=== Catoptromancy [n=Miranda@fl-71-1-235-150.dhcp.embarqhsd.net] has joined #xubuntu === orbisvicis [n=orbisvic@pool-70-21-195-98.nwrk.east.verizon.net] has joined #xubuntu [01:24] !libvdcss [01:24] Sorry, I don't know anything about libvdcss - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi [01:25] !dvd [01:25] For playing DVD, see http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/video.html - "libdvdcss2" can be found at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages - Try k9copy (available in !Universe) for backing up DVDs [01:26] would medibuntu clash with xubuntu ? [01:27] what is: medibuntu [01:27] !medibuntu [01:27] medibuntu is a repository of packages that cannot be included into the Ubuntu distribution for legal reasons - See http://www.medibuntu.org [01:28] if ubotu knows about then no problem :-D === Dragonchaser] [ [n=dragonch@dslb-084-056-080-141.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #xubuntu [01:28] hi [01:28] hi [01:29] ill try ... ty [01:29] heh [01:30] i got some problems with my pc (athlon 1400), ubuntu wont boot, because it doesn't add the hdXX devices to the /dev tree [01:30] anybody seen this problem before / knows how to fix? [01:30] so you think grub is not ok ? [01:30] grub is fine i think [01:31] Which version of Xubuntu are you using? [01:31] the strange thing is i can boot debian, using 2.4.x kernel or 2.6.x kernel (2.6.x just doesn't load pci device modules) [01:31] Pumpernickel: 7.04 [01:31] 7.04 uses the /dev/sd* naming convention, due to the libata change. [01:31] You may have to update your config. [01:32] ermm, even if i don't hava sata? [01:32] Yup. [01:32] hda1 should be sda1 then right? [01:32] Yup. [01:33] but the installer still creates config for hdXX [01:37] Is this an upgrade from Edgy, or a clean install? [01:37] clean install [01:38] Pumpernickel: i modified my fstab, well, but it doesn't work anyway [01:39] Curious; it shouldn't be using hd* at all - it's supposed to be using either sd* or UUIDs. [01:39] uses uuids [01:39] last prompt i get whilst booting with recovery kernel [01:39] is :Begin: Waiting for root file system... ... [01:40] and approx 5min laters it falls back to some busybox shell [01:40] you have some thing in grub menu that does not exist ? === Catoptromancy_ [n=Miranda@fl-71-1-235-150.dhcp.embarqhsd.net] has joined #xubuntu [01:41] possibly, but shouldn't have happend, its grub config of the installer [01:41] i normally don't modify them [01:41] the best way to reconfigure X is actually to run: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg? [01:42] cause I have a new graphics card and a new screen [01:42] the fastest i suppose sc0tt [01:42] scizzo-: yes if all the driver packages are installed [01:43] Dragonchaser] [: if you hit control-d in th busybox shell booting resumes ? [01:44] i don't think so, its not the maintanence shell [01:44] ill give it a try [01:48] s-x-u: ctrl-d only brings me back to the same shell [01:48] ok just an idea [01:48] shell also mentions that /dev/disk/by-uuid/*********************** doesn't exist [01:49] how is de hard drive se tup ? [01:50] hda1 /boot 64m [01:50] hda2 swap [01:50] hda3 / 19gig [01:52] hda1 uuid does not exist ? [01:52] thats the setup i entered whilst installing [01:52] hmm has the installer for the command line system been upgraded too? [01:53] i dont know [01:53] hmm maybe not... [01:54] strange idea backup /boot and create hda1 again ? [01:54] done this for times today [01:55] well strange is my realtek 8139 doen't work in none of the setups [01:56] update-grub tried ? [01:56] s-x-u: in grub shell? [01:56] no in terminal [01:56] how, when i can't boot the system? [01:56] no you cant hehe [01:57] try boot the live cd [01:57] maybe chrooting a rescure system [01:57] the only cdburner available is in that machine... [01:57] only have alternate [02:01] so menu.lst in /boot/grub is set up right, but when the vmlinuz loads it cant find the root file system? [02:01] mkdir /rescue --- mount /dev/(s/h)da3 /rescue --- mount -o bind /dev /rescue/dev --- mount -o bind /proc /rescue proc --- chroot /rescue ---grub-install sda ? [02:02] --- divide commands not for command line [02:04] correct me if am wrong [02:05] im no geek [02:05] there is no sda [02:06] ok make it hda === michaelpo [n=presario@60.52.8.123] has joined #xubuntu [02:07] you can boot in to command line with alternate cd ? [02:07] jup [02:07] ok [02:07] to the rescue system [02:07] btw, what we did killed grub [02:07] ... RIP (rest in peaces) [02:08] (02:01:58) ? [02:08] well whatever i pick in grub menu -> file not found [02:09] you need a reinstall [02:10] not again... [02:10] that's worse than installing vista [02:11] yes install again and stop after installing grub without formatting your partitions only select de mountpoints [02:11] ok [02:12] too late, format was already through as you wrote this [02:12] can't get the drivers to work correctly it seems === T` [n=total@pdpc/supporter/student/T] has joined #xubuntu [02:12] you are too fast ... first discuss ... [02:13] sry, twiddle fingers [02:13] s-x-u: I get error "wfb" cant be loaded in the start of the GDM === The_Kernel [n=thomas@67-150-255-34.oak.mdsg-pacwest.com] has joined #xubuntu [02:13] which...from what I understand is framebuffer [02:14] just that it can't find the libwfb [02:14] scizzo-: install it [02:15] s-x-u: can't find the package name [02:15] Dragonchaser] [: what are you doing [02:15] reinstalling base system [02:16] scizzo-: apt-cache search ... ? [02:16] what's going on?! [02:16] s-x-u: tell me what to do when he asks for reboot [02:16] s-x-u: well can't find anything on wfb [02:16] or libwfb [02:17] scizzo-: then i dont know [02:17] Dragonchaser] [: reboot :) [02:17] s-x-u: then well be back at the strange busybox shell === Catoptromancy [n=Miranda@fl-71-1-235-150.dhcp.embarqhsd.net] has joined #xubuntu === Balaams_Miracle [n=balaam@g175073.upc-g.chello.nl] has joined #xubuntu [02:19] then reinstall and delete all partitons and write a new partition table make new partions and no apart /boot [02:19] s-x-u: already have done that [02:19] there is no extra /boot [02:19] ...this time [02:20] did you reboot ? [02:20] or are you installing [02:20] not yet stimm installing === michaelpo [n=presario@60.52.8.123] has left #xubuntu [] [02:21] are you installing de text system ? [02:21] jup [02:21] ok [02:22] how did you set up your drive this time ? [02:22] hda1 primary 19gig / [02:22] hda5 secondary 1 gig swap [02:22] used autoconfig [02:23] 2, 3 and 4 ? [02:23] weren't created by the installer [02:25] so you love installing operating systems ? ;-) [02:25] well, its not like that i am a noob to linux [02:25] this system just freaks me off [02:26] it's the sixth machin i setup with ubuntu, none of the first 5 ever made problems, [02:26] .... exept for the evil nr.6 [02:26] it's like the beginning of a wonderful relationship.... based on hate.... [02:28] I AM a noob BUT linux is easy most of the time if i get errors i can do something useful with the error message [02:28] usually, when you get errors === gerro [n=logmein@c-68-33-161-50.hsd1.md.comcast.net] has joined #xubuntu [02:30] Got my panel set to auto hide but it still shows a little sliver when hidden. How do I fully hide it? [02:31] my previous system gives me unreadable errors so i couldnt do anything to fix [02:31] impossible [02:32] gerro: impossible [02:36] your realtek is the next problem === tetragon [n=seneca@206-248-135-167.dsl.teksavvy.com] has joined #xubuntu [02:38] s-x-u: why? [02:40] it didnt work you said [02:40] it used to work under, suse,mandrake,slackware,debian, ubuntu [02:41] well it doesn't now... [02:43] what doesn't work? what unreadable errors? [02:43] wtf!? what is impossible I am so confused [02:43] gerro: [02:44] gerro: my system, my 8139 [02:44] s-x-u:.... [02:44] 8139? [02:44] gerro: you only have to read lines with your own name in it [02:44] realtek rtl 8139c [02:44] is that a network card? [02:44] hrhr [02:44] Hi, I've been looking for a way to disable the SCSI subsystem on the kernel used by the Xubuntu 7.04 desktop disk, but have yet to find one. Does anyone know of a way to do that? I have a Thinkpad i1200 that's hanging on boot during SCSI subsystem initialisation. [02:44] bingo [02:45] tetragon: sounds like a bios issue [02:45] Dragonchaser] [: bingo [02:45] Dragonchaser] [: = ? [02:46] s-x-u: bingo is a game, where you shout bingo