[01:23] <ShackJack> Anyone know when tribe 5 will be hitting the repos?... No lovin' on an aptitude full-upgrade...
[01:36] <happytiger> ERROR: Could not find Intel PRO/Wireless 3945ABG Network Connection
[01:36] <happytiger> ??
[01:36] <happytiger> Anyone
[01:36] <happytiger> I do have restricted modules install
[01:37] <happytiger> modprobe ip3945 just cant seem the the wirelss card anymore?
[01:39] <happytiger> dmesg gives ...[   42.320000]  bridge-eth1: peer interface eth1 not found, will wait for it to come up
[01:50] <Arwen> ick, apparmor breaks my printer
[02:02] <Arwen> gah! X11 display corruption! evil!
[02:03] <AnRkey> this apparmor makes me nervous, secure is nice but I wanna do loads of tests before I use it on my servers
[02:12] <RAOF> AnRkey, Arwen: File bugs, that's why apparmour is turned on now; so you can find what breaks and tell us :)
[02:20] <AnRkey> RAOF, i plan to do just that, I have 5 test machines at work.
[02:23] <RAOF> Arwen: Excellent!
[02:23] <Arwen> eh?
[02:23] <RAOF> Whoops.  s/Arwen/AnRkey/
[02:24] <c00i90wn> I'm having a little problem I just upgraded to gutsy and now I can't login to my OS, GTK+ is complaining about it running under setuid setgid
[02:26] <AnRkey> Arwen, just smile and wave :)
[02:27] <AnRkey> RAOF, you work on apparmour?
[02:31] <RAOF> AnRkey: No, not at all.  I just know that we've got it enabled so that people can knock the edges off it :)
[02:32] <AnRkey> when suse started with apparmour it broke allot of my servers at work
[02:32] <AnRkey> so thats why i say it makes me nervous
[02:32] <AnRkey> i will make sure to "knock the edges" right off :D
[02:33] <AnRkey> our box's are hit allot by script kiddies and my denyhosts daemon works overtime to block them
[02:33] <AnRkey> if we get apparmour running nicely it will make my boss and me happier
[02:33] <RAOF> If it breaks too much stuff it won't be enabled on release.  Ideally, however, it'll be fixed so we can enable it.
[02:46] <jpwhiting> hi all, I've got a semi-broken gutsy install, and I'd like to switch back to the latest feisty kernel and nvidia-glx-new versions
[02:46] <jpwhiting> is this possible?
[02:47] <Arwen> eh, yes. Kind of,.
[02:47] <Arwen> you could download the feisty debs and install them, or you could add feisty repositories and then set them to have a very low pin priority.
[02:47] <jpwhiting> I come from gentoo a year or so ago and could build my own kernel if needed
[02:47] <Arwen> or you could build your own kernel (probably the best answer here)
[02:48] <jpwhiting> not sure I can build a kernel with initrd etc, like production ubuntu kernels though...
[02:49] <jpwhiting> with gentoo I'd build monolithic ones and get the stuff in I need on like the 3rd or 4th try ;-)
[02:50] <jpwhiting> which is fine with me, just wonder if it will get in ubuntu's way when gutsy is released...
[02:50] <jpwhiting> I've never had much luck mixing production kernels with my own built ones...
[02:50] <jpwhiting> bipolar: is that you?
[02:51] <jpwhiting> Arwen: how hard is it to use the feisty repos with lower pin?
[02:52] <Arwen> not that hard, but it's messy and not a good long-term solution
[02:52] <jpwhiting> ah
[02:52] <Arwen> pinning is explained somewhere in the debian manual
[02:53] <jpwhiting> k, thx, I'll try that I think, as this should just be until gutsy is released I hope
[02:53] <jpwhiting> bipolar: ping
[02:54] <happytiger> Is ipw3945 broken??? with latest kernel ??
[02:55] <bipolar> jpwhiting: yo
[02:55] <jpwhiting> bipolar: haven't seen you in ages
[02:55] <jpwhiting> (you don't come to #kde4-devel much anymore... )
[02:55] <c00i90wn> I'm having a little problem I just upgraded to gutsy and now I can't login to my OS, GTK+ is complaining about it running setuid or setgid (from the .xsession-errors )
[02:55] <bipolar> jpwhiting: busy as a one armed paper hanger
[02:56] <jpwhiting> (hope I don't get flamed for mentioning the "other" desktop in a ubuntu channel)
[02:56] <jpwhiting> yeah
[02:56] <c00i90wn> what can I do to fix it?
[02:56] <bipolar> jpwhiting: i'm about 80% into a complete replacement of our I.T. infrastructure
[02:56] <jpwhiting> ah, nice
[02:56] <c00i90wn> I get a blueish screen and just the mouse
[02:56] <jpwhiting> yeah, that explains it
[02:56] <bipolar> jpwhiting: which include all linux workstations :)
[02:57] <bipolar> running windows in vmware for 'legacy apps'
[02:57] <jpwhiting> ah
[02:57] <bipolar> we'll be windows free in a year
[02:57] <jpwhiting> excellent
[02:57] <bipolar> I've been working 16+ hour shifts for almost a week now.
[02:58] <bipolar> I'm the only guy here :\
[02:58] <c00i90wn> can anyone please help me? :S
[02:59] <jpwhiting> bipolar: at a school? or where?
[02:59] <jpwhiting> that stinks I was an I.T. department before
[02:59] <jpwhiting> for a small company
[02:59] <jpwhiting> <15 employees
[03:00] <bipolar> 16 workstations, plus home workers
[03:00] <jpwhiting> ah
[03:00] <bipolar> about 40 employees
[03:01] <jpwhiting> what kind of company is it?
[03:01] <bipolar> security
[03:01] <bipolar> burg, fire, etc
[03:01] <jpwhiting> cool
[03:03] <bipolar> so the servers are mission critical, and must be fully redundant and up 24/7
[03:03] <jpwhiting> ah
[03:03] <jpwhiting> raid and all that jazz then?
[03:04] <DanaG> How about VMs with failover, and such?
[03:04] <bipolar> jpwhiting: more then that.
[03:05] <jpwhiting> well, yeah
[03:05] <jpwhiting> :)
[03:05] <bipolar> 2 servers, redundant power and raid. then  drbd to mirror between them.
[03:05] <bipolar> and heartbeat to failover services automaticly
[03:05] <bipolar> ups and generator
[03:06] <bipolar> even hot swap redundant fans
[03:07] <khoa> any idea why i'm getting no SSL library found when trying to use pidgin under gutsy
[03:07] <khoa> i'm trying: "sudo apt-get install libnss-dev libnspr-dev" to fix this but both of these packages are not in the gutsy repository?
[03:08] <jpwhiting> bipolar: crazy cool
[03:09] <jpwhiting> anyway, nice to see ya again, it's bath time though, so I'll be away for a bit
[03:09] <khoa> furthermore, and kinda as another question, after updating tribe4->tribe4 today, by gnome version is still showing 2.19.6 is this correct?
[03:10] <Arwen> yes'
[03:13] <bipolar> jpwhiting: :)
[03:14] <klick> hey all, can anyone tell me how to choose which services like apache pureftpd ircdd start at boot?  I see services under system settings but it seems that only controls the current status not the boot status
[03:26] <phil_pi> trying to upgrade from feisty to gutsy tribe 5, "update-manager -d" finds 0 updates.  do i need to add gutsy repositories to the sources list?  i recall doing that to upgrade breezy to dapper and dapper to feisty.
[03:27] <ysth1> phil_pi: maybe you need -c and -d both
[03:28] <phil_pi> tried that, still nothing
[03:28] <phil_pi> all it checks is the standard feisty repositories
[03:29] <ysth1> I remember trying 2 or 3 different things before getting it to work, but that was quite a while ago
[03:30] <ysth1> maybe --dist-upgrade too?
[03:31] <phil_pi> hmm, will try that and browse the man page
[03:32] <phil_pi> ok, that found packages suggested by ubuntu-desktop which isn't installed (17 new like bittorrent, evolution, etc.)
[03:35] <Pici> You need the latest version of the update-manager on feisty to upgrade to gutsy.
[03:35] <phil_pi> yup, got it
[03:35] <phil_pi> i read somewhere that updates appear first for high priority customers
[03:36] <phil_pi> might have been an interview with mark shuttleworth
[03:37] <ysth1> phil_pi: when you're on gutsy, you'll be getting plenty of updates, plenty often :)
[03:37] <phil_pi> yes
[03:37] <phil_pi> was on feisty tribe 4
[03:38] <phil_pi> seems like feisty updates slowed to a trickle when development of gutsy got serious
[03:39] <Toma-> phil_pi: you can enable proposed updates
[03:40] <phil_pi> Toma-: you mean the feisty-proposed checkbox in update manager?
[03:40] <Toma-> yes
[03:41] <phil_pi> tried that and got 10 updates to things like cdrecord
[03:41] <Toma-> yes?
[03:41] <Toma-> or backports if you want new versions of things
[03:41] <phil_pi> yeah, now i'm up to the bleeding edge of feisty ;)
[03:41] <phil_pi> backports ... hmm
[03:43] <jkimball4> Is it possible to use Beryl or Compiz themes through appearances preferences?
[03:43] <Kousotu> anyone got any ideas on how I could disablemy touchpad without affecting my mouse?
[03:43] <phil_pi> if all else fails i could do a fresh install from cd
[03:45] <ysth1> phil_pi: no matter what switches you use, you don't get an option to upgrade distributions?
[03:47] <fignew> Kousotu: I know how to do it under KDE :/
[03:47] <Kousotu> lol
[03:47] <Kousotu> know how to doi it fromthe core?
[03:48] <fignew> Kousotu: do an apt-get search for synaptics
[03:48] <fignew> you'll find what you're looking for there
[03:48] <Kousotu> gsynaptivs?
[03:48] <Kousotu> it gives an error
[03:50] <fignew> what gives an error?
[03:50] <phil_pi> ysth1: right, i don't get the option to upgrade to a new distribution
[03:52] <ysth1> phil_pi: is it possible you overlooked it for one of the variations of parameter?
[03:53] <phil_pi> sudo update-manager -c -d --dist-upgrade
[03:54] <ysth1> g*d, python is ugly
[03:54] <ysth1> (IMO)
[03:54] <phil_pi> maybe i'll burn a copy of the gutsy install cd and add it to the repositories with the "add cd" button
[03:54] <phil_pi> that might kick it into gear
[03:56] <c00i90wn> wow fixed it by changing /etc/timezone
[03:56] <c00i90wn> to Europe/Berlin
[03:57] <c00i90wn> now dist-upgrade continued
[03:59] <phil_pi> ysth1: might learn python soon
[03:59] <ysth1> phil_pi: are you running it with the flags and selecting Check?
[04:00] <phil_pi> yep
[04:00] <phil_pi> nuthin happens
[04:00] <ysth1> try with -p too?
[04:00] <phil_pi> -p ?  no man page available
[04:01] <phil_pi> --help lists a bunch of switches
[04:01] <phil_pi> -p --preprocessor string    string indicates which preprocessors to run
[04:02] <ysth1> update-manager --help
[04:02] <phil_pi> --proposed
[04:03] <phil_pi> there are no upgrades available for your system
[04:04] <Pici> "If you upgrade from feisty, please make sure that you have update-manager 0.59.23 from feisty-updates installed. Then run "update-manager -d".
[04:04] <Pici> Thats what the Tribe5 wiki page says
[04:04] <phil_pi> doesn't find the update
[04:05] <phil_pi> verified the version, tried all the flags
[04:05] <phil_pi> will try adding the install cd to the list of sources
[04:05] <Pici> I'd just go through the sources.list at this point.
[04:06] <phil_pi> sources.list is all feisty stuff
[04:06] <phil_pi> should i just change them to gutsy?
[04:06] <Pici> I think thats better than adding the CD
[04:07] <phil_pi> not sure what the correct path in the apt line should be for gutsy
[04:10] <Kousotu> anyone got any ideas on how I could disablemy touchpad without affecting my mouse?
[04:11] <phil_pi> Kousotu:  the usual way to configure touchpad is to edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf but I think there's a GUI gonfiguration tool you can install, available since feisty
[04:12] <Kousotu> they don't work
[04:12] <Kousotu> I tried them
[04:12] <phil_pi> ok
[04:12] <Kousotu> alogwith xorc
[04:12] <Kousotu> org*
[04:12] <Pici> phil_pi: This is my sources.list http://pastebin.com/f56c0dc01
[04:13] <Pici> I guess it could be consolidated a little bit, but it works
[04:13] <phil_pi> great, that looks similar to a list posted on a forum thread
[04:13] <phil_pi> i'll add the lines for gutsy and leave feisty in there as well (for a first try)
[04:14] <ysth1> phil_pi: sounds egdy :)
[04:14] <ysth1> err, edgy
[04:14] <Kousotu> lol
[04:16] <AnRkey> to upgrade to gutsy on my machine the wiki page for tribe 5 (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GutsyGibbon/Tribe5?action=edit) says to run update-manager -d
[04:16] <AnRkey> it finds nothing to update
[04:17] <AnRkey> i ran a sudo update-manager and it then finds it
[04:17] <AnRkey> gonna edit it
[04:18] <phil_pi> actually the lines for gutsy are the same as feisty, so i'll just replace the one word
[04:18] <ysth1> I think sudo is assumed.  phil_pi: were you sudoed?
