[01:24] <orbisvicis> !libvdcss
[01:24] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about libvdcss - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[01:25] <s-x-u> !dvd
[01:25] <ubotu> For playing DVD, see http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/video.html - "libdvdcss2" can be found at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages - Try k9copy (available in !Universe) for backing up DVDs
[01:26] <orbisvicis> would medibuntu clash with xubuntu ?
[01:27] <s-x-u> what is: medibuntu
[01:27] <orbisvicis> !medibuntu
[01:27] <ubotu> medibuntu is a repository of packages that cannot be included into the Ubuntu distribution for legal reasons - See http://www.medibuntu.org
[01:28] <s-x-u> if ubotu knows about then no problem :-D
[01:28] <Dragonchaser] [> hi
[01:28] <s-x-u> hi
[01:29] <orbisvicis> ill try ... ty
[01:29] <orbisvicis> heh
[01:30] <Dragonchaser] [> i got some problems with my pc (athlon 1400), ubuntu wont boot, because it doesn't add the hdXX devices to the /dev tree
[01:30] <Dragonchaser] [> anybody seen this problem before / knows how to fix?
[01:30] <s-x-u> so you think grub is not ok ?
[01:30] <Dragonchaser] [> grub is fine i think
[01:31] <Pumpernickel> Which version of Xubuntu are you using?
[01:31] <Dragonchaser] [> the strange thing is i can boot debian, using 2.4.x kernel or 2.6.x kernel (2.6.x just doesn't load pci device modules)
[01:31] <Dragonchaser] [> Pumpernickel: 7.04
[01:31] <Pumpernickel> 7.04 uses the /dev/sd* naming convention, due to the libata change.
[01:31] <Pumpernickel> You may have to update your config.
[01:32] <Dragonchaser] [> ermm, even if i don't hava sata?
[01:32] <Pumpernickel> Yup.
[01:32] <Dragonchaser] [> hda1 should be sda1 then right?
[01:32] <Pumpernickel> Yup.
[01:33] <Dragonchaser] [> but the installer still creates config for hdXX
[01:37] <Pumpernickel> Is this an upgrade from Edgy, or a clean install?
[01:37] <Dragonchaser] [> clean install
[01:38] <Dragonchaser] [> Pumpernickel: i modified my fstab, well, but it doesn't work anyway
[01:39] <Pumpernickel> Curious; it shouldn't be using hd* at all - it's supposed to be using either sd* or UUIDs.
[01:39] <Dragonchaser] [> uses uuids
[01:39] <Dragonchaser] [> last prompt i get whilst booting with recovery kernel
[01:39] <Dragonchaser] [> is :Begin: Waiting for root file system... ...
[01:40] <Dragonchaser] [> and approx 5min laters it falls back to some busybox shell
[01:40] <s-x-u> you have some thing in grub menu that does not exist ?
[01:41] <Dragonchaser] [> possibly, but shouldn't have happend, its grub config of the installer
[01:41] <Dragonchaser] [> i normally don't modify them
[01:41] <scizzo-> the best way to reconfigure X is actually to run: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg?
[01:42] <scizzo-> cause I have a new graphics card and a new screen
[01:42] <Dragonchaser] [> the fastest i suppose sc0tt
[01:42] <s-x-u> scizzo-: yes if all the driver packages are installed
[01:43] <s-x-u> Dragonchaser] [: if you hit control-d in th busybox shell booting resumes ?
[01:44] <Dragonchaser] [> i don't think so, its not the maintanence shell
[01:44] <Dragonchaser] [> ill give it a try
[01:48] <Dragonchaser] [> s-x-u: ctrl-d only brings me back to the same shell
[01:48] <s-x-u> ok just an idea
[01:48] <Dragonchaser] [> shell also mentions that /dev/disk/by-uuid/*********************** doesn't exist
[01:49] <s-x-u> how is de hard drive se tup ?
[01:50] <Dragonchaser] [> hda1 /boot 64m
[01:50] <Dragonchaser] [> hda2 swap
[01:50] <Dragonchaser] [> hda3 / 19gig
[01:52] <s-x-u> hda1 uuid does not exist ?
[01:52] <Dragonchaser] [> thats the setup i entered whilst installing
[01:52] <Dragonchaser] [> hmm has the installer for the command line system been upgraded too?
[01:53] <s-x-u> i dont know
[01:53] <Dragonchaser] [> hmm maybe not...
[01:54] <s-x-u> strange idea backup /boot and create hda1 again ?
[01:54] <Dragonchaser] [> done this for times today
[01:55] <Dragonchaser] [> well strange is my realtek 8139 doen't work in none of the setups
[01:56] <s-x-u> update-grub tried ?
[01:56] <Dragonchaser] [> s-x-u: in grub shell?
[01:56] <s-x-u> no in terminal
[01:56] <Dragonchaser] [> how, when i can't boot the system?
[01:56] <s-x-u> no you cant hehe
[01:57] <s-x-u> try boot the live cd
[01:57] <Dragonchaser] [> maybe chrooting a rescure system
[01:57] <Dragonchaser] [> the only cdburner available is in that machine...
[01:57] <Dragonchaser] [> only have alternate
[02:01] <orbisvicis> so menu.lst in /boot/grub is set up right, but when the vmlinuz loads it cant find the root file system?
[02:01] <s-x-u> mkdir /rescue --- mount /dev/(s/h)da3 /rescue --- mount -o bind /dev /rescue/dev --- mount -o bind /proc /rescue proc --- chroot /rescue ---grub-install sda ?
[02:02] <s-x-u> --- divide commands not for command line
[02:04] <s-x-u> correct me if am wrong
[02:05] <s-x-u> im no geek
[02:05] <Dragonchaser] [> there is no sda
[02:06] <s-x-u> ok make it hda
[02:07] <s-x-u> you can boot in to command line with alternate cd ?
[02:07] <Dragonchaser] [> jup
[02:07] <s-x-u> ok
[02:07] <Dragonchaser] [> to the rescue system
[02:07] <Dragonchaser] [> btw, what we did killed grub
[02:07] <Dragonchaser] [> ... RIP (rest in peaces)
[02:08] <s-x-u> (02:01:58) ?
[02:08] <Dragonchaser] [> well whatever i pick in grub menu -> file not found
[02:09] <s-x-u> you need a reinstall
[02:10] <Dragonchaser] [> not again...
[02:10] <Dragonchaser] [> that's worse than installing vista
[02:11] <s-x-u> yes install again and stop after installing grub without formatting your partitions only select de mountpoints
[02:11] <Dragonchaser] [> ok
[02:12] <Dragonchaser] [> too late, format was already through as you wrote this
[02:12] <scizzo-> can't get the drivers to work correctly it seems
[02:12] <s-x-u> you are too fast ... first discuss ...
[02:13] <Dragonchaser] [> sry, twiddle fingers
[02:13] <scizzo-> s-x-u: I get error "wfb" cant be loaded in the start of the GDM
[02:13] <scizzo-> which...from what I understand is framebuffer
[02:14] <scizzo-> just that it can't find the libwfb
[02:14] <s-x-u> scizzo-: install it
[02:15] <scizzo-> s-x-u: can't find the package name
[02:15] <s-x-u> Dragonchaser] [: what are you doing
[02:15] <Dragonchaser] [> reinstalling base system
[02:16] <s-x-u> scizzo-: apt-cache search ... ?
[02:16] <The_Kernel> what's going on?!
[02:16] <Dragonchaser] [> s-x-u: tell me what to do when he asks for reboot
[02:16] <scizzo-> s-x-u: well can't find anything on wfb
[02:16] <scizzo-> or libwfb
[02:17] <s-x-u> scizzo-:  then i dont know
[02:17] <s-x-u> Dragonchaser] [: reboot :)
[02:17] <Dragonchaser] [> s-x-u: then well be back at the strange busybox shell
[02:19] <s-x-u> then reinstall and delete all partitons and write a new partition table make new partions and no apart /boot
[02:19] <Dragonchaser] [> s-x-u: already have done that
[02:19] <Dragonchaser] [> there is no extra /boot
[02:19] <Dragonchaser] [> ...this time
[02:20] <s-x-u> did you reboot ?
[02:20] <s-x-u> or are you installing
[02:20] <Dragonchaser] [> not yet stimm installing
[02:21] <s-x-u> are you installing de text system ?
[02:21] <Dragonchaser] [> jup
[02:21] <s-x-u> ok
[02:22] <s-x-u> how did you set up your drive this time ?
[02:22] <Dragonchaser] [> hda1 primary 19gig /
[02:22] <Dragonchaser] [> hda5 secondary 1 gig swap
[02:22] <Dragonchaser] [> used autoconfig
[02:23] <s-x-u> 2, 3 and 4 ?
[02:23] <Dragonchaser] [> weren't created by the installer
[02:25] <s-x-u> so you love installing operating systems ? ;-)
[02:25] <Dragonchaser] [> well, its not like that i am a noob to linux
[02:25] <Dragonchaser] [> this system just freaks me off
[02:26] <Dragonchaser] [> it's the sixth machin i setup with ubuntu, none of the first 5 ever made problems,
[02:26] <Dragonchaser] [> .... exept for the evil nr.6
[02:26] <Dragonchaser] [> it's like the beginning of a wonderful relationship.... based on hate....
[02:28] <s-x-u> I AM a noob BUT linux is easy most of the time if i get errors i can do something useful with the error message
[02:28] <Dragonchaser] [> usually, when you get errors
[02:30] <gerro> Got my panel set to auto hide but it still shows a little sliver when hidden. How do I fully hide it?
[02:31] <s-x-u> my previous system gives me unreadable errors so i couldnt do anything to fix
[02:31] <s-x-u> impossible
[02:32] <s-x-u> gerro: impossible
[02:36] <s-x-u> your realtek is the next problem
[02:38] <Dragonchaser] [> s-x-u: why?
[02:40] <s-x-u> it didnt work you said
[02:40] <Dragonchaser] [> it used to work under, suse,mandrake,slackware,debian, ubuntu
[02:41] <Dragonchaser] [> well it doesn't now...
[02:43] <gerro> what doesn't work? what unreadable errors?
[02:43] <gerro> wtf!? what is impossible I am so confused
[02:43] <s-x-u> gerro:
[02:44] <Dragonchaser] [> gerro: my system, my 8139
[02:44] <gerro> s-x-u:....
[02:44] <gerro> 8139?
[02:44] <s-x-u> gerro: you only have to read lines with your own name in it
[02:44] <Dragonchaser] [> realtek rtl 8139c
[02:44] <gerro> is that a network card?
[02:44] <Dragonchaser] [> hrhr
[02:44] <tetragon> Hi, I've been looking for a way to disable the SCSI subsystem on the kernel used by the Xubuntu 7.04 desktop disk, but have yet to find one.  Does anyone know of a way to do that?  I have a Thinkpad i1200 that's hanging on boot during SCSI subsystem initialisation.
[02:44] <Dragonchaser] [> bingo
[02:45] <gerro> tetragon: sounds like a bios issue
[02:45] <s-x-u> Dragonchaser] [: bingo
[02:45] <s-x-u> Dragonchaser] [:  = ?
[02:46] <Dragonchaser] [> s-x-u: bingo is a game, where you shout bingo when you've won
[02:46] <tetragon> gerro: Nothing fancy in this box's bios, just date, time, boot order, parallel port, and password settings
[02:46] <Dragonchaser] [> what about blacklisting the module?
[02:46] <s-x-u> Dragonchaser] [: are you playing now?
[02:47] <Dragonchaser] [> s-x-u: well no.... just some brainbug :)
[02:48] <s-x-u> Dragonchaser] [: how to blacklist a module ...
[02:48] <Dragonchaser] [> /etc/modules/blacklist i think
[02:49] <Dragonchaser] [> ermm /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist
[02:49] <s-x-u> tetragon:  luck with the blacklist
[02:50] <tetragon> s-x-u: How do I do that from the boot prompt?
[02:50] <Dragonchaser] [> tetragon: boot rescue system
[02:50] <Dragonchaser] [> mount partition to /mnt
[02:50] <Dragonchaser] [> modify the file using nano or sth
[02:50] <tetragon> Dragonchaser] [: Nothing has been installed yet.
[02:50] <Dragonchaser] [> oh...
[02:50] <s-x-u> sudo nano /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist
[02:51] <tetragon> Dragonchaser] [: I can't get the desktop installer disk to boot (and I verified the burn)
[02:51] <Dragonchaser] [> tetragon: why not?
[02:51] <Dragonchaser] [> s-x-u: installing grub
[02:51] <tetragon> Dragonchaser] [: Hangs during SCSI subsystem initialisation
[02:51] <s-x-u> ok
[02:52] <Dragonchaser] [> tetragon: tried alternate install
[02:52] <tetragon> Dragonchaser] [: Waiting for the disk burn
[02:52] <Dragonchaser] [> s-x-u: rebooting....
[02:52] <s-x-u> is there a no scsi option
[02:53] <tetragon> s-x-u: Haven't found one yet
[02:53] <s-x-u> Dragonchaser] [: rrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
[02:53] <Dragonchaser] [> ....
[02:53] <gerro> s-x-u: that is what I was saying probably a no scsi option in his bios
[02:53] <Dragonchaser] [> no chance...
[02:53] <tetragon> gerro: This box does not have SCSI
[02:53] <Dragonchaser] [> s-x-u: hangs again
[02:54] <s-x-u> what is the message
[02:54] <Dragonchaser] [> Waiting for root file system... ...
[02:54] <tetragon> s-x-u: [245.568410]  SCSI subsystem initialized
[02:55] <s-x-u> Dragonchaser] [: well wait lets goolge
[02:55] <s-x-u> google
[02:55] <s-x-u> tetragon: is your harddrive scsi ?
[02:55] <tetragon> s-x-u: No, IDE, 20GB
[02:56] <Dragonchaser] [> s-x-u: alrady did that...
[02:56] <Dragonchaser] [> no chance...
[02:56] <tetragon> s-x-u: This system boots DSL
[02:56] <Dragonchaser] [> ill give it another try tomorry
[02:56] <Dragonchaser] [> tomorrow, i am too tired
[02:57] <Dragonchaser] [> n8i
[02:57] <s-x-u> ok
[02:57] <s-x-u> read the log ...
[02:57] <s-x-u> of this channel
[02:58] <s-x-u> maybe i find something in dutch
[02:59] <s-x-u> tetragon: so theoretically you can install
[02:59] <tetragon> s-x-u: In theory.  (The alternate burn is verifying now)
[03:01] <s-x-u> im looking for a way to skip scsi detection because the alternate scans also for scsi
[03:02] <tetragon> But at least the alternate disk has a nicer installer
[03:03] <gerro> hey in ubuntu there is a run option in the menu, what does that load? I'm going to add a key combo for super + r and remove desktop icons & panels to save resouces
[03:03] <s-x-u> --disable=scsi
[03:05] <tetragon> Hrm... What comes after SCSI in the typical Xubuntu boot?
[03:05] <s-x-u> tetragon: you have to do include that option manually in the live cd menu with f6 i think --disable scsi
[03:05] <tetragon> The boot is still hanging, but this time at the message before the SCSI one
[03:06] <s-x-u> tetragon: what is that message ?
[03:06] <tetragon> s-x-u: [   41.973295]  ohci_hcd 0000:00:14.0: irq 10, io mem 0x82400000
[03:07] <tetragon> This is the message that used to immediately precede the SCSI message
[03:07] <tetragon> But it is now the final message
[03:07] <tetragon> What is typically loaded after SCSI?
[03:09] <s-x-u> Dragonchaser] [: you need a live cd http://forums.whirlpool.net.au/forum-replies-archive.cfm/806681.html
[03:09] <s-x-u> tetragon:  i dont know i ll give you another option
[03:10] <s-x-u> --disable=parallel,serial,usb,scsi,pcmcia try this and tell me what happens
[03:12] <tetragon> Hangs at the same point it did with just --disable=scsi
[03:13] <cellofellow> wouldn't that be noscsi on a kernel options line?
[03:13] <tetragon> cellofellow: Tried that earlier with no effect
[03:18] <s-x-u> cellofellow: is it --disable=noscsi ?
[03:19] <cellofellow> should just be noscsi, you can also set things like noapm or nousb, etc.