when you've won [02:46] gerro: Nothing fancy in this box's bios, just date, time, boot order, parallel port, and password settings [02:46] what about blacklisting the module? [02:46] Dragonchaser] [: are you playing now? [02:47] s-x-u: well no.... just some brainbug :) [02:48] Dragonchaser] [: how to blacklist a module ... [02:48] /etc/modules/blacklist i think [02:49] ermm /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist [02:49] tetragon: luck with the blacklist [02:50] s-x-u: How do I do that from the boot prompt? [02:50] tetragon: boot rescue system [02:50] mount partition to /mnt [02:50] modify the file using nano or sth [02:50] Dragonchaser] [: Nothing has been installed yet. [02:50] oh... [02:50] sudo nano /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist [02:51] Dragonchaser] [: I can't get the desktop installer disk to boot (and I verified the burn) [02:51] tetragon: why not? [02:51] s-x-u: installing grub [02:51] Dragonchaser] [: Hangs during SCSI subsystem initialisation [02:51] ok [02:52] tetragon: tried alternate install [02:52] Dragonchaser] [: Waiting for the disk burn [02:52] s-x-u: rebooting.... [02:52] is there a no scsi option [02:53] s-x-u: Haven't found one yet [02:53] Dragonchaser] [: rrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr [02:53] .... [02:53] s-x-u: that is what I was saying probably a no scsi option in his bios [02:53] no chance... [02:53] gerro: This box does not have SCSI [02:53] s-x-u: hangs again [02:54] what is the message [02:54] Waiting for root file system... ... [02:54] s-x-u: [245.568410] SCSI subsystem initialized [02:55] Dragonchaser] [: well wait lets goolge [02:55] google [02:55] tetragon: is your harddrive scsi ? [02:55] s-x-u: No, IDE, 20GB [02:56] s-x-u: alrady did that... [02:56] no chance... [02:56] s-x-u: This system boots DSL [02:56] ill give it another try tomorry [02:56] tomorrow, i am too tired [02:57] n8i [02:57] ok === The_Kernel [n=thomas@67-150-255-34.oak.mdsg-pacwest.com] has joined #xubuntu [02:57] read the log ... [02:57] of this channel [02:58] maybe i find something in dutch === Balaams_Miracle [n=balaam@g175073.upc-g.chello.nl] has joined #xubuntu [02:59] tetragon: so theoretically you can install [02:59] s-x-u: In theory. (The alternate burn is verifying now) [03:01] im looking for a way to skip scsi detection because the alternate scans also for scsi [03:02] But at least the alternate disk has a nicer installer [03:03] hey in ubuntu there is a run option in the menu, what does that load? I'm going to add a key combo for super + r and remove desktop icons & panels to save resouces [03:03] --disable=scsi [03:05] Hrm... What comes after SCSI in the typical Xubuntu boot? [03:05] tetragon: you have to do include that option manually in the live cd menu with f6 i think --disable scsi [03:05] The boot is still hanging, but this time at the message before the SCSI one [03:06] tetragon: what is that message ? [03:06] s-x-u: [ 41.973295] ohci_hcd 0000:00:14.0: irq 10, io mem 0x82400000 [03:07] This is the message that used to immediately precede the SCSI message [03:07] But it is now the final message [03:07] What is typically loaded after SCSI? [03:09] Dragonchaser] [: you need a live cd http://forums.whirlpool.net.au/forum-replies-archive.cfm/806681.html [03:09] tetragon: i dont know i ll give you another option [03:10] --disable=parallel,serial,usb,scsi,pcmcia try this and tell me what happens === neozen [n=neozen@c-71-228-16-126.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #xubuntu === cellofellow [n=josh@69-71-169-124.mammothnetworks.com] has joined #xubuntu [03:12] Hangs at the same point it did with just --disable=scsi [03:13] wouldn't that be noscsi on a kernel options line? === Laibsc1 [n=Laibsch@p54B950A0.