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minghuaIs the archive rebuild result publicly available somewhere?12:55
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fabbioneanybody slightly familiar with compiz?07:03
StevenKThe code, or using it?07:13
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Treenakstepsipakki: I've tried the 6.7.191(?.. the one with randr) ati driver, but it doesn't understand 1920x1200 and falls back to 1280x76807:56
tepsipakkiTreenaks: yep, add "Virtual 1920 1200" (or the max your card's vram allows) to the Modes08:01
tepsipakkiit defaults to 1600 1200 currently08:01
tepsipakkiand it will be fixed upstream to use maximum values the vram allows08:02
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fabbioneStevenK: just using it08:05
fabbioneStevenK: i can't find some keybindings.. like to switch from one workspace to another08:05
fabbioneStevenK: or how to set how many workspaces I want08:05
fabbionethat's the only thing atm that's limiting me08:07
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mdkemorning all08:11
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holycowany hardware gurus around?08:25
holycowi just recieved myh fujitsu fmv-u8240 umpc08:25
holycowgot ubuntu on it08:25
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holycowbut would like to get some pointers on tracking down hardware related skills08:26
holycowneed to get a proper keymap for this thing and need to learn more about touchscreens08:27
holycowanyone muck about in that area of things?08:28
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pittimhb: hi08:51
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Mithrandirholycow: you want to just run normal ubuntu on it?08:54
Lutinhi there09:06
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maswanRiddell: pong, looking at it then09:20
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superm1_since there is an override system in place on launchpad, is there anything wrong with including a Section in the source part of debian/control?  This would let the same packages then be uploaded to both PPAs as well as ordinary ubuntu without any source changes09:36
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dholbachgood morning09:39
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dholbachcongratulations everybody for rolling out tribe 5!09:52
Hobbseegood morning, dholbach09:54
dholbachhey Hobbsee09:55
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seb128dholbach: congrats to you too, you are part of the team you know ;)09:57
Hobbseeseb128: oh gnome master, is there a gnome alternative for the clock on kde's kicker, with the timezones?09:57
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seb128Hobbsee: the default clock in GNOME has timezone, right click, preferences, display several timezones09:58
Hobbseeseb128: hmmm.  i wonder why no one ever finds them then.  thanks09:58
seb128dunno who is "no one", I know several people who found the option ;)09:58
coNPHobbsee: kdeworldclock is something else then displaying different timezones.09:59
HobbseecoNP: oh, you wanted world clock. right.09:59
Hobbseeseb128: no, it's one of the things that a whole bunch of people ask.  but yes, some people are good at finding things ;)09:59
coNPHobbsee: I am sure this is a relatively new feature.09:59
dokoseb128: dholbach: where is the upstream of pyspi?10:03
Treenakstepsipakki: adding Virtual 1920 1200 doesn't work -- I still get 1280x76810:04
HobbseecoNP: no idea :)10:04
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seb128coNP: right, it's new from the gutsy cycle10:06
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tepsipakkiTreenaks: hmm, worked for someone else10:08
Treenakstepsipakki: I'll try to get a logfile, will that help?10:08
tepsipakkiit could, yes10:08
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dholbachdoko: http://people.redhat.com/zcerza/dogtail/downloads.html10:11
dokodholbach: zcerza was missing ...10:12
dokodholbach, seb128: could you ask upstream about the build failure?10:15
dholbachdoko: gnome bug 423110?10:17
dholbachubugtu? ubotu?10:18
Hobbseeubotu: ping10:18
ubotuhost not found10:18
Hobbseeubugtu is long dead.10:18
Hobbseegnome bug 42311010:18
ubotuGnome bug 423110 in general "pyspi fails to build with pyrex" [Normal,Resolved: fixed]  http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=42311010:18
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dokodholbach: could you mark bug 128227 as forwarded?10:22
ubotuLaunchpad bug 128227 in pyspi "gutsy/amd64: ftbfs / autopkgtest failure" [High,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/12822710:22
seb128pitti: I can do the pending syncs if you want since I didn't do them on wednesday due to the freeze10:22
pittiseb128: if you have time for it, sure! I'll turn my attention to the NEW queue then10:23
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seb128k, doing them10:23
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dholbachdoko: done10:24
Hobbseemorning pitti!10:28
pittihey Hobbsee!10:28
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Hobbseepitti: Riddell well done on t510:29
pittiindeed (I already mailed him congrats), go Riddell!10:30
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Riddellthanks guys10:31
HobbseeRiddell: :)10:32
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ograyeah, great job Riddell10:35
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cjwatsonsuperm1: including Section is fine, try to make it be at least valid though ;-)10:52
ograpitti, did mpt have a look at the new printer tool ?11:01
pittiogra: not that I know of11:01
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ogramy mother wouldnt be able to set up a printer with it (she was with edgy)11:02
pittiogra: it's a bit different than g-c-m, indeed11:02
pittiogra: OTOH you mostly don't need to worry any more, since printers are now automatically configured11:02
ograwell, indeed11:03
seb128GNOME guys are some bad comment on it as well11:03
ograbut to me that looks really like an expert tool compared to the old one11:03
seb128where the old UI was clean with only icon the new one is pretty tough11:03
pittiogra: Tim Waugh is very responsive, if you have some suggestions how to improve the UI, just file a LP bug11:03
pittiyeah, it's a hard choice11:04
pittia tool that looks easy and is broken vs. a tool that looks complex and actually works :/11:04
ograpitti, make it look like g-c-m :) the UI was intuitive and very easy to understand11:04
ograwhere was it broken ?11:04
FujitsuWill most people ever have to touch much of s-c-m now?11:04
ograi never had probvs with printing since warty ... neither anyone around me11:05
Fujitsucjwatson: Oops, yes.11:05
