[03:34] <LaserJock> cprov: I don't understand why debian/copyright wouldn't be necessary? Did seb128 give a rationale?
[03:55] <kduboi1> why don't you get karma for writing and committing code?
[04:11] <cprov> LaserJock: some sources simply do not contain debian/copyright, sometimes because they use a template (copyright.in as php4) or because they have special mechanisms to handle multiple copyright (as linux-source).
[04:13] <cprov> LaserJock: what seb128 requested (and was supported by cjwatson and infinity) is to cope with empty/missing debian/copyright for now, until we have a better idea about how many packages are in this situation.
[04:13] <cprov> LaserJock: does it sound more correct (feasible) to you ?
[04:48] <LaserJock> cprov: yes, I was thinking he was talking about them being able to have no copyright info at all in debian/ which is not good
[04:48] <LaserJock> cprov: but yeah, I've run across packages before with copyright.in or multiple copyright files
[06:07] <norsetto> *cough * * cough*
[06:10] <norsetto> anyone that could know how to build a debian package on a PPA? (without the need to change the source package obviously)
[06:15] <norsetto> perhaps editing the override file?
[08:01] <mpt> Goooooooooooooood morning Launchpadders!
[08:23] <MFen> where launchpad talks about blueprints, it suggests using a wiki if the blueprint needs a detailed discussion
[08:23] <MFen> does anyone have a suggestion for what the wiki should be?
[08:23] <MFen> i haven't seen one *in* launchpad, so i'm assuming the feature is intended to be used with an externally-hosted wiki
[08:24] <beuno> MFen: the best way is to look at some examples: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/rosetta/+spec/rosetta-stats-enhancement
[08:25] <MFen> hmm, true
[08:26] <mpt> MFen, it's intended to be used with a project's own wiki
[08:26] <MFen> mpt: assuming we do things like, host a wiki. :)
[08:28] <mpt> yes
[08:28] <mpt> Eventually we hope to be able to host them in Launchpad
[08:50] <ubotu> New bug: #134758 in malone "Record who subscribed each subscriber to a bug report" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/134758
[09:11] <ubotu> New bug: #134761 in launchpad "Label missing on second password entry during registration" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/134761
[09:48] <mayeco> can I make create a new project and register a new branch in launchpad just to learn and test the bzr?
[10:06] <_SiLENT_> what is launchpad?
[10:06] <MFen> http://launchpad.net/
[10:06] <_SiLENT_> i wanted to order ubuntu cds and ended up here
[10:07] <_SiLENT_> why it is not working
[10:09] <Nafallo> it is?
[10:09] <_SiLENT_> it is not
[10:09] <_SiLENT_> maintenance
[10:10] <Nafallo> have you created a login so that you can login and proceed with your shipit request?
[10:10] <Nafallo> oh. how nice.
[10:10] <_SiLENT_> when will I be able to enter?
[10:10] <_SiLENT_> I want ubuntu
[10:10] <Nafallo> works for me
[10:11] <_SiLENT_> Sorry, you can't do this right now
[10:11] <_SiLENT_> Launchpad is currently offline for maintenance. We're sorry that this means you can't use it right now. The good news is that it will be back online soon.
[10:11] <_SiLENT_> You can find out more about why Launchpad is offline at:
[10:11] <_SiLENT_> http://news.launchpad.net/maintenance
[10:11] <_SiLENT_> You can also receive notification of scheduled downtime by signing up to the Launchpad Users mailing list.
[10:11] <_SiLENT_> Thanks for your patience while we work to improve Launchpad. 
[10:11] <_SiLENT_> The Launchpad team
[10:11] <beuno> _SiLENT_: try refreshing, you might of hit a bad server
[10:12] <beuno> control + f5
[10:12] <Nafallo> there is no maintaince at the moment, right?
[10:13] <beuno> Nafallo: I don't recall having an announced maintance announcement
[10:13] <beuno> and it's working for me  :D
[10:13] <mayeco> _SiLENT_: you can order cds here : https://shipit.ubuntu.com/
[10:13] <Nafallo> that's what I thought.
