[12:35] <DaSkreech> sehe: alt+space -> ctrl+C
[12:35] <sehe> malqos: i'd say try settings:/LookNFeel/ , Icons or Themes
[12:35] <terrestre> i love katapult
[12:35] <sehe> DaSkreech: good tip ty
[12:35] <terrestre> spell and calculator rock in katapult jaja
[12:35] <albertmk> DaSkreech, same here...
[12:36] <valentin13> GA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation Quadro NVS 110M / GeForce Go 7300 (rev a1)
[12:36] <DaSkreech> albertmk: oh try alt+space -> spell -> <spacebar> --> type words
[12:36] <sehe> malqos: you might have to create a theme containing the trash icon, but there should be ways to cahnge the single icon
[12:36] <DaSkreech> john777: decided what you are asking about yet?
[12:36] <valentin13> driver name
[12:36] <terrestre> alt + space 123
[12:37] <sehe> DaSkreech: i assumed john777 was pretty obvious and shallow question -> satisfied
[12:37] <albertmk> yay
[12:37] <DaSkreech> sehe:  I'm with you but if he actually needs help I'd like to see if I can give it
[12:38] <anatoliy> .
[12:38] <DaSkreech> assuming that john777 is a he :)
[12:38] <sehe> DaSkreech: I mean I don't go to @sales-microsoft and ask 'Is Vista worth my money' :D
[12:38] <terrestre> !kubuntu
[12:38] <ubotu> Kubuntu is Ubuntu with KDE, the K Desktop Environment, instead of Gnome. See http://kubuntu.org for more information - For support: #kubuntu - See also !KDE
[12:38] <SubOne> I just started a Krdc session with a friend and my screen resolution just went to like 640x480 and scrolls when i move my mouse to the borders of the screen... how do i fix it?
[12:38] <DaSkreech> sehe: Seeing as how he doesn't know what kubuntu is he may need help out of here and to where he is actually going
[12:38] <terrestre> !kde
[12:38] <ubotu> KDE (http://kde.org) is the !desktop environment used natively in !Kubuntu. To install from Ubuntu:  sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop , or see http://help.ubuntu.com/community/InstallingKDE) . Latest KDE version is 3.5.7 for Feisty, 3.5.6 for Edgy, and 3.5.5 for Dapper. See http://kubuntu.org) for more information.
[12:39] <DaSkreech> !windows
[12:39] <ubotu> For help with Microsoft Windows, please visit ##windows or your nearest mental health institute. See http://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+bug/1 http://linux.oneandoneis2.org/LNW.htm and !equivalents
[12:39] <terrestre> guajajaja
[12:39] <terrestre> ubotu its so funny
[12:39] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about its so funny - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[12:39] <terrestre> lol
[12:39] <SubOne> can someone answer my question, i can barely see anything
[12:39] <sehe> DaSkreech: obviously. I *have* answered the question (a bit more cnstructiveley than, er, some others :)) so i'll wait if there are more question s
[12:40] <DaSkreech> SubOne: are you on the computer with the bad resolution now?
[12:40] <SubOne> yes
[12:40] <DaSkreech> !resolution
[12:40] <ubotu> The X Window System is the part of your system that's responsible for graphical output. To restart your X, type  sudo /etc/init.d/?dm restart  in a console - To fix screen resolution or other X problems: http://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[12:40] <DaSkreech> SubOne: That URL might help
[12:40] <SubOne> DaSkreech: I don't want to restart X though...
[12:40] <DaSkreech> Oh wait
[12:40] <sehe> SubOne: reconnect the session. YOu probably tried to 'move' a fullscreen window. Things get a little messy with (1) krdc (2) fullscreen (3) move (alt+drag) (4) beryl
[12:40] <DaSkreech> Krdc
[12:40] <DaSkreech> Hmm
[12:41] <DaSkreech> listen to sehe :)
[12:41] <jenny_> what is the terminal command to delete wine
[12:41] <SubOne> sehe how do i stop krdc from goign fullscreen, this happens everytime
[12:41] <jenny_> apt-uninstal wine?
[12:42] <sehe> SubOne: I usually run Krdc in a separate X terminal without window manager in fullscreen. That way, all my keyboard events get ahndled by the remote session and I don't confuse the screen drawing
[12:42] <ELMANIFICO> who is from BG?
[12:42] <sehe> jenny_: sudo apt-get remove wine
[12:42] <jenny_> thanks
[12:42] <SubOne> sehe I closed it, but my res is still messed up
[12:42] <sehe> SubOne: that might be a bit complicated for your purposes...
[12:42] <SubOne> ?
[12:42] <terrestre> im the only guy that use more aptitude than apt-get?
[12:43] <ELMANIFICO> why i can not enter in another chanel?
[12:43] <sehe> SubOne: ok.. I have seen that happen with some gnome eductional games. There wasn't a solution except to logon again
[12:43] <jenny_> is it possible to somehow partition and put windows (yuck) on the computer to let my mother run juno?
[12:43] <sehe> ELMANIFICO: what do you do to try?
[12:43] <SubOne> sehe, i dont get how krdc can change my res, but i cant?
[12:43] <sehe> '/join #channel'
[12:44] <m4v3r1ck> terrestre: there's any difference between apt-get and aptitude? I'm seriusly asking
[12:44] <ELMANIFICO> am, i clik "FILE" after that i clik "join chanel"
[12:44] <sehe> SubOne: i suppose it shouldn't. It never did with me. It could be a bug. Like I said, I know of some gnome games that have that effect
[12:44] <sehe> ELMANIFICO: what IRC client?
[12:44] <albertmk> When I type "apt-get install x", it sometimes also install y packets too. If I type "apt-get remove x", will it also remove y?
[12:44] <terrestre> yeah, aptitude make a more large dependecies checking
[12:44] <sehe> albertmk: no
[12:45] <SubOne> sehe, well do you know how to stop it from goign fullscreen when i start it, so this doesnt happen again?
[12:45] <albertmk> :(
[12:45] <albertmk> thats bad
[12:45] <sehe> albertmk: you'll have to do 'sudo apt-get autoremove' to remove any 'unused' dependecies
[12:46] <sehe> SubOne: yes, there is an advanced option *before* starting, to choose fullscreen mode or not
[12:46] <ELMANIFICO> standart for kubuntu .I have linux kubuntu and i have option for irc ,but i can't join in to BG chanel
[12:46] <terrestre> !aptitude
[12:46] <ubotu> aptitude is another terminal-based front-end to APT, like apt-get. However, aptitude can remember the dependencies installed with a package and remove them if you uninstall. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AptitudeSurvivalGuide
[12:46] <terrestre> !aptitude > m4v3r1ck
[12:46] <SubOne> sehe: one of these?: krdc -caption "%c" %i %m %u
[12:46] <sehe> SubOne: uhoh seems like it might not
[12:46] <albertmk> so it is highly recommended to use aptitude instead of apt-get ?
[12:46] <sehe> SubOne: no not captions
[12:47] <SubOne> thats my run line
[12:47] <terrestre> !apt-get
[12:47] <sehe> SubOne: where do the params come from then>
[12:47] <sehe> !apt
[12:47] <m4v3r1ck> terrestre: gotcha
[12:47] <ubotu> APT is the Advanced Package Tool, which together with dpkg forms the basic Ubuntu package management toolkit. Short apt-get manual: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AptGetHowto - Also see !Synaptic (Gnome) or !Adept (KDE)
[12:47] <SubOne> sehe: those were what was in the kmenu when it was installed
[12:47] <ELMANIFICO> tanks,and goodnight
[12:48] <terrestre> apt-get its more powerfull,
[12:48] <sehe> SubOne: oh well ok. I use 'krdc' (Alt-F2) :)
[12:48] <DaSkreech> jenny_: What's Juno?
[12:48] <sehe> SubOne: you get a dialog...
[12:48] <SubOne> sehe yes
[12:48] <terrestre> i dont know why in howto only use apt-get
[12:49] <DaSkreech> ELMANIFICO: Where is the BG channel?
[12:49] <SubOne> sehe i tried setting the res to 1024x768... no help i guess i gotta logon again
[12:50] <sehe> SubOne: fraid so
[12:50] <jenny_> DaSkreech: its a retarded dial up email internet program that my mother cant live without *sigh*
[12:50] <colkhis> How can I run xdm instead of kdm? I dont have this option at login.
[12:50] <terrestre> !xdm
[12:50] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about xdm - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[12:50] <DaSkreech> jenny_: It's an ISP/
[12:50] <DaSkreech> or a mail client?
[12:51] <terrestre> i dont know xdm
[12:51] <jenny_> www.juno.com
[12:51] <jenny_> it does email and internet
[12:51] <terrestre> lol
[12:51] <DaSkreech> colkhis: Just replace it
[12:51] <terrestre> jenny_: ? jajaja
[12:51] <sherwin> i need help with KPPP
[12:51] <jenny_> terrestre: what is jajaja?
[12:51] <DaSkreech> Why do you want XDM?
[12:51] <m4v3r1ck> jenny_: hahaha in spanish I suppose
[12:51] <DaSkreech> I assume it's a good reason :)
[12:52] <jenny_> I absolytely cannot get get juno to run unless I use Linspire but I will not do that.
[12:52] <sherwin> my modem dials out and gets that "handshake" tones, but i get an error from KPPP "Timeout expired while waiting for the ppp interface to come up"
[12:52] <jenny_> it doesnt support wine either
[12:52] <terrestre> i thought that jenny_ was a spam
[12:52] <sehe> DaSkreech: probably for LTSP-like purposes with standard xdmcp caps
[12:52] <DaSkreech> jenny_: Use Gparted and make a 4 Gig partition for Windows
[12:52] <jenny_> i am not a spam. i am a cranky woman who has to get this program to work one way or another
[12:53] <terrestre> the programa juno?
[12:53] <colkhis> DaSkreech: Which configuration file says what the default dm is?
[12:53] <colkhis> DaSkreech: No good reason really :). Just testing something.
[12:53] <sehe> colkhis: i'd recommend kdm over xdm. It has a larger feature set, and needless to say runs KDE nicely
[12:53] <jenny_> i'll have to buy windows wont i, there is no "skeleton version" that will take less space? its only going to be used for running juno
[12:54] <DaSkreech> sehe: No it doesn't :-P
[12:54] <jenny_> my stubborn mother refuses to use the better email programs
[12:54] <sehe> DaSkreech: *sigh* please explain what doesnt
[12:54] <DaSkreech> the DM has no influence on how the desktop or window manager runs
[12:54] <DaSkreech>  it may integrate more nicely
[12:54] <SubOne> sehe: even if i set it to 1024x768 (my current res) is still meses it up
[12:54] <colkhis> sehe: I know. I am using it all the time. Just wondering how theoretically it can be replaced for one session.
[12:54] <terrestre> jenny_: mm wine doesnt work?
[12:55] <sehe> DaSkreech: than that might be what i meant :D
[12:55] <jenny_> no, juno will not work with wine (per juno tech support)
[12:55] <DaSkreech> cause you can have a seamless KDM -> kDE splash -> KDE desktop transistion
[12:55] <sehe> colkhis: That's a bit counter to the nature of a DM. I'd say it can;t
[12:55] <DaSkreech> colkhis: Oh one session that's easy
[12:55] <DaSkreech> install xdm and I should ask to be set as default say no
[12:56] <sehe> colkhis: You can use KDM to launch a gnome session though. Hit Alt-T in the logon screen
[12:56] <Azzco> Hi, file transfer in kopete with gtalk doesn't work does it? =(
[12:56] <DaSkreech>  then sudo /etc/init.d/kdm stop && sudo /etc/init.d/xdm start
[12:56] <runlevelten> Don't bother asking tech support whether stuff will work with wine, as 90% of the time they don't have the first idea and/or say no as a matter of policy
[12:56] <jenny_> I figure if I cant get wine or linux to work it then I will have no other choice but to put windows back on my computer
[12:56] <sehe> Or any other installed desktop session type
[12:56] <jenny_> I couldnt get wine to work anyways
[12:56] <DaSkreech> jenny_: Safe assumption. I'm taking it you have no Windows install CD?
[12:56] <jenny_> not anymore I dont
[12:57] <jenny_> actually thinking back it came preinstalled on the computer when i bought it (of course huh)
[12:57] <DaSkreech> jenny_: Well ask your mom for the asking price of Vista :) that should get her to convert rigth quick
[12:57] <jenny_> i do not want to pay to put that crap back on my computer if I can avoid it
[12:57] <runlevelten> Is this the music download software?
[12:57] <colkhis> sehe: I don't have gnome installed. I so have xdm though. But no option for it on the login screen. (using kubuntu7.04).
[12:57] <runlevelten> jenny_: Is this the music download software?
[12:57] <sehe> SubOne: you might search synaptic for 'rdp' and select one of the other available clients. Most will use 'rdesktop' as the backend, but you may have more luck
[12:57] <jenny_> no, i deleted juno when i switched to linux so it will be ME paying it
[12:57] <DaSkreech> colkhis: you do know that XDM IS the login screen right?
[12:58] <albertmk> omg, Vista doesnt work
[12:58] <SubOne> is rdesktop not what i want then?
[12:58] <DaSkreech> !doesnt work
[12:58] <ubotu> Doesn't work is a strong statement. Does it sit on the couch all day? Does it want more money? Is it on IRC all the time? Please be specific! Examples of what doesn't work tend to help too.
[12:58] <albertmk> Cant even play damn StarCraft on Vista!!!
[12:58] <sehe> albertmk: lol that seems a redundant remakr
[12:58] <runlevelten> Yeah, it's Vista. It's not *supposed* to "work".
[12:58] <jenny_> run: no its an email program that also lets her go online. And doing juno online via the internet (FF) isnt the same
[12:58] <sehe> SubOne: rdesktop *is* what you use. It is the CLI
[12:58] <jenny_> different lay out, different features, etc
[12:59] <SubOne> ok
[12:59] <SubOne> sehe ill look for another, ty
[12:59] <sehe> SubOne: however, the GUI clients like krdc are easy to use
[12:59] <terrestre> jenny_: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=1195979 <--- something like that?
[12:59] <jenny_> I wonder if there is some way around having to BUY it
[12:59] <SubOne> sehe, yeah but it breaks my res
[12:59] <colkhis> DaSkreech: May be, but from that login screen I can start KDE session and failsafe mode. I can not get the xdm with ugly green windows and grey background.
[12:59] <sehe> SubOne: mmm nasty
[12:59] <DaSkreech> colkhis: I don't think you know what you are asking for :)
[01:00] <sehe> colkhis: you mean like. twm?!
[01:00] <DaSkreech> colkhis: You want X without the KDE?
[01:00] <runlevelten> I'm looking to see if I can download a trial or something to try in wine
[01:00] <SubOne> sehe: also ever since i first started using it, now my login screen resoultion is all messed up when i first turn on the computer
[01:00] <colkhis> yes i guess that's what I want
[01:00] <sehe> colkhis: that's as simple as 'sudo X :1'
[01:00] <jenny_> terre: that is the program she wants to run however I am not able to get wine to run it (never could seem to figure it out no matter how much confusing jargon i read)
[01:00] <DaSkreech> jenny_: Did the computer come with a CD?
[01:00] <sehe> SubOne: ok ic
[01:00] <jenny_> I have the compaq system restore cd
[01:00] <DaSkreech> >_<
[01:00] <SubOne> sehe: I don't know how to fix it
[01:00] <sehe> SubOne: Try to restore a backup of /etc/X11/xorg.conf then
[01:01] <DaSkreech> that will wipe the whole drive
[01:01] <sehe> !x | SubOne
[01:01] <ubotu> SubOne: The X Window System is the part of your system that's responsible for graphical output. To restart your X, type  sudo /etc/init.d/?dm restart  in a console - To fix screen resolution or other X problems: http://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[01:01] <sherwin> need some help with a dialup connection... anyone game?
[01:01] <SubOne> sehe: Krdc edits the xorg.conf?
[01:01] <raylu> !ask | sherwin
[01:01] <ubotu> sherwin: Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[01:02] <DaSkreech> colkhis: the command that sehe gave should do you right
[01:02] <sherwin> i need help configuring a dialup connection. The error i keep getting from KPPP is something regarding timeout waiting for ppp interface to start
[01:02] <sehe> SubOne: I shan't think so, but maybe some things interfered resulting in .... bla. At least, kdm *reads* xorg.conf, so it makes sense to look there
[01:02] <jenny_> i dont want to have to start from scratch all over again, thats how i got in this jam in the first place. there has GOT to be a way to keep kubuntu and get a free kind of windows that is only "windows enough" to just run this one program
[01:02] <jenny_> Its very frustrating
[01:02] <DaSkreech> jenny_: what does she use Juno for?
[01:02] <sehe> colkhis: after that use 'DISPLAY=:1 xterm&' e.g. to start applications
[01:02] <jenny_> da: email
[01:03] <DaSkreech> I guess you could get Windows 98
[01:03] <DaSkreech> It's small and old
[01:03] <jenny_> da: free?
[01:03] <colkhis> sehe: thanks. I think thats what I wanted.
[01:03] <runlevelten> You could always run it in a vm if you felt the need to.
[01:03] <sehe> jenny_: i suppose you can find it 'free'
[01:03] <sehe> colkhis: cheers
[01:03] <runlevelten> At least then you could protect it with a decent OS.
[01:03] <jenny_> da: going to do a google search for free win 98
[01:04] <sehe> jenny_: in case you need a key, it's '3555 -5555' (or more 5's as needed)
[01:04] <runlevelten> It wants me to "sign up" before I can get the client. That sucks.
[01:04] <jenny_> sehe: a key? what?
[01:04] <sehe> jenny_: Windows asks a key when installing. Win98 being *oooold* no real key is needed. 355555... it he 'default' key to use
[01:05] <sehe> it he = is the *
[01:05] <runlevelten> Did you try installing the linspire package?
[01:05] <sehe> !info linspire | sehe
[01:05] <jenny_> run: I thought linspire would be replacing kubuntu if i downloaded it
[01:06] <tombar> anyone here that frequently plays wow via wine is expiriencing problems after last kubuntu update?
[01:06] <sehe> omg! it's 1am i should be in coma
[01:06] <DaSkreech> sehe: Please don't help with warez
[01:06] <runlevelten> If there's a juno package for linspire it will probably install on kubuntu
[01:06] <DaSkreech>  I was more thinking asking a friend if they had a copy
[01:06] <sehe> cheers kind ppls i have had a good time
[01:06] <sehe> cya
[01:06] <DaSkreech>  !vm
[01:06] <ubotu> There are several solutions for running other operating systems (or their programs) inside Ubuntu, while using the native CPU as much as possible: !QEmu (with !KQemu or !qvm86), !VirtualBox, !VMWare, as well as !WINE and !Cedega for Windows applications
[01:06] <DaSkreech> jenny_: ^^^
[01:06] <DaSkreech> that may help your woes a lot btw
[01:07] <sehe> DaSkreech: i venture that you could even obtain win98 'free' from microsoft, where it not that they want to avoid the suggestion that they'd still support it
[01:07] <jenny_> i dont know what that stuff is
[01:07] <jenny_> i barely know what im doing with kubuntu (switched from windows)
[01:07] <sehe> DaSkreech: I can, for a fact, download it for free from MSDN, and the key (355555) is mentioned in the PUBLIC area
[01:07] <terrestre> for qemu you need a dual core
[01:07] <jenny_> i dont have a dual core
[01:08] <sehe> DaSkreech: thanks for good company :)
[01:08] <DaSkreech> sehe: You will never get old Software free from windows
[01:08] <jenny_> i'm confused
[01:09] <DaSkreech>  they will tell you very blatnantly how bad it is and what a mistake it is to run it and point you at new working secure perfect softwre
[01:09] <DaSkreech> jenny_: Sorry
[01:09] <DaSkreech> jenny_: Those are Virtual machines. A computer program that pretends to be a operating system
[01:09] <tombar> anyone here that frequently plays wow via wine is expiriencing problems after last kubuntu update???
[01:10] <runlevelten> http://www.linspire.com/lindows_products_details.php?product_id=12130
[01:10] <runlevelten> :\
[01:10] <DaSkreech> You run it and it simulates a Computer starting up. YOu can run it in a window with a whole new Operating systme
[01:10] <DaSkreech> tombar: #winehq
[01:10] <jenny_> da: really? so i dont have to feed the devil by paying for windows?
[01:10] <DaSkreech> jenny_: You can install it and install windows inside
[01:11] <jenny_> da: i can install windows in it for free?
[01:11] <tombar> ty DaSkreech
[01:11] <DaSkreech> jenny_: nope still gotta pay :) but it makes your maintence and overall life easier
[01:11] <runlevelten> If you have a windows license, yes.
[01:11] <jenny_> dont suppose there is an apt-get install free fake windows?
[01:11] <jenny_> :)
[01:11] <runlevelten> wine.
[01:12] <scheater5> Isn't virtualbox in the repos?  Then you could just "sudo apt-get install virtualbox" - which is darn close to "install free fake windows"
[01:12] <DaSkreech> jenny_: :-) We are trying to wean you off as much as possible why give drugs to a druggie?
[01:12] <DaSkreech> scheater5: Except you still have to buy windows
[01:12] <scheater5> DaScreech: very true.
[01:13] <jenny_> da: you dont have to because i have no intention of using it. It is for my mother who will only use juno for email and absolutely refuses to use any other email program and isnt happy with the online juno
[01:13] <runlevelten> jenny_: you know you can press tab to complete names.
[01:13] <scheater5> jenny: and you've had no joy with wine?
[01:13] <jenny_> runlevelten: thanks for that tip, i will be sure to remember that
[01:14] <jenny_> scheater5: not one little bit
[01:14] <runlevelten> Well a VM program will do the job just dandy.
[01:14] <terrestre> but juno its available for linespire
[01:14] <jenny_> terrestre: if i download linspire it will replace kubuntu right?
[01:14] <raylu> that depends on how you install it
[01:14] <runlevelten> and as mentioned, I'm pretty darn sure that if you lay your hands on that deb we can try and get it running on kubuntu for you.
[01:14] <raylu> but i wouldn't recommend linspire
[01:14] <jenny_> deb?
[01:15] <raylu> .deb files are debian packages
[01:15] <terrestre> deb like .exe in windows
[01:15] <jenny_> oh
[01:15] <runlevelten> the linspire version of juno.
[01:15] <terrestre> .deb = .exe
[01:15] <raylu> er...no they're not, terrestre
[01:15] <scheater5> If it's available for linspire, in theory isn't the source avaiable, and therefore it's "available" for ubuntu, too - you just have to compile it.
[01:15] <runlevelten> No, they're really not at all.
[01:15] <terrestre> i now
[01:15] <terrestre> i mean
[01:15] <scheater5> raylu: there's close enough for this discussion.
[01:15] <terrestre> i know
[01:15] <runlevelten> scheater5: No.
[01:16] <terrestre> runlevelten: go ahead to the explanation to jenny_
[01:16] <scheater5> Juno proprietary, they just released an executable for linspire?
[01:16] <runlevelten> jenny, those debs are like the "Installshield" thingies you download, but a whole lot smarter and better.
[01:16] <jenny_> i dont know how to download linspire in a manner that will not replace kubuntu
[01:16] <raylu> make a new partition for it
[01:17] <runlevelten> or install it in a vm.
[01:17] <scheater5> jenny: sounds like you're after a dual boot.
[01:17] <jenny_> scheater5: yes
[01:17] <terrestre> i dont know linespire
[01:18] <jenny_> its my last hope of making juno work and making her happy
[01:18] <scheater5> terrestre: I wouldn't recommend it, but it isn't horrible.
[01:18] <terrestre> but if you already have linespire, kubuntu can put pretty easy to a dual boot
[01:18] <jenny_> terrestre: i dont have linspire
[01:18] <jenny_> terrestre: i know where to download it online
[01:19] <jenny_> terrestre:  but i'd scream if i did it wrong and wiped kubuntu. i have never partitioned before
[01:19] <scheater5> so, then, jenny, what is your setup now.  What are you running on the computer that you want juno on?
[01:19] <terrestre> linespire its debian base too
[01:19] <jenny_> scheater5: my set up? I have Kubuntu (but not KDE)
[01:20] <scheater5> thats...interesting.  So a kubuntu install, and then you uninstalled kde?
[01:21] <jenny_> scheater5:  no, i had a friend put it on for me from his computer on the east coast while i watched
[01:21] <scheater5> Well, at any rate, I guess that's irrelevant - so you have the entire harddrive in one partition, and kubuntu takes up all of it?
[01:21] <jenny_> scheater5: i believe so yes because its the only thing running
[01:22] <scheater5> Do you know what kind of filesystem the partition is?  ex2, ex3, xfs, etc?
[01:22] <jenny_> let me ask the fella who put it on for me brb
[01:22] <DaSkreech> scheater5: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=1195979
[01:23] <DaSkreech> scheater5: see if that helps
[01:23] <terrestre> how i can get that deb to linespirte?
[01:24] <scheater5> What am I looking at here, DaSkreech?  Doesn't that say there's a deb for juno somewhere?
[01:24] <DaSkreech> scheater5: There is
[01:24] <DaSkreech> On the Juno site
[01:24] <terrestre> but we need a account
[01:24] <terrestre> http://www.linspire.com/products_linspire_whatis.php <-- lol
[01:24] <DaSkreech> http://www.juno.com/support/faq/fgtg04.html
[01:25] <DaSkreech> terrestre: That's great!
[01:25] <DaSkreech> They have KDE as a plus over Ubuntu :)
[01:25] <scheater5> I would assume Jenny has an account if his mother is already using it.  That kind of makes all this talk of installing other OS's and distros moot.  All jenny needs is that deb
[01:25] <DaSkreech> scheater5: jenny_ is female
[01:26] <scheater5> I didn't know, so I used the neutral him.
[01:26] <DaSkreech> That's cool just letting you know
[01:26] <scheater5> Thanks.
[01:26] <jenny_> scheater5: I had tried downloading the linspire set up but it couldnt find a something or other to run it and told me i had to install internet explorer
[01:27] <runlevelten> That's what I'm thinking, get the deb, try and drop it on kubuntu - probably find it works fine
[01:27] <scheater5> Well, jenny, it would seem that we have come up with something simpler.  And runlevelten just beat me to it.
[01:27] <jenny_> drop it on kubuntu?
[01:27] <scheater5> lol - install it
[01:28] <jenny_> let me try that again because last time it said what i said it said before
[01:28] <runlevelten> It's aptable as well I assume. Anyone got access to a Linspire sources.list?
[01:28] <jenny_> what about using frespire instead? i dont want to pay
[01:28] <jenny_> i'm broke
[01:29] <scheater5> not a bad idea - I don't, but I bet there's one floating around somewhere, like a linspire forum.
[01:29] <runlevelten> I did actually suggest that a way up there ^^^, but nobody listens to me.
[01:29] <zabadapp> question: i get over 90% "wait" (in top) while copying a dvd (with dma on) ... the same happened while copying to an usb-memorystick ... anyone know where to look?
[01:29] <terrestre> what do you downloaded from juno?
[01:30] <jenny_> terrestre: it was the link that said Juno Linspire Set Up
[01:30] <scheater5> While freespire is an option, I highly suggest you just download the .deb and install it.  "dpkg [path to file] .deb"
[01:30] <jenny_> scheater5:  I dont know what that means either
[01:30] <jenny_> sorry about my ignorance guys
[01:30] <runlevelten> jenny_: no probs
[01:30] <zabadapp> (or right-click --> "install")
[01:31] <runlevelten> Do we actually have the deb then?
[01:31] <runlevelten> anyone?
[01:31] <scheater5> No worries - and who said they found a link to the deb?  If they're not around I'll find it.
[01:31] <scheater5> I think it was DaSkreech - you still around, man?
[01:31] <terrestre> what is the name of the thing that you downloaded
[01:31] <DaSkreech> scheater5: In a manner of speaking
[01:32] <jenny_> terrestre: be right back, i have to check
[01:32] <scheater5> Did you ever actually lay your hands, metaphorically speaking, on that deb?  Or do you have a link?
[01:33] <runlevelten> Aha! I have a tarball of it.
[01:33] <DaSkreech> http://www.juno.com/support/faq/fgtg04.html
[01:33] <DaSkreech> I have that
[01:33] <DaSkreech> runlevelten: URL?
[01:34] <terrestre> We also support a Linspire (Linux) version of Juno. For more information, please visit the main Juno page.
[01:34] <LogicalDash> When I save my session in KDE, the Tomboy tray icon isn't preserved. What could be going wrong?
[01:34] <runlevelten> Right, I just need to get into something a little more kubuntu and get this juno thing working. BRB
[01:35] <jenny_> she has juno platimun
[01:35] <scheater5> Linspire is debian based, right?  So the file is .deb?  Which means, assuming all dependencies are met, we can just throw it on kubuntu?
[01:35] <jeffmitchell> hi all, does anyone here know how to make apache open automatically on startup? (via the command line?)
[01:36] <DaSkreech> LogicalDash: Tomboy doesn't respect KDE sessions
[01:37] <DaSkreech> scheater5: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=1195979
[01:37] <LogicalDash> DaSkreech, any easy way I can just make it run on startup then? Maybe .bash_profile or something?
[01:37] <DaSkreech> !autostart
[01:37] <ubotu> To make programs autostart with your KDE session, you can make a link to it in ~/.kde/Autostart. The package 'kcontrol-autostart' makes a kcontrol item for handling items in that directory.
[01:38] <LogicalDash> DaSkreech, thanks!
[01:39] <jeffmitchell> ubotu: but if i only have a CLI?
[01:39] <LogicalDash> jeffmitchell, ubotu is a robot
[01:39] <jeffmitchell> opps
[01:39] <Doctor_Nick> the shame was too much
[01:39] <DaSkreech> jeffmit.. damn!
[01:39] <jenny_> whats this? http://www.juno.com/support/faq/fgp01.html
[01:40] <DaSkreech> jenny_: Btw please write juno and thank them very much for supporting Linux
[01:40] <terrestre> lol
[01:40] <scheater5> Well, someone there apparently got it to work with mepis, but that page no longer exists.  So, it seems that all you have do to is meet the dependencies (which it seems is merely java) and then install the deb
[01:41] <terrestre> i think that him dont have the .deb
[01:41] <terrestre> dont has the juno for linespire
[01:42] <scheater5> I was getting there!  Apparently somewhere in that juno site is a deb for linspire that works out of the box with ubuntu, I just can't access it because I can't sign into the juno site.  But that's what seems to be true, judging from that forum posting DaSkreech sent me.
[01:42] <DaSkreech> jenny_: you will have to login on the site to get the deb
[01:42] <DaSkreech> I have to go
[01:42] <DaSkreech>  My country is under lock down and night is coming
[01:43] <underdog5004> I've got a scripting question, anyone ready for it?
[01:43] <terrestre> what country DaSkreech?
[01:43] <hitmanWilly> underdog5004, shoot
[01:43] <drif> DaSkreech: which country is that?
[01:43] <DaSkreech> jamaica
[01:43] <terrestre> ooh
[01:43] <terrestre> sad
[01:43] <drif> :-\
[01:43] <jenny_> i did. i am under her log in now. i was able to download the linspire set up before, but when i went to use wine i thought it would work better with windows because of something someone else told me in another chat program so i deleted that and downloaded the juno set up for windows. i just deleted that and am trying to find the download for linspire. i found it but now it wont let me access it because he has juno platinum. what a mess
[01:43] <scheater5> Well, that sucks.  Peace, DaSkreech.
[01:43] <zabadapp> underdog5004: yes
[01:44] <runlevelten> I'm just trying to build the juno deb for kubuntu now.
[01:44] <scheater5> runlevelten: I think jenny just said she got it installed, and was now having trouble signing in
[01:44] <underdog5004> hitmanWilly, ok, I've got a server with...movies on it. Occasionally, I'll scp a movie to my desktop. I also do rsync backups from my desktop to my server. I want to build a list (easy with ls) of files in my movies dir on my server, and have my desktop parse that and look for/exclude matches that are found on my desktop:/home/me/Desktop/
[01:44] <underdog5004> lol
[01:44] <DaSkreech> runlevelten: Please give me the URL for the tarball you have I think it's spurious
[01:44] <jenny_> i'm hoping that i dont have to delete her juno platimun in order to download the linspire just to see if it works because if itdoesnt then i'll never hear the end of it
[01:44] <DaSkreech> scheater5: No she said she had the deb and deleted it
[01:45] <runlevelten> I've just logged out of the system where I got it DaSkreech
[01:45] <DaSkreech> jenny_: No fear of having to do that :)
[01:45] <scheater5> DaSkreech: Ah - I retract that statement then.
[01:45] <hitmanWilly> underdog5004, man diff, that should get you started :)
[01:46] <underdog5004> ok, thanks
[01:46] <DaSkreech> underdog5004: and ls -1
[01:46] <underdog5004> why -l?
[01:46] <DaSkreech> that's a one not a l
[01:46] <underdog5004> oh
[01:46] <DaSkreech> I knew you were going to do that :)
[01:46] <underdog5004> ha ha
[01:46] <runlevelten> Right, I have the startup screen.
[01:46] <underdog5004> I see the output is different, thank you
[01:46] <sparr> when i install/upgrade kde it asks if i want windows or kde style hotkeys and window behavior.  specifically if i want one or two clicks to open files/programs.  where can i change that?
[01:46] <DaSkreech> Bye all see you when I get home and have a bath
[01:46] <jenny_> i'm going to email juno and askthem to send me the linspire dec
[01:46] <jenny_> deb
[01:47] <runlevelten> jenny_: I have the linux client running here on kubuntu, but no way to test it as I have no account. You want I should chuck you what I have?
[01:47] <DaSkreech> jenny_: again thank them for supporting LInux. let them know you have issues but thank them for showing the consideration
[01:47] <DaSkreech> Night!!
[01:48] <runlevelten> Juno: Signup - I want to create a new account | I already have an account: Member ID
[01:48] <runlevelten> etc
[01:48] <scheater5> Alright all, it's about that time for me.  PEACE
[01:48] <jenny_> to the fellas leaving: thanks for helping me, i really do appreciate your time!
[01:49] <runlevelten> jenny_: PMing you.
[01:50] <jenny_> runlevelten:  it wont let me PM because i am not registered
[01:51] <runlevelten> ok, type /msg nickserv register and follow the instructions
[01:51] <jenny_> where do i type that?
[01:51] <runlevelten> anywhere
[01:51] <runlevelten> ie: anywhere in your irc program
[01:51] <jenny_> can i type it in here where i am typing now
[01:51] <runlevelten> yeah
[01:52] <jenny_> i dont understand what it just spat out at me
[01:52] <jenny_> [Notice]  -NickServ- Syntax: REGISTER <password>
[01:52] <runlevelten> OK, let me find a non-work server for you to download from then.
[01:52] <runlevelten> I can't give out a work one on main.
[01:52] <jenny_>  [Notice]  -NickServ- Type: /msg NickServ HELP REGISTER for more information
[01:53] <elite101> hey (althou i feel dumb for saying this) can i make a HDD into a ISO image? like 9660? i have a windows cd but its wrecked and my HDD has it on there so i was wondering if u can partition a HDD so that it will boot up the isoimage?
[01:53] <runlevelten> you just type /msg nickserv register yourchosenpasswordhere
[01:53] <elite101> dont flame on me but maybe it might work?
[01:53] <jenny_>  [Notice]  -NickServ- The nickname [Jenny_]  is already registered
[01:54] <runlevelten> hang on.
[01:54] <elite101> u need this
[01:54] <elite101>  /msg NickServ IDENTIFY <password>
[01:54] <goodhabit> Adept manager - is front-end for aptitude? Or apt-get? Or...?
[01:54] <elite101> type in ur password in the <>
[01:54] <elite101> jenny, type  /msg NickServ IDENTIFY <password> and fill in the pasword
[01:54] <elite101> jenny_, ^
[01:55] <drif> elite101: I believe the main prob is that your dvd media isn't writable as such.. like hdd or flash-disk is and might cause some probs with normal windows installation
[01:55] <elite101> mhm? well i dont see why?
[01:55] <jenny_>  /msg NickServ IDENTIFY <Patrick>
[01:55] <elite101> i can try it?
[01:55] <jenny_> ?
[01:55] <elite101> ohhh lol
[01:55] <elite101> :) thans
[01:55] <runlevelten> jenny_: download http://www.edsgenericforum.com/hotlinks/juno_6.2.0b5-5.0.0.50.linspire0.3.tar.gz
[01:55] <elite101> nice password
[01:55] <runlevelten> let me know when that's done
[01:57] <elite101> lol linespire?
[01:57] <elite101> :S
[01:58] <runlevelten> jenny_: You done man?
[01:58] <runlevelten> :|
[01:59] <rajkalyan> LOL
[01:59] <rajkalyan> ROFL
[01:59] <underdog5004> which program would I use to strip "/path/to/my/files" from a file several hundred times?
[01:59] <rajkalyan> LOLROFLLOLROFL
[01:59] <rajkalyan> LOL
[01:59] <rajkalyan> rofl
[01:59] <rajkalyan> ROFL
[01:59] <rajkalyan> LOL
[01:59] <rajkalyan> ROFL
[01:59] <rajkalyan> LOL
[01:59] <rajkalyan> ROFL
[01:59] <rajkalyan> LOL
[01:59] <rajkalyan> ROFL
[01:59] <rajkalyan> L9L
[01:59] <rajkalyan> LOL
[01:59] <rajkalyan> L
[01:59] <rajkalyan> LLLL
[01:59] <rajkalyan> LOL
[01:59] <rajkalyan> ROFL
[01:59] <rajkalyan> LOL
[01:59] <runlevelten> !flood
[01:59] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[01:59] <rajkalyan> ROFL
[01:59] <rajkalyan> 
[01:59] <rajkalyan> 
[01:59] <rajkalyan> 
[02:00] <underdog5004> rajkalyan, please stop
[02:00] <rajkalyan> 
[02:00] <underdog5004> I will call the ops
[02:00] <rajkalyan> 
[02:00] <rajkalyan> !FLOOOD
[02:00] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about floood - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[02:00] <rajkalyan> !FLOOD
[02:00] <underdog5004> thank you, rajkalyan
[02:00] <jenny_> runlevelten: it said The process for the http://www.edsgenericforum.com protocol died unexpectedly.
[02:00] <drif> underdog5004: awk/sed?
[02:01] <jenny_> elite101: re: my password, be nice
[02:02] <runlevelten> jenny_: Would you mind hurrying it up if you want this sorted... it's kind of 1am here..
[02:03] <jenny_> runlevelten: it said The process for the http://www.edsgenericforum.com protocol died unexpectedly. so now i dont know what to do
[02:03] <elite101> lol password i can bee as mean as possible if i knew ur email and stuff i can raid everything with that password ;) but im not like that so no worry it was just a slip of the rist :)
[02:03] <runlevelten> paste it into firefox or something then http://www.edsgenericforum.com/hotlinks/juno_6.2.0b5-5.0.0.50.linspire0.3.tar.gz
[02:04] <rajkalyan> >-)
[02:04] <jenny_> ok
[02:04] <rajkalyan> Qui?
[02:04] <drif> jenny_: wget "http://www.edsgenericforum.com/hotlinks/juno_6.2.0b5-5.0.0.50.linspire0.3.tar.gz" - would that work better?
[02:04] <runlevelten> choose save to disk
[02:04] <rajkalyan> LOLROFL
[02:04] <rajkalyan> LOLROFLLOLROFL
[02:05] <jenny_> oh god the computerx crashing
[02:06] <drif> hm..
[02:06] <runlevelten> No feedback on whether you've got it yet?
[02:07] <runlevelten> Right, I'm going to have to go, so here are some instructions someone else can walk you through.
[02:07] <runlevelten> You need to untar the download, then you need to do: sudo cp -dpR marlin_build_juno-6.2 /opt/juclient
[02:08] <runlevelten> then you need to do /opt/juclient/runclient.sh
[02:09] <runlevelten> if you keep those instructions so you can paste them back, people will be able to understand and help.
[02:09] <runlevelten> I really must go to bed, as I have to be up for 6 am
[02:09] <runlevelten> She went.
[02:09] <runlevelten> For goodness' sake.
[02:10] <Huey> does using the low-latency kernel affect qemu performance?
[02:10] <runlevelten> jenny_:
[02:10] <runlevelten> You need to untar the download, then you need to do: sudo cp -dpR marlin_build_juno-6.2 /opt/juclient
[02:10] <jenny_> POS computer
[02:10] <runlevelten> then you need to do /opt/juclient/runclient.sh
[02:10] <runlevelten> if you keep those instructions so you can paste them back, people will be able to understand and help.
[02:10] <runlevelten> OK?
[02:10] <jenny_> i dont know what that means
[02:10] <jenny_> what is untar
[02:11] <runlevelten> jenny_: I'll tell you in a sec. Just make sure you copy that stuff to a file.
[02:11] <jenny_> how
[02:11] <runlevelten>  Now, if you right click on the download and select "extract  extract here" it will create a folder.
[02:11] <zabadapp> runlevelten:  paste it lika a one-liner! sudo wget x && untar y && cp yada && z.sh  .. or something like that
[02:11] <Azzco> Will hibernate work on a desktop, or is it just for laptops?
[02:12] <jenny_> i need the thing that wouldnt load again
[02:12] <runlevelten> http://www.edsgenericforum.com/hotlinks/juno_6.2.0b5-5.0.0.50.linspire0.3.tar.gz] 
[02:12] <jenny_> i'm about to cry
[02:12] <runlevelten> http://www.edsgenericforum.com/hotlinks/juno_6.2.0b5-5.0.0.50.linspire0.3.tar.gz
[02:12] <jenny_> page not found
[02:13] <jenny_> it made "Ark" come up
[02:13] <demonspork> on the live disk, is there any way to install the Kubuntu system without it installing GRUB on the HDD?
[02:13] <jenny_> i dont know what i am looking at
[02:13] <runlevelten> Right, well as long as you've kept the instructions and do them (with help where necessary) you should be good to go, at least until the signing up phase.
[02:14] <drif> demonspork: I believe it asks user for permission before doing that
[02:14] <runlevelten> zabadapp: Indeed - however, it's just this second, on my way to bed 4 hours later than I'd hoped, heh
[02:15] <runlevelten> jenny. Right click.
[02:15] <runlevelten> Not click.
[02:15] <drif> Azzco: I see no reason why hibernate wouldn't work with desktops also
[02:15] <demonspork> at which step?
[02:15] <demonspork> drif
[02:15] <jenny_> on what
[02:15] <drif> demonspork: in the end - last thing after installation
[02:15] <runlevelten> on the file you downloaded.
[02:15] <Azzco> drif: it wouldn't work for me on my last motherboard and thoguht it was only for lappys
[02:15] <jenny_> i downloaded something when "ark" came up?
[02:16] <jenny_> i havent been able to find the linspire deb again
[02:16] <runlevelten> drag the link and drop it on your desktop, or open it in firefox and choose save as... etc
[02:16] <jenny_> linspire juno deb i mean
[02:16] <posingaspopular> help! my k-menu/panel disappered
[02:16] <runlevelten> jenny_: that is the same thing as what you are downloading from that url, packaged differently.
[02:17] <Azzco> posingaspopular: Alt+F2 kicker
[02:17] <elite101> lol i did the same thing ;) ^
[02:17] <jenny_> runlevelten: ya lost me with drag the link and drop it on your desktop
[02:17] <posingaspopular> Azzco: that didnt work
[02:17] <jenny_> i see ark with a file name outline
[02:18] <demonspork> drif, is there a way to install GRUB like the system installer installs it, but from an already installed Ubuntu/Kubuntu system?
[02:18] <runlevelten> Jenny: just paste the following in a console:
[02:18] <drif> demonspork: yes
[02:19] <demonspork> drif, so it will install, detecting all the other OSes just like it does initially?
[02:19] <Azzco> posingaspopular: do it in terminal and check for errors
[02:19] <drif> demonspork: ah, not sure about that actually- you might need some manual editing of menu.lst
[02:20] <elite101> hey i was wondering if its possible to partition a HDD to pretend its an ISO? so i can boot of it and install the os to another HDD???
[02:20] <jenny_> i have konsole open
[02:20] <posingaspopular> ERROR: kicker is already running!
