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[07:13] The code, or using it? === freeflying [n=freeflyi@125.33.55.43] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mdark [n=Sea@60.20.51.214] has joined #ubuntu-devel === glatzor [n=renate@p57AEFFDC.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === slomo [n=slomo@ubuntu/member/slomo] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pitti [n=pitti@ubuntu/member/pitti] has joined #ubuntu-devel === atlas95 [n=atlas@AVelizy-153-1-88-221.w90-2.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel === chrisle [n=chris@e178069244.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === rodarvus_ [n=rodarvus@atlas-d0s.wrk.terra.com.br] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:56] tepsipakki: I've tried the 6.7.191(?.. the one with randr) ati driver, but it doesn't understand 1920x1200 and falls back to 1280x768 [08:01] Treenaks: yep, add "Virtual 1920 1200" (or the max your card's vram allows) to the Modes [08:01] it defaults to 1600 1200 currently [08:02] and it will be fixed upstream to use maximum values the vram allows === lionel [n=lionel@ip-149.net-89-3-208.rev.numericable.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:05] StevenK: just using it [08:05] StevenK: i can't find some keybindings.. like to switch from one workspace to another [08:05] StevenK: or how to set how many workspaces I want [08:07] that's the only thing atm that's limiting me === superm1 [n=superm1@ubuntu/member/superm1] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:11] morning all === tseliot [n=tseliot@host38-226-dynamic.59-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #ubuntu-devel === azeem_ [n=mbanck@ppp-88-217-12-158.dynamic.mnet-online.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === MagnusR [n=magru@c83-252-237-96.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #ubuntu-devel === atlas95 [n=atlas@AVelizy-153-1-88-221.w90-2.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Lure [n=lure@ubuntu/member/lure] has joined #ubuntu-devel === holycow [n=start@S01060016b6b53675.vf.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:24] hi [08:25] any hardware gurus around? [08:25] i just recieved myh fujitsu fmv-u8240 umpc [08:25] got ubuntu on it === kagou [n=Patrice@81.185.184.42] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:26] but would like to get some pointers on tracking down hardware related skills [08:27] need to get a proper keymap for this thing and need to learn more about touchscreens [08:28] anyone muck about in that area of things? === viviersf [n=cain@gw.impilinux.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:51] mhb: hi === thekorn [n=thekorn@a89-182-2-41.net-htp.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:54] holycow: you want to just run normal ubuntu on it? [09:06] hi there === viviersf [n=cain@gw.impilinux.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:20] Riddell: pong, looking at it then === stub [n=stub@ppp-58.8.17.153.revip2.asianet.co.th] has joined #ubuntu-devel === coNP [n=conp@unaffiliated/conp] has joined #ubuntu-devel === superm1_ [n=superm1@ubuntu/member/superm1] has joined #ubuntu-devel === carlos_ [n=carlos@163.pool85-48-166.static.orange.es] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Zic [n=Zic@Final-Fantasy.FF-IRC.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:36] since there is an override system in place on launchpad, is there anything wrong with including a Section in the source part of debian/control? This would let the same packages then be uploaded to both PPAs as well as ordinary ubuntu without any source changes === dholbach [n=daniel@i59F73875.versanet.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Nuscly [n=nuscly@29-231.206-83.static-ip.oleane.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:39] good morning === seb128 [n=seb128@ubuntu/member/seb128] has joined #ubuntu-devel === allee [n=ach@dialin-212-144-128-190.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:52] congratulations everybody for rolling out tribe 5! [09:54] good morning, dholbach [09:55] hey Hobbsee === thom [n=thom@amnesiac.heapspace.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:57] dholbach: congrats to you too, you are part of the team you know ;) [09:57] seb128: oh gnome master, is there a gnome alternative for the clock on kde's kicker, with the timezones? === dholbach hugs seb128 [09:58] Hobbsee: the default clock in GNOME has timezone, right click, preferences, display several timezones [09:58] seb128: hmmm. i wonder why no one ever finds them then. thanks [09:58] dunno who is "no one", I know several people who found the option ;) [09:59] Hobbsee: kdeworldclock is something else then displaying different timezones. [09:59] coNP: oh, you wanted world clock. right. [09:59] seb128: no, it's one of the things that a whole bunch of people ask. but yes, some people are good at finding things ;) [09:59] Hobbsee: I am sure this is a relatively new feature. [10:03] seb128: dholbach: where is the upstream of pyspi? [10:04] tepsipakki: adding Virtual 1920 1200 doesn't work -- I still get 1280x768 [10:04] coNP: no idea :) === sahin_w [n=KT@210.216.53.194] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:06] coNP: right, it's new from the gutsy cycle === jono [i=jono@ubuntu/member/jono] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:08] Treenaks: hmm, worked for someone else [10:08] tepsipakki: I'll try to get a logfile, will that help? [10:08] it could, yes === dexem [n=dani@14.Red-88-26-177.