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ArwenAn honest question: do you guys think that people really know that Linux (or any other "free" software) exists as an alternative to their proprietary systems?01:26
ubotu#ubuntu is the Ubuntu support channel, #ubuntu+1 supports the development version of Ubuntu and #ubuntu-offtopic is for random chatter. Welcome!01:27
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rikaiArwen, yeah, definitily a good question for -offtopic. :D01:28
Arwenmeh, nobody's talking right now01:29
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pwnguinso what exactly was the point of changing -386 to the default boot kernel?01:32
Arwenthey didn't01:32
Arwen-generic is01:32
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pwnguini upgraded yesterday, and i get a surprise -386 kernel installed and defaulted01:33
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pwnguinand wireless broke01:33
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Jack_SparrowMay I have a link to dowload Gutsy...?01:35
ubotuGutsy Gibbon is the code name for the next release of Ubuntu (7.10) | (due October 2007) | It is development software, as such unstable, support _only_ in #ubuntu+101:36
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Arwenpwnguin, reinstall the generic one01:37
Jack_Sparrows-x-u: I got that... but is a link available?01:37
Arwenprobably just an apt failure01:37
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pwnguinArwen: its already installed, and -386 purged. just curious what the point of that whole affair was01:38
Arwenlike I said, it was probably a failure in dependency handling01:39
s-x-uthis one sorry01:39
Arwenit didn't happen to me01:39
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Jack_Sparrows-x-u: NP...  Getting the Alt now..01:40
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Sonicadvance1Oi, is Tribe 5 of Gutsy Stable enough for normal use? :P01:42
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sparrsince upgrade to gutsy, when i rotate my desktop with xrandr it doesnt resize, so i have a large black rectangle on one side01:44
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ArwenSonicadvance1, works fine here but I haven't tested any unusual use circumstances01:44
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Sonicadvance1I see, I tested Gutsy before there were any Tribe releases, was pretty unstable then :P01:45
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s-x-uSonicadvance1: it depends also on your hardware i think have gutsy running without problem01:46
goodhabitHello. How i can update my feisty to Gutsy?01:46
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Sonicadvance1It's a terminal command goodhabit01:47
s-x-usudo update-manager --help01:47
Sonicadvance1update-manager -d01:47
Sonicadvance1aren't I such a good friend?01:48
s-x-uor change your repository list01:48
deobfuscateAnyone know when tribe 5 comes out01:48
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goodhabitHow i know have i gutsy repo on my mirror?01:48
goodhabit*Or not.01:49
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jribgoodhabit: ubuntu.com/testing  you need to update update-manager first01:49
goodhabitjrib: About learning how-to update-manager i understood.01:49
pwnguinman, gpg is kicking my ass01:49
goodhabitAnd how i can know have my remo it?01:50
jribgoodhabit: what do you mean?01:50
pwnguingpg --send-key key-id  <-- what is a key id?01:50
goodhabitjrib: I have a mirror of repo on local network. How i can know, have that repo gutsy repo too?01:51
goodhabitOn have not. )01:51
jribpwnguin: your name works, like 'jason'01:51
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jribpwnguin: technically though keyID is that 8 character hexadecimal string attached to your key I think01:52
rexyare there any backports for gutsy yet from the .23 kernel tree?01:52
pwnguinjrib: that sems more logical01:52
jribdeobfuscate: yesterday?01:53
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deobfuscaterelease schedule bookmarked and downloading01:55
deobfuscateHow is it01:55
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goodhabitIs it safe to update tu Gutsy now?01:59
Arwenit'll be "safe" when it's released01:59
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goodhabitI mean +|- safe, I have used testing, unstable debian, ~ unstable (beta) distro Gentoo. And they was working ok with me.02:00
goodhabitIs it really unsafe?02:01
ArwenNo. Hardly.02:01
goodhabitCuz release is soon.02:01
ArwenTribe 4 worked with a couple issues for me, tribe 5 seems fairly solid.02:01
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goodhabitAnd about repo, Sorry for questions-repeating, but how can i know, have i necessary (and recomended) ) files at my local mirror?02:03
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chowmeinedWhat do I do with all these bugs I keep finding?02:34
jribchowmeined: see if they've been reported and if not report them bugs.ubuntu.com02:34
jrib(and fix them if you want :))02:34
chowmeinedim not sure i know how, but ive already found 4 in the installer02:35
chowmeinedi dont even have it installed yet02:35
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chowmeinednot sure i know how to fix them*02:36
jribI was kind of kidding about fixing them, reporting them is a big help02:36
chowmeinedok, ill go report them (if they dont already exist)02:36
jribchowmeined: great, thanks!02:36
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jribchowmeined: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ReportingBugs might be helpful02:38
chowmeinedhmm, that was was already reported back for feisty.. its still in gutsy02:40
chowmeinedthat one was*02:40
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rexyyeah one that plagues me was too :/02:40
chowmeinedthe manual partition editor takes like 5 seconds to refresh every time you add/modify a partition with it02:41
chowmeinedin the installer02:41
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rexyanything useful  in the logs?02:42
chowmeinedits just how it was designed...02:42
chowmeinedthat part needs to be rewritten to put all the partition settings into a data structure, and then when they click next to batch perform all the operations at once02:43
rexysleep(3600^random()); P?02:43
pwnguinhas displayconfig worked for anybody?02:43
chowmeinedno it rescans the partition tables every time you change an option02:43
chowmeinedlike if you want to change a partition from ext3 to xfs.. or add a partition to the list of ones you want.. it rescans every time (doesnt actually do it until later) but rescans anyways02:43
rexyit doesnt make any changes then, so that would seem a bit pointless02:44
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carlahello, can someone help me with ubuntu? i just installed it. when i reboot my laptop it tells me to choose between ubuntu kernel generic or windows xp. when i clik on ubuntu generic, it takes me to a command screen. from there i don't know what to do besides entering my user name and password.03:00
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carlaany help?03:02
carlawhat command should i type to enter the system?03:04
w00tyou (probably) want #ubuntu - this channel is for testing the development version03:04
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ArwenCan someone test the "device database" tool? It gets stuck at "video" for me.03:09
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kduboi1what is the difference between the libwnck18 and libwnck22 packages?03:53
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Arwenone is newer03:55
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kduboi1yeah, but why did they change the package name instead of the version? it breaks the installs of lots of eyecandy...03:56
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hrp2171hello, i would like to update my 7.04 to gutsy over the net.  where do i find out info on what to put in sources.list03:58
kduboi1nevermind, apparently both can exist peacefully on the same system...03:58
hrp2171not the final but the interim release03:59
kduboi1hrp2171: you can get a cd, or do update-manager -d, i think (i might be wrong...)03:59
hrp2171basically i want to keep up with devel releases up until final and so on03:59
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pwnguinneat. my custom gnome launcher is broke04:08
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Assidopengl + compiz on nvidia   = hell04:13
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teajayHello, anyone feel nicely enough to help me with a problem?04:25
Arwendepends on the problem04:25
teajayI'm getting two errors while trying to upgrade to Tribe04:26
mamefanIs there any support for Artec T14A USB HD Tuner?04:26
Arwenteajay, they are?04:26
teajaywarning: could not initiate dbus04:26
teajaycurrent dist not found in meta-release file04:26
Assidupdating to tribe ? your updating via apt ?04:26
teajayI've been doing some searching to no avail04:26
Arwenhmm, that one again. Sorry, no clue what the deal is with it.04:26
SeveredCrossAnother guy was getting that earlier.04:27
Assidnot sure.. as far as i know.. apt should update without any issue04:27
Arwenif you're feeling lucky, you can change "feisty" with "gutsy" in your sources.list and force a dist-upgrade04:27
Assidactually thats what i did04:27
SeveredCrossYou could always go the brute way and sed -i /etc/apt/sources.list -e 's/feisty/gutsy/g' and then apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade04:27
teajaydid that work?04:27
SeveredCrossThat should work without any issues, it worked perfectly for me.04:27
Assidme too04:27
mamefanThat method got me to gutsy without too much trouble.04:28
ubotuThe packages in Ubuntu are divided into several sections. More information at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories and http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/components - See also !EasySource04:28
ubotusource-o-matic is a webpage where you can (re)generate your sources.list - http://www.ubuntu-nl.org/source-o-matic04:28
Arwencan cause issues / need fixing if you have a lot of hacked/local packages04:28
Assidthere.. that one04:28
teajayi'll give that a shot04:28
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gnomefreakAssid: dont use easy source please as it hasnt been kept up since edgy/early feisty04:29
mamefanAny advice on the Artec T14A USB HD tuner?  I'd really like to get it working in Linux so I can ditch the Windows partition.04:29
Assidactually i had got my hands on someones sources.list04:30
Assidthe nick at the moment however escapes me04:30
Assidyou know.. we need some better suport for synching stuff.. like mobile phones and stuff04:30
Assidits painful to do it in linux04:30
Assidi mean look at mac's isync .. and ofcourse i cant really compare windows 3rd party cause thats what people mainly develop for04:31
Assidbut seriously tho, it gets painful to sync it04:32
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chowmeinedmamefan: not sure04:33
teajay http://nl.archive.ubuntu.com gutsy/main libc6-dev 2.6.1-0ubuntu104:34
teajayis what it's downloading from now04:34
teajayso I guess im updating to Gutsy04:35
teajayGrading sorry04:35
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Mulderwill gusty have /dev/parport0 created automagically?04:36
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rocketsMulder, is that for a paralell port?04:42
rocketsjust curious04:42
Mulderthe character device file isnt created by default in feisty04:42
Mulderi could just mknod it myself04:42
