[01:16] <DanaG> Hm, EXA is broken for Savage.
[01:16] <Arwen> hmm, newest X11 updates killed one of my apps
[01:19] <DanaG> I wonder how well a Voodoo3 will work..... well, I'll be trying one on an Athlon XP in a little while.
[01:20] <Amaranth> DanaG: EXA is just plain broken
[01:21] <DanaG> Aah.
[01:21] <Amaranth> it never has worked well
[01:21] <MisterN> what's EXA? :D
[01:21] <DanaG> What is it supposed to do, anyway?   I was just trying it because I was curious, after seeing it under 'man savage'.
[01:21] <penguin42> hehe voodoo3 is quite old; nice card in their day
[01:22] <DanaG> Too bad NV killed them.
[01:22] <DanaG> Or rather, assimilated them.
[01:22] <BFrank> I don't understand why there isn't a symlink for cdrecord to wodim in gutsy
[01:22] <BFrank> does anyone know why?
[01:24] <DanaG> Yay, triggers are cool for things like update-initramfs.
[01:24] <DanaG> No more running it 3 times!
[01:25] <MisterN> heh
[01:26] <Amaranth> i believe that was ian
[01:35] <wailer> fyi - eject - t doesn't toggle the tray  state - only closes
[01:36] <Pumpernickel> eject -T
[01:36] <Pumpernickel> Commands are case-sensitive.
[01:37] <wailer> eject -T only works one way - if open will close - won't then shut
[01:37] <tyabux> I just booted gutsy tribe 4 live on a machine that uses nvidia 6600 and tried to enable desktop effects, but I was told I needed to enable the restricted drivers. I did, and it told me it couldn't be found. Has anyone been able to do this? Perhaps it has changed for tribe 5?
[01:38] <wailer> *open
[01:39] <pwnguin> is there a secret to getting mplayer to show up on the "other applications" menu?
[01:39] <penguin42> my Others menu is one hell of a mess - I'm not sure it should be a top level menu
[01:41] <tyabux> how can I find out wether the restricted drivers are available from archies.ubuntu.com?
[01:42] <wailer> try it twice in the terminal
[01:42] <DanaG> Is this "Xfwm4.5-svn" windeco theme the default for Xubuntu?
[01:50] <DanaG> How can I tell whether Composite is accelerated on my video chip?
[01:51] <Arwen> does it run really slow? no? then it's accelerated
[01:51] <Dusk_> hi there i've upgraded gutsy...but there's a firefox problem
[01:51] <DanaG> It runs decently quickly (xfwm4), but takes a lot of CPU when dragging windows.
[01:51] <Arwen> that's normal
[01:51] <Dusk_> when i try to open firefox session manager selection screen is coming but it'sbroken
[01:53] <LaserJock> ok, I'm wondering about about system-config-printer
[01:53] <LaserJock> it seems to work fine *except* for it keeps disabling my printer
[01:53] <LaserJock> so every time I want to print I have to go into system-config-printer and re-enable it
[01:54] <LaserJock> has anybody else had a similar problem?
[01:55] <DanaG> How do you drag something from xfce menu to the panel?
[02:07] <pwnguin> this should be dead simple...
[02:08] <pwnguin> how do i get nautilus to open a .ogg via mplayer?
[02:08] <Arwen> right-click -> properties -> open with -> add mplayer
[02:09] <pwnguin> then what?
[02:09] <Arwen> then it's done..
[02:10] <pwnguin> it doesn't work..
[02:10] <pwnguin> =(
[02:10] <pwnguin> mplayer doesn't even show up as an program in the list
[02:10] <Arwen> add it
[02:10] <pwnguin> you click add, and it comes up with a list of selections; or you can use a custom command
[02:11] <pwnguin> mplayer isnt a selection so i tried custom
[02:12] <Arwen> and then?
[02:13] <pwnguin> it shows up without an icon, and i still only get "Movie Player" aka totem as a choice
[02:13] <pwnguin> hold on, tracker just pwned me
[02:16] <pwnguin> technically, i guess its a .ogm
[02:17] <LaserJock> so you do have mplayer installed?
[02:17] <Arwen> pwnguin, it shows up as an option in the "open with" menu doesn't it? Just check it.
[02:17] <Dusk_> hi there i've upgraded gutsy...but there's a firefox problem
[02:17] <Dusk_> when i try to open firefox session manager selection screen is coming but it'sbroken
[02:19] <pwnguin> arwen: it doesnt
[02:19] <pwnguin> i just get a dialog
[02:20] <pwnguin> "open with other application..."
[02:20] <Arwen> screenshot. On the open with tab, there should be a "add". You can hit "use a custom command" and enter in your own.
[02:23] <pwnguin> Arwen: new and interesting datapoint: this works for local files, but not remote ones
[02:23] <Arwen> huh
[02:23] <Arwen> yeah, that's a limitation I've heard of
[02:23] <pwnguin> grr
[02:23] <pwnguin> stupid gnome vfs
[02:24] <pwnguin> or rather, stupid totem, for not rendering subtitles correctly
[02:24] <Arwen> heh. subtitles?
[02:24] <Arwen> who needs those? ;)
[02:25] <pwnguin> my roommate apparently :P
[02:25] <DanaG> Odd, my volume keys don't work in XFCE.
[02:29] <pwnguin> Arwen: im guessing that rather than set up a fifo or something to programs that dont support gnomevfs, it just refuses to hand it over =(
[02:41] <LaserJock> man, this thing is bugging me. I had my printer working just fine :(
[02:49] <ed1t> is there a mp3 support?
[02:49] <ed1t> with amarok
[02:50] <Dusk_> ed1t, yes it is
[02:50] <Dusk_> what can i do to return feisty again??
[02:50] <ed1t> what libraries do i have to down?
[02:50] <ed1t> i downloaded gstreamer ones
[02:50] <Dusk_> ed1t, ubuntu-restricted
[02:51] <Pici> !downgrade | Dusk_
[02:51] <ubotu> Dusk_: Attempting to downgrade to an older Ubuntu version is explicitly not supported, and may break your system.
[02:51] <Dusk_> pfff
[02:51] <ed1t> lol
[02:52] <LaserJock> Dusk_: reinstalling  usually works best
[02:52] <LaserJock> unless it's just a few packages
[02:52] <ed1t> anybody know the name of package i need to for playing mp3 in amarok/
[02:53] <LaserJock> ed1t: did you try to play one?