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:11] doko: http://people.redhat.com/zcerza/dogtail/downloads.html [10:12] dholbach: zcerza was missing ... [10:12] thanks [10:15] dholbach, seb128: could you ask upstream about the build failure? [10:17] doko: gnome bug 423110? [10:18] ubugtu? ubotu? [10:18] ubotu: ping [10:18] host not found [10:18] ubugtu is long dead. [10:18] gnome bug 423110 [10:18] Gnome bug 423110 in general "pyspi fails to build with pyrex 0.9.5.1a" [Normal,Resolved: fixed] http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=423110 === atlas95_ [n=atlas@AVelizy-153-1-88-221.w90-2.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:22] dholbach: could you mark bug 128227 as forwarded? [10:22] Launchpad bug 128227 in pyspi "gutsy/amd64: ftbfs / autopkgtest failure" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/128227 [10:22] pitti: I can do the pending syncs if you want since I didn't do them on wednesday due to the freeze [10:23] seb128: if you have time for it, sure! I'll turn my attention to the NEW queue then === atlas95__ [n=atlas@AVelizy-153-1-88-221.w90-2.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:23] k, doing them === pitti hugs seb128 === seb128 hugs pitti [10:24] doko: done [10:28] morning pitti! [10:28] hey Hobbsee! === Hobbsee hugs pitti :) [10:29] pitti: Riddell well done on t5 [10:30] indeed (I already mailed him congrats), go Riddell! === atlas95 [n=atlas@AVelizy-153-1-88-221.w90-2.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:31] thanks guys [10:32] Riddell: :) === ssam [n=sam@87.127.117.246] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:35] yeah, great job Riddell === IntuitiveNipple [n=TJ@alexandros.tjworld.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === gicmo [n=gicmo@p5491C5F4.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === atlas95_ [n=atlas@AVelizy-153-1-88-221.w90-2.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel === viviersf [n=cain@gw.impilinux.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:52] superm1: including Section is fine, try to make it be at least valid though ;-) [11:01] pitti, did mpt have a look at the new printer tool ? [11:01] ogra: not that I know of === ogra is slighly shocked by the UI === heno [n=henrik@ubuntu/member/heno] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:02] my mother wouldnt be able to set up a printer with it (she was with edgy) [11:02] ogra: it's a bit different than g-c-m, indeed [11:02] ogra: OTOH you mostly don't need to worry any more, since printers are now automatically configured [11:03] well, indeed [11:03] GNOME guys are some bad comment on it as well [11:03] but to me that looks really like an expert tool compared to the old one [11:03] where the old UI was clean with only icon the new one is pretty tough [11:03] ogra: Tim Waugh is very responsive, if you have some suggestions how to improve the UI, just file a LP bug [11:04] yeah, it's a hard choice [11:04] a tool that looks easy and is broken vs. a tool that looks complex and actually works :/ [11:04] pitti, make it look like g-c-m :) the UI was intuitive and very easy to understand [11:04] where was it broken ? [11:04] Will most people ever have to touch much of s-c-m now? [11:05] s-c-p [11:05] i never had probvs with printing since warty ... neither anyone around me [11:05] cjwatson: Oops, yes. [11:05] ogra: lots of bugs and crashes, unmaintained upstream for years === Fujitsu finds g-c-m hangs a lot. [11:05] ogra: and lacking features like automatically scanning for network printers, etc. [11:06] ogra: and g-c-m doesn't provide the 'fully automagic printer configuration', which is a killer feature IMHO [11:06] ogra: we made a couple of UI improvement suggestions to Tim already, and he implemented them very fast [11:06] imho the new one is better [11:06] we just need to make the UI nicer [11:06] maybe add some icons [11:06] yeah [11:07] ogra: bug 132652 will help a bit, too, I think [11:07] Launchpad bug 132652 in system-config-printer "Please select an appropriate default in the tree view" [Wishlist,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/132652 [11:07] ogra: (was fixed upstream yesterday) [11:07] ah, cool [11:07] so that people get the form they most probably want by default [11:07] seb128: icons FTW! :) [11:07] but really, probably mpt should have a look ... [11:08] the tree view shuold probably be turned into a set of tabs (one per server) with icons for the printers in each [11:08] and one tab for the local server settings === Nicke [n=niclasa@ua-83-227-140-135.