[04:18] <phil_pi> yes
[04:19] <phil_pi> i sudo for admin tasks
[04:20] <vDub> can someone help me upgrade Ubuntu from 7.04 to the latest test version of 7.10?
[04:21] <vDub> the page doesn't offer much help. I tried to run the command update-manager -d like it said, but all it did was open the update manager and tell me my system was up-to-date
[04:21] <Arwen> I can try
[04:21] <Arwen> ok, that one I never figured out what to do about
[04:21] <phil_pi> vDub:  working on that issue myself
[04:21] <vDub> *lol*
[04:21] <phil_pi> no luck yet
[04:22] <phil_pi> i just manually edited sources.list to change feisty to gutsy, about to try it
[04:22] <Arwen> *shudder*, have fun
[04:22] <jpwhiting2> ok, I got nvidia kernel module and sound working with kernel from when I was on feisty
[04:22] <phil_pi> still says up to date
[04:23] <jpwhiting2> but X dies saying it can't load the nvidia kernel module... :(
[04:23] <jpwhiting2> though the nvidia kernel module is definitely loaded, lsmod shows it
[04:23] <jpwhiting2> do I need to somehow downgrade my X also... :(
[04:24] <vDub> I'll probably just remove 7.04 and install the test version of 7.10 instead. :-P
[04:25] <phil_pi> something's happening ...
[04:25] <pwnguin> i think i broke my wireless with today's kernel update =(
[04:25] <vDub> phil_pi - it work?
[04:26] <phil_pi> it said it's up to date, but then i clicked the "check" button and it's downloading a new list of packages
[04:26] <phil_pi> taking a few minutes
[04:26] <vDub> phil_pi - if it works, let me know what all you did so I can repeat it. :-)
[04:27] <phil_pi> 586 updates available
[04:27] <ysth1> phil_pi: up to date just means up to date as of last check
[04:27] <phil_pi> not all updates can be installed, it's recommending to run a partial upgrade
[04:28] <phil_pi> here goes nothing .......
[04:28] <vDub> I managed to get something..
[04:28] <vDub> nm...
[04:28] <vDub> wasn't what I was hoping for
[04:28] <pwnguin> does ubuntu support ppc still?
[04:29] <Pici> !ppc
[04:29] <ubotu> PowerPC.  Formerly used by Apple for the Macintosh line of computers. Variants are now used in popular gaming consoles. PPC was a fully supported Ubuntu architecture up to and including edgy. It is now a community port, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PowerPCFAQ
[04:29] <pwnguin> we just handed out like 20 feisty cds at an activity fair, and we had a couple questions about ppc
[04:30] <phil_pi> vDub, here's what did it.  edited /etc/apt/sources.list, replaced all feisty with gutsy, run the update-manager -c -d ... click on "check" button in GUI, it finds 586 updates
[04:30] <vDub> cool, thanks
[04:30] <phil_pi> about to try the partial upgrade & see what breaks :)
[04:30] <phil_pi> caveat emptor
[04:30] <ysth1> "a community port" means *not* "fully supported"?
[04:31] <vDub> I gotta wait for these two updates to finish downloading and installing and then I'll go ahead and try that
[04:31] <Arwen> ysth1, yes
[04:31] <phil_pi> it'sthe motherlode
[04:31] <ysth1> too bad
[04:31] <phil_pi> better shut down apps like irc ...
[04:33] <ysth1> won't be where there's a feisty to try on till Monday, though.
[04:38] <roe_> anyone else notice a high load average after the recent updates?
[04:38] <Arwen> now that you mention it, yeah. My CPUs are hovering at 3-5%
[04:39] <Arwen> oh wait, that's just aMule. Never mind.
[04:39] <roe_> I am idling at 2.0 load average, and I have everything but top, and xchat closed
[04:39] <roe_> I even turned off compiz, and just running metacity
[04:39] <Arwen> (Metacity takes more CPU than Compiz :-))
[04:43] <pwnguin> question: networking is broke in gutsy for me, so i went back to feisty. can i chroot update gutsy?
[04:43] <Arwen> yes
[04:44] <pwnguin> "connecting to us.archive.ubuntu.com...." and it never connects =(
[04:44] <Arwen> or not
[04:49] <RAdams> I need some help connecting my Palm Lifedrive via USB on Gusty Tribe 4
[04:56] <jpwhiting> this worked a week ago before I applied updates
[04:57] <jpwhiting> anyone know if I can downgrade x package to previous version?
[05:00] <RAdams> jpwhiting: you can right click a package in synaptic and force a version
[05:00] <jpwhiting> ugh, synaptic, haven't touched that thing in years
[05:00] <jpwhiting> adept or aptitude?
[05:01] <jpwhiting> plus I have no X at the moment...
[05:01] <jpwhiting> aptitude or apt-get would be better...
[05:01] <RAdams> jpwhiting, one moment...
[05:01] <Jordan_U> !pinning | jpwhiting
[05:01] <ubotu> jpwhiting: pinning is an advanced feature that APT can use to prefer particular packages over others. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PinningHowto
[05:02] <Jordan_U> jpwhiting, Can you connect to anything?
[05:02] <jpwhiting> sure
[05:02] <jpwhiting> I'm using another computer currently for irc, etc.
[05:02] <jpwhiting> so I can go check out pinning
[05:03] <RAdams> Jordan_U, beat me too it
[05:03] <RAdams> *to
[05:03] <RAdams> :P
[05:03] <Jordan_U> jpwhiting, Try the Canadian mirror, the U.S. one is notoriously unreliable
[05:03] <jpwhiting> why?
[05:03] <jpwhiting> I use the us one all the time
[05:03] <jpwhiting> and have no issues lately
[05:04] <jpwhiting> if I hit anything I'll switch though
[05:04] <jpwhiting> :)
[05:04] <Jordan_U> jpwhiting, So do I, and it stops working for me a lot, and many times people will come into #ubuntu saying apt-get no longer works, they switch to the canadian mirror and no problems
[05:06] <Jordan_U> jpwhiting, Oh, sorry, I was confusing you with pwnguin
[05:07] <jpwhiting> :)
[05:07] <masquerade> Well, this was an interesting round of kernel updates.
[05:09] <masquerade> ysth1, sounds like a good idea, it took some magic to get -10 working enough for me to even get on IRC
[05:13] <ysth1> -10 worked just great for me, except for no sound
[05:14] <jdt> hi, I have noticed that when trying to start more than 2 firefox instances, it hangs. Does anyone else experience this?
[05:14] <jpwhiting> ah, I have no idea what package to pin or anything
[05:15] <jpwhiting> anyone else experienced nvidia drivers not working on latest kernel?
[05:15] <jdt> you can recreate what I am experiencing simply by starting 3 firefox's, Im just wondering whether I should consider filing a bug.
[05:15] <masquerade> jpwhiting, I've heard a few cases lately
[05:15] <jpwhiting> actually, maybe the nvidia driver isn't the problem, as sound also doesn't work either
[05:15] <jdt> jpwhiting: I have a NVidia Geforce Go 7700 card, not experiencing any troubles.
[05:16] <jpwhiting> jdt: k
[05:16] <jpwhiting> I have onboard ati video, and am using a 7300 GS pci-e card
[05:16] <jpwhiting> I've had issues with this motherboard (busses, or something) before though...
[05:17] <roe_> jdt, no issues opening firefox 2,3,4 times
[05:17] <masquerade> I personally didn't have any issues with my video, dunno if sound works yet, I had issues with networking and all kinds of other stuff at first but its been resolved
[05:17] <jpwhiting> anyway, I have it close to working by telling grub to use the old kernel
[05:17] <vanberge> can anyone tell me - on the gutzy alpha, is there a 'simple' way to enable restricted formats?  i know with edgy they made it easier.  i think i just had to check a box or something.
[05:17] <jpwhiting> sound works, the nvidia driver loads, etc.
[05:17] <jdt> roe_: Thanks, seems like it must just be me then :)
[05:17] <masquerade> Yeah, I have no sound. :)
[05:18] <jpwhiting> but starting x doesn't work and Xorg.0.log just says it couldn't load the nvidia kernel module
[05:18] <roe_> I am experiencing a +2.0 average load continuously, for no apparent reason
[05:18] <jpwhiting> roe_: does top show trackerd near the top?
[05:18] <jpwhiting> I run kde, but had trackerd a nautilus file monitor using half my cpu the other day
[05:19] <roe_> my cpu is almost idle
[05:19] <jpwhiting> oh, that is weird then
[05:19] <roe_> so is my diskusage, and my ram is onlyy 27% used
[05:20] <roe_> but my load average is 2.17
[05:27] <jpwhiting> anyone know if it's safe to downgrade back to feisty?
[05:27] <jpwhiting> i.e. replace gutsy with feisty in sources.lst, and update, dist-upgrade
[05:27] <jpwhiting> or does that not work for some reason?
[05:27] <ysth1> jpwhiting: I would expect major pain, but perhaps I'm a pessimist
[05:29] <IdleOne> jpwhiting: I dont think that would work but you could give it a shot. BACKUP first
[05:29] <jpwhiting> :) of course
[05:30] <IdleOne> let us know how it works out
[05:30] <jpwhiting> will do
[05:30] <jpwhiting> might be a day or so, (lots to back up... :)
[05:31] <jpwhiting> but if I can get this computer going again with the right drivers, etc. I'll be in heaven I think
[05:37] <masquerade> Anyone sorted out the sound issues on -10 yet?
[05:38] <roe_> might be a stupid obervation, but why would you be running gutsy on a machine with "lots to backup
[05:38] <ysth1> roe_: 1) music, 2) video, or 3) pr0n
[05:38] <roe_> ah, I forgot about 3
[05:39] <roe_> everyone doesn't have a raid server for 3?
[05:39] <roe_> I mean...um, what pr0n
[05:40] <ysth1> masquerade: I heard:  TheInfinity: i know this prob from santa rosa platform, thats why i ask. and this bug is already reported, patches are out - i dont know why it is not updated until now
[06:26] <Ahadiel> Where is the GUI for configuring X?
[06:26] <Ahadiel> I can't find it =/
[06:26] <Ahadiel> (Tribe 5)
[06:47] <shirish> hi all, no activity?
[06:48] <shirish> http://www.bash.org/?310390
[06:51] <hylje> not at all
[06:52] <shirish> ;)
[06:52] <pwnguin> Ahadiel: i think you have to install it yourself. it's like diplayconfig-gtk or something
[06:52] <Ahadiel> pwnguin, found it, and it was installed by default
[06:56] <johnficca> what is the right dpi for a screen that is 1024x768
[06:56] <johnficca> my dpi is set to 96 but the font on my window borders looks to small
[06:57] <johnficca> and then its to big when I log out and then back in
[07:01] <pwnguin> man h264 playback is brutal on the cpu
[07:02] <pwnguin> it maxes out one of my cores =(
[07:02] <nemik> has anyone gotten sound working again?
[07:03] <Ahadiel> mine wasn't working, then I unmuted it in alsamixer
[07:05] <nemik> hmm mine won't modprobe correctly
[07:18] <daurnimator> name for next realease: http://www.thinginabag.com/images/content/ubuntu-hungry-hippo.jpg
[07:19] <malnilion> Hahaha, that'd be wonderful
[07:21] <DanaG> I'm now using an older Athlon XP laptop while my Core Duo laptop is being serviced.
[07:22] <DanaG> I like some HP stuff, but somebody must've been drunk, or worse, when designing this thing.
[07:22] <DanaG> It idles at 70 C, and upon load, it'll hit up to 87 or even 90 C.
[07:22] <DanaG> Yet the fan doesn't turn on until 75.  Crazy.
[07:22] <DanaG> My hostname: amaterasu
[07:26] <DanaG> Oops, closing buddy list closed Pidgin.
[07:26] <DanaG> Bad default.
[07:33] <DanaG> Hmm, hwdb-gui freezes on 'video'.
[08:24] <Assid> hrmm
[08:24] <Assid> the new compiz package update seems a bit slower.. my benchmarks just fell
[08:25] <contrast83> Greets, everyone...
[08:25] <contrast83> Has anyone here had any success compiling Fusion from GIT on Gutsy?
[08:26] <Assid> contrast83: c-f is part of gutsy
[08:27] <contrast83> Assid: I know, but using the packages gives me hard locks, which I never got when compiling on Feisty.
[08:27] <Assid> hrmm
[08:28] <contrast83> I'd rather compile anyway, to be honest. More up-to-date. (Yes, I realize this isn't always necessarily a good thing. :-)
[08:28] <RAOF> contrast83:
[08:29] <RAOF> contrast83: Have you filed a bug?
[08:29] <contrast83> ?
[08:29] <Assid> upto date ? your still using 0.52
[08:29] <contrast83> RAOF: No, because I wasn't sure how to get any useful information when it's hard-locking like that.
[08:30] <contrast83> Assid: There's more to CF than core. ;-)
[08:30] <RAOF> contrast83: Well, even filing a "it locks hard" bug can be useful, and developers can suggest ways to get useful info.
[08:31] <RAOF> contrast83: Also, hard locks sound like "I try to metacity --replace with the nvidia 100 series drivers, and it hard-locks" ;)
[08:31] <Assid> yeah.. everytime i get a crash.. i let it report.. the more bug reports they get the better the quality of the software with me
[08:31] <RAOF> Assid: That's why you're running gutsy :)
[08:31] <Assid> sometimes if im doing nothing.. i try to crash it for the sake of it
[08:31] <Assid> rather do it when im doing nothing .. thjen when im doing something productive
[08:32] <Assid> RAOF: only thing i dont like.. is some reports are huge.. last coredump was 9.6MB :(
[08:32] <RAOF> Soft!  I've submitted a 200Mb core :P
[08:32] <Assid> dude.. i have a 128kbit connection during the day
[08:33] <contrast83> RAOF: Nope, it just happens in the middle of doing hardly anything when CF is running. Nothing in particular seems to trigger it.