[02:20] <Azzco> posingaspopular: killall kicker then ;)
[02:20] <posingaspopular> ah now it's back
[02:20] <Azzco> Good ;)
[02:20] <posingaspopular> 0.o
[02:20] <runlevelten> wget http://www.edsgenericforum.com/hotlinks/juno_6.2.0b5-5.0.0.50.linspire0.3.tar.gz && tar -xvzf juno_6.2.0b5-5.0.0.50.linspire0.3.tar.gz && sudo cp -dpR marlin_build_juno-6.2 /opt/juclient && /opt/juclient/runclient.sh
[02:20] <posingaspopular> and it just disappeared
[02:21] <Azzco> Do you have any weird settings like disappear after x seconds?
[02:21] <elite101> will winrar run in wine?
[02:21] <drif> elite101: yes
[02:21] <Azzco> elite101: why would you want that?
[02:21] <posingaspopular> Azzco: yea i had it disappear after 2 sec. i disabled it now and im going to leave it that way
[02:21] <elite101> cuz arc doesnt like .rar
[02:21] <Azzco> My Ark kinda does
[02:21] <demonspork> elite101, I think all you would have to do is literally copy all the files off the ISO live disk and onto the HDD, then you will need to use a bootloader on a disk or something and boot the system
[02:21] <elite101> it tells me
[02:22] <elite101> ic
[02:22] <elite101> but u see its not a "live cd" *prepare to plug ur ears* its windows xp
[02:22] <demonspork> won't work then
[02:22] <drif> elite101: winrar is mentioned under 'platinum' list - so it should work very well under wine
[02:22] <demonspork> elite101, try #windows and ask that question
[02:22] <drif> elite101: apt-get install unrar
[02:22] <runlevelten> then you can start testing.
[02:23] <drif> elite101: after that ark handles .rar
[02:23] <drif> elite101: sudo apt-get install unrar
[02:23] <elite101> wow
[02:23] <jenny_> testing?
[02:24] <runlevelten> For the shortcuts, you can create ordinary kde ones or you can drag the one out of /opt/juclient
[02:24] <demonspork> jenny_, he is trying to boot the windows Installer from a hdd
[02:24] <demonspork> lol
[02:24] <jenny_> it asked for a password so I entered the systems password
[02:24] <jenny_> then it said DM set to off
[02:24] <jenny_> and i am back at jenny@oco
[02:24] <runlevelten> that's the one - you needed that to copy to /opt
[02:24] <jenny_> what is a hdd?
[02:24] <elite101> Hard diskdrive
[02:24] <runlevelten> yeah, juno seems to have dippy focus.
[02:24] <runlevelten> Look behind your windows.
[02:25] <elite101> its a square kinda solid metal "thingy" u put files and windows/linux/mac on
[02:25] <elite101> ;)
[02:25] <jenny_> oh hard drive
[02:25] <drif> elite101: a safe then?
[02:25] <jenny_> runlevelten: i looked behind my windows but i dont see anything
[02:25] <runlevelten> jenny_: testing because 1) I couldn't test drive it through having no account and 2) I'm going to bed any minute now, heh :)
[02:26] <runlevelten> jenny_: it depends on java, btw.
[02:26] <runlevelten> !java
[02:26] <ubotu> To install a Java compiler/interpreter on Ubuntu, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java - For the Sun Java runtime install sun-java5-jre from the !Multiverse repository. Enable the backports repository on Edgy to install sun-java6-jre. Please don't use Adept to install Java if you are on Kubuntu 6.10 (Edgy) or earlier.
[02:26] <jenny_> thats why i was offering you her log in info
[02:26] <runlevelten> you were? Was that in pm because I wouldn't have seen that
[02:27] <jenny_> I dont know if its ok to tell her here or not
[02:27] <zabadapp> eww ... don't give out such stuff
[02:27] <runlevelten> No, main is far too indiscrete
[02:27] <drif> jenny_: couldn't you register your nick?
[02:27] <jenny_> thats what i thought
[02:27] <jenny_> we left that behind
[02:28] <jenny_> there were problems that i copied and pasted
[02:28] <drif> jenny_: if it was taken /nick newone - even for temporary reason
[02:28] <jenny_> i have to be as fast as possible so i can get this done before he has togo to bed
[02:28] <elite101> err wine isnt working? what kind of wine doesnt open up .exe :S
[02:28] <elite101> i click on an exe it says open program with?
[02:28] <drif> elite101: wine yourexe.exe
[02:28] <elite101> :P
[02:28] <drif> jenny: now you took me bit too literally ;)
[02:28] <elite101> what do i open it with there is like 5diff wines
[02:29] <drif> sorry, newone that is..
[02:29] <newone> confused again
[02:29] <newone> no blonde jokes please
[02:29] <drif> newone: that was command to change your nick
[02:29] <newone> so i need to do what now?
[02:29] <runlevelten> elite101: you type wine yourexe.exe
[02:29] <Azzco> Help some apps doesn't work anymore! http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/34954/
[02:29] <drif> newone: and newone was supposed to be something you choose
[02:29] <newone> i have to register to PM to swap info to... ?
[02:29] <drif> newone: yes
[02:30] <drif> newone: is kinda safety measure..
[02:30] <runlevelten> yeah, otherwise people abuse it, you see
[02:30] <drif> it's
[02:30] <elite101> !wine
[02:30] <ubotu> wine is a compatibility layer for running Windows programs on GNU/Linux. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Wine for more information.
[02:30] <runlevelten> it's sad, but blame nasty people :(
[02:30] <elite101> !flash
[02:30] <ubotu> To install Flash see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/Flash - Flash 9 is now available in dapper-backports and edgy-backports - See also !Restricted and !Gnash
[02:30] <newone> so i type into here:   /nick newone
[02:30] <newone> ?
[02:31] <newone> or /nick and then a new name>
[02:31] <drif> newone: you can replace that 'newone' with anything you want..
[02:31] <elite101> wine still doesn work im typing in or renaming the exe....... yourexe.exe it still doesn work
[02:31] <drif> newone: /nick you_new_nickname
[02:31] <drif> +r
[02:31] <runlevelten> right jenny - I have to go to bed. You will find that you need java to run juno - so if you get some help with that first, you should be good to go soon.
[02:31] <elite101> do i type in the name of the exe: yourexe?
[02:31] <Patricks_Girl> ok now
[02:31] <drif> elite101: you don't need to rename your exe...but I'm no clairvoyant..
[02:31] <Patricks_Girl> i have to download java?
[02:32] <elite101> ohh
[02:32] <drif> elite101: the printer, the girl or your advices? :D
[02:32] <elite101> what do i need to do
[02:32] <runlevelten> I will be around tomorrow evening (Europe time) and will help you if I see you
[02:32] <elite101> lol forget about the girl
[02:32] <Patricks_Girl> it tells me im not registered yet
[02:32] <Patricks_Girl> again
[02:33] <drif> runlevelten: I can try continuing from here though..it's 3:33am but I'm in no real hurry
[02:33] <goodhabit> Who can paste in private for me a part of xorg.conf, what describes mouse? Please.
[02:33] <elite101> i need help with wine xD
[02:33] <runlevelten> okeydokey drif. You know what's being done right?
[02:33] <drif> runlevelten: I've been around and not around..you can quickly run me through
[02:33] <Patricks_Girl> i only wish i could express my gratitude appropriately for not only suffering my ignorance but your amazing patience
[02:34] <runlevelten> that tarball may run fine, but bits may need pulling out and putting in the right places.
[02:34] <elite101> how do i get ARC to work with ,rar? or how can i get wine to work with winrar? if u wanna help me pick the easier topic <------please
[02:34] <Patricks_Girl> im not sure what a tarbar is
[02:34] <elite101> tarball
[02:34] <drif> elite101: did you run 'sudo apt-get install unrar' ?
[02:34] <intelikey> !rar | elite101
[02:34] <ubotu> elite101: rar is a non-free archive format created by Rarsoft. For instructions on accessing .rar files through the Archive Manager view https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FileCompression. There is a free (as in speech) unrar utility as well, see !info unrar-free
[02:34] <elite101> no
[02:34] <elite101> k i will
[02:34] <Patricks_Girl> brb rr
[02:34] <runlevelten> jenny has downloaded it, untarred it and copied the whole contents to juno's usual app directory
[02:35] <drif> elite101: if you need advice - please take it as they come ;)
[02:35] <elite101> sorry its just i needed the winrar to work up ther ^
[02:35] <runlevelten> no symlinks in bin, the icons aren't copied out yet, she needs to sign in and check what works, java will need to be installed
[02:35] <demonspork> ARRRG, GRUB INSTALLED WITHOUT ASKING ME!!!
[02:35] <elite101> :P
[02:35] <intelikey> !grub | demonspork
[02:35] <ubotu> demonspork: grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[02:35] <runlevelten> Patricks_Girl: No problem at all - if I had more time I'd stick around.
[02:36] <intelikey> demonspork that's normal
[02:36] <runlevelten> Night all.
[02:36] <elite101> sudo apt-get install java-jre6-bin
[02:36] <drif> runlevelten: nights
[02:36] <demonspork> someone told me I would have an option somewhere
[02:36] <drif> elite101: direct your advices.. to make this seem less confusing, ok?
[02:36] <runlevelten> Oh drif, the program is run with /opt/juclient/runclient.sh
[02:36] <Strogol> #join kubuntu-br
[02:36] <elite101> lol
[02:36] <intelikey> demonspork remember whom ?
[02:36] <runlevelten> and she's done:
[02:36] <runlevelten> wget http://www.edsgenericforum.com/hotlinks/juno_6.2.0b5-5.0.0.50.linspire0.3.tar.gz && tar -xvzf juno_6.2.0b5-5.0.0.50.linspire0.3.tar.gz && sudo cp -dpR marlin_build_juno-6.2 /opt/juclient && /opt/juclient/runclient.sh
[02:37] <runlevelten> night \o/
[02:37] <Strogol> join #kubuntu-br
[02:37] <elite101> thanks drif, it worked :)
[02:37] <demonspork> I dislike that the default scrollback in xchat is 300
[02:37] <drif> demonspork: change it? :D
[02:37] <demonspork> I changed it
[02:37] <intelikey> yeah.   it's too short.
[02:38] <drif> Patricks_Girl: around?
[02:38] <demonspork> but I already lost who gave me the incorrect information
[02:38] <demonspork> how do I change the Image displayed in the GRUB menu?
[02:38] <Strogol> speak Portuguese??
[02:38] <drif> demonspork: it was me - but for my defence I can honestly say it hasn't ever installed grub against my will
[02:38] <BluesKaj> !pt | Strogol
[02:38] <ubotu> Strogol: Por favor use #ubuntu-br ou #ubuntu-pt  para ajuda em portugus. Obrigado.
[02:39] <Patricks_Girl> ok back
[02:39] <intelikey> demonspork well i hate it for you.  but it does happen.    and see the infonode on !usplash
[02:39] <elite101> that kinda sucks? not portaguese kubunut?
[02:39] <elite101> kubuntu*
[02:39] <drif> Patricks_Girl: re, runlevel went to get some zzz
[02:39] <elite101> lol
[02:39] <demonspork> !uspash
[02:39] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about uspash - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[02:39] <mguezuraga>  Is there a way to improve font display on lcd screens? (like cleartype on windows)
[02:39] <demonspork> !usplash
[02:39] <elite101> i ran outta disk space for the .rar file :(
[02:39] <ubotu> To select the usplash artwork you want, use "sudo update-alternatives --config usplash-artwork.so && sudo update-initramfs -u" - See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/USplashCustomizationHowto for adding your custom artwork
[02:39] <Patricks_Girl> i wish i could bake y'all cookies for this
[02:40] <Azzco> Help I get strange errors!
[02:40] <Azzco> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/34954/
[02:40] <intelikey> Patricks_Girl you can  :)
[02:40] <elite101> :P yum
[02:40] <drif> Patricks_Girl: you could try /msg NickServ register password (and this time, replace 'password' with your decision;)
[02:40] <intelikey> !botsnack
[02:40] <ubotu> Yum! Err, I mean, APT!
[02:40] <Patricks_Girl> ok, i typed into the konsole what he told me to type into it
[02:40] <elite101> :P
[02:40] <intelikey> !opsnack
[02:40] <ubotu> Chocolate!  And Peanuts!
[02:40] <Patricks_Girl> my decision?
[02:41] <elite101> :) im alergic
[02:41] <elite101> JK
[02:41] <zabadapp> mguezuraga: yes, sort of "cleartype" is available ... just enable it in font prefs window
[02:41] <drif> Patricks_Girl: you expect me to start suggesting passwords now? :D
[02:41] <Patricks_Girl> oh the password i decide on
[02:41] <elite101> whats the command to remove program? sudo apt-get remove...
[02:41] <Patricks_Girl> derrr sorry lol
[02:41] <drif> elite101: yup
[02:42] <elite101> really?
[02:42] <intelikey> sho' is
[02:42] <drif> elite101: apt-get --help
[02:42] <drif> elite101: man apt-get
[02:42] <mguezuraga> zabadapp: thanks
[02:42] <elite101> lol
[02:42] <elite101> true
[02:42] <Patricks_Girl> it said no such nick/channel
[02:42] <hitmanWilly> ok, got pulled out for a few minutes, back now, sorry if i left anyone hanging
[02:43] <Patricks_Girl> i must have typed something wrong
[02:43] <drif> Patricks_Girl: a sec
[02:43] <mguezuraga> zabadapp: antialiasing?
[02:43] <zabadapp> mguezuraga: yes, antialiasing and "use sub-pixel hinting"
[02:44] <drif> Patricks_Girl: try it again, this time check the typing
[02:44] <drif> Patricks_Girl: /msg nickserv register yourpasswordhere
[02:44] <Patricks_Girl> ok it worked
[02:44] <Patricks_Girl> cool beans bro
[02:44] <Patricks_Girl> thanks
[02:44] <Patricks_Girl> now what
[02:44] <mguezuraga> zabadapp: ok, thanks again
[02:45] <hayami> xd
[02:46] <hayami> anyone knows about znes?
[02:46] <hayami> zsnes? xD
[02:46] <intelikey> !info zsnes
[02:46] <ardchoille> !info znes
[02:46] <ubotu> zsnes: Emulator of the Super Nintendo Entertainment System (TM). In component multiverse, is optional. Version 1.420-2.1ubuntu1 (feisty), package size 513 kB, installed size 3232 kB (Only available for i386)
[02:46] <ubotu> Package znes does not exist in feisty, feisty-seveas
[02:46] <Patricks_Girl> thank you to everyone who has been helping me!
[02:47] <BluesKaj> hayami, xine ...maybe ?
[02:49] <hayami> oo that explains why the zsnes is not stable on feisty
[02:49] <hayami> it falls a lot and break the system O.o
[02:50] <intelikey> hayami no.
[02:50] <msuiter> Is there an options menu that sets up Kubuntu to look similar to a Mac?
[02:51] <hayami> no?
[02:51] <hayami> then man why my laptop crashes when i start it?
[02:51] <houmala> I dont know what its called but when i setup desktop I selected a choice that makes me have the cursor on the window to be able to work in it. How do I change it so the cursor does not have to be in the windows??
[02:51] <intelikey> hayami no. that's not what you thought.   the package "znes" does not exist.   both were searched for.
[02:51] <hayami> sometimes, and my lap is not powerfull but i don't complain
[02:52] <hayami> check friend
[02:52] <msuiter> houmala, what window manager are you using?
[02:52] <zabadapp> houmala: you got "focus follow mouse" ?
[02:52] <hayami> http://www.zsnes.com/
[02:52] <houmala> kde
[02:52] <hayami> it's an emulator
[02:52] <intelikey> hayami why it crashes, i don't know.  but the bot answer is not why.
[02:52] <hayami> it's made for linux too friend
[02:53] <intelikey> you are not reading what i'm writing.
[02:53] <houmala> how do I get rid of "focus follow mouse" ??
 !info zsnes
 !info znes
[02:53] <zabadapp> houmala: system settings --> window behavior --> (drop down) click to focus
[02:53] <hayami> i used to have it
[02:53] <hayami> on mylap
[02:54] <hayami> and it runs the game
[02:54] <houmala> thanks
[02:54] <hayami> but in certain time it crashes
[02:54] <zabadapp> houmala: ...but focus follow mouse is superior, try it for a while and you might like it :-)
[02:54] <ardchoille> intelikey: lol
[02:55] <msuiter> on Ubuntu I ran "sudo apt-get kubuntu-desktop" and the first time I loaded the KDE desktop it presented me with three choices for the way that my desktop would look, KDE Default, Mac style, and some other option.  I did not get that menu this time, is there anywhere to select those options?
[02:56] <intelikey> "sudo apt-get kubuntu-desktop" <<<< will fail.
[02:56] <msuiter> ?
[02:56] <msuiter> fail at what?
[02:56] <intelikey> syntax error.
[02:56] <msuiter> sorry
[02:56] <msuiter> I forgot to type the "install" into that line
[02:56] <BluesKaj> the word is .. install
[02:56] <intelikey> yep
[02:56] <msuiter> anyway, is that menu available?
[02:57] <ardchoille> msuiter: kcontrol > Desktop > Behavior ?
[02:57] <intelikey> msuiter ok back to the question.   kde-first-time  or some such   firsttimewizard    i don't know the name...
[02:58] <intelikey> but you can run it,  if you can find it...
[02:58] <msuiter> thank you for telling me it exists, and wasn't just my imagination or me getting different distros mixed up
[03:00] <intelikey> find /usr/ -iname *first* 2>/dev/null
[03:01] <msuiter> I tried "locate *first* and it gave me nothing but .xml, .m3u, .png, .m3u and .svgz files
[03:01] <ardchoille> msuiter: find is much more versatile
[03:02] <msuiter> locate served my purposes fine here
[03:02] <intelikey> msuiter and it may be an xml file   idk.
[03:03] <intelikey> not having kde installed here i can't look for it for you.   but as you were informed, kcontrol can achieve the same end.
[03:03] <zabadapp> msuiter: don't know if it works on kubuntu but ... http://baghira.sourceforge.net/OS_Clone-en.php
[03:03] <intelikey> i do kinda like the first time wizard my self.
[03:05] <ardchoille> Baghira does indeed work on kubuntu and it's in the repos
[03:05] <hitmanWilly> hey anyone wanna do me a favor and /join #linux-noobhelp, just set up the chan and want to make sure all my admin options are set right
[03:05] <msuiter> intelikey, do you think you could find it on your machine?
[03:06] <intelikey> msuiter not without installing kde
[03:06] <msuiter> ah
[03:06] <msuiter> what system are you on?
[03:06] <intelikey> intelikey
[03:06] <msuiter> ...
[03:08] <vbgunz> anyone aware of how Konquerors web profile breaks the "view mode (tree)" if you view in anything other than "icon mode"?
[03:08] <vbgunz> is this addresses, fixed, on the todo?
[03:09] <Xera^> Is the 8800 GTX PCI-E working well in Kubuntu yet? :)
[03:10] <intelikey> Xera^ i have no idea,  google.com/linux might be a better place to ask that Q
[03:10] <Xera^> ok
[03:10] <ardchoille> Xera^:  You might also look at: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupport
[03:11] <intelikey> assuming it's up do date,  yes.
[03:11] <ardchoille> True
[03:11] <dec_> can someone help me understand how to set key bindings for compizconfig settings manager
[03:12] <vbgunz> anyone aware of how Konquerors web profile breaks the "view mode (tree)" if you view in anything other than "icon mode"?
[03:14] <vbgunz> HOLY CRAP
[03:14] <vbgunz> heh
[03:15] <vbgunz> I never thought I get it fixed, found a webpage that got it fixed in a jump
[03:15] <vbgunz> anyone know how I can ALWAYS get the google toolbar to show up, no matter the profile? web browsing, file management?
[03:16] <dec_> just installed compiz-fusion and cannot get it to rotate in the cube anyone know how or what I am doing wrong
[03:17] <ardchoille> dec_: You might ask in #ubuntu-effects
[03:17] <dec_> always wondered how do I get to #ubuntu-effects
[03:18] <ardchoille> dec_: type "/join #ubuntu-effects" in your irc client
[03:18] <BluesKaj> !google | vbgunz
[03:18] <ubotu> vbgunz: Google is a very popular search engine: http://www.google.com  -  Google also has a Linux-specific search engine: http://google.com/linux
[03:18] <dec_> I can type that in konversation
[03:18] <vbgunz> BluesKaj: I am over google, what you find, I didnt find?
[03:19] <BluesKaj> the linux search helps alot
[03:19] <ardchoille> dec_: konversation? Just click on the link --> #ubuntu-effects
[03:20] <vbgunz> BluesKaj: the google toolbar is for the web. it comes with Konqueror BUT only shows up when using the webbrowsing profile. it doesn't show up when using the file browser. I am searching but cannot find the answer :/
[03:20] <BluesKaj> sorry i can't answer your question , but google-linux might help you find the answer
[03:20] <vbgunz> heh
[03:21] <nosrednaekim> vbgunz: eh... that is so anoying.. my dad spent like 30 minutes trying to get that working.
[03:21] <vbgunz> nosrednaekim: your dad get it working?
[03:22] <vbgunz> put your dad on the line :)
[03:22] <nosrednaekim> nope.. thats the sad part
[03:22] <nosrednaekim> the happy part is I did recently see the option.
[03:22] <nosrednaekim> but I can't remeber what/where it was
[03:23] <vbgunz> heh, I would really like it to show up no matter what. this way, I need to search something it can be right there
[03:24] <nosrednaekim> vbgunz: i'm pretty sure it was in the main settings menu for konqueror.
[03:25] <vbgunz> i'll check once more
[03:26] <nosrednaekim> ok..good luck.
[03:28] <BluesKaj> yes , that's acomplaint I have about konq ...the options are spread around in so many different areas and the subtitles don't seem to make any sense to me
[03:32] <BluesKaj> vbgunz,  perhaps this can help .. ' mv ~/.kde/share/config/konquerorrc ~/.kde/share/config/konquerorrc.old ' ...the command reverts konq back to it's original setting ...I used it and I have the google search bar in "File management" mode.
[03:33] <vbgunz> BluesKaj: wow
[03:33] <BluesKaj> I can't take credit ...one of the heavy hitters here gave me the command :)
[03:33] <vbgunz> I would hate to do that. I tool up what nosred... said and found something I am willing to work with... basically, I'll just need to type "gg:search phrase" in the location bar, and google handles it
[03:34] <BluesKaj> well, that's pretty cool too , vbgunz :)
[03:35] <vbgunz> now I am looking to remove the toolbar as it has another shortcoming compared to the location bar... I basically cannot hold down ALT when submitting a query through the google toolbar AND have the window open in a new tab, whereas in the location I can ;)
[03:35] <vbgunz> I am looking to disable it
[03:37] <vbgunz> heh, I just completely removed the search from itself
[03:37] <vbgunz> that seemed to work just fine
[03:38] <BluesKaj> vbgunz, does flash run ok on your konq ?
[03:38] <vbgunz> yeah, no problem
[03:39] <BluesKaj> hmmm, strange that flashplugi-nonfree doesn't work on mine
[03:39] <vbgunz> one of my biggest issues in switching was, in web mode, then switching to file mode in konqueror, mangled my icons to show up in icon mode instead of tree mode. I found a fix for it though, hidden away
[03:39] <MarcC> how do I troubleshoot a DVD not being mounted when I put it in the drive?
[03:39] <Biovore> flash works fine in konqueror here..
[03:40] <CPrompt^> MarcC : what happens when you put a CD in the drive?
[03:40] <BluesKaj> could you guys , check the plugins in konq to see which one it's using ?
[03:40] <vbgunz> I just wish I could get live bookmarks the way firefox handles them
[03:40] <MarcC> CPrompt^: whirring sound from the drive, then nothing...double-clicking the cdrom and cdrom0 folders in /media doesn't show anything either.
[03:41] <CPrompt^> MarcC : I have one of those.  It happens in Windows too though,  I think the drive is going dead.
[03:41] <vbgunz> libflashplayer.so found in my firefox folder
[03:41] <MarcC> CPrompt^: uh...it's brand new...the whirring noise is the normal disk spinup
[03:42] <CPrompt^> MarcC : ah.  so CD's and DVD's both just sit there.  hmmm...
[03:42] <ardchoille> MarcC: kcontrol > Peripherals > Storage Media  ?
[03:43] <CPrompt^> what about fstab?  does it show anything?
[03:44] <MarcC> CPrompt^: I looked in KControl and it's mounting at /dev/scd0 ... I navigated there, right-clicked and opened with VLC and the disk plays fine... :-/ how do I get it to show me the "what to do now" dialog when it finds the disc? It used to do that.
[03:45] <intelikey> MarcC nope.  not mounting at /dev/    that's the device node not the mountpoint
[03:45] <CPrompt^> ah!  I think that you are going to have to mount the drive somewhere.  something like /dev/scd0 /media/dvd
[03:46] <MarcC> seems like it used to automount and put an icon on the desktop...how do I re-enable? :)
[03:46] <CPrompt^> MarcC : you should be able to open fstab and find the part about the dvd and change it
[03:46] <MarcC> device node...good to know, seems to work in a pinch :D
[03:46] <mrksbrd> how do i get my USB Drive from Root ownership to User Ownership??????????
[03:46] <CPrompt^> MarcC : something like :
[03:46] <CPrompt^> /dev/scd0     /media/dvdrecorder   subfs      auto,fs=cdfss,ro,procuid,nosuid,nodev,exec,iocharset=utf8 0 0
[03:47] <MarcC> CPrompt^:
[03:47] <MarcC> /dev/scd0 /media/cdrom0 auto user,atime,noauto,rw,dev,exec,suid 0 0
[03:47] <MarcC> UUID=06cd7835-43d0-4f33-9d47-5d0d38bbf62a /boot ext3 nouser,defaults,atime,auto,rw,dev,exec,suid 0 0
[03:48] <CPrompt^> hmmm......looks like the dvd is being mounted at /media/cdrom0.  but when you go to that, there is nothing there?
[03:48] <intelikey> mountpoint == /media/dvdrecorder      next line mountpoint == /media/cdrom0    last line ignored, it's system startup dir
[03:49] <MarcC> CPrompt^: affirmative, although this is an encrypted DVD...but it's playing OK
[03:49] <MarcC> intelikey: was that for me? I don't want to miss something important
[03:49] <CPrompt^> MarcC : you may need libdvdcss2.  I think that's what it's called
[03:49] <MarcC> CPrompt^: yeah, that's how I'm playing the DVD now, I think
[03:49] <intelikey> MarcC just information that you can use in your efforts.
[03:50] <CPrompt^> oh right...
[03:50] <MarcC> intelikey: thanks :) don't really understand the info though
[03:51] <MarcC> I love Kaffeine's Volnorm effect...wish I had that in VLC
[03:51] <CPrompt^> MarcC  : wonder if you can try to mount it somewhere different?  /media/dvd ?
[03:51] <intelikey> MarcC the fstab syntax   first field == device    second field == mountpoint    third field == fs type    fourth field == mount options
[03:52] <MarcC> intelikey: so "scd0" tells you "dvd recorder?"
[03:52] <intelikey> tells us the device  yes.
[03:52] <MarcC> dang, need to learn that code :)
[03:53] <intelikey> and   /media/cdrom0   tells us where to look for the mounted fs that is on the device
[03:53] <MarcC> I like that it let me use the node as a file though...that's pretty sick
[03:53] <intelikey> sick ?
[03:53] <MarcC> ok, I'm going to try another disc later, see if the DVD encryption has something to do with the no-files-showing problem.
[03:53] <CPrompt^> intelikey : groovy...cool...good stuff ;)
[03:53] <kdepepo> hi, I messed up my system by trying to install unstable (please forgive). Is it save to re-install 7.04 from cd without losing /home data?
[03:54] <CPrompt^> kdepepo : nope :)
[03:54] <intelikey> kdepepo sure.
[03:54] <CPrompt^> really?
[03:54] <MarcC> I'm sure you could backup your /home and just copy it over the new one after a fresh install?
[03:54] <MarcC> I've heard people saying they did that
[03:54] <intelikey> kdepepo yeah  as long as home is seperate form /   it's fine.
[03:55] <kdepepo> its not separate :(
[03:55] <CPrompt^> oh...well...we didn't say anything about backing up LOL
[03:55] <intelikey> kdepepo then backup  first.
[03:56] <intelikey> kdepepo i could reinstall on that system   i'm not sure you can...    (without data loss i mean)
[03:56] <MarcC> how do I add an "open in root konqueror" item to my service menus?
[03:57] <kdepepo> uh oh... okey... I am new to kubu, on suse I know there is an option to re-use existing home
[03:58] <intelikey> kdepepo no such options here   and the process would involve using the console in the middle of the install process to prepair the root fs without formating it...   if you think you are up to that we'll give it a shot  but i would advise making backups first if you possably can.
[03:59] <kdepepo> if you are patient enough to explain I will try anything
[04:00] <kdepepo> typing this from a sep. pc
[04:00] <kdepepo> the other is just booting
[04:00] <intelikey> lets first try a compatability test on that assumption,  then i'll know how patient i am.      switch to a console and tell me what is mounted on /var/lock     :)
[04:01] <kdepepo> sorry, its still booting from cd
[04:01] <kdepepo> shall I abort?
[04:01] <intelikey> no don't abort
[04:02] <kdepepo> okey boot finished, x11 on vt7, console on vt1
[04:04] <intelikey> kdepepo ok can you mount your installed system ?
[04:04] <kdepepo> wait
[04:05] <kdepepo> to which directory? /mnt/ ?
[04:05] <intelikey> cd /mnt
[04:05] <intelikey> oh which not shitch  sorry
[04:05] <intelikey> yeah mnt is fine
[04:05] <intelikey> :)
[04:06] <kdepepo> surgery on a live patient, okey sdb3 mounted rw on /mnt
[04:07] <intelikey> cd /mnt
[04:08] <intelikey> rm -r `ls | grep -v home`    <<<  that command is going to delete everything not in your home/ dir.
[04:08] <kdepepo> hm
[04:09] <intelikey> if that's a problem.  bail out now
[04:09] <kdepepo> will have to check other dir's first
[04:09] <intelikey> k
[04:10] <intelikey> anything that need preserver can be copied or moved to home/saved/     like configs in /etc or what not
[04:11] <intelikey> in my case  scripts and data in usr/local/bin
[04:11] <kdepepo> well I hope i can remove etc, because config was messed up after upgrade
[04:12] <kdepepo> internet didnt work...
[04:13] <kdepepo> something is wired... recursive dir doesnt work
[04:13] <intelikey> ls
[04:13] <intelikey> that's lower case LS
[04:13] <intelikey> ls -r
[04:13] <intelikey> ls -R
[04:13] <intelikey> oops
[04:13] <kdepepo> tried both
[04:14] <kdepepo> it just doesnt recurse
[04:14] <intelikey> maybe it's a busybox ls being on the live CD
[04:15] <intelikey> with busybox apps you never know what switches will/wont work.
[04:15] <intelikey> and then there are net splits...
[04:15] <ardchoille> kdepepo , intelikey  try the "tree" app :)
[04:15] <intelikey> on the live CD ?
[04:15] <kdepepo> not installed :)
[04:16] <ardchoille> Oh, I doubt it's on the livecd
[04:16] <intelikey> ^
[04:16] <kdepepo> Im stupid.... i can just go to x11 and use konqui:)
[04:16] <joseph1110216> hey u guys. if i install windows xp on an external hard drive and plug the external hard drive into a  computer running linux, will the computer give me a dual boot option?
[04:16] <intelikey> kdepepo find should be there     find ./ -type f
[04:17] <ardchoille> joseph1110216: Not until you set up /boot/grub/menu.lst to do that
[04:17] <joseph1110216> wat do u mean?
[04:17] <intelikey> joseph1110216 no.  just plugging a drive in doesn't affect grub
[04:17] <kdepepo> I think its best to rename "home" ?
[04:18] <ardchoille> !grub
[04:18] <ubotu> grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[04:18] <intelikey> kdepepo if you want.  i know of no reason for it  but safety first.
[04:19] <intelikey> kdepepo you'll still want to nuke everything except "what ever name you give" home
[04:19] <kdepepo> yeah im just checking tmp etc first....
[04:21] <intelikey> kdepepo if you had http setup (any web server)  you will probably want to save the html files from /var/www   also
[04:21] <kdepepo> actually, it doesnt recurse becuse i need to sudo ls :)
[04:21] <joseph1110216> if grub can recognize by default that my comp has 2 Os  in it and gives me a dual boot option, then can it also recognize a third Os, one which is on an external hard drive?
[04:21] <kdepepo> intelikey, okey
[04:21] <Biovore> joseph1110216: probably want to just boot of the external HD
[04:21] <intelikey> joseph1110216 yes
[04:21] <joseph1110216> oh ok how do i get it to boot off external, and u who said yes, are u sure?
[04:22] <ardchoille> joseph1110216: The boot options are dictated by your menu.lst file.. if the third OS isn't in the menu, then it won't be a boot option.
[04:22] <ardchoille> !grub | joseph1110216
[04:22] <ubotu> joseph1110216: grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[04:22] <joseph1110216> hey intelikey
[04:22] <intelikey> joseph1110216 yes grub looks for bootable partitions and trys to set them up automaticlly    as many as it finds.
[04:22] <joseph1110216> u sure?
[04:23] <ardchoille> joseph1110216: You can't just plug in a 3rd OS and expect to be able to boot from it without altering grub
[04:23] <joseph1110216> so it will even find the one on my external hd
[04:23] <intelikey> it doesn't always succeed but it does try
[04:23] <joseph1110216> true but wont grub check for it anyway?
[04:23] <kdepepo> intelikey, what about grub config? something to save here?
[04:23] <joseph1110216> its job is to look for hd's
[04:24] <intelikey> kdepepo grub will be reinstalled   but you can copy /mnt/boot/grub/menu.lst  if you like.
[04:24] <kdepepo> intelikey, okey
[04:24] <intelikey> joseph1110216 grub "only" looks for fs's at install  or reinstall   iirc
[04:25] <joseph1110216> ok
[04:25] <intelikey> so if you are having issues understanding that   then everything above that is moot
[04:25] <kdepepo> intelikey, well... root is empty except "home-bak"   *tears*
[04:26] <intelikey> kdepepo ok exit it.  and umount /mnt
[04:27] <intelikey> kdepepo when umounted...    start the installer  (ubiquity)   and proceed as normal until the partitioning section.
[04:27] <kdepepo> okey wait
[04:29] <kdepepo> gee suse people arent that patient, thank you so far!
[04:29] <intelikey> ubuntu people aren't either...
[04:29] <intelikey> :)
[04:31] <kdepepo> i tried repairing manually but having only suse experience I only made it worse ...
[04:32] <intelikey> ubuntu on the live CD  what can we do for you ???
[04:35] <kdepepo> intelikey, okey... i am at partition selection... selected "manual"
[04:35] <intelikey> good   choose your partition but don't change anything   only select it and move on  to the "formating section"
[04:37] <intelikey> there you will have the option to deselect the format check box on the / partition    you can let it format swap (assuming you have swap)
[04:37] <kdepepo> actually looks quite simple... it has a "format?" option, which i did -not- selet
[04:37] <sFEARs> hello
[04:37] <intelikey> look closele   and make sure it will NOT format anything except swap
[04:37] <intelikey> closely
[04:38] <intelikey> closly  ?
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[04:38] <kdepepo> wait a sec
[04:38] <intelikey> oh i wrote one,  im just too lazy to use it...
[04:39] <ardchoille> hahahaha
[04:39] <intelikey> #Closely /Closely/, adv. 1. In a close manner. 2. Secretly; privately. [Obs.] 
[04:39] <intelikey> That nought she did but wayle, and often steepe Her dainty couch with tears
[04:39] <intelikey> which closely she did weepe. Spenser.
[04:39] <intelikey> i wrote a script to do that tooo
[04:40] <intelikey> i need to disable it's output to the channel though.
[04:41] <sFEARs> anyone think they can help a newbie that thinks he knows what he's doing?
[04:41] <intelikey> sFEARs not me.
[04:42] <intelikey> i stay as far from that type as possable
[04:42] <kdepepo> intelikey, it doesnt allow me to format swap... hope its okey.
[04:42] <ardchoille> sFEARs: Quite hard to help someone who thinks they already know
[04:42] <intelikey> kdepepo ok  go for it and see
[04:42] <sFEARs> can't make it too easy on you
[04:42] <ardchoille> lol
[04:43] <sFEARs> all i know is that it's not doing what i want it to
[04:43] <sFEARs> and all i keep hearing about this linux thing is you can get it to do whatever you want it to
[04:44] <ardchoille> sFEARs: Please specify. Is this software? Hardware? Web browser? Desktop env?
[04:44] <sFEARs> 3 problems
[04:45] <sFEARs> when i boot up i get an error. Could not initialize HAL!
[04:45] <sFEARs> which i've figured out means that i can't see what's on my usb flash drive
[04:45] <ardchoille> !hald
[04:45] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about hald - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:45] <sFEARs> which could also explain why i'm having some recording issues with a usb hardware mixer
[04:45] <sFEARs> which is my main problem i want to get fixed
[04:46] <intelikey> kdepepo status ?
[04:46] <sFEARs> i've installed jack & the alsa drivers
[04:46] <sFEARs> can hear output thru the usb but can't seem to get it to record
[04:46] <sFEARs> and since the last two reboots when i start amarok it says it couldn't find audio drivers
[04:47] <kdepepo> intelikey, i was thinking to just ditch suse and install kubuntu into the suse partition
[04:47] <intelikey> kdepepo  is the installer failing ?
[04:47] <sFEARs> is hald hal?
[04:47] <kdepepo> intelikey, sorry I didnt start yet ...
[04:47] <intelikey> hald==hal daemon
[04:48] <intelikey> kdepepo well kick it off and lets see how well you've done.
[04:48] <intelikey> "you never know until you cry"
[04:48] <intelikey> errr    try
[04:48] <intelikey> :)
[04:49] <ardchoille> lol
[04:49] <kdepepo> intelikey, it says "no root file system specified"
[04:50] <intelikey> kdepepo i told you to select that at the "formating stage"    you have to tell it where but don't let it format.
[04:50] <kdepepo> ah okey
[04:50] <kdepepo> got it
[04:52] <kdepepo> the installation summary says it will format swap anyway... okey
[04:53] <intelikey> ok
[04:53] <intelikey> let it format swap  but nothing else     right ?
[04:53] <kdepepo> yep
[04:53] <droach> anyone ever heard of those kbyte zipits
[04:54] <kdepepo> sorry im slow :)
[04:54] <intelikey> it's ok.   i rode the short bus to school
[04:56] <intelikey> as if my spelling didn't already say that....
[04:56] <kdepepo> i think i was overreacting and in panic...
[04:57] <intelikey> so where are we now kdepepo
[04:57] <intelikey> ?
[04:57] <kdepepo> 57% :)
[04:58] <intelikey> ok the hand holding is over.   congrats.
[04:58] <kdepepo> thank, owe you a beer
[04:58] <sFEARs> is it possible to restart drivers?
[04:58] <sFEARs> master reset or something?
[04:59] <intelikey> sFEARs modprobe -r blah && modprobe blah
[04:59] <sFEARs> wtf?
[04:59] <intelikey> man modprobe
[05:00] <sFEARs> i'm surprised i know how to get to a console window
[05:00] <intelikey> oh man...  i just found some extreemly ugly code,    and about as malicious as a raddle snake
[05:00] <sFEARs> it was proally in my boot sector
[05:01] <sFEARs> if i wasn't so paranoid i wouldn't think that something like that could be giving me all these problems
[05:01] <sFEARs> however, i am
[05:01] <intelikey> do not test this code,  it is deadly to a system.     #echo "$(sudo perl -e '$??s:;s:s;;$?::s;;=] =>%-{<-|}<&|`{;;y; -/:-@[-`{-};`-{/"-;;s;;$_;see')"
[05:01] <sFEARs> what? type that in console?
[05:01] <intelikey> believe it or not that will   sudo rm -r /
[05:02] <Arwen> intelikey, weird
[05:02] <intelikey> Arwen yeah and no joke
[05:02] <sFEARs> i'm guessing that's delete root?
[05:02] <Arwen> I've seen it before, stupid perl :-\
[05:02] <Arwen> sFEARs, yes
[05:02] <intelikey> sFEARs yep and all that's in it
[05:02] <sFEARs> might have to try that before i throw the laptop out the window
[05:02] <kdepepo> looks like a story :)
[05:03] <sFEARs> know a good place to get some tech support?
[05:03] <sFEARs> i try to look things up on google.. it tells me to edit some file
[05:03] <intelikey> sFEARs for the questions you have asked eariler ?
[05:03] <sFEARs> but it doesn't tell me how to edit the file
[05:04] <sFEARs> why amarok can't find audio drivers for start
[05:04] <sFEARs> and how to get my usb flash drive to automatically show up on the desktop
[05:04] <intelikey> sFEARs to edit any system file     kdesu kate /path/to/file.name
[05:05] <intelikey> sFEARs for non-system (local user's home dir)  leave the  kdesu  off
[05:05] <sFEARs> what's the shortcut combo for a run box?
[05:05] <intelikey> you can use the    alt+f2
[05:07] <sFEARs> ctrl+alt+f1.. is the screen that brings up a terminal window as opposed to a console window
[05:08] <intelikey> backwards
[05:08] <sFEARs> ok
[05:08] <intelikey> ctrl+alt+f1 drops you to tty1  (console)
[05:09] <intelikey> konsole is a terminal emulator for kde    not to be confused with   console
[05:09] <sFEARs> ok
[05:10] <sFEARs> so if theres a process running in a console window.. how do you stop it
[05:10] <sFEARs> to get back to a command prompt
[05:10] <intelikey> ^c
[05:10] <intelikey> ctrl+C
[05:10] <intelikey> ^c
[05:10] <sFEARs> ok
[05:10] <sFEARs> command prompt? is that correct?
[05:11] <intelikey> more or less.   we let that slide most of the time.
[05:11] <intelikey> it's actually a shell prompt
[05:11] <sFEARs> cool
[05:11] <arun> !md5sum
[05:11] <ubotu> To verify the integrity of a download, use the md5sum - see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HowToMD5SUM for more
[05:11] <sFEARs> ctrl+c didn't work
[05:11] <sFEARs> bitchx is trying to connect to a server
[05:11] <sFEARs> it's not working
[05:11] <intelikey> sFEARs /quit
[05:11] <intelikey> in the bx app
[05:12] <sFEARs> cool.. worked
[05:12] <arun> hey intelikey.. i'm actually going to try out ubuntu.. first time i'm using gnome :) i installed gnome over kubuntu, and i liked it quite a bit.
[05:12] <intelikey> and no bx ignores ^c   you are correct about that
[05:12] <intelikey> arun cool
[05:12] <arun> btw, how do i find out what the MD5 sum is for a particular version of (k)ubuntu
[05:12] <intelikey> on the download page
[05:13] <intelikey> the md5'r's are there too
[05:13] <arun> aaah
[05:13] <arun> got it
[05:14] <intelikey> iirc there is even a howto on using the md5'r
[05:14] <kdepepo> intelikey, rebooting ... *drumroll*
[05:14] <arun> yeah i got that
[05:14] <arun> it's good
[05:14] <arun> time to back stuff up :)
[05:14] <intelikey> kdepepo ******************************* **
[05:15] <arun> intelikey: what's your favourite DE
[05:15] <sFEARs> mv ~/.kde/share/config/amarokrc ~/.Trash
[05:16] <intelikey> blackbox   i guess    i'm a minimalest but not to an extreem
[05:16] <sFEARs> i'm assuming ~/ is short for something
[05:16] <joseph1110216> anyone here knw how to increase the diskspace dedicated to my virtual os in vmware?
[05:16] <sFEARs> that's pointing to where my hidden kde folder is?
[05:16] <intelikey> sFEARs yes your home dir
[05:17] <intelikey> sFEARs ~ and $HOME   always expand to the users home dir    normally   /home/sfears      or the like
[05:17] <roverclyde> 1 + 2 = 4
[05:17] <sFEARs> ok
[05:17] <intelikey> roverclyde hmmm    did i miss something ?
[05:18] <roverclyde> you didn't get the memo?
[05:18] <intelikey> guess not.
[05:18] <roverclyde> it's the new math
[05:18] <intelikey> oh the offtopic one ?   yeah i got that one  :)
[05:20] <roverclyde> k + ubuntu = awesomeness!!!
[05:20] <intelikey> [ $((1+2)) = 4 ]  && echo `rm -r ~`
[05:20] <intelikey> :)
[05:20] <arun> anyone here used bluefish?