pittiogra: lots of bugs and crashes, unmaintained upstream for years11:05
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pittiogra: and lacking features like automatically scanning for network printers, etc.11:05
pittiogra: and g-c-m doesn't provide the 'fully automagic printer configuration', which is a killer feature IMHO11:06
pittiogra: we made a couple of UI improvement suggestions to Tim already, and he implemented them very fast11:06
seb128imho the new one is better11:06
seb128we just need to make the UI nicer11:06
seb128maybe add some icons11:06
pittiogra: bug 132652 will help a bit, too, I think11:07
ubotuLaunchpad bug 132652 in system-config-printer "Please select an appropriate default in the tree view" [Wishlist,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/13265211:07
pittiogra: (was fixed upstream yesterday)11:07
ograah, cool11:07
pittiso that people get the form they most probably want by default11:07
pittiseb128: icons FTW! :)11:07
ograbut really, probably mpt should have a look ...11:07
pittithe tree view shuold probably be turned into a set of tabs (one per server) with icons for the printers in each11:08
pittiand one tab for the local server settings11:08
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ograi think there is way to much information everywhere its crowded ...11:09
pittiit's quite a power tool indeed :/11:10
ograwell, g-c-m had all that options (or many of them at least) somewhere as well but didnt look crowded11:11
pittiand too much text11:11
pittiogra: I liked g-c-m's UI, too, but it just got unbearable; I guess that switch is painful, but we should aim at improving scp's UI now11:12
ogradrop the tabs, make every printer an icon and have the individual optiojns availabe via right click11:12
tepsipakkiTreenaks: there's a new ati-version for you to try11:13
tepsipakkiTreenaks: same webdir11:13
cjwatsonwhee avivo11:13
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ograpitti, also why is there an apply button ?11:15
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pittiogra: that should probably go as well, right11:20
tseliotcjwatson, pitti, do you know why my patches haven't been accepted yet? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-restricted-modules-2.6.20/+bug/98641/comments/66  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-restricted-modules-2.6.20/+bug/98641/comments/6711:21
ubotuLaunchpad bug 98641 in linux-restricted-modules-2.6.20 "[nvidia-glx-new]  NVidia driver missing libwfb" [High,Confirmed] 11:22
pittitseliot: just lack of time to look at them so far, I guess11:22
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pittitseliot: now, with feature freeze behind us, we concentrate on bug fixing, so might happen soon now11:22
tseliotpitti: is there something I can do to help or shall I just wait and see?11:23
pittitseliot: you can occasionally ask about the status in #ubuntu-kernel if the patches are tested and ready to be applied11:23
pittitseliot: there are so many bugs that the kernel team might have difficulties to track which ones are low-hanging fruits11:23
pittitseliot: but don't ping them too often, that distracts too much :)11:24
tseliotpitti: thanks. I won't ping them at all ;)11:24
pittitseliot: oh, it's worth a try doing it once at least11:24
pittitseliot: I don't know how they prefer to mark such bugs11:25
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tseliotpitti: "mark such bugs"? because they affect proprietary drivers?11:26
pittitseliot: like setting them 'in progress' or assign them to someone in particular, etc.11:26
ogratseliot, because he doesnt know their workflow :)11:26
tseliotpitti, ogra: ok11:27
norsetto(sorry for the double request for MOTUs here) Would you guys say that this: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/34864/ is a MIT/Expat License? licensecheck reports it as unknown.11:27
cjwatsonnorsetto: MIT-style and not a problem11:28
norsettogood, just checking as is not in COPYING11:28
cjwatsonnorsetto: it's not exactly the same but it's close enough for our purposes11:30
norsettocjwatson: yes, it seems pretty simplified, yet the spirit seems to be the same (a typical lawyer term, spirit ....)11:31
norsettodo you want me to scare you?11:32
pittidoko: simdmath> /usr/spu/{include,lib}? that's a weird path11:32
soreninfinity: You and mathiaz discussed the samba "net usershare" stuff, did you not?11:32
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dokopitti: no.11:32
dokopitti: cross-build files11:32
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pittiStevenK: FYI, NBS slaughtered (in particular, kernel stuff and some obex package)12:27
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Hobbseeobex package?  i wonder if that was intentional12:39
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pittiHobbsee: 'qobex'12:45
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Hobbseepitti: ah. presumably kdebluetooth doesnt need it anymore12:46
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StevenKpitti: Nice, thanks.12:48
StevenKHobbsee: Right.12:48
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StevenKpitti: I was just about to ask you to regen the list at your earliest oppurtunity, but I think the cronjob will beat you.12:49
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Kmosbug 13447101:25
ubotuLaunchpad bug 134471 in sudo "sudo puts the clock back twenty days" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/13447101:25
Kmoswhat a strange thing01:25
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\shKmos, I don't think it's sudo01:33
Kmosme too01:33
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IntuitiveNipple"sudo -k" or "rm -rf /var/run/sudo/username" usually solves that01:38
cjwatsonsudo doesn't contain any time-setting code AFAICS01:40
cjwatsonhowever I know the reporter and he's not in the habit of being on crack01:40
IntuitiveNipplesudo stores a timestamp ,  -k clears it01:40
Spadscjwatson: ah, so an occasional user?01:41
cjwatsonIntuitiveNipple: indeed but that is not the bug if you read more closely01:41
cjwatsonIntuitiveNipple: the complaint is that sudo [or something]  is messing with the system clock01:41
cjwatsonSpads: ha01:42
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IntuitiveNippleI can reproduce it here01:46
IntuitiveNippleFeisty 32-bit01:46
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cjwatsonpitti: I've uploaded a new d-i to dapper-proposed that bumps to the new kernel ABI in -security, which I forgot to do the other week; please consider?01:58
pitticjwatson: fine for me, but shouldn't we wait for the new -proposed kernel for dapper.2, too?01:59
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cjwatsonpitti: probably, just seemed reasonable to bump it in case anyone's trying it now02:01
