleagues. Good luck. If it doesn't work then sorry for wasting your time ;)
[01:20] <Whiz2> i'm looking for an error, or loop :-p
[01:21] <Whiz2> enjoy
[01:21] <progreSS> can anybody help me out
[01:21] <progreSS> i cant switch to my own nickname
[01:21] <progreSS> it says: [16:13]  [Nick]  Nickname already in use, try a different one.
[01:21] <Whiz2> on here?
[01:21] <progreSS> wtf
[01:21] <progreSS> yeah
[01:21] <Whiz2> then that means someone is already using it
[01:21] <Whiz2> nothing you cando about that
[01:22] <progreSS> how come!
[01:22] <progreSS> i'd been using it yesterday..
[01:22] <SlimeyPete> if you register your nick, you can do a /msg nickserv ghost <password>
[01:22] <Whiz2> because your nickname isn't registered.
[01:22] <progreSS> or is there a way to use a "ghost" command?
[01:22] <progreSS> no it is
[01:22] <progreSS> it is progreSSive
[01:22] <progreSS> )
[01:22] <progreSS> but i cant switch to it :)
[01:23] <Whiz2> then /msg nickserv ghost <password>
[01:23] <progreSSive> nice!
[01:24] <progreSSive> Whiz2, SlimeyPete, thanks guys! appreciate!! )
[01:24] <progreSSive> oh and, is there any sybase chatrooms?
[01:24] <Whiz2> i wouldn't know that
[01:24] <progreSSive> or any database chatrooms?
[01:25] <Whiz2> or that
[01:25] <progreSSive> well anyways, thanks :)
[01:25] <Whiz2> yup
[01:25] <progreSSive> i'm afraid to use the /list command... the list is too huge )
[01:26] <tristan_> Dudes, I got a logitech QuickCam Pro 5000 and want to know how to get it to work in Linux, any ideas?
[01:26] <the-erm> Whiz2: Maybe you're over thinking it.   Perhaps all you need to do is edit /etc/init.d/kdm.
[01:26] <the-erm> let me look at something else ...
[01:26] <tristan_> I was reading this http://linux-uvc.berlios.de but I'm unsure what to do with it.
[01:28] <Whiz2> the-erm: would it help to know that vnc createsan X session?
[01:29] <progreSSive> does anybody know a database room in this chat? )
[01:30] <the-erm> I don't know ... don't play with vncserver enough to know.  Personally I just run stuff from the console via ssh.  I edit files via sftp:// and I rarely need to run anything graphically on the computer I connect to.
[01:31] <Whiz2> it requires the X server to be running first
[01:32] <Whiz2> I'mthinking Xstartup
[01:33] <the-erm> If I wanted vnc to run whenever I logged in I'd write a script and put it in ~/.kde/Autostart/
[01:33] <c1|freaky> anyone in here using kdevelop and can tell me good options for autocompletion? f.e. if i create a class: class Bla { int i; public: Bla { } }; and in main i type: Bla blubb; blubb. and then it should automagically display the variables and functions in the class, and this also with classes of the standard library like for string so i dont have to remember all possible operations a class provides but can scroll through  a list of member functions which
[01:33] <c1|freaky>  usually describe themselves and that way dont have to search for it in a book everytime i forget something
[01:33] <Whiz2> i want it to run before kde!
[01:33] <Whiz2> before i login
[01:33] <the-erm> If I wanted it to run whenever Xstarted I'd put it in /etc/init.d/kdm under start)
[01:38] <Whiz2> where exactly under start)?
[01:40] <Remo_A> hm, once again, the adept updater(or aptitude or apt-get, name it) upgrades a package which worked and now doesn't anymore... sdp process is not running, I can't use bluetooth or USB connections under feisty now since the last update
[01:40] <the-erm> Whiz2: Right after kdm starts.  I'll be right back I'm going to try it there.  This of course requires me to totally stop kdm.
[01:41] <Remo_A> any hints what package might be the problem here?
[01:42] <progreSSive> people, anybody knows any database channels in here???
[01:43] <combo> does anyone use GUARDDOG? cuz i'm not sure how to have a connection?! :T
[01:44] <Remo_A> what program has the sdpd in it?
[01:44] <the-erm> ok Whiz2 I'm back, and now time to test the theory, I'm going to log in as my wife in a nother session and see if I can control this one.
[01:46] <Remo_A> weird, no hits, what is it about that? why should konqueror be asking for the running sdpd process else than it not being active?
[01:46] <Remo_A> http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-392407.html
[01:46] <combo> !guarddog
[01:46] <ubotu> Ubuntu, like any other linux distribution, has firewall capabilities built-in. The firewall is managed using the 'iptables' command (see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/IptablesHowTo), or GUI applications such as Firestarter (Gnome) or Guarddog (KDE).
[01:47] <Remo_A> hcid -s did the trick, but boy, why is that not automated?
[02:08] <senan> sena
[02:08] <senan> jakarta
[02:08] <sarge> jose, stop
[02:11] <miles> ok hi
[02:12] <miles> cameron diaz?
[02:15] <kondeDrakulj> anyone know about 25 updates from today?
[02:16] <zorg_the_false> q. ubuntu has a tool to help the autocompletion of option inside shell ? how is it called ? and especially how do i disable it ?
[02:17] <pag> zorg_the_false, you mean the command autocompletion in bash?
[02:17] <zorg_the_false> pag: yep but not the normal executable one with PATH and filename, the one with the options behinds
[02:17] <combo> - do u know some name of program that is alike to Wind. Movie Maker?
[02:18] <combo> * i mean - veeeery similar :D
[02:18] <pag> zorg_the_false, hmm... dunno sorry.
[02:18] <zorg_the_false> Pici> zorg_the_false: The files are in /etc/bash_completion.d/ <- i got the answer elsewhere, thanks :)
[02:19] <combo> and do u know some program that can make an animation gif from movie? :T
[02:20] <Chousuke> mplayer can, afaik.
[02:20] <Chousuke> be warned though: it will take a crapload of space.
[02:21] <combo> Chousuke: eeeeee? mplayer?!
[02:21] <Chousuke> yeah
[02:21] <combo> Chousuke: r u sure ? :] 
[02:21] <Chousuke> just see -vo help
[02:21] <combo> apt-get install mplayer ? :] 
[02:21] <combo> chouse
[02:21] <combo> ok i'l' see it :)
[02:22] <Chousuke> I'm not sure though, but at least I think mplayer can output to gif files
[02:22] <Chousuke> you need to use it from the command line for that, though
[02:23] <the-erm> Whiz2: for the record I can't figure it out.  Sorry man
[02:25] <combo> !kpf
[02:25] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about kpf - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[02:25] <progreSSive> people, anybody knows any database channels in here???
[02:25] <the-erm> progreSSive: #mysql :?
[02:26] <progreSSive> the-erm, sybase, preferably )
[02:26] <the-erm> progreSSive: nope no one in #sybase
[02:26] <progreSSive> the-erm, damn, okay, thanks anyways!!
[02:27] <progreSSive> the-erm, oh, any #oracle? ))
[02:27] <combo> i added some new applet to MAIN PANEL - it's public server-something ? i have a quest. :: how it works ? :] 
[02:27] <the-erm> progreSSive: you could type /join #oracle to find out.
[02:27] <progreSSive> yeah ))
[02:27] <progreSSive> thanks
[02:27] <miles> e
[02:27] <miles> "moo" - cow
[02:28] <Moo> ..
[02:28] <the-erm> combo: http://localhost:port
[02:28] <miles> oh my fault, i didnt know someone had that name in here
[02:28] <miles> i was just acting silly
[02:28] <miles> small world, eh?
[02:29] <combo> the-erm: it works! THX :D:D
[02:32] <_Shade_> how can i add user to a specified group?
[02:34] <pag> _Shade_, sudo adduser username groupname
[02:34] <combo> the-erm: can i protect that server with password somehow? that to the http://localhost:port/ access will be limited ? :] 
[02:35] <combo> this little remote server is unbelievable COOOOOOOL :D:D i've been searching something like this for Windows for all my life :)
[02:35] <the-erm> combo: it'd be better to install apache, then set up a password.   I haven't sued the server applet in years.
[02:35] <combo> !apache
[02:35] <ubotu> LAMP is an acronym for Linux-Apache-MySQL-PHP. However, the term is often used for setups using alternative but different software, such as Perl or Python instead of PHP, and Postgres instead of MySQL. For help with setting up LAMP on Ubuntu, see  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ApacheMySQLPHP - See also the Server CD installation process (different in Edgy+)
[02:36] <combo> the-erm: and thanks apache i'll be able to set my privacy server on HDD, won't i  ?:>
[02:37] <the-erm> combo: It's pretty easy installing apache sudo apt-get install apache   you can mkdir ~/public_html/ and then http://localhost/~username/
[02:37] <combo> the-erm: ok - thx once again :D
[02:38] <the-erm> from there you'll need to edit ~/.htaccess tell it to allow indexes, and set up the password.  check in #apache and ask them about how to set up passwords.  I forget at this time, but it involves running htpasswd
[02:38] <combo> the-erm: and one more quest. - istead of localhost might be my IP adress ?
[02:39] <the-erm> yes, if you're behind a router you'll need to forward port 80
[02:39] <combo> the-erm: ok, i'll ask on #apache for more details :)
[02:39] <combo> wohoho... such many people on #apache chanell :D:D
[02:42] <the-erm> oops not ~/.htaccess but ~/public_html/.htaccess
[02:58] <alexnicol> What program can I use to batch create thumbnails
[02:59] <twosouls82> bash + imagemagick
[03:03] <BlueVette> good morning.
[03:04] <vprints> what exactly are "Pre-released updates" ?
[03:04] <BlueVette> I just installed Kubuntu 7.04 onto this iMac (PPC) and I cannot locate vnc files to install using adept... Why am I missing them?
[03:05] <JackPhil> I can use mplayer as an engine of kaffeine in edgy
[03:05] <JackPhil> but now in feisty, I cannt choose it
[03:06] <vprints> BlueVette, mabe you just have to update your repositories or they are not set yet
[03:06] <JackPhil> there is no such a option for mplayer, just xine
[03:06] <BlueVette> hmm. okay
[03:06] <JackPhil> addtional, edgy and feisty on different machine
[03:06] <BlueVette> Does the PPC release of Kubuntu have pretty much all the same apps in Adept as the intel versions?
[03:06] <JackPhil> any help?
[03:07] <tristan_> Hello nerds, my webcam works in ekiga, it's a logitech quickcam pro 5000, with UVC, but it wont work with either Kopete or aMSN, help...
[03:08] <SlimeyPete> real men gulp.
[03:08] <tristan_> Off-topic.
[03:09] <SlimeyPete> well noticed. Have a sticker :)
[03:09] <tristan_> This is a help channel, you know, for people who need help
[03:10] <SlimeyPete> I do apologise if our two-line offtopic conversation prevented others from recieving assistance.
[03:14] <SlimeyPete> genii: good plan
[03:15] <jtt> can anyone tell how and why fstab is getting rewritten on reboots
[03:15] <miles> jtt a script might be executing that does so
[03:16] <jtt> miles yes i am sure of that but i need to know what one
[03:16] <tristan_> Hello nerds, my webcam works in ekiga, it's a logitech quickcam pro 5000, with UVC, but it wont work with either Kopete or aMSN, help...
[03:17] <twosouls82> tristan_: you really expect to get help like that?
[03:17] <tristan_> yes
[03:17] <SlimeyPete> "geeks", if you please ;p
[03:18] <tristan_> similar thing
[03:21] <U238Willy> ./ignore
[03:21] <tristan_> Hello nerds, my webcam works in ekiga, it's a logitech quickcam pro 5000, with UVC, but it wont work with either Kopete or aMSN, help...
[03:23] <tristan_> YOU'RE A COMMUNITY OF BASTARDS no offence
[03:23] <[GuS] > tristan_: do not repeat your question... as you may wait to be helped
[03:23] <runlevelten> !attitude
[03:23] <ubotu> The people in this channel are volunteers. Your attitude will determine how fast you are helped. See also http://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcGuidelines
[03:23] <[GuS] > bah
[03:24] <[GuS] > tristan_: dont will never get help like that, use google instead
[03:24] <tristan_> This is why Windows sucks less, it works... sort of but it works...
[03:24] <SlimeyPete> depends what you want to do, really.
[03:25] <[GuS] > then keep using windows tristan_
[03:25] <SlimeyPete> I find that kubuntu works well for my needs, YMMV :)
[03:25] <U238Willy> ../troll
[03:25] <tristan_> ur needs are only porn
[03:26] <SlimeyPete> I have other needs too ;p
[03:26] <BlueVette> tristan_ is pretty freaking sweet.
[03:26] <tristan_> cheers
[03:26] <[GuS] > lol
[03:27] <newtokubuntu> how to i start desktop effects in kubuntu?
[03:27] <tristan_> What desktop effects?
[03:28] <tristan_> Widgets and stuff?
[03:28] <tristan_> You need to install superkaramba
[03:28] <pag> !beryl | newtokubuntu
[03:28] <newtokubuntu> i'm running the gutsy alpha 5
[03:28] <ubotu> newtokubuntu: beryl is a window manager that takes advantage of an OpenGL accelerated X environment. Help in #ubuntu-effects
[03:28] <[GuS] > He measn compiz FUusion
[03:28] <newtokubuntu> so compiz fusion, yeah
[03:28] <tristan_> sudo apt-get install superkaramba
[03:28] <[GuS] > means*
[03:28] <tristan_> Or that.
[03:28] <[GuS] > tristan_: stop with the bullshit
[03:28] <newtokubuntu> Is it included by default or do I have to install it
[03:29] <tristan_> [GuS] : Sorry, what was that? Bullshit?
[03:29] <combo> the-erm: suuuuuuuux; this apache is difficult as hell!!! :] 
[03:29] <tristan_> I was helping him, you shit eating bastard.
[03:29] <[GuS] > your last name is tristan_ :P
[03:29] <pag> !language | tristan_
[03:29] <ubotu> tristan_: Please watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.
[03:30] <[GuS] > and Superkaramba is not desktop effects.
[03:30] <[GuS] > newtokubuntu:
[03:30] <[GuS] > do you know how to add repositories?
[03:30] <[GuS] > so i could tell you which one to add for Compiz Fusion
[03:31] <Ben_Cs> hello. i have a file: warzone2100-2.0.7.package . how do i install it?
[03:31] <newtokubuntu> Gus: yes, /etc/apt/sources.list
[03:31] <[GuS] > good
[03:31] <[GuS] > then add this one: deb http://ubuntu.moshen.de feisty eyecandy
[03:31] <runlevelten> !language | tristan_
[03:31] <ubotu> tristan_: Please watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.
[03:31] <[GuS] > oficial repos from Compiz, then you will get latest
[03:31] <tristan_> eat cock u stupiud dick wad
[03:32] <[GuS] > followed on that newtokubuntu, under the konsole type: wget http://ubuntu.moshen.de/2F306651.gpg -O- | sudo apt-key add -
[03:32] <tristan_> i am 8 yrs old n no more thn u
[03:32] <[GuS] > to add the gpg key for that repo
[03:32] <runlevelten> tristan_: the fact that you are dross, is not our fault.
[03:33] <tristan_> stfu virgins
[03:33] <newtokubuntu> Gus: ok, what's the name of the package?
[03:33] <runlevelten> I highly doubt you are eight years old, too. Now please state your support question in a reasonable way.
[03:33] <tristan_> sorry there all stuiped here
[03:33] <tristan_> they dont help the needy
[03:34] <runlevelten> It's "they're". Now what is your problem?
[03:34] <tristan_> Ask in  ##linux
[03:34] <runlevelten> Your technical problem that is, we have no psychiatry support for you here. :)
[03:34] <tristan_> It's a more friendly, less powercrazed mods.
[03:34] <tristan_> Bringing /b/ackup
[03:34] <runlevelten> Ah, 4chan
[03:35] <runlevelten> !ops | tristan_
[03:35] <ubotu> tristan_: Help! Riddell, fdoving, Mez, jpatrick, seth_k, apokryphos, nalioth, Hobbsee, robotgeek, imbrandon, gnomefreak, Hawkwind, trappist, LjL, Jucato,  haggai, fooishbar, crimsun, seth, apokryphos, DBO, nixternal or PriceChild!
[03:35] <gnomefreak> ?
[03:35] <runlevelten> Just a heads up.
[03:35] <[GuS] > ban!
[03:35] <tristan_> Sorry
[03:35] <tristan_> Me know me as done wrong
[03:35] <[GuS] > :P
[03:35] <tristan_> I am veyr very sorry
[03:36] <runlevelten> tristan_: Nobody's interested in reforming your character. Do you have stuff you want help with?
[03:36] <tristan_> Yeah, my webcam doesn't work in Kopete or aMSN but works in Ekiga
[03:36] <newtokubuntu> [Gus]  how do I install it now?
[03:36] <[GuS] > newtokubuntu: there are a cup of it
[03:37] <[GuS] > you have to install: compiz compiz-kde  for sure
[03:37] <[GuS] > there are another for the configs of Compiz
[03:37] <Hobbsee> !guidelines | tristan_
[03:37] <ubotu> tristan_: The people in this channel are volunteers. Your attitude will determine how fast you are helped. See also http://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcGuidelines
[03:37] <[GuS] > like compizconfig-settings-manager
[03:37] <runlevelten> tristan_: are you using NAT?
[03:38] <tristan_> I think it's a partially blocked nat
[03:38] <tristan_> My problem is it doesn't work in settings, doesn't show a preview.
[03:38] <[GuS] > newtokubuntu: and the pacjage emerald for you WM decorator in kubuntu
[03:38] <runlevelten> You at least need to forward NAT with kopete
[03:39] <runlevelten> Ah, what cam?