[02:53] <ed1t> yea
[02:53] <ed1t> doesnt work
[02:53] <ed1t> amarok just freezes
[02:54] <LaserJock> I think you need libxine stuff
[02:54] <LaserJock> I'm not on Kubuntu so I can't remember exactly
[02:55] <ed1t> it works in rythembox but not in amarok
[02:55] <LaserJock> yeah, rhythmbox uses gstreamer, amarok uses xine
[02:57] <ed1t> it worked
[02:57] <ed1t> i just added some xine packages lol
[03:17] <AnRkey> are there any problems with USB priorities in gutsy?
[03:41] <wfarr> has anyone been able to sort out the borked colors on Radeon cards at 16depth?
[03:42] <Arwen> 16-bit? why not use 24-bit?
[03:42] <wfarr> Arwen, it makes Compiz nigh-to-unusable
[03:42] <wfarr> 7500 Radeon here ;)
[03:42] <wfarr> 16depth works peachy except for the recent colour distortion
[03:43] <MisterN> wfarr: i recommend not using compiz at all.
[03:43] <Arwen> well, 16-bit color needs to be upscaled to 24-bit color on many displays, so that could be part of it
[03:43] <Arwen> you could just turn off some effects :-P
[03:44] <wfarr> Arwen, it's only existed with this last iteration of the radeon driver
[03:44] <Arwen> ok
[03:45] <DanaG> What exactly is Backing store?
[03:47] <DanaG> When I enable it, Xorg takes much more CPU power for lots of things.
[03:47] <Arwen> where are you seeing that?
[03:47] <Arwen> in Windows, backing store is the process of duplicating RAM to swap.
[03:48] <DanaG> It's something you can enable in xorg.conf.
[03:48] <Arwen> *shrug*
[03:48] <wfarr> it must be driver regressions
[03:48] <wfarr> using xrandr to rotate the screen makes the display go blank until you manually kill X
[03:48] <wfarr> =)
[03:49] <DanaG> It's disabled by default, anyway.  I was just enabling it to satisfy my curiosity of what it is, but it still hasn't really answered the question of what it is.
[03:52] <Pumpernickel> DanaG: It makes the server remember data for covered windows, instead of putting the burden on the client to redraw itself.
[03:53] <DanaG> So is it supposed to be good or bad?
[03:54] <Pumpernickel> It's supposed to be useful, sometimes.
[03:55] <DanaG> Right now it just seems to increase Xorg's CPU usage.
[03:55] <Amaranth> what's what?
[03:55] <DanaG> Then again, I _am_ using Composite with the Savage driver.
[03:55] <DanaG> S3 TwisterK.
[03:56] <Pumpernickel> This may not be one of those times, then.
[03:57] <AnRkey> how can i run a the repository chooser from the ubuntu installer
[03:57] <AnRkey> working on a vm that i wanna allow the repo to be chosen on first boot
[04:02] <jscinoz> Is the bug in the .10 kernel that kills alsa on intel based cards goign to be fixed soon?
[04:05] <klaxian> does anyone have problems where you can't move windows when running compiz?  also, window placement doesn't seem to be aware of toolbars
[04:06] <klaxian> is that a known issue or is my configuration just messed up somehow?
[04:06] <jscinoz> klaxian do you have window decorations?
[04:06] <klaxian> yes, compiz is definitely running
[04:06] <klaxian> effects work fine too
[04:06] <jscinoz> not sure then sorry
[04:06] <klaxian> i just can't move windows
[04:07] <jscinoz> i had the no window deco's for a while and obviously you cant move windows then either
[04:07] <klaxian> right
[04:07] <klaxian> it used to work in gutsy, but then it stopped
[04:07] <klaxian> perhaps something got broken
[04:07] <klaxian> or my config is messed up somehow
[04:09] <jscinoz> try doing an apt-get remove --purge for all the compiz packages
[04:09] <jscinoz> then reinstall with a blank config
[04:09] <klaxian> alrighty
[04:12] <klaxian> that won't purge my user config tho
[04:12] <jscinoz> go into ~/.compiz or wherever it is and delete it
[04:12] <klaxian> nothing in gconf?
[04:27] <jscinoz> dont think so
[04:28] <khermans_> my gutsy on thinkpad is incredibly fast!
[04:29] <troxor> has anyone noticed that dpkg hangs and zombies around halfway through a daily upgrade?
[04:29] <khermans_> all my gui apps are running amazingly quickly as of recent updates, what happened!??!
[04:29] <khermans_> this is great
[04:29] <khermans_> i have never seen gnome so responsive
[04:29] <jscinoz> Nothing khermans, ubuntu is always uber :P
[04:29] <khermans_> jscinoz, i have been running ubuntu since warty
[04:30] <khermans_> this is like never before
[04:30] <jscinoz> not sure :P
[04:30] <Pici> khermans_: composite desktop makes everything feel alot smoother
[04:31] <jscinoz> i wish compizfusion didnt hang my entire system on logout/switchback to metacity/run something else with hardware accel
[04:31] <khermans_> Pici, not compiz, i have it off
[04:31] <khermans_> jscinoz, yes i notice compiz/beryl fai lto work with fadst user swtiching
[04:31] <Pici> khermans_: Well then, I dont know.  But if it aint broke...
[04:31] <khermans_> :-)
[04:31] <jscinoz> i think its because of indirect rendering
[04:32] <jscinoz> which fixes the black window bug, but causes it to hang on exit
[04:41] <klaxian> now i'm not getting any window decorations at all with compiz :-P
[04:41] <klaxian> made it worse lol
[04:43] <klaxian> must be bugs with compiz i guess...it worked perfectly on feisty and on gutsy before a couple weeks ago
[04:43] <klaxian> something must have changed
[04:46] <t0phr3> anybody else having trouble burning gutsy to CD?
[04:46] <jscinoz> t0phr3 are you using the DVD?
[04:46] <t0phr3> nope just CDs
[04:47] <alex_mayorg1> Can anyone help me deal with bug #134827
[04:47] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 134827 in xorg-server "[tribe 5]  xorg  1:7.2-5ubuntu7 broken" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/134827
[04:47] <alex_mayorg1> maybe even confirm it
[04:48] <t0phr3> jscinoz. nope just CDs
[04:48] <jscinoz> hmm, im out of ideas, i thought it might be DVD, because the tribe4 dvd iso is oversized
[04:49] <t0phr3> jscinoz i never had a problem before gutsy
[04:50] <t0phr3> i haven't burned a successful CD yet
[04:50] <t0phr3> md5sum is fine on the image
[04:51] <hrp2171> hello
[04:51] <hrp2171> im currently running 7.04 and trying to upgrade to tribe 5 but can't.
