norsettoanyone knows how to check who sponsored a package!?12:39
LaserJockit's not easy12:39
ajmitchnorsetto: depends, what package was it?12:40
LaserJockyou can check the .changes and see what GPG key signed it12:40
norsettoLaserjock: OK, that would be in the build queue I guess12:41
norsettoajmitch: any package; I rather like to thank the person that sponsors my packages; I appreciate the work they are doing12:42
superm1norsetto, what packages?  i saw ScottK going over quite a few last night12:43
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norsettowell, the last two were gobby and battleball12:43
superm1hm didn't hear mentions of either12:43
norsettowell, anyhow, whoever that was: THANK YOU. I appreciate your work very much.12:45
LaserJockajmitch: did you see that we can now check out packages in the +queue ?12:46
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superm1LaserJock, that's pretty cool, i just saw that12:47
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gesernorsetto: gobby and battleball were sponsored by dholbach12:48
norsettogeser: the guy is crazy; is almost 1pm....12:48
norsettomake it 1 am :-)12:49
norsettogeser: how can you check it?12:49
gesercheck the signature from the mail on gutsy-changes12:50
norsettogeser: thanks12:51
gesernorsetto: it's easier if you still have those mails in mutt and dholbach's key in your keyring :)12:51
geserthe uploads got accepted now but the signature itself is older12:52
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norsettogeser: I'm not subscribed to that in any case, but I can check the archive .....12:52
geserbattleball: Signature made Wed 22 Aug 2007 11:58:37 CEST12:52
geserand gobby: Signature made Wed 22 Aug 2007 08:37:57 CEST12:53
norsettogeser: I see, so it can take quite a long time. I thought it was quicker than that12:53
norsettogeser: I mean, how do you guys know that a package has not yet been sponsored? the bug is still there and everything12:54
geserit only says when he signed the .changes files but not when he did the real upload12:54
geseryou usually comment on the bug when you did upload so others don't need to waste time uploading just to find out somebody else did12:55
norsettogeser: yeah, makes sense12:56
norsettooh well, as somebody said its 1pm, and old farts like me need their beauty sleep12:58
norsettogood night all12:58
ajmitchLaserJock: no, I didn't see that12:59
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ajmitchhello mr jml01:00
jmlthe entire screen should pulse red when batteries are low01:01
LaserJockajmitch: one more step towards complete MOTU domination :p01:03
ajmitchLaserJock: I'm not seeing the step...01:04
ajmitchjml: I prefer just having a nice soothing blue overlay on your desktop, with some white text explaining what is wrong01:04
LaserJockajmitch: it's one less thing that requires DC access01:05
ajmitchbut we had them at people.ubuntu.com01:05
LaserJockI'm saying that I believe that's the last step before it's technically possible for MOTU to process NEW01:06
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LaserJockbut I wasn't aware of that people.ubuntu.com link, that's good too01:07
ajmitchyeah I was reminded of it a day or two ago01:07
LaserJockprobably not, although they keep adding archive admins01:07
LaserJockat some point I can see them having a core-dev do it01:07
LaserJocknon-Canonical core-dev that is01:08
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bigonNobody for reviewing a new package? http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=5701:20
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pygibigon, people sleeping :p01:26
bigonpygi: I need some sleep too :o01:30
pygibigon, well, it's 1:30AAM :P01:30
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RAOFbryce: Ping, re bug #126255 - the snapshot is in the bzr branch that launchpad has apparently decided is inaccessible at the moment.02:08
ubotuLaunchpad bug 126255 in xserver-xgl "FTBFS" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/12625502:08
bryceraof, if you can post a tarball of that somewhere, I'd be happy to take a look at updating.02:09
RAOFI can do a more traditional package, if you like.02:10
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persiaI've just been preparing the final announcement for the next MOTU meeting, and noticed that there was a schedule conflict with the next Q&A session.  Does anyone have any suggestions regarding which should be rescheduled, or believe that the conflict should not matter?02:18
ubotumok: Channel logs can be found at http://people.ubuntu.com/~fabbione/irclogs02:21
RAOFbryce: Bug updated, with links to a source package and a bzr branch that you can actually pull from (stupid launchpad :()02:23
bryceraof, ahh excellent, thanks.  I'll take a look at it tomorrow02:24
RAOFbryce: It also contains the session files to fix the other wishlist bug.02:25
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leonelhello ..  I don't understand  this  apparmor  is a security addon for gutsy  and it's  in universe ..   would be better if it got  official support in main ??03:16
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ajmitchleonel: yes, and it is in main03:17
superm1leonel, it is in main for gutsy03:17
leonelwoot !  downloaded   packages.bz  from universe  and  it's there ..03:18
leonelchecked on  packages.ubuntu.com  and its  in main03:19
ajmitchthe only binary package I know of that it builds for universe is apparmor-modules-source03:19
leonelajmitch:  superm1  thanks03:19
ajmitchwhich isn't needed by most people03:19
leonelthat mistake  made me more paranoic ..03:20
leonelparanoid ..03:20
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soothsayerIs there a way to get a backtrace of a program that doesn't crash (it's stuck in a loop). A signal I can send?03:30
leonel  doh !    I was downloading   packages.bz  for feisty  thinking it was  gutsy ..03:33
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bddebianHeya gang06:20
bddebianHello tonyyarusso06:26
tonyyarussoHow's it going?06:26
bddebianOK thanks, you?06:30
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MarcChow do I get some GPL'd GIMP gradients included in a repo?06:31
tonyyarussoNot that great - see my Planet post today06:31
minghuaMarcC: I don't know, but why would you want to get them included in Ubuntu repo instead of sending them to gimp upstream?06:34
MarcCminghua: no idea really...I'll check with the gimp people, thanks06:35
superm1ouch tonyyarusso, that's pretty brutal to lose06:36
tonyyarussosuperm1: yeah :(  Still investigating options though.06:36
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bddebianGah, what category should a guitar tuning program go in??07:32
tonyyarussoaudio?  what are the choices?07:32
bddebianThat's a darn fine question.  I'm trying to find a reference for all of the categories07:34
_MMA_bddebian: What are you working with?07:36
bddebianThx btw07:37
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_MMA_bddebian: It could go a couple of ways I would guess. Maybe see whats listed in fmit's .desktop?07:39
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mayecowe have a tribe 5!08:00
mayeconice nice :D08:00
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coNPHey Ubunteros!09:23
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dholbachgood morning09:39
superm1_morning dholbach09:40
dholbachhey superm1!09:41
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coNPHey superm1. I won :D09:42
superm1haha coNP, so you did...09:42
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coNPNo, that is apt.09:43
dholbachyeah, absolutely09:43
superm1something about me never can understand the output of 'apt-get moo'09:43
coNPSubhuman: Maybe that's why you are not a MOTU yet :D09:46
coNPoh, sorry, I meant superm109:46
superm1soon enough, i guess i'll learn :)09:47
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coNPGood afternoon (I guess), Hobbsee!09:52
superm1dholbach, perhaps you'd know, i asked a little bit before you joined in -devel, but didn't get any responses.  if you include a Section in the source part of debian/control, is that alright when uploaded to ubuntu, since ubuntu has an override system?09:53
Hobbseeevening coNP!09:54
dholbachsuperm1: yeah, absolutely ok to add it09:55
superm1oh and in case my it wasn't clear in my sarcasm, congrats coNP :)09:55
coNPthanks, superm1 :)09:55
coNPBTW, do you know a Gnome application like KDE World Clock? :D09:55
HobbseecoNP: dont think there is one.  it'd be too useful.09:55
^^MAg^^there is on in Suse SLED SP109:56
superm1dholbach, great, that will make more universe source packages to work both in ubuntu and on a PPA (since PPAs dont have overrides)09:56
coNPActually I wonder if it would be hard to port.09:56
HobbseecoNP: [17:58]  <seb128> Hobbsee: the default clock in GNOME has timezone, right click, preferences, display several timezones09:58
superm1Hobbsee, woah, that is some neat stuff.  very useful10:03
Hobbseesuperm1: thank seb, i dont use gnome10:04
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dholbachsuperm1: I'll write to techboard now10:09
superm1thx dholbach :)10:09
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Hobbseedholbach: you'll be at the meeting in 4 hours?10:10
dholbachHobbsee: yes and running the q&a session simultaneously10:11
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coNPWow. :)10:15
coNPIs it a good practice to assign bugs to MOTU?10:15
HobbseecoNP: no10:15
coNPAnd should they be corrected?10:15
HobbseecoNP: subscribe u-u-s if they have patches, otherwies unsubscribe motu10:16
HobbseeMOTU is a team of people - but no one actually does anything with those bugs.10:16
coNPIt is incomplete.10:16
coNPI was wondering why it was assigned to MOTU.10:16
coNPI was going to close it for there was no answer from the submitter10:16
coNPAsked smart question & reassigned to myself :D10:17
Hobbseehehe :)10:17
coNPHobbsee: thanks for the ONTV green light.10:17
coNPThis can mean my very first upload :)10:18
Hobbseethen the person who marked it was likely incompetent, and didnt know what they were doing.10:18
HobbseecoNP: yay!  :)10:18
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coNPI guess I can dput package to ubuntu. Right?10:21
dholbachyou should10:21
HobbseecoNP: yep10:22
coNPToo late :)10:22
coNPAfter it got accepted I should mark the bug "fix released" and assign it to myself, right?10:22
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HobbseecoNP: yeah.  or uplaod it, and mark it as fix released.10:27
HobbseecoNP: most people wont touch it, if they see it's already well in progress10:28
HobbseecoNP: of course, there are exceptions, who you are then free to enlighten on bug ettiquite10:28
coNPWhat do you mean?10:28
HobbseecoNP: once you've uploaded the package, you can mark the bug as fix released (or use the changelog closing love)10:29
HobbseecoNP: so it doesnt really matter which bits in particualr you do - it's more for notifying anyone curious of what is happening.10:29
coNPYes. I forgot that, but will use it in the future. Yes, I also thought that "fix released" is the most important part so that poor MOTU UVF team does not need to check it again and again :)10:30
HobbseecoNP: then agian, there are some people, who i wont name names, who like going and changing bugs at random.  those you are welcome to harrass10:30
HobbseecoNP: exactly :)10:30
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Hobbseeer, s/harrass/politely inform about bug ettiquite, with a large brick, if needed/10:30
Hobbseedholbach: what's the protocol on adding people to the MOTU council?10:36
Hobbseeout of curiousity?10:36
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Q-FUNKdidn't Ubuntu use to publish diffs as a series of split patches?10:36
HobbseeQ-FUNK: patches.ubuntu.com/by-release/10:37
HobbseecoNP: or at least, that's my understanding.  i may be wrong10:39
Q-FUNKHobbsee: hmm... nope, that's not it.  those are unified diffs.10:39
coNPBTW if I upload packages should I include the origtargz at for the first time and omit for next uploads, right?10:39
coNPI mean <M>ubuntu1 with the orig.tar.gz and <M>ubuntu<N> versions without one.10:40
HobbseecoNP: if the same orig.tar.gz is in the ubuntu archive, you dont need to upload it again.10:41
HobbseecoNP: as in, so ubuntu or debian revisions you dont need to, but a new upstream release you do10:41
coNPYes. That is I was right to upload ontv orig.tar.gz, but for possible future fix uploads I don't need this again10:41
Hobbseeor for a merge10:41
Hobbseeyeah, i think so10:41
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Q-FUNKdholbach: what was the rationale behind dropping database support for planner, again?10:55
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norsettomorning all11:22
coNPhey norsetto11:22
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norsettoWould you guys say that this: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/34864/ is a MIT/Expat License? licensecheck reports it as unknown.11:24
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Jazzvanorsetto: I wouldn't... Especially because of this: the unknown license "with or without fee", MIT/Expat "free of charge"...11:34
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norsettoJazzva: yes, its more permissive11:36
JazzvaAnd: unknown license "Permission to use, copy, modify, and distribute"; MIT/Expat: "to use, copy, modify, merge, publish, distribute, sublicense, and/or sell"... The first one doesn't forbig the rest that's in MIT/Expat's license, but it also doesn't exclusivly permits it...11:36
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norsettojazzva: actually its the "same", with or without fee and the MIT says sell11:38
norsettowhat the heck, I will ask to my lawyer11:39
Jazzvanorsetto: :)... I'm not really good in licenses...11:39
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norsettojazzva: my lawyer is, she is actually specialised in software IP rights11:41
Jazzvanorsetto: That's good :)...11:42
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TheMusodholbach: I'm about to do gnome-orca/gnome-speech now. Ok if I ping you when they are ready for upload?11:47
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coNPNo. I am wrong. gnome-phone has none (bug 134229).11:52
ubotuLaunchpad bug 134229 in gnome-phone-manager "Please update gnome-phone-manager to 0.10" [Wishlist,Incomplete]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/13422911:52
norsettoDarkSun88: Hi there11:52
DarkSun88Hi norsetto11:52
coNPBut I stop spamming for now :)11:52
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dholbachTheMuso: absolutely11:54
norsettodholbach: daniel, can we have a little talk (30 sec max)?11:55
TheMusodholbach: Ok Thanks.11:55
dholbachnorsetto: of course11:56
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coNPmok0: reviewing wulfware now :)12:23
coNPmok0: not advocating, but most parts seem to be okay :)12:31
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gesermok0: wulfware/xmlsysd: you shouldn't depend on update-inetd (which doesn't work with xinetd), it's the job of the inetsuperserver to depend on update-inetd.12:41
gesermok0: and drop netkit-inetd from depends: it was replaced with openbsd-inetd and you already depend on the inet-superserver virtual package12:43
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TheMusodholbach: gnome-orca: http://www.themuso.id.au/ubuntu/gnome-orca - I will have gnome-speech done shortly. Just waiting for a test build.12:47
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gesermok0: please use lsb functions in the init script12:48
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dholbachTheMuso: rock on - will check it out in a bit12:48
mok0geser: elaborate, please12:48
mok0geser: I don't know what lsb functions you mean and for what purpose I should call them12:50
StevenKRAOF: Around?12:51
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gesermok0: . /lib/lsb/init-functions in you init script and use the log_*_msg functions instead of echo to print the output12:51
mok0geser: Ah, ok, thx. Will do12:51
gesermok0: see the other init-scripts in /etc/init.d how they use them12:52
TheMusodholbach: gnome-speech: http://www.themuso.id.au/ubuntu/gnome-speech12:52
Fujitsu:O impossible, I got assigned an AM12:52
mok0geser: sure12:52
StevenKFujitsu: Who was assigned to you?12:52
mok0geser: did you notice anything else?12:52
FujitsuStevenK: zorglub12:53
StevenKThat nick doesn't ring a bell with me.12:53
mok0geser: It's the most complicated package I've done yet, so there can easily be things I've missed12:53
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StevenKcore-devs are exempt.12:54
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=== Fujitsu wonders if he can convince someone to upload a new soundconverter to Debian.