[03:39] <[GuS] > package*
[03:39] <tristan_> Ekiga works
[03:39] <newtokubuntu> [Gus]  can you recommend a good tutorial?
[03:39] <runlevelten> s/NAT/ports/
[03:39] <tristan_> Oh, CAM
[03:39] <tristan_> Logitech Quickcam Pro 5000
[03:39] <[GuS] > newtokubuntu: sure, let me check my bookmarks
[03:41] <[GuS] > newtokubuntu: check out the 4 stepp: http://kevin.vanzonneveld.net/techblog/article/enable_compizfusion_in_ubuntu_feisty/
[03:41] <[GuS] > and replace the package compiz-gnome by compiz-kde
[03:42] <enoj_> Does anyone know how I can make my fonts look better? See screenshot: http://enoj.com/fonts.png - As you can see i'm using force fonts dpi and anti-aliasing, but they are still ugly (very thin (and no, using _bold_ doesn't help)).. On my laptop they look _much_ better with same fonts and settings, much easier to read
[03:42] <newtokubuntu> [Gus]  Thank you
[03:42] <[GuS] > newtokubuntu: as well libcompizconfig-backend-gconf by libcompizconfig-backend-kconfig
[03:42] <[GuS] > and dont forget to install emerald
[03:43] <genii> tristan_: some info on bottom of this page on what ports you may want to see are open etc http://wiki.kde.org/tiki-index.php?page=Kopete%20Webcam%20Support&comzone=show
[03:43] <combo> tcp!
[03:43] <combo> !tcp
[03:43] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about tcp - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[03:43] <combo> !udp
[03:43] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about udp - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[03:43] <combo> crap
[03:43] <tristan_> Ah wait.
[03:43] <tristan_> How do I add myself to the video group?
[03:44] <genii> likely 6891 and 6892 need to be opened
[03:44] <tristan_> I think that's the problem.
[03:44] <tristan_> No wait. I'm in the video group...
[03:46] <tuxi2> I'm looking for help installing kde-guidance
[03:46] <runlevelten> tristan_: amsn should support it now.
[03:47] <tristan_> Wait.
[03:47] <tristan_> I don't have the v4l-common module.
[03:48] <jason_> anyone give me feedback on my website, Im an ubuntu user, I want code to tell me how many donations I have recieved etc for free, any idea? http://stimulus.007ihost.com/jenna.html
[03:50] <tristan_> What language
[03:52] <tristan_> jason_:  what language?
[03:52] <jason_> sorry html or php
[03:53] <tristan_> jason_: Best thing to do: go to #php
[03:53] <jason_> tristan_: yup, im just wandering whether it would have to be a paypal script if you know what i mean
[03:54] <Hobbsee> jason_: try #ubuntu-offtopic
[03:54] <tristan_> Can't you just like... view your donations through paypal?
[03:55] <[GuS] > newtokubuntu: for more updated development packages you could add deb http://download.tuxfamily.org/3v1deb feisty eyecandy repo too
[03:58] <Ben_Cs> how does the whole caching system work in kde? suppose i have 2G of RAM. 300MB application use, 200MB buffer, and 1500MB is used by cach. suppose i run an app that needs 200MB. what happens?
[03:59] <SlimeyPete> Ben_Cs: 200MB of your cache is freed and used
[03:59] <SlimeyPete> Ben_Cs: 's not KDE that does it though, it's the kernel
[03:59] <[GuS] > yes, is how linux works
[03:59] <[GuS] > not kde
[04:00] <SlimeyPete> the cache just uses all the spare RAM. It's designed never to interfere with the needs of applications.
[04:00] <Ben_Cs> SlimeyPete: but in gnome it doesn't show that all 2G is used. meaning: nothing is cached?
[04:01] <Ben_Cs> SlimeyPete: doesn't freeing cach to use mem. for apps makes it slow?
[04:01] <mortici> is there an easy way to upgrade kubuntu from edgy to feisty
[04:01] <SlimeyPete> Ben_Cs: I imagine that's just Gnome's memory indicator deciding not to display it
[04:01] <Ben_Cs> i see
[04:02] <SlimeyPete> Ben_Cs: apparently not. 'm no expert on the kernel but supposedly it doesn't affect performance to any significant degree.
[04:02] <SlimeyPete> and if the app has previously been cached it makes load times much better :)
[04:02] <Ben_Cs> i see. thanks. good to know
[04:02] <SlimeyPete> Ben_Cs: you can use "top" from the CLI to see all sorts of details about memory (half of which I don't understand)
[04:04] <genii> mortici: Use method 2 here http://onlyubuntu.blogspot.com/2007/03/upgrade-ubuntu-610-edgy-eft-to-ubuntu.html
[04:05] <pag> !upgrade
[04:05] <ubotu> See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes for upgrading from Kubuntu 6.10 (Edgy Eft) to Kubuntu 7.04 (Feisty Fawn)
[04:05] <scrondle> Hello. I ran a Kubuntu update this morning and KDE is hosed. When I startx I get a popup with "Could not start kstartupconfig. Check your installation."
[04:06] <scrondle> Anyone have any ideas? I've checked permissions on my home directory, and they seem to be appropriate.
[04:08] <JackPhil> It seems kaffeine 0.8.5 could not realize the mplayer installed in the sytem
[04:08] <JackPhil> but 0.8.3 can
[04:10] <combo> !wine
[04:10] <ubotu> wine is a compatibility layer for running Windows programs on GNU/Linux. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Wine for more information.
[04:13] <combo> - can some1 help with wine. some fixme error: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/34891/ :S
[04:13] <scrondle> Is anyone else having problem with the latest KDE updates?
[04:19] <drif> is there some util which would give me info about my memory chips?
[04:20] <combo> - how to configure wine?
[04:20] <drif> combo: which setup.exe is that?
[04:21] <combo> drif: what u mean whcih?
[04:21] <combo> *which
[04:21] <drif> well..setup.exe - it can be any software in the world..
[04:21] <combo> i want to confure wine so i can have a voice
[04:21] <Hobbsee> scrondle: you probably wont get an answer, due to the lack of information
[04:21] <combo> this is 123 AVI to GIF converter v3.0 :D
[04:21] <genii> scrondle: Not directly *buntu related but informative on this subject: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?t=328302
[04:22] <combo> drif: oh.. u're saying about previous error :)
[04:22] <drif> combo: referring to your paste
[04:22] <combo> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/34891/
[04:22] <combo> u mean it ?
[04:22] <drif> yup
[04:24] <scrondle> Thank you. I've seen that. I ran the update utilitiy this morning. There were about twenty updates to KDE. I ran them, afterwards I started getting error messages from Konqureror regarding KHTML being missing. I rebooted, then I received the error message regarding kstartupconfig.
[04:24] <drif> btw, does anyone know what might be switching my keyboard repeat off?
[04:24] <drif> like some shortcut I might accidentaly use
[04:25] <scrondle> "find / -name kstartupconfig" doesn't find anything, but I've never done any troubleshooting regarding that, so I don't know if it should.
[04:25] <elite101> hey i enabled a HDD (spare) and formatted it with Linux-swap will that make my computer faster? or does it really matter about RAM?
[04:25] <Hobbsee> scrondle: use sudo chown -R user.user ~/.kde and restart X
[04:25] <Hobbsee> scrondle: usually means something in ~/.kde has been run as root, so the permissions have changed.
[04:25] <Hobbsee> elite101: the ram tends to matter more
[04:26] <elite101> yeah
[04:26] <elite101> well will it make a diff, at all thou?
[04:26] <Hobbsee> maybe.
[04:26] <I_Will_Rock_U> elite101 what is your RAM size
[04:28] <scrondle> Hobbsee: No dice, same error.
[04:28] <Hobbsee> scrondle: oh, sorry, i'tll need to be ~, not .kde/
[04:28] <Hobbsee> scrondle: and i'm assuming you replaced user with your username
[04:28] <scrondle> Hobsee: Yes, of course.
[04:28] <scrondle> I'll try it again
[04:31] <yelele> hello
[04:31] <troy> hey guys, I'm haing a problem upgrading my install due to a broken package (j2re1.4)... nothing on my system depends on this package, so I was wondering if anyone knows a way to force its removal?
[04:31] <yelele> good night
[04:31] <scrondle> Hobsee: Same error with the new syntax.
[04:31] <yelele> why i can install rpm
[04:31] <yelele> why i can't install rpm
[04:32] <yelele> who can help me
[04:32] <yelele> thanks
[04:32] <Hobbsee> !rpm
[04:32] <ubotu> RPM is the RedHat Package Management system. Ubuntu uses !APT, not RPM. RPM packages are not supported (the package "alien" can allow installing them, but it's quite dangerous)
[04:32] <I_Will_Rock_U> !deb
[04:32] <ubotu> deb is the Debian package format, also used by Ubuntu. To install .deb files, simply double-click on them (Ubuntu) or right-click and select Kubuntu Package Menu->install (Kubuntu)
[04:33] <Hobbsee> scrondle: weird.
[04:33] <rami> I cant get rosegarden to work, everytime i open it it says "system tile lapse to low". it can open midi files but i cant have sound so i dont know what i edity, help please?
[04:33] <scrondle> Hobbsee: I know. I've tried a few troubleshooting threads and have not had success.
[04:33] <I_Will_Rock_U> troy try "sudo aptitude install package"
[04:34] <yelele> ok try&try thanks a lot
[04:34] <ksivaji> !alien
[04:34] <ubotu> RPM is the RedHat Package Management system. Ubuntu uses !APT, not RPM. RPM packages are not supported (the package "alien" can allow installing them, but it's quite dangerous)
[04:34] <rami> !rosegarden
[04:34] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about rosegarden - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:36] <ksivaji> !frostwire
[04:36] <ubotu> frostwire is a totally open source version of Limewire.  For installation help, please see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FrostWire
[04:37] <troy> ksivaji: fails: dpkg: error processing j2re1.4 (--remove): \n  subprocess post-removal script returned error exit status 1 \n Errors were encountered while processing: \n j2re1.4 \n E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[04:37] <scrondle> Hobbsee: Do you have any idea where I might look to see if others are having the same problem with this latest update to KDE?
[04:37] <elite101> I_Will_Rock_u, i have 327mb of ram ;) (sd ram :(
[04:39] <rami> help.....
[04:39] <ksivaji> elite101 cool i think ubuntu can run even in 36Mb RAM
[04:39] <Hobbsee> scrondle: ubuntuforums, i guess
[04:39] <Hobbsee> ksivaji: uh.....no
[04:40] <Hobbsee> ksivaji: 256mb is the minimum
[04:40] <Hobbsee> elite101: you may want to run xubuntu
[04:41] <yelele> ubuntu contain gcc.how can i use gcc and look gcc version
[04:41] <SlimeyPete> ubuntu doesn't contain gcc.
[04:41] <SlimeyPete> you have to install it.
[04:41] <yelele> ok tahnks
[04:42] <yelele> thanks
[04:42] <ksivaji> yelele gcc filename.c to compile and ./a.out to execute binary file
[04:42] <yelele> if i install gcc.how can i look gcc version
[04:43] <_stranger_> guys, do u know how i can edit k-menu, other than using the menu editor?
[04:43] <Tomi-idle> yelele: gcc --version
[04:44] <troy> _stranger_: the kmenu is just a collection of .desktop files that live in folders across your system.
[04:44] <yelele> like gcc2.0 or gcc 2.5 how to know gcc *.*
[04:45] <yelele> ok i know
[04:45] <yelele> thanks
[04:45] <yelele> gcc  4.0.3 (Ubuntu 4.0.3-1ubuntu5)
[04:46] <yelele> why i can't use 'make'.i must install make from ftp.gnu.org
[04:46] <ksivaji> troy have you fixed your problem
[04:47] <Vaelen> yelele: try 'apt-get install make'
[04:48] <troy> ksivaji: yes, but I can't explain why it's fixed... I tried using sudo from another user and it worked...
[04:48] <ksivaji> troy fone
[04:48] <ksivaji> fine*
[04:49] <troy> ksivaji: thanks for putting up with me - it's a really strange error that I've never seen before...
[04:49] <yelele> ok t try
[04:49] <yelele> ok i try
[04:50] <elite101> im running Kubuntu 7.04 on 323mb ram it runs smoooth. I even have only 4gb HDD and runs good. I would perfer 1tb SATA but i have to wait for a new sys, Quad core.
[04:51] <elite101> 327*megs really but the MOBO has onboard like 4-6megs
[04:51] <ksivaji> any one using FrostWire here ?
[04:51] <elite101> no but i do use Limewire
[04:51] <elite101> Frostwire downloads but then Kate opens up >.<
[04:52] <Azzco> Hello I'm from sweden and I have my desktop set to english, I want Koffice to use swedish for word correction.. how?
[04:52] <BluesKaj> elite101, how much space is kubuntu using on your HDD ?
[04:52] <ksivaji> dpkg-deb: `/home/sivaji/package/frostwire-4.13.2.i586.deb' is not a debian format archive
[04:52] <elite101> about 3gbs so far
[04:53] <elite101> i have alot of programs and an ISO downloaded too im pushing the bare minumum
[04:53] <eddyspagetty> how to make a "checkdisk" on kubuntu?
[04:53] <elite101> lol
[04:53] <Daisuke_Laptop> eddyspagetty: fsck
[04:53] <BluesKaj> ok, thx... thinking of using it on an old 233 MMX pc with XFCE
[04:53] <elite101> lol Xubuntu
[04:53] <Daisuke_Laptop> and you wouldn't happen to be a King fan, would you?
[04:53] <BluesKaj> 128 RAM
[04:53] <elite101> i use Kubuntu K6-500Mhz
[04:53] <elite101> AMD
[04:54] <Daisuke_Laptop> don't knock xubuntu, it's awesome for low-power situations
[04:54] <elite101> lol i mean 323 megs is a little slow but it works
[04:54] <Daisuke_Laptop> though fluxbox would be faster, i'd think
[04:54] <Tomi-idle> low-power ftw :D
[04:54] <elite101> :)
[04:54] <eddyspagetty> Daisuke_Laptop: do i have to add the driveletter or something , and is it safe to use (even for a noob)?
[04:54] <elite101> ppl keep on inturupting this convo :(
[04:54] <elite101> but werer kind off-topic
[04:55] <Tomi-idle> i had kde running fine on 256mb ram. ofc not openoffice or anything like that
[04:55] <Tomi-idle> koffice is pretty good though
[04:55] <BluesKaj> yeah Daisuke_Laptop, thinking i tmight be easier and faster than XP which simply crawls
[04:55] <elite101> yeah i take off all that crap i need
[04:55] <Tomi-idle> m$ took out the "Get the facts" website..
[04:55] <elite101> like c;mon Phone Dialer?
[04:55] <elite101> Dial-up? o_0
[04:56] <BluesKaj> the MMX pc is used as an mp3 music server
[04:56] <Daisuke_Laptop> eddyspagetty: there's no such thing as a drive letter in kubuntu
[04:56] <Daisuke_Laptop> Tomi-idle: but they added /compare, which is nearly as bad
[04:56] <eddyspagetty> Daisuke_Laptop: i meant partition ;)
[04:56] <Tomi-idle> i wonder if there should be some sort of hack for a filemanager to add drive letters ;P
[04:56] <BlueVette> Hello.  Question for yall.   Running Kubuntu PPC 7.04 ... is there a ppc version of Flash 9 for this system?
[04:56] <Daisuke_Laptop> especially when they try yo say windows gives you more choice :)
[04:57] <Daisuke_Laptop> eddyspagetty: yes, you'll need to specify the partition
[04:57] <BluesKaj> elite101, this MMX has 6G HDD , so it can store alotta music
[04:57] <elite101> G4 tech tv Metal gear solid4 video/trailer :)
[04:57] <elite101> :)
[04:57] <SlimeyPete> 6G isn't a lot of music ;p
[04:57] <Daisuke_Laptop> Tomi-idle: i would hope a hack like that never arises, because drive letters just don't work that well
[04:57] <BluesKaj> at the cost of good sound
[04:57] <genii> Tomi-idle: whoever writes something like that needs to be smacked around
[04:58] <Daisuke_Laptop> 6g...  yeah, multiply that times 30 and get back to me :P
[04:58] <Tomi-idle> i was sort of kidding :D
[04:58] <_stranger_> guys, tell me honestly, what's better: ubuntu, or kubuntu? =)
[04:58] <BluesKaj> SlimeyPete, at 128kb , it can store plenty of mp3s
[04:58] <Daisuke_Laptop> whatever you prefer, gnome or kde
[04:58] <Tomi-idle> but some coming from windows might actually have a more "home" feeling with drive lettering (eventhough they might not actually mean antyhing)
[04:58] <Daisuke_Laptop> _stranger_: there is no real "better"
[04:58] <BlueVette> _stranger_: pclinuxos :)
[04:59] <SlimeyPete> desktopBSD ;)
[04:59] <Daisuke_Laptop> most of us are using kubuntu (it's the kubuntu channel, after all)
[04:59] <BlueVette> I don't care for gnome
[04:59] <yelele> root@yelele-desktop:/tmp/make# make
[04:59] <yelele> bash: make: command not found
[04:59] <boris_> slimeypete hows desktopbsd like ?
[04:59] <boris_> is it fast ?
[04:59] <_stranger_> apt-get install make
[04:59] <yelele> what's mean
[04:59] <Tomi-idle> i tried gnome, i tried to force myself to use gnome, but kde is better for me
[04:59] <SlimeyPete> boris_: was pretty good last time I tried
[05:00] <SlimeyPete> boris_: not quite as easy as ubuntu. About the same speed, maybe a little quicker.