[03:19] <s-x-u> so it should be --noscsi
[03:19] <cellofellow> no, just noscsi
[03:20] <cellofellow> on the kernel options. the kernel doesn't need -- things.
[03:20] <s-x-u> tetragon: read that
[03:21] <tetragon> Trying "noscsi nousb noapm"
[03:22] <s-x-u> ok
[03:22] <tetragon> Still hanging after the ohci_hcd status message comes up
[03:23] <s-x-u> grrrrr
[03:23] <tetragon> What does the Xubuntu installer kernel normally load after "SCSI subsystem initialized" is displayed?
[03:23] <s-x-u> i dont know someone else ?
[03:23] <tetragon> If I can find that out, I can try disabling that
[03:25] <cellofellow> yeah, if the scsi is working (seems like it from that message) you are barking up the wrong tree.
[03:25] <cellofellow> do remove quiet and splash from the boot options
[03:25] <tetragon> cellofellow: How else do you think I got those boot messages?
[03:26] <cellofellow> maybe there is even an option like verbose that will give you more messages
[03:26] <tetragon> cellofellow: I loathe and despise boot splashes
[03:26] <cellofellow> of course slap(self)
[03:29] <s-x-u>   Mount virtual filesystems.    Start udevd to handle device node creation, etc.    Create base device nodes by tickling the parts of /sys that reflect the platform.    Load essential modules from /etc/mkinitramfs/modules (and other force_load calls).    Walk the PCI /sys tree for hard-drive devices and tickle those, also tickle the IDE, SCSI and i2o buses. Other buses aren't known to contain drives we support for the root filesystem.    Attempt h
[03:30] <s-x-u> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UdevRoadmap
[03:30] <tetragon> Bah, noudev didn't help this system
[03:31] <s-x-u> udev is the detection program
[03:31] <s-x-u> :)
[03:32] <tetragon> I've dealt with systems that would only boot with that option
[03:33] <tetragon> Hrm... looking at the dmesg output of another system, it loaded USB mass storage devices and the actual IDE disks after loading SCSI
[03:33] <s-x-u> i ll look in mine too smart idea
[03:34] <cellofellow> udev actually isn't the detection program
[03:34] <tetragon> Didn't they change IDE subsystems with 7.04?
[03:34] <cellofellow> I think it uses scsi emulation like everything else (sata, usb, etc.).
[03:34] <s-x-u> is it ?
[03:35] <cellofellow> udev is userspace, while the actual device detection is happening in kernelspace.
[03:35] <tetragon> udev replaced hotplug
[03:35] <cellofellow> s-x-u: I thought it was, but maybe not. I thought it was something to do with linux 2.6.20
[03:36] <s-x-u> i think tetragon is right
[03:36] <cellofellow> udev replaced devfs
[03:36] <cellofellow> I think hotplug is still there.
[03:37] <cellofellow> josh@josh:~$ dmesg | grep hotplug
[03:37] <cellofellow> [   32.384000]  pci_hotplug: PCI Hot Plug PCI Core version: 0.5
[03:37] <cellofellow> odd that that was it
[03:38] <s-x-u> ok we know it now
[03:44] <s-x-u> tetragon: what is your next step
[03:44] <tetragon> s-x-u: I've grabbed a 6.10 Edubuntu install disk.  I'll see if it can boot
[03:46] <tetragon> So, the 6.10 installer disk hangs at the same point in the boot process
[03:49] <tetragon> However, I got it to boot with "noapic nolapci pci=conf2"
[03:50] <tetragon> Options that didn't work with 7.04 when I tried them in two groups
[03:51] <s-x-u> no plug and play ? i dont no the exact word
[03:51] <tetragon> Got 7.04 alternate to boot with "noapic nolapic pci=conf2"
[03:54] <tetragon> Now the system is locking up during the installer's hardware detection
[03:57] <s-x-u> aargh
[03:58] <s-x-u> is there a possibility to only boot and read the logs ?
[03:58] <s-x-u> maybe you can find something then
[03:58] <tetragon> Give me a moment, I think this time I have the option to disable the item it was locking up on enabled
[03:59] <tetragon> It has now passed the hardware autodetection.  The current kernel command line is:
[03:59] <tetragon> noapic nolapic pci=conf2 hw-detect/start_pcmcia=false
[04:00] <s-x-u> now trying to install again ?
[04:01] <tetragon> Erm... it can't find the built in NIC
[04:01] <s-x-u> nic = ?
[04:01] <tetragon> Network Interface Card
[04:02] <s-x-u> disable networking
[04:02] <tetragon> I'll deal with it later
[04:02] <tetragon> Thankfully this laptop isn't a netinstall
[04:03] <s-x-u> im going to bed - i think you ll get it done
[04:04] <s-x-u> zzz...
[04:04] <cellofellow> tetragon: I think you've a goofy motherboard or something, if you have trouble with every single piece of hardware on your box.
[04:05] <s-x-u> it can also be the kernel ...zzz
[04:06] <cellofellow> maybe a different distribution (with a different build of the kernel) would work better.
[04:07] <cellofellow> yay! My buddy maxamillion is here!
[04:07] <tetragon> If much more goes wrong with this install, I'm burning a set of Debian DVDs.  I don't trust this thing to my usual netinstall.
[04:07] <s-x-u> yes but if it is installed then he can also use the updatemanager
[04:07] <maxamillion> hi hi
[04:08] <maxamillion> tetragon: debian = win
[04:08] <inet_dude> Hi, i've installed xubuntu/compiz/beryl.
[04:08] <inet_dude> without problems- but still no eyecandy. what gives? :(
[04:08] <cellofellow> which one, compiz or beryl? or compiz-fusion?
[04:08] <cellofellow> inet_dude: you have to turn them on
[04:08] <s-x-u> $ compiz --replace
[04:08] <tetragon> maxamillion: Debian is my preferred distro.
[04:09] <neozen> tetragon: running etch?
[04:09] <inet_dude> well, first beryl- usually running beryl-manager on windows'll bring up the systray icon and from there it'll automatically load beryl. but its a no-go. then i tried compiz.
[04:09] <tetragon> neozen: Depends upon the system
[04:09] <neozen> tetragon: ah
[04:09] <tetragon> neozen: I have sarge, etch, and sid
[04:09] <maxamillion> tetragon: http://maxamillion.googlepages.com <--- all about me and my opinions about debian ... etc :)
[04:09] <inet_dude> And so far, the only fancy thing it seems to do is allow me to use shadows and transparency on windows
[04:09] <neozen> tetragon: which one's sid again?
[04:09] <s-x-u> zzz
[04:09] <tetragon> neozen: unstable
[04:09] <maxamillion> neozen: the unstable branch
[04:10] <neozen> ah
[04:10] <cellofellow> maxamillion: you need to keep psuedogen.blogspot.com going more often.
[04:10] <tetragon> neozen: Although on that box, I'll also occasionally add in a sprinkling of experimental
[04:10] <maxamillion> cellofellow: yes, there is a link to my blog on my google page and i plan to blog more often, i believe i will have a post by monday :)
[04:10] <neozen> heh
[04:11] <neozen> maxamillion: you're google page?
[04:11] <neozen> *your
[04:11] <neozen> maxamillion: dost thou work for google?
[04:11] <maxamillion> neozen: http://maxamillion.googlepages.com
[04:11] <inet_dude> ok, i have to turn 'em on- but where exactly is the program/setting? I've never used xfce before. am familiar with gnome's gconf-editor though.
[04:11] <maxamillion> neozen: heh ... if i become a lucky human being i might one day, but currently i am still a college student
[04:11] <tetragon> http://tentra.googlepages.com is mostly used as a dumping place for LedgerSMB screenshots
[04:11] <cellofellow> neozen: that's a dream of his though.
[04:12] <neozen> ahh... I see... google got into the free web hosting thing
[04:12] <maxamillion> tetragon: LedgerSMB?
[04:12] <tetragon> maxamillion: A fork of SQL-Ledger
[04:12] <neozen> ...am working my way through dive into python
[04:12] <neozen> ...taking for-##@$@#-ever
[04:12] <neozen> ...damn java job getting in my way
[04:12] <tetragon> maxamillion: I don't actually link to them on any of the pages
[04:13] <inet_dude> ok, am getting this message: beryl: Could not acquire compositing manager selection on screen 0 display ":0.0 when i run beryl
[04:13] <maxamillion> tetragon: lol
[04:13] <tetragon> maxamillion: Instead there is stuff like this http://tentra.googlepages.com/lsmb-expiry-display.png laying about that I use to show the other developers
[04:13] <neozen> maxamillion: if it helps at all.. that would be my dream as well
[04:14] <inet_dude> all the texts passes though. i mean the GLX_* stuff.
[04:14] <neozen> maxamillion: but... I graduated... and now have a job... coding java
[04:14] <maxamillion> neozen: dive into python is a good book, i actually only got half way through it and then wrote a compiler in python
[04:14] <neozen> maxamillion: lol
[04:14] <maxamillion> neozen: that seems to be what most of my friends are doing as well
[04:14] <tetragon> neozen: I didn't use "Dive into Python".  I just used the Python tutorial (back in the 2.3 days) and rewrote a 400 line shell script.
[04:15] <neozen> maxamillion: must've been the best-formatted compiler ever
[04:15] <neozen> .....what gives w/ all the no such nick/channel msgs?
[04:15] <neozen> server go boom or something?
[04:16] <maxamillion> i am actually looking into doing some wiki development ... i told myself i was going to write pyGTK apps but i got lazy and didn't learn pyGTK
[04:16] <neozen> maxamillion: on the suggestion of my friends... I would say use wxwidgets instead
[04:16] <tetragon> Who cares about pyGTK when Python already has a much more useful curses module
[04:17] <neozen> maxamillion: seems to translate better cross-platform
[04:17] <maxamillion> neozen: it was well formatted and very well documented but technically it wasn't a compiler by definition ... it would generate an object file full of assembly and then you had to assemble it... but it was a fun experience and a good project for my class, i got a B on the assignment :)
[04:17] <neozen> tetragon: lol
[04:17] <neozen> maxamillion: eheheehe
[04:18] <maxamillion> tetragon: actually curses is something i do plan to learn instead of pygtk, or atleast before i learn pygtk
[04:18] <neozen> maxamillion: the compiler we wrote in my compiler class was in java, it ended up making properly formatted assembly code that got fed through the gnu assembler
[04:18] <maxamillion> tetragon: do you have any good python curses tutorials/documentation i could reference in my quest?
[04:18] <maxamillion> neozen: yup, same way ours was
[04:18] <neozen> cellofellow: ::nods::
[04:19] <maxamillion> cellofellow: its a respectable gui toolkit
[04:19] <neozen> cellofellow: have heard many good things about it
[04:19] <cellofellow> I need my stuff to run exactly the same on both windows and linux.
[04:19] <cellofellow> only wx gives me that one.
[04:19] <neozen> cellofellow: haven't drank the kool-aid myself though yet
[04:19] <tetragon> maxamillion: I used the API docs on python.org
[04:19] <maxamillion> tetragon: oh .. heh, makes sense
[04:19] <tetragon> maxamillion: And the documentation for ncurses (the C manpages)
[04:20] <maxamillion> ahhhh good ol' C ... the elegance that can't be denied but the language i prefer not to code in (i learned to love and hate it during my unix systems programming course)
[04:21] <neozen> within the next month I want to write a lighter weight googlizer in python for the xfce4-panel.... anyone think that's TOO ambitious?
[04:21] <tetragon> I recently wrote part of a print driver in Perl.  It was painful.  Should have been C.
[04:21] <neozen> hardest part will be snagging contents of the clipboard for X
[04:22] <maxamillion> neozen: lighter weight plugin written in python for xfce? ... most xfce panel plugins are written in C
[04:22] <maxamillion> tetragon: perl is painful ... i learned enough to know i don't want to code in it
[04:22] <neozen> maxamillion: ehehehe
[04:22] <neozen> maxamillion: perhaps... but I'm not a C kind of guy.... not yet
[04:23] <neozen> maxamillion: and I've heard some horror stories about documentation for X
[04:23] <neozen> scary!!!!
[04:24] <cellofellow> That's why there are toolkits
[04:24] <tetragon> maxamillion: $data |= ($xbm->xybit($x, 8*($row - 1) + (8 - $bit)*2 + 1) << ($bit - 1));
[04:24] <maxamillion> neozen: its not entirely a bad thing, i personally thing python is plenty light and fast for a plugin and even application programming ... i personally think C should be left to systems programming
[04:24] <neozen> maxamillion: I feel the same...
[04:24] <cellofellow> I dunno, system-config-printer could be faster.
[04:24] <neozen> maxamillion: though I do love bit twiddling
[04:25] <tetragon> Perl is painful for bit twiddling
[04:25] <cellofellow> Now, if you think Python is slow at all, Perl is really slow on my box.
[04:25] <neozen> thus the C for bit-twiddling
[04:26] <tetragon> Most of the rest of the code isn't bit-twiddling, so it wasn't worth it to go XS
[04:29] <maxamillion> C is a very good language, but its a systems level language for kernels, drivers, and server daemons ... and thus i don't code in it unless i have to (since i'm not really a systems programmer for fun)
[04:29] <maxamillion> also add "anything that needs to be fast" to the list
[04:36] <neozen> soo many ways to gank the textual contents of the X clipboard in python.... anyone have a simple clean idea for doing it?
[04:37] <neozen> preferably one that plays nice w/ xfce and won't require nasty things like gnome or kde bindings?
[04:38] <maxamillion> neozen: i don't know off the top of my head but i'm sure there is a method for that in python-xlib
[04:39] <neozen> python-xlib... gotcha
[04:39] <neozen> lol... "maintainer still wanted" in bright red @ the top of the documentation for python-xlib
[04:41] <maxamillion> neozen: yeah, its a little depricated but pypanel (my favorite minimalist system panel) is written in it without issue
[04:41] <neozen> hmm...
[04:41] <neozen> not seeing anything in there
[04:41] <maxamillion> :(
[04:41] <maxamillion> gah!!!! my internet is so slow!!!
[04:42] <maxamillion> neozen: hey, not to be a nag but do you mind if we take this to #xubuntu-offtopic ?
[04:42] <tetragon> A few years back I used a window manager that used Python and python-xlib for its configuration system.  I used that to do fancy opacity follows focus back before the days of compiz, beryl, and Xorg
[04:42] <neozen> maxamillion: no problem at all
[04:43] <maxamillion> tetragon: (can we also move this to #xubuntu-offtopic) do you by any chance remember the name of it? ... i would love to check it out
[04:51] <laserbeak43> hi
[04:51] <laserbeak43> ccan someone please tell me how to set a path variabl?
[04:51] <laserbeak43> variable?
[04:51] <laserbeak43> i want to add a folder in my home directory
[04:51] <tetragon> export PATH=~/bin:${PATH}
[04:51] <laserbeak43> so i don't have to manualy add it everytime i write a program
[04:52] <laserbeak43> what does that do? send it to /bin?
[04:52] <tetragon> You can add that to .bashrc and .bash_profile
[04:52] <tetragon> And that prefixes the existing $PATH with ~/bin
[04:52] <laserbeak43> dont remember much about bash files
[04:52] <tetragon> So it checks the ~/bin directory first
[04:52] <laserbeak43> crap
[04:52] <laserbeak43> u just confused the hell out of me lOLOL
[04:53] <laserbeak43> sorry man
[04:53] <laserbeak43> so type export PATH=~/bin;${PATH}
[04:53] <laserbeak43> which part of that would be my directory?
[04:53] <laserbeak43> the one that i want to add?
[04:54] <tetragon> You would replace ~/bin with the desired directory, and use a colon to seperate elements, not the semicolon
[04:54] <laserbeak43> oh ok thanks :)
[04:55] <cellofellow> actually, bash checks /usr/local/sbin first, then /usr/local/bin, then /usr/sbin, etc.
[04:55] <tetragon> cellofellow: It would check ~/bin first if you were to make that the first element of your path
[04:55] <maxamillion> bash checks anything in PATH in the order they are listed ... it just parses the list and then processes each directory
[04:55] <maxamillion> errr $PATH
[04:55] <maxamillion> pardon my bad notation
[04:56] <laserbeak43> :)
[04:56] <cellofellow> I think it does it in reverse though, with later stuff going first.
