[12:39] anyone knows how to check who sponsored a package!? [12:39] it's not easy [12:40] norsetto: depends, what package was it? [12:40] you can check the .changes and see what GPG key signed it [12:41] Laserjock: OK, that would be in the build queue I guess [12:42] ajmitch: any package; I rather like to thank the person that sponsors my packages; I appreciate the work they are doing [12:43] norsetto, what packages? i saw ScottK going over quite a few last night === jekil [n=alessand@host33-208-dynamic.58-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:43] well, the last two were gobby and battleball [12:43] hm didn't hear mentions of either [12:45] well, anyhow, whoever that was: THANK YOU. I appreciate your work very much. [12:46] ajmitch: did you see that we can now check out packages in the +queue ? === fabo_ [i=fabo@fon38-2-82-225-46-230.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:47] LaserJock, that's pretty cool, i just saw that === minghua [n=minghua@ubuntu/member/minghua] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ceros__ [n=user@c-76-111-84-156.hsd1.va.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:48] norsetto: gobby and battleball were sponsored by dholbach [12:48] geser: the guy is crazy; is almost 1pm.... [12:49] make it 1 am :-) [12:49] :) [12:49] geser: how can you check it? [12:50] check the signature from the mail on gutsy-changes [12:51] geser: thanks [12:51] norsetto: it's easier if you still have those mails in mutt and dholbach's key in your keyring :) [12:52] the uploads got accepted now but the signature itself is older === ceros__ [n=user@c-76-111-84-156.hsd1.va.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:52] geser: I'm not subscribed to that in any case, but I can check the archive ..... [12:52] battleball: Signature made Wed 22 Aug 2007 11:58:37 CEST [12:53] and gobby: Signature made Wed 22 Aug 2007 08:37:57 CEST [12:53] geser: I see, so it can take quite a long time. I thought it was quicker than that [12:54] geser: I mean, how do you guys know that a package has not yet been sponsored? the bug is still there and everything [12:54] it only says when he signed the .changes files but not when he did the real upload [12:55] you usually comment on the bug when you did upload so others don't need to waste time uploading just to find out somebody else did [12:56] geser: yeah, makes sense [12:58] oh well, as somebody said its 1pm, and old farts like me need their beauty sleep [12:58] good night all [12:59] LaserJock: no, I didn't see that === jml [n=jml@ppp108-61.static.internode.on.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:00] hello mr jml [01:01] hi [01:01] the entire screen should pulse red when batteries are low [01:03] ajmitch: one more step towards complete MOTU domination :p [01:04] LaserJock: I'm not seeing the step... [01:04] jml: I prefer just having a nice soothing blue overlay on your desktop, with some white text explaining what is wrong [01:05] ajmitch: it's one less thing that requires DC access [01:05] but we had them at people.ubuntu.com [01:06] I'm saying that I believe that's the last step before it's technically possible for MOTU to process NEW [01:06] http://people.ubuntu.com/~ubuntu-archive/queue/gutsy/new/ [01:06] right === ajmitch can't see MOTU processing NEW soon [01:07] but I wasn't aware of that people.ubuntu.com link, that's good too [01:07] yeah I was reminded of it a day or two ago [01:07] probably not, although they keep adding archive admins [01:07] at some point I can see them having a core-dev do it [01:08] non-Canonical core-dev that is === Nightrose [n=lydia@amarok/rokymotion/nightrose] has joined #ubuntu-motu === _MMA_ [n=_MMA_@cpe-071-070-203-016.nc.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Ursinha [n=ursula@143.106.167.130] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:20] Nobody for reviewing a new package? http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=57 === doko [n=doko@dslb-088-073-072-017.