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #xubuntu [03:13] cellofellow: Tried that earlier with no effect === cellofellow [n=josh@69-71-169-124.mammothnetworks.com] has joined #xubuntu [03:18] cellofellow: is it --disable=noscsi ? [03:19] should just be noscsi, you can also set things like noapm or nousb, etc. [03:19] so it should be --noscsi [03:19] no, just noscsi [03:20] on the kernel options. the kernel doesn't need -- things. [03:20] tetragon: read that [03:21] Trying "noscsi nousb noapm" [03:22] ok [03:22] Still hanging after the ohci_hcd status message comes up [03:23] grrrrr [03:23] What does the Xubuntu installer kernel normally load after "SCSI subsystem initialized" is displayed? [03:23] i dont know someone else ? [03:23] If I can find that out, I can try disabling that [03:25] yeah, if the scsi is working (seems like it from that message) you are barking up the wrong tree. [03:25] do remove quiet and splash from the boot options [03:25] cellofellow: How else do you think I got those boot messages? [03:26] maybe there is even an option like verbose that will give you more messages [03:26] cellofellow: I loathe and despise boot splashes [03:26] of course slap(self) [03:29] Mount virtual filesystems. Start udevd to handle device node creation, etc. Create base device nodes by tickling the parts of /sys that reflect the platform. Load essential modules from /etc/mkinitramfs/modules (and other force_load calls). Walk the PCI /sys tree for hard-drive devices and tickle those, also tickle the IDE, SCSI and i2o buses. Other buses aren't known to contain drives we support for the root filesystem. Attempt h [03:30] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UdevRoadmap [03:30] Bah, noudev didn't help this system [03:31] udev is the detection program [03:31] :) [03:32] I've dealt with systems that would only boot with that option === michaelpo [n=presario@60.52.8.123] has joined #xubuntu [03:33] Hrm... looking at the dmesg output of another system, it loaded USB mass storage devices and the actual IDE disks after loading SCSI [03:33] i ll look in mine too smart idea [03:34] udev actually isn't the detection program [03:34] Didn't they change IDE subsystems with 7.04? [03:34] I think it uses scsi emulation like everything else (sata, usb, etc.). [03:34] is it ? [03:35] udev is userspace, while the actual device detection is happening in kernelspace. [03:35] udev replaced hotplug [03:35] s-x-u: I thought it was, but maybe not. I thought it was something to do with linux 2.6.20 [03:36] i think tetragon is right [03:36] udev replaced devfs [03:36] I think hotplug is still there. [03:37] josh@josh:~$ dmesg | grep hotplug [03:37] [ 32.384000] pci_hotplug: PCI Hot Plug PCI Core version: 0.5 === m0u5e [n=denniska@c-24-6-100-103.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #xubuntu [03:37] odd that that was it [03:38] ok we know it now [03:44] tetragon: what is your next step [03:44] s-x-u: I've grabbed a 6.10 Edubuntu install disk. I'll see if it can boot [03:46] So, the 6.10 installer disk hangs at the same point in the boot process [03:49] However, I got it to boot with "noapic nolapci pci=conf2" [03:50] Options that didn't work with 7.04 when I tried them in two groups [03:51] no plug and play ? i dont no the exact word [03:51] Got 7.04 alternate to boot with "noapic nolapic pci=conf2" === pcfascist [n=pcfascis@74-33-84-241.dr01.jrdn.mn.frontiernet.net] has joined #xubuntu [03:54] Now the system is locking up during the installer's hardware detection [03:57] aargh [03:58] is there a possibility to only boot and read the logs ? [03:58] maybe you can find something then [03:58] Give me a moment, I think this time I have the option to disable the item it was locking up on enabled [03:59] It has now passed the hardware autodetection. The current kernel command line is: [03:59] noapic nolapic pci=conf2 hw-detect/start_pcmcia=false [04:00] now trying to install again ? [04:01] Erm... it can't find the built in NIC [04:01] nic = ? [04:01] Network Interface Card [04:02] disable networking [04:02] I'll deal with it later [04:02] Thankfully this laptop isn't a netinstall [04:03] im going to bed - i think you ll get it done [04:04] zzz... [04:04] tetragon: I think you've a goofy motherboard or something, if you have trouble with every single piece of hardware on your box. [04:05] it can also be the kernel ...zzz [04:06] maybe a different distribution (with a different build of the kernel) would work better. === maxamillion [n=adam@166.128.240.64] has joined #xubuntu [04:07] yay! My buddy maxamillion is here! [04:07] If much more goes wrong with this install, I'm burning a set of Debian