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:09] i think there is way to much information everywhere its crowded ... [11:10] it's quite a power tool indeed :/ [11:11] well, g-c-m had all that options (or many of them at least) somewhere as well but didnt look crowded [11:11] and too much text [11:12] ogra: I liked g-c-m's UI, too, but it just got unbearable; I guess that switch is painful, but we should aim at improving scp's UI now [11:12] drop the tabs, make every printer an icon and have the individual optiojns availabe via right click [11:13] Treenaks: there's a new ati-version for you to try [11:13] Treenaks: same webdir [11:13] whee avivo === cjwatson gets a sensible resolution on his iMac [11:13] still slightly odd swirly patterns and flickering though [11:15] pitti, also why is there an apply button ? === minghua [n=minghua@ubuntu/member/minghua] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:20] ogra: that should probably go as well, right [11:21] cjwatson, pitti, do you know why my patches haven't been accepted yet? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-restricted-modules-2.6.20/+bug/98641/comments/66 https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-restricted-modules-2.6.20/+bug/98641/comments/67 [11:22] Launchpad bug 98641 in linux-restricted-modules-2.6.20 "[nvidia-glx-new] NVidia driver missing libwfb" [High,Confirmed] [11:22] tseliot: just lack of time to look at them so far, I guess === norsetto [n=norsetto@host237-230-dynamic.20-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:22] tseliot: now, with feature freeze behind us, we concentrate on bug fixing, so might happen soon now [11:23] pitti: is there something I can do to help or shall I just wait and see? [11:23] tseliot: you can occasionally ask about the status in #ubuntu-kernel if the patches are tested and ready to be applied [11:23] tseliot: there are so many bugs that the kernel team might have difficulties to track which ones are low-hanging fruits [11:24] tseliot: but don't ping them too often, that distracts too much :) [11:24] pitti: thanks. I won't ping them at all ;) [11:24] tseliot: oh, it's worth a try doing it once at least [11:25] tseliot: I don't know how they prefer to mark such bugs === chand [n=rsamson@linagoraberri.pck.nerim.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:26] pitti: "mark such bugs"? because they affect proprietary drivers? [11:26] tseliot: like setting them 'in progress' or assign them to someone in particular, etc. [11:26] tseliot, because he doesnt know their workflow :) [11:27] pitti, ogra: ok [11:27] (sorry for the double request for MOTUs here) Would you guys say that this: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/34864/ is a MIT/Expat License? licensecheck reports it as unknown. [11:28] norsetto: MIT-style and not a problem [11:28] good, just checking as is not in COPYING [11:30] norsetto: it's not exactly the same but it's close enough for our purposes [11:31] cjwatson: yes, it seems pretty simplified, yet the spirit seems to be the same (a typical lawyer term, spirit ....) [11:32] do you want me to scare you? [11:32] doko: simdmath> /usr/spu/{include,lib}? that's a weird path [11:32] infinity: You and mathiaz discussed the samba "net usershare" stuff, did you not? === viviersf [n=cain@gw.impilinux.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:32] pitti: no. 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[12:48] Hobbsee: Right. === cjwatson [n=cjwatson@82-69-40-219.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:49] pitti: I was just about to ask you to regen the list at your earliest oppurtunity, but I think the cronjob will beat you. === zyga_ [n=zyga@ubuntu/member/zyga] has joined #ubuntu-devel === teolemon [n=pierre@clamwin/translator/teolemon] has joined #ubuntu-devel === sabdfl [n=sabdfl@ubuntu/member/pdpc.silver.sabdfl] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === viviersf [n=cain@gw.impilinux.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-devel === agoliveira [n=adilson@200.146.44.117.adsl.gvt.net.br] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Mez [n=Mez@ubuntu/member/mez] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jdstrand [n=james@mail.strandboge.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Kopfgeldjaeger [n=nicolai@p54AD607B.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ryu [n=chris@unaffiliated/ryu] has joined #ubuntu-devel === asisak [n=conp@unaffiliated/conp] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:25] bug 134471 [01:25] Launchpad bug 134471 in sudo "sudo puts the clock back twenty days" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/134471 [01:25] what a strange thing === Gasten [n=Gasten@h52n9c1o1095.bredband.skanova.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === zyga__ [n=zyga@210-227-017-234.jp.fiberbit.