[04:52] <t0phr3> eorror?
[04:52] <hrp2171> ran sudo apt-get update then sudo apt-get upgrade then gksudo "update-manager -c -d"
[04:52] <hrp2171> error was warning: could not initiate dbus
[04:52] <hrp2171> and
[04:53] <hrp2171> current dist not found in meta-release file
[04:53] <t0phr3> i always do sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[04:53] <t0phr3> doubt that is the problem though
[04:54] <hrp2171> what is dist-upgrade supposed to do
[04:55] <t0phr3> distribution upgrade
[04:55] <hrp2171> im going to try it
[04:56] <t0phr3> k
[04:57] <t0phr3> still no clue on my burning problem huh folks?
[05:02] <Hobbsee> t0phr3: i'd try not to get hrp* to upgrade, if he doenst know what a dist-upgrade is....
[05:02] <Hobbsee> t0phr3: my psychic pony is on holidays, your burning stuff contains very little useful info.
[05:04] <t0phr3> Hobbsee, forgot i put that in another chat
[05:05] <klaxian> this is weird...compiz is running and working, but i don't have any window decorations...any ideas?
[05:05] <Hobbsee> klaxian: gnome?  kde?
[05:05] <klaxian> gnome
[05:05] <Hobbsee> is gnome-window-decorator running?
[05:05] <t0phr3> Hobbsee: anyway, i download an image, check the md5, burn it to disk, files are corrupt, burn at slower speed, files corrupt, burn on another machine, files still corrupt.
[05:05] <klaxian> no
[05:05] <Hobbsee> unsure if it's named quite that
[05:05] <Hobbsee> klaxian: then run it.  that's why
[05:06] <klaxian> Hobbsee: no, it's not
[05:06] <t0phr3> Hobbsee: any ideas?
[05:06] <klaxian> Hobbsee: doesn't seem to run...
[05:06] <klaxian> it's gtk-window-decorator, right?
[05:06] <klaxian> it doesn't start
[05:06] <klaxian> just hangs
[05:06] <Hobbsee> t0phr3: is the md5sum correct between the archive version and the downloaded image?
[05:07] <Hobbsee> klaxian: no idea, i dont run gnome.  and i suspect it's supposed to hang, nad give window borders.
[05:07] <t0phr3> Hobbsee: yes, everytime
[05:07] <klaxian> Hobbsee: yah, it's just not giving borders :-P
[05:08] <Hobbsee> t0phr3: what are you burning under?
[05:08] <Hobbsee> t0phr3: as in, distro, and what program are you burning with?
[05:08] <Hobbsee> klaxian: hmm.  it doesnt mention it segfaulting or anything?
[05:08] <klaxian> Hobbsee: nope, just hangs
[05:08] <Hobbsee> klaxian: i'd check launchpad about g-w-d
[05:08] <klaxian> alright
[05:09] <t0phr3> nautilus and gnome-baker in linux, infrarecorder in windows
[05:09] <klaxian> compiz was working except i couldn't move windows so i reinstalled compiz* and now i have this problem :-P
[05:09] <Hobbsee> t0phr3: fails on all of them?  how weird.
[05:10] <Hobbsee> t0phr3: er, assuming you mean "corrupt" as in, doesnt contain the same md5sum as wehn you started burning?
[05:11] <t0phr3> Hobbsee: the CD check fails, you know the one that you do after booting from the CD
[05:12] <t0phr3> Hobbsee: yeah, get the md5sum corruption error
[05:13] <Hobbsee> t0phr3: ah right.
[05:13] <Chadwick|359> Anybody else notice their ipw2200 Wifi card disappear today? I don't see anything about it in launchpad or the forums
[05:13] <Hobbsee> t0phr3: hmm, i thought that the burning tools would actually let you verify the image as well.
[05:14] <Hobbsee> t0phr3: this was ubuntu gutsy desktop i386, btw?
[05:14] <t0phr3> Hobbsee: desktop and alternate
[05:15] <Hobbsee> t0phr3: how odd.  tribe 5 results came back fine for that
[05:15] <t0phr3> Hobbsee: yeah i tried tribe 5 as well
[05:17] <preacher> may be a dumb question but if i got tribe4 installed with all update current do i have to reinstall tribe 5
[05:18] <DanaG> Oh yeah, nvidia 100.14.11 adds two new features on my laptop:
[05:18] <Hobbsee> preacher: no.  just do the daily upgrades.
[05:18] <DanaG> Good: hotkey display switching,
[05:19] <DanaG> Bad: locks up Xorg, requring alt-sysrq-k, upon ending Compiz.
[05:20] <preacher> i thought so - so if keep up with daily upgrades when final release comes out will my system be equal to final release iso's
[05:21] <t0phr3> Hobbsee: so there was an actual bug on my issue?
[05:21] <Hobbsee> t0phr3: to be honest, it sounds local.  sounds like something wrong in your setup.
[05:22] <Hobbsee> t0phr3: the fact that 6 other people didnt find it, doing the same check...
[05:22] <t0phr3> Hobbsee: on all three PCs?
[05:22] <tretle_> can someone help me get flash working on 64bit gutsy firefox
[05:22] <tretle_> ?
[05:22] <Hobbsee> t0phr3: well, that's what i would have thought.  but if no one else can actually confirm it, there's no real way to track down the problem?
[05:23] <Hobbsee> t0phr3: the type of cd's might be my other guess.  *shrugs*
[05:23] <t0phr3> tretle_: i don't think there is a 64bit flash
[05:23] <t0phr3> Hobbsee: ain't that some crap
[05:23] <Pici> !flash64 | tretle_
[05:23] <ubotu> tretle_: You can run Flash, Real, and Java plugins in AMD64 bit computers with Firefox. see the steps to follow at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FirefoxAMD64FlashJava
[05:24] <Pici> tretle_: I dont know anything about flash on 64 bit systems beyond !flash64 ;)
[05:24] <Hobbsee> t0phr3: yeah.  if you can actually isolate the problem further, then that'd be good.  but if people have no way to reproduce it - ie, works fine for htem, then any bug you file on it will just get ignored anyway - or marked as wontfix - WFM.
[05:26] <tretle_> whats going on with the duplication in the panel does anyone know
[05:27] <tretle_> that bug has been there since at least tribe 2
[05:27] <tretle_> in places
[05:27] <Pici> tretle_: What duplication?
[05:27] <Pici> Do you have a bug # or link to the bug report?