[08:33] <RAOF> Ah.  That's what the "reduced info" thing is for :)
[08:33] <Assid> didnt ask me this time
[08:33] <RAOF> contrast83: Eh.  You're the first person I've heard complain about that.
[08:33] <Assid> although i want to report a bug report this time.. i dont knwo what to do
[08:33] <RAOF> contrast83: Ooooh... Browsing the internet with gnash?
[08:34] <Assid> the new update that got rolled out now.. the one with compiz seems to be mightly slow.. compiz benchmarks says  260fps.. normally i get 400 odd
[08:34] <RAOF> contrast83: A handy hint is "Compiz + nvidia + any other opengl app = badness"
[08:34] <contrast83> RAOF: I know. I've yet to find anyone else who's experienced it, which is another part of the reason I haven't filed a report...
[08:35] <Assid> contrast83: then vote for that bug..
[08:35] <RAOF> Assid: Xgl.  It works around *all* of nvidias badness :)
[08:35] <contrast83> RAOF: Ermm... CF + OpenGL apps haven't given me any problems at all, really. Some may not perform quite as well with CF running, but that's it - no crashes or anything.
[08:35] <Assid> RAOF: isnt xgl slower or something?
[08:36] <RAOF> Assid: Faster, generally.
[08:36] <Assid> different people give me different views :(
[08:37] <Assid> RAOF: so why isnt xgl default?
[08:37] <RAOF> Also, you should soon be able to install my new, improved (and actually buildable) xgl package, with bonus xsession files!
[08:37] <RAOF> Assid: Because it breaks some stuff.  Also, it's never been released.
[08:37] <RAOF> Assid: And when I say "some stuff", basically what I mean is wine :(
[08:37] <Assid> never released ? so how do you use it?
[08:37] <contrast83> *officially* released
[08:37] <RAOF> Well, we take a snapshot of git.
[08:37] <Assid> hrmm i do use wine.. quite often
[08:38] <contrast83> Assid: ATI, i assume?
[08:38] <RAOF> It's still possible to use wine, it can just be a little more effort.
[08:38] <Assid> contrast83: nvidia 6600GT
[08:38] <Assid> RAOF: more effort ?
[08:39] <contrast83> from my understanding, Xgl's mainly used on ati cards whose drivers don't allow for direct rendering under X
[08:39] <RAOF> Assid: "DISPLAY=:0 wine <program to run>"
[08:39] <RAOF> contrast83: Some of that statement was correct :/
[08:39] <contrast83> RAOF: that being?
[08:39] <Assid> RAOF: why cant it default to the current display on its own?
[08:40] <RAOF> Assid: Because the current display is actually :1
[08:40] <RAOF> contrast83: That Xgl is mainly used on ATI cards :)
[08:40] <Assid> err.. so why 0 then ?
[08:40] <RAOF> Assid: Because Xgl is :1, and the underlying X server is :0.  So you *can* run wine on the underlying X server, bypassing Xgl.
[08:41] <Assid> hrmm.. k
[08:41] <Assid> okay so what do i do.. im confused now
[08:42] <RAOF> contrast83: So, for fglrx users, Xgl provides Composite & GL_EXT_texture_from_pixmap, using only the 3d accel that fglrx provides.
[08:43] <contrast83> RAOF: i thought DRI was in there also (among Composite and GL_EXT_texture_from_pixmap)?
[08:43] <RAOF> contrast83: For nvidia (or intel, or open-source ati, or whatever) users, Xgl provides *working* Composite & t_f_p ;)
[08:43] <RAOF> contrast83: Nope.  Xgl requires OpenGL acceleration, and in return makes everything else work.
[08:43] <contrast83> meaning what?
[08:44] <RAOF> contrast83: Meaning that everyone's Composite, t_f_p, and RENDER (oooh, and Xv) stuff is broken in some way.  Xgl fixes it.
[08:45] <contrast83> RAOF: is this taking into consideration the strides that have been made since xcb's implementation?
[08:47] <RAOF> contrast83: Yes.  (open source)Ati & Intel drivers *still* suck at re-directed GL, and Xv
[08:48] <contrast83> hmm... i never noticed. :-P
[08:48] <RAOF> contrast83: There's some highly experimental work (it requires git drm, Xorg, intel drivers, and one other thing) to make intel do re-directed GL.
[08:48] <contrast83> what's redirected gl do, exactly?
[08:48] <contrast83> in layman's terms, if possible. :-)
[08:48] <RAOF> contrast83: Surely you've noticed that Xv just doesn't work at all under compiz with either intel or ati?
[08:49] <contrast83> don't think i ever had to use it
[08:49] <RAOF> contrast83: So, what the Composite extension does is say "don't render to the framebuffer (in vram), render to this piece of memory instead.  I'll copy it to the framebuffer for you, later"
[08:49] <contrast83> i mostly use my desktop though, which is on nvidia, but my laptop has intel, and my previous one had ati
[08:49] <RAOF> The frame buffer being what's displayed on the screen.
[08:50] <contrast83> ok...
[08:50] <RAOF> contrast83: If you'd ever tried to play a movie on your laptop with Compiz enabled, you'd notice.
[08:50] <contrast83> blue video?
[08:50] <RAOF> contrast83: Now, neither intel nor open-source ATI drivers actually take any notice of this.  They just go "hey, the framebuffer's where its at!"
[08:51] <RAOF> contrast83: That sounds like a fglrx problem I've heard of.  Compiz + video + intel should mean *black* video :)
[08:52] <Assid> hrmm
[08:52] <contrast83> nope. blue. on intel (and the older ati).
[08:52] <Assid> so xgl doesnt do 3d rendering ???
[08:52] <RAOF> Assid: It depends on what you mean.  Programs running under Xgl *can* do 3d rendering.
[08:53] <RAOF> They won't get a direct rendering context, though.  But that's only a slight performance hit.
[08:53] <RAOF> Unless you're running wine, where Windows programs say "no direct rendering?  You obviously don't have 3d accel".
[08:54] <RAOF> And wine doesn't like Xgl for other reasons, either.
[08:54] <Assid> hrm
[08:54] <RAOF> But that's bugs in wine (and stupid windows programs), not bugs in Xgl.
[08:54] <Assid> lemme see what happens to the bug report i filed on compiz
[08:55] <contrast83> RAOF: would you honestly recommend xgl to someone with an nvidia card though?
[08:55] <RAOF> contrast83: I use it myself on an nvidia card.
[08:56] <contrast83> hmm
[08:56] <RAOF> It's annoying that wine sucks, but it makes (for example) suspend/resume + compiz work.
[08:56] <contrast83> proprietary driver, right?
[08:56] <RAOF> There 'aint no free OpenGL driver (yet) :)
[08:57] <Assid> hehe
[08:57] <RAOF> See point...
[08:57] <RAOF> !nouveau
[08:57] <ubotu> Nouveau is an experimental open-source nVidia driver, aiming for full 3d support.  Homepage at http://nouveau.freedesktop.org/ - EXPERIMENTAL packages at https://dogfood.launchpad.net/~raof/+archive
[08:57] <Assid> one sec.. im gonna try suspend
[08:57] <contrast83> Nouveau actually *does* 3d support now?
[08:58] <RAOF> contrast83: Where "3d" == "runs glxgears" on some cards.
[08:58] <RAOF> _aiming_ for full 3d support :)
[08:58] <contrast83> but you can't run CF under it, right?
[08:58] <Assid> stupid crap
[08:58] <RAOF> Noooooooo
[08:58] <RAOF> contrast83: It doesn't do textures yet.
[08:59] <contrast83> k
[08:59] <Assid> RAOF: actually the reason im running gutsy is cause of CF
[08:59] <contrast83> ironic. the reason i'm not sure i want to keep gutsy on my main desktop is cause of cf
[09:06] <contrast83> i think i'm just gonna settle on E17 for my eye-candy needs at the moment
[09:07] <Assid> e17?
[09:08] <jscinoz> hey guys
[09:08] <jscinoz> since the last kernel update, my sound doesnt work, can someone walk me through getting it working?
[09:10] <nemik> jscinoz: i downloaded newest alsa snapshot driver. unzipped. did `./configure` then `make` then `make install` and it was working again
[09:11] <jscinoz> where can i get the alsa snapshot driver?
[09:12] <ryan8403> I'm running gutsy (kubuntu) and when playing videos/dvds the picture doesn't show up or shows up at the very bottom of the screen, any one know how to get around this?
[09:13] <nemik> jscinoz: ftp://ftp.suse.com/pub/projects/alsa/snapshot/driver
[09:14] <jscinoz> can i install it with checkinstall?
[09:16] <nemik> jscinoz: i don't know what that is
[09:17] <jscinoz> use instead of make install to create a deb from it
[09:17] <jscinoz> and install the deb
[09:17] <nemik> i have no idea. you can try i suppose
[09:21] <rob> hello, I was just wondering if wpasupplicant supports the rt73usb wireless driver in Gutsy, I have heard that it does.
[09:21] <rob> Is this correct?
[09:48] <vega-> is it possible to use a proxy with update-manager ?
[09:49] <vega-> where does one specify it?
[09:49] <vega-> (trying to upgrade from feisty to gutsy with update-manager -d)
[09:49] <Jordan_U> vega-, Why do you need a proxy?
[09:49] <coNP> vega-: IMHO it should respect the gnome proxy setting. Isn't it?
[09:51] <Jordan_U> vega-, Depending on the proxy you could use a program like socksify
[09:51] <vega-> coNP: that is set, and also Acquire::http::Proxy in apt.conf
[09:51] <vega-> doesn't work
[09:52] <Jordan_U> vega-, Why do you need a proxy?
[09:52] <vega-> Jordan_U: isn't that kind of obvious why i need a proxy? :) my company doesn't allow http connections out otherwise
[09:53] <Jordan_U> vega-, What do they allow?
[09:54] <coNP> IRC I guess :D
[09:54] <Jordan_U> *restrictive
[09:55] <vega-> ssh out is ok :)
[09:58] <TheInfinity> vega-: ssh out means ssh to computer with irssi means irc ;)
[10:00] <Assid> hrmm..
[10:00] <Assid> can partitions be resized?
[10:03] <Jordan_U> vega-, Have you tried using socksify?
[10:44] <jscinoz> Hey guys, im trying to install a newer build of alsa, from a homemade deb, however i get the following error "dpkg: error processing alsa-driver_hg20070824-1_i386.deb (--install):
[10:44] <jscinoz>  trying to overwrite `/lib/modules/2.6.22-10-generic/kernel/sound/ac97_bus.ko', which is also in package linux-image-2.6.22-10-generic" what can i do?
[10:45] <Hobbsee> use dpkg -i --force-overwrite, if you're sure it'si OK to overwrite
[10:50] <Assid> yoza
[10:51] <Assid> Hobbsee: you check other bugs by any chance besdies bluetooth?
[10:52] <Hobbsee> Assid: hm?
[10:52] <Assid> bugs
[10:52] <Assid> launchpad
[10:52] <Hobbsee> what about them?
[10:53] <Hobbsee> sure, kde*, general bugs.  *shrugs*
[10:53] <Assid> hrmm k
[10:56] <jscinoz> thanks
[10:56] <Hobbsee> Assid: why?
[10:57] <Assid> jkust curious.. saw you mark my bug
[10:57] <Assid> was like hrmm.. i know this person on irc
[10:57] <Hobbsee> heh :)
[11:02] <coNP> Someone on Kubuntu Gutsy with daily upgrades can confirm if Kate is working ATM?
[11:02] <Hobbsee> coNP: is here
[11:02] <coNP> Thanks Hobbsee.
[11:03] <coNP> Sorry. I was told it is a feisty box.
[11:06] <Hobbsee> coNP: oh, kde 3.5.6
[11:06] <Hobbsee> no, wait, 3.5.6 was distributed withi feisty iirc.
[11:06] <coNP> Actually I was only asked by a guy on our LoCo channel. He says todays kdelibs security upgrade ruined his kate
[11:07] <Hobbsee> kdelibs had a security update?
[11:08] <coNP> Not security, but https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdelibs/4:3.5.6-0ubuntu14.1
[11:08] <coNP> Well, it *is* security :)
[11:08] <Jordan_U> coNP, I ignored it but there was a known bug that showed up when I got the update
[11:08] <Jordan_U> ( from apt-listbugs )
[11:09] <Hobbsee> CVE-2007-4225
[11:09] <ubotu> Visual truncation vulnerability in KDE Konqueror 3.5.7 allows remote attackers to spoof the URL address bar via an http URI with a large amount of whitespace in the user/password portion. (http://cve.mitre.org/cgi-bin/cvename.cgi?name=CVE-2007-4225)
[11:10] <Hobbsee> i wonder why that hasnt been added to gutsy yet
[11:10] <Hobbsee> coNP: well, no idea what "Ruined" means.  kate starts here, etc.
[11:11] <Hobbsee> it's not the bug i was thinking of, then.
[11:11] <coNP> Okay. I am also not sure, only has been asked.
[11:11] <coNP> But thanks, anyway.