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:26] bigon, people sleeping :p [01:30] pygi: I need some sleep too :o [01:30] bigon, well, it's 1:30AAM :P === mruiz [n=mruiz@ubuntu/member/mruiz] has joined #ubuntu-motu === asantoni [n=alb@216.221.76.221] has joined #ubuntu-motu === paran [n=paran@cust.fiber-lan.snet.lk.212.214.112.112.visit.se] has joined #ubuntu-motu === mok0 [n=mok@56347b3e.rev.stofanet.dk] has joined #ubuntu-motu === j00ma [n=kanta@SE400.PPPoE-2795.sa.bih.net.ba] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jsgotangco [n=JSG@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-motu === khermans [i=khermans@nat/cisco/x-ce04581cd5e002a3] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:08] bryce: Ping, re bug #126255 - the snapshot is in the bzr branch that launchpad has apparently decided is inaccessible at the moment. [02:08] Launchpad bug 126255 in xserver-xgl "FTBFS" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/126255 [02:09] raof, if you can post a tarball of that somewhere, I'd be happy to take a look at updating. [02:10] I can do a more traditional package, if you like. === mruiz [n=mruiz@ubuntu/member/mruiz] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Yann_Dinendal [n=Yann@dyn-83-156-159-173.ppp.tiscali.fr] has joined #ubuntu-motu === RAOF watches as bzr push goes ssssslllllloooooowly === persia [n=persia@ubuntu/member/persia] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:18] I've just been preparing the final announcement for the next MOTU meeting, and noticed that there was a schedule conflict with the next Q&A session. Does anyone have any suggestions regarding which should be rescheduled, or believe that the conflict should not matter? [02:21] !log|mok [02:21] mok: Channel logs can be found at http://people.ubuntu.com/~fabbione/irclogs [02:23] bryce: Bug updated, with links to a source package and a bzr branch that you can actually pull from (stupid launchpad :() [02:24] raof, ahh excellent, thanks. I'll take a look at it tomorrow [02:25] bryce: It also contains the session files to fix the other wishlist bug. === persia [n=persia@ubuntu/member/persia] has left #ubuntu-motu [] === Paddy_EIRE [n=patrick@89.240.243.205] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ytojack [n=ytojack@219.131.113.112] has joined #ubuntu-motu === radamantis [n=radamant@201.151.217.88] has joined #ubuntu-motu === leonel [n=leonel@189.155.151.30] has joined #ubuntu-motu === guest22 [n=brendt@c-76-26-103-132.hsd1.nm.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ceros [n=user@c-76-111-84-156.hsd1.va.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ceros__ [n=user@c-76-111-84-156.hsd1.va.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:16] hello .. I don't understand this apparmor is a security addon for gutsy and it's in universe .. would be better if it got official support in main ?? === chillywilly [n=danielb@CPE-72-133-221-181.wi.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:17] leonel: yes, and it is in main [03:17] leonel, it is in main for gutsy [03:18] woot ! downloaded packages.bz from universe and it's there .. [03:19] checked on packages.ubuntu.com and its in main [03:19] the only binary package I know of that it builds for universe is apparmor-modules-source [03:19] ajmitch: superm1 thanks [03:19] which isn't needed by most people [03:20] that mistake made me more paranoic .. [03:20] paranoid .. [03:20] thanks === soothsayer [n=user@bas16-montreal02-1242357234.dsl.bell.ca] has joined #ubuntu-motu === freeflying [n=freeflyi@125.33.55.43] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:30] Is there a way to get a backtrace of a program that doesn't crash (it's stuck in a loop). A signal I can send? [03:33] doh ! 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[06:30] OK thanks, you? === MarcC [n=marc@c-76-102-223-142.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:31] how do I get some GPL'd GIMP gradients included in a repo? [06:31] Not that great - see my Planet post today [06:34] MarcC: I don't know, but why would you want to get them included in Ubuntu repo instead of sending them to gimp upstream? [06:35] minghua: no idea really...I'll check with the gimp people, thanks [06:36] ouch tonyyarusso, that's pretty brutal to lose [06:36] superm1: yeah :( Still investigating options though. === MarcC [n=marc@c-76-102-223-142.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has left #ubuntu-motu ["Konversation] === freeflying [n=freeflyi@125.33.55.43] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Nightrose [n=lydia@port-87-234-149-196.