[05:28] <starscalling> ~_~
[05:28] <alex_mayorg1> do I report this on dmesg APIC error on CPU1: 40(40) ?
[05:29] <t0phr3> tretle_: bout like the one for the intel ipw3945
[05:29] <t0phr3> Pici: [Bug 122602]  Duplicated entries in Places Menu
[05:29] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 122602 in gnome-panel "Duplicated entries in Places Menu" [Medium,Triaged]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/122602
[05:31] <alex_mayorg1> hey I have those dupes too
[05:31] <t0phr3> Hobbsee: not whining, i just use the power switch thingy and all is fine :)
[05:31] <alex_mayorg1> Documents and desktop
[05:32] <Hobbsee> nickrud: patches welcome :)
[05:32] <tretle_> and im not whining either
[05:32] <Hobbsee> t0phr3: i realise that - your thing is just weird.
[05:32] <Hobbsee> tretle_: likewise, patches welcome :)
[05:32] <tretle_> but correct me if im wrong but the panel code isnt very complex compared to other code which has higher priority
[05:32] <Hobbsee> probably not too hard to fix, either
[05:33] <Hobbsee> this is true
[05:33] <Hobbsee> the focus on bugfixing has recently started
[05:33] <Hobbsee> previously, the focus was on getting other stuff written, etc
[05:33] <alex_mayorg1> where do I start looking?
[05:33] <t0phr3> Hobbsee: i just can't get a frickin fresh copy installed lol
[05:33] <nickrud> feature freeze, why I waited to yesterday to install.
[05:34] <t0phr3> everything i have is upgraded from fiesty
[05:34] <cheeseboy> hi
[05:35] <cheeseboy> i changed my source list to gusty and did apt-get upgrade
[05:35] <Hobbsee> t0phr3: :)
[05:35] <cheeseboy>  and my power wen out during it
[05:35] <Hobbsee> t0phr3: i'd try with the cd testing for tribe 6
[05:35] <Hobbsee> t0phr3: or use an old tribe, and upgrade from that
[05:35] <cheeseboy> and now i get permission denied for everything
[05:36] <Hobbsee> t0phr3: probably more useful if you help test tribe 6, actually, if you're already running gutsy
[05:36] <cheeseboy> how do i fix it?
[05:36] <alex_mayorg1> try sudo rm the lock file it tells you
[05:37] <t0phr3> cheeseboy: please tell me your /home is on another partition
[05:37] <alex_mayorg1> Hobbsee, how do I get to tribe 6 already?
[05:37] <cheeseboy> alex_mayorg1: is prolly gonna give me permission denided on rm
[05:37] <Hobbsee> alex_mayorg1: time machine.
[05:37] <alex_mayorg1> sudo is your help as is -f
[05:38] <t0phr3> Hobbsee: i'm getting tired of waisting CDs
[05:38] <cheeseboy> th0ph3r not sure but proably not
[05:38] <alex_mayorg1> don't have that feature yet :(
[05:39] <cheeseboy> th0p3r why?
[05:40] <alex_mayorg1> do people actually checks https://iso.qa.stgraber.org ?
[05:40] <t0phr3> cheeseboy: because if it were me, i'd start fresh
[05:41] <Hobbsee> t0phr3: rewritables are your friend :)
[05:41] <t0phr3> cheeseboy: if /home had its own partition then you wouldn't have to back it up
[05:41] <cheeseboy> ubuntu should have system restore
[05:41] <Hobbsee> cheeseboy: indeed.  write one.
[05:41] <cheeseboy> i dont have anything important on /home
[05:41] <Hobbsee> cheeseboy: although, i wonder how windows handles an upgrade if the power goes out.
[05:42] <Hobbsee> alex_mayorg1: yes.
[05:42] <Hobbsee> alex_mayorg1: what about it?
[05:42] <cheeseboy> dunno but it works
[05:43] <alex_mayorg1> just wondering if it's worth to report on it
[05:43] <alex_mayorg1> I try to be a considerate bugger, given that I'm yet not a patcher
[05:43] <Hobbsee> alex_mayorg1: report what, sorry?
[05:44] <DanaG> Hmm, take a look at this site's color scheme:
[05:44] <DanaG> http://www.wiebetech.com/home2.php
[05:44] <DanaG> Orange and blue can work together, if done right.
[05:44] <Amaranth> but they don't there
[05:44] <Amaranth> too much orange
[05:45] <Amaranth> http://www.sitepoint.com/
[05:45] <Amaranth> that's blue and orange working together
[05:45] <Amaranth> they've been moving to less and less orange though
[05:45] <DanaG> Okay, how about just looking at the background?  Nice orange, anyway.
[05:46] <DanaG> I see no orange on sitepoint.  :(
[05:46] <nan444> hi
[05:46] <Amaranth> DanaG: well, only the logo now
[05:46] <Amaranth> look in the wayback machine
[05:47] <alex_mayorg1> Hobbsee: https://bugs.launchpad.net/~alex-mayorga
[05:47] <DanaG> What date?
[05:48] <DanaG> Aah, 2004.
[05:48] <alex_mayorg1> anyone having problems with the flash plugin not being detected by firefox?
[05:49] <alex_mayorg1> I installed it via aptitude
[05:49] <alex_mayorg1> and yet every time I go to a flash site it tries to install the plugin again
[05:53] <DanaG> Using granparadiso?
[05:53] <DanaG> Granparadiso doesn't see flash, for some reason.
[05:56] <alex_mayorg1> no it's 2.0.0.6
[05:57] <alex_mayorg1> where to report?
[06:00] <hylje> hmm
[06:00] <hylje> feisty package menager fuzzed up my X when it did its magic
[06:00] <hylje> might anyone know has anything been done for that?
[06:01] <hylje> what happens exactly is that the bitmap moves to the left quite a few pixels
[06:01] <hylje> the bitmap being the image "below" the mouse in the display
[06:04] <alex_mayorg1> DanaG, known bug?
[06:09] <DanaG> I don't know, actually.
[06:09] <DanaG> Oh, and I just noticed something in Xubuntu: checked checkboxes look grayed out.
[06:11] <tretle_> hmmm.... I was just thinking, maybe it would be good if gutsy64bit edition had the 32bit version of firefox included along with easy installation of all the plugins from the get go
[06:12] <alex_mayorg1> that would be cool, but gutsy is now in feature freeze if I'm not mistaken
[06:14] <Hobbsee> alex_mayorg1: it is, and i suspect tretle_'s request is unfeasible anyway, due to cd size.
[06:14] <Hobbsee> tretle_: you're aware of ubuntu-restricted-extras?