pittiright, can't hurt, I just wanted to mention that there will be another one02:01
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pitticjwatson: (accepted)02:03
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pittiiwj: how do you want to check if ldconfig is called from a maintainer script? checking /proc/$$PID/cmdline or something like that?02:16
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iwjpitti: dpkg now sets an env far for the benefit of dpkg-trigger, so it's trivial.02:37
pittiiwj: ah, splendid02:37
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bigonmjg59: hi02:47
bigonmjg59: I just see that you uploaded haze to debian02:48
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ziithhi guys02:50
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ziithi was wondering, what is the normal procedure for requesting a sotware to be packaged as an ubuntu package?02:51
norsettoziith: bug report02:51
Hobbseeziith: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Contributing#head-f4c6048b1531f4e4fe48f096350ea435d40ed9f502:52
seb128who can grant main freeze exception nowadays?02:52
Hobbseeseb128: release team02:52
seb128I want to update pidgin from 2.1.0 to 2.1.1 (bug fix version, already in Debian)02:52
Hobbseeseb128: sounds sane.02:52
seb128do I need to file some bugs or something or can I just go and upload? ;)02:53
Hobbseeseb128: i think you can just go and upload, actually.  you got my ack.02:53
Hobbseeseb128: but then, we've just been doing universe processes, and i've not been on the main team before.02:53
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ziithnorsetto, Hobbsee: does this mean i will be expected to package it myself? In that case i will really need to brush up on my packaging skills.02:54
Kmosziith: if it's not in debian yet, yes :)02:54
Hobbseeziith: well, that's the quickest way to get it in.  otherwise you can file a bug with the needs-packaging tag, and hope someone feels like doing it at some point02:54
ziithalright, thanks guys02:54
norsettoziith: if you can package, that the best obviously, but no, its not required02:55
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bigonseb128: wait a little bit before updating pidgin me and ari (debian maintainer) have made the split of libpurple out of the main package02:55
bigonseb128: svn://svn.debian.org/svn/collab-maint/deb-maint/pidgin/branches/pidgin-split-purple02:56
seb128bigon: I don't think we want to split the package during the freeze now02:56
bigonseb128: right02:57
acmhi, I have a problem with removing linux-ubuntu-modules-2.6.22-9-generic. since the last release 2.6.22-8-generic there is a problem with removing this package. the post-removal script return 1. is there already a bug in lp?02:59
Hobbseeacm: #ubuntu+1 for support03:00
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acmfound a bug 122421 in lp for linux-ubuntu-modules. hope this problem will be solved asap.03:11
ubotuLaunchpad bug 122421 in linux-ubuntu-modules-2.6.22 "Unable to purge package" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/12242103:11
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bigonHow can I do to make a package removed from the new queue? haze (uploaded by mjg59) was not made with the collaboration of the debian telepathy team. an other package for this software is waiting in the debian new queue03:14
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Mithrandirmjg59: ^^ ; can you work something out about this so we end up with one unified package?03:17
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infinityseb128: Bugs would be way too much overhead, just make sure the person you're asking has some modicum of authority to approve the upload.03:22
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seb128infinity: looks like I can just decide myself for desktopish updates then ;)03:25
infinityseb128: I'd prefer if you didn't.03:25
seb128I see03:26
infinityseb128: Bouncing it off someone else, even if you know best, gives you the required 5 minutes to think about it.03:26
seb128looks like you trust me to not screw :p03:26
infinityseb128: I don't trust any of us to not screw up. :)03:26
Lutinhi there03:26
Hobbseeinfinity: oh, i must have forgotten that i dont actually count as part of the release team.03:31
infinityHobbsee: No, no.  You do.03:31
infinityHobbsee: I meant "don't go asking a random coworker to check it, then upload".03:31
Hobbseeinfinity: ah right.  couldnt tell which way you were inferring.03:31
infinityHobbsee: We have a longstanding history of asking the closest person we can find for a review, and then calling it "good enough".03:32
infinityHobbsee: Which, from the POV of release coordination, kinda loses.03:32
Hobbseeinfinity: ahhh.  how useful03:32
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Lutininfinity: sorry to bother you with that but ... got some time to look into the loadlin thing ?03:33
infinityLutin: I do, but I don't.  Rather busy setting up some buildds right now.03:34
infinitycprov: Can you help Lutin find his missing upload?03:34
infinitycprov: If you're just as busy as I am, I can do it later.03:34
Lutininfinity: no problem... can wait anyway03:35
tseliotinfinity: do you know why my patches haven't been approved yet? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-restricted-modules-2.6.20/+bug/98641/comments/66 https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-restricted-modules-2.6.20/+bug/98641/comments/6703:35
ubotuLaunchpad bug 98641 in linux-restricted-modules-2.6.20 "[nvidia-glx-new]  NVidia driver missing libwfb" [High,Confirmed] 03:35
cprovinfinity: Lutin: can you ping back in, let's say, 15 minutes ?03:35
Lutincprov: sure03:35
StevenKinfinity: libnss-db when you aren't busy? Maybe? :-)03:36
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tseliotinfinity: the 2nd patch is for Gutsy. And the bug's importance is marked as "High".03:46
Hobbseetseliot: and the kernel team was on holidays last week, and they're getting to it...03:46
tseliotHobbsee: I didn't know. And mine wasn't a complaint. I wanted to make him notice that the bug affects Gutsy as well.03:48
Hobbseetseliot: but he's not in the kernel team. you'd do better in #ubuntu-kernel, etc03:49
tseliotHobbsee: oh, I thought that both he and BenC were in the kernel team03:49
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Hobbseetseliot: you might be thinking of kylem03:50
tkamppeterhi pitti03:50
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tseliotHobbsee: thanks. I'll go bug kylem then ;)03:51
pittihi tkamppeter03:51
tkamppeterpitti, it seems that the new cupsys (or something else in Gutsy) removes the admin (first) user from the lpadmin group, see bug 134503, bug 107766, and bug 132735, in the last one Paul Coleman's comment.03:53
