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ShackJackAnyone know when tribe 5 will be hitting the repos?... No lovin' on an aptitude full-upgrade...01:23
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happytigerERROR: Could not find Intel PRO/Wireless 3945ABG Network Connection01:36
happytigerI do have restricted modules install01:36
happytigermodprobe ip3945 just cant seem the the wirelss card anymore?01:37
happytigerdmesg gives ...[   42.320000]  bridge-eth1: peer interface eth1 not found, will wait for it to come up01:39
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Arwenick, apparmor breaks my printer01:50
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Arwengah! X11 display corruption! evil!02:02
AnRkeythis apparmor makes me nervous, secure is nice but I wanna do loads of tests before I use it on my servers02:03
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RAOFAnRkey, Arwen: File bugs, that's why apparmour is turned on now; so you can find what breaks and tell us :)02:12
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AnRkeyRAOF, i plan to do just that, I have 5 test machines at work.02:20
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RAOFArwen: Excellent!02:23
RAOFWhoops.  s/Arwen/AnRkey/02:23
c00i90wnI'm having a little problem I just upgraded to gutsy and now I can't login to my OS, GTK+ is complaining about it running under setuid setgid02:24
AnRkeyArwen, just smile and wave :)02:26
AnRkeyRAOF, you work on apparmour?02:27
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RAOFAnRkey: No, not at all.  I just know that we've got it enabled so that people can knock the edges off it :)02:31
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AnRkeywhen suse started with apparmour it broke allot of my servers at work02:32
AnRkeyso thats why i say it makes me nervous02:32
AnRkeyi will make sure to "knock the edges" right off :D02:32
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AnRkeyour box's are hit allot by script kiddies and my denyhosts daemon works overtime to block them02:33
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AnRkeyif we get apparmour running nicely it will make my boss and me happier02:33
RAOFIf it breaks too much stuff it won't be enabled on release.  Ideally, however, it'll be fixed so we can enable it.02:33
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jpwhitinghi all, I've got a semi-broken gutsy install, and I'd like to switch back to the latest feisty kernel and nvidia-glx-new versions02:46
jpwhitingis this possible?02:46
Arweneh, yes. Kind of,.02:47
Arwenyou could download the feisty debs and install them, or you could add feisty repositories and then set them to have a very low pin priority.02:47
jpwhitingI come from gentoo a year or so ago and could build my own kernel if needed02:47
Arwenor you could build your own kernel (probably the best answer here)02:47
jpwhitingnot sure I can build a kernel with initrd etc, like production ubuntu kernels though...02:48
jpwhitingwith gentoo I'd build monolithic ones and get the stuff in I need on like the 3rd or 4th try ;-)02:49
jpwhitingwhich is fine with me, just wonder if it will get in ubuntu's way when gutsy is released...02:50
jpwhitingI've never had much luck mixing production kernels with my own built ones...02:50
jpwhitingbipolar: is that you?02:50
jpwhitingArwen: how hard is it to use the feisty repos with lower pin?02:51
Arwennot that hard, but it's messy and not a good long-term solution02:52
Arwenpinning is explained somewhere in the debian manual02:52
jpwhitingk, thx, I'll try that I think, as this should just be until gutsy is released I hope02:53
jpwhitingbipolar: ping02:53
happytigerIs ipw3945 broken??? with latest kernel ??02:54
bipolarjpwhiting: yo02:55
jpwhitingbipolar: haven't seen you in ages02:55
jpwhiting(you don't come to #kde4-devel much anymore... )02:55
c00i90wnI'm having a little problem I just upgraded to gutsy and now I can't login to my OS, GTK+ is complaining about it running setuid or setgid (from the .xsession-errors )02:55
bipolarjpwhiting: busy as a one armed paper hanger02:55
jpwhiting(hope I don't get flamed for mentioning the "other" desktop in a ubuntu channel)02:56
c00i90wnwhat can I do to fix it?02:56
bipolarjpwhiting: i'm about 80% into a complete replacement of our I.T. infrastructure02:56
jpwhitingah, nice02:56
c00i90wnI get a blueish screen and just the mouse02:56
jpwhitingyeah, that explains it02:56
bipolarjpwhiting: which include all linux workstations :)02:56
bipolarrunning windows in vmware for 'legacy apps'02:57
bipolarwe'll be windows free in a year02:57
bipolarI've been working 16+ hour shifts for almost a week now.02:57
bipolarI'm the only guy here :\02:58
c00i90wncan anyone please help me? :S02:58
jpwhitingbipolar: at a school? or where?02:59
jpwhitingthat stinks I was an I.T. department before02:59
jpwhitingfor a small company02:59
jpwhiting<15 employees02:59
bipolar16 workstations, plus home workers03:00
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bipolarabout 40 employees03:00
jpwhitingwhat kind of company is it?03:01
bipolarburg, fire, etc03:01
bipolarso the servers are mission critical, and must be fully redundant and up 24/703:03
jpwhitingraid and all that jazz then?03:03
DanaGHow about VMs with failover, and such?03:04
bipolarjpwhiting: more then that.03:04
jpwhitingwell, yeah03:05
bipolar2 servers, redundant power and raid. then  drbd to mirror between them.03:05
bipolarand heartbeat to failover services automaticly03:05
bipolarups and generator03:05
bipolareven hot swap redundant fans03:06
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khoaany idea why i'm getting no SSL library found when trying to use pidgin under gutsy03:07
khoai'm trying: "sudo apt-get install libnss-dev libnspr-dev" to fix this but both of these packages are not in the gutsy repository?03:07
jpwhitingbipolar: crazy cool03:08
jpwhitinganyway, nice to see ya again, it's bath time though, so I'll be away for a bit03:09
khoafurthermore, and kinda as another question, after updating tribe4->tribe4 today, by gnome version is still showing 2.19.6 is this correct?03:09
bipolarjpwhiting: :)03:13
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klickhey all, can anyone tell me how to choose which services like apache pureftpd ircdd start at boot?  I see services under system settings but it seems that only controls the current status not the boot status03:14
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phil_pitrying to upgrade from feisty to gutsy tribe 5, "update-manager -d" finds 0 updates.  do i need to add gutsy repositories to the sources list?  i recall doing that to upgrade breezy to dapper and dapper to feisty.03:26
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ysth1phil_pi: maybe you need -c and -d both03:27
phil_pitried that, still nothing03:28
phil_piall it checks is the standard feisty repositories03:28
ysth1I remember trying 2 or 3 different things before getting it to work, but that was quite a while ago03:29
ysth1maybe --dist-upgrade too?03:30
phil_pihmm, will try that and browse the man page03:31
phil_piok, that found packages suggested by ubuntu-desktop which isn't installed (17 new like bittorrent, evolution, etc.)03:32
PiciYou need the latest version of the update-manager on feisty to upgrade to gutsy.03:35
phil_piyup, got it03:35
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phil_pii read somewhere that updates appear first for high priority customers03:35
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phil_pimight have been an interview with mark shuttleworth03:36
ysth1phil_pi: when you're on gutsy, you'll be getting plenty of updates, plenty often :)03:37
phil_piwas on feisty tribe 403:37
phil_piseems like feisty updates slowed to a trickle when development of gutsy got serious03:38
Toma-phil_pi: you can enable proposed updates03:39
phil_piToma-: you mean the feisty-proposed checkbox in update manager?03:40
phil_pitried that and got 10 updates to things like cdrecord03:41
Toma-or backports if you want new versions of things03:41
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phil_piyeah, now i'm up to the bleeding edge of feisty ;)03:41
phil_pibackports ... hmm03:41
jkimball4Is it possible to use Beryl or Compiz themes through appearances preferences?03:43
Kousotuanyone got any ideas on how I could disablemy touchpad without affecting my mouse?03:43
phil_piif all else fails i could do a fresh install from cd03:43
ysth1phil_pi: no matter what switches you use, you don't get an option to upgrade distributions?03:45
fignewKousotu: I know how to do it under KDE :/03:47
Kousotuknow how to doi it fromthe core?03:47
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fignewKousotu: do an apt-get search for synaptics03:48
fignewyou'll find what you're looking for there03:48
Kousotuit gives an error03:48
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fignewwhat gives an error?03:50
phil_piysth1: right, i don't get the option to upgrade to a new distribution03:50
ysth1phil_pi: is it possible you overlooked it for one of the variations of parameter?03:52
phil_pisudo update-manager -c -d --dist-upgrade03:53
ysth1g*d, python is ugly03:54
phil_pimaybe i'll burn a copy of the gutsy install cd and add it to the repositories with the "add cd" button03:54
phil_pithat might kick it into gear03:54
c00i90wnwow fixed it by changing /etc/timezone03:56
c00i90wnto Europe/Berlin03:56
c00i90wnnow dist-upgrade continued03:57
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phil_piysth1: might learn python soon03:59
ysth1phil_pi: are you running it with the flags and selecting Check?03:59
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phil_pinuthin happens04:00
ysth1try with -p too?04:00
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phil_pi-p ?  no man page available04:00
phil_pi--help lists a bunch of switches04:01
phil_pi-p --preprocessor string    string indicates which preprocessors to run04:01
ysth1update-manager --help04:02
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phil_pithere are no upgrades available for your system04:03
Pici"If you upgrade from feisty, please make sure that you have update-manager 0.59.23 from feisty-updates installed. Then run "update-manager -d".04:04
PiciThats what the Tribe5 wiki page says04:04
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phil_pidoesn't find the update04:04
phil_piverified the version, tried all the flags04:05
phil_piwill try adding the install cd to the list of sources04:05
PiciI'd just go through the sources.list at this point.04:05
phil_pisources.list is all feisty stuff04:06
phil_pishould i just change them to gutsy?04:06
PiciI think thats better than adding the CD04:06
phil_pinot sure what the correct path in the apt line should be for gutsy04:07
Kousotuanyone got any ideas on how I could disablemy touchpad without affecting my mouse?04:10
phil_piKousotu:  the usual way to configure touchpad is to edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf but I think there's a GUI gonfiguration tool you can install, available since feisty04:11
Kousotuthey don't work04:12
KousotuI tried them04:12
Kousotualogwith xorc04:12
Piciphil_pi: This is my sources.list http://pastebin.com/f56c0dc0104:12
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PiciI guess it could be consolidated a little bit, but it works04:13
phil_pigreat, that looks similar to a list posted on a forum thread04:13
phil_pii'll add the lines for gutsy and leave feisty in there as well (for a first try)04:13
ysth1phil_pi: sounds egdy :)04:14
ysth1err, edgy04:14
AnRkeyto upgrade to gutsy on my machine the wiki page for tribe 5 (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GutsyGibbon/Tribe5?action=edit) says to run update-manager -d04:16
AnRkeyit finds nothing to update04:16
AnRkeyi ran a sudo update-manager and it then finds it04:17
AnRkeygonna edit it04:17
phil_piactually the lines for gutsy are the same as feisty, so i'll just replace the one word04:18
ysth1I think sudo is assumed.  phil_pi: were you sudoed?04:18
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phil_pii sudo for admin tasks04:19
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vDubcan someone help me upgrade Ubuntu from 7.04 to the latest test version of 7.10?04:20
vDubthe page doesn't offer much help. I tried to run the command update-manager -d like it said, but all it did was open the update manager and tell me my system was up-to-date04:21
ArwenI can try04:21
Arwenok, that one I never figured out what to do about04:21
phil_pivDub:  working on that issue myself04:21
phil_pino luck yet04:21
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phil_pii just manually edited sources.list to change feisty to gutsy, about to try it04:22
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Arwen*shudder*, have fun04:22
jpwhiting2ok, I got nvidia kernel module and sound working with kernel from when I was on feisty04:22
phil_pistill says up to date04:22
jpwhiting2but X dies saying it can't load the nvidia kernel module... :(04:23
jpwhiting2though the nvidia kernel module is definitely loaded, lsmod shows it04:23