[06:15] <IntuitiveNipple> What would be the implications of reverting to gnome-session 2.1.18 (as is in Feisty) ?
[06:16] <tretle_> yes i know about restricted extras but that doesnt help very much in getting stuff like flash working on a 64bit machine
[06:18] <Hobbsee> tretle_: gnash?
[06:19] <alex_mayorg1> isn't gutsy supposed to include compiz out of the box?
[06:19] <tretle_> gnash doesnt have flash9 support only flash 7 which is pretty much useless seeing as most things use 9 now
[06:20] <Hobbsee> alex_mayorg1: it currently does.
[06:20] <Hobbsee> tretle_: suggestion:  complain to those who make flash, to make a linux 64 bit version.
[06:21] <alex_mayorg1> never mind I had to enable restricted driver
[06:21] <alex_mayorg1> Hobbsee: +1
[06:23] <alex_mayorg1> try here http://www.adobe.com/cfusion/mmform/index.cfm?name=fp_beta_feedback
[06:24] <Hobbsee> tretle_: you're not aware that reverse engineering is very slow?
[06:25] <DanaG>  /my major peeve is the new deskbar-applet.
[06:26] <alex_mayorg1> the backspace not working as back button on firefox is a bug or a feature?
[06:27] <Hobbsee> alex_mayorg1: feature.  you can change it
[06:37] <tretle_> im not saying they are reverse engineering it too slow, fair dues to them for getting this far. it doesn't make the problem go away though and until its fixed the user should have an easy replacement to use
[06:37] <tretle_> hence including 32bit firefox with the 64bit os
[06:38] <tretle_> even microsoft had to do something similar for windows xp64bit
[06:38] <DARKGuy> Greetings, could somebody guide me in how to submit a package for gutsy so I can send one tomorrow or 28th max. ?
[06:39] <tretle_> if there isnt a native 64bit solution to flash 9 support find a workaround
[06:39] <tretle_> that simple
[06:39] <tretle_> when a solution becomes available use that
[06:39] <alex_mayorg1> Hobbsee, thanks
[06:39] <DARKGuy> check the forums, flash works on 64bit... well at least on my feisty o.o
[06:40] <tretle_> yes i have it working
[06:40] <tretle_> but on firefox32bit
[06:40] <Hobbsee> tretle_: patches welcome.  also, ways of making cds larger are also welcome.
[06:40] <DARKGuy> but it works on 64 too o.o
[06:40] <tretle_> not firefox 64bit
[06:40] <tretle_> any time someone brings up an issue theres people like you with your generic cd responce
[06:41] <tretle_> grow up
[06:41] <DARKGuy> ..wtf?
[06:41] <Hobbsee> ....
[06:41] <tretle_> it gets anoying when you try and sugest something and people dismess it because of cd size
[06:42] <Hobbsee> .....
[06:42] <Hobbsee> although, i wonder if one would then stop putting 64 bit firefox on the cd.
[06:43] <tretle_> for instance a that flash viewer included with gutsy is pretty useless on the 64bit version without haveing 32bit firefox running to download the flash so why not replace that feature with 32bit firefox
[06:43] <Hobbsee> because that requires ia32libs on the cd, doesnt it?
[06:44] <DARKGuy> now that's messed up, why not to edit the flash viewer so it uses firefox64 instead? -.- it's so un-64 xD
[06:44] <tretle_> i think there should at least be a package availablein the main repository to get firefox32bit
[06:45] <jscinoz> Is there an ETA on when Alsa on intel sound cards running under the .10 kernel will be fixed?
[06:45] <tretle_> and a spae in yelp describing how the user can get flash working
[06:45] <Hobbsee> tretle_: just checking - you have to run firefox 32 bit with ia32libs or something, or in a chroot, right?
[06:46] <tretle_> right
[06:46] <tretle_> hence 32bit
[06:46] <Hobbsee> tretle_: how well does the chroot option work?
[06:46] <Hobbsee> yeah, of course
[06:46] <tretle_> emulation libraries
[06:46] <Hobbsee> no, not ohw does it work - how *well* does it work?
[06:47] <tretle_> firefox32bit on gutsy 64bit works perfectlyworks perfectly
[06:47] <jscinoz> what package can i find "ld" in?
[06:47] <tretle_> where as the 64bit version is pretty much useless
[06:47] <tretle_> if you want to watch flash video etc
[06:48] <tretle_> wich is what the common user does these days
[06:48] <Hobbsee> are there disadvantages in having hte 32 bit browser on a 64 bit system, under a chroot, compared to having a 64 bit browser natively?
[06:48] <tretle_> cant think of any off the top of my head
[06:50] <tretle_> id say there would obviously be a performance difference so 64bit might be able to handle more tabs than 32bit but how much tabs does the user actually use
[06:50] <Hobbsee> then i suggest you write a mail to ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com about why it might be a good idea to drop the 64 bit, and include the 32 bit firefox in a chroot.
[06:51] <Hobbsee> obviously, one cannot have both, and it would have to run in the chroot, instead of the ia32libs solution.
[06:54] <soulrider_> hello
[06:54] <soulrider_> got any links on how to upgrade ?
[06:55] <soulrider_> or 'upgrade'
[06:55] <Hobbsee> !upgrade
[06:55] <ubotu> For upgrading, see the instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes
[06:55] <Hobbsee> soulrider_: but if you have to ask, you probably dont want to run gutsy yet.
[06:55] <soulrider_> thanks Hobbsee long time no see :)
[06:55] <Hobbsee> :)
[06:55] <soulrider_> Hobbsee, yeah, why not :P my gentoo installation is working perfectly well so... :P
[06:56] <soulrider_> i actually isntalled ubuntu to try out gutsy
[06:56] <Hobbsee> soulrider_: if you can run gentoo, then you can read the documentation on how to manhandle apt and various other useful tools when things break, so you should be fine.
[06:56] <soulrider_> Hobbsee, that link only states how to upgrade to stable releases
[06:57] <Hobbsee> oh, hmmm, someone changed the factoid, or the upgrade notes
[06:57] <soulrider_> well
[06:57] <soulrider_> is it like in other releases? just change the repos adn thats it ?
[06:57] <Hobbsee> yep
[06:57] <soulrider_> i remember it was like that in dapper to edgy
[06:57] <soulrider_> ah, ok
[06:57] <Hobbsee> well, and update obviously
[06:57] <soulrider_> lol, yes
[06:57] <soulrider_> im gonna tyr it
[06:58] <soulrider_> i had such good time sint he kubuntu IRC....