[10:14] <mayeco> to order cds you need a launchpad account
[10:14] <mayeco> so create and order the cd's
[10:17] <_SiLENT_> what is difference between ebuntu, kubuntu and ubuntu?
[10:18] <mayeco> edubuntu is for kids and to learn
[10:18] <_SiLENT_> for me :)
[10:18] <mayeco> kubuntu is ubuntu with kde desktop enviroment
[10:18] <_SiLENT_> wht is kde ?
[10:18] <mayeco> and ubuntu is gnome
[10:18] <mayeco> is a desktop enviroment
[10:18] <mayeco> is like the look and feel
[10:18] <_SiLENT_> and what is gnome?
[10:18] <mayeco> other desktop enviroment
[10:19] <_SiLENT_> kubuntu is like windows?
[10:19] <mayeco> you can see some screenshoots in google
[10:19] <mayeco> use "gnome" and find images
[10:19] <mayeco> or "kde" and find images
[10:19] <_SiLENT_> ok thx
[10:19] <_SiLENT_> can i order all three ubuntus?
[10:20] <mayeco> sure
[10:20] <mayeco> but first you need a launchpad accout
[10:20] <mayeco> account
[10:20] <_SiLENT_> *request
[10:20] <_SiLENT_> i did
[10:20] <mayeco> go here: https://shipit.ubuntu.com/
[10:20] <mayeco> login
[10:20] <mayeco> with your launchpad email
[10:20] <mayeco> and password
[10:21] <_SiLENT_> i already requested ubuntu
[10:21] <mayeco> ahhh and you get it?
[10:21] <_SiLENT_> i am adding others
[10:21] <_SiLENT_> ebuntu
[10:21] <mayeco> ahh ok
[10:21] <_SiLENT_> if version changes
[10:21] <mayeco> they maybe.. send you edubuntu and kubuntu
[10:21] <mayeco> the most common is ubuntu
[10:22] <_SiLENT_> will I be able to request again?
[10:22] <mayeco> yes
[10:22] <_SiLENT_> I'm requesting to Russia, I wonder if it'll come :)
[10:22] <mayeco> I request my cd's here
[10:23] <mayeco> to Panama, Central america
[10:23] <mayeco> and I get it here
[10:23] <_SiLENT_> is Ubuntu the best nix system?
[10:23] <mayeco> Ubuntu is a distribution
[10:23] <mayeco> but... I think is one of the best
[10:24] <mayeco> there are many distributions
[10:24] <_SiLENT_> what other nixes are available?
[10:24] <mayeco> suse, red hat, mandriva, debian(ubuntu father) etc.....
[10:24] <mayeco> yes
[10:24] <MFen> those are all linuxes
[10:24] <mayeco> there are many manymany
[10:24] <_SiLENT_> ooohhh
[10:24] <_SiLENT_> I wanna know which is best
[10:24] <_SiLENT_> btw
[10:24] <mayeco> you can see all here : http://distrowatch.com/
[10:25] <mayeco> maybe not all but most
[10:25] <_SiLENT_> the programs for linux
[10:25] <MFen> you linux bigot :)  openbsd, solaris, aix are others
[10:25] <MFen> but you probably want ubuntu, based on your questions
[10:25] <_SiLENT_> they are compatible with all nix systems?
[10:25] <MFen> it is the easiest to install, and is missing nothing
[10:25] <_SiLENT_> the same programs go for all nixes?
[10:25] <MFen> no
[10:25] <_SiLENT_> no??
[10:26] <_SiLENT_> different programs for different systems?
[10:26] <MFen> it's complicated. a program compiled to run on one linux probably runs on most of the others
[10:26] <_SiLENT_> ok
[10:26] <MFen> and openbsd as well, for that matter
[10:26] <_SiLENT_> openbsd is also nix>
[10:26] <_SiLENT_> ?
[10:27] <MFen> yes. openbsd is unix, but it isn't linux.  forget i said it, because what you want is ubuntu.