DVDs. I don't trust this thing to my usual netinstall. [04:07] yes but if it is installed then he can also use the updatemanager [04:07] hi hi === inet_dude [n=inet@203.104.27.62] has joined #xubuntu [04:08] tetragon: debian = win [04:08] Hi, i've installed xubuntu/compiz/beryl. [04:08] without problems- but still no eyecandy. what gives? :( [04:08] which one, compiz or beryl? or compiz-fusion? [04:08] inet_dude: you have to turn them on [04:08] $ compiz --replace [04:08] maxamillion: Debian is my preferred distro. [04:09] tetragon: running etch? [04:09] well, first beryl- usually running beryl-manager on windows'll bring up the systray icon and from there it'll automatically load beryl. but its a no-go. then i tried compiz. [04:09] neozen: Depends upon the system [04:09] tetragon: ah [04:09] neozen: I have sarge, etch, and sid [04:09] tetragon: http://maxamillion.googlepages.com <--- all about me and my opinions about debian ... etc :) [04:09] And so far, the only fancy thing it seems to do is allow me to use shadows and transparency on windows [04:09] tetragon: which one's sid again? [04:09] zzz [04:09] neozen: unstable [04:09] neozen: the unstable branch [04:10] ah [04:10] maxamillion: you need to keep psuedogen.blogspot.com going more often. [04:10] neozen: Although on that box, I'll also occasionally add in a sprinkling of experimental [04:10] cellofellow: yes, there is a link to my blog on my google page and i plan to blog more often, i believe i will have a post by monday :) [04:10] heh [04:11] maxamillion: you're google page? [04:11] *your === Knightlust [n=dax@ubuntu/member/knightlust] has joined #xubuntu [04:11] maxamillion: dost thou work for google? [04:11] neozen: http://maxamillion.googlepages.com [04:11] ok, i have to turn 'em on- but where exactly is the program/setting? I've never used xfce before. am familiar with gnome's gconf-editor though. [04:11] neozen: heh ... if i become a lucky human being i might one day, but currently i am still a college student [04:11] http://tentra.googlepages.com is mostly used as a dumping place for LedgerSMB screenshots [04:11] neozen: that's a dream of his though. === maxamillion would love to code python for google [04:12] ahh... I see... google got into the free web hosting thing === michaelpo [n=presario@60.52.8.123] has left #xubuntu [] [04:12] tetragon: LedgerSMB? === maxamillion checks tetragon's googlepage === neozen would be interested in learning python period [04:12] maxamillion: A fork of SQL-Ledger [04:12] ...am working my way through dive into python [04:12] ...taking for-##@$@#-ever [04:12] ...damn java job getting in my way [04:12] maxamillion: I don't actually link to them on any of the pages [04:13] ok, am getting this message: beryl: Could not acquire compositing manager selection on screen 0 display ":0.0 when i run beryl [04:13] tetragon: lol [04:13] maxamillion: Instead there is stuff like this http://tentra.googlepages.com/lsmb-expiry-display.png laying about that I use to show the other developers [04:13] maxamillion: if it helps at all.. that would be my dream as well [04:14] all the texts passes though. i mean the GLX_* stuff. [04:14] maxamillion: but... I graduated... and now have a job... coding java [04:14] neozen: dive into python is a good book, i actually only got half way through it and then wrote a compiler in python [04:14] maxamillion: lol [04:14] neozen: that seems to be what most of my friends are doing as well [04:14] neozen: I didn't use "Dive into Python". I just used the Python tutorial (back in the 2.3 days) and rewrote a 400 line shell script. === Seveas [n=seveas@ubuntu/member/seveas] has joined #xubuntu === Dragonchaser] |[ [n=dragonch@dslb-084-056-111-237.