[07:06] <DanaG> !aptitude
[07:06] <ubotu> aptitude is another terminal-based front-end to APT, like apt-get. However, aptitude can remember the dependencies installed with a package and remove them if you uninstall. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AptitudeSurvivalGuide
[07:43] <cdm10> How do I upgrade Feisty to Gutsy? I've got the latest and greatest update-manager, and I ran update-manager -d, but it's not prompting me to install Gutsy.
[07:43] <cdm10> do i need to enable feisty-proposed?
[07:44] <forevertheuni> hi..I'm having a prob while upgading to gusty
[07:44] <forevertheuni> invoke-rc.d: initscript netatalk, action "start" failed.
[07:44] <forevertheuni> subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 1
[07:45] <forevertheuni> ok solved
[07:45] <forevertheuni> I remove /etc/init.d/netatalk
[07:45] <forevertheuni> and remove and reinstalled the package
[07:54] <cdm10> How do I upgrade from Feisty to Gutsy Tribe 5? It's in a VM, so I'm not too worried about messing it up.
[07:56] <DanaG> Odd: setting mode_option for the module savagefb does not actually set the mode!
[07:56] <DanaG> Also, I can't seem to get the initramfs tools to load the module and set the mode.
[07:56] <cdm10> I have update-manager 0.59.23 installed, but update-manager -d just loads the normal update-manager...
[07:58] <RAOF> cdm10: Are you using appropriate quoting?  Last time I tried, I needed to run something like: gksudo 'update-manager -c -d'
[07:58] <cdm10> RAOF: I ran it without the gksudo... normally, update-manager does that automatically when you hit Install Updates.
[07:59] <cdm10> RAOF: the instructions on the website don't mention gksudo, perhaps that should be fixed
[08:00] <cdm10> RAOF: it also doesn't mention the -c
[08:00] <DanaG> ubotu: debian bug 416063
[08:00] <DanaG> debbug 416063
[08:00] <DanaG> argh.
[08:01] <cdm10> RAOF: I did gksudo 'update-manager -c -d' and it still isn't working... I just did sudo apt-get update, so my sources should be up-to-date
[08:05] <DanaG> How can I get initramfs-tools to run fbset?
[08:09] <DanaG> Right now it seems to assume that the module gets the parameter mode=XXXxYYY-RR
[08:09] <DanaG> but I need it to run fbset.
[08:10] <cdm10> OK, I'm REALLY stuck here... I've been gksudo update-manager -c -d-ing for a while and I haven't gotten anywhere.
[08:14] <cdm10> I mean, I've tried update manager -c, update manager -d, update manager -cd... nothing prompts me to install a new release
[08:14] <xtknight> what about dist-upgrade?
[08:15] <cdm10> xtknight: update-manager --dist-upgrade?
[08:15] <cdm10> the instructions on the ubuntu testing site just said to use update-manager -d
[08:15] <xtknight> yeah well i'm not sure how to fix that but if you just want to getit done
[08:15] <xtknight> cdm10,  in /etc/apt/sources.list replace "feisty" with "gutsy" then "sudo apt-get dist-upgrade"?
[08:15] <xtknight> google around a bit on ubuntu dist-upgrade to make sure this sounds correct
[08:16] <cdm10> xtknight: I thought that was frowned upon at this point
[08:16] <Hobbsee> cdm10: no
[08:16] <cdm10> Hobbsee: so... that's what I should do?
[08:16] <xtknight> i thought this was the same thing update manager did
[08:16] <xtknight> !upgrade
[08:16] <ubotu> For upgrading, see the instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes
[08:16] <cdm10> ok
[08:17] <xtknight> yea those should be the proper steps.  i recommend removing 3rd party repos beforehadn
[08:17] <xtknight> beforehand *
[08:17] <cdm10> well, this is pretty much a perfectly clean Feisty system
[08:17] <cdm10> I sort of wanted to do it "by the books"
[08:18] <xtknight> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FeistyUpgradesManual  (except replace feisty with gutsy, and edgy with feisty)
[08:18] <cdm10> ok
[08:18] <xtknight> is there anything wrong with installing a clean gutsy VM?
[08:18] <DanaG> Aah, I see something here: savagefb doesn't work the same way as everything else.
[08:18] <cdm10> xtknight: it's damn slow...
[08:20] <Hobbsee> xtknight: no - although it doesnt test your hardware
[08:20] <Hobbsee> cdm10: the dist-upgrade with the tool will probably crash - seeing as it's a WIP
[08:21] <cdm10> I think I'll just go with what I know, and install from an ISO
[08:21] <cdm10> at least I don't have to burn it first
[08:24] <hylje> how would i go about downgrading packages
[08:42] <forevertheuni> hi..how do I setup compiz?
[08:43] <forevertheuni> if I install 3rd party apps and fusion-icon
[08:43] <forevertheuni> the cssm doesn't control the running compiz
[08:43] <RAOF> Oh.
[08:43] <RAOF> Why aren't you using the packaged compiz? :(
[08:43] <forevertheuni> I was using compiz-fusion
[08:43] <BFrank> interesting
[08:43] <forevertheuni> well..it's compiz
[08:44] <forevertheuni> package anyway
[08:44] <BFrank> Gutsy is the first version of ubuntu that finally gets the refresh rate correct on my monitor
[08:44] <forevertheuni> + some plugins that came from beryl
[08:44] <forevertheuni> BFrank,
[08:44] <forevertheuni> lol
[08:44] <BFrank> what exactly is gutsy doing to get such a high refresh rate automatically?
[08:44] <hylje> BFrank: newer X
[08:44] <RAOF> forevertheuni: You know, compiz-fusion is installed & enabled by default in Gutsy, right?
[08:45] <anderbubble> I'm having trouble getting cups to print with an HP laserjet 1000.
[08:45] <forevertheuni> yeah
[08:45] <forevertheuni> but I had someprobs
[08:45] <forevertheuni> RAOF, I couldn't move windows and didn't have the cube 'cause the plugins were not loaded
[08:45] <RAOF> Then *please* file bugs rather than using other packages.
[08:46] <forevertheuni> and..when I loaded them with compiz-manager it didn't change a thing...I rebooted and it now works
[08:46] <BFrank> does anyone know why Gutsy install freezes on my machine when trying to partition?
[08:46] <forevertheuni> but I'm running fusion-icon and I think compiz is running from it..not from "normal ubuntu" procedure
[08:48] <forevertheuni> where am I suposed to configure compiz normally in gutsy?