=== coNP reviews a package if Hobbsee reviews one of my UVFe requests. :)
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gesermok0: as you shouldn't depend on update-inetd (there was a discussion about it on deb debian-devel-ML) you should check in xmlsysd.post{inst,rm} if update-inetd is executable12:55
HobbseecoNP: which one?12:55
HobbseeStevenK: no, you're not12:55
coNPHobbsee: bug 13422912:55
ubotuLaunchpad bug 134229 in gnome-phone-manager "Please update gnome-phone-manager to 0.10" [Wishlist,Incomplete]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/13422912:55
HobbseeFujitsu: you cant hide.12:56
HobbseeFujitsu: and i'd try a DD for soundconverter12:56
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gesermok0: that's all I've found on a first look12:56
FujitsuHobbsee: There is a DD lurking :P12:57
HobbseecoNP: done12:57
HobbseeFujitsu: indeed.  so do a review, then poke him12:58
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=== Fujitsu reviews.
Hobbseesoren: ping12:58
coNPThanks, Hobbsee.12:58
HobbseeScottK: ping12:59
norsettoFujitsu: would you minding me into merging apt-watch?01:01
coNPDo you think it is worth accepting a package that is likely to be included in Texlive in Gutsy+1 (http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=23)?01:02
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Hobbseenorsetto: looking at the changelog, that should be a sync.01:02
Hobbseenorsetto: depending on what the apt deps are01:02
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norsettoHobbsee: well, the build-depends should still be updated, no?01:03
Hobbseenorsetto: it's only going to be building for gutsy anyway, which will likely be higher than the version mentioned in the control file.01:04
Hobbseeassuming its' only a version thing.01:04
Fujitsunorsetto: I believe it will be a sync, but I haven't touched it in ages.01:04
HobbseeFujitsu: you did the last apt rebuild for it01:05
gesernorsetto: I guess the build-depends was only bumped to ensure that it got build with the recent apt at that time01:05
FujitsuHobbsee: I don't think that really counts as touching.01:06
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HobbseeFujitsu: indeed.01:06
norsettoright, so its just a question of checking, and it it build its a sync01:06
Hobbseegeser: yeah, that's the usual logic.01:06
StevenKHobbsee: buoh reviewed01:06
Hobbseegeser: of course, apt's a bit of a pain of a package, so...01:06
HobbseeStevenK: yay!01:06
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StevenKHeh, I try.01:07
Lutin(don't know if it should be kept but the apt version in apt-watch in not the only change, we use libgamin instead of libfam)01:07
HobbseeLutin: then i suck.01:07
HobbseeLutin: i wonder why i didnt mention it in the remaining changes...01:08
norsettolutin: indeed01:08
Lutin+ an added buildded on gdk-pixbuf01:08
norsettoluting: yeah, would you know why that?01:08
LutinHobbsee: maybe it was part of 'Retaining ubuntu builddep changes' you mentionned01:09
norsettolutin: was checking and only libgdk-pixbuf-gnome-dev depends on it01:09
HobbseeLutin: oh, point01:09
norsettook, let me check how it builds with just libgamin instead of libfam01:10
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Lutinnorsetto : the libgdk-pixbuf-dev thing is no longer needed, it has to ne dropped01:24
coNPHobbsee: reviewed latex-cleveref01:24
norsettolutin: good, I just building without it :-)01:24
HobbseecoNP: \o/01:24
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coNPHobbsee: can you please harden the state of bug 119796 with a brick? Sync has been approved by the MOTU UVF before, but it is not enough for everyone :(01:25
ubotuLaunchpad bug 119796 in openbox "Please sync openbox (universe) from Debian unstable (main)." [Wishlist,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/11979601:25
ScottKHobbsee: pong01:26
Lutinnorsetto: actually - the builddep was removed from the debian package 2 years back01:26
HobbseeScottK: i'm looking to get our uvf people together for a meeting, but we're missing 2.01:27
Hobbseewill try to get people at teh end of the meeting01:27
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norsettolutin: yep, builds without any problem01:27
HobbseecoNP: looks done to me...they'll do it with confirmed.01:28
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Lutinnorsetto: yep. would have been weird as apt-watch doesn't use it01:28
coNPHobbsee: yes, but https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/openbox/+bug/119796/+activity shows this might change any time01:28
ubotuLaunchpad bug 119796 in openbox "Please sync openbox (universe) from Debian unstable (main)." [Unknown,Fix released] 01:28
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coNPWhy do people think they should override (1) the bug assignee, (2) the MOTU-UVF, (3) the package archive admins... :(01:29
HobbseecoNP: true.01:29
HobbseecoNP: er, who did that?01:29
coNPHobbsee: I give you 1 try.01:29
HobbseecoNP: was this before or after i yelled at him for it?01:30
coNPIt was right now.01:30
coNPErr... it is frustrating when you work on bugs, get them approved by the MOTU-uvf and wait for the archive admins and see your bug changed back ...01:30
HobbseeKmos: ping01:30
HobbseecoNP: agreed.01:30
HobbseecoNP: oh, he's assigned motu-uvf *again*, and changed the description?01:31
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coNPBTW partially he did the right thing as I forgot to put parts of the changelog into the description (because it was attached as a changelog.diff)01:32
KmosHobbsee: hi01:32
HobbseeKmos: can you tell me what i said to you about changing other people's bugs, including sync requests?01:33
KmosHobbsee: not to change them.. i've added the new version to the changelog01:33
HobbseeKmos: and subscribed motu-uvf?01:33
Kmosand set motu-uvf01:33
HobbseeKmos: why?01:33
HobbseeKmos: how is that included in the "do not change them?"01:33
Kmosmaybe because need to re-check ?01:33
ScottKSo how is that "Not chaniging"01:33
mok0geser: I was away, I saw your comment on update-inetd01:34
ScottKWhich big is it?01:34
KmosScottK: I only do that because I see a new version01:34
HobbseeKmos: no, it doesnt.  remember that people *usually* know what they're doing.01:34
HobbseeKmos: so to go and hijack their bug is Very Bad (tm)01:34
KmosHobbsee: *usually*, i only try to help..01:34
HobbseeKmos: especially without asking them first.01:34
ScottKKmos: You were told "Don't change", you understand that, and yet you do it anyway.01:34
ScottKNot OK.01:35
coNPI am *usually* available here. And *usually* ask for a sync from the latest version.01:35
HobbseeKmos: well, you annoy people when you hijack bugs.  you may want to help in another way (like, working on bugs that people arent already working on)01:35
ScottKcoNP: Which bug number?01:35
HobbseeScottK: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/openbox/+bug/11979601:35
ubotuLaunchpad bug 119796 in openbox "Please sync openbox (universe) from Debian unstable (main)." [Unknown,Fix released] 01:35
coNPScottK: actually you approved that :)01:36
coNPWith Hobbsee together.01:36
HobbseeKmos: usually, the updater will ask us if it needs a re-request, or if anything else needs to happen.  you dont need to come and do that.01:36
HobbseeKmos: (because they likely already have, and it's not documented on the bug)01:36
KmosHobbsee: i don't know that one :(01:36
HobbseeKmos: dont understand, or did not know previously?01:37
mok0geser: so I check if update-inetd is executable, but what if it isn't? Abort or try to salvage?01:37
KmosHobbsee: don't know really01:37
ScottKKmos: WHat part of don't change other people's bugs is confusing you?01:37
KmoscoNP: first sorry again :( i think i'm doing something to help01:37
coNPKmos: thumb rule. If the bug is assigned to someone or to some team do not ever change its state.01:37
HobbseeKmos: dont know *now*, or didn't know *then*?01:38
KmosScottK: not anymore..01:38
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KmosHobbsee: I know now :)01:38
HobbseeKmos: cool :)01:38
HobbseeKmos: then i hope we wont have to have this discussion again :)01:38
ScottKKmos: I doubt it.  You know until the next time you think it would be helpful to ...01:38
KmosHobbsee: I hope too01:38
HobbseeScottK: calm down...01:38
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KmosScottK is always a bit nervous01:38
Kmoswith me, ofcourse :)01:39
HobbseeKmos: he's seen too much of your screwups, and is skeptical of whether you've learned01:39
norsettolutin: bug 134490. do you want to sponsor it?01:39
ubotuLaunchpad bug 134490 in apt-watch "Please merge apt-watch (0.3.2-9) from Debian unstable (main)" [Undecided,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/13449001:39
KmosHobbsee: people are not perfect and do mistakes.01:39
HobbseeKmos: indeed.  which is why "ask questions first, act later" :)01:40
mok0geser: forget about last question I understand it now01:40
HobbseeKmos: but as long as you keep learning, you'll be fine01:40
KmosHobbsee: i think that too01:40
Kmosi'm waiting for ddclient for long time and nothing was been done01:40
HobbseeKmos: it's in the queue.01:40
Hobbseelike many things01:40
Kmosif I ask here for it again.. someone kill me01:40
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Hobbseequite likely.01:41
KmosHobbsee: currently is not working at ubuntu..01:41
Hobbseesomeone will get to the queue01:41
Kmosbecause you the dyndns.com stuff01:41
KmosHobbsee: i'm still waiting and doing other stuff :)01:41
HobbseeKmos: cool. pick bugs that others *arent* already working on.01:41
HobbseeKmos: there are 30000 in the system, i'm sure you can find some :)01:42
KmosHobbsee: i understand that :) don't need to mention again01:42
Hobbseei think01:42
Kmosi've 248 on my bug list01:42
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\shsocial problems can't be solved technical ;)01:44
dholbachMOTU Q&A session in ~15 minutes!01:44
TheMusodholbach: Isn't there the meeting as well?01:45
FujitsuErm, meeting, isn't it?01:45
dholbachmeeting in #u-meeting01:45
dholbachQ&A session #u-motu01:45
dholbachsorry for the confusion and double booking01:45
FujitsuThat sounds slightly counter-productive.01:45
dholbachthat was entirely my fault01:45
dholbachit's just too late to change now and the meeting agenda seems short anyway01:46
Hobbseedholbach: so another daed meeting.01:46
dholbachHobbsee: it's important we have them regularly01:47
Hobbseedholbach: it's important there is life in them01:47
TheMusothe agenda is only fixed items01:47
dholbachwe won't make up agenda items just for the sake of it :)01:47
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TheMusonorsetto: You could mention it under other business.01:49
coNPYou should ask this question when the Q&A session begins :)01:49
norsettooh my god, just got an email from the IRS!!!01:50
norsettowife just called for lunch, will be a bit late in both events (not that anyone will notice :-))01:51
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mok0geser: so, summarizing, 1) dependencies and 2) post* scripts?01:52
mok0geser: never mind, looking at revu now01:54
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coNPmok0: I also sent some comments to REVU01:58
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dholbachwelcome to the MOTU Q&A sessions!02:00
dholbachso who of you is currently going through the MOTU Mentoring process or plans to become a MOTU soon?02:01
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dholbachcoNP just recently joined the MOTUs and did great work on the Desktop - if you have desktop questions, be sure to ask him :)02:01
=== dholbach makes a note to assign reviews to coNP in the future :)
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=== mok0 puts up his hand
dholbachdoes anybody have packaging related questions? problems with any packages?02:02
dholbachhey mok0 - how are you doing?02:02
mok0Working on the wulfware package.02:03
dholbachmok0: nice - is that a new package?02:03
mok0Yes, a suite of programs for monitoring a cluster02:03
dholbachwoah rocking02:03
dholbachdid anybody help you with getting that rolling?02:03
mok0We've used it here for several years02:04
=== jrib is here just to see what others ask
dholbachwelcome jrib - if you have any questions or anything, just shout :)02:04
dholbachmok0: so how is packaging it coming along?02:04
mok0It's close to being ready. There are a few outstanding issues with init scripts and maintainer scripts02:05
mok0The package contains an inetd controlled daemon02:05
mok0... it complicates matters that you cant ccount on xinetd being installed... :-(02:06
dholbachright :-/02:06
dholbachbut it sounds like you're doing well02:06
dholbachwho did reviews of your package up until now?02:06
mok0I'm on top up it ;-)02:06
dholbachgood :)02:06
mok0I have ~10 years of RedHat experience02:07
dholbachnorsetto did some great work on organising mentoring and packaging himself - do you have any questions?02:07
Hobbseedholbach: can i have a pony?02:07
geserwhat do you want a pony for?02:08
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Hobbseei want a psychic pony to do everything i want.02:08
bigoncould someone have a look at http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=57 (it's a new pkg)02:08
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dholbachok, in absence of other questions, let's have a look all together at bigon's package02:09
mok0What does it do?02:09
ubotuThe packaging guide is at http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/packagingguide/C/index.html - See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Packages/New for information on getting a package integrated into Ubuntu - Other developer resources are at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DeveloperResources - See also !backports02:09
geserHobbsee: too late, that one is already given away: http://loldebian.files.wordpress.com/2007/06/pony-small1.png02:09
mok0So, we use dget to download it?02:10
dholbachdget -x http://revu.tauware.de/revu1-incoming/tapioca-glib-0708240240/tapioca-glib_0.14.0.2~svn20070727-0ubuntu1.dsc02:10
Hobbseegeser: heh :P02:10
dholbachbigon: I notice that debian/copyright mentions LGPL 2 and it's 2.1 in the header of files02:11
dholbachI have the following script in ~/bin/check-copyright             "find . -name '*.java' -name '*.pl' -name '*.pm' -name '*.c' -o -name '*.h' -o -name '*.cpp' -o -name '*.cc' -o -name '*.hh' -o -name '*.py' | xargs head | less"02:11
dholbachand find that helpful with reviewing02:11
mok0dholbach: what's the copyright on your script :-)02:12
dholbachhehe, public domain ;)02:12
dholbachconfigure.in has 0.14.0, but debian/changelog "tapioca-glib ( gutsy; urgency=low"02:13
Hobbseedholbach: is that in the developer tools in bzr?02:13
