[01:40] <bryce> keescook: there's only one issue left before I will be comfortable turning bulletproof-x mode on.  There is a bug in gdm where it doesn't recognize after it starts FailsafeXServer, that it's in a failsafe mode, and it keeps attempting to restart X every minute
[01:41] <bryce> keescook: I created a trivial demo of the bug and sent it to the gdm devel list, so am hoping to get a solution to that within a few days.  Guess we'll see.
[01:41] <keescook> bryce: ah, does that need to be taught to gdm or upstart?
[01:41] <bryce> gdm
[01:41] <keescook> cool
[01:42] <bryce> I dug through the gdm source code and followed how it handles the FailsafeXServer option.  I don't grok all the forks and display detection logic goo, but it feels like it's missing a couple checks for d->failsafe_server...  I'm just not certain where those checks fit
[01:42] <bryce> I get the impression this is a gdm option that hasn't been much used
[01:44] <bryce> wow - displayconfig-gtk made first-mentioned-feature in this piece:  http://news.com.com/Ubuntu+prepares+Gutsy+Gibbon/2100-7344_3-6204359.html
[01:46] <keescook> bryce: xorg uploaded.  :)
[01:47] <bryce> awesome, thanks
[01:57] <keescook> no problemo
[03:50] <bryce> new bulletproof-x photos:  http://people.ubuntu.com/~bryce/BulletProofX/
[03:55] <ion_> Nice!
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[04:21] <tepsipakki> mjg59: hah!
[04:21] <tepsipakki> sorry
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[04:24] <tepsipakki> bryce: really? so maybe just upload the server then?
[04:29] <tepsipakki> bryce: uploaded
[04:33] <tepsipakki> ..and accepted
[04:33] <tepsipakki> ->
[04:47] <Mulder> what's the rationale behind not creating /dev/parport0 by default in feisty and possibly gusty and above?
[04:48] <ion_> mulder: Do you have a parallel port? :-)
[04:48] <Mulder> ion_, yes.
[04:49] <LaserJock> ion_: what kind of question is that? ;-)
[04:49] <LaserJock> lots of people have parallel ports
[04:49] <Mulder> i cant think of many machines that dont
[04:49] <ion_> laserjock: There are PCs with no parallel ports.
[04:49] <LaserJock> ion_: sure some don't
[04:49] <LaserJock> ah, I misunderstood your question
[04:50] <ion_> mulder: Anything interesting about parport in the dmesg output?
[04:50] <LaserJock> I was thinking you were saying that parallel ports where obsolete and nobody uses them
[04:50] <Mulder> nothing interesting, just the usual detected parport thing
[04:50] <Mulder> i mean it's not a big deal, i can just mknod a parport0 character device file myself
[04:51] <ion_> mulder: Ok, so the parport module is loaded automatically on startup, right?
[04:51] <Mulder> but it just seems odd to me it doesnt get created by default
[04:51] <Mulder> yes
[04:51] <Mulder> the system will even create lp0
[04:51] <Mulder> heh
[04:52] <Mulder> i figured it was a design feature?
[04:53] <Mulder> maybe part of some /dev simplification projcet i dont know about heh
[04:54] <ion_> mulder: dmesg | grep parport_pc
[04:54] <ion_> mulder: For instance, here it prints [   34.380000]  parport_pc 00:0a: reported by Plug and Play ACPI
[04:55] <Mulder> brb
[04:58] <Mulder> no output from the parport_pc module even though it's loaded. there is only output from parport module
[05:00] <ion_> mulder: Ok, perhaps theres some kind of an ACPI/PNP problem. Is the port enabled in the BIOS settings?
[05:01] <Mulder> should be
[05:01] <Mulder> parallel port is picked up in windows
[05:06] <Mulder> by the tone of the discussion it sounds like it shouldnt be doing this heh
[05:11] <Mulder> that's good to know at least, heh. thanks
[05:11] <ion_> mulder: You probably should report a bug. Mention that parport_pc is loaded automatically but it doesnt recognize the port and that the port works in Windows, and attach the output of sudo lshw and dmesg.
[05:11] <Mulder> ah
[05:11] <Mulder> I have no idea how to file a bug report
[05:12] <Mulder> launchpad i'm guessing?
[05:14] <Mulder> there we go, bug report section in launchpad
[05:15] <ion_> mulder: ubuntu-bug -p linux-image-$(uname -r) should open the correct webpage.
[05:29] <Mulder> excellent thanks
[06:22] <manchicken> Anybody know if there are stable apt bindings for Ruby or Python?
[06:23] <manchicken> The python-apt package seems to be marked unstable on sourceforge.
[06:25] <manchicken> Although I guess it is in the main repo...
[06:25] <RAOF> And gnome-app-install uses them.
[06:26] <manchicken> Gotcha.
[08:39] <sbalneav> Hello.  Trying to squash Bug #134572.  How do I tell pbuilder to build the binaries so they have the debugging info in, so I can gdb the results?