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:33] <\sh> Kmos, I don't think it's sudo [01:33] me too === Gman [i=gman@nat/sun/x-3303e02f71a76be4] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:38] "sudo -k" or "rm -rf /var/run/sudo/username" usually solves that [01:40] sudo doesn't contain any time-setting code AFAICS [01:40] however I know the reporter and he's not in the habit of being on crack [01:40] sudo stores a timestamp , -k clears it [01:41] cjwatson: ah, so an occasional user? [01:41] IntuitiveNipple: indeed but that is not the bug if you read more closely [01:41] IntuitiveNipple: the complaint is that sudo [or something] is messing with the system clock [01:42] Spads: ha === viviersf [n=cain@gw.impilinux.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:46] I can reproduce it here [01:46] Feisty 32-bit === gnomefreak [n=gnomefre@ubuntu/member/gnomefreak] has joined #ubuntu-devel === vincechen [n=vince419@61.146.2.58] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pedro_ [n=pedro@pc-65-202-214-201.cm.vtr.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === phanatic [n=phanatic@3e44b24a.adsl.enternet.hu] has joined #ubuntu-devel === bigon [i=bigon@imladris.bigon.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jwendell [n=wendell@ubuntu/member/wendell] has joined #ubuntu-devel === giskard [n=giskard@213-140-22-74.fastres.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:58] pitti: I've uploaded a new d-i to dapper-proposed that bumps to the new kernel ABI in -security, which I forgot to do the other week; please consider? [01:59] cjwatson: fine for me, but shouldn't we wait for the new -proposed kernel for dapper.2, too? === dendrobates [n=dendroba@adsl-065-005-186-012.sip.asm.bellsouth.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:01] pitti: probably, just seemed reasonable to bump it in case anyone's trying it now [02:01] right, can't hurt, I just wanted to mention that there will be another one === jamiemcc [n=jamie@82-32-8-26.cable.ubr02.azte.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:03] cjwatson: (accepted) [02:04] ta === zul [n=chuck@ubuntu/member/zul] has joined #ubuntu-devel === rodarvus_ is now known as rodarvus [02:16] iwj: how do you want to check if ldconfig is called from a maintainer script? checking /proc/$$PID/cmdline or something like that? === mathiaz [n=mathiaz@dsl-207-112-57-144.tor.primus.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel === viviersf [n=cain@gw.impilinux.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-devel === xxxxx1 [n=xxxxx1@200.174.45.170] has joined #ubuntu-devel === AlinuxOS [n=vsichi@host57-130-dynamic.1-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #ubuntu-devel === agoliveira is now known as agoliveira_brb === Gman is now known as GmanAFK [02:37] pitti: dpkg now sets an env far for the benefit of dpkg-trigger, so it's trivial. [02:37] iwj: ah, splendid === agoliveira_brb is now known as agoliveira === Kopfgeldjaeger [n=nicolai@p54AD607B.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:47] mjg59: hi [02:48] mjg59: I just see that you uploaded haze to debian === ziith [n=zith@90-227-135-155-no52.tbcn.telia.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:50] hi guys === jono [i=jono@ubuntu/member/jono] has joined #ubuntu-devel === cypherbios [n=cyr@ubuntu/member/cypherbios] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:51] i was wondering, what is the normal procedure for requesting a sotware to be packaged as an ubuntu package? [02:51] ziith: bug report [02:52] ziith: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Contributing#head-f4c6048b1531f4e4fe48f096350ea435d40ed9f5 [02:52] who can grant main freeze exception nowadays? [02:52] seb128: release team [02:52] I want to update pidgin from 2.1.0 to 2.1.1 (bug fix version, already in Debian) [02:52] seb128: sounds sane. [02:53] do I need to file some bugs or something or can I just go and upload? ;) [02:53] seb128: i think you can just go and upload, actually. you got my ack. [02:53] thanks [02:53] seb128: but then, we've just been doing universe processes, and i've not been on the main team before. === seb128 hugs Hobbsee === Hobbsee hugs seb128 :) [02:54] norsetto, Hobbsee: does this mean i will be expected to package it myself? In that case i will really need to brush up on my packaging skills. [02:54] ziith: if it's not in debian yet, yes :) [02:54] ziith: well, that's the quickest way to get it in. otherwise you can file a bug with the needs-packaging tag, and hope someone feels like doing it at some point [02:54] alright, thanks guys [02:55] ziith: if you can package, that the best obviously, but no, its not required === acm [n=acm@p54BC1587.