[12:33] do you know why it got removed? === Acksys [n=acksys@74.255.74.109] has joined #ubuntu-motu === luisbg [n=luisbg@193.145.150.119] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:34] geser: no, but I assume it didn't compile with the new libgig and just got removed === asantoni [n=alb@216.221.76.221] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:34] I don't think we removed packages for FTBFS in dapper [12:35] beuno: add pkg-config to build-depends as it uses it to find gig === Acksys [n=acksys@74.255.74.109] has left #ubuntu-motu [] [12:36] beuno: the reason why it got removed: bug #84451 [12:36] geser: added, still complains [12:36] Launchpad bug 84451 in linuxsampler "Linuxsampler is unfree, and this is reported incorrectly" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/84451 [12:37] geser: right, so it belongs in multiverse [12:38] or not? it's GPL + non-commercial [12:39] (still interested in packaging it though :D) [12:40] any ideas on how to crush this libgig thing? [12:40] I think it should work in Multiverse [12:40] :D [12:40] beuno: checking for GIG... yes [12:40] yes, found libgig 3.1.0 [12:40] if it compiles [12:40] I'm not sure why it wasn't moved instead of removed [12:41] geser: what have you done that I haven't? [12:41] just run configure in my gutsy dev chroot with pkg-config and libgig-dev installed [12:41] geser: ok, well, I'm packaging wrong then [12:41] I'm using the following: http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/packagingguide/C/basic-scratch.html [12:41] beuno: the configure script runs: pkg-config --exists --print-errors "gig >= 3.1.0" [12:42] which requires I execute "dpkg-buildpackage -S -rfakeroot" before entering the pbuilder env [12:42] beuno: I've only checked if configure finds gig [12:43] geser: right, but you get passed where I get an error, so I assume I should be packaging differently [12:43] it's odd because I've packaged for Debian this way (on Feisty) without that problems [12:44] coNP: feel free to get in touch about any problems (email in gruler's About dialog). thanks for being willing to package it! cya [12:44] LaserJock: am I still in time to get it into gutsy or is Universe frozen already? === ianm_ [n=yella@168.226.102.65] has left #ubuntu-motu [] [12:44] hmm [12:44] there's always exceptions [12:45] but I'm not sure if this would be considered an UVF or a NPF [12:45] beuno: we're in UVF for existing packages and new package freeze is August 30th [12:45] ok, it's not really important I guess, I should get this running correctly first [12:45] any ideas on what I'm doing wrong? [12:45] coNP: congrats, btw :) [12:45] beuno: can you check in your building environment if the pkg-config call gives any errors? [12:46] thanks LaserJock :) [12:47] geser: checking for pkg-config... /usr/bin/pkg-config [12:47] checking pkg-config is at least version 0.9.0... yes [12:48] beuno: once you get past gig: I got after that No supported MIDI input system found! [12:48] (I'm in feisty though, Fiesty doesn't have 3.1.1) [12:48] so there are still some other build-depends missing [12:48] geser: yeap, it's libasound2-dev [12:49] beuno: have you a gutsy pbuilder? [12:49] geser: yeap [12:50] but again, I'm using the guide, which doesn't use the pbuilder enviroment until the dpkg-buildpackage generates the .dsc [12:50] ah [12:51] wait a sec [12:51] are you running configure in clean? [12:51] what specifically are you running? [12:51] geser: yeap [12:51] LaserJock: I'm on Feisty, with a Gusty and a Sid pbuilder === hggdh [n=hggdh@pool-71-170-39-244.dllstx.fios.verizon.net] has left #ubuntu-motu [] [12:52] about the linuxsampler license: does the Ubuntu distribution count as a commercial software product? [12:52] beuno: no, I mean what command [12:52] geser: no [12:52] LaserJock: dpkg-buildpackage -S -rfakeroot [12:52] beuno: can you pastebin your debian/rules? [12:52] is there a good app to strip the DRM from a .wma [12:52] hmm, there's no reason for it be running ./configure in clean: [12:53] http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/34947/ [12:54] LaserJock: maybe the guide for packaging only applies when packaging for the same release you're on? [12:54] (which in Ubuntu, doesn't make much sense) [12:54] LaserJock: do you know if it's allowed to add additional clauses to the GPL? [12:55] geser: I believe the GPL + Non-commercial is very frequent [12:55] geser: hmm, that's an interesting question. I would't really call it GPL'd in that case, but I don't have a good reason why it can't be done [12:56] beuno: remove the configure call from clean and call make distclean if a Makefile exists [12:57] beuno: the Ubuntu packaging guide from any release should work pretty much for any other release [12:57] yeah, I don't think I've ever seen a package run ./configure in clean: [12:58] LaserJock: one good reason is that additional clauses make that software incompatible with other GPL programs [12:59] azeem: is that required under the GPL? [12:59] shouldn't it just be required to have the same