Mulderbut i'm curious as to why itwas even removed04:42
rocketsno idea, i know nothing about paralell ports under linux, i was just curious04:43
Mulderah ok04:43
rocketssorry man :-(04:43
Mulderno problem04:43
rocketsMulder, this is in tribe 5 right04:44
Mulderoh i havent got gutsy installed04:44
Mulderam just wondering if this behaviour is being inherented in gusty04:44
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rocketsmaybe ask in #ubuntu-dev04:45
SeveredCrossBah, it's too bad there's no way to see the speed of a copy operation while it's going.04:45
rocketsthey might know a bit more about future plans04:45
SeveredCrossKDE does it, but GNOME doesn't.04:45
rocketsSeveredCross, there is in kde04:45
rocketsFor "simplicity's sake"04:45
MulderSeveredCross, strace it04:45
rocketsA non-geek user will be like wtf im not downloading something04:45
Mulderif it's not memory to memory copying, it will call read/write calls that will show up in strace04:46
SeveredCrossI'd really just like to see it because I'm curious about the throughput of my external HDD.04:46
rocketsMulder, yeah but to calculate what they mean on the fly in your head, come on04:46
rocketsSeveredCross, search synaptic for HD burnin or something04:46
chowmeineddoes the plugin finder even work?04:46
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Mulderwell, no heh but it's a good thing to keep in mind if you ever suspect the program has crashed04:47
gnomefreakchowmeined: atm it is broken04:47
SeveredCrossWell, I always do cp -v04:47
chowmeinedso much for that04:47
gnomefreakwe were testing it this morning04:47
rocketsi use grsync04:47
SeveredCrossOh, I forgot about rsync.04:47
SeveredCrossThat's good.04:47
gnomefreakchowmeined: i am unable to reproduce the complaints so its not on all systems04:47
rocketsnot rsync04:47
SeveredCrossSame idea.04:47
SeveredCrossI did totally forget about it.04:48
SeveredCrossWTH it skipped a bunch of stuff...04:49
SeveredCrossrsync: readlink "/media/sda6/music/Iron & Wine" failed: Input/output error (5)04:49
SeveredCrossIs it because of spaces in the path?04:49
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SeveredCrossFuck it, I'll just put up with the lack of information.04:54
SeveredCrossI feel like even Ctrl-C is missing some files.04:55
SeveredCrossOh fuck, I'm getting I/O errors on the disk...Shit.04:56
RAOF!ohmy | SeveredCross04:57
ubotuSeveredCross: Please watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.04:57
RAOFAlso, yes.  You would appear to be in trouble :)04:57
SeveredCrossNot more bad sectors..This would be my second failing drive.04:57
SeveredCrossI wonder if it's just a hosed NTFS partition...04:58
RAOFMaybe.  Booted into windows lately?04:59
SeveredCrossNot since I deleted my Windows partition.05:00
SeveredCrossI should've converted that partition when I still had space to shuffle things around.05:00
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SeveredCrossNow ntfsresize won't let me resize, so I had to go out and buy an external HDD.05:00
SeveredCrossGood thing I did, if this one is dying like my first one did, I'll need it.05:00
RAOFOh.  You've got an ntfs partition you can't repair the errors on.  Hm.05:00
SeveredCrossI've booted up Win XP inside qemu and ran chkdsk still no dice.05:01
SeveredCrosschkdsk says it can't write to a readable spot.05:01
SeveredCrossSo I think either the partition is badly hosed or the drive is going.05:01
RAOFCan you mount partitons inside qemu?  Cool.05:02
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SeveredCrossYou can pass them as physical disks.05:02
SeveredCrossYou have to be root, but you can just pass something like -hdb /dev/sda505:02
SeveredCrossAnd it'll look like a physical disk to qemu.05:02
RAOFAaaaaaah.  Right.05:02
SeveredCrossWow. I can't believe I'm only getting 9 MB/s transfer rate.05:04
SeveredCrossInternal HDD to external HDD, USB2.005:05
SeveredCrossThe external is a 3.5", 7200 rpm drive.05:05
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jscinoz_hey guys05:21
jscinoz_How can i reinstall gtk?05:21
Arwenapt-get install --reinstall <package names>05:22
jscinoz_what is the main gtk package?05:23
jscinoz_alright running the command now, lets see if it works05:24
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anderbubbleI've got an HP LaserJet 1000 installed and configured, but Cups won't print a test page: "Printer not connected: will retry in 30 seconds..."05:25
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jscinoz_gah didnt work, when i try to log in i get "GTK Warning: this process is currently running setuid or setgid" and then it logs me out, what can i do?05:29
alex_mayorgahello, anyone can help me to get back running after 2.6.22-10 broke gnome?05:31
alex_mayorgaafter I log into gdm the desktop tries to load and then crashes back to gdm05:32
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alex_mayorgaI get to see the panels up and down for a couple of seconds, thanks in advance05:32
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noirWhere is the applications menu icon stored in gutsy, i tried replacing distributor-logo.svg and its not changing.05:36
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RAdamsDoes anyone have sound working in Pidgin on Gusty Tribe 4?05:41
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alex_mayorgaI do, not sure on what tribe I am right now, though05:42
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RAdamsalex_mayorga, did it work out of the box for you?05:42
DanaGWow, this here old laptop only has 72 wakeups per second.05:43
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DanaGWhen I'm on my Core Duo system, I get in the 600s, at least.05:44
RAdamsDanaG, it's a deep sleeper05:44
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DanaGAnd a re-frickin-diculously hot-running laptop.05:44
DanaGit idles at 70 C and hits up to 89 at load.05:44
DanaGAnd the fan doesn't turn on until 75.05:45
RAdamsGeorge Foreman Laptop Grille05:45
RAdamspatent it05:45
alex_mayorgaRAdams, yes, luckily :)05:45
DanaGI like some HP stuff, but this cheapo laptop is a 'you get what you pay for' kind of thing.05:45
RAdamsalex_mayorga, what is the sound method? automatic?05:45
RAdamsand are you using (default) for the event sounds?05:46
rikai600s in what?05:46
DanaGIt's an Athlon XP 1400, yet they try to cool it with a tiny heatsink about the size of a pack of gum.05:46
rikai@ DanaG05:46
RAdamsriaki: (23:43:54) DanaG: Wow, this here old laptop only has 72 wakeups per secon05:46
DanaG600 or so wakeups on the Core Duo machine.  Currently, it's being sent in for service, which is why I'm using he old laptop.05:46
RAdamsor as I like to call it05:47
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RAdamsthe LapToaster 5000 XC05:47
DanaGI named this system 'amaterasu'.05:47
alex_mayorgaRAdams, Intle 82801CA-ICH3 (Alsa mixer)05:47
RAdamsDanaG, how fitting ^^05:47
DanaGThis old laptop is a Pavilion ZE1210.  My good laptop is a Gateway M685.05:47
DanaGThe Gateway has the love-it-or-hate-it behavior of always leaving the fan on when connected to AC power.05:48
alex_mayorgaRAdams, and in Pidgin it's Automatic05:48
RAdamsalex_mayorga, using custom Sound command or just "ALSA" from the popup box?05:48
RAdamstinkering brb05:48
rikaiI'm glad, all the laptops/desktops i've set up jsut worked.05:48
DanaGI need a better hostname for the good laptop; my current hostname 'm685' is rather, er, unimaginative.05:48
alex_mayorgaany idea of my new problem on my laptop?05:48
RAdamsfound the problem05:50
RAdamsalsa isn't working :|05:50
RAdamsNVidia nForce3 - IEC95805:50
RAdamstest tone is silent05:50
RAdamsbut I hear sound in the system, rhythmbox, etc05:50
DanaGI tried hwdb-gui on this laptop, and it stalled when showing the caption "Video" but showing the question from Audio.05:51
DanaGs/ when /, /05:51
alex_mayorgacan anyone take a look, please https://answers.launchpad.net/gnome-desktop/+question/1213905:52
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RAdamsalex_mayorga: please post the contents of your most recent gdm log05:54
RAdamsput it in pastebin.org05:54
RAdamsor the pastebin that floats your boat :)05:54
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SeveredCrossObviam marinus  :=  :=  :=  O:=  :=  :=  :=05:56
RAdamsaren't we all05:56
Solarionis the new xorg-video-ati xrandr 1.2 support going to be pulled in to gutsy, or do wa have to wait for gutsy+1?05:57
RAdamsgstreamer-properties only gives a test tone when the output is set to either Automatic or ALSA with the Default card selected... but not with my nVidia nForce3 device selected... the only sound card I have. How odd.05:58
RAdamsanyone know where pidgin's sound files are stored?06:00
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rikaiI want them to replace esd with pulseaudio already... :/06:03
rikaiRAdams, /usr/share/sounds/purple i think?06:04
RAdamsrikai, checking06:04
rikaimakes sense, since the libary for pidgin is named libpurple.06:04
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rikailol, second one today. :D06:04
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RAOFSolarion: I believe that the xorg maintainer wants to pull the xrandr 1.2 driver.  And you can help by testing it!06:06
jscinoz_Alright, I asked before and no one even bothered to reply, i have aserious problem which results in be being unable to login to X properly. Basically whenever i login from GDM, i get an error stating something about Gtk running setgid or setuid. I am then dropped back to GDM. I'm currently typing this from BitchX, as i obviously cant login. How can i fix this problem?06:06
RAdamsjscinoz_: can you post the output of your most recent gdm log?06:07
jscinoz_one second06:08
RAdamsjscinoz_: It's been awhile, but as I recall you can send that log as an email using pine06:08
jscinoz_pine? let me install it06:08
jscinoz_"pine has no installation candidate"06:09
RAdamsIt was another distro, most likely06:09
jscinoz_and aside from that GDM is fine, its my actual session that fails06:09
jscinoz_something about Gtk using setuid or setgid06:10
RAdamsoh wait06:10
RAdamsI saw something on that06:10
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CydeSwypehey gang.  working on getting sound restored.  can someone point me to a good intro to debugging sound?  not sure if it's a gutsy issue or not (not bug ticket in launchpad)06:13
RAdamsjscinoz_: I'm looking for it06:13
ubotuIf you're having problems with sound, first ensure ALSA is selected, by double clicking on the volume control, then File -> Change Device (ALSA Mixer). If that fails, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Sound - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting - http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php?page=DmixPlugin - For playing audio files, see !Players and !MP306:13
RAOFCydeSwype: hda_intel?06:13
CydeSwypeRAOF: believe so, modprobe will tell me right?06:13
RAdamsjscinoz_: do you have lynx installed, or another text-based browser so you can view a low-fi post from the ubuntu forum?06:16
RAdamsI found what I had seen06:16
CydeSwypeRAOF: aplay lists hda intel.  i take it that's a known issue then?06:16
RAdamsGtk-WARNING **: This process is currently running setuid or setgid.06:17
RAdamsThis is not a supported use of GTK+06:17
jscinoz_tyes Radams06:17
RAdamsis that the error, jscinoz_06:17
RAdamsone moment06:17
jscinoz_hang on06:17
alex_mayorgaRAdams, any chance I see the same?06:18
CydeSwypebtw, sound was working on previous kernel (-9)06:18
jscinoz_ill try the things it says on that06:18