[11:13] <jscinoz> hey guys, since the last kernel update i lost all sound, i was instructed to install a newer alsadriver from source, which i have, however i still have no sound, and now my sound card doesnt show up with lspci, what can i do?
[11:14] <Assid> hrmm
[11:14] <Assid> anyoe managed to synch their nokia with any app on kubuntu
[11:16] <jscinoz> afk
[11:25] <Eq|work> mmm, some ELO :)
[11:26] <AnRkey> hi
[11:26] <AnRkey> just tried to upgrade to tribe 5 from feisty and got this output Failed to fetch http://archive.canonical.com/ubuntu/dists/gutsy/commercial/binary-i386/Packages.gz 404 Not Found
[11:28] <Eq|work> AnRkey : not something you need to be too worried about just now
[11:28] <Eq|work> but atm there is no commercial archive for gutsy.
[11:29] <AnRkey> disable it in sources.list?
[11:29] <Eq|work> or ignore it
[11:30] <AnRkey> it won't go on so disabling it
[11:31] <AnRkey> support for xmms ended?
[11:32] <jscinoz> hey guys, since the last kernel update i lost all sound, i was instructed to install a newer alsadriver from source, which i have, however i still have no sound, and now my sound card doesnt show up with lspci, what can i do?
[11:38] <Eq|work> AnRkey : hm?
[11:40] <AnRkey> the upgrade spat out a load of packages that support is ending for...
[11:42] <jscinoz> hey guys, i cant get my sound card working, as when ALSA tries to load the module, it returns "WARNING: Could not open '/lib/modules/2.6.22-10-generic/kernel/sound/snd-hwdep.ko': No such file or directory" and 3 similar messages concerning files snd-page-alloc.ko, snd-timer.ko, and snd-pcm.ko, how can i go about repairing these files?
[11:45] <Eq|work> jscinoz : sudo updatedb; locate snd-hwdep.ko
[11:46] <jscinoz> and repeat for the other files?
[11:47] <Eq|work> no, paste the output
[11:54] <jscinoz> one sec eq let me dump it in pastebi
[11:55] <Eq|work> err, the output should only have been a couple of lines at most..
[11:55] <jscinoz> 5 lines
[11:55] <jscinoz> eq|work http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/34867/
[11:55] <Eq|work> more than i was expecting.
[12:00] <vega-> what's the recommended method of upgrading from feisty to gutsy on the command line?
[12:04] <jscinoz> eq? what can i do
[12:07] <jscinoz> i think i fixed it
[12:07] <jscinoz> think being the operative word
[12:07] <jscinoz> eq
[12:08] <jscinoz> all the missing files can be found in sound/core as you saw, if i linked them to sound would that work?
[12:09] <jscinoz> eq?
[12:11] <Eq|work> jscinoz : try it. looks likely to me.
[12:11] <Assid> err
[12:11] <Assid> anyopne managed to synch their nokia phone ?
[12:14] <Assid> it really cant be that bad to synch a cell phone
[12:21] <jscinoz> Eq| done, i could modprobe snd-hda-intel with no problems, but i still have no sound, the volume bar shows its set to 0 and muted, but i cant unmute or increase volume
[12:21] <Eq|work> reboot?
[12:21] <jscinoz> alright
[12:21] <jscinoz> be right back
[12:26] <jscinoz> No luck EQ
[12:26] <jscinoz> the volume is now set to full and unmuted, but no sound can be heard
[12:28] <jscinoz> EQ, also if i plug headphones in all i can hear is a ticking noise.
[12:36] <jscinoz> eq?
[12:39] <yaccin> Disks & Filesystems doesnt work in kcontrol/systemsettings :(
[12:39] <Hobbsee> yaccin: known, i think
[12:41] <leperkhanz> How do I solve this:error: C compiler cannot create executables
[12:41] <leperkhanz> Or can somebody add this to the repos: http://vsr.informatik.tu-chemnitz.de/~jan/noteedit/noteedit.html
[12:41] <leperkhanz> This is going to be HUGE for other musicians.
[12:42] <TheInfinity> leperkhanz: this is no repos
[12:42] <TheInfinity> and ask in ubuntu-devel
[12:42] <TheInfinity> or become maintainer for yourself ;)
[12:43] <w00t> leperkhanz: do you build-essential?
[12:45] <w00t> *have build-essential
[12:45] <leperkhanz> w00t?  What?
[12:45] <leperkhanz> Is that in synaptic?
[12:45] <w00t> leperkhanz: sudo apt-get install build-essential
[12:46] <leperkhanz> ok, downloading...
[12:46] <leperkhanz> wait, needs /cd?  damn, that is nowhere to be found.
[12:46] <yaccin> wow the new volume display thingy in kde is way better then the one from feisty :D
[12:46] <w00t> no idea, I just know that error is a sign that your build environment is damaged or incomplete
[12:46] <leperkhanz> cool, thanks.
[12:47] <w00t> :)
[12:47] <leperkhanz> failed to download all of it from the repos.
[12:48] <leperkhanz> And I don't have a CD.  *sigh*
[12:48] <w00t> that's ..odd
[12:52] <Hobbsee> TheInfinity: those in ubuntu-devel are usually too busy to do random new packages
[12:52] <Hobbsee> See !motu
[12:52] <AnRkey> Hi Sarah
[12:52] <Hobbsee> hi AnRkey
[12:52] <TheInfinity> Hobbsee: thats why the german kubuntu team has an own repos, yes ;)
[12:53] <Hobbsee> TheInfinity: would be better if they collaborated and got their stuff reviewed, but yes.
[12:53] <Hobbsee> TheInfinity: the REVU queue is reasonably low at the moment, as all the old packages were considered comprimised.
[12:53] <AnRkey> what is the /etc/login.defs file for?
[12:54] <coNP> AnRkey:  shadow password suite configuration
[12:54] <coNP> AnRkey: man login.defs
[12:54] <TheInfinity> its just a inoffical source for latest amark etc
[12:54] <TheInfinity> *amarok
[12:54] <AnRkey> tribe 5 wants to replace mine, that ok on a feisty to gutsy upgrade?
[12:54] <AnRkey> what will i lose?
[01:07] <Jordan_U> AnRkey, I would back up the current one just in case
[01:16] <AnRkey> good idea
[01:16] <AnRkey> ok be back when it's done
[01:23] <pvandewyngaerde> how do i get the tribe 5 kdm artwork ???
[01:29] <rob> TheInfinity, I have a feisty package of it if you want (nted)
[01:29] <rob> I can probably make a Gutsy package too after my update finishes
[01:31] <rob> I really should get back involved in doing packages for ubuntu proper rather then random packages for myself :)
[01:38] <rob> TheInfinity, http://stoffers.id.au/ubuntu/nted_0.0.4-1ubuntu0_i386.deb
[01:38] <TheInfinity> thanks ... but another guy looked for this pac kage ;)
[01:39] <rob> oh sorry :)
[01:39] <rob> oh and he left
[01:40] <rob> no matter
[01:50] <cr1ss> hello, I tried installing Pulseaudio, but after realizing that I don't really need it, I uninstalled it.. however, since then, I have no sound at all ! when I go to System -> Preferences -> Sound and I press the button test, I get the error message : audiotestsrc wave=sine freq=512 ! audioconvert ! audioresample ! gconfaudiosink: Internal GStreamer error: state change failed.  Please file a bug at http://bugzilla.gnome.org/enter_bug.cgi?produ
[01:59] <phil_pi> just installed gutsy tribe 5 and all fonts are really small
[02:01] <Pici> phil_pi: System>Preferences>Apperance>Fonts>Details and change the DPI
[02:02] <phil_pi> it shows 100.  i quess 100 would be a sane value?
[02:02] <Pici> I usually just play with it until it looks good.
[02:03] <phil_pi> great, thanks.  80 looks good ... just like feisty :)
[02:03] <phil_pi> it was 75
[02:08] <avis> i just tried to change my login screen by instaling a .tar.gz file and it would not add it to the list of themes
[02:09] <yaccin> when i try to visit http://smspillaz.wordpress.com/ konqueror freezes
[02:18] <IdleOne> yaccin: opens in firefox
[02:19] <yaccin> and i dont want it ^^
[02:19] <yaccin> + i dont have firefox
[02:19] <yaccin> actually i have firefox, but i dont use it
[02:19] <yaccin> it was installed when i installed german language pack o.O
[02:19] <yaccin> which is kinda wrong
[02:19] <yaccin> installing a new language shouldnt install new software
[02:21] <IdleOne> yaccin: see if you can reproduce the problem and file a bug
[02:22] <IdleOne> Can someone please add to the output of lsb_release -a the Tribe # being run?
[02:23] <IdleOne> something like Release: 7.10 ( Tribe 5 )
[02:23] <IdleOne> I know it is just decorative and non essential but I think alot of ppl would appreciate it
[02:25] <Pici> The problem is that a Tribe is just a moment-in-time release.
[02:27] <Pici> IdleOne: Rather, its just a snapshot of the current alpha status, the moment an update comes out after the tribe is released, its no longer tribe x anymore.
[02:33] <snadge> whats the main difference between 386 and generic kernels?
[02:39] <khermans_> has anyone seen slowness in gutsy in GUI apps?
[02:39] <khermans_> also, my firefox now exits with error code 1
[02:40] <Julius-GutsyTest> hello
[02:40] <khermans_> everything was fine with updates until a few days ago, but now it is crap!
[02:40] <Julius-GutsyTest> I've got some problems on the live cd of Gutsy and I was wondering if I have to report it or not
[02:40] <khermans_> Julius-GutsyTest: which problems?
[02:41] <khermans_> check launchpad to see if bug exists
[02:41] <Julius-GutsyTest> /bin/sh: /usr/bin/esd: not found
[02:41] <Julius-GutsyTest> this one for example
[02:42] <Eq|work> esd has been removed from gutsy.
[02:42] <Eq|work> so whatever is spawning that has a bug
[02:42] <Julius-GutsyTest> and how can you listen to something without it ? Oo
[02:43] <Julius-GutsyTest> Totem is using it
[02:43] <Eq|work> it shouldn't be
[02:43] <Julius-GutsyTest> that's the case. I can't hear anything from Totem
[02:44] <terlmann> Errors were encountered while processing:
[02:44] <terlmann>  tzdata
[02:44] <terlmann>  :-(
[02:44] <terlmann> What do I do now......
[02:44] <terlmann> is there anyway around this ?
[02:44] <Julius-GutsyTest> what's that ?
[02:45] <terlmann> Setting up tzdata (2007f-3ubuntu1) ...
[02:45] <terlmann> dpkg: error processing tzdata (--configure):\
[02:45] <terlmann> I can't get it to go past this package, upgrading from feisty
[02:46] <Julius-GutsyTest> Eq|work: do I have to report it ? maybe I can try to hear something from the laptop with mpg321 ?
[02:47] <Eq|work> your sound should still work fine.. try xmms or something
[02:48] <IdleOne> Pici: i understand that it is just a snapshot but what else can we call the release in between snapshots? so until Tribe 6 is released it would be Tribe 5.xx so might as well just leave it at tribe 5 for the time being. it is just a decorative/descriptive way of knowing what version is being run
[02:48] <terlmann> is it recommended I bypass this package ? and if so how do I do that ?
[02:48] <Pici> IdleOne: I think it would be too hard to maintain.
[02:49] <IdleOne> Pici: possibly. I'm going to see if I cant figure it out and let you know
[02:50] <terlmann> how do I force dpkg to skip upgrading tzdata ?
[02:50] <Eq|work> IdleOne : err, it's still all gutsy alpha..
[02:51] <Pici> IdleOne: It just doesnt make sense to me.  What would be the point in maintaining a package just to update the tribe status in lsb? And what would constitute making a sub-point release change?
[02:51] <IdleOne> Eq|work:  yeah I know. it is more for ego boosting then anything else in my mind. just to be able to show ppl " Look at me I'm running Ubuntu 7.10 Tribe X
[02:52] <terlmann> There are 100 people in here. Could someone please help me upgrade my testing system to gutsy unstable ?\
[02:52] <IdleOne> terlmann: sudo update-manager -d
[02:52] <w00t> anyone have *any* idea why installing traceroute uninstalls ubuntu-desktop and a few other bits?
[02:53] <IdleOne> w00t: ubuntu-desktop is a meta package and safely removed although recommended to have when doing upgrades
[02:53] <w00t> I know, that's why I'd really not like it to be removed
[02:53] <w00t> The following packages will be REMOVED
[02:53] <w00t>   traceroute
[02:53] <w00t> The following NEW packages will be installed
[02:53] <w00t>   gnome-nettool iputils-tracepath ubuntu-desktop
[02:53] <w00t> these seem to conflict with each other - why, I have no idea
[02:53] <IdleOne> w00t: you can install it again afterwords
[02:54] <terlmann> IdleOne : I already know how to manually change the sources list and how to run sudo aptitude dist-upgrade -f -q -y
[02:54] <hylje> w00t: you get gnome-nettool iputils-tracepath and ubuntu-desktop installed, not removed
[02:54] <w00t> hylje: I'm trying to reinstall them
[02:54] <w00t> they then proceed to remove traceroute.
[02:54] <hylje> tracepath is just about equivalent traceroute
[02:54] <hylje> to
[02:55] <w00t> so is there an actual reason for this seemingly stupid dependancy shuffle?
[02:55] <Pici> Yes.
[02:55] <hylje> exclusive resource somewhere
[02:55] <IdleOne> tracepath and traceroot might conflict hence the reason for removing one when installing the other
[02:56] <IdleOne> have a good day folks.