license? [12:59] ok, I haven't played around with the rules file much yet, I downloaded an old package and am trying to get it to compile :D [01:00] Debian bug #328121 also says that this additional clause make it undistributable [01:00] Debian bug 328121 in linuxsampler "linuxsampler: Inconsistent and non DFSG free license" [Grave,Open] http://bugs.debian.org/328121 [01:01] geser: that's what got it removed from main, but it can go fine into non-free [01:01] geser: well, where "this additional clause" is DFSG violating in itsefl [01:01] itself* [01:02] http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=328121#35 [01:02] Debian bug 328121 in linuxsampler "linuxsampler: Inconsistent and non DFSG free license" [Grave,Open] === Umngane [n=log@190-82-0-219.adsl.cust.tie.cl] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:03] quote: "No, this is really an additional restriction over the GPL, thus rendering the software undistributable for everyone but the original author." [01:03] Answer to the suggestion to move it to non-free. [01:04] hmm, I'm not sure how that necessarily follows, but ok [01:04] did it perhaps changed with GPL3? [01:04] well, ok. But I don't think any additional restrictions render things undistributable [01:05] just those which violate the DFSG [01:05] but I understand that is not debian-legal's position [01:06] I would think it would work in Multiverse === mwolson [i=mwolson@host-212-116.inlacol.clients.pavlovmedia.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:06] but I'm not great with licenses [01:06] it also looks like older versions were just plain GPL === mayeco [n=mayeco@200.75.192.12] has joined #ubuntu-motu === doko_ [n=doko@dslb-088-073-105-199.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:06] you could put that version in Universe === pygi [n=mario@158-227.dsl.iskon.hr] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:08] ok, the libgig stopped complaining when removing the configure from clean [01:08] but of course, I get "make[1] : *** No rule to make target `distclean'. Stop. [01:08] it does go through anyway and create the .dsc I need [01:09] what about http://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl-faq.html#NoMilitary ? [01:10] isn't that exactly what linuxsampler tries to do? [01:10] geser: that discriminates against a specific group of people [01:10] I think that's considered differently, but i could be wrong [01:11] don't get misleaded by the anchor [01:11] the whole question is "I'd like to license my code under the GPL, but I'd also like to make it clear that it can't be used for military and/or commercial uses. Can I do this?" [01:13] no [01:13] :S === marcin_ant [n=marcin@194.114.146.126] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:18] hmmmm, the original file has a /debian directory... that's a big "no no", right? [01:18] it only makes the work for you harder [01:19] and of source also the reviewing [01:21] anyone specifically maintain netbeans? [01:23] I think that neatbeans install alone === LaserJock [n=mantha@ubuntu/member/laserjock] has joined #ubuntu-motu === javier_galicia [n=Javier@189.130.233.106] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:28] mayeco: netbeans doesn't use an installer anymore [01:28] geser: sorry for my ignorance :D [01:30] nixternal: you might ask dholbach if he knows more. There was once a discussion about a netbeans SRU between him and some sun folks on the ubuntu-motu ML. [01:31] IIRC the SRU proposed was a whole new version. === atlas95 [n=atlas@84.6.197.69] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:32] ScottK: yes, and a change from the installer to the current state [01:33] No small thing which is why I think it didn't happen. === alex-weej [n=alex@cpc2-darl3-0-0-cust237.midd.cable.ntl.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === alex-weej [n=alex@cpc2-darl3-0-0-cust237.midd.cable.ntl.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:40] we have the latest version in the repos, it is always broken for me when I install it [01:40] you have to move a conf file in etc around and then --configure -a === alex-weej [n=alex@cpc2-darl3-0-0-cust237.midd.cable.ntl.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === alex-weej [n=alex@cpc2-darl3-0-0-cust237.midd.cable.ntl.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jrib [n=jrib@upstream/dev/jrib] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:44] ok, I started the whole /debian dir from scratch and got passed all the dependencies, now I ran into: dh_install: linuxsampler missing files (debian/tmp/usr/bin/*), aborting [01:45] anything obvious I should get from that that I missed? === alex-weej [n=alex@cpc2-darl3-0-0-cust237.midd.cable.ntl.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:45] is there anything in debian/tmp? [01:46] Toadstool: go Jrmie go! === JanC [n=janc@lugwv/member/JanC] has joined #ubuntu-motu === alex-weej [n=alex@cpc2-darl3-0-0-cust237.midd.cable.ntl.