alex_mayorgaI'll have a hard time managing to extract the logs :s I'm yet a bit n00b :)06:18
jscinoz_Cydwype, my sound also died with .1006:18
RAOFCydeSwype: You'd be interested in bug #13136806:19
ubotuLaunchpad bug 131368 in linux-ubuntu-modules-2.6.22 "Dell 1420n audio not supported under Gutsy" [High,Triaged]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/13136806:19
CydeSwypeRAOF: perfect.  thanks!  i'll subscribe06:19
RAOFCydeSwype: I'm just testing that proposed fix at the moment.06:19
RAOF(It takes a while to rebuild l-u-m)06:20
jscinoz_Radams, what am i looking for in that thread?06:20
jscinoz_most of that refers to ATI, im using an nvidia card06:21
jscinoz_which was working fine until yesterday, when i tried to update my alsa-drivers from source and one of them messed with gtk somehow06:21
RAdamsjscinoz_: the update you ran likely contained a gtk+ program attempting to run under setuid, which is a no-no. Hence, the crash06:23
jscinoz_so how can  i fix it?06:23
RAdamsCan you remove the driver patch?06:23
jscinoz_already have06:23
jscinoz_and i've tried reinstalling libgtk2.0-0 from console, no luck06:23
jscinoz_any ideas RAdams?06:28
SolarionRAOF: I'd be glad to help test06:28
RAdamsjscinoz_: let me think about it. removing the driver patch should have done it... you might need to reconfigure several packages... >.<06:28
jscinoz_what commands?06:29
jscinoz_and to think simply because of the .10 kernel killing my sound, i've now hosed GTK...06:33
RAdamsjscinoz_: post in the gusty tribe 4 forum as well, in case someone there thinks of an idea06:34
jscinoz_i highly doubt elinks will let me post in a forum..06:35
jscinoz_theres got to be a way to return GTK to its normal state somehow06:36
RAdamsjscinoz_ sorry, forgot you don't have another system. I'll post it for you. what's your forum name?06:38
RAdamsI'll post under my name and mention yours06:38
jscinoz_jscinoz not to sure if i have an acct06:38
jscinoz_i think i do though06:38
alex_mayorgaRAdams, what output did you ask before?06:38
RAdamsalex_mayorga: /var/log/gdm06:38
RAdamsinside are several logs. the most recent one is the one we need to look at06:39
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crackerboxthe new printing system looks great06:40
crackerboxis there a back port of it for fesity?06:40
jscinoz_just thinking if it says GTK is running setgid or setuid, is there a way to remove those from the process?06:41
RAdamsjscinoz_: dpkg-reconfigure libgtk2.0-0 (TRY AT YOUR OWN RISK)06:41
RAdamsit might bork your gtk even further... gtk is crotchety06:42
RAdamsbut it might also work06:42
jscinoz_hango n06:42
jscinoz_done, ill see what happens when i log on this time06:43
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jscinoz_no change.06:43
RAdamsjscinoz_: can you type a forum post for me to paste into ubuntu forums? I'll give you a link to the lo-fi thread so you can read what people post06:45
jscinoz_alright hang on a min06:45
khermans_anyone here running gutsy on x86_64?06:46
khermans_open("/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libmozjs.so", O_RDONLY) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory)06:46
khermans_strace is showing that firefox wont run due to 64-bit libs being whacked06:46
khermans_worked a week ago or so06:46
jscinoz_"Hey everyone, I'm running Ubuntu 7.10 Tribe 4 on a Dell XPS M1330. The most recent kernel update (.10) caused my sound to stop working. After trying to fix this problem by manually installing a newer alsa-driver from source, I can no longer log in. When i log in from GDM i get an error about GTK running setuid or setgid. I've since uninstalled the custom alsa driver, but this has not fixed my problem. My only way to ask for he06:47
jscinoz_behalf) How can i fix this?"06:48
RAOFkhermans_: Work *right now* for me.06:48
jscinoz_hows that Radoms?06:48
khermans_RAOF, can you look at your strace?06:48
khermans_do you have a libe/x86_64-linux-gnu directory?06:49
RAdamsjscinoz_: My only way to ask for he... message truncated06:50
RAdamseverything before that looks fine06:50
jscinoz_alright hang on ill type after that06:50
jscinoz_...lp is through BitchX (console irc client) or elinks (RAdams is posting this on my behalf). What can i do to fix my gtk problem?"06:51
alex_mayorgaRAdams,  a bunch of DISPATCH ERROR! _glapi_add_dispatch failed to add glVertexAttrib4iv! and DISPATCH ERROR! _glapi_add_dispatch failed to add glVertexAttrib4bv! DISPATCH ERROR! _glapi_add_dispatch failed to add glVertexAttrib4ubv! DISPATCH ERROR! _glapi_add_dispatch failed to add glVertexAttrib4usv! DISPATCH ERROR! _glapi_add_dispatch failed to add glVertexAttrib4uiv!06:51
RAdamsalex_mayorga: there's a bug for that on launchpad. try searching launchpad for "_glapi_add_dispatch failed to add"06:52
jscinoz_RAdam's have you got the link to the lofi version of the thread?06:53
alex_mayorgaRAdams, I guess I suck at searching :(06:56
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RAdamsjscinoz_: trying to find the lowfi version, one moment06:59
jscinoz_alright thanks07:00
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RAdamsjscinoz_ I cannot find out a way to switch to "lo-fi" >.< see if this is readable... http://ubuntuforums.org/printthread.php?t=53424307:01
jscinoz_yeah that is, but thats the wrong thread i think07:02
RAdamsshows correct for me07:03
jscinoz_shows some thread about wifi for me07:03
jscinoz_dont worry, the full version displays well enough07:04
RAdamsk lol07:04
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RAdamsI'm going to bed, but I've marked your forum thread to see what happens. Good luck!07:04
jscinoz_Alright thanks07:04
jscinoz_im going to go watch TV or something CLI linux isn't much fun >_<07:05
jscinoz_you too07:05
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Dana1Hmm, trying to use either ShadowFB or EXA on savage results in visual corruption.07:07
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MrChickenI'm trying to find a php4 deb package for gutsy07:10
AssidMrChicken: move to php507:10
Assidphp4 has reached EOL07:11
MrChickenAssid... I will be, but it takes time to migrate a big project into php507:11
MrChickenand I kinda wanted to move to gutsy07:12
Assidyuo might have to do it from source..07:12
Assidphp developers themselves dont support php4 anymore07:12
Assidso i cant think why kubuntu release maintainers would want to have the headaches to manage them07:13
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MrChickenhehe right :(07:13
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Dana1What exactly is shadowfb?07:15
CydeSwypeMrChicken: php from source is pretty straightforward07:15
CydeSwypeso long as you don't need a ton of modules compiled in07:15
MrChickenI just need php as an apache module07:16
Assidyou will need more than that07:17
Assidlike mysql/pgsql support and a few things here and there07:17
Assidso you could just install php from source.. as i said07:17
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Adlaiwhat happened to xwinwrap/has it been replaced by something07:22
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Dana1!search zd1211.ko feisty07:28
ubotuFound: fawn, slow, nvu, audacious, deluge, kde, shipit, feisty, pidgin, releaseparty07:28
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DanaG!help search07:28
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about help search - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi07:28
Assidhow come avant window navigator never made it to gutsy ?07:29
RAOFAssid: Because noone packaged it.07:29
Assid:( and i cant even get it to run from source07:29
RAOFThere's a Debian ITP for it, it'll probably make it into gutsy+107:29
RAOFAssid: These facts may well be related :)07:30
Assidyou ever managed to get it running07:30
RAOFBut it's not really useful.07:30
RAOFIt's not as good a task bar as gnome-panel, basically.07:31
RAOFIt's shiny, though.07:31
Assidhrmm gnome panel doesnt give you something like how mac's dock work07:33
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RAOFAssid: Neither really does awn.07:33
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Assideh ?07:34
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fsckrhmm how come nvidia-glx 9755 driver isnt' in repos?  only option i have is 100.14.11 and 9639, 718507:39
fsckri would like to downgrade from 100.14.11 to 975507:39
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DanaGYou can dig around on a mirror for older debs.07:40
pavkahello all07:40
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fsckrDanaG, i just uninstalled the 100.14.11 and I'll download 9755 from nvidia07:41
alex_mayorgaany help with https://answers.launchpad.net/gnome-desktop/+question/1213907:41
pavkaeverybody knows why dont working output to ttyS0 in xen kernel (gutsy)? In generic kernel it works.07:41
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CydeSwypeAssid, do you need help installing awn?07:50
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CydeSwypei can probably walk you through07:50
CydeSwypeit has a good number of packages needed to build it07:50
Assidsure.. i did make install. i have the preferences icon in the menu07:50
Assidhwoever when i run it nothing happens07:50
CydeSwypeand like RAOF said, it's not exactly like mac dock, but i think it's pretty darned close07:50
CydeSwypehave you tried running from command line?07:51
fsckrok uninstalling nvidia-glx-new and installing 9755 didnt work.  when I installed 9755 i got module glx missing error.  How do I successfully downgrade from 100.14.11 to 9755 in gutsy?07:51
CydeSwypethat would show you if an error was occurring07:51
AssidCydeSwype: http://assid.pastebin.com/d566bd59507:51
CydeSwypefsckr, i was having trouble with glx recently...my solution was to install a different glx (new for me) and then reactivate in restricted drivers.  restricted driver manager wasn't installing properly until i forced something else in it's place07:53
CydeSwypebut that's not exactly downgrading...just another solution to consider07:53
CydeSwypeassid, when was the last time you did a bzr update and re-made it?07:53
Assidbzr update ?07:54
CydeSwypethe project is VERY active and there's an update almost daily07:54
fsckrwell CydeSwype gutsy repos doesn't have nvidia-glx 9755 drivers it has everything in between...07:54
CydeSwypebzr is bazaar, it's like subversion or any other repository07:54
Assidoh.. hrmm dont have that07:54
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Assidhmm speaking of glx.. i wonder if i should use the nvidia drivers from the site07:55
CydeSwypeassid, https://launchpad.net/awn07:55
CydeSwypeyou'll need to install bazaar (via apt-get)07:55
CydeSwypethen you can grab the source and build07:55
Assidyeah downloading bzr now07:55
Assidalthough http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~awn-core/awn/trunk is down07:56
CydeSwypefsckr, yeah, i was running some other version before the -10 kernel upgrade which hosed me07:56
Assidso i got the sources somewhere else07:56
CydeSwypei had to grab fresh, default drivers via the restricted driver manager07:56
fsckri can successfully uninstall 100.14.11 but when I install 9755 glx fails to load and me doesn't understand07:57
AssidCydeSwype: doesnt work for me07:58
AssidInstalled schema `/schemas/apps/avant-window-navigator/title/font_size' for locale `C'07:58
Assidmake[3] : *** [install-data-local]  Error 107:58
Assidmake[3] : Leaving directory `/opt/sysinstaller/avant-window-navigator-0.1.1/data'07:58
grumpymoleAssid: There is also a script getAWN.sh that will automatically downoad latest bzr updates for AWN, compile them and relaunch AWN, if you want to stay up-to-date with the latest bzr developments07:58