[02:59] <terlmann> Could not install 'tzdata'
[02:59] <terlmann> The upgrade aborts now. Please report this bug against the 'update-manager' package and include the files in /var/log/dist-upgrade/ in the bugreport.
[03:04] <AnRkey> just done an upgrade to feisty
[03:04] <AnRkey> baahhh
[03:04] <AnRkey> gutsy
[03:04] <AnRkey> and wow
[03:05] <AnRkey> the fresh installs are nice but on my laptop it's just perfect
[03:05] <AnRkey> compiz is muuuuuch better
[03:15] <TerraMaster> Hello?
[03:15] <hylje> hi
[03:15] <TerraMaster> How do I mount my usb drive?
[03:15] <hylje> it should mount automagically
[03:15] <TerraMaster> It doesnt
[03:15] <davidB21> Hello Everyone, under Feisty fdisk see my HDD as an IDE (/dev/hda*), but under Gusty tribe 5 (live CD) fdisk see my HDD as a SATA disk (/dev/sda*), is it a bug or a feature ?
[03:15] <coNP> davidB21: feature, I guess
[03:16] <Hobbsee> davidB21: feature
[03:16] <davidB21> ok fine
[03:16] <davidB21> no bug report to fill :-)
[03:17] <Hobbsee> !libata
[03:17] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about libata - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[03:17] <Hobbsee> !uuid | davidB21
[03:17] <ubotu> davidB21: To see a list of your devices/partitions and their corresponding UUID's, run this command in a !shell:  blkid  (see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LibAtaForAtaDisks for the rationale behind the transition to UUID)
[03:17] <Hobbsee> it's to do with ^
[03:18] <TerraMaster> My usb drive isnt automounting
[03:19] <MrKeuner> hi, will there be better free driver for ati M300(I think it is a X300) in gutsy?
[03:19] <avis> is the dvd playback in gusty fixed from ubuntu where it wont lag frames ?
[03:20] <soc> hi
[03:20] <soc> can someone tell the reason why mono was included on the ubuntu installation cd?
[03:20] <avis> that would be compared to fesity.  in feisty dvd playback would skip.  i tried the workarounds and could not resolve it.  wondering if i might have been experience in gutsy
[03:21] <davidB21> thanks Hobbsee
[03:21] <coNP> soc: f-spot and tomboy depends on that
[03:21] <soc> a year ago, it was brand new, many people had high expectations
[03:21] <soc> but now?
[03:21] <coNP> soc: f-spot and tomboy still depends on that :D
[03:21] <soc> 60 mb of libraries for a little note taking program?
[03:21] <soc> i know that they depend on them
[03:22] <soc> but it's a big waste of important resources
[03:22] <coNP> Might be a problem for others, though...
[03:22] <soc> imagine the things you could include on the ubuntu cd if you had 60 mb more space
[03:23] <hylje> you got dvds for just that
[03:23] <soc> exactly
[03:23] <hylje> but it fits on a cd just fine so why bother :p
[03:23] <Pici> soc: I'm sure the devs know this.
[03:23] <soc> i don't think those people in dev countries have more important needs than wasing 60 mb for a note taking application ....
[03:23] <Pici> soc: coNP said that fspot also depends on it.
[03:24] <soc> ok, does that make a big difference?
[03:24] <Pici> And I personally think that including a photo/picture manager in the install/livecd is important.
[03:24] <soc> there is so much choice without wasting 60 mb ...
[03:49] <newtokubuntu> does the kubuntu Tribe 5 have compiz fusion enabled?
[03:49] <Hobbsee> no
[03:49] <newtokubuntu> will the release have it?
[03:50] <Hobbsee> no
[03:50] <davmor2> I think it will be missed out for now because kde4 I believe have their own built in version (could be wrong don't flame me)
[03:51] <Hobbsee> you can install compiz-kde to try it out, though
[03:51] <Pici> Hobbsee: is compiz-by-default out for everything? or just kubuntu?
[03:52] <Tomcat_> ubuntu tribe-5 has it on by default.
[03:52] <Hobbsee> Pici: it's in ubuntu, and edubuntu
[03:52] <Hobbsee> (currently)
[03:52] <Pici> (understood)
[03:53] <newtokubuntu> Am i able to try kde4?
[03:53] <Pici> newtokubuntu: I believe kde4-base is in the gutsy repos.  But I'm not a KDE guy (I'm actually installing kubuntu-desktop now to do some playing around)
[03:53] <Hobbsee> newtokubuntu: yes, install kdeb4base
[03:53] <Hobbsee> newtokubuntu: it's only the beta 1, though
[03:55] <davmor2> newtokubuntu: there is a load of work to do before it is fully functional so I would recommend it if you need you system to work
[03:55] <newtokubuntu> not recommend more like?
[03:55] <davmor2> yes sorry
[03:56] <Pici> I reccommend it if you dont want your system to work.
[03:57] <newtokubuntu> :)
[03:57] <davmor2> :P so I missed out one little word :)
[04:06] <Dusk_> i want to upgrade from feisty to gutsy?? is there a proper document for this?
[04:06] <SeveredCross> Not really--sudo update-manager -d
[04:07] <SeveredCross> That should get you to the latest development release, which is Gutsy Tribe 5.
[04:08] <Dusk_> SeveredCross, ok let me open the terminal
[04:08] <SeveredCross> I've gotta leave, but you should have no trouble--there aren't any broken packages as of now that I can see, everything works generally fine.
[04:09] <Dusk_> SeveredCross,
[04:09] <nixternal> anyone with a Realtek RTL-8139* noticing connection issues with any of the latest updates in the past day or so?
[04:09] <Dusk_> SeveredCross, sudo warning: could not initiate dbus
[04:09] <Dusk_> current dist not found in meta-release file
[04:09] <SeveredCross> Weird.
[04:10] <SeveredCross> Dusk_: Does it proceed or does it fail?
[04:10] <Dusk_> SeveredCross, there are some updates on the update manager..i should do them immedietly
[04:10] <SeveredCross> How many?
[04:10] <Dusk_> 7
[04:10] <Dusk_> about kde things
[04:10] <Dusk_> not the gutsy
[04:10] <SeveredCross> Okay, not enough then. Hmm.
[04:11] <SeveredCross> I wonder why update-manager -d didn't work.
[04:11] <Dusk_> i will try after the updates
[04:11] <SeveredCross> You can always do it the brute force way and do sudo sed -i /etc/apt/sources.list -e 's/feisty/gutsy/g'
[04:11] <Dusk_> could not send the dbus Inhibit signal: org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.NoReply: Did not receive a reply. Possible causes include: the remote application did not send a reply, the message bus security policy blocked the reply, the reply timeout expired, or the network connection was broken.
[04:11] <SeveredCross> Then run sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[04:11] <SeveredCross> Weird...
[04:12] <Dusk_> what the h*ck is going on this distro?
[04:12] <SeveredCross> I've really gotta head out, but like I said, if update-manager fails, you can do it the brute force way and replace all the feisty occurences in sources.list with gutsy.
[04:12] <SeveredCross> Then apt-get update and apt-get dist-upgrade should get you there.
[04:12] <Dusk_> SeveredCross, ok..
[04:12] <Dusk_> SeveredCross, see you around
[04:12] <SeveredCross> See ya.
[04:13] <tripitaka> I've just installed 7.0.4 and upgraded to gutsy on a compaq 8510w with a nvidia quadro 570m, I can boot to runleve 3 ok but when I start X, I get a big black screen. Is there an easy fix?
[04:13] <MrKeuner> hi, is there a benchmarking suite that i could stress the hardware with?
[04:13] <MrKeuner> I get freezes every now and then
[04:18] <testgusty> hello all
[04:19] <Pici> hello
[04:19] <testgusty> how would one run emerald themes? as there is no beryl-manager or the likes to find...in gusty herd5
[04:20] <Pici> testgusty: I think you need to install emerald and the emerald-theme-manager first.
[04:20] <Dusk_> 373mb update is availabe...i think i've done right??
[04:21] <Pici> Sounds good.
[04:21] <davmor2> testgusty: beryl is no more they merged beryl and compiz into compiz-fusion.
[04:21] <Dusk_> Pici, is there a major problem with gutsy?
[04:21] <testgusty> yes i know, running compiz-fusion right now
[04:22] <testgusty> but, there is also an option to install emerald on gutsy, but you cant use the themes, as it
[04:22] <Pici> Dusk_: your mileage may vary.
[04:22] <testgusty> goes to gtk theme
[04:22] <Dusk_> Pici, i have ati card and i'm afraid lol
[04:22] <testgusty> cube effects ,etc works ok, just the emerald themes cant be run...
[04:22] <Pici> Dusk_: as do I.
[04:23] <Dusk_> Pici, model??
[04:23] <Pici> Dusk_: x1400
[04:23] <Dusk_> Pici, 9600xt
[04:44] <jzl_> Hello.. looking for some assistance. I just upgraded 7.10 alpha5 on a test machine. Everything went great except it seems that beryl will not show a menu & title bar. I've searched everywhere that I know to look for support, but nothing seems to be working for me. This worked fine on a raw 7.04 build.
[04:45] <fsckr> if i cat /proc/cpuinfo in terminal I should see both cores correct?  if im not mistake just the other day i think there was a kernel update for gutsy and I updated im wondering if that has anything to do with this
[05:01] <bwakkie> Hi I have problems getting my headset to work
[05:01] <bwakkie> [dell latitude d620] 
[05:02] <bwakkie> any tips where to look?
[05:09] <fsckr> anyone alive in here
[05:09] <coNP> !ask | fsckr
[05:09] <ubotu> fsckr: Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[05:09] <fsckr> umm i did long time ago LOL
[05:09] <poorenglish_> no, only deads
[05:10] <fsckr> gutsy had an update the other day for kernels i believe.  I am not missing dual core support
[05:10] <Utnubu> hi all
[05:10] <fsckr> hello
[05:10] <Utnubu> Does anyone got a working displayconfig-gtk?
[05:11] <Utnubu> With intel hardware?
[05:11] <fsckr> can't help you there Utnubu
[05:11] <fsckr> sorry
[05:11] <fsckr> seems nobody likes to answer anyway
[05:11] <fsckr> LOL
[05:11] <Pici> fsckr: you are not missing dual core support or you are missing it?
[05:11] <Utnubu> fsckr: thanks
[05:11] <fsckr> i am missing it Pici
[05:12] <fsckr> only showing 1 core
[05:12] <fsckr> and I do not have the option in grub to go back
[05:16] <fsckr> has anyone in here recently updated gutsy that had dual core processors, but now has lost support for them?
[05:16] <Utnubu> and my intel sound card front connector doesn't work anymore under Gutsy
[05:16] <Utnubu> at least it seems so
[05:17] <fsckr> :(
[05:18] <Utnubu> fsckr: How you know that Gutsy lost support?
[05:18] <fsckr> the other day I could see both cores
[05:18] <fsckr> today I see one
[05:18] <Utnubu> Which kernel is installed?
[05:19] <fsckr> 2.6.22-10-386
[05:19] <fsckr> should be 686
[05:19] <fsckr> :(
[05:19] <Utnubu> no, should be generic
[05:19] <fsckr> my fault for not paying attention on updates
[05:19] <Utnubu> just install it
[05:19] <Utnubu> no real problem I guess
[05:20] <Utnubu> sudo apt-get install linux-generic
[05:20] <Pici> fsckr: I think for a very short time one of the dependencies for one of the kernel packages was 386 instead of generic.
[05:20] <Utnubu> and uninstall the 386
[05:20] <fsckr> so I should uninstall 386 first then install generic?
[05:20] <Utnubu> no, install generic
[05:20] <Utnubu> boot generic
[05:20] <Utnubu> and then uninstall
[05:20] <fsckr> oik
[05:21] <fsckr> which version is the generic?
[05:21] <Utnubu> just linux-generic
[05:21] <Utnubu> installs the latest
[05:21] <fsckr> oh ok
[05:21] <fsckr> it says its installed according to synaptic
[05:22] <Utnubu> 386 Kernels have ahigher priority in grub
[05:22] <fsckr> so if its installed what do i do now
[05:22] <Utnubu> choose generic in grub and after boot remove the 386 kernels
[05:22] <fsckr> i have no options during boot
[05:22] <Utnubu> press esc
[05:22] <Utnubu> you have two seconds :)
[05:22] <Utnubu> after Bios
[05:23] <fsckr> ok brb and thx
[05:25] <fsckr> ty sir
[05:26] <Utnubu> Does it work?
[05:26] <fsckr> yes sir
[05:26] <Utnubu> then remove 386
[05:27] <fsckr> in process of doing that now
[05:27] <Utnubu> :)
[05:27] <Utnubu> Anyone has a external screen with an Centrino laptop?
[05:28] <Utnubu> Of course an intel graphic card.
[05:28] <fsckr> sorry can't help you there either :_
[05:28] <fsckr> im all amd and nvidia
[05:29] <fsckr> do you by any chance recommend a website I can go to to tweak what startsup in gutsy?  I am sure I dont need half the stuff that starts
[05:29] <Utnubu> That is the best way to break your system
[05:30] <fsckr> if you dont know what youa re doing :)
[05:30] <Utnubu> And I guess your processor is fast and you have enought ram
[05:30] <fsckr> but I have a backup :P
[05:30] <MrKeuner> hi, is there a benchmarking suite that i could stress the hardware with?