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:32] Gah, what category should a guitar tuning program go in?? [07:32] audio? what are the choices? [07:34] That's a darn fine question. I'm trying to find a reference for all of the categories [07:35] <_MMA_> http://standards.freedesktop.org/menu-spec/menu-spec-1.0.html#category-registry [07:36] <_MMA_> bddebian: What are you working with? [07:36] <_MMA_> fmit? [07:36] gtkguitune [07:37] Thx btw [07:37] <_MMA_> np. === slomo [n=slomo@ubuntu/member/slomo] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:39] <_MMA_> bddebian: It could go a couple of ways I would guess. Maybe see whats listed in fmit's .desktop? === atlas95 [n=atlas@AVelizy-153-1-88-221.w90-2.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-motu === chrisle [n=chris@e178069244.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu === mayeco [n=mayeco@200.75.192.12] has joined #ubuntu-motu === khermans [i=khermans@nat/cisco/x-a23de90f2be367f9] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:00] we have a tribe 5! [08:00] nice nice :D === lionel [n=lionel@ip-149.net-89-3-208.rev.numericable.fr] has joined #ubuntu-motu === tudenbart [n=willi@xdsl-81-173-225-228.netcologne.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu === superm1 [n=superm1@ubuntu/member/superm1] has joined #ubuntu-motu === azeem_ [n=mbanck@ppp-88-217-12-158.dynamic.mnet-online.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu === MagnusR [n=magru@c83-252-237-96.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #ubuntu-motu === atlas95 [n=atlas@AVelizy-153-1-88-221.w90-2.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Lure [n=lure@ubuntu/member/lure] has joined #ubuntu-motu === tudenbart is now known as dothebart === viviersf [n=cain@gw.impilinux.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ceros_ [n=user@c-76-111-84-156.hsd1.va.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === thekorn [n=thekorn@a89-182-2-41.net-htp.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu === viviersf [n=cain@gw.impilinux.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-motu === yamal [n=yamal@unaffiliated/yamal] has joined #ubuntu-motu === oracle2025 [n=oracle@85-127-188-175.dynamic.adsl-line.inode.at] has joined #ubuntu-motu === coNP [n=conp@unaffiliated/conp] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:23] Hey Ubunteros! === superm1_ [n=superm1@ubuntu/member/superm1] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Zic [n=Zic@Final-Fantasy.FF-IRC.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === dholbach [n=daniel@i59F73875.versanet.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:39] good morning [09:40] morning dholbach [09:41] hey superm1! === dholbach hugs superm1 === superm1 hugs dholbach, so today's the day to forward app to TB right :)? [09:42] Hey superm1. I won :D [09:42] haha coNP, so you did... === coNP has now super cow powers. [09:43] No, that is apt. [09:43] yeah, absolutely [09:43] something about me never can understand the output of 'apt-get moo' [09:46] Subhuman: Maybe that's why you are not a MOTU yet :D [09:46] oh, sorry, I meant superm1 [09:47] soon enough, i guess i'll learn :) === allee [n=ach@dialin-212-144-128-190.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:52] Good afternoon (I guess), Hobbsee! [09:53] dholbach, perhaps you'd know, i asked a little bit before you joined in -devel, but didn't get any responses. if you include a Section in the source part of debian/control, is that alright when uploaded to ubuntu, since ubuntu has an override system? [09:54] evening coNP! [09:55] superm1: yeah, absolutely ok to add it [09:55] oh and in case my it wasn't clear in my sarcasm, congrats coNP :) [09:55] thanks, superm1 :) [09:55] BTW, do you know a Gnome application like KDE World Clock? :D [09:55] coNP: dont think there is one. it'd be too useful. [09:56] <^^MAg^^> there is on in Suse SLED SP1 [09:56] dholbach, great, that will make more universe source packages to work both in ubuntu and on a PPA (since PPAs dont have overrides) [09:56] Actually I wonder if it would be hard to port. [09:58] coNP: [17:58] Hobbsee: the default clock in GNOME has timezone, right click, preferences, display several timezones [10:03] Hobbsee, woah, that is some neat stuff. very useful [10:04] superm1: thank seb, i dont use gnome === sahin_w [n=KT@210.216.53.194] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jono [i=jono@ubuntu/member/jono] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:09] superm1: I'll write to techboard now [10:09] thx dholbach :) === Subhuman [n=jack@host217-43-36-191.range217-43.btcentralplus.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === neversfelde|mobi [n=neversfe@82.113.121.1] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:10] dholbach: you'll be at the meeting in 4 hours? [10:11] Hobbsee: yes and running the q&a session simultaneously [10:11] ...impressive === dharrigan [n=david@host12.williamhill.