jpwhiting2do I need to somehow downgrade my X also... :(04:23
vDubI'll probably just remove 7.04 and install the test version of 7.10 instead. :-P04:24
phil_pisomething's happening ...04:25
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pwnguini think i broke my wireless with today's kernel update =(04:25
vDubphil_pi - it work?04:25
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phil_piit said it's up to date, but then i clicked the "check" button and it's downloading a new list of packages04:26
phil_pitaking a few minutes04:26
vDubphil_pi - if it works, let me know what all you did so I can repeat it. :-)04:26
phil_pi586 updates available04:27
ysth1phil_pi: up to date just means up to date as of last check04:27
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phil_pinot all updates can be installed, it's recommending to run a partial upgrade04:27
phil_pihere goes nothing .......04:28
vDubI managed to get something..04:28
vDubwasn't what I was hoping for04:28
pwnguindoes ubuntu support ppc still?04:28
ubotuPowerPC.  Formerly used by Apple for the Macintosh line of computers. Variants are now used in popular gaming consoles. PPC was a fully supported Ubuntu architecture up to and including edgy. It is now a community port, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PowerPCFAQ04:29
pwnguinwe just handed out like 20 feisty cds at an activity fair, and we had a couple questions about ppc04:29
phil_pivDub, here's what did it.  edited /etc/apt/sources.list, replaced all feisty with gutsy, run the update-manager -c -d ... click on "check" button in GUI, it finds 586 updates04:30
vDubcool, thanks04:30
phil_piabout to try the partial upgrade & see what breaks :)04:30
phil_picaveat emptor04:30
ysth1"a community port" means *not* "fully supported"?04:30
vDubI gotta wait for these two updates to finish downloading and installing and then I'll go ahead and try that04:31
Arwenysth1, yes04:31
phil_piit'sthe motherlode04:31
ysth1too bad04:31
phil_pibetter shut down apps like irc ...04:31
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ysth1won't be where there's a feisty to try on till Monday, though.04:33
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roe_anyone else notice a high load average after the recent updates?04:38
Arwennow that you mention it, yeah. My CPUs are hovering at 3-5%04:38
Arwenoh wait, that's just aMule. Never mind.04:39
roe_I am idling at 2.0 load average, and I have everything but top, and xchat closed04:39
roe_I even turned off compiz, and just running metacity04:39
Arwen(Metacity takes more CPU than Compiz :-))04:39
pwnguinquestion: networking is broke in gutsy for me, so i went back to feisty. can i chroot update gutsy?04:43
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pwnguin"connecting to us.archive.ubuntu.com...." and it never connects =(04:44
Arwenor not04:44
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RAdamsI need some help connecting my Palm Lifedrive via USB on Gusty Tribe 404:49
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jpwhitingthis worked a week ago before I applied updates04:56
jpwhitinganyone know if I can downgrade x package to previous version?04:57
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RAdamsjpwhiting: you can right click a package in synaptic and force a version05:00
jpwhitingugh, synaptic, haven't touched that thing in years05:00
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jpwhitingadept or aptitude?05:00
jpwhitingplus I have no X at the moment...05:01
jpwhitingaptitude or apt-get would be better...05:01
RAdamsjpwhiting, one moment...05:01
Jordan_U!pinning | jpwhiting05:01
ubotujpwhiting: pinning is an advanced feature that APT can use to prefer particular packages over others. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PinningHowto05:01
Jordan_Ujpwhiting, Can you connect to anything?05:02
jpwhitingI'm using another computer currently for irc, etc.05:02
jpwhitingso I can go check out pinning05:02
RAdamsJordan_U, beat me too it05:03
Jordan_Ujpwhiting, Try the Canadian mirror, the U.S. one is notoriously unreliable05:03
jpwhitingI use the us one all the time05:03
jpwhitingand have no issues lately05:03
jpwhitingif I hit anything I'll switch though05:04
Jordan_Ujpwhiting, So do I, and it stops working for me a lot, and many times people will come into #ubuntu saying apt-get no longer works, they switch to the canadian mirror and no problems05:04
Jordan_Ujpwhiting, Oh, sorry, I was confusing you with pwnguin05:06
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masqueradeWell, this was an interesting round of kernel updates.05:07
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masqueradeysth1, sounds like a good idea, it took some magic to get -10 working enough for me to even get on IRC05:09
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ysth1-10 worked just great for me, except for no sound05:13
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jdthi, I have noticed that when trying to start more than 2 firefox instances, it hangs. Does anyone else experience this?05:14
jpwhitingah, I have no idea what package to pin or anything05:14
jpwhitinganyone else experienced nvidia drivers not working on latest kernel?05:15
jdtyou can recreate what I am experiencing simply by starting 3 firefox's, Im just wondering whether I should consider filing a bug.05:15
masqueradejpwhiting, I've heard a few cases lately05:15
jpwhitingactually, maybe the nvidia driver isn't the problem, as sound also doesn't work either05:15
jdtjpwhiting: I have a NVidia Geforce Go 7700 card, not experiencing any troubles.05:15
jpwhitingjdt: k05:16
jpwhitingI have onboard ati video, and am using a 7300 GS pci-e card05:16
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jpwhitingI've had issues with this motherboard (busses, or something) before though...05:16
roe_jdt, no issues opening firefox 2,3,4 times05:17
masqueradeI personally didn't have any issues with my video, dunno if sound works yet, I had issues with networking and all kinds of other stuff at first but its been resolved05:17
jpwhitinganyway, I have it close to working by telling grub to use the old kernel05:17
vanbergecan anyone tell me - on the gutzy alpha, is there a 'simple' way to enable restricted formats?  i know with edgy they made it easier.  i think i just had to check a box or something.05:17
jpwhitingsound works, the nvidia driver loads, etc.05:17
jdtroe_: Thanks, seems like it must just be me then :)05:17
masqueradeYeah, I have no sound. :)05:17
jpwhitingbut starting x doesn't work and Xorg.0.log just says it couldn't load the nvidia kernel module05:18
roe_I am experiencing a +2.0 average load continuously, for no apparent reason05:18
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jpwhitingroe_: does top show trackerd near the top?05:18
jpwhitingI run kde, but had trackerd a nautilus file monitor using half my cpu the other day05:18
roe_my cpu is almost idle05:19
jpwhitingoh, that is weird then05:19
roe_so is my diskusage, and my ram is onlyy 27% used05:19
roe_but my load average is 2.1705:20
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jpwhitinganyone know if it's safe to downgrade back to feisty?05:27
jpwhitingi.e. replace gutsy with feisty in sources.lst, and update, dist-upgrade05:27
jpwhitingor does that not work for some reason?05:27
ysth1jpwhiting: I would expect major pain, but perhaps I'm a pessimist05:27
IdleOnejpwhiting: I dont think that would work but you could give it a shot. BACKUP first05:29
jpwhiting:) of course05:29
IdleOnelet us know how it works out05:30
jpwhitingwill do05:30
jpwhitingmight be a day or so, (lots to back up... :)05:30
jpwhitingbut if I can get this computer going again with the right drivers, etc. I'll be in heaven I think05:31
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masqueradeAnyone sorted out the sound issues on -10 yet?05:37
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roe_might be a stupid obervation, but why would you be running gutsy on a machine with "lots to backup05:38
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ysth1roe_: 1) music, 2) video, or 3) pr0n05:38
roe_ah, I forgot about 305:38
roe_everyone doesn't have a raid server for 3?05:39
roe_I mean...um, what pr0n05:39
ysth1masquerade: I heard:  TheInfinity: i know this prob from santa rosa platform, thats why i ask. and this bug is already reported, patches are out - i dont know why it is not updated until now05:40
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AhadielWhere is the GUI for configuring X?06:26
AhadielI can't find it =/06:26
Ahadiel(Tribe 5)06:26
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shirishhi all, no activity?06:47
hyljenot at all06:51
pwnguinAhadiel: i think you have to install it yourself. it's like diplayconfig-gtk or something06:52
Ahadielpwnguin, found it, and it was installed by default06:52
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johnficcawhat is the right dpi for a screen that is 1024x76806:56
johnficcamy dpi is set to 96 but the font on my window borders looks to small06:56
johnficcaand then its to big when I log out and then back in06:57
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pwnguinman h264 playback is brutal on the cpu07:01
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pwnguinit maxes out one of my cores =(07:02
nemikhas anyone gotten sound working again?07:02
Ahadielmine wasn't working, then I unmuted it in alsamixer07:03
nemikhmm mine won't modprobe correctly07:05
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daurnimatorname for next realease: http://www.thinginabag.com/images/content/ubuntu-hungry-hippo.jpg07:18
malnilionHahaha, that'd be wonderful07:19
DanaGI'm now using an older Athlon XP laptop while my Core Duo laptop is being serviced.07:21
DanaGI like some HP stuff, but somebody must've been drunk, or worse, when designing this thing.07:22
DanaGIt idles at 70 C, and upon load, it'll hit up to 87 or even 90 C.07:22
DanaGYet the fan doesn't turn on until 75.  Crazy.07:22
DanaGMy hostname: amaterasu07:22
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DanaGOops, closing buddy list closed Pidgin.07:26
DanaGBad default.07:26
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DanaGHmm, hwdb-gui freezes on 'video'.07:33
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Assidthe new compiz package update seems a bit slower.. my benchmarks just fell08:24
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contrast83Greets, everyone...08:25
contrast83Has anyone here had any success compiling Fusion from GIT on Gutsy?08:25
Assidcontrast83: c-f is part of gutsy08:26
contrast83Assid: I know, but using the packages gives me hard locks, which I never got when compiling on Feisty.08:27
contrast83I'd rather compile anyway, to be honest. More up-to-date. (Yes, I realize this isn't always necessarily a good thing. :-)08:28
RAOFcontrast83: Have you filed a bug?08:29
Assidupto date ? your still using 0.5208:29
contrast83RAOF: No, because I wasn't sure how to get any useful information when it's hard-locking like that.08:29
contrast83Assid: There's more to CF than core. ;-)08:30
RAOFcontrast83: Well, even filing a "it locks hard" bug can be useful, and developers can suggest ways to get useful info.08:30
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RAOFcontrast83: Also, hard locks sound like "I try to metacity --replace with the nvidia 100 series drivers, and it hard-locks" ;)08:31
Assidyeah.. everytime i get a crash.. i let it report.. the more bug reports they get the better the quality of the software with me08:31
RAOFAssid: That's why you're running gutsy :)08:31
Assidsometimes if im doing nothing.. i try to crash it for the sake of it08:31
Assidrather do it when im doing nothing .. thjen when im doing something productive08:31
AssidRAOF: only thing i dont like.. is some reports are huge.. last coredump was 9.6MB :(08:32
RAOFSoft!  I've submitted a 200Mb core :P08:32
Assiddude.. i have a 128kbit connection during the day08:32
contrast83RAOF: Nope, it just happens in the middle of doing hardly anything when CF is running. Nothing in particular seems to trigger it.08:33
RAOFAh.  That's what the "reduced info" thing is for :)08:33
Assiddidnt ask me this time08:33
RAOFcontrast83: Eh.  You're the first person I've heard complain about that.08:33
Assidalthough i want to report a bug report this time.. i dont knwo what to do08:33
RAOFcontrast83: Ooooh... Browsing the internet with gnash?08:33
Assidthe new update that got rolled out now.. the one with compiz seems to be mightly slow.. compiz benchmarks says  260fps.. normally i get 400 odd08:34
RAOFcontrast83: A handy hint is "Compiz + nvidia + any other opengl app = badness"08:34
contrast83RAOF: I know. I've yet to find anyone else who's experienced it, which is another part of the reason I haven't filed a report...08:34
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Assidcontrast83: then vote for that bug..08:35
RAOFAssid: Xgl.  It works around *all* of nvidias badness :)08:35