[05:30] <Utnubu> fsckr: System - Administration - Services
[05:30] <fsckr> MrKeuner, http://lbs.sourceforge.net/
[05:31] <fsckr> yea but I have to know what they are Utnubu :P
[05:32] <fsckr> besides Utnubu i was more or less referring to init.d
[05:34] <Chadwick|359> So, couple of font issues. I'm one of the people affected by the 'Huge fonts after nVidia drivers' people, and when I launch amaroK, the fonts for menus and labels make my brain hurt. those aren't part of the amarok config, instead, they are KDE controlled. Where the heck are the font settings for KDE defaults hiding?
[05:35] <Chadwick|359> Also, everything in xchat looks fine except for the channel window itself, which, once again, has huge fonts.
[05:35] <Pici> Chadwick|359: kcontrol controls KDE font settings.
[05:36] <Chadwick|359> Pici, Yeah, I was hoping to find a fix that didn't involve installing kcontrol, I was hoping somebody knew where the config file was so I could just edit it.
[05:36] <Utnubu> Chadwick|359: It is a resolution/dpi problem
[05:37] <Utnubu> Chadwick|359: The easiest way is to change dpi but don't ask me how :)
[05:37] <Pici> dpi settings: system>preferences>apperance>fonts then theres a little button that I always forget the name of
[05:38] <Chadwick|359> Well, now I feel silly, I've always just set my font size down.
[05:42] <Do``> where can i find a changelog for libgtkmm-2.4-1c2a?
[05:42] <Do``> i've been having some problems related to gtk and i wanna see if this fixes them before i go start testing them
[05:44] <Hobbsee> Do``: aptitude changelog gtkmm2.4
[05:44] <Hobbsee> Do``: (gtkmm2.4 is the source package of  libgtkmm-2.4-1c2a)
[05:47] <c00i90wn> while fixing my gnome yesterday I entered failsafe gnome several times, and I noticed that folder icons showed there a item count in blue, how can I enable that on the default session?
[05:50] <Do``> Hobbsee: thank you
[05:50] <Do``> :/ it didnt fix the freezes :(
[05:56] <MrKeuner> hi, is there a benchmarking suite that i could stress the hardware with?
[05:59] <jgm> Hi just tried to install tribe5 (i386 desktop) from the CD and it failed on setting up grub, is there some way of doing this manually rather than through the installer?
[05:59] <jgm> (I tried grub-install --root-directory=/target /dev/sda but that didn't work...)
[06:06] <Utnubu> anyone who has problems with front connector of intel centrino sound cards?
[06:07] <Pici> There is an issue with intel_hda cards in the current kernel revision.
[06:07] <Utnubu>  So there is a bug report?
[06:07] <Pici> Utnubu: Many.
[06:07] <Utnubu> ok
[06:08] <Utnubu> If I change resolution on the fly with gnome tools I got a black screen whcih shows only the mouse. This has something to do with compiz. Is this intel specific too or on every system?
[06:09] <Utnubu> Btw the compiz shortcuts seems to have changed since Feisty.
[06:09] <Utnubu> Where can I get a list?
[06:20] <jzl_> how to do I access the new GUI for dual screens?  I have a test box that I just setup to mess with it...
[06:21] <jzl_> Do I just plug in the second monitor?
[06:22] <coNP> jzl_: you might mean displayconfig-gtk
[06:23] <Utnubu> jzl_: open temrinal and start "sudo displayconfig-gtk"
[06:23] <Utnubu> jzl_: I am very interested if it works for you :)
[06:24] <jzl_> ok.. its a ATI 9600 Pro... so i will let you know..
[06:24] <coNP> system / administration / screens & graphics
[06:24] <Utnubu> coNP: Why this doesn't replace screen resolution preferences?
[06:31] <auTONYmous> I'd love to know why the default kernels don't reboot correctly on my system.
[06:31] <auTONYmous> everything shuts down cleanly, screen blanks, system beeps twice, but then nothing...
[06:47] <osmosis> anyone know if this will be resolved in gutsy?  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/42532
[06:47] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 42532 in ubiquity "MASTER: "New partition size" UI is confusing" [Medium,Confirmed] 
[07:08] <Chadwick|359> I'm baaaaack. Anybody know of a good way to run a possibly system killing script in a virtual environment without actually bothering to run a full virtual OS?
[07:09] <jzl__> coNP: I am having no luck with the displayconfig-gtk
[07:09] <Arwen> Chadwick|359, chroot
[07:10] <Arwen> mind you, it's not a whole lot easier than running a full on VM
[07:10] <jzl__> coNP: and I think I have one of the more simpler set ups.   ATI 9600 pro (vga, dvi) with 2 exact monitors.... dell e173fp on each..
[07:11] <coNP> jzl_: sorry I am not an expert of this topic.
[07:11] <finalbeta> Where do I find that firefox plugin installer from tribe 5?
[07:11] <jzl__> no prob.. just following up with you on it...
[07:11] <Pici> finalbeta: its in the regular firefox addons window.
[07:11] <kousotu> 5!!?!
[07:11] <kousotu> gimme a brea..
[07:11] <kousotu> break*
[07:11] <Arwen> lol
[07:11] <kousotu> lol
[07:11] <Pici> finalbeta: you need to have the ubufox package installed though.
[07:12] <kousotu> I just got tribe 4 working
[07:12] <kousotu> lol
[07:12] <Arwen> Tribe 5 consisted of 30 updates for me :-\, hooray for installing patches daily.
[07:12] <Pici> kousotu: if you do an apt-get update/dist-upgrade, you'll be on tribe 5.
[07:12] <Pici> We need a factoid for that.
[07:13] <kousotu> lol
[07:13] <Chadwick|359> Arwen, Thanks. I knew it was something I had used before, but that's what i get for trying to code on three days of being up
[07:13] <kousotu> as well as "is anyone here?"
[07:13] <Pici> Maybe I should just update !final for gutsy
[07:13] <Pici> !final
[07:13] <ubotu> If you are running a Herd/Beta version of Ubuntu 7.04 (Feisty Fawn) and have been keeping it up to date, you are already running the final release version of Feisty. To make sure, type  sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade  in a console. If you last updated few days ago, you are on the final version.
[07:14] <kousotu> how do you add spanish as a 2nd lauguage to an english install?
[07:14] <Pici> !locale
[07:14] <ubotu> To set up and configure your locales, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LocaleConf
[07:14] <Pici> That maybe?
[07:14] <kousotu> so that all the spanish suff comes out right when you type itright
[07:14] <kousotu> no
[07:14] <kousotu> just the dictionary
[07:15] <kousotu> lol
[07:15] <finalbeta> Pici: I can find the one  browser for plugins, but not this window https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GutsyGibbon/Tribe5?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=pfs2.png
[07:15] <kousotu> because if I typed "hola de todos" the whole thing is underlined in red
[07:15] <kousotu> yet, that is correct spanish
[07:15] <kousotu> lol
[07:15] <Pici> finalbeta: I didnt see that either.
[07:16] <Pici> kousotu: I dont think you can use both dictionaries at the same time. I couldnt be wrong though.
[07:16] <kousotu> lol
[07:16] <Pici> You probably need the aspell-es package (whatever the name is, I'm guessing here)
[07:16] <kousotu> I'll ask the spanish guys :)
[07:16] <kousotu> I think I can do that
[07:16] <kousotu> lol
[07:17] <jzl_> can anyone help me out with the new GUI "displayconfig-gtk"?
[07:17] <Arwen> huh, my CPU fan is running a bit too high
[07:18] <Arwen> jzl_, explain
[07:18] <kousotu> yea, al but one crummy word
[07:18] <kousotu> lol
[07:19] <jzl_> Arwen: I have an ATI 9600 pro... dual monitors (same model #s).. when I try to set up extended...it will not find the manufacturer of the "new" monitor...
[07:20] <Arwen> does it work otherwise? afaik, in mergedfb (free drivers, right?) mode, the second display is "generic".
[07:20] <jzl_> no..this is the first I have tried...
[07:20] <jzl_> never messed with the conf file... was waiting on a GUI
[07:21] <jzl_> and now.. the GUI wont even load...
[07:21] <jzl_> it errors out
[07:22] <Arwen> "it errors out". What error? The more details you give me, the more I can help you.
[07:22] <jzl_> ok.. let me go and c/p the error
[07:24] <jzl__> Arwen: PMed it to you.
[07:24] <Arwen> don't send me private messages, please
[07:24] <Arwen> they won't get to me
[07:25] <jzl__> can I copy and paste within the channel?
[07:25] <Arwen> !pastebin
[07:25] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[07:26] <jzl__> Arwen: thanks.. I get this when I run "sudo displayconfig-gtk" from the terminal - http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/34915/
[07:27] <Arwen> hmm, what that means is beyond me. I can try and get your X server back running though.
[07:28] <jzl_> its still up...
[07:28] <jzl_> as of now.. I dont think it will be after I logout tho..
[07:28] <Arwen> oh, never mind me then
[07:28] <jzl_> so, can we walk thru that ?
[07:28] <Arwen> pastebin /etc/X11/xorg.conf , I'll see if it's been foobared
[07:29] <jzl_> awesome.. going now
[07:32] <jzl_> Arwen: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/34917/ = xorg.conf
[07:33] <jzl_> Arwen: I only see 1 monitor on there...
[07:33] <Arwen> the second monitor is added on run time
[07:34] <jzl_> sorry, not following
[07:35] <Arwen> you only need a monitor entry for your primary. The driver automatically activates the second
[07:35] <jzl_> ohh, ok
[07:35] <Arwen> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/34919/ this is my setup (don't copy it, it won't work that way), yours doesn't look too different
[07:35] <Arwen> try restarting X
[07:37] <jzl_> so you are running dual (w/extended?)
[07:37] <cr1ss> hi, I 've installed emerald along with feisty's themes, and I don't really know what happened, but now, there are no window decorations, and in the bottom of my screen, there is a white line (where avant window navigator is located)
[07:38] <Arwen> jzl_, yeah
[07:38] <Arwen> that xinerama flag at the end looks a little dodgy, but it's probably harmless
[07:40] <kousotu> anyone in here speak spanish?
[07:40] <kousotu> lol
[07:40] <jzl_> Arwen: yeah.. the conf is screwed
[07:41] <Arwen> oh dear, did the gui store a backup?
[07:41] <jzl_> I have no primary and the secondary is off really bad - barely viewable
[07:41] <jzl_> not sure...looking now..
[07:41] <jzl_> it's all good.. this is a test machine... but I still have like 10 hours in it :)
[07:42] <jzl_> Arwen: looks like it might have...
[07:42] <jzl_> xorg.conf.1
[07:42] <Arwen> try copying that over xorg.conf
[07:42] <jzl_> 10-4, doing that now
[07:44] <jzl_> Arwen: ok.. back where I started from.. but I do have both monitors on and mirrored
[07:46] <rikai> Ok, i'm having an odd problem with gutsy that i just installed on a laptop.
[07:46] <Pici> okay
[07:46] <Pici> Whats up?
[07:46] <rikai> In the shutdown menu, the 'restart' and 'shut down' buttons are missing.
[07:47] <kousotu> rikai, what kind of laptop?
[07:47] <kousotu> and how old is it?
[07:47] <rikai> Everex, its brand new
[07:47] <rikai> http://www.everex.com/products/xt5000t/xt5000t.htm
[07:48] <rikai> Came with vista, installed XP and Ubuntu on it.
[07:49] <rikai> They're there on several other gutsy machines(including another laptop) and all i've done with this machine was a tribe 4 install and then update-manager, so it must be something in the config.
[07:49] <kousotu> what graphics card?
[07:50] <rikai> nividia geforce 7600 go
[07:50] <rikai> err
[07:50] <rikai> nividia geforce go 7600
[07:52] <Pici> rikai: This is in Gnome?
[07:52] <rikai> Correct.
[07:53] <rikai> I've got compiz-fusion running on it, if it makes a difference.
[07:53] <Pici> rikai: Have you tried removing and re-adding the main menu applet that has applications/places/system on it?
[07:54] <rikai> Just now, no change.
[07:54] <Pici> hmmm
[07:55] <Pici> very odd.
[07:55] <Pici> Have you checked LP to see if anyone else has had the same issue?
[07:56] <rikai> LP?
[07:56] <rikai> oh, launchpad
[07:57] <rikai> i looked around a bit, didnt see much.
[07:59] <rikai> oh, the commands are gone in GDM as well, perhaps theres something odd with GDM?
[08:00] <Pici> Thats not good.
[08:00] <rikai> aha, i fixed it.
[08:01] <rikai> for some reason, "Show Actions menu" on the "local" tab of System -> Administration -> Login Window was unchecked.
[08:02] <rikai> for future reference, in case anyone else has that problem.
[08:05] <Pici> rikai: Did that fix the shutdown/restart/logoff being missing from the gnome-menu
[08:05] <rikai> Pici, yep, fixexd it for the menu, the shutdown applet and gdm.
[08:06] <Pici> rikai: I think you hould log a bug for that.
[08:06] <Pici> should*
[08:22] <JDahl> anyone managed to get acroread working?
[08:23] <coNP> An illustration why proprietary software is bad
[08:23] <coNP> You cannot compile yourself a new version fit to the new libraries
[08:24] <squee> After this last kernel upgrade, my sound is a bit screwy, it doesn't detect when I have headphones plugged in anymore
[08:25] <squee> Is there anything I can do to fix this?  Or is anybody else experiencing it?
[08:30] <Pici> squee: If you have intel_hda, the issue is known.