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:55] seb128: wait a little bit before updating pidgin me and ari (debian maintainer) have made the split of libpurple out of the main package [02:56] seb128: svn://svn.debian.org/svn/collab-maint/deb-maint/pidgin/branches/pidgin-split-purple [02:56] bigon: I don't think we want to split the package during the freeze now [02:57] seb128: right [02:59] hi, I have a problem with removing linux-ubuntu-modules-2.6.22-9-generic. since the last release 2.6.22-8-generic there is a problem with removing this package. the post-removal script return 1. is there already a bug in lp? [03:00] acm: #ubuntu+1 for support === giskard [n=giskard@213-140-22-74.fastres.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === cr3 [n=marc@modemcable178.77-70-69.static.videotron.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:11] found a bug 122421 in lp for linux-ubuntu-modules. hope this problem will be solved asap. [03:11] Launchpad bug 122421 in linux-ubuntu-modules-2.6.22 "Unable to purge package" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/122421 === jtt [n=jtholmes@adsl-065-006-144-253.sip.asm.bellsouth.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:14] How can I do to make a package removed from the new queue? haze (uploaded by mjg59) was not made with the collaboration of the debian telepathy team. an other package for this software is waiting in the debian new queue === ion_ [i=ion@heh.fi] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:17] mjg59: ^^ ; can you work something out about this so we end up with one unified package? === jsgotangco [n=JSG@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:22] seb128: Bugs would be way too much overhead, just make sure the person you're asking has some modicum of authority to approve the upload. === wasabi_ [n=wasabi@cpe-76-184-122-13.tx.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:25] infinity: looks like I can just decide myself for desktopish updates then ;) [03:25] seb128: I'd prefer if you didn't. [03:26] I see [03:26] seb128: Bouncing it off someone else, even if you know best, gives you the required 5 minutes to think about it. [03:26] looks like you trust me to not screw :p [03:26] seb128: I don't trust any of us to not screw up. :) [03:26] ;) [03:26] hi there [03:31] infinity: oh, i must have forgotten that i dont actually count as part of the release team. [03:31] Hobbsee: No, no. You do. [03:31] Hobbsee: I meant "don't go asking a random coworker to check it, then upload". [03:31] infinity: ah right. couldnt tell which way you were inferring. [03:32] Hobbsee: We have a longstanding history of asking the closest person we can find for a review, and then calling it "good enough". [03:32] Hobbsee: Which, from the POV of release coordination, kinda loses. [03:32] infinity: ahhh. how useful [03:32] indeed. === Kopfgeldjaeger [n=nicolai@p54AD607B.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:33] infinity: sorry to bother you with that but ... got some time to look into the loadlin thing ? [03:34] Lutin: I do, but I don't. Rather busy setting up some buildds right now. [03:34] cprov: Can you help Lutin find his missing upload? [03:34] cprov: If you're just as busy as I am, I can do it later. [03:35] infinity: no problem... can wait anyway [03:35] infinity: do you know why my patches haven't been approved yet? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-restricted-modules-2.6.20/+bug/98641/comments/66 https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-restricted-modules-2.6.20/+bug/98641/comments/67 [03:35] Launchpad bug 98641 in linux-restricted-modules-2.6.20 "[nvidia-glx-new] NVidia driver missing libwfb" [High,Confirmed] [03:35] infinity: Lutin: can you ping back in, let's say, 15 minutes ? [03:35] cprov: sure [03:36] infinity: libnss-db when you aren't busy? Maybe? :-) === blackskad [n=blackska@d54C4A53D.access.telenet.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ryu [n=chris@unaffiliated/ryu] has joined #ubuntu-devel === davmor2 [n=davmor2@82-45-48-19.cable.ubr04.wolv.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-devel === tehk [n=tehk@c-69-249-157-157.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:46] infinity: the 2nd patch is for Gutsy. And the bug's importance is marked as "High". [03:46] tseliot: and the kernel team was on holidays last week, and they're getting to it... [03:48] Hobbsee: I didn't know. And mine wasn't a complaint. I wanted to make him notice that the bug affects Gutsy as well. [03:49] tseliot: but he's not in the kernel team. you'd do better in #ubuntu-kernel, etc [03:49] Hobbsee: oh, I thought that both he and BenC were in the kernel team === tkamppeter [n=till@bl10-9-23.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:50] tseliot: you might be thinking of kylem [03:50] hi pitti === mgalvin [n=mgalvin@ubuntu/member/mgalvin] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:51] Hobbsee: thanks. I'll go bug kylem then ;) [03:51] hi tkamppeter [03:53] pitti, it seems that the new cupsys (or something else in Gutsy) removes the admin (first) user from the lpadmin group, see bug 134503, bug 107766, and bug 132735, in the last one Paul Coleman's comment. [03:53] Launchpad bug 134503 in cupsys "cupsys 1.3 upgrade fails" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/134503 [03:53] Launchpad bug 107766 in system-config-printer "system-config-printer adds menu item the same as gnome-cups-manager's menu item" [Medium,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/107766 [03:53] Launchpad bug 132735 in system-config-printer "system-config-printer says "Not published", "See server settings" after selecting "Share published printers connected to this system", until restarting the tool" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/132735 === mgalvin [n=mgalvin@ubuntu/member/mgalvin] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jtt [n=jtholmes@adsl-065-006-144-253.sip.asm.bellsouth.