Assidgrumpymole:  the bzr resource is down07:59
grumpymolelink here: http://grumpymole.blogspot.com/2007/08/awn-staying-up-to-date-with-latest.html07:59
grumpymolei see, but when it up again07:59
Assidbeen 2 weeks since ive been trying awn07:59
Assidgave up on it finally07:59
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Assidim going to bed08:02
Assidmy eyes are burning08:02
Assidi dont know how you guys keep your eyes open for more than 18 hours a day08:03
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CydeSwypenot sure what happened to the bzr repo...08:04
CydeSwypemaybe just down for tonight08:04
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DanaGOdd: pidgin's "close tab" buttons are now links.08:05
CydeSwypeaighty i'm off too.  assid, we'll try again some other time  =^)08:06
DanaGFor some reason, this laptop isn't recognizing cardbus cards until I remove and reinsert them twice.08:07
DanaGCorrection: I sometimes have to sudo pccardctl insert.08:07
fsckrthis makes no sense..why would gutsy only have choices for 9631 or 100.14.11 nvidia drivers08:08
DanaGDamn, kernel oops.  Time to reboot.08:08
crdlbfsckr, it also has 7184 :P08:09
crdlbmake that 718508:09
fsckryea i know08:10
fsckrive tried uninstalling 100.14.11 and i can do that with np but when i install 9755 and try to log back into X i get this http://pastebin.ca/66990708:10
crdlbdid you upgrade/reinstall libgl1-mesa-glx after installing 9755?08:13
fsckrno i didn't not is that required? i wasn't aware08:13
crdlbno that would have caused this though :)08:13
fsckrwell lemme try this again08:13
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musikgoathi folks,  I'm looking for help with network manager,  ever since I've updated to gutsy, at first I could only connect to non encrypted networks, but now I cannot even connect to unencrypted networks anymore08:28
musikgoatwith my intel pro3945abg card08:30
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juri__hey, i just successfully upgraded from feisty to gutsy, everything else seems to work ok except evolution/bogofilter spam filtering09:22
jscinozwoo i fixed GTK09:22
jscinozi win the interwebs :P09:22
juri__i had been having some complaints about bdb versions so i did the dump wordlist - recreate it dance, but it doesn't seem to help09:22
juri__i don't see any complaints in .xsession-errors, but ~/.bogofilter/wordlist.db doesn't see any action and all spam gets through09:23
juri__has anyone else had problems with this?09:23
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jscinozHow can i upgrade from tribe 4 to tribe 5?09:25
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contrast83Greets, everyone...11:00
contrast83Any other Kubuntu users having problems with the navigation panel in Konqueror?11:02
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ksivajianyone using gusty here ?11:09
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coNPksivaji: I guess everyone is.11:10
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Jordan_Ucontrast83, Have you looked at launchpad to see if any bugs have been filed?11:29
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contrast83Jordan_U: not yet11:30
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contrast83scratch that. just filed one.11:36
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Do``The following packages have been kept back:  xserver-xorg-video-all11:58
Do``i just got this when upgrading11:58
Do``and to get the new version i need to11:58
Do``The following extra packages will be installed: xserver-xorg-video-amd11:58
Do``the question is why11:58
Do``i have nothing in my pc that has an amd logo on it11:58
Do``my cpu is intel core2 and my graphics card is nvidia11:59
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RAOFDo``: We install all possible video drivers by default.  They're not very big, if you don't use them they don't get run, and if you ever change your hardware things can just work.12:03
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Do``i see12:09
Do``thanks for explaining it .)12:09
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juri__re: my issue with bogofilter, turns out you have to select it in mail preferences -> junk -> default junk plugin, hope it works now12:10
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Tribe5userIs the the plugin finder for firefox working?12:14
RAOFTribe5user: No idea.  I presume so?12:17
Tribe5userit just hangs for me, where do I report bugs, the ubufox package?12:19
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Assidstupid kernel image12:28
Assidit lags my machine if idle12:28
Assidif i leave my machine idle.. and come back to use it later..it just lags like crazy12:35
Assidalso right now.. im not sure what got updated. But since the last 1-2 updates, general usage wise as well its slower (with compiz)12:36
Assidyep sluggish without compiz as well12:39
Assidi think its the nvidia-glx12:41
Assiderr.. anyoneknow which drivers of nvidia is used for the 6600GT?12:41
RAOFEither nvidia-glx or nvidia-glx-new, depending on what you've selected.12:42
Assiderr.. im using nvidia-glx12:43
Assidbut im thinking i;ll use the nvidia drivers from the nvidia site12:43
Assidits too sluggish12:43
RAOFAssid: Please don't.12:43
RAOFnvidia-glx-new contains the latest nvidia drivers.12:44
Assidi do remember nvidia-glx getting updated in adept in one of the last 2-3 updates.. after which X has been always cpu hungry12:44
Assidand ui being rather unresponsive at times12:44
Jordan_UAssid, Have you checked for any bug reports and if there are none filed one yourself?12:45
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Utnubuhi all12:46
UtnubuDoes anyone know how I can enable hpet in Gutsy kernel without recompiling?12:47
RAOFYou need to do it in your bios, if I remember correctly.12:47
UtnubuRAOF: I have a Laptop bios which has nearly no options.12:54
UtnubuMaybe I need the force hpet patches12:54
RAOFThat would be it.  Which means you'd need to recompile.12:55
UtnubuAnother problem is the i8042 interrupt but this seems to be the touchpad.12:56
UtnubuRAOF: Which isn't so good on a live cd :)12:56
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AssidRAOF: i tried. but last time they just got rid of my bug12:58
Assidcancelled or something12:58
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RAOFAssid: Probably "invalid".  Also, I don't think I've suggested you file a bug :)12:59
Assidpersonally tho if they i dont have a usable gui that doesnt go crazy and i cant use compiz, im prolly heading back to xp12:59
Assidyeah invalid12:59
Assidi cant have my machine lock up cause i leave it idle and come back to a broken link01:00
Assidwithout compiz as well.. its laggish01:00
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hyljeyou can have compiz on xp? :P01:00
Assidthe 6600GT is a pretty decent card. And its pretty hard to believe i cant get a decent performance out of it01:01
Assidhylje: thats why i said with compiz on linux01:01
RAOFAssid: So, try to check out what's actually wrong.  A "my computer is sluggish" bug is unfixable, unless you can give more info :)01:01
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finalbetahow do I install the headers for my current kernel? The tribe 5 cleared the tribe 4 kernel headers en the tribe 5 kernel doesn't boot. No I can't start my vmware01:01
AssidRAOF: i even told them its something either in the earlier kernel.. or nvidia-glx01:01
Assidbut i will boot into the older kernel and try01:02
Assidalthough the nvidia-glx driver is gonna  remain the same01:02
RAOFAssid: So, if it's a problem with nvidia-glx, there's *nothing* we can do.01:02
Assidthats why i wanted to know which drivers do i get from nvidia's site for nvidia-glx ?01:02
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finalbetaif I search in synaptic, there are no headers anymore for my kernel.01:02
UtnubuI have found a way to compile only two modules of the Ubuntu kernel (the sony_acpi component for brightness and centrino-speedstep for undervoltaging) so there is no need for a new kernel. The problem is that sony_acpi is now integrated in ubuntu-modules which prevents me from compiling it against the standard kernel. This don't mean that it is impossible but I don't know how. Anyone have a idea?01:03
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Assidalso opengl apps + compiz = hell .. however feisty used to work with opengl app +compiz01:03
Assidalrite brb .. formula1 qualifying01:03
Assid+ will come back and finish this site development.. it shoulda been done 2 days ago :(01:04
AssidRAOF: will buzz youlaters :P01:04
RAOFAssid: Anyway, I suggest Xgl.01:04
RAOFIt fixes all the nvidia crap.01:04
Assidno 3d accel :(01:04
Assidthere is 3d acc ?01:05
RAOFNo direct rendering, which is in no way equivalent to no 3d accel.01:05
RAOFAssid: There *is* 3d accel.01:05
RAOFWine hates Xgl, but that's a wine bug.01:05
Utnubu3d accel is very bad on intel hardware according to powertop :)01:06
hyljewine opengl doesnt like it01:06
Assidi actually use wine for alot of things01:06
hyljebut directx emul does01:06
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Assidand i do mean ALOT of things01:06
RAOFAssid: You can always go "DISPLAY=:0 wine <foo>"01:06
Assidhrmm true01:06
UtnubuRAOF: and xv hates Xgl => nearly any video player, and screen resolution hates Xgl and VNC hates XGL and so on :)01:06
Utnubueverything is the fault of the apps but not of compiz01:07
Assideverything hates xgl ?01:07
RAOFUtnubu: Not that i've noticed.01:07
UtnubuVNC doesn't work at least in past01:07
Utnubuno screen updates01:07
Assidhrmm i need vnc!01:07
UtnubuXV doesn't work on intel hardware01:07
RAOFUtnubu: Compiz problem.01:07
RAOFUtnubu: But does under Xgl01:07
Assidi access my box remotely quite often01:07
finalbetaHow do I install headers files for 2.6.22-9?01:07
Assidcompiz + xgl = issues for vnc ?01:07
UtnubuRAOF: Afaik the VNC happens on both 3d desktops01:07
RAOFfinalbeta: You don't, they've probably been removed from the archives.01:08
RAOFUtnubu: Yes.  Compiz breaks VNC.01:08
UtnubuAnd if I change resolution in tribe 5 I got a black screen with only mouse01:08
RAOFActually, it's probably Composite that breaks VNC, but eh.01:08
finalbetaWhaa. So I now have a useless install.01:08
Assidfinalbeta: kwin --replace &01:08
Assidget back on kwin01:09
Assidok brb.. after f101:09
UtnubuAssid: If you are the only one who mange vnc connection it is no problem, only remote control doesn't work01:09
AssidUtnubu: i need remote control.. i sometimes login from my cell phone01:09
Utnubuok, then no compiz until the fix it01:09
Assidhavent done it recvently however so i dont even know it works.. last time i did  was when i was on windows01:09
Utnubuthe bug is open01:09
Assidany luck of it being done before gutsy goes public ?01:10
Assidor am i waiting for gutsy+1 ?01:10
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Assidim sooo confused01:11
Assidalrite im outta here.. bb 40 mins01:12
finalbetaAssid, it will take allot longer then Gutsy +101:12
Utnububut the strange thing is that in Gutsy compiz is enabled by default01:12
UtnubuAssid: At least it has high priority01:12
Assidk brb.. i wanna watch f101:12
finalbetaThey wont enable it.01:12
Utnubufinalbeta: It is enabled at least on Live CDs and this is the plan afaik01:13
finalbetaIt will be" more available "01:13
finalbetaread the dev list, they wont enable it.01:13
ubotuLaunchpad bug 77442 in vino "No screen updates when using desktop-effects with vnc" [High,Confirmed] 01:13
Utnubufinalbeta: cool :)01:13
Utnubushould be produce less bug reports01:14