[08:31] <AnRkey> hi all
[08:31] <squee> Pici: Yep I do.
[08:32] <AnRkey> i am trying to do a  sudo update-manager -d to upgrade to gutsy on my wifes laptop and it finds nothing to upgrade to
[08:38] <squee> AnRkey:  I always have manually changed the repositories (I usually have to sort through 3rd party's manually anyway).  Doing the upgrade that way might require that gutsy be finished before it will allow you to upgrade.
[08:40] <AnRkey> i tried it manually like that at work and it gave me trouble on a test machine so i don't wanna do that on her laptop
[08:40] <AnRkey> and not in the mood to reinstall if it 3$%$'s up
[08:50] <AnRkey> is there anything else i can do to get fiesty to see the gutsy upgrade?
[08:51] <TheInfinity> AnRkey: console.
[08:51] <TheInfinity> if you dont know how to dist upgrade in console you should not install  gutsy
[08:52] <AnRkey> TheInfinity, do i sound like that much of a noob?
[08:53] <TheInfinity> i just say it because many people think "alpha software. wow. exciting"
[08:55] <AnRkey> TheInfinity, I do think wow and I do feel it's exciting but I am upgrading to contribute so do you know why feisty won't see the update?
[08:56] <TheInfinity> just make a correct sources.list and dist-upgrade your system :)
[08:56] <rikai> AnRkey,  i believe the update manager problem is a known bug.
[08:57] <TheInfinity> hmm ... never used the gui version of dist-upgrade for alpha versions of ubuntu - had too much errors ...
[08:57] <rikai> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/update-manager/+bug/120957
[08:57] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 120957 in update-manager "UpdateManager fails to fetch dist-upgrade tarball" [High,Fix released] 
[08:59] <rikai> AnRkey, enable the feisty-uppdates respository and get the update for update-manager if you really want to update via update-manager. :)
[08:59] <rikai> after that point, "update-manager -c -d" should work fine.
[09:00] <TheInfinity> but dont wonder about several errors - i never got a graphical dist upgrade in an alpha version of ubuntu to an end without helping in console ;)
[09:01] <AnRkey> rikai, could i be that silly, lets see...
[09:01] <vDub> hey guys, can someone tell me how to edit the /etc/apt/sources.list as root? I forgot how to do it. X-P
[09:02] <coNP> gksu gedit /etc/apt/sources.list
[09:02] <vDub> thanks
[09:14] <finalbeta> When Feisty was at tribe 4 I think, I reported a bug that Ubuntu no longer booted on my dell. I just upgraded this machine to tribe 5 and it freezes up after about a minute. The previous bug was about a dell and was completely ignored. I'm guessing I shouldn't bother reporting this one as the only information I have is it freezes.
[09:15] <hylje> you do have information on the hardware of yours, no?
[09:17] <finalbeta> I'm looking for the button in the device manager that offered an id with all the information. I guess It no longer exists, or I dreamed it.
[09:18] <AnRkey> rikai, nope, can't figure out why this laptop is the only one that won't upgrade to gutsy
[09:19] <AnRkey> i even reinstalled update-manager too and nothing
[09:20] <finalbeta> I hardly know what hardware this is, other then the sound chip and an Radeon 9800 XT. It's a Medion PC PIV3HGz
[09:23] <rikai> AnRkey, you updated update manager from feisty-updates?
[09:24] <AnRkey> rikai, its the correct version, yes
[09:25] <cargohold> Would you like this and an advanced mode [x]  setting  in gsambad ? http://mange.dynalias.org/linux/gsambad/devel/gsambad_access_permissions.png
[09:25] <cargohold> Makes for unlimited user and group access permissions per share
[09:26] <cargohold> Almost ready btwe
[09:26] <rikai> finalbeta, whats the model number?
[09:27] <cargohold> Omgteh-volvo-847 ? :=)
[09:27] <AnRkey> rickai will an upgrade from the tribe 5 iso work?
[09:28] <rikai> AnRkey, sudo sed -e 's/\sfeisty/ gutsy/g' -i /etc/apt/sources.list
[09:28] <rikai> AnRkey, sudo apt-get update
[09:28] <rikai> AnRkey, sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[09:28] <rikai> run those three commands and it should update just fine.
[09:29] <finalbeta> rikai: Medion MD8083
[09:29] <tehk> Anyone having an issue with right clicking? None of the sub menus in my right click menu do anything
[09:29] <rikai> finalbeta, desktop?
[09:29] <cargohold> http://mange.dynalias.org/linux/misc/sed_words.sh
[09:29] <tehk> like 'create empty document' and scripts
[09:30] <finalbeta> rikai: Yes , It's a dekstop
[09:30] <rikai> and what country are you in?
[09:30] <finalbeta> Belgium
[09:31] <kousotu> what's the main language there?
[09:31] <kousotu> I forget lol
[09:31] <finalbeta> Dutch/French
[09:31] <rikai> Dutch.
[09:31] <rikai> heh
[09:31] <kousotu> ah..
[09:31] <kousotu> k
[09:31] <kousotu> thx
[09:32] <rikai> finalbeta, http://www.medion.com/be/ should be able to get the pc info off there somewhere
[09:33] <AnRkey> rikai, have you tried that from feisty to tribe 5 yourself?
[09:33] <rikai> AnRkey, no, i updated using the commands i gave above
[09:33] <AnRkey> i did a replace of feisty with gutsy at work
[09:33] <cargohold> Lol
[09:33] <AnRkey> rikai, screw it lets do it :D
[09:33] <AnRkey> bbl
[09:33] <rikai> lol
[09:34] <cargohold> one at a time i hope :P
[09:34] <finalbeta> rikai: I doubt that. Medion uses stock hardware changes the specs a little and gives it a new name. If you need information, I needs to be pulled from the system.
[09:35] <rikai> finalbeta, thats medion's site, why wouldnt they give the specs of their models? :/
[09:35] <finalbeta> Just like this ATI 9800 XXT << XXT doesn't exist anywhere else, means It's got 200Mhz more or someting
[09:36] <cargohold> Hello all! If im a developer using C and gtk+ only.. is this a good place for me to be for some reason ?
[09:36] <AnRkey> rikai, it's running now, thanks
[09:36] <voidmage> would it be safe to run wine.budgetdedicated.com's feisty packages because wine isn't being packaged anymore for gusty?
[09:36] <coNP> cargohold: do you want to help?
[09:36] <cargohold> Or would i require a more advanced channel :P
[09:37] <coNP> cargohold: depends on what do you want to do
[09:37] <cargohold> coNP: no, i need to know what programs and features you need
[09:37] <rikai> AnRkey, np.
[09:37] <rikai> finalbeta, lspci tends to give a lot of hardware info. ;)
[09:37] <cargohold> coNP: i code www.gadmintools.org
[09:37] <cargohold> for now
[09:37] <coNP> cargohold: people on #ubuntu-devel might tell you what we need
[09:37] <cargohold> ok, thanks mate!
[09:38] <coNP> cargohold: in fact we are in a feature freeze state. So maybe mostly bugfixes :)
[09:39] <cargohold> coNP: im have a near complete awesome update... Itll come from Debian as usual
[09:39] <cargohold> Makes its use infinite: http://mange.dynalias.org/linux/gsambad/devel/gsambad_access_permissions.png
[09:40] <rikai> nework sharing in mixed networks needs to be as simple as it is on the mac side ;)
[09:40] <cargohold> I need input like "OMG, do this instead etc"
[09:40] <cargohold> rikai: im adding in "advanced mode [x] " in the settings
[09:40] <cargohold> good ?
[09:40] <cargohold> or bad..
[09:42] <cargohold> Ive been with GNU/Linux since 1997-98, learned coding both C and GTK+ in 1999 i think
[09:43] <cargohold> On the Stallman side (damn good tune that hackers:)
[09:44] <cargohold> Hmm, was hoping anyone would say anything to help progress. Oh well
[09:44] <rikai> cargohold, what i mean is, i should be able to share a folder with just a few clicks and no messing with samba configs and a windows or mac user should be able to browse it with no additional work.
[09:45] <rikai> i dont believe that falls in the scope of your program though.
[09:45] <cargohold> Not type in any password or authenticate in any way ?
[09:45] <rikai> correct
[09:46] <rikai> Windows <-> Windows can do it, Windows <-> Mac can do it. why not Linux <-> *
[09:46] <cargohold> Lets have a look at this scenario: "0. One server, many users": Any user can share anything on the system including /etc ?
[09:46] <rikai> ?
[09:47] <cargohold> "1. Only one user on a box".. then its ok
[09:47] <cargohold> see the evils that ccome with it ?
[09:47] <cargohold> c?
[09:47] <rikai> cargohold, no, thats silly. they should have to be in a certain group to share anything outside of their home folder.
[09:48] <rikai> Sound good?
[09:48] <coNP> cargohold: implement some click-click application to integrate computers into a windows domain
[09:48] <cargohold> I have one question, do you like the security windows has shown us for far too long ?
[09:49] <cargohold> coNP: very soon
[09:49] <coNP> cargohold: I am serious. It is needed very much
[09:49] <rikai> cargohold, thats why you put security measures in place. Is there any reason a user shouldn't be able to share folders in their home directory with minimal effort?
[09:50] <cargohold> watch the screenshot.. its not far away, i just need to get fast inputs from skilled people
[09:50] <cargohold> rikai: in their own home directory, yes...
[09:52] <rikai> cargohold, thats excatly what i'm saying, they should be able to one or two click share anything inside their home directory with minimal hassle.
[09:52] <cargohold> rikai: Youll see that any network where sharing has limitations will have drawbacks. Its not possible to expand any server to accomodate an endless amount of an endless amount of requests
[09:53] <rikai> cargohold, not sure i'm following?
[09:53] <cargohold> rikai: then youre discarding anyone not just having one box with one user on it, right ?
[09:53] <cargohold> All aspects are vital
[09:53] <rikai> cargohold, no. Why cant that setup work in a multi-user enviroment?
[09:55] <cargohold> All you can do then is "Do you want to share this directory in your own username" y/n ... sure its no problem using include files but why code that ?
[09:56] <cargohold> Seems ratsy
[09:56] <rikai> cargohold, because it makes networking simpler? What i'm referring to is the fact that if you say... share a folder currently
[09:57] <rikai> and someone on another computer running, say, windows, tries to browse your shared folder. By default, they're prompted to enter login info.
[09:57] <rikai> That doesnt make sense to me, it was explicitly shared, why cant they just browse it?
[09:57] <cargohold> rikai: no it doesnt, if samba isnt set up right in the first place, IE: [global]  config theres nothing you can do about it as a user
[09:57] <Arwen> Are there plans to have SELinux enabled by default at some point in the future?
[09:58] <cargohold> Windows always tries to connect with guest/guest even wo you knowing it (evil)
[09:58] <rikai> cargohold, i'm saying samba should be set up in a way that allows this by default, as this is the NORMAL expected action on a network.
[09:58] <rikai> cargohold, macs use samba and do it, why not ubuntu?
[09:58] <cargohold> rikai: No, thatd be totally insecure
[09:59] <cargohold> What is this channel ive landed in :P
[09:59] <rikai> How is it insecure?
[09:59] <rikai> I dont understand that at all.
[10:00] <cargohold> rikai: I code for any os out there but m$. If macosx does it.. then coders should look at it some more
[10:00] <avis> cargohold, yes but he i asking how is it insecure not if you code
[10:00] <rikai> Which coders? mac coders or linux coders
[10:00] <rikai> ?
[10:01] <Arwen> or... Windows coders even
[10:01] <cargohold> rikai: what are the limitations of sharing from macosx ?
[10:02] <cargohold> rikai, Arwen, you have about +50000 applications due to oss.. rhythmbox for example ;)
[10:02] <Arwen> and just as many non-OSS ones (I have rhythmbox btw)
[10:02] <Arwen> I hate*
[10:03] <cargohold> I like Apple and help them
[10:03] <cargohold> dont like it rhythmbox ?
[10:03] <Arwen> Rhythmbox looks too much like iTunes, which sucks epically.
[10:03] <cargohold> radio can halt at times (i hate that)
[10:04] <cargohold> Lol, then you like what ?
[10:04] <finalbeta> stopping people from easily sharing folder because they would share the wrong things is silly an pointless. They will symlink / or somthing so it's all shared at once. The correct way it to offer them more choice, let them use another user/pass to share. that way the login doesn't go across the network.
[10:05] <cargohold> Arwen: Dont tell me its Sun because theyre good :=)
[10:05] <Arwen> cargohold, mpg123 + ogg123 is more than enough for me, thanks
[10:05] <cargohold> Arwen: What os do you like ?
[10:05] <Arwen> I don't care. I don't run an OS to run an OS. I run an OS to run applications.
[10:06] <cargohold> I code on fedora and debian at present but have used alot of dists
[10:06] <cargohold> Arwen: Liar.. Cmon!
[10:06] <rikai> cargohold, you're saying absolute security is better than functionality. however, if you dont offer the functionality, people will disable the security completely to GET said functionality.
[10:07] <rikai> Why not have a folder in each ubuntu install, /home/shared or something, that you can put files into, and users on windows and OS X can browse without having to enter a password?
[10:08] <cargohold> rikai: Absolute security or no security at all, yes. Flip it around and say "I dont want any security so ill settle for wintendoh security" ?
[10:08] <Arwen> being functional is far more important than being secure
[10:08] <cargohold> Moron :=)
[10:08] <Arwen> If I can't do anything, then I wouldn't even care if I got cracked.