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:47] LaserJock: hehe [01:47] azeem: pbuilder env already cleaned up :/ [01:47] :) === guest22 [n=brendt@c-76-26-103-132.hsd1.nm.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === alex-weej [n=alex@cpc2-darl3-0-0-cust237.midd.cable.ntl.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === radamantis [n=radamant@189.136.159.220] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jrib [n=jrib@upstream/dev/jrib] has joined #ubuntu-motu === DarkMageZ [n=richard@ppp121-44-115-94.lns10.syd6.internode.on.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === khermans [i=khermans@nat/cisco/x-917e478a792d21e9] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Yann_Dinendal [n=Yann@dyn-91-163-245-48.ppp.tiscali.fr] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:28] Yeah Toadstool~ [02:28] ! === mruiz [n=mruiz@ubuntu/member/mruiz] has joined #ubuntu-motu === mruiz [n=mruiz@ubuntu/member/mruiz] has left #ubuntu-motu ["Bye!"] === leonel [n=leonel@189.155.114.251] has joined #ubuntu-motu === RobinD_ [n=robind@69-30-77-125.dq1sn.easystreet.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === beuno [n=beuno@201-213-91-212.net.prima.net.ar] has joined #ubuntu-motu === lukaswayne9 [n=lukas@c-68-84-69-12.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === stratus [n=stratus@201.53.160.117] has joined #ubuntu-motu === stratus_ [n=stratus@201.53.160.117] has joined #ubuntu-motu === stratus__ [n=stratus@201.53.160.117] has joined #ubuntu-motu === stratus [n=stratus@201.53.160.117] has joined #ubuntu-motu === stratus [n=stratus@201.53.160.117] has joined #ubuntu-motu === stratus [n=stratus@201.53.160.117] has joined #ubuntu-motu === kduboi1 [n=kevin@adsl-76-232-157-254.dsl.sfldmi.sbcglobal.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:31] Does anyone have experience migrating a package from debmake to automake? [03:31] is this the place to talk about gutsy packages? (and issues with them) [03:32] can't say that I do [03:32] kduboi1: issues should be reported on Launchpad (filed as a bug) [03:33] If you need assistance, #ubuntu+1 is the place [03:35] hiya ScottK [03:36] Hiya [03:36] You gonna do some reviewing? [03:36] doing that now :) [03:36] qdevelop right now [03:37] Cool. [03:37] how many have we got left? [03:37] about 4,000 [03:37] :) [03:38] 28 of them [03:38] This is cool. I just opened the CREDITS file for something that I've been planning on packaging and discovered that I'm mentioned. I hadn't expected that. [03:38] anyone privy to the difference between libwnck18 and libwnck22? i'm having problems with the two as dependancies [03:41] versioning question...for a new package, is it recommended to use x.xx-x or xx.xx-xubuntux ? [03:43] 0ubuntu1 [03:43] Assuming it's not a native package. [03:43] OK, that is what I thought, just wanted to be 100% sure === Pici [n=Pici@ool-4355be00.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:57] kduboi1: libwnck22 is a more recent version of the libwnck18 library, they are not binary compatible. Having a different name allows to keep both libraries and to run programs still linked to the older one, while newly built packages will use the new one [03:57] it is better explained in the Debian library packaging guide [03:58] ah, alright, so both can exist peacefully on the system together? [03:58] yep [03:58] nice, thanks [03:58] you're welcome :) [04:04] installing python-psycopg2 in gutsy installs python 2.4 even when python 2.5 is installed on feisty does not [04:04] file a bug ? [04:04] or is it normal ? === ScottK looks [04:05] both depends on python >= 2.3.5-7 [04:07] leonel: BTW (while I look) I've been using python-pygreql recently. [04:08] I used that but found psycopg2 that works with threads in mod-python keeping a connection pool open [04:08] really nice . [04:08] back in 15 mins === Knightlust [n=dax@ubuntu/member/knightlust] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:15] leonel: It's a bug. === Seveas [n=seveas@ubuntu/member/seveas] has joined #ubuntu-motu === raphink [i=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #ubuntu-motu === elmargol [n=elmargol@host3-61-dynamic.48-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:24] ./update [04:24] err [04:26] imbrandon! [04:28] back [04:29] heya TheMuso [04:29] ScottK: can be fixed in gutsy or wait for a merge ? === minghua [n=minghua@ubuntu/member/minghua] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:49] StevenK: I'm around now, if that's any good :) === mgalvin [n=mgalvin@ubuntu/member/mgalvin] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:59] bryce: Ping, re xgl. If you find the bzr branch difficult to review, I can re-do it more traditionally. It doesn't seem like anyone's particularly interested in collab maint :/ === mayeco [n=mayeco@200.75.192.12] has left #ubuntu-motu [] === mwolson [i=mwolson@host-212-116.inlacol.clients.pavlovmedia.