finalbetasanity will stop them from doing so.01:14
finalbetayou would have to be mad to put something out by default that brakes whole other parts of the system.01:15
Assidokay advertisement01:18
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UtnubuRAOF: Do you know what "long term" Power usage means in powertop?01:32
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Assiddo you guys think i should upgrade my machine to a c2q ? q6600 ? .. i currently have a p4 3ghz01:41
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anderssonsupdate.manager -d gives me "current dist not found in meta-release file" ???01:47
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rockydoes anyone know if there is an active problem where the Tracker search option doesn't show up in deskbar-applet even when libdeskbar-tracker is installed?01:48
Hobbseeanderssons: likely saying that gutsy isnt released, yes.01:49
anderssonsHobbsee: but update manager gives me no option to update to tribe 401:50
anderssonsim on feisty01:51
rockywhat's the best way to troubleshoot deskbar-applet issues?01:53
rockylog location perhaps?01:53
Hobbseeanderssons: do you have feisty-proposed?01:54
ubotuGutsy Gibbon is the code name for the next release of Ubuntu (7.10) | (due October 2007) | It is development software, as such unstable, support _only_ in #ubuntu+101:54
ubotuFor upgrading, see the instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes01:54
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Assidi cant boot to the previous kernel and have x :(02:11
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nosrednaekimyou got intel or ATI graphics?02:15
nosrednaekim*nvidia or ati02:15
Assiddammit.. stop confusing me.. this code is already refusing to work02:15
Assidnvidia - 6600GT02:16
nosrednaekimyeah... there you go. It uninstalls the previous kernel driver so as not to have conflicts or something... ATI did that for me.02:16
nosrednaekimchange the driver to nv, an it should work.02:16
Assidwell.. im tyring to find out if the kernel image is causing a problem for me.. OR if its nvidia-glx02:16
Assidsomething is causing my machine to start acting strange after its idle for some time02:16
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Assidthere.. ui is lagging already now02:25
Assidcheckt his : 20180 assid     15   0 82640  22m  17m S   44  1.5   1:06.14 kftpgrabber02:26
Assid6042 root      16   0 92524  54m 6432 R   45  3.6   3:09.88 Xorg02:26
Assid45% cpu by xorg02:27
Assidthing is.. i cant really reportt tyhis02:27
Assidso it becomes totally unusable and unresponsive02:28
Assidand i keep saying something is wrong .. but they just mark as invalid and close it. they dont ask me to try another package or whatever02:29
nosrednaekimdoes "nv" fix anything?02:30
Assidif i use nv .. no more compiz..02:34
Assidand i get the lag even when im not on compiz02:34
Assidi guess i can try it .. but let me finish this script first02:34
Assidyou want me to use the current kernel... with nv driver right ?02:36
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Assidbah this is absolutely unusable02:39
Assidhold on.. i think i will do it now02:39
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Assidokay im using nvidia .. no compiz..  default kwin02:42
Assidlets see what happens02:42
Assidneed to use it a bit first to see if it starts lagging02:43
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Assid7790 assid     15   0 82248  22m  17m S   36  1.5   1:17.71 kftpgrabber02:45
Assidstarting to feel a bit ..02:45
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Assidwindows are sluggish.. thats kinda odd for kwin right ?02:46
nosrednaekimare you all updated?02:47
Assidyep.. everynight ... first thing i recheck is updates.. even though i do have adept notifier on02:47
nosrednaekimI had problems with what you are mentioning on my ati card, but only if I wake up after a suspend02:48
nosrednaekimotherwise its fine02:48
Assidi can see the old trailing windows02:48
risnew kdm colour scheme - im not a fan im sorry to say02:48
nosrednaekimdoes it look like your disk is being used alot?02:48
nosrednaekimris: little to green for you?02:48
Assidcould be google desktop too.. thats what i was just checking02:48
Assidnow if i can only figure out how to shut it off02:48
risnosrednaekim: one of my little design rules is never mix blue-purple with blue-green02:49
Assidhrmm windows still leaves a trail02:49
risnosrednaekim: choose a side and stick to it02:49
nosrednaekimI think they are trying to move all the way to blue-green02:49
Assid6709 root      15   0 52508  36m 6628 S   19  2.4   0:43.47 Xorg02:49
risnosrednaekim: and actually the backdrop itself is hovering on the border02:49
Assidtime to try nv instead02:49
risnosrednaekim: well i hope they make up their minds, because the two clash horribly02:50
nosrednaekimris: yeah... thats a known bug with the artwork.02:50
nosrednaekimits not centered, right?02:50
nosrednaekimris: you can go to #kubuntu-devel and voice your concerns.02:51
risnosrednaekim: man, i keep finding out about new channels02:51
risas long as its a known issue02:52
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nosrednaekimthe uncentered login? it was in tribe4 at least.02:53
Assidnosrednaekim: nope,.. cant use nv driver02:55
Assidscreen comes up with Hz ?02:55
Assiddamn.. dont know what to do02:56
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finalbetaHello, what is klog? It's taking 50% CPU for me.02:58
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jscinozhow can i upgrade from tribe 4 to 5?03:00
TheInfinityjscinoz: just make a (dist) upgrade03:01
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shirishhey guys, does anybody know about /etc/fstab03:02
shirishesp. where barrier=1 should be used?03:03
Assidhttp://www.mediafire.com/?3ekyzmnkm2c <--- there..03:03
Assidwhen i move a window around.. it lags..03:04
Assidi mean move super fast.. i got clones all over03:04
Assidthis is using nvidia 6600GT03:04
Assidand oh yeha.. the nvidia-glx drivers03:04
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Assidif anyone can get this to the release maintainers would be great03:06
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Assidhrmm ,, even the bouncy icon (when you start a new app.. the icon bouncing at the mouse side) has got a trail03:07
tehkWhat app is this?03:07
Assidthunderbird.. firefox.. anything03:11
ubotuLaunchpad bug 129340 in linux-restricted-modules-2.6.22 "System slow downs with desktop effects enabled" [Undecided,New] 03:12
Assidyeo the last 2 are me03:12
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jscinozcheer theinfinity03:15
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Do``http://www.theregister.co.uk/2006/01/31/google_goes_desktop_linux/ <- woo?03:39
sparrsince upgrade to gutsy, when i rotate my desktop with xrandr it doesnt resize, so i have a large black rectangle on one side.  would that be a bug in xserver-xorg or something more specific?03:42
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probonohi all, is there a way to fine-tune the new visual effects? for example, i find it not logical that newly-opened windows fade in "shrinking" rather than "growing"04:01
stdinprobono: install compizconfig-settings-manager and change it04:04
probonothanks stdin04:04
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cyphaseAnyone know why UXTerm and XTerm are in the applications menu in gutsy?04:05
probonostdin: do you happen to know which package contains ubuntu's default configuration for compiz? i'd like to file a wishlist item04:06
nosrednaekimisn' there a compiz-ubuntu?04:06
stdinprobably compiz-gnome04:07
jussi01!info compix-ubuntu04:07
ubotuPackage compix-ubuntu does not exist in gutsy04:07
jussi01!info compiz-ubuntu04:07
ubotuPackage compiz-ubuntu does not exist in gutsy04:07
jussi01!info compiz-gnome04:07
ubotucompiz-gnome: OpenGL window and compositing manager - GNOME window decorator. In component main, is optional. Version 1:0.5.2-0ubuntu4 (gutsy), package size 164 kB, installed size 1388 kB04:07
probonothanks a lot04:08
cyphaseDo``: about that goobuntu link.. it's from January of 200604:09
cyphaseDo``: they're using it in-house, but it's not for distribution04:10
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AmendtPidgin is now 2.1.1   Can I turn off who is leaving/entering this channel?04:25
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SeveredCrossWell that was nice.04:33
ArwenBah, I know him. It's no big deal.04:33
cheeseboyArwen: what u doin here u ubuntu hater04:35
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Arwensame to you, aren't you on Debian Etch?04:35
cheeseboyi was switched back tho cause wireless failed on etch04:36
frafuHello, Could anybody please check whether at-spi-registryd is running at gdmlogin (= plain login screen)? I would like to know whether it is a problem in ubuntu-gutsy or only a problem with my setup. Thanks in advance.04:36
cheeseboyi was nvr ubuntuu hater tho :-P04:36
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finalbetaI keep getting this and eventually my system freezes, now I don't use that card. Can someone help me blacklist it? http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/34996/04:53
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nosrednaekimfinalbeta: gimme a lsmod please04:57
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finalbetanosrednaekim: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.22/+bug/13459304:58
ubotuLaunchpad bug 134593 in linux-source-2.6.22 "System Freeze Tribe 5 Kernel" [Undecided,New] 04:58
finalbetait's posted in that bug report, perhaps the other information is of use to you too.04:58
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finalbetaI'm on Tribe 5 now, no freeze yet, but it never took longer then half an hour.05:00
nosrednaekimfinalbeta: I need your lsmod... its not on that bug-report05:01
finalbetaohw,  sry05:02
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finalbetanosrednaekim: http://launchpadlibrarian.net/8982298/lsmod.txt05:03
nosrednaekimedit "/etc/modprobe.d/blacklist" and add the line "blacklist prism54" to the end.05:05
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nosrednaekimfinalbeta_: did you get my last message?05:09
finalbeta_yes, I had just done that05:10
sparrcan anyone confirm that moving buttons in kde child panels is broken in gutsy?05:10
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nemikdamnit, irq 23 on t61's still randomly drops and then usb ports stop working05:11
finalbeta_nosrednaekim: it's not loading anymore, will see if it helps or not. Thank you for your help.05:11
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sparror even non-child panels05:12
nemikhow is usb ports stopping to work every 7 minutes on a top business laptop 'medium importance'?05:12
finalbeta_nosrednaekim: for some reason klogd is taking 100PU in tribe 5. perhaps that has something to do with it, I close it down manually.05:14
sparrnemik: how is "top business laptop" relevant?05:15
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sparranyone using i810 x display driver in gutsy right now?  verify a bug for me?05:28
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nosrednaekimsparr: do you have your panel locked?05:30
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_Shade_does gutsy have compiz-fusion on its repos, or just the older version?05:31
sparrthe buttons are movable05:31
sparrbut they dont move correctly05:31
sparrthe outline box sometimes displays in the wrong place, or not at all, and when i drop them sometimes OTHER buttons jump around05:31