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jtholmes [n=jtholmes@adsl-065-006-144-253.sip.asm.bellsouth.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:54] pitti, in the first two the comments of neuromancer. === Spads_ [n=spacehob@host-84-9-48-90.bulldogdsl.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === acm [n=acm@p54BC1587.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has left #ubuntu-devel [] [03:58] What needs to happen for a new task to show up in the tasksel in the installer? [03:58] openssh-server has been added to tasksel. [03:58] I would have thought a new d-i upload would be required, but tasksel is not a b-d of d-i? [03:59] soren, I can see openssh-server in tasksel? [03:59] pygi: In the installer as well? === rnorwood [i=rnorwood@nat/redhat/x-9ff713309b4fce6c] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:59] pygi: Tribe-5? === tseliot [n=tseliot@host38-226-dynamic.59-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has left #ubuntu-devel [] [03:59] soren, not installer (sorry), but newest upgrade, sure === Spads [n=spacehob@host-84-9-48-90.bulldogdsl.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:00] pygi: Sure. === mgalvin [n=mgalvin@ubuntu/member/mgalvin] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:00] Mithrandir: I suspect the best would be to sync from Debian once there's something there [04:01] who's checking ubuntu-release ? for main freeze exception [04:01] mjg59: ok [04:01] bug 132405 [04:01] Launchpad bug 132405 in xterm "Please sync xterm (229-1) from Debian unstable (main)" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/132405 === AlinuxOS [n=vsichi@host57-130-dynamic.1-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:02] Kmos: most likely the ubuntu-release people, with all their other bugs... === Hobbsee headdesks. === nixternal [n=nixterna@ubuntu/member/pdpc.active.nixternal] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:08] Hobbsee: just asking.. relax [04:08] Kmos: stupid questions get stupid answers. [04:08] and people bashing things === highvoltage gives Hobbsee a chocolate [04:09] highvoltage: \o/ [04:10] tkamppeter: that seems very fishy to me; cupsys doesn't delete any groups from any user === MacSlow [n=mirco@unaffiliated/macslow] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jono [i=jono@ubuntu/member/jono] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:13] cprov: ping ? === finalbeta [n=viper@d54C6865D.access.telenet.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:15] Lutin: right [04:15] Lutin: which binary are you looking for ? === alex-weej [n=alex@cpc2-darl3-0-0-cust237.midd.cable.ntl.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:17] cprov: loadlin i386. I fot a failed to upload mail [04:18] got* [04:18] can someone look at bug 132694 [04:18] Launchpad bug 132694 in ddclient "Please merge ddclient (3.7.3-2) from Debian unstable" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/132694 [04:18] because I'm not credible [04:18] :) [04:18] Lutin: what does the emails says, can you send it to me (cprov@canonical.com) [04:18] soren: doesn't need a new d-i upload, since tasksel isn't in the initrd [04:18] soren: the tasksel upload should've been sufficient [04:18] soren: provided of course that openssh-server.deb is actually on the CD [04:18] cprov: sure [04:19] cjwatson: The openssh-server is on the CD... Hmm... Which daily was promoted to Tribe-5? [04:20] soren: check the version of tasksel on your CD [04:20] soren: 20070823 [04:20] cprov: just forwarded [04:21] cjwatson: Hmm.. Stupid question: How? [04:21] soren: ls /cdrom/pool/main/t/tasksel [04:21] soren: the seed was modified on late 20070822 [04:21] mathiaz: but I didn't upload tasksel until the next day [04:21] cjwatson: the server cds were generated early in the day. [04:21] when the seed *structure* is changed (as opposed to just changing the contents of an existing seed), tasksel typically needs to be refreshed against it [04:22] mathiaz: indeed, I own the code containing the crontab [04:22] they were generated before my tasksel upload landed [04:22] cjwatson: Riddell triggered a manual build I think. [04:22] you know this is so easy to check rather than arguing about it [04:22] cjwatson: I've tested the server cd on my wednesday evening. [04:23] cjwatson: totally. [04:23] $ wget -q -O- http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/gutsy/tribe-5/gutsy-server-i386.list | grep tasksel_ [04:23] too old [04:23] /pool/main/t/tasksel/tasksel_2.67ubuntu3_all.deb [04:23] more recent dailies, if there are any yet, will have the fix [04:23] Yeah, it needed ubuntu4. [04:24] Ok, it's no problem then. [04:24] There's no bug, just bad timing. === Lure [n=lure@38.99.84.33] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:25] Lutin: the email is clear: [04:25] 02:19:02 WARNING Upload was rejected: [04:25] 02:19:02 WARNING Unable to identify file lodlin16.zip (byhand) in changes. [04:25] pitti, perhaps the problem is elsewhere, in the user management, installer, update management, ... [04:25] tkamppeter: maybe it's the infamous bug 26338 or so [04:25] pitti, who should we subscribe to this bug that he can check and fix that? [04:25] Launchpad bug 26338 in gnome-system-tools "Adding a user to a group modifies other users' groups and passwords" [Critical,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/26338 [04:25] tkamppeter: I followed up on the bug with some questions, but I have no idea ATM [04:26] Lutin: we don't support zip custom uploads (I doubt, it was your intention at all) [04:26] tkamppeter: we can try to reproduce it in vmware or so and narrow down the package which causes it [04:26] Strange is that such an old bug, marked as critical is not fixed yet. === pmatulis [n=pmatulis@modemcable178.77-70-69.static.videotron.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:27] cprov: humm weird, it got accepted for amd64 [04:28] i've found someone on launchpad that wants to help with improving the look of gnome-panel. i should i direct him? [04:28] Lutin: probably because the lodlin16.zip only built for arch-indep (i386) === jsgotangco [n=JSG@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-devel === azeem_ is now known as azeem === sbalneav [n=sbalneav@mail.legalaid.mb.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:31] cprov: the package is arch: i386 amd64, and I can't see anyting related to the arch in debian/rules === vincechen [n=vince419@61.146.2.58] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Demitar [n=demitar@c-212-031-190-120.cust.broadway.se] has joined #ubuntu-devel === hggdh [n=hggdh@pool-71-170-39-244.dllstx.fios.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jono [i=jono@ubuntu/member/jono] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:33] pitti, should we milestone bug 26338 for the beta? [04:33] Launchpad bug 26338 in gnome-system-tools "Adding a user to a group modifies other users' groups and passwords" [Critical,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/26338 [04:33] cprov: it's probably just never been uploaded to Ubuntu since the switch to soyuz [04:33] cprov: it'll be an intentional custom upload in Debian [04:33] Lutin: I'd just drop the dpkg-distaddfile from debian/rules [04:33] so that that element doesn't appear in .changes [04:34] cjwatson: ok === hggdh [n=hggdh@pool-71-170-39-244.dllstx.fios.verizon.net] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === dendro [n=dendroba@adsl-065-005-186-012.sip.asm.bellsouth.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:34] cjwatson: do we plan to support it too ? [04:34] cprov: I doubt it [04:35] cjwatson: how is it used in debian, users get the file from the archive directly ? [04:35] cprov: I think it goes onto CDs for use by people who need it [04:36] but we've never bothered with loadlin on our CDs, it's kind of old and crusty [04:36] cprov: and yes, the file is copied into /tools/ in the Debian archive === mpytasz [n=dduck@staticline17096.toya.net.pl] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:37] cjwatson: nahh, ok, maybe later, but it would be better modeled as another custom-upload-type (as a tarball too) === davmor2 [n=davmor2@82-45-48-19.cable.ubr04.wolv.blueyonder.co.uk] has left #ubuntu-devel [] [04:38] cprov: has to be a zip for the benefit of windows users. if we mess around with the filetype there's no point [04:38] cprov: it's entirely not urgent === giskard [n=giskard@213-140-22-74.fastres.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === AlinuxOS [n=vsichi@host57-130-dynamic.1-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mthaddon [n=mthaddon@canonical/launchpad/mthaddon] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:40] cjwatson: right, but it could be a zip inside a directory as a tarball ... but yet, technical issues later, we already have enough *issues* in our plates. === dendro is now known as dendrobates === agoliveira is now known as agoliveira_lunch [04:42] hello, does Ubuntu (non graphical) installer use unifont fonts ? === Hobbsee wonders who's archive day it is today [04:44] pitti, isn't it? [04:45] I need to know for example, which fonts are used for cyrillic (non graphical) interface. [04:45] er, dont worry. i cant read [04:46] AlinuxOS: yes, unifont, as I believe we've informed you before [04:46] Hobbsee: yep [04:46] pitti: sorry for the noise, i cant read. [04:46] cprov: I fail to see how that would help, since the desired result is to copy the zip file without changes into a non-versioned location in the archive [04:46] cjwatson, I remmember in the past there was no Georgian (console font) support... === EliasAmaral [n=dark@unaffiliated/EliasAmaral] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:47] AlinuxOS: we went through that at great length [04:47] but now http://www.unifont.org/fontguide/ georgian has 14 an 16 sized terminal fonts. [04:47] you supplied a patch for unifont to add it [04:47] cjwatson: it's just a certain 'cruft' required to re-use most the the custom-upload-parser code. [04:47] ah, maybe not you, it was Gia Shervashidze [04:47] the problem is that I can't visualise Georgian in terminal mode [04:47] cprov: that code is not useful here [04:48] cprov: it's designed for the /dists/$DIST/main/$FORMAT-$ARCH/ directories [04:48] I have some directories in Georgian: "New Directory" - " " [04:48] cjwatson: yes, right, something much simpler could be used [04:48] but I can't see them. [04:48] what would the point of reusing that code be when all you actually need is shutil.copy? [04:49] AlinuxOS: try 'sudo setupcon' [04:49] cjwatson, 14 was designed by Gia Shervashidze, 16 was designed by me. [04:49] I can only cite the changelog [04:51] http://www.unifont.org/fontguide/ I'm mentioned here but it has no importance :) [04:51] cjwatson, the problem is that I get rombs...not letters. [04:52] cjwatson, I'll show you a screenshot... [04:52] brbr [04:53] I don't know what a "romb" is, unless you mean a "rhombus" which is more usually called a diamond in English === ziith [n=zith@90-227-135-155-no52.tbcn.telia.com] has left #ubuntu-devel [] [04:54] but i guess he just means squares :) [04:54] third dimension in console fonts is rare ;) === dendrobates is now known as dendro-away [04:57] ogra: now that would be cool. perhaps a task for hte compiz guys? [04:57] GL console ? [04:57] that'd be funny := [04:57] :) [04:58] 3d console [04:58] 3d text, in a 3d console [04:58] might be useful for installers. [04:58] *wobbly* 3d text, in a 3d console [04:58] (in terms of accessibility) [04:58] and for partitioners in d-i [04:58] it's a unix system, I know this! [04:59] [ x ] View my disks in a cube [04:59] ogra: I understand a diamond as a two-dimensional shape === bwakkie [n=wakkie@213.219.170.193.adsl.static.edpnet.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:00] ogra: compare http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rhombus [05:00] gutsy questions here? [05:00] bwakkie: #ubuntu+1 [05:00] k [05:01] cjwatson, oh, right i was "germanizing" that :) a diamond is a gem for me :) [05:01] raute would be the common german name for it :) but rhombus would work too [05:01] seb128: thanks for processing the sync request but you synced to much in bug #133342 [05:01] Launchpad bug 133342 in zeroc-ice-csharp "[Sync request] Sync zeroc-ice-csharp (3.2.0-2) from Debian testing (main)" [Wishlist,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/133342 [05:02] hobbsee: Make the text *always* scroll/print slowly, make it stridulate, add a few meaningless graphs and scrollers and voil: you have the Hollywood terminal. [05:02] geser: we can only sync to the current version [05:02] ion_: neat! [05:02] geser: I didn't notice they updated it meanwhile [05:03] seb128: but it's possible to sync from testing in theory? [05:05] geser: yes, it is [05:05] cjwatson: Hm. Perhaps he means he gets the character, which perhaps happens to be shaped like a rhombus on his system. [05:05] geser: with some manual hacking we can also sync any other .dsc === bwakkie [n=wakkie@213.219.170.193.adsl.static.edpnet.net] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Leaving"] [05:07] geser: well the new version is not likely an issue there, sorry for the overlook [05:08] pitti, seb128: is there a way to make it more visible for you when a sync is not against unstable? to avoid such overlook in the future [05:08] hm, not sure; big red "NOT FROM UNSTABLE"? :) [05:09] geser: no, that was mentioned in the topic which is good enough [05:09] geser: is there anything wrong with the unstable version? that's only a minor revision [05:09] seb128: I just looked at the new diff.gz and the new version build-depends on icestorm > 3.2.1 (we have 3.2.0-7) [05:10] geser: either somebody need to update 3.2.0 as 3.2.1.is.3.2.0 or we sync icestorm === cr3 [n=marc@modemcable178.77-70-69.static.videotron.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:13] seb128: icestorm is build from zeroc-ice and there are 9 source packages starting with zeroc-ice. === AlinuxOS [n=vsichi@host57-130-dynamic.1-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:14] geser: well, it's an universe package, the new version is to debian, and there is several weeks before beta, I would say it should safe to sync those, that's only a minor version === finalbeta [n=viper@d54C6865D.access.telenet.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:15]