dholbachsorry, need to close the windows, thunderstorm coming up02:13
dholbachHobbsee: dunno yet02:13
geseraren't -dbg packages created automatically so no need to create them in debian/control?02:14
dholbachyeah, we have -dbgsym packages, so for Ubuntu that's a bit pointless02:15
mok0It's GPL 2.1 and not 2 as debian/copyright says02:15
ScottKmok0: You mean LGPL 2.1?02:16
geserbigon: you can drop the -dbg package02:16
dholbachbigon: how did you generate the tarball?02:16
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mok0copyright says LGPL202:17
bigongeser: well debian don't generate debug packages02:17
mok0script says LGPL2.102:17
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dholbachis this package in debian already?02:17
sorenHobbsee: pong02:17
geserah, I see it now. It's an update for an existing package and not a completely new one02:18
bigondholbach: in the new queue02:18
dholbachapart from that it looks ok to me02:19
dholbachjust running a test build02:19
Hobbseesoren: uvf team is getting together to decide on some things soonish.  got a preferred time?02:20
mok0my pbuilder has some problems locating dependencies02:20
sorenHobbsee: Soonish as in "a few hours" or as in "a few days"?02:20
Hobbseesoren: either.  please see -meeting02:20
mok0intltool_0.35.5-4_all.deb  Unable to fetch file02:20
dholbachcan somebody reactivate my account on REVU?02:21
dholbachmok0: are you on feisty?02:22
mok0In debian/control, I see a field "Uploaders:" -- is that used in Ubuntu?02:22
geserdholbach: did you tried to recover your (new) password?02:22
dholbachmok0: no, it's not; but as this is a package that goes into Debian, it makes sense for them and we keep it02:22
dholbachgeser: yes, it says "None"02:22
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dholbachhey _czessi02:23
Hobbseedholbach: which address did you use to register?02:23
mok0OK, and same for "XS-Vcs-Bzr:" ??02:23
dholbachHobbsee: http://revu.tauware.de/lostpw.py?email=dh@mailempfang.de02:23
dholbachmok0: no, we use that too02:23
dholbachmok0:    apt-get source   tells you about it, when you're about to get source for a package02:23
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dholbachdoes anybody else have questions about packaging or a different package?02:23
=== coNP is here again. And does not complain if he has to review some packages. At least not for now :)
mok0What does the priority field mean?02:24
dholbachmok0: nothing to Ubuntu02:24
mok0I've been told to put "Optional" in there02:24
mok0this one has "extra"02:25
dholbachwe override it anyway, as far as I know the only difference it makes is using 'essential'02:25
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dholbachdpkg will inform you about that, when you try to purge an essential package02:25
mok0... which nothing in universe is, I guess...02:25
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xxxxx1morning people02:26
dholbachgeser, Hobbsee: any idea on why I can't login?02:26
dholbachhi xxxxx102:26
xxxxx1hey dholbach :)02:26
Hobbseedholbach: yeah.02:26
coNPHey xxxxx102:27
xxxxx1coNP !02:27
geserdholbach: no, you need siretart or sistpoty for help02:27
Hobbseedholbach: is it time critical?02:27
Hobbseegeser: i should be able to do it as well02:28
coNPdholbach: I guess if you upload something you can get your password back.02:28
dholbachHobbsee: no, I would just have liked to comment the package with the few things we found02:28
dholbachbigon: did you file a needs-packaging bug for that package? if so, I would add my comments there02:28
dholbachcoNP: aha?02:28
Hobbseedholbach: cool.  i cant fiddle with REVU and run a meeting point at the same time, unfortunately02:29
=== dholbach just uploaded something to REVU to see if that makes it work
dholbachdoes anybody else have questions about packaging or a different package?02:30
bigondholbach: no I didn't02:30
dholbachbigon: ok, then I'm sorry, I can't add those comments02:30
mok0I'd like to ask about the init script, then02:31
mok0I'll pastebin it, hang on02:31
dholbachfire away02:31
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norsettosorry guys, was having lunch02:32
mok0geser tells me to use lsb functions, is that a complete rewrite?02:33
dholbachno, it's just in the messages iirc02:33
bigondholbach: https://bugs.launchpad.net/debian/+bug/13450402:33
ubotuLaunchpad bug 134504 in ubuntu "[needs-packaging]  tapioca-glib" [Undecided,New] 02:33
Hobbseedholbach: did it work?02:33
jribhere's a question: how hard is it to rename a package?02:34
Hobbseedholbach: try another p/w recover02:34
dholbachHobbsee: it was not accepted yet02:34
dholbachjrib: just the binary package or the source package?02:34
jribdholbach: binary02:34
dholbachjrib: in any case you have to make sure that rdepends are fixed02:34
=== Hobbsee notes that dholbach could technically go and change it himself
gesermok0: no, just source /lib/lsb/init-functions and use the log_*_msg functions instead of echo for output. the rest is the same02:35
dholbachjrib: you have to make sure that you have proper replaces/conflicts02:35
dholbachjrib: and you might have to tell the archive admins that push it into main if it was there before, etc02:35
mok0geser: got it02:35
dholbachjrib: I think that's about it02:35
dholbachok super - any other questions?02:36
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dholbachlooks like we get a lot of stuff tackled in here :)02:36
dholbachnorsetto: shoot02:36
norsettowell, its not really a technical question02:36
dholbachhat's ok02:37
dholbachthat's ok :)02:37
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norsettoI've stumbled against some packages while doing merges/sync/updates etc.02:37
norsettowhich, quite frankly, were in a bit of a bad shape02:37
dholbachbad shape as in how?02:37
dholbachoutdated upstream version?02:38
dholbach'old-fashioned packaging'?02:38
norsettowell, full of warning/errors, bad licenses, missing dependancies, etc.02:38
norsettobad changelogs, you name it ....02:38
dholbachthe thing is: if you do those changes, we have to carry the diff02:39
norsettonow, what is the best course of action? suppose its just a merge, should the packager also correct these errors?02:39
norsettodholbach: exactly02:39
dholbachfor example I would not do an ubuntu1 upload just change the Standard-Version from 3.5.2 to 3.7.102:39
dholbachif it's something that's important and makes a difference for our users02:39
dholbachor helps to clarify the license or something02:39
dholbachthen I'd do that change02:39
dholbachtry to be pragmatic about it02:40
norsettodholbach: right, but what about licenses?02:40
norsettodholbach: the user don't really care02:40
dholbachof course, but we do02:40
dholbachCanonical might get in trouble for shipping wrong license information02:40
dholbachor we'd have to remove it from the archive or things like that02:40
norsettowell, we do have some packages which are a mess license-wise ....02:41
gnomefreakanyone have the address for fridge meetings? ive been all over the site nad still cant find the schedule02:41
norsettowe just inherit from debian02:41
dholbachif you really want the package to be in a good shape and are not afraid to carry the diff for a while and really care abou it, do the changes and forward the patches to the debian bts02:41
dholbachgnomefreak: fridge-devel@lists.ubuntu.com02:41
dholbachnorsetto: we can only fix packages we come across02:41
gnomefreakdholbach: sorry i meant web address im trying to set my calendar to the meetins schdule02:42
dholbachgnomefreak: hang on02:42
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gnomefreakah ty02:43
dholbachany other questions?02:44
dholbachany packages? packaging problems? unclear documentation? processes?02:44
norsettoyes, actually it would be nice to have some feedback on docs02:44
ScottKmok0: One other comment on your init script: In Ubuntu /var/run is a tempfs, so your init can't assume that the PID dir will exist.02:44
dholbachnorsetto: fire away02:45
norsettodholbach: well, I was hoping to get questions :-)02:45
ScottKmok0: Also the PID file should go in /var/run/packagename, not /var/run directly.02:45
dholbachnorsetto: ah ok :)))02:46
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dholbacheverybody hug norsetto :)02:46
porthosedo you still have to be a beta tester to get a ppa02:46
norsettooh OH02:46
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dholbachporthose: "You must be an Ubuntero (i.e. have signed the Ubuntu Community Code of Conduct), a member of the Launchpad Beta Testers team and have uploaded your GPG key all in your user profile in the dogfood environment."02:46
dholbachporthose: so I recommend talking to mrevell on #launchpad about that02:47
norsettoI would perhaps add a reference in the wiki pages to the debian policy; its really a basic document that every packager should know by heart (I think)02:47
porthosek thanks02:47
\shdholbach, which is useless...no commercial vendor will sign the CoC ,-)02:47
dholbach\sh: it's far from useless02:47
dholbachnorsetto: I think it's in http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Documentation - no?02:48
norsettodholbach: hmmm, don't think so02:48
\shdholbach, let's say it the other way around: it makes no sense...PPAs right now are not useful for third party vendors..or for community people like the motus who are providing packages with universe build-deps...right?02:49
\sh(regarding the documentation of PPAs from 1.1.8 changelog)02:49
Hobbsee\sh: you can use the overrides02:49
norsettoI mean, whenever I have a doubt, 90% of the time the answer is there, ready to be read02:49
dholbach\sh: why are they not useful for MOTUs?02:50
dholbachnorsetto: exactly02:50
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\shdholbach, regarding the documentation (quick start guide) it tells the reader that universe/multiverse can't be used for building, just packages from main02:51
dholbachnorsetto: if it's not on there, we should definitely add it in a prominent place02:51
norsettodholbach: ok, I'll take care of that02:52
\shif LP would be so nice to respond my http request...I could underline that with a quote...but02:52
dholbach\sh: where does it say that?02:52
\shdholbach, they changed it02:53
norsettodholbach: i would also like to pump up a bit the FAQ, anything you guys would like to see addressed there?02:53
dholbach\sh: ok good02:54
dholbachnorsetto: we should ask people who get their questions answered on ubuntu-motu-mentors@ to write a small paragraph on that page :)02:54
ScottKnorsetto: Don't take stuff out.  Last time someone pimped the FAQ I had to go back and put some technically important stuff back in.02:54
dholbachScottK: I thought norsetto wanted to *add* stuff? :)02:54
\shah no02:55
ScottKdholbach: That's what he said, just making sure.02:55
\shdholbach, Quote: "Dependencies: Your package's Build-Depends will always be satisfied using:02:55
\sh    *02:55
\sh      the latest packages from the PPA you're uploading to02:55
\sh    *02:55
\sh      the main Ubuntu archive.02:55
sorenmain Ubuntu archive != Ubuntu main archive :)02:55
dholbach\sh: I doubt that means 'main'02:55
dholbach\sh: but you have a point - that should be clarified02:55
dholbach\sh: would you be so kind and raise that with mrevell?02:56
\shhe's on launchpad?02:56
dholbachyes and he should be on freenode02:56
dholbachok thanks everybody for this great Q&A session02:56
dholbachkeep on asking questions in here02:56
Hobbsee\sh: he just came off lunch02:56
dholbachand on ubuntu-motu-mentors@lists.ubuntu.com02:57
dholbachI'm going for lunch now, so see you all around later02:57
dholbachthanks again!02:57
norsettothanks dholbach, thx all02:57
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TheMusodholbach, highvoltage, norsetto, since I have not heard back from one of my mentors, I'd like to consider one of my mentoring slots open, assuming I don't hear anything in the next few days.03:03
\shok...ppa quickstart guide updated03:04
tsmitheman-di, did you get my latest e-mail? (i sent it through gmail smtp rather than my local postfix, still gotta fix that)03:04
highvoltageTheMuso: ok, we'll make a slot available. thank you.03:06
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coNPreviewed rotoscope, indeed :)03:10
ScottKtsmithe: You might consider giving him a hint when you sent it...03:14
tsmitheman-di, Yesterday, 20:50 UTC03:15
man-ditsmithe: nope03:15
tsmitheman-di, ok it should have sent this time03:17
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man-ditsmithe: got it now03:20
porthoseMOTU's could you please review/advocate http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=28 thank you03:32
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Hobbseeporthose: why not just request a sync for it?04:08
porthoseHobbsee:  ????04:09
Hobbseeporthose: oh, i thought it was in debian, looking at this.04:09
coNPhttp://packages.qa.debian.org/a/ampache.html 404s04:10
Hobbseedebian bug #40733704:10
ubotuDebian bug 407337 in wnpp "ITP: ampache -- For The Love Of Music" [Wishlist,Open]  http://bugs.debian.org/40733704:10
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Hobbseeporthose: are you pushing that to debian or ubuntu?04:12
coNPScottK: what do you mean "upload when ready"04:12
coNPbug 13422904:12
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ubotuLaunchpad bug 134229 in gnome-phone-manager "Please update gnome-phone-manager to 0.10" [Wishlist,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/13422904:12
ScottKcoNP: The UVFe is approved.04:12
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ScottKYou are a MOTU, so you can upload it.04:13
coNPI see. Then I might misunderstood your final sentence04:13
ScottKThe "when ready" part was because you're new I didn't want you to feel rushed.04:13
coNPI see. Thanks :)04:13
coNPI guess I am ready now :)04:15
porthoseHobbsee:  both If I can04:15
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Hobbseeporthose: eaiser to get it into debian and sync04:15
Hobbseeporthose: else it has to go thru NEW twice04:15
ScottKHobbsee, soren, StevenK, and zul: I've gone through and converted all the existing UVFe from assignments to subscriptions as decided at the meeting today. https://bugs.launchpad.net/~motu-uvf/+subscribedbugs04:15
sorenScottK: Cool.04:16
StevenKScottK: Great.04:16
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ScottKStevenK: Bug 129591 and Bug 129593 got taken care of today.  Progress.04:17
ubotuLaunchpad bug 129591 in python-f2py "Please remove python-f2py from Gutsy" [Wishlist,Fix released]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/12959104:17
ubotuLaunchpad bug 129593 in python-scipy-core "Please remove python-scipy-core from Gutsy" [Wishlist,Fix released]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/12959304:17