[08:39] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 134572 in nbd "Segfault" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/134572
[11:35] <stgraber> I have just done a Wiki to Ical converter for GutsyReleaseSchedule, for those of you who'd like to test, it's at : http://www.stgraber.org/download/ubuntu/release-ical/ubuntuical.php
[11:39] <RAOF> Hm.  You know what would be cool?  A google calendar.
[11:39] <highvoltage> ew.
[11:39] <coNP> You can use this in Google. IIRC
[11:39] <RAOF> Yeah, I know.
[11:40] <RAOF> It can be imported, at least.
[11:46] <realist> I have the ubuntu iCal imported/synced to google calendar, works a treat
[11:46] <realist> (Especially since you can sync that with thunderbird/lightning)
[11:47] <RAOF> realist: Can you sync (as in watch for changes?)
[11:47] <RAOF> On the other hand, the number of changes are going to be minimal :)
[11:49] <realist> RAOF: google watches for changes on via iCal I believe
[11:50] <RAOF> Cool
[12:45] <Utnubu> hi all
[12:46] <Utnubu> Can anyone tell me why powernowd is still used when there are great kernel scaling governors?
[12:50] <Utnubu> I am experimenting with powertop and powernowd seems to be one of the big tick consumers
[12:51] <Utnubu> and ondemand works fine without powernowd
[12:52] <RAOF> Utnubu: Wow, you must have a highly-tuned system.  On my x86-64 laptop powernowd is responsible for <1% of all wakeups
[12:53] <Utnubu> Not highly tuned but powernowd was one of the first places
[12:53] <RAOF> I suppose my lack of tickless may influence this.
[12:53] <Utnubu> It seems fine now except that hpet isn't activated
[12:54] <Utnubu> RAOF: Afaik powertop makes not much sense without tickless.
[12:55] <RAOF> You can still get useful data.  It's just that you've lost one of the big optimisations.
[12:58] <Utnubu> It really seems to help with energy saving but on my Sony laptop one thing is missing without recompiling the kernel. https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-ubuntu-modules-2.6.22/+bug/117327
[12:58] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 117327 in linux-ubuntu-modules-2.6.22 "Sony TX series and possible many other Sony laptops couldn't use the lowest brightness setting" [Undecided,New] 
[01:06] <Hobbsee> RAOF: oh neat, powertop has suggestions now
[01:07] <elena_g> Hello, my Audio Device is: "00:06.1 Audio device: nVidia Corporation MCP55 High Definition Audio (rev a2)", and I can't get working my microphone for skype or Ekiga...
[01:08] <Hobbsee> elena_g: support is not here, please see the /topic
[01:08] <RAOF> Hobbsee: Yeah, has for *ages*.
[01:08] <Hobbsee> RAOF: i  havent run it since it first got synced.
[01:08] <Hobbsee> RAOF: are htey any good?
[01:09] <elena_g> Hobbsee, sorry then :) kiss!
[01:09] <RAOF> Not terribly for me, but that's because the biggest optimisations are out-of-bounds, I think.
[01:10] <Hobbsee> right
[01:14] <RAOF> Hobbsee: The biggest suggestion it doesn't give is "kill pulseaudio".  Pulseaudio uses somewhat more than 10% of my total power when it runs.
[01:14] <Hobbsee> RAOF: right, yeah.  you could use arts....
[01:15] <RAOF> Or just ALSA, my card actually has a mixer :)
[01:38] <norsetto> !support
[01:38] <ubotu> the official ubuntu support channel is #ubuntu. Also see http://ubuntu.com/support and http://ubuntuforums.org
[01:39] <norsetto> !jdongcrack > hobbsee
[01:39] <Hobbsee> !jdong | norsetto
[01:39] <ubotu> norsetto: jdong is Hobbsee: jdong: yes, but you're FULL OF CRACK!
[01:40] <norsetto> is the > not working?
[01:40] <norsetto> !jdong > hobbsee
[01:40] <Hobbsee> norsetto: that is too
[01:41] <norsetto> ok, so its an IM
[01:41] <norsetto> !jdong > norsetto
[01:45] <norsetto> !search * > norsetto
[01:45] <ubotu> Found: fawn, ops-#xubuntu-offtopic, usetab, music players, kde docs, prefix, grubrepair, debchroot, swat, ttys
[03:36] <dzs> how would the /etc/apt/source.list line "deb http://www.hu.freepascal.org/lazarus/ lazarus-stable universe" translate into an URL, please?
[03:38] <tseliot> dsz: ftp://ftp.hu.freepascal.org/pub/lazarus/
[03:38] <Chipzz> dzs: this is not the right channel for this kind of questions
[03:38] <Chipzz> tseliot: no
[03:39] <Chipzz> dzs: but if you want to know, run apt-get update while runnig some kind of sniffer?