[04:57] <tetragon> It doesn't go in reverse
[04:58] <laserbeak43> oh
[04:58] <cellofellow> josh@josh:~$ echo $PATH
[04:58] <cellofellow> /usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin:/usr/bin/X11:/usr/games
[04:58] <cellofellow> josh@josh:~$ locate update-grub
[04:58] <cellofellow> /usr/share/man/man8/update-grub.8.gz
[04:58] <cellofellow> /usr/sbin/update-grub
[04:58] <cellofellow> /sbin/update-grub
[04:58] <cellofellow> josh@josh:~$ which update-grub
[04:58] <cellofellow> /usr/sbin/update-grub
[04:58] <cellofellow> sure about that?
[04:58] <laserbeak43> yeah that was my next question cellofellow
[04:58] <cellofellow> never mind, shoot my own foot.
[04:58] <laserbeak43> but the listing i just added is first in the list
[04:58] <laserbeak43> thanks tetragon :)
[04:59] <laserbeak43> !seen vidd
[04:59] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about seen vidd - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:59] <ashnur> hi
[05:00] <cellofellow> the seen thing was taken out some time ago.
[05:00] <DARKGuy> Hey, sorry I know this isn't the channel but I'm not getting help... could somebody here help me please in making an ad-hoc connection between two Ubuntu Feisty computers?
[05:00] <laserbeak43> oh
[05:05] <cellofellow> DARKGuy: Ummm
[05:05] <cellofellow> !ad-hoc
[05:05] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ad-hoc - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:05] <cellofellow> !ad hoc
[05:05] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ad hoc - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:06] <cellofellow> ummm
[05:06] <cellofellow> !wifi
[05:06] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[05:06] <laserbeak43> whats as-hoc?
[05:06] <cellofellow> laserbeak43: non-router to non-router wireless network.
[05:06] <cellofellow> LAN only mostly.
[05:07] <cellofellow> The easiest way may be to turn one of the computers into an AP. You can do that with Linux (unlike with Windows which just likes to block you up.)
[05:07] <yotux> If I install gnome apps will that take away most of the speed of xubuntu?
[05:08] <cellofellow> yotux: only when they are running
[05:08] <laserbeak43> lol
[05:08] <laserbeak43> sorry...
[05:08] <yotux> I really like k3b and my gf likes gaim
[05:08] <cellofellow> yotux: I have a few apps that use the gnome libraries, and it isn't that bad. Mostly it's that running the full gnome desktop is so huge.
[05:09] <cellofellow> Gaim isn't GNOME. And neither is K3B, it's KDE.
[05:09] <yotux> k3b used qt libs and gaim is python and gtk I think
[05:09] <cellofellow> Pumpernickel: Thanks. Adam gave me that and I was nervous about it.
[05:09] <yotux> Please correct me if I am wrong
[05:09] <pfein> hi, I'm installing xubuntu for my landlord's 8 year old daughter... any suggestions on packages?  games, educational, etc..
[05:09] <cellofellow> Gaim is C and GTK
[05:10] <Pumpernickel> cellofellow: I thought it was a bit odd of him. o_O
[05:10] <yotux> pfein -- look up the package for edubuntu
[05:10] <cellofellow> pfein: Kids love SuperTux
[05:10] <yotux> frozen bubble is another good one
[05:10] <cellofellow> pfein: wouldn't hurt to include TuxType and maybe GCompris as well.
[05:10] <laserbeak43> is that the mario thing
[05:10] <cellofellow> laserbeak43: yeah
[05:11] <laserbeak43> :)
[05:11] <yotux> Has anyone where use or heard about CNr in gusty?
[05:11] <laserbeak43> what would i need to do to install my usb bluetooth adapter on this computer?
[05:11] <cellofellow> CNR will be available when it's available. Linspire has to work it out.
[05:11] <laserbeak43> would it automaticly find drivers?
[05:11] <cellofellow> !bluetooth laserbeak43
[05:12] <laserbeak43> !bluetooth
[05:12] <ubotu> For instructions on how to set up bluetooth, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BluetoothSetup
[05:12] <laserbeak43> cool :)
[05:12] <laserbeak43> this talk of games makes me want to break out the wiimote
[05:12] <cellofellow> I missed the | and ubotu complained personally to me.
[05:12] <Wizard> hello
[05:12] <laserbeak43> hi
[05:12] <Wizard> i have one, small question\
[05:12] <cellofellow> Pumpernickel: I'm ops in -offtopic too.
[05:13] <cellofellow> !ask | Wizard
[05:13] <pfein> cellofellow: thx
[05:13] <ubotu> Wizard: Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[05:13] <Wizard> does xubuntu have some graphical config tool? like kubuntu?
[05:13] <pfein> my landlord's mexican... his kid speak some english, but parents only speak spanish, so anything vocabulary oriented would be good...
[05:13] <yotux> Wizard I think so
[05:13] <DARKGuy> cellofellow: I already tried the wifi docs and google stuff, nothing works
[05:13] <cellofellow> Wizard: there are several of them. One for network, one for users and groups. The XFCE settings panel is for the personal desktop settings.
[05:14] <cellofellow> DARKGuy: I'm not sure how to set up a wifi card as an access point, but I think you can do it without too much sweat.
[05:14] <Wizard> because in kubuntu i see modified kcontrol
[05:14] <cellofellow> Wizard: last I checked Kubuntu had a Settings Manager or something that was an extension of kcontrol.
[05:15] <DARKGuy> cellofellow: I have it configured already to work when my laptop is on Windows, but I don't know how to make it connect through ubuntu
[05:15] <yotux> DARKGuy: There as a thread in the forums
[05:15] <cellofellow> Wizard: there isn't a centralized place for settings though.
[05:15] <Wizard> cellofellow: but all needed options are somewhere, right ?
[05:15] <DARKGuy> yotux: where?
[05:15] <cellofellow> Wizard: yes. Either in the Applications -> Settings or Applications -> System menus.
[05:15] <Wizard> good
[05:16] <Wizard> so, i'll wget xubuntu
[05:16] <yotux> DARKGuy:  are you trying to connect to a AP or create an AP?
[05:16] <DARKGuy> yotux: I have no APs nor do I intent to make one... I just want to connect my laptop directly to my desktop like you could with a crossover cable and two LAN cards
[05:16] <Wizard> how much space does minimal installation of xubuntu take ?
[05:17] <DARKGuy> yotux: but if you mean with AP my desktop PC, then yes I'm trying to connect to it
[05:17] <cellofellow> Wizard: about 1.5GB
[05:17] <Wizard> hmm, nice :)
[05:17] <yotux> no I misunderstood you I do some checking
[05:17] <cellofellow> DARKGuy: with an AP is not ad-hoc.
[05:18] <DARKGuy> cellofellow: yes I know :P I lack a second comp to make an AP :P
[05:18] <cellofellow> i'm confused
[05:18] <DARKGuy> ?
[05:18] <yotux> DARKGuy:  everything of using ssh?
[05:19] <DARKGuy> yotux: huh? I can't make a connection for starters, computers don't ping each other so I don't think ssh would be able to work on an unexistant network :P
[05:20] <DARKGuy> I have my desktop PC already set up to work when I had Windows on my laptop. Now I dual-booted to Ubuntu on it and I need to know how to connect it like I would on Windows
[05:20] <DARKGuy> The problem would be connecting to my desktop's USB wireless card
[05:20] <yotux> ???
[05:21] <Wizard> ok, last question befeore installing. what's included in minimal installation ?
[05:21] <yotux> I think base files and command line only
[05:22] <cellofellow> Wizard: Firefox, Thunderbird, Gaim, Abiword, Gnumeric, Gxine, that about covers it.
[05:22] <cellofellow> Wizard: for desktop apps anyway.
[05:22] <DARKGuy> yotux: ??? <- what confused you? :/
[05:23] <cellofellow> I miss anything?
[05:23] <Wizard> cellofellow: THANK YOU
[05:23] <Wizard> ayy
[05:24] <Wizard> sorry for capslock, it was accident ;)
[05:24] <yotux> DARJGuy:  Are you using wifi or ether
[05:25] <yotux> crossover able means ether to me so when you talked about wifi it has confused me
[05:26] <laserbeak43> mom's making mixed drinks at her place
[05:26] <laserbeak43> PEACE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[05:52] <Wizard> hmm.. i don't see ppc version
[05:52] <Wizard> year ago there was one..
[05:52] <cellofellow> yup
[05:52] <tonyyarusso> !ppc
[05:52] <ubotu> PowerPC.  Formerly used by Apple for the Macintosh line of computers. Variants are now used in popular gaming consoles. PPC was a fully supported Ubuntu architecture up to and including edgy. It is now a community port, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PowerPCFAQ
[05:53] <cellofellow> Wizard: you won't find it on the main website cause it's not official.
[05:53] <tonyyarusso> Also, #ubuntu-ppc
[05:53] <Wizard> ah, ok
[05:55] <Wizard> which login manager does xubuntu use ?
[05:55] <tonyyarusso> GdM
[05:55] <Wizard> ok
[05:55] <tonyyarusso> GDM rather
[05:55] <Wizard> fine
[05:56] <Wizard> so, i'm going home to burn and install :) see you
[06:04] <infbliss> can somebody tell me where to report thunar bugs
[06:04] <tetragon> Now to see if that arduous install worked
[06:05] <cellofellow> infbliss: try xfce's website, or just Launchpad.
[06:05] <tetragon> hehe, hangs right where the installer disk did
[06:06] <infbliss> cello: but launchpad wants me to register with my email
[06:06] <cellofellow> ahh
[06:07] <infbliss> cello:will registering in this send me mass mails
[06:07] <infbliss> i already get too many mails
[06:10] <Jester54> anyone know now to make settings that i set in xvidtune stay after a reboot?
[06:11] <tetragon> Jester54: Edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[06:12] <cellofellow> infbliss: I never get email from launchpad
[06:12] <infbliss> cello:ok i will try
[06:12] <cellofellow> infbliss: I got an account a year ago to order ShipIt CD's with.
[06:12] <cellofellow> granted I am anything but active on Launchpad.
[06:12] <Jester54> tetragon, and put what in? mine has nothing about hsync
[06:13] <tetragon> Jester54: Add a modeline.  There's plenty of documentation about the process online
[06:15] <tetragon> Arg... The kernel options that worked on the installer aren't getting the installed kernel to boot
[06:21] <cellofellow> to or two?
[06:25] <cellofellow> you do know you can edit the boot options from the grub menu
[06:25] <tetragon> I know that
[06:25] <tetragon> I can't get it to boot without hanging
[06:25] <cellofellow> :(
[06:26] <tetragon> It looks like there's something strange about the pci bus used and the kernel version
[06:27] <cellofellow> I suggest building a custom kernel as soon as you can.
[06:27] <tetragon> Not to mention that it doesn't like grub using UUIDs
[06:28] <cellofellow> I never use UUIDs in GRUB, just fstab.
[06:28] <cellofellow> actually, never mind, I do use UUIDs.
[06:28] <tetragon> The 7.04 installer uses UUIDs
[06:28] <cellofellow> I just use update-grub and have done with it.
[06:29] <tetragon> At this point it hangs right after outputting [   75.929495]  hda: max request size: 128KiB
[06:33] <yotux> What do you guys recommend for spam handling?
[06:33] <cellofellow> tetragon: a lot
[06:34] <cellofellow> tetragon: at least the alt cd kernel will be very minimal. Live CD won't be different really.
[06:34] <cellofellow> Won't work different anyway.
[06:35] <Jester45> should not work differently
[06:36] <Jester45> a bit swaped here or there during the burn might make it weird
[06:38] <tetragon> Jester45: I verify all my burns
[06:38] <Jester45> ok
[06:39] <tetragon> Anyhow, I've put my copy of DSL back in as it boots without any difficulty
[06:39] <Jester45> it still might act diffrently
[06:39] <cellofellow> well, with a kernel from Potato...
[06:40] <tetragon> Potato never had 2.4.26
[06:40] <tetragon> Potato had a 2.2 kernel
[06:40] <cellofellow> or Woody.
[06:41] <tetragon> However Xubuntu does not have the correct set of support modules for a 2.4 kernel, or even an older 2.6
[06:41] <tetragon> However, as DSL is running, I now have lspci output
[06:45] <tetragon> So, going by the output, this Thinkpad appears to be based off of some ALi chipset
[06:57] <tetragon> So, right now it hangs part of the way through displaying disk information
[07:27] <Wizard> ekhm.. i booted livecd, and i see that polish language is unsupported by default..
[07:28] <Wizard> it is possible to install it later, right ?
[07:34] <Jester45> i would think
[07:46] <Wizard> omg, installer found my debian installation and asked if i want to import user accouts :)
[07:48] <Wizard> nice feature
[07:51] <Wizard> installer crashed :/
[08:09] <tonyyarusso> tetragon: No!  Thinkpads are great!
[08:09] <tonyyarusso> (except for ati graphics)
[08:09] <Jester45> idk why people keep saying ati sucks
[08:09] <Jester45> its the only kind i use and they work great
[08:10] <tonyyarusso> b/c we have cards that induce hard lockups on a regular basis, most recently resulting in the corruption of my GPG secret key.
[08:10] <Jester45> what card
[08:11] <Wizard> ati cards are pretty nice
[08:11] <tonyyarusso> X300
[08:12] <Jester45> i got a bunch of 9250's
[08:12] <Wizard> but ati does not support linux almost at all
[08:12] <Wizard> not to mention other nixes
[08:12] <Wizard> so.. unix geeks does not like ati
[08:13] <Jester45> they work just fine for beryl and games only some of the more insensive graphics games slowdown on them
[08:13] <Wizard> under linux..
[08:13] <Wizard> but imagine solaris or openbsd running under vesa mode..
[08:13] <tetragon> tonyyarusso: This Thinkpad doesn't like booting 7.04 kernels
[08:14] <Jester45> but accouse since i have bunches i have multi card/headed displays
[08:14] <tonyyarusso> Beryl/Compiz has _finally_ gotten to the point where my card sometimes works; other times it will crash, effects or not.
[08:14] <tonyyarusso> tetragon: sad
[08:14] <tetragon> tonyyarusso: And I got OOM kills while installing the Gutsy kernel in rescue mode
[08:14] <tetragon> It boots DSL just fine
[08:16] <tetragon> One of the processes it hit was dpkg
[08:56] <Wizard> omg, it works :)
[08:56] <tetragon> Wizard: You're doing better than I am.  I'm still trying to get a kernel to boot my install
[08:57] <Wizard> hehe
[08:57] <Wizard> i compiled my custom kernel
[08:57] <tetragon> I was getting OOM kills while installing a newer kernel
[08:57] <Wizard> oom ?
[08:58] <tetragon> Out Of Memory
[08:58] <Wizard> 'Twj system jest w peni zaktualizowany' :D
[08:58] <Wizard> great
[09:00] <tetragon> Hrm... I've seen reports that this laptop will work with 2.6.15 (but nothing newer)
[09:02] <Wizard> than.. compile 2.6.15
[09:02] <tetragon> Not necessarily that simple
[09:03] <Wizard> why ?
[09:03] <tetragon> I may be able to get away with using the 6.06 kernel, but I may run into issues with udev
[09:03] <Wizard> ah, right..
[09:03] <Wizard> i forgot about that
[09:03] <Wizard> but you can also use static /dev
[09:03] <Wizard> without udev
[09:04] <tetragon> However, I don't know what devices the laptop's user will end up attaching
[09:05] <tetragon> Anyway, I'll deal with this in the morning.  I really don't want to be playing disk swap at 03:00
[09:06] <Wizard> 
[09:06] <Wizard> omg, it works
[09:06] <Wizard> !   :)
[09:06] <Wizard> great
[09:07] <Wizard> that's the first system where input methods worked without any difficult combinations :)
[09:07] <xjkx> how do i create workspaces?
[09:10] <hyper_ch> xjkx: Start --> Settings --> Workspace Settings
[09:11] <xjkx> Thanks
[09:11] <Wizard> hmm
[09:12] <Wizard> i'm starting to like that distro :)
[09:12] <hyper_ch> Wizard: why?