porthoseHobbsee:  so go through debian first?04:17
Hobbseeporthose: probably easier to, yes04:18
ScottKHobbsee: But if he does that, it won't be in Gutsy.04:18
HobbseeScottK: we're not granting uvfe's for that?04:18
HobbseeScottK: for "it got stuck in the debian NEW queue?"04:18
HobbseeScottK: it's still less work doing that then getting the ubuntu guys to do a NEW inspection, then debian repeating that work.04:18
porthoseHobbsee:  sorry to waste your time.  Thanks04:19
Hobbseeporthose: no problem04:19
=== Hobbsee archives
Hobbseeporthose: you can request a sync of it when it gets into debian (and get a UVFe at the same time)04:20
porthoseHobbsee:  archive Themeampache also It is a theme package for ampache04:20
HobbseeScottK: if we dont, it sounds like "beaurocracy for beaurocracy's sake, instead of using sense"04:20
Hobbseeporthose: ah, thanks.  archived too.  you're getting both into debian?04:20
HobbseeScottK: which i dislike :)04:20
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porthoseHobbsee: trying to04:21
Hobbseeporthose: cool :)04:21
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porthose***porthose hugs coNP back04:22
LutinScottK: about gmountiso: there is no upstream changelog and the install log _is_ actually included in the buildlog04:23
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ScottKLutin: Acked and sorry about that.  You might consider adding a CHANGES file for your next release.04:30
LutinScottK: I'm no upstream, but I'll tell him :)04:31
coNPWhere can I look if there is an ITP for a given package?04:32
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ScottKajmitch: The rc bug list seems to have vanished....04:35
ScottKcoNP: Look in Debian BTS in the wnpp pseudo package.04:36
coNPThanks. I found that since04:36
geserScottK: that only means no bugs to fix :)04:37
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coNPOkay. What to do with a package that has an earlier version that has been removed from Debian (because of no rdepends).04:40
coNPI mean http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2004:40
HobbseecoNP: which package?04:40
=== Hobbsee WTF's over ddclient.
HobbseeScottK: i agree with you.04:40
ScottKHobbsee: Thanks.04:41
HobbseecoNP: why did it get removed from debian?04:42
coNPI don't see too much point of a lib without programs using it. Especially now...04:42
coNPIf I understand them correctly, because of there were / are no rdepends.04:43
ubotuDebian bug 349254 in ftp.debian.org "RM: gtkglextmm -- Ro??; RC buggy; no rev-deps" [Normal,Open] 04:43
ScottKPlus it had bad bugs.04:43
azeemthe version number is dubious, aren't gnome-- packages more or less in sync with gnome upstream version numbers?04:43
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coNPazeem: _more_or_less_04:43
HobbseecoNP: any idea if it's anyone's archive day today?04:43
HobbseecoNP: usually just file a bug stating that, and tha tit has no rdepends, to remove source and binaries, and subscribe u-a04:44
HobbseecoNP: but it may be pitti's archive day, in which case he may just want to fix it04:44
coNPHobbsee: wait.04:44
HobbseecoNP: oh, wait, screw that.  it's not in ubuntu.04:44
azeemthis is about whether it should get in04:45
dholbachTheMuso: thanks for letting us know04:45
Hobbseedont mind me.  trying to figure out ddclient has sent my brain insane.04:45
coNPazeem: exactly.04:45
coNPI asked why this package is needed.04:45
coNPI think it will be all right for now (= between tribe 5 and 6)04:45
ScottKdholbach: I pushed swfdec 0.5 back from motu-uvf to uus because it's a new package.04:45
dholbachScottK: oh ok04:46
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zorglu_q. there is a nice little oneclick installer called, glick. the author doesnt have the time to maintain it, or package it. glick is nice work because you just copy a single file on your disk and you can execute the package (no need to preinstall a packaging system). it would be a nice alternative to dpkg. it wont be cool to have such a nice stuff to go to waste due to the author lack of time. anybody volunteering to get this packaged ?04:47
zorglu_http://blogs.gnome.org/alexl/2007/08/23/glick-02-released/   for more info04:47
Hobbseezorglu_: there's already 0install, and it'll probably be rejected for the same reason as klik was04:47
azeemthe glick author is a Gnome VIP though04:47
azeemso maybe after he released 1.0 it might be worth a look04:48
zorglu_azeem: the stuff is already working. but rougth. and alex doesnt have the time to maintain it04:48
azeemzorglu_: maintain what?04:48
azeemhe's not a Debian/Ubuntu guy, so he won't maintain .debs I assume04:48
zorglu_azeem: glick. like to do a wiki, the pacakge for all the distro, maintain a doc etc....04:49
azeemah, ok04:49
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gesercoNP: I'm looking on gtkglextmm on REVU: don't ship .la files unless you have a good reason04:49
coNPgeser: I am not the one who made that package04:50
zorglu_currently glick is a blog entry and a working code. if nobody package it, do web site it wont go beyond this04:50
azeemScottK: because that might imply he's not a random guy on crack04:50
gesercoNP: sorry04:50
ScottKIt might.04:50
zorglu_azeem: any idea on how i could find somebody to do that04:50
zorglu_well i dont care about the author, i care about the project :)04:50
azeemScottK: I didn't say "include whatever he does without review"04:50
ScottKBut it also says nothing about understanding anything about how Debian distros are built.04:51
coNPgeser: np. I was just wondering why we need that package...04:51
azeemzorglu_: he should just use the usual Gnome infrastructure04:51
ScottKFrom my perspective anything that says "Please ignore the packaging system, Trust me.  It'll be fine." is random crack until proven otherwise.04:51
zorglu_azeem: he got no time. as in if nobody takes over, the stuff will remain a blog entry04:51
ScottKSounds good to me.04:51
Lamegoazeem, what is glick about ?04:52
zorglu_ScottK: well some people would like to publish linux software without passing a LOT of time doing all the packages for all the distributions04:52
azeemLamego: 0install04:52
azeemsort of04:52
Lamegook, i don't like it :P04:52
zorglu_ScottK: one click installer do provide this oportunity04:52
ScottKAnd they are welcome to do that, but I don't think we should be publishing the tools to make it easy for people to break their systems.04:52
azeemzorglu_: he just released 0.2, the project isn't quite dead yet04:53
ScottKEither the packaging system is needed or it's not.  Pick one.04:53
zorglu_azeem: hehe he got no time to work on it :)04:53
zorglu_ScottK: no black and white04:53
zorglu_ScottK: easy install got advantage, full blown apt stuff got others04:53
azeemLamego: http://blogs.gnome.org/alexl04:53
ScottKNot 100%, but close.  I think you've got to either respect the packaging system or know what you are doing.04:54
ScottKOne click ignore the packaging system is a recipe for disaster.04:54
Lamegoazeem, I don't like the 0install concept of software distribution04:54
zorglu_ok what is so bad in providing easy to install software ?04:54
azeemI'm not letting myself dragged into this discussion04:55
Lamegozorglu_, nothing, that is why that is already available on most of the distributions :)04:55
coNPIf I review an application that segfaults at the startup should I mention this? (i.e., should I assume that it is the fault of upstream / the packager or that my system is on crack)?04:55
ScottKzorglu_: What's easier than apt-get install X?  The issue isn't the easyness of the isntall.04:55
ScottKcoNP: Aboslutely04:55
zorglu_Lamego: have you tried to publish a software on linux ? :) like doing 10 packages, going thru all the stuff. it takes a LOT of time04:55
LamegoZombie, sure, I do that everyday :)04:56
whitecoNP: nah, applications segfault is a feature for most of the applications around ;)04:56
ScottKzorglu_: We already have gdebi and gdebi-kde for easy install of properly packaged stuff that's not in the official repositories.04:56
zorglu_ScottK: before reaching apt, it require a lot of time04:56
zorglu_gdebi to require the .deb04:56
ScottKYes, but that's unrelated to how easy it is to install.04:56
zorglu_aka the revue queue04:56
zorglu_you know the stuff which is so slow that it is a problem ?04:57
ScottKYou can make your own .deb and distribute them.04:57
LamegoZombie, it takes a lot of time, specially if you are not specialized on building packages for a particular distribution or using a particular build system04:57
zorglu_Lamego: exactly! and now you multiplies that by all distributions04:57
zorglu_Lamego: how long does it takes ? :)04:57
ScottKPeople doing the 0install/one click whatever just want to avoid the packaging work.  It's nothing to do with ease of installation.04:57
zorglu_Lamego: just me publishing on ubuntu took me like 2weeks (im a coder not a packager)04:58
ScottKWhich gets right back to either the packaging work is needed or not.04:58
zorglu_Lamego: supporting redhat/suse etc.. is out of question. because i dont have the boxes to install them all04:58
zorglu_ScottK: and no black and white04:58
Lamegozorglu_, that is why I use only one distribution, and I am only concerned on that particular distro I am using ;) anyway I understand the benefits of 0install, autopackage, etc, but, they are not able to meet their goals04:58
zorglu_ScottK: apt got advantage, one click installer got others04:58
ScottKWHat is the one click advantage?04:59
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Lamegozorglu_, well, those 2 weeks, are Ubuntu QA & Processes, that is not related to package or building, that is related to processes and QA04:59
zorglu_Lamego: well im publishing linux software, and i want people to use them independantly of their distribution :)04:59
zorglu_Lamego: no :) i didnt go thru ubuntu, i made my own repository04:59
ScottKzorglu_: We are a distribution and we don't want your crack to break our users stuff.04:59
ScottKI think I'm done here.05:00
Lamegozorglu_, well, 2 weeks to build one package :P ?05:00
zorglu_ScottK: apt got version/dependancy, one click got easy to publish in all distrib (so much faster to get the package for the user)05:00
zorglu_Lamego: well it takes that much believe me, you have to learn all the stuff05:00
ScottKzorglu_: Ask yourself why it has version dependencies?  They are mandatory.  Generally they are there for a good reason.05:01
ScottKare/aren't mandatory.05:01
zorglu_ScottK: i agree with you, only external dependancy are mandatory05:01
Lamegozorglu_, I build about 10 packages per week, they do not follow Ubuntu/Debian restrict requirements, neither do they meet the same quality level, but, they do work and never broke any system (so far)05:01
ScottKLamego: That you know of.05:02
zorglu_ScottK: and you should not suppose that people write software to break other people boxes05:02
ScottKI don't know the details of how you do stuff in your .debs, but others have done stuff that works fine until the user tries to upgrade later.05:02
zorglu_Lamego: well during this week, i do write the software :)05:02
zorglu_Lamego: im a coder not a packager05:03
Lamegozorglu_, in my case, I am no longer a coder, and just a packager ;)05:03
ScottKzorglu_: I get the impression that you don't really understand why we do packaging.05:03
ScottKI'm pretty sure the answer to your original question is No, BTW.05:03
zorglu_Lamego: put yourself in my shoes :) i have the software and want to publish it ?:)05:03
zorglu_ScottK: well you jsut mean taht you dont want to do it, may other will :)05:04
Lamegozorglu_, anyway, I missed the initial subject, is this about the glick packaging :P ?05:04
zorglu_Lamego: yep, and me willing to have somehting to make it easy for people to publish software05:04
ScottKIt's pretty clear I don't.  You're right, someone else might, but I haven't seem anyone jumping up and volunteering.05:04
zorglu_easier than doing the X pacakges for the X distributions :)05:04
zorglu_X being 4 at min, and like 150 at max :)05:05
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zorglu_and it would reduce the revue queue05:05
zorglu_aka less 'obsolete' package in apt05:05
zorglu_Lamego: ok lets forget the one click installer then05:06
LamegoScottK, in theory, any non official packages or specific system customization may break dist upgrades,  still that depends on the quality of the packages, being unoffical does not mean, problematic05:06
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zorglu_Lamego: what are the other possibility for me ? a tgz in /opt ?05:06
Lamegozorglu_, I love one click installers, I love gdebi :)05:06
LamegoI love, one click install, for one distribution :)05:07
zorglu_Lamego: me too! lets have one now :)05:07
zorglu_ok more seriously05:07
zorglu_Lamego: what are the other possibility for me ? a tgz in /opt ? <- what can i do ? any suggestion05:07
Lamegozorglu_, if you mean, for all linux distros, then we will get into that, over-debated question, why do we have, rpm, deb, .tgz, ubuntu, redhate, suse, etc05:08
zorglu_well yes i mean to publish the stuff on linux, so all big distro05:08
zorglu_Lamego: what are my alternatives ? tgz in /opt with some script on the website ?05:09
Lamegozorglu_, or you believe that some day, all the big distros will converge to common polices, or you don't05:09
zorglu_Lamego: well i dont want to wait for them to publish my softwares :)05:09
zorglu_what can i do today05:09
Lamegozorglu_, you must follow the static building approach, and still, for specific software, you will need to know each system specifics, for things like setting up services05:10
Lamegoor identifying if a specific external runtime requirement is met on that particular distro05:10
zorglu_Lamego: i already worked on it and run in chroot :)05:10
zorglu_i want it to be easy to install05:10
ScottKLamego: I agree.  I like you doing .debs (even if they aren't perfect) over unpackaged stuff.05:10
ScottKzorglu_: If it's packaged it IS easy to install.  You don't want easy install (we have that) what you want is to avoid the packaging work.05:11
zorglu_ScottK: ?05:11
Lamegozorglu_, if you want a one click installer, for multiple distros, user autopackage or 0install, or a similar approach05:11
zorglu_ScottK: no i want to publish the software05:11
ScottKYou said you want easy install.  We have that.  It's not what you want.05:12
zorglu_ScottK: my goal is not to crack people computer05:12
zorglu_ScottK: no idea what make you think it is my goal05:12
Lamegozorglu_, if you want to publish the software, for all distros, we can't help much, if you want to build for ubuntu, we can :P05:12
zorglu_Lamego: ok how long to get a given software in the ubuntu repo ?05:12
ScottKzorglu_: You keep saying you want easy install, but we have that already, so it makes no sense.05:12