[05:00] <SlimeyPete> but that was over a year ago
[05:00] <boris_> aha
[05:00] <_stranger_> i know a guy, who uses openbsd with xfce as a desktop )
[05:00] <genii> _stranger_: since they both use the same engine underneath the window managere it is just whatever you find prettier or easier to use
[05:00] <boris_> sorry i joined recently  and i didnt see everything u wrote
[05:00] <Vaelen> _stranger_: There is an xfce version of ubuntu too.
[05:01] <yelele> _stranger_> how can i do?thanks
[05:01] <Daisuke_Laptop> apt-get install build-essential
[05:01] <Daisuke_Laptop> not make
[05:01] <Vaelen> Daisuke_Laptop: Ahh, good to know, thanks.
[05:01] <chaosrat> hell-o!
[05:02] <Vaelen> Does that install gcc too if you don't already have it?
ok how can i install 'make'
[05:02] <Vaelen> yelele: installing the package called 'build-essential' will install make.
[05:02] <yelele> gcc 4.3  my ntuntu
[05:03] <_stranger_> sudo apt-get install make build-essential
[05:03] <_stranger_> just like that )
[05:03] <yelele> ok try wait a monent
[05:05] <yelele> root@yelele-desktop:/# sudo apt-get install make build-essential
[05:05] <yelele> E:  /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable)
[05:05] <yelele> E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?
[05:05] <yelele> why
[05:05] <yelele> error where
[05:05] <phpcode> yelele:  "is another process using it?"
[05:05] <_stranger_> close synaptic or adept
[05:05] <Daisuke_Laptop> is another copy of adept open?
[05:05] <_stranger_> whatever u have open :)
[05:08] <yelele> ok just i use the soft update .
[05:09] <_stranger_> yelele: what do u wanna compile anyway? =)
[05:10] <yelele> wanna compile anyway? =   this i don't know
[05:10] <yelele> sorry
[05:10] <_stranger_> what program do you want to compile/make ?
[05:10] <yelele> apache
[05:11] <yelele> &make-3.81 from ftp.gnu.org
[05:12] <_stranger_> wouldn't it be better to just install it using apt-get? from the repository?
[05:13] <yelele>  repository   what's mean
[05:14] <jhutchins> !repository | yelele
[05:14] <ubotu> yelele: The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[05:14] <yelele> ok
[05:16] <jhutchins> !packages | yelele: see also https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoftwareManagement
[05:16] <ubotu> yelele: see also https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoftwareManagement: You can browse and search for Ubuntu packages using !Synaptic, !Adept, "apt-cache search <keywords or regex>", the "apt:/" URL in KDE, or online at http://packages.ubuntu.com - Ubuntu has about 20000 packages available, so please *search* for an official package before installing things in awkward ways!
[05:18] <underdog5004> genii, you still here?
[05:19] <genii> underdog5004: wHERE ELSE WOULD I BE? ;)
[05:19] <genii> bah capslock
[05:19] <underdog5004> ha ha, n00b
[05:19] <underdog5004> j/k
[05:19] <underdog5004> what time is it there?
[05:20] <elite101> hey im having sound issues
[05:20] <elite101> i cant hear anything online?
[05:20] <genii> underdog5004: 11:20 AM
[05:20] <elite101> not in Konqueror or Firefox?
[05:20] <underdog5004> oh...8:20 here
[05:21] <elite101> i can play songs on my computer and stuff but any audio thats online i cant hear?
[05:21] <elite101> i tried everything in Kmix its just nothing will work? is it my sound card?
[05:22] <elite101> mhm anyone have this happen before?
[05:23] <SlimeyPete> might be a Flash problem?
[05:23] <elite101> yeah
[05:23] <elite101> thats what i was just thinking lol since everything i tried was with flash
[05:23] <SlimeyPete> I've had audio problems in Flash. Think I still do, actually. I'm not sure there's a fix though.
[05:23] <SlimeyPete> aprt from using Gnash instead.
[05:23] <elite101> how do i un-install the flash-plugin in firefox?
[05:23] <elite101> ahh uc
[05:24] <elite101> i un-installed Gnash?
[05:24] <elite101> could that be a problem
[05:24] <elite101> cuz it happend around that time too
[05:24] <SlimeyPete> elite101: gnash is a replacement for flash and vice-versa.
[05:24] <elite101> yeah well i had both of em installed
[05:24] <SlimeyPete> if you uninstall flash and reinstall gnash you might have more luck
[05:24] <SlimeyPete> though gnash won't do everything that flash will
[05:24] <elite101> yeah well i like Flash
[05:24] <elite101> yeah
[05:24] <elite101> like youtube
[05:25] <SlimeyPete> yeah.
[05:25] <elite101> i will install it again
[05:25] <elite101> and c
[05:25] <elite101> i uninstalled it because it was slow on my computer lol im pushing the minumum here
[05:25] <elite101> K6-500Mhz 327mb ram
[05:26] <elite101> i dont like usuing adept makes my computer run slow too
[05:26] <BluesKaj> I'm still trying to get konq to use flash , but no luck so far ... had it working in the previous setup , but I've forgotten how ...the plugin scan on konq does nothing
[05:26] <fkm> Does anybody know what libberylsettings0-kconfig is for? I couldn't find anything useful using google and the README is empty too...
[05:27] <elite101> BluesKaj, i got flash working with konqueror
[05:27] <BluesKaj> elite101, bully for you ,...tell us how then :)
[05:27] <Hobbsee> fkm: beryl kcontrol module, but i dont think it works
[05:27] <elite101> lol
[05:27] <elite101> well u have to use firefox too
[05:28] <BluesKaj> it doesn't help anyone , just to say it works for you
[05:28] <fkm> Ok, because I didn't see any changes in Beryl since I've installed it :) Thank you Hobbsee!
[05:28] <elite101> but what i did is i downloaded firefox went to www.joecartoon.com and then it downloaded the plugin and then i went to konqeuror and youtube works i didnt have to install the one usuing konsole/terminal i never havetoo
[05:28] <BluesKaj> I have FF , and it works fine ...I'd like to get konq to use flash as well
[05:29] <fkm> Ah :D
[05:29] <elite101> well did u install flash from adept/terminal?
[05:29] <elite101> i didnt have to do that i just downloaded FF and installed the plugin and now both of em work :)
[05:29] <fkm> Now I see :D I was looking at the wrong place :| Thank you _very_ much :D
[05:30] <fkm> Now I finally could get rid of the window shadows in Beryl :D
[05:30] <fkm> So. But now I'm off
[05:30] <elite101> alot of ppl have problems with Flash on Konqueror?
[05:30] <fkm> Nice evening everybody!
[05:30] <elite101> lol good afternoon
[05:30] <elite101> 11:30 am here
[05:31] <elite101> who has problems with flash and konqueror?
[05:31] <elite101> anyone?
[05:33] <adenicio> any geeks here know how to do human interface?like control the pc with the wiimote,do streaming from the pc to my psp
[05:33] <jeroenvrplap> can someone please help  me with knetworkmanager
[05:33] <adenicio> elite101: wa is flash?
[05:33] <rabindra> hello
[05:33] <jeroenvrplap> ?
[05:33] <jeroenvrplap> he sees the networks
[05:34] <rabindra> this is the first time I am using IRC
[05:34] <jeroenvrplap> using a linksys with ndiswrapper
[05:34] <jeroenvrplap> so far so good
[05:34] <jeroenvrplap> but when filling in the 128b hex key (open) it hangs on 57%
[05:34] <jeroenvrplap> any solution?
[05:34] <adenicio> elite101: i got prrob with konquer,well not realy it just i like to see my files in detail i want to know where to change the option so when i brows everything is in details
[05:34] <jeroenvrplap> or where I can find the error logs?
[05:36] <adenicio> any geeks here know how to do human interface?like control the pc with the wiimote,do streaming from the pc to my psp
[05:36] <animimotus> hi
[05:36] <jeroenvrplap> adenicio: I think thats to exotic for here
[05:37] <adenicio> animimotus: your name is hard to say
[05:37] <jeroenvrplap> I dont even get answer on my wifi question :-(
[05:37] <animimotus> for me quanta's bug report I search the term for the code structure breadcrumbs that appear in bottom? Like <body><div><strong>
[05:37] <animimotus> * my
[05:38] <adenicio> jeroenvrplap: look so.i'll say allmost the smae for u with your wifi.i give up with the wifi i just run a cable :-)
[05:38] <animimotus> they can understand so? "code structure breadcrumbs"?
[05:39] <adenicio> animimotus: ???wat???
[05:39] <adenicio> runlevelten: hey u there people got question here.arent u workin here to help?
[05:40] <jeroenvrplap> adenicio: actually it works when you dont use knetworkmanager
[05:40] <runlevelten> adenicio: Sorry, I have other stuff I have to do right now, so I am only popping my head in once in a while.
[05:40] <runlevelten> Sorry :(
[05:40] <SlimeyPete> adenicio: none of us "work here"
[05:40] <SlimeyPete> we're volunteers...
[05:41] <runlevelten> !volunteer
[05:41] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about volunteer - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:41] <runlevelten> !volunteers
[05:41] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about volunteers - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:41] <runlevelten> heh
[05:42] <adenicio> runlevelten: lol i forgot u help for free thats good.keep up the good job if it's a job lol SlimeyPete
[05:43] <runlevelten> In my real job I'm actually a tank driver. Hence the long gaps.
[05:44] <BluesKaj> !patience | adenicio
[05:44] <ubotu> adenicio: The people here are volunteers, your attitude may determine how fast you are helped.  Not everyone is available all the time, likewise not every answer is available instantly. See also http://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcGuidelines
[05:44] <SlimeyPete> in *my* real job I'm a programmer, hence the poor typing and general sense of confusion.
[05:44] <U238Willy> haha.. runlevelten.. nice.. ;)
[05:44] <adenicio> runlevelten: your not that smart but maybe u can help me lol.i want to control my mouse with the  wiimote.and the video i does watch in streaming doesnt play with real player.
[05:45] <terrestre> someone having trouble with compiz-fusion?
[05:45] <elite101> well i tried to install Gnash it worked and everything but the sound still does not work so im going to try to remove and re-install Firefox ;)
[05:46] <runlevelten> the what the who now? Well with the wiimote, I don't even know what they use to communicate withv the machine
[05:46] <adenicio> !true | BluesKaj
[05:46] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about true - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:46] <runlevelten> and is it realplayer you're trying to control, or realplay that won't play something?
[05:48] <elite101> jk
[05:49] <elite101> mhm well i just uninstalling some sh*t and now im going to install Firefox/flash to see if my sound works again :)
[05:49] <SlimeyPete> runlevelten: the wiimotes use bluetooth coupled with a bar full of infrared LEDs, just FYI.
[05:49] <SlimeyPete> so you can use them with PCs
[05:49] <SlimeyPete> dunno how it's one though ;)
[05:49] <adenicio> runlevelten: lol.the wiimote is bluetooth butclient blue doesnt detect it.on the web site for the streamin they say to see the video u need pilotes*to see witch i get by downloadin real player.now they say if u want to see the video play with real player right clic but theres no options to play it with real player like windows
[05:49] <elite101> u can use the Wii mote with the xbox 360 there is a tut on it and in the video he is playing halo
[05:50] <hxteam> hi
[05:50] <elite101> u need a ps2 adpater a small Mobile handheld with an "hacked" drivers (bluetooth enabled) and u can use the Wii mote with the 360
[05:51] <elite101> or if u run linux on ur PS3 u can use the xbox 360 controller yet again another "hacked" driver
[05:51] <hxteam> hi
[05:51] <elite101> hey
[05:51] <runlevelten> Right, so you have two separate issues. First, setting up the wiimote to act as a remote. you done that?
[05:52] <adenicio> elite101:  i hate the 360
[05:52] <elite101> mee tooo
[05:52] <elite101> but there controller are good
[05:53] <elite101> how much are bluetooth (usb) adapters? like 20$ rite?
[05:53] <adenicio> elite101: lol wa u talkin about i want it for the pc like wa they do in youtube video on linux ect i dont want it for a 360 witch sucks verymuch
[05:53] <elite101> yeah i know
[05:53] <elite101> im just saying the things u can do with Wiimote
[05:53] <elite101> its crazy
[05:53] <genii> elite101: I just got a Dlink adapter for $30
[05:54] <elite101> mhm
[05:54] <elite101> that sounds like a good but
[05:54] <genii> works fine with linux
[05:54] <elite101> how much data transfer is it up too?
[05:54] <elite101> like the max rate? or does it say
[05:55] <genii> elite101: Doesn't say. But file transfers from my cellphone and back seem to be around 250K/second (4 seconds for a meg about)
[05:55] <elite101> im thinking about only 54megs?
[05:55] <elite101> ahh ic
[05:55] <elite101> mhm thats not too bad
[05:55] <Chousuke> bluetooth?
[05:56] <elite101> if u get it too work i would be intrested
[05:56] <elite101> yeah
[05:56] <genii> Chousuke: Yup
[05:56] <Chousuke> Yeah, 200k/s sounds about right.
[05:56] <adenicio> runlevelten: called bluemote and kanyremote???the bluetooth manager doesnt detect my wiimote.thing would be much easyer if i can install the best bluetooth manager"blue soleil"
[05:56] <elite101> how much was the WIImote? like 40$?
[05:56] <Chousuke> for BT 2.0 at least
[05:56] <runlevelten> it would be even easier if you could just put the nintendo games straight in your PC, too.
[05:56] <adenicio> elite101: i fu talkin to me highlite my name please
[05:57] <elite101> yeah k
[05:57] <elite101> sorry
[05:57] <Chousuke> not too speedy, but enough for small transfers.
[05:57] <genii> Dlinkk DBT-122 adapter
[05:57] <runlevelten> but anyway, heh - what bluetooth manager do you mean adenicio?
[05:57] <runlevelten> kbluetoothd?
[05:57] <elite101> adenicio, how much for the wii-mote?
[05:58] <adenicio> runlevelten: elite101 u people chatin a bunch of stupidness lol.i just want to find how to control my pc with my wiimote not playgame wat soever.
[05:58] <elite101> how much for the remote?
[05:58] <adenicio> elite101: i dont know i found it
[05:58] <adenicio> :-P
[05:58] <elite101> what?
[05:59] <adenicio> hey its possible
[05:59] <elite101> o_0
[06:00] <adenicio> runlevelten: when does stjin does log on?
[06:00] <local> hello
[06:00] <elite101> stdin?
[06:00] <local> how i change the language in kubuntu.when i search for swedish i can only see english
[06:01] <elite101> someone had the same problem but only with Koffice
[06:01] <local> can you help me_
[06:01] <adenicio> elite101:  i tink its his name he explains verygood.and gives u links
[06:01] <local> hello elite101
[06:01] <elite101> mhm yeah links he gets from google? im sure there is a site befor u go blabbering on here :\
[06:02] <elite101> hello local
[06:02] <elite101> i dont know how to do that? i think its in Kcontrol or something
[06:02] <elite101> or unless its locked on english if u installed the whole distro on english?
[06:02] <adenicio> elite101: no no just when u ask the question etc he give u a perfect link on the ubuntu website
[06:02] <runlevelten> alt F2  regional & accessibility
[06:03] <elite101> yeah
[06:03] <adenicio> elite101: he have to be a linux geek lol
[06:03] <elite101> i was going to type that
[06:03] <elite101> yeah or a google geek?
[06:03] <runlevelten> alt F2 kcontrol  regional & accessibility
[06:03] <runlevelten> even, heh
[06:03] <runlevelten> well there are numerous accounts of people using the wiimote successfully.
[06:04] <elite101> adenicio i know this great site it helps me with my problems and stuff i get this good amount oflinks about wiimote and stuff wanna hear it?
[06:04] <runlevelten> Not having one handy, I can't set up an rfcomm and play with it myself, so I have to look elsewhere.
[06:04] <local> elite log on gaim
[06:04] <adenicio> runlevelten: there a lot of video with the wiimote on youtube with linux
[06:04] <elite101> local? do i know u?
[06:04] <local> lol
[06:04] <elite101> i dont have gaim?
[06:04] <local> ah
[06:04] <local> kopete
[06:04] <elite101> yeah
[06:04] <adenicio> runlevelten: i got tru on windows but linux ... oufff
[06:04] <local> on msn
[06:05] <elite101> yeah
[06:05] <runlevelten> adenicio: http://homepage.mac.com/ianrickard/wiimote/wiili_wimote.html
[06:05] <elite101> suzuki_hayabusa_kidd@hotmail.com
[06:05] <elite101> ;)
[06:05] <local> i know
[06:05] <elite101> ohh?
[06:05] <local> lol
[06:05] <elite101> :P i wanna say how?
[06:05] <local> just log
[06:05] <adenicio> elite101: wa website?
[06:05] <yeniklasorr> I'm trying to setup "internet DJ console". Can you help me to set jack ports?
[06:05] <elite101> google.com
[06:05] <elite101> its very good
[06:05] <elite101> www.google.com
[06:06] <elite101> they even have a search bar gor yeah :)
[06:06] <adenicio> elite101: wait wait give me time to lol.........
[06:07] <adenicio> lol
[06:07] <adenicio> ok
[06:07] <runlevelten> Aha, this looks better adenicio: http://www.wiili.org/index.php/WMD
[06:07] <elite101> see what google can do for yah'
[06:08] <adenicio> runlevelten: PERFECTO
[06:09] <adenicio> elite101: im to lazy to look i like when someone look for me :-P
[06:09] <adenicio> elite101: dont tell runlevelten :-P
[06:10] <elite101> lol?