contrast83RAOF: Ermm... CF + OpenGL apps haven't given me any problems at all, really. Some may not perform quite as well with CF running, but that's it - no crashes or anything.08:35
AssidRAOF: isnt xgl slower or something?08:35
RAOFAssid: Faster, generally.08:36
Assiddifferent people give me different views :(08:36
AssidRAOF: so why isnt xgl default?08:37
RAOFAlso, you should soon be able to install my new, improved (and actually buildable) xgl package, with bonus xsession files!08:37
RAOFAssid: Because it breaks some stuff.  Also, it's never been released.08:37
RAOFAssid: And when I say "some stuff", basically what I mean is wine :(08:37
Assidnever released ? so how do you use it?08:37
contrast83*officially* released08:37
RAOFWell, we take a snapshot of git.08:37
Assidhrmm i do use wine.. quite often08:37
contrast83Assid: ATI, i assume?08:38
RAOFIt's still possible to use wine, it can just be a little more effort.08:38
Assidcontrast83: nvidia 6600GT08:38
AssidRAOF: more effort ?08:38
contrast83from my understanding, Xgl's mainly used on ati cards whose drivers don't allow for direct rendering under X08:39
RAOFAssid: "DISPLAY=:0 wine <program to run>"08:39
RAOFcontrast83: Some of that statement was correct :/08:39
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contrast83RAOF: that being?08:39
AssidRAOF: why cant it default to the current display on its own?08:39
RAOFAssid: Because the current display is actually :108:40
RAOFcontrast83: That Xgl is mainly used on ATI cards :)08:40
Assiderr.. so why 0 then ?08:40
RAOFAssid: Because Xgl is :1, and the underlying X server is :0.  So you *can* run wine on the underlying X server, bypassing Xgl.08:40
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Assidhrmm.. k08:41
Assidokay so what do i do.. im confused now08:41
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RAOFcontrast83: So, for fglrx users, Xgl provides Composite & GL_EXT_texture_from_pixmap, using only the 3d accel that fglrx provides.08:42
contrast83RAOF: i thought DRI was in there also (among Composite and GL_EXT_texture_from_pixmap)?08:43
RAOFcontrast83: For nvidia (or intel, or open-source ati, or whatever) users, Xgl provides *working* Composite & t_f_p ;)08:43
RAOFcontrast83: Nope.  Xgl requires OpenGL acceleration, and in return makes everything else work.08:43
contrast83meaning what?08:43
RAOFcontrast83: Meaning that everyone's Composite, t_f_p, and RENDER (oooh, and Xv) stuff is broken in some way.  Xgl fixes it.08:44
contrast83RAOF: is this taking into consideration the strides that have been made since xcb's implementation?08:45
RAOFcontrast83: Yes.  (open source)Ati & Intel drivers *still* suck at re-directed GL, and Xv08:47
contrast83hmm... i never noticed. :-P08:48
RAOFcontrast83: There's some highly experimental work (it requires git drm, Xorg, intel drivers, and one other thing) to make intel do re-directed GL.08:48
contrast83what's redirected gl do, exactly?08:48
contrast83in layman's terms, if possible. :-)08:48
RAOFcontrast83: Surely you've noticed that Xv just doesn't work at all under compiz with either intel or ati?08:48
contrast83don't think i ever had to use it08:49
RAOFcontrast83: So, what the Composite extension does is say "don't render to the framebuffer (in vram), render to this piece of memory instead.  I'll copy it to the framebuffer for you, later"08:49
contrast83i mostly use my desktop though, which is on nvidia, but my laptop has intel, and my previous one had ati08:49
RAOFThe frame buffer being what's displayed on the screen.08:49
RAOFcontrast83: If you'd ever tried to play a movie on your laptop with Compiz enabled, you'd notice.08:50
contrast83blue video?08:50
RAOFcontrast83: Now, neither intel nor open-source ATI drivers actually take any notice of this.  They just go "hey, the framebuffer's where its at!"08:50
RAOFcontrast83: That sounds like a fglrx problem I've heard of.  Compiz + video + intel should mean *black* video :)08:51
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contrast83nope. blue. on intel (and the older ati).08:52
Assidso xgl doesnt do 3d rendering ???08:52
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RAOFAssid: It depends on what you mean.  Programs running under Xgl *can* do 3d rendering.08:52
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RAOFThey won't get a direct rendering context, though.  But that's only a slight performance hit.08:53
RAOFUnless you're running wine, where Windows programs say "no direct rendering?  You obviously don't have 3d accel".08:53
RAOFAnd wine doesn't like Xgl for other reasons, either.08:54
RAOFBut that's bugs in wine (and stupid windows programs), not bugs in Xgl.08:54
Assidlemme see what happens to the bug report i filed on compiz08:54
contrast83RAOF: would you honestly recommend xgl to someone with an nvidia card though?08:55
RAOFcontrast83: I use it myself on an nvidia card.08:55
RAOFIt's annoying that wine sucks, but it makes (for example) suspend/resume + compiz work.08:56
contrast83proprietary driver, right?08:56
RAOFThere 'aint no free OpenGL driver (yet) :)08:56
RAOFSee point...08:57
ubotuNouveau is an experimental open-source nVidia driver, aiming for full 3d support.  Homepage at http://nouveau.freedesktop.org/ - EXPERIMENTAL packages at https://dogfood.launchpad.net/~raof/+archive08:57
Assidone sec.. im gonna try suspend08:57
contrast83Nouveau actually *does* 3d support now?08:57
RAOFcontrast83: Where "3d" == "runs glxgears" on some cards.08:58
RAOF_aiming_ for full 3d support :)08:58
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contrast83but you can't run CF under it, right?08:58
Assidstupid crap08:58
RAOFcontrast83: It doesn't do textures yet.08:58
AssidRAOF: actually the reason im running gutsy is cause of CF08:59
contrast83ironic. the reason i'm not sure i want to keep gutsy on my main desktop is cause of cf08:59
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contrast83i think i'm just gonna settle on E17 for my eye-candy needs at the moment09:06
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jscinozhey guys09:08
jscinozsince the last kernel update, my sound doesnt work, can someone walk me through getting it working?09:08
nemikjscinoz: i downloaded newest alsa snapshot driver. unzipped. did `./configure` then `make` then `make install` and it was working again09:10
jscinozwhere can i get the alsa snapshot driver?09:11
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ryan8403I'm running gutsy (kubuntu) and when playing videos/dvds the picture doesn't show up or shows up at the very bottom of the screen, any one know how to get around this?09:12
nemikjscinoz: ftp://ftp.suse.com/pub/projects/alsa/snapshot/driver09:13
jscinozcan i install it with checkinstall?09:14
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nemikjscinoz: i don't know what that is09:16
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jscinozuse instead of make install to create a deb from it09:17
jscinozand install the deb09:17
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nemiki have no idea. you can try i suppose09:17
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robhello, I was just wondering if wpasupplicant supports the rt73usb wireless driver in Gutsy, I have heard that it does.09:21
robIs this correct?09:21
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vega-is it possible to use a proxy with update-manager ?09:48
vega-where does one specify it?09:49
vega-(trying to upgrade from feisty to gutsy with update-manager -d)09:49
Jordan_Uvega-, Why do you need a proxy?09:49
coNPvega-: IMHO it should respect the gnome proxy setting. Isn't it?09:49
Jordan_Uvega-, Depending on the proxy you could use a program like socksify09:51
vega-coNP: that is set, and also Acquire::http::Proxy in apt.conf09:51
vega-doesn't work09:51
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Jordan_Uvega-, Why do you need a proxy?09:52
vega-Jordan_U: isn't that kind of obvious why i need a proxy? :) my company doesn't allow http connections out otherwise09:52
Jordan_Uvega-, What do they allow?09:53
coNPIRC I guess :D09:54
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vega-ssh out is ok :)09:55
TheInfinityvega-: ssh out means ssh to computer with irssi means irc ;)09:58
Assidcan partitions be resized?10:00
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Jordan_Uvega-, Have you tried using socksify?10:03
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jscinozHey guys, im trying to install a newer build of alsa, from a homemade deb, however i get the following error "dpkg: error processing alsa-driver_hg20070824-1_i386.deb (--install):10:44
jscinoz trying to overwrite `/lib/modules/2.6.22-10-generic/kernel/sound/ac97_bus.ko', which is also in package linux-image-2.6.22-10-generic" what can i do?10:44
Hobbseeuse dpkg -i --force-overwrite, if you're sure it'si OK to overwrite10:45
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AssidHobbsee: you check other bugs by any chance besdies bluetooth?10:51
HobbseeAssid: hm?10:52
Hobbseewhat about them?10:52
Hobbseesure, kde*, general bugs.  *shrugs*10:53
Assidhrmm k10:53
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HobbseeAssid: why?10:56
Assidjkust curious.. saw you mark my bug10:57
Assidwas like hrmm.. i know this person on irc10:57
Hobbseeheh :)10:57
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coNPSomeone on Kubuntu Gutsy with daily upgrades can confirm if Kate is working ATM?11:02
HobbseecoNP: is here11:02
coNPThanks Hobbsee.11:02
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coNPSorry. I was told it is a feisty box.11:03
HobbseecoNP: oh, kde 3.5.611:06
Hobbseeno, wait, 3.5.6 was distributed withi feisty iirc.11:06
coNPActually I was only asked by a guy on our LoCo channel. He says todays kdelibs security upgrade ruined his kate11:06
Hobbseekdelibs had a security update?11:07
coNPNot security, but https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdelibs/4:3.5.6-0ubuntu14.111:08
coNPWell, it *is* security :)11:08
Jordan_UcoNP, I ignored it but there was a known bug that showed up when I got the update11:08
Jordan_U( from apt-listbugs )11:08
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ubotuVisual truncation vulnerability in KDE Konqueror 3.5.7 allows remote attackers to spoof the URL address bar via an http URI with a large amount of whitespace in the user/password portion. (http://cve.mitre.org/cgi-bin/cvename.cgi?name=CVE-2007-4225)11:09
Hobbseei wonder why that hasnt been added to gutsy yet11:10
HobbseecoNP: well, no idea what "Ruined" means.  kate starts here, etc.11:10
Hobbseeit's not the bug i was thinking of, then.11:11
coNPOkay. I am also not sure, only has been asked.11:11
coNPBut thanks, anyway.11:11
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jscinozhey guys, since the last kernel update i lost all sound, i was instructed to install a newer alsadriver from source, which i have, however i still have no sound, and now my sound card doesnt show up with lspci, what can i do?11:13
Assidanyoe managed to synch their nokia with any app on kubuntu11:14
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Eq|workmmm, some ELO :)11:25
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AnRkeyjust tried to upgrade to tribe 5 from feisty and got this output Failed to fetch http://archive.canonical.com/ubuntu/dists/gutsy/commercial/binary-i386/Packages.gz 404 Not Found11:26
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Eq|workAnRkey : not something you need to be too worried about just now11:28
Eq|workbut atm there is no commercial archive for gutsy.11:28
AnRkeydisable it in sources.list?11:29
Eq|workor ignore it11:29
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AnRkeyit won't go on so disabling it11:30
AnRkeysupport for xmms ended?11:31
jscinozhey guys, since the last kernel update i lost all sound, i was instructed to install a newer alsadriver from source, which i have, however i still have no sound, and now my sound card doesnt show up with lspci, what can i do?11:32
Eq|workAnRkey : hm?11:38
AnRkeythe upgrade spat out a load of packages that support is ending for...11:40
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jscinozhey guys, i cant get my sound card working, as when ALSA tries to load the module, it returns "WARNING: Could not open '/lib/modules/2.6.22-10-generic/kernel/sound/snd-hwdep.ko': No such file or directory" and 3 similar messages concerning files snd-page-alloc.ko, snd-timer.ko, and snd-pcm.ko, how can i go about repairing these files?11:42
Eq|workjscinoz : sudo updatedb; locate snd-hwdep.ko11:45
jscinozand repeat for the other files?11:46
Eq|workno, paste the output11:47
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jscinozone sec eq let me dump it in pastebi11:54
Eq|workerr, the output should only have been a couple of lines at most..11:55
jscinoz5 lines11:55
jscinozeq|work http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/34867/11:55
Eq|workmore than i was expecting.11:55
vega-what's the recommended method of upgrading from feisty to gutsy on the command line?12:00
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jscinozeq? what can i do12:04