[10:27] <_SiLENT_> lol
[10:27] <_SiLENT_> unix linux
[10:27] <_SiLENT_> God help
[10:27] <_SiLENT_> :)
[10:27] <_SiLENT_> Ubuntu ubuntu ubuntu
[10:27] <MFen> hey, windows isn't much better.  there's about 8 versions of that too
[10:28] <MFen> not even counting ultimate vs professional vs. corporate vs. chunky peanut butter flavors
[10:28] <mayeco> hey
[10:28] <_SiLENT_> I know only three
[10:28] <_SiLENT_> we don't count obsolete ones!
[10:29] <_SiLENT_> 95, 98 Me
[10:29] <mayeco> MFen: dont talk about how bad is windows, talk about how good ubuntu and gnu/linux
[10:29] <mayeco> please
[10:29] <_SiLENT_> now is only XP and Vista
[10:29] <MFen> i didn't say windows was bad
[10:29] <MFen> anyway, this is all very offtopic
[10:29] <mayeco> yes but... is not good
[10:29] <mayeco> my opinion
[10:29] <mayeco> offtopic right?
[10:29] <_SiLENT_> nix is harder
[10:30] <mayeco> but KDE is very easy
[10:30] <mayeco> you should try it
[10:30] <_SiLENT_> Kubuntu?
[10:30] <mayeco> yeah
[10:30] <_SiLENT_> ok, I finished requesting all three
[10:30] <_SiLENT_> will see
[10:30] <mayeco> it's easy to use and very nice
[10:30] <_SiLENT_> in 6-10 weeks :)
[10:30] <mayeco> :D
[10:31] <MFen> ok, i'm off to install OS X.  :P
[10:31] <MFen> which is also unix!
[10:31] <MFen> bbl
[10:31] <mayeco> mmm wait 
[10:31] <mayeco> i dont remember
[10:31] <_SiLENT_> don't tell!
[10:31] <mayeco> wiki
[10:31] <_SiLENT_> I am also going
[10:31] <_SiLENT_> thx for help
[10:31] <_SiLENT_> bye
[10:31] <mayeco> ok
[10:32] <mayeco> np
[10:32] <mayeco> hey
[10:32] <_SiLENT_> wht?
[10:32] <mayeco> and tell your friends they have options
[10:32] <mayeco> not the same OS in the PCs ubuntu
[10:32] <_SiLENT_> wht options?
[10:32] <mayeco> now you have ubuntu and many linux distros
[10:32] <mayeco> not the same os
[10:32] <mayeco> get it?
[10:32] <_SiLENT_> nope
[10:33] <_SiLENT_> what do u mean?
[10:33] <badders> Is the code that lets you look over the source on codebrowse.launchpad.net open source and available anywhere?
[10:33] <mayeco> that you now have options to install other operative sistem in your pcs
[10:33] <_SiLENT_> "and many linux distros"
[10:33] <_SiLENT_> ?
[10:33] <mayeco> yes
[10:33] <mayeco> I found it
[10:33] <mayeco> is darwin
[10:33] <_SiLENT_> what distros
[10:33] <mayeco> http://distrowatch.com/
[10:34] <mayeco> the Darwin is the macos nix
[10:34] <mayeco> sooo
[10:34] <mayeco> install in all your pcs
[10:34] <mayeco> and tell all your friends do the same
[10:34] <mayeco> :D
[10:35] <_SiLENT_> i will install ubuntu everywhere?
[10:35] <mayeco> yes!
[10:35] <mayeco> hehehe
[10:35] <_SiLENT_> u want me to promote ur free stuff, for short
[10:35] <mayeco> install ubuntu in everywhere
[10:35] <mayeco> you should do it
[10:35] <_SiLENT_> y
[10:35] <mayeco> :D
[10:36] <mayeco> that way we all win
[10:36] <mayeco> and the bad guys lose
[10:36] <_SiLENT_> what if I am a commercial soft developer :D
[10:36] <mayeco> you can help anyway
[10:37] <_SiLENT_> hey
[10:37] <mayeco> with parts of code
[10:37] <mayeco> what?