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:15] Wow. :) [10:15] Is it a good practice to assign bugs to MOTU? [10:15] coNP: no [10:15] And should they be corrected? [10:16] coNP: subscribe u-u-s if they have patches, otherwies unsubscribe motu [10:16] MOTU is a team of people - but no one actually does anything with those bugs. [10:16] It is incomplete. [10:16] I was wondering why it was assigned to MOTU. [10:16] I was going to close it for there was no answer from the submitter [10:17] Asked smart question & reassigned to myself :D [10:17] hehe :) [10:17] Hobbsee: thanks for the ONTV green light. [10:18] This can mean my very first upload :) [10:18] then the person who marked it was likely incompetent, and didnt know what they were doing. [10:18] coNP: yay! :) === atlas95_ [n=atlas@AVelizy-153-1-88-221.w90-2.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:21] I guess I can dput package to ubuntu. Right? [10:21] you should [10:22] coNP: yep [10:22] Too late :) [10:22] After it got accepted I should mark the bug "fix released" and assign it to myself, right? === mayeco [n=mayeco@200.75.192.12] has left #ubuntu-motu [] === atlas95__ [n=atlas@AVelizy-153-1-88-221.w90-2.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:27] coNP: yeah. or uplaod it, and mark it as fix released. [10:28] coNP: most people wont touch it, if they see it's already well in progress [10:28] coNP: of course, there are exceptions, who you are then free to enlighten on bug ettiquite [10:28] What do you mean? [10:29] coNP: once you've uploaded the package, you can mark the bug as fix released (or use the changelog closing love) [10:29] coNP: so it doesnt really matter which bits in particualr you do - it's more for notifying anyone curious of what is happening. [10:30] Yes. I forgot that, but will use it in the future. Yes, I also thought that "fix released" is the most important part so that poor MOTU UVF team does not need to check it again and again :) [10:30] coNP: then agian, there are some people, who i wont name names, who like going and changing bugs at random. those you are welcome to harrass [10:30] coNP: exactly :) === atlas95 [n=atlas@AVelizy-153-1-88-221.w90-2.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:30] er, s/harrass/politely inform about bug ettiquite, with a large brick, if needed/ [10:30] :D [10:31] :) [10:36] dholbach: what's the protocol on adding people to the MOTU council? [10:36] out of curiousity? === pgquiles [n=pgquiles@68.Red-83-33-70.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:36] didn't Ubuntu use to publish diffs as a series of split patches? [10:37] Q-FUNK: patches.ubuntu.com/by-release/ [10:39] coNP: or at least, that's my understanding. i may be wrong [10:39] Hobbsee: hmm... nope, that's not it. those are unified diffs. [10:39] BTW if I upload packages should I include the origtargz at for the first time and omit for next uploads, right? [10:40] I mean ubuntu1 with the orig.tar.gz and ubuntu versions without one. [10:41] coNP: if the same orig.tar.gz is in the ubuntu archive, you dont need to upload it again. [10:41] coNP: as in, so ubuntu or debian revisions you dont need to, but a new upstream release you do [10:41] Yes. That is I was right to upload ontv orig.tar.gz, but for possible future fix uploads I don't need this again [10:41] or for a merge [10:41] yeah, i think so === atlas95_ [n=atlas@AVelizy-153-1-88-221.w90-2.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Frogzoo [n=Frogzoo@202.155.165.25] has joined #ubuntu-motu === viviersf [n=cain@gw.impilinux.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:55] dholbach: what was the rationale behind dropping database support for planner, again? === Nicke [n=niclasa@ua-83-227-140-135.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Jazzva [n=sasa@cable-89-216-129-52.dynamic.sbb.co.yu] has joined #ubuntu-motu === minghua [n=minghua@ubuntu/member/minghua] has joined #ubuntu-motu === norsetto [n=norsetto@host237-230-dynamic.20-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:22] morning all [11:22] hey norsetto === norsetto bows humbly [11:24] Would you guys say that this: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/34864/ is a MIT/Expat License? licensecheck reports it as unknown. === TLE [n=kenneth@217.74.211.126] has joined #ubuntu-motu === neversfelde|mobi [n=neversfe@82.113.121.1] has joined #ubuntu-motu === viviersf [n=cain@gw.impilinux.