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jscinozi think i fixed it12:07
jscinozthink being the operative word12:07
jscinozall the missing files can be found in sound/core as you saw, if i linked them to sound would that work?12:08
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Eq|workjscinoz : try it. looks likely to me.12:11
Assidanyopne managed to synch their nokia phone ?12:11
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Assidit really cant be that bad to synch a cell phone12:14
jscinozEq| done, i could modprobe snd-hda-intel with no problems, but i still have no sound, the volume bar shows its set to 0 and muted, but i cant unmute or increase volume12:21
jscinozbe right back12:21
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jscinozNo luck EQ12:26
jscinozthe volume is now set to full and unmuted, but no sound can be heard12:26
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jscinozEQ, also if i plug headphones in all i can hear is a ticking noise.12:28
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yaccinDisks & Filesystems doesnt work in kcontrol/systemsettings :(12:39
Hobbseeyaccin: known, i think12:39
leperkhanzHow do I solve this:error: C compiler cannot create executables12:41
leperkhanzOr can somebody add this to the repos: http://vsr.informatik.tu-chemnitz.de/~jan/noteedit/noteedit.html12:41
leperkhanzThis is going to be HUGE for other musicians.12:41
TheInfinityleperkhanz: this is no repos12:42
TheInfinityand ask in ubuntu-devel12:42
TheInfinityor become maintainer for yourself ;)12:42
w00tleperkhanz: do you build-essential?12:43
w00t*have build-essential12:45
leperkhanzw00t?  What?12:45
leperkhanzIs that in synaptic?12:45
w00tleperkhanz: sudo apt-get install build-essential12:45
leperkhanzok, downloading...12:46
leperkhanzwait, needs /cd?  damn, that is nowhere to be found.12:46
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yaccinwow the new volume display thingy in kde is way better then the one from feisty :D12:46
w00tno idea, I just know that error is a sign that your build environment is damaged or incomplete12:46
leperkhanzcool, thanks.12:46
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leperkhanzfailed to download all of it from the repos.12:47
leperkhanzAnd I don't have a CD.  *sigh*12:48
w00tthat's ..odd12:48
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HobbseeTheInfinity: those in ubuntu-devel are usually too busy to do random new packages12:52
HobbseeSee !motu12:52
AnRkeyHi Sarah12:52
Hobbseehi AnRkey12:52
TheInfinityHobbsee: thats why the german kubuntu team has an own repos, yes ;)12:52
HobbseeTheInfinity: would be better if they collaborated and got their stuff reviewed, but yes.12:53
HobbseeTheInfinity: the REVU queue is reasonably low at the moment, as all the old packages were considered comprimised.12:53
AnRkeywhat is the /etc/login.defs file for?12:53
coNPAnRkey:  shadow password suite configuration12:54
coNPAnRkey: man login.defs12:54
TheInfinityits just a inoffical source for latest amark etc12:54
AnRkeytribe 5 wants to replace mine, that ok on a feisty to gutsy upgrade?12:54
AnRkeywhat will i lose?12:54
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Jordan_UAnRkey, I would back up the current one just in case01:07
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AnRkeygood idea01:16
AnRkeyok be back when it's done01:16
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pvandewyngaerdehow do i get the tribe 5 kdm artwork ???01:23
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robTheInfinity, I have a feisty package of it if you want (nted)01:29
robI can probably make a Gutsy package too after my update finishes01:29
robI really should get back involved in doing packages for ubuntu proper rather then random packages for myself :)01:31
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robTheInfinity, http://stoffers.id.au/ubuntu/nted_0.0.4-1ubuntu0_i386.deb01:38
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TheInfinitythanks ... but another guy looked for this pac kage ;)01:38
roboh sorry :)01:39
roboh and he left01:39
robno matter01:40
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cr1sshello, I tried installing Pulseaudio, but after realizing that I don't really need it, I uninstalled it.. however, since then, I have no sound at all ! when I go to System -> Preferences -> Sound and I press the button test, I get the error message : audiotestsrc wave=sine freq=512 ! audioconvert ! audioresample ! gconfaudiosink: Internal GStreamer error: state change failed.  Please file a bug at http://bugzilla.gnome.org/enter_bug.cgi?produ01:50
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phil_pijust installed gutsy tribe 5 and all fonts are really small01:59
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Piciphil_pi: System>Preferences>Apperance>Fonts>Details and change the DPI02:01
phil_piit shows 100.  i quess 100 would be a sane value?02:02
PiciI usually just play with it until it looks good.02:02
phil_pigreat, thanks.  80 looks good ... just like feisty :)02:03
phil_piit was 7502:03
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avisi just tried to change my login screen by instaling a .tar.gz file and it would not add it to the list of themes02:08
yaccinwhen i try to visit http://smspillaz.wordpress.com/ konqueror freezes02:09
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IdleOneyaccin: opens in firefox02:18
yaccinand i dont want it ^^02:19
yaccin+ i dont have firefox02:19
yaccinactually i have firefox, but i dont use it02:19
yaccinit was installed when i installed german language pack o.O02:19
yaccinwhich is kinda wrong02:19
yaccininstalling a new language shouldnt install new software02:19
IdleOneyaccin: see if you can reproduce the problem and file a bug02:21
IdleOneCan someone please add to the output of lsb_release -a the Tribe # being run?02:22
IdleOnesomething like Release: 7.10 ( Tribe 5 )02:23
IdleOneI know it is just decorative and non essential but I think alot of ppl would appreciate it02:23
PiciThe problem is that a Tribe is just a moment-in-time release.02:25
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PiciIdleOne: Rather, its just a snapshot of the current alpha status, the moment an update comes out after the tribe is released, its no longer tribe x anymore.02:27
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snadgewhats the main difference between 386 and generic kernels?02:33
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khermans_has anyone seen slowness in gutsy in GUI apps?02:39
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khermans_also, my firefox now exits with error code 102:39
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khermans_everything was fine with updates until a few days ago, but now it is crap!02:40
Julius-GutsyTestI've got some problems on the live cd of Gutsy and I was wondering if I have to report it or not02:40
khermans_Julius-GutsyTest: which problems?02:40
khermans_check launchpad to see if bug exists02:41
Julius-GutsyTest/bin/sh: /usr/bin/esd: not found02:41
Julius-GutsyTestthis one for example02:41
Eq|workesd has been removed from gutsy.02:42
Eq|workso whatever is spawning that has a bug02:42
Julius-GutsyTestand how can you listen to something without it ? Oo02:42
Julius-GutsyTestTotem is using it02:43
Eq|workit shouldn't be02:43
Julius-GutsyTestthat's the case. I can't hear anything from Totem02:43
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terlmannErrors were encountered while processing:02:44
terlmann tzdata02:44
terlmann :-(02:44
terlmannWhat do I do now......02:44
terlmannis there anyway around this ?02:44
Julius-GutsyTestwhat's that ?02:44
terlmannSetting up tzdata (2007f-3ubuntu1) ...02:45
terlmanndpkg: error processing tzdata (--configure):\02:45
terlmannI can't get it to go past this package, upgrading from feisty02:45
Julius-GutsyTestEq|work: do I have to report it ? maybe I can try to hear something from the laptop with mpg321 ?02:46
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Eq|workyour sound should still work fine.. try xmms or something02:47
IdleOnePici: i understand that it is just a snapshot but what else can we call the release in between snapshots? so until Tribe 6 is released it would be Tribe 5.xx so might as well just leave it at tribe 5 for the time being. it is just a decorative/descriptive way of knowing what version is being run02:48
terlmannis it recommended I bypass this package ? and if so how do I do that ?02:48
PiciIdleOne: I think it would be too hard to maintain.02:48
IdleOnePici: possibly. I'm going to see if I cant figure it out and let you know02:49
terlmannhow do I force dpkg to skip upgrading tzdata ?02:50
Eq|workIdleOne : err, it's still all gutsy alpha..02:50
PiciIdleOne: It just doesnt make sense to me.  What would be the point in maintaining a package just to update the tribe status in lsb? And what would constitute making a sub-point release change?02:51
IdleOneEq|work:  yeah I know. it is more for ego boosting then anything else in my mind. just to be able to show ppl " Look at me I'm running Ubuntu 7.10 Tribe X02:51
terlmannThere are 100 people in here. Could someone please help me upgrade my testing system to gutsy unstable ?\02:52
IdleOneterlmann: sudo update-manager -d02:52
w00tanyone have *any* idea why installing traceroute uninstalls ubuntu-desktop and a few other bits?02:52
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IdleOnew00t: ubuntu-desktop is a meta package and safely removed although recommended to have when doing upgrades02:53
w00tI know, that's why I'd really not like it to be removed02:53
w00tThe following packages will be REMOVED02:53
w00t  traceroute02:53
w00tThe following NEW packages will be installed02:53
w00t  gnome-nettool iputils-tracepath ubuntu-desktop02:53
w00tthese seem to conflict with each other - why, I have no idea02:53
IdleOnew00t: you can install it again afterwords02:53
terlmannIdleOne : I already know how to manually change the sources list and how to run sudo aptitude dist-upgrade -f -q -y02:54
hyljew00t: you get gnome-nettool iputils-tracepath and ubuntu-desktop installed, not removed02:54
w00thylje: I'm trying to reinstall them02:54
w00tthey then proceed to remove traceroute.02:54
hyljetracepath is just about equivalent traceroute02:54
w00tso is there an actual reason for this seemingly stupid dependancy shuffle?02:55
hyljeexclusive resource somewhere02:55
IdleOnetracepath and traceroot might conflict hence the reason for removing one when installing the other02:55
IdleOnehave a good day folks.02:56
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terlmannCould not install 'tzdata'02:59
terlmannThe upgrade aborts now. Please report this bug against the 'update-manager' package and include the files in /var/log/dist-upgrade/ in the bugreport.02:59
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AnRkeyjust done an upgrade to feisty03:04
AnRkeyand wow03:04
AnRkeythe fresh installs are nice but on my laptop it's just perfect03:05
AnRkeycompiz is muuuuuch better03:05
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TerraMasterHow do I mount my usb drive?03:15
hyljeit should mount automagically03:15
TerraMasterIt doesnt03:15
davidB21Hello Everyone, under Feisty fdisk see my HDD as an IDE (/dev/hda*), but under Gusty tribe 5 (live CD) fdisk see my HDD as a SATA disk (/dev/sda*), is it a bug or a feature ?03:15
coNPdavidB21: feature, I guess03:15
HobbseedavidB21: feature03:16
davidB21ok fine03:16
davidB21no bug report to fill :-)03:16
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about libata - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi03:17
Hobbsee!uuid | davidB2103:17
ubotudavidB21: To see a list of your devices/partitions and their corresponding UUID's, run this command in a !shell:  blkid  (see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LibAtaForAtaDisks for the rationale behind the transition to UUID)03:17
Hobbseeit's to do with ^03:17
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TerraMasterMy usb drive isnt automounting03:18
MrKeunerhi, will there be better free driver for ati M300(I think it is a X300) in gutsy?03:19
avisis the dvd playback in gusty fixed from ubuntu where it wont lag frames ?03:19
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soccan someone tell the reason why mono was included on the ubuntu installation cd?03:20
avisthat would be compared to fesity.  in feisty dvd playback would skip.  i tried the workarounds and could not resolve it.  wondering if i might have been experience in gutsy03:20
davidB21thanks Hobbsee03:21
coNPsoc: f-spot and tomboy depends on that03:21
soca year ago, it was brand new, many people had high expectations03:21
socbut now?03:21
coNPsoc: f-spot and tomboy still depends on that :D03:21
soc60 mb of libraries for a little note taking program?03:21
soci know that they depend on them03:21
socbut it's a big waste of important resources03:22
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coNPMight be a problem for others, though...03:22
socimagine the things you could include on the ubuntu cd if you had 60 mb more space03:22
hyljeyou got dvds for just that03:23