ubotuLaunchpad bug 134503 in cupsys "cupsys 1.3 upgrade fails" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/13450303:53
ubotuLaunchpad bug 107766 in system-config-printer "system-config-printer adds menu item the same as gnome-cups-manager's menu item" [Medium,Fix released]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/10776603:53
ubotuLaunchpad bug 132735 in system-config-printer "system-config-printer says "Not published", "See server settings" after selecting "Share published printers connected to this system", until restarting the tool" [Medium,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/13273503:53
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tkamppeterpitti, in the first two the comments of neuromancer.03:54
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sorenWhat needs to happen for a new task to show up in the tasksel in the installer?03:58
sorenopenssh-server has been added to tasksel.03:58
sorenI would have thought a new d-i upload would be required, but tasksel is not a b-d of d-i?03:58
pygisoren, I can see openssh-server in tasksel?03:59
sorenpygi: In the installer as well?03:59
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sorenpygi: Tribe-5?03:59
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pygisoren, not installer (sorry), but newest upgrade, sure03:59
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sorenpygi: Sure.04:00
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mjg59Mithrandir: I suspect the best would be to sync from Debian once there's something there04:00
Kmoswho's checking ubuntu-release ? for main freeze exception04:01
Mithrandirmjg59: ok04:01
Kmosbug 13240504:01
ubotuLaunchpad bug 132405 in xterm "Please sync xterm (229-1) from Debian unstable (main)" [Undecided,Incomplete]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/13240504:01
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HobbseeKmos: most likely the ubuntu-release people, with all their other bugs...04:02
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KmosHobbsee: just asking.. relax04:08
HobbseeKmos: stupid questions get stupid answers.04:08
Hobbseeand people bashing things04:08
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Hobbseehighvoltage: \o/04:09
pittitkamppeter: that seems very fishy to me; cupsys doesn't delete any groups from any user04:10
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Lutincprov: ping ?04:13
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cprovLutin: right04:15
cprovLutin: which binary are you looking for ?04:15
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Lutincprov: loadlin i386. I fot a failed to upload mail04:17
Kmoscan someone look at bug 13269404:18
ubotuLaunchpad bug 132694 in ddclient "Please merge ddclient (3.7.3-2) from Debian unstable" [Undecided,Incomplete]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/13269404:18
Kmosbecause I'm not credible04:18
cprovLutin: what does the emails says, can you send it to me (cprov@canonical.com)04:18
cjwatsonsoren: doesn't need a new d-i upload, since tasksel isn't in the initrd04:18
cjwatsonsoren: the tasksel upload should've been sufficient04:18
cjwatsonsoren: provided of course that openssh-server.deb is actually on the CD04:18
Lutincprov: sure04:18
sorencjwatson: The openssh-server is on the CD... Hmm... Which daily was promoted to Tribe-5?04:19
cjwatsonsoren: check the version of tasksel on your CD04:20
mathiazsoren: 2007082304:20
Lutincprov: just forwarded04:20
sorencjwatson: Hmm.. Stupid question: How?04:21
cjwatsonsoren: ls /cdrom/pool/main/t/tasksel04:21
mathiazsoren: the seed was modified on late 2007082204:21
cjwatsonmathiaz: but I didn't upload tasksel until the next day04:21
mathiazcjwatson: the server cds were generated early in the day.04:21
cjwatsonwhen the seed *structure* is changed (as opposed to just changing the contents of an existing seed), tasksel typically needs to be refreshed against it04:21
cjwatsonmathiaz: indeed, I own the code containing the crontab04:22
cjwatsonthey were generated before my tasksel upload landed04:22
mathiazcjwatson: Riddell triggered a manual build I think.04:22
cjwatsonyou know this is so easy to check rather than arguing about it04:22
mathiazcjwatson: I've tested the server cd on my wednesday evening.04:22
mathiazcjwatson: totally.04:23
cjwatson$ wget -q -O- http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/gutsy/tribe-5/gutsy-server-i386.list | grep tasksel_04:23
cjwatsontoo old04:23
cjwatsonmore recent dailies, if there are any yet, will have the fix04:23
sorenYeah, it needed ubuntu4.04:23
sorenOk, it's no problem then.04:24
sorenThere's no bug, just bad timing.04:24
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cprovLutin: the email is clear:04:25
cprov02:19:02 WARNING Upload was rejected:04:25
cprov02:19:02 WARNING    Unable to identify file lodlin16.zip (byhand) in changes.04:25
tkamppeterpitti, perhaps the problem is elsewhere, in the user management, installer, update management, ...04:25
pittitkamppeter: maybe it's the infamous bug 26338 or so04:25
tkamppeterpitti, who should we subscribe to this bug that he can check and fix that?04:25
ubotuLaunchpad bug 26338 in gnome-system-tools "Adding a user to a group modifies other users' groups and passwords" [Critical,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/2633804:25
pittitkamppeter: I followed up on the bug with some questions, but I have no idea ATM04:25
cprovLutin: we don't support zip custom uploads (I doubt, it was your intention at all)04:26
pittitkamppeter: we can try to reproduce it in vmware or so and narrow down the package which causes it04:26
tkamppeterStrange is that such an old bug, marked as critical is not fixed yet.04:26
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Lutincprov: humm weird, it got accepted for amd6404:27
pmatulisi've found someone on launchpad that wants to help with improving the look of gnome-panel.  i should i direct him?04:28
cprovLutin: probably because the lodlin16.zip only built for arch-indep (i386)04:28
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Lutincprov: the package is arch: i386 amd64, and I can't see anyting related to the arch in debian/rules04:31
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tkamppeterpitti, should we milestone bug 26338 for the beta?04:33
ubotuLaunchpad bug 26338 in gnome-system-tools "Adding a user to a group modifies other users' groups and passwords" [Critical,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/2633804:33
cjwatsoncprov: it's probably just never been uploaded to Ubuntu since the switch to soyuz04:33
cjwatsoncprov: it'll be an intentional custom upload in Debian04:33