[08:48] <forevertheuni> It's not a fresh install
[08:48] <BFrank> gconf-editor, right?
[08:51] <forevertheuni> BFrank, :/ use fdisk :D
[08:51] <BFrank> interesting, earlier versions of gutsy, like tribe 2 didn't have the problem
[08:52] <BFrank> I wonder why tribe 5 has the problem
[08:56] <RAOF> forevertheuni: ccsm.
[08:56] <DanaG> Can somebody help me with a regex I'm trying to make?
[08:56] <RAOF> DanaG: Fire away.
[08:56] <DanaG> I'm mucking around in /usr/share/initramfs-tools/scripts/init-top/framebuffer
[08:57] <DanaG> I'm trying to do the reverse of the line
[08:57] <DanaG> FB="${FB%%:*}"
[08:57] <DanaG> That seems to take everything to the left of the colon.
[08:57] <DanaG> I want to make a variable STUFF= everything to the right, instead.
[08:58] <DanaG> But I can't figure out how the percent-signs and asterisk work.
[09:00] <DanaG> Oh, I just figured it out.
[09:00] <DanaG> "${FB#*:}"
[09:01] <DanaG> Yay, now to see if initramfs-tools can be made to do fbset that way.
[09:01] <anderbubble> When I try to print a test page (or anything else, for that matter) I can see the job in cups, but the printer stays at "processing" indefinitely.
[09:06] <zorlin> Hey guys
[09:06] <zorlin> Who thinks its a good idea to start organizing some release parties soon?
[09:07] <Hobbsee> when do we release again?
[09:07] <arooni> can i resize NTFS partitions from within gparted?
[09:07] <Hobbsee> mid october.  hmmm.
[09:07] <Hobbsee> arooni: usually, yes.
[09:28] <anderbubble> I have now noticed that cups continuously reports "Printer busy; will retry in 5 seconds..." for my printer
[09:37] <anderbubble> Am I perhaps missing the firmware file? I don't have /usr/share/foo2zjs/firmware/sihp1000.dl
[09:44] <anderbubble> This seems to be the case. I downloaded sihp1000.dl from the foo2zjs site manually, and added it at /usr/share/foo2zjs/firmware/sihp1000.dl, and it works now. (This should probably be fixed...)
[10:09] <DanaG> Hmm, how do I let my machine respond to arp requests?
[10:43] <arooni> how do i format a dvdrw disk?  gnomebaker isnt cutting it ;(
[10:43] <khermans_> arooni, cdrecord -blank
[10:53] <finalbeta> arooni: try K3B as a burn program, it really is the best on nix.
[10:59] <whyn0t> hello
[11:00] <whyn0t> I need help with mdadm. I have a clean system on sda, an empty sdb and I'd like to construct my arrays from the data on sda but don't know which mode (Assemble, Build, Create) to use
[11:00] <whyn0t> I precise that I couldn't use the raid assistant of the CD and that's why I'm doing it by hand.
[11:02] <whyn0t> I also add that, yes, I just asked this question on #ubuntu. not that I like doubleposting but I just discovered ubuntu+1 and since I'm running gutsy, this question should go here
[11:04] <PC-Ente> huhu
[11:04] <PC-Ente> the Gusty install CD wounr run on my HP 6715s
[11:05] <PC-Ente> i tred aternate and Desktop
[11:05] <whyn0t> what version (nightly ? tribe ?). And what was the problem ?
[11:05] <PC-Ente> tribe 5 and tribe 2
[11:06] <PC-Ente> moitor turns black --- most time at "Parition mananger"  and nothing happens
[11:06] <PC-Ente> waitet 20 min
[11:06] <whyn0t> even with alternate ? wow
[11:06] <PC-Ente> Feisty Desktop and alternate worked
[11:07] <whyn0t> how are partitioned your disks ?
[11:07] <PC-Ente> and work still
[11:07] <PC-Ente> 80 GB HDD
[11:07] <PC-Ente> first 8 are FreeDos, this was there before
[11:07] <PC-Ente> is primary
[11:07] <PC-Ente> nex logical is Feisty 64bit because 32 dosent work with Hard-Disk
[11:08] <PC-Ente> than logical Swap
[11:08] <PC-Ente> logical Home
[11:08] <PC-Ente> free space left vor gusty
[11:08] <whyn0t> hmm wait
[11:08] <whyn0t> wouldn't a dimple distribution upgrade from feisty be okay for you ? or do you really want to reinstall from a CD ?
[11:09] <PC-Ente> i want to install 32bit
[11:09] <whyn0t> ok
[11:09] <whyn0t> you have EIGHT freedos partitions ?
[11:09] <PC-Ente> no one
[11:09] <whyn0t> ok
[11:09] <PC-Ente> no, one partitions
[11:10] <PC-Ente> sry that 8
[11:10] <PC-Ente> my mistake
[11:10] <whyn0t> no problem :)
[11:11] <PC-Ente> i want do test the Hard Disk with gusty, because with feisty 32bit i have nerly 1 Mbit write/read speed
[11:11] <PC-Ente> thats to slow...
[11:12] <PC-Ente> i also testing Fedora install DVD right now
[11:13] <PC-Ente> seems to stop at "Running anacoda, the Fedora system installer - please wait
[11:13] <whyn0t> could you detail your hardware (HD, chipset, ...)
[11:13] <Assid> wassup finalbeta
[11:14] <finalbeta> eh? I'm fine, nice to meet you.
[11:14] <Assid> hrmm
[11:14] <Assid> does qtparted resize parititons while retaining data ?
[11:14] <Assid> i need to resize these partitions.. create a soft raid
[11:15] <PC-Ente> http://ubuntuusers.de/paste/14168/
[11:15] <finalbeta> check the menu's, gparted can do it for a bunch of file systems. But I would take a backup for sure.
[11:16] <PC-Ente> and someone with the same notebook made a detailed scan under windows http://rafb.net/p/3GHWPB94.html
[11:16] <Assid> well.. i have a single  / parititon on the primary drive..
[11:16] <Assid> if it blows up.. i lose the os :(
[11:16] <finalbeta> Take backups.
[11:17] <Assid> hrmm
[11:17] <Assid> maybe i should make a file based filesystem?
[11:17] <PC-Ente> okay i quess fedora and gusty installer have the same problem
[11:17] <finalbeta> maybe you should stop making excuses to take backups.
[11:17] <PC-Ente> the hard disk is weeeeeeerrryyy slow
[11:17] <finalbeta> take backups!