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nubbeWill xorg 7.3 be in gutsy?05:37
sparrso, can you verify?05:38
nosrednaekimnubbe: no05:38
nosrednaekimsparr: nope..i'm on fiesty right now until I can update some things in gutsy05:39
sparroh, k05:39
sparrif i had it to do over again, id stick to feisty on my tablet05:39
nubbenosrednaekim,  okay05:39
sparrmight reinstall05:39
nosrednaekimnubbe: although a good amount of the technology in 7.3 was backported for 7.205:40
nosrednaekimeverything but hotswapping of monitors pretty much05:41
nubbenosrednaekim, k, that sounds a bit better :)  I had trouble finding what is actually happening with "ubuntu+1"05:42
nosrednaekimBulletproof x is still go.05:43
nubbeis there any good place to see what's in and out?  the About Ubuntu/testing is a bit fuzzy05:44
nosrednaekimnot sure... maybe #ubuntu-motu05:44
ArwenBulletproof X is still go? I haven't seen a trace of it.05:45
nosrednaekimfrom what I heard, yes05:46
Stormx2What is bulletproof x?05:49
ArwenThe idea that X should never crash/fail/etc05:49
nosrednaekimor at least failunrecoverably05:50
nubbea fallback graphical environment when regular X is broken05:51
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ragatuhi everyone06:04
ragatuI just booted the gutsy gibbon tribe 5 livecd, and enabled extra effects...but I only get wobbly windows, how do I get the cube?06:06
ragatucan someone help?06:07
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ralphCan some one tell me how to get around the bcm43xx errors upon boot up? I am unable to figure out how to get around them and complete the boot up.06:11
ragatuhow do I have access to compiz fusion configuration manager in gutsy gibbon tribe 5?06:12
nosrednaekimralph: boot into recovery mode, edit /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist and blacklist bcm43xx06:13
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ralphnosrednaekim: Will the work for booting the first time off of the live cd?06:14
nosrednaekimoh.. off the liveCD06:14
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ralphnosrednaekim: That is my problem. I can not get around these blood error codes and complete a live cd boot up.06:15
nosrednaekimralph: do the alternate installer..06:15
ragatunosrednaekim do u know how do I access compiz fusion configuration manager in gutsy gibbon tribe 5?06:15
nosrednaekimragatu: DL "ccsm" the compiz settings manager06:16
ragatunosrednaekim thanks06:16
ralphnosrednaekim: ok, off to download that cd. Thanks06:16
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ragatunosrednaekim do I just install ccsm or do I have to install all those extra plugins and backend config and all that?06:19
nosrednaekimIDK... just get what it reccomends...06:19
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Arwengently? o.O06:46
penguin42is it mostly stable with the normal bunch of problems or are there any nasties?06:46
Arwenseems to vary with the user. Works fine here.06:46
penguin42Arwen: Well it's got to the point where a bunch of my bug reports are at the 'please try them in gutsy' stage - and I can get myself out of most problems but if it's still flaky I'll wait06:46
penguin42are there any particular known nasties?06:48
SeveredCrossWorks fine for me.06:48
nosrednaekimpenguin42: kubuntu has some bad artwork.. thats about all i've heard.06:49
penguin42hmm OK, I'll do a distupgrade06:49
Arwennosrednaekim, bad artwork? Screenshot please.06:52
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nosrednaekimArwen: the boot splash and kdm screen is not centered06:52
penguin42damn, one of those really nasty problems06:53
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shirishhi all, anybody up?07:07
penguin42all asleep07:07
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shirishArwen: hey ;)07:08
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shirishguys I am trying to get where xfce4-netload-plugin is put up on launchpad07:09
shirishI am not able to find an entry for xfce4-netload-plugin on launchpad07:09
shirishwhile aptitude & dpkg -l shows them perfectly  xfce4-netload-plugin07:10
Arwentry searching under the source package07:10
shirishArwen: how?07:10
Arwenapt-get source xfce4-netload-plugin, then see what it downloads07:11
Arwenthat'll be the source package name07:11
IntuitiveNippleAnyone know which gnome start-up script is likely to handle the Log-In sound (settings are in ~/.gnome2/sound/events/gnome-2.soundlist) but using inotifywait & lsof I can't capture the process that is accessing it07:11
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shirishArwen: it downloads xfce4-netload-plugin-versionno.07:12
mtfuchsdoes usplash meanwhile support typing in luks passwords during the boot process whithout stopping usplash?07:12
shirishArwen: got it, my bad07:13
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finalbeta_anyone else who has Gstreamer broken after upgrading to tribe 5?07:26
SeveredCrossNope, Gstreamer is fine.07:27
Arwendunno, haven't checked07:27
__timbroken how? upgrade from what?07:27
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penguin42hmm update-manager -d   doesn't show anything07:28
finalbeta_upgrade from tribe 407:28
finalbeta_internal gstreamer error, state change failed.07:29
Arwentotem-gstreamer is parsing my files right, so I think it's local to your setup07:29
SeveredCrossBanshee plays things correctly, as does Totem on my end.07:30
finalbeta_ok, thanks, must be on my end only.07:30
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sparrapt thinks that knetworkmanager is an autoremove candidate.  bug?07:42
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qazibasithi ppls07:47
qazibasithow are you?07:47
qazibasitcan anyone tell me how can i compile my c codes in ubuntu07:47
Arwenyour c codes?07:47
SeveredCrossIf you're trying to compile a C program, you're looking for gcc.07:48
qazibasiti mean my C scripts07:48
SeveredCrosssudo apt-get install build-essential07:48
qazibasitbut it is saying that lib not found07:48
Arwenqazibasit, gcc -o out file.c07:48
Arwenof course it's more complicated than just that, but oh well07:48
hyljeqazibasit: the usual libs installed do not include development headers07:48
qazibasitya i was doing this but it is saying stdio.h is missing07:48
qazibasitwhat do you mean ok07:48
qazibasitso now i will use the sudo apt-get command07:49
SeveredCrossBuild-essential should fetch the correct libs IIRC.07:49
qazibasitE: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?07:50
qazibasitwhat should i do now07:50
Arwendo you have adept/synaptic/whatever running?07:52
qazibasitwhat is this07:52
qazibasiti am just upgrading my files right now07:52
qazibasitthere is an update notification07:52
Arwenoh, in which case you can't install anything07:52
qazibasitand thats all07:52
Arwenonly one package manager can run at a time07:53
qazibasitbut i thought that this is a multi threaded OS07:53
qazibasiti mean multi tasking07:53
qazibasitmeans multiple things at one time07:54
SeveredCrossYou can multitask.07:54
SeveredCrossBut package management is not a multitaskable task.07:54
Arwenmulti-tasking requires you to write code multi-threaded. If you want to think of a scheme where two programs can change random files on your system without conflicting, be my guest07:54
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SeveredCrossBecause different package managers could install different versions of different packages.07:54
SeveredCrossIf there were two allowed to run at the same time.07:55
SeveredCrossSo, package management forces a lock on the package database to prevent package conflicts.07:55
qazibasittell me one more thing07:55
qazibasitlike can i install packages of my fedora on ubuntu07:55
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SeveredCrossWell, technically, yes, but it's a bad idea.07:55
qazibasitlinux is the same07:55
SeveredCrossBecause Fedora uses RPM and Ubuntu uses APT/Dpkg?07:56
troxorhas anyone noticed that dpkg hangs and zombies around halfway through a daily upgrade?07:56
SeveredCrossAnd files aren't necessarily laid out the same in a given package.07:56
Arwentroxor, no07:56
SeveredCrossGenerally there's an equivalent Ubuntu package--just do apt-cache search package-name07:56
SeveredCrosstroxor: Ditto what Arwen said, nope.07:56
qazibasitbut i think RPM is good than this dpkg07:56
qazibasitcoz i think RPM has a huge library than dpkg07:56
qazibasitand thats more compitable07:56
SeveredCrossThen use Fedora?07:57
penguin42qazibasit: You can use 'alien' to install RPMs on debian based systems; but you really shouldn't unless it's the only way07:57
SeveredCrossOr build a Debian-based distro that uses RPM.07:57
Arwenqazibasit, um.... NO07:57
qazibasitno fedora is not detecting some of my device drivers07:57
Arwenand please try to talk in English07:57
qazibasitand i feel that ubuntu is more easy to use07:57
qazibasitand sorry my friend my english is not good07:57
SeveredCrossAnd the .deb package library is just as big as RPM, they're just a bit harder to find sometimes.07:57
Arwenthere might be a lot of RPMs out there, but it's not like they're all compatible07:58
Arwensince there are multiple versions of Red Hat, SuSE, Fedora Core, etc etc07:58
SeveredCrossI don't have a single piece of software that I couldn't find a Debian/Ubuntu package.07:58
ArwenSeveredCross, I have 2 :-)07:58
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SeveredCrossWhich ones?07:58
Arwenand several other packages manually recompiled07:58
SeveredCrossOh, actually, one package whose .deb is horrendously outdated--aMule.07:58
SeveredCrossThat's the only thing I've built from source on Gutsy that I can recall.07:59
qazibasitisnt it hard for a programmer to develop same packages on different versions07:59
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Arwenqazibasit, no07:59
SeveredCrossNot really.07:59
qazibasithow come07:59
spazi just upgraded from feisty to gutsy and now i can't boot the 2.6.22-10 kernel included by default07:59
Arwenthe developer writes one upstream version which individual distro developers patch and stuff to get working07:59
spazit spews out nothing but "read outside of bounds" errors (something like that, actually)07:59
SeveredCrossBuilding debian packages might be a bit harder than RPM's, but they're generally better IMO.07:59
qazibasitoh now i got it08:00
SeveredCrossspaz: Hmm...Can you be more specific about the error?08:00
spazSeveredCross, i wish lol08:00
spazit's a series of errors, really08:00
spazlet me see if i can't find it08:00
penguin42SeveredCross: Interesting; I find it easier to build debian packages08:00
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SeveredCrossActually to be totally honest I've never built an RPM, but it always seemed easier from the guides I've seen.08:01
qazibasitwell then u might be using ubuntu for a long time penguin4208:01
SeveredCrossI know you can build .deb's without problems using checkinstall but that's not quite what I meant by a debian package.08:01
qazibasitand u have it on ur reflexes08:01
SeveredCrossAnd checkinstall can build RPM's and all kinds of other packages.08:01
SeveredCrossI'm not familiar with the other debian package building stuff though, but I wish I was.08:01
penguin42qazibasit: Nod; I do find I have to use RPMs at work though and don't like having to get them to build08:01
penguin42ok does anyone know if there is a bug along the lines of 'update-manager -d  doesn't show gutsy' ?08:02
qazibasitwell guys i am feeling like i am lost here because this is all too complicated08:02
qazibasiti also have aother very lame question08:03