Lamegozorglu_, if you want your software available on the ubuntu repositories, it will take some weeks, or it may not even enter on this release, which means, months05:13
zorglu_Lamego: hehe you got my point :)05:13
Lamegozorglu_, if you want to provide it, on a single .deb install, it can take 1h :)05:13
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geserScottK, Hobbsee: a new upstream version of zeroc-ice-csharp slipped though and it build-depends on a newer icestorm (newer zeroc-ice)05:14
Lamegoif you software uses autotools, 1h, to be available for all ubuntu users, from an untrusted source, a web site :D05:14
ScottKzorglu_: As long as neither Debian nor Ubuntu are frozen, I can release, get a package into Debian, sync'ed into Ubuntu in less than a week.05:14
zorglu_ScottK: man you are definitly agressive05:14
zorglu_ScottK: no idea what i did to you05:14
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zorglu_ScottK: relax take a beer or something05:15
ScottKzorglu_: You hit one of my pet peeves on a day I'm grumpy anyway.05:15
Lamegozorglu_, he does the same to me, but he is not agressive, he just has an aggressive stule of communication :P05:15
ScottKLamego: You have no idea.  I'm actually restraining myself.05:15
zorglu_Lamego: well he should read the code of conduct once more then05:15
geserScottK, Hobbsee: upload the old version as 3.2.1.is.3.2.0 or sync the rest of zeroc-ice too (8 further source packages)?05:15
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zorglu_ScottK: me too, but i definitly better at that :)05:16
Lamegozorglu_, does your software uses autotools, do you want to make your software available in the next hour ? It will be available to 10k ubunt users, in 1 day :P05:16
ScottKzorglu_: We are merely having a spirited discussion.  I haven't accused you of anything.  You seem to read more into what I say than what I say.05:17
zorglu_Lamego: ok so it is the average delay. say a week to be more realistice05:17
Lamegozorglu_, i am not refering to ubuntu repositories :)05:17
zorglu_ScottK: well i disagree05:17
LamegoI am refering, to one click install :)05:18
Lamegofor ubuntu users, only05:18
zorglu_Lamego: so you mean like doing the .deb ?05:18
zulone click install dont you mean like gdebi?05:18
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zorglu_ah ok, well i got the .deb already :) you remember the 2weeks ? :)05:18
Hobbseegeser: hmmm...05:18
Lamegozorglu_, so why don't you make it available ?05:19
zorglu_zul: well it works IIF you run gnome and you got proper mimetype everywhere :) aka not yet happened05:19
Hobbseegeser: i'd guess that we'd want to sync the rest.05:19
Lamegozorglu_, it works, if you have Ubuntu >= 6.06 installed05:19
zorglu_Lamego: well you see im trying to for like 30min now. the one click installer was about that05:19
zorglu_Lamego: i got kubuntu 7.0405:20
Hobbseegeser: as we probably dont want to support the old versions either05:20
geserHobbsee: ok, I'll prepare the necessary UVFe to bring the zeroc-ice packages in sync05:20
ScottKgeser: As long as it's a sane upgrade, I'd say go ahead and sync.05:20
Lamegozorglu_, I have no experience with Kubuntu, but I guess .debs come associated to some single click installer.. I guess..05:20
zorglu_Lamego: well guess again :)05:21
zorglu_Lamego: but ok you can download it from the web and do dpkg -i05:21
HobbseeLamego: they do05:21
Lamegozorglu_, like I said, I am refering to one distro, one flavor :)05:21
zorglu_Lamego: like your personnal box only :)05:21
Lamegozorglu_, you don't need to downlaod them, and open the terminal, because, by defaylt, they will be installed by a package manager05:22
Hobbseeeven in feisty, there was a "right click, install package" option05:22
Lamegowho ever decided to provide that as default on Ubuntu, was sure of the security concerns, of a single click installations, but still made it available05:22
Lamegowhich means, your particular problem, maybe relevant to other distros, it is not, for Ubuntu :)05:23
zorglu_Lamego: well here, it is click and the usual 'do you wanna save this file or do ark on it'05:23
HobbseeLamego: and we reject all bugs from such packages05:23
Hobbseezorglu_: see the part about "right click, install package"05:23
zorglu_Hobbsee: well i hope i could see it :)05:23
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zorglu_Hobbsee: oh i see, you assume i run konqueror05:23
LamegoHobbsee, sure, who ever provides packages, is responsible for them, ubuntu* or not :)05:23
Hobbseezorglu_: no, actually05:24
Hobbseewell, you can do it from the desktop too05:24
zorglu_Hobbsee: well firefox doesnt have that for sure05:24
Hobbseezorglu_: this is true.   it's a kde thing.05:24
Lamegozorglu_, I assume, you do a standard installation, because if you don't have a standard installation, then, I don't understand your concern, with one click installer, for non standard users05:24
zorglu_Hobbsee: well i dont want to enter in 'khtml and its support of current web page' either05:25
Hobbseezorglu_: i was assuming you dont use firefox as a file browser.05:25
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zorglu_Lamego: well i do run a plain kubuntu 7.04. where all packages comes from ubuntu repository05:26
Hobbseezorglu_: the upshot of this discussion, though, is that MOTU does not wish to even vaguely support glick, etc, or other methods of 1 click install, than what we have now05:26
zorglu_Hobbsee: ? firefox is a web browser05:26
Lamegowell, how does kubuntu handlers .debs clicks from the default browser ?05:26
Hobbseezorglu_: exactly, which is why you're likely using konqueror, and the right click "install package" from konqueror05:26
zorglu_Hobbsee: ok i wish to publish software on linux, where can i get more info on how to do that ?05:26
Hobbseefor file browsing05:26
Hobbseeuh, google.05:27
zorglu_Hobbsee: :))))))))))05:27
LamegoZombie, , a standard user, uses whatever comes installed by default :)05:27
Lamegoerrm, zorglu_05:27
zorglu_Hobbsee: helpfull of you :)05:27
Hobbseezorglu_: your question is very broad.   you know the saying about "stupid questions get stupid answers"?  the same applies to vague questions.05:28
Lamegozorglu_, you are on the right place to get info about subject, and let me inform you, Linux is not windows, there are distributions, which their own set of policies and technical decisions05:28
Lamegosuch decisions affect the flexibility of the software distribution system, unlike on other OSes on which you have a single provider05:28
zorglu_Hobbsee: ok more specific then, i made my apps as easy to run as i could, aka no external dependancy, running in chroot. now i want to make it as easy as possible for user to install. how can i do that ?05:28
zorglu_Lamego: well i run linux for like 15year now, i got basic knowledge of it :)05:29
Hobbseezorglu_: get it into the ubuntu/debian repositories for ubuntu/debian, else provide a tarball so people can compile it05:29
Lamegozorglu_, so why are you doing a question for which you know the answer :) ?05:29
Hobbseeor use klik, or whatever alternative you choose05:29
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zorglu_Lamego: well it is the first time i want 'external people' to use my software, so no i dont know the answer05:30
Lamegozorglu_, you may not like the answer, but you know it :)05:30
zorglu_Hobbsee: klik is not installed by default on ubuntu, correct ?05:30
dholbachcan somebody check bug 133052?05:30
ubotuLaunchpad bug 133052 in ubuntu "[needs review]  swfdec0.5.1 [needs upload] " [Undecided,Fix committed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/13305205:30
dholbachit just needs another review05:30
Hobbseezorglu_: correct.05:30
zorglu_Hobbsee: any other similar installer installed by default ?05:31
Lamegozorglu_, ok, so, again, you must know, if you want your software generally available for Linux, you must identify the major linux distros, and you must ask them to help you05:31
Hobbseezorglu_: i'm sure that's been answered above...05:31
Lamegozorglu_, just grab a list of the distros you want to target, send a mail to their packaging process with "Please help me, could you build a package for my software?"05:31
zorglu_i surely hope i knew all you think i know :)05:31
LamegoI am sure you will get instructions05:32
zorglu_Lamego:  kick is not installed by defualt, any other similar installer installed by default ?05:32
Lamegozorglu_, with the time we have spent here, on IRC with a discusssion which is mostly concerned to UBuntu, you woudl already have an answer for all the major distros05:32
zorglu_Lamego: i got them from ubuntu and i spent 2 weeks just ubuntu :)05:32
Lamegozorglu_, the only one click installed that I know to be installed as default, on Ubuntu (not sure about Kubuntu), is gdebi05:33
Lamegozorglu_, I Am not even sure that all distros provide a one click install software05:33
zorglu_Lamego: ok05:33
Lamegoconfigured, by default05:33
HobbseeLamego: gdebi-kde is by default in gutsy, too05:33
zorglu_any news from cnr ?05:33
LamegoZombie, cnr = apt05:33
Hobbseeno, you would have seen a press release if they had05:33
HobbseeLamego: cnr is different - the linspire thing, with commercial stuff, iirc05:34
LamegoI am not sure what else you expect from CNR, apart from the wrong information that commercial companies like to use to promote their products05:34
LamegoHobbsee, in tecnology terms, is the same stuff :)05:34
zorglu_well single apt for all distro :)05:34
Lamegothey use .deb packages, and they use apt repositories :)05:34
zorglu_aka not X package for X distroy :)05:34
HobbseeLamego: true that05:34
HobbseeLamego: oh, is it actual .deb's?05:34
LamegoHobbsee, I dont tried it, but from my readings, the last linspired, used a plain apt repository, they just dont provide synaptic, install, to force the users to use the CRN client appt (which is an apt installer)05:35
Lamegobut again, this was from readings, i didn't tried myself05:35
LamegoZombie, there is no APT for all distros05:35
Lamegocnr, is comercial crap :)05:36
HobbseeScottK: fudge.  you changed motu-uvf stuff, so my filters no longer work!  :P05:36
zorglu_i dont care about commercial or not, i just want a way to publish my software to make it easy to install05:36
zorglu_seems hard as hell05:36
Hobbseeit is, when you dont seem to be listening, yes.05:37
ScottKzorglu_: The key part is that you are after making the packaging part easier.  The install part is already easy.05:37
ScottKHobbsee: Sorry.05:37
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zorglu_ScottK: well spending 2-3months doing all the packages doesnt seems easy to me :)05:38
zorglu_i spent 2week to only do 1 for edgy05:38
ZombieLamego: apt is availiuble for all distroes that use DEBS or RPMs.05:38
ZombieLamego: apt is availible for all distroes that use DEBS or RPMs.05:38
Lamegozorglu_, sure, but CNR promises to provide packages for several distros, based on money that they expect to get, from comerical .debs, for which people will pay05:38
ZombieThats about 70%05:38
ScottKzorglu_: I'm not saying that packaging is easy.  I'm saying that the packaging is what you want to be easier, not the installing.05:38
zorglu_Lamego: well 3month of works isnt cheap either05:39
LamegoZombie, if you do the same with ubuntu MOTU, like, Canonical will promote comercial software, to pay MOTU work, and I am sure they would also be able to provide your software for 2 or 3 distros :)05:39
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zorglu_ScottK: again no black and white. i want my user to be install the software easily, without me spending 3month at each new versions05:39
zulanyways this kind of offtopic now05:40
ScottKzorglu_: That's exactly what I said.  You want the packaging to be easier.  This isn't about the user, it's about you.05:40
zorglu_ScottK: BOTH!!!05:40
LamegoZombie, sure it is, but if your software requires a system dependent function, or a library which is not available it will not work05:40
zorglu_[17:39]  <zorglu_> ScottK: again no black and white. i want my user to be install the software easily, without me spending 3month at each new versions05:40
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LamegoZombie, you can't install a Feisty .deb on another distro, which has a major libc6 difference05:40
ScottKBut the user already can install software easily.05:40
ZombieLamego: You are confusing me for that guy zorglu_05:40
zul*whistles* off-topic05:40
LamegoZombie, now it was for you05:40
Lamegoabout the "apt is available for all distros" :)05:41
Lamegothat doesn't mean, you can provide a single process for all distros, just because you use apt, or can use apt, on all of them :)05:41
zorglu_ok lets me more productive05:41
ZombieI know that. I didn';t say apt would download from the same repository05:41
ZombieI said apt is availible05:41
zorglu_what is the average length in revue queue ?05:41
ScottKBack before I used Ubuntu/Kubuntu and was using opensuse, apt was the preferred method for installing software when SUSE released broken update tools with opensuse 10.105:41
zorglu_you guys do statistict about that ?05:41
LamegoZombie, yes, but that will get into the same issue, someone will need to reviewt it, for each distro ;)05:41
ZombieThere is only one major feature Apt Lacks.05:42
ScottKzorglu_: It's mostly a function of package quality.05:42
zorglu_ScottK: ok what is the average05:42
zorglu_ScottK: in time05:42
ZombieParallel Installation ability.05:42
ScottKMy point is the average is irrelevant.05:42
Lamegozorglu_, in my oppinion, REVU is bad, but I was already informed, it was the best that could be done with the available resources05:42
Lamegozorglu_, can you improve it ? I mean, REVU and all the Ubuntu release processes ? Do you have time to do it :) ?05:43
zorglu_ScottK: well it is :) you see have to find out how i can publish those software so how much i wil l have to spend on it05:43
ScottKThe primary problem with REVU is lack of qualified reviewers.05:43
Lamegothat was the answer I got :P05:43
zorglu_Lamego: do you got statistic about how long is the revue queue ?05:43
Lamegoand no, I do not have the time, and I am sure, you also don't have the time :P05:43
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zorglu_well i write software :)05:44
Lamegozorglu_, I don't need that, I have tried to use it, and noticed that you need to come here and ask "Please check my package"05:44
zorglu_me coder, no packager :)05:44
ScottKzorglu_: Just to give you another perspective, if you look at Debian Mentors, lots of packages rot there for months.  I've never had a package need more than 2 days to get uploaded.05:44
Lamegowhich makes it bad enough on my personal oppinion :)05:44
zorglu_Lamego: well ok how long do i have to come everyday to ask that ?05:44
=== ScottK is not a DD, but makes decent packages.