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jsgotangco [n=JSG@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-motu === kduboi1 [n=kevin@adsl-76-232-157-254.dsl.sfldmi.sbcglobal.net] has left #ubuntu-motu [] === superm1 [n=superm1@ubuntu/member/superm1] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:27] Hey folks, who's around for some handholding? [05:29] Last time I tried packaging I did it from a .tar.bz2. Now I'm working with SVN. Should I be tarring it first, or is there some direct way? [05:32] You'll need to have a .orig.tar.gz at some point. [05:32] Right, so just tar svndir/ ? [05:33] Options include running autogen, then 'make dist' from the svn source [05:33] Or "svn export". === tonyyarusso mans svn export [05:34] Wow, could that help possibly be worded in a more obtuse manner === freeflying_ [n=freeflyi@123.116.96.206] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:36] :) [05:37] Basically "strip all the .svn directories" [05:37] Ah, that's helpful. Better than the stupid regex nonsense I had to write up before to do that. [05:37] Of course trackerd has to be indexing while I'm trying to do resource-intensive work. :S === tgm4883_laptop [n=tgm4883@c-67-160-174-176.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:41] RAOF, sorry, I ended up spending the whole day doing bulletproof-x stuff === mayeco [n=mayeco@200.75.192.12] has joined #ubuntu-motu === mayeco [n=mayeco@200.75.192.12] has left #ubuntu-motu [] [05:43] leonel: File a bug. If you have a solution, attach a patch. [05:47] bryce: That's perfectly fine. I'm just wondering whether or not I should redo the package in a better way. [05:48] RAOF: What does "svn: Working copy 'kompozer/trunk/mozilla' locked" mean? [05:48] tonyyarusso: Um... [05:49] tonyyarusso: I don't know. Maybe you have local changes? [05:49] I haven't done anything other than download. Maybe the dev is uploading currently? [05:50] Shouldn't matter, I think. [05:50] hrm, [05:51] Oh, partially done thing. Found it. === YokoZar1 [n=scott@c-76-20-46-159.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === midnightToker [n=mcd@c-67-165-219-40.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:58] hi [05:59] Does anyone know if there is a way to sync a blackberry pearl with evolution? or if there is a better channel to be asking for help? === mayeco [n=mayeco@200.75.192.12] has joined #ubuntu-motu === mayeco [n=mayeco@200.75.192.12] has joined #ubuntu-motu === midnightToker [n=mcd@c-67-165-219-40.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has left #ubuntu-motu [] [06:10] Is there a 32 bit openSSL development package for amd64? === Paddy_EIRE [n=patrick@89.240.243.205] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ceros [n=user@c-76-111-84-156.hsd1.va.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === mrigns [n=mrigns@unaffiliated/mrigns] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:20] superm1: Congrats. === mwolson [i=mwolson@host-212-116.inlacol.clients.pavlovmedia.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === mayeco [n=mayeco@200.75.192.12] has joined #ubuntu-motu === mrigns [n=mrigns@unaffiliated/mrigns] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:33] ScottK: OK I'll work on that ... [06:33] got to go === jsgotangco [n=JSG@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-motu === anibal [n=anibal@debian/developer/anibal] has joined #ubuntu-motu === tuxmaniac [n=aanjhan@unaffiliated/tuxmaniac] has joined #ubuntu-motu === No1Viking [n=micke@h-83-140-104-41.auto.rp80.se] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Knightlust [n=dax@122.2.246.215] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:57] Where is the exception describing what to do with source that includes the /debian directory? === khermans [i=khermans@nat/cisco/x-2cdd395115180ae9] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:03] Bah, never mind. He kept it out of the source tar.bz2, but it's in the SVN === neversfelde|mobi [n=neversfe@194.95.66.31] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:22] thanks TheMuso :) === tudenbart [n=willi@xdsl-213-196-253-35.netcologne.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu === pygi [n=mario@158-227.dsl.iskon.hr] has joined #ubuntu-motu === tudenbart is now known as dothebart === fraco [n=fraco@213.219.141.36.adsl.dyn.edpnet.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:44] I'm getting a whole bunch of "dpkg-source: warning: ignoring deletion of file " while doing my dpkg-buildpackage. Should I be concerned? === superm1_ [n=superm1@ubuntu/member/superm1] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Zic [n=Zic@Final-Fantasy.FF-IRC.