[06:10] <elite101> www.hackaday.com is a great site for stuff like that i go to it everyday lol
[06:12] <elite101> omg omg omg omg a PSP UNBRIKER WUUU!!!!!!!1
[06:12] <elite101> omg i have waited ages for this to come out now i can resurect my friends psp :)
[06:14] <adenicio> elite101: LOL I SOLD MY FRIEND brick PSP he going kill me if he see that
[06:15] <elite101> lmao omg i cant believe it i downgraded 16psp's in total now i only briked one stupid file .eboot :(
[06:16] <BluesKaj> !flash
[06:16] <ubotu> To install Flash see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/Flash - Flash 9 is now available in dapper-backports and edgy-backports - See also !Restricted and !Gnash
[06:17] <adenicio> elite101: have u try pimp streamer or ir shell? there are homebrew a psp must have
[06:17] <elite101> yeah but they suck i just make a whole bunch of iso's from blockbuster but dont do that its illegal its also piracy >:(
[06:18] <elite101> i dont use my psp since it smashed plus i will hack the new one :) there so vulnerable
[06:19] <xsion> a
[06:19] <xsion> hi] 
[06:20] <adenicio> elite101: lol i dont play game anymore with my psp i only do hacks listen to music etc.like the videos on my pc i could watch them direct on my psp
[06:21] <adenicio> el to remote for my tv broke i does use the psp to change the channel to watch naruto
[06:21] <adenicio> :-)
[06:22] <elite101> yeah lol i dont watch anime its kinda geeky and gay * but hey u like so thats myopion (ir remote ;P
[06:23] <elite101> man i cant believe a battery hack and a jikkick battery hack can bring back a psp now the new psp will be even more hackable since u cant brick it ;)
[06:24] <elite101> man team N00Bz! have done it again
[06:24] <adenicio> elite101: lol
[06:25] <elite101> well this is great "come unbrick ur psp 45$ each"
[06:26] <elite101> opps sorry for being off-topic i thought i was in the windows channel :( my bad
[06:27] <elite101> !offtopic | elite101
[06:28] <adenicio> lol
[06:28] <adenicio> how do i activat multiverse?
[06:28] <elite101> no its kinda not funny thou i got banned for being offtopic plus when ppl have questions
[06:28] <elite101> its not something to joke about
[06:29] <adenicio> elite101: how did u get banned?
[06:29] <elite101> they probably all ignored us, its kinda of a support channel we should of been talking about "psp" in #kubuntu-offtopic
[06:29] <adenicio> u dont have rights to talk about wat u want
[06:29] <andresj> adenicio, go to KMenu > System > Adept Manager; enter your password; then go to Adept > Manage repositories; activate "Software restricted by copyright... (multiverse)"
[06:30] <elite101> esp when someone has a question we could of "flooded" them out SORRY* about that ppl it wont happen again*
[06:30] <jhutchins> elite101: Why not go make a #psp channel if there isn't one already?
[06:30] <elite101> yeah sorry about that
[06:30] <elite101> it was my bad
[06:32] <elite101> lol patent? is bad
[06:33] <genii> runlevelten: What are your views on trademark then? Good/bad/indifferent? ;)
[06:33] <runlevelten> | #kubuntu-offtopic
[06:34] <elite101> man i feel bad i flooded the whole thing with "psp" chatter :(
[06:36] <runlevelten> elite101: everyone's kubuntu is running perfectly. Be happy.
[06:37] <BluesKaj> konq wont use flashplugin ...wonder why
[06:42] <runlevelten> BluesKaj: did you close browsers, run firefox, then run konqy, then scan for new plugins if it still wan't working?
[06:42] <andresj> blueskaj, i think kubuntu feisty's konqueror will just ask you to install flash when you open a website that has flash in it...
[06:44] <Angelus> is it good to use lilo bootloader? or it will mess something
[06:44] <Angelus> ?
[06:44] <BluesKaj> flashplugin-nonfree works fine in FF ... konq just doesn't see it when scan plugins enabled
[06:47] <runlevelten> Ah, so you have restarted konqueror completely, and/or scanned manually then.
[06:48] <runlevelten> Ensuring that your firefox plugins dir is picked up, I spose, because stranger things have happened.
[06:48] <andresj> BluesKaj, do a 'dpkg-query -L flashplugin-nonfree' and see what directory it is installed in. then add that directory in the scan list in konqueror
[06:57] <BluesKaj> andresj,  it seems  there are several files in which flashplugin-nonfree resides ...which would be the actual working plugin ,, the .so file ?
[06:57] <andresj_> BluesKaj, the xpi file
[06:57] <Kite_DH> hey guys
[06:57] <BluesKaj> ok
[06:58] <BluesKaj> xpt perhaps , no xpi listed
[06:58] <andresj_> mmm... yes
[06:58] <andresj_> it's xpt, no xpi, sorry
[06:58] <Kite_DH> how to execute *.bin files?
[06:59] <BluesKaj> ok, andresj_ ..will try that
[07:00] <andresj_> Kite_DH, just double click on them, or if that doesn't work, go to it's directory in konqueror, press F4 and do ./somefile.bin
[07:00] <Kite_DH> thx
[07:00] <andresj_> Kite_DH you might also have to set it's mode to executable 'chmod +x somefile.bin'
[07:02] <runlevelten> Yeah. You'll need to choose to make it runnable how andresj said.
[07:02] <runlevelten> assuming it didn't come out of an archive :)
[07:03] <valentin13> hey room
[07:05] <Angelus> how can i install the default kde control centre?
[07:05] <andresj> Angelus, it is already installed: Alt+F2, type in kcontrol
[07:05] <SRN9> hey I was just wondering... is there some specific way you can make kubuntu mound a second hd?
[07:05] <jtt> any recommendations for a new laptop i need to buy one immediately that linux runs well on
[07:06] <SRN9> I just formated it and its all ready I just have no access to it.
[07:06] <andresj> SRN9, System Settings > Avanced > Disk and Filesystems
[07:06] <miles> are there any kernel hackers in here?
[07:06] <miles> can someone direct me to a kernel hacker irc room?
[07:06] <miles> please
[07:06] <miles> **
[07:07] <adenicio> runlevelten: i dose off a little.i download python-xlib-0.14rc1.tar.gz how do i install it?
[07:07] <miles> !find python-xlib
[07:07] <ubotu> Found: python-xlib, python-xlib-doc
[07:07] <miles> you might find it easier to use the repository for that adenicio
[07:07] <Arwen> !compile | adenicio
[07:07] <ubotu> adenicio: Compiling software from source? Read the tips at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompilingSoftware (But remember to search for pre-built !packages first: not all !repositories are enabled by default!)
[07:07] <Arwen> if you don't know how to compile software, you shouldn't do it
[07:08] <valentin13> 65+
[07:08] <miles> compile softwaer is pretty easy though....assuming you use the default settings..i dont know much about the flags and what not
[07:08] <miles> i run x/kubuntu, not gentoo!
[07:08] <Arwen> pssh, flags are meaningless
[07:08] <miles> are they?
[07:08] <Arwen> yeah
[07:08] <miles> hm...part of the reason i was turned off towards gentoo, i didnt know what flags i should be using
[07:09] <miles> and using flags was the inherent strength of that distro
[07:09] <miles> so anyways, adenicio, if you ask me, use the repository to install that python-xlib
[07:10] <miles> if you ask Arwen, you shouldnt compile if you dont know what your doing
[07:10] <miles> does anyone know what the name of the kernel hacker IRC channel is?
[07:10] <Arwen> ##kernel maybe?
[07:10] <miles> o
[07:10] <miles> no i really had no clue
[07:10] <Arwen> :-)
[07:11] <adenicio> miles: yea but is it the 0.14rc?
[07:11] <Arwen> 0.13
[07:11] <Arwen> there a particular reason you need 14rc?
[07:11] <runlevelten> if you don't know how to compile software, you shouldn't do it... flags are meaningless
[07:12] <runlevelten> Not sure I agree with either of those ;)
[07:12] <miles> adenicio, do you know about http://packages.ubuntu.com
[07:12] <miles> ?
[07:12] <miles> brb
[07:12] <runlevelten> miles: don't use bitchX, it is pure suck on a stick.
[07:12] <Arwen> heh, bitchX
[07:13] <runlevelten> Like all of the lollipop is gone from the stick, and all that's left is the suck.
[07:13] <runlevelten> It's irssi with the goodness removed. :(
[07:14] <miles> it makes it look like im doing work instead of talking in IRC at work
[07:15] <miles> i normally use konversation
[07:16] <valentin13> where are french  here
[07:16] <Pici> !fr
[07:16] <ubotu> Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.
[07:17] <miles> so no one in here is a kernel hacker?
[07:19] <miles> entering the command "cat /proc/cpuinfo | grep flags", does this show what flags i have set or what flags i can set based on my cpu?
[07:20] <miles> or its just meaningless
[07:20] <Arwen> CPU flags != compiler flags
[07:21] <Arwen> CPU flags define what instruction sets your CPU can execute, compiler flags tell the compiler to "optimize" code in a certain way.
[07:22] <valentin13> qui parle francis ici
[07:22] <valentin13> FRANCAIS
[07:22] <andresj> valentin13, #ubuntu-fr #kubuntu-fr
[07:23] <andresj> how do I install java in kubuntu feisty?
[07:23] <Angelus> i re-installed grub, how can i create a menu.1st?
[07:23] <Angelus> is there some tool?
[07:23] <Arwen> !java | andresj
[07:23] <ubotu> andresj: To install a Java compiler/interpreter on Ubuntu, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java - For the Sun Java runtime install sun-java5-jre from the !Multiverse repository. Enable the backports repository on Edgy to install sun-java6-jre. Please don't use Adept to install Java if you are on Kubuntu 6.10 (Edgy) or earlier.
[07:24] <Angelus> i re-installed grub, how can i create a menu.1st?
[07:24] <Angelus> is there some tool?
[07:25] <andresj> Angelus, the file is menu.lst
[07:25] <Arwen> Angelus, eh, not really. You'll probably have to write at least part of it by hand.
[07:30] <Baubal> I installed kubuntu 7.04 a month ago. CDs and usb flash drives automounted on the desktop fine.  Now, they stopped automounting.  I am not quite sure what caused this - I am thinking an apt-get update, upgrade or something.  Any idea on how to fix? I read on the forums that a bunch of users have this same issue
[07:34] <cheeseboy> how do i setup internet conection sharing from linux to xbox using a crossover cable?
[07:34] <andresj> Baubal, what do you mean by stopped automounting? did you install automount? or you mean what comes with kubuntu?
[07:36] <Baubal> the one that comes with kubuntu after a default install
[07:36] <Baubal> worked perfectly, but I havent used a CD in a while, so not sure when or "what" broke it
[07:36] <Angelus> can someone tell me how to create an initrd img for a custome kernel?
[07:37] <gnopfelbrie> hallo
[07:37] <andresj> baubal, well a message should appear when you connect them, if it doesn't maybe you selected "Do this always for this type of media" while you were selecting "Do nothing"... and that makes it not mount it
[07:37] <gnopfelbrie> jemand da =?
[07:37] <gnopfelbrie> ohh english
[07:37] <gnopfelbrie> ok
[07:37] <gnopfelbrie> some good looking girls around ?
[07:38] <gnopfelbrie> *hehe*
[07:38] <Baubal> andresj: you know of a way to reverse that if that is what happened?
[07:39] <andresj> Baubal it is in the System Settings > Notifications > Storage Media Notifications
[07:40] <Baubal> andresj: I'll give that a shot.. I really hope that does the trick :) ty kindly
[07:40] <andresj> you'r welcome
[07:45] <BluesKaj> no joy  with flash on konq ..the flash xpt file doesn't load in konq
[07:45] <andresj> I just installed apt-get install sun-java6-jre, did killall -KILL konqueror, and then opened konqueror... but java seems not to work!
[07:46] <jake_> hi guys
[07:46] <jake_> do anyone knows to change the order of my grub?
[07:46] <andresj> what can I do to make java work in konqueror, if I already installed sun-java6-jre?
[07:46] <andresj> jake_ what do you mean by change order?
 to make the windows xp the default boot instead of kubuntu
[07:48] <andresj> jake_, add a line saying "default X" at the start of your menu.lst, where X is the number of the entry (first one is 0)
[07:48] <Gast690> hy?
[07:48] <andresj> jake_, probably there is already a line saying "default 0", so edit that instead
 i mean what shall i type to the terminal to open menu list?
[07:49] <andresj> jake_ I mean edit the file /boot/grub/menu.lst
[07:50] <andresj> how do I make java work in konqueror? I already installed sun-java6-jre using apt-get.
[07:52] <andresj> never mind about java, I jut had to enable Tools > HTML Settings > Java
 thanx a lot
 sorry buddy but im a new to linux world. what command shall i type to modify the grub?
[07:55] <andresj> jake_ "sudo nano /boot/grub/menu.lst", you can also edit it with kate or kwrite (Alt-F2 > kdesu kwrite /boot/grub/menu.lst)
[07:56] <andresj> how do I make konqueror enable Java in HTML Settings by default?
[07:57] <BluesKaj> andresj, you prolly need java - common
[07:58] <zeke> anyone know how to, or know a link about installing beryl in Gutsy?
[07:58] <andresj> BluesKaj, it is already installed (I think it was installed by sun-java6-jre)
[07:58] <andresj> BluesKaj, java works when I enable it manually Tools > HTML Settings > Java, but I want it to stay like that...
[07:59] <BluesKaj> andresj, check konq /settings /configure/java&javascript on the sidebar
 thanx a lot buddy
[08:00] <andresj> BluesKaj, Enable Java globally is checked
[08:00] <draik> !mame
[08:00] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about mame - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[08:00] <andresj> jake_ you are welcome
[08:00] <BluesKaj> java-common will prolly help you andresj
[08:00] <draik> Anyone here know about getting mame to work on Kubuntu?
[08:00] <andresj> BluesKaj, java-common is already installed
[08:02] <zeke> gutsy beryl anyone?
[08:02] <draik> zeke, I think Beryl is done. Try compiz
[08:02] <BluesKaj> andresj, what about j2re1.4 ?
[08:03] <zeke> alright
[08:03] <BluesKaj> !beryl | zeke
[08:03] <ubotu> zeke: beryl is a window manager that takes advantage of an OpenGL accelerated X environment. Help in #ubuntu-effects
[08:03] <andresj> BluesKaj, it is not, I am installing it...
[08:04] <BluesKaj> BTW andresj , what flashplugin are you using in konq ..would you mind checking for me ?
[08:05] <andresj> BluesKaj, I just entered a website that had flash, and a message appeared saying "The following plugins are available" and I installed it (it never asked me for a password)
[08:06] <miles> hello, world!
[08:06] <world> hello, miles!
[08:06] <miles> hahaha
[08:06] <miles> how do u change ur name?
[08:06] <anthronaut>  type /nick yournewname
[08:07] <andresj> BluesKaj, so I don't have flashplugin nor flashplugin-nonfree it installed
[08:07] <miles> ahh, i was trying /name
[08:07] <anthronaut> nope its /nick
[08:07] <miles> test?
[08:07] <thisisatest> hello?
[08:08] <Lynoure> hmm
[08:10] <BluesKaj> the konq plugin in the repos is version 7 which won't work on most flash sites anymore since most are using version 9 , but even after installing V-9 flash still isn't seen by lonq and tring the manual plugin route in konq doesn't make it work either
[08:11] <andresj> BluesKaj, it works for me.
[08:11] <BluesKaj> ok andresj , waht flash plugin do you have in konq plugins list ?
[08:12] <andresj> BluesKaj, it says /home/andres/.mozilla/plugins/libflashplayer.so
[08:12] <BluesKaj> thx
[08:14] <andresj> BluesKaj, I installed  j2re1.4, but Java is still disabled by default. I have to HTML Settings > java to get it
[08:15] <BluesKaj> damn konq is full of arcane settings scattered here and there , trying to get stuff to run is a real exercise in detective work
[08:17] <andresj> well I give up, I'll have to activate it myself when I see a page wit hjava
[08:17] <murchadh> Yeah but it's ability to start with 4 or 5 tabs with windows with 6 or seven panes all open on common web sites or local folders make it the....... ooops thought I was still in #kubuntu-offtopic.
[08:19] <BluesKaj> murchadh, i agree but what a pita to get the media stuff setup properly
[08:19] <jermain> i lost my program bar, can someone help me?
[08:20] <murchadh> I hear ya BluesKaj! I do.  :)
[08:21] <jermain> help?
[08:22] <JuNkPhreak> anyone know what this is ?  hald-runner
[08:23] <ubuntu> hello. is anyone here?
[08:23] <jermain> hi ubuntu
[08:23] <ubuntu> hi jermain :)
[08:23] <WhatTheFuzz> #ubuntu
[08:23] <ubuntu> i have a big problem. i'm stucked in kubuntu
[08:24] <ubuntu> so, i want to install kubuntu, i burn the iso from windows (windows is gone, hehe), but the install fails at 94%
[08:24] <ubuntu> i have a blank cd and usb stick. what can i do?
[08:25] <ubuntu__> hello
[08:26] <JuNkPhreak> so your saying you burned the iso and its corrupted
[08:26] <ubuntu> yes, i have some problems with the cd
[08:26] <ubuntu> at the final of instalation
[08:26] <ubuntu> i install twice, but the computer freze at 94%
[08:26] <ubuntu> "configuring hardware"
[08:27] <arun> I just installed GNOME with tango icons, and i love it
[08:27] <JuNkPhreak> will it boot with the cd in it ?
[08:27] <ubuntu> i can't eject the cd in k3b
[08:27] <arun> running kubuntu and gnome simultaneously
[08:27] <ubuntu> yes, i'm writing from the livecd
[08:27] <arun> as in, not at the same time, but whatever
[08:28] <ubuntu> it's not possible to eject LiveCD?