[10:37] <_SiLENT_> but windos is soooo compatible
[10:37] <mayeco> yes
[10:37] <_SiLENT_> and nixes aren't
[10:38] <mayeco> now we have free drivers and more compatible
[10:38] <mayeco> now is diferent
[10:38] <mayeco> is not like 4 or 5 years ago
[10:38] <_SiLENT_> i don't mean only hardware
[10:38] <mayeco> we have more compatible and better drivers
[10:38] <mayeco> what you mean?
[10:38] <_SiLENT_> software too
[10:38] <_SiLENT_> for example
[10:38] <_SiLENT_> IE ActiveX
[10:39] <_SiLENT_> is used in some e-bank I use
[10:39] <mayeco> you can use you ie activeX in linux
[10:39] <mayeco> you can run ie in ubuntu
[10:39] <mayeco> www.tatanka.com.br/
[10:40] <_SiLENT_> look, windos is as free to me as lininix is :)
[10:40] <_SiLENT_> wht should I worry
[10:40] <mayeco> is not about the cost
[10:40] <_SiLENT_> about what?
[10:40] <mayeco> ubuntu should cost more that 1000 dolars
[10:40] <mayeco> is about freedom
[10:40] <mayeco> nodoby is in your pc, no spyware
[10:40] <_SiLENT_> wht free with ma WinXP :)
[10:41] <_SiLENT_> I am free
[10:41] <mayeco> no company is lokking your stuff
[10:41] <mayeco> no
[10:41] <mayeco> with windows
[10:41] <_SiLENT_> it's exactly like that with me right now
[10:41] <_SiLENT_> no one locks me lol
[10:41] <mayeco> the best spyware in the world is windows xp
[10:41] <mayeco> that is not freedom...
[10:41] <_SiLENT_> no one spies me
[10:42] <mayeco> the best spyware spy and the user dont know
[10:42] <mayeco> becouse that is the best
[10:42] <_SiLENT_> lol
[10:42] <mayeco> :D
[10:42] <mayeco> is not about cost
[10:42] <mayeco> is about freedom
[10:42] <_SiLENT_> exactly
[10:42] <mayeco> :D
[10:42] <_SiLENT_> exactly
[10:42] <_SiLENT_> I am right now cost-free
[10:42] <_SiLENT_> and overall free
[10:43] <_SiLENT_> and also am free of investigating linux
[10:43] <mayeco> yes
[10:43] <mayeco> is nice
[10:43] <_SiLENT_> y should i lose the 3rd freedom? :)
[10:43] <mayeco> mmmmmmm i dont get it
[10:43] <mayeco> hehehhehee
[10:43] <mayeco> check this
[10:43] <mayeco> en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_rights_management
[10:44] <_SiLENT_> i know what it is
[10:44] <_SiLENT_> I don't care
[10:44] <mayeco> vista do that thing
[10:44] <_SiLENT_> it doesn't touch me
[10:44] <_SiLENT_> vista do it?
[10:44] <mayeco> yes
[10:44] <_SiLENT_> how?
[10:44] <_SiLENT_> and where?
[10:44] <mayeco> ahhaa I dont know
[10:44] <mayeco> never use vista
[10:44] <_SiLENT_> lol
[10:44] <mayeco> i just heard that
[10:44] <mayeco> hahahahahhahaa
[10:44] <_SiLENT_> u know what i think?
[10:45] <mayeco> i never touch a vista pc
[10:45] <mayeco> what do you think?
[10:45] <_SiLENT_> i think everything will be okie-dokie with vista
[10:45] <_SiLENT_> as it was with XP and 98
[10:46] <_SiLENT_> it will be nicely cracked and place in a nifty cd in local store here
[10:46] <_SiLENT_> *placed
[10:46] <_SiLENT_> and i will buy it for $2
[10:46] <_SiLENT_> and thank Bill Gates
[10:46] <_SiLENT_> +pirates
[10:46] <_SiLENT_> :)
[10:47] <_SiLENT_> and try Ubuntu Mumuntu, see that is hard and throw it to dustbin
[10:47] <_SiLENT_> and say my friends not to try nix and lose their time
[10:47] <_SiLENT_> :P
[10:48] <mayeco> yeah
[10:48] <mayeco> that is nice
[10:48] <_SiLENT_> yes
[10:48] <mayeco> but a ilegal copy of windows is bad
[10:48] <mayeco> why?