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Paddy_EIRE [n=patrick@89.240.243.205] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:09] tonyyarusso: It just means that files existed in the .orig.tar.gz that don't exist when dpkg-buildpackage looks in the directory you're building from. [09:09] StevenK: It's okay though? (I think debian/rules removes stuff while it's working) === pygi [n=mario@158-227.dsl.iskon.hr] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:10] As in, it's not one of those things that will be cause for upload rejection? [09:10] tonyyarusso: Just check it's stuff that isn't dreadfully important. [09:10] gaaah [09:10] if [ ! -d mozilla ] ; then tar xzf ../kompozer*gz; fi [09:10] tar: This does not look like a tar archive === tonyyarusso is feeling confused [09:12] file ../kompozer*gz [09:12] kompozer_0.7.10.orig.tar.gz: gzip compressed data, was ".fr.5400.0.kompozer-0.7.10.tar", from Unix, [09:13] Wierd. Looks like a whacky build system. [09:13] :D [09:13] Well, it's Mozilla. [09:14] This stuff worked last spring - I wonder what he changed. [09:16] StevenK: It deletes the _entire_ mozilla/ directory in the process of dpkg-buildpackage [09:17] Nice. === tonyyarusso doesn't understand why, but hey === freeflyi1g [n=freeflyi@123.116.96.206] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:20] StevenK: Could it possibly be trying to process kompozer_0.7.10-0ubuntu1.diff.gz ? === tonyyarusso finds out [09:21] tonyyarusso: That will sort before, so more than likely. [09:22] tonyyarusso: Add a few vv to the tar call [09:22] StevenK: Or an @echo 'file ../kompozer*gz' to rules :P [09:22] I think you've hit the nail on the head, though. === neversfelde|mobi [n=neversfe@194.95.66.31] has joined #ubuntu-motu === superm1_ [n=superm1@ubuntu/member/superm1] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:32] cp: cannot create regular file `mozilla/.mozconfig': No such file or directory is the latest error [09:32] Probably since it just deleted itself I'd gander === Kubuntu|FrOSCon [n=neversfe@194.95.66.31] has left #ubuntu-motu ["Konversation] === toutouff [n=nicolas@gov91-1-82-234-90-217.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Q-FUNK [n=q-funk@dsl-hkibrasgw1-ff19c100-129.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:45] StevenK: what does this one mean? "dpkg-architecture: warning: no utmp entry available and LOGNAME not defined; using uid of process (1234)" [09:46] That's a pbuilder-ism [09:46] kk [09:46] "I can't find the current logged in user using utmp, so I'm using the uid the process is running under." [09:47] aka, "I'm being fussy, ignore me"? [09:47] Yes, and no. It's nice to warn about that. You could make it go away by bind mounting /var/run into the pbuilder chroot. [09:49] Bah, what's the flag for "create parent directories if they don't exist"? [09:49] -p [09:53] StevenK: How is this possible on the machine that I just created the relevant key on? gpg: Can't check signature: public key not found [09:54] It shows up in gpg --list-public-keys yarusso [09:54] Still getting hung up by the cp line :( [09:54] if [ ! -d mozilla ] ; then tar xzf ../kompozer*tar*gz; fi [09:54] #patch -p0 < debian/patches/amd64.patch [09:54] cp -p debian/mozconfig.debian mozilla/.mozconfig [09:54] cp: cannot create regular file `mozilla/.mozconfig': No such file or directory [09:56] -p is for mkdir [09:56] cp -p means preverse permissions [09:56] bah [09:57] How can the mozilla directory not exist? It's contained in the tarball that was just extracted on the previous line. === allee [n=ach@dialin-145-254-253-171.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:58] tonyyarusso: Add a v to the tar call, and it will show what it is extracted. [09:58] extracting, even [09:58] Trying now === ivoks [n=ivoks@16-160.dsl.iskon.hr] has joined #ubuntu-motu === blackskad [n=blackska@d54C4A53D.access.telenet.be] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Gasten [n=Gasten@h52n9c1o1095.bredband.skanova.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === freeflying [n=freeflyi@123.116.96.206] has joined #ubuntu-motu === thekorn [n=thekorn@a89-182-16-192.net-htp.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu === freeflyi2g [n=freeflyi@123.116.96.206] has joined #ubuntu-motu === coNP [n=conp@ubuntu/member/coNP] has joined #ubuntu-motu === MagnusR [n=magru@c83-252-237-96.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:39] Good morning [10:39] hi [10:39] hey ajmitch === hjmf [n=hjmf@7.Red-83-44-173.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === tuxmaniac [n=aanjhan@unaffiliated/tuxmaniac] has joined #ubuntu-motu === freeflying [n=freeflyi@123.116.96.206] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-motu === freeflyi1g [n=freeflyi@123.116.96.206] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Hobbsee_ [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-motu === freeflyi2g [n=freeflyi@123.116.96.206] has joined #ubuntu-motu === YannDinendal [n=Yann@dyn-91-163-245-48.ppp.tiscali.fr] has joined #ubuntu-motu === oracle2025 [n=oracle@85-127-189-189.dynamic.adsl-line.inode.at] has joined #ubuntu-motu === norsetto [n=norsetto@host156-161-dynamic.57-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:21] morning [11:22] good evening, norsetto! [11:22] hiya Hobbsee! [11:22] Hi norsetto [11:22] Hi Hobbsee [11:22] hi geser [11:24] hi geser === TLE [n=kenneth@217.74.211.126] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:27] Evening Hobbsee, norsetto, geser :) [11:27] Evening RAOF [11:28] And StevenK :) === freeflying [n=freeflyi@123.116.96.206] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:28] hiya