hyljebut it fits on a cd just fine so why bother :p03:23
Picisoc: I'm sure the devs know this.03:23
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soci don't think those people in dev countries have more important needs than wasing 60 mb for a note taking application ....03:23
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Picisoc: coNP said that fspot also depends on it.03:23
socok, does that make a big difference?03:24
PiciAnd I personally think that including a photo/picture manager in the install/livecd is important.03:24
socthere is so much choice without wasting 60 mb ...03:24
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newtokubuntudoes the kubuntu Tribe 5 have compiz fusion enabled?03:49
newtokubuntuwill the release have it?03:49
davmor2I think it will be missed out for now because kde4 I believe have their own built in version (could be wrong don't flame me)03:50
Hobbseeyou can install compiz-kde to try it out, though03:51
PiciHobbsee: is compiz-by-default out for everything? or just kubuntu?03:51
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Tomcat_ubuntu tribe-5 has it on by default.03:52
HobbseePici: it's in ubuntu, and edubuntu03:52
newtokubuntuAm i able to try kde4?03:53
Picinewtokubuntu: I believe kde4-base is in the gutsy repos.  But I'm not a KDE guy (I'm actually installing kubuntu-desktop now to do some playing around)03:53
Hobbseenewtokubuntu: yes, install kdeb4base03:53
Hobbseenewtokubuntu: it's only the beta 1, though03:53
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davmor2newtokubuntu: there is a load of work to do before it is fully functional so I would recommend it if you need you system to work03:55
newtokubuntunot recommend more like?03:55
davmor2yes sorry03:55
PiciI reccommend it if you dont want your system to work.03:56
davmor2:P so I missed out one little word :)03:57
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Dusk_i want to upgrade from feisty to gutsy?? is there a proper document for this?04:06
SeveredCrossNot really--sudo update-manager -d04:06
SeveredCrossThat should get you to the latest development release, which is Gutsy Tribe 5.04:07
Dusk_SeveredCross, ok let me open the terminal04:08
SeveredCrossI've gotta leave, but you should have no trouble--there aren't any broken packages as of now that I can see, everything works generally fine.04:08
nixternalanyone with a Realtek RTL-8139* noticing connection issues with any of the latest updates in the past day or so?04:09
Dusk_SeveredCross, sudo warning: could not initiate dbus04:09
Dusk_current dist not found in meta-release file04:09
SeveredCrossDusk_: Does it proceed or does it fail?04:10
Dusk_SeveredCross, there are some updates on the update manager..i should do them immedietly04:10
SeveredCrossHow many?04:10
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Dusk_about kde things04:10
Dusk_not the gutsy04:10
SeveredCrossOkay, not enough then. Hmm.04:10
SeveredCrossI wonder why update-manager -d didn't work.04:11
Dusk_i will try after the updates04:11
SeveredCrossYou can always do it the brute force way and do sudo sed -i /etc/apt/sources.list -e 's/feisty/gutsy/g'04:11
Dusk_could not send the dbus Inhibit signal: org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.NoReply: Did not receive a reply. Possible causes include: the remote application did not send a reply, the message bus security policy blocked the reply, the reply timeout expired, or the network connection was broken.04:11
SeveredCrossThen run sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade04:11
Dusk_what the h*ck is going on this distro?04:12
SeveredCrossI've really gotta head out, but like I said, if update-manager fails, you can do it the brute force way and replace all the feisty occurences in sources.list with gutsy.04:12
SeveredCrossThen apt-get update and apt-get dist-upgrade should get you there.04:12
Dusk_SeveredCross, ok..04:12
Dusk_SeveredCross, see you around04:12
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SeveredCrossSee ya.04:12
tripitakaI've just installed 7.0.4 and upgraded to gutsy on a compaq 8510w with a nvidia quadro 570m, I can boot to runleve 3 ok but when I start X, I get a big black screen. Is there an easy fix?04:13
MrKeunerhi, is there a benchmarking suite that i could stress the hardware with?04:13
MrKeunerI get freezes every now and then04:13
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testgustyhello all04:18
testgustyhow would one run emerald themes? as there is no beryl-manager or the likes to find...in gusty herd504:19
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Picitestgusty: I think you need to install emerald and the emerald-theme-manager first.04:20
Dusk_373mb update is availabe...i think i've done right??04:20
PiciSounds good.04:21
davmor2testgusty: beryl is no more they merged beryl and compiz into compiz-fusion.04:21
Dusk_Pici, is there a major problem with gutsy?04:21
testgustyyes i know, running compiz-fusion right now04:21
testgustybut, there is also an option to install emerald on gutsy, but you cant use the themes, as it04:22
PiciDusk_: your mileage may vary.04:22
testgustygoes to gtk theme04:22
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Dusk_Pici, i have ati card and i'm afraid lol04:22
testgustycube effects ,etc works ok, just the emerald themes cant be run...04:22
PiciDusk_: as do I.04:22
Dusk_Pici, model??04:23
PiciDusk_: x140004:23
Dusk_Pici, 9600xt04:23
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jzl_Hello.. looking for some assistance. I just upgraded 7.10 alpha5 on a test machine. Everything went great except it seems that beryl will not show a menu & title bar. I've searched everywhere that I know to look for support, but nothing seems to be working for me. This worked fine on a raw 7.04 build.04:44
fsckrif i cat /proc/cpuinfo in terminal I should see both cores correct?  if im not mistake just the other day i think there was a kernel update for gutsy and I updated im wondering if that has anything to do with this04:45
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bwakkieHi I have problems getting my headset to work05:01
bwakkie[dell latitude d620] 05:01
bwakkieany tips where to look?05:02
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fsckranyone alive in here05:09
coNP!ask | fsckr05:09
ubotufsckr: Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)05:09
fsckrumm i did long time ago LOL05:09
poorenglish_no, only deads05:09
fsckrgutsy had an update the other day for kernels i believe.  I am not missing dual core support05:10
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Utnubuhi all05:10
UtnubuDoes anyone got a working displayconfig-gtk?05:10
UtnubuWith intel hardware?05:11
fsckrcan't help you there Utnubu05:11
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fsckrseems nobody likes to answer anyway05:11
Picifsckr: you are not missing dual core support or you are missing it?05:11
Utnubufsckr: thanks05:11
fsckri am missing it Pici05:11
fsckronly showing 1 core05:12
fsckrand I do not have the option in grub to go back05:12
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fsckrhas anyone in here recently updated gutsy that had dual core processors, but now has lost support for them?05:16
Utnubuand my intel sound card front connector doesn't work anymore under Gutsy05:16
Utnubuat least it seems so05:16
Utnubufsckr: How you know that Gutsy lost support?05:18
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fsckrthe other day I could see both cores05:18
fsckrtoday I see one05:18
UtnubuWhich kernel is installed?05:18
fsckrshould be 68605:19
Utnubuno, should be generic05:19
fsckrmy fault for not paying attention on updates05:19
Utnubujust install it05:19
Utnubuno real problem I guess05:19
Utnubusudo apt-get install linux-generic05:20
Picifsckr: I think for a very short time one of the dependencies for one of the kernel packages was 386 instead of generic.05:20
Utnubuand uninstall the 38605:20
fsckrso I should uninstall 386 first then install generic?05:20
Utnubuno, install generic05:20
Utnububoot generic05:20
Utnubuand then uninstall05:20
fsckrwhich version is the generic?05:21
Utnubujust linux-generic05:21
Utnubuinstalls the latest05:21
fsckroh ok05:21
fsckrit says its installed according to synaptic05:21
Utnubu386 Kernels have ahigher priority in grub05:22
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fsckrso if its installed what do i do now05:22
Utnubuchoose generic in grub and after boot remove the 386 kernels05:22
fsckri have no options during boot05:22
Utnubupress esc05:22
Utnubuyou have two seconds :)05:22
Utnubuafter Bios05:22
fsckrok brb and thx05:23
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fsckrty sir05:25
UtnubuDoes it work?05:26
fsckryes sir05:26
Utnubuthen remove 38605:26
fsckrin process of doing that now05:27
UtnubuAnyone has a external screen with an Centrino laptop?05:27
UtnubuOf course an intel graphic card.05:28
fsckrsorry can't help you there either :_05:28
fsckrim all amd and nvidia05:28
fsckrdo you by any chance recommend a website I can go to to tweak what startsup in gutsy?  I am sure I dont need half the stuff that starts05:29
UtnubuThat is the best way to break your system05:29
fsckrif you dont know what youa re doing :)05:30
UtnubuAnd I guess your processor is fast and you have enought ram05:30
fsckrbut I have a backup :P05:30
MrKeunerhi, is there a benchmarking suite that i could stress the hardware with?05:30
Utnubufsckr: System - Administration - Services05:30
fsckrMrKeuner, http://lbs.sourceforge.net/05:30
fsckryea but I have to know what they are Utnubu :P05:31
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fsckrbesides Utnubu i was more or less referring to init.d05:32
Chadwick|359So, couple of font issues. I'm one of the people affected by the 'Huge fonts after nVidia drivers' people, and when I launch amaroK, the fonts for menus and labels make my brain hurt. those aren't part of the amarok config, instead, they are KDE controlled. Where the heck are the font settings for KDE defaults hiding?05:34
Chadwick|359Also, everything in xchat looks fine except for the channel window itself, which, once again, has huge fonts.05:35
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PiciChadwick|359: kcontrol controls KDE font settings.05:35
Chadwick|359Pici, Yeah, I was hoping to find a fix that didn't involve installing kcontrol, I was hoping somebody knew where the config file was so I could just edit it.05:36
UtnubuChadwick|359: It is a resolution/dpi problem05:36
UtnubuChadwick|359: The easiest way is to change dpi but don't ask me how :)05:37
Picidpi settings: system>preferences>apperance>fonts then theres a little button that I always forget the name of05:37
Chadwick|359Well, now I feel silly, I've always just set my font size down.05:38
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Do``where can i find a changelog for libgtkmm-2.4-1c2a?05:42
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Do``i've been having some problems related to gtk and i wanna see if this fixes them before i go start testing them05:42
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HobbseeDo``: aptitude changelog gtkmm2.405:44
HobbseeDo``: (gtkmm2.4 is the source package of  libgtkmm-2.4-1c2a)05:44
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c00i90wnwhile fixing my gnome yesterday I entered failsafe gnome several times, and I noticed that folder icons showed there a item count in blue, how can I enable that on the default session?05:47
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Do``Hobbsee: thank you05:50
Do``:/ it didnt fix the freezes :(05:50
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MrKeunerhi, is there a benchmarking suite that i could stress the hardware with?05:56
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jgmHi just tried to install tribe5 (i386 desktop) from the CD and it failed on setting up grub, is there some way of doing this manually rather than through the installer?05:59
jgm(I tried grub-install --root-directory=/target /dev/sda but that didn't work...)05:59
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Utnubuanyone who has problems with front connector of intel centrino sound cards?06:06
PiciThere is an issue with intel_hda cards in the current kernel revision.06:07
Utnubu So there is a bug report?06:07
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PiciUtnubu: Many.06:07
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UtnubuIf I change resolution on the fly with gnome tools I got a black screen whcih shows only the mouse. This has something to do with compiz. Is this intel specific too or on every system?06:08
UtnubuBtw the compiz shortcuts seems to have changed since Feisty.06:09
UtnubuWhere can I get a list?06:09
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jzl_how to do I access the new GUI for dual screens?  I have a test box that I just setup to mess with it...06:20
jzl_Do I just plug in the second monitor?06:21
coNPjzl_: you might mean displayconfig-gtk06:22
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=== jzl_ coNP: that would be it! Thanks.