[05:20] <intelikey> arun i started it one time.  long time ago,  so basicly   ! i
[05:21] <kdepepo> intelikey, looks like my home-bak is still there :) thanks!
[05:21] <BluesKaj> nite all, sacktime for me
[05:21] <arun> intelikey: how is it
[05:21] <intelikey> kdepepo of course it is...   :)    and your'e welcome...
[05:21] <dewitt> the data base is lockout in adept, can't excute updates or change anything
[05:22] <intelikey> arun was lacking,  back then,  that was in 2002 i think.
[05:22] <intelikey> !adeptcrashfix | dewitt
[05:22] <ubotu> dewitt: If Adept crashed on you and your database is locked, try this in konsole:  sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a 
[05:23] <kdepepo> :)
[05:23] <intelikey> :)
[05:23] <Arwen> Ubuntu music?
[05:23] <kdepepo> african music
[05:24] <intelikey> !info ubuntu-sounds
[05:24] <ubotu> ubuntu-sounds: Ubuntu's GNOME audio theme. In component main, is optional. Version 0.6 (feisty), package size 2265 kB, installed size 3308 kB
[05:24] <arun> will stuff like koffice and kontact work well in gnome?
[05:24] <intelikey> !info kubuntu-sounds
[05:24] <ubotu> Package kubuntu-sounds does not exist in feisty, feisty-seveas
[05:24] <intelikey> ooops
[05:24] <kdepepo> the only thing i forgot to backup is the repo-list...
[05:24] <intelikey> !repos
[05:24] <ubotu> The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[05:24] <intelikey> kdepepo check that out   ^
[05:25] <sFEARs> is there an easy way to reset program to default
[05:25] <sFEARs> or do you just have to reinstall them
[05:25] <kdepepo> yeah, but added some unusual ones.... compiz git etc, have to readd them all
[05:25] <intelikey> sFEARs depends on the app
[05:25] <sFEARs> amarok
[05:26] <NickPresta> sFEARs, reset amarok to default? What do you mean?
[05:26] <intelikey> sFEARs something like    rm -r ~/.kde/share/apps/amarok
[05:27] <intelikey> make sure it's not running first
[05:27] <dewitt> betwen the commands is that dashes and a space
[05:27] <sFEARs> i'm not sure what i mean
[05:27] <sFEARs> but i don't think i changed anything.. and all of a sudden it says drivers unavail or something
[05:27] <intelikey> dewitt you like     rm -r $HOME/.kde/share/apps/amarok         better ?
[05:28] <sFEARs> delete the whole folder & download again?
[05:29] <intelikey> dewitt oh      sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a
[05:29] <intelikey> sFEARs no dl.
[05:29] <sFEARs> dpkg..
[05:29] <sFEARs> no dl
[05:29] <sFEARs> isn't that what rm
[05:29] <sFEARs> remove?
[05:29] <sFEARs> haha
[05:30] <intelikey> the app is not there,  only your personal configs for the app
[05:30] <sFEARs> ohh
[05:30] <sFEARs> dpkg.. i've used that before
[05:30] <sFEARs> i'll try it
[05:30] <sFEARs> when i removed the amarokrc file & tried to open amarok again it didn't do anything
[05:31] <intelikey> sFEARs and use the tab key in case i typoed.
[05:31] <intelikey> !tab
[05:31] <ubotu> You can use <tab> for autocompletion of nicknames in IRC, as well as for completion of filenames and programs on the command line.
[05:31] <sFEARs> at least i dind't get an error though
[05:31] <sFEARs> so which one should i try first
[05:31] <sFEARs> rm -r ~/.kde/share/apps/amarok?
[05:31] <intelikey> yeah
[05:32] <kdepepo> sFEARs, are you sure you quit amarok? it usually stays at the task bar panel
[05:32] <sFEARs> good call
[05:32] <ItsaBoy> hello all, are there any emulators that can install exe files?
[05:33] <NickPresta> !wine | ItsaBoy
[05:33] <ubotu> ItsaBoy: wine is a compatibility layer for running Windows programs on GNU/Linux. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Wine for more information.
[05:33] <ItsaBoy> ok sweet thank you :)
[05:33] <NickPresta> although Wine Is Not an Emulator ;)
[05:33] <intelikey> wine is wine is not an emulator
[05:33] <Arwen> On a Pentium 4 HT system, I've got a process using up 68% CPU. Which considering both CPU 0 and 1 are really the same, is... >100%? Is this a bug in the monitoring software?
[05:35] <intelikey> Arwen probably,   or an undocumented feature  :)
[05:35] <roverclyde> 1+3=6
[05:35] <Arwen> intelikey, or the software is really efficient ;)
[05:35] <intelikey> or that
[05:35] <sFEARs> alright.. did that, same problem.. but only when i try to select alsa as the output plugin
[05:35] <sFEARs> mabey i need to do something with alsa?
[05:35] <intelikey> [ $((1+3)) = 6 ]  && echo `rm -r ~`
[05:36] <Arwen> New and improved Windows Beachhouse: So efficient, it can use more resources than you have!
[05:37] <intelikey> !sound | sFEARs maybe a look on the "trubble shooting" page
[05:37] <ubotu> sFEARs maybe a look on the "trubble shooting" page: If you're having problems with sound, first ensure ARTS is running, by going to K Menu -> System Settings -> Sound System and making sure "Enable the sound system" is checked. If that fails, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Sound - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting - For playing audio files, see !Players and !MP3
[05:38] <sFEARs> ubuntu- system/prefs/sounds?
[05:38] <sFEARs> i have no enable sound system in there
[05:39] <sFEARs> enable software sound mixing
[05:39] <sFEARs> is checked
[05:40] <sFEARs> sorry this is the room i got dropped into
[05:40] <sFEARs> wasn't quite paying attention to that
[05:40] <sFEARs> i could swith over
[05:40] <sFEARs> switch*
[05:40] <sFEARs> i get the same error
[05:43] <sFEARs> dpkg -clean alsa drivers?
[05:43] <sFEARs> <~~~ coder
[05:45] <josiah> !mp3
[05:45] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[05:46] <roverclyde> ubuntu + 1 = hot fun in the summertime
[05:51] <ubuntu_> im using the  kubuntu live cd and i need hlp installing
[05:53] <kdepepo> at which stage?
[05:55] <dewitt> got adept back thanks
[05:55] <ubuntu_> in prepare partitions when i choose my partition it says file system doesnt have expected sizes for windows 2 like it. cluster size is 2k (1k expected); number of clusters is 20017 (39957 expected); size of fats is 79 sectors (157 expected)
[05:56] <ubuntu_> plz hlp
[05:56] <kdepepo> _ do you want to replace windows or install side-by-side
[05:57] <ubuntu_> install side by side
[05:57] <ubuntu_> which is y i choose manuel 2 choose the partition that i made
[05:58] <kdepepo> if you made a separate partitition for kubuntu format it using ext3 filesystem
[05:59] <ubuntu_> nvm i did it
[06:01] <Bearcat> i;m loosing my mind folks, and i could use some help.
[06:01] <klobster> dang, you beat me to it
[06:02] <intelikey> :)
[06:02] <Bearcat> i'm trying to get a scanner working on a friends computer that works on my laptop. I have entered the product/vendor in a config file in /etc/sane.d/, copied over udev files all sorts of stuff.
[06:02] <roverclyde> what do you need help with bearcat?
[06:02] <Bearcat> thanks
[06:03] <Bearcat> i told them "you'll like kubuntu, stay away from Vista." this is making us all look bad! For the sake of Linux itself you must help me get this working!!!
[06:03] <Bearcat> <.<  >.>
[06:04] <level1> Hi, why is it that kubuntu package manager breaks apt whenever you try to install something without the dependencies?  Shouldn't it just give up before it breaks anything?
[06:04] <level1> you have to run apt-get -f install to correct it
[06:04] <Bearcat> *gurgle gurgle...*
[06:04] <intelikey> Bearcat what version and scanner ?
[06:05] <Bearcat> hey intelikey, i only have 8 lives left..
[06:05] <Bearcat> intelikey: it's a HP C3180 all-in-one
[06:05] <Cannoli> hey all
[06:05] <intelikey> ok and which version of ubuntu ?
[06:06] <Bearcat> intelikey: uh.. the latest one..uh..7.06?
[06:06] <intelikey> 7.04
[06:06] <intelikey> hmmm let me look
[06:07] <Bearcat> intelikey: if i apper the idiot, it's cause i'm a sourcemage user where things are different and less automatic.
[06:08] <intelikey> Bearcat have the foomatic-db-gimp-print & foomatic-db-gutenprint packages been upgraded on that system ?
[06:08] <Bearcat> intelikey: this computer began it's life as a 6.04.  I note that in my /etc/sane.d there is a hotplug dir and there is not one on my kubuntu laptop. I have moved that dir just incase it;s causing confusion. (hotplug is depreciated i believe)
[06:09] <Bearcat> intelikey: i donno
[06:09] <Bearcat> intelikey: let me check
[06:09] <intelikey> oh yuch   6.6 has a bug in the security update of the foomatic database   that will probably be the issue.
[06:10] <Bearcat> intelikey: oh!
[06:11] <intelikey> you might    apt-get remove -P foomatic*  && apt-get install cupsys       "might" fix it...
[06:11] <intelikey> backup the configs first
[06:12] <intelikey> and yes i know that will take several things with it....     sorry i can't do you better.
[06:12] <Bearcat> footmatic-db-gimp-print is not installed and foomaticdb-glutenprint is at 5.0.0.99
[06:12] <Bearcat> (gimp is not installed)
[06:13] <intelikey> yeah but the database for the driver is borked      check the bugs   on launchpad
[06:13] <intelikey> for the foomatic bug
[06:14] <intelikey> it was in breezy and they fixed it, then dapper released and first security update to the driver database they reintroduced the same old bug
[06:14] <Bearcat> ha
[06:15] <intelikey> yeah get this.   it hasn't been fixed sense...   and that's the  LTS release
[06:16] <Bearcat> ugh
[06:16] <intelikey> the bug is not in the fiesty release  so that's why yours works and his/her's doesn't
[06:16] <Bearcat> intelikey: i entered that command and it doesn't like the -P
[06:16] <intelikey> --purge  ?
[06:16] <Bearcat> Eneloop: Command line option 'P' [from -P]  is not known.
[06:17] <Bearcat> eneloop?
[06:17] <intelikey> -p  maybe  ???     it's one of those.
[06:17] <Bearcat> same result
[06:18] <intelikey> apt-get --purge remove <packagename>
[06:18] <intelikey> propper syntax   ^
[06:18] <intelikey> it does work i use it in a script
[06:20] <Bearcat> apt-get --purge remove  foomatic*  && apt-get install cupsys     tells me it can't find the package foomatic
[06:21] <Bearcat> is it ignoring the *  ?
[06:22] <rekorder> do we know what gconf-editor is?
[06:22] <yintelike> !info foomatic-db-gutenprint
[06:22] <ubotu> foomatic-db-gutenprint: OpenPrinting printer support - database for Gutenprint printer drivers. In component universe, is optional. Version 5.0.0.99.1-0ubuntu2 (feisty), package size 2382 kB, installed size 44680 kB
[06:23] <sFEARs> i look something up... and it tells me a million times to open gconf-editor and check some boxes
[06:23] <sFEARs> it would be nice to know how to open gconf
[06:24] <Bearcat> intelikey: is it sufficient to select all foomatic* in the adept manager, right click and choose "purge"?
[06:25] <melvin> how can I install & use the nvidia drivers?
[06:25] <Bearcat> intelikey: and in case it matters, the printer portin works fine, the scanner does not.
[06:25] <sFEARs> how can i tell which version of kubuntu i'm using?
[06:27] <sFEARs> and i used to think i knew how to use a computer
[06:27] <Biovore> lsb_version -cs  I think will give you the version..
[06:28] <sFEARs> didn't work
[06:28] <kdepepo> lsb_release -r
[06:29] <sFEARs> thanks
[06:30] <melvin> !nvidia|melvin
[06:45] <dknight> hi people
[06:45] <dknight> need help
[06:48] <arun> i am re-partitioning my hard drive. i want to remove a few partitions, should i do it manually or through the partition utility in the ubuntu installation process?
[06:49] <Bearcat> thanks  folks, I'll hammer at this sommore tomorrow
[06:49] <dknight> i've installed kubuntu but during installation it didn't ask the root password and now i "lost" it
[06:49] <dknight> so i cannot install programs and drivers
[06:49] <dknight> what i have to do?
[06:51] <arun> dknight: do you have your user password?
[06:51] <arun> the one you log in with?
[06:52] <dknight> i log with my standard user
[06:52] <dknight> not as root
[06:52] <dknight> but i need root passw
[06:53] <arun> yes
[06:53] <dknight> :(
[06:53] <arun> that should work
[06:53] <dknight> is there a default root password?
[06:53] <dknight> i have my user password
[06:54] <dknight> but this one doesn't work for accessing as root
[06:54] <dknight> or in the console the command "su -"
[06:54] <dknight> it says "authentication failed"
[06:55] <Cannoli> !media
[06:55] <ubotu> Audio (Ogg, MP3...) players: Audacious, Banshee, Beep Media Player, Quod Libet, Rhythmbox, XMMS (GTK/Gnome based) and Amarok, JuK (Qt/KDE based).  Video players: Totem, Xine, MPlayer, VLC, Kaffeine  -  See also !codecs
[06:55] <dknight> if i type my main user pw
[06:55] <Cannoli> dang
[06:55] <Cannoli> whts a good music player?
[06:55] <Cannoli> or all around playuer?
[06:55] <Cannoli> like winamp for linux?
[06:55] <dknight> mplayer is the best
[06:55] <Cannoli> kk
[06:55] <dknight> but vlc and kaffeine are also good ^^
[06:55] <Cannoli> arent those all movie?
[06:56] <zamboulie> how do you execute .bin files?
[06:57] <blackchaos> Im trying 2 connect 2 a server via konversation and i get this
[06:57] <blackchaos> You look like a bot. Be sure to fill in your nick/ident/realname properly
[06:57] <blackchaos> wat does this mean
[06:57] <zamboulie> i cd'd into the dir
[06:57] <zamboulie> and now i wanna run a .bin file
[06:57] <zamboulie> ive done it before but now i forget
[06:58] <blackchaos> can sum 1 plz hlp
[06:59] <Cannoli> ~mp3
[06:59] <Cannoli> !mp3
[06:59] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[06:59] <zamboulie> nobody??
[07:00] <melvin> zamboulie: you have to give it permission to run: chmod +x filename.bin
[07:00] <melvin> zamboulie: then you execute it: ./filename.bin
[07:01] <ronald__> with linux clients and linux servers running sshd, how can i get any given client's devices mapped on any given server?
[07:01] <ronald__> preferably without any GUIs
[07:01] <zamboulie> aaah
[07:01] <zamboulie> forgot the ./
[07:05] <arun> Cannoli: Amarok
[07:06] <arun> dknight: your user password should work to install programs, etc if you're the only user
[07:06] <Cannoli> ive tried
[07:06] <Cannoli> it keeps freezing
[07:06] <Cannoli> :(
[07:09] <arun> !lamp
[07:09] <ubotu> LAMP is an acronym for Linux-Apache-MySQL-PHP. However, the term is often used for setups using alternative but different software, such as Perl or Python instead of PHP, and Postgres instead of MySQL. For help with setting up LAMP on Ubuntu, see  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ApacheMySQLPHP - See also the Server CD installation process (different in Edgy+)
[07:16] <blackchaos> can sum 1 hlp me plz
[07:17] <blackchaos> plz
[07:17] <ronald__> what's the problem?
[07:19] <blackchaos> oh ok
[07:19] <blackchaos> im trying 2 connect 2 a server but it tells me that i look like a bot 2 plz fill out my nick,identity,realname properly
[07:20] <blackchaos> and i do have it set properly
[07:21] <blackchaos> plz hlp
[07:21] <ronald__> blackchaos: i have no idea what you are talking about
[07:23] <ronald__> blackchaos: if you are talking about an IRC server you are trying to connect to, you could provide the address so then at least more help can be provided. people aren't mind readers here.
[07:23] <blackchaos> kk hold on
[07:24] <blackchaos> the server is
[07:24] <blackchaos> irc.dashhacks.com
[07:24] <Taladan> Chances are....
[07:24] <ronald__> try: http://dashhacks.com/ and click on "Chat Now!"
[07:25] <ronald__> er, s/Now/Here/
[07:25] <Taladan> You need to go into where ever your particular client stores its nick, identity, realname and other settings....
[07:25] <Taladan> And I'm just guessing here,
[07:25] <Cannoli> rawr
[07:25] <Taladan> Fill that stuff out
[07:25] <Cannoli> i cant get .mp3 files to play
[07:25] <Cannoli> !mp3
[07:25] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[07:26] <MinusSeven> I have a USB Keyboard. When I boot up Fedora 7, the Num Lock, Caps Lock & Scroll Lock LED's are on.
[07:27] <msuiter> what is the command line to launch the KDE window manager?
[07:27] <ronald__> msuiter: echo 'startkde' > .xinitrc then startx
[07:27] <Taladan> msuiter: is your default wm KDE?
[07:28] <ronald__> with linux clients and linux servers running sshd, how can i get any given client's devices mapped on any given server?
[07:28] <msuiter> I just need a single command to start the kde window manager because I need to tell the compiz crash handler what to launch when it crashes
[07:29] <msuiter> Taladan
[07:29] <Taladan> probably just 'startx'
[07:29] <ronald__> on windows, i was able to get a windows client's CD-ROM drive to work with the server and stream windows server sound to windows client
[07:29] <ronald__> it'd be neat if there was a single point of contact similar in linux
[07:29] <Taladan> ronald__: You want any given ssh client's keys on any given server?
[07:30] <ronald__> Taladan: i didn't say anything about keys
[07:30] <Taladan> ronald__: I know, but I'm trying to figure out what you mean by 'mapped to'
[07:30] <ronald__> Taladan: see if the windows example makes sense. that's basically what i'd like with linux clients and linux servers
[07:30] <msuiter> Taladan, that isn't it, X is starting, I am running KDE, but I need to know how to revert back to the KDE window manager if Compiz decides to crash
[07:31] <Cannoli> awww yea
[07:31] <Cannoli> XD
[07:31] <Taladan> msuiter: no idea...I disabled Compiz about 20 minutes after I tried it out the first time
[07:31] <ronald__> msuiter: the KDE window manager is kwin. you might need to consult the man page for update-alternatives
[07:31] <Cannoli> thts u taladan
[07:31] <ronald__> msuiter: Compiz might have modified the symlinks in /etc/alternatives
[07:32] <ronald__> Taladan: did the windows example make sense?
[07:32] <msuiter> ronald__, but I could run    kwin --replace to change back to use it at any moment?
[07:32] <msuiter> woohoo
[07:32] <Taladan> ronald__: sortof, but I don't think that ssh is the way to handle it...there's servers out there that will stream media to your network, and do it securely (though I don't see any real reason to encrypt mp3's/oggs on a home network)
[07:32] <msuiter> yes I can
[07:32] <msuiter> I just did it
[07:32] <ronald__> wonderful
[07:33] <ronald__> Taladan: but i'm not just saying for audio. i mean _any_ client device. mouse, keyboard, speakers, cd-rom drives, removeable drives, etc.
[07:33] <msuiter> how do I run 2 commands simultaneously in a terminal?
[07:33] <ronald__> msuiter: command1; command2
[07:33] <Taladan> ronald__: Sounds like you want something like LDAP or a thin client solution setup.
[07:34] <ronald__> Taladan: why the added complexity? windows can do it without all that
[07:34] <ronald__> Taladan: i definitely do not want a thin client solution
[07:34] <Taladan> Actually, windows just doesn't tell you what it's doing when it does it
[07:34] <ronald__> that's true. i assume everything is being passed through RDP though
[07:34] <Taladan> If you're going to do that on a network of any size on windows, you're doing it through Active Directory which is their abortion of LDAP.
[07:34] <ronald__> i don't have any openldap / active directory setups going on
[07:35] <ronald__> this is just for a home network though
[07:35] <ronald__> very small home network
[07:35] <Taladan> *nods*
[07:35] <ronald__> well, small is relative. about 8 computers (old and new, so there's a mishmash of technology)
[07:35] <Taladan> What I'd probably do is use NFS to share media/files out, and then if you want to control the desktop, just use krdp or something similar.
[07:36] <ronald__> will NFS handle devices as well?
[07:36] <rc-1> whenever i run a program i get http://pastebin.com/m7cd0fb51 :( no idea what do do help plz
[07:37] <ronald__> can i mount -t iso9660 /mnt/some_computer_1/dev/cdrom /some_computer_1_mounted_as_local_on_server ?
[07:37] <Taladan> I don't think so ronald__, but then again, I've never tried to use a device through NFS...devices in linux are just another file.
[07:38] <ronald__> Taladan: not really. i've sort of been spoiled by plan9 which is why i'm asking if it's possible to do in linux ;)
[07:38] <Taladan> I know that there are ways to mount other systems to a directory location on your drive...might look at sshfs...that would allow you to access the mounted points just like ssh'ing into the systems.
[07:39] <Taladan> takes a little bit of setup, but again - not something I've had to set up on my own, just stuff I've read about.
[07:39] <msuiter> !fusion-icon
[07:39] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about fusion-icon - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[07:39] <ronald__> Taladan: hmm, i hope i'm not picky your brain too much here, but would i be able to use something like sshfs or cifs or any of those network file system drivers to utilize audio / video devices?
[07:40] <Taladan> you mean like x11 forwarding?
[07:40] <Taladan> honestly don't know...haven't delved that far into it
[07:40] <ronald__> Taladan: yes! something like that
[07:41] <ronald__> Taladan: to put it more concretely, let's say there's client1 and server1. if client1 wanted to play music on client1 using server1's audio card, would i need to load a kernel module on the client1's terminal as well as server1's? it seems rather wasteful
[07:41] <Taladan> I know that you can forward your xserver in linux, I've done it before, but it's been years.  X is simply another 'server' service that can be sent to any machine with proper credentials
[07:41] <ronald__> right, X was built with networking in mind
[07:41] <ronald__> you can tunnel X with SSH
[07:41] <ronald__> (which by the way, is why i prefer directfb for non-networked lightweight GUI setups (oxymoron?))
[07:42] <Taladan> ronald__: I know that what you're talking about /is/ theoretically possible, but I've never played with doing it myself.
[07:42] <ronald__> Taladan: okay, well thanks a lot :)
[07:42] <Jack333> man this is pissing me off
[07:42] <Jack333> youtube randomly like stalls for a second
[07:42] <Jack333> like 3 or 4 times in a single video
[07:43] <ronald__> Jack333: is that a connection issue or a plugin issue?
[07:44] <Jack333> its gotta be a youtube/firefox issue
[07:44] <Jack333> the video is fully loaded
[07:44] <Jack333> and it still screws up, its SO annoying
[07:45] <Taladan> I've gotta fiddle with my kubuntu install and get flash working on it properly.  Still haven't taken time to try and voodoo it into submission again since I reinstalled.
[07:46] <dougie> did you install the mplayer plugin
[07:47] <Taladan> no, I was trying to get the gnash plugin to work properly, but it seems to hate youtube and all other videos like that.
[07:47] <pioneer> good morning
[07:47] <elite101> omg u guys are going to kill me :(
[07:48] <Blackleo> i can me help for the terminal of root __
[07:49] <elite101> well im running windows xp :(
[07:49] <elite101> and talking on mIRC wich sucks very badly
[07:49] <Taladan> We're not going to kill you.
[07:49] <elite101> lol
[07:49] <elite101> it feels weird lol i click on things only once
[07:49] <Taladan> XP might, but hey, freedom of choice and all that ;)
[07:49] <elite101> and they dont open up
[07:49] <elite101> lol i forget to doubble click
[07:50] <dougie> sound like your in the wrong place
[07:50] <elite101> lol
[07:50] <elite101> well technically
[07:51] <elite101> user: Elite101 orginization: LinuxJunk ;)
[07:51] <elite101> junky*
[07:51] <Daisuke_Laptop> top o' the mornin' to ye
[07:52] <elite101> lol 1:52 am
[07:53] <Daisuke_Laptop> pretty close to the top then
[07:53] <Daisuke_Laptop> same time here
[07:53] <Daisuke_Laptop> and the worst part: i have class in 7 hours
[07:53] <Taladan> a saturday morning class?  Ew
[07:54] <elite101> ahh school xD
[07:54] <elite101> :P
[07:54] <Taladan> well, with an associates
[08:02] <arun> How do I check the size of a file/directory through Konsole?
[08:03] <dougie> ls -l
[08:05] <Lynoure> that does only works for files, for directories du -sh directory   works better
[08:08] <arun> hey Lynoure, long time
[08:08] <arun> so du -sh <path> ?
[08:10] <iarwain_> hiya, does anyone know a wireless manager who logs in automatically to the wifi upon boot?
[08:11] <dougie> knetworkmanager
[08:13] <arun> does knetworkmanager work with gnome
[08:18] <Jack333> can i auto detect windows shared folders frmo within ubuntu
[08:26] <makuseru> how do i make a two part rar archive?
[08:40] <klaus> hallo
[08:42] <terrestre> german?
[08:46] <LoneShadow> !themes
[08:46] <ubotu> Find your themes at: http://www.gnome-look.org - http://art.gnome.org - http://www.kde-look.org - http://themes.freshmeat.net/browse/58/ - http://www.guistyles.com - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/ - Also see !changethemes and https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuEyeCandy
[08:55] <carbonfreeze> anyone running kubuntu tribe? i'm having an issue where KDE is no longer handling removal storage devices (USB). Normally, I would get a popup from KDE complaining about a new device being inserted but I have not seen it since 7.04 -> tribe4 upgrade. the device gets nodes created in /dev and I can mount it manually. KDE storage hander service appears to be running (according to kcontrol). I'm not seeing anything abnormal in dmesg
[09:12] <Cannoli> !notepad
[09:12] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about notepad - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:12] <Cannoli> !note
[09:12] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about note - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:12] <Cannoli> damn
[09:12] <Cannoli> whts the linux version of notepad?
[09:12] <hangthedj> kate?
[09:14] <goodhabit> Cannoli: ^) it depends...
[09:14] <goodhabit> kwrite ?
[09:14] <carbonfreeze> kwrite/kate/gedit/emacs/scite...
[09:14] <goodhabit> emacs & kate now really...
[09:14] <goodhabit> ^)
[09:14] <Cannoli> hah perfect
[09:14] <Cannoli> yea im using kate now
[09:14] <Cannoli> thanx
[09:14] <Cannoli> :)
[09:15] <goodhabit> They r "heavy:
[09:15] <Cannoli> "S
[09:15] <Cannoli> :S
[09:15] <hangthedj> i love kate
[09:15] <Cannoli> heavy?
[09:15] <carbonfreeze> Alt+F2 enter kwrite
[09:15] <goodhabit> Heavy - mean more-more powerful than notepad.
[09:15] <Cannoli> ah ic
[09:15] <goodhabit> Kwrite is like notepad.
[09:15] <Cannoli> yea
[09:15] <goodhabit> But everybody using kate, kate is very good.
[09:16] <addax> how can i do to tell to ssh that go through an especific net device? (sorry my english)
[09:16] <carbonfreeze> eh, you could use zile or micro-emacs if you want fast loading. nano is fast too
[09:16] <hangthedj> i'm particulaly fond of Joe
[09:16] <Cannoli> cept i cant get divx web player working
[09:16] <Cannoli> :(
[09:17] <carbonfreeze> yeah JOE is nice. runs good with 16mb RAM
[09:17] <carbonfreeze> would be nice if kubuntu and suse would steal eachothers improvements
[09:17] <Cannoli> can anyone get any vids to work on stage6.divx.com?
[09:18] <carbonfreeze> ex: I would like to see fast package management in suse; and something like yast in kubuntu
[09:18] <GoodHabit> addax: maybe with routes?
[09:18] <carbonfreeze> Cannoli: did you install proprietery codecs? IIRC divx works fine using mplayer-plugin for firefox
[09:19] <Cannoli> iircs?
[09:19] <Cannoli> iirc?
[09:19] <carbonfreeze> If I remeber correctly...
[09:19] <Cannoli> uh oh
[09:19] <Cannoli> dont think i did
[09:19] <addax> GoodHabit: happend that i have 4 net device (eth1, eth0, vmnet8 and vmnet1). i want that ssh go to an especific one
[09:19] <Cannoli> lemme check though
[09:19] <GoodHabit> Cannoli: $sudo aptitude install libxine1-ffmpeg
[09:20] <GoodHabit> addax: I dunno actually, but i think what u can do it using route.
[09:20] <addax> GoodHabit: tell me more
[09:20] <Cannoli> done
[09:20] <Cannoli> restart firefox?
[09:21] <GoodHabit> Cannoli: Use konqueror. )
[09:21] <GoodHabit> Konqueror is very good browser.
[09:21] <Cannoli> i noticed
[09:21] <GoodHabit> Very good, better than firefox 100%.
[09:21] <Cannoli> i just installed firefox for tht divx fdunction
[09:22] <Cannoli> OH SNAP
[09:22] <GoodHabit> addax: Sorry, but i cannot give for you more information, cuz i have 1 network interface ) Try to read man page for route
[09:22] <Cannoli> thanx!!!!
[09:22] <Cannoli> :)
[09:22] <GoodHabit> konqueror - man:route
[09:24] <addax> GoodHabit: and example could be "route add 10.0.0.1 -gw eth1"?
[09:24] <Cannoli> GoodHabit: when i hit play
[09:24] <Cannoli> the divx window dissappears
[09:25] <hangthedj> Cannoli: what site are you on?
[09:25] <Cannoli> stage6.divx.com
[09:25] <Cannoli> apperently it works with firefox and the mplayer-plugin
[09:25] <Cannoli> i tried it but it didnt work
[09:25] <hangthedj> for konqueror, you have to add the .divx extention.
[09:25] <Cannoli> where?
[09:25] <hangthedj> for firefox, you have to edit the options in mplayer.
[09:25] <hangthedj> -plugin
[09:26] <combo> - koffeine doesn't show subtitles :/ what am i supposed to do ?
[09:26] <hangthedj> Cannoli: hold on let me think, i did this awhile ago, and it took along time for me to get it working in konqueror, even longer on firefox.
[09:26] <Cannoli> kk
[09:26] <GoodHabit> combo: R u choosed subtitles on bottom button?
[09:27] <combo> GoodHabit: they are choosen automaticly
[09:27] <combo> as i can see
[09:27] <combo> also sub. has same name like movie
[09:27] <Cannoli> i got it
[09:27] <combo> sometimes it shows but mainly not :] 
[09:27] <Cannoli> hangthedj: i got it. its in file associations in konquror
[09:28] <Cannoli> embedded tab and select the mplayer plugin
[09:28] <Cannoli> thanx  for your help :)
[09:29] <hangthedj> right, Cannoli: to get it to work for me, on Konqueror, i had to use the Kaffeine-Xine plugin.
[09:30] <Cannoli> ah ic
[09:30] <Cannoli> does it make a difference?>
[09:31] <hangthedj> whatever works works ;)
[09:32] <hangthedj> on my computer though, it does look nicer in firefox.  but thats just one site.
[09:32] <Cannoli> ic
[09:32] <Cannoli> yea i just tried it
[09:32] <Cannoli> slowed down everything
[09:32] <Cannoli> like lagged my entire pc
[09:32] <Cannoli> -_-
[09:34] <carbonfreeze> i prefer mplayer-plugin w/ firefox compared to the kaffeine plugin; although both have their issues
[09:35] <hangthedj> has anyone installed that new beta of flashplayer 4 linux?
[09:35] <carbonfreeze> eh, i used flash 9 awhile back, worked fine for me
[09:36] <hangthedj> its like flash 9 beta 3200 or something, they said there was better support for linux i guess.
[09:37] <carbonfreeze> what annoys me are the sites which say I don't have flash 9, but its installed and works fine on other sites.
[09:38] <hangthedj> maybe thats one of the fixes, i haven't installed it cause flash works fine now. and i don't wanna break it.
[09:42] <neusonce> hey guys i dont hav a kubuntu  issue i have SUSE issue but they dont have they guys to help, its with a sound card. anyone to help ?
[09:43] <adydas> does beryl log?
[09:52] <addax> anybody have used qemu?
[09:52] <terrestre> !compiz | drif
[09:52] <ubotu> drif: Compiz (compositing window manager) and XGL (X server architecture layered on top of OpenGL) - Howto at http://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager - Help in #ubuntu-effects
[09:52] <GoodHabit> addax: It is much easier to use virtualbox.
[09:53] <terrestre> thats howto work well
[09:53] <terrestre> !emerald | drif
[09:53] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about emerald - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:54] <addax> it's for school work
[09:56] <combo> !codecs
[09:56] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[09:58] <combo> if 'gstreamer0.10-plugins-bad-multiverse' can't be installed cuz it needs libfaad2-0 which is not gonna be installed, what should i do ?
[10:00] <combo> -> how to install codecs?!
[10:00] <combo> don't u watch movies, guys??
[10:02] <terrestre> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats -  <--- just follow thats instruction
[10:02] <terrestre> check your ubuntu version first
[10:02] <combo> terrestre: ok
[10:02] <pag> combo, enable all repos - including multiverse
[10:03] <combo> pag: how to enable? cuz there is always error: 'gstreamer0.10-plugins-bad-multiverse' needs libfaad2-0 :/
[10:04] <pag> !repos | combo
[10:04] <ubotu> combo: The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[10:04] <pag> combo, if that doesn't work, check your /etc/apt/sources.list
[10:05] <combo> isn't this enough: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/34970/ (that's my sources.list file)
[10:05] <combo> ???
[10:06] <combo> pag: but i'm trying your solution, first
[10:06] <combo> when i'm clicking ADEPT menu there is only one option: QUIT so i can't manage repositories :/
[10:07] <pag> combo, are you running feisty?
[10:07] <pag> and are you trying adept_manager or adept_installer
[10:07] <combo> no - my mistakte - there is
[10:07] <combo> pag: yeap - feisty
[10:07] <combo> pag: in manage repos. all option enabled
[10:09] <pag> combo, you have pretty many unofficial repos in yur sources.list - are you sure they don't have any "customised" versions of needed packages with wrong depencies?
[10:09] <pag> combo, I'd try to disable all unofficial ones, and see if the installation will be ok
[10:09] <combo> i read this on forum.ubuntu.pl and there is written that it should works as well
[10:10] <combo> pag: ok
[10:10] <combo> i have not too much knowledge 'bout that so be my guest ;)
[10:13] <JackPhil> could I chang the key binding of ksynaptics?
[10:13] <JackPhil> C-M-P
[10:14] <combo> pag: and how's going on ? :)
[10:14] <combo> i have to install those stupid codecs cuz i don't have subtitles in kaffeine while watching movies :{
[10:15] <pag> combo, a little tired after yesterday, but otherwise I'm great :) ( #kubuntu-offtopic might be a better place to have this discussion though)
[10:15] <pag> combo, uhm.. what's wrong with subtitles? are they 'hard-coded' or in a seperate file?
[10:16] <combo> no - they have same name, same place (in same directory) - there is written that the subt. are loaded but can't see them :/
[10:17] <combo> i've been trying everything
[10:17] <pag> do they work in ie. mplayer?
[10:17] <combo> didn't try
[10:18] <combo> i love kaffeine... but what is interesting - yesterday they worked :] 
[10:18] <combo> today when i wanted to watch a movie it crashed
[10:19] <combo> but i guess it might be codecs fault cuz i've not installed them :}
[10:19] <combo> and i can't install gstream! :[
[10:20] <combo> i can use AUTOMATIX easily but i don't want to trash my new system anymore :] 
[10:20] <malqos> how can i install jave 1.5.0?
[10:20] <malqos> java
[10:21] <malqos> 1.5.0
[10:22] <adydas> ok im stumped.. afaik ive installed beryl perfectly.. beryl manager runs but when i select the beryl from window manager the screen flicks and then i check it out to find still kde..
[10:22] <adydas> where do i start to diagnose this, xorg.log?
[10:22] <GoodHabit> adydas: Sorry, can u repeat what is problem with beryl?
[10:23] <adydas> well the beryl manager runs fine
[10:23] <adydas> but when i select beryl from the window manager option the screen flicks and has no chance
[10:23] <adydas> berly hasnt loaded but nor has it errored
[10:23] <adydas> it has worked on another install with the same hardware so i know it can work i just dont know why or how to tell why its not working this time around.
[10:23] <GoodHabit> So u read instructions about beryl installation?
[10:24] <GoodHabit> *Configuring
[10:24] <Cannoli> is it possible to get a matrix screesaver for linux?
[10:25] <GoodHabit> Cannoli: It is possible
[10:25] <Cannoli> how might i be able to acquire one?
[10:26] <Cannoli> cause the matrix falling makes a sick screen saver
[10:27] <neusonce> GUYS what version of alsa dose kubuntu 7.4 use ?
[10:30] <pip> addax, Hello
[10:30] <combo> can splash-screen be an animated *.gif image ? :)
[10:31] <neusonce> !asla
[10:31] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about asla - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[10:31] <adydas> GoodHabit: yes, but that fails to say what to do when it fails to work with no signs of why
[10:32] <Cannoli> !sudo
[10:32] <ubotu> sudo is a command to run programs with superuser privileges ("root"). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for all information.
[10:32] <adydas> combo: try http://kde-look.org
[10:34] <doug_> does anyone here know anything about initng?
[10:34] <combo> adydas: thx
[10:34] <adydas> initing?
[10:34] <doug_> no it's like init
[10:34] <adydas> whats  up?
[10:35] <doug_> but its faster boot-up speed.  initng is a program
[10:35] <GoodHabit> adydas: Make it like described at beryl-wiki on homepage of beryl-project.
[10:35] <adydas> beryl wiki wont load
[10:35] <adydas> some message about being back later as some ones tagged it with garbage and it needing some TLC
[10:41] <Dogg> http://www.streetracers.de.tp/?wid=9128
[10:44] <edulix> hi
[10:44] <edulix> I have a core 2 duo, which iso image should I download? i386 or amd64?
[10:45] <edulix> becuase core 2 duo is 64 bits (AFAIK)
[10:45] <pag> edulix, both will work - i386 is probably easier
[10:46] <edulix> pag: but then why it's called amd64?
[10:46] <edulix> I don't really understand what has this to do with amd if it also works in intel
[10:47] <pag> edulix, iirc amd did the 64bit trick first, so arch is called that way
[10:47] <edulix> ahh ok
[10:48] <pag> edulix, x86_64 is the vendor-independed way to refer to 64bit - both are used and mean the same thing
[10:59] <unique311> compiz fusion guide?
[10:59] <unique311> can't seem to get compiz working with kubuntu
[11:03] <ksivaji> !geisty
[11:03] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about geisty - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:04] <ksivaji> !guisty
[11:04] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about guisty - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:04] <MilhousePunkRock> unique311: Try #ubuntu-effects
[11:04] <MilhousePunkRock> ksivaji: Are you looking for Feisty or Gutsy?
[11:05] <ksivaji> !Gutsy
[11:05] <ubotu> Gutsy Gibbon is the code name for the next release of Ubuntu (7.10) | (due October 2007) | It is development software, as such unstable, support _only_ in #ubuntu+1
[11:05] <unique311> thanks MilhousePunkRock
[11:05] <unique311> you the same MilhousePunkRock on #maemo
[11:06] <MilhousePunkRock> unique311: I don't think so, but my nick is registered on freenode
[11:06] <MilhousePunkRock> unique311: I am the same on #amarok though ;)
[11:06] <unique311> ok
[11:07] <MilhousePunkRock> unique311: That's just a plain "milhouse" over there... ;)
[11:07] <unique311> plain..
[11:07] <unique311> might be related if thats your last name.
[11:09] <ksivaji> MilhousePunkRock can i download gusty
[11:09] <MilhousePunkRock> unique311: My middle name is PunkRock! ;)
[11:09] <MilhousePunkRock> ksivaji: If you dare, you can, but support and discussion is only in #ubuntu+1
[11:10] <ksivaji> MilhousePunkRock you mean it is unstable
[11:11] <MilhousePunkRock> ksivaji: It's under heavy developement, things will break once in a while...
[11:11] <ksivaji> ok ok
[11:21] <jake> hi guys please help me to fix my adept
[11:21] <damian> gday
[11:22] <damian> can someone please help me resize an active partition
[11:23] <pag> jake, could you describe your problem?
[11:25] <contrast83> damian: your best bet would probably be to use a gparted live cd. someone correct me if there's an easier way.
[11:25] <jake> when i open the adept it say i
[11:26] <jake>  cnnot modify check if other application are running
[11:27] <pag> jake, well are there other adept-apps running? ie. Updates?
[11:28] <jake> nope. it happens to me before and some body give me a command like fixing the adept
[11:28] <pag> !aptfix | jake
[11:28] <ubotu> jake: If Adept crashed on you and your database is locked, try this in konsole:  sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a 
[11:29] <jake> thanx pag. ubotu's command is whaty im looking for. i appreciate your help so much
[11:29] <pag> np :)
[11:31] <jake> anyway anybody here guys using vmware?
[11:37] <llp78> I need some help with a 1gb usb pen only showing up as 560mb in kubuntu - the space is being used but i cant see any files on the pen
[11:37] <llp78> should I format the pen and if so how?
[11:38] <edulix> /j #vbox,#vmware
[11:38] <edulix> ups
[11:40] <MilhousePunkRock> llp78: Is it partioned or something?
[11:41] <llp78> MilhousePunkRock: no partition on it - all I want is too get the 1gb back
[11:42] <MilhousePunkRock> llp78: If it's vfat, it should work out of the box... Do you plan to share it with windows machines? If not, you could format it to ext2/3
[11:42] <llp78> MilhousePunkRock: i do need to use this pen on linux and kubuntu
[11:42] <llp78> MilhousePunkRock: how do I format the usb pen?
[11:43] <runlevelten> What other things have/are you using the pen for?
[11:43] <dim> hello all, is synaptic used only in gnome? or can it also be installed and used in kde too?
[11:43] <runlevelten> works fine in KDE
[11:43] <runlevelten> I've used it in KDE for years, without issue
[11:44] <dim> runlevelten: i am just downloading it with aptitude but it is now installing some gnome libraries, is it supposed to be so?
[11:44] <runlevelten> Well, except for the odd crash/failure to install issues synaptic used to have anywhere, heh :)
[11:44] <MilhousePunkRock> llp78: Just like any other device, "sudo mkfs.ext3 /dev/sdxy" where x is the device and y the partition... Could be sda1, for intance, check "sudo dmesg" to find out
[11:45] <runlevelten> It will install its deps yeah. It's no biggy though
[11:45] <dim> runlevelten: ok, thanks. otherwise I thought it is downloading for the gnome :-)
[11:45] <runlevelten> It'll just load them while you're package managing, that's all
[11:46] <runlevelten> It doesn't hurt to have the foundation of both for special cases like synaptic, imo
[11:48] <arun> Ok so I'm repartitioning my hard drive.. should i allocate 15GB for / and the rest for /home ?
[11:49] <arun> ??
[11:49] <arun> is 15GB too much for / ?
[11:49] <MilhousePunkRock> arun: Sounds good to me
[11:49] <arun> hey MilhousePunkRock
[11:50] <MilhousePunkRock> Hello arun
[11:50] <arun> is 15GB too much for / ? is it enough?
[11:51] <MilhousePunkRock> arun: Depens on your needs, for a regular desktos system, that is enough, you could even make it smaller... I dont think it would hurt to have it bigger than you need it though...
[11:51] <arun> MilhousePunkRock: alright, thanks :)
[11:51] <arun> this is the first time i'm using a /home partition
[11:51] <arun> when gutsy comes out, can i do a clean install and not worry about stuff stored in /home?
[11:52] <MilhousePunkRock> arun: Right...
[11:53] <arun> alright
[11:53] <arun> sorry if i sound a bit dim-witted heh
[11:55] <bart_> need help, my adept manager is running in locked mode it says that another program is running.. how do i close the other program?
[11:56] <pag> !aptfix | bart_
[11:56] <ubotu> bart_: If Adept crashed on you and your database is locked, try this in konsole:  sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a 
[12:04] <cath> I have a slightly annoying problem with knetworkmanager. Running feisty on an old toshiba laptop, my xircom cardbus network card is always disabled on startup, and I have to manually enable it with knetworkmanager on the panel. Is there any way to automate enabling the card?