RAOF [11:28] evening raof :-) [11:28] RAOF: i hsould really send that email... [11:28] RAOF: I was going to bug you last night with WoW woes, but I sorted it out. === RAOF will get around to it, really! [11:28] StevenK: Ah, cool. [11:29] In other news, my sound works again (bug #131368) [11:29] Launchpad bug 131368 in linux-ubuntu-modules-2.6.22 "Dell 1420n audio not supported under Gutsy" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/131368 === StevenK is fixing WoW on his sister in laws machine. === elmargol [n=elmargol@host3-61-dynamic.48-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:29] Where it was fixed by buying a GeForce 6200. :-P [11:29] Heh. [11:29] What was in there before? [11:29] GeForce 4 MX === ivoks_ [n=ivoks@3-138.dsl.iskon.hr] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:30] Crap, but it should've worked. [11:30] *On-board* GeForce 4 MX using system RAM. [11:30] (Yay for Geforce 2 cores) [11:31] Even more crap, but still should've worked. jml uses his onboard intel, and that works. It's not any more powerful than the old, old nvidia cards :/ [11:31] Yeah, my problem is that you, ajmitch, and myself are all using -new, and the GeForce 4 is too old for -new. [11:31] Ah. [11:32] It's a pity that new-legacy can't be 9755, it's a better driver [11:32] StevenK: I am? [11:32] ajmitch: Oh, I thought you were. [11:32] afaik I'm using the standard nvidia-glx [11:32] It's also a pity that wine absolutely abhors Xgl. === StevenK watches 55Mb of the 2.2.0 patch download. === ajmitch does have a geforce 6600, so nothing special [11:33] StevenK: yeah, and I don't know if the patch itself is even out, or if that's just to prepare the way for it :) [11:34] The latter. === ajmitch had some issues with wine dying at the 'downloading' part on login [11:34] So did I. [11:34] 'fixed' by switching WoW to directX mode, letting it grab it, then switch back to opengl [11:34] I have just done a Wiki to Ical converter for GutsyReleaseSchedule, for those of you who'd like to test, it's at : http://www.stgraber.org/download/ubuntu/release-ical/ubuntuical.php [11:38] stgraber: thank you very much. This was I needed long time ago. === jussi01 [n=jussi@dyn3-82-128-184-60.psoas.suomi.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === freeflyi1g [n=freeflyi@123.116.96.206] has joined #ubuntu-motu === finalbeta [n=viper@d54C6865D.access.telenet.be] has joined #ubuntu-motu === freeflyi2g [n=freeflyi@123.116.96.206] has joined #ubuntu-motu === pygi [n=mario@158-227.dsl.iskon.hr] has joined #ubuntu-motu === pgquiles [n=pgquiles@250.Red-83-44-240.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === PriceChild [n=pricechi@ubuntu/member/pdpc.supporter.student.PriceChild] has joined #ubuntu-motu === freeflying [n=freeflyi@123.116.96.206] has joined #ubuntu-motu === gnomefreak [n=gnomefre@ubuntu/member/gnomefreak] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Lamego [n=lamego@a81-84-231-104.cpe.netcabo.pt] has joined #ubuntu-motu === freeflyi1g [n=freeflyi@123.116.96.206] has joined #ubuntu-motu === simu [n=simon@212-41-91-225.adsl.solnet.ch] has joined #ubuntu-motu === mattva01 [n=matthew@c-69-143-122-78.hsd1.va.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === highvoltage [n=highvolt@dsl-243-24-97.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-motu === reggaemanu [n=manu@ARennes-359-1-78-31.w86-199.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-motu === highvoltage [n=highvolt@dsl-241-178-136.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Kmos [n=gothicx@unaffiliated/kmos] has joined #ubuntu-motu === msikma [n=msikma@s55933ad4.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:59] Hi everybody, there's a translation of 7.10 which is "reviewed" to be correct, but I believe that it's got a grammatical mistake. How would I be able to comment on the translation? I already did suggest a new version. === freeflying [n=freeflyi@123.116.96.206] has joined #ubuntu-motu === pgquiles [n=pgquiles@200.Red-81-39-193.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === reggaemanu [n=manu@ARennes-359-1-36-103.w86-199.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-motu === freeflyi2g [n=freeflyi@123.116.96.206] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jekil [n=alessand@151.82.3.250] has joined #ubuntu-motu === DktrKranz [n=Luca@ubuntu/member/dktrkranz] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jeromeg [n=jerome@gra94-2-82-66-142-60.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === TLE [n=kenneth@217.74.211.126] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Frogzoo [n=Frogzoo@202.155.165.25] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:56] ScottK: what's hte problem? [01:57] superm1_: you want reviewer status? [01:58] (done) === jdstrand [n=james@mail.strandboge.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === fredix [n=fred@78.114.57.159] has joined #ubuntu-motu === fraco [n=fraco@213.219.141.36.adsl.dyn.edpnet.