Utnubujzl_: open temrinal and start "sudo displayconfig-gtk"06:23
Utnubujzl_: I am very interested if it works for you :)06:23
jzl_ok.. its a ATI 9600 Pro... so i will let you know..06:24
coNPsystem / administration / screens & graphics06:24
UtnubucoNP: Why this doesn't replace screen resolution preferences?06:24
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auTONYmousI'd love to know why the default kernels don't reboot correctly on my system.06:31
auTONYmouseverything shuts down cleanly, screen blanks, system beeps twice, but then nothing...06:31
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osmosisanyone know if this will be resolved in gutsy?  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/4253206:47
ubotuLaunchpad bug 42532 in ubiquity "MASTER: "New partition size" UI is confusing" [Medium,Confirmed] 06:47
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Chadwick|359I'm baaaaack. Anybody know of a good way to run a possibly system killing script in a virtual environment without actually bothering to run a full virtual OS?07:08
jzl__coNP: I am having no luck with the displayconfig-gtk07:09
ArwenChadwick|359, chroot07:09
Arwenmind you, it's not a whole lot easier than running a full on VM07:10
jzl__coNP: and I think I have one of the more simpler set ups.   ATI 9600 pro (vga, dvi) with 2 exact monitors.... dell e173fp on each..07:10
coNPjzl_: sorry I am not an expert of this topic.07:11
finalbetaWhere do I find that firefox plugin installer from tribe 5?07:11
jzl__no prob.. just following up with you on it...07:11
Picifinalbeta: its in the regular firefox addons window.07:11
kousotugimme a brea..07:11
Picifinalbeta: you need to have the ubufox package installed though.07:11
kousotuI just got tribe 4 working07:12
ArwenTribe 5 consisted of 30 updates for me :-\, hooray for installing patches daily.07:12
Picikousotu: if you do an apt-get update/dist-upgrade, you'll be on tribe 5.07:12
PiciWe need a factoid for that.07:12
Chadwick|359Arwen, Thanks. I knew it was something I had used before, but that's what i get for trying to code on three days of being up07:13
kousotuas well as "is anyone here?"07:13
PiciMaybe I should just update !final for gutsy07:13
ubotuIf you are running a Herd/Beta version of Ubuntu 7.04 (Feisty Fawn) and have been keeping it up to date, you are already running the final release version of Feisty. To make sure, type  sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade  in a console. If you last updated few days ago, you are on the final version.07:13
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kousotuhow do you add spanish as a 2nd lauguage to an english install?07:14
ubotuTo set up and configure your locales, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LocaleConf07:14
PiciThat maybe?07:14
kousotuso that all the spanish suff comes out right when you type itright07:14
kousotujust the dictionary07:14
finalbetaPici: I can find the one  browser for plugins, but not this window https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GutsyGibbon/Tribe5?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=pfs2.png07:15
kousotubecause if I typed "hola de todos" the whole thing is underlined in red07:15
kousotuyet, that is correct spanish07:15
Picifinalbeta: I didnt see that either.07:15
Picikousotu: I dont think you can use both dictionaries at the same time. I couldnt be wrong though.07:16
PiciYou probably need the aspell-es package (whatever the name is, I'm guessing here)07:16
kousotuI'll ask the spanish guys :)07:16
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kousotuI think I can do that07:16
jzl_can anyone help me out with the new GUI "displayconfig-gtk"?07:17
Arwenhuh, my CPU fan is running a bit too high07:17
Arwenjzl_, explain07:18
kousotuyea, al but one crummy word07:18
jzl_Arwen: I have an ATI 9600 pro... dual monitors (same model #s).. when I try to set up extended...it will not find the manufacturer of the "new" monitor...07:19
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Arwendoes it work otherwise? afaik, in mergedfb (free drivers, right?) mode, the second display is "generic".07:20
jzl_no..this is the first I have tried...07:20
jzl_never messed with the conf file... was waiting on a GUI07:20
jzl_and now.. the GUI wont even load...07:21
jzl_it errors out07:21
Arwen"it errors out". What error? The more details you give me, the more I can help you.07:22
jzl_ok.. let me go and c/p the error07:22
jzl__Arwen: PMed it to you.07:24
Arwendon't send me private messages, please07:24
Arwenthey won't get to me07:24
jzl__can I copy and paste within the channel?07:25
ubotupastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)07:25
jzl__Arwen: thanks.. I get this when I run "sudo displayconfig-gtk" from the terminal - http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/34915/07:26
Arwenhmm, what that means is beyond me. I can try and get your X server back running though.07:27
jzl_its still up...07:28
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jzl_as of now.. I dont think it will be after I logout tho..07:28
Arwenoh, never mind me then07:28
jzl_so, can we walk thru that ?07:28
Arwenpastebin /etc/X11/xorg.conf , I'll see if it's been foobared07:28
jzl_awesome.. going now07:29
jzl_Arwen: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/34917/ = xorg.conf07:32
jzl_Arwen: I only see 1 monitor on there...07:33
Arwenthe second monitor is added on run time07:33
jzl_sorry, not following07:34
Arwenyou only need a monitor entry for your primary. The driver automatically activates the second07:35
jzl_ohh, ok07:35
Arwenhttp://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/34919/ this is my setup (don't copy it, it won't work that way), yours doesn't look too different07:35
Arwentry restarting X07:35
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jzl_so you are running dual (w/extended?)07:37
cr1sshi, I 've installed emerald along with feisty's themes, and I don't really know what happened, but now, there are no window decorations, and in the bottom of my screen, there is a white line (where avant window navigator is located)07:37
Arwenjzl_, yeah07:38
Arwenthat xinerama flag at the end looks a little dodgy, but it's probably harmless07:38
kousotuanyone in here speak spanish?07:40
jzl_Arwen: yeah.. the conf is screwed07:40
Arwenoh dear, did the gui store a backup?07:41
jzl_I have no primary and the secondary is off really bad - barely viewable07:41
jzl_not sure...looking now..07:41
jzl_it's all good.. this is a test machine... but I still have like 10 hours in it :)07:41
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jzl_Arwen: looks like it might have...07:42
Arwentry copying that over xorg.conf07:42
jzl_10-4, doing that now07:42
jzl_Arwen: ok.. back where I started from.. but I do have both monitors on and mirrored07:44
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rikaiOk, i'm having an odd problem with gutsy that i just installed on a laptop.07:46
PiciWhats up?07:46
rikaiIn the shutdown menu, the 'restart' and 'shut down' buttons are missing.07:46
kousoturikai, what kind of laptop?07:47
kousotuand how old is it?07:47
rikaiEverex, its brand new07:47
rikaiCame with vista, installed XP and Ubuntu on it.07:48
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rikaiThey're there on several other gutsy machines(including another laptop) and all i've done with this machine was a tribe 4 install and then update-manager, so it must be something in the config.07:49
kousotuwhat graphics card?07:49
rikainividia geforce 7600 go07:50
rikainividia geforce go 760007:50
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Picirikai: This is in Gnome?07:52
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rikaiI've got compiz-fusion running on it, if it makes a difference.07:53
Picirikai: Have you tried removing and re-adding the main menu applet that has applications/places/system on it?07:53
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rikaiJust now, no change.07:54
Picivery odd.07:55
PiciHave you checked LP to see if anyone else has had the same issue?07:55
rikaioh, launchpad07:56
rikaii looked around a bit, didnt see much.07:57
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rikaioh, the commands are gone in GDM as well, perhaps theres something odd with GDM?07:59
PiciThats not good.08:00
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rikaiaha, i fixed it.08:00
rikaifor some reason, "Show Actions menu" on the "local" tab of System -> Administration -> Login Window was unchecked.08:01
rikaifor future reference, in case anyone else has that problem.08:02
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Picirikai: Did that fix the shutdown/restart/logoff being missing from the gnome-menu08:05
rikaiPici, yep, fixexd it for the menu, the shutdown applet and gdm.08:05
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Picirikai: I think you hould log a bug for that.08:06
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JDahlanyone managed to get acroread working?08:22
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coNPAn illustration why proprietary software is bad08:23
coNPYou cannot compile yourself a new version fit to the new libraries08:23
squeeAfter this last kernel upgrade, my sound is a bit screwy, it doesn't detect when I have headphones plugged in anymore08:24
squeeIs there anything I can do to fix this?  Or is anybody else experiencing it?08:25
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Picisquee: If you have intel_hda, the issue is known.08:30
AnRkeyhi all08:31
squeePici: Yep I do.08:31
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AnRkeyi am trying to do a  sudo update-manager -d to upgrade to gutsy on my wifes laptop and it finds nothing to upgrade to08:32
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squeeAnRkey:  I always have manually changed the repositories (I usually have to sort through 3rd party's manually anyway).  Doing the upgrade that way might require that gutsy be finished before it will allow you to upgrade.08:38
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AnRkeyi tried it manually like that at work and it gave me trouble on a test machine so i don't wanna do that on her laptop08:40
AnRkeyand not in the mood to reinstall if it 3$%$'s up08:40
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AnRkeyis there anything else i can do to get fiesty to see the gutsy upgrade?08:50
TheInfinityAnRkey: console.08:51
TheInfinityif you dont know how to dist upgrade in console you should not install  gutsy08:51
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AnRkeyTheInfinity, do i sound like that much of a noob?08:52
TheInfinityi just say it because many people think "alpha software. wow. exciting"08:53
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AnRkeyTheInfinity, I do think wow and I do feel it's exciting but I am upgrading to contribute so do you know why feisty won't see the update?08:55
TheInfinityjust make a correct sources.list and dist-upgrade your system :)08:56
rikaiAnRkey,  i believe the update manager problem is a known bug.08:56
TheInfinityhmm ... never used the gui version of dist-upgrade for alpha versions of ubuntu - had too much errors ...08:57
ubotuLaunchpad bug 120957 in update-manager "UpdateManager fails to fetch dist-upgrade tarball" [High,Fix released] 08:57
rikaiAnRkey, enable the feisty-uppdates respository and get the update for update-manager if you really want to update via update-manager. :)08:59
rikaiafter that point, "update-manager -c -d" should work fine.08:59
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TheInfinitybut dont wonder about several errors - i never got a graphical dist upgrade in an alpha version of ubuntu to an end without helping in console ;)09:00
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AnRkeyrikai, could i be that silly, lets see...09:01
vDubhey guys, can someone tell me how to edit the /etc/apt/sources.list as root? I forgot how to do it. X-P09:01
coNPgksu gedit /etc/apt/sources.list09:02
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finalbetaWhen Feisty was at tribe 4 I think, I reported a bug that Ubuntu no longer booted on my dell. I just upgraded this machine to tribe 5 and it freezes up after about a minute. The previous bug was about a dell and was completely ignored. I'm guessing I shouldn't bother reporting this one as the only information I have is it freezes.09:14