[08:28] <ubuntu> i can burn a new image
[08:28] <JuNkPhreak> you dont have another pc  to reburn the CD?
[08:28] <ubuntu> nop
[08:28] <JuNkPhreak> ok
[08:28] <ubuntu> i didn't expect that
[08:29] <JuNkPhreak> have you pull up a term window and typed eject ?
[08:29] <ubuntu> i press Help -> About Kde
[08:29] <ubuntu> i'm waiting to stop the cd
[08:30] <ubuntu> eject and nothing
[08:30] <JuNkPhreak> is it trying to burn  now?
[08:30] <ubuntu> no, in the DVD it's the kubuntu cd
[08:30] <ubuntu> i can't eject
[08:30] <nodesert> i installed oracle but it starts automaticly everytime.how can i stop it
[08:31] <ubuntu> it's not possible to install kubuntu from internet? netinstall
[08:31] <ubuntu> a script or something like that
[08:32] <JuNkPhreak> you might have to google that one dunno probley
[08:32] <JuNkPhreak> google unoffical ubuntu guide might help
[08:32] <BluesKaj> murchadh, all I get is that my flash install is old or java isn't enabled ...yet i have the latest flash plugin as the help file in konq describes and java enabled , but flash won't work in konq , no probs in FF tho
[08:33] <ubuntu> thanks for support JuNkPhreak
[08:33] <JuNkPhreak> well hope it helps
[08:35] <Xera^> Hi :)
[08:35] <murchadh> BluesKaj: Yeah I was kinda saying that that's my experience with that end of things. I don't use them much and the kids have long since started using FF as well, leaving me somewhat oblivious to it's inadequacies. I think it actually used to work "better" for me before.
[08:36] <JuNkPhreak> ubuntu do you havea ubuntu cd ?
[08:36] <JuNkPhreak> you can install that and do apt-get for kubuntu
[08:36] <BluesKaj> !kubuntu
[08:36] <ubotu> Kubuntu is Ubuntu with KDE, the K Desktop Environment, instead of Gnome. See http://kubuntu.org for more information - For support: #kubuntu - See also !KDE
[08:36] <JuNkPhreak> duh lol
[08:36] <ubuntu> yes, i have it
[08:36] <ubuntu> ubuntu
[08:36] <ubuntu> but
[08:36] <ubuntu> aaa
[08:37] <ubuntu> 5.05 i guess
[08:37] <ubuntu> it's the old version
[08:37] <JuNkPhreak> well you can install ubuntu and do a apt-gat for kubuntu
[08:37] <JuNkPhreak> well doa quickm install on the olfder version and then redownload the new and install :}
[08:37] <BluesKaj> murchadh, I like konq's speed and solidity otherwise ...guess I'll keep FF around til i get this dumb problem solved
[08:38] <ubuntu> i don't know exactly what version is
[08:39] <murchadh> BluesKaj: I do admire the fact that konqueror adds all other browser to her "Open in" list.... And maybe one day, with support....
[08:39] <BluesKaj> JuNkPhreak, this the KUBUNTU chat , if you want advicew about UBUNTU , join #ubuntu ...altho you can install ubuntu then install kubuntu-desktop as well
[08:40] <JuNkPhreak> doa defualt install of the version of ubuntu  and download new version and burn and install
[08:40] <apfelbox> hallo
[08:41] <_wintermute_> anyone running dapper with beryl  on a i810 chipset?
[08:43] <JuNkPhreak> i dont need the advice
[08:43] <JuNkPhreak> i was helping
[08:44] <BluesKaj> oh sorry JuNkPhreak, looked like quaestion since you didn't use anyones's name on your answer
[08:45] <BluesKaj> er nick
[08:46] <jake_> guys my adept could not fetch updates
[08:46] <jake_> help please
[08:47] <JuNkPhreak> np :}
[08:47] <JuNkPhreak> just got my tiwnview finsh yesterday
[08:47] <JuNkPhreak> dual 19inch wides very nice
[08:48] <jake_> guys pplease help to fix my adept
[08:49] <JuNkPhreak> your gui adept ?
[08:49] <JuNkPhreak> whats up ?
[08:49] <jake_> i cant fetch updates
[08:49] <JuNkPhreak> is it locked?
[08:50] <arun> umm
[08:50] <jake_> yes
[08:51] <JuNkPhreak> have you check to see if you have more than one running?
[08:51] <arun> i just installed gnome, and i get the option of using the gnome de when i log in, but all the gnome apps/features aren't present
[08:51] <arun> do i need to install anything else for that?
[08:51] <arun> will that mess up my kubuntu install?
[08:52] <duende> Help: I just installed a fresh copy of kubuntu 7.04 on my laptop, and for some reason, my dvd burner is not working.  It has worked in kubuntu in prior installs, and it works now when i boot back into windows, but k3b reports that /dev/scd0 is not a cdrom device.  Any suggestions?
[08:52] <JuNkPhreak> < jake_> have you opened upa term window and did ps -ef ? top see if you have 2 of them running?
[08:53] <JuNkPhreak> top =to
[08:53] <jake_> nope, its only one
[08:53] <arunkale> do i need to install ubuntu-desktop or is gnome enough
[08:53] <JuNkPhreak> whats the error message your getting
[08:53] <JuNkPhreak> < jake_>
[08:53] <nodesert_> i have some programs which start automaticly
[08:53] <nodesert_> how can i stop them
[08:54] <jake_> There was an error downloading updates.
[08:55] <_wintermute_> nodesert goto servies
[08:55] <_wintermute_> services
   go here http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=144963&page=2
[08:55] <jake_> ok
[08:55] <JuNkPhreak> the guide rocks :}
[08:56] <_wintermute_> System Setting > System Services
[08:57] <JuNkPhreak> anyone know ofa good place to fiand dualwallpapers High res ones?
[08:57] <jake_> now its working but, the updates freeze on 99%
[08:58] <_wintermute_> JuNkPhreak: did you try deviantart
[08:58] <arunkale> anyone?
[08:59] <JuNkPhreak> yea but they didn have much for the dual 19's
[09:00] <JuNkPhreak> 2880x1400
[09:00] <JuNkPhreak> now i need some linux games to try out the dualscreen
[09:00] <Muuh> http://www.streetracers.de.tp/?wid=9139
[09:01] <JuNkPhreak> wish enemy territory  could support tiwnview
[09:01] <Muuh> adresu:http://www.bsd.org.yu
[09:01] <Muuh> http://www.streetracers.de.tp/?wid=9139
[09:02] <JuNkPhreak> lol spamers
[09:03] <miles> you guys are right, bitchx does kinda suck
[09:03] <miles> still using it though'
[09:03] <JuNkPhreak> irssi rules
[09:04] <JuNkPhreak> lol
[09:04] <miles> irssi?
[09:04] <JuNkPhreak> yea another text irc
[09:04] <JuNkPhreak> been using it for long time
[09:04] <miles> yea i was bout to say, that looks just like bitchx except better
[09:06] <JuNkPhreak> Iam hoping enemy territory :QW is going to haev native linux binary
[09:07] <badwit> is there a specific module to load before i can access the data from an external harddrive in a  firewire enclosure?
[09:10] <cprmpt> is there a good hex calculator that i can download from the repositories?
[09:10] <miles> !find hex
[09:10] <ubotu> Found: dssi-plugin-hexter, ghex, ghextris, hex, hexcat (and 9 others)
[09:13] <badwit> !find firewire
[09:13] <ubotu> Package/file firewire does not exist in feisty
[09:13] <badwit> !find ieee1394
[09:13] <ubotu> File ieee1394 found in pcmcia-cs
[09:14] <arunkale> has anyone here used both ubuntu and kubuntu?
[09:16] <badwit> yes, i have
[09:17] <JuNkPhreak> yes I have also
[09:17] <_Shade_> i just installed gutsy (by dist-upgrade) but now i can't do further updates. I cannot install kdesktop since it depends on acpi-support
[09:18] <_Shade_> but i cannot install it neither
[09:18] <arunkale> badwit, JuNkPhreak: i've used only kde so far for about 2.5 years.. i just tried out the gnome desktop and it seems quite nice. for some reason i thought it would be really ugly but it's not at all. a lot of options, etc. seem to be hard to configure though. do you guys prefer kubuntu or ubuntu?
[09:18] <webappmonkey> On my desktop, suspend to RAM works great, however it won't come out of suspend properly when compiz is running. I would like to run kwin --replace whenever suspend starts, anyone know where the suspend configuration is in /etc?
[09:18] <miles> linus himself says gnome does a lot of things wrong
[09:18] <matthew_> genii, you around?
[09:18] <JuNkPhreak> Kubuntu
[09:18] <arunkale> miles: such as?
[09:19] <miles> i read it in an rticle a while back
[09:19] <genii> matthew_: Yup :)
[09:19] <miles> he was calling out gnome developers on a lot of things
[09:19] <salociner> abend
[09:19] <webappmonkey> Then again, linus thinks alot of things do stuff wrong, like both CVS and SVN, the latter of which most of the community uses
[09:20] <miles> https://lists.linux-foundation.org/pipermail/desktop_architects/2005-December/000390.html
[09:20] <miles> yea true, but he is bashing them to promote git
[09:20] <matthew_> genii, finally got a chance to get back here...my uncles computer has some no-name ram in it, but the corrupted bit was being allocated by the integrated video card...bleagh
[09:20] <JuNkPhreak> genii  me too
[09:21] <badwit> arunkale, well, i personally prefer kubutnu, its keyboard shortcuts are more manageable to me, also the katapult application makes a lot of things easily accessible
[09:21] <genii> matthew_: Bleh i hate crappy hardware. hope you flushed that stuff
[09:21] <genii> JuNkPhreak: :)
[09:21] <arunkale> i've never used gnome before, so i'm having a hard time adjusting things which normally come so easily in kubuntu... such as increasing the number of desktops, customising fonts and other such, disabling icons on the desktop, etc
[09:21] <arunkale> then again, i just installed gnome over kubuntu, and not a proper ubuntu installation
[09:21] <arunkale> so maybe it's because of that
[09:21] <matthew_> erm s/kingston/kingson/g
[09:22] <genii> matthew_: Didn't get a chance yet to look at the modem situation
[09:22] <webappmonkey> Looking at /etc/acpi/suspend.d/ I assume putting a shell script as 05-kwin-replace.sh with the commands I want would run kwin --replace before most of the other scripts? Anyone know if that is right?
[09:22] <badwit> arunkale, i stopped using gnome when Slackware dropped it from its distribution
[09:22] <arunkale> badwit: why's taht
[09:22] <arunkale> that*
[09:22] <matthew_> genii, np
[09:22] <matthew_> genii, can I forward sound along with X with ssh?
[09:23] <genii> matthew_: Not sure. i think so but how, no idea
[09:24] <matthew_> ha ha, ok, I'll just scp the files and listen to them locally
[09:24] <matthew_> my home box only has about 50Kb/s upload bandwidth....oh well
[09:24] <matthew_> waiting on Memtest to clear the remaining RAM
[09:25] <badwit> arunkale, apparently, Patrick Volkerding, decided it was too much of a pain to build Gnome back then (this was about 2 years ago, or more). Too many packages, too many interdependencies etc
[09:25] <underdog5004> ah, there we go
[09:25] <underdog5004> back in my old nick
[09:26] <arunkale> badwit: deskbar for gnome does everything that katapult does, apparently
[09:26] <badwit> Does somebody know how to get an external firewire drive working in Feisty?
[09:28] <badwit> arunkale, i just had a look at it, looks promising, but isn't it more like a search application kinda thing
[09:28] <badwit> arunkale, katapult is more like an application launcher, AFAIK
[09:28] <arunkale> badwit: nope, launcher as well
[09:28] <underdog5004> genii, you ever use remote desktop software as opposed to ssh?
[09:29] <badwit> arunkale, ah, good to know :)
[09:29] <genii> underdog5004: I'm a big fan of freenx actually
[09:29] <underdog5004> freenx, ok
[09:30] <genii> underdog5004: But for general usability and simplicity ssh is till best
[09:30] <underdog5004> does that require it be installed on both computers?
[09:30] <webappmonkey> To answer my own question, no, adding a shell script to /etc/acpi/suspend.d/ does not run when I Suspend to RAM.
[09:30] <genii> underdog5004: Yeah, you need a server and a client etc
[09:30] <underdog5004> ok...
[09:30] <genii> underdog5004: Can be tunneled over ssh as well
[09:31] <webappmonkey> Anyone know what configuration I need to edit to get kwin --replace to run on the current X session before suspend to RAM?
[09:31] <underdog5004> it's not in the repos is it?
[09:32] <genii> !freenx | underdog5004
[09:32] <ubotu> underdog5004: FreeNX is advanced remote desktop technology. For more information and install instructions, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeNX
[09:32] <underdog5004> thank you, sir
[09:32] <genii> underdog5004: Yer verry velcome
[09:32] <genii> Work, AFK a while
[09:32] <underdog5004> lol
[09:32] <Dogg> http://www.streetracers.de.tp/?wid=9128
[09:33] <mrksbrd> genii, i was working on the usb HDD for the rest of the night, and still nothing, attempted to use a script hangthedj gave me and that didn't even work
[09:34] <mrksbrd> but one thing i did do was format it as ntfs and it did zero out the drive, so i know it is totally clean
[09:37] <miles> so pretty much linus t pwnd the whole gnome development team?
[09:37] <miles> are there any kernel hackers in here?
[09:37] <radius> how do i edit the theme for kdm in tribe5 - it now says Theme=@@@ToBeReplacedByDesktopBase@@
[09:38] <radius> or can i go ahead and just edit that/
[09:39] <arunkale> is synaptic better or adept?
[09:41] <radius> adept
[09:42] <genii> back
[09:43] <mrksbrd> genii, see my last 2 msgs??
[09:43] <arunkale> can one use adept with ubuntu?
[09:43] <genii> mrksbrd: Yup. Maybe take a look at http://linlog.skepticats.com/content/udevautorun/
[09:44] <Huey> what does the max-user-freq kernel value represent?
[09:44] <LeeJunFan> arunkale: yes you can but it has a lot of qt/kde dependencies, so it's going to want to install quite a bit of other stuff.
[09:44] <Huey> is it the max timeslice a process can get?
[09:46] <arunkale> man, i really want to try ubuntu for a few days, but i'm having a hard time deciding whether i should use it
[09:46] <arunkale> i'm going to be repartitioning my hard drive tomorrow anyway
[09:47] <arunkale> so i'm wondering whether to install ubuntu or kubuntu
[09:47] <genii> arunkale: For a less painful transistion from windows to Ubuntu, Kubuntu is a better initial choice. Less system shock.
[09:48] <mrksbrd> hmmm, sounds like it may work, i'll give it a try
[09:48] <arunkale> genii: i've been using kde for nearly 3 years now
[09:48] <arunkale> just want to try something new
[09:48] <underdog5004> I love kubuntu
[09:48] <arunkale> never used gnome before
[09:48] <underdog5004> arunkale, imho, fluxbox or jwm > gnome
[09:49] <mrksbrd> genii, have u ever used that freenx prog?
[09:49] <genii> I have the big 3 wm on always, KDE, Gnome and XFCE. Mainly i am in KDE these days
[09:50] <genii> mrksbrd: Yes, i have several machines running the client in fact, and 2 servers.
[09:50] <mrksbrd> is it easy?
[09:50] <radius> sorry to keep asking a repetative question - in tribe5 where do i edit the kdm theme now?
[09:50] <arunkale> genii: i've been using kubuntu for a long time, just installed gnome
[09:51] <arunkale> not nearly as ugly as i thought it would be :p
[09:51] <mrksbrd> and can u use it if your work is strictly firewalled???
[09:52] <genii> mrksbrd: Installation I would say is at medium to difficult level. but worth it. Also you can use it on whatever portsso you can use for instance a common open port like 80 or similar on firewalls
[09:53] <mrksbrd> oh ok, 80 is used for normal internet access right
[09:55] <JuNkPhreak> yes
[09:57] <arunkale> so should i try out ubuntu? :D
[09:57] <genii> work, AFK
[09:57] <sehe> arunkale: you could, you know
[09:57] <arunkale> is it worth trying out at least, if not using regularly?
[09:57] <sehe> arunkale: depends on what for :D
[09:58] <sehe> arunkale: I think it is. It's spiffy and I use it all day at work
[09:58] <arunkale> sehe: you use ubuntu at work and kubuntu at home?
[09:58] <Angelus> if during kubuntu installation you choose "Entire Hard Disc" instead of manual configuration, will it delete the windows partition?
[09:58] <arunkale> Angelus: yes, i think so
[09:58] <sehe> just kubuntu everywhere
[09:58] <radius> it will Angelus
[09:58] <arunkale> sehe: i've been using kubuntu for around 2.5 years now
[09:59] <arunkale> just thought i'd try something new
[09:59] <arunkale> since i'm going to be repartitioning my disk tomorrow anyway
[09:59] <sehe> arunkale: ubuntu is just kubuntu with gnome. Do you know gnome?
[09:59] <arunkale> sehe: not really, never used gnome
[09:59] <sehe> arunkale: I'd say if you like KDE, you 'll probably feel it is a bit too bare...
[09:59] <Angelus> gnome is ugly
[10:00] <arunkale> Angelus: i thought gnome was ugly too, which is why i never checked it out
[10:00] <sehe> arunkale: Nah i don't agree, but I think the interface is too 'numb' for me
[10:00] <arunkale> i just installed it over kubuntu, though.. seems quite nice.. at least the theme i'm using
[10:00] <sehe> arunkale: I like fast, rich and detailed interfaces
[10:00] <arunkale> quite slick
[10:00] <Angelus> KDE is the coolest
[10:01] <Angelus> even windows vista copied the toolbar from kubuntu's toolbar
[10:01] <sehe> arunkale: gnome is much more peaceful and i like to use it on the couch (the tele screen :))
[10:01] <arunkale> i dont care about windows vista, man
[10:01] <mrksbrd> genii, you will never guess what happened........just plugged in and the drive, dialog box opened up, std "new drive recognized what would you like to do?" "unmounted device", ran mount option......and BAM it worked
[10:01] <Arwen> why is it that whenever anyone mentions Windows, everyone starts flaming?