[09:13] <Wizard> everything works as i expected
[09:13] <Wizard> and it's very light
[09:15] <hyper_ch> there are lighter desktops
[09:15] <Wizard> i know, i could install gentoo with fluxbox..
[09:15] <hyper_ch> or ubuntu with fluxbox
[09:15] <hyper_ch> or dsl
[09:15] <Wizard> or freebsd with icewm
[09:16] <Wizard> or anything with anywm
[09:16] <hyper_ch> ;)
[09:18] <Wizard> hmm
[09:18] <Wizard> but why the hell gaim does not want to connect with my jabber server while psi works great ?
[09:20] <hyper_ch> I don't have gaim
[09:20] <Wizard> me too, now :
[09:20] <Wizard> :P
[09:21] <hyper_ch> I'm still looking for some kind of tool that will handle copied data from an application just as in windows... so that you don't loose the content when you close the original data but it stays in the clipboard
[09:23] <Wizard> hyper_ch: klipper
[09:23] <xor> anyone know how i can make items deleted from xfce's desktop go to ~/.Trash instead of trash:///
[09:23] <xor> ?
[09:23] <Wizard> or xfce-clipboard-manager
[09:23] <Wizard> aww, exaile does not play mp3 :/
[09:24] <Wizard> nor any other app :/
[09:24] <Wizard> what the fsck ?
[09:25] <hyper_ch> Wizard: you need to get the codecs
[09:26] <hyper_ch> or try vlc
[09:26] <Wizard> hmm..
[09:26] <Wizard> how? with apt ?
[09:26] <hyper_ch> the codecs or vlc?
[09:26] <Wizard> codecs
[09:26] <Wizard> for amaro/exaile
[09:27] <Wizard> xine/whatever
[09:27] <Wizard> :P
[09:27] <hyper_ch> (1) Add medibuntu Repos
[09:27] <Wizard> *khm*
[09:27] <hyper_ch> http://medibuntu.sos-sts.com/repository.php
[09:28] <hyper_ch> Wizard: then run this... or most of it:    aptitude -y install libdvdcss2 gstreamer0.10-ffmpeg gstreamer0.10-pitfdll gstreamer0.10-plugins-bad gstreamer0.10-plugins-bad-multiverse gstreamer0.10-plugins-ugly gstreamer0.10-plugins-ugly-multiverse gxine libxine-main1 libxine-extracodecs ogle ogle-gui w32codecs mplayer
[09:30] <Wizard> hmm
[09:31] <hyper_ch> Wizard: ?
[09:32] <Wizard> i remember when i had simmilar problem under gentoo :)
[09:32] <hyper_ch> gentoo is too complicated ;)
[09:32] <Wizard> a had to add 'mp3' use flag, and after doing this it asked me if it may rebuild half of my system :)
[09:32] <Wizard> and i rebiult :P
[09:33] <Wizard> it took 6 hours
[09:33] <Wizard> after that i've decided to switch to binary distor
[09:33] <Wizard> distro*
[09:33] <hyper_ch> apt is a nice package manager ;)
[09:34] <Wizard> i knoe
[09:34] <Wizard> i uesed debian for a long time
[09:34] <Wizard> but it got on my nerves because of very old packages
[09:35] <Wizard> so i've decided to switch to ubuntu and i choose xubuntu
[09:35] <xor> xubuntu is great
[09:35] <xor> i've finally settled down
[09:35] <hyper_ch> debian is great for servers
[09:35] <hyper_ch> as it is just rockstable ;)
[09:35] <Wizard> imo: any linux is not even worth a shit to install on server
[09:36] <xor> whoa
[09:36] <xor> why you say? :P
[09:36] <Wizard> linux is poor, wastes resources and run like a shit on cheavily loaded server
[09:36] <xor> ....
[09:36] <hyper_ch> xor: I guess he uses *bsd
[09:36] <Wizard> no matter if it is 2.4 or 2.6
[09:36] <Wizard> of course ;)
[09:36] <hyper_ch> Wizard: if linux is that bad... how bad is then windows at servers? ;)
[09:36] <Wizard> lol
[09:36] <xor> linux is hardly shit as a server though ;)
[09:37] <xor> bsd is better
[09:37] <xor> but..
[09:37] <hyper_ch> bsd is too complicated for my simple brain
[09:37] <Wizard> windows on server?
[09:37] <Wizard> who is so crazy to set up such shit
[09:37] <xor> where i work, 80 servers
[09:37] <xor> 78 are CentOS
[09:37] <xor> 2 are windows
[09:37] <xor> we do just fine
[09:37] <hyper_ch> there are now more IIS installs than apache according to netcraft
[09:38] <Wizard> at my company everything runs on redhat and pld.. and most www servers ar atg dynamo :/
[09:38] <hyper_ch> sorry, my mistake
[09:39] <Wizard> and some on tomcat
[09:39] <hyper_ch> --> Obviously there are quite a few windows servers:    http://news.netcraft.com/archives/2007/08/06/august_2007_web_server_survey.html
[09:42] <IAmWill> i am trying to pull emerald, but it depends on libwnck18 which isnt installable. How do I make libwnck18 installable so I can get emerald?
[09:43] <hyper_ch> IAmWill: hmmm, why isn't libwnck18 installable?
[09:43] <IAmWill> i am quessing because libwnck22 is installed
[09:44] <hyper_ch> IAmWill: well, I can hardly guess anything without the exact error message
[09:44] <IAmWill> let me do it in term and pastebin it to you then
[09:44] <Wizard> /dev/sda1             8,5G  8,3G  257M  98% /
[09:45] <Wizard> lol
[09:45] <Wizard> *light* distro
[09:45] <Wizard> what tha fuck is going on?!
[09:45] <hyper_ch> Wizard: it is light ;)
[09:45] <hyper_ch> Wizard: check your folders:   cd /
[09:45] <hyper_ch> Wizard: du > output.txt
[09:45] <IAmWill> Wizard, when was the last time you rebooted?
[09:46] <IAmWill> Wizard, my logs sometimes get full when its been like 6 - 8 weeks
[09:46] <Wizard> i installed xubuntu 2 hours ago!
[09:46] <IAmWill> haha
[09:46] <IAmWill> nevermind
[09:47] <Wizard> ahh.. fuck that
[09:47] <IAmWill> hyper_ch,  http://pastebin.com/m78d96a2c
[09:47] <Wizard> i don't even konw what hapened :/
[09:48] <xor> IAmWill: can you downgrade through synaptic?
[09:48] <IAmWill> xor, i dont know how... i am fairly new to this ubuntu shit
[09:49] <IAmWill> i am a gentoo'er, but put unbuntu on the lappy for simplicity
[09:49] <IAmWill> if i could emerge, we would be set
[09:49] <hyper_ch> well, I have libwnck18 available in my cache
[09:50] <hyper_ch> however in what repo it is - no clue
[09:50] <IAmWill> hrm
[09:50] <IAmWill> is there a way to pull with no dependencies?
[09:50] <IAmWill> opbviously it has what it needs, just a later version
[09:51] <hyper_ch> http://packages.ubuntu.com/cgi-bin/download.pl?arch=i386&file=pool%2Fmain%2Flibw%2Flibwnck%2Flibwnck18_2.18.0-0ubuntu1_i386.deb&md5sum=ed4092e812de15cee221146b6fbe4eab&arch=i386&type=main
[09:51] <xor> you can try apt-get -f install
[09:51] <xor> to force completion
[09:52] <IAmWill> nope, no force
[09:53] <xor> hm
[09:55] <xor> any reason you need the latest version installed?
[09:55] <IAmWill> is there a way to pick from an older repo?
[09:55] <IAmWill> xor, no
[09:55] <IAmWill> i just removed libwnck
[09:55] <xor> either apt-get remove it and install 18
[09:55] <xor> or see if synaptic can force version 18
[09:56] <IAmWill> how to i install 18?
[09:56] <IAmWill> like... calling a specific package
[09:56] <xor> seems to be available to me
[09:56] <xor> sudo apt-get install libwnck18
[09:56] <hyper_ch> aot-get install libwnck18
[09:57] <xor> or remove it and let emerald install it as a dependency
[09:57] <IAmWill> This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
[09:57] <IAmWill> is only available from another source
[09:57] <IAmWill> E: Package libwnck18 has no installation candidate
[09:58] <xor> maybe libwnck-dev
[09:58] <xor> i'd try installing emerald w/ it not installed first
[09:58] <IAmWill> same errors
[09:58] <xor> weak
[09:59] <IAmWill> heh
[10:01] <xor> are you just trying to apt-get install emerald?
[10:01] <IAmWill> xor, yeah
[10:03] <IAmWill> well, it is late, so i a m calling it one... i will come back tomorrow and try again
[10:03] <IAmWill> thanks for the help guys
[10:03] <xor> alright.. gl
[10:03] <IAmWill> tks
[10:04] <IAmWill> one other quick question.... in gentoo we have netscape-flash for our browsers.... what is the flash package for ubuntu?
[10:05] <xor> flashplugin-nonfree?
[10:05] <xor> i think
[10:06] <IAmWill> thanks
[10:06] <xor> i think i installed a later version from adobe's website
[10:07] <xor> that from the repos should get you there though
[10:07] <IAmWill> kk, i appreciate it
[10:08] <xor> np
[10:08] <xor> hope you stay w/ xubuntu ;)
[10:08] <xor> it's the best compromise i've found
[10:08] <IAmWill> its better than kubuntu
[10:08] <xor> oh definitely
[10:08] <xor> i am not a kde fan at all, though
[10:08] <IAmWill> i run xfce4 on my desktop (in gentoo) and love it
[10:09] <IAmWill> i would have gentoo on here too but, its such a pain to get everything working for laptops
[10:09] <IAmWill> i loved the 15 minute install, and 20 minutes later my video/ wifi is working
[10:09] <xor> exactly
[10:10] <IAmWill> gentoo.... after 3 days on this bitch.... i gave up
[10:10] <xor> yeah..
[10:10] <xor> i had gentoo on a really old desktop
[10:10] <IAmWill> the downfall is the security sacrifice
[10:10] <xor> trying to squeeze everything i could out of it
[10:10] <IAmWill> i dont like the root terminal right out of grub boot (in the safe mode)
[10:11] <IAmWill> and sudo is such a pain, but i can adjust
[10:11] <xor> yea, you get used to it fast
[10:11] <IAmWill> i catch myself running sudo su a lot
[10:11] <xor> you can set a root pw and use su
[10:11] <xor> lol
[10:11] <IAmWill> yeah..i might do that
[10:11] <xor> but if you like xfce
[10:12] <xor> i think this is the best
[10:12] <xor> arch would be my only other to suggest
[10:12] <xor> but you won't get up and running in 30 minutes with that
[10:12] <IAmWill> nope
[10:12] <IAmWill> my all time fave is e17
[10:12] <IAmWill> but its too much for a day-to-day running
[10:13] <IAmWill> maybe when i was a teenager, that would have been great, but now I dont have time to run that desktop
[10:13] <xor> *nod*
[10:13] <IAmWill> well, i have to get to bed... its 3 in the morning
[10:14] <xor> ugh, yeah it is here too
[10:14] <IAmWill> wife is probably going to bitch at me tomorrow
[10:14] <xor> see you around
[10:14] <xor> hehehe
[10:14] <IAmWill> =)
[10:14] <IAmWill> have a good one
[10:14] <xor> you too
[11:06] <thyko> how do i connect to WPA wireless network? The network thingi is only giving me the option to use WEP
[11:10] <hyper_ch> !wpa | thyko
[11:10] <ubotu> thyko: Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[11:12] <kekk> hyper_ch, can you ping 89.219.17.30?
[11:12] <kekk> or anybody else?
[11:12] <hyper_ch> PING 89.219.17.30 (89.219.17.30) 56(84) bytes of data.
[11:12] <hyper_ch> --- 89.219.17.30 ping statistics ---
[11:12] <hyper_ch> 5 packets transmitted, 0 received, 100% packet loss, time 4010ms
[11:13] <kekk> thank you
[11:29] <Merchelo> hmm, i should set up some sort of reverse dns
[11:39] <ashnur> hi
[11:39] <ashnur> anyone have a hint for this pls? http://pastebin.com/m3368f5e1
[11:53] <ashnur> no one? :(
[11:53] <ashnur> :-<
[11:55] <Dragonchaser] |[> ashnur: install a mathing driver for your graphiccard
[11:56] <ashnur> Dragonchaser] |[, the driver works perfectly, i had the same graphics card driver and sam config with ubuntu tribe 4 and composite and compiz were working perfectly
[11:57] <ashnur> and i pasted  the xorg log and glxinfo where you can see that everything seems  to be ok, as far as I know. if i'm wrong about pls point me  the line where it sayst :|
[12:03] <Dragonchaser] |[> ashnur: as far as i can see, compiz can't find any driver
[12:04] <ashnur> ?
[12:05] <Dragonchaser] |[> see output of the compiz --replace command
[12:05] <ashnur> i see but i do not understand
[12:06] <Dragonchaser] |[> ashnur: i've never used compiz, but try to install xgl extensions
[12:06] <ashnur> i do n't know why it is searching for xgl and nvidia
[12:07] <ashnur> eh, then I should install fglrx and xgl which are less compatible with my graphics card
[12:07] <Dragonchaser] |[> afaik, it always searches for the first matching driver
[12:07] <ashnur> matching with what?
[12:07] <Dragonchaser] |[> a driver it can run on
[12:08] <s-x-u> Dragonchaser] |[: hey how are you doing with your harddrive problem
[12:09] <Dragonchaser] |[> s-x-u: well, i just woke up, won't touch it until i had a large pot of coffee :)
[12:09] <s-x-u> what time is it overthere ?
[12:09] <Dragonchaser] |[> s-x-u: do you know if there is a way of disabling udev in xubuntu with a kernel parameter?
[12:09] <Dragonchaser] |[> s-x-u: 12:00
[12:10] <s-x-u> so you are late out of bed ....:)
[12:10] <Dragonchaser] |[> s-x-u: hey it's saturday :)
[12:10] <Dragonchaser] |[> brbr making coffee...
[12:10] <s-x-u> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BootOptions
[12:10] <Dragonchaser] |[> maybe i can override the problem using a static /dev
[12:20] <s-x-u> maybe boot from usb-stick to look at the hd how it looks after install with some vague tool
[12:22] <Dragonchaser] |[> s-x-u: arg! trivial.... really trivial
[12:22] <Dragonchaser] |[> s-x-u: kernel option noapic....
[12:22] <Dragonchaser] |[> darn siemens crap!
[12:24] <s-x-u> ? explain that in english for non native speakers :-/
[12:24] <Dragonchaser] |[> the pc i have is a fujitsu siemens pc
[12:24] <Dragonchaser] |[> and this thing seems to have some real strange hardware
[12:24] <Dragonchaser] |[> crap == shit
[12:25] <Dragonchaser] |[> no i just need to get my networking card to work
[12:26] <s-x-u> why
[12:27] <Dragonchaser] |[> well, btw... after reboot network works too
[12:28] <s-x-u> so you are booted now ? no grubshell
[12:28] <Dragonchaser] |[> no
[12:28] <Dragonchaser] |[> xfce running
[12:28] <s-x-u> so you passed the problem
[12:29] <Dragonchaser] |[> well network not yet
[12:30] <Dragonchaser] |[> but now
[12:30] <Dragonchaser] |[> :)
[12:30] <s-x-u> shout out ! it works !!!!!
[12:31] <s-x-u> realtek ....
[12:31] <Dragonchaser] |[> wahooooo :)
[12:32] <Dragonchaser] |[> well i was always happy with my realtek cards...
[12:32] <s-x-u> http://www.pcpro.co.uk/news/123359/linux-felon-must-learn-to-love-windows.html this is fun to read
[12:36] <Dragonchaser] |[> s-x-u: ouch...
[12:38] <Dragonchaser] |[> s-x-u: last time reinstall xubuntu brings to much things i don't need in basic install
[12:38] <Dragonchaser] |[> making command line one with xdm and such..
[12:39] <s-x-u> are you sure it works for now but .... :-D
[12:39] <Dragonchaser] |[> well lets see :)
[12:39] <Dragonchaser] |[> s-x-u: no pain no gain you know...