hyljeyou do have information on the hardware of yours, no?09:15
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finalbetaI'm looking for the button in the device manager that offered an id with all the information. I guess It no longer exists, or I dreamed it.09:17
AnRkeyrikai, nope, can't figure out why this laptop is the only one that won't upgrade to gutsy09:18
AnRkeyi even reinstalled update-manager too and nothing09:19
finalbetaI hardly know what hardware this is, other then the sound chip and an Radeon 9800 XT. It's a Medion PC PIV3HGz09:20
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rikaiAnRkey, you updated update manager from feisty-updates?09:23
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AnRkeyrikai, its the correct version, yes09:24
cargoholdWould you like this and an advanced mode [x]  setting  in gsambad ? http://mange.dynalias.org/linux/gsambad/devel/gsambad_access_permissions.png09:25
cargoholdMakes for unlimited user and group access permissions per share09:25
cargoholdAlmost ready btwe09:26
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rikaifinalbeta, whats the model number?09:26
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cargoholdOmgteh-volvo-847 ? :=)09:27
AnRkeyrickai will an upgrade from the tribe 5 iso work?09:27
rikaiAnRkey, sudo sed -e 's/\sfeisty/ gutsy/g' -i /etc/apt/sources.list09:28
rikaiAnRkey, sudo apt-get update09:28
rikaiAnRkey, sudo apt-get dist-upgrade09:28
rikairun those three commands and it should update just fine.09:28
finalbetarikai: Medion MD808309:29
tehkAnyone having an issue with right clicking? None of the sub menus in my right click menu do anything09:29
rikaifinalbeta, desktop?09:29
tehklike 'create empty document' and scripts09:29
finalbetarikai: Yes , It's a dekstop09:30
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rikaiand what country are you in?09:30
kousotuwhat's the main language there?09:31
kousotuI forget lol09:31
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rikaifinalbeta, http://www.medion.com/be/ should be able to get the pc info off there somewhere09:32
AnRkeyrikai, have you tried that from feisty to tribe 5 yourself?09:33
rikaiAnRkey, no, i updated using the commands i gave above09:33
AnRkeyi did a replace of feisty with gutsy at work09:33
AnRkeyrikai, screw it lets do it :D09:33
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cargoholdone at a time i hope :P09:34
finalbetarikai: I doubt that. Medion uses stock hardware changes the specs a little and gives it a new name. If you need information, I needs to be pulled from the system.09:34
rikaifinalbeta, thats medion's site, why wouldnt they give the specs of their models? :/09:35
finalbetaJust like this ATI 9800 XXT << XXT doesn't exist anywhere else, means It's got 200Mhz more or someting09:35
cargoholdHello all! If im a developer using C and gtk+ only.. is this a good place for me to be for some reason ?09:36
AnRkeyrikai, it's running now, thanks09:36
voidmagewould it be safe to run wine.budgetdedicated.com's feisty packages because wine isn't being packaged anymore for gusty?09:36
coNPcargohold: do you want to help?09:36
cargoholdOr would i require a more advanced channel :P09:36
coNPcargohold: depends on what do you want to do09:37
cargoholdcoNP: no, i need to know what programs and features you need09:37
rikaiAnRkey, np.09:37
rikaifinalbeta, lspci tends to give a lot of hardware info. ;)09:37
cargoholdcoNP: i code www.gadmintools.org09:37
cargoholdfor now09:37
coNPcargohold: people on #ubuntu-devel might tell you what we need09:37
cargoholdok, thanks mate!09:37
coNPcargohold: in fact we are in a feature freeze state. So maybe mostly bugfixes :)09:38
cargoholdcoNP: im have a near complete awesome update... Itll come from Debian as usual09:39
cargoholdMakes its use infinite: http://mange.dynalias.org/linux/gsambad/devel/gsambad_access_permissions.png09:39
rikainework sharing in mixed networks needs to be as simple as it is on the mac side ;)09:40
cargoholdI need input like "OMG, do this instead etc"09:40
cargoholdrikai: im adding in "advanced mode [x] " in the settings09:40
cargoholdgood ?09:40
cargoholdor bad..09:40
cargoholdIve been with GNU/Linux since 1997-98, learned coding both C and GTK+ in 1999 i think09:42
cargoholdOn the Stallman side (damn good tune that hackers:)09:43
cargoholdHmm, was hoping anyone would say anything to help progress. Oh well09:44
rikaicargohold, what i mean is, i should be able to share a folder with just a few clicks and no messing with samba configs and a windows or mac user should be able to browse it with no additional work.09:44
rikaii dont believe that falls in the scope of your program though.09:45
cargoholdNot type in any password or authenticate in any way ?09:45
rikaiWindows <-> Windows can do it, Windows <-> Mac can do it. why not Linux <-> *09:46
cargoholdLets have a look at this scenario: "0. One server, many users": Any user can share anything on the system including /etc ?09:46
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cargohold"1. Only one user on a box".. then its ok09:47
cargoholdsee the evils that ccome with it ?09:47
rikaicargohold, no, thats silly. they should have to be in a certain group to share anything outside of their home folder.09:47
rikaiSound good?09:48
coNPcargohold: implement some click-click application to integrate computers into a windows domain09:48
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cargoholdI have one question, do you like the security windows has shown us for far too long ?09:48
cargoholdcoNP: very soon09:49
coNPcargohold: I am serious. It is needed very much09:49
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rikaicargohold, thats why you put security measures in place. Is there any reason a user shouldn't be able to share folders in their home directory with minimal effort?09:49
cargoholdwatch the screenshot.. its not far away, i just need to get fast inputs from skilled people09:50
cargoholdrikai: in their own home directory, yes...09:50
rikaicargohold, thats excatly what i'm saying, they should be able to one or two click share anything inside their home directory with minimal hassle.09:52
cargoholdrikai: Youll see that any network where sharing has limitations will have drawbacks. Its not possible to expand any server to accomodate an endless amount of an endless amount of requests09:52
rikaicargohold, not sure i'm following?09:53
cargoholdrikai: then youre discarding anyone not just having one box with one user on it, right ?09:53
cargoholdAll aspects are vital09:53
rikaicargohold, no. Why cant that setup work in a multi-user enviroment?09:53
cargoholdAll you can do then is "Do you want to share this directory in your own username" y/n ... sure its no problem using include files but why code that ?09:55
cargoholdSeems ratsy09:56
rikaicargohold, because it makes networking simpler? What i'm referring to is the fact that if you say... share a folder currently09:56
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rikaiand someone on another computer running, say, windows, tries to browse your shared folder. By default, they're prompted to enter login info.09:57
rikaiThat doesnt make sense to me, it was explicitly shared, why cant they just browse it?09:57
cargoholdrikai: no it doesnt, if samba isnt set up right in the first place, IE: [global]  config theres nothing you can do about it as a user09:57
ArwenAre there plans to have SELinux enabled by default at some point in the future?09:57
cargoholdWindows always tries to connect with guest/guest even wo you knowing it (evil)09:58
rikaicargohold, i'm saying samba should be set up in a way that allows this by default, as this is the NORMAL expected action on a network.09:58
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rikaicargohold, macs use samba and do it, why not ubuntu?09:58
cargoholdrikai: No, thatd be totally insecure09:58
cargoholdWhat is this channel ive landed in :P09:59
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rikaiHow is it insecure?09:59
rikaiI dont understand that at all.09:59
cargoholdrikai: I code for any os out there but m$. If macosx does it.. then coders should look at it some more10:00
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aviscargohold, yes but he i asking how is it insecure not if you code10:00
rikaiWhich coders? mac coders or linux coders10:00
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Arwenor... Windows coders even10:01
cargoholdrikai: what are the limitations of sharing from macosx ?10:01
cargoholdrikai, Arwen, you have about +50000 applications due to oss.. rhythmbox for example ;)10:02
Arwenand just as many non-OSS ones (I have rhythmbox btw)10:02
ArwenI hate*10:02
cargoholdI like Apple and help them10:03
cargoholddont like it rhythmbox ?10:03
ArwenRhythmbox looks too much like iTunes, which sucks epically.10:03
cargoholdradio can halt at times (i hate that)10:03
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cargoholdLol, then you like what ?10:04
finalbetastopping people from easily sharing folder because they would share the wrong things is silly an pointless. They will symlink / or somthing so it's all shared at once. The correct way it to offer them more choice, let them use another user/pass to share. that way the login doesn't go across the network.10:04
cargoholdArwen: Dont tell me its Sun because theyre good :=)10:05
Arwencargohold, mpg123 + ogg123 is more than enough for me, thanks10:05
cargoholdArwen: What os do you like ?10:05
ArwenI don't care. I don't run an OS to run an OS. I run an OS to run applications.10:05
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cargoholdI code on fedora and debian at present but have used alot of dists10:06
cargoholdArwen: Liar.. Cmon!10:06
rikaicargohold, you're saying absolute security is better than functionality. however, if you dont offer the functionality, people will disable the security completely to GET said functionality.10:06
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rikaiWhy not have a folder in each ubuntu install, /home/shared or something, that you can put files into, and users on windows and OS X can browse without having to enter a password?10:07
cargoholdrikai: Absolute security or no security at all, yes. Flip it around and say "I dont want any security so ill settle for wintendoh security" ?10:08
Arwenbeing functional is far more important than being secure10:08
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cargoholdMoron :=)10:08
ArwenIf I can't do anything, then I wouldn't even care if I got cracked.10:08
rikaiIs it possible to disable symlinks in certain directories?10:08
finalbetacargohold: you are so wrong10:08
Arwensince it's not like I'm losing any functionality after the attack10:08
coNP!CoC | cargohold10:08
ubotucargohold: The Ubuntu Code of Conduct to which we ask all Ubuntu users to adhere can be found at http://www.ubuntu.com/community/conduct/10:08
finalbetait's not done because of security. it's just done wrong10:08
cargoholdArwen: You cant make it good in a secure fashion so you let all users become admins ?10:09
ArwenI'm not sure what you're going on about, and therefore I can't address your seemingly random arguments.10:09
rikaicargohold, who said anything about making users admins?10:09
finalbetaif they cared anything about security, the default shared folder wouldn't be the home folder at a whole.10:09
ArwenDon't make new arguments please.10:09
kousotuany way to make a spanish dictionary work a the same time as the english one?10:10
cargoholdCheck this \\Arwen\c$ .. all i need now is a password :=)10:10
ArwenAdministrative shares can be disabled10:10
Arwenand they're pretty useful if used right.10:11
cargoholdHow fast could i get one :=)10:11
cargoholdHow ?10:11
rikaicargohold, what is your argument against having a single publically accessible shared folder usable by all users?10:11
skinnypuppy1334Is Compizfusion installed and active on boot cd of tribe4?10:12
finalbetathe point is not how windows does things wrong anyway/10:12
cargohold\\Arwin\print$ spooler prints a crazy picture of Arwin in Japan :=)10:12
cargoholdOr, why not all over japan/Lol10:12
Arwenskinnypuppy1334, not sure. I'd hope not.10:12