[03:39] <Chipzz> urlsnarf from dsniff will be helpfull
[03:39] <StevenK> apt-get has a --print-uri or --print-uris option.
[03:40] <Chipzz> StevenK: I think that only works for packages
[03:40] <StevenK> Chipzz: "This also works with the source and update commands."
[03:41] <StevenK> From apt-get(8)
[03:41] <dzs> i dont want to know how to use apt-get. i dont use ubuntu
[03:41] <Chipzz> StevenK: oh, it does
[03:41] <dzs> and what could be the right place to ask then how dpkg internally resolves the sources.list into URLs?
[03:41] <tseliot> Chipzz: I thought the repo was browseable
[03:41] <StevenK> dzs: http://www.hu.freepascal.org/lazarus/dists/lazarus-stable/universe, I think
[03:41] <Chipzz> dzs: it's not dpkg that does it, obviously
[03:42] <StevenK> lazarus-stable/binary-<arch>/universe, actually
[03:42] <dzs> StevenK: you rock. thanks!
[03:42] <Chipzz> StevenK: you're correct
[03:42] <Chipzz> StevenK: err no :)
[03:42] <Chipzz> http://www.hu.freepascal.org/lazarus/dists/lazarus-stable/ ;)
[03:43] <StevenK> Right. :-)
[03:43] <Chipzz> http://www.hu.freepascal.org/lazarus/dists/lazarus-stable/universe/binary-i386/ :)
[03:43] <StevenK> Ahh
[03:43] <norsetto> but if he wants the package, isn't that in pools?
[03:44] <Chipzz> norsetto: the layout of a repository can vary wildly
[03:44] <StevenK> It doesn't have to be. Depends on what Packages.gz says.
[03:44] <norsetto> ok, I assume they use the Debian layout
[03:44] <norsetto> its pool actually :-)
[04:31] <frafu> Hello, Could anybody please check whether at-spi-registryd is running at gdmlogin (= plain login screen)? I would like to know whether it is a problem in ubuntu or only a problem with my setup. Thanks in advance.
[07:10] <IntuitiveNipple> Anyone know which gnome start-up script is likely to handle the Log-In sound (settings are in ~/.gnome2/sound/events/gnome-2.soundlist) but using inotifywait & lsof I can't capture the process that is accessing it
[07:25] <Q-FUNK> howdy! for bug #130620 what is the correct procedure?
[07:25] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 130620 in myspell-lv "Please sync myspell-lv (main) from Debian unstable (main)" [Undecided,Incomplete]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/130620
[08:21] <evand> If anyone that can sponsor an upload to main has a free momeent and would like to do me a favor, the mythbuntu team would like to see ubiquity 1.5.12 uploaded by the end of the weekend so they don't have to use a PPA:
[08:21] <evand> http://people.ubuntu.com/~evand/upload/ubiquity_1.5.12_source.changes
[08:46] <plopix> I am trying to backport python-qt4 from gutsy to feisty using pbuilder. python-qt4 has an unmet dependency to libqt4. Is it possible to include a successfully backported libqt4 package in a pbuilder run to satify the dependcy for python-qt4?
[08:56] <nixternal> plopix: what is the unmet dependency version? does it have something like (>= 4.3)?
[08:56] <nixternal> libqt4 in feisty is 4.2.1 I believe
[08:58] <plopix> nixternal: yes.
[08:58] <nixternal> change the >= 4.3 to 4.2 and it should fix your problems...err, actually no it probably won't
[08:58] <plopix> and it tells me that it has unsatified depdencies
[08:59] <nixternal> I think the python-qt4 is also 4.3 in gutsy, so you would have to backport all of the libqt4 packages as well
[08:59] <plopix> thats what I wrote, I think ;)
[09:01] <nixternal> ya you did :)
[09:01] <nixternal> maybe if I learned how to read :)
[09:01] <plopix> what I do not know is, how to tell pbuilder to use some local packages
[09:01] <beuno> plopix: maybe just install the backported library and save the pbuilder enviroment?
[09:02] <beuno> open it up with --save-after-login
[09:02] <nixternal> plopix: pbuilder allows you to use an alternate repo (ie. locally) and build hooks
[09:16] <plopix> the pbuilder howto says, that can use --othermirror "deb file:///bla/bla feisty" for that purpose
[11:13] <moyogo> ArneGoetje: ping
[11:15] <davmor2> Don't want to report this as a Bug if it is meant to happen, but the printer applet stays in the task bar after the print job has finished.  Is this normal behaviour or should I bug report it?
[11:16] <dobey> it's probably normal behavior, but not desirable behavior
[11:16] <davmor2> dobey: Bug it is then.
[12:07] <supervillain> Hi, does any of the gutsy applications where compiled with xcb?
[12:27] <davmor2> Is there any technical reason why 'libburn' is no longer install with brasero?
[12:29] <pygi> davmor2, libisofs was dropped as well