cjwatsonLutin: I'd just drop the dpkg-distaddfile from debian/rules04:33
cjwatsonso that that element doesn't appear in .changes04:33
Lutincjwatson: ok04:34
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cprovcjwatson: do we plan to support it too ?04:34
cjwatsoncprov: I doubt it04:34
cprovcjwatson: how is it used in debian, users get the file from the archive directly ?04:35
cjwatsoncprov: I think it goes onto CDs for use by people who need it04:35
cjwatsonbut we've never bothered with loadlin on our CDs, it's kind of old and crusty04:36
cjwatsoncprov: and yes, the file is copied into /tools/ in the Debian archive04:36
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cprovcjwatson: nahh, ok, maybe later, but it would be better modeled as another custom-upload-type (as a tarball too)04:37
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cjwatsoncprov: has to be a zip for the benefit of windows users. if we mess around with the filetype there's no point04:38
cjwatsoncprov: it's entirely not urgent04:38
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cprovcjwatson: right, but it could be a zip inside a directory as a tarball ... but yet, technical issues later, we already have enough *issues* in our plates.04:40
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AlinuxOShello, does Ubuntu (non graphical) installer use unifont fonts ?04:42
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sorenpitti, isn't it?04:44
AlinuxOSI need to know for example, which fonts are used for cyrillic (non graphical) interface.04:45
Hobbseeer, dont worry.  i cant read04:45
cjwatsonAlinuxOS: yes, unifont, as I believe we've informed you before04:46
pittiHobbsee: yep04:46
Hobbseepitti: sorry for the noise, i cant read.04:46
cjwatsoncprov: I fail to see how that would help, since the desired result is to copy the zip file without changes into a non-versioned location in the archive04:46
AlinuxOScjwatson, I remmember in the past there was no Georgian (console font) support...04:46
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cjwatsonAlinuxOS: we went through that at great length04:47
AlinuxOSbut now http://www.unifont.org/fontguide/ georgian has 14 an 16 sized terminal fonts.04:47
cjwatsonyou supplied a patch for unifont to add it04:47
cprovcjwatson: it's just a certain 'cruft' required to re-use most the the custom-upload-parser code.04:47
cjwatsonah, maybe not you, it was Gia Shervashidze04:47
AlinuxOSthe problem is that I can't visualise Georgian in terminal mode04:47
cjwatsoncprov: that code is not useful here04:47
cjwatsoncprov: it's designed for the /dists/$DIST/main/$FORMAT-$ARCH/ directories04:48
AlinuxOSI have some directories in Georgian:  "New Directory" - " "04:48
cprovcjwatson: yes, right, something much simpler could be used04:48
AlinuxOSbut I can't see them.04:48
cjwatsonwhat would the point of reusing that code be when all you actually need is shutil.copy?04:48
cjwatsonAlinuxOS: try 'sudo setupcon'04:49
AlinuxOScjwatson, 14 was designed by Gia Shervashidze, 16 was designed by me.04:49
cjwatsonI can only cite the changelog04:49
AlinuxOShttp://www.unifont.org/fontguide/ I'm mentioned here but it has no importance :)04:51
AlinuxOScjwatson, the problem is that I get rombs...not letters.04:51
AlinuxOScjwatson, I'll show you a screenshot...04:52
cjwatsonI don't know what a "romb" is, unless you mean a "rhombus" which is more usually called a diamond in English04:53
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ograbut i guess he just means squares :)04:54
ograthird dimension in console fonts is rare ;)04:54
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Hobbseeogra: now that would be cool.  perhaps a task for hte compiz guys?04:57
ograGL console ?04:57
ograthat'd be funny  :=04:57
Hobbsee3d console04:58
Hobbsee3d text, in a 3d console04:58
highvoltagemight be useful for installers.04:58
Hobbsee*wobbly* 3d text, in a 3d console04:58
highvoltage(in terms of accessibility)04:58
highvoltageand for partitioners in d-i04:58
paranit's a unix system, I know this!04:58
highvoltage[ x ]  View my disks in a cube04:59
cjwatsonogra: I understand a diamond as a two-dimensional shape04:59
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cjwatsonogra: compare http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rhombus05:00
bwakkiegutsy questions here?05:00
highvoltagebwakkie: #ubuntu+105:00
ogracjwatson, oh, right i was "germanizing" that :) a diamond is a gem for me :)05:01
ograraute would be the common german name for it :) but rhombus would work too05:01
geserseb128: thanks for processing the sync request but you synced to much in bug #13334205:01
ubotuLaunchpad bug 133342 in zeroc-ice-csharp "[Sync request]  Sync zeroc-ice-csharp (3.2.0-2) from Debian testing (main)" [Wishlist,Fix released]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/13334205:01
ion_hobbsee: Make the text *always* scroll/print slowly, make it stridulate, add a few meaningless graphs and scrollers and voil: you have the Hollywood terminal.05:02
seb128geser: we can only sync to the current version05:02
Hobbseeion_: neat!05:02
seb128geser: I didn't notice they updated it meanwhile05:02
geserseb128: but it's possible to sync from testing in theory?05:03
pittigeser: yes, it is05:05
ion_cjwatson: Hm. Perhaps he means he gets the  character, which perhaps happens to be shaped like a rhombus on his system.05:05
pittigeser: with some manual hacking we can also sync any other .dsc05:05
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seb128geser: well the new version is not likely an issue there, sorry for the overlook05:07
geserpitti, seb128: is there a way to make it more visible for you when a sync is not against unstable? to avoid such overlook in the future05:08
pittihm, not sure; big red "NOT FROM UNSTABLE"? :)05:08
seb128geser: no, that was mentioned in the topic which is good enough05:09
seb128geser: is there anything wrong with the unstable version? that's only a minor revision05:09
geserseb128: I just looked at the new diff.gz and the new version build-depends on icestorm > 3.2.1 (we have 3.2.0-7)05:09
seb128geser: either somebody need to update 3.2.0 as 3.2.1.is.3.2.0 or we sync icestorm05:10
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geserseb128: icestorm is build from zeroc-ice and there are 9 source packages starting with zeroc-ice.05:13
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seb128geser: well, it's an universe package, the new version is to debian, and there is several weeks before beta, I would say it should safe to sync those, that's only a minor version05:14
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geserseb128: I'll talk to motu-uvf how to proceed here05:15