[12:04] <bart_> thanx
[12:10] <cath__> so quiet in here
[12:17] <wolfger> it echoes
[12:17] <wolfger> good morning, cath
[12:17] <cath__> hi. it's 8.17pm here, but good morning to you
[12:18] <wolfger> other side of the world... 6:18 AM here
[12:19] <runlevelten> Ah, oz eh? Well hello :)
[12:19] <cath__> I have a slightly annoying problem with knetworkmanager. Running feisty on an old toshiba laptop, my xircom cardbus network card is always disabled on startup, and I have to manually enable it with knetworkmanager on the panel. Is there any way to automate enabling the card?
[12:21] <wolfger> I'm sure there is, but I haven't figured it out yet. I haven't been able to get my Xubuntu LiveCD to enable my work laptop wifi at all, much less at startup.
[12:22] <cath__> I find xubuntu a little rough around the edges, esp compared to kubuntu
[12:22] <wolfger> it is
[12:22] <wolfger> but the work laptop isn't exactly a powerhouse machine...
[12:23] <wolfger> and I rarely use it outside of work... I just want to not have to boot into Windows on those rare occasions I need the laptop for personal reasons
[12:23] <cath__> same here. I've installed xubuntu and kubuntu on this laptop, but it doesn't make as much difference as I thought it would. Desktop starts up a little quicker, but that's about it
[12:25] <wolfger> here at the home base, I installed Ubuntu, gave it an honest effort for about a week and a half, and then I just couldn't stand GNOME any more. :-)
[12:25] <wolfger> installed "kubuntu-desktop" package last night :-)
[12:26] <wolfger> I keep thinking about going back to a Fluxbox desktop, which I used to love, but I've got power to spare on this desktop PC, and KDE is prettier.
[12:38] <uncoolguy> hey all
[12:38] <vprints> in gutsy the compiz -replace loose destroys window decorations
[12:39] <uncoolguy> anybody wanna help me with an audio issue on a toshiba satellite a205-s4707
[12:39] <vprints> how to get them back ?
[12:39] <Jack333> how can i see my windows shares in kubuntu
[12:40] <cath__> uncoolguy: just state your problem and see if anyone bites
[12:40] <uncoolguy> I did .... I have no audio
[12:40] <uncoolguy> and that's an issue
[12:40] <uncoolguy> haha
[12:40] <cath__> has it ever worked, or new install?
[12:41] <uncoolguy> new install of kubuntu .... works fine on vista (dualboot machine)
[12:41] <uncoolguy> I couldn't get it to work when I tried compiz either, or sabayon
[12:41] <wolfger> jack333, are your windows shares mounting, do you know?
[12:42] <wolfger> desktop icons for those partitions, maybe?
[12:42] <uncoolguy> a friend recommended I try kubuntu, as that's what he runs now (with XP pro virtualized interestingly enough, and he said that it's much more stable haha)
[12:42] <Jack333> i have a crapload of computers with shared folders, isnt there a way to autodetect them
[12:42] <bart_> how do i install vlc?
[12:43] <stamen> hi
[12:43] <stamen> how to read UDF burned file
[12:43] <Jack333> bart_ sudo apt-get install vlc
[12:43] <wolfger> jack333, not sure, exactly. I don't have any windows shares currently (did on previous distro), but Ubuntu autodetected everything I have....
[12:43] <stamen> it is a movie, but burned on UDF, and now I can't see it on the DVD
[12:44] <wolfger> I would imagine it would auto-detect NTFS partitions as well
[12:44] <uncoolguy> also having problems with beryl, the ctrl+alt+arrow keys don't rotate the cube like they did in compiz and/or sabayon
[12:44] <stamen> no errors were displayed, and the file is the, but when I insert the DVD I can't see the file, it's like it is not recorded
[12:44] <stamen> what to do
[12:45] <bart_> jack333: thank you
[12:46] <Jack333> np
[12:46] <uncoolguy> hmmm
[12:46] <uncoolguy> I can't remember what I set the root password too
[12:46] <uncoolguy> :(
[12:46] <uncoolguy> haha
[12:46] <Jack333> lol
[12:46] <uncoolguy> thought I did, but it won't accept it
[12:46] <uncoolguy> that's not good
[12:46] <Jack333> hahaha
[12:47] <uncoolguy> is there a way to look it up?
[12:47] <uncoolguy> and/or change it?
[12:48] <cath__> uncoolguy: how did you log in?
[12:48] <arun> Can someone please help me with partitioning? I am trying to partition as: 40GB Windows XP partition, 30GB FAT32 shared partition, 512mb swap, 15GB as / and the rest as /home  . how do i do this? I am trying, but as soon as i create a total of 4 partitions (including swap), it allocates the rest of the space as 'unusable'. What am I doing wrong?
[12:48] <uncoolguy> logged in as user
[12:49] <uncoolguy> I was trying to run alsaconf
[12:49] <uncoolguy> but it says I have to run it as root
[12:49] <cath__> uncoolguy: and you have a password, right? that should be the "root" password
[12:50] <uncoolguy> but when I hit su, which is how I was told to run something as root in terminal, but when I type in the password I use to log on, it says Authentication failure
[12:50] <cath__> sudo <command>
[12:50] <uncoolguy> hmmm
[12:50] <uncoolguy> ok
[12:51] <uncoolguy> well that worked, but it doesn't run alsaconf
[12:51] <bart_> jack333: how do make vlc my defualt player, and how do i install mp3 support for amarok, it hangs before it can install mp3 support
[12:51] <arun> anyone?
[12:51] <Jack333> duno sorry
[12:51] <bart_> how do make vlc my defualt player, and how do i install mp3 support for amarok, it hangs before it can install mp3 support
[12:52] <bart_> jack333: np
[12:53] <uncoolguy> anybody know why my audio might not be working
[12:53] <uncoolguy> Toshiba satellite a205
[12:53] <uncoolguy> HDA Intel soundcard
[12:54] <cath__> uncoolguy: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=205449&page=63 might be of help to you
[12:54] <uncoolguy> thanks cath__
[12:54] <cath__> bart_: you can set default apps from konqueror settings
[12:55] <jobbe_> hey
[12:57] <jobbe_> I'm running gutsy atm and I noticed that gtk applications stopped working (firefox, gimp etc). I get this error: http://www.pastebin.ca/670044 with every gtk app. any ideas on this?
[01:04] <cath__> bart_: also, I install mp3 support, etc, with medibuntu packages. http://medibuntu.sos-sts.com read the repository howto
[01:13] <jabba> hallo
[01:13] <jabba> ist es eigentlich problemlos von feisty auf Gutsy Gibbon zu wechslen?
[01:13] <jabba> also einfach source.list auf gutsy anpassen und dann dist-upgrade?
[01:14] <jabba> oder gibts da evtl sogar ne ankeitung zu?
[01:14] <jabba> oh sorry
[01:14] <jabba> should write in english
[01:15] <jabba> is there a problem to upgrade from feisty to gutsy? Or just simply changing sources.list entries to gutsy and then do a dist-upgrade with aptitude
[01:22] <bart_> cath__: thnax
[01:30] <uncoolguy> hey quick question ..... following the installation of this audio driver that alsa-project put up, and in there is a command that doesn't work, and I'm not sure what's wrong with it
[01:30] <uncoolguy> it says cp /downloads/alsa-* .
[01:31] <uncoolguy> but when I type that, it says .... cp: cannot stat '/downloads/alsa-*': no such file or directory
[01:31] <ubuntu_> hehehe
[01:32] <uncoolguy> so then I thought maybe I had to download something? but I can't find links for whatever I'm supposed to be downloading
[01:32] <uncoolguy> anybody have any ideas?
[01:33] <uncoolguy> what does the cp command do?
[01:33] <drif> copy files
[01:33] <cath__> uncoolguy: that's a copy command. you're probably trying to copy something that is not in that location "/downloads/"
[01:34] <uncoolguy> ok
[01:34] <cath__> type cp --help for details on the command
[01:34] <uncoolguy> I'll figure it out
[01:34] <uncoolguy> thanks
[01:34] <runlevelten> !man
[01:34] <ubotu> The "man" command brings up the Linux manual pages for the command you're interested in. Try "man intro" at the command line, or see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UsingTheTerminal
[01:34] <drif> uncoolguy: do you have download directory at root level?
[01:37] <Azzco> Hwo do I play encrypted DVDs?
[01:38] <cath__> Azzco: medibuntu packages make it easier to install.  http://medibuntu.sos-sts.com
[01:39] <runlevelten> !dvd
[01:39] <ubotu> For playing DVD, see http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/video.html - "libdvdcss2" can be found at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages - Try k9copy (available in !Universe) for backing up DVDs
[01:40] <monteleo> Is there an easy way to install Compiz in Feisty?
[01:40] <Azzco> runlevelten: I've allready installed libdvdcss2 but I still get an error in kaffeine
[01:41] <cath__> Azzco: does kaffeine play any videos?
[01:42] <Azzco> cath__: yes most DVDs I have it's been able to play
[01:43] <Azzco> I get erros with libdvdread and libdvdnav in terminal though...
[01:43] <Azzco> Both installed
[01:43] <cath__> Azzco: you could try uninstalling libdvdcss2, then install from medibuntu packages
[01:43] <Azzco> I have it from medibuntu..
[01:43] <cath__> is this feisty?
[01:43] <Azzco> Yupp
[01:45] <pass> oh ye finally got my lm-sensors running
[01:46] <cath__> have you tried the seveas ones? the medibuntu one works perfectly for me, but it's probably at least worth trying the other
[01:46] <Azzco> cath__: Okay I'll get back in a sec then
[02:03] <nosrednaekim> how is everyone doing today?
[02:03] <sehe> absent?
[02:09] <mb9999> g'day, anybody here?
[02:10] <mb9999> Does anybody know how to set up a shared printer which is attached to a windows 98se box? Anybody?
[02:11] <uncoolguy> when I try and run a ./configure for my hda-intel card, it comes up with an error that the C Compiler cannot create executables, what do I do?
[02:11] <sehe> should be possible to browse for 'sambe' printer in 'kcmshell printers'
[02:12] <sehe> mb9999: or use settings:/Peripherals/
[02:12] <uncoolguy> I checked the .log file, and it almost seems like there isn't a compiler
[02:12] <sehe> samba*
[02:12] <mb9999> I'll give it a go, cheers
[02:12] <uncoolguy> ?
[02:12] <sehe> uncoolguy: be sure that you have all build dependecies? do you have build-essentials?
[02:13] <sehe> mb9999: maybe check that the printer is 'shared' on the win-box. Do you have filesharing working already?
[02:13] <uncoolguy> I have no idea, I was sent a link for comprehensive sound problems for intel cards
[02:13] <mb9999> apparently. I can see the share in the winbox, but not on the linux box
[02:13] <sehe> mb9999: ok, check that filesharing is enabled on the network adaptor
[02:14] <sehe> mb9999: (win box)
[02:14] <mb9999> It is
[02:14] <Azzco> cath__: No progress with the sevea package either (was helping a guy over MSN with something else)
[02:14] <sehe> uncoolguy: i tend to *not* follow links to 'comprehensive sound problems' :D
[02:14] <uncoolguy> started reading that and in there there's a link for alsa files, I was in process of installing drivers for that, but when I get to the command ./configure --with-cards=hda-intel --with-sequencer=yes ; make ; make install
[02:14] <uncoolguy> it comes up with that error
[02:14] <mb9999> I can browse the network share and printer share through the network settings on the win98 box, but when I try to see them on the other machine, no dice.
[02:15] <melomane> hi , how can i install nvidia driver?
[02:15] <uncoolguy> sehe: well it was cath__ that sent me the link
[02:15] <sehe> !nvidia | melomane
[02:15] <ubotu> melomane: To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[02:15] <sehe> uncoolguy: i was joking. it seemed you 'found' problems at the link :D
[02:16] <uncoolguy> right .....
[02:16] <uncoolguy> anywho
[02:16] <sehe> mb9999: looks a lot like (1) file sharing over TCP disabled (2) maybe firewall interfering
[02:16] <uncoolguy> I guess I don't understand what the problem is
[02:16] <sehe> mb9999: can you access the win-box at all from ubuntu?
[02:16] <uncoolguy> reading the log file is about as informative as the BOD in windows
[02:16] <mb9999> good question. I'll check the firewall settings
[02:16] <pass> !repeat repeat
[02:16] <nosrednaekim> uncoolguy: no compiler? run "sudo apt-get install build-essential"
[02:16] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about repeat repeat - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[02:17] <melomane> ubotu: i am new in kubuntu, ur link is for gnome not kde
[02:17] <uncoolguy> ok, I'll try that
[02:17] <uncoolguy> thanks
[02:17] <pass> !ubotu ubotu
[02:17] <ubotu> I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots
[02:17] <nosrednaekim> melomane: there are kubuntu instructions on there I believe.
[02:17] <uncoolguy> well it's installing something now, so maybe that will help
[02:17] <pass> !abuse ubotu
[02:17] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about abuse ubotu - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[02:17] <pass> !repeat | repeat
[02:17] <sehe> uncoolguy: ok as i don't know what problem you have been working on with cath__ i'll step back
[02:17] <ubotu> repeat: Don't feel ignored and repeat your question quickly; if nobody knows your answer, nobody will answer you. You can search https://help.ubuntu.com or http://wiki.ubuntu.com while you wait. Also see !patience
[02:18] <pass> !patience
[02:18] <ubotu> The people here are volunteers, your attitude may determine how fast you are helped.  Not everyone is available all the time, likewise not every answer is available instantly. See also http://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcGuidelines
[02:18] <sehe> pass what is your question, m8?
[02:18] <melomane> i dont have the pack of nvidia driber
[02:18] <sehe> !repositories | melomane
[02:18] <ubotu> melomane: The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[02:18] <pass> just messing around with the bot
[02:18] <uncoolguy> sehe: I appreciate your help. Thanks!
[02:18] <sehe> pass: please do that on pms (query the bot)
[02:19] <pass> !patience | sehe
[02:19] <ubotu> sehe: The people here are volunteers, your attitude may determine how fast you are helped.  Not everyone is available all the time, likewise not every answer is available instantly. See also http://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcGuidelines
[02:19] <pass> ok
[02:19] <mb9999> It was a firewall issue on the 98box. Thanks guys (I only have a couple of hours before I leave the country & leave my mum to kubuntu's tender mercies) Much thanks again!!
[02:19] <sehe> !info nvidia-kernel-common | melo
[02:19] <ubotu> melo: nvidia-kernel-common: NVIDIA binary kernel module common files. In component restricted, is optional. Version 20051028+1ubuntu7 (feisty), package size 5 kB, installed size 112 kB
[02:19] <pass> !pms
[02:19] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about pms - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[02:20] <pass> !private message
[02:20] <ubotu> Please ask your questions in the channel so that other people can also benefit. Please don't PM a user in the channel without asking first, some find it rude.
[02:20] <sehe> pass: /query ubotu
[02:20] <sehe> pass: you might need to register if you havent yet
[02:20] <sehe> !register | pass
[02:20] <ubotu> pass: Information about registering your Freenode nick is at http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#contents-userregistration
[02:20] <pass> thanks sehe
[02:20] <sehe> pass: anytime :D
[02:21] <nosrednaekim> :)
[02:21] <sehe> mb9999: good to hear
[02:23] <sehe> !info restricted-manager | melomane
[02:23] <ubotu> melomane: restricted-manager: manage non-free hardware drivers. In component main, is optional. Version 0.20 (feisty), package size 32 kB, installed size 300 kB
[02:24] <sehe> #off-topic: (in loving memory of pass) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Search?go=Go&search=pms
[02:25] <sehe> pmsL
[02:25] <nosrednaekim> pms means something other than PM's.....
[02:25] <sehe> nosrednaekim: that's why i sent ppl to the 'disambiguation' page :)
[02:25] <stdin> sehe: don't use away messages
[02:25] <nosrednaekim> :)
[02:26] <sehe> stdin: why - is that a policy?
[02:26] <stdin> yep
[02:26] <stdin> !away
[02:26] <ubotu> You should avoid changing your nick in a busy channel like #ubuntu - it causes unrequired scrolling which is unfair on new users. The same goes for using noisy away messages : use the command "/away <reason>" to set your client away silently - See also !Guidelines
[02:26] <sehe> stdin: ok didn know. i thought it rather spiffy :D otoh, i'm not really away now, am i
[02:27] <stdin> sehe: have a read of the guidelines page, it goes in to some (graphic) detail why away messages aren't good :)
[02:28] <sehe> stdin: never mind, i was convinced already
[02:30] <sehe> stdin: i can't find the option to disable away messages in konversation... any clue?
[02:30] <stdin> it's in your identity settings
[02:31] <sehe> thx
[02:33] <Delphinus> raid 1 question
[02:33] <Delphinus> 2 400g drives setup with raid1 using nvraid
[02:33] <sehe> Delphinus: software/hardware/ide?
[02:33] <Delphinus> fakeraid
[02:33] <sehe> ok
[02:33] <sehe> Delphinus: not much of an expert, but do ask :D
[02:33] <Delphinus> i've got win xp sucessfully installed
[02:34] <Delphinus> :D ty
[02:34] <sehe> Delphinus: on fakeraid? or beside it
[02:34] <Delphinus> using the nvidia drivers.... windows sees it as 1 drive
[02:34] <Delphinus> when i boot off kubuntu it see's 2 separate drives (due to fakeraid)
[02:34] <sehe> *huh* nvidia && raid [02:35] <Delphinus> how do I install kubuntu onto these drives as raid1
[02:35] <sehe> Delphinus: hang on
[02:35] <Delphinus> i've been reading heaps of tutorials, but they all just say install linux then blah blah with dmraid
[02:35] <Delphinus> sehe: ty
[02:35] <sehe> Delphinus: i'm looking for a tutorial i found on this (related?) for gentoo
[02:35] <Delphinus> cool
[02:36] <sehe> yeah it dmraid-based as well. no luck? dmraid -a no info?
[02:36] <Delphinus> no i haven't installed yet
[02:36] <Delphinus> i'm wondering do i just install on 1 drive
[02:36] <sehe> Delphinus: i think it is the way to go.
[02:36] <stdin> Delphinus: I found this if it helps: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FakeRaidHowto
[02:36] <Delphinus> or use software raid to clone linux stuff to both drives
[02:36] <Delphinus> and dmraid to access the fat partiitons
[02:37] <Delphinus> and will nvidia raid spit the dummy when I boot back into windows
[02:37] <sehe> Delphinus: dmraid should be able to 'detect' the raid-array and configyre software raid just like in windows
[02:37] <Delphinus> after installing linux in non raid mode?
[02:37] <sehe> Delphinus: don't - i repeat - don't install linux in non-raid
[02:37] <sehe> Delphinus: in fact, don
[02:37] <sehe> Delphinus: in fact, don't acces the drive in non-raid
[02:38] <Delphinus> what ya mean?
[02:38] <Delphinus> i guess other option is grab a 1gig usb stick, put that in and install boot stuff on that
[02:38] <Delphinus> and leave it in permanently
[02:38] <sehe> Delphinus: it is the same as raw partition access, but worse. It'll mitigate all benefits of raid in the first place, and has the potential to screw your drives
[02:39] <Delphinus> so... configure raid1 across both drives when doing install?
[02:39] <sehe> Delphinus: if the drive is raid, logically the 'single' physical drives are not valid volumes at all
[02:39] <sehe> Delphinus: is possible using dmraid (or similar). I'd have a look at the page that stdin sent
[02:39] <Delphinus> yup reading that
[02:40] <sehe> Delphinus: i'm not, but i expect that it explains how to install, configuring raid first
[02:40] <Delphinus> but it just says:
[02:40] <Delphinus> Install dmraid
[02:40] <Delphinus>     *
[02:40] <Delphinus>       Boot the Ubuntu CD and select Start or Install Ubuntu
[02:40] <Delphinus>     *
[02:40] <Delphinus>       Go to System > Administration > Software Sources and add the universe software repository.
[02:40] <sehe> Delphinus: prepare to do some grub-tuning as well (maybe need to create special stage 1.5 binaries to access the raid volume)
[02:40] <Delphinus> that seems to say that you do that at your GUI desktop after installing
[02:41] <sehe> Delphinus: just do it off the live cd. The live CD is (like the name implies) a live (k)ubuntu environment
[02:41] <Delphinus> oh so not the alternate?
[02:41] <sehe> Delphinus: so yes, a certain amount of double work is in order: first configure dmraid in the live CD to be able to install, then configure raid for grub to be able to boot the new install
[02:42] <Delphinus> righto
[02:42] <sehe> Delphinus: the alternate, probably. Follow the guide :D
[02:42] <sehe> Delphinus: it's like bootstrapping
[02:42] <Delphinus> least i'll learn lots ;)
[02:43] <sehe> Delphinus: If you had installed linux first using software raid, and tried to install XP later, it would have been the same but the other way round. (Apart from the fact that XP probably doesn't support taht)
[02:43] <ris> not sure about the tribe 5 kdm colour scheme
[02:43] <sehe> Delphinus: The simplest approach is (most often taken route) (1) intall on separate physical arrays/single drives
[02:44] <Delphinus> sehe: last comment you mean the 2 os's?
[02:44] <sehe> (2) install on *hardware* raid. Some forms of IDE-raid (with bios support) are supported on both  XP and linux
[02:44] <sehe> Delphinus: yes (the 2 os-es)
[02:45] <sehe> ris: i think we might miss the rest of a converstaion, or please state the question again
[02:45] <Delphinus> thankyou very much for your comments sehe, I'll see what happens :D
[02:46] <sehe> ris: btw, if you mean to discuss KDE-look in gutsy, see #ubuntu+1
[02:46] <sehe> Delphinus: well and good luck. You are in for a challenge
[02:46] <Delphinus> lol yup!
[02:46] <ris> sehe: excellent - didnt know about that channel
[02:46] <sehe> !on-topc | ris
[02:46] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about on-topc - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[02:47] <sehe> anytime, ris
[02:47] <valentin13> hey sehe
[02:47] <sehe> !on-topic | ris
[02:47] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about on-topic - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[02:47] <sehe> (i carnt bloddy type :D))
[02:47] <sehe> !off-topic | ris
[02:47] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about off-topic - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[02:47] <sehe> ok i quit... :D
[02:47] <valentin13> sehe give me french room
[02:49] <nosrednaekim> !fr
[02:49] <ubotu> Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.
[02:49] <sehe> !off-topic is <alias> offtopic
[02:51] <valentin13> this fucking french room is ded
[02:51] <valentin13> dead
[02:54] <nosrednaekim> !ohmy
[02:54] <ubotu> Please watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.
[02:54] <uncoolguy> ok, one more question ....
[02:55] <sehe> yup
[02:56] <uncoolguy> when running the ./configure for the alsa-lib, it gets all the way through until it gets to /usr/src/alsa/alsa-lib-1.0.14a/includ/sound .... then it comes up with a /bin/bash: ver.tmp: Permission denied and everything from there out has errors because of the permissions on that one file
[02:56] <uncoolguy> but I'm running it as root
[02:56] <Angelus> does kubuntu have a firewall?
[02:57] <sehe> Angelus: yes and no
[02:57] <stdin> !firewall | Angelus
[02:57] <ubotu> Angelus: Ubuntu, like any other linux distribution, has firewall capabilities built-in. The firewall is managed using the 'iptables' command (see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/IptablesHowTo), or GUI applications such as Firestarter (Gnome) or Guarddog (KDE).
[02:57] <Angelus> how can i disable it?
[02:57] <sehe> Angelus: yes, it has iptables support (kernel). No it is not 'configured' by ddefault (like on XP SP2+)
[02:57] <Angelus> it is enabled
[02:57] <Angelus> by default
[02:57] <stdin> Angelus: it does nothing by default
[02:57] <sehe> Angelus: nothing to disable. Unless you *enabled* it
[02:57] <Angelus> cause firefrost detected it
[02:57] <Angelus> :/
[02:57] <sehe> !find firewall
[02:57] <ubotu> Found: arno-iptables-firewall, kmyfirewall
[02:58] <Angelus> *frostwire
[02:58] <Angelus> detected it
[02:58] <sehe> Angelus: possibly your ISP?
[02:58] <stdin> Angelus: maybe it's detecting your router (if you have one)
[02:58] <sehe> Angelus: depending on your router :D
[02:58] <Angelus> ah
[02:58] <Angelus> i see
[02:58] <uncoolguy> why would I not have permissions on that directory? when running as root
[02:58] <Angelus> how can i disable the routers firewall O_o
[02:58] <Angelus> lol
[02:59] <Angelus> it doesn have an aoption for it :/
[02:59] <sehe> Angelus: any 'hop' to the internet may be responsible for some 'filtering'. Many ISPs do some protocol filtering on SMTP. Some even block direct internet access to yor port 25
[02:59] <stdin> Angelus: you generally can't, you'll have to do some port forwarding
[02:59] <sehe> Angelus: like I said, it could be the ISP. Nobody sais it *is* the router.
[02:59] <Angelus> oh
[02:59] <Angelus> i see
[03:00] <stdin> yeah, some ISPs just disable some ports altogether
[03:00] <Angelus> yeah but even torrents slowed down when i got the router
[03:00] <uncoolguy> are you referring to e-mail?
[03:00] <sehe> Angelus: do you know an internetbased port scanner? See e.g. http://grc.com (find 'shields-up')
[03:00] <nitesh> !register
[03:00] <ubotu> Information about registering your Freenode nick is at http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#contents-userregistration
[03:00] <sehe> Angelus: it should be clear from the ISPs tech details page though
[03:01] <sehe> Angelus: I use it to verify my 'exposure' sometimes.
[03:01] <uncoolguy> I work for the local ISP, and I know that we don't allow port forwarding
[03:01] <sehe> grc ^^
[03:01] <uncoolguy> I would assume most are like that
[03:01] <sehe> uncoolguy: what does an ISP mean by port forwarding?
[03:02] <sehe> uncoolguy: I think we (Angelus et al) are talking NAT from router to internal network host
[03:02] <Angelus> yeah
[03:02] <Angelus> when i hadn't the router i speeded up my torrents a bit
[03:02] <Angelus> but as soon as iv got the router
[03:02] <Angelus> the speed got down again
[03:02] <stdin> if an ISP doesn't let you forward ports from your own router, it's time for a new ISP :p
[03:03] <sehe> stdin: I don't see (in my DSL situation) how an ISP could prevent that.
[03:03] <Angelus> yeah
[03:03] <Angelus> an isp cant prevent you from forwarding ports on your own router
[03:03] <stdin> sehe: neither do I, unless the ISP provide the router and lock it down
[03:03] <sehe> stdin: the router would be horribly insecure if the ISP could see it's settings, and NAT is designed to be completely transparent, is it not?
[03:03] <Angelus> dough it can block the ports from their site
[03:03] <uncoolguy> well as far as what we filter it's going to be for email ..... so for example if you have email through sbcglobal and you're trying to sned email through our internet service, it won't allow it because you're still connecting through our service to somebody else's email service
[03:03] <sehe> stdin: just buy another router ($40?)
[03:04] <sehe> uncoolguy: well that's email routing. rather unrelated to IP routing
[03:04] <stdin> sehe: indeed, but I've heard of some where you have to use their provided hardware
[03:04] <uncoolguy> I thought we were talking email?
[03:04] <sehe> stdin: *shock*
[03:04] <uncoolguy> my mistake
[03:04] <sehe> uncoolguy: no problem
[03:05] <uncoolguy> trying to get techs to go check on this FAA circuit before I get another call on it
[03:05] <uncoolguy> funny how the FAA thinks they're more important than everybody else isn't it? :P
[03:05] <uncoolguy> haha
[03:05] <sehe> Angelus: but to get back to business. Can you think of any appliance that would cause traffic to be filtered?
[03:05] <Angelus> hmm
[03:05] <Angelus> no
[03:05] <Angelus> :S
[03:05] <Angelus> i think my isp filters everything
[03:05] <Angelus> lol
[03:06] <sehe> Angelus: nah not likely. YOu wouldn't have much fun of internet then :D
[03:06] <sehe> Angelus: for one thing, IRC works
[03:06] <Angelus> well
[03:06] <stdin> some ISP don't block things like torrents, but they do throttle it
[03:07] <sehe> Angelus: Also, torrents are 'unique' in the sense that you'll have to allow inbound traffic. I have had to configure a maaping (NAT) in my router to enable torrent from my laptop:
[03:07] <Angelus> how can i do that?
[03:08] <BluesKaj> Howdy All :>)
[03:08] <sehe> I was looking for my config, but it's gone (don't use torrents too often). Also, modern appliances might automatically create temporary NAT mappings (using uPNP)
[03:09] <sehe> Angelus: what ports seems to be blocked, btw?
[03:09] <Angelus> i dont have blocked ports
[03:09] <Angelus> its a matter of speed
[03:09] <Angelus> :/
[03:10] <Angelus> the torrents slowed down as hell
[03:10] <Angelus> like 10kB/s
[03:10] <sehe> ok you mentioned frostwire reported 'stuff'. What is the stuff?
[03:10] <Angelus> ah
[03:10] <Angelus> it detected a firewall
[03:10] <sehe> !info frostwire | sehe
[03:10] <Angelus> but the most i mworried about is torrents
[03:10] <sehe> Angelus: Ic , frostwire is the torrent client, and it says it detects a firewall
[03:10] <Angelus> i use torrents alot
[03:10] <Angelus> no
[03:11] <sehe> Angelus: It means, it detects a router and missing NAT mappings :)
[03:11] <Angelus> i dont use frostwire for torrents
[03:11] <Angelus> i use to download songs
[03:11] <Angelus> for torrents i use Utorrent
[03:11] <Angelus> the windows one
[03:11] <Angelus> ;p
[03:12] <stdin> just a reminder: technical support on torrent software is aloud, discussion of it's less than legal uses is not
[03:12] <sehe> Angelus: so... what is forstwire
[03:12] <sehe> aloud = allowed ? :D
[03:12] <stdin> sehe: yeah :P, too many thing happening in too many channels :p
[03:12] <sehe> Angelus: i carnt find a package for it
[03:13] <Angelus> for what sehe?
[03:13] <sehe> Angelus: to get info. The bot didn have any
[03:13] <Angelus> for frostwire or utorrent?
[03:13] <BluesKaj> sehe , you have to port map TCP port number on the router listed in the torrent client download section , for example ktorrent uses 6881 as the std TCP port and it listens for trackers on 4444 UDP port
[03:13] <sehe> !find frostwire
[03:13] <Angelus> hmm
[03:13] <ubotu> Package/file frostwire does not exist in feisty
[03:13] <stdin> !frostwire
[03:13] <ubotu> frostwire is a totally open source version of Limewire.  For installation help, please see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FrostWire
[03:13] <Angelus> i didnt install it from the package manager
[03:13] <Angelus> i usually install things from their site
[03:13] <sehe> Angelus: that settles the matter:) Tx
[03:13] <BluesKaj> frostwire is a terrible client
[03:14] <Angelus> what settles the matter?
[03:14] <Angelus> :o
[03:14] <sehe> Angelus: so, I'd refer you to the Limewire FAQ
[03:14] <Angelus> sehe:
[03:14] <Angelus> lol
[03:14] <Angelus> you're not understanding me
[03:14] <sehe> Angelus: ^^^ for info that settles my grey matter
[03:14] <sehe> Angelus: I'm following your own clue that 'frostwire detects a firewall'
[03:14] <Angelus> i dont want help on frotwire , i just named frostwire to tell you that im firewalled, what i need help on is torrents, because they're downloading hell of slowly
[03:14] <Angelus> :p
[03:15] <sehe> Angelus: if the clue is irrelevant, please let me know why
[03:15] <sehe> Angelus: like i hinted above, don't assume 'you must be firewalled' because some bloddy app cannot detect your routing config :D
[03:15] <Angelus> understood?
[03:15] <Angelus> yeah but the question is
[03:15] <Angelus> why are my torrents downloading slow?
[03:15] <stdin> Angelus: it could be your ISP throttling you torrent downloads, a lot do that.
[03:16] <Angelus> i fawarded the port of uTorrent program
[03:16] <sehe> Angelus: i ment to suggest that the message only indicates that you have some NAT to configure on your router
[03:16] <Angelus> not really
[03:16] <sehe> Angelus: using the router?
[03:16] <Angelus> i think its all from the router
[03:16] <Angelus> cause they slowed down after iv go the router
[03:16] <Angelus> :/
[03:16] <sehe> Angelus: only one way to find out, really... Eliminate the router and compare
[03:17] <Angelus> they used to be slow before because i had too much upload, but then i reduced upload nad they got fast, but after i installed the router they got slow again
[03:17] <sehe> Angelus: not likely that the ubuntu box has a firewall issue unless YOU configured one :D
[03:17] <Angelus> i dont think it matters if im downloading torrents from a windows program on linux i think ey?
[03:18] <Angelus> i wined it
[03:18] <Angelus> but on their site it says it compatable with wine
[03:18] <sehe> wining never helps (much like whining lol)
[03:18] <Angelus> lol
[03:18] <sehe> Angelus: compatible doesn't imply anything on performance, imho
[03:18] <BluesKaj> utorrent works well on wine , but why bother ktorrent is better IMO
[03:19] <sehe> BluesKaj: i think that is not the point. A lot of torrent clients are better!
[03:19] <Angelus> you think it could be because im using utorrent?
[03:19] <Angelus> u torrent rocks
[03:19] <ubuntu_> oi
[03:19] <BluesKaj> utorrent is great on windows , yeah ...ktorrent is better on kubuntu
[03:19] <Angelus> why is it better?
[03:20] <BluesKaj> less ahssle
[03:20] <Angelus> if it works fine on wine :S
[03:20] <BluesKaj> hassle
[03:20] <ubuntu_> hehe
[03:20] <BluesKaj> well fine use wine  :)
[03:20] <Angelus> so you think ktorrent will work better
[03:20] <Angelus> ?
[03:20] <Angelus> if yes, i'll use np
[03:21] <sehe> I use bittornado :D Runs in a screen session on my router box. No problems, I can just shut down my desktop and go to bed
[03:21] <BluesKaj> why are you bothering with kubuntu if you won'y use it's apps , Angelus
[03:21] <Angelus> O_O
[03:21] <Angelus> i use its apps BluesKaj :S
[03:21] <BluesKaj> do ya miss windows that much ?
[03:21] <sehe> BluesKaj: no need to escalate / generalize?
[03:21] <Angelus> no BluesKaj
[03:21] <Angelus> its only 1 application i use
[03:21] <Angelus> only utorrent
[03:21] <Angelus> the rest everything from kubuntu's
[03:21] <Angelus> :S
[03:21] <sehe> BluesKaj: ow come on, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Search?go=Go&search=AdHominem
[03:22] <BluesKaj> well then , have fun
[03:22] <Angelus> BluesKaj: relax dude
[03:22] <Angelus> :o
[03:22] <Angelus> im not shotting you with a 9mm
[03:22] <Angelus> i just wanted and advice
[03:22] <Angelus> :/
[03:22] <sehe> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Search?go=Go&search=Ad_hominem
[03:22] <Angelus> lol
[03:23] <sehe> Angelus: well, you got advice already
[03:23] <Angelus> not about ktorrent
[03:23] <Angelus> cause as soon as i asked
[03:23] <valentin13> i have some proble
[03:23] <Angelus> he nealry kllled meh
[03:23] <Angelus> :/
[03:23] <sehe> Angelus: minor point, ain't it
[03:23] <valentin13> probleme
[03:23] <Angelus> lol
[03:23] <Angelus> sehe: should i start using ktorrent ?
[03:23] <Angelus> and remove utorrent?
[03:23] <Angelus> does it work better?
[03:23] <sehe> Angelus: well... i do feel you exaggerate... and I stood up, didn I LOLOL
[03:23] <Angelus> could it be the matter of slow torrents?
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[03:24] <Angelus> lol!
[03:24] <sehe> Angelus: yes and no: Ktorrent might just be smarter about routing (try it?)
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[03:24] <Angelus> ah ok
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[03:24] <Angelus> i'll give a try tonight then
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[03:24] <Angelus> :p
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[03:24] <valentin13> my beryl is not working
[03:24] <sehe> stdin: LOL I have valentin13 on my ignore list for a day now
[03:24] <marcus_> hi all, does anyone know of linuXexploit_crew and damage they may cause?
[03:24] <stdin> valentin13: use the pastebin to paste large posts
[03:24] <Angelus> cause i can only download torrents after 23:00 sehe
[03:25] <valentin13> sehe behave kid head
[03:25] <Angelus> cause my isp have a limit, 12GB per 30 days, if i go over that my connection gets monitored
[03:25] <valentin13> i am not your best friend
[03:25] <Angelus> but the limit doesnt count beetween 23:00 and 07:00
[03:25] <sehe> Angelus: nice. rush hour :)
[03:26] <Angelus> i wish i could download 24hours
[03:26] <Angelus> lol
[03:26] <sehe> marcus_: sounds horrific :) doesn't ring a bell
[03:26] <sehe> Angelus: you can - it'll probably cost a bit more I hope
[03:26] <BluesKaj> Angelus & sehe , I was pointing out that ktorrent is superior to utorrent on Kubuntu ..and we encourage ppl here to use Linux applications when possibble ...we don't encourage using windows apps despite the fact that wine is available
[03:26] <marcus_> mmmm put the wind up me, some vandals from brazil
[03:27] <sehe> marcus_: I'm sorry, that is gibberish to me
[03:27] <Angelus> BluesKaj:  i know dude, but you were like getting emotional about it
[03:27] <Angelus> :/
[03:27] <MilhousePunkRock> sehe: Pinning cdparanoia was a piece of cake with the wiki article you (?) linked me...
[03:27] <marcus_> put the wind up me ( australian for scared me a lot)
[03:27] <BluesKaj> oh really Angelus , are you a psychiatrist ?
[03:27] <sehe> BluesKaj: And I think the more relevant point is that we were investigating performance; the tools are a given.
[03:28] <sehe> marcus_: ah sure... i'm Dutch you know :D
[03:28] <Angelus> no BluesKaj lol
[03:28] <marcus_> lol
[03:28] <Angelus> doesn't matter , you got mad at me :/
[03:28] <sehe> Angelus: you don't know that, because you'd have to be psychic then
[03:28] <marcus_> p'raps I should be asking an ubuntu crew, even though i use kubuntu
[03:29] <BluesKaj> mad? , just giving advice
[03:29] <Angelus> you were like "do miss that windows so much ? then have fun with it!!"
[03:29] <Angelus> O_O
[03:29] <Angelus> thats givint advive?
[03:29] <Angelus> :o
[03:29] <Angelus> *advice
[03:29] <sehe> Angelus: BluesKaj: it is obvious that words have been misinterpreted,. The truth is in the middle. Drop it?
[03:29] <valentin13> glxinfo | grep "direct rendering"
[03:29] <valentin13> direct rendering: Yes
[03:29] <marcus_> sehew, I need to find the file that the logs of attempted passwords are filed
[03:29] <sehe> (*** or perhaps research the usage of /query... ***)
[03:30] <Angelus> ok  ok
[03:30] <custardspewer> hello, how to install fusion-icon in kubuntu
[03:30] <sehe> marcus_: you cannot see  the attempted passwords themselves (for obvious security reasons)
[03:30] <sehe> marcus_:  but the auth log is in /var/log/auth.log
[03:30] <valentin13> glxgears
[03:30] <sehe> Cheers everyone, I'm having one myself
[03:30] <marcus_> sehe, yes, but I am wondering about floods filling my hdd
[03:31] <marcus_> ty m8
[03:31] <valentin13> sehe is a virtual computer or an humans
[03:31] <sehe> marcus_: floods? you mean something is physically filling the drive space?
[03:31] <marcus_> this is my fear after google searching this group of nasties
[03:31] <sehe> marcus_: use any 'du' - like tool to see *where* it accumulating (sudo du -sh /*)
[03:32] <marcus_> ty, I shall return
[03:32] <sehe> marcus_: or use kdirstat
[03:32] <sehe> !info kdirstat | marcus_
[03:32] <ubotu> marcus_: kdirstat: graphical disk usage display with cleanup facilities. In component universe, is optional. Version 2.4.4-3 (feisty), package size 272 kB, installed size 880 kB
[03:32] <marcus_> brilliant thank you, I now have a lead
[03:32] <sehe> marcus_: once you find the file(s)/dir(s), you can find the process responsible using 'lsof'
[03:32] <Angelus> sehe: if i use ktorrent, will i be able to continue downloading my torrents from when utorrent left? or i have to start over:/ ?
[03:33] <sehe> Angelus: i suppose so. torrent is quite an open 'protocol'
[03:33] <stdin> Angelus: ktorrent can import partially complete downloads
[03:33] <Angelus> ah ok
[03:33] <Angelus> good
[03:33] <sehe> Angelus: just try it on a backup copy of the torrent dir :D
[03:34] <sehe> marcus_: on another note, how do you suspect 'intruders' are coming in?
[03:35] <Angelus> sehe im gona jump to something else, i wanna copy a dvd with AVI files, what type of project should i choose from K3B?
[03:35] <marcus_> sehe I was researching a chinese classic book, and I recieved a black page saying I had been hacked by this group
[03:36] <sehe> !find k9 | Angelus
[03:36] <ubotu> angelus: Found: libpisock9, k9copy, libmagick9, libmagick9-dev
[03:36] <sehe> k9copy should do the job i think
[03:36] <Angelus> k9copy is for ISO
[03:36] <Angelus> :/
[03:36] <Angelus> they are AVI Files
[03:36] <Angelus> im trying to copy a series
[03:36] <sehe> Angelus: really... that's not what i remember
[03:36] <Angelus> Digimon Season 1
[03:36] <Angelus> :p
[03:36] <sehe> !info k9copy | sehe
[03:36] <stdin> Angelus: devede can turn avi in to a dvd
[03:37] <Angelus> sehe: and its not 1 avi file, they are an avi file every episode
[03:37] <Angelus> so i must burn multiple avi's on 1 dvd
[03:37] <Angelus> is it a data project?
[03:38] <sehe> sry, i have to throw in the towel here :) (I don't burn, i'll have plenty time for that after i die)
[03:38] <BluesKaj> !tovid
[03:38] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about tovid - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[03:38] <kondeDrakul> anyone know if i can share 2 pc with usb cable ?
[03:38] <Angelus> ok
[03:39] <Angelus> gonna ask my fathr
[03:39] <BluesKaj> Tovid is worth checking out for transcoding avi to dvd
[03:40] <marcus_> sehe, I have forgotten how to use irc properly, but I was taken to a web page which is accessable through google search, saying linuXploit_crew had hacked my system
[03:41] <sehe> marcus_:  ok... unknown to me, and google doesn't know it either
[03:42] <sehe> kondeDrakul: in principle yes. It is not too common
[03:42] <sparr> my tablet PC has a serial connection for its wacom tablet screen that Just Works thanks to wacomdrv and discover(?) voodoo.  but it stops working when the computer hibernates (suspend to disk?).  i am hoping this can be fixed by re-initializing the serial connection.  any ideas or suggestions?
[03:42] <sehe> kondeDrakul: perhaps try to google for 'usb null-modem'
[03:42] <kondeDrakul> sehe , what is null- modem?
[03:42] <Angelus> sehe: do you know a program that is able to convert from avi to mpeg2?
[03:42] <urli> hola
[03:42] <sehe> kondeDrakul: it is what you wnat
[03:42] <sehe> kondeDrakul: it is what you want
[03:42] <urli> alguien habla espalol
[03:42] <sehe> kondeDrakul: it is a direct serial link
[03:42] <sehe> !es
[03:42] <ubotu> Si busca ayuda en Espaol por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendr mas ayuda.
[03:43] <kondeDrakul> sehe ok
[03:43] <sehe> Angelus: not directly. I'd have to search
[03:43] <Angelus> hm
[03:43] <Angelus> maybe nero linux
[03:43] <sehe> Angelus: ok now you are inviting BluesKaj to jump on you (rightfully this time)
[03:43] <Angelus> lol
[03:43] <Angelus> why ?
[03:43] <Angelus> O_o
[03:44] <Angelus> nero linux is for linux
[03:44] <marcus_> sehe, if I gavve you the url, would you be interested in giving me your opinion?