[12:40] <s-x-u> but you are right the basic install is a bit too much stuff i also  dont like
[12:41] <Dragonchaser] |[> i like it cause i can customize my system for my needs
[12:41] <Dragonchaser] |[> wow... with the bootoption he even discovers network card whilst installing
[12:41] <s-x-u> so next pc install you look first fo the boot options ?
[12:41] <Dragonchaser] |[> jup
[12:42] <s-x-u> hihi
[12:43] <Dragonchaser] |[> nolapic is a option i will keep in mind... forever
[12:45] <Dragonchaser] |[> well why the hell do i have to connections to freenode...
[12:45] <Dragonchaser] |[> brbr
[12:45] <s-x-u> i use the back of a notebook as mousepad full of commands written down
[12:45] <Dragonchaser> ree
[12:47] <kekk> s-x-u, I use the same thing. very good I think
[12:48] <s-x-u> my laser mouse does not work with a normal mousepad
[12:48] <Dragonchaser> s-x-u: *g* i had a collegue at work who complained that his mouse wasn't working
[12:49] <Dragonchaser> he wanted to use lasermouse on a glas table
[12:49] <s-x-u> it should work if you scratch the under/down/below side
[12:50] <Dragonchaser> *g* well......
[12:50] <s-x-u> hehehe
[12:50] <Dragonchaser> i guess my boss would have killed him
[12:50] <Dragonchaser> .... and btw... administrating a m$ sbs is a real pain in the ass...
[12:52] <s-x-u> i dont wat is that ms sbs ?
[12:53] <Dragonchaser> microsoft small business server
[12:53] <s-x-u> never worked with maybe in the future
[12:53] <Dragonchaser> give gates no chance .)
[12:53] <s-x-u> is it with a gui ?
[12:54] <Dragonchaser> yes....
[12:54] <s-x-u> oh .... no problem i can click a mouse ... grin
[12:55] <s-x-u> gates is a nice man he give us a pc so we can install linux very good
[12:56] <Dragonchaser> hihi
[12:57] <Dragonchaser> well, sbs has only the option to configure with mouse
[12:57] <Dragonchaser> and the options a really hard to find
[12:57] <Dragonchaser> its like looking for easter eggs in a sea of quicksilver...
[12:57] <s-x-u> yes there is a kind of policy system for changing settings am i right ?
[12:58] <Dragonchaser> jup
[12:59] <Dragonchaser> s-x-u: btw, installation works :)
[12:59] <s-x-u> i have tried it on anormal winxp install but i couldnt under stand how it works you need to buy the book from ms ...
[12:59] <s-x-u> hurraaaah
[01:00] <s-x-u> Dragonchaser: great job
[01:00] <Dragonchaser> *g* well its easy to install but its a pain in the ass, getting rid of it if you have an company where no one wants to learn a better os
[01:01] <hyper_ch> In a world without walls and fences, who needs Windows and Gates?
[01:01] <s-x-u> well im a worker in metal industry im working on a cnc punchpress with win95 in it !
[01:02] <Dragonchaser> well win95 was a good system.... as long as you weren't forced to use it
[01:02] <s-x-u> really the special control software is proprietary so ther no way to change to linux
[01:03] <s-x-u> i load programs with floppy on the machine if it ever happens that there is avire on onee of them ...
[01:04] <Dragonchaser> hehe...
[01:04] <s-x-u> virus*
[01:04] <Dragonchaser> and i guess the machine is to slow to run a current antivir?
[01:05] <s-x-u> well it also very old hardware dual processor 486
[01:05] <Dragonchaser> dual 486... cooool
[01:05] <Dragonchaser> never saw such a machine...
[01:06] <s-x-u> where are you from ?
[01:06] <Dragonchaser> germany
[01:06] <Dragonchaser> u?
[01:07] <hyper_ch> iiiiieeekks.... Germans ;)
[01:07] <s-x-u> www.trumpf.de example not my machine
[01:07] <Dragonchaser> hyper_ch: just calm down or we'll start wwIII :P
[01:08] <s-x-u> section punching
[01:08] <s-x-u> im from holland
[01:08] <hyper_ch> I'm not worried about it... you have never invaded the small, prosperous and peaceful country south of you in any WW ;)
[01:08] <Dragonchaser> *g*
[01:08] <s-x-u> so neighbours :-)
[01:09] <Dragonchaser> well, when it happens, give me a call, then i'll free you with my 3-men-liberation army
[01:10] <s-x-u> ich bin hollander und spreche nicht gut deutch
[01:10] <Dragonchaser> hyper_ch: well, definitly...
[01:11] <s-x-u> already taken a look on the trumpf
[01:11] <Dragonchaser> hyper_ch: german economy is totally f***ed up
[01:11] <Dragonchaser> s-x-u: well give me a sec, it takes ages to load a firefox on a p2-233
[01:11] <s-x-u> hahaha
[01:11] <hyper_ch> well, on the news it was that there won't be any more deficit for this year
[01:12] <Dragonchaser> sure.... and the weather forecaster said there would be snow in hell these days
[01:12] <s-x-u> hyper_ch: in wich country was that news ?
[01:12] <hyper_ch> Switzerland... I think it was in the NZZ
[01:13] <s-x-u> country of the knifes and watches
[01:13] <hyper_ch> and chocolate
[01:13] <hyper_ch> and cheese
[01:13] <Dragonchaser> pls, no cheese flamewars here :P
[01:13] <s-x-u> nono holland is the country of cheese
[01:14] <s-x-u> cheese head
[01:14] <Dragonchaser> crap xdm won't start
[01:14] <s-x-u> configured it  ?
[01:15] <Dragonchaser> well xorg runs, i can see the nvidia logo at startup
[01:15] <Dragonchaser> and afaik xdm should run ootb
[01:16] <s-x-u> type xdm
[01:17] <Dragonchaser> same like /etc/init.d/xdm start, shows up the nvidia logo a couple of times and then falls back to tty0
[01:18] <s-x-u> und can you start x without gdm
[01:18] <s-x-u> x...dm*
[01:18] <Dragonchaser> arg--- default fonts missing
[01:19] <s-x-u> i had the same issue when installing commandline system but i dont remember how i fixed it
[01:19] <Dragonchaser> apt-get install xfonts-75dpi
[01:20] <Dragonchaser> well no.. there is sth else missing
[01:20] <Dragonchaser> give me a sec
[01:20] <s-x-u> could or i deleted some links some where
[01:21] <s-x-u> read /var/log/Xorg.log
[01:23] <Dragonchaser> fixed fonts missing
[01:24] <s-x-u> try to remove all fontpath from xorg.conf
[01:30] <s-x-u> x-ttcidfont-conf
[01:30] <Dragonchaser> s-x-u: should have installed xfonts-base
[01:32] <s-x-u> now it works ?
[01:32] <Dragonchaser> jup
[01:32] <s-x-u> xdm also ?
[01:32] <Dragonchaser> jup
[01:32] <s-x-u> hurraah
[01:33] <Dragonchaser> i think i am going to dance :)
[01:33] <hyper_ch> go ahead
[01:33] <Dragonchaser> i think i am reainstalling my systems too seldom
[01:33] <Dragonchaser> i usually don't remember the easiest steps...
[01:33] <s-x-u> monkey dance ?
[01:33] <Dragonchaser> no the hokey pokey
[01:35] <s-x-u> write down the install
[01:35] <Dragonchaser> even hibernation seems to work
[01:35] <Dragonchaser> *g*
[01:35] <s-x-u> procedure
[01:38] <Dragonchaser> wow even beryl works
[01:38] <Dragonchaser> it just doesn't use my window decorations
[01:39] <s-x-u> emerald ...
[01:39] <Dragonchaser> in xfce?
[01:39] <s-x-u> why not ?
[01:40] <s-x-u> sudoku  apt-get install emerald
[01:40] <s-x-u> $ emerald --replace
[01:40] <hyper_ch> sudoku?
[01:40] <s-x-u> hahaha
[01:40] <hyper_ch> addict ;)
[01:42] <Dragonchaser> s-x-u: says: No GLXFBConfig for depth 32
[01:42] <s-x-u> set it 24 bit/pixel
[01:42] <s-x-u> or 16
[01:43] <s-x-u> as said yesterday evening im a noob
[01:43] <Dragonchaser> doesn't work
[01:44] <anderssons> Hi! How do I upgrade to tribe 4? WHy doesnt update-manager -d work?
[01:44] <s-x-u> you got error: doesnt work ?
[01:44] <s-x-u> anderssons: with sudo ?
[01:44] <anderssons> s-x-u: yes
[01:45] <Dragonchaser> s-x-u: same error as before
[01:45] <s-x-u> try to change repository list ?
[01:45] <anderssons> I get this in the terminal:
[01:45] <anderssons> warning: could not initiate dbus
[01:45] <anderssons> current dist not found in meta-release file
[01:45] <s-x-u> Dragonchaser: then i dont know
[01:46] <s-x-u> anderssons: you better ask this in #ubuntu+1 or some channel
[01:47] <s-x-u> Dragonchaser: look for/find a howto for emerald
[01:48] <anderssons>  s-x-u: ubuntu+1 or xubuntu+1?
[01:50] <s-x-u> anderssons: first one
[01:53] <Dragonchaser> s-x-u: just need to install ff
[01:59] <s-x-u> Dragonchaser: you better install lynx
[02:00] <s-x-u> no offending images :)
[02:00] <Dragonchaser> and what about p0rn?
[02:01] <s-x-u> you can read story is that enough
[02:01] <Dragonchaser> but i luv images :P
[02:01] <s-x-u> no you dont its discusting !
[02:02] <s-x-u> ;-)
[02:03] <Dragonchaser> note: do not try to hide porn on other screens when using a transparent cube with beryl
[02:03] <s-x-u> hahaha good one
[02:05] <Dragonchaser> cool no i can watch tv in mirror mode :P
[02:05] <s-x-u> i have daughter almost 4 weeks old much more fun thensome pron
[02:05] <Dragonchaser> well ok
[02:05] <Dragonchaser> how old r u?
[02:06] <s-x-u> displayconfig-gtk upsidedown left right //// i am 25
[02:07] <Dragonchaser> me to, till tomorrow
[02:07] <s-x-u> tomorrow you 26
[02:07] <s-x-u> ?
[02:07] <Dragonchaser> jup
[02:08] <s-x-u> feel old
[02:08] <Dragonchaser> i know.--
[02:09] <s-x-u> what is your daily job /
[02:11] <Dragonchaser> wholesalers assistant
[02:11] <s-x-u> what do you sell then ?
[02:12] <Dragonchaser> everything an electrician needs
[02:13] <s-x-u> ok thats nice ive studied electronics but i quit
[02:15] <s-x-u> im now thinking about studying system administration or some thing because of my bad back my current job is to much for it
[02:17] <Dragonchaser> well, sitting the whole day in a chair wont help much
[02:19] <s-x-u> steel sheets 4mX2mX3mm are more worse :)
[02:20] <Dragonchaser> well i can imagine
[02:28] <s-x-u> :)
[02:46] <jlehto> Hi all. I tried to do a small c program on my xubuntu system, but the gcc says it can't find the stdio.h file. What should I do?
[02:48] <predaeus> jlehto, did you install build-essential?
[02:50] <jlehto> predaeus, I have not  installed any gcc packets
[02:50] <jlehto> so am I missing header files?
[02:50] <predaeus> jlehto, probably
[02:51] <jlehto> synaptic says the gcc-3.3-base packet is installed. Doesn't it contain those headers?
[02:51] <predaeus> jlehto, the easiest approach would be to apt-get install build-essential, it gets you everything you need to start out with C/C++, if I recall correclty.
[02:51] <predaeus> I don't know. Look at the package info or dependencies to see what it installs.
[02:52] <predaeus> jlehto, for stdio.h you probably need libc-dev or something
[02:52] <predaeus> or glibc-dev
[02:57] <jlehto> Maybe i should try to install that build-essentials
[03:01] <jlehto> Wow! Now it works
[03:01] <orbit7> hi is there an easyer progam launcher? , gnome and kde let me pick a program from the menu , with xfce i have to manually find the icon and program
[03:02] <predaeus> orbit7, do you have /Accessories/Appfinder?
[03:03] <orbit7> no
[03:03] <predaeus> orbit7, check if you can install xfce4-appfinder    if not, then it will be added in gutsy.
[03:04] <orbit7> it's installed, checking the menu
[03:06] <orbit7> i meant when i add the program-launcher applet to a panel then i have to know the icon and program. the appfinder works fine
[03:07] <predaeus> ah, hm I don't know. Xfce probably does not provide that functionality yet.
[03:08] <orbit7> actually this is the only thing i mis in xfce, the rest in xfce is great/good enough. , well i can't have everything
[03:42] <danielig> hi folx
[03:44] <danielig> I have a problem getting the sound going
[03:45] <danielig> 00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801G (ICH7 Family) High Definition Audio Controller (rev 02)
[03:45] <danielig> tried to follow some walk-through from online
[03:46] <danielig> problem: compiling the alsa-driver.1.0.14 from source my gcc spits out problem:
[03:47] <danielig> checking for C compiler default output file name... configure: error: C compiler cannot create executables
[03:47] <danielig> See `config.log' for more details.
[03:47] <danielig> config.log pasted on: http://pastebin.ca/670159
[03:48] <danielig> sorry that I repeat this query here (also on #ubuntu) but I am actually a xubuntu user. build-essential and dev packages are installed
[03:59] <cheeseboy> how do i install network-admin?
[04:00] <hyper_ch> sudo aptitude install network-admin   maybe
[04:00] <cheeseboy> nope tried that
[04:01] <hyper_ch> and it resulted in?
[04:02] <cheeseboy> no such packge or w/e
[04:37] <Pumpernickel> !info network-manager | cheeseboy
[04:37] <ubotu> cheeseboy: network-manager: network management framework daemon. In component main, is optional. Version 0.6.4-6ubuntu7 (feisty), package size 234 kB, installed size 584 kB
[04:38] <cheeseboy> thnx Pumpernickel
[04:38] <laserbeak43> hey
[04:38] <laserbeak43> i added a PATH variable that i want to remove
[04:38] <laserbeak43> hhow do i do that?
[04:38] <laserbeak43> !$PATH
[04:38] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about path - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:39] <Pumpernickel> How did you add it?
[04:40] <laserbeak43> export PATH=/home/laserbeak43/Documents/source/boost_1_34_1/boost:${PATH}
[04:40] <laserbeak43> not realising
[04:40] <laserbeak43> that the installation would already send it to usr/share/
[04:41] <laserbeak43> the installation of the boost library from the configure.sh file already in the boost_1_34 directory
[04:42] <Pumpernickel> That should apply only in the terminal you ran the command.
[04:43] <Pumpernickel> Any other terminal processes will have only your default $PATH.
[04:44] <laserbeak43> lol
[04:44] <laserbeak43> i've been hoodwinked!
[04:44] <laserbeak43> and i'm happy about it!!
[04:44] <laserbeak43> :)
[04:44] <laserbeak43> thanks
[05:28] <CptAJ[vzla] > hey guys, lil help here. I just installed the xubuntu package (I had regular ubuntu). I got a few problems here and there though. First off, its using the wrong keyboard layout. I tried the keyboard settings but it completely ignores any change I make. ideas?
[05:28] <Jester45> did you do the keyboard settings while using ubuntu or xubuntu
[05:29] <CptAJ[vzla] > xubuntu
[05:29] <CptAJ[vzla] > Im in xubuntu right now
[05:29] <CptAJ[vzla] > ubuntu was properly configured before though, if thats what you mean
[05:30] <Dragonchaser> i had this problem a couple of months before, wasn't able to fix it :(
[05:30] <Jester45> well i dont know how to fix it
[05:31] <CptAJ[vzla] > (for the sake of clarity that should read "Im in xfce right now but gnome was properly configured before")
[05:31] <Jester45> and is ubuntu configured right now or is it messedup the same as xubuntu
[05:32] <CptAJ[vzla] > haven't checked... guess I'll go do that now
[05:33] <CptAJ[vzla] > working fine in gnome
[05:34] <Jester45> humm
[05:34] <Dragonchaser> *grmpf* i can't get beryl running properly
[05:34] <Dragonchaser> i have no window decorations
[05:34] <Dragonchaser> any hints?