[10:01] <mrksbrd> now i'm really confused
[10:01] <Arwen> I prefer GNOME too, simpler design.
[10:01] <sehe> Angelus: I suppose it would be fairer to say Novell copied Vista's start menu but hey, enuf has been copied both ways
[10:01] <arunkale> Arwen: i'm not flaming, i just don't care
[10:01] <arunkale> i dont hate it or anything
[10:02] <Arwen> hint: good programmers borrow, great ones steal.
[10:02] <radius> Arwen, it's called fear (:
[10:02] <Angelus> sehe: if you use kubuntu, go check window's toolbar, the one that has the - Sqaure X , to close and minimize the windows, its exacly like kubuntu's but black
[10:02] <sehe> radius: Or just the sense of groupiness (my own term)
[10:02] <arunkale> Arwen: you seem to be the only one here who has nice things to say about gnome.. do you think i should install ubuntu (at least for a while) or stick with kubuntu
[10:02] <sehe> Angelus: agreed
[10:03] <radius> ppl only knock what they lack knowledge of
[10:03] <Arwen> arunkale, matter of taste.
[10:03] <valentin13> how  to make for download   it is sudo dpkg
[10:03] <arunkale> Arwen: what do you prefer?
[10:03] <Arwen> GNOME, but let's not go into that.
[10:03] <arunkale> why not :)
[10:03] <sehe> valentin13: please rephrase?
[10:03] <sehe> !offtopic
[10:03] <ubotu> #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related support questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[10:03] <valentin13> shell command
[10:03] <sehe> hehe
[10:03] <valentin13> for donwload
[10:04] <sehe> valentin13: can you state a question? your half sentences do not make sence yet
[10:04] <yukino> ubuntu ayuda en espaol
[10:04] <Arwen> valentin13, downloading packages is apt-get, downloading random stuff is wget.
[10:04] <Arwen> and yeah, complete sentences would help
[10:04] <valentin13> yes
[10:04] <sehe> valentin13: or curl
[10:04] <valentin13> packages
[10:04] <radius> ok 1 last time on this question - in tribe5 is there any support for kdm theme? in here?
[10:04] <sehe> apt-get -d install
[10:04] <Angelus> i agree with you dough sehe , even KDE has copied some things from windows, so yeah both ways copied.
[10:04] <valentin13> ty
[10:04] <radius> kdmrc has a reference i'm not familiar with
[10:04] <sehe> valentin13: -d for download only
[10:05] <valentin13> rpm no good
[10:05] <sehe> Angelus: KDE of all linux WM's is most windows like (apart from IceWM with the W95 look and feel)
[10:05] <sehe> valentin13: try 'alien'
[10:05] <Angelus> yeah
[10:05] <Angelus> but kde is nicer
[10:05] <Angelus> much way cooler and nicer then window's look
[10:06] <valentin13> i am gonn for donwload adobe flash player
[10:06] <sehe> valentin13: however, look at !repositories because debian packages are safer
[10:06] <valentin13> gonna
[10:06] <waylandbill> that's okay. KDE borrowed ideas from windows, but did things that windows lacked. That's best of both worlds and still open source. It's good in my book.
[10:06] <sehe> !flash | valentin13
[10:06] <ubotu> valentin13: To install Flash see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/Flash - Flash 9 is now available in dapper-backports and edgy-backports - See also !Restricted and !Gnash
[10:06] <radius> kde has come a long way since i started using it years ago - but i have been faithful and kept with it through good and bad
[10:06] <yamal> !es | yukino
[10:06] <ubotu> yukino: Si busca ayuda en Espaol por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendr mas ayuda.
[10:07] <valentin13> there is some trouble
[10:07] <sehe> waylandbill: hear hear. KDE has killer features to me (io slaves, fish, X protocol, kdm for terminal serving etc etc
[10:07] <sehe> valentin13: like what
[10:08] <valentin13> what i can donwload so
[10:08] <valentin13> for watch ideo on internet
[10:08] <valentin13>  video
[10:08] <sehe> valentin13: sorry valentin, i cannot follow. What is your native language?
[10:08] <valentin13> french
[10:08] <sehe> !languages
[10:08] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about languages - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[10:08] <sehe> !fr | valentin13
[10:08] <ubotu> valentin13: Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.
[10:09] <waylandbill> fish and kdm's xdmcp support are invaluable.
[10:09] <sehe> allez-y je vous en prie :D
[10:09] <valentin13> try
[10:09] <valentin13> since yesterday
[10:09] <valentin13> impossible
[10:09] <valentin13> i must to get  java i think
[10:10] <sehe> waylandbill: I use it every day to all my colleagues amazement. They simply fail to grasp how I can run remote X applications seemlessly on my Kubuntu desktop. They fall apart once I do the beryl cube rotation :D
[10:10] <waylandbill> valentin13: in firefox? try the mozilla mplayer plugin
[10:10] <valentin13> ty
[10:10] <valentin13> french room
[10:10] <CPrompt^> valentin13 : what videos are you trying to watch?  Youtube or something?
[10:10] <valentin13> i see
[10:10] <sehe> valentin13: cheers
[10:10] <valentin13> yes youtube
[10:10] <CPrompt^> valentin13 : you just need the Adobe Flashplayer
[10:10] <valentin13> for beryl video
[10:10] <valentin13> 3d
[10:10] <CPrompt^> valentine13 : http://www.adobe.com/shockwave/download/index.cgi?P1_Prod_Version=ShockwaveFlash&P2_Platform=Linux
[10:11] <valentin13> beryl   is not working  in 3d
[10:11] <CPrompt^> vantine13 : download the tar.gz file and install that.  There is an INSTALL file just follow it
[10:11] <CPrompt^> beryl and flash = 2 different things
[10:11] <valentin13> yeah
[10:11] <sehe> valentin13: it is not easy to set up (depending on hardware). That's why it is not 'main' yet
[10:11] <valentin13> i know
[10:12] <valentin13> i watch beryl in video you tube
[10:12] <CPrompt^> valentine13 : and now you want to install Beryl?
[10:12] <sehe> valentin13: I still have to tweak it every time I logon every day.
[10:12] <valentin13> i have donwload   beryl but he is not working  in kde
[10:12] <sehe> valentin13: ? downloaded  ? Why not use adept or synaptic?
[10:12] <valentin13> i have install
[10:13] <valentin13> already
[10:13] <sehe> valentin13: d'accord
[10:13] <valentin13> but not working
[10:13] <valentin13> no adept i prefer by shell consol
[10:13] <sehe> valentin13: shame. Like I said, non-trivial. http://www.ubuntugeek.com/how-to-install-beryl-with-latest-nvidia-drivers-in-ubuntu-feisty-fawn.html
[10:14] <CPrompt^> valentine13 : you might try this : http://element14.wordpress.com/2007/01/16/how-to-install-beryl-on-kubuntu-610/
[10:14] <CPrompt^> if it breaks your computer, don't blame me :)
[10:14] <sehe> valentin13: i understand. When you say 'download' that suggests you do not use apt*
[10:14] <sehe> CPrompt^: nor anyone :D
[10:14] <valentin13> i use apt
[10:14] <CPrompt^> sehe : LOL
[10:14] <sehe> valentin13: i'm so relieved
[10:14] <sehe> valentin13: :D:D:D
[10:15] <valentin13> i prefer donwload package by shell console
[10:15] <mrksbrd> ok got a ?, when opening a digital pic, linux doesn't auto resize the image for viewing, what can i do w/o modifying the file to allow me to see the whole image????
[10:15] <valentin13> sudo
[10:15] <sehe> Does anyone have keyboard lockups (freezes) in KDE?
[10:15] <CPrompt^> I had Beryl running and then video card went out...had to reinstall Kubuntu from scratch.  Real pain
[10:15] <genii> back
[10:15] <sehe> CPrompt^: next time, boot into live cd, snatch /etc/X11/xorg.conf nd see how you go :D
[10:15] <CPrompt^> mrksbrb : what are you using to open the pic?
[10:16] <valentin13> what is  sudo and what
[10:16] <sehe> !sudo | valentin13
[10:16] <ubotu> valentin13: sudo is a command to run programs with superuser privileges ("root"). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for all information.
[10:16] <valentin13> i know
[10:16] <sehe> then why ask?
[10:16] <CPrompt^> sehe : ah.  good suggestion.  I tried to boot into recovery mode and copy xorg backup but it still crashed.  oh well
[10:16] <valentin13> for donwload package
[10:16] <mrksbrd> it defaulted to konquer
[10:16] <genii> mrksbrd: So your usb drive is back up and operarting as you expect now?
[10:17] <mrksbrd> yea, on whatever we did last night, guess it just needed a full computer reboot
[10:17] <CPrompt^> mrksbrb : away from Linux ATM but you should have something under "View" I think that says "Tiles"???
[10:17] <sehe> CPrompt^: no guarantees either way. Part of config beryl is installing restricted drivers anyway. No easy way to 'undo' taht without careful planning
[10:18] <CPrompt^> sehe : no kidding.  Either way I have a nice install of Kubuntu Fiesty running now so *fingers crossed*
[10:18] <sehe> CPrompt^: I don't like relying on crossed fngers:) I trust my backups
[10:18] <sehe> CPrompt^: and play safe :) It is my job, after all as well
[10:19] <sehe> .... SO:
[10:19] <sehe> Does anyone have keyboard lockups (freezes) in KDE?
[10:19] <CPrompt^> sehe : LOL  yeah.  I have backups of all config files on hard drive as well as on disk.
[10:19] <genii> valentin13: to install packages by apt-get   you should use sudo. if you are downloading files in console with some browser like elinks or by wget then you don't need sudo to download them, only to run the install procedure, like dpkg or make/make install or so on
[10:19] <CPrompt^> what are keyboard lockups?
[10:19] <sehe> CPrompt^: you can't type anything any more. Mouse still works
[10:19] <valentin13> no availabe  adobe word
[10:19] <CPrompt^> oh nevermind LOL
[10:20] <mrksbrd> CPrompt^, got it ty!!!
[10:20] <sehe> CPrompt^: only X restart fixes it.
[10:20] <valentin13> sudo apt-get adobe flash player
[10:20] <CPrompt^> no, I have a problem with Firefox crashing though
[10:20] <sehe> From the bug database, many people have it since early KDE 2... But no solution till today
[10:20] <sehe> Many separate simliar bugs, none fixed
[10:21] <sehe> CPrompt^: any particular site/situation?
[10:22] <CPrompt^> sehe : no, just crashes every once in a while
[10:23] <radius> sounds like java issues
[10:23] <radius> i used to get those until i correct the /plugin link
[10:23] <sehe> valentin13: using synaptic for example, just search for adobe?
[10:23] <radius> +ed
[10:23] <sehe> !repositories | valentin13
[10:23] <ubotu> valentin13: The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[10:23] <valentin13> udo apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree sudo update-flashplugin
[10:24] <sehe> valentin13: looks ok :)
[10:24] <valentin13> ubotu i know apt
[10:24] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about i know apt - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[10:25] <valentin13> i wish donwload by shell
[10:25] <sehe> *smile*
[10:25] <sehe> valentin13: I wish understand could you
[10:25] <valentin13> lol
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[10:26] <valentin13> sudo ap-get adobe flash player
[10:26] <valentin13> error word
[10:26] <sehe> exit
[10:26] <sehe> amen
[10:26] <valentin13> lol
[10:27] <sehe> valentin13: It looks like you are using htis as a comand shell. I'm not getting it
[10:27] <JuNkPhreak> if you watch to search for somthing  do this sudo apt-cache searc <file>
[10:27] <JuNkPhreak> search lol
[10:27] <valentin13> nope
[10:27] <CPrompt^> JuNkPhreak : I've wondered how to do that LOL
[10:27] <valentin13> for donwload package
[10:27] <JuNkPhreak> what er you trying to find ?
[10:27] <valentin13> flash player
[10:28] <sehe> valentin13: it has been mentioned at least 5 times now
[10:28] <sehe> !flash | valentin13
[10:28] <ubotu> valentin13: To install Flash see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/Flash - Flash 9 is now available in dapper-backports and edgy-backports - See also !Restricted and !Gnash
[10:28] <valentin13> i can use  apt  but i wish to get by shell
[10:28] <CPrompt^> valentin13 : I gave you a link to download it
[10:28] <sehe> !repositories | valentin13
[10:28] <ubotu> valentin13: The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[10:28] <JuNkPhreak> this  ?
[10:28] <sehe> !repeat | valentin13
[10:28] <JuNkPhreak> flashplugin-nonfree - Adobe Flash Player plugin installer
[10:28] <ubotu> valentin13: Don't feel ignored and repeat your question quickly; if nobody knows your answer, nobody will answer you. You can search https://help.ubuntu.com or http://wiki.ubuntu.com while you wait. Also see !patience
[10:28] <valentin13> black terminal command you know
[10:28] <JuNkPhreak> flashplugin-nonfree - Adobe Flash Player plugin installer
[10:29] <valentin13> why  flashplugin-nofree
[10:29] <BluesKaj> goodluck getting flash to work in konqueror :(
[10:29] <sehe> valentin13: because you want it?
[10:29] <valentin13> yes
[10:29] <CPrompt^> LOL
[10:29] <JuNkPhreak> the do sudo apt-get install flashplugin-nofree
[10:29] <valentin13> the name is  adobe flash player
[10:29] <sehe> valentin13: I'm giving up. We're repaeating the same over and over
[10:29] <JuNkPhreak> if you dont have the right repos it wont work
[10:30] <sehe> !fr | valentin13
[10:30] <ubotu> valentin13: Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.
[10:30] <CPrompt^> man I need to copy this conversation!
[10:30] <sehe> CPrompt^: why? It copies itself every 5 minutes already
[10:30] <valentin13> nobody speak  they sleep all
[10:30] <genii> valentin13: It CAN't be "adobe flash player" because apt-get will think you want packages "adobe" "flash" and "player"
[10:30] <sehe> valentin13: Too bad. Then try the forums listed. I'm sure there are french forums
[10:30] <JuNkPhreak> heheh
[10:30] <CPrompt^> sehe : really?  huh...locally?
[10:30] <valentin13> oh ok
[10:31] <valentin13> i like the english forum
[10:31] <sehe> CPrompt^: on screen. I can hardly distinguish the current screen from three pages up :)
[10:31] <BluesKaj> sudo apt-get install flashplayer-nonfree
[10:31] <JuNkPhreak> why
[10:31] <valentin13> i am gonna for try
[10:31] <JuNkPhreak> thasts what i sent lol
[10:31] <sehe> valentin13: Ok, great- you are welcome. It just proves hard to commuincate on the IRC channel, because of the language bariiere
[10:32] <BluesKaj> JuNkPhreak, you talk too much and confuse the issue
[10:32] <JuNkPhreak> due what?
[10:32] <JuNkPhreak> lol
[10:32] <sehe> *sigh* calm down. Nobody here complicates it. It's just not going to work :D
[10:32] <CPrompt^> I think it was confusing before JuNkPhreak came along LOL
[10:32] <BluesKaj> let him make his mistakes if there are any
[10:32] <valentin13> : Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?
[10:32] <valentin13> wtf he say
[10:33] <sehe> valentin13: probably like it says. Close any gui apt-clients
[10:33] <JuNkPhreak> :}
[10:33] <sehe> valentin13: You know you can even have all of kubuntu in french?
[10:33] <BluesKaj> close adept or synaptic ...the guys french use simple lingo
[10:34] <JuNkPhreak> ugh
[10:34] <sehe> BluesKaj: not my strong point, i'll try more
[10:34] <valentin13> do not know
[10:34] <BluesKaj> gui apt-clients wth does that mean to a frenchman
[10:34] <sehe> BluesKaj: I heard you :) I agree.
[10:34] <nosrednaekim> BluesKaj: it means" I don't know english " ;)
[10:34] <CPrompt^> adept troit
[10:34] <BluesKaj> :)
[10:35] <sehe> valentin13: settings:/Accessibility/, Country and accessibility
[10:35] <valentin13> i have installation  weird of kubuntu
[10:35] <valentin13> my window  vista is supprim
[10:36] <JuNkPhreak> :0
[10:36] <sehe> valentin13: add 'french' and make it default language. relogon, et voila: l'universe se converse en francais
[10:36] <valentin13> my luanguage kubuntu is in french
[10:37] <sehe> *off the wall*: the why is my konversation looking like chinese
[10:37] <terrestre> !compiz
[10:37] <ubotu> Compiz (compositing window manager) and XGL (X server architecture layered on top of OpenGL) - Howto at http://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager - Help in #ubuntu-effects
[10:37] <BluesKaj> i can converse en francais a litle , but if it gets too techy I'm lost
[10:37] <sehe> BluesKaj: so that's immediate, unless you're #off-topic :D:D
[10:38] <BluesKaj> yeah there's always an off-topic cop hanging around somewhere :)
[10:38] <valentin13> i have french and english us
[10:38] <JuNkPhreak> :[
[10:38] <ubuntu> oi pessoal alguem fala portugues ai
[10:39] <ubuntu> hi friends anybody speak portuguese
[10:39] <sehe> !po
[10:39] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about po - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[10:39] <BluesKaj> !pt | ubuntu
[10:39] <sehe> !es
[10:39] <ubotu> ubuntu: Por favor use #ubuntu-br ou #ubuntu-pt  para ajuda em portugus. Obrigado.