[03:44] <Angelus> not a windows app
[03:44] <Angelus> :o
[03:44] <stdin> Angelus: nero for linux is poor quality and has few features at all
[03:44] <Angelus> oh
[03:44] <Angelus> i see
[03:44] <sehe> it is a very weird suggestion showing that you don't appreciate the vast availability of higher qualitity tools in linux *especially* on encoding, recoding, decoding and ripping
[03:45] <sehe> Angelus: *i know it's not a win app* it just shows a non-gnu, non-kde background :D
[03:45] <Angelus> sehe: is just that i dont know of any other tools then k9copy and k3b
[03:45] <Angelus> :S
[03:45] <sparr> Angelus: mplayer/mencoder
[03:45] <sehe> Angelus: i'd just sit down and search synaptic for 'avi', 'mpeg' en 'recode'
[03:45] <Angelus> ok
[03:45] <Angelus> lol
[03:45] <stdin> s/synaptic/adept/
[03:46] <BluesKaj> Angelus , check out " Tovid "...it has both cli and gui capabilities and works very well.
[03:46] <Angelus> ok thanks BluesKaj
[03:46] <Angelus> :p
[03:46] <custardspewer> hello, how to install fusion-icon in kubuntu
[03:46] <sehe> stdin: i'm suggesing synaptics because it will find more packages? (not too sure)
[03:46] <urli> hola
[03:46] <urli> como estan todos
[03:46] <stdin> sehe: no
[03:46] <urli> alguien habla espaol
[03:47] <sehe> !es
[03:47] <ubotu> Si busca ayuda en Espaol por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendr mas ayuda.
[03:47] <sehe> stdin: ok i must have misinterpreted my first experiences (first day of ubuntu :D))
[03:47] <sparr> can kde shade a window, unshade it on hover, and *NOT* re-shade it when i click something in the window?
[03:47] <stdin> sehe: they both search the same repositories
[03:48] <elpez> hello... how do i know which is my current kde version?
[03:48] <BluesKaj> Angelus, there's tovid chat on freenode as well , altho not always full of ppl they are very helpful if you can catch them :)
[03:48] <stdin> elpez: open any KDE app, Help > About KDE
[03:48] <elpez> thanx
[03:49] <GoodHabit> Hello. I need a help. I have internet vith PPTP VPN. I have cofigured in terminal, but looking for GUI for VPN. I found KVPNC, it works, but only latest version of offsite. Where can i get a package or can somebody cr8 it from sources? Help please.
[03:49] <marcus_> sehe ;  ht*p:/www.swop4g.org/ is the page concerned, I would value your opinion
[03:49] <Angelus> hope its not big
[03:49] <Angelus> cause there's only source code
[03:49] <Angelus> and my pc compiles slow
[03:50] <marcus_> oops http:/w*w.swop4g.org/
[03:51] <sehe> marcus_: i c. the page is there... when do you get it?
[03:51] <marcus_> this afternoon, about 8 hours ago
[03:52] <marcus_> was searching info about a book
[03:52] <sehe> marcus_: what was the action that brought the page?
[03:52] <sehe> ok. in google web search or ?
[03:52] <marcus_> I was searching fo a classic chinese book
[03:52] <marcus_> yes
[03:52] <marcus_> google
[03:52] <sehe> ok - this probably *does* mean that someone has been hacked, but most likely *not you*
[03:53] <sehe> It is likely that you clicked a google result, that sent you to a website, that has been hacked
[03:53] <marcus_> mmm this is good news for me, do you mean that if I was hacked i would not have been presented with the page?
[03:54] <sehe> marcus_: no, i just mean that the page is not on your machine (i can access it), so there is reason (imho) to assume that something *on your system* must have sent you there
[03:54] <sehe> marcus_: if some website sends you there, it'll just be *shown* in the browser, no harm done
[03:55] <marcus_> thank you sehe, and I am pleased to have met you and visited this room for the first time, I shall come again and look forward to saying hi once again, peace and good will to you m8 :-)
[03:56] <sehe> marcus_: anytime
[03:56] <marcus_> :-) b4n
[03:56] <BluesKaj> marcus_,that site looks like a sick joke , to get google users worried
[03:57] <sehe> BluesKaj: I'd be worried if that page replaced my homepage LOL
[03:57] <BluesKaj> no kidding
[03:58] <BluesKaj> prolly some antilinux MS windows guys :)
[03:59] <sehe> BluesKaj: dunno, don't see much reason to conclude that. For once we don't know the exact chain of links that led to the page.
[03:59] <sehe> BluesKaj: It is very possible that some person's linux-hosted website *got* compromised, and redirects to the page
[04:00] <sehe> BluesKaj: the page (seemingly) being in it's own domain bodes badly for the attack-strength
[04:00] <BluesKaj> pretty simple html page , no links
[04:01] <sehe> BluesKaj: You cannot see *what* redirected to that URL and *how*
[04:01] <sehe> BluesKaj: no-one can rule out a hacked (win/linux hosted) website in the chain of links
[04:02] <sehe> BluesKaj: ironically you'd have to hack into swop4g.org's webserver and inspect the log for reerrers hahahah
[04:02] <sehe> BluesKaj: indulge me
[04:02] <BluesKaj> prolly a google hackjob
[04:03] <sehe> BluesKaj: or a prank, like you said - seems if it is a google-ranking-hack that google removed it from the index, as googling for linuXexploit_crew returns nil
[04:03] <sehe> k guys, my daughter is awake, some nontech attention required
[04:03] <sehe> cya around
[04:04] <BluesKaj> there's a  script that will redirect searches after certain keywords are entered , bringing pages such as that one to the top of googles list
[04:04] <marcus_> lol, I thought I had left this room, but am glad to see your follow up opinions...
[04:04] <marcus_> ty
[04:04] <marcus_> byby sehe
[04:04] <sehe> marcus_: see you next time
[04:04] <marcus_> thank you BluesKaj
[04:05] <marcus_> I feel relieved
[04:05] <marcus_> all the best from perth australia to you BluesKaj
[04:05] <marcus_> by 4 now
[04:05] <BluesKaj> well, we have to be vigilant marcus_
[04:05] <marcus_> surely
[04:06] <marcus_> :-)
[04:06] <BluesKaj> bye from Ontario Canada
[04:06] <marcus_> be well, and thank you once more :-)
[04:06] <marcus_> q
[04:06] <BluesKaj> have a good evening :)
[04:07] <nosrednaekim> BluesKaj: Ontario is a city? I thought it was a province
[04:07] <GoodHabit> Can somebody tell me how to install compiz-fusion on kubuntu? is it possible?
[04:07] <marcus_> forgotten irc... lol anyhow bye all... I shall, and you also
[04:07] <nosrednaekim> GoodHabit: yep, its possible.
[04:07] <nosrednaekim> !compiz
[04:07] <ubotu> Compiz (compositing window manager) and XGL (X server architecture layered on top of OpenGL) - Howto at http://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager - Help in #ubuntu-effects
[04:07] <BluesKaj> yup, it is a prov , small town you prolly never heard of in onta rio
[04:07] <stdin> GoodHabit: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/CompizFusion
[04:11] <GoodHabit> Where i can find right config for nvidia, with enabled various options?
[04:11] <GoodHabit> Xorg.conf i mean.
[04:12] <Angelus> tmp/ccAcQwBL.s: Assembler messages:
[04:12] <Angelus> /tmp/ccAcQwBL.s:59: Error: suffix or operands invalid for `ldmxcsr'
[04:12] <Angelus> 
[04:12] <Angelus> whats this error?
[04:13] <nosrednaekim> GoodHabit: #ubuntu-effects
[04:27] <MarkC> how do you change the kmenu icon?
[04:28] <MilhousePunkRock> MarkC: Replace the icon in /usr/share/icons/default.kde/<needed size>/kmenu.png
[04:29] <MarkC> thanks.
[04:29] <MilhousePunkRock> MarkC: And watch the permissions, needs to be readable for everyon
[04:40] <ricardo> hi
[04:40] <ricardo> i really need help
[04:41] <nosrednaekim> ask away
[04:41] <ricardo> i installe kubuntu yesterday, and cuz im kinda curios i started to see the partition configuration
[04:41] <ricardo> and i cant access a partition that is really important to me
[04:42] <ricardo> i tried to fix it, but it say that i cant use that partition point, or things like that
[04:42] <nosrednaekim> ricardo: ok, is this a windows partition?
[04:42] <ricardo> yes..its a ntfs
[04:43] <nosrednaekim> ricardo: and you can't see it when you browse in konqueror to "/media"?
[04:44] <ricardo> i can, but i cant access to it, and it looks like a disk but without the green thing and i cant mount it
[04:45] <ricardo> when i tried to mount it appear a box saying mount: el dispositivo especial /dev/disk/by-label/sda1 no existe
[04:46] <rafel> hallo ricardo
[04:46] <nosrednaekim> ricardo: try this run "kdesu konqueror" and then go to /media and try to mount it
[04:46] <nosrednaekim> ricardo: excuse me, but what does "dispositivo" mean?
[04:46] <nosrednaekim> I got the rest of the error
[04:47] <stdin> nosrednaekim: device
[04:48] <ricardo> its working thanks ... thanks so much....its mean a lot to me...my work its there.
[04:48] <ricardo> thanks
[04:48] <ricardo> but i have to do it everytime i start the pc?
[04:49] <nosrednaekim> ricardo: you just ran that konqueror as root user... onl he has permissions to that device.
[04:49] <nosrednaekim> ricardo: also notice that you cannot write to that partitions
[04:49] <MilhousePunkRock> ricardo: Check the fstab entry for the windows drive...
[04:50] <MilhousePunkRock> !ntfs3g | ricardo
[04:50] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ntfs3g - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:50] <MilhousePunkRock> !ntfs | ricardo
[04:50] <ubotu> ricardo: To view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions . For write access see !ntfs-3g or !fuse
[04:50] <ricardo> yes i cant write on them
[04:50] <MilhousePunkRock> !ntfs-3g | ricardo
[04:50] <ubotu> ricardo: ntfs-3g is a Linux driver which allows read/write access to NTFS partitions. Installation instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MountingWindowsPartitions
[04:50] <stdin> !ntfs-3g
[04:51] <ricardo> i tried to install ntfs 3g but i cant cuz i dont have some libraries, im new on kubuntu
[04:51] <stdin> ricardo: you install it with adept
[04:51] <MilhousePunkRock> ricardo: That is some reading to do, but in the end, your windows partition will just be another folder...
[04:52] <ricardo> yes i use adep and konsole to install it
[04:53] <milosmaric> hi, how can I upgrade from Edgy to Feity from DVD?
[04:53] <MilhousePunkRock> stdin: Does ntfs-3g depend on something from multiverse?
[04:53] <milosmaric> I have slow internet conection, so i can't download more than few MB
[04:53] <MilhousePunkRock> milosmaric: I think if you boot from the DVD, one of the options is upgrade system
[04:54] <stdin> MilhousePunkRock: I don't think so
[04:54] <stdin> MilhousePunkRock: or else it wouldn't be in main
[04:54] <milosmaric> I've tried it, but it gives me only the option to instal whole sistem
[04:54] <MilhousePunkRock> stdin: Why would ricardo fail to install it then?
[04:55] <stdin> MilhousePunkRock: without the apt-get/dpkg output I can't say
[04:55] <MilhousePunkRock> milosmaric: Else you can add the DVD to your sources.list and do "sudo apt-get dist-upgrade" I think
[04:55] <sparr> i think i have finally found my first preference for gnome over kde...  accessibility options, vis a vis on screen keyboard, are much more available
[04:55] <ricardo> so what cant i do?
[04:56] <stdin> milosmaric: you put the DVD in and mount it, then do: kdesu sh /cdrom/cdromupgrade
[04:56] <stdin> milosmaric: actually it needs to be gksu, so you need to install that
[04:56] <ricardo> yes gnome is more easy to use
[04:57] <nosrednaekim> sparr: there is a kde keyboard for that... forget what its called
[04:58] <nosrednaekim> ricardo: do you want write ability to that partition?
[04:59] <hambobo> how do i delete ubuntu from my computer
[04:59] <sparr> nosrednaekim: i cant find it, either
[04:59] <sparr> nosrednaekim: best ive found is xvkbd
[05:00] <ricardo> it would be great cuz its a big partition and have a lot of free space
[05:00] <nosrednaekim> sparr: that may be it...
[05:00] <nosrednaekim> ricardo: hmm ok. you id try to install ntfs=-3g right?
[05:00] <ricardo> yes
[05:01] <nosrednaekim> did you try to follow any tutorial?
[05:02] <ricardo> yes forma  page that i found on google and from ubuntu page...but it still saying that i dont have some libraries
[05:02] <ricardo> maybe if i install the libraries but i dont know where to find it to install them
[05:03] <nosrednaekim> ricardo: you are running 7.04 right?
[05:03] <ricardo> yes 7.04
[05:03] <Arwen> isn't that just apt-get install ntfs-3g?
[05:05] <raylu> ricardo, what are you trying to do?
[05:05] <martijn81> kai!
[05:05] <milosmaric> stdin: when I enter that (with correct patf to DVD) i get this message:
[05:06] <milosmaric> X Error: BadDevice, invalid or uninitialized input device 154
[05:06] <milosmaric>   Major opcode:  143
[05:06] <milosmaric>   Minor opcode:  3
[05:06] <milosmaric>   Resource id:  0x0
[05:06] <nosrednaekim> !paste
[05:06] <milosmaric> Failed to open device
[05:06] <raylu> don't worry about that, milosmaric
[05:06] <nosrednaekim> !x error
[05:06] <milosmaric> X Error: BadDevice, invalid or uninitialized input device 154
[05:06] <milosmaric>   Major opcode:  143
[05:06] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[05:06] <milosmaric>   Minor opcode:  3
[05:06] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about x error - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:06] <milosmaric>   Resource id:  0x0
[05:06] <nosrednaekim> ricardo: when does it report the missing libraries?
[05:06] <milosmaric> Failed to open device
[05:06] <milosmaric> can't load DistUpgradeViewGtk (No module named pygtk)
[05:06] <milosmaric> X Error: BadDevice, invalid or uninitialized input device 154
[05:06] <milosmaric>   Major opcode:  143
[05:06] <ricardo> this
[05:07] <milosmaric>   Minor opcode:  3
[05:07] <stdin> !paste | milosmaric
[05:07] <ubotu> milosmaric: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[05:07] <milosmaric>   Resource id:  0x0
[05:07] <milosmaric> Failed to open device
[05:07] <milosmaric> X Error: BadDevice, invalid or uninitialized input device 154
[05:07] <milosmaric>   Major opcode:  143
[05:07] <milosmaric>   Minor opcode:  3
[05:07] <milosmaric>   Resource id:  0x0
[05:07] <milosmaric> Failed to open device
[05:07] <milosmaric> stdin: when I enter that (with correct patf to DVD) i get this message:
[05:07] <martijn81> !pastebin | milosmaric
[05:07] <ricardo> Creando rbol de dependencias
[05:07] <ricardo> Leyendo informacin de estado... Hecho
[05:07] <ricardo> Tal vez quiera ejecutar `apt-get -f install' para corregirlo:
[05:07] <ricardo> Los siguientes paquetes tienen dependencias incumplidas:
[05:07] <ricardo>   j2re1.4-mozilla-plugin: Depende: j2re1.4 pero no va a instalarse
[05:07] <ricardo>   odesk: Depende: libssl0.9.7 pero no va a instalarse
[05:07] <ricardo> E: Dependencias incumplidas. Intente 'apt-get -f install' sin paquetes (o especifique una solucin).
[05:07] <milosmaric> stdin, raylu: yes, but program won't start
[05:07] <milosmaric> stdin: when I enter that (with correct patf to DVD) i get this message:
[05:07] <raylu> ...
[05:07] <martijn81> !pastebin | ricardo
[05:07] <ubotu> ricardo: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[05:07] <milosmaric> vrong message :)
[05:07] <nosrednaekim> ricardo: ok, do you have all your repositories enabled?
[05:08] <stdin> milosmaric: do not paste large posts here
[05:08] <raylu> milosmaric, what command are you using?
[05:08] <ricardo> i dont know...how i can see that?
[05:08] <milosmaric> raylu: gksu sh /media/cdrom0/cdromupgrade
[05:08] <nosrednaekim> ricardo: open up adept_manager-> adept->manage repositories
[05:09] <raylu> hrm; afk, sorry :P no idea what's wrong
[05:09] <milosmaric> stdin, raylu: after that command I get that large message, and program won't start
[05:09] <hambobo> how do i remove ubuntu (can question mark..)
[05:09] <stdin> milosmaric: apparently you need "python-gtk2" too
[05:10] <milosmaric> stdin: ok, i'll instal it
[05:10] <ricardo> i will restart my pc cuz its slow...and my connection star to fail..ill be back in 5 min
[05:10] <nosrednaekim> ok
[05:11] <hambobo> how do i remove ubuntu
[05:11] <nosrednaekim> hambobo: just don't use it :)
[05:12] <hambobo> my parent dunno how to select window xp
[05:12] <nosrednaekim> hambobo: oh.. you want to restore the windows bootloader?
[05:12] <hambobo> i guess
[05:13] <stdin> kai: having connection issues ?
[05:13] <malcolmb> anyone know how I can change my system tray from displaying a single row of items to the way the quick launcher displays them?
[05:14] <nosrednaekim> hambobo: can you get into windows?
[05:14] <hambobo> yea but i dont like the automatic boot of ubuntu
[05:14] <nosrednaekim> malcolmb: make the panel just a little bit higher I think.
[05:14] <nosrednaekim> hambobo: oh.. it doesn't show you an option to get into windows?
[05:15] <hambobo> it does
[05:15] <malcolmb> nosrednaekim: thanks'
[05:16] <milosmaric> stdin: I again got the same message
[05:16] <nosrednaekim> hambobo: ok... so you want it to automatically boot windows instead? and give an option for ubuntu?
[05:16] <hambobo> yea
[05:17] <GoodHabit> hambobo: Ur problem is solved?
[05:17] <_Shade_> how do i use strigi? just playing around with gutsy and have no idea how does it work?
[05:17] <hambobo> not really
[05:17] <Pali> can i use in kopete thunderbird contact list (no kaddressbook)?
[05:17] <ricardo> im back
[05:17] <nosrednaekim> hambobo: ok, just a secon.. thats pretty easy to do
[05:17] <hambobo> thanks
[05:18] <ricardo> nosrednaekim: i have to do the same to mount the ntfs partition that you help me to mount
[05:18] <nosrednaekim> ricardo: what?
[05:19] <GoodHabit> hambobo: In file /boot/grub/menu.lst u need to count tittle's. If windows is x, so change  default   to      x-1
[05:19] <GoodHabit> So^
[05:19] <GoodHabit> Tittle Windows is 5th
[05:19] <nosrednaekim> hambobo: run this command "kdesu kate /boot/grub/menu.lst"
[05:19] <GoodHabit> So u must set default option in that file to 4
[05:19] <hambobo> k
[05:19] <GoodHabit> That's all
[05:19] <ricardo> remember that u help me to mount a ntfs partition....with the konqueror as a root....well to mount it again i had to do the same
[05:20] <nosrednaekim> GoodHabit: but if he updates his kernel.. it will change the numbers all around.
[05:20] <ricardo> and i cant access as a normal konqueror
[05:20] <nosrednaekim> ricardo: ah.. right.. ok
[05:20] <voln> i can't see partition with winxp in my kubuntu...Where can I get it?
[05:20] <ekrengel> is there a way to have a window open up on a certain spot on your screen everytime you open it?
[05:20] <ekrengel> like if i opened a terminal window
[05:20] <ekrengel> to have it in the same place everytime
[05:21] <GoodHabit> voln: What FS have that partition?
[05:21] <nosrednaekim> ricardo: so... you need to enable all the repositories
[05:21] <voln> ntfs
[05:21] <ricardo> how i do that?
[05:21] <GoodHabit> $sudo aptitude install ntfs-3g
[05:21] <GoodHabit> and enjoy )
[05:21] <pulaski> good morning all
[05:22] <hambobo> i probably did update kernal
[05:22] <_Shade_> can i purge old kernel header package if i installed the new kernel?
[05:22] <voln> i thought that was without this apps...
[05:22] <nosrednaekim> ricardo: its in adeptpackage manager
[05:23] <ben__> hi
[05:23] <nosrednaekim> _Shade_: yes, you can
[05:23] <Pali> can i use in kopete thunderbird contact list (no kaddressbook)?
[05:23] <nosrednaekim> Pali: don't think so... but there is a way to import your thunderbird contact list into kaddressbook
[05:24] <ricardo> where...i open adept but i dont know whre
[05:24] <hambobo> nosrednaekim: i put the command in but it says password, is it my password for getting on ubuntu
[05:24] <nosrednaekim> hambobo: yeah
[05:24] <valentin13> hello room
[05:24] <hambobo> thanks
[05:24] <valentin13> frenchy is back
[05:24] <hambobo> lol
[05:24] <hambobo> not round..
[05:24] <hambobo> found*
[05:25] <Pali> nosrednaekim: i use thunderbird and i wont synchronize icq,aim, foto, ... to my contacts
[05:25] <nosrednaekim> hambobo: whats not found?
[05:25] <hambobo> that command
[05:25] <valentin13> i wish to go in french room  how i  make
[05:25] <ubuntu_> crap! i'm trying to install kubuntu for all the day and always have GRUB INSTALL (hda0) FAILED... i'm bagging for help!
[05:25] <nosrednaekim> ricardo: inside adept, on the menubar adept-> manage repositories
[05:25] <stdin> ubuntu_: (hd0) not (hda0)
[05:25] <milosmaric> stdin: I added DVD to repositor. and now I'm upgradeing it. It said that it will use 400+MB for instalatio, is that good?
[05:26] <ubuntu_> stdin: yes hd0
[05:26] <ubuntu_> sry
[05:26] <nosrednaekim> valentin13: typr this in " /join #ubuntu-fr"
[05:26] <valentin13> ty
[05:26] <stdin> milosmaric: sounds normal
[05:26] <nosrednaekim> hambobo: what command?
[05:26] <pulaski> I need to find the approprate file to add dir to my $PATH variable so it is effective when I open an xterm.  The man bash Invocation section is confusing. Does anyone know what file kubuntu 7.04 uses for this purpose?
[05:27] <ricardo> ok then what should i do...i found it
[05:27] <milosmaric> srdin: ok, I'll tell you is it working when it winish, thanks any way :)
[05:27] <ubuntu_> always on 94% same FATAL ERROR; what am i supposed to do ? :|
[05:27] <hambobo> kdesu kate /boot/grub/menu.lst
[05:27] <voln> after installation ntfs-3g can I move files bigger that 4 ggb to winxp?
[05:27] <nosrednaekim> ricardo: there should be a list of repositories, check them all, except for "sources"
[05:27] <Pali> nosrednaekim: exist module for kaddressbook for use .mab type? (Kaddressbook use vcf and binary)
[05:28] <nosrednaekim> Pali: just export the thunderbird one to vcard and import it into kaddressbook
[05:28] <ricardo> the 2 list are empty...
[05:28] <nosrednaekim> hambobo: are you running kubuntu or ubuntu?
[05:28] <hambobo> ubuntu
[05:29] <ubuntu_> can someone help me with that 'grub install (hd0) failed' ??
[05:29] <nosrednaekim> hambobo: support for that is on #ubuntu. but lol.. its ok. run "gksu gedit /boot/grub/menu.lst"
[05:29] <Pali> nosrednaekim: and extension for thunderbird, use vcf file?
[05:29] <ubuntu_> i'm using kub. for a long time but this is first time when i'm receiving such alert
[05:29] <nosrednaekim> Pali: I guess
[05:30] <ricardo> the list of repositories is empty...how can i fill it?
[05:30] <hambobo> how do i go to the ubuntu channel
[05:30] <nosrednaekim> ricardo: no, just the first tab that says "Kubuntu software"
[05:30] <ricardo> ok
[05:30] <nosrednaekim> hambobo: "/join #ubuntu"
[05:30] <hambobo> oh
[05:31] <ricardo> what i do there?...
[05:31] <nosrednaekim> hambobo: but don't bother.. I can help you here
[05:31] <pulaski> Can I set up ~/.profile and add a line like "$PATH=~/bin export" and merely add the dir to the value of my existing $PATH variable?
[05:31] <nosrednaekim> ricardo: check all the boxes
[05:31] <hambobo> i cant use the number sign..
[05:31] <ricardo> ok... then?
[05:31] <nosrednaekim> hambobo: don't worry about it. I can help you here... just for future note.
[05:31] <hambobo> ok
[05:32] <nosrednaekim> hambobo: so did you run that command?
[05:32] <hambobo> yea
[05:32] <hambobo> but it so confusing
[05:32] <nosrednaekim> ricardo: now, on the main page of adept, run "update"
[05:32] <nosrednaekim> hambobo: :)
[05:33] <edemilson> como acessar o canal , irc brasil?
[05:33] <stdin> !br
[05:33] <ubotu> Por favor use #ubuntu-br ou #ubuntu-pt  para ajuda em portugus. Obrigado.
[05:33] <ubuntu_> can someone help at last or not?! :] 
[05:33] <nosrednaekim> hambobo: scroll down until you don't see anymore # signs.
[05:33] <nosrednaekim> ubuntu
[05:33] <nosrednaekim> I guess not
[05:33] <ricardo> ok
[05:33] <_Shade_> does gutsy have compiz-fusion on its repos, or just the older version?
[05:33] <ubuntu_> didn't u hav a grub install failed fatal error ?
[05:33] <nosrednaekim> it has compiz-fusion
[05:34] <bagolight> ciao a tutti
[05:34] <bagolight> bye
[05:34] <ricardo> then it should work? right?
[05:34] <_Shade_> nosrednaekim: so all you have to do to get it work is to install compiz-kde, right?
[05:34] <nosrednaekim> hambobo: somewhere down there there should be a section entitled "windows" or such.
[05:34] <nosrednaekim> _Shade_: I guess...
[05:34] <nosrednaekim> dunno really
[05:36] <pulaski> How can I permanently add ~/bin to my $PATH?
[05:37] <nosrednaekim> pulaski: google it...
[05:37] <nosrednaekim> hambobo: see where i'm talking about?
[05:37] <pulaski> ok nosrednaekim thank you for responding
[05:37] <hambobo> yea
[05:37] <malqos> hi, i  have dell latitude d600 and how i  can configure wifi?knetworkmanager doesnt see any wireless network.i dont know why. when i had windows i just turn on wifi and everything was  ok.what can i do?
[05:38] <nosrednaekim> hambobo: ok, now do you see the top ubuntu section?
[05:38] <nosrednaekim> should be just about 10-20 lines about the windows section
[05:38] <hambobo> 2.6.20- 16- generic
[05:38] <nosrednaekim> malqos: what is the chipset?
[05:39] <samkorn> hi -- I'm having trouble booting my kubuntu livecds -- attempting to boot either 32- or 64-bit Feisty or the latest Gutsy tribe release hangs on "Starting Bluetooth Services" --- it just gives "[143.625958]  bcm43xx: Error: Microcode "bcm43xx_microcode5.fw" not available or load failed."
[05:39] <_Shade_> malqos: have you tried to install ndiswrapper?
[05:39] <hambobo> samkorn: did u check cd for defects(question mark)
[05:40] <nosrednaekim> hambobo: right... now, grab the wholewindows section, cut it, and paste it  just above that top ubuntu option.
[05:40] <malqos> no
[05:40] <malqos> i dont have windows
[05:40] <samkorn> hambobo: yes -- and checked the MD5 sum before burning the image
[05:40] <malqos> i just have ubuntu 7.04
[05:40] <malqos> nosrednaekim: what is chipset?
[05:41] <samkorn> hambobo: and I used the 32-bit one successfully on another computer (a desktop rather than a notebook)
[05:41] <nosrednaekim> malqos: run this command "lspci" and pastebin the result.
[05:41] <hambobo> samkorn: lol i just a beginner ask nosrednaekim
[05:42] <srbaker> folks
[05:42] <hambobo> do i copy the other OS with windows xp to the top
[05:42] <nosrednaekim> samkorn: file a bug report... that is most definately a bug.
[05:42] <srbaker> i'm having some issues with konq
[05:42] <srbaker> it seems to often forget to load CSS
[05:43] <srbaker> ironically, pretty much reliably forgets to load CSS on planetkde.org
[05:43] <nosrednaekim> hambobo: yeah,right above the ubuntu option... not to the very top of the file
[05:43] <srbaker> but in other places less reliavbly
[05:43] <malqos> nosrednaekim: how i can put whole this in one line?
[05:43] <nosrednaekim> don't save the file yet though
[05:43] <nosrednaekim> !paste | malqos
[05:43] <ubotu> malqos: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[05:43] <samkorn> nosrednaekim: I wonder, because Mandriva also fails to work while Knoppix does (I really want Kubuntu, though...)
[05:43] <Baubal> I just installed 6.06 on a Dell Optiplex 745.  Did not detect network card.  Card is a Broadcom 57xx.  What is the easiest way to get the nic working?
[05:44] <nosrednaekim> samkorn: might want to try the alternate installer.
[05:44] <nosrednaekim> samkorn: or use fiesty
[05:44] <nosrednaekim> !broadcom
[05:44] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[05:44] <srbaker> anyone?
[05:44] <malqos> nosrednaekim: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/35006/
[05:44] <samkorn> nosrednaekim: two of my attempts have been Feisty, but I will try the alternate installer
[05:45] <hambobo> wont let me paste before ubuntu
[05:45] <Baubal> nosrednaekim: ya, I am stuck with the broadcom I hate to say
[05:45] <nosrednaekim> hambobo: ok.. did that? pastebin the whole file please.
[05:45] <nosrednaekim> hambobo: why not?
[05:46] <hambobo> i pasted on the empty space after `end defult options`
[05:47] <nosrednaekim> ok.... and...
[05:47] <nosrednaekim> any error?
[05:47] <hambobo> it after ubuntu 2.6.20- 16
[05:49] <hambobo> i`ll just go to ubuntu
[05:49] <nosrednaekim> hambobo: ummm could you pastebin that file please?
[05:50] <nosrednaekim> hambobo: no no... they're not going to be able to help you any more than I can with this
[05:50] <hambobo> pastebin?
[05:50] <nosrednaekim> !paste
[05:50] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[05:51] <hambobo> ooh
[05:51] <hambobo> did
[05:51] <Kai> Hey, I said ban me forever >:(
[05:51] <hambobo> lol
[05:51] <nosrednaekim> hambobo: link to your paste?
[05:52] <malqos> nosrednaekim: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/35006/-what do you thing about this?
[05:52] <hambobo> do i save the menu.lst
[05:52] <nosrednaekim> hambobo: not yet... give me the URL to your paste please
[05:53] <nosrednaekim> !broadcom | malqos
[05:53] <ubotu> malqos: Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[05:53] <hambobo> url..
[05:53] <hambobo> or do i paste here
[05:54] <mb9999> Hi all. Question: How do I configure k3b to rip audio cd's as mp3 as opposed to ogg, etc? I have installed liblame etc, but can't seem to find it in the save options
[05:55] <nosrednaekim> hambobo: when you pasted there it gave you a page, copy the website title, or URL
[05:56] <robewald|home> I got a problem connecting a via wlan. I get arp requests from B to A but the replies from A to B never arrive at B. Iptables is empty and I just don't know where to look
[05:56] <malqos> i had to go thanks i will check this later
[05:56] <stdin> mb9999: when you click "Start Ripping" you can choose
[05:57] <mb9999> stdin: Nope. Loads of other options, but not mp3
[05:57] <nosrednaekim> robewald|home: arp?
[05:57] <hambobo> pasted where
[05:57] <nate_> hey, so sorry to just jump in and ask questions, but anyways, I have a 1680x1050 (widescreen) monitor, and it won't let me go above 1280x1024
[05:57] <nosrednaekim> !paste | hambobo
[05:57] <ubotu> hambobo: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[05:57] <ralph> Can someone tell me how to get around the bcm43## microcode errors during boot up? I have read much but it only tells me how to install the driver after I am up and running.
[05:57] <stdin> mb9999: have you installed the "lame" package (not just liblame)
[05:57] <nate_> when i go into xorg.conf, it has 1680x1050 listed for all color depths, however
[05:57] <mb9999> lame and liblame. It's very strange...
[05:57] <nosrednaekim> ralph: is it failing to boot?or is it not working?
[05:58] <stdin> mb9999: and probably toolame too
[05:58] <nosrednaekim> nate_: what driver?
[05:58] <[Ramy] > how I can hide my ip on ubuntu ?
[05:58] <nate_> ahh yes, drivers
[05:58] <nosrednaekim> [Ramy] : from whom>
[05:58] <mb9999> hehe
[05:58] <hambobo> wats syntax for
[05:58] <nosrednaekim> hambobo: don't worry about that.
[05:58] <nosrednaekim> thats iff you are posting some kind of program or such
[05:58] <robewald|home> nosrednaekim: arp (address resolution protocol) if you use tcpdump -i eth1 then you see your traffic. there you can see the arp packets, so physical connection is OK.
[05:58] <ralph> nosredmaekim It is failing to boot. Just keeps throwing the error code.
[05:59] <hambobo> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/35010/         sorry i so dumb...
[05:59] <mb9999> as in the libraries? I'll give it a go (the shotgun approach is always the best :)
[05:59] <nosrednaekim> ralph: ok.
[05:59] <nosrednaekim> hambobo: its ok :)
[05:59] <ben__> im trying to get windows games to run on linux
[05:59] <[Ramy] > nosrednaekim I want to hide it when I use my ADSL, forums, games, and IRC ?
[05:59] <ben__> can anyone help please
[05:59] <nosrednaekim> [Ramy] : don't think you can do that very easily without going through a proxy
[06:00] <nosrednaekim> ben__: wine.
[06:00] <stdin> ben__: see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Games
[06:00] <nosrednaekim> hambobo: ok.. close that without saving. make sure you don't save it.
[06:01] <ben__> it wont work i d/l the game with ktorrent
[06:01] <mb9999> stdin: still no joy
[06:01] <nosrednaekim> hambobo: and then open it up again and paste it again
[06:01] <hambobo> i forgot command
[06:01] <stdin> mb9999: have you restarted k3b after installing them ?
[06:01] <ben__> wine wont run it
[06:02] <nosrednaekim> ben__: thats why we have dual boots.
[06:02] <hambobo> ben_: wine only works with SOME programs(slash)games
[06:02] <ben__> i run dual boot to the game asks for a no cd crack i think i have d/l it but i dont know what to do next
[06:03] <mb9999> yes
[06:03] <mb9999> have raw,wav,ogg,amiga(fer christs sake!), etc. No mp3 :(
[06:04] <mb9999> I can't use shell commands 'cause it's for my mother - I'm going out of the country again this afternoon for a year...
[06:04] <donato> ppp
[06:04] <robewald|home> so is there anything in kubuntu which could block network packets besides iptables?
[06:04] <nosrednaekim> robewald|home: question... is this an atheros chipset?
[06:05] <ben__>  nosr can u help me with trying to get this game to run on xp please?
[06:05] <stdin> mb9999: try installing sox, seems that it uses that for some
[06:05] <stdin> !windows
[06:05] <ubotu> For help with Microsoft Windows, please visit ##windows or your nearest mental health institute. See http://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+bug/1 http://linux.oneandoneis2.org/LNW.htm and !equivalents
[06:05] <nosrednaekim> ben__: on XP? no lol. I haven't run XP in over 4 years
[06:06] <hambobo> ben_:i have xp i could prbably help u
[06:06] <ben__> 4 years lol well i dual boot the game wont work here so xp will have to do
[06:06] <mb9999> already have.
[06:06] <hambobo> ben_: u running xp pro, etc.
[06:06] <ben__> hamboo do u use kopte can i add u log into xp and c if u can help?
[06:07] <hambobo> ben_: i could download it
[06:07] <ben__> wat the game or the patch?
[06:07] <ben__> id  rather talk on kopte or messenger lol
[06:07] <hambobo> ben_: i dunno wat is kopte
[06:07] <hambobo> u have xfire
[06:08] <ben__> messenger on ubuntu mate
[06:08] <hambobo> i have gaim
[06:08] <ben__> wats xfire?
[06:08] <hambobo> nvm
[06:08] <ben__> thats cool this will work i fink
[06:08] <mb9999> ah well. thanks for trying. I'll mess again in an hour (time permitting)
[06:08] <nosrednaekim> hambobo: did you repaste that file?
[06:08] <Angelus> will .deb files for the debian distribution work on kubuntu?
[06:09] <nosrednaekim> Angelus: generally, yes
[06:09] <stdin> Angelus: some
[06:09] <Angelus> OK
[06:09] <Angelus> thankz
[06:09] <hambobo> i think so
[06:09] <ben__> hamboobo wats ya addy?
[06:09] <nosrednaekim> hambobo: link please?
[06:09] <hambobo> k
[06:09] <hambobo> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/35010/
[06:09] <hambobo> ben_: i getting kopte
[06:10] <ben__> ok mate
[06:10] <nosrednaekim> no no.... your new one... after you closed the file without saving and then repopened it.
[06:10] <hambobo> forgot command
[06:10] <ben__> but im gonna have to reboot to xp anyway to try and get this game working
[06:10] <nosrednaekim> hambobo: :) "gksu gedit /boot/grub/menu.lst"
[06:10] <eagles0513875> ben__:  what game
[06:11] <ben__> eagles footbal manager 2007 eagles
[06:12] <eagles0513875> what kind of video card u have
[06:12] <hambobo> do i paste the normal men.lst
[06:13] <eagles0513875> hambobo: use pastbin
[06:13] <nosrednaekim> hambobo: yes
[06:13] <ben__> eagles my spec is fine i d/l it of torent i need to replace something with a no cd crack and the game will work.... its that i cant do
[06:13] <eagles0513875> ben__: all you do is copy the crack into the same folder and replace the file that it asks u to replace
[06:13] <saylar> hey guys
[06:14] <hambobo> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/35017/
[06:14] <ben__> eagles i think i have the crack on my desktop but its not working
[06:14] <martijn81> anyone knows what the name is of this K-menu? http://www.linuxmint.com/pictures/screenshots/bianca-2.2/kde/2/12.png
[06:14] <eagles0513875> ben__: go to gamecopyworld.com
[06:15] <eagles0513875> try there
[06:15] <nosrednaekim> hambobo: thats not the whole thing..
[06:15] <ben__> thats where i got it mate
[06:15] <eagles0513875> ben__: thats interesting
[06:15] <LeeJunFan> what's the name of the file manager with split view, etc?
[06:16] <Kai> ben__ maybe you should pay for the game?
[06:16] <nosrednaekim> konqueror?
[06:16] <Kai> Because that is the moral and legal thing to do maybe?
[06:16] <ben__> well i d/l it and it says when i click on it which programme would i like to open it with i have 7 zip and it doesnt do anything] 
[06:16] <nosrednaekim> dophin?
[06:16] <ben__> kai why pay when torrent gives it me for nothing
[06:16] <stdin> martijn81: probably kbfx
[06:16] <saylar> i got a problem with my soundcard (creative audigy 2). i had to replace my motherboard with a new one, i'm using the old system and everything is working except the soundcard. any ideas what could cause the problem?
[06:16] <LeeJunFan> nosrednaekim: no, it was something more like DoPus was on the Amiga.
[06:16] <Kai> ben__: Because that is the moral and legal thing to do maybe?
[06:17] <nosrednaekim> ben__: cause then you don't have to bug us trying to be your support for a game that you didn't buy for an OS we don't like
[06:17] <ben__> dnt be silly its immoral the ammount they charge
[06:17] <Kai> ben__: How is it immoral to charge high prices? You don't need the game
[06:17] <jason__10> hello fellow ubuntus
[06:17] <jason__10> Does any one know how to test the fan on my laptop?
[06:18] <ben__> maybe not immoral just damn greedy
[06:18] <JCDG> in the bios, you can see if the fan is working
[06:18] <jason__10> excellent, thanks mate
[06:18] <jason__10> brb
[06:18] <nosrednaekim> hambobo: I need the WHOLE menu.lst... not just that part.
[06:19] <Kai> ben__: All the people involved in the development and publishing of the game are greedy?
[06:19] <JCDG> u'r welcome
[06:19] <hambobo> oops..
[06:19] <Kai> ben__: Or do some of them actually deserve to get paid for their work?
[06:19] <hambobo> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/35019/
[06:20] <ben__> kai im guessing your some kind of programmer well i love torrent it stops me having topay for anythng
[06:20] <stdin> ben__: discussion of illegal activities is not permitted in this channel, take it elsewhere.
[06:20] <ben__> films games
[06:20] <nosrednaekim> hambobo: ok thanks :)
[06:20] <hambobo> i don like torrents
[06:21] <uncoolguy> anybody know why in my hardware profile it would say that my laptop is a desktop?
[06:21] <LeeJunFan> nosrednaekim: krusader - the filemanager I was trying to remember.
[06:22] <nosrednaekim> ahhh.. ok
[06:22] <wastedfluid> hi guys.  I need to run "modprobe ndiswrapper" on startup at root level.. where can I put that?  apparently, .kde/autostart is user level
[06:22] <uncoolguy> I have several devices that are not working, (i.e. webcam, audio, not sure display adapter is working properly, as I can't find where to change the resolution) and was wondering if maybe there was some connection
[06:24] <uncoolguy> also, beryl isn't working
[06:24] <uncoolguy> I can't change desktops
[06:24] <nosrednaekim> hambobo: ok, backspace EVRYTHING in that file and paste the contents of this into it http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/35020/
[06:25] <jason__10> hello im back, no fan infomation on my bios unfortunately
[06:26] <jason__10> i have a silver laptop and theres a darkened mark on the casing i think its due to heat, i dont over heat but i dont think the fan is running. Any help? ive tried modprobe fan
[06:26] <nosrednaekim> jason__10: no clue.
[06:26] <nosrednaekim> jason__10: is it a dell?
[06:26] <jason__10> nope its an advent
[06:26] <nosrednaekim> oh,
[06:27] <jason__10> Is there a way to test the fan in linux?
[06:27] <wastedfluid> jason__10: I don't know bud.  I have a silver laptop, and I have a darkened spot from where I took a sticker off.  Did you remove a sticker or anything?
[06:27] <nosrednaekim> hambobo: did that?
[06:28] <hambobo> yea
[06:28] <jason__10> wastedfluid:  nope, but it is developing to a larger mark gradually, it might be from where my hand rests, but it does feel like a hot spot if you know what i mean
[06:28] <hambobo> but it shows the number 1
[06:28] <wastedfluid> dude
[06:28] <nosrednaekim> hambobo: what does?
[06:28] <wastedfluid> now that you mention it, it's also where my right hand rests.. lol
[06:28] <JCDG> http://www.markshuttleworth.com/
[06:28] <jason__10> same lol
[06:28] <wastedfluid> it's EXACTLY where my right hand rests..
[06:28] <hambobo> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/35023/
[06:29] <jason__10> lol
[06:29] <wastedfluid> Well, my laptop is not hot right there..
[06:29] <wastedfluid> The only two spots I'd imagine it can pretty hot is going to be your processor, and your harddrive..
[06:29] <wastedfluid> Is it hot underneath that spot?
[06:29] <jason__10> i have no evidence of a run running tho it doesn't overheat. I am concerned tho
[06:29] <wastedfluid> It's cool to the touch where my 'dark spot' is.
[06:29] <Slike> hi, is there a way not to show connected usb drives on the desktop?
[06:29] <jason__10> lol
[06:29] <wastedfluid> I wouldn't be, if it's not warm to the touch where it's getting 'dark'
[06:29] <wastedfluid> install lm sensors..
[06:29] <nosrednaekim> hambobo: thats after you pasted?
[06:29] <wastedfluid> and grab a reading from that.
[06:30] <jason__10> Slike:  Usually my drives pop up automaticlly
[06:30] <dapjer> hi all i hope some one can help me( ive bought an entire new pc without OS but i boot the install cd (5.10) it runs and suddenly stops and says at the end (0)"kenel panic" trie to kill idle or so
[06:30] <hambobo> u said backspace everything
[06:30] <nosrednaekim> hambobo: oh... thats the only thing that wouldn't backspace?
[06:30] <jason__10> dapjer:  I would reccomend using a different boot cd
[06:30] <hambobo> there was nothing after i backspaced but when i pasted..
[06:30] <dapjer> with one its a p4
[06:30] <dapjer> pentium 4
[06:31] <nosrednaekim> hambobo: thats the only thing that pasted?