LamegoI see Debian Preposed Packages, with months :D05:44
ScottKzorglu_: If the package is right, probably just once.05:44
Zombiezorglu_: I understand that, you have to understand how the Linux ecosystem works as far as making software. I'm a Mandriva packager.05:44
zorglu_hehe :)05:45
Lamegozorglu_, I don't know, I dropped the official packaging efforts :)05:45
zorglu_ok i cant get numbers :)05:45
ScottKZombie: You are?  Then maybe I need to talk to you...05:45
ZombieYes why?05:45
zorglu_ScottK: well the point is 'right' is very unclear :)05:45
Lamegobecause I personally don't have for that, but, there is people which have, because, it is alive and working :)05:45
ZombieI'm an 'Apprentice" Mandriva packager05:45
zorglu_Zombie: and how long is mandriva revu queue ?05:45
ZombieIt varies, depending on circumstances.05:46
Lamegozorglu_, if you are going for numbers, you then would need quality numbers05:46
Lamegoif you want to compare, queues, you will also need to compare quality :)05:46
zulstill kind of offtopic guys..05:46
ZombieGenerally, a *correctly* Packaged Source RPM is submitted into the Cooker05:46
Lamegozul, we are talkking about REVU, that is offtopic ?05:46
zorglu_Lamego: well i just want to plan this. how much will it cost me to publish this software. if i plan 3months, i wont do it. i dotn have the money05:47
ZombieIf ts stable enough, it can be 'backported' into stable releases.05:47
zorglu_Lamego: it is as simple as that05:47
Hobbseezorglu_: cost?05:47
zulMandrake and RPMS is definently off topic05:47
Lamegozorglu_, you dont need to do it, you just need to file a bug, with need packaging, and someone will do it for you05:47
zorglu_Lamego: if it is 2weeks. i can spare this money05:47
zorglu_Hobbsee: yep, you know work/rent/food/time cost05:47
Lamegozorglu_, MOTUs and hopefules, and other people like me, also loose money, providing packages for the open source community :)05:48
Hobbseezorglu_: if you're looking to make profit, you're probably trying the wrong wya05:48
zorglu_well my software cost me 2 year full time :)05:48
Lamegodo you know how much money did I loose with my converstation with you here :) ?05:48
Hobbseezorglu_: and you're also wasting time here, when youv'e been given answers.05:48
zorglu_Hobbsee: well you should read what i write05:48
zorglu_Hobbsee: seriously05:48
Hobbseezorglu_: i do.05:49
Hobbseezorglu_: unfortuantely05:49
zorglu_Hobbsee: moauaou05:49
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zorglu_so impossible to get numbers ?05:49
zorglu_like i should try and hope it doesnt last 5month ?05:50
Lamegozorglu_, I already asked if you wanted to make your package avaiable in 1h, you told me, no :)05:50
Hobbseezorglu_: generalizations tend to be widely inaccurate.05:50
Hobbseezorglu_: it depends on the package quality, how many people are reviewing, how long the queue is, and what stage of development we're in.  is that a good enough answer?05:50
zorglu_Hobbsee: well you take when the package go in revue queue, and when it goes out. you do that for all package, and you divide, you got an average :)05:51
Lamegoif you want it, available on the ubuntu repositories, you must understand, that those packages are managed and depend on hundreds of volunteer (lost money) people05:51
Hobbseeobviously, but see the [01:50]  <Hobbsee> zorglu_: generalizations tend to be widely inaccurate.05:52
zorglu_ok lets be productive, i guess one of you guys can do that much more efficient than me05:52
Lamegowhich means, you can't loose money, just because other people which are loosing money, are not fast enough for your :)05:52
zorglu_is there a company available i could pay to do that ?05:52
zorglu_Hobbsee: well this is basic math, and this is not inaccurate05:52
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Hobbseezorglu_: okay, so 3 months on average05:52
Hobbseezorglu_: because of the packages that sit and the original reporter doesnt update them.05:53
Lamegozorglu_, you want to pay for what exactly ? A package to be included on the ubuntu official repositories ?05:53
Hobbseezorglu_: how's that for a wet finger in the air guess?05:53
zorglu_Lamego: i want the user to install it05:53
zorglu_Hobbsee: like an unhelpfull personn05:53
Lamegozorglu_, what is your target audience ?05:53
Hobbseezorglu_: well, you did press for an answer....even though you were told that no helpful answer existed.05:54
Hobbseezorglu_: what did you honestly expect?05:54
zorglu_Hobbsee: 2 possibilities 1. we dont do statistic on how efficient the revue is or 2. the stat have been done and the result is X05:54
zorglu_ok im not productive05:55
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zorglu_i guess i should contact canonical and pay :)05:55
Hobbseezorglu_: the answer is the first05:55
Lamegozorglu_, if you want to provide a software, available at one click install, for all linux users, there is no such possibility, because, not all distros provide single click installer tecnhology by default05:55
Hobbseezorglu_: go ahead, that's one way to get what you want done.  trying to shove volunteers into doing what you want, and claiming that you're losing money at teh same time, is hardly effective...05:56
white!info id3lib3.8.3 gutsy05:56
ubotuPackage id3lib3.8.3 does not exist in gutsy05:56
zorglu_Hobbsee: ???05:56
whitei will learn it at one stage ...05:56
zorglu_Hobbsee: i do like the 'claiming' :)05:56
white!info libid3-3.8.3-dev gutsy05:56
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zorglu_Hobbsee: like im lying now :)05:56
Lamegoif you want to it available, for distros X,Y,Z, do you want me to do that research for you ? And in exchange you will fund an open source project ? :D05:57
whitesomeone wants to update id3lib3.8.3 to the -7 revisiion05:57
zorglu_ok sorry for the 'harshness' of the discussion05:57
=== Hobbsee shrugs, and ignores this channel until it becomes productive again
zorglu_Lamego: well this code is 2year full time of my life :) given for free to the community, it is already a funding :)05:58
whiteHobbsee: you are leaving me? :/05:58
white!info nufw gutsy05:58
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Lamegozorglu_, sure, but not enough to fund all open source projects, and other peoples 2 or 10 years of non paid work :)05:58
Hobbseewhite: poor you05:58
zorglu_Lamego: well not full time :)05:58
whitesomeone wants to investigate this nufw version as well and maybe upgrade to the newest debian version05:58
whiteHobbsee: :)05:59
StevenKwhite: We are in UVF.05:59
zorglu_Lamego: ok thanks, you are the only one who remained calm, and i value that :)05:59
whiteStevenK: i am just forwarding security related stuff05:59
Lamegozorglu_, if you work full time, it means you have some income, or someone pays your bills, and I am very happy that you are a full time open source developer, which is not that common as some open source think :)05:59
white!info asterisk gutsy05:59
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StevenKwhite: In which case, please file a UVFe for nufw06:00
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zorglu_Lamego: well note that i DO try to publish it :) just that it is very hard06:00
whiteStevenK: i am a communication device, not a ubuntu develooper06:00
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whitethe 1:1.4.11~dfsg-1 version of asterisk fixes a few security problems06:01
StevenKHobbsee: Sync asterisk, too06:01
zorglu_Lamego: ok have to go now. and thanks for sticking to the code of conduct06:01
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HobbseeStevenK: done06:01
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white!info zziplib gutsy06:02
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ScottKDid you subscribe motu-uvf?06:02
white!info libzzip-dev gutsy06:03
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whitezziplib should be synced as well06:03
whitei think that's it so far :)06:03
HobbseeScottK: no, i used requestsync06:04
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coNPIs requestsync able to file an UVF as well (if needed)?06:05
HobbseecoNP: not in current state06:06
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geserwhite: id3lib3.8.3 sync to -7 2 hours ago06:13
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norsettoScottK: hey, were you waiting just behind the door!?06:32
ScottKJust reading #ubuntu-bugs06:32
coNPnorsetto: are you then one who filed mass-sync/merge bugs last recently? :)06:33
norsettocoNP: yeah, got bored with nothing else to do06:33
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norsettocoNP: and 6 bugs is not really a mass-filing, is it!?06:34
coNPJust joking.06:34
ScottKCareful.  Now that you're a MOTU and stuff you'll scare people.06:35
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norsettoas if ScottK is not enough to scare me.....06:37
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bmmAny MOTU: I'm looking for the first advocate after the first update of boswars; http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=5306:42
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coNPI'll review boswars, bmm, norsetto06:44
coNPSomething to make *ScottK* scared :D06:44
norsettonothing can scare ScottK; he is the primordial scare06:44
ScottKIronic you say that since you've never interacted with me when I'm not restrained by the Ubuntu CoC.06:45
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norsettoScottK: that was meant as a compliment06:47
coNPbmm: if you need scons, please include it as a build dependency06:47
ScottKNow I'm scared. (scons).06:48
norsettoScottK: by the way, feel free to talk to me as you like, I don't mind at all (I quite like it to say the truth)06:48
coNP(sorry me (scare me ScottK))06:48
ScottKNo problem (either of you).06:49
coNPScottK: sorry I does not wanted to say that you violated the CoC or something like that06:50
ScottKcoNP: Don't worry.  I've only violated the CoC in public once on an Ubuntu channel and there was no confusion at all when I did it.06:50
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ScottKAs I said...  If I've violated the CoC we'll all know.06:51
coNPSorry. I was not even intend to say that.06:51
norsettoScottK: especially the CoC06:52
coNPIt was a bad joke started with scaring norsetto ...06:52
norsettocoNP: there was no bad joke coNP, we are all here to have fun06:53
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LamegoScottK, are you referring to the last time we had a conversation ? :) you have broken the "Be respectful" ?06:53
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ScottKLamego: No.06:53
ScottKOur last conversation was pretty mild compared to the time I'm thinking of.06:54
LamegoScottK, ah ok, so you are doing your own judgment of your own actions :)06:54
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LamegoScottK, CoC was not indexed to the person bad temper, at least the last time I have read it ;)06:54
ScottKThat's true.06:55
ScottKAny time you feel I've violated the CoC, you are free to bring it to the community council and have it debated there.06:55
coNPbmm: did you get this issue regarding scons?06:55
norsettobtw, we have a little problem, all I can show for the change (beside the code) is this: New upstream release (a new iterative lexer)06:55
ScottKnorsetto: For what package?06:56
LamegoScottK, that would not be productive, it would not help me, it would not help you, and it would not help anyone else :)06:56
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ScottKLamego: I agree.06:57
ScottKnorsetto: If that's it, then that's it.06:58
bmmcoNF: Hi, yes, sorry for the late reply06:58
LamegoI feel happy enough with the ability to be on a open channel and tell you that you may be breaking the CoC more often then you believe you do. which is not wrong as long realize it :)06:58
coNPbmm: np. I was just saying that, because I am in a reviewing mood, so if you can correct this, I would be glad to continue :)06:59
bmmcoNP: sorry for the late reply, but I fixed the scons dependency now.06:59
coNPbmm: take your time.07:00
norsettoLamego: what is the point of your comments? Looks very much like a personal attack to me07:00
bmmcoNP: do you want me to upload it with that change, or do would it be possible to add some other fixes?07:00
Lamegonorsetto, is is not, it means what it means, you were talking opening about CoC, and I did my comment, which means, what means07:00
coNPbmm: upload them. I'm looking for other issues in the meantime. But I need this fix to test the package07:00
norsettolamego: well, if I were you I would stop it here07:01
ScottKLamego: You are certainly free to say it.07:01
bmmcoNP: k, I'll fix it, do a build with a chroot and ping you about the new upload when it's on REVU. Thanks for taking a look!07:01
norsettoScootK: anything else you think is needed in bug 134552?07:02
ubotuLaunchpad bug 134552 in yappy "Please merge yappy (1.8-1) from Debian unstable (main)" [Undecided,Incomplete]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/13455207:02
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coNPbmm: thanks. I am likely to add comments in the meantime. Feel free to ping me again if you have uploaded the package again.07:02
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Lamegonorsetto, I am talking on the open to ScottK, apropos of a conversation on the channel, and based on my presence on the last 2 days, do you feel I am doing a personal attack and should leave ?07:03
bmmcoNP: will do.07:03
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ScottKnorsetto: Install log?07:03
norsettoScottK: yeah, its in the one in the second comment07:03
ScottKnorsetto: I unsubbed uus since the UVFe isn't approved.  I acked.  Please subscribe motu-uvf.07:05
coNPbmm: what do you think about debian bug 43738207:06
ubotuDebian bug 437382 in wnpp "ITP: boswars -- futuristic real-time strategy game" [Wishlist,Open]  http://bugs.debian.org/43738207:06
norsettoScottK: there is another package i actually forgot to add the install log, its as pathetic as the other one07:06
bmmcoNP: This is the same game, and I've read up on their approach. I don't know when it will enter debian and because of that, it won't be able to be there as soon as it can when done as an ubuntu version.07:07
bmmcoNP: as soon as the package comes into ubuntu (via debian), this package will be changed into a debdiff to get the desktop file in the package.07:07
coNPbmm: so you say you want boswars appear in gutsy. And therefore you don't want to wait till it appears in Debian?07:08
coNPOTOH I don't see why Debian would not include a desktop file07:08
ScottKcoNP: They use a different menu system IIRC.07:09
ScottKDon't they?07:09
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bmmcoNP: I don't want to wait till it gets into Ubuntu through debian. Also note that the ITP was filed after I packaged this game, but because REVU was down, I couldn't post my work. (launchpad bug 128416)07:10
ubotuLaunchpad bug 128416 in ubuntu "[needs-packaging]  http://www.boswars.org/" [Wishlist,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/12841607:10
=== norsetto remembers a package from debian, including icon and desktop menu
bmmcoNP: so I decided to just continue for now.07:11
coNPbmm: okay. I was just asking what do you think... :)07:11
=== norsetto also remember that there was nothing in the package that actually installed them ......