[05:34] <Jester45> run emerald
[05:34] <Dragonchaser> (xfce4)
[05:34] <CptAJ[vzla] > gonna drop back into xfce
[05:34] <Dragonchaser> doesnt work
[05:35] <Jester45> but you do know that beryl is deprecated
[05:35] <Dragonchaser> emerald-themes, and emerald itsself is installed
[05:35] <Dragonchaser> i know
[05:35] <Dragonchaser> but compiz doens't feature the nice cube :)
[05:35] <Jester45> yes it does
[05:35] <Dragonchaser> hmmm
[05:36] <Jester45> compiz-fusion is the new version beryl and compiz joined together again
[05:36] <Dragonchaser> but compiz-fusion is not in the repository i think
[05:37] <Jester45> so it has compiz "backend" or the core (the engine part) and beryl's plugins
[05:37] <Dragonchaser> aha
[05:37] <Jester45> they have a repo for it
[05:37] <Jester45> its third party buts its good
[05:37] <Dragonchaser> well i should give it a try
[05:38] <CptAJ[vzla] > bummer. still no clue what could be wrong?
[05:38] <Jester45> there is even more plugins now
[05:39] <CptAJ[vzla] > hmm... maybe if I reboot...
[05:46] <CptAJ[vzla] > reboot fixed everything. go figure =/
[06:10] <hyper_ch> lol, M$ WGA Servers are acting up badly....
[06:10] <Slor> Hey folks - quick question:  I found the info on supporting my SB16 AWE32 ISA card (modprobe snd-sbawe ; modprobe snd-pcm-oss ; modprobe snd-mixer-oss ; modprobe snd-seq-oss).  Where is the most appropriate system file to put these commands?  Should they go in /etc/modules, somewhere in /etc/modprobe.d/, elsewhere?  Also, am I missing anything else?
[06:12] <hyper_ch> Slor: you want to have them auto-loaded?
[06:12] <Slor> yup
[06:12] <hyper_ch> then it's /etc/modules
[06:12] <Slor> Also, do I need all 4 of those modules?
[06:12] <Slor> It looks like there is similar stuff to the other 3 in alsa-base
[06:12] <hyper_ch> that is something you must know... now me ;)
[06:13] <hyper_ch> -w +t
[06:13] <Slor> ok, thanks.
[06:20] <Slor> oh, just a couple other things - does xfce always beep through the PC speaker at login even when the sound driver is loaded and functioning?
[06:21] <Slor> or perhaps I have a default to change somewhere
[06:22] <xjkx> i went to applications/system/sharing folders. Downloaded what it wanted me to, configured a folder to share. Now how do I access this folder that was shared?
[06:24] <Slor> And the other - anyone seen an issue where your mouse pointer will change to all black?  It doesn't go reset to normal until I go back to the login screen.
[06:25] <xjkx> Sorry. I had a network problem, if anyone answered the question above already, please copy and paste
[06:28] <jlehto> I have some problems with my C and x-86 code. Does anyone here happern to know good channel to ask help?
[06:28] <jlehto> *x86 assembly code
[06:29] <Slor> I might, if it's quick.
[06:29] <Slor> what's the issue?
[06:29] <Slor> xjkx - there was no answet
[06:30] <Slor> answert
[06:30] <hyper_ch> xjkx: how do you want to access it?
[06:30] <Slor> answer   grr
[06:30] <xjkx> hyper_ch: from a win98 machine :>
[06:30] <hyper_ch> xjkx: you konw how to use the terminal?
[06:31] <Slor> jlehto - pm me if you want.  I'll check back in a bit.
[06:31] <xjkx> Yes
[06:31] <hyper_ch> xjkx: you know what a pastebin is?
[06:31] <xjkx> Yes
[06:31] <hyper_ch> xjkx: pastebin /etc/samba/smb.conf
[06:32] <xjkx> Ok, but just so you know, i havent checked the other machine. If you think its supposed to be listed there, I'd go check, but will pastebin anyway
[06:33] <hyper_ch> xjkx: well, the sharing thing is done by samba and I tend to think there may not be any workgroup set yet
[06:33] <hyper_ch> xjkx: so with that config it's a lot simpler ;)
[06:33] <xjkx>  workgroup = Hello
[06:33] <xjkx> In that file :P
[06:33] <xjkx> Do I still need to pastebin?
[06:33] <hyper_ch> xjkx: and you have the same workgroup in your win98?
[06:34] <hyper_ch> xjkx: not for the moment then :)
[06:34] <xjkx> No, i know nothing about windows-networking-thing
[06:37] <shirish> hi all, has anybody filed a bug-report about the network-monitor not showing up/down traffic?
[06:38] <hyper_ch> xjkx: uff... win98... hmmm...   somewhere in the system settings
[06:38] <hyper_ch> !bug | shirish
[06:38] <ubotu> shirish: If you find a bug in Ubuntu or any of its derivatives, please file a bug report at: http://bugs.ubuntu.com/  -  Bugs in/wishes for the bots can be filed at http://launchpad.net/products/ubuntu-bots
[06:39] <shirish> hyper_ch: I am in launchpad, my query is has anybody filed a bug against that
[06:39] <hyper_ch> shirish: search whether anybody has filed that bug
[06:39] <xjkx> Will go there, after adding the workgroup Hello, am I done ? hyper_ch
[06:39] <neozen> good day all
[06:39] <hyper_ch> xjkx: well, you have to have the same workgroup
[06:39] <shirish> hyper_ch: also if I do file a bug, which package would it come under? Is there something like xubuntu-utils or which package would it be based on?
[06:39] <hyper_ch> xjkx: and you may need to add a user to samba
[06:40] <hyper_ch> xjkx: not sure if that is auto-done the way you setup samba
[06:40] <hyper_ch> shirish: no clue
[06:40] <hyper_ch> shirish: I don't use that
[06:40] <shirish> hyper_ch: This is panel > Add new Item > Network Monitor
[06:41] <shirish> hyper_ch: its a default thing & this happened in one of the updates, dunno which but in updates.
[06:41] <hyper_ch> shirish: no need for taht
[06:41] <xjkx> hyper_ch: it is :> then what, I have to add this user to win98 also?
[06:41] <hyper_ch> xjkx: no
[06:42] <hyper_ch> xjkx: you have to add an existing ubuntu system user to the samba allowed user file :)
[06:42] <hyper_ch> xjkx: if you see the samba shares in the network and try to access it from win98 you should be asked for username/pwd
[06:42] <shirish> hyper_ch: then under what package should I file the bug?
[06:42] <hyper_ch> xjkx: enter your current system user... if that is not working, you will first have to add a suer to samba
[06:42] <hyper_ch> shirish: I dunno
[06:43] <xjkx> Uhmm, will my printer be there?
[06:43] <hyper_ch> shirish: check your processes what the process name ist
[06:43] <hyper_ch> shirish: then do:   sudo apt-get install apt-file
[06:43] <hyper_ch> shirish: followed by   sudo apt-file update
[06:43] <hyper_ch> shirish: followed by   apt-file search  'process_name' and that will give you the package
[06:44] <hyper_ch> xjkx: I dunno... I never setup samba that way and my printer is networked through it's own network interface
[06:44] <xjkx> ipp ?
[06:44] <hyper_ch> tcp/ip
[06:44] <xjkx> o.o
[06:45] <hyper_ch> I've had a tcp/ip printer since '99
[06:45] <hyper_ch> first a xerox nc60 and now a xerox phaser 8400
[06:46] <shirish> hyper_ch: its the xfce4-netload-plugin in xfce4 panel-plugins ;)
[06:46] <hyper_ch> shirish: then you know what it now belongs to
[06:47] <shirish> hyper_ch: http://goodies.xfce.org/projects/panel-plugins/xfce4-netload-plugin
[06:47] <shirish> ;)
[06:48] <Wizard> hah, it works :D
[06:49] <hyper_ch> Wizard: good... what works?
[06:49] <Wizard> xubuntu
[06:49] <hyper_ch> Wizard: I know it works ;)
[06:49] <hyper_ch> Sysinfo for 'xubi': Linux 2.6.20-16-generic running Xfce 4.4.0, CPU: AMD Sempron 2400+ at 1683 MHz (3371 bogomips), HD: 717/1009GB, RAM: 997/1010MB, 169 proc's, 4.19d up
[06:49] <Wizard> i didn't even expect that
[06:50] <hyper_ch> Wizard: your expectations are low
[06:50] <Wizard> heh, maybr
[06:58] <xjkx> Dude, the desktop is listed ! but when I click, I have access denied, it doesnt ask me for a password
[07:02] <xjkx> ;   security = user (in that file, maybe security = no will not ask for password?)
[07:07] <xjkx> I commented the line :> now it asks for a password, not a user, I dont have a clue what password is :D
[07:09] <CptAJ[vzla] > question: when I go fullscreen in vlc the xfce panels stay on top of the fullscreen image. How do I make this not happen?
[07:15] <kb0rpj-wx> hey all finding a bit of a hard time getting samba to work
[07:15] <kb0rpj-wx> anyone can help?
[07:16] <kb0rpj-wx> when i try to connect to the linux box from windows.. it asks me for a username and password
[07:17] <kb0rpj-wx> i can't find any username and password that works
[07:18] <xjkx> kb0rpj-wx: same here
[07:27] <xjkx> http://www.pastebin.ca/670363
[07:43] <jlehto> I have some problems with my C and x-86 assemly code. Does anyone here happen to know good channel to ask help?
[07:49] <Slor> jlehto - what you need?
[07:49] <Jester45> help with his C and x-86 code
[07:49] <Slor> uh, yeah.  thanks
[07:49] <jlehto> I just tried to call assembly function from C code but it doesn't work
[07:50] <Jester45> welcome :)
[07:50] <Slor> link error?
[07:50] <Slor> pm me and i'll help you out.
[07:50] <jlehto> It says that there is undefined reference to that asm function
[07:52] <Slor> see you private message window
[07:53] <jlehto> It says private messages from unregistered users are blocked
[07:54] <Slor> ok, join #slor
[08:42] <slow-motion> hallo
[08:42] <Jester45> ollah
[08:43] <kekk> hai
[09:15] <xjkx> Where do i get new "user interface" themes for xfce?
[09:16] <Jester45> xfce-looks.org
[09:16] <Jester45> or maybe -look
[09:34] <xjkx> Thanks
[09:57] <Ben_Cs> hello
[09:57] <Jester45> olleh
[09:57] <Ben_Cs> anyone had a problem that xfce stopped running gnome apps?
[09:57] <laserbeak43> hmmm
[09:57] <laserbeak43> sometimes
[09:57] <laserbeak43> can't remember what though
[09:57] <Ben_Cs> like, when u run a gnome app, at best u get an empty stuck window
[09:58] <laserbeak43> last time i got a stuck window
[09:58] <laserbeak43> i needed to update a wx library
[09:59] <Ben_Cs> that bug made me to move to kde. so now i'm using kde, unless i find out about annoying bugs, and then i'll go back to xfce
[10:00] <Ben_Cs> the one thing about kde that annoys me is that it's too much annimated, for me at least.
[10:00] <laserbeak43> hmm
[10:00] <laserbeak43> kde and gnome are bloated
[10:01] <Ben_Cs> what does "bloated" mean?
[10:01] <laserbeak43> which is the only reason why i'm using xubuntu
[10:01] <laserbeak43> well
[10:01] <laserbeak43> i want speed
[10:01] <laserbeak43> even if i'm running a quad-core 8GHZ
[10:01] <laserbeak43> :P
[10:01] <laserbeak43> but anyway
[10:01] <laserbeak43> i
[10:01] <laserbeak43> too much file space and resources for a window manager
[10:02] <laserbeak43> but anyway
[10:02] <laserbeak43> what app are u having trouble with?
[10:02] <Ben_Cs> well, yeh. kde is slower than gnome, and gnome is slower then xfce. and i'll expect that xfce is slower then fluxbox and icewm...
[10:03] <Wizard> Ben_Cs: use twm
[10:03] <Wizard> :P
[10:03] <Wizard> or ratpoison
[10:04] <laserbeak43> ice_wm is pretty nice
[10:04] <Ben_Cs> wizard: they're ugly
[10:04] <Ben_Cs> fluxbox is nicest after xfce
[10:05] <Wizard> ugly..
[10:05] <Wizard> xfce looks nice because it uses gtk
[10:06] <Ben_Cs> wizard: and what's wrong with that?
[10:06] <Wizard> http://mati.7ds.pl/ubuntu1.png
[10:06] <Wizard> nothing :)
[10:06] <Wizard> gtk is very good toolkit
[10:08] <laserbeak43> man that is ugly
[10:08] <laserbeak43> looks like windows :P
[10:08] <Ben_Cs> i used fluxbuntu once (when had an old pc). it's very nice
[10:08] <Jester45> i only like fluxbox on DSL
[10:08] <laserbeak43> dont get me started with DSL
[10:09] <Ben_Cs> jester: try fluxbuntu
[10:09] <Jester45> fluxubuntu isnt a live cd is it?
[10:09] <Ben_Cs> laserbeak43: please do get started. i like dsl.
[10:09] <Ben_Cs> jester: livecd + install
[10:09] <laserbeak43> man i signed up for their forums and they accepted me a year later
[10:09] <laserbeak43> i was so pissed
[10:10] <laserbeak43> and the chat is always dead
[10:10] <Jester45> Ben_Cs, so its like the desktop cd i dont like that i just like DSL
[10:10] <laserbeak43> the 3 times i visited, theres just this guy there that hasnt installed it yet and he idles there to see people talk about it so he can decide wehter or not to use it. and he's been there for months :P
[10:10] <Jester45> laserbeak43, we are talking about the distro not the community
[10:11] <laserbeak43> that's my only prob with the distro
[10:11] <Ben_Cs> my prob with the distro is lack of support of newer hardware
[10:11] <laserbeak43> it is  a very nice distro, but hard to wrap my head around the whole thing
[10:11] <laserbeak43> Ben_Cs: havent even gotten far enough to see myself
[10:12] <Ben_Cs> what i like about fluxbuntu is that it's very light and speady, but has the newest kernel
[10:12] <laserbeak43> whats the url? fluxbuntu.org?
[10:14] <laserbeak43> no screenies? awww
[10:14] <Ben_Cs> yup
[10:14] <Ben_Cs> there are
[10:14] <Ben_Cs> http://fluxbuntu.org/en/node/3
[10:15] <Ben_Cs> there are url's of screens
[10:15] <Ben_Cs> see it?
[10:16] <Ben_Cs> here :   http://shots.fluxbuntu.org/nbuild1-rev2/
[10:17] <laserbeak43> yeah sorry i was browsing hte shots
[10:17] <laserbeak43> the
[10:17] <laserbeak43> not bad
[10:17] <laserbeak43> i could live with that
[10:18] <Ben_Cs> but i like xubuntu better though :)
[10:18] <laserbeak43> yeah i dont see a reason to leave xubuntu
[10:18] <laserbeak43> maybe i'll put that on one of my slower machines
[10:19] <Ben_Cs> do that. it's really nice desktop
[10:19] <Ben_Cs> worked nice on PII 233mhz
[10:21] <laserbeak43> cool
[10:21] <laserbeak43> yeah i'm diggin up an old one i've been meaning to give to my son so he can mash it up and learn
[10:23] <Ben_Cs> i think for best experience fluxbuntu needs pII 300mhz or faster
[10:24] <Ben_Cs> BTW who developed the linux kernel? linus?
[10:25] <TheSheep> Ben_Cs: a whole lot of very bright people
[10:28] <Ben_Cs> i wonder who developes it today
[10:28] <Ben_Cs> any specific company?
[10:29] <Jester45> Ben_Cs, no company but a community
[10:29] <Jester45> but linus developed the first versions
[10:29] <TheSheep> and linus still organises and coordinates everything
[10:29] <Jester45> then someone else took over and now there is a diffrent guy that is heading the development
[10:29] <Ben_Cs> jester: u mean people who do it in their spair time?