[06:31] <dapjer> jason__10
[06:31] <jason__10> dapjer:  I would try and use the latest Kubuntu or Ubuntu release, Feisty Fawn
[06:31] <dapjer> i also tried 6.06
[06:31] <jason__10> feisty is 7.04
[06:31] <jason__10> i think
[06:31] <hambobo> true
[06:31] <dapjer> i know but i dont have a install cd of that
[06:31] <Slike> jason__10: i'd like to prevent that behaviour, I don't wish to see any device on my desktop
[06:31] <jason__10> Slike:  oh I see
[06:32] <nosrednaekim> hambobo: odd odd odd...
[06:32] <nosrednaekim> hambobo: gedit may be having "problems"
[06:32] <wastedfluid> slike; if you supply a mount point for the device, it won't appear on your desktop.
[06:32] <jason__10> Slike:  you using Kubuntu?
[06:32] <nosrednaekim> hambobo: close that document without saving.
[06:32] <Slike> kubuntu 7.04 (as a kind of a test....i'm more into gnome generally spoken)
[06:32] <nosrednaekim> hambobo: and then run "sudo nano /boot/grub/menu.lst" in the command line
[06:32] <jason__10> Slike: go into system settings and choose behaviour, under behavior there is a tab for Device icons, untick the ones you want
[06:33] <jason__10> Mounted removable medium!
[06:33] <hambobo> it says a warning after i put the command
[06:34] <jason__10> Slike:  let me know if it work
[06:34] <hambobo> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/35024/
[06:35] <sumon> hi
[06:35] <jason__10> does anyone here know any IRC vulnerabilities? sometimes I worry about being hacked. ONce I was using XChat and i was being kicked with a message "expolited client"
[06:35] <jason__10> hi sumon
[06:35] <jason__10> whats up
[06:35] <sumon> hi, just testing my internet connection
[06:36] <jason__10> lol well done it work
[06:36] <jason__10> I love using Kubuntu, im sort of obsessed with Linux.
[06:36] <sumon> ha ha, no man... all my tools ate working exept the browser and rss reader
[06:36] <nosrednaekim> hambobo: dunno... just close it and run that second command I just gave you
[06:36] <jason__10> Im sort of in a dream at the moment of starting my own company doing remote support, although Im still studying. Any body interested in helping?
[06:36] <sumon> just configured the internet connection
[06:37] <jason__10> ahh sumon your browser isn't working?
[06:37] <sumon> what kind of company?
[06:37] <jason__10> sumon:  a remote support company
[06:37] <sumon> ya, jason, i am using kubuntu
[06:37] <jason__10> sumon: how long have you been using linux?
[06:37] <sumon> remort support? technical?
[06:37] <jason__10> yea
[06:38] <jason__10> Aimed at home users, windows and ubuntu distros
[06:38] <nosrednaekim> !off-topic
[06:38] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about off-topic - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:38] <nosrednaekim> !offtopic
[06:38] <ubotu> #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related support questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[06:38] <jason__10> nosrednaekim:  oh yeah sorry,
[06:38] <sumon> i used to use redhat 5, then have been in and out with linux, i am a pro user, but used windows as primary
[06:38] <nosrednaekim> hambobo: you do that?
[06:39] <Slike> thx jason__10, they're gone now :)
[06:39] <hambobo> uh
[06:39] <nosrednaekim> hambobo: sorry this is taking so long... I've never had to do this before
[06:39] <jason__10> Slike:  Thanks 10 points to me!
[06:39] <hambobo> no worries i know how hard it is
[06:39] <hambobo> well i did do gksu
[06:39] <sumon> anyone has any idea, why my konqueror is not findin internet connection?
[06:39] <nosrednaekim> hambobo: close gedit, then run, from a terminal "sudo nano /boot/grub/menu.lst"
[06:40] <Slike> jason__10, you should change your nickname to jason__20 then :P
[06:40] <sumon> also mr Akregator is doing same
[06:40] <jason__10> Slike:  I like to help, if you have any other probs you'd like to solve, maybe I can test remote connection with you
[06:40] <jason__10> lol
[06:40] <uncoolguy> "sudo nano /boot/grub/men.2nd" "sudo nano /boot/grub/menu.3rd
[06:40] <uncoolguy> hehe
[06:40] <sumon> but everything else is ok
[06:40] <Baubal> I need to apt-get install a package from an Ubuntu 6.06 CD, whats the line in sources.list that I need to add? :)  (need to install make package to compile ethernet driver)
[06:41] <Arwen> insert the CD, type "apt-cdrom"
[06:41] <Baubal> Arwen: ty kindly
[06:41] <Slike> ok, thanks jason__10. kde has changed quite a lot since the 2.x series :p
[06:41] <uncoolguy> kdizzle foshizzle
[06:41] <sumon> hello...
[06:42] <jason_20> Slike: to be honest I havnt been using it that much, but im going along with Linuses word thats KDE is better
[06:42] <jason_20> sumon:  you still there
[06:42] <sumon> ya
[06:42] <sumon> i am thinking, i am connected with PPP over gprs
[06:43] <jason_20> sumon:  did you get any of my Personal messages?
[06:43] <sumon> but my browser is not getting net connection
[06:43] <sumon> personal?
[06:43] <sumon> nope
[06:43] <jason_20> firefox?
[06:43] <jason_20> sumon: well I was gonna say email me jaybyers@aol.com if you wanna talk off topic later
[06:43] <sumon> ok sure
[06:44] <sumon> i am unregistered, so they are not allowing private messages
[06:44] <nosrednaekim> hambobo: got that?
[06:44] <jason_20> oh i see
[06:44] <stdin> jason_20: you do know that you just broadcast your email address to the channel and also this channel is logged on the www?
[06:44] <hambobo> k
[06:44] <sumon> ha ha
[06:45] <Angelus> can anyone tell me again how can i specify Gentoo-like cflags in a source code?
[06:45] <sumon> jason_20 is doomed
[06:45] <nosrednaekim> hambobo: ok, backspace that whole file again in nano :)
[06:45] <jason_20> sumon:  its ok i have loads of email accounts lol
[06:45] <Baubal> Arwen: apt-cdrom worked like a charm.  Just wanted to say thank you :)
[06:45] <BluesKaj> din't think ppl still still used AOHell :)
[06:45] <jason_20> and not too many idiots look through the ubuntu logs
[06:46] <stdin> jason_20: it's crawled by google :p
[06:46] <sumon> jason_20 count the bots
[06:46] <Angelus> BluesKaj: do you know how to specify Cflags in a source code?
[06:46] <hydrogen> Angelus: its an environment variable
[06:46] <sumon> i write bots for a living
[06:46] <hydrogen> that make looks for
[06:46] <Angelus> i want to compile -O3 -march=athlon-xp -pipe
[06:46] <sumon> bots can do anything
[06:47] <Angelus> how am i gonna do that? hydrogen?
[06:47] <hydrogen> or you can pass it to gcc on the command line
[06:47] <Arwen> Angelus, um... -O3? why?
[06:47] <BluesKaj> Angelus, nope , dunno what Cflags are :(
[06:47] <jason_20> sumon: really?> thats cool, i spoke to a bot for a while the other day, i think it exploited me :(
[06:47] <jason_20> sumon: I was testing it to see what its purpose was
[06:47] <Angelus> do you know how hydrogen
[06:47] <Arwen> -O3 takes longer to compile than -O2 and runs slower :-\
[06:48] <sumon> he he
[06:48] <Arwen> Angelus, export CFLAGS = blah blah blah
[06:48] <Angelus> ah
[06:48] <Angelus> pl
[06:48] <Angelus> *OK
[06:48] <sumon> but i never wrote bad bots
[06:48] <nosrednaekim> hambobo: did that?
[06:48] <jason_20> sumon:  are you using FIrefox as a broswer?
[06:49] <eevee> does anyone know how to get feisty fawn to be more laptop battery-friendly?
[06:49] <Angelus> Angelus@Darkness:~/Desktop/samba-3.0.25c/source$ export CFLAGS = -O2 -march=athlon-xp -pipe
[06:49] <Angelus> bash: export: `=': not a valid identifier
[06:49] <Angelus> bash: export: `-O2': not a valid identifier
[06:49] <Angelus> bash: export: `-march=athlon-xp': not a valid identifier
[06:49] <Angelus> bash: export: `-pipe': not a valid identifier
[06:49] <hydrogen> no spaces...
[06:49] <stdin> !paste
[06:49] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[06:49] <hydrogen> add quotes..
[06:49] <sparr> when my computer returns from standby i am prompted for my password.  how can i disable that, OR how can i run an onscreen keyboard when that happens (i already have a keyboard in /etc/kde3/kdm/Xsetup to use for logging in via kdm)
[06:49] <Angelus> ah
[06:49] <Angelus> ok
[06:50] <nosrednaekim> sparr: you got guidance-powermanager running?
[06:50] <stdin> Angelus: like: export CFLAGS="-O2 -march=athlon-xp -pipe"
[06:50] <sparr> nosrednaekim: i dont think so.  i have kpowersave
[06:50] <Angelus> stdin:  i have to do that before every compile right?
[06:50] <jason_20> eevee:  My laptop works exactly the same as in windows, but my battery is poor, I would reccomend checking your bios first for powersaving modes etc, and then you can look at the laptop applet for other settings
[06:50] <hambobo> nosrednaekim: i deleted everything
[06:50] <stdin> Angelus: no, export means that it will be remembered for that session
[06:50] <jason_20> Slike:  you still there? i don;t think I can send PM's
[06:51] <nosrednaekim> sparr: oh..hmm... not sure how to do it in there... I think there is a setting for it though.
[06:51] <stdin> Angelus: so unless you exit, you don't
[06:51] <nosrednaekim> hambobo: ok, paste that stuff.
[06:51] <Angelus> stdin: yeah so when i close Konsole it will not be remembered
[06:51] <adenicio> how can i change my ip adress?
[06:51] <stdin> Angelus: right, unless you put that in your ~/.bashrc file
[06:51] <Angelus> also will ./configure CFLAGS=" " work ?
[06:51] <jason_20> so what Irc room does Shuttleworth chat in ;)
[06:51] <eevee> so my acpi thing reads "ENABLE_LAPTOP_MODE=false"
[06:51] <stdin> Angelus: yeah, that will too
[06:51] <eevee> i'm guessing i should change false to true
[06:51] <Slike> jason_20, still alive and kicking :)
[06:52] <hydrogen> err
[06:52] <jason_20> Slike:  good good!
[06:52] <hydrogen> passing cflags to configure doesn't really help
[06:52] <elite101> hey
[06:52] <Slike> aren't your registred at freenode, jason_20?
[06:52] <nosrednaekim> eevee: hmm don't know what that will do :) try it
[06:52] <hydrogen> it needs to be in the environment of the command that spawns gcc
[06:52] <jason_20> Slike:  no im not a regular user, although its great
[06:52] <adenicio> how can i change my ip adress? elite101
[06:52] <hambobo> the command
[06:52] <stdin> hydrogen: configure put's it in the Makefiles
[06:52] <jason_20> What benefits other than IM's do you get for being regged?
[06:52] <Angelus> where can i write then in .bashrc stdin?
[06:53] <hambobo> nothing to paste except command
[06:53] <NickPresta> jason_20, you get to have your username registered...
[06:53] <stdin> Angelus: anywhere, but at the bottom is good
[06:53] <jason_20> uh hu
[06:53] <nosrednaekim> hambobo: i'm sorry, I have to go.
[06:53] <hambobo> k
[06:53] <nosrednaekim> BluesKaj: can you help him put his windows as the default boot option?
[06:54] <nosrednaekim> thanks.
[06:54] <Slike> jason_20: what do you mean by "being regged" (english is not my main language)
[06:54] <elite101> adencio, sorry what?
[06:54] <Angelus> CFLAGS="-O2 -march=athlon-xp -pipe"
[06:54] <Angelus> CXXFLAGS="${CFLAGS}"
[06:54] <Angelus> i wrote that
[06:54] <elite101> adenicio, sorry what about ur ip?
[06:54] <Angelus> in the bottom of the file
[06:54] <jason_20> I cant see a register link, "registered" Slike
[06:54] <Angelus> good like that stdin?
[06:54] <stdin> Angelus: yep
[06:54] <Slike> jason_20, if I only remembered how I registred.....
[06:54] <jason_20> lol
[06:55] <Slike> it just happened to me i suppose, or my memory is like cheese :P
[06:55] <stdin> !register
[06:55] <ubotu> Information about registering your Freenode nick is at http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#contents-userregistration
[06:55] <jason_20> lol, Slike where you from? or to keep on topic, what languages do you use on your kubuntu setup
[06:55] <jason_20> thanks stdin
[06:56] <Slike> i'm using english everywhere, but irl i speak dutch (belgium)
[06:56] <Angelus> thanks stdin
[06:56] <jason_20> ok heres a good question, when opening a http link and konqueror opens, when using konqueror as a web broswer when you click a link it always asks to save the page how do you get that to stop, if you know what I mean
[06:56] <jason_20> Slike:  oh ok cool
[06:57] <Angelus> will this show the "-O2 -march=athlon-xp -pipe" when compiling like in gentoo stdin?
[06:57] <stdin> Angelus: should do, make normally echos the commands it runs
[06:58] <NickPresta> jason_20, I don't know what you mean. Konqueror doesn't ask me to save every page I visit...
[06:59] <jason_20> erm, its not my default browser, but when I do use it everytime I click a link rather than loading it it tries to save the file or open with an application.
[06:59] <arun> It looks like I made a mistake by installing Ubuntu
[06:59] <arun> gah
[06:59] <jason_20> arun:  what went wrong?
[07:00] <BluesKaj> arun, you can install kubuntu-desktop
[07:00] <arun> jason_20: nothing went wrong, i don't like gnome :\
[07:00] <Slike> gnome's cool in its own way ;)
[07:00] <NickPresta> jason_20, well it depends on the link. Konqueror opens up specific files with specific applications... Go into Settings > Configure Konqueror > File Associations
[07:00] <jason_20> arun:  its actually very easy to install kde and remove gnome, I done it lol
[07:00] <adenicio> how can i change my ip adress? elite101
[07:00] <arun> yes, it is very cool in some ways, but it's not nearly as customisable as kubuntu
[07:00] <jason_20> NickPresta:  ok mate will give it a try
[07:01] <Slike> arun: it is, but you have to know how :)
[07:01] <arun> BluesKaj: should I install kubuntu-desktop or just do a clean re-install?
[07:01] <adenicio> how can i change my ip adress? stdin
[07:01] <BluesKaj> kubuntu is ubuntu with KDE or kubuntu-desktop
[07:01] <NickPresta> I find gnome has taking "simplicity" too far. It has the world's fastest growing menu. You would think like-applications would be grouped together but apparently not...
[07:01] <Slike> arun: install kubuntu-desktop, there's no reason why you should start all over
[07:01] <stdin> adenicio: that's up to your ISP, why do you want to?
[07:01] <arun> I have the Kubuntu feisty fawn cd, should i just do a re-install
[07:01] <BluesKaj> install kubuntu-desktop
[07:02] <jason_20> arun:  i know you didnt ask me, i'll be honest I done both, I installed kubuntu-desktop but ended up with a fresh install because i had problems removing all the gnome files, to cut a long story short, i had to reinstall Gimp, firefox and all the nice easy programs that I use
[07:02] <BluesKaj> arun , the difference is just the desktops , gnome for ubuntu , kde  for kubuntu
[07:02] <arun> BluesKaj: how is that better than re-installing?
[07:02] <adenicio> stdin: because a web site know that i exceed the limite of download and im shor they saw that by my ip
[07:02] <jason_20> i mean I ended up using the live cd and starting fresh
[07:03] <adenicio> !isp
[07:03] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about isp - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[07:03] <BluesKaj> uhmm , not better , just less time consuming , arun
[07:03] <adenicio> stdin: isp?
[07:03] <stdin> adenicio: Internet Service Provider, the company who you pay for the internet
[07:03] <arun> BluesKaj: not really, i just installed ubuntu 4 hours ago.. not saved anything in here. plus i have my home directory backed up from my previous kubuntu installation, so i can get my old settings back
[07:04] <jason_20> BluesKaj:  not to be an arse, but it was better for me as I didnt want left over files from gnome, and apt-get remove made me re-install a lot of applications which were configured for gnome
[07:04] <BluesKaj> reinstall if you must...but personally i don't see the point of it
[07:04] <arun> alright :)
[07:04] <adenicio> stdin: that su***
[07:04] <stdin> adenicio: tough :)
[07:06] <adenicio> stdin: but i cant change the last number of my ip?like for my psp i put it 10 my pc 9 and my sis laptop 11
[07:06] <stdin> adenicio: that's your internal IP, not the external IP
[07:07] <jason_20> does anyone else have problems in firefox crashing after watching a flash file
[07:07] <jason_20> like youtube
[07:07] <stdin> sometimes
[07:07] <adenicio> stdin: oh ok and witch the websites does detect?
[07:08] <stdin> adenicio: always the external one
[07:08] <Biovore> The close source flash has bugs.. :-/
[07:08] <jason_20> Biovore: does gnash do the same job without bugs?
[07:08] <Biovore> I don't thing gnash supports all the things the comercial flash does..
[07:09] <stdin> jason_20: gnash is still buggy, and can't play version 9 flash
[07:09] <Biovore> And it my still be bugy..  But atleast we can fix gnash...
[07:09] <jason_20> yeah
[07:09] <Biovore> so for flash crashing complains.. please file with adobe.. (makers of flash)
[07:09] <adenicio> stdin: wat are flash?
[07:10] <debian> hi all
[07:10] <stdin> adenicio: flash, like in youtube...
[07:10] <debian> << im new here
[07:10] <debian> << and i like debian/debian bases oses
[07:10] <gnomefreak> .mode #kubuntu -b
[07:10] <NickPresta> !hi | debian
[07:10] <ubotu> debian: Hi! Welcome to #kubuntu!
[07:11] <debian> hi nick
[07:11] <debian> thanks ubotu
[07:11] <jason_20> does anyone have any problems I can look at remotely on kubuntu so I can test the Krdc?
[07:11] <Arwen> debian? in #kubuntu? never!
[07:11] <mtfuchs> does usplash meanwhile support typing in luks passwords during the boot process whithout stopping usplash?
[07:11] <Biovore> jason_20: I use krdc here between kubuntu box's and redhat machines all the time..
[07:12] <soulrider> hello
[07:12] <debian> <<im using konversation
[07:12] <jason_20> Biovore:  how do you set up a krdc server or do you use vnc?
[07:12] <debian> hi soulrider
[07:12] <Biovore> jason_20: I use krdc most of the time now..
[07:13] <Biovore> jason_20: You need to create in invination on the machine you want to connect too.. then connect to it from another machine..
[07:13] <soulrider> damn, i just came from my neighbors house adn they bought their 6 or 7 yr old GTA 3 =/
[07:13] <jason_20> Biovore:  I want to use TSclient or Kdrc to remote assist people without any background knowledge, for example someone has a problem in XP or ubuntu, I want to connect and get around firewalls or NAT routing at the moment Im using Hamachi. Can you think of a better solution?
[07:14] <debian> . o (i think a 6 or 7 yr old is too young for GTA)'
[07:14] <mtfuchs> does usplash meanwhile support typing in luks passwords during the boot process whithout stopping usplash?
[07:14] <debian> . o (but then i started playing quake 3 at the age of 15)
[07:14] <jason_20> Biovore:  I want to setup a connection without having to explain lots of stuff to the server user.
[07:16] <soulrider> debian, i always played violent stuff, but i think thats way too much for him, i in fact doubt he has the motor skills to even correctly play it :P
[07:16] <evri2> can anyone help me with flv videos?
[07:16] <evri2> i cannot seek
[07:16] <debian> soul > :P
[07:17] <adenicio> stdin:oh i have a prob with mine i install real player to view streams on the web site http://www.hentai-streaming.com/beat_angel_escalayer_01.php  it say imposible to conect to the server (http://ks34096.kimsufi.com/~hentai/Rv/Rv/Beat_Angel_Escalayer_01.rv) that error is with firefox.with konkeror it doesnt play at all and it says nothing.but when i go on youtube the 2 of them work.the first time i install real player it on
[07:17] <adenicio> the web site (http://ks34096.kimsufi.com/~hentai/Rv/Rv/Beat_Angel_Escalayer_01.rv) was playing but not with real player
[07:18] <Biovore> jason_20: Press Alt-F2 and type in kcontrol..  Select Internet & Networking then Desktop Sharing.
[07:18] <Biovore> jason_20: check the allow univited connection box and set a password..
[07:19] <Biovore> the remotely connect to that box from another..
[07:19] <paritosh> i get the following errors if i try to open a gui app using sudo: 1. could not find MIME type application/octet-stream. 2.malformed url: file:///var/lib.....
[07:19] <Biovore> use rdp protocol
[07:19] <paritosh> what might be the problem? anybody?
[07:19] <paritosh> im using kde. this has started occurring only recently.
[07:20] <Biovore> what app?
[07:20] <paritosh> kate/konqueror
[07:20] <debian> paritosh >> did you try kdesu?
[07:20] <debian> instead of sudo?
[07:20] <paritosh> happens with all of them
[07:20] <debian> its what i usually use
[07:20] <paritosh> debian: no, will do. hold on
[07:20] <Biovore> yeah.. kdesu kate..  works here..
[07:21] <jason_20> Biovore: cheers, the thing i sometimes have probs with is that I cannot get a correct IP address for the server because of firewalls and stuff like that
[07:21] <paritosh> debian: yeah it worked.
[07:21] <jason_20> Biovore:  so i use hamachi to join a vpn
[07:21] <paritosh> debian: sudo worked earlier. what changed?
[07:21] <jason_20> paritosh:  did you change any locales or purge anything?
[07:21] <Biovore> jason_20: ok.. so your network setup is very obvuscated then..
[07:22] <paritosh> jason_20: yeah
[07:22] <debian> paritosh >> dont know, may be an update had a bug or something like that? or you need to udpate?
[07:22] <debian> update**
[07:22] <Ertain> Every time I try to open a web link in Konqueror, a dialog pops up and asks which application to open it up in (the defualt is Konqueror WB).  I try the Konqueror WB, but it doesn't open.
[07:22] <debian> but i usually perfer kdesu
[07:22] <paritosh> debian: i recently used localepurge and changed my locale too
[07:22] <jason_20> Biovore:  I was on a wireless network that used NAT and a firewall, i didnt realise about port forwarding at the time. but sometimes it would to complicated for the user to fiddle with port forwarding etc
[07:22] <Biovore> paritosh: might have worked on older version..  mine type data is stored in user directory.. root dosn't have a any mime data..
[07:23] <paritosh> Biovore: ok
[07:23] <jason_20> paritosh:  same happened to me before, it would work and then it wouldn't, the first thing I learned is not to lacalepurge
[07:23] <paritosh> jason_20: ok
[07:23] <mtfuchs> does usplash meanwhile support typing in luks passwords during the boot process whithout stopping usplash?
[07:24] <jason_20> mtfuchs:  I have no idea what a LUKS password is sorry mate
[07:24] <debian> . o (oh ok, so root doesnt have any mime types and localepurge doesnt help)
[07:24] <debian> . o (learn something every day)
[07:24] <jason_20> debian:  lol
[07:24] <paritosh> another problem-cant open my servers home-page. it says this: /var/lib/tomcat5/work/Catalina/localhost/_/org/apache/jsp/index_jsp.java (Permission denied) in the server error. its apache/tomcat
[07:24] <jason_20> debian:  I read on a site to speed up ubuntu do a localepurge but all that happend was I broke my sudo lol
[07:25] <Biovore> paritosh: change the permissions on the file to +x and owned by the webserver..
[07:25] <debian> jason >> oh so localepurge will speed up ubuntu ok
[07:25] <debian> but it causes glitches
[07:25] <debian> with sudo
[07:26] <adenicio> stdin: how do i get the flash to work again?
[07:26] <paritosh> Biovore: ok, or the whole folder?
[07:26] <stdin> adenicio: make sure you have flashplugin-nonfree installed
[07:27] <jason_20> debian:  I believe so
[07:27] <jason_20> debian:  a not so worth it Tip, unless ofcourse you know what your doing
[07:28] <adenicio> stdin: it's not in adept  flashplugin-nonfree
[07:28] <debian> << i just know some of the "basic" commands, so i guess localepurge would not be a good idea for me
[07:28] <jason_20> debian: It wasn't for me either :P
[07:28] <jay_> To those who know: I have a locked database and cannot upgrade.  What process can I kill to unlock the adept upgrader?
[07:28] <stdin> adenicio: you need multiverse installed, if you are on 64bit you need to use the instructions from the help pages
[07:28] <stdin> !aptfix| jay_
[07:29] <stdin> !aptfix | jay_
[07:29] <ubotu> jay_: If Adept crashed on you and your database is locked, try this in konsole:  sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a 
[07:29] <jay_> Thanks, Will try
[07:29] <raylu> woah that was slow
[07:29] <stdin> about time ubotu
[07:29] <danya> hello .. I want to know how can I put a security code for my wireless network ?
[07:30] <raylu> configure it on the router
[07:30] <sparr> all of my kde apps want to use the same wallet, "kdewallet", is there any way to change that?  i want some to use a password-less wallet, and others to use the normal kdewallet
[07:30] <danya> raylu : thnks :)
[07:30] <raylu> o.0
[07:30] <debian> brb need more coffee
[07:30] <nuxil> greetings all
[07:31] <raylu> sparr, kwalletmanager
[07:31] <adenicio> stdin: i tink multiverse is allready insatll
[07:31] <debian> hi nulix
[07:31] <debian> nuxil **
[07:31] <raylu> adenicio, it's a repository
[07:31] <nuxil> i got a big problem.. i need to get my serial "com" port working.. i cant get it to work.. does any one got the time to help me getting it up and running?
[07:32] <raylu> er...what's connected to the serial port?
[07:32] <sparr> raylu: i can make new wallets, and move the saved data around, but that doesnt change which wallet the apps want to open
[07:32] <babuspidy>  can anyone help me with configuring the sound devices for skype in ubuntu
[07:32] <raylu> sparr, oh...i have no idea then :P
[07:32] <nuxil> my mobo is a asus a8n32 sli delux .. i dont know how well its supported.
[07:32] <debian>  im gonna try something
[07:32] <debian> grr
[07:32] <debian> didnt work
[07:32] <nuxil> but i guess it should be posseble
[07:35] <debian> d
[07:35] <debian> d
[07:35] <debian> k i think i got it now
[07:35] <debian> woot i idid
[07:36] <phpcode> !chmod
[07:36] <ubotu> The files and directories on an Ubuntu system are organized according to a standard, see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Filesystem_Hierarchy_Standard - file permissions are explained at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FilePermissions - All filenames and directory names (and many other things) are case sensitive in Linux
[07:36] <debian> now it looks like  a freggin terminal
[07:36] <sparr> i hate FHS
[07:36] <debian> d
[07:36] <sparr> the change from /mnt to /media makes no sense to me
[07:37] <debian> ol cpm'ish looking terminal now
[07:37] <stdin> sparr: what change?
[07:37] <sparr> stdin: when debian adopted FHS
[07:37] <stdin> sparr: /mnt is for permanent/network mounts, /media is for removable media, there was no change, just an addition
[07:38] <sparr> no
[07:38] <stdin> yes
[07:38] <stdin> :p
[07:38] <sparr> mnt is explicitly for Temporarily mounted filesystems.
[07:38] <sparr> not permanent
[07:38] <sparr> FHS does not provide a place for permanent mounts
[07:39] <sparr> does my mp3 hard drive belong in /mnt or /media?  what if its hot swappable?
[07:39] <debian> sparr >> it gets mounted to /media
[07:39] <debian> or atleast it does with me
[07:39] <sparr> and if its not hot swappable?
[07:39] <NickPresta> I think it is safe to say that with the amount of freedom in GNU-Linux, you have the choice of mounting your devices and storage where ever the heck you want :)
[07:39] <debian> usually everything i mount gets mounted to /media
[07:39] <stdin> spar: swappable in /media, permanent I guess would be whatever you want
[07:40] <debian> permanent or not
[07:40] <Arwen> eh? mounts should go to media? I always figured mnt made more sense.
[07:40] <Arwen> Not that it really matters.
[07:40] <sparr> NickPresta: yes, but now i get complaints from FHS zealots when i seek help and have things mounted in the "wrong" place
[07:40] <debian> you can mount drives to what ever folder you wnat
[07:40] <debian> i think the mnt and media
[07:40] <debian> are there for variety
[07:40] <debian> some may choose mnt over media because its what theyve been using for centuries
[07:41] <debian> or the newbies may choose media because its a new addition
[07:41] <hambobo> join #ubuntu
[07:41] <debian> or its what everything gets automounted to
[07:41] <sparr> before FHS, i had /media for music/movies/etc (the other kind of "media") and i kept a few drives mounted there
[07:41] <stdin> sparr: I tend to mount permanent things things to a place in / and USB devices in /media via pmount
[07:41] <sparr> but now that debian has adopted FHS, my flash drives end up there too
[07:41] <hambobo> how i join into the ubuntu channel
[07:41] <stdin> sparr: not that it really matters anyway
[07:41] <stdin> hambobo: click on #ubuntu <
[07:42] <hambobo> thanks
[07:43] <jason_20> see you all another time ubuntu buddies
[07:49] <debian> i wonder how you get that custom message when you exit the irc chat
[07:50] <hambobo> how do i get windows into defult os
[07:51] <Erwin> who wants windows as default?
[07:51] <debian> why would you want windows as the default?
[07:51] <hambobo> my parents
[07:51] <debian> oh
[07:51] <Erwin> why not learning them linux?
[07:51] <debian> edit your /boot/grub/menu.lst
[07:52] <sparr> why would you want windows at all?
[07:52] <hambobo> it gksu something..
[07:52] <hambobo> i need command
[07:52] <debian> im afraid im not gonna be able to help you out cause i dont have windows installed on here
[07:53] <hambobo> nvm
[07:53] <debian> gksu kate /boot/grub/menu.lst
[07:53] <stdin> kdesu, not gksu
[07:53] <debian> or kdesu
[07:53] <Erwin> and then just copy the windowpart above the ubuntu one
[07:53] <debian> gksu if you are using grub or have grub installed..however its best ot use kdesu
[07:53] <angel> hi
[07:53] <debian> hi angel
[07:53] <Erwin> hi angel
[07:54] <Nykoes> Hi, could someone help ? Got a sound probleme here.
[07:54] <angel> how can i run paltalk on ubuntu knowing that i installed it successfully??
[07:54] <spaz> hello
[07:55] <Erwin> hello spaz
[07:55] <spaz> i just upgraded from feisty to gutsy and now i can't boot the 2.6.22-10 kernel included by default
[07:55] <Erwin> nykoes: what's the problem/
[07:56] <spaz> it spews out nothing but "read outside of bounds" errors (something like that, actually)
[07:56] <spaz> i never had these problems with 2.6.20 or less...
[07:56] <spaz> any idea how to fix that?
[07:56] <Nykoes> Erwin : First i wanna know why i could always have sound even if i mute everything with Kmix ?
[07:57] <spaz> and yes, i know i shouldn't use beta software or so, but i had the same problems when i compiled my own kernel
[07:57] <spaz> -_-
[07:58] <stdin> spaz: try asking in #ubuntu+1 that's the gutsy support channel
[07:58] <spaz> okies
[07:58] <spaz> thanks
[07:58] <Nykoes> Erwin : Everything is muted but the sounds always work. Any idea ?
[07:59] <Angelus> hello
[07:59] <Angelus> i compiled samba from source
[07:59] <guillermo> hi?
[07:59] <Angelus> but when i go to file sharing from Kcontrol its saying i dont have the SMB SERVER installed
[08:00] <Angelus> :/
[08:00] <Erwin> Nykoes: The only thing at the moment i can think of is a sound server problem
[08:00] <Erwin> but i'm not sure
[08:01] <angel> hi
[08:01] <Erwin> hi again angel
[08:01] <mahdi> how can i add repositories in kubuntu? everywhere i search is about ubuntu
[08:02] <stdin> !repos
[08:02] <ubotu> The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[08:04] <debian> . o (man this sure beats yahoo chat...)
[08:05] <Erwin> yawhat
[08:07] <seanpcrowe|> hey peeps...
[08:07] <debian> hey sean
[08:07] <seanpcrowe|> can i mount a network drive from a w2k box in kubuntu on my lappy?
[08:08] <seanpcrowe|> (when i try to watch a movie stored on my server kubuntu trys to download the whole thing before playing)
[08:08] <debian> sean >> i believe so, ive done it before..but its been a while
[08:08] <seanpcrowe|> (it just plays when i am on windows on my lappy)
[08:08] <seanpcrowe|> does what i say make sence debian ????
[08:08] <debian> yes
[08:09] <seanpcrowe|> can u point me in the direction to go debian ?
[08:09] <debian> according to kubuntu, kubuntu is not treeting your windows server a s a drive, so it has to download the file
[08:09] <debian> then play it
[08:09] <debian> well ive never done this on kubuntu
[08:09] <debian> before
[08:09] <debian> but on regular ubuntu i have
[08:09] <seanpcrowe|> debian, yes that is exactally the problem (finally someone understands lulz)
[08:10] <seanpcrowe|> can u rememebr what u done when u done it in ubuntu?
[08:10] <debian> on regular ubuntu, go places>Connect to server...
[08:11] <debian> then, on service type, select Windows Share
[08:11] <debian> type in the IP of the verver, teh share, and the folder you want to share
[08:11] <debian> and the domain name
[08:11] <debian> then name the connection
[08:11] <debian>  (username is optional)
[08:11] <debian> (use username if you "password protected" your windows server)
[08:12] <debian> thast how you do it on regular ubuntu, ive never doen it on kubuntu
[08:12] <debian> i usually remotely connect to the server computer though
[08:12] <debian> remotely as in VNC
[08:12] <Erwin> i'm starting up my kubuntu box and check it now
[08:13] <seanpcrowe|> kk guys...
[08:13] <seanpcrowe|> thx...
[08:13] <debian> yw
[08:13] <seanpcrowe|> =)
[08:16] <Angelus> hello i compield and installed samba from source, but when i go to kcontrol and file sharing its says SMB and NFS servers are not installed . any help pleasE?
[08:19] <Nykoes> Got another problem, i cant have sound under KdeTV or Kradio, it seems that analogic sound is muted somewhere, any ideas ?
[08:21] <BluesKaj> Angelus, did you check in system settings/advanced/system services ?
[08:22] <BluesKaj> Nykoes, i hate to state the obvious but have you checked kmix and or alsamixer
[08:23] <Angelus> and what should i do from there BluesKaj?
[08:23] <BluesKaj> check if samba is listed and running
[08:24] <Erwin> sean: did you check local network? if your drive is in there it has to go well.
[08:24] <Angelus> no its not BluesKaj
[08:24] <Angelus> :s
[08:24] <Angelus> how should i start it?
[08:24] <coreymon77> Angelus: is it listed?
[08:24] <Angelus> no its not listed
[08:24] <Angelus> :s
[08:24] <seanpcrowe|> local network Erwin ???
[08:25] <Nykoes> BluesKaj : Yes,  i already check at those 2 mixers, everything is up and nothing muted :/
[08:25] <seanpcrowe|> where are you refearing to??
[08:25] <Angelus> what should i do
[08:25] <Angelus> ?
[08:25] <seanpcrowe|> i usually browse via "remote places" Erwin
[08:25] <Erwin> do you have a network or is your lappy dualboot
[08:25] <BluesKaj> Nykoes, which soundcard ?
[08:26] <BluesKaj> Angelus, just install samba from the cli
[08:26] <Erwin> i have the problem that i'm working on a dutch version
[08:27] <Nykoes> BluesKaj : under Kmix, it is wrote : Intel ICH5
[08:27] <Angelus> what BluesKaj?
[08:27] <Angelus> O_o
[08:27] <Angelus> from cli ?
[08:27] <debian> well i gtg l8r all
[08:27] <BluesKaj> Angelus, also I recommend smb4k samba browser
[08:27] <seanpcrowe|> Erwin, yeah my lappy is dual boot... my home server box has only w2k...
[08:27] <Angelus> i have smb4k
[08:27] <Angelus> hehe
[08:27] <Angelus> but i didnt understand you
[08:28] <Angelus> what do you mean install samba from cli
[08:28] <Angelus> ?
[08:28] <BluesKaj> Angelus, in the terminal ' sudo apt-get install samba '
[08:28] <Angelus> no
[08:28] <Angelus> i want to use the one i compiled
[08:28] <Angelus> :s
[08:28] <Erwin> but you do have the oppertunity to set up a connection in the 'remote places' do you
[08:29] <BluesKaj> terminal=konsole=cli=commandline interface ...they are all the same the "shell"
[08:29] <seanpcrowe|> Erwin, no... samba just automatically was able to see my network drives...
[08:30] <seanpcrowe|> (but there not mounted, and i think thats the problem of not being able to stream)
[08:31] <arun> !info ttf-dejavu 2.7-2
[08:31] <Angelus> BluesKaj: any help to use the one i compiled?
[08:31] <ubotu> ttf-dejavu: Vera font family derivate with additional characters. In component main, is optional. Version 2.14-2 (feisty), package size 3361 kB, installed size 6280 kB
[08:31] <Erwin> and the're not in fstab/
[08:31] <BluesKaj> Angelus , do you have samba in your /home folder ?
[08:32] <Angelus> samba is installed in /usr/local/samba BluesKaj
[08:32] <seanpcrowe|> fstab Erwin ?
[08:33] <Erwin> open /ets/fstab in an editor and you wil see al your mounted drives
[08:33] <BluesKaj> ok, is there a readme and makefile in /usr/local/samba , Angelus ?
[08:33] <Erwin> i mean ETC/fstab
[08:33] <Angelus> no BluesKaj
[08:33] <BluesKaj> install ?
[08:34] <BluesKaj> file
[08:34] <Angelus> neither
[08:34] <Angelus> this is not the source directory
[08:34] <Angelus> :s
[08:34] <seanpcrowe|> kk Erwin ...
[08:34] <Angelus> its were "make install" installed the files
[08:34] <Angelus> :/
[08:34] <hambobo> how do i set up my keyboard
[08:34] <Erwin> what the $%^^$&%^$& does kk mean
[08:34] <seanpcrowe|> ok...
[08:34] <seanpcrowe|> lol
[08:35] <BluesKaj> Angelus, ./configure wouldbe the first command after compiling
[08:35] <hambobo> when does nosrednaekim go on
[08:35] <Angelus> O_o
[08:35] <Angelus> BluesKaj: ./configure is before compiling -_-
[08:35] <BluesKaj> but you have to be in the samba dir
[08:36] <Angelus> im not understanding you
[08:36] <Angelus> i already did ./configure make and make install
[08:36] <hambobo> how i set my keyboard
[08:36] <hambobo> so i can use slash
[08:36] <BluesKaj> yeah ok, Angelus ...sorry that was a poor choice of words
[08:36] <BluesKaj> after downloading
[08:37] <Angelus> could this be because i installed in /usr/local instead of /usr?
[08:37] <BluesKaj> ok, Angelus ,then you may have to reboot to get the samba daemon to run
[08:37] <tatters> in kubuntu gutsy where is the new gui for X located?
[08:38] <erwin_> sean: Erwin got now erwin_
[08:38] <Angelus> could it be BluesKaj because i installed in /usr/local?
[08:38] <Angelus> :s
[08:38] <zabadapp> hambobo: System Settings -> Regional & Language -> Keyboard Layout
[08:38] <BluesKaj> no Angelus , as long as you were able to config and make etc in the same dir
[08:38] <Angelus> ok
[08:38] <Angelus> i'll give a reboot then
[08:38] <Angelus> brb
[08:39] <hambobo> i using ubuntu
[08:39] <hambobo> nvm got it
[08:39] <sparr> how can i disable the password prompt when returning from standby?
[08:40] <hambobo> i still cant use slash
[08:41] <zabadapp> sparr: maybe change LOCK_SCREEN=true to false in /etc/default/acpi-support
[08:42] <slow-motion> hallo
[08:44] <sparr> zabadapp: that file rocks, thanks!
[08:44] <sparr> zabadapp: so many changes to make
[08:46] <zabadapp> sparr: yes, I know ... POST_VIDEO=false (disable warm boot of video card on resume) was what I needed to get suspend to work at all ...
[08:47] <sparr> zabadapp: my tablet loses stylus support on hibernate, so im going to set hibernate mode to 'platform' so it does a system shutdown
[08:48] <Angelus> BluesKaj: i rebooted but nothing
[08:48] <Angelus> BluesKaj: can i send you a screen shot ?
[08:48] <BluesKaj> Angelus, have you tried running smb4k ?
[08:48] <Angelus> yeah
[08:48] <Angelus> its giving me an error too
[08:48] <Angelus> when i try to mount
[08:49] <zabadapp> sparr: hmm, I have a Wacom Intuous (A5) and it works after resume
[08:49] <Angelus> BluesKaj
[08:49] <zabadapp> sparr: but then I don't use hibernate, only suspend to ram
[08:49] <Angelus> mount error 1 = Operation not permitted
[08:49] <Angelus> Refer to the mount.cifs(8) manual page (e.g.man mount.cifs)
[08:49] <sparr> mine is a serial wacom tablet
[08:49] <sparr> and mine works after suspend (of any sort)
[08:49] <Angelus> thats the error from smb4k
[08:50] <zabadapp> sparr: ok, mine is usb
[08:50] <BluesKaj> Angelus, open konq in file management mode and search/locate samba
[08:51] <sparr> zabadapp: can you tell me what HIBERNATE_MODE is in your acpi-support ?
[08:51] <Angelus> yeah im there BluesKaj
[08:52] <BluesKaj> locate:samba in the address bar
[08:52] <zabadapp> sparr: "shutdown"
[08:52] <sparr> thanks
[08:53] <sparr> im going to see if i can get hibernate working by restarting some 'services'
[08:53] <Angelus> yeah BluesKaj im in samba's directory
[08:53] <Angelus> in /usr/local/samba
[08:54] <sparr> i need to make friends with powertop and get my wakeup count down, my system is burning far too much power
[08:54] <albertmk> Problem: I "apt-get install eclipse" and it is not in my desktop. I have to type "eclipse" on the terminal to open it.
[08:54] <BluesKaj> Angelus, my samba is in /var/lib/samba
[08:54] <sparr> albertmk: have you looked in the menus?
[08:54] <albertmk> sparr: it is not in the menus
[08:55] <albertmk> you mean in K Menu?
[08:55] <sparr> yes
[08:55] <Angelus> BluesKaj: but yours wasnt compiled from source and installed
[08:55] <albertmk> it is not, unfortunately
[08:55] <sparr> so..  add it?
[08:57] <phoenixz> Hi there, when in adept manager, I select "Full upgrade", will it upgrade just upgrade the packages that can be upgraded, or will it also completely upgrade to a new vresion of kubuntu?
[08:57] <BluesKaj> Angelus, why are you so hung up on using a compiled version? ... the latest samba is in the repos and it works well. I use it regualrly with smb4k samba browser
[08:57] <malqos> i have problems with my wifi
[08:58] <Angelus> BluesKaj: its not the latest
[08:58] <Angelus> ;p
[08:58] <malqos> my routher is turn on but my computer dosent see it
[08:58] <malqos> why
[08:58] <Angelus> the latest is .25
[08:58] <malqos> ?
[08:58] <Angelus> in adept itss .24
[09:00] <Biovore> New isn't always better :-)
[09:00] <BluesKaj> the latest isn't necessarily the greatest :)
[09:00] <Biovore> hehe
[09:00] <Biovore> I still use edgy for gaming..  Seems to work better with UT3 then feisty.. :-/
[09:00] <Biovore> (ut2k4)
[09:00] <MaTiAz> That's not UT3 :)
[09:01] <MaTiAz> But UT3 will be released soon, awesomeness
[09:01] <Biovore> yup..
[09:01] <Biovore> I don't know if UT3 for linux will support that fancy physics card yet..
[09:01] <Biovore> But it will take advatage of multicore (smp enabled) linux systems :-)
[09:02] <BluesKaj> Biovore, can Angelus  move a compiled samba app to a differnt dir ...he can't seem to make it work for him in the present dir
[09:02] <Angelus> BluesKaj:  i made uninstall
[09:02] <MaTiAz> lol, physics cards are a pretty dead idea anyway, because the GPU could handle it as well
[09:02] <Angelus> and make clean
[09:02] <Biovore> BluesKaj: is he compile samba from source?
[09:02] <Angelus> BluesKaj:  im configuring it for /usr/local instead of /usr/local/samba
[09:02] <BluesKaj> yes
[09:02] <Biovore> ./configure --prefix=/usr
[09:03] <Biovore> ^ thats where ubuntu/debian puts it..