[10:39] <ubotu> Si busca ayuda en Espaol por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendr mas ayuda.
[10:39] <sehe> ubotu is too smart for me
[10:40] <ubuntu> ei gente me ajude
[10:40] <ubuntu> hi people help me
[10:40] <valentin13> sa me rend fou lunix
[10:41] <sehe> cela?
[10:41] <valentin13> maniac
[10:41] <sehe> hehehe
[10:41] <valentin13> i am gonna for the suicide
[10:41] <valentin13> i think i prefer window
[10:41] <sehe> valentin13: that's #off-topic too
[10:41] <sehe> valentin13: i prefer the door
[10:41] <valentin13> wow
[10:42] <JuNkPhreak> mom
[10:42] <sehe> @flip what a beautiful night this is proving to be
[10:43] <sehe> i'm looking for the factoids database page. can't find it
[10:43] <sehe> !factoids
[10:43] <ubotu> I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots
[10:44] <VSpike> What print system does the GIMP use, ffs?
[10:44] <andresj> !pykde
[10:44] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about pykde - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[10:44] <sehe> !language
[10:44] <ubotu> Please watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.
[10:44] <sehe> VSpike: i suspect it's what the OS usess (so configurable). I'll have a quick check
[10:45] <sehe> !cups | VSpike
[10:45] <ubotu> VSpike: Printing in Ubuntu is done with CUPS. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Printers - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsPrinters - http://linuxprinting.org - Printer sharing: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NetworkPrintingFromWindows
[10:45] <valentin13> who know emeralta
[10:45] <sehe> valentin13: emerald?
[10:45] <valentin13> who know emrald
[10:45] <sehe> valentin13: emerald?
[10:46] <VSpike> sehe - doesn't seem to be cups. The setup seems to be very different
[10:46] <valentin13> settings emerald
[10:46] <CPrompt^> as in Beryl's Emerald?
[10:46] <sehe> VSpike: i'm looking at it. YOu know, Gimp is GTK, , not really KDE, even crossplatform
[10:46] <sehe> CPrompt^: yup
[10:47] <sehe> valentin13: use beryl-manager, it's in the tray menu
[10:47] <VSpike> sehe: yeah, indeed
[10:47] <VSpike> sehe: I'm just trying to print photos really.  I normally use digikam for most tasks.
[10:48] <VSpike> sehe: My digikam image editor seems to be broken, and there doesn't seem to be an easy way of printing from Digikam itself
[10:48] <sehe> VSpike: i doubt that Gimp can even rpint ?
[10:48] <sehe> VSpike: I cant locate the print function. Could you help me find the menu item?
[10:48] <VSpike> sehe: it does print, but the prints aree washed out
[10:48] <adenicio_> IS IT TRUE THE TEAMS THAT MAKE UBUNTU AND KUBUNTU ARE FIGHTin to see with stays?
[10:48] <sehe> VSpike: I think I use konqueror directly. It had some kind of nifty wizard (like in XP)
[10:48] <VSpike> sehe: under File-> Print, one the image window
[10:49] <sehe> adenicio_: some ppl think that is the case. I don't think so, because there are different audiences for both
[10:49] <CPrompt^> konqueror does a pretty good job just print ordinary stuff IMO
[10:49] <sehe> adenicio_: On a friendly note, if you say linuces are competing, yes! and the is A Good Thing (tm)
[10:50] <sehe> VSpike: i don't have the option, so I carnt help you. Does seem nonstandard then :D
[10:50] <combo> is kiba-dock working on KDE ?
[10:50] <adenicio_> sehe: and about fedora is that the main one?
[10:50] <sehe> combo: yes it is.
[10:50] <combo> sehe: thx
[10:51] <sehe> combo: last time I checked (12 months or so) I had to use an external package. It might be in repo now
[10:51] <CPrompt^> VSpike : well you're a step ahead of me.  I had a heck of a time getting Kubuntu to print to my printer LOL
[10:51] <valentin13> shiit
[10:51] <VSpike> How do you do it in konqueror?
[10:51] <valentin13> beryl manager no good
[10:51] <sehe> adenicio_: nobody 'rules' a winner. Fedora is still very popular
[10:51] <valentin13> white page on the computer
[10:51] <sehe> valentin13: sudo apt-get remove beryl-manager
[10:51] <CPrompt^> VSpike : let me see if I can get to my linux computer via VNC
[10:52] <sehe> valentin13: #kubuntu-effects
[10:52] <valentin13> ok
[10:52] <adenicio_> ok
[10:53] <sehe> adenicio_: I think, 'competition' between distros, desktop environments etc., office suites, SIP phone clients, firewall packages,  etc etc is the thing that allows Linux to become better than commercial closed OS-es
[10:53] <CPrompt^> VSpike : and that would be a big fat no.  LOL  Sorry, I can't get to my linux computer ATM.
[10:53] <JuNkPhreak> l8r
[10:53] <CPrompt^> bye
[10:53] <sehe> bye
[10:54] <VSpike> CPrompt^: thanks anyways
[10:54] <eSmErEjOn> spanish
[10:54] <sehe> !es
[10:54] <ubotu> Si busca ayuda en Espaol por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendr mas ayuda.
[10:55] <terrestre> someone using kiba-dock or another dock like application? any suggestions?
[10:55] <VSpike> I dont get any wizard from cprompt, that's for sure
[10:55] <sehe> terrestre: do you have a question using those?
[10:55] <VSpike> I dont get any wizard from konq I mean - sorry, lack of sleep
[10:56] <terrestre> im looking for a stable one
[10:56] <valentin13> sehe do you knwo  why  my  beryl 3d is not working
[10:56] <adenicio_> sehe: is fedore more simple?i install it once but that was my first time instaling linux i had prob then i went to buntu bu i didnt like wa i saw then i try kubuntu witch was complicated to install with one hdd it kill my xp partition so i had to get 1 more hdd for it but i had like wa i saw but the crashes was anoying i only keep it because it look good n it had a lot of thins then ubuntu
[10:56] <valentin13> beryl settings manager
[10:56] <sehe> valentin13: no. but is is a regular problem. Google 'ubuntu beryl white screen'
[10:56] <valentin13> 3d effect i click
[10:56] <adenicio_> oups rite to much :-P
[10:57] <sehe> adenicio_: depends
[10:57] <valentin13> i can to get    other for to get 3 d desk
[10:57] <CPrompt^> VSpike : I just opened an image in Konq and went "Edit" -> Print
[10:57] <sehe> adenicio_: if you are use to fedora/red hat likes, it might be simpler
[10:58] <terrestre> i use kiba right now
[10:58] <sehe> adenicio_: In my experience, the install of kubuntu (feisty) is very safe and easily installs alongside XP
[10:58] <CPrompt^> VSpike said : "I dont get any wizard from cprompt, that's for sure"  Sorry...I'll try to get you a wizard next time :p
[10:59] <valentin13> gentoo  is good
[10:59] <nosrednaekim> ).o
[10:59] <valentin13> i do not know
[10:59] <nosrednaekim> 0.o
[10:59] <cprmpt> what are you saying about me now?
[10:59] <sehe> valentin13: yes it is. gives you plenty of time to think
[10:59] <CPrompt^> later all.  valentin13...it's been fun :)
[10:59] <sehe> cya
[10:59] <valentin13> gentoo is more hard that  kubuntu so
[11:00] <sehe> valentin13: yup
[11:00] <sehe> valentin13: a *lot*
[11:00] <sehe> valentin13: especially installation
[11:01] <valentin13> i have installed  kubuntu easy
[11:02] <valentin13> just te problem connect by wii fi  i connect just in ethernet
[11:02] <valentin13> the
[11:02] <sehe> !ask | valentin13
[11:02] <ubotu> valentin13: Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[11:02] <sehe> i mean, is that a question for help? or just cahtting about your install?
[11:03] <VSpike> can anyone help me get digikam to print and scale correctly without cropping my images?
[11:03] <_Shade_> how do i get back kubuntu default settings? I tried to reinstall the kubuntu-default-settings package but it comes to nothing
[11:03] <valentin13> how to mak for to get  korn shell
[11:03] <valentin13> make
[11:03] <sehe> _Shade_: you could try deleting ~/.kde
[11:04] <valentin13> no
[11:04] <_Shade_> sehe: and then what? just re-log in?
[11:04] <valentin13> deleting it is no good
[11:04] <sehe> valentin13: please valentin13, patience, and a little more words in a sentence?
[11:04] <sehe> valentin13: why not dleete?
[11:04] <nosrednaekim> _Shade_: but notice that that will also remove any email from kmail.. all bookmarks from konqueror, and all playlists from amarok.. to name a few
[11:04] <valentin13> delete = close  system
[11:05] <nosrednaekim> _Shade_: yep
[11:05] <nosrednaekim> sehe: because it deletes..see above for the anotated list.
[11:06] <_Shade_> nosrednaekim:  that's ok unless it's dangerous to the system. Is it?
[11:06] <valentin13> who is  the administrator in room
[11:06] <nosrednaekim> _Shade_: nope.
[11:06] <_Shade_> nosrednaekim: ok, i'll do it then
[11:07] <nosrednaekim> sehe: please don't recomend that in the future unless you explain what else it can remove
[11:07] <Lam_> i'm looking for a program that can read the current display or website constantly for a specific phrase and when it appears, will alert the user
[11:07] <rick__818> server questions asked else where?
[11:07] <valentin13> do you know compiz
[11:07] <nosrednaekim> Lam_: write a bash script using wget.
[11:08] <Lam_> nosrednaekim: is it possible to use it to scan the site that uses the https protocol?
[11:10] <sehe> hi back. had one of those keyboard freezes again.
[11:10] <valentin13> it is possible of to make a pic  for desk  in luanguage programmer
[11:11] <sehe> valentin13: ?????
[11:11] <valentin13> pic computer desk
[11:11] <sehe> valentin13: cat forgy klutter
[11:11] <valentin13> i have pic dark vador o the desk
[11:12] <sehe> valentin13: purdy fudge sums murky fur on the spur
[11:12] <_Shade_> sehe: ok it worked. The only thing left is the kdm theme...
[11:12] <sehe> _Shade_: good i missed all the action
[11:12] <valentin13> sehe what is the programme for  to mke an trojan
[11:12] <valentin13> make
[11:12] <sehe> _Shade_: kdm theme is in KControl...
[11:12] <valentin13> c++
[11:13] <_Shade_> sehe: only if you install kdm-theme
[11:13] <valentin13> i think i am gonna for donwload  compiz
[11:13] <sehe> _Shade_:  is that so. So, what is your situation now, are you happy, or trying to get rid of the theme?
[11:14] <sehe> _Shade_: if so, do you have kdm-theme installed?
[11:14] <sehe> valentin13: i think you should, and wish you a very low download rate...
[11:14] <sehe> sorry peeps, i promise i shall ignore my french friend from now on
[11:15] <sehe> !block | sehe
[11:15] <_Shade_> sehe: well i just upgraded my system to gutsy but not all parts of it's look updated actually
[11:15] <_Shade_> so simply i wanted to have a gutsy look
[11:15] <sehe> _Shade_: no expert there. It could also be you need #kubuntu+1
[11:16] <_Shade_> i'll check then
[11:17] <Angelus> gutsy is newer then feisty?
[11:17] <sehe> yes
[11:17] <sehe> !gutsy
[11:17] <ubotu> Gutsy Gibbon is the code name for the next release of Ubuntu (7.10) | (due October 2007) | It is development software, as such unstable, support _only_ in #ubuntu+1
[11:17] <sehe> ^^ not the correct channel (ubuntu+1)
[11:18] <sehe> ^^ note*
[11:19] <_Shade_> another question is that when i try to update a package, apt-get says that it has been keept/stopped
[11:19] <valentin13> compiz-fuzion
[11:20] <sehe> _Shade_: do you have the proper message text?
[11:20] <BluesKaj> hehe compiz-confusion :)
[11:20] <sehe> BluesKaj: where?
[11:20] <BluesKaj> beryl
[11:20] <sehe> BluesKaj: Ow... i'm not getting my french firend's messages anymore... :D
[11:21] <valentin13> why i  some probleme when i tape  sudo apt-get compiz-fuzion
[11:21] <sehe> friend*
[11:21] <valentin13> beryl is dead
[11:21] <valentin13> he is not working
[11:21] <Angelus> ya
[11:21] <Angelus> i shot him
[11:21] <sehe> beryl is on vacation
[11:21] <BluesKaj> !beryl
[11:21] <ubotu> beryl is a window manager that takes advantage of an OpenGL accelerated X environment. Help in #ubuntu-effects
[11:22] <sehe> i promised so hard to ignore him. i just carnt
[11:22] <_Shade_> sehe: the point is that it's in my native language and you can translate it each given way
[11:22] <BluesKaj> beryl is usually a female name
[11:22] <sehe> _Shade_: ic
[11:22] <valentin13> sehe  why you wish ignore me
[11:23] <sehe> valentin13: i'm going to think of a very good answer that you will understand, while i go for a good night's sleep
[11:23] <Angelus> lol
[11:23] <valentin13> i am gonna for bed soon
[11:24] <sehe> _Shade_: you mean it says it 'stopped' so it doesn't finish, or it claims the *previous* run had been stopped?
[11:24] <valentin13> if you do not understand english so i can nothing for you
[11:24] <_Shade_> sehe: i'll try to purge the package before doing update again
[11:24] <sehe> valentin13: you multi-talented work of art
[11:24] <sehe> _Shade_: ok, so like a 'broken' package?
[11:25] <_Shade_> sehe: it connects to a specified package so i think it claims "stopped"
[11:25] <sehe> Maybe ubotu knows:
[11:25] <BluesKaj> bbl
[11:25] <sehe> !broken
[11:25] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about broken - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:25] <_Shade_> sehe: no it's not that
[11:25] <sehe> k. I'm afraid i don't recognize the message, so i probably never had it :(
[11:26] <Angelus> how can i use Xgl instead of Xorg?
[11:27] <mirso> Yo all. Is it possible to run Aiglx+beryl on a ATi x1900xt?
[11:27] <sehe> CompositeManager/Xgl, which is a GLX based X server that currently runs on top of the Xorg server. More information about it  here
[11:27] <sehe> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/Xgl
[11:27] <mirso> Sehe, thanks man =)
[11:27] <sehe> mirso: that was for Angelus
[11:28] <sehe> mirso: my guess is: yes there should be a hardware compat list online
[11:28] <mirso> Sehe, oh. Well I'm getting the error message "Xcomposite extension: failed" =(
[11:29] <tank> hi
[11:29] <sehe> mirso: https://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/hardware.html and check the above page, if your hardware is supported
[11:29] <mirso> Sehe, thanks again ;)
[11:29] <_Shade_> sehe: it's ok now. I think the point was it doesn't finish to install it previously... but it doesn't said it was broken
[11:29] <www> fuck
[11:29] <sehe> !language
[11:29] <ubotu> Please watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.
[11:30] <VSpike> When I drag a window to reposition it, the entire desktop stops updating until the drag is complete.  Is this normal?
[11:30] <www> fuck off
[11:30] <Angelus> xgl doesnt support via chipsets?
[11:30] <Angelus> :o
[11:30] <sehe> VSpike: not on kwin at least
[11:31] <VSpike> sehe: any idea what would cause it?
[11:31] <sehe> VSpike: not really. I'm guessing there might be a resource limitation going on (either memory full or perhaps low-performance configuration settings)
[11:31] <sehe> VSpike: in the latter case, check laptop power settings if it applies
[11:32] <terrestre> !compiz
[11:32] <ubotu> Compiz (compositing window manager) and XGL (X server architecture layered on top of OpenGL) - Howto at http://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager - Help in #ubuntu-effects
[11:33] <mrksbrd> where would i assign permissions to my usbhdd, will  not let me write to it
[11:33] <sehe> VSpike: just checked, beryl even updates streaming video while dragging (other) windows across cube faces... Pretty smooth
[11:34] <sehe> mrksbrd: I think it is a flag 'users' in the fstab (or use !pydsm for easier interface)
[11:34] <VSpike> sehe: seems to be caused by unchecking "display content in moving windows" in Desktop->Window Behaviour
[11:34] <sehe> mrksbrd: i think mount option -o user for owner, and -o users to allow mount by non-root
[11:34] <VSpike> sehe: If I check that again, things behave normally
[11:34] <mirso> Noob question. How much in KB is 512mb? lol
[11:35] <sehe> VSpike: ok good call. It's not exactly according to the descirption, but it's not unrelated :D
[11:35] <sehe> mirso: 512M = 1024 * 512 Kb
[11:35] <mirso> Sehe, Thanks =)
[11:35] <sehe> (G=1024*M=1024*K)
[11:35] <mrksbrd> lemme check
[11:35] <adenicio_> who know amsn good?