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Nightrose [n=lydia@amarok/rokymotion/nightrose] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Nightrose [n=lydia@amarok/rokymotion/nightrose] has left #ubuntu-motu [] === Jazzva [n=sasa@cable-89-216-129-52.dynamic.sbb.co.yu] has joined #ubuntu-motu === DarkSun88 [n=Ma@ubuntu/member/darksun88] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:11] Hi all === finalbeta [n=viper@d54C6865D.access.telenet.be] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:12] I mean delete debian/ from the orig.tar.gz if possible, if not .substvars from the .diff.gz [02:12] I dont understand this [02:14] there is a debian/ in the upstream, I cannot remove it. I contacted the author. he will provide proper source packages without debian/ folder for the comming releases [02:15] so I think I can solve this issue using .substvars and .diff.gz is there a howto on the wiki [02:15] there is not very much about .substvars in the packaging guide [02:17] simu, how can't you delete the debian/* from the orig ? [02:17] you are the one creating the orig.tar.gz [02:18] until upstream removes from its own tarball (probably on next release), you can do it your own for the building [02:18] allright I do it. its because the packaging guide tells to leave the upstream untouched [02:18] simu, are you refering to rotoscope ? [02:18] yep [02:18] allright I got it [02:18] Lamego: Well, generally the idea is that one doesn't repackage the orig.tar.gz unless forced to do so. [02:18] simu, well, and also tells debian/* should not be on the upstream tarball :) [02:18] broonie: yeah you got the point [02:18] broonie, which is the case :) [02:19] simu, I have tried rotoscope, it didn't produced the expected result [02:19] droped it [02:19] ?? [02:19] not sure if it could be amd64 related, i just know, the result of using it on some photos, was just a blank window :) [02:20] i mean, on the all of the few photos I have tried [02:20] rofl [02:20] read the fm [02:20] simu, nice, you will be telling that to all the users that will be trying it :) ? [02:20] you have to click using your mouse [02:21] thats all [02:21] that was described on the help ? (I just did a quick try on it) [02:21] you got a blank screen bcause you did not draw the lines with your mouse [02:22] ok, and, does the application contain some help on how to do it ? [02:22] it is not "native" behavior, at least, lookingo at the app, i was unable to figure how to use it [02:23] because I did not read the help, I assume it may have been my problem, does it provide an help ? [02:23] no ther is no help [02:23] no [02:23] I will tell that to the author [02:24] so, in my opinion (I am not a MOTU), you should either add some help to it, or drop it, because, at it's current state, a regular user, will not know how to use it [02:24] you don't care on putting something available to some million users, to tell them RTFM, when there is no RTFM available :) [02:25] but well, this is just my personal opinion [02:25] there is help on the project website [02:26] http://www.toonyphotos.com/how-to-use/ === reggaemanu [n=manu@ARennes-359-1-76-19.w86-199.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:27] what do you propose? [02:28] I dont wanna drop it just because of help is missing. [02:28] My packages are at ./dists/feisty/main/binary-i386 where do I have to put my sources? [02:28] the application itself is mature [02:28] ./dists/feisty/main/source ? [02:29] Perhaps the program ought to complain if the user selects "Render" without selecting any of the image first? === Czessi-m [n=czessi@194.95.66.31] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:29] (It sounds like it doesn't do that.) [02:29] right [02:29] I aggree with that [02:30] but I wonder: we are discussing the project, witch is not my business, instead of the packaging, which is [02:31] there are lots of alpha and beta packages [02:31] It's something that might be worth feeding back to upstream as something that causes difficulties for people using the distro packages. [02:32] yes I agree and I will do that. [02:33] simu, if you care about packaging something, you must care that people that will try it, will understand it, otherwise, you will get a lot of misinformed people like me, which will tell you that that package has no use ;) [02:35] Kmos: the motu-uvf team wants now to get subscribed to UVFe request and not assigned anymore [02:36] geser: ah sorry [02:36] Lamego: allright I write an email to the author with open issues. He already offered me help. === nuu [n=neuro@2001:5c0:8fff:fffe:0:0:0:1893] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:37] geser: thx for fixing it [02:38] Kmos: np, this was decided yesterday on the MOTU meeting === tmarble [n=tmarble@user-38q4et6.cable.mindspring.