[09:03] <Biovore> might want to uninstall the distro's version of samba first..
[09:03] <Angelus> im gonna give out a try to /usr/local first
[09:03] <jason_20> hello again guys
[09:03] <jason_20> does anyone know about ubuntu certification?
[09:03] <Biovore> Angelus: you will also need to update your paths so /usr/local/bin/ get searched..
[09:04] <Angelus> how can i do that Biovore?
[09:04] <Biovore> jason_20: Certification is lame..  dosn't mean anything..
[09:04] <Biovore> me points at the all CCNA that can't actualy setup a network..
[09:04] <debian> hi all
[09:05] <Biovore> Angelus: I think its in /etc/profile
[09:05] <Angelus> oh
[09:05] <Angelus> ok
[09:05] <Angelus> also
[09:05] <jason_20> Biovore: i know but i like looking at what sections are needed to be qualified cos it opens my eyes to things I never knew, also being cirtificated can make the difference in a business
[09:05] <Biovore> well I dont look at them personaly..
[09:05] <Angelus> when i tried to remove samba-comon from adept, it was gonna remove kubuntu-desktop too Biovore O_o
[09:05] <Biovore> I seen to many people with them that can't do shit..
[09:06] <Biovore> Angelus: yay.. welcome the hell I call.. virtual packages..
[09:06] <Biovore> kubuntu-desktop is a vitual-package..
[09:06] <jason_20> Biovore: do you think people would pay for ubuntu support, like "hey, your having trouble configuring a driver, let me do it for you..."
[09:06] <Angelus> so i cannot remove samba-common ?
[09:06] <Angelus> :/
[09:07] <Angelus> also can you tell me exacly how can i make /usr/local to get searched?
[09:07] <Angelus> i dont its /etc/profile
[09:07] <Angelus> :/
[09:07] <Biovore> jason_20: Canonical inc   <-- if anyone does certifications.. they would do it..
[09:08] <Biovore> But in the unix world.. Its all about street cred.
[09:08] <debian> im back
[09:08] <jason_20> uh huh
[09:08] <Biovore> Fancy paper this and fancy paper that.. people in know. don't care..
[09:08] <jason_20> yeh
[09:08] <Biovore> Can you and can't you do task <A,B,C>
[09:09] <Biovore> thats what I want know..
[09:09] <Biovore> if an employer isn't asking those questions.. I wouldn't work for them..  Basicly you'll end up as a slave to idiots..
[09:09] <jason_20> yeah exactly
[09:10] <Biovore> Unless your a consultant..
[09:10] <Biovore> Then the money is good enough.. :-)
[09:10] <jason_20> well i'd like to do it myself, self employed, freelance/
[09:10] <jason_20> brb toilet time
[09:10] <debian> . o (toilet time :P )
[09:10] <Biovore> well in consulting it all about your repitation to get things working..
[09:11] <debian> brb coffee time
[09:11] <jason_20> Biovore: do you mind me asking what your job is?
[09:12] <BluesKaj> i've been using firefox and thunderbird, but I'm migrating back konq browser , Kmail is ok but it's graphics are so ugly even for a nonvidually oriented guy like me :) . What are some other email client options besides t-bird and kmail ?
[09:12] <Biovore> Electrical Engineer / Embedded Designer / Telecom data systems / RF communcations.
[09:12] <jason_20> BluesKaj: epiphany
[09:12] <debian> k back
[09:12] <BluesKaj> epiphany eh ?
[09:13] <jason_20> Biovore: cool, Im unemployed at the moment, I was working in the czech republic for a british telecoms company, i was doing sales but sort of got promoted to doing IT work aswell, unfortunatly i had to come back cos my sister has brain cancer.... so now im looking into starting a web based business
[09:13] <zgmf-x20a> hey can someone please help with the 7.04 desktop cd please.  i am trying to run it and it got stuck.  it says" /bin/sh: cant access tty; job control turned off" then under it it says "(initramfs)" and wants me to input something.  what should i do?
[09:13] <jason_20> BluesKaj: epiphany is a lightweight email klient
[09:14] <Biovore> zgmf-x20a: You check the MD5sums on the disk.. sounds a like bad CD..
[09:14] <debian> jason >> ooh what kind if web biz?
[09:14] <tdn> How do I enable Desktop Effects in Kubuntu 7.04?
[09:14] <Biovore> !beryl
[09:14] <ubotu> beryl is a window manager that takes advantage of an OpenGL accelerated X environment. Help in #ubuntu-effects
[09:14] <jason_20> debian: it would be supporting people using windows or ubuntu remotely
[09:14] <zgmf-x20a> Biovore: hey whats up man.  and also, yah i did, i verfied the sum with k3b, i just downloaded it
[09:14] <jason_20> !epiphany
[09:14] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about epiphany - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:14] <debian> . o (wish beryl would work with my card)
[09:15] <debian> jason >> nice
[09:15] <jason_20> debian: what do you do?
[09:15] <Biovore> I have mesesd with it..  I don't realy like beryl... crash and does lot of weird stuff..
[09:15] <debian> jason >> im currently in high school.. its my senior year
[09:15] <debian> i odnt have a job yet
[09:15] <jason_20> Biovore: I agree, eyecandy is for showoffs, ok it is fun, but if you want your pc to work good don't use it
[09:15] <debian> but im looking for something in the comptuer repairing field
[09:16] <Biovore> Not much work there.. unless you work for dell or something..
[09:16] <zgmf-x20a> anyone else have any ideas?
[09:16] <BluesKaj> epiphany is a browser
[09:16] <debian> jason >> are you seeing my posts in PM?
[09:16] <jason_20> BluesKaj:  oh sorry mate i said wrong name.. whats it called...
[09:16] <debian> cause im getting a 505 error in PM
[09:16] <Biovore> !register
[09:16] <ubotu> Information about registering your Freenode nick is at http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#contents-userregistration
[09:16] <debian> jason >> i may have to register
[09:16] <debian> ok
[09:16] <debian> ill register
[09:16] <debian> one minute jaso
[09:17] <jason_20> sorry mate BluesKaj its Syloheed
[09:17] <jason_20> sylpheed*
[09:17] <squarebottle> Does anybody know any decent packages to make adding run commands to the KDE startup as intuitive as possible? As in, via a GUI, sort of like the Sessions tool in regular Ubuntu?
[09:17] <zgmf-x20a> hey can someone please help with the 7.04 desktop cd please.  i am trying to run it and it got stuck.  it says" /bin/sh: cant access tty; job control turned off" then under it it says "(initramfs)" and wants me to input something.  what should i do?
[09:17] <jason_20> debian:  no sorry mate registration is easy peasy tho you just type a command and a password
[09:17] <Biovore> squarebottle: make a script and put it in ~/.kde/Autostart
[09:17] <Biovore> not hard..
[09:18] <debian> brb im gonna register
[09:18] <Angelus> BluesKaj: you dont like Kmail ? :o
[09:18] <runlevelten> there's a startup apps module for control panel, or you can just open ~/.kde/Autostart in konqueror and add things by dragging and dropping them in there#
[09:18] <Biovore> KMail is ok..
[09:18] <andresj> @squarebottle There is a kcontrol module called kcontrol-autostart
[09:18] <ba_kubuntu> andresj: no such message from squarebottle
[09:18] <jason_20> zgmf-x20a:  sorry mate, i would take the advice of gettin a different cd, it should not do that, bad copy likely
[09:18] <andresj> squarebottle There is a kcontrol module called kcontrol-autostart
[09:18] <Angelus> Biovore: you still didnt tell me how to make /usr/local detectable :/
[09:18] <debian> unfiltered on
[09:18] <Biovore> add it to the path in /etc/profile..  I think..
[09:18] <zgmf-x20a> really??  i JUST dled and burnt.  aight ill try again.
[09:18] <Angelus> O_O
[09:18] <squarebottle> andresj: Unfortunately, that plugin doesn't allow the adding of commands with options
[09:19] <jason_20> zgmf-x20a:  try buring at a slower speed
[09:19] <BluesKaj> Kmail is ok, but it's " fugly "
[09:19] <jason_20> BluesKaj:  what about thunderbird?
[09:19] <andresj> oh, then you could create a script to add them as biovore said
[09:20] <Angelus> i see it nice BluesKaj
[09:20] <Angelus> everything in kde is nice
[09:20] <Angelus> :p
[09:20] <runlevelten> thunderbird is ok, but it's less stable and fast, and not so well integrated.
[09:20] <Angelus> Biovore: http://rafb.net/p/LaIp4i30.html where?
[09:20] <runlevelten> and obviously not so featureful.
[09:20] <BluesKaj> I'm moving away from mozilla stuff ..using t-bird now , but I'm going for a change
[09:20] <squarebottle> About that making a script.
[09:20] <Angelus> im not using mozilla anymore
[09:20] <Biovore> Angelus: try the bashrc file..
[09:20] <Angelus> im using konqueror now
[09:20] <jason_20> BluesKaj:  you could go back to terminal mail :P
[09:21] <squarebottle> Any particular tricks to making a script?
[09:21] <BluesKaj> yup, konq is my cuppa tea right now ...fast and clean
[09:21] <jason_20> squarebottle:  im a begginner on scripts one tip, is always start with #/bin/bash or something like that
[09:21] <runlevelten> fast, clean versatile without being memory-hungry.
[09:21] <debian> register debian
[09:21] <Biovore> Angelus: thats not it ether.. 1 sec..
[09:22] <runlevelten> !scripts
[09:22] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about scripts - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:22] <jason_20> debian:  i'll be there to help in a sec
[09:22] <runlevelten> !search shell
[09:22] <squarebottle> I've gotta say, that's kind of a weakness in my opinion. KDE could use a good startup manager.
[09:22] <ubotu> Found: shell, e, uuid, dash, version, ssh, nothing, torrent
[09:22] <jason_20> !registration
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[09:22] <BluesKaj> jason_20, I'm an old windows guy and some habits die hard , if you know what i mean :)
[09:22] <Angelus> yeah BluesKaj its nice because it has a kde look ;p
[09:22] <jason_20> !register
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[09:22] <debian> reigster debian
[09:22] <runlevelten> squarebottle: Um, there is a startup manager
[09:22] <squarebottle> runlevelten: Oh really.
[09:22] <runlevelten> Besides which, I don't use it - who needs a whole app to replace opening .kde/Autostart in konqueror?
[09:22] <runlevelten> That's bloat.
[09:23] <sehe> runlevelten: hear hear
[09:23] <squarebottle> runlevelten: Bloat? Dude, how big is it?
[09:23] <sehe> hi everyone
[09:23] <jason_20> debian: type  msg nickserv register YOURPASSWORD  (but put a / in front)
[09:23] <sehe> squarebottle: bloat is bloat. gradations don't count
[09:23] <runlevelten> open ~/.kde/Autostart in konqueror. If you want to start a particular app in there, drag and drop it into that folder.
[09:24] <runlevelten> You don't need an app to manage that, because it's as easy as pie.
[09:24] <Biovore> Angelus: type "echo $PATH" in a shell..  do you see /usr/local/bin  in that list of paths.. ?  (was in my path here by default)
[09:24] <runlevelten> If you feel you need an app, you can use the kcontrol module.
[09:24] <squarebottle> runlevelten: If it doesn't get in the way and doesn't take up space, yet offers a new level of ease of use, I would call it a good thing.
[09:24] <squarebottle> runlevelten: And the trouble with that is that it doesn't allow you to start it with options.
[09:24] <andresj> squarebottle, you can start with this: http://rafb.net/p/bP4hDp20.html
[09:24] <sehe> squarebottle: some bloated things are Good Things (TM)
[09:24] <Angelus> Biovore: /usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin:/usr/games
[09:25] <Angelus> thats what i have
[09:25] <runlevelten> For system startup, you can use kde's init editor
[09:25] <debian> jason i dont know how to register
[09:25] <debian> i follow there instructions
[09:25] <jason_20> : debian: type  msg nickserv register YOURPASSWORD  (but put a / in front)
[09:25] <debian> but i dont know what to do
[09:25] <debian> nickserv whats that? is it #kubuntu?
[09:25] <Biovore> Angelus: ok so if to install samba based at /usr/local/ it should find it..  Please not you will need to re-write the init script..
[09:25] <jason_20> no just nickserv
[09:25] <dr_Willis> its a bot, thats running on the server
[09:25] <runlevelten> squarebottle: 1. there is nothing easier than a single drag and drop operation, and 2. sure you can start it with options, just edit the dropped app's properties.
[09:25] <squarebottle> Everybody: Who are you all kidding? A graphical startup manager, if you think that's bloat... Have you forgotten what real bloat is? Like, Yahoo Jukebox. That's bloat.
[09:25] <Angelus> which init script Biovore ?
[09:26] <sehe> squarebottle: hehe no topping that one
[09:26] <Biovore> Angelus: /etc/init.d/samba
[09:26] <debian> that didnt work
[09:26] <Angelus> ah
[09:26] <Angelus> ok
[09:26] <Biovore> That starts and stop samba
[09:26] <Biovore> but its for the ubuntu version.. not yours..
[09:26] <runlevelten> squarebottle: You drop the icon, in the folder. To add options, edit the shortcut. You can even drop a whole script or app in there if you want.
[09:26] <squarebottle> runlevelten: And seriously. How many KB would it be, and do you think it would really get in the way? If you really have such a low tolerance for "bloat," then why aren't you using Gentoo or LFS?
[09:26] <runlevelten> What, in the name of all that's logical, do you need to manage about that?
[09:26] <sehe> *morale* bloat means different things to different people. it is, therefore, by definition subjective
[09:27] <Biovore> rgr
[09:27] <Angelus> i dont have a samba script there Biovore?
[09:27] <Angelus> O_O
[09:27] <runlevelten> squarebottle: You've been told there's kcm for your purposes, if that's what you want, then you choose it.
[09:27] <jason_20> copy and paste /msg nickserver register YOURPASSHERE
[09:27] <Biovore> Angelus: you have samba install from the repos?
[09:27] <sehe> *analogy* some like their coffee sweet, some like it dark. it is still coffee and there's no law against either
[09:27] <jason_20> you done it debiani386?
[09:27] <Angelus> no Biovore from there official site
[09:28] <zabadapp> yeah, everyone is familiar with dragging and dropping stuff on the desktop and into folders ... why complicate things?
[09:28] <debiani386> im getting ther ejason
[09:28] <jason_20> lol
[09:28] <jason_20> i was confused too
[09:28] <runlevelten> No, bloat is wrapping a *SINGLE* intuitive drag and drop operation in the GUI with a full-scale app with various widgets.
[09:28] <squarebottle> runlevelten: How do you think KCM compares to the the Sessions thing in GNOME Ubuntu? I prefer KDE myself, but you've got to recognize where other things are better, mate.
[09:28] <sehe> zabadapp: because complicated, again, is a very subjective attribute
[09:28] <debiani386> ok i registered my password
[09:28] <Biovore> Angelus: type "dpkg -l | grep samba" in a shell.  Do you see samba-common
[09:28] <debiani386> or passphrase
[09:28] <jason_20> ok nice one we can PM now
[09:28] <debiani386> typed the exact stuff yiou tole me to type
[09:28] <sehe> debiani386: congrats :D
[09:28] <debiani386> except the "passphrase part"
[09:28] <debiani386> lol sehe
[09:28] <jason_20> debiani386:  well done mate
[09:29] <debiani386> no still didnt work
[09:29] <runlevelten> Sessions in Gnome is better than what exactly?
[09:29] <Angelus> yeah Biovore and i c ouldnt remove that cause it removes kubuntu-desktop too
[09:29] <runlevelten> Oh look, whatever, heh.
[09:29] <squarebottle> runlevelten: It's intuitive. My parents can use it.
[09:29] <jason_20> erm i just typed that in this chat room and made a password up
[09:29] <zabadapp> but I can agree with it being "too easy" ... I was looking for a gui at first
[09:29] <sehe> *observation* funny how much of this boils down to 'mine is bigger than yours'. i haven't heard that in a while
[09:29] <runlevelten> I'd recognise where something is better. 3 radio buttons if you want to manage sessions, 1 drag and drop op to add an app to start up.
[09:30] <sehe> @more ... though I will be hearing some of that when my second child is 18 months or so :D:D:D
[09:30] <Biovore> Angelus: thats fine.. but you don't have a package called "samba" though..  samba-common is just some stuff so the OS can mount samba shares.
[09:31] <Biovore> Angelus: Its not a samba server
[09:31] <Angelus> yeah Biovore, i installed samba myself from source dough
[09:31] <Biovore> Angelus: what was you ./configure line like?
[09:31] <squarebottle> runlevelten: You keep going back to the drag and drop thing. That's great, except not everybody even knows where the applications are in the first place to do that.
[09:31] <runlevelten> squarebottle: Gnome is terrible from a UI design standpoint, and breaks with lots of day 1 rookie understanding of UI design. There are only so many people who can claim their parents are great with it.
[09:31] <Angelus> and now its not giving me errors cause i changed the path to /usr/local Biovore ! :D
[09:31] <debiani386> i cant register it for some reason
[09:31] <debiani386> it wont let me
[09:31] <jason_20> it might be your name
[09:31] <squarebottle> runlevelten: I'm not saying GNOME is better.
[09:31] <jason_20> copy and paste this
[09:31] <runlevelten> squarebottle: Stop gnome trolling. I really don't care. Enjoy whatever you want.
[09:31] <debiani386> debiani386 is not registered when i go to register
[09:31] <sehe> *philosophy* is source dough the stuff that code pie is baked of?
[09:31] <runlevelten> Dialog ends.
[09:31] <Biovore> Angelus: it it complaining it can't fine it's configuration file..
[09:31] <debiani386> i mean i can register
[09:31] <debiani386> but i cant pm
[09:31] <squarebottle> runlevelten: Dude. KDE kicks GNOME's ass.
[09:32] <Angelus> Biovore:  i just had installed the samba /usr/local/samba thats what i had wrong. now that i compiled and installed to /usr/local everything is working fine
[09:32] <squarebottle> runlevelten: But if you don't think there's a competitive relationship between the two that they can both benefit from.. then.. Well..
[09:32] <jason_20> Ahh i see
[09:32] <Biovore> Angelus: ok.. is it working then?
[09:32] <jason_20> do you have skype or gaim?
[09:32] <Angelus> yeah Biovore
[09:32] <Erwin> msg erwin_ register nijntje
[09:32] <debiani386> jason >> im using konversation
[09:32] <debiani386> but i do have gaim
[09:33] <Biovore> bbl
[09:33] <Angelus> ah Biovore
[09:33] <sehe> runlevelten: just admit you fueled it at leat a bit :D I'm with you *and* the others. Think about it: if *everybody* agreed that drag-and-drop was simple enuf, who would *write* the application? That  requires an effort above some critical mass to get done
[09:33] <jason_20> debiani386:  give us one of your accounts for msn or yahoo or aim
[09:33] <Angelus> before you go , what does the /init.d/samba script do ?
[09:33] <debiani386> yahoo : debian_i386
[09:33] <jason_20> debiani386:  thanks mate
[09:33] <squarebottle> runlevelten: I fueled it at least a little bit? Eh?
[09:33] <debiani386> 1 sec let me login to yahoo
[09:33] <debiani386> ok im in
[09:34] <runlevelten> I believe the ability to manage KDE startup exists in all permutations wanted.
[09:35] <sehe> *runlevelten one step close to brahman*
[09:35] <sehe> closer*
[09:35] <squarebottle> runlevelten: I guess, but.. I don't really think I said anything inappropriate or antagonistic here. I just think that the startup is one area that KDE could improve on. And hey, KDE 4 is on the way, so maybe they will!
[09:35] <Ben_Cs> hello
[09:35] <squarebottle> runlevelten: It could be more intuitive.
[09:35] <sehe> Ben_Cs: hello u 2
[09:35] <squarebottle> runlevelten: Dragging and dropping to a *hidden* folder is inherently not intuitive, for the record.
[09:36] <Angelus> BluesKaj:  are you here??
[09:36] <Ben_Cs> i've been using KDE for several days now (been using Gnome before) and i'm loving it!
[09:36] <runlevelten> squarebottle: Good for you. Another app implementing the same thing would be at best redundant, but then KDE isn't about doing things one way and having no choice.
[09:36] <sehe> Ben_Cs: poor thing. here's your channel: #AAA
[09:36] <squarebottle> runlevelten: Agreed. So don't include it in kde-base or kde-core or whatever. Include it in the big, happy meta package.
[09:37] <droach> i want to get into embedded linux development does anyone know any good sites where i can get started
[09:37] <runlevelten> Again though, as far as I'm aware, a kcm exists that does what you ask.
[09:37] <phoenixz> Anybody knows if and when pidgin (new name for Gaim) will be available for kubuntu?
[09:37] <sehe> droach: i don
[09:37] <runlevelten> If a distro packager wants, they can provide a link to the autostart folder anywehere they want to. Yet nobody has done so. :)
[09:38] <sehe> droach: i don't know, but i'm pretty sure this ain't the channel :D I have yet to see embedded ubuntu, let alone kubuntu...
[09:38] <runlevelten> So you know, it can't be that regular a gripe.
[09:38] <dr_Willis> I can honestly say.. i dont have much need for the Autostart dir. :)
[09:38] <droach> im only asking cuz i want to get one of those kbyte zipits and start developing for it
[09:38] <squarebottle> runlevelten: Again though, KCM could certainly be a little bit better. You say that it can deal with options, but I actually was having difficulty with exactly that.
[09:38] <sehe> dr_Willis: me too. I just hitch the ride with ksmserver, which will happily remember the session and serve it up next time.
[09:38] <squarebottle> runlevelten: That's it. I'm not out to get you, dude. :P
[09:38] <dr_Willis> I do find the use of different places for 'trash' with kde/gnome/other disrtos/desktops/filemanagers to be a bit annoying.
[09:39] <sehe> dr_Willis: i don't do mixed desktops, but I reckon there might be a way using (sym)links?
[09:39] <runlevelten> I haven't used the KCM. I've overseen migrations to suse with KDE, and I've never, ever seen anyone have a problem getting their around "open this folder and drop your apps in it"
[09:39] <squarebottle> runlevelten: But they have to ask.
[09:40] <sehe> runlevelten: you could have a courtesy hyperlink to that particular folder?
[09:40] <dr_Willis> sehe,  some of them use different layouts for the trash dir also. :)
[09:40] <sehe> dr_Willis: i feared that, but I never checked. Shame indeed
[09:40] <dr_Willis> then ya got the use of the 'trash' dirs on removeable media.. thats gotten me confused a few times
[09:40] <phoenixz> Anybody knows when the next kubuntu version will be available?
[09:40] <squarebottle> runlevelten: It's not right there. The closer we get to a system where people never even need to ask for help, not even asking Uncle Google, the better. At least, if you're aiming to be intuitive and all that jazz.
[09:40] <runlevelten> Forgive me if I sound a little stubborn however, as I'm whacked out on infection + loads of drugs.
[09:40] <dr_Willis> october is the next release...
[09:40] <sehe> dr_Willis: well that's inherent. I can't think of better ways (look at NTFS on WinNT+, they have the same issues)
[09:41] <squarebottle> runlevelten: Heh heh, understood
[09:41] <sehe> runlevelten: Poor thing. Here's *your* channel: #AAA
[09:41] <sehe> *lol*
[09:41] <runlevelten> squarebottle: I don't know who they're asking, but they work out how to do it without my interaction :)
[09:41] <squarebottle> runlevelten: But to be fair, and I think we can all agree to this... Naming the startup manager "Sessions" is rather unintuitive and certainly... questionable.
[09:42] <dr_Willis> Sessions is perhaps more accurate in ways. :)
[09:42] <sehe> dr_Willis: personally, I don't use trash cans. I use managed backups, and SHIFT+delete as many times as possibel:D
[09:42] <dr_Willis> if its really managing a whole 'session'
[09:42] <squarebottle> runlevelten: More accurate? Yes. More intuitive? No.
[09:42] <squarebottle> er
[09:42] <squarebottle> that was @ dr_Willis.
[09:42] <runlevelten> on the courtesy link... well, let me say "exactly". That's exactly what everyone would be doing if it was a big problem, including me. :)
[09:43] <dr_Willis> intuitive for one.. is not for another. :)
[09:43] <dr_Willis> i dont want to manage what 'starts up' i want to manage the whole 'session', so one named 'startups' would be less intituve.,
[09:43] <runlevelten> KDE uses session management. Startup apps is not session management, tbf.
[09:43] <sehe> dr_Willis: session makes me happy, and I know how it works, without having to drag a single file to any folder at all *ever* --happy blasphemy deleted--
[09:43] <dr_Willis> Go the Windows way. Name it 'My startup and sessions and other usleess eye candy control panel "
[09:43] <squarebottle> runlevelten: Is it a huge problem? No, 'course not. Is there room for improvement as far as being intuitive goes in this particular area? In my opinion yes.
[09:44] <squarebottle> dr_Willis: I think that you'd be able to figure it out still if it was called "Startup Manager" or something like that. ;0
[09:44] <runlevelten> That's where gnome falls short though. Redundant overengineering of features in an attempt at "Usability" that break usability.
[09:44] <dr_Willis> I though there was one named startup-manager
[09:44] <dr_Willis> :)
[09:44] <sehe> *observation* notice, how suddenly, the kids started yelling 'there are 2 sides to the coin' in an attempt to shout it louder than the others
[09:44] <runlevelten> The "Places" menu is the best possible example of that. It may as well be called misc.
[09:45] <dr_Willis> with my desktop 'widgets, and gizmos'
[09:45] <sehe> dr_Willis: go to an 'all-you-can-eat' diner :D
[09:45] <dr_Willis> and a 'things' menu for stuff that dont belong in stuff..
[09:45] <dr_Willis> :)
[09:45] <squarebottle> runlevelten: How about this.
[09:45] <runlevelten> dr_Willis: That's what the Places menu is. They migt as well call it "Oops! we stuffed up removing stuff. Here's some misc leftovers."
[09:45] <sehe> squarebottle: agreed
[09:46] <dr_Willis> 'lost and found' menu item is my fave.
[09:46] <sehe> dr_Willis: really? what do you keep therein hehe
[09:46] <squarebottle> runlevelten: What if we just had it so the KCM does what it already does, but additionally could create and edit a startup script like what you guys proposed to have me do earlier?
[09:46] <dr_Willis> sehe,  'google maps' shortcut. :)
[09:47] <sehe> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Search?go=Go&search=boulimia
[09:47] <squarebottle> runlevelten: Would you call that an improvement to KCM?
[09:47] <runlevelten> Let me install the autostart Kcontrol Module and look at it.
[09:48] <dr_Willis> runlevelten,  thats what i was thinking of. :) i think.... heh
[09:49] <sehe> *analogy* TIMTOWTDI see for example apt: There are at least 5 big, full-feature apt clients. Yet there is also http://www.ubuntu-nl.org/source-o-matic/
[09:49] <sehe> ... in case you want to have a idfferent way to manage repositories
[09:50] <dr_Willis> source-o-matic is an apt client? it was just a sources.list generator last i looked.
[09:50] <runlevelten> I'm not sure I like that idea though, you're creating scripts.. what language? what editor componenuage
[09:50] <sehe> dr_Willis: no - i wrote 2 lines:D
[09:50] <dr_Willis> I just manage mine with a text editor. :)
[09:50] <runlevelten> *componenet etc, why are we wrapping a copy action in an app, etc.
[09:50] <sehe> dr_Willis: i think 90% of us do. Yet the other 10% use adept, synaptic, aptitude, automatix2, http://www.ubuntu-nl.org/source-o-matic/
[09:50] <dr_Willis> lets go back to just using the xlib libraries! yea.!
[09:51] <zgmf-x20a> hey can someone please help with the 7.04 desktop cd please.  i am trying to run it and it got stuck.  it says" /bin/sh: cant access tty; job control turned off" then under it it says "(initramfs)" and wants me to input something.  what should i do?
[09:51] <sehe> xlib? ------------------> ncurses
[09:51] <runlevelten> It's not very unixy, you're duplicating all sorts of really simple stuff in a fairly unnecessary app, it all seems a bit windows/gnome like
[09:51] <zgmf-x20a> ps... reburning it doesnt work....
[09:51] <squarebottle> runlevelten: Up to whoever feels like making it! The people using it wouldn't care. They'd just want an easy GUI to add programs to the startup from one place, with the ability to add options just like a run command.
[09:51] <dr_Willis> Click-and-run! :)
[09:51] <squarebottle> runlevelten: Not very Unixy? Erm. This has nothing to do with posix standards, heh.
[09:51] <word> Hello..when trying to install a package created via checkinstall I get this error - "trying to overwrite `/usr/bin/ld', which is also in package binutils" any ideas?
[09:52] <sehe> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Search?go=Go&search=hit-and-run
[09:52] <zgmf-x20a> hey can someone please help with the 7.04 desktop cd please.  i am trying to run it and it got stuck.  it says" /bin/sh: cant access tty; job control turned off" then under it it says "(initramfs)" and wants me to input something.  what should i do?
[09:52] <runlevelten> If you want to "Make" it though, move your startup to somewhere obvious and non-hidden (Maybe Desktop/STARTUP) and create a link to it called "Startup manager".
[09:52] <sehe> zgmf-x20a: i've heard that error before. Have you googled it?
[09:53] <runlevelten> posix standards unixy? :| try do one thing.
[09:53] <dr_Willis> how often does one add/remove things to the startup anyway? i always ended up with the session manager, startingh extra copies. :)
[09:53] <Biovore> zgmf-x20a: that the initial system tring to mount the CD and startup the live CD OS..  Something is messed with the disk if its not working..
[09:53] <dr_Willis> well bbl
[09:53] <squarebottle> runlevelten: And for the record, having a startup folder and putting links in it... That's what Windows does. :P
[09:53] <sehe> squarebottle: is there a point?
[09:53] <dr_Willis> squarebottle,  windows does it so well - it has 12+ places to 'startup' things! :)
[09:53] <zgmf-x20a> Biovore: it CANT be, i just RE dled the iso, AND re bruned it on a fresh disk
[09:53] <squarebottle> sehe: He accused me of being like Microsoft.
[09:53] <squarebottle> sehe: (and Gnome.)
[09:53] <runlevelten> ...and is also what other OSes had been doing for at least ten years when windows was first released...
[09:53] <dr_Willis> lately that 'startup folder' in windos seems to be the LAST place anything adds itself to get auto-ran at boot.
[09:54] <dr_Willis> off to da store. bye
[09:54] <zgmf-x20a> argh..... looks like im going to have to use the 6.10 disk.... bc that works
[09:54] <sehe> squarebottle: poor you. Here's *your* channel #paranoid
[09:54] <sehe> dr_Willis: most of wich are completely hidden and unmanageable by the user
[09:54] <runlevelten> Heh - "links to apps to autostart" really isn't a windows invention.
[09:54] <runlevelten> :)
[09:54] <squarebottle> sehe: Paranoid? I fail to see the paranoia, lol.
[09:55] <spike_s> hmm Konversation reminds me strongly of Colloquy
[09:55] <spike_s> how odd
[09:55] <spike_s> how are you folks
[09:55] <sehe> he's trying to diminish me by *doing x*... paranoia
[09:55] <squarebottle> runlevelten: No, it isn't, but if you wanted to knock points off my suggestion for being "Windowsy and Gnomey," then... ;)
[09:55] <sehe> runlevelten: would there be a point to *that* then...
[09:56] <sehe> *wisdom* stupider things have been said, but a lot of smarter things have been forgotten
[09:56] <czer323> I like that Kubuntu has many more options.
[09:56] <sehe> spike_s: that depends on the definition of newbie, and further the taste of the test-person
[09:56] <squarebottle> sehe: It's a friendly debate, hehe. Of course he's going after my points. lol
[09:57] <runlevelten> Points? I wasn't... I was only saying how it struck me, it wasn't some kind of ad hominem thing :)
[09:57] <czer323> Though, the amount of options can be somewhat intimidating at first.  but it leaves a lot of room for growth.
[09:57] <spike_s> sehe: they really don't know.. to them computer is computer.. they know WIndows 98/XP basics and that's about it
[09:57] <squarebottle> runlevelten: The only person who said it was ad hominem was sehe. I didn't think you were attacking me.
[09:57] <spike_s> so we'll see
[09:57] <sehe> spike_s: serve them ubuntu, my take on it
[09:57] <squarebottle> runlevelten: I just thought you were... making an observation and accompanying it with a point..
[09:57] <runlevelten> spike_s: I wouldn't say so. What I'd say is try both and see which one strikes you as the most fitting for you.
[09:58] <albertmk> problem: I am configuring my KDesktop and I want more Wallpapers. I opened "Get New Wallpapers" from KDesktop but I want to download all the wallpapers. How can I install all of them "by one click"?
[09:58] <sehe> runlevelten: if you have the time and spike_s: the  'acceptance factor'
[09:59] <albertmk> not by installing one by one, which is bad and takes time!
[09:59] <sehe> spike_s: let's face it, to me gnome is numb, but for the average user, gnome is 20 x win98
[09:59] <runlevelten> windowsy
[09:59] <squarebottle> runlevelten, sehe, and dr_Willis: Anyway, I should get going, comrades. Thanks for the conversation. :)
[09:59] <sehe> squarebottle: have a good one
[10:00] <spike_s> yeah.. I'm thinking Kubuntu though cause I do not want how to do so and so calls in the middle of the night
[10:00] <runlevelten> oops. should have gone in the find widget, duh
[10:00] <runlevelten> later squarebottle
[10:00] <spike_s> I've thought about getting the No Starch Press book "Ubuntu for Non-Geeks" and just sticking with regular Ubuntu though
[10:00] <spike_s> but I am not sure if that book will be necessary or just confuse her more
[10:00] <Endler> Better to have lots of options you don't need at the moment, than missing options for things you'd really like to customize.   Gnome, drives me crazy with its lack of customization options.
[10:00] <sehe> runlevelten: i don't know bout windowsy. To me, KDE is like widnows in keyboard support, rich feature set. I think gnome is easier, and has the 80% features average users want
[10:01] <albertmk> No solution for my question?
[10:01] <albertmk> :-(
[10:01] <spike_s> I'm primarily a Mac OS X user myself though I use XP Pro at work (not my choice)
[10:01] <zgmf-x20a> Biovore: fyi, looked online for abit.  yah its a bug with the 7.04 distro for configurations like mine....  irritating.... lol.  6.10 it is
[10:01] <sehe> Endler: true. The crux is in 'things you'd like to customize'. This parameter varies wildly across the population :D:D
[10:01] <albertmk> spike_s: you should get out of this job right now! :-P
[10:01] <sehe> albertmk: becos?
[10:01] <spike_s> albertmk: what job?
[10:01] <spike_s> I do DSL tech support
[10:01] <spike_s> I hate my job
[10:01] <runlevelten> heh
[10:01] <sehe> albertmk: you offer him a job using linux that pays as much?
[10:02] <albertmk> sehe: that was a joke
[10:02] <spike_s> I need to live in San Diego and make approx $35/hr preferably
[10:02] <sehe> albertmk: uhoh how'd i miss that ROTFL
[10:02] <Endler> I can't imagine how the Gnome devs and believe that they can decide the "one and only best way" for everyone.
[10:02] <spike_s> right now I'm in Shreveport, LA and making $14/hr
[10:02] <albertmk> sehe: you got a very good sense of humor
[10:02] <spike_s> any offers will be seriously considered
[10:02] <spike_s> I've worked in Call Centers and doing Network Engineering and support work for past 7 years
[10:02] <spike_s> :)
[10:03] <spike_s> lol
[10:03] <runlevelten> Endler: I've tangled with them when trying to provide features. Stuff doing that ever again.
[10:03] <sehe> *bows to albertmk*
[10:03] <spike_s> but no joke
[10:03] <runlevelten> They don't like work, and will use any adjectives they can find to spin "unfinished". Bottom line.
[10:03] <Endler> It's too bad, because otherwise I don't mind Gnome.  Gnome with freedom to choose your own options would be pretty good.
[10:04] <sehe> Endler: I honestly think all desktop dev menages should have zealots like that. It makes people care about details. And, of course, all parties are 'wrong'
[10:04] <runlevelten> I don't dislike gnome hugely - and even if I hated gnome, I dislike homogeny and lack of choice more.
[10:04] <albertmk> problem: I am configuring my KDesktop and I want more Wallpapers. I opened "Get New Wallpapers" from KDesktop but I want to download all the wallpapers. How can I install all of them "by one click"? Not by installing one by one, which is bad and takes time.
[10:04] <sehe> Endler: i don't see how you couldn't choose options. It would only prove to be more work at some spots, less in others
[10:05] <dr_Willis> the world will end due to a lack of good wallpapers.. :)
[10:05] <sehe> I like KDE for throwing all features in my face, directly accessible without using the mouse.
[10:05] <sehe> Average joe would despise KDE for that same reason
[10:05] <runlevelten> sehe: agreed.
[10:06] <albertmk> like Katapult?
[10:06] <runlevelten> "Our users are not dummies." ~ a KDE dev who shall remain nameless.
[10:06] <wastedfluid> lol
[10:06] <sehe> runlevelten: of course there are a lot of dummies who haven't found out yet
[10:07] <sehe> albertmk: you could of course donwload them manually and copy them over to the proper directory (once you find it using e.g. slocate)
[10:08] <albertmk> sehe: indeed, but I want to download all of them from KDesktop. That would be great :-)
[10:08] <sehe> very smart people will even realize that desktops should adapt to the task at hand. I prefer gnome when mousing from the couch
[10:08] <hydrogen> thats a gross overgeneralization runlevelten
[10:08] <runlevelten> and it's not just for devs, the average medium-experienced computer user will find lots in KDE to please them.
[10:08] <hydrogen> I've met a lot of kde users that are dummies
[10:08] <Endler> I've set up several "average joes," and they are all just fine with KDE.
[10:08] <Pupeno2> Anyone would like to try to build "Score Reading Trainer" before I release it? so that I know someone else can build it, run it and it basically works... if someone wants to do more testing, you are welcome!
[10:08] <sehe> hydrogen: i'm afraid he knows that...
[10:08] <runlevelten> hydrogen: Me too, heh.
[10:08] <sehe> hydrogen: he tried to warn you of that in the small subsenteces
[10:09] <spike_s> Pupeno2: this is for music?
[10:09] <sehe> Pupeno: yes! as in musical score?
[10:09] <Sir_Lewk> is there an easy way to upgrade to KDE 3.5.7?  Kubuntu seems to currently use 3.5.6
[10:09] <Pupeno2> spike_s: yes.
[10:09] <sehe> Pupeno2: that's just down my ally
[10:09] <Endler> These average joes used to screw up their Windows machines all the time too, and so far in over a year haven't managed to screw up their Linux boxes.
[10:09] <runlevelten> It speaks volumes about developer attitude though. Especially if you spend 5 minutes reading "elsewhere"'s HCI/developer chatter.
[10:09] <Pupeno2> sehe: yes.
[10:09] <spike_s> yes hydrogen, I know about that
[10:10] <sehe> Pupeno2: bring it on!
[10:10] <spike_s> Pupeno2: I'd build it except I have no idea how to build in Kubuntu or if it even comes with devtools installed.. secondly my sound card on this box doesn't work
[10:10] <runlevelten> Speaking of chatter, I'm going to shut up. This lethal cocktail of (prescription) drugs is making me babble.
[10:10] <spike_s> <--- musician
[10:10] <sehe> Pupeno2: is it not your source code?
[10:10] <sehe> !info build-essentials | Pupeno2
[10:10] <ubotu> pupeno2: Package build-essentials does not exist in feisty, feisty-seveas
[10:11] <sehe> !info build-essential | Pupeno2
[10:11] <ubotu> pupeno2: build-essential: informational list of build-essential packages. In component main, is optional. Version 11.3 (feisty), package size 6 kB, installed size 48 kB
[10:11] <sehe> sehe <-- guilty as charged
[10:11] <Pupeno2> spike_s: it doesn't emit any sound yet.
[10:11] <sehe> runlevelten: i hadn't even considered the implications for support :D
[10:12] <sehe> Pupeno2: please can i have it too? Don't need the sound (unless you are gonna make me transcribe a random melody :D))
[10:12] <Endler> Did anyone used to use Gnome in the old days before they decided to videotape a bunch of chimps in a room using Gnome and pull out all options they didn't use?  :)  I heard it used to be customizable once upon a time. :)
[10:12] <Angelus> ah
[10:12] <Angelus> sehe:
[10:12] <Angelus> does ktorrent have a sheduler
[10:12] <Angelus> ?
[10:12] <Angelus> O_o
[10:12] <sehe> Endler: that's one outrageous saga. Wonder if it could be true ........
[10:13] <sehe> Angelus: *whistle* did I mention I use bittornado (command line)?
[10:13] <sehe> Pupeno2: yeah
[10:13] <Angelus> dunno
[10:13] <Angelus> lol
[10:13] <Endler> Isn't that what they do in all their usibility studies?
[10:13] <sehe> Angelus: *hint* It could just be I did *hehe*
[10:14] <Pupeno2> http://files.pupeno.com/ScoreReadingTrainer-0.1.4.tar.bz2
[10:14] <sehe> Endler: I haven't been in one, so.... could still be verified
[10:14] <runlevelten> It did. If you pick through the sources and changes over the years, there's usually a bunch of features that have been disabled - apparently because they needed porting or fixing.
[10:14] <runlevelten> Oops - for usability improvements.
[10:14] <sehe> heh
[10:14] <sehe> hehe*
[10:15] <romml> schnen guten abend allerseits
[10:15] <spike_s> Pupeno2: do you compile stuff using gcc at the command line in Kubuntu?
[10:15] <runlevelten> guten abend romml
[10:15] <runlevelten> !de
[10:15] <ubotu> Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de
[10:15] <sehe> Pupeno2: .configure ok
[10:16] <Pupeno2> spike_s: yes.
[10:16] <sehe> Pupeno2: make ok
[10:16] <Endler> Does anyone think KDE 4.0 will be usable on release in Oct?  I tried the beta, and it has a long way to go in just two months.
[10:16] <romml> danke runlevelten
[10:16] <spike_s> does Kubuntu come with gcc?
[10:16] <sehe> spike_s:  not out of the box
[10:16] <spike_s> that's weird
[10:16] <sehe> !info build-essential | Pupeno2
[10:16] <ubotu> pupeno2: build-essential: informational list of build-essential packages. In component main, is optional. Version 11.3 (feisty), package size 6 kB, installed size 48 kB
[10:16] <Pupeno2> spike_s: I think you have to install it afterwards.
[10:16] <sehe> !info build-essential | spike_s
[10:16] <ubotu> spike_s: build-essential: informational list of build-essential packages. In component main, is optional. Version 11.3 (feisty), package size 6 kB, installed size 48 kB
[10:16] <sehe> sorry
[10:17] <spike_s> how tiny
[10:17] <Erwin> does anyone have any experience with kubuntu on the new imac?
[10:17] <sehe> spike_s: it's called a meta-package
[10:17] <spike_s> I think I'll not install that for now.. not until I'm ready
[10:17] <sehe> spike_s: contains dependencies to drag in the troops
[10:17] <sehe> spike_s: it doesn't eat sillicium while it sits around waiting for you :D
[10:17] <spike_s> I'm still trying to understand why Adept Package Manager will not run properly
[10:18] <spike_s> it says there are 26 updates avail but when I click it to open it I put in my root password and then it says it's already running
[10:18] <spike_s> which is stupid
[10:18] <sehe> Pupeno2: nice it was in the KDE menu after 'make install'
[10:18] <sehe> spike_s: unless.... it is already running
[10:18] <Pupeno2> sehe: Excellente!
[10:18] <spike_s> Erwin the aluminum and glass iMac??
[10:19] <Pupeno2> spike_s: maybe you have something else running that is using the apt backend.
[10:19] <spike_s> how does one take a screenshot in KDE?
[10:19] <sehe> !ksnapshot | spike_s
[10:19] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ksnapshot - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[10:20] <sehe> !info ksnapshot | spike_s
[10:20] <ubotu> spike_s: ksnapshot: screenshot utility for KDE. In component main, is optional. Version 4:3.5.6-0ubuntu4 (feisty), package size 172 kB, installed size 432 kB
[10:20] <spike_s> Pupeno2: the only things I'm running are Konqueror, Kopete, and Konversation, and that wallet thing in the tray
[10:20] <Pupeno2> spike_s: ksnapshot or print screen.