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-motu === YannDinendal [n=Yann@dyn-83-156-159-173.ppp.tiscali.fr] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:34] norsetto: I wouldn't... Especially because of this: the unknown license "with or without fee", MIT/Expat "free of charge"... === Frogzoo [n=Frogzoo@202.155.165.25] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:36] Jazzva: yes, its more permissive [11:36] And: unknown license "Permission to use, copy, modify, and distribute"; MIT/Expat: "to use, copy, modify, merge, publish, distribute, sublicense, and/or sell"... The first one doesn't forbig the rest that's in MIT/Expat's license, but it also doesn't exclusivly permits it... [11:36] *forbid === jono [i=jono@ubuntu/member/jono] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:38] jazzva: actually its the "same", with or without fee and the MIT says sell [11:39] what the heck, I will ask to my lawyer [11:39] norsetto: :)... I'm not really good in licenses... === mok0 [n=mok@ghost.imsb.au.dk] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:41] jazzva: my lawyer is, she is actually specialised in software IP rights [11:42] norsetto: That's good :)... === pgquiles_ [n=pgquiles@101.Red-81-39-154.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:47] dholbach: I'm about to do gnome-orca/gnome-speech now. Ok if I ping you when they are ready for upload? === coNP asks someone to check my cheese and gnome-phone-manager UVFes. Both have 1 ACKs === norsetto bows humbly === DarkSun88 [n=Ma@ubuntu/member/darksun88] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:51] Hi [11:52] No. I am wrong. gnome-phone has none (bug 134229). [11:52] Launchpad bug 134229 in gnome-phone-manager "Please update gnome-phone-manager to 0.10" [Wishlist,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/134229 [11:52] DarkSun88: Hi there [11:52] Hi norsetto [11:52] But I stop spamming for now :) === freeflying [n=freeflyi@123.116.96.206] has joined #ubuntu-motu === norsetto stops bowing too [11:54] TheMuso: absolutely [11:55] dholbach: daniel, can we have a little talk (30 sec max)? [11:55] dholbach: Ok Thanks. [11:56] norsetto: of course === dholbach_ [n=daniel@i59F7728F.versanet.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu === viviersf [n=cain@gw.impilinux.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:23] mok0: reviewing wulfware now :) [12:31] mok0: not advocating, but most parts seem to be okay :) === Kmos [n=gothicx@unaffiliated/kmos] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ivoks [n=ivoks@32-209.dsl.iskon.hr] has joined #ubuntu-motu === toutouff [n=nicolas@gov91-1-82-234-90-217.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:41] mok0: wulfware/xmlsysd: you shouldn't depend on update-inetd (which doesn't work with xinetd), it's the job of the inetsuperserver to depend on update-inetd. [12:43] mok0: and drop netkit-inetd from depends: it was replaced with openbsd-inetd and you already depend on the inet-superserver virtual package === Fujitsu [n=fujitsu@ubuntu/member/fujitsu] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:47] dholbach: gnome-orca: http://www.themuso.id.au/ubuntu/gnome-orca - I will have gnome-speech done shortly. Just waiting for a test build. === jrib [n=jrib@upstream/dev/jrib] has joined #ubuntu-motu === chrisle [n=chris@e178069244.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:48] mok0: please use lsb functions in the init script === Fujitsu [n=fujitsu@ubuntu/member/fujitsu] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:48] TheMuso: rock on - will check it out in a bit [12:48] geser: elaborate, please [12:50] geser: I don't know what lsb functions you mean and for what purpose I should call them [12:51] RAOF: Around? === Jazzva is now known as Jazzva|away [12:51] mok0: . /lib/lsb/init-functions in you init script and use the log_*_msg functions instead of echo to print the output [12:51] geser: Ah, ok, thx. Will do [12:52] mok0: see the other init-scripts in /etc/init.d how they use them [12:52] dholbach: gnome-speech: http://www.themuso.id.au/ubuntu/gnome-speech [12:52] :O impossible, I got assigned an AM [12:52] geser: sure [12:52] Fujitsu: Who was assigned to you? [12:52] geser: did you notice anything else? [12:53] StevenK: zorglub [12:53] Hrm. [12:53] That nick doesn't ring a bell with