seb128geser: ok, thanks, sorry for the screwing05:15
seb128all the syncs request are from unstable, I didn't notice the title change there05:16
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AlinuxSOScjwatson, ping.05:32
sorenAre we still without java support on amd64 in mozilla based browsers?05:38
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Lutincjwatson: so about loadlin, removing dpkg-adddistfiles would be ok ?05:41
cjwatsonLutin: yeah05:41
cjwatsonit won't affect the .deb05:42
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Lutincjwatson: ok, thanks :)05:44
cjwatsonAlinuxSOS: sorry, I have a phone call nowish and can't get into this; file a bug with your problem05:44
AlinuxSOScjwatson, ok... I understand... against which package ?05:45
cjwatsonI'm not entirely sure - console-setup?05:46
cjwatsonI'm assuming you're not actually talking about *in* the installer, but about in the console after install05:46
tkamppeterIn bug 134503 the privileged user got removed from the lpadmin group by an upgrade from Feisty to Gutsy, but this was not caused by the cupsys package. Which package it actually did I do not know. Who should I subscribe to this bug who could have knowledge to fix it?05:46
ubotuLaunchpad bug 134503 in cupsys "Upgrade Feisty -> Gutsy: Privileged user not in "lpadmin" group any more" [High,Incomplete]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/13450305:46
AlinuxSOScjwatson, both, because alternate installer has no Georgian interface too...05:47
AlinuxSOSeven if debian-installer is translated.05:47
cjwatsonAlinuxSOS: ok, file it on debian-installer to start with and include as much detail as you can bearing in mind that I don't read Georgian05:48
AlinuxSOScjwatson, ok ... thank you :)05:48
AlinuxSOSI'll do it.05:49
AlinuxSOScjwatson, thank you too.05:49
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pittibye everyone06:00
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lucky_lucasHello bryce06:09
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lucky_lucashi bryce, I as you can notice, I experience some trouble with the ati driver06:16
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ograKeybuk, sitll around ?06:29
ogra*still even06:29
coNPSeveas: may I bug you with an Ubuntu cloak issue?06:30
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SeveascoNP, sure, but not in here -- try a pm06:31
brycelucky_lucas: which specific bug?06:35
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ograbryce, did you notice, openchrome works fine for me, just xv is missing it seems (got that with the cvs version i complied in feisty though)06:36
bryceogra: ah ok06:36
bryceogra, I didn't do the packaging on it, but perhaps it just needs a bit flipped06:37
bryceI probably won't get a chance to look at it soon though - can you put in a bug report on it?06:37
ograwill do06:38
ograwho is woring on it ? kyle ?06:38
ograor did that move completely to your desk now ?06:38
brycesuperm1 did the packaging for it06:40
brycekees and I reviewed and uploaded it06:40
ograah, k06:40
bryceMario Limonciello <superm1@ubuntu.com>06:40
superm1hi :)06:41
ograyep, i remember :)06:41
bryceheya superm1 :-)06:41
superm1i wish i had functional hardware myself to test it on, so i could catch something small in testing it06:41
Treenakstepsipakki: the new ati deb works fine (except for my pet bug, but upstream is taking care of that)06:42
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tepsipakkiTreenaks: excellent06:47
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tepsipakkinow party ->06:47
Treenakstepsipakki: *\o/*06:47
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brycetepsipakki, have you gotten much feedback on the xserver?06:52
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lucky_lucasbryce I'm back, I experience a freeze with ati driver and compiz enable06:53
bryceTreenaks: was that the -ati in Gutsy, or the one on Tepsipakki's page?06:53
brycelucky_lucas: ah, which launchpad id#?06:54
lucky_lucasI'm looking if it's already reported06:54
brycecool thanks06:55
lucky_lucasI didn't do it in launchpad since you told me to contact alex  on the xorg mailing list06:55
bryceah that's right - look in the recent freedesktop.org bugzilla entries06:55
bryceI'm still catching up with email &tc - did you get feedback from him on it?06:56
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brycetepsipakki, wow, the testers on the Xorg Testers Needed forum are getting quite thorough in their tests!  :-)06:58
lucky_lucasbryce it's not in launchpad would you like me to open a bug report06:59
brycetepsipakki, it sounds to me that the xorg-server upload is sufficiently tested06:59
brycelucky_lucas: yes please do06:59
lucky_lucasok I may need guidance to find the needed info07:00
lucky_lucasSince it's not systematic07:00
lucky_lucasIt seems to be a problem of memory07:00
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iwjdoko: Is there some neat trick to not spending five hours building glibc to make a trivial change to the debian/* rules stuff ?07:05
ScottKiwj: Trick someone else into doing it for you.07:06
dokoDEB_BUILD_OPTIONS=parallel=<n> ... or build on an architecture where not that many variants are built (for example lpia)07:06
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iwjdoko: Hrm.07:07
dokoiwj: and nocheck is understood as well07:07
iwjThat might help.07:07
elmoiwj: you can use ronne, unless you have better hardware locally07:17
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Keybukogra: yup07:20
iwjelmo: Is ronne really kickass then ?  Maybe I should do that.07:20
ograKeybuk, on ltsp clients i want to replace the shutdown in the ctrl-alt-del file from upstart with something more radical (reboot -fp) since we cant use normal shutdown there...07:21
ograKeybuk, would diverting the file in /etc/event.d be to evil ?07:21
elmoiwj: no, it's pretty pedestrian these days, we have much better servers... but it's better than anything I have at home ;-)07:21
calciwj: from what i recall my box seems faster, may just be while using ccache though, i have a c2d 2.8ghz07:22
ograKeybuk, if so, do you have a suggestion ?07:22
ogra(i think its a conffile)07:23
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Keybukogra: why can't you use normal shutdown?07:24
ograKeybuk, because several things die to early and we dont need shutdown at all (its all in a tmpfs we can just kill)07:25
Keybukwhy not just make rc5 and rc6 empty and only call halt or reboot then?07:25
ograif nbd-client is gone my filesystem disappears ...07:26
ograhm, thats another option i didnt think about yet07:26
Keybukthat would be the "right" way to do what you want07:26
ograas long as the scripts dont return on upgrade :P07:26
ogralike in the startup levels ...07:26