[11:35] <mrksbrd> ty
[11:36] <sehe> mrksbrd: 0.0
[11:36] <VSpike> sehe: seems a bit broken really - not what you would want I think
[11:36] <mrksbrd> !pydsm
[11:36] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about pydsm - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:36] <sehe> !info pydsm
[11:36] <ubotu> Package pydsm does not exist in feisty, feisty-seveas
[11:36] <sehe> !info pysdm
[11:36] <ubotu> pysdm: Graphical Storage Device Manager. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.4-1ubuntu2 (feisty), package size 26 kB, installed size 280 kB
[11:36] <sehe> sry :D
[11:36] <mrksbrd> let me check my fstab
[11:36] <sehe> pysdm => python storage device manager
[11:37] <sehe> hi runlevelten
[11:38] <VSpike> Not sure there's much point reporting kde 3.x.x bugs at the moment
[11:38] <mrksbrd> hmm wonder if gparted has a feature for read/write priv
[11:38] <runlevelten> hi sehe
[11:39] <sehe> VSpike:  I hardly think it would qualify as a defect. Yes, it can be confusing, but really: the setting is a performance optimization and it kind-of-makes sense that the whole screen updating is stopped
[11:39] <sehe> VSpike: I'm just taht type of guy that reads these descriptions and takes them literally :D
[11:39] <sehe> mrksbrd: it hasn't
[11:40] <sehe> mrksbrd: gparted doesn't have features for adding partitions to fstab
[11:40] <sehe> mrksbrd: I believe gparted even only mounts volumes configured in fstab)
[11:40] <sehe> ^^ mirso ^^ *blush*
[11:41] <VSpike> sehe: I'd disagree - at the very least the text is wrong.  The opposite of "Display content in moving windows" is "Don't display content in moving windows", not "freeze entire desktop while moving windows"
[11:41] <sehe> VSpike: so it should be more like 'reduce drawing while moving windows'
[11:42] <mrksbrd> no was saying maybe there was an option in gparted to automatically assigned permissions
[11:42] <VSpike> But what if you just want the elastic rectangle for resizing and moving but don't want to freeze the desktop?
[11:42] <sehe> mrksbrd: there is no such thing as permissions on partition level
[11:42] <mrksbrd> oh ok
[11:42] <sehe> mrksbrd: that would create problems when using a drive in different systems
[11:43] <anthronaut> sehe: although it would make sense, imho
[11:43] <sehe> VSpike: ah I don't know about that. kwin?
[11:43] <VSpike> sehe: yeah
[11:43] <michael_> can someone help me with beryl and an ati card?
[11:43] <mrksbrd> this whole thing w/this drive is a headache
[11:43] <sehe> anthronaut: ? i thik i missed something
[11:44] <VSpike> sehe: the redrawing of a lot of apps during resizing is really flickery and nasty, and tbh dragging windows can give some tearing and flicker too.  The outline frames are much nicer, to me at least
[11:44] <sehe> !beryl | michael_
[11:44] <ubotu> michael_: beryl is a window manager that takes advantage of an OpenGL accelerated X environment. Help in #ubuntu-effects
[11:44] <michael_> sehe, k, thnx
[11:44] <anthronaut> sehe: I mean, permissions on partition level would make sense in some way
[11:49] <adenicio> i want to turn amarock to the small thing in blue witch option iy is?
[11:50] <sehe> sry guys, had one of my keyboard freezes. They are getting pretty annoying
[11:50] <sehe> so where were we
[11:52] <anthronaut> sehe: keyboard freezes?! weird.
[11:52] <sehe> anthronaut: unfortunately increasingly common since i IRC :)
[11:52] <sehe> anthronaut: I asked around soem times nobody seems to be able to help.
[11:53] <anthronaut> sehe: do you know its origins?
[11:53] <sehe> anthronaut: the bugs are very 'popular' in kde-bugs though
[11:53] <sehe> anthronaut: if only... *sigh*
[11:53] <anthronaut> sehe: i see.. pretty bad
[11:53] <sehe> anthronaut: seems really random.
[11:54] <sehe> anthronaut: i queued with all the others at a random related bug (http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=109322)
[11:54] <sehe> anthronaut: there are many related bug reports, no solutions and most of these bugs are *old***
[11:55] <sehe> anthronaut: in case you were reading, comments 17+ are mine
[11:56] <valentin13> how to make for to know my video carte
[11:56] <anthronaut> sehe: I'm about to read it.
[11:57] <anthronaut> sehe: strange. it happens on both of your installations?
[11:57] <sehe> anthronaut: if you have *any* clues hints tips.... i'm open to suggestions
[11:57] <sehe> anthronaut: yes.
[11:57] <valentin13> nvidia   donwload there is  much of choise
[11:57] <Angelus> Angelus@Darkness:~$ compiz --replace
[11:57] <Angelus> Checking for Xgl: not present.
[11:57] <Angelus> Blacklisted 'via' driver is in use
[11:57] <Angelus> aborting and using fallback: /usr/bin/metacity
[11:57] <Angelus> no /usr/bin/metacity found, exiting
[11:57] <sehe> anthronaut: they are pretty similar (soft+conf) but on very different hardware
[11:57] <anthronaut> sehe: I gladly would if I had any. It's the first time I hear about it.
[11:57] <Angelus> any help with that please?
[11:58] <sehe> Angelus: the problem is Xgl is not present.
[11:58] <Angelus> hmm
[11:58] <Angelus> i see
[11:58] <sehe> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/Xgl
[11:58] <Angelus> but Xgl only support ATI/Nvidia/intel
[11:58] <Angelus> i have only a via chipset
[11:58] <Angelus> :S
[11:59] <sehe> anthronaut: bugs-kde has ample evidence that enough people recognize the bug. I'm not toooo bothered (I can rescue my work) but it is annoying and i'm slightly worried that the bug seems to be present since KDE 2 and still exists
[11:59] <sehe> Angelus: ok... too bad
[12:00] <sehe> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/AIGLX
[12:00] <sehe> Angelus:  ^^
[12:00] <Angelus> sehe: so i cant use XGl?
[12:00] <Angelus> ah
[12:00] <Angelus> aiglx
[12:00] <sehe> Angelus: not to sure but i think aiglx is something like software glx (sic - don't slam me if i'm talking nonsense here)
[12:03] <terrestre> !compiz
[12:03] <ubotu> Compiz (compositing window manager) and XGL (X server architecture layered on top of OpenGL) - Howto at http://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager - Help in #ubuntu-effects
[12:04] <sehe> terrestre: why do you keep asking ubotu about compiz (that's third time *i* see it(
[12:04] <terrestre> because i use the link to enter the channel
[12:04] <Angelus> maybe its excithing
[12:04] <Angelus> lol
[12:04] <terrestre> im lazy
[12:04] <sehe> terrestre: ok :) perhaps you could you an IRC client to remeber the channel :D
[12:05] <terrestre> jaja yeah maybe
[12:05] <terrestre> but i was rebooting x
[12:05] <sehe> terrestre: try "!compiz | terrestre" ?
[12:05] <sehe> nah we'll still see it...
[12:05] <terrestre> jajaj
[12:05] <terrestre> i can do it on ubuntu if you want
[12:05] <terrestre> :)
[12:06] <sehe> terrestre: lazy is a Good Thing (tm)
[12:06] <terrestre> i dont understand that
[12:06] <sehe> terrestre: I don't mind. Just checking if you were trying to 'ask a question' somehow :D
[12:06] <terrestre> oooh thanks
[12:06] <terrestre> by the way you are using compiz?
[12:06] <sehe> terrestre: I am lazy too, and proud of  it
[12:06] <terrestre> i dont understand the trademark
[12:06] <sehe> terrestre: not usually. I use beryl. I have compiz too, and can switch on the fly
[12:07] <terrestre> ooh
[12:07] <terrestre> what repos?
[12:07] <sehe> !humor (#off-topic)
[12:07] <terrestre> ajjajaa
[12:07] <sehe> info !beryl
[12:07] <terrestre> im latinamerican
[12:07] <sehe> !info beryl
[12:07] <ubotu> beryl: Compositing window manager, decorator and theme support - Beryl. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.2.1.dfsg+git20070318-0ubuntu2 (feisty), package size 2 kB, installed size 44 kB
[12:07] <sehe> universe it is
[12:07] <terrestre> ooh
[12:08] <terrestre> i use trevios one
[12:08] <terrestre> do you know it?
[12:08] <wagner> Alguin habla espaol?
[12:08] <terrestre> !es
[12:08] <sehe> terrestre: sorry
[12:08] <ubotu> Si busca ayuda en Espaol por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendr mas ayuda.
[12:08] <sehe> !es
[12:08] <terrestre> i like ubotu
[12:08] <sehe> so helpful of us :D
[12:08] <terrestre> yeah jaja
[12:08] <sehe> http://www.ubuntu-nl.org/source-o-matic/ if you need help finding repositories
[12:08] <wagner> ubotu, gracias
[12:08] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about gracias - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[12:08] <anthronaut> lol
[12:08] <sehe> So helpful of ubotu
[12:09] <terrestre> ubotu its my bestfriend
[12:09] <terrestre> jojo
[12:09] <DaSkreech> !bot
[12:09] <ubotu> I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots
[12:09] <terrestre> jajaja its so funny
[12:09] <terrestre> nice bot
[12:14] <Karti> Hi all, does anyone know of a link that would help me get 64 bit konqueror to view flash, as at the moment I have to use Firefox on 32 bit cheers ;)
[12:15] <sehe> Karti: this is hairy and not really suited for this channel. Meanwhile goole is your friend
[12:15] <sehe> Karti: oh and hello
[12:15] <Karti> and helllooooooooooo to you too!
[12:16] <sehe> Karti: second thought, it is ontopic :D
[12:16] <sehe> Karti: it's just not supported in general :D
[12:17] <Karti> sehe: no probs I am sure people have said they have done it......but am happy to search :)
[12:17] <elite101> u guys dont have to highlight i mena its only u too talking?
[12:17] <Karti> alhough it almost my bed time
[12:17] <sehe> Karti: good habits never die
[12:17] <sehe> elite101: old habits, more properly put
[12:18] <elite101> yeah i have to get into thoes habbits
[12:18] <sehe> elite101: once you find out tab-completion in konversation, it is no bother
[12:18] <Karti> elite101: I just like it as KVirc shows me when I move away from the window
[12:19] <DaSkreech> !flash64
[12:19] <ubotu> You can run Flash, Real, and Java plugins in AMD64 bit computers with Firefox. see the steps to follow at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FirefoxAMD64FlashJava
[12:19] <sehe> not bad. i've not been up to date with flash64 :D
[12:20] <Karti> DaSkreech: I have it in Firefox, but I think you mentioned before ndiswrapper and I'm not that familiar with it
[12:20] <DaSkreech> ndiswrapper?
[12:20] <DaSkreech> Wha?
[12:20] <sehe> ndiswrapper has to do with wifi?
[12:20] <Karti> I may have mispelt it from memory
[12:21] <sehe> Karti: sort of hacky way to get wifi cards supported by using NDIS drivers from windows
[12:21] <rrbiz> someone know if konversation has spellcheck?
[12:21] <sehe> Karti: i'm sure you have. Meanwhile, NDIS is likely to be a major problem on AMD64, because there aren't many supported NDIS drievrs for XP64/Vsta64 anyway
[12:21] <Karti> Yes, I know...the one I'm thinking of I am sure is a *wrappr
[12:22] <terrestre> someone using compiz-fusion?
[12:22] <sehe> Karti: probably mentioned only because it is problematic on *64, not because it is related to flash in any way
[12:22] <malqos> how can i create something like mac panel?
[12:23] <Karti> ha! its Nspluginwrapper
[12:23] <terrestre> what is mac panel?
[12:23] <sehe> Karti: that makes perfect sense
[12:23] <sehe> terrestre: maybe just don't answer if all you have is more questions :D
[12:23] <Karti> sehe:  I did asy from memory!
[12:24] <sehe> malqos: look at kibadock
[12:24] <terrestre> im curious
[12:24] <terrestre> kiba-dock its a dock
[12:24] <terrestre> mac panel i dont know
[12:24] <DaSkreech> Karti: I think that it's in the Konqueror plugins settings
[12:24] <malqos> kidadock?
[12:24] <sehe> terrestre: me too, but the chat is getting messed up by confusing responses
[12:24] <mrksbrd> sehe, i edited the fstab, but still doesn't give me permissions
[12:24] <DaSkreech> I totally don't remember how I got that working but I know it was something silly like opening he plugin clicking save and closing it and it worked
[12:24] <Karti> sehe: I had a play but it just shows a black screen where the flash should be
[12:25] <sehe> malqos: it's a docking menu that apparently resembles Mac OS X
[12:25] <sehe> mrksbrd: hi back
[12:25] <Karti> It annoys me as I love Konqueror
[12:25] <sehe> mrksbrd: I don't actually know what the context of your question was before
[12:25] <malqos> and how can i get it?where can i found it?how create?
[12:25] <aspire> hi... i added irc.spotchat.org server to kopete.. then when i restarted my pc... i could not connect to spotchat.org... kopete said it is offline... how do i make it online?
[12:25] <albertmk> Why Kubuntu comes with Konqueror instead of Firefox?
[12:25] <albertmk> :-(
[12:26] <sehe> albertmk: it doesnt. It comes with firefox AND konqueror
[12:26] <sehe> albertmk: konqueror is best integrated into KDE like IE in windows (oops flames?)
[12:26] <DaSkreech> sehe: No it just comes with Konqueror
[12:26] <terrestre> just konqueror
[12:26] <DaSkreech> sehe: No that's about right
[12:26] <mrksbrd> sehe, how to give read/write permissions to my USB HDD
[12:27] <DaSkreech> albertmk: Firefox is one apt-get away
[12:27] <sehe> albertmk: i mean, you can have both, it's not konq instead of firefox. Konqueror is much more than a browser.
[12:27] <malqos> ok im  close
[12:27] <malqos> :)
[12:27] <albertmk> sehe: didnt know that
[12:27] <terrestre> sudo aptitude install kiba-dock
[12:27] <elite101> [18:25]  <JonStar> 115 known linux virus's
[12:27] <elite101> o_0
[12:27] <terrestre> actually im trying avant-windows-navaigator
[12:27] <sehe> mrksbrd: (1) can you access the drive as root? (2) what filesystem is on the drive
[12:28] <mrksbrd> ext3
[12:28] <elite101> is this true? ---> [18:25]  <JonStar> 115 known linux virus's
[12:28] <albertmk> sehe: to me, its just a navigator like firefox
[12:28] <DaSkreech> albertmk: You will love konqueror once you discover man:/ and audiocd;/
[12:28] <albertmk> hope so :-)
[12:28] <DaSkreech> elite101: Maybe
[12:28] <DaSkreech> elite101: of those maybe 4 are viable
[12:28] <terrestre> man:/
[12:28] <terrestre> what do that?
[12:28] <terrestre> lets see
[12:28] <sehe> albertmk: that's ok, it is intended to be a web browser. Personally, i hate konq for web browsing :D
[12:28] <DaSkreech> maybe like 2 have ever been in the wild
[12:28] <terrestre> i love katapult
[12:28] <terrestre> jojo
[12:28] <DaSkreech> LIke 0 have ever made a difference
[12:29] <albertmk> sehe: thats weird :-P
[12:29] <terrestre> and dolphin is reall cool too
[12:29] <DaSkreech> sehe: It's not intended to be a web browser
[12:29] <sehe> DaSkreech: come again? konq *not* intended to be a web browser?!
[12:29] <albertmk> DaSkreech, so what is it intended to?
[12:29] <terrestre> man:/ jojo nice
[12:30] <DaSkreech> A parts viewer
[12:30] <DaSkreech> Just happens to have a KHTML part
[12:30] <sehe> DaSkreech: i mean, I said it is much *more* thatn that myself, but yes, konqueror is certainly the advertised webbrowser in KDE.
[12:30] <DaSkreech> It does text, pictures, archives, file systems, networks, devices etc
[12:30] <john777> hey does it have good driver support? how much hardware is supported?
[12:30] <sehe> DaSkreech: that's calling it technical parts, to avoid the statement about konqueror
[12:31] <DaSkreech> sehe: Ok sure it's the advertised web browser :)
[12:31] <albertmk> DaSkreech, thats cool
[12:31] <DaSkreech> john777: No it doesn't
[12:31] <DaSkreech> I've never found a good driver for my Delorian
[12:31] <albertmk> DaSkreech, in fact, I used to be Ubuntu user.
[12:31] <sehe> john777: it = kubuntu?
[12:31] <sehe> john777: yes it has
[12:31] <DaSkreech> albertmk: Welcome to Kubuntu
[12:31] <albertmk> But now, I can see that KDE just rocks
[12:31] <albertmk> =] 
[12:32] <DaSkreech> albertmk: I want that on a shirt :)
[12:32] <sehe> mrksbrd: (1) can you access the drive as root? (2) what filesystem is on the drive
[12:32] <albertmk> very beautiful
[12:32] <DaSkreech> albertmk: You haven't even hit up alt+space yet
[12:32] <albertmk> hmm, what alt+space does?
[12:32] <john777> whats kubuntu?
[12:32] <albertmk> wont close my windows right? lol
[12:32] <elite101> use oil?
[12:33] <Karti> Definately a show stopper .....ALt + Space
[12:33] <sehe> DaSkreech: personally i don't understand katapult. It finds stuff i don't want, and doesn't find stuff i do
[12:33] <Karti> lol
[12:33] <albertmk> Katapult o.0
[12:33] <sehe> DaSkreech: however, the new kickoff menu (Suse style) integrated desktop search rocks
[12:33] <DaSkreech> john777: Please have a subject in your sentences/questions
[12:33] <malqos> and maybe someone know how to change the trash icon?i download whole them and i have new icon and almost whole icons changed but not trash
[12:33] <malqos> ?
[12:33] <DaSkreech> makes life much easier
[12:34] <Karti> anyway...night all....
[12:34] <DaSkreech> sehe: Turn off the bookmarks catalog :) It's always in the way
[12:34] <albertmk> woowww
[12:34] <DaSkreech> sehe: Bah waiting on Raptor ;)
[12:34] <albertmk> katapult is cool
[12:34] <albertmk> interesting hehe
[12:34] <DaSkreech> !katapult
[12:34] <ubotu> katapult is the new application launcher for KDE, to be used with applications, bookmarks, and Amarok playlists. Once you have installed, hit Alt+f2 -> katapult, then hit Alt+Space, and type what you want.