[10:48] <mayeco> becouse the make you use it..
[10:48] <_SiLENT_> why is it bad?
[10:48] <mayeco> they make you need it
[10:48] <_SiLENT_> it is as good as it is
[10:48] <_SiLENT_> for ne
[10:49] <_SiLENT_> *me
[10:49] <mayeco> get it
[10:49] <mayeco> if you use windows and only know windows
[10:49] <mayeco> if you get a job they have to buy a windows for you
[10:50] <_SiLENT_> yes
[10:50] <_SiLENT_> their problem
[10:50] <_SiLENT_> lol
[10:50] <mayeco> and in schools is the same
[10:50] <_SiLENT_> ok
[10:50] <_SiLENT_> if nix was common
[10:50] <mayeco> they "donate" that software to the kids
[10:50] <_SiLENT_> it would be nice
[10:50] <mayeco> and the kids only learn that os
[10:50] <mayeco> yeah
[10:51] <mayeco> would be nice to teach other os
[10:51] <mayeco> and theach os that you can see the source code
[10:51] <mayeco> and see how it works
[10:51] <_SiLENT_> when I was at school all computers had unlicensed windos copies lol
[10:51] <mayeco> in my school to
[10:52] <mayeco> but for years I only learn that system
[10:52] <mayeco> and is bad
[10:52] <_SiLENT_> all in all u r right
[10:52] <mayeco> I now have piece of my brain with that
[10:52] <mayeco> wasted...
[10:52] <_SiLENT_> we should think about our future
[10:52] <mayeco> yeah
[10:53] <mayeco> like 200 years ago people fight you our freedom
[10:53] <_SiLENT_> but it would be good if all developers concentrated on one version of nix system
[10:53] <mayeco> yeah...
[10:53] <mayeco> but...
[10:53] <mayeco> that will create another windows
[10:53] <_SiLENT_> so that there wouldn't be so many different ones
[10:53] <_SiLENT_> no
[10:53] <mayeco> yes...
[10:53] <mayeco> :D
[10:53] <_SiLENT_> if the whole world works on the same OS
[10:53] <mayeco> the good thing is that you have may many flavors
[10:54] <mayeco> for every pc and every specification
[10:54] <mayeco> you can install in a 386
[10:54] <_SiLENT_> ok
[10:54] <mayeco> and in a atlhon 64bit.. 
[10:54] <_SiLENT_> now I can't program
[10:54] <_SiLENT_> I am planning to learn
[10:54] <mayeco> it's easy
[10:54] <mayeco> is like moving from automatic car to a  manual car
[10:55] <_SiLENT_> when I have energy and time, I will pay some attention to this problem
[10:55] <mayeco> first time... the car will shutdown but in 2 weeks you can make it
[10:55] <mayeco> :D
[10:55] <_SiLENT_> which is...
[10:55] <_SiLENT_> 2 years?
[10:56] <mayeco> 2 weeks
[10:56] <_SiLENT_> but my plan was to earn good money by programming
[10:56] <mayeco> in 2 years you will be a super linux developer
[10:56] <_SiLENT_> and it is not compatible with ur ideas
[10:56] <mayeco> yeah
[10:57] <_SiLENT_> ok now I go
[10:57] <_SiLENT_> gotta sleep
[10:57] <_SiLENT_> thx for useful info
[10:57] <mayeco> ok
[10:58] <mayeco> bye
[10:58] <_SiLENT_> bye
[10:58] <mayeco> ..... to much talking...
[11:19] <mpt> darn
[11:19] <mpt> For future reference, the answer to badders' question was https://code.launchpad.net/loggerhead
[11:33] <gnomefreak> for PPA does every binary in control have to have a Section bleh in it?
[11:38] <kiko> I believe so -- just like regular packages, no?
[11:46] <LaserJock> kiko: ping
[12:25] <mayeco> can I make create a new project and register a new branch in launchpad just to learn and test the bzr?
[12:37] <LaserJock> mayeco: you should do that on demo.launchpad.net
[12:37] <mayeco> ok!
[12:37] <mayeco> thank you!