Keybukyou'd have the same problem with event.d07:27
ogranot with a diverted file07:27
Keybukif the file was renamed07:27
Keybukand where the hell would you divert it to? :p07:27
ogractrl-alt-del-ltsp ?07:28
Keybukthat wouldn't stop it running :p07:28
ograwhere i call reboot -fp instead of shutdown -r -n07:28
Keybukthen you'd have both reboot -fp *and* shutdown -r -n run when you pressed c-a-d07:28
seb128Keybuk: could you look at bug #128257, it's on the sponsor lists of bugs for some time now07:28
ograoh, upstart has it hardcoded ?07:28
ubotuLaunchpad bug 128257 in udev "Should include 'plugdev' group in permission.rules" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/12825707:28
Keybukyour diversion would be making two jobs07:28
ograoh, crap, right07:28
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cjwatsonogra: AIUI diverting conffiles is not legal anyway07:29
Keybukseb128: bogus and dangerous07:29
ogracjwatson, thast why i was asking for suggestions :)07:29
seb128Keybuk: ok, would be nice to comment on the bug and unsubscribe main sponsors then ;)07:29
Keybukseb128: doing so07:29
ograand i think cleaning out the rc dirs is the easiest ... we have functions for that in ltsp aready07:29
ograKeybuk, thanks for the idea :)07:30
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Keybukseb128: err, how does one unsubscribe somebody?07:33
seb128Keybuk: you need to be part of the team07:35
seb128I'm unsubscribing the sponsor team for you07:36
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mr_pouitseb128: are you ok with Lutin's proposed patch for evince?07:38
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seb128mr_pouit: looks ok, feel free to upload if it works fine for you07:56
mr_pouitseb128: ok, thanks07:56
elmohas anyone seen smake distclean go into what seems like an inf loop running it's configure-a-like?07:57
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pygielkbuntu, smake as in schilly's make?08:01
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tuxcrafte1hello guys08:11
tuxcrafte1is kbd-chooser part of the debian-installer package?08:11
tuxcrafte1i got this bug: when using the net-install you can't not go back to switch the keyboard layout when you made the wrong choose08:12
ubotuLaunchpad bug 32940 in kbd-chooser "installer, preselected langage - unable to change keyboard layout" [Medium,Confirmed] 08:12
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cjwatsontuxcrafte1: kbd-chooser is a package on its own, though d-i uses it. If you're using edgy or later, note that we now use console-setup instead.08:13
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lucky_lucasbryce: ping08:15
lucky_lucasbryce  I need guidance to complete this bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-ati/+bug/13457808:17
ubotuLaunchpad bug 134578 in xserver-xorg-video-ati "Open source ati driver freeze with compiz" [Undecided,New] 08:17
d3ce1tanybody knows if Ubuntu will ship without Xorg 7.3?08:17
lucky_lucasyes but xrandr 1.2 is in08:18
brycelucky_lucas: attach your /etc/X11/xorg.conf and /var/log/Xorg.0.log, and output from lspci -vvnn08:18
d3ce1tthen will continue with 7.2 but now with xrandr 1.208:18
bryceuse the Xorg.0.log from immediately after a freeze, or Xorg.0.log.old08:19
tuxcrafte1cjwatson: i use gusty with the net-install08:19
brycelucky_lucas: ahh, thanks for reporting that the same issue happens with 6.6.19x.  So it's not a regression, but an existing issue.08:19
lucky_lucasyou welcome, I'v been also using the 6.6.19x randr 1.2 and the issue was in too08:20
tuxcrafte1cjwatson: i can't find the console-setup project08:21
evandtuxcrafte1: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/console-setup08:22
lucky_lucasbryce: Is any way to track the bug, the memory state etc...08:22
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tuxcrafte1evand: please tell me the steps you used to find it :-p08:23
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tuxcrafte1i went to home typed console-setup did a search08:23
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evandtuxcrafte1: That will only show upstream projects.  If you're going to file a bug in Ubuntu, you need to file it against the source package.  First go to launchpad.net/ubuntu, then type console-setup in the search box.08:24
tuxcrafte1So now the dilemma: I got this bug: when using the alternate net-install you can't not go back to switch the keyboard layout when you made the wrong choose. Do i report it at console-setup, debian-installer or kbd-chooser?08:26
brycelucky_lucas: yes, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingXorg08:26
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brycelucky_lucas: you could start with xrestop for monitoring memory usage08:27
lucky_lucasOk since it happens randomly, it seems to be a memory corruption or anything like that08:28
evandtuxcrafte1: I've marked the existing bug as affecting console-setup as well.08:30
tuxcrafte1evand: thanks, how can i check these kinds of tags?08:31
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tuxcrafte1evand: Affects08:32
tuxcrafte1evand: found it08:32
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tuxcrafte1evand: it also affect debian-installer correct08:32
evandtuxcrafte1: No, it's a separate package08:32
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tuxcrafte1evand: hmm08:33
ScottK"Also affect" means also has the bug, not impacted by the bug.08:33
tuxcrafte1looking for structure08:33
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evandtuxcrafte1: rather than flood the development channel with discussion about bug reporting and how to use launchpad, please join me in #ubuntu-bugs and we can continue there if necessary.08:36
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tuxcrafte1evand: indeed your write, the discussion when out of focus :-D I will be in the bug channel08:44
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Amaranthquilt is awesome09:00
Amaranththe only time it's annoying is when you don't know what files are changing (like rerunning autoconf) since you have to mark them09:01
agoliveiraSure is. At least as a sexual toy because it fscking my brain already :)09:01
agoliveiraReally, I'm kidding, I'm probably just not used to it but so far I prefer cdbs.09:02
ograagoliveira, i'll join you in hunting the guys in afterlife, ping me if we're there :)09:02
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ograquilt is insane imho ... as if we hadnt enough complicated build systems ....09:03
ograbut then i'm no cdbs fan either09:03
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leksanyone experiencing sound problems with latest updates too?09:30
leksby sound problems i mean, everything "works", but i cant hear any sound09:31