[10:29] <TheSheep> err... it's Linus :)
[10:29] <TheSheep> that's a name
[10:30] <Jester45> Ben_Cs, thats how allmost all of open source software is
[10:30] <TheSheep> Ben_Cs: some get paid for doing it
[10:30] <Jester45> Ben_Cs, im donating my time right now in a help channel others find bugs and fix them or say that its not a bug
[10:31] <Jester45> others do the coding others organize some donate server's bandwidth
[10:31] <TheSheep> gannahafta get a tshirt that reads "it's a feature" ;)
[10:31] <Jester45> :)
[10:32] <Jester45> i donate 2 servers and bandwidth to help the Tor network
[10:33] <Jester45> a lot of people donate server bandwidth and storage space so ubuntu can have a lot of mirrors and the main server can be faster because everone isnt downloading from them
[10:33] <Ben_Cs> tor is open source?
[10:33] <Jester45> yes
[10:33] <Ben_Cs> jester: then it's easy to breech the security 'cause it's open source
[10:34] <Jester45>  no its not
[10:34] <Jester45> because if you can find a breach others can also
[10:34] <TheSheep> actually most any useful advanced program out there is open source -- not always free, but always open source -- because when you buy it, you want to have control over the code
[10:34] <Jester45> Ben_Cs, you do know ubuntu is open source also
[10:34] <Ben_Cs> jester: ofcourse
[10:35] <Jester45> if a bad guy can find a problem im sure the 100 people working on it will find it before they release it
[10:35] <Jester45> andif not then a user might find a bug and tell the devels about it
[10:36] <Ben_Cs> jester: but most powerfull unix's like Solaris isn't opensource (yeh i know they realeased opensolaris lately, but it's not exactly the same as solaris)
[10:36] <Jester45> so... BSD and linux arent powerfull?
[10:36] <laserbeak43> why is it that if u download something on windows it's slow as hell
[10:36] <laserbeak43> but if u download it on linux it's blazing fast?
[10:36] <laserbeak43> ipv6?
[10:37] <Ben_Cs> jester: BSD yes. linux- less
[10:37] <TheSheep> laserbeak43: solaris is not free, but is opensource
[10:37] <Jester45> well BSD is open
[10:37] <TheSheep> laserbeak43: at least to some degree
[10:37] <Ben_Cs> freeBSD is open
[10:37] <laserbeak43> solaris?
[10:37] <Jester45> Ben_Cs, plus dont you think closed source is more of a problem
[10:37] <laserbeak43> i didnt say anything about solaris
[10:38] <Jester45> laserbeak43, i think TheSheep meant to say that to Ben_Cs
[10:38] <laserbeak43> :)
[10:38] <TheSheep> laserbeak43: right
[10:39] <Ben_Cs> jester: closed source does'nt contribute to community but it's harder to hack it
[10:39] <laserbeak43> but anyone know why downloads on windows is so slow compared to linux?
[10:39] <Jester45> Ben_Cs, think about installing  a program but... you dont know what it does
[10:39] <Ben_Cs> but on the other hand. more people can fix hack ports if it's open source
[10:39] <TheSheep> Ben_Cs: not really security by obscurity is generally a bad idea
[10:40] <TheSheep> Ben_Cs: sooner or later someone will hit the bug, on purpose or not
[10:40] <TheSheep> Ben_Cs: better to fix them than to hide them
[10:40] <Ben_Cs> laserbeak: didn't notice much difference
[10:40] <Jester45> Ben_Cs, the person that is giving you it says that it does X feature but once you run it you find out that is does X+Y+a few backdoors
[10:40] <laserbeak43> it's always way faster for me
[10:41] <laserbeak43> sometimes twice as fast
[10:41] <Ben_Cs> laserbeak: in general winblows is slower then linux
[10:41] <laserbeak43> lol
[10:41] <Ben_Cs> but didn't notice much difference in file transfer
[10:42] <Jester45> like MS's directx 9.0c offline installer still tries to connect to the internet but why? its an "offline" installers why should it try to connect thats just a waste of code and resources
[10:42] <laserbeak43> sometimes if i know i'm downloading a big file
[10:42] <laserbeak43> i'll log into linux just to get it
[10:42] <Jester45> now if it was a online installer i would understand that
[10:42] <laserbeak43> hehe
[10:42] <Jester45> laserbeak43, what are you using to download
[10:42] <laserbeak43> spyware
[10:42] <Ben_Cs> jester: you're right about that.
[10:42] <laserbeak43> firefox
[10:43] <Jester45> same site?
[10:43] <Jester45> and same computer
[10:43] <laserbeak43> yeah
[10:43] <laserbeak43> same everything
[10:43] <Ben_Cs> jester: but maybe it is kinda spyware. it's trying to send info about your pc
[10:44] <laserbeak43> and it's always faster
[10:44] <laserbeak43> websites load faster
[10:44] <laserbeak43> everything
[10:44] <Jester45> wait
[10:44] <laserbeak43> been noticing the diff for years
[10:44] <Jester45> nevermind
[10:44] <laserbeak43> is it ipv6 or something?
[10:44] <Ben_Cs> laserbeak: u use winxp?
[10:45] <Jester45> Ben_Cs, but if it was opensource people using it would say why does it connect to the internet to install with an offline installer
[10:45] <laserbeak43> yeah there are still apps i have to use there(my favorite music sequencer, school apps etc)
[10:46] <Ben_Cs> laserbeak: i use XP only for games or when i download an .mdf file. (mdf is Alcohol 120% file)
[10:46] <laserbeak43> hehe
[10:46] <laserbeak43> yeah and the games
[10:46] <laserbeak43> how could i forget
[10:46] <laserbeak43> i play warhammer on a daily basis
[10:47] <Ben_Cs> i hope there wold be a decent free linux game soon
[10:47] <laserbeak43> i agree
[10:47] <laserbeak43> linux deserves it
[10:47] <laserbeak43> wolfenstein is good
[10:47] <laserbeak43> but no one plays much on my favorite server anymore
[10:47] <Jester45> tremulous ] 
[10:47] <laserbeak43> its a shame
[10:47] <Ben_Cs> wolfenstein is only multiplayer
[10:47] <laserbeak43> i had so much fun with those guys
[10:47] <Ben_Cs> trem. is ok
[10:47] <Ben_Cs> nexuis is ok.
[10:47] <Ben_Cs> but i want "great"
[10:48] <Ben_Cs> i like startegy games better then shooters
[10:48] <laserbeak43> bah all i need is to get my wiimotes to work on linux and i'll be good with an emulator
[10:49] <Ben_Cs> warzone2100 resurrection, has nice game play, but it's OLD
[10:49] <laserbeak43> yeah i havent heard of a good free RTS on any platform
[10:49] <Ben_Cs> laserbeak: WinXP has C&C 3
[10:49] <Ben_Cs> oh. not free
[10:49] <Ben_Cs> warez thoigh
[10:50] <Ben_Cs> *though
[10:50] <laserbeak43> yeah warez
[10:51] <snooo> hey
[10:51] <Ben_Cs> hey snoo
[10:52] <snooo> im having probs with xfce4-mixer - trying to set the volume on the microphone for my USB phone, but whenever i put the volume up it goes back to zero. it used to work, and the speaker works fine.
[10:52] <Ben_Cs> wonder when there would be a good desktop in java.
[10:52] <snooo> any ideas what could be causing the prob?
[10:52] <Ben_Cs> snooo: is your card recognized?
[10:53] <Ben_Cs> *sound card, that is
[10:53] <snooo> err
[10:53] <snooo> the system seems to know its there
[10:53] <snooo> the mixer will bring up settings for the microphone and the speaker
[10:53] <snooo> its just that the settings for the mic are useless
[10:53] <Jester45> Ben_Cs, you know how slow a java desktop would be
[10:53] <laserbeak43> whats the burnfree option in xfburn??
[10:54] <snooo> its just a standard USB sound device, it should work
[10:54] <Jester45> Ben_Cs, but have a google for project looking glass
[10:55] <Ben_Cs> jester: how about a virtual machine running not on another OS but is an OS by itself? then everything would be faster.
[10:55] <TheSheep> Ben_Cs: how so?
[10:56] <Ben_Cs> snoo: had a probplem with usb sound switching from soundcard to usb sound. can't help you there. maybe jester?
[10:56] <TheSheep> laserbeak43: if something breaks and interrupts burning, the cd is still readable, I think
[10:56] <laserbeak43> yeah there's some interesting OS-state kinda thingies in solaris
[10:56] <laserbeak43> cool TheSheep
[10:57] <snooo> i'll try in #ubuntu
[10:57] <Ben_Cs> thesheep: cause running an OS on virtual machine is always slower then running the OS from hardware
[10:57] <TheSheep> Ben_Cs: always?
[10:58] <TheSheep> Ben_Cs: I don't think so.
[10:58] <Ben_Cs> thesheep: yes. it's logical
[10:58] <TheSheep> Ben_Cs: google for xen
[10:58] <Ben_Cs> the pc needs then resources for 2 OSs
[10:58] <laserbeak43> heh i've found my first non working app
[10:58] <laserbeak43> xfburn
[10:58] <TheSheep> laserbeak43: yeah, xfburn is pretty bad
[10:59] <Ben_Cs> laserbeak: i use k3b.
[10:59] <TheSheep> laserbeak43: especially since they dumped cdrecrod and switched to wodim
[10:59] <Ben_Cs> it's not that fast, but powerfull as nero
[11:00] <Ben_Cs> thesheep: googled for xen but nothing indicates it make OSes run from it fast as if they're run from hardware
[11:01] <TheSheep> Ben_Cs: it does
[11:01] <TheSheep> Ben_Cs: it uses new features of modern cpus to do the virtualisation, so there is no overhead
[11:02] <Ben_Cs> thesheep: oh. <100 mili seconds difference, it says. but how about when the system is full loaded? maybe the difference is higher then,,,
[11:03] <Ben_Cs> thesheep: it's as easy to use as vmware?
[11:05] <TheSheep> Ben_Cs: no, it's not a program, it's a technology
[11:05] <laserbeak43> wodim
[11:05] <laserbeak43> never hearda it
[11:05] <laserbeak43> k3b hah?
[11:06] <TheSheep> laserbeak43: wodim is a command-line burining program that is used under the hood by all the graphical burning tools
[11:06] <Ben_Cs> laserbeak: k3b is kde burning tool
[11:06] <laserbeak43> yeah i know k3b
[11:07] <laserbeak43> never used it tho
[11:07] <laserbeak43> getting it now
[11:07] <Ben_Cs> http://k3b.plainblack.com/
[11:07] <Ben_Cs> ok
[11:07] <laserbeak43> trying to burn fluxbuntu for this old box
[11:08] <Ben_Cs> laserback: tell me  your impressions later
[11:08] <laserbeak43> will do
[11:08] <laserbeak43> i hope they release that planned educational version
[11:09] <laserbeak43> edubuntu wont work on that old box
[11:09] <Jester45> a fluxedubuntu
[11:10] <Ben_Cs> edubuntu has a terminal server capabilty. so you just install terminal edubuntu on your old pc, and it'll run fast through terminal server on your fast pc
[11:11] <laserbeak43> but i want it for my son(7 years old)
[11:11] <laserbeak43> he'd rather play ps2 than use terminal
[11:11] <Ben_Cs> BTW, i hate #gnome channel. it's so packed with ppl, that it's hard to get any help
[11:12] <Ben_Cs> laserbeak: terminal not as command line, but like thin client. you know about thin clients don't you?
[11:12] <hyper_ch> hiho
[11:12] <Jester45> hi Halcy0n
[11:12] <Jester45> hi hyper_ch
[11:12] <Jester45> aa tab failed me
[11:12] <laserbeak43> Ben_Cs: no not really
[11:12] <laserbeak43> or at all :P
[11:13] <Jester45> like a vnc
[11:13] <thingy> umm before I got compile XFCE from source, there isn't a 4.4.1 repo anywhere is there?
[11:13] <thingy> swap/got/go
[11:14] <laserbeak43> vnwhat?
[11:14] <Ben_Cs> laserbeak. a thin client is usually a slow pc that has a basic remote controll app that connects to a fast server that gives the slow pc the strength of the server with the OS and interface installed on the server
[11:14] <laserbeak43> cool
[11:14] <laserbeak43> so this server would be another pc?
[11:14] <Jester45> yes
[11:15] <Ben_Cs> laserbeak:   http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thin_client
[11:15] <laserbeak43> i don't have that many boxes laying around yet :P
[11:15] <laserbeak43> k3b finished burning it and with a sense of humor :)
[11:15] <laserbeak43> yeah it does remind me of nero
[11:16] <Ben_Cs> laserbeak: you need a fast pc for edubuntu and the slow pc as client and that's it
[11:16] <Ben_Cs> laserbeak: i think you can install the thin client server on your xubuntu from the ubuntu repositories
[11:18] <laserbeak43> interesting
[11:18] <laserbeak43> but could i still use xubuntu and serve edubuntu?
[11:19] <laserbeak43> at the same time?
[11:19] <Ben_Cs> yes.
[11:19] <Jester45> i think i like the idea of fat clients
[11:20] <Ben_Cs> you just install on xubuntu the Terminal Server, and the old PC gets the desktop of your xubuntu
[11:20] <laserbeak43> cool
[11:20] <laserbeak43> oh
[11:20] <Jester45> if you where making a network of clients for your work
[11:20] <laserbeak43> like those terminals at my old job
[11:20] <laserbeak43> they had no hard drives or anything
[11:20] <laserbeak43> i see
[11:22] <orbit7> is there a way to disable automounting of usb disks for certain users?
[11:22] <orbit7> I don't want the vnc-desktop to auto-mount drives, they steal the drive from the real desktop.
[11:22] <Ben_Cs> if the clients don't have harddisks u just use netboot i think
[11:23] <laserbeak43> that pxe rom thing?
[11:24] <Ben_Cs> maybe
[11:24] <TheSheep> orbit7: thunar->edit->preferences->advanced->configure volume manager
[11:24] <orbit7> thanks, checking the settings
[11:25] <Ben_Cs> laserbeak: yeh pxe it is. just checked it
[11:26] <orbit7> TheSheep: that was easy, i was looking in the wrong places for that setting
[11:26] <slow-motion> n8
[11:27] <TheSheep> orbit7: yes, it's unintuitive that it's the part of Thunar
[11:28] <laserbeak43> Ben_Cs: thanks i'll look into that
[11:28] <Ben_Cs> laserbeak: np
[11:29] <Ben_Cs> laserbeak: just searched for "ltsp" in repositories and got the right tesults.
[11:32] <laserbeak43> i'm trying to mount the hard disks
[11:32] <laserbeak43> on this system
[11:32] <laserbeak43> nah the fluxbox system
[11:32] <laserbeak43> but mount doesnt seem to return harddrives in the list
[11:32] <Ben_Cs> someone told a joke in #xfce:
[11:33] <Ben_Cs> So...KDE, Gnome and XFCE walked into a bar. There was mounting tension as none of them spoke to each other. To break the ice, XFCE blurts out, "What do all smart asses have in common?". KDE and Gnome look at each other and then shrug simultaneously at XFCE. "Wise cracks!" said XFCE. XFCE is now sitting alone at bar thinking "Everybody's a critic!!!"
[11:33] <echo6> hello!
[11:33] <laserbeak43> lol
[11:34] <Ben_Cs> laserbeak: you mean on desktop?
[11:35] <laserbeak43> no i'm on the desktop and open a terminal
[11:35] <laserbeak43> then type mount to seee what kinda stuff i have
[11:35] <laserbeak43> and i dont see anything
[11:35] <laserbeak43> and i cant browse
[11:35] <laserbeak43> andiything
[11:36] <laserbeak43> with the home folder ont he deslktop it seems
[11:36] <echo6> I've installed xubuntu 7.04 on a Sony Vaio Celeron 600...anytime I open a terminal X restarts..any ideas?
[11:37] <Ben_Cs> laserbeak: nothin? wierd. try asking in #fluxbuntu
[11:37] <laserbeak43> cool
[11:37] <Ben_Cs> echo6: nothin i can think of
[11:38] <Jester45> echo6, try f2+alt and type Terminal if it crashes try it again with xfce4-terminal
[11:38] <Ben_Cs> exho6: tried to google it?