[10:20] <sehe> Pupeno2: ok i got the hang of it.
[10:20] <Pupeno2> spike_s: there are many things running in the back.
[10:21] <Pupeno2> spike_s: what is exactly the error message?
[10:21] <runlevelten> bitte, btw.
[10:22] <sehe> Pupeno2: i'll pms a link to the screenshot
[10:22] <BluesKaj> hmm, well i have kmail configured and working but it's missing in the k-menu
[10:22] <sehe> !paste-bin | spike_s
[10:22] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about paste-bin - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[10:22] <sehe> !pastebin | spike_s
[10:22] <ubotu> spike_s: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[10:22] <spike_s> Database Locked - Adept Updater
[10:22] <spike_s> Another process is using the packaging system database
[10:22] <spike_s> etc etc
[10:22] <BluesKaj> !adeptfix
[10:22] <ubotu> If Adept crashed on you and your database is locked, try this in konsole:  sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a 
[10:23] <sehe> spike_s: it probably means you have a job running (e.g. in a shell) that locks it (apt-get, adept, synaptic, aptitude, dpkg the whole mess)
[10:23] <sehe> BluesKaj: ooo nice one for in my own factoids
[10:24] <spike_s> so that is setting up a bunch of packages that I tried to install previously
[10:24] <sehe> Pupeno2: Trust me, easy 123 install. KDE 3.5.6, heavy dev machine (many libs / dev headers installed)
[10:24] <sehe> Pupeno2: is there any way i can enter notes using a keyboard (pc or midi)?
[10:25] <sehe> Pupeno2: i'm developing carpal tunnel syndrome already
[10:25] <sehe> spike_s: completing the config steps for any incompleted installs (postbuild scripts)
[10:25] <Pupeno2> sehe: Thank you.
[10:26] <BluesKaj> yeah, keep the lil black book text file with common fixes on the desktop
[10:26] <Pupeno2> sehe: midi is not available yet, there's a patch somewhere for that and I'm rewritting the whole thing with midi in mind.
[10:26] <sehe> Pupeno2: any chance on PC keyboard input?
[10:26] <Pupeno2> sehe: what do you mean by pc keyboard?
[10:26] <sehe> Pupeno2: I could set the high score :D Not using the mouse
[10:26] <adenicio> how do i see my actual speed that im connected?
[10:26] <sehe> Pupeno2: erm.... the one I assume you are typing on right now?
[10:27] <Pupeno2> sehe: that's already working. the home row works as a piano.
[10:27] <sehe> adenicio: a number of online tools. For wifi, see iwconfig -v
[10:27] <sehe> Pupeno2: thanks, i needed the hint :(
[10:28] <Pupeno2> sehe: it's standard kde shortcuts, so you can re-assing them.
[10:28] <spike_s> ok now it seems to be downloading the updates, wonderful
[10:28] <Erwin> spike_s: yeah the aluminium one
[10:29] <Pupeno2> sehe: thank you for the screenshot! :)
[10:29] <sehe> Pupeno2: smart solution :D clever from the dev viewpoint. Think accelerator, not input event :D
[10:29] <Pupeno2> sehe: thanks :)
[10:30] <spike_s> Erwin: from what I know it should run it fine, it's just yet another Core2 Mac system like all the others
[10:30] <sehe> Pupeno2: is there a way to extend the range? Bit unintuitive, if a  follows c' that i have to jump to a' (somewhere around 'k' key)
[10:30] <spike_s> some of the drives may need to be updated since it has a different keyboard and hard drive controller (SATA II)
[10:30] <sehe> Pupeno2: put it in your scrapbook, or maybe on the site (is there any?)
[10:30] <Pupeno2> sehe: I don't follow, extend which range? the notes? yes, in the configuration dialog.
[10:30] <Pupeno2> sehe: there's a site: http://scret.sf.net
[10:30] <spike_s> overall it's the same hardware wise as the previous model, just a different chip, runs colder and is thinner due to construction materials.
[10:31] <Pupeno2> brb
[10:31] <sehe> Pupeno2: i'll see you in private message - this is flooding the channel
[10:31] <erwin_> spike_s: i also thought so, the only thing i a bit concerned of is the ati grapics card
[10:31] <spike_s> the WiFi probalby supports N out of the box but so did the other one with the updater
[10:31] <spike_s> erwin_: ahh, jes.. ATI drivers suck sometimes
[10:32] <erwin_> i hope ican try it out the end of t his year. i'm now just checking out if people alrady have any experience
[10:33] <erwin_> erwin_:check
[10:33] <sehe> erwin_:checkmate
[10:34] <sehe> !ati | erwin_
[10:34] <ubotu> erwin_: To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[10:34] <erwin_> damn
[10:34] <erwin_> thanx
[10:39] <sehe> Pupeno2: since everybody is on mute, let's amuse them with more ScoreReadingTrainer spam
[10:39] <sehe> Pupeno2: can I be a dev? Also, how does this relate to e.g. GNU solfege?
[10:40] <syst> hello
[10:40] <sehe> Pupeno2: i'd like to (1) set automatic scroll speed (just drop the missed notes) (2) set an exercise length (3) keep score stats (uploadable?)
[10:40] <sehe> hi syst
[10:41] <sehe> Pupeno2: after adding more keyboard shortcuts (below D and above L) i could get a reasonable speed going
[10:41] <syst> may i ask a question?
[10:41] <sehe> !ask | syst
[10:41] <ubotu> syst: Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[10:41] <syst> I NEED INFO ABOUT KWIN
[10:41] <sehe> !info kwin | syst
[10:41] <ubotu> syst: kwin: the KDE window manager. In component main, is optional. Version 4:3.5.6-0ubuntu20.2 (feisty), package size 1025 kB, installed size 3328 kB
[10:41] <syst> KWIN COMPOSITE
[10:41] <sehe> syst: any thing in particular?
[10:42] <sehe> syst: kwin != composite. If you want composite, use beryl or compiz
[10:42] <sehe> !composite | syst
[10:42] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about composite - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[10:42] <tsdgeos> although kwin will have composite in the future
[10:42] <sehe> !compiz | syst
[10:42] <ubotu> syst: Compiz (compositing window manager) and XGL (X server architecture layered on top of OpenGL) - Howto at http://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager - Help in #ubuntu-effects
[10:42] <sehe> tsdgeos: good call. i didn't know that yet
[10:43] <syst> thank you
[10:43] <tsdgeos> sehe: http://youtube.com/results?search_query=kwin&search=Search
[10:43] <tsdgeos> it's quite cool
[10:43] <tsdgeos> well
[10:43] <tsdgeos> it's basically what compiz does
[10:43] <tsdgeos> but with kwin godess
[10:44] <sehe> *give me a godess any day*
[10:44] <syst> yes i know but with me it doesn't work
[10:44] <syst> and i have anything do
[10:44] <sehe> syst: it's certainly not kubuntu supported yet :) so either #off-topic or #ubuntu+1...
[10:44] <sheldonc> anybody run a RAID setup?
[10:44] <syst> it'a a problem of config
[10:44] <sehe> sheldonc: have run why?
[10:45] <sheldonc> sehe: did you notice a difference in boot time?
[10:45] <BluesKaj> kmail is missing from the k-menu ...didn't notice it before cuz i was using thunderbird ... any ideas how to find the icon ..it's installed
[10:45] <sheldonc> I am interested in striping, but only if it pays off in improved load times
[10:45] <syst> sorry anybody i must go....it's my child
[10:45] <syst> goodbye
[10:45] <syst> and thanks
[10:45] <sehe> sheldonc: only with IDE fakeraid. It uses BIOS support, but the bois is onchip in the PCI card. It requires some 20 to 60 seconds to load, and scan the drives for arrays
[10:46] <sehe> syst: bye
[10:46] <sehe> sheldonc: if you use software raid (see dmraid) i believe you can bypass the array detectioin by hard-confiuring the array indexes and offsets. Hairy, but it could speed up the detection
[10:46] <Pupeno2> sehe: sure you can be a dev!
[10:46] <sheldonc> sehe: any idea what % ? ( yes i have googled, im having a hard time finding good data in desktop usage)
[10:47] <sehe> %? as in speed improvement?
[10:47] <Pupeno2> sehe: those features you mention are indeed very useful!
[10:47] <Pupeno2> sehe: there's no relationship to gnu solfege.
[10:47] <sehe> Pupeno2: it's the logical way forward. Pupils like feedback - tutors like a progress measure/target
[10:48] <Pupeno2> sehe: indeed!
[10:48] <sehe> Pupeno2: doesn't solfege offer this kind of exercise?
[10:48] <sheldonc> sehe: yeah, like in theory twice the speed, but i see numbers  saying 30% is more realistic. In general usage of X and KDE, I'm concerned the difference won't be noticable. Not noticable == not worth doing ;)
[10:48] <Pupeno2> sehe: I was working on a version 0.2.0 which had training programs that can be described in XML. But I never got far with it.
[10:49] <Pupeno2> sehe: then I started to play with writting it using other languages and toolkits.
[10:49] <valentin13_> french room pls
[10:49] <sehe> sheldonc: if you are afraid: don't go there (it *is* hairy)
[10:50] <sehe> sheldonc: you might get a sense of it, by counting actual seconds *after* RAID bios init, and before array detection
[10:50] <malqos> how can i remove driver?
[10:50] <sehe> !fr | valentin13_
[10:50] <ubotu> valentin13_: Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.
[10:50] <sehe> roomservice :)
[10:50] <malqos> in ndiswrapper
[10:50] <sehe> malqos: can you be more specific?
[10:51] <sehe> malqos: in general, you might try 'sudo apt-get remove ndiswrapper-common' be very careful though, because ndis is in default kernel. Make sure you don't uninstall the kernel accidentally
[10:52] <valentin13_> ty
[10:52] <Pupeno> sehe: if another program offers this kind of training, I wasn't aware of it. I starting writting this program many, many years ago.
[10:52] <sehe> sheldonc: the low-tech thing to do is (1) get coffee while booting (2) standby instead of shutdown (3) go visit a friend who's using windows
[10:53] <malqos> i try to  instal driver for wifi -bcmwl5, but something goes not ok and i would like to intall new one
[10:53] <malqos> but when i try it
[10:53] <malqos> malqos@malqos-laptop:~$ sudo ndiswrapper -i ~/home/malqos/Desktop/nowe/bcmwl5.inf driver bcmwl5 is already installed
[10:53] <malqos> so  i will try  this what sehe told
[10:53] <sehe> malqos: i'd say ndiswrapper --help
[10:54] <sehe> malqos: try ^^ first !!! lower risks
[10:54] <malqos> ok
[10:54] <malqos> :)
[10:54] <malqos> easy
[10:54] <sehe> malqos: ndiswrapper-common
[10:54] <sehe> malqos: -r driver        remove 'driver' (sorry for mistyped)
[10:54] <malqos> could you write  whole?
[10:54] <sehe> yup: whole
[10:55] <sehe> (sorry)
[10:55] <malqos> i will just copy
[10:55] <malqos> i have problem witj  bcmwl5
[10:55] <sehe> malqos: sudo ndiswrapper -r bcmwl5
[10:55] <malqos> ok
[10:55] <malqos> nothing happend
[10:56] <malqos> i dont  see any results
[10:56] <sehe> malqos: as in: no message? you don't know whether nothing happened, unless you recieve the same message on reinstall
[10:56] <malqos> ok
[10:56] <sehe> malqos: many linux tools employ the 'no news is good news' policy, because it works well with piping,loggin
[10:56] <malqos> so  i  will  restart computer
[10:57] <sehe> malqos: ? you are welcome to, but I don't see the need
[10:57] <malqos> :)
[10:57] <malqos> ok
[10:58] <sehe> malqos: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/35045/
[10:59] <sehe> malqos: sorry ****, he actually went and did a reboot? omg
[11:00] <adenicio> how to take pic of the desktop?
[11:00] <jerome_> salut a tous
[11:00] <sehe> ksnapshot
[11:00] <sehe> ~fr | jerome_
[11:00] <adenicio> shortcut if possi
[11:00] <sehe> adenicio: printscreen :D
[11:01] <sehe> !info ksnapshot | adenicio
[11:01] <ubotu> adenicio: ksnapshot: screenshot utility for KDE. In component main, is optional. Version 4:3.5.6-0ubuntu4 (feisty), package size 172 kB, installed size 432 kB
[11:01] <sehe> ^^ optional ^^
[11:01] <sehe> !fr | jerome_
[11:01] <ubotu> jerome_: Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.
[11:01] <jerome_> thx ;)
[11:01] <sehe> au-revoir a toi :D
[11:01] <adenicio> sehe: aint there a shortcut to capture?
[11:01] <sehe> adenicio: printscreen
[11:02] <sehe> adenicio: but, to spell it out (i'm lazy, i know) you have to have ksnapshot installed
[11:02] <adenicio> sehe: how do i pres that on the keyboard?
[11:03] <malqos> sehe: this driver is still  there
[11:03] <malqos> and when i write: ndiswrapper -l
[11:03] <PartProblem> Hi, I'm in a live CD session and I have a problem mounting my old partition.
[11:03] <malqos> i get: drivername : invalid driver!
[11:03] <malqos> what can i  do?
[11:04] <sehe> adenicio: start scanning the keys from top left, row by row to bottom right. The one that says 'printscreen' (or 'prt scr'), PRESS IT
[11:04] <sehe> PartProblem: tell me
[11:04] <spike_s> does Kopete use the gaim engine?
[11:04] <sehe> malqos: I honestly don't know. For broadcom drivers, try fwcutter!!! (feisty assumed)
[11:04] <sehe> !find fwcutter | malqos
[11:04] <ubotu> malqos: Found: bcm43xx-fwcutter
[11:05] <sehe> !info bcm43xx-fwcutter | malqos
[11:05] <ubotu> malqos: bcm43xx-fwcutter: Utility for extracting Broadcom 43xx firmware. In component universe, is optional. Version 1:006-1 (feisty), package size 24 kB, installed size 116 kB
[11:05] <PartProblem> !find mountlivecd
[11:05] <ubotu> Package/file mountlivecd does not exist in feisty
[11:05] <sehe> PartProblem: tell me the problem ? I think i'll be able to help in a jiffy
[11:05] <PartProblem> I've lost a partition to fsck.
[11:05] <malqos> where can i find it?
[11:06] <PartProblem> It made all my files into two large files, I'm trying to access some code I wrote inside them.
[11:06] <sehe> malqos: apt-get
[11:06] <PartProblem> The files aren't mounting in /dev/sda2
[11:06] <sehe> PartProblem: ok, so you don't actually want to mount the partition as is, but want to do recovery
[11:06] <PartProblem> Yes, I'd like to access it.
[11:07] <sehe> Well , what exactly is went wrong (I can't get 'lost to fsck' to make sense yet)
[11:07] <|Angelus|> sehe: :o
[11:07] <|Angelus|> sehe: :o
[11:08] <sehe> PartProblem: if the drive is actually corrupted, there is no (reliable) way to mount it without the problems
[11:08] <|Angelus|> on Ktorrent the speed got fast as hell
[11:08] <|Angelus|> so it was with utorrent the problem i think
[11:08] <|Angelus|> O_o
[11:08] <sehe> |Angelus|: way to go
[11:08] <PartProblem> I was using ntfs3g and an equivalent windows package I found through sourceforge to write between partitions, I booted linux and it failed file system check, fsck suggested moving files so I did.
[11:08] <malqos> sehe: look at this: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/35047/
[11:08] <malqos> i really dont know what i can do
[11:08] <PartProblem> Then I used another pc to access the filesystem and the old stuff was gone, replaced by two large files.
[11:09] <Dave132> if i update ubuntu, does it also update kubuntu, or do i also have to run update on kubuntu?
[11:09] <sehe> PartProblem: sorry to break it to you, but mounting will not help you. The drive is corrupt. You could google some fs recovery tools. I'm sure they exist. No guarantees though
[11:10] <sehe> Dave132: there is no distinction.
[11:10] <PartProblem> :(
[11:10] <sehe> malqos: that sucks. seems the repo hit a dead link
[11:10] <PartProblem> Ok...
[11:10] <Dave132> sehe thanks
[11:10] <PartProblem> Thanks so much sehe...
[11:10] <PartProblem> Guess It's gone :(
[11:10] <bjwebb> hi, is it possible to set insterted disks to always mount with certain permissions (e.g. read/write for everyone)
[11:10] <sehe> malqos: you may try to get a different mirror for universe, and 'apt-get update' and retry
[11:11] <sehe> PartProblem: be sure to check package for recovery. I don't know them, but if the data is worth it, you should try recovery
[11:11] <malqos> so maybe i will  try to do this what you sugested on the beggining?
[11:11] <sehe> bjwebb: yes. Easiest tool: pysdm
[11:11] <sehe> !info pysdm | bjwebb
[11:11] <ubotu> bjwebb: pysdm: Graphical Storage Device Manager. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.4-1ubuntu2 (feisty), package size 26 kB, installed size 280 kB
[11:11] <malqos> to delete this bcwl5?
[11:12] <sehe> malqos: I can try to find the deb package for fwcutter in my apt cache
[11:12] <bjwebb> sehe: thanks
[11:12] <malqos> that would be great
[11:12] <sehe> malqos: that's always an option. You missed my link? <malqos> sehe: look at this: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/35047/
[11:12] <bjwebb> sehe: could i use that once to have it remeber the settings?
[11:13] <sehe> bjwebb: note that pysdm is (almost) merely a gui wrapper around editing fstab
[11:13] <bjwebb> ah okay
[11:13] <sehe> bjwebb: yes, because it saves the cahnges to fstab, and you can even make generic rules for portable devices
[11:13] <bjwebb> sehe: hmm is there likely to already be a generic rule for portable devices in fstab?
[11:14] <malqos> could you write me again the same? and we will see
[11:14] <sehe> bjwebb: honestly, i don't think (but i might be wrong) the generic rules are in fstab.
[11:14] <sredna> how do i get a simple application that can scale an image installed in kubuntu?
[11:14] <sredna> nothing seems to be installed pr default
[11:14] <sehe> !info imagemagick | sredna
[11:15] <ubotu> sredna: imagemagick: Image manipulation programs. In component main, is optional. Version 7:6.2.4.5.dfsg1-0.14ubuntu0.1 (feisty), package size 721 kB, installed size 3156 kB
[11:15] <sehe> sredna: gwenview and digikam are installed default (i think)
[11:15] <sredna> convert does not have a manual
[11:15] <sredna> gwenview can't appearently scale an image, i have digikam but the image in question is not in the digikam collections
[11:15] <sehe> sredna: yes it does: man convert
[11:16] <adenicio> sehe: snapshot peu pa prend une photo du video sur kafein?
[11:16] <sredna> kubuntu has a broken install of digikam, the showfoto app is missing btw
[11:16] <sehe> sredna: 'man:/convert' in konqueror
[11:16] <sehe> adenicio: no.
[11:16] <sredna> sehe: the manual is defunkt, it misses all the data
[11:16] <sehe> !find recorder | adenicio
[11:16] <ubotu> adenicio: Found: ksimus-datarecorder, libhttp-recorder-perl, sound-recorder
[11:16] <adenicio> sehe: why?
[11:16] <sredna> that is in some HTML file one has to find :(
[11:16] <sehe> adenicio: shit - it's not there
[11:17] <adenicio> sehe: i dont want to record a video just a pic
[11:17] <adenicio> ill do it with vlc
[11:17] <sehe> adenicio: ah good (*call off the search!!!!*)
[11:18] <sehe> sredna: nope. or yes: find it at 'man:/convert' :)
[11:19] <sehe> malqos: i'm firing up my laptop. i must have it there
[11:19] <malqos> ok
[11:19] <malqos> im waiting
[11:19] <malqos> thanks
[11:21] <sehe> malqos:  damn the source is gone. (.deb) i only have the installed libs + bin
[11:21] <BluesKaj> !K Menu
[11:21] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about k menu - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:21] <neptunepink> After I've compiled a program from source, should I run sudo checkinstall?
[11:21] <sehe> ermmm...
[11:21] <sehe> neptunepink: what does that do.
[11:22] <BluesKaj> !K-Menu
[11:22] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about k-menu - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:22] <neptunepink> !kmenu
[11:22] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about kmenu - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:22] <sehe> neptunepink: so ... no
[11:22] <malqos> ok so i will try to do this what you suggested on  the beggining
[11:22] <BluesKaj> !info-K-Menu
[11:22] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about info-k-menu - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:22] <sehe> BluesKaj: is there anything you'd like to ... ask?
[11:22] <malqos> could you write this  one more time?
[11:22] <sehe> malqos: ? write what ?
[11:22] <andreas_> hi
[11:22] <andreas_> anybody german?
[11:23] <sehe> here goes: malqos:  damn the source is gone. (.deb) i only have the installed libs + bin
[11:23] <sehe> !de | andreas_
[11:23] <ubotu> andreas_: Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de
[11:23] <malqos> to delete this driver bcmwl5
[11:23] <BluesKaj> well , I don't like to repeat myself , but I have installed apps missing frokm the k-menu, sehe.
[11:23] <sehe> malqos: sudo ndiswrapper -r bcmwl5
[11:23] <andreas_> anyone german and can help me now?
[11:24] <sredna> sehe: in konqueror, the address of the HTML file containing the convert manual is linked, but there is no man page describing the options of the convert program, so reading it in a terminal is a PITA. Which is a problem delivered by imagemagick, not (k)ubuntu or debian. the defunct digikam installation is kubuntu or debian specific.
[11:24] <sredna> but hey, at least i got my image scaled :)
[11:24] <sehe> BluesKaj: i haven't heard you say that before :) Ok, if you want to cross examine the bot, /query ubotu :)
[11:24] <spike_s> I wish I was in germany about now.. could find a hot date
[11:24] <malqos> not this, when i try this nothig happend
[11:24] <spike_s> lol, but I'm not, nor do I speak german :(
[11:24] <sehe> sredna: congrats! What with?
[11:25] <malqos> you told me something about remove close to kernel
[11:25] <sredna> sehe: convert, after using konqueror.
[11:25] <malqos> and that i should be carfull
[11:25] <malqos> with this
[11:25] <sehe> malqos: oh that. don't go there. it was bad advice
[11:25] <malqos> ok
[11:25] <sehe> malqos: in general, you might try 'sudo apt-get remove ndiswrapper-common' be very careful though, because ndis is in default kernel. Make sure you don't uninstall the kernel accidentally
[11:26] <malqos> ok
[11:26] <malqos> i trying
[11:26] <sehe> malqos: but be very careful. Also, if your NDIS driver is 'bad', this won't help. If you plan on using fwcutter, you don't need to remove it. So what's the point?
[11:26] <malqos> we will se
[11:26] <malqos> :)
[11:26] <andreas_> nobody? ok...then i will try to explain you my problem with my awful english...ok: i cant open my cd-drive with the buttons...is there an other way to open them?
[11:26] <malqos> ok
[11:27] <malqos> so im looking this file
[11:27] <sehe> sredna: did you find the HTML man page using the konqueror link? That trick works for any package. Say, konqueror 'man:/sudo' e.g.
[11:27] <sehe> andreas_: I do speak german a little, but we can't on this channel. (see above)
[11:27] <sehe> andreas_: if you register, we can private message.
[11:28] <andreas_> com eon please help me
[11:28] <sehe> !register | andreas_
[11:28] <ubotu> andreas_: Information about registering your Freenode nick is at http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#contents-userregistration
[11:28] <sehe> andreas_: cdeject command line tool
[11:28] <andreas_> !register | sehe_
[11:28] <ubotu> sehe_: Information about registering your Freenode nick is at http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#contents-userregistration
[11:28] <andreas_> -.-
[11:28] <sehe> andreas_: sudo apt-get install cdtool
[11:29] <sehe> andreas_: i'm sure you can use konqueror, by browsing 'media:/' and rightclick the drive
[11:29] <PartProblem> SH... I can't mount the filesystem even though I can find it.
[11:30] <PartProblem> I want to mount a filesystem which has become corrupted, it says it's not in my fstab.
[11:30] <sehe> PartProblem: so the fs is corrupt. (or specify 'find it')
[11:31] <andreas_> no
[11:31] <malqos> sehe: i found something here: http://packages.ubuntu.com/cgi-bin/download.pl?arch=i386&file=pool%2Funiverse%2Fb%2Fbcm43xx-fwcutter%2Fbcm43xx-fwcutter_20060108-6build1_i386.deb&md5sum=a86e66aba8afc1a7ba1c872ae4192a57&arch=i386&type=main,  download it and right now install
[11:31] <sehe> PartProblem: possibly, the fstab uses the UUID instead of /dev/sda2 to identify the drive. If the uuid has been corrupted, it won't mount
[11:31] <malqos> how can i check that everything is ok?
[11:31] <sehe> malqos: good news
[11:31] <PartProblem> It's not even in fstab.
[11:31] <PartProblem> None of my partitions are.
[11:31] <sehe> PartProblem: you are on live-cd now?
[11:31] <andreas_> !register | sehe
[11:31] <ubotu> sehe: Information about registering your Freenode nick is at http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#contents-userregistration
[11:31] <PartProblem> I am :(
[11:31] <andreas_> how can i register somebody? sorry...my first time in irc
[11:32] <sehe> PartProblem: that makes sense. Nothing is in fstab
[11:32] <sehe> !mount | PartProblem
[11:32] <ubotu> PartProblem: Partitioning programs: !GParted or QTParted (also "man mkfs" for formatting) - Mounting partitions in Kubuntu, go to System Settings -> Advanced Tab -> Disks & Filesystem. See also !fstab and !DiskMounter
[11:32] <|Angelus|> sehe: 90kB/s O_o
[11:32] <sehe> PartProblem: you can sudo mkdir ~/sda2; sudo mount /dev/sda2 ~/sda2
[11:33] <sehe> |Angelus| are you trying to get me to slow down typing HAHAHAHAHA
[11:33] <Angelus> lol!!
[11:33] <sehe> !register | andreas_
[11:33] <ubotu> andreas_: Information about registering your Freenode nick is at http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#contents-userregistration
[11:33] <sehe> click the link for info
[11:33] <Angelus> my bad sehe
[11:33] <sehe> bad?! fun!
[11:33] <andreas_> thx
[11:33] <Angelus> yeah!
[11:34] <Angelus> brb getting my girl to sleep
[11:34] <PartProblem> sudo mount gives me the error saying it's not found in fstab.
[11:34] <PartProblem> Itshows up in Qparted.
[11:35] <sehe> PartProblem: you can sudo mkdir ~/sda2; sudo mount /dev/sda2 ~/sda2
[11:35] <sehe> PartProblem: read it *proper*?
[11:35] <malqos> sehe:done, what now?
[11:35] <sehe> 'sudo mount dev ' versus 'mount dev MOUNTPOINT'
[11:35] <sehe> malqos: installed? or just downloaded
[11:36] <malqos> installed
[11:36] <malqos> but its not the latest version
[11:36] <sehe> it should have asked you to run a config (cut firmware) during install?
[11:36] <andreas_> too stupid to register...
[11:36] <andreas_> should i see the drives with conquerer?
[11:36] <PartProblem> !mount
[11:36] <ubotu> Partitioning programs: !GParted or QTParted (also "man mkfs" for formatting) - Mounting partitions in Kubuntu, go to System Settings -> Advanced Tab -> Disks & Filesystem. See also !fstab and !DiskMounter
[11:36] <malqos> when i try to downoad the latest version i see the same error that i showed you
[11:37] <PartProblem> !DiskMounter
[11:37] <ubotu> To view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions - See also !fuse
[11:37] <sehe> andreas_: turns out, no. Perhaps under /media/
[11:37] <PartProblem> !fuse
[11:37] <ubotu> FUSE (Filesystem in Userspace) is a !kernel driver that allows non-root users to create their own filesystems. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Filesystem_in_Userspace for more on FUSE.  Some examples of filesystems that use FUSE are !ntfs-3g, sshfs and isofs. A full list of Filesystems that use FUSE is here:  http://fuse.sourceforge.net/wiki/index.php/FileSystems
[11:37] <ws4> oiiiiiiiiii
[11:37] <sehe> PartProblem: perhaps more to the point (as you are troubleshooting and on live cd) konqueror man:/mount
[11:38] <sehe> !flood | PartProblem
[11:38] <ubotu> PartProblem: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[11:38] <andreas_> under media are two files: cdrom0 and cdrom1
[11:38] <andreas_> not files...folders
[11:38] <andreas_> they are empty
[11:38] <sehe> andreas_: did you try rightclicking to see whether it has an eject action somewhere?
[11:38] <sehe> andreas_: i know, it's called mount point. If nothing is mounted, it is just a dir node
[11:39] <sehe> adreas_: I couldn't try it out myself. Did you try 'cdeject' yet?
[11:39] <andreas_> cdeject? how can i use it
[11:40] <sehe> andreas_: let me count you the ways...
[11:40] <sehe> andreas_: seriously: use it from the comand line (konsole, xterm, bash whatever)
[11:40] <sehe> andreas_: just say cdeject and it will tell you what to do
[11:40] <sehe> andreas_: cdeject --help for help
[11:40] <PartProblem> Is it possible that the filesystem became so corrupt that it can't mount it? Qparted detects that it is a linux filesystem but the automount script suggested
[11:40] <sehe> malqos: or bcm43xx-fwcutter in konsole
[11:41] <andreas_> the programm cdeject is corrently not installed
[11:41] <PartProblem> Mounts my windows partition before it will mount the linux partition :(
[11:41] <sehe> PartProblem: yes very possible. In fact trivially so.
[11:41] <PartProblem> So I should give up on a recovery?
[11:41] <sehe> PartProblem: i've been trying to tell you all the time. Don't expect to mount it., If you do: mount it readonly or you'll make the problems WORSE
[11:42] <sehe> PartProblem: look for a recovery tool. Do you knwo the filesystem type? So i can throw in a quick google for you
[11:42] <sehe> PartProblem: ESSENCE: mounting != recovering. First you recover, *then* (maybe) you mount (with luck)
[11:43] <sehe> andreas_: like it sais:
[11:43] <sehe> [23:28]  <sehe> andreas_: sudo apt-get install cdtool
[11:43] <sehe> andreas_: (15 minutes ago :))
[11:43] <andreas_> cant install it with "sudo apt-get install cdtool"
[11:43] <sehe> andreas_: why not?
[11:43] <sehe> !info cdtool | sehe
[11:44] <sehe> ok, ic it's in universe.
[11:44] <sehe> !repositories | andreas_
[11:44] <PartProblem> It's an ext3 filesystem.
[11:44] <ubotu> andreas_: The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[11:44] <sehe> PartProblem: i'[ll have a look
[11:44] <germaine> i wish donwload yahoo messenger  it is hard
[11:44] <andreas_> the command line say:
[11:44] <sehe> germaine: ?
[11:45] <germaine> yahoo messenger
[11:45] <andreas_> Paket cdtool ist nicht verfgbar, wird aber von einem anderen
[11:45] <andreas_> Paket referenziert. Das kann heien, dass das Paket fehlt, dass es veraltet
[11:45] <andreas_> ist oder nur aus einer anderen Quelle verfgbar ist.
[11:45] <sehe> andreas_: see the repositories help above
[11:45] <germaine> who can help me
[11:46] <sehe> germaine:  with what?
[11:46] <mandhyl> ()
[11:46] <sehe> germaine: ic now i understand
[11:46] <germaine> to get yahoo messenger
[11:46] <sehe> germaine: yahoo is supported by kopete (installed by default). also, trillian (sudo apt-get install trillian)
[11:47] <germaine> ok
[11:47] <sehe> germaine: oh and gaim :) (very popular)
[11:47] <sehe> !fr | germaine
[11:47] <ubotu> germaine: Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.
[11:48] <germaine> i have  kopete  really bad  impossible connect  room tchat
[11:48] <mandhyl> germaine lustucru
[11:48] <germaine> trillian is good
[11:48] <sehe> germaine: then use trilian :D
[11:48] <germaine> i think  i have  to get him  o window
[11:49] <andreas_> it doesnt help really...tomorrow i will post this question in an forum...but thank you for your help
[11:49] <sehe> germaine: i have big trouble making sense of your english. Could you slow down typing (take a bit more care) or find a room in your native language?
[11:49] <germaine> sehe it is sudo apt-get install trilian
[11:49] <sehe> andreas_: did you understand the part about 'adding universe repository'? It is the solution
[11:50] <sehe> germaine: thanks and sorry for typo
[11:50] <mandhyl> .deb package of trillian not exist ?
[11:50] <Karti> hi all
[11:51] <sehe> andreas_: 'sudo echo deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ feisty universe >> /etc/apt/sources.list'
[11:51] <germaine> sehe  it is impossible to find  paquet trilian
[11:51] <sehe> andreas_: then 'sudo apt-get update; sudo apt-get install cdtool'
[11:51] <sehe> germaine: really? shame
[11:52] <sehe> germaine: i can't help you with something that is impossible
[11:52] <PartProblem> Germaine there is no trillian or Miranda i Linux.
[11:52] <mandhyl> germaine so, see that to: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=81895
[11:52] <PartProblem> Try Kopete.
[11:52] <sehe> germaine: But you're almost right. There is no debian package for it. I'm sure it is in linux
[11:52] <mandhyl> sinon google t'aidera en cherchant "ubuntu yahoo messenger"
[11:52] <mandhyl> bye
[11:53] <andreas_> sorry i dont understand you (my first time using linux...)
[11:53] <sehe> germaine: in ohter words... www.justfuckinggoogleit.com
[11:53] <andreas_> bye...
[11:53] <sehe> andreas_: ok... take your time :D
[11:54] <sehe> andreas_: is the problem (with eject) only on linux?
[11:54] <sehe> andreas_: it sounds like a hardware issue
[11:54] <sehe> andreas_: --- see you later
[11:55] <zabadapp> btw: isn't is nice to be WGA-free?
[11:55] <PartProblem> sehe my ubuntu installs seem to be unable to run the .configure .make .make install sequence.
[11:55] <BluesKaj> sehe , that kind of langauge as spelled in the above URL is frowned upon in this chat
[11:56] <PartProblem> I have gcc which seems to be working.
[11:56] <sehe> zabadapp: WGA?
[11:57] <sehe> !info build-essential | PartProblem
[11:57] <ubotu> partproblem: build-essential: informational list of build-essential packages. In component main, is optional. Version 11.3 (feisty), package size 6 kB, installed size 48 kB
[11:57] <sehe> PartProblem: see if it helps
[11:57] <sehe> BluesKaj: okok i take that back
[11:57] <sehe> ** mental note ** visit tinyurl for google referrer sites
[11:57] <knightz> if i want to probe my ipw2200 card how do i do this
[11:58] <zabadapp> sehe: a competing operating systems "genuine advantage" ... their WGA-servers got a bug and invalidated anyone trying to patch or update
[11:58] <BluesKaj> nothing wrong with your intentions sehe , just the language :)
[11:58] <sehe> zabadapp: ouch so hurtful
[11:58] <sehe> BluesKaj: i should know, but thanks for reminding hehe
[11:58] <zabadapp> sehe: just read it on slashdot
[11:59] <sehe> zabadapp: very very hurtful. Genuinely hurtful
[11:59] <Ralesk> hi all...  is nspluginviewer still borked in gutsy? :/
[11:59] <sehe> ROTFL
[11:59] <knightz> hellp help please?
[11:59] <sehe> knightz: ok, what kind of card is it and do you know which kernel module is required?
[11:59] <sehe> knightz: generally: 'sudo modprobe modulename'
[11:59] <knightz> intel 2200bg
[11:59] <sehe> knightz: that's a wifi... ok
[12:00] <BluesKaj> solved my missing app in the k-menu ..did a locate in konq and founf the working path and edited with menu editor and added kmail to the menu list
[12:00] <knightz> ipw2200 mod
[12:00] <sehe> knightz: first check with iwconfig whether it has been detected already.
[12:00] <knightz> yes it is but I want to know how i can hack it's default settings
[12:00] <PartProblem> sehe: I'm about o give up, is there ANY simple solution?
[12:01] <sehe> PartProblem: yes. Backups.
[12:01] <knightz>  i want to increase it's power
[12:01] <sehe> knightz: i think you need to use iwconfig or iwlist (use --help for options)
[12:02] <knightz> so there's no way to edit the kernel to change know the card is being operated or use?
[12:02] <quin> anybody keen on helping out with (what I'm sure is yet another) suspend/hibernaion issue. I have an HP nx8220 and have had this problem with both Edgy and Fiesty. Both just hang. So annoying, and I really can't find a fix.
[12:02] <sehe> PartProblem: http://www.thefreecountry.com/utilities/partitioneditors.shtml
[12:02] <Karti> sehe: its as bad as www.wwwdotcom.com but no swear words!
[12:03] <knightz> is the ipw2200 open source?
[12:03] <knightz> is the ipw2200 driver  open source?
[12:03] <sehe> Karti: i see less fun there. Also, you can append a real search string to the google-like site. So you can actually help people while prodding them
[12:04] <sehe> knightz: i don't know. I'd think so, unless it's under 'restricted'
[12:04] <lockd> I'm having a few problems with Nvidia settings - I can only go up to 1440x900 resolution, and have access to higher in Windows Vista, etc
[12:04] <sehe> !find ipw22
[12:04] <Karti> **note to self, don't lighten up an IRC channel** ;)
[12:04] <knightz> hm...... does ipw2200 let you inject packets into the card?
[12:04] <ubotu> Package/file ipw22 does not exist in feisty
[12:04] <lockd> well, I'm only looking to get to 1280x1024, but any help is appreciated
[12:04] <sehe> !x | lockd
[12:04] <ubotu> lockd: The X Window System is the part of your system that's responsible for graphical output. To restart your X, type  sudo /etc/init.d/?dm restart  in a console - To fix screen resolution or other X problems: http://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[12:05] <knightz> hm...... does ipw2200 let you inject packets into the card?
[12:05] <sehe> knightz: that's a very detailed question, best asked on specialized fora
[12:05] <knightz> sehe what?
[12:06] <lockd> sehe: thanks for the pointer, I hope it works - tried 20 other ways (including override EDID information)
[12:06] <sehe> knightz: with me it seems to be in ieee8021l-source package, so that suggests GPL source
[12:06] <knightz> ok
[12:06] <sehe> lockd: uhoh that sounds like a lot of effort
[12:06] <sehe> knightz: this is general kubuntu support. We don't do (promiscuous) wifi driver development :D
[12:07] <knightz> ok.. i just thought I'd get some help
[12:07] <sehe> knightz: sure. no problem. You want to use it for bridging with VM's?
[12:07] <sehe> knightz: (i mean, curious as to why you want to inject packages)
[12:08] <sehe> knightz: although i'd also guess that using libpcap that could be done for any NIC
[12:08] <knightz> :)
[12:08] <sehe> packages ---> packets ^^
[12:09] <lockd> sehe: yes, it is
[12:09] <sehe> lockd: sorry to hear. I've had my share of trouble (mainly on gentoo) but with ubuntu (knock would) all my video cards run on highest reso out-of-the-box (maybe it's because i use flatpanels all the time nowadays)
[12:10] <nosrednaekim> Ralesk: yeah?
[12:10] <sehe> Karti: ignite an IRC channel, don't illuminate :D
[12:10] <knightz> well I guess time to do some more reading........ anyone here ever used aircrack-ng with ipw22XX cards
[12:11] <Karti> :)
[12:11] <sehe> knightz: nope. Never e'en got it working with any of my cards (broadcom, intel or realtek)
[12:11] <Ralesk> nosrednaekim: well, whether it has been fixed yet in gutsy or I'm being a newb at it -- cause it locks up like... dunno, started to do it about a month ago or so?
[12:11] <knightz> hm...
[12:11] <sehe> knightz: i must admit, it's not importatn to me, so i stop trying after first hurdle)
[12:12] <knightz> hm..
[12:12] <knightz> it's just for educational purposes only :)
[12:12] <sehe> knightz: either you are very thoughtful, or i want some of the pie :D LOL
[12:12] <sehe> knightz: naturally
[12:13] <sehe> knightz: war-driving is miscoined term
[12:13] <knightz> hm... why?
[12:13] <sehe> knightz: indulge me, will ya ....
[12:13] <sehe> knightz: it isn't. but it sounds so... erm... un-educational
[12:14] <knightz> it's helping the lamerz (sys admin) to better there security
[12:14] <sehe> ow... missed the joke. you repeated the hm... HAHAHAHA
[12:14] <BluesKaj> kevin rose and that other geek from DIGG dreamed up that term for riding on open wireless access points
[12:14] <sehe> BluesKaj: ooo you're with the incrowd :D
[12:15] <sehe> knightz: Like I said, I just thought it'd be fun to be able to use neighbours wifi for backup/additional bandwith hehe
[12:15] <sehe> knightz: never got it to work
[12:15] <BluesKaj> not really sehe , he used to have a tv show "call for help" here in NA
[12:16] <knightz> well where i'm from (trinidad) internet is very expensives and free internet is the only way to go!!!!
[12:16] <sehe> BluesKaj: oh ic. Didn cognize any of the names
[12:16] <sehe> knightz: i'd put my bet on mesh networks (like in OLPC)
[12:16] <knightz> :)
[12:16] <sehe> knightz: 802.1s standard allows reach up to 1 km
[12:16] <maelcum> knightz: be fair and leave your neighbors some bandwidth for themeselves :)
[12:17] <BluesKaj> <--- Canada , we got a lot of US stuff on our sats and cable
[12:17] <palifra> ?
[12:17] <sehe> knightz: like i said, never got it to work
[12:17] <sehe> <-- Holland, we have shit to look at. That's why I am on @#kubuntu hahahaha
[12:17] <knightz> the old t'v antenna's make to good wireless antennas :)
[12:17] <sehe> maelcum: but i trust, you have generous neighbours with no WEP/WPA
[12:18] <maelcum> sehe: generous, stupid... who knows.
[12:18] <PriceChild> !offtopic
[12:18] <ubotu> #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related support questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[12:18] <sehe> maelcum: these seem closely nit virtues :D
[12:18] <knightz> I like to think of stupid people more like god send :)
[12:19] <sehe> ooo time to go to bed. No 'real' qeustions soming thru, make a run for it
[12:19] <sehe> knightz: aren't we all?
[12:19] <maelcum> PriceChild: oh come on, it's not like we are drowning out all the useful technical discussions going on right now.
[12:19] <sehe> k peeps nice chatting here, i'm off cya later
[12:19] <BluesKaj> <---retired old labtech guy , with too much time on his hands
[12:19] <BluesKaj> bye sehe
[12:19] <PriceChild> maelcum, We wouldn't know. You're offtopic.
[12:21] <sehe> PriceChild: sure managed to create some lovely silence :) cheers
[12:22] <thomas_> hej
[12:22] <PriceChild> Hi thomas_.
[12:23] <maelcum> PriceChild: you know, offtopic chat can do some good for the general atmosphere of a channel i think. i am all for radio discipline in busy channels, mind you.
[12:24] <maelcum> whatever, no reason to get into fights :)
[12:25] <knightz> hm... well dell b130 ar good laptops but stupid wireless cards why didn't it come with a prism?
[12:25] <maelcum> knightz: ipw22** is actually great for linux
[12:25] <knightz> not what i want it for!!!!
[12:27] <chollo> Hola Alguien que hable espaol
[12:28] <zgmf-x20a> hey guys, question.  ethernet issue.  just installed kubuntu 6.10 on asus f3sv-b1.  does not show any network hardware.  so how do i a) show a list of the hardware on the machine to find ou what brand, etc it is, and b) install the appropriate driver?
[12:28] <hydrogen> ~df
[12:28] <hydrogen> oops
[12:28] <hydrogen> wrong channel
[12:29] <zgmf-x20a> anyone?
[12:29] <zgmf-x20a> lshw
[12:29] <knightz> iwconfig
[12:29] <knightz> sorry
[12:29] <BluesKaj> zgmf-x20a, type lspci in the konsole , it will show your hardware
[12:31] <zgmf-x20a> BluesKaj: crappy.  the ethernet says unknown device 1969:1048 (revb0) and the network controller says intel corporation Unknown device 4229 (rev61)
[12:31] <zgmf-x20a> BluesKaj: any idea what i should do?
[12:32] <chollo> help spanish pliss
[12:32] <knightz> use ndiswrapper with the windows drivers
[12:33] <BluesKaj> zgmf-x20a, sounds like that is a realtek number for the ethernet . you could try searching for a driver realtek1048
[12:35] <zgmf-x20a> BluesKaj: cool man,thanks, let me try that out and see how it goes.