me. [12:53] geser: It's the most complicated package I've done yet, so there can easily be things I've missed === Hobbsee pokes StevenK and Fujitsu into doing some reviewing [12:54] core-devs are exempt. === Fujitsu hides. [12:54] Hah. === Fujitsu wonders if he can convince someone to upload a new soundconverter to Debian. === coNP reviews a package if Hobbsee reviews one of my UVFe requests. :) === StevenK also hides. [12:55] mok0: as you shouldn't depend on update-inetd (there was a discussion about it on deb debian-devel-ML) you should check in xmlsysd.post{inst,rm} if update-inetd is executable [12:55] coNP: which one? [12:55] StevenK: no, you're not [12:55] Hobbsee: bug 134229 [12:55] Launchpad bug 134229 in gnome-phone-manager "Please update gnome-phone-manager to 0.10" [Wishlist,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/134229 [12:56] Fujitsu: you cant hide. [12:56] Fujitsu: and i'd try a DD for soundconverter === viviersf [n=cain@gw.impilinux.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:56] mok0: that's all I've found on a first look [12:57] Hobbsee: There is a DD lurking :P [12:57] coNP: done [12:58] Fujitsu: indeed. so do a review, then poke him === jeromeg [n=jerome@gra94-2-82-66-142-60.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:58] Hah. === Fujitsu reviews. [12:58] soren: ping [12:58] Thanks, Hobbsee. [12:59] ScottK: ping [01:01] Fujitsu: would you minding me into merging apt-watch? [01:02] Do you think it is worth accepting a package that is likely to be included in Texlive in Gutsy+1 (http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=23)? === Mez [n=Mez@ubuntu/member/mez] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:02] norsetto: looking at the changelog, that should be a sync. [01:02] norsetto: depending on what the apt deps are === jdstrand [n=james@mail.strandboge.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:03] Hobbsee: well, the build-depends should still be updated, no? [01:04] norsetto: it's only going to be building for gutsy anyway, which will likely be higher than the version mentioned in the control file. [01:04] assuming its' only a version thing. [01:04] norsetto: I believe it will be a sync, but I haven't touched it in ages. [01:05] Fujitsu: you did the last apt rebuild for it [01:05] norsetto: I guess the build-depends was only bumped to ensure that it got build with the recent apt at that time [01:06] Hobbsee: I don't think that really counts as touching. === DktrKranz [n=Luca@ubuntu/member/dktrkranz] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:06] Fujitsu: indeed. [01:06] right, so its just a question of checking, and it it build its a sync [01:06] geser: yeah, that's the usual logic. [01:06] Hobbsee: buoh reviewed [01:06] geser: of course, apt's a bit of a pain of a package, so... [01:06] StevenK: yay! === Hobbsee hugs StevenK [01:07] Heh, I try. [01:07] (don't know if it should be kept but the apt version in apt-watch in not the only change, we use libgamin instead of libfam) [01:07] Lutin: then i suck. [01:08] Lutin: i wonder why i didnt mention it in the remaining changes... [01:08] lutin: indeed [01:08] + an added buildded on gdk-pixbuf [01:08] luting: yeah, would you know why that? [01:08] nope [01:09] Hobbsee: maybe it was part of 'Retaining ubuntu builddep changes' you mentionned [01:09] lutin: was checking and only libgdk-pixbuf-gnome-dev depends on it [01:09] Lutin: oh, point [01:10] ok, let me check how it builds with just libgamin instead of libfam === Fujitsu has been seeing a few too many package bug lists over the past day. === asisak [n=conp@unaffiliated/conp] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:24] norsetto : the libgdk-pixbuf-dev thing is no longer needed, it has to ne dropped [01:24] Hobbsee: reviewed latex-cleveref [01:24] lutin: good, I just building without it :-) [01:24] coNP: \o/ === Hobbsee hugs coNP [01:25] Hobbsee: can you please harden the state of bug 119796 with a brick? Sync has been approved by the MOTU UVF before, but it is not enough for everyone :( [01:25] Launchpad bug 119796 in openbox "Please sync openbox (universe) from Debian unstable (main)." [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/119796 [01:26] Hobbsee: pong [01:26] norsetto: actually - the builddep was removed from the debian package 2 years back [01:27] ScottK: i'm looking to get our uvf people together for a meeting, but we're missing 2. [01:27] will try to get people at teh end of the meeting === jekil [n=alessand@host33-208-dynamic.58-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:27] lutin: yep, builds without any problem [01:28] coNP: looks done to me...they'll do it with confirmed. === Hobbsee hits it with the triaged stick anyway [01:28] norsetto: yep. would have been weird as apt-watch doesn't use it [01:28] Hobbsee: yes, but https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/openbox/+bug/119796/+activity shows this might change any time [01:28] Launchpad bug 119796 in openbox "Please sync openbox (universe) from Debian unstable (main)." [Unknown,Fix released] === coNP [n=conp@unaffiliated/conp] has left #ubuntu-motu ["c-x] === coNP [n=conp@unaffiliated/conp] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:29] Why do people think they should override (1) the bug assignee, (2) the MOTU-UVF, (3) the package archive admins... :( [01:29] coNP: true. [01:29] coNP: er, who did that? [01:29] Hobbsee: I give you 1 try. [01:30] coNP: was this before or after i yelled at him for it? [01:30] It was right now. [01:30] Err... it is frustrating when you work on bugs, get them approved by the MOTU-uvf and wait for the archive admins and see your bug changed back ... [01:30] Kmos: ping [01:30] coNP: agreed. [01:31] coNP: oh, he's assigned motu-uvf *again*, and changed the description? === Gasten [n=Gasten@h52n9c1o1095.bredband.skanova.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:32] BTW partially he did the right thing as I forgot to put parts of the changelog into the description (because it was attached as a changelog.diff) [01:32] Hobbsee: hi [01:33] Kmos: can you tell me what i said to you about changing other people's bugs, including sync requests? [01:33] Hobbsee: not to change them.. i've added the new version to the changelog [01:33] Kmos: and subscribed motu-uvf? [01:33] and set motu-uvf [01:33] Kmos: why? [01:33] Kmos: how is that included in the "do not change them?" [01:33] maybe because need to re-check ? [01:33] So how is that "Not chaniging" [01:34] geser: I was away, I saw your comment on update-inetd [01:34] Which big is it? [01:34] ScottK: I only do that because I see a new version [01:34] Kmos: no, it doesnt. remember that people *usually* know what they're doing. [01:34] Kmos: so to go and hijack their bug is Very Bad (tm) [01:34] Hobbsee: *usually*, i only try to help.. [01:34] Kmos: especially without asking them first. [01:34] Kmos: You were told "Don't change", you understand that, and yet you do it anyway. [01:34] ok.. [01:35] Not OK. [01:35] I am *usually* available here. And *usually* ask for a sync from the latest version. [01:35] Kmos: well, you annoy people when you hijack bugs. you may want to help in another way (like, working on bugs that people arent already working on) [01:35] coNP: Which bug number? [01:35] ScottK: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/openbox/+bug/119796 [01:35] Launchpad bug 119796 in openbox "Please sync openbox (universe) from Debian unstable (main)." [Unknown,Fix released] [01:35] Thanks. [01:36] ScottK: actually you approved that :) [01:36] With Hobbsee together. [01:36] Right. [01:36] Kmos: usually, the updater will ask us if it needs a re-request, or if anything else needs to happen. you dont need to come and do that. [01:36] Kmos: (because they likely already have, and it's not documented on the bug) [01:36] Hobbsee: i don't know that one :( [01:37] Kmos: dont understand, or did not know previously? [01:37] geser: so I check if update-inetd is executable, but what if it isn't? Abort or try to salvage? [01:37] Hobbsee: don't know really [01:37] Kmos: WHat part of don't change other people's bugs is confusing you? [01:37] coNP: first sorry again :( i think i'm doing something to help [01:37] Kmos: thumb rule. If the bug is assigned to someone or to some team do not ever change its state. [01:38] Kmos: dont know *now*, or didn't know *then*? [01:38] ScottK: not anymore.. === Hobbsee attempts to crack the language barrier. [01:38] Hobbsee: I know now :) [01:38] Kmos: cool :) [01:38] Kmos: then i hope we wont have to have this discussion again :) [01:38] Kmos: I doubt it. You know until the next time you think it would be helpful to ... [01:38] Hobbsee: I hope too [01:38] ScottK: calm down... === coNP as well :) === Jazzva|away is now known as Jazzva [01:38] ScottK is always a bit nervous [01:39] with me, ofcourse :) [01:39] Kmos: he's seen too much of your screwups, and is skeptical of whether you've