[11:38] <Jester45> i know its a bu
[11:38] <Jester45> i just dont remeber if it was Terminal or xfce4-terminal crashing
[11:38] <echo6> Ben_Cs: I think it is related to xfce4-terminal,  going to try xterm
[11:38] <echo6> Jester45: bu?
[11:39] <Jester45> Terminal and xfce4-terminal are diffrent
[11:39] <Jester45> bug*
[11:39] <echo6> thanks
[11:39] <echo6> xterm works fine..its a bu then
[11:40] <Jester45> if you find out what one works you could overwrite the broken with a copy of the new and then you should be fine
[11:40] <Jester45> xterm should allways work
[11:40] <Jester45> its the 2nd to last thing you should be able to boot to
[11:41] <echo6> yes..just nice to have some features from the other terms,  e.g. copy & paste
[11:41] <Jester45> its a root terminal then gdm->fail safe session (xterm) and then xfce
[11:41] <Ben_Cs> laserbeak43: coming to think about it. it's probably a kernel thingy. tried the same with xubuntu livecd?
[11:41] <Jester45> Ben_Cs, there has been kernel upgrades since the bug first showed
[11:42] <Jester45> o your talking about laserbeak43
[11:42] <thingy> echo6: oh about the terminal causing X to crash...have you installed any new/weird fonts recently?
[11:42] <laserbeak43> not sure and no i havent
[11:42] <echo6> thingy: no this is a fresh install
[11:43] <Jester45> bug 91849
[11:43] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 91849 in xfce "i810 + xorg = xfce crashes when opening terminal" [Unknown,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/91849
[11:43] <echo6> ubotu: thanks, will investigate further..for now making use of xterm
[11:44] <echo6> lmao
[11:44] <echo6> bug 91849
[11:44] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 91849 in xfce "i810 + xorg = xfce crashes when opening terminal" [Unknown,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/91849
[11:44] <echo6> nice
[11:44] <Jester45> lol
[11:44] <echo6> :)
[11:45] <Jester45> it tricked another person
[11:45] <Jester45> so try using Terminal
[11:45] <echo6> yes well the "I am only a bot" gives it away :-)
[11:45] <Jester45> i think that shoudl work
[11:45] <Ben_Cs> jester: what're the triggers of the bot?
[11:45] <echo6> bug <number>
[11:46] <echo6> bug 1
[11:46] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 1 in ubuntu "Microsoft has a majority market share" [Critical,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/1
[11:46] <echo6> ROFL
[11:46] <Jester45> yea they added that because a lot of people would say "ubotu, thanks"
[11:46] <echo6> bug 0
[11:46] <Jester45> and it would be loged as an unknown command
[11:47] <Jester45> aa
[11:47] <Jester45> and you find the bug1 joke
[11:47] <Jester45> well
[11:47] <echo6> :)
[11:47] <Jester45> i guess its a real problem and a joke
[11:47] <Ben_Cs> good joke though
[11:48] <Jester45> this glitch began after installing and playing prboom/freedoom.
[11:48] <Jester45> did you install freedoom
[11:48] <Ben_Cs> been thinking. maybe i'll leave kde and go back to xubuntu just because of the great community? LOL
[11:48] <echo6> :-)
[11:48] <Jester45> its because im here
[11:49] <Ben_Cs> jester: you're very modest u know?
[11:49] <Jester45> yea i know
[11:50] <Jester45> i fixed a problem on a friends server and he was asking for the port ot login and i said not till you say im better than you
[11:50] <Ben_Cs> BTW, xubuntu is read as Zubuntu? like Xena = Zena?
[11:50] <Jester45> (he didnt get the port for a few hours)
[11:50] <Ben_Cs> lol
[11:50] <Jester45> i say it as Xubuntu
[11:51] <pleia2> Ben_Cs: yes
[11:51] <Ben_Cs> cool
[11:54] <Ben_Cs> here's something i liked:
[11:54] <Ben_Cs> "Ubuntu": traditional african word for "I'm not able to use Debian"
[11:54] <s-x-u> why ?
[11:55] <Ben_Cs> ammusing isn't it?
[11:55] <s-x-u> why ?
[11:56] <Ben_Cs> s-x-u: are you a bot with only trigger "wht"?
[11:56] <kekk> haha
[11:56] <Ben_Cs> *why
[11:57] <s-x-u> well you made a statement i ask you why do you think it is so ... why ?
[11:57] <xor> there are plenty of advantages to the ubuntus over debian
[11:57] <xor> also other way around
[11:57] <Ben_Cs> well, first: i copied it. second: debian is harder to use then ubuntu
[11:58] <s-x-u> and why do you think debian is harder to use ?
[11:59] <Ben_Cs> s-x-u: cause debian doesn't come preinstalled with lots of usefull soft as ubuntu, so it's harder for new linux users
[11:59] <Ben_Cs> s-x-u: i just don't like debian because of it's old packages. and sid is damn not stable
[12:00] <s-x-u> apt-get is easy for installing software on both debian and ubuntu
[12:00] <Ben_Cs> true
[12:01] <Ben_Cs> apt-get install synaptic , is even easier
[12:01] <s-x-u> those old pakages are they buggy ?
[12:02] <Ben_Cs> not buggy. but supports not very well of new hardware
[12:02] <s-x-u> you can make new packages yourself
[12:03] <s-x-u> if you can do better ....
[12:03] <xor> anyone here running 7.10?
[12:04] <Ben_Cs> s-x-u: don't have the time for it. for instance xserver-xorg-video-i810 has much less support of my video card than the newer xserver-xorg-video-intel
[12:04] <s-x-u> debian is a sparetime job by enthusiasts (?) ubuntu have about 50 paid developerss
[12:05] <Ben_Cs> xor: one sec
[12:05] <s-x-u> i have to use i810 because with intel i am getting very big fonts
[12:06] <Ben_Cs> xor:  #ubuntu+1   is the support chan, if u want
[12:06] <s-x-u> xor:  i use 7.10 at this moment
[12:06] <xor> i'm running 7.04
[12:06] <xor> just wondering how smoothly it's going
[12:06] <xor> haven't been reading much about it
[12:07] <xor> s-x-u: enjoying it?
[12:07] <s-x-u> it will depend on your hardware first
[12:07] <Ben_Cs> s-x-u: with i810 i don't get the refresh rate i want
[12:07] <s-x-u> yes
[12:07] <Ben_Cs> s-x-u: u run tribe 5?
[12:07] <s-x-u> i run tribe 4 with updates = tribe 5 ?
[12:08] <Ben_Cs> yes
[12:08] <s-x-u> well then i am
[12:09] <s-x-u> not many new things new artwork and a places plugin are the visible changes
[12:09] <Ben_Cs> damn the kde over-animation makes me sick! need to return to good-old-xubuntu fast!
[12:09] <s-x-u> kde over-animation what is that ?
[12:10] <Ben_Cs> too much of animation, that is
[12:10] <Ben_Cs> jumping icon etc.
[12:10] <Ben_Cs> makes me wanna throw-up
[12:11] <s-x-u> disable button is also jumping every time yo want to click it isnt it ? :)
[12:11] <Ben_Cs> lol
[12:12] <s-x-u> the only time i notice that there is a refresh rate is when i shut down and the pixels are powered off
[12:14] <Ben_Cs> s-x-u: when i use winblows and the go to the another pc with debian i feel the refresh rate change instantly
[12:14] <Ben_Cs> coming to think about it. haven't used winblows for months now
[12:14] <s-x-u> i dont have experience with crt because i use tft-lcd
[12:15] <Ben_Cs> that's the reason then
[12:15] <Ben_Cs> 60mhz in lcd is fine. in crt it's horrific
[12:15] <Ben_Cs> *60hz
[12:16] <s-x-u> you can set a refresh rate with $ sudoku displayconfig-gtk
[12:16] <xor> anyone know a good site for cheap used laptops?
[12:16] <orbit7> old crt 60mhz is ok, new crt 60mhz sucks, the response of the old crt's was slow
[12:16] <Ben_Cs> yes. but if the driver doesn't support it u get a black screen
[12:16] <s-x-u> xor what pric may it cost ?
[12:17] <Ben_Cs> xor: depending on your location. ebay usually is
[12:17] <xor> s-x-u: was hoping for under $500
[12:17] <s-x-u> i live in the euro zone
[12:17] <xor> aah what part?
[12:17] <xor> i'm in the states
[12:18] <Ben_Cs> xor: u don't like ebay?
[12:18] <s-x-u> so how many euros is $500
[12:18] <xor> Ben_Cs: not really :\
[12:18] <xor> Ben_Cs: been burned
[12:18] <Ben_Cs> i see
[12:19] <Ben_Cs> about 400 euro i think
[12:19] <Ben_Cs> maybe 450?
[12:19] <xor> 367.89
[12:20] <s-x-u> http://www.laptopcloseout.com/usa/store.html
[12:20] <xor> thanks
[12:21] <s-x-u> g o o g l e ! ! ! ! ! !
[12:21] <xor> ;)
[12:21] <xor> i was hoping someone had some personal experience
[12:22] <xor> w/ a small shop
[12:22] <Ben_Cs> xor: you're prepaired to take a plane there?
[12:22] <s-x-u> type the link in google + review maybe there is one ...
[12:22] <s-x-u> usa and canada
[12:22] <Ben_Cs> or drive for like 20 hours?
[12:23] <s-x-u> you dont have package delivery in usa ? poor country :P
[12:25] <Ben_Cs> s-x-u: don't u want to check the product first?
[12:25] <Ben_Cs> well guys, i'm off to install xubuntu. see u later.
[12:25] <s-x-u> i do not buy online
[12:25] <s-x-u> xor wants to
[12:25] <s-x-u> Ben_Cs: do you have one pc ?
[12:26] <Ben_Cs> yes
[12:26] <s-x-u> ok hope you dont screw it up
[12:26] <xor> lol
[12:27] <xor> wow
[12:27] <Ben_Cs> well didn't screw it up the last time installed xfce
[12:27] <s-x-u> xor: ?
[12:27] <thingy> xor: To help you get a good deal, look at the bargains being discussed on this forum: http://forum.notebookreview.com/forumdisplay.php?f=12 and also check out the coupons + forums on here: http://www.notebookforums.com/
[12:27] <Ben_Cs> xubuntu that is
[12:27] <xor> thingy: hey, thanks
[12:27] <Ben_Cs> c u later then.
[12:27] <s-x-u> Ben_Cs: doei
[12:32] <thingy> xor: those two links will keep you busy for a while but the goal should be to make up a short list of machines and then research on http://www.linux-laptop.net/ to see which laptop has had positive things said about it when people tried installing linux on them. In general, the important things to watch out for, are to ensure ACPI sleep/hibernate work and that there aren't any major unsupported hardware like sound/network/wireless. I went through
[12:32] <thingy> this and the whole thing takes a few days(a week) to sort out.
[12:32] <xor> what did you wind up with?
[12:33] <xor> i've heard good things about thinkpads.. and they are pretty
[12:33] <thingy> xor: a hp nx7400 machine. It had a good price from a uk mailorder company called e-buyer and HP were giving me 75 rebate which made it a bargain
[12:34] <xor> nice
[12:34] <thingy> xor: thinkpads are good but pricey unless you get a good deal from e-bay
[12:34] <xor> hmm
[12:36] <xor> well hopefully i can find something cheap and fully compatible
[12:36] <xor> i don't mind going older
[12:36] <xor> don't need too much power from one
[12:36] <xor> just something very basic
[12:36] <TheSheep> asus eee :)
[12:36] <xor> i wouldn't mind that thing!
[12:37] <thingy> asus came out too late for me :-( I liked the idea of a modular laptop since I know the economies of scale would eventually make the parts as cheap as pc parts
[12:38] <s-x-u> intel inside ...
[12:39] <TheSheep> Wizard: it's targeted to people using computers for the first time
[12:39] <TheSheep> Wizard: or at least using linux for the first time
[12:39] <s-x-u> wizard you are really bored if you read the desktop guide :):):)
[12:40] <Wizard> :D
[12:40] <Wizard> yeah, i am
[12:40] <Wizard> i can't sleep
[12:40] <TheSheep> Wizard: read the wiki :)
[12:40] <s-x-u> better try to damage your install without sudo and report it on launchpad if it happens
[12:40] <Wizard> but really, i'm starting to like ubuntu..
[12:41] <thingy> Wizard: browse the upcoming stories on reddit.com or digg.com.
[12:41] <Wizard> s-x-u: i have to much linux/unix experience :P
[12:41] <s-x-u> already read all the manpages ?
[12:41] <Wizard> linux manpages sux and are a bit uncomplete
[12:42] <thingy> I know...what cheers me up and will prob. amuse you too....is to goto hotornot.com and give everyone a 0! :-)
[12:42] <TheSheep> Wizard: they are excellent, but not all are installed by default
[12:42] <s-x-u> i have job for you ! correct the man pages !!!!!
[12:43] <Wizard> TheSheep: did you see freebsd or openbsd manpages ?
[12:43] <Wizard> evry driver, every task and every app is covered in them
[12:43] <TheSheep> Wizard: openbsd
[12:43] <s-x-u> but they are all hot :-/
[12:43] <Wizard> ok, no further question
[12:44] <TheSheep> Wizard: agreed that any distro-specific man pages are missing
[12:44] <TheSheep> Wizard: they would have to be prepared specifically for ubuntu
[12:45] <TheSheep> Wizard: and it seems that ubuntu uses web pages, wiki and forums for that
[12:46] <Wizard> TheSheep: hotorwhat ?
[12:46] <TheSheep> Wizard: beg you pardon?
[12:46] <s-x-u> hahahaha
[12:46] <s-x-u> perfect !
[12:47] <Wizard> ah, that was to thingy :P
[12:48] <s-x-u> Wizard:  start install the fun man pages and improve them
[12:50] <Wizard> i'll just fix my mail server
[12:50] <Wizard> :P
[12:50] <s-x-u> TheSheep: normally my eyes follow the mouse pointer ... u use a newer version ?:)
[12:51] <Wizard> aww.. i spitted gin on my pants :/
[12:52] <TheSheep> Wizard: does it hurt?
[12:53] <Wizard> no
[12:53] <Wizard> it hurts my pocket only
[12:53] <TheSheep> Wizard: then light a match XD
[12:53] <Wizard> no!
[12:54] <s-x-u> only desinfecting
[12:54] <Wizard> :)
[12:54] <TheSheep> Wizard: keep away from the fireplace
[12:54] <Wizard> uhh.. i'm drunk
[12:54] <Wizard> i don't have fireplace, i live in dorm :)
[12:56] <s-x-u> wizard: http://www.tempohousing.com/ have a look maybe you want one
[12:57] <Wizard> i won't move out my dorm
[12:57] <Wizard> i love it
[12:57] <Wizard> and i live with my gf :)
[12:58] <s-x-u> is your gf with you ?
[12:59] <Wizard> not now :/
[12:59] <Wizard> she will return in two weeks
[12:59] <Wizard> she spends holidays with parents
[12:59] <s-x-u> (00:40:13) Wizard: i can't sleep ----- know i understand your problem ....
[12:59] <Wizard> :)
[01:00] <Wizard> yeah.. that's the main reason
[01:01] <Wizard> s-x-u: i said that about 7am :/
[01:01] <s-x-u> prepare a very big surprise for here
[01:01] <s-x-u> yep i live in another time zone ...
[01:02] <Wizard> yeah.. but imagine sleepless night..
[01:02] <Wizard> completely alone :/
[01:02] <Wizard> i haven't seen her for 2 months
[01:04] <s-x-u> that is what i call a very long time
[01:04] <Wizard> that's what i call infinity
[01:04] <Wizard> or ethernity
[01:04] <Wizard> (depends on cult you are member of)
[01:05] <s-x-u> better call her you broke some legs
[01:06] <Wizard> she called me 3 hours ago, she told me she would return about 10 of september
[01:07] <s-x-u> next time go with her ..
[01:08] <Pumpernickel> Could you keep non-support related conversation in the -offtopic channels, please?  Thanks.
[01:08] <Wizard> yes, of course..
[01:08] <s-x-u> Pumpernickel: can i help you ?