SeveredCrosspenguin42: Yes, a lot of people have been having that issue.08:03
penguin42SeveredCross: OK; I seem to remember on my last machine it did it when I tried to upgrade to Feisty08:03
ceckohi all, is there an official way of installing the proprietary nvidia driver in Gutsy? isn't it the nvidia-glx-new package?08:04
SeveredCrosscecko: It should be nvidia-glx-something, depending on your card.08:04
qazibasiti want to know if there are any preexisting profiles made by the vendor having common passwords?08:04
qazibasitlike admin or other which i need to change08:04
ceckoSeveredCross, so I dont have to download it from nvidia's page08:04
SeveredCrosscecko: You shouldn't, no.08:05
SeveredCrossqazibasit: Users?08:05
SeveredCrossCanonical doesn't provide any user accounts with Ubuntu.08:05
ceckoSeveredCross, thx08:05
SeveredCrossThe root account doesn't even exist--it's disable, you have to use sudo for everything, though you can get a root console via sudo -s or sudo -i08:05
SeveredCrossYou're welcome cecko.08:05
qazibasitand one more question like if i want to give ppl accounts on my computer so is it possible08:06
SeveredCrossYes...System --> Administration --> Users and Groups08:06
qazibasiti got it now SeveredCross08:06
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qazibasitand what are vulnerabilities do i need any for my PC08:07
SeveredCrossSecurity stuff?08:07
SeveredCrossNot many known.08:07
SeveredCrossThere are no servers that are enabled that listen to the outside world by default.08:08
qazibasitthanks bro08:08
penguin42hmm that looks small - 9min for a distupgrade08:08
qazibasiti am thankful to all of u who helped me here08:08
penguin42no problem08:09
qazibasitnow its time for me to go and do some experiments with my newly installed OS08:09
qazibasitsee u all when i will feel like i am lost08:09
qazibasittill then take care08:09
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Infectohi folks :)08:13
Infectocan some one tell me what can be wrong08:13
penguin42sure if you tell us the symptom08:13
Infectoi upgrade to latest kernel and my sound is dead08:13
Infectoi try to alsamixer08:13
finalbeta_Infecto: me 2.08:13
Infectoand it has all chanels unmuted08:13
Infectobut dont work08:13
finalbeta_just gstreamer?08:13
finalbeta_or other frameworks to?08:14
Infectonothong works08:14
finalbeta_ah, just gstreamer for me.08:14
Infectofor me all. its wery wear.08:14
SeveredCrossIs it an IBM laptop?08:14
Infectono no08:15
SeveredCrossBecause I think the kernel broke sound on IBM laptops.08:15
Infectobut its hda intel08:15
SeveredCrossYou may have a similar chipset.08:15
Infecto? Card: HDA Intel                                                                                                                                                        ?08:15
SeveredCrossHmm, I have an HDA Intel card and mine's fine.08:15
Infecto? Chip: Realtek ID 86108:15
SeveredCrossMine's a SigmaTel chip..I also recall hearing something about Realtek breakage.08:16
SeveredCrossCheck Launchpad...08:16
spazhmm...the logs don't appear to be saved..08:16
SeveredCrossspaz: Do you have two PC's?08:16
SeveredCrossOne that you could IRC from and the other to boot
penguin42you might like to try: kill $(lsof -t /dev/dsp* /dev/audio* /dev/mixer* /dev/snd/*) ; sudo modprobe -r $(lsmod |grep ^snd |awk '{print $1}') && sudo modprobe snd-hda-codec && sudo modprobe snd-hda-intel model=auto08:18
penguin42that fixed a sound screwup on feisty that sometimes breaks on Intel chips in case it's the same one back again08:18
penguin42just reloads the modules08:19
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c00i90wnWhy there aren't linux-* packages on gutsy? Like linux-686 for example08:23
Infectopenguin42: no, dont help :(08:23
penguin42Infecto: Hohum08:23
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SeveredCrossc00i90wn: I think the generic image is good enough and specific images aren't built, but I'm not sure.08:24
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Infecto82801G thats my hipset08:28
Infectosound card08:28
ubotuLaunchpad bug 134734 in ubuntu "Sound not working after upgrading to gutsy (Intel 82801G HDA)" [Undecided,New] 08:28
Ax-Axi wanted to upgrade 1 thing to gutsy, but i wrote upgrade instead of update after i put in the gutsy dep08:28
c00i90wnSeveredCross: I see, weird though, optimized builds should be faster :S08:29
Ax-Axis it possible to downgrade them to fiesty again?08:29
Ax-Axit was deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ gutsy main restricted08:29
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Ax-Axalmost every of my program are fiesty08:30
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tattersthis new gui for X where is located?08:34
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sal002From what I understand - do not run this on VirtualBox?08:38
Ax-Axi didn't want to ugrade to gutsy :(08:39
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Ax-Axi added "deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ gutsy main restricted" to upgrade one program, but then, of course, i wrote upgrade instead of update :(08:43
Ax-Axnow i wonder; is there a way to downgrade everything again?08:44
Arwenwell, you can pin the older packages at 1001, but that could cause breakage08:44
Ax-Axi tryied that08:45
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Ax-Axdidn't happn anything08:46
nemikwhat are some good command-line ssh mp3 players?08:46
nemikwhat are some good command-line ssh mp3 players?08:47
Arwenuh... what?08:47
hyljempg321 / 12308:47
nemiksorry posted twice08:47
Arwenhylje, but he said a "ssh mp3 player" o.O08:48
nemikwell i'm using moc now but it has a strange problem of all sound coming out as very fuzzy08:48
hyljeim not aware of players streaming stuff through ssh08:48
nemikyea sorry don't know how to describe it, i guess just a cli mp3 player. no idea why i said ssh actually08:48
nemikexcept maybe that i ssh into my music machine to play things :/08:48
Arwenmpg123/mpg321 are the standard mp3 players. You could use mplayer too.08:49
nemikyea but for those you usually have to put in songs kind of one by one. this one is great: http://moc.daper.net/screenshots but has a bug that all sound comes out as fuzzy08:50
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rungeI have bin using Gutsy for a week now. and if I may say so: great work!08:58
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tehkHello does anyone know why I cannot select what driver I am using with displayconfig-gtk? Also I cannot seem to save to a profile.09:11
SeveredCrosspenguin42: You've noticed that too?09:12
SeveredCrossIt suggests the stupidest things sometimes.09:12
wailerwhy did the official bittorrent die half way through my download09:12
PriceChildwailer, the great thing with bittorrent is that you can resume if your client fails.09:14
nosrednaekimso can wget...09:14
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finalbeta_if the server supports it.09:15
ompaulbittorrent makes it happen that way, you got X good chunks, please get more and seed some09:16
penguin42SeveredCross: I think I feel more comfortable fighting it with dpkg09:17
penguin42If I accept a suggestion in aptitude about keeping something at the current versions, if I just dist-upgrade again will it give me a chance to push it forward again?09:19
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arpuhi all09:32
arpuafter todays update i have no sound :-(09:33
arpuanybody an idea ?09:33
arpui use a macbook with ubuntu gutsy09:33
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penguin42arpu: Other people have said the same09:34
arpupenguin42, ok thx :-(09:35
arpucan i do something ?09:35
arpui think it is a problem with the new kernel ?09:35
arpu00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801G (ICH7 Family) High Definition Audio Controller (rev 02)09:35
arpusound card ^09:35
penguin42yeh that's what the guys said about an hour ago09:38
wailerPriceChild: after 1 hr & no luck I went back to direct downloading the os09:38
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wailerPriceChild: CLIENT FAILS - SERVER FAILED09:39
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wailerbloody servers - always playing up09:40
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rohangutsy won't have the updated version of eclipse IDE ?09:44
rohanbecause eclipse 3.3 is a major upgrade over 3.209:44
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JDahlI just installed gutsy on a new notebook,  and I thought I'd see compiz-fusion in action. It seems to work fine, but the only effects I see are wobling windows - how do you activate some of the other effects?10:11
JDahlbtw,  I didnt install extra packages - I just activated compiz from Preferences->Appearance->Desktop effects10:13
twilightJDahl: you can install compizconfig-settings-manager and activate other effects from System->Preferences->CompizConfig Settings Manager10:13
JDahltwilight, does that work transparently, or do I have to change other configurations also?10:14
JDahltwilight, i.e., I don't want to completely mess up my otherwise successful Gutsy installation10:15
twilightJDahl: there aren't problems with that GUI (famous last words ... :) )10:16
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Solarion"*stretch* I wonder what the Ubuntu repositories are up to?10:22
SolarionOh, functioning perfectly and not treating users like thieves."10:22
JDahlwhat is the "super" key in compiz?10:23
crdlbJDahl, windows key10:23
SolarionJDahl: often, the Windows key10:23
Solarionit can be remapped if you prefer10:23
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pwnguinSolarion: come here just to make trouble? ;)10:28
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penguin42right lets see if I can reboot10:35
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antmangakahello :)10:38
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TheInfinityhmm. what would you recomment - vmware fusion or parallels? do you know a test comparing these both?10:39
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antmangakaif I try to open a folder, it closes goes back to desktop folder, is there a fix for that?10:40
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penguin42well, sound seems to work here10:41
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JDahlI like the desktop cube,  but it's very slow at "settling"...10:46
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Solarionpwnguin: eh?  I don't follow10:52
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penguin42Has anyone had nspluginwrapper running?10:59
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newpersi use feisty and want to get the most recent release of erlang and yaws.  what's the best way of going about doing so?11:00
penguin42are they in feisty-backports?11:01
newpersi just tried to update my sources to gusty and then apt-get install erlang-base-hipe, but there was a problem retrieving the package11:01
newperspenguin42: i'm new to ubuntu.  so i'll check it out11:01
pwnguinSolarion: i said that before i read the link, whoops11:01
penguin42newpers: If it isn't in the backports you can file a bug against feisty-backports and they seem to often try a build within a couple of days11:02
newperspenguin42: from what I observed, ubuntu has no interest in developing for feisty anymore11:03
penguin42newpers: Yeh; but that's what the backports are for11:03
newpersfor example, they've abandoned ubuntu-xen-desktop-amd6411:04
newperspenguin42: ok, i'll check it out11:04