[10:08] <rikai> Is it possible to disable symlinks in certain directories?
[10:08] <finalbeta> cargohold: you are so wrong
[10:08] <Arwen> since it's not like I'm losing any functionality after the attack
[10:08] <coNP> !CoC | cargohold
[10:08] <ubotu> cargohold: The Ubuntu Code of Conduct to which we ask all Ubuntu users to adhere can be found at http://www.ubuntu.com/community/conduct/
[10:08] <finalbeta> it's not done because of security. it's just done wrong
[10:09] <cargohold> Arwen: You cant make it good in a secure fashion so you let all users become admins ?
[10:09] <Arwen> I'm not sure what you're going on about, and therefore I can't address your seemingly random arguments.
[10:09] <rikai> cargohold, who said anything about making users admins?
[10:09] <cargohold> CITICS
[10:09] <finalbeta> if they cared anything about security, the default shared folder wouldn't be the home folder at a whole.
[10:09] <Arwen> Don't make new arguments please.
[10:10] <kousotu> any way to make a spanish dictionary work a the same time as the english one?
[10:10] <cargohold> Check this \\Arwen\c$ .. all i need now is a password :=)
[10:10] <Arwen> Administrative shares can be disabled
[10:11] <Arwen> and they're pretty useful if used right.
[10:11] <cargohold> How fast could i get one :=)
[10:11] <cargohold> How ?
[10:11] <rikai> cargohold, what is your argument against having a single publically accessible shared folder usable by all users?
[10:12] <skinnypuppy1334> Is Compizfusion installed and active on boot cd of tribe4?
[10:12] <finalbeta> the point is not how windows does things wrong anyway/
[10:12] <cargohold> \\Arwin\print$ spooler prints a crazy picture of Arwin in Japan :=)
[10:12] <cargohold> Or, why not all over japan/Lol
[10:12] <Arwen> skinnypuppy1334, not sure. I'd hope not.
[10:12] <rikai> cargohold, i'm not talking about disabling passwords for all sharing, i'm talking about a single folder that doesnt require a password, not a whole directory tree.
[10:12] <Arwen> yeah, like sharing /shared
[10:12] <Arwen> not sharing /
[10:12] <rikai> if you can disable symlinking in that folder, i don't see any real possible security hole.
[10:13] <cargohold> rikai: you seem to like an insecure model. why is that ?
[10:13] <Arwen> cargohold, hint: ad hominem attacks are not very useful.
[10:13] <rikai> cargohold, answer my question please, how is that insecure?
[10:13] <cargohold> You can share anything yould like given enough time ?
[10:14] <rikai> cargohold, elaborare?
[10:14] <cargohold> rikai: what system do you use atm ?
[10:14] <rikai> Ubuntu.
[10:15] <Arwen> cargohold, "you can share anything you like given enough time"? What does that mean?
[10:15] <cargohold> Ok, so.. you have an Ubuntu server with alot of users on samba...
[10:15] <rikai> cargohold, that applies to anything. You can figure out the root password given enough time.
[10:15] <avis> i think that means he might be a admin that cannot trust the users with the rights/permissions they have -- i dont know though
[10:16] <rikai> i have an ubuntu destop that cant share files easily, and therefore doesn't have samba set up at all, is what i have.
[10:16] <cargohold> Arwen: Share '/' or /root ? (I dont find that anywhere near good)
[10:16] <Arwen> I suppose if you had only 1 shared folder and numerous users with r/w, that would be a problem.
[10:16] <Arwen> But that's not the situation I think rikai is talking about.
[10:16] <Arwen> cargohold, wha?
[10:16] <avis> how can you share / or /root if the only directory shared is /sharedfolder with disabled symlinking ?
[10:17] <cargohold> Arwen: how old are you if i may ask ?
[10:17] <Arwen> !ops
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[10:17] <avis> cargohold, Arwens age is not the issue.  the issue is you fail to explain how the given example is insecure
[10:18] <Amaranth> Arwen: ?
[10:18] <Arwen> I'm getting tired of the ad hominem attacks
[10:18] <cargohold> Arwen: No, because you need to have seen the insecurities otherwise id be yelling at you all night in vein :=)
[10:18] <coNP> Okay. I guess it is not an attack for sure. You can easily answer you want tell your age.
[10:18] <coNP> No need to shout without a real reason.
[10:18] <coNP> IMHO
[10:19] <coNP> Sorry. s/you want/you do not want/
[10:19] <cargohold> My name is Magnus, im 31 years old and live in Sweden
[10:19] <avis> Arwen's age hasn't been seen to be of any relevance to the conversation bearing fruit
[10:19] <Amaranth> Age is not really important
[10:19] <cargohold> It is
[10:20] <Amaranth> Doesn't mean anything
[10:20] <cargohold> Dont know the history and youll not be getting the futurama :=)
[10:20] <Arwen> Bah, Futurama sucks :-\
[10:20] <Amaranth> blasphemy
[10:20] <coNP> !off
[10:20] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about off - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[10:20] <cargohold> Ok, i liked that :P!
[10:21] <cargohold> Arwen: theres alot of politics surrounding anything highprised such as software (I hate that but its how it is)
[10:21] <avis> cargohold, to save face all you have to do is defend yourself but when it comes to the situation at hand instead of this "i'm superior to you because" you cannot explain why the given example is insecure except by rational of conceptual horror
[10:22] <cargohold> avis: Reiterate the question then plz
[10:22] <Amaranth> !offtopic
[10:22] <ubotu> #ubuntu is the Ubuntu support channel, #ubuntu+1 supports the development version of Ubuntu and #ubuntu-offtopic is for random chatter. Welcome!
[10:23] <cargohold> Im ok with tossing it too
[10:23] <cargohold> avis: do you have further inputs ?
[10:23] <avis> offtopic
[10:23] <Arwen> coNP, bah, no girls on the internets remember? :-)
[10:24] <rikai> Amaranth, he asked for wamted features. this is a feature i wanted and the discussion is related to the feature, how is it offtopic? Sounds like the development process to me. :P
[10:24] <cargohold> Arwen: Thats just crazy! :=)
[10:24] <cargohold> We want more but qualified wimens
[10:24] <Amaranth> rikai: Talking about age and sex is offtopic
[10:24] <rikai> oh, alright. :)
[10:25] <coNP> Formulated again: Arwen, you've meant _you_ don't understand the conversation?
[10:25] <Arwen> rikai never did that, afaik
[10:25] <cargohold> Amaranth: You sexxi thang :P
[10:25] <Arwen> coNP, no, I understood the individual sentences, but I've still let to find what the topic is, other than "do you like insecure software?"
[10:25] <coNP> Arwen: sure
[10:26] <Amaranth> cargohold: Last warning
[10:26] <PriceChild> This channel is for discussion on the development version of Ubuntu, currently Ubuntu 7.10 - The Gutsy Gibbon. Offtopic chatter in #ubuntu-offtopic please and follow the !guidelines at all times.
[10:26] <cargohold> Amaranth: then youll kick me and loose all the love :=)
[10:27] <avis> i tried to install a gnome login screen and selected the .tar.gz in gutsy and the theme in question would not appear in the list of selections
[10:27] <cargohold> .deb ?
[10:27] <PriceChild> avis, "selected the .tar.gz" ? where, how?
[10:28] <Amaranth> no, themes are .tar.gz
[10:28] <avis> in the gnome login manager
[10:28] <Amaranth> it's just an XML file and some images
[10:28] <avis> it just wouldn't appear.  could not select it.  going through the process again only reaffirmed that it was already installed (but not showing up)
[10:28] <cargohold> Amaranth: everything else is a .deb but not some themes ?
[10:29] <cargohold> Would it be neat to have them as debs ?
[10:29] <Amaranth> cargohold: he didn't get it from the repo
[10:30] <cargohold> Ah, ok.. suspected they where trolling from the windblows (They sure as hell dont know anything about oss)
[10:30] <Arwen> you can make chanserv deop you?
[10:31] <coNP> Arwen: I guess you can only deop yourself.
[10:31] <Arwen> well of course, I just wasn't aware of that function on FreeNode
[10:33] <Amaranth> Arwen: i can make it op/deop anyone
[10:33] <cargohold> So, whoos going out partying tonight ?
[10:33] <Amaranth> see? :)
[10:33] <Arwen> Amaranth, interesting, what's the syntax?
[10:33] <Arwen> this sounds like a good function
[10:33] <Amaranth> you don't have access :)
[10:33] <Arwen> I suppose it could be used on any channel?
[10:33] <Arwen> :-)
[10:33] <Amaranth> if you have access
[10:33] <Amaranth> /cs op #channel nick
[10:34] <Amaranth> /cs op #channel -nick
[10:34] <Arwen> ah, -
[10:34] <Arwen> on some other irc servers, it was /cs op/deop
[10:35] <cargohold> fecker :=)
[10:36] <cargohold> Twmten!
[10:39] <cargohold> Ikarus!
[10:41] <cargohold> You will learn... you..will..learn... :=)
[10:42] <cargohold> Map has changed, m$ monopoly is rotting (Thank teh gowds)
[10:43] <cargohold> When they refused to give us any updates even though they got so thurougly craxxored alot of people became angry
[10:45] <cargohold> Some put you_are_gay.txt on their computers, we shall see if they can keep winteldoz secure for a whole year / omg,lol
[11:17] <_Shade_> hi there
[11:17] <_Shade_> i just upgraded my system to gutsy release but I have the same old kdm look though
[11:18] <_Shade_> how to get rid of this and get the new one?
[11:18] <Ahrgvn> _Shade_: I hope someone fixes that rotten look for you sir
[11:21] <_Shade_> Ahrgvn: it's not so important - the best is gutsy works pretty fast for me, but it could be nice to have it's default look as well
[11:22] <cargohold> _Shade_: Nice shit
[11:22] <cargohold> _Shade_: Load something like clearlooks and itll look right
[11:23] <_Shade_> cargohold: isn't that a gnome stuff?
[11:23] <cargohold> No, its just a theme
[11:23] <Pici> _Shade_: gdm and probably kdm keep the same themes you were using before you upgraded.
[11:24] <cargohold> Trolltech's QT is rotten to the core though
[11:24] <cargohold> Ripped off TK and made crap out of it :=) / Use GTK+
[11:25] <Arwen> bah, QT rules
[11:25] <cargohold> QT is rotten, if you look into it youll know
[11:26] <_Shade_> Pici: the point is i have purged kdm and then reinstalled it
[11:26] <cargohold> Atleast if youre like me, only wanting things to progress and let everyone have a say in it
[11:26] <cargohold> We should be well beyond where we are atm... thats m$ fault
[11:28] <cargohold> I bet they have been laughing their asses off and wondering why TV and other things where so successful in subduing everyone on the planet
[11:29] <cargohold> HD*content will do the same thing on computer monitors
[11:30] <cargohold> So, watching shit too much really makes you stupid.. Oh yeah.
[11:30] <PriceChild> !ohmy | cargohold
[11:30] <ubotu> cargohold: Please watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.
[11:31] <Ahrgvn> ubotu: Fuck off bot
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[11:32] <PriceChild> lets find out who that was...
[11:35] <mirashii> Are their certain configuration changes we need to make for the new nvidia drivers in the nvidia-glx-new package?
[11:59] <Vivisector> Hi everyone.  I'm running tribe4 and just installed the latest updates.  It seems to have broken my sound, and I am unable to build the latest alsa.  I'm using a macbook pro core 2 duo 2.33ghz.  Has anyone else encountered this issue?
[12:01] <gnomefreak> Vivisector: kernel issue its known and bugs have been reported
[12:01] <Vivisector> ok
[12:02] <AnRkey> rikai, the upgrade worked prefectly, thanks
[12:02] <rikai> AnRkey, no problem. :)
[12:03] <kelsa|martalli> It's nice to see upgrades coming where it really matters (planetpenguin race got updated =)
[12:04] <AnRkey> rikai, i had a look at my notes about the earlier machine that i had problems with and it turns out i never did a dist upgrade i only did an upgrade and thats what broke the system
[12:04] <rikai> AnRkey, heh
[12:04] <rikai> yeah, thats definitely a bad thing to do :)
[12:05] <AnRkey> i was in a rush as i did not have allot of time at work
[12:05] <AnRkey> i feel quite dumb now :D
[12:07] <kelsa|martalli> I must have missed osmething, because I am surprised that doing only an upgrade would break a machine
[12:09] <pvandewyngaerde> can i change the keyboard layout for kdm ?
[12:12] <pvandewyngaerde> i type dvorak, except for login screen
[12:16] <profoX`> Was startup-manager (grub editor) planned for Gutsy? I remember reading about it, but I can't find it in the blueprints or in the ubuntu.com/testing pages.. Or am I wrong?
[12:22] <Pici> profoX`: I remember seeing it on one of the Planet Ubuntu feeds. I'm not sure if its going to be in Gutsy
[12:23] <profoX`> Pici: well it probably was the planet I read it on then.. it will probably not make it into gutsy then
[12:31] <JDahl> I am not able to change the frequency of my laptop CPU with the cpufreq-* tools.   The frequency remains fixed at 800MHz - does anyone have similar experiences or a suggestion of how to fix it?
[12:56] <pwnguin> anyone filed a bug about ipw3945 not working?
[01:07] <fsckr> what does the dbus-daemon do?  I have like 20 or so instances running.  I know its part of gnome but do I need all these?
[01:08] <pwnguin> dbus is sort of an event messaging queue for linux