coNPI guess including a good game is worth the effort07:11
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Lamegoboswars was downloaded by 3000 Ubuntu users, since 5 Mar, in case that is relevant to decide about the effort07:14
coNPLamego: is there some statistics?07:14
Lamego(not lookingo into the amd64 builds)07:14
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LamegocoNP, http://www.getdeb.net/search.php?keywords=boswars, the stats are based on package downloads, only for the main package07:15
Lamegoincludes both version 2.3 and 2.407:15
coNPI see07:15
Lamegoand I am not looking into the amd64 downloads, which usually small07:15
norsettoScootK: thx07:18
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norsettoScottK: thanks07:21
ScottKNo problem.07:21
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Zeogradhi all07:22
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norsettohi there07:23
ZeogradZombie: thx for pointing this chan out07:23
ZeogradScottK: so I've been told you would like to package hugo for ubuntu ?07:23
ScottKRather than start from scratch, it'd be nice to use your Debian source package as a basis.07:24
ScottKIt appears to produce a sane package and there's no point in duplicating efforts.07:24
Zeogradwould you like a binary .deb or rather sources with a suitable debian/ directory ?07:25
ScottKEverything we do here is based on source packages.07:25
Zeogradok, hang a sec07:26
ScottKI've got the tarball and the .deb from your web site.07:26
Lamegowhat is hugo ?07:26
ScottKIt's a game.07:26
Zeograda pc engine/coregraphx video game emulator07:26
ScottKWhat he said.07:26
ZombieLamego: Its meant to emulate the Turbo Grafx 16, so you can play Dracula X07:27
ZeogradScottK: best way to get it is http://zeograd.com/dl.php?arg=30707:27
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ScottKRight.  That doesn't have the debian dir which is the bit I'm looking for.07:28
Lamegostill blind on it, does it have an homepage :P ?07:28
ScottKIn particular your debian/rules.07:28
ZeogradLamego: www.zeograd.com07:28
Lamegoare the games/cds easy to find ?07:29
ZombieLamego: No, many of these things are collectors items.07:29
ZeogradScottK: anonymous cvs then, :pserver:anoynmous@cvs.pcedev.com:22401/cvs07:29
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ZeogradScottK: :pserver:anonymous@cvs.pcedev.com:22401/cvs (typo in username)07:30
ScottKZeograd: Trying07:30
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ZeogradScottK: and module is named "hugo"07:30
norsettogotta go, see u tomorrow07:30
coNPbye norsetto07:30
ZombieZeograd: Are there patches that will fix Death tallking to you, and Dracula talking to you in the beginning of the game?07:31
ZeogradZombie: hmm no. Those sounds are made using ADPCM which is one of the few sound generation mode of pc engine. In the current version, it is slightly broken, enough to be not hearable :/07:32
ZombieIn the build I have, you can't hear it at all.07:33
ZeogradZombie: actually, it's really really low, but you can't hear it, indeed. Older builds (DOS versions) had it working better07:34
bmmcoNP: How do you close a bug from the changelog? Should I add "Closes LP: number" ?07:35
coNPbmm: (LP: #number) IIRC07:35
bmmcoNP: thanks07:35
coNPbmm: you are welcome07:35
pygicoNP, you want to do an ACK? :D07:37
coNPpygi: what ACK?07:38
pygicoNP, https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/13305207:38
ubotuLaunchpad bug 133052 in ubuntu "[needs review]  swfdec0.5.1 [needs upload] " [Undecided,Fix committed] 07:38
ScottKZeograd: It's checking out now.07:38
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superm1ScottK, mythtv and mythplugins are both going to be in need of UVFe's, is it alright if i just put them in the same bug?07:38
ScottKNo they aren't.07:39
ScottKYou got a blanket UVFe at today's MOTU meeting.07:39
coNPpygi: may I ack them?07:39
ScottKpygi: SInce it's a new package, it'd be easier if you uploaded it to REVU.07:40
superm1oh really.  I was asleep still during the meeting, very early here.  I'll check the minutes07:40
pygiScottK, but a) I don't have gpg b) keys would have to resync c)etc :P07:40
ScottKcoNP: It's a new package so it'll need you and one other MOTU.  Not just you.07:41
pygiScottK, dholbach already ACK'ed :)07:41
coNPScottK: I think dholbach is one07:41
coNPIn fact I am sure he is one :)07:41
ScottKThen you would just upload it.07:41
coNPBut I should check it first, right?07:41
pygiyes :p07:41
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ScottKAbsolutely .07:42
=== coNP checks it if no one want that.
pygicoNP, the package is fine anyway :D07:42
=== pygi gotta make swfdec-mozilla then
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joejaxxman this is weird07:46
joejaxxtomcat will not run unless i try and open catalina.out07:47
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superm1ScottK, i just checked over the meeting notes.  I don't think mythtv and mythplugins will necessarily be exempt, since they are usable/functional in ubuntu, kubuntu, xubuntu as well.  Would you agree?  (I don't want to get in trouble for my first upload once i get MOTU :))07:49
superm1all the other mythbuntu-* stuff would of course be exempt by the description there07:50
ScottKThen no.07:50
superm1Okay thats what i had thought.  I'll follow standard uvf processes then for them07:50
ScottKPlease do it in two bugs then.07:50
coNPSubhuman: Yeah. It is very painful to be a MOTU. All this responsibility stuff, you know...07:50
coNPsuperm1: again ^^^07:50
coNPSubhuman: I am sorry.07:50
superm1coNP, lol07:50
ScottKcoNP: Shhh.   Don't tell him.  Let him be suprised.07:51
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coNPpygi: do you have a reason why to keep Standards-Version 3.5.6?07:53
pygicoNP, not really, but no harm done I guess07:54
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coNPpygi: More respect towards a MOTU, please :D07:54
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coNPpygi: your package looks sane.07:56
pygicoNP, did you doubt? :)07:56
coNPIn fact I did not07:56
pygihehe :)07:56
pygicoNP, I'll feel free to bug about swfdec-mozilla today or tomorrow =)07:58
coNPyou say in the changelog you bump soname07:58
pygihm, yes?07:58
coNPwhy do you have libswfdec-0.5.so.0.0.0 in your package?07:58
coNPyou say you want to have 1.0.007:58
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pygicoNP, ehm, yes? Doesn't patch get applied?07:59
pygicoNP, the patch in debian/patches should solve that? o.O07:59
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Lamegoare the any priorities related to libraries upgrades ?08:01
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Lamegoanyone ?08:03
coNPpygi: (1) I don't see the point to have it 1.0.008:04
coNP(2) you patch configure.ac and not configure08:04
pygicoNP, 1) well, it should be 1.0.0 according to upstream :P 2) well, that's the way it should be? :P08:04
coNPpygi: then why does upstream tarball have 0.0.0?08:05
bmmcoNP: Just so you know, I've uploaded a new version of boswars BUT it might not show up for a long time (had problems before). I'll ping you when it's there, but feel free to put your mind to something else in the meantime ;-)08:05
pygicoNP, because upstream made a mistake?08:05
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coNPpygi: no. You have to run autoconf afterwards.08:05
coNPbmm: as I said it looked otherwise okay for me. I'll check it if it arrives to REVU. Feel free to ping me again08:05
pygicoNP, ah, you're right!08:05
coNPsince it is 0.5 I don't think you would need increase soname manually08:06
pygicoNP, ah, ok, just dont do anything then. I'll work on 0.5.2 probably anyway (or we'll do debian sync, and then modify packages to our likings)08:07
pygicoNP, well, I changed (tried :P) to 1.0.0 after talk with upstream ;)08:07
coNPMaybe it is needed for 0.5.2. But not for 0.5.108:07
coNPEspecially if it is a new package08:07
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pygicoNP, well, since even 0.5.2 is new package (!) probably no point to upload 0.5.1 ;)08:08
pygicoNP, anyway, thanks =)08:08
coNPpygi: no. If we upload 0.5.1 then we can upgrade to 0.5.208:08
coNPBut I see your point.08:08
pygicoNP, 0.5.2 breaks api/abi from 0.5.1 :)08:08
pygi(don't ask :P)08:08
coNPYeah. Therefore you need to bump soname08:08
pygiok, I'll see about 0.5.2 (or debian sync and modifying ... depends when they'll get 0.5.2)08:09
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pygicoNP, trust me, 0.5.2 will be a mess =)08:10
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coNPpygi: why? A new package cannot break neither ABI nor API...08:10
pygicoNP, you want to hear, really? :)08:11
coNPI am not sure08:11
pygibecause I gotta merge two upstream tarballs into one (swfdec, swfdec-mozilla) and write a package for that :P08:11
coNPpygi: why? :)08:11
pygicoNP, because of main inclusion, because upstream doesnt yet properly track abi, and that way it cannot go into main :p08:11
pygicoNP, so we do some hacks to make it possible to go in :p08:12
pygibut I'm still thinking about it :p08:12
coNPBut anyway. Do you want to fix swfdec 0.5.1 so that it can be uploaded?08:12
pygicoNP, no :)08:12
pygicoNP, I'll work on swfdec 0.5.2 ^_^08:12
pygicoNP, more sane :p08:12
pygicoNP, you agree? :)08:13
coNPpygi: feel free to bug me  :)08:13
pygicoNP, will do, thanks =)08:13
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pygicoNP, should I mark the bug invalid?08:29
coNPpygi: as you wish08:32
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coNPpygi: if you don't want your package to be uploaded, you probably should mark it invalid08:36
pygicoNP, nod =)08:36
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pygicoNP, done08:38
coNPthanks :)08:39
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DktrKranzcould you please give me a suggestion on bug 130059 ?08:39
ubotuLaunchpad bug 130059 in plr "R_HOME environmental variable not set" [Undecided,Fix released]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/13005908:39
DktrKranzpitti suggested me to avoid patch systems, but source files are inserted into a tarball and uncompressed at build time08:40
DktrKranzunless I forget something, I need a patch system, even a trivial one08:41
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bmmsistpoty: boswars seems stuck in the REVU queue again, could you take a look at it when you are possible.08:42
coNPbmm: you cannot upload it? Or you have uploaded it but does not appear?08:42
bmmcoNP: I've got to go, so can't fix the "stuck in queue" of boswars now, I'll get back on this all later. Thanks for your time! (uploaded (without problem) not showing.08:42
coNPbmm: okay.08:43
ScottKsuperm1: Congratulations.08:43
superm1thanks ScottK :)08:43
ScottKsuperm1: Just a few days until New Package freeze.  Get reviewing ...08:43
superm1you found out before i did08:43
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superm1ScottK, that's my goal for sunday, reviewing as much as i can :)08:44
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superm1who needs to add me as a reviewer to revu now?08:44
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coNPScottK: can you also deal with the REVU queue or should we wait for sistpoty?08:51
ScottKI can't.08:51
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ScottKsiretart can08:51
ScottKHobbsee can ( LongPointyStick ).08:51
zulshe aint here i think08:52
coNPScottK: Okay, thanks.08:52
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superm1did it less than a minute after ScottK told me I had MOTU08:53
ScottKShe's not.  That'w why I included LongPointyStick.  That's here logger.  She'll get it later if no one else does.08:54
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ScottKsuperm1: Tell me in the bug that it works for you and include the install log and I'll ack it.08:58
superm1ScottK, i'm getting the mythplugins build finished so i can install them all at once, and then ill add the install log08:58
ScottKOK.  PIng me when it's done.08:58
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bmmcoNP: ping for boswars. My previous thought about it being stuck in queue was totally wrong, I just dput to ubuntu :-) It now appeared in mear seconds :-D09:08
bmmcoNP: got to go though, so talk to you (and the rest) later. Bye!09:08
coNPbmm: reviewing09:09
coNPtoo late...09:09
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superm1ScottK, see bug 134580 and bug 13458109:12
ubotuLaunchpad bug 134580 in mythtv "MythTV UVFe For 0.20.2 release" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/13458009:12
ubotuLaunchpad bug 134581 in mythplugins "Mythplugins UVFe for 0.20.2 tagged release" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/13458109:12
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ScottKOK.  Looking09:13
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ScottKsuperm1: Ack'ed by me.09:15
superm1ScottK, k thanks.  i'll get uploaded then09:16
=== coNP guesses you need two of ACKs
ScottKsuperm1: I didn't set it to confirmed.09:16
ScottKMaybe zul will look at them.09:16