plopixis it possible to backport a lib in gutsy pbuilder on a feisty installation?09:32
bhaledo you mean backport a gutsy package to feisty?09:32
bhaleyou'd need the gutsy source built in a feisty pbuilder09:32
plopixbhale: yes I do09:32
ScottKplopix: Sometimes yes, sometimes no.  Depends on how much things it depends on have changed.09:33
plopixI need python-qt4 version 4.3 and can't find it anywhere. Does https://bugs.launchpad.net/feisty-backports/+bug/131773 status mean that someone requested it, but no one had it done?09:36
ubotuLaunchpad bug 131773 in feisty-backports "Please backport python-qt4 4.3 for feisty" [Undecided,New] 09:36
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cargoholdHi all!09:38
ScottKplopix: That's what it means.09:38
cargoholdI code apps on www.gadmintools.org .. do you have any requests ?09:38
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Skiessihmm gui for a bittorrent tracker? ^^09:41
Skiessifor reducing the server bandwidth usage.09:42
SkiessiThat's my only idea and I think it's a good one :P09:43
tuxcrafte1can somebody explain to me what the difference is between these to files:09:44
zultuxcrafte1: im guess that one is for the generic kernel and one is for the 386 kernel09:45
Skiessithat's my guess too09:45
finalbeta I wish to report a bug, My system freezes up about a minute after I hit the log-on screen (even if I log in). This with the TRibe 5 kernel, the previous one still works. What information should I add, and how do I get it?09:46
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tuxcrafte1zul: but why use the specific i386 folder at the end of the link? I gives the impression there both i386 and not i68609:47
tuxcrafte1zul: with file do you think is used in the gutsy-alternate-i386.iso cd-image?09:48
zultuxcrafte1: not sure09:48
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tuxcrafte1ah i think i can check the file size09:49
tuxcrafte1or do a checksum09:49
tuxcrafte1questions marks are weaving around my head to figure out the ubuntu build structure :-D09:52
tuxcrafte1the two files are definitely different but what is the difference :-D09:55
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Skiessihttp://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/gutsy/main/installer-i386/current/images/netboot/ubuntu-installer/i386/initrd.gz I recommend this one10:00
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mastroDanihi.. i think i found a bug: Ubuntu feisty (fresh install) - 1) Administrator -> Share Folders 2) install samba and nfs, as requested 3) add a new folder share. result: folder shared but no user to access it. if i try to access from another machine it ask for user/password, and the linux user/password isn't accepted.. this is the file created by the graphical tool.. http://pastebin.com/m74d8c9f810:01
ion_mastrodani: Better file it at launchpad.net.10:02
mastroDanithe result is that if i don't manually create an user (sudo smbusers -a name) i can't use the share... solution: auto-create users or add the tool to add some user10:02
mastroDaniion_: yeah .. i know10:02
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mastroDanii don't have an account at launchpad10:03
ion_Thats easy enough to fix. :-)10:03
mastroDanican someone of you copy/paste it?10:03
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Skiessijust please fix that random crashing of firefox10:09
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IntuitiveNipplemastroDani: Have you tried sharing a directory outside the /home/ directory? By default samba has home shares disabled so that may be affecting your share10:12
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mastroDaniIntuitiveNipple: no i didn't tried... may be.. i will check it tnx10:16
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ion_skiessi: Remove the proprietary flash plugin. Done.10:18
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cargoholdion_: yeah flash is evilly on the ms side that wants full disclosure of everyones HD's10:37
cargoholdHow did Adobe vote on m$ ooxml btw ?10:37
cargoholdI hope they went against that pice of shit10:38
mastroDaniion_: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-system-tools/+bug/13460210:38
ubotuLaunchpad bug 134602 in gnome-system-tools "directory share with samba require manual user creation" [Undecided,New] 10:38
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=== tuxcrafte1 is going to sleep, and take a few steps back form ubuntu for 2 days, I have seen to many unsolved bugs that i filled and checked 6 months ago, feeling down.
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cargoholdWhat idiot reported this one as a bug ? /LOL -> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-system-tools/+bug/13460210:48
ubotuLaunchpad bug 134602 in gnome-system-tools "directory share with samba require manual user creation" [Undecided,New] 10:48
cargoholdA newbie user trying to share a folder with samba will end up with a not accessible share, cause when trying to access it will receive a request for user/password, and the10:49
cargoholduser/password doesn't exist (the Linux user/password isn't accepted)10:49
cargoholdSo the claim is "Dont use GNU/Linux is you want to setup something secure" ?10:50
ion_cargohold: That is not a very kind way to talk about someone else.10:51
cargohold[mastroDani]  #debian-it #tremulous.ita #cdb-clan10:51
cargoholdion_: sorry, i mean 'young at heart'10:51
cargoholdMaybe im too old to be here10:52
cargoholdKidding :P10:52
cargoholdion_: why did he /leave just after posting it you think :P10:53
ion_cargohold: I dont really see how any of that is relevant. His concern is real. It would be a good assumption that the normal credentials would be used by default for directories shared via samba.10:54
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cargoholdI hope im not talking to idiots (incase i am, im just coding things for you and sacrificing everything else)10:55
cargoholdion_: ive talked to them in 2 channels now, beginning in samba... Trolls10:56
cargoholdDo you know that dude or just guessing ?10:57
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ion_I wonder how i didnt realize sooner cargoholds a troll. It has been quite obvious from the start.10:57
cargoholdNaturally, you may kick me now10:57
cargoholdEy, trolltech ?10:58
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AhrgvnEltele, do you job instead10:58
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cargoholdion_: i think people know who i am and what i do, what did you code btw ?11:00
Ahrgvnion_: Say "Ok"11:01
AhrgvnOtherwise we will force you to play trivia with us :=)11:02
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