penguin42newpers: It's builds of gutsy packages for feisty; as far as I can tell almost automatic11:04
davmor2Before I post this as a bug.  Should the printer applet disappear when the print job has finished?11:05
penguin42davmor2: It wouldn't surprise me if it was certainly optional for it just to show you that there was a job in progress11:05
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rigashi everyone11:11
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rigasI just tried to boot gutsy gibbon tribe 5 from the livecd, but is just about to give me a desktop, it says "could not start X your GDM might not be setup correctly" something like that...can someone help me out on that?please11:13
TheInfinitywatch xorg log ;)11:14
penguin42rigas: Two questions; did you have feisty working ok, and secondly what type of graphics card have you got?11:15
penguin42OK; trick with nsplugi11:15
penguin42OK; trick with nspluginwrapper and gutsy; if you had it previously installed (it didn't used to be packaged and I alien'd it) tell it to remove the old plugins with -r and read them - seems to have fixed it here11:16
rigaspenguin42 I had feisty installed, even though it wasnt doing everything I wanted, like effects and wifi, but for example, right now I'm in a livecd of gutsy gibbon Tribe 4.and it works fine, apart from not being able to have any desktop effects, I even have wireless working...my graphics card its ATI Radeon Xpress.right now the only linux distro that I have installed is Sabayon 3.4e, and I also got Vista, but that shouldnt stop11:19
rigas the livecd from giving me a working desktop, because right now I'm in another livecd, only difference is that its a previous release.11:19
rigasTheInfinity that's what I got from the log11:20
TheInfinityoh okay ;)11:22
DanaGsndrv_pcm_hw_params: Assertion `err >= 0' failed.11:23
rigaspenguin42 how I'm I gonna trick it if I have no ubuntu os installed? :s11:24
penguin42rigas: OK, so it sounds specifically like a tribe 5 problem doesn't it - given that 4 worked OK for you; and it's not the problem I'd seen noted somewhere about Intel cards some people had with 5 - sounds like you should report the bug together with lspci etc from tribe 411:26
rigaspenguin42 well, I used the same tribe 5 livecd in my other laptop, and it worked like a charm...that's what I dont understand :s11:27
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penguin42rigas: That's OK, it just means tribe5 doesn't like that laptop11:27
penguin42rigas: Bug report it with details of the hardware of the machine it doesn't work on - that's what the tribes are for!11:27
rigaspenguin42 ...lol...oki doki...I'll give up on him then...will wait for tribe 611:28
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penguin42ok, how do I extract a package I added to a bug incorrectly - I accidentally added a baltix linux-source-2.6.22   to a bug (93230)11:39
penguin42I seem to have removed the package but not the tag that it affects baltix (it might do but I haven't come accross baltix before)11:40
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wailerwhy is there no panel applet to open the dvd tray? - be one up on windows12:01
wailer#!/bin/sh | eject12:02
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wailer#!/bin/sh | eject -t to close12:03
wailerclick icon - bend down & the tray is open..12:03
penguin42wailer: Can't you right click on the DVD icon on the desktop to eject it?12:04
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wailerpenguin42: yep - right click then select eject12:06
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davmor2Does anyone know why libburn4 got removed?12:08
penguin42davmor2: Still showing up for me in apt-cache search12:09
BFrankhas anyone else had tribe 5 crash on partitioning installing files?12:09
wailerpenguin42: for six months I've had an icon on my launchbar to open & shut the tray & have found them convenient - ubuntu home page talks about the user friendliness of the OS - thought it would be an asset?12:09
penguin42wailer: That's a fair comment12:10
davmor2penguin42: I had it install in tribe 4 when I installed brasero now it isn't12:10
BFrankI don't understand why there isn't a symlink for cdrecord to wodim in gutsy12:11
wailerpenquin42: in panel it would be an option not forced on a person12:11
penguin42wailer: If there isn't an applet somewhere to do it then I'd try filing a bug against something (not sure what!)12:12
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penguin42lots of things tend to fight over removable media; e.g. before I did this upgrade I went to burn a DVDrw backup of my system; I started k3b to do that and when I hit burn something else got in and ejected the blank; not sure what - and things asked me what I wanted to do with the blank, and rythymbox probably had a sniff at it to see if it was playable12:14
wailerpenquin42: made my own so I'm happy - not sure if others or developers think it is appropriate12:14
penguin42wailer: Have you made it into a debian package?12:15
wailerpenquin42: it is a two line script to open & 2 lines to close12:16
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wailerpenquin42: #!/bin/sh | eject - to open - #!/bin/sh | eject - t    - to close - then make executable12:17
penguin42be back in 5mins12:18
wailerpenquin42: different file for each - to clarify12:18
DanaGWhy use scripts at all?  Just call eject directly.12:19
waileronly from terminal12:22
waileras I said - use them from my launchbar12:23
DanaGCustom Application Launcher12:23
penguin42wailer: It might be worth looking at whether the kde guys have what you want - I'm not sure; but it seems a reasonable thing to make easy for people; others might claim the fact that you already have the device icons on the desktop is enough12:24
wailerpenquin42: if what was there was enough I wouldn't have learn'/12:25
wailerI wouldn't have learnt to make these things12:26
wailerpenquin42: I am a gnome user12:26
penguin42I'm curious that you have a close button - I don't think I've ever seen anyone have one of those12:26
wailerpenquin42: it was there to use...12:27
wailerpenquin42: i read about it in an article about backdoors12:28
waileram I now too spoilt for choice??12:29
wailerpenquin42: my setup makes it hard to get to the dvd button when the tray is open - so for me it is a GOOD thing12:31
penguin42ah ok12:31
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DanaGActually, try this: eject -T12:32
wailerDanaG: traytoggle?12:34
SeveredCrossToggles the tray's state.12:34
SeveredCrossIf it's open, it closes it, if it's closed, it opens it.12:34
wailerlearn something new every day!12:35
wailerdidn't mean to distract everybody - apologies12:36
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wailerhow to use traytoggles in a script? - it's new to me12:38
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wailerSeveredCross: just ran a script with traytoggle and had no luck - help on this12:48
SeveredCrosswailer: eject -T12:49
SeveredCrossIs tray toggle.12:49
dankhafter installing Tribe 5 , the speakers on my laptop doesn't work anymore. Headphones work, but no speakers. So my question is , this is related to which package so I can submit bug on launchpad ?12:50
wailerbeen running eject -t for months - tray (space) toggle ??12:50
pwnguindankh: i think it's alsa12:50
pwnguinevery time i mention headphone detection i get asked to try the latest alsa drivers12:51
pwnguinwhich means building an out of tree kernel, and alsa12:51
SeveredCrosswailer: Uh...12:52
SeveredCrossOnce more, for good measure:12:52
SeveredCrossEJECT -T12:52
SeveredCross(eject shouldn't be in caps, I was just emphasizing)12:52
SeveredCrossThe command to toggle the state of your tray is "eject -T"12:52
SeveredCrossDanaG said that half an hour ago.12:52
dankhI'll check alsa to see if there is a similar bug, but it's not only about speakers also the volume levels aren't accurate , no more volume hotkeys on the laptop, and no mic detected ???12:53
SeveredCrossI think it's a problem with realtek chipsets.12:53
SeveredCrossBecause (Tribe 5 kernel) works fine for me on my hda intel.12:53
SeveredCrossBut I have a SigmaTel chipset.12:53
dankhThis happend after the Tribe 5 release, my laptop is  HP nc6400 , the kernel driver for the audio device is "HDA Intel"12:55
wailerSeveredCross: I've just been trying to make a script with traytoggle - tray toggle - & had no luck - hehe - for months I have used eject -t - small T12:57
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pwnguinSeveredCross: ive ot hda intel and the latest update has rather screwed with my sound12:57
SeveredCrosswailer: Traytoggle isn't a bloody command!12:57
SeveredCrossIt's a term.12:57
SeveredCrossTo use the traytoggle capability, issue the command "eject -T"12:57
SeveredCrossHow many times do you have to be told?12:57
SeveredCrosspwnguin: Can you find out your chipset?12:58
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wailerI know that now after several scripts12:58
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pwnguinSeveredCross: if you tell me how12:59
wailerI had both open & close tray for months!!12:59
SeveredCrosswailer: Then what's the issue now?12:59
pwnguinSeveredCross: ichm712:59
pwnguin00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801G (ICH7 Family) High Definition Audio Controller (rev 02)01:00
waileryou kept saying tray toggle or eject -T01:00
pwnguinthis might be something ive caused myself01:00
dankhyeah , hmm ... I HAVE exacly the same 82801G (ICH7 Family)01:00
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SeveredCrossMine is ICH7 too I think.01:00
SeveredCrosswailer: What's your issue..If you've had eject and close for months, why are you here and why were you talking about it before?01:00
dankhbut no speakers no sound no microphone , no correct volume levels , etc...01:00
SeveredCrossAudio device: Intel Corporation 82801G (ICH7 Family) High Definition Audio Controller (rev 01)01:01
pwnguinwhat's the alsa file?01:01
SeveredCrossMine's rev 0101:01
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pwnguinalsaconf, i think..01:01
wailersee above01:01
dankhalsactl version 1.0.1401:01
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SeveredCrossGuys with alsa issues: Open a terminal, type alsamixer01:01
SeveredCrossWhat's your Chip set?01:02
wailerI thought it might be a good addition to panel01:02
SeveredCross(You can read it in the top left corner)01:02
wailerthat is all01:02
wailerthat is all01:02
pwnguin262 even01:02
dankh HDA Intel01:02
SeveredCrossdankh: Wrong area.01:02
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SeveredCrossYou just read me Card not CHip01:02
pwnguindankh: thats the card. see "chip" below it?01:02
dankhAnalog Devices ID 198101:02
SeveredCrosspwnguin: That's why you're having issues.01:02
SeveredCrossRealtek is broken I believe.01:02
DanaGWhat is backingstore, and why does Xorg show it being disabled?01:02
SeveredCrossI don't know what Analog Devices is.01:03
pwnguinSeveredCross: its not broken, just weird. but i remmeber messing with some alsa config file that controlled some things01:04
ArwenDanaG, heh, I've got one of those01:06
ArwenSeveredCross, Analog Devices makes cheap integrated sound chips :-P01:06
bluefoxicythere was an ad for Ubuntu Live in the April 2007 issue of Hakin901:08
bluefoxicydoes everyone stick stuf in that mag01:08
dankhthere are many similar bug reports in launchpad with HDA Intel (Analog Devices) , I thnik since 2.6.22 something get wrong01:09
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Amaranthmake sure you have linux-ubuntu-modules installed01:11
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