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #xubuntu [04:15] maxamillion: must've been the best-formatted compiler ever [04:15] .....what gives w/ all the no such nick/channel msgs? [04:15] server go boom or something? [04:16] i am actually looking into doing some wiki development ... i told myself i was going to write pyGTK apps but i got lazy and didn't learn pyGTK [04:16] maxamillion: on the suggestion of my friends... I would say use wxwidgets instead [04:16] Who cares about pyGTK when Python already has a much more useful curses module [04:17] maxamillion: seems to translate better cross-platform [04:17] neozen: it was well formatted and very well documented but technically it wasn't a compiler by definition ... it would generate an object file full of assembly and then you had to assemble it... but it was a fun experience and a good project for my class, i got a B on the assignment :) [04:17] tetragon: lol [04:17] maxamillion: eheheehe [04:18] tetragon: actually curses is something i do plan to learn instead of pygtk, or atleast before i learn pygtk [04:18] maxamillion: the compiler we wrote in my compiler class was in java, it ended up making properly formatted assembly code that got fed through the gnu assembler [04:18] tetragon: do you have any good python curses tutorials/documentation i could reference in my quest? === cellofellow thinks he'll stick to wxPython for now. [04:18] neozen: yup, same way ours was [04:18] cellofellow: ::nods:: [04:19] cellofellow: its a respectable gui toolkit [04:19] cellofellow: have heard many good things about it [04:19] I need my stuff to run exactly the same on both windows and linux. [04:19] only wx gives me that one. [04:19] cellofellow: haven't drank the kool-aid myself though yet [04:19] maxamillion: I used the API docs on python.org [04:19] tetragon: oh .. heh, makes sense === maxamillion fails [04:19] maxamillion: And the documentation for ncurses (the C manpages) [04:20] ahhhh good ol' C ... the elegance that can't be denied but the language i prefer not to code in (i learned to love and hate it during my unix systems programming course) [04:21] within the next month I want to write a lighter weight googlizer in python for the xfce4-panel.... anyone think that's TOO ambitious? [04:21] I recently wrote part of a print driver in Perl. It was painful. Should have been C. [04:21] hardest part will be snagging contents of the clipboard for X [04:22] neozen: lighter weight plugin written in python for xfce? ... most xfce panel plugins are written in C [04:22] tetragon: perl is painful ... i learned enough to know i don't want to code in it [04:22] maxamillion: ehehehe [04:22] maxamillion: perhaps... but I'm not a C kind of guy.... not yet [04:23] maxamillion: and I've heard some horror stories about documentation for X [04:23] scary!!!! [04:24] That's why there are toolkits [04:24] maxamillion: $data |= ($xbm->xybit($x, 8*($row - 1) + (8 - $bit)*2 + 1) << ($bit - 1)); [04:24] neozen: its not entirely a bad thing, i personally thing python is plenty light and fast for a plugin and even application programming ... i personally think C should be left to systems programming [04:24] maxamillion: I feel the same... [04:24] I dunno, system-config-printer could be faster. [04:24] maxamillion: though I do love bit twiddling [04:25] Perl is painful for bit twiddling [04:25] Now, if you think Python is slow at all, Perl is really slow on my box. [04:25] thus the C for bit-twiddling [04:26] Most of the rest of the code isn't bit-twiddling, so it wasn't worth it to go XS [04:29] C is a very good language, but its a systems level language for kernels, drivers, and server daemons ... and thus i don't code in it unless i have to (since i'm not really a systems programmer for fun) [04:29] also add "anything that needs to be fast" to the list === cellofellow is glad Python has SWIG, so you can easily make C/C++ modules for Python. [04:36] soo many ways to gank the textual contents of the X clipboard in python.... anyone have a simple clean idea for doing it? [04:37] preferably one that plays nice w/ xfce and won't require nasty things like gnome or kde bindings? [04:38] neozen: i don't know off the top of my head but i'm sure there is a method for that in python-xlib [04:39] python-xlib... gotcha [04:39] lol... "maintainer still wanted" in bright red @ the top of the documentation for python-xlib [04:41] neozen: yeah, its a little depricated but pypanel (my favorite minimalist system panel) is written in it without issue [04:41] hmm... [04:41] not seeing anything in there [04:41] :( [04:41] gah!!!! my internet is so slow!!! [04:42] neozen: hey, not to be a nag but do you mind if we take this to #xubuntu-offtopic ? [04:42]