superm1"Once one of the [WWW]  team members marks the bug as Confirmed you can proceed with uploading."09:16
superm1oh confirmed09:16
superm1not acked09:16
coNPBTW you should edit this description.09:18
superm1which one?09:18
coNP"Once one of the [WWW]  team members marks the bug as Confirmed you can proceed with uploading."09:18
coNPOr let people read wiki pages very carefully09:18
superm1its not apparent on that page that two motu-uvf need to ack it from glancing over the page09:19
coNPBecause that belongs to some MOTU UVF process09:19
coNPThat is separate from the UVFe process09:19
coNPAt least I think so09:19
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Adri2000superm1: out of curiosity, why is mythbuntu-default-settings not a native package?09:30
superm1Adri2000, in case it was to be adapted by any other distro09:30
superm1or derived from in some form by another distro09:31
superm1the gentoo mythtv packager is already looking at adapting a few of the mythbuntu-* packages actually09:31
zulScottK: at work right now but I will when I get home09:31
superm1thanks zul09:31
Adri2000superm1: ok09:32
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superm1ScottK, because of the breadth of this problem with schedules direct, i'm also going to do an SRU for this in at least feisty.   It doesn't seem to be addressed in wiki pages regarding if I can use the updated packaging in an SRU, do you know?  My gut feeling says no.09:34
ScottKFor an SRU you want the absolute minimum change possible.  Meaning you can't update the version, you need to pull the patch for just that change out (and not the updated packaging either).09:34
superm1that's what i had thought09:35
superm1keescook and i were discussing this09:35
superm1the problem is that patch is dependent on a very large number of other patches09:35
superm1so we were going to look into a microversion exception09:35
superm1such as what firefox and a few other apps have09:35
keescookScottK: without the fixes, mythtv in the US is totally useless too.  :(09:36
superm1keescook, do you have that wiki page about microversion exceptions handy?  I was looking for it, but can't seem to find it again09:37
superm1well and don't forget canada, they lose the data too :)09:37
ScottKWell absolute minimum varies...09:37
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keescooksuperm1: that's the one; mythtv doesn't have tests, which is the only hiccup.09:48
superm1keescook, well i wonder if they would be willing to make an exception to allow users to ack this09:48
superm1if not enough MOTUs test it09:48
superm1because i know there are plenty of people that will be glad to comment on the bug after trying ti09:49
superm1i'm writing a mail to the TB right now.  I'll CC you on it.09:49
keescookis there an SRU bug started for it?09:49
superm1I'll do the mail, you make the bug?09:49
keescooksuperm1: isn't it all in the bug?09:49
superm1well we need an exception since it is such a large change do we not?09:50
superm1i was writing to inquire for the exception09:50
keescookokay, cool.  opening new bug...09:50
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keescooksuperm1: actually, we need a UVFe to get it into gutsy first, then we can do the SRU...09:51
superm1keescook, i filed the UVFe bugs, just need one more ack09:51
keescookwhich I see you already have09:51
superm1and i've got the packaging ready for them09:51
keescooksuperm1: okay, ack'd it, but I think it needs a 2nd ack from the moto-uvf team, right?09:53
superm1keescook, are you motu-uvf?09:54
keescookI'm not, perhaps I can convince soren to look at it?09:54
superm1perhaps :)09:54
superm1although soren has been idle the last 4 hours, perhaps not present09:55
^^MAg^^where I can find gutsy roadmap with dates?09:58
coNP^^MAg^^: /topic #ubuntu+109:59
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keescookzul: can you ACK bugs 134580 and 134581 for UVFe?10:01
ubotuLaunchpad bug 134580 in mythtv "MythTV UVFe For 0.20.2 release" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/13458010:01
ubotuLaunchpad bug 134581 in mythplugins "Mythplugins UVFe for 0.20.2 tagged release" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/13458110:01
ScottKkeescook: zul said he was at work and would look at it after he got home.10:02
keescookScottK: ah! okay, sorry, I missed that.  :)10:02
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coNPreviewing is fun10:07
coNPreviewing can be hard10:07
geserreviewing never ends10:08
erableMy REVU account is dead. it's possible to re-sync my REVU uploaders keyring ?10:12
coNPerable: what is your problem? You cannot upload or you cannot login?10:13
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erablecoNP: Login it's impossible.10:14
coNPerable: In this case I would recommend you to upload Some Random Goodness (TM) to put your REVU account in motion again.10:14
coNPerable: i.e., dput, wait till it appears, and then try to recover your password again.10:15
erablecoNP: ok10:15
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erableI want to upload qdevelop package but there is this message "Already uploaded to revu.tauware.de Doing nothing for qdevelop_0.23-1_source.changes"10:20
ScottKZeograd: Are you still around?10:21
gesererable: remove the .upload file and try dput again10:22
erablegeser: this file doesn't exist10:25
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coNPerable: dput -f <it>10:26
erablecoNP: upload is now ok10:28
coNPerable: cool. You'll get your login back. Did you have reviewer rights?10:28
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erablecoNP: I had right but now (after crash server) It's impossible to login10:33
coNPerable: oh. I guess you need LongPointyStick or siretart or sistpoty to regain your rights10:33
gesermembers of ubuntu-dev should be able to recover the password as this team got imported into the new REVU10:38
erablegeser: ok. thank you10:40
sorenkeescook: hm?10:42
keescooksoren: just trying to get the green-light on the mythtv UVFe10:42
keescooknamely 134580 and 13458110:43
sorenBug 13458010:43
ubotuLaunchpad bug 134580 in mythtv "MythTV UVFe For 0.20.2 release" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/13458010:43
Lamegoare there any plans to place revu with some version control system that would allow collaboration on the debian/ changes ?10:45
sorenEr.. The description seems to only mention the changes w.r.t. to scheduling info that is to come from another place, but there are loads of other changes. That's not necessarily a problem, though, I'm just saying.10:45
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superm1soren, there are two big changes listed for mythtv, its the scheduling and the memory usage10:46
superm1soren, the other changes are related to mythplugins10:46
superm1at the linked changelog10:46
sorensuperm1: Yes, but they're also going to be part of the upload, no?10:47
superm1well in bug 134581 :)10:47
ubotuLaunchpad bug 134581 in mythplugins "Mythplugins UVFe for 0.20.2 tagged release" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/13458110:47
Lamegobug 12763710:48
ubotuLaunchpad bug 127637 in ubuntu "[needs packaging]  rotoscope" [Wishlist,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/12763710:48
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sorensuperm1: Sorry, I'm too darn tired to make any sense of anything right now. I'll look at it tomorrow if noone has done it yet.10:53
superm1okay soren thanks10:53
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alex-weeji am rebuilding libbonobo11:21
alex-weeji made a change to configure.in and added dbus-glib-1 to one of the PKG_CHECK_MODULES bits11:21
alex-weejbut when i debuild i just get activation-server-main.c:57:28: error: dbus/dbus-glib.h: No such file or directory11:21
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alex-weejdo i need to run autosomething somehow?11:22
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geseralex-weej: did you also add libdbus-glib-1-dev to build-depends?11:32
alex-weejgeser: it doesn't matter, i'm only testing a hack11:32
alex-weejgeser: apparently i need to run autoconf11:32
geserif the package doesn't it you need to do it11:33
alex-weejyeah its working now11:33
alex-weejthis isn't really a downstream patch, i just need to test it on a downstream package11:33
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alex-weeji'm making bonobo-activation-server exit when the session bus closes11:34
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ianm_anyone interested in packaging a widely used, blogged about, youtube'd piece of GNOME software for which a KDE equivalent exists in the repos?   to make it easier, it's in ruby and all dependencies are already available in Ubuntu11:39
coNPianm_: sure. What is that?11:42
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ianm_coNP: me too :D   it's gnome screen ruler, home page:  http://gnomecoder.wordpress.com/screenruler/11:44
coNPI guess I have seen this / something similar before11:44
ianm_this has been around for years (previously written in C)11:45
coNPmaybe the kde app you've mentioned11:45
ianm_yeah there's a kruler11:45
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ianm_coNP: this version has been out for about 8 months with 0 reported problems11:47
coNPso you want me to make a debian package out of it?11:47
ianm_coNP: yeah I'd love it11:47
ianm_coNP: the other one on that site, a chess clock, is also Ruby/GNOME and is simple and works well.  although the screen ruler is way more popular11:49
coNPso it is your software :)11:49
coNPthis ruler is very cool indeed11:50
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coNPchess clock might be also useful under some circumstances11:50
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ianm_it is actually quite useful if you have a laptop and don't feel like buying a real chess clock !11:51
ianm_it works really well with a laptop sitting next to the board, although you have to sometimes tell people to not slam your keyboard haha11:52
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ianm_coNP: so let me know if you need anything from me.  I assume the software works fine "installed" but I've only ever used it from the development directory11:54
coNPWow. Really-really cool.11:55
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ianm_coNP: which?11:57
coNPBTW should it be called gruler or screenruler?11:57
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ianm_coNP: I prefer screenruler because it's simpler and avoids the silly g prefix syndrom, what do you think?11:59
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coNPsilly g prefix syndrom can be very useful :)12:00
coNPbut screenruler is nice as well12:00
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ianm_coNP: well, using screenruler would require some work as the executable is gruler.rb12:02
coNPianm_: gruler as well since we need an executable to put in /usr/bin :)12:03
DarkSun88Today is my birthday. Happy birthday to me :D12:05
=== coNP wishes happy birthday to DarkSun88
DarkSun88Thanks a lot Aron. Congratulations for join in MOTUs12:07
coNPThanks, DarkSun88 :)12:07
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=== DarkSun88 drink offering at all.
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beunoanyone know how I can work around a package looking for a library which name has changed?12:13
coNPbeuno: what do you mean?12:14
beunocoNP: the library used to be called "libgig", but now it's called "libgig6"12:15
beunoso it fails to compile12:15
coNPIf you depend on libgig-dev, shlibs-magic will take care of it.12:15
beunoI do depend on libgig  :(12:16
coNPIf not you should build depend on libgig6-dev12:16
coNPor libgig612:16
beunoI think it's hardcoded in the makefile12:16
beuno(the problem is deeper then the packaging it seems)12:16
coNPbeuno: you migh pastebin your debian/control file?12:17
beunocoNP: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/34943/12:17
beunoargh, it's incomplete, hold on12:18
beunoso I get: You need to have libgig version 3.1.0 installed!12:20
beuno(while doing dpkg-buildpackage -S -rfakeroot)12:21
beunothe configure.in file has this in it: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/34945/12:22
coNPwhat is the problem?12:22
beunowhich seems like the one screaming about it12:22
coNPbuild depend on libgig-dev (>= 3.1.0)12:22
beunonope, still complains12:23
coNPwhat does it complain about?12:24
beunosame thing:12:24
beunochecking for GIG... Required libgig version not found!12:24
beunoYou need to have libgig version 3.1.0 installed!12:24
beunomake: *** [clean]  Error 25512:24
beunoand my control file is: Build-Depends: debhelper (>= 4.0.0), libgig-dev (>= 3.1.0)12:25
coNPdo you have libgig6 installed?12:25
beunoso I have to just to package it?12:26
beunoer, "do I have to"12:27
geserbeuno: which package is it?12:28
beunogeser: linuxsampler12:29
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beunoit was packaged in Ubuntu until dapper, which is where I believe the libgig transition went on12:31

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