learned [01:39] lutin: bug 134490. do you want to sponsor it? [01:39] Launchpad bug 134490 in apt-watch "Please merge apt-watch (0.3.2-9) from Debian unstable (main)" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/134490 [01:39] Hobbsee: people are not perfect and do mistakes. [01:40] Kmos: indeed. which is why "ask questions first, act later" :) [01:40] geser: forget about last question I understand it now [01:40] Kmos: but as long as you keep learning, you'll be fine [01:40] Hobbsee: i think that too [01:40] i'm waiting for ddclient for long time and nothing was been done [01:40] Kmos: it's in the queue. [01:40] like many things [01:40] if I ask here for it again.. someone kill me === DrKranz [n=Luca@ubuntu/member/dktrkranz] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:41] quite likely. [01:41] Hobbsee: currently is not working at ubuntu.. [01:41] someone will get to the queue [01:41] because you the dyndns.com stuff [01:41] *of [01:41] Hobbsee: i'm still waiting and doing other stuff :) [01:41] Kmos: cool. pick bugs that others *arent* already working on. [01:42] Kmos: there are 30000 in the system, i'm sure you can find some :) [01:42] Hobbsee: i understand that :) don't need to mention again [01:42] i think [01:42] <\sh> hmm... [01:42] i've 248 on my bug list [01:42] cool [01:42] nice [01:42] :) === viviersf [n=cain@gw.impilinux.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:44] <\sh> social problems can't be solved technical ;) [01:44] MOTU Q&A session in ~15 minutes! [01:45] dholbach: Isn't there the meeting as well? [01:45] Erm, meeting, isn't it? [01:45] meeting in #u-meeting [01:45] Q&A session #u-motu [01:45] sorry for the confusion and double booking [01:45] That sounds slightly counter-productive. [01:45] that was entirely my fault [01:46] it's just too late to change now and the meeting agenda seems short anyway [01:46] dholbach: so another daed meeting. [01:47] Hobbsee: it's important we have them regularly [01:47] dholbach: it's important there is life in them [01:47] the agenda is only fixed items [01:47] we won't make up agenda items just for the sake of it :) === gnomefreak [n=gnomefre@ubuntu/member/gnomefreak] has joined #ubuntu-motu === norsetto wonders if it is possible having the Q&A sessions as an agenda item [01:49] norsetto: You could mention it under other business. [01:49] You should ask this question when the Q&A session begins :) [01:50] oh my god, just got an email from the IRS!!! [01:51] wife just called for lunch, will be a bit late in both events (not that anyone will notice :-)) === ranf [n=ralfm@dslb-084-058-133-076.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === phanatic [n=phanatic@3e44b24a.adsl.enternet.hu] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:52] geser: so, summarizing, 1) dependencies and 2) post* scripts? [01:54] geser: never mind, looking at revu now === bigon [i=bigon@imladris.bigon.be] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jwendell [n=wendell@ubuntu/member/wendell] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:58] mok0: I also sent some comments to REVU === giskard [n=giskard@213-140-22-74.fastres.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Lamego [n=lamego@a81-84-231-104.cpe.netcabo.pt] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:00] welcome to the MOTU Q&A sessions! [02:01] so who of you is currently going through the MOTU Mentoring process or plans to become a MOTU soon? === coNP runs away... [02:01] coNP just recently joined the MOTUs and did great work on the Desktop - if you have desktop questions, be sure to ask him :) === dholbach makes a note to assign reviews to coNP in the future :) === dholbach hears no objections [02:02] :-) === mok0 puts up his hand [02:02] does anybody have packaging related questions? problems with any packages? [02:02] hey mok0 - how are you doing? [02:03] Working on the wulfware package. [02:03] mok0: nice - is that a new package? [02:03] Yes, a suite of programs for monitoring a cluster [02:03] woah rocking [02:03] did anybody help you with getting that rolling? [02:04] We've used it here for several years === jrib is here just to see what others ask [02:04] welcome jrib - if you have any questions or anything, just shout :) [02:04] mok0: so how is packaging it coming along? [02:05] It's close to being ready. There are a few outstanding issues with init scripts and maintainer scripts [02:05] The package contains an inetd controlled daemon [02:06]