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:41] geser :) === jsgotangco [n=JSG@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-motu === finalbeta [n=viper@d54C6865D.access.telenet.be] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:44] I try to build a deb repository using apt-ftparchive and have a problem [02:44] Failed to fetch http://adina/~elmargol/gnunet-feisty/dists/feisty/Release Unable to find expected entry main/source/Sources in Meta-index file (malformed Release file?) [02:45] I think my release file is ok === phanatic [n=phanatic@3e44b24a.adsl.enternet.hu] has joined #ubuntu-motu === chrisle [n=chris@e178120102.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu === guest22 [n=brendt@c-76-26-103-132.hsd1.nm.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === JDahl [n=joachim@3e6b0cd5.rev.stofanet.dk] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Skiessi [n=qwe@dsl-roibrasgw1-fe88fb00-133.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:03] Lamego: ok I contacted the author to create another menuitem in the help menu. btw there is a man page for rotoscope. but I think novice users are loking for help in the menu (and not in the man page) since it is a gtk application (and not a command line tool) [03:04] Lamego: thanx you helped me a lot [03:04] simu, I share the same thinking about manpages for graphical apps ;) [03:04] np :) [03:07] Hobbsee: That was it. Thanks. [03:09] Lamego: Did you get your question answered about how one goes about repacking orig.tar.gz. [03:09] ScottK, I was the one answering :) [03:10] is Michael Bienna in here? [03:10] Ah. [03:10] Nevermind then. [03:10] *Bienia [03:10] JDahl: He's known as geser. [03:10] ok, thanks [03:13] geser, thanks for the notification on cvxopt-0.9 in debian unstable... I guess that if libdsdp is stuck in NEW it will be there for awhile? But we only need to change a single line in the python setup scripts to build CVXOPT without it, so maybe it can still get into gutsy? === chrisle [n=chris@e178120102.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:24] JDahl: sure, if it's still useful without libdsdp [03:25] geser, dsdp is a small part of it - I never included those addons in my own unofficial ubuntu packages [03:27] checking now what needs to be changed in the package [03:28] in the upstream source packages you need to change variable BUILD_DSDP = 0 in src/setup.py [03:32] JDahl: Debian has a patch in debian/patches which modifies setup.py to enable dsdp [03:32] I removed that part from the patch [03:33] great - then it should build... [03:33] JDahl: btw you can find the 0.9 source package in http://ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/main/c/cvxopt/ [03:35] ah ok... I was looking for it via "search" from http://packages.debian.org, but their database is probably out of sync === Nicke [n=niclasa@ua-83-227-140-135.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #ubuntu-motu === bmm [n=bram@cc400801-a.groni1.gr.home.nl] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:38] Any MOTU: I'm looking for my first advocate or comments on boswars at: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=70 .Thanks [03:38] JDahl: 0.9 was uploaded yesterday evening (european time) so it didn't propagate yet to all pages [03:45] bmm, you could use debian/dirs to create those directories [03:45] and the .install to handle the binaries installation [03:46] bmm, I am not a motu advocating, I am just doing some suggestions :) [03:49] Lamego: We encourage suggestions. Thanks. === alex-weej [n=alex@cpc2-darl3-0-0-cust237.midd.cable.ntl.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:51] does anyone know how apt determines the arch of its host? i am guess through one of the DEB_*_ARCH variables [03:52] or maybe dpkg-architecture directly === chrisle [n=chris@e178120102.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:53] geser: Would you have time to look at http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=71 for me? [03:53] Lamego: yes, why not, thanks. [03:54] joejaxx, don't believe it is based on dpkg-arch, because that is a dpkg-dev utility, which is not required for apt [03:54] joejaxx, eventually uname -m ? === neversfelde|mobi [n=neversfe@194.95.66.31] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:55] Lamego: i do not know if it is uname -m or not [03:56] it is not dpkg-architecture for sure :) === jono [n=jono@ubuntu/member/jono] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:56] well someone has to know :) [03:56] you could into the apt-get source code :P [03:56] look === reggaemanu [n=manu@ARennes-359-1-76-19.w86-199.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:58] joejaxx, you are refering to apt, as when you perform an apt-get install package ? [03:59] JDahl: uploading cvxopt 0.9 without libdsdp support now [03:59] thanks a lot! A kodak moment for me *sniff* [03:59] joejaxx: In the ubuntu-dev-tools (or something close to that) project on Launchpad there is a pbuilder setup script that IIRC does what you are trying to find out. I'd get it and look at the source. [04:00] ScottK: ok [04:00] i forgot dpkg-architecture was part of dpkg-dev [04:00] :P === finalbeta [n=viper@d54C6865D.access.telenet.be] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:01] i just want to know how i can set it manually [04:01]