rikaicargohold, i'm not talking about disabling passwords for all sharing, i'm talking about a single folder that doesnt require a password, not a whole directory tree.10:12
Arwenyeah, like sharing /shared10:12
Arwennot sharing /10:12
rikaiif you can disable symlinking in that folder, i don't see any real possible security hole.10:12
cargoholdrikai: you seem to like an insecure model. why is that ?10:13
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Arwencargohold, hint: ad hominem attacks are not very useful.10:13
rikaicargohold, answer my question please, how is that insecure?10:13
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cargoholdYou can share anything yould like given enough time ?10:13
rikaicargohold, elaborare?10:14
cargoholdrikai: what system do you use atm ?10:14
Arwencargohold, "you can share anything you like given enough time"? What does that mean?10:15
cargoholdOk, so.. you have an Ubuntu server with alot of users on samba...10:15
rikaicargohold, that applies to anything. You can figure out the root password given enough time.10:15
avisi think that means he might be a admin that cannot trust the users with the rights/permissions they have -- i dont know though10:15
rikaii have an ubuntu destop that cant share files easily, and therefore doesn't have samba set up at all, is what i have.10:16
cargoholdArwen: Share '/' or /root ? (I dont find that anywhere near good)10:16
ArwenI suppose if you had only 1 shared folder and numerous users with r/w, that would be a problem.10:16
ArwenBut that's not the situation I think rikai is talking about.10:16
Arwencargohold, wha?10:16
avishow can you share / or /root if the only directory shared is /sharedfolder with disabled symlinking ?10:16
cargoholdArwen: how old are you if i may ask ?10:17
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aviscargohold, Arwens age is not the issue.  the issue is you fail to explain how the given example is insecure10:17
AmaranthArwen: ?10:18
ArwenI'm getting tired of the ad hominem attacks10:18
cargoholdArwen: No, because you need to have seen the insecurities otherwise id be yelling at you all night in vein :=)10:18
coNPOkay. I guess it is not an attack for sure. You can easily answer you want tell your age.10:18
coNPNo need to shout without a real reason.10:18
coNPSorry. s/you want/you do not want/10:19
cargoholdMy name is Magnus, im 31 years old and live in Sweden10:19
avisArwen's age hasn't been seen to be of any relevance to the conversation bearing fruit10:19
AmaranthAge is not really important10:19
cargoholdIt is10:19
=== coNP does not say that it is relevant. I only say that you can tell it is not important / you do not want to tell that
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AmaranthDoesn't mean anything10:20
=== Arwen is 16 for what it matters
cargoholdDont know the history and youll not be getting the futurama :=)10:20
ArwenBah, Futurama sucks :-\10:20
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about off - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi10:20
cargoholdOk, i liked that :P!10:20
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cargoholdArwen: theres alot of politics surrounding anything highprised such as software (I hate that but its how it is)10:21
aviscargohold, to save face all you have to do is defend yourself but when it comes to the situation at hand instead of this "i'm superior to you because" you cannot explain why the given example is insecure except by rational of conceptual horror10:21
cargoholdavis: Reiterate the question then plz10:22
ubotu#ubuntu is the Ubuntu support channel, #ubuntu+1 supports the development version of Ubuntu and #ubuntu-offtopic is for random chatter. Welcome!10:22
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cargoholdIm ok with tossing it too10:23
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cargoholdavis: do you have further inputs ?10:23
ArwencoNP, bah, no girls on the internets remember? :-)10:23
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rikaiAmaranth, he asked for wamted features. this is a feature i wanted and the discussion is related to the feature, how is it offtopic? Sounds like the development process to me. :P10:24
cargoholdArwen: Thats just crazy! :=)10:24
cargoholdWe want more but qualified wimens10:24
Amaranthrikai: Talking about age and sex is offtopic10:24
rikaioh, alright. :)10:24
coNPFormulated again: Arwen, you've meant _you_ don't understand the conversation?10:25
Arwenrikai never did that, afaik10:25
cargoholdAmaranth: You sexxi thang :P10:25
ArwencoNP, no, I understood the individual sentences, but I've still let to find what the topic is, other than "do you like insecure software?"10:25
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coNPArwen: sure10:25
Amaranthcargohold: Last warning10:26
PriceChildThis channel is for discussion on the development version of Ubuntu, currently Ubuntu 7.10 - The Gutsy Gibbon. Offtopic chatter in #ubuntu-offtopic please and follow the !guidelines at all times.10:26
cargoholdAmaranth: then youll kick me and loose all the love :=)10:26
avisi tried to install a gnome login screen and selected the .tar.gz in gutsy and the theme in question would not appear in the list of selections10:27
cargohold.deb ?10:27
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PriceChildavis, "selected the .tar.gz" ? where, how?10:27
Amaranthno, themes are .tar.gz10:28
avisin the gnome login manager10:28
Amaranthit's just an XML file and some images10:28
avisit just wouldn't appear.  could not select it.  going through the process again only reaffirmed that it was already installed (but not showing up)10:28
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cargoholdAmaranth: everything else is a .deb but not some themes ?10:28
cargoholdWould it be neat to have them as debs ?10:29
Amaranthcargohold: he didn't get it from the repo10:29
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cargoholdAh, ok.. suspected they where trolling from the windblows (They sure as hell dont know anything about oss)10:30
Arwenyou can make chanserv deop you?10:30
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coNPArwen: I guess you can only deop yourself.10:31
Arwenwell of course, I just wasn't aware of that function on FreeNode10:31
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AmaranthArwen: i can make it op/deop anyone10:33
cargoholdSo, whoos going out partying tonight ?10:33
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Amaranthsee? :)10:33
ArwenAmaranth, interesting, what's the syntax?10:33
Arwenthis sounds like a good function10:33
Amaranthyou don't have access :)10:33
ArwenI suppose it could be used on any channel?10:33
Amaranthif you have access10:33
Amaranth/cs op #channel nick10:33
Amaranth/cs op #channel -nick10:34
Arwenah, -10:34
Arwenon some other irc servers, it was /cs op/deop10:34
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cargoholdfecker :=)10:35
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cargoholdYou will learn... you..will..learn... :=)10:41
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cargoholdMap has changed, m$ monopoly is rotting (Thank teh gowds)10:42
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cargoholdWhen they refused to give us any updates even though they got so thurougly craxxored alot of people became angry10:43
cargoholdSome put you_are_gay.txt on their computers, we shall see if they can keep winteldoz secure for a whole year / omg,lol10:45
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_Shade_hi there11:17
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_Shade_i just upgraded my system to gutsy release but I have the same old kdm look though11:17
_Shade_how to get rid of this and get the new one?11:18
Ahrgvn_Shade_: I hope someone fixes that rotten look for you sir11:18
_Shade_Ahrgvn: it's not so important - the best is gutsy works pretty fast for me, but it could be nice to have it's default look as well11:21
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cargohold_Shade_: Nice shit11:22
cargohold_Shade_: Load something like clearlooks and itll look right11:22
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_Shade_cargohold: isn't that a gnome stuff?11:23
cargoholdNo, its just a theme11:23
Pici_Shade_: gdm and probably kdm keep the same themes you were using before you upgraded.11:23
cargoholdTrolltech's QT is rotten to the core though11:24
cargoholdRipped off TK and made crap out of it :=) / Use GTK+11:24
Arwenbah, QT rules11:25
cargoholdQT is rotten, if you look into it youll know11:25
_Shade_Pici: the point is i have purged kdm and then reinstalled it11:26
cargoholdAtleast if youre like me, only wanting things to progress and let everyone have a say in it11:26
cargoholdWe should be well beyond where we are atm... thats m$ fault11:26
cargoholdI bet they have been laughing their asses off and wondering why TV and other things where so successful in subduing everyone on the planet11:28
cargoholdHD*content will do the same thing on computer monitors11:29
cargoholdSo, watching shit too much really makes you stupid.. Oh yeah.11:30
PriceChild!ohmy | cargohold11:30
ubotucargohold: Please watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.11:30
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Ahrgvnubotu: Fuck off bot11:31
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about fuck off bot - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi11:31
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PriceChildlets find out who that was...11:32
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mirashiiAre their certain configuration changes we need to make for the new nvidia drivers in the nvidia-glx-new package?11:35
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VivisectorHi everyone.  I'm running tribe4 and just installed the latest updates.  It seems to have broken my sound, and I am unable to build the latest alsa.  I'm using a macbook pro core 2 duo 2.33ghz.  Has anyone else encountered this issue?11:59
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gnomefreakVivisector: kernel issue its known and bugs have been reported12:01
AnRkeyrikai, the upgrade worked prefectly, thanks12:02
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rikaiAnRkey, no problem. :)12:02
kelsa|martalliIt's nice to see upgrades coming where it really matters (planetpenguin race got updated =)12:03
AnRkeyrikai, i had a look at my notes about the earlier machine that i had problems with and it turns out i never did a dist upgrade i only did an upgrade and thats what broke the system12:04
rikaiAnRkey, heh12:04
rikaiyeah, thats definitely a bad thing to do :)12:04
AnRkeyi was in a rush as i did not have allot of time at work12:05
AnRkeyi feel quite dumb now :D12:05
kelsa|martalliI must have missed osmething, because I am surprised that doing only an upgrade would break a machine12:07
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pvandewyngaerdecan i change the keyboard layout for kdm ?12:09
pvandewyngaerdei type dvorak, except for login screen12:12
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profoX`Was startup-manager (grub editor) planned for Gutsy? I remember reading about it, but I can't find it in the blueprints or in the ubuntu.com/testing pages.. Or am I wrong?12:16
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PiciprofoX`: I remember seeing it on one of the Planet Ubuntu feeds. I'm not sure if its going to be in Gutsy12:22
profoX`Pici: well it probably was the planet I read it on then.. it will probably not make it into gutsy then12:23
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JDahlI am not able to change the frequency of my laptop CPU with the cpufreq-* tools.   The frequency remains fixed at 800MHz - does anyone have similar experiences or a suggestion of how to fix it?12:31
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pwnguinanyone filed a bug about ipw3945 not working?12:56
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fsckrwhat does the dbus-daemon do?  I have like 20 or so instances running.  I know its part of gnome but do I need all these?01:07
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pwnguindbus is sort of an event messaging queue for linux01:08
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