[11:17] <Assid> heheh
[11:17] <PC-Ente> becase fedora reacted after 30 min
[11:17] <PC-Ente> "plasse wait"
[11:18] <Assid> alrite.. lemme see.. else i might just have it rsync to the 2nd drive instead
[11:18] <whyn0t> PC-Ente : strange that the 2 distros have the same pb
[11:18] <PC-Ente> pd ?
[11:18] <Assid> seems to be a hardware issue.. or unsupported hardware PC-Ente
[11:18] <PC-Ente> hmm
[11:18] <Assid> i wonder if i should upgrade to a quad6600
[11:19] <PC-Ente> i should use another one to test
[11:19] <Assid> okay anyone wanna give me some advice
[11:19] <Assid> i have a p4 3ghz prescott.. 1.5GB ram.. nvidia 6600GT graphics card atm..
[11:20] <whyn0t> PC-Ente > I think your AMD/ATI chipset is not fully supported by the current kernels...
[11:20] <whyn0t> maybe in gutsy+1
[11:20] <Assid> do i really need an upgrade?
[11:20] <PC-Ente> this woud be a long time to wait
[11:20] <finalbeta> Assid: only if the pc can't do what you need it to do. or does it to slow.
[11:20] <TheInfinity> PC-Ente: you can compile your own kernel. i have the same prob with a santa rosa platform and mbp :/
[11:21] <Assid> well.. i dont really find that much of a speed loss atleast not in linux
[11:21] <finalbeta> I have the same system specs. No need for an upgrade here.
[11:21] <PC-Ente> sounds like hard work
[11:21] <PC-Ente> but i would try
[11:21] <PC-Ente> if than WLAN would work well to...
[11:21] <PC-Ente> becaise bcm43xx doesnt work
[11:22] <finalbeta> report it as a bug, you shouldn't have to compile yourself.
[11:22] <PC-Ente> the hardisk thing ?
[11:22] <PC-Ente> kay
[11:22] <finalbeta> bcm43xx works. I have it on my laptop. Ubuntu configured it.
[11:23] <PC-Ente> dosent work at my laptop bcm43xx: FATAL ERROR: BCM43xx_IRQ_XMIT_ERROR
[11:23] <PC-Ente> kay i report the bug at launchpad
[11:24] <Assid> finalbeta: you ever gamed on linux through cedega or something?
[11:24] <finalbeta> Assid: linux is not for gaming. use windows for that. cedega is asking for troubles. I already waste enough time at normal bugs in linux.
[11:25] <Assid> i dont like to dualboot..
[11:25] <finalbeta> I wouldn't touch it with a 10 foot pole.
[11:25] <Assid> either i use win/ lin
[11:25] <Assid> actually.. alot of my apps currently run through wine :(
[11:25] <Assid> including my torrents
[11:26] <Assid> im thinking of shifting back maybe
[11:27] <Assid> the support for 3rd party and stuff is just too tempting
[11:28] <Assid> i really wish someone would give me some kinda input/advice
[11:29] <finalbeta> You are asking what you should do,, I don't understand that... You ask if you should upgrade your PC. do it it you feel you need to. If you want to use windows, use windows. Do what feels best :p
[11:29] <Assid> hrmm.. thats the thing.. total confusion
[11:30] <finalbeta> For some people linux will be a great choice. for some it will be a nightmare.
[11:30] <finalbeta> all depends on needs and hardware really.
[11:30] <Assid> well hardware wise i think its doing a great job
[11:30] <Assid> im tired of wondering when my machine will crash due to a virus or whatever..
[11:31] <finalbeta> I've been using ubuntu as my main OS for over a year now. And I'm still thinking of converting back. (not to vista though, I'll never run that again.)
[11:31] <Assid> but at the same time.. i want to be able to game.. and be able to synch my cell phone and stuff
[11:31] <finalbeta> some things it does well, some things it does horrible.
[11:31] <Assid> exactly
[11:32] <finalbeta> The reason I stay with it is that you can see it improve and that I like to learn.
[11:32] <Assid> yeah me too. but sometimes it just hampers productivity
[11:32] <finalbeta> If I was a normal PC user just interested in music, surfing and gaming, I wouldn't use ubuntu.
[11:32] <PC-Ente> damn black window with FEdora now, too
[11:33] <Assid> mines all that.. + development
[11:34] <Assid> mostly web based development
[11:34] <Assid> so dreamweaver and a few other windows app is pretty much helpful to me
[11:34] <Assid> and i dont care what people say about the alternatives.. there are just some apps that do it better
[11:34] <snadge> so use windows and dreamweaver then
[11:34] <davmor2> Assid:  What do you think of Kompozer?
[11:35] <Assid> davmor2: havent tried it
[11:35] <davmor2> it's the community continuation of nvu
[11:37] <Assid> yeah.. but seriously tho.. there isnt anything that comes close to the likes of DW
[11:37] <snadge> i personally dont see the fuss.. i use vim and firefox myself
[11:38] <Assid> snadge: i dont wanna have those issues like viruses and apps crashing and taking the whole system down.. and some dll screwing up something else
[11:39] <Assid> hence i keep scratching my head wondering what to do
[11:39] <finalbeta> snadge: if you used dreamweaver you would see. It really is a great program. But I got sick of webdev, so I quit that.
[11:39] <snadge> i have used dreamweaver a few times, it has some nifty features i'll admit
[11:39] <davmor2> Assid: I didn't say it did.  But it is getting to be a very useful tool slowly
[11:39] <snadge> but nothing i just absolutely couldn't do without
[11:39] <Assid> well wine is currently running dw for me
[11:40] <Assid> althought my license of flashfxp is going waste.. thats a brilliant ftp client
[11:40] <Assid> i still cant use vnc in listening client mode
[11:40] <Assid> i.e. people invite my machine to directly connect to theirs .. very useful if they are behind a nat
[11:41] <davmor2> foxftp/gftp/kftp(i think) and others
[11:41] <Assid> kftpgrabber aint bad.. i must admit.. but seriously try flashfxp if you can.. brilliant
[11:42] <davmor2> quite happy with gftp does what I need it to.  But then I'm low level.
[11:44] <Assid> hrmm
[11:44] <Assid> i stil gotta think whether i need to upgrade or no
[11:44] <Assid> cause i can same some cash as my mom is coming down from US.. i can get some parts from there
[11:47] <finalbeta> kftpgrabber is ok, it can do the advanced stuff, gftp can't do much other then make an ftp connection to a standard server. but yeah, flashfxp is the best. someone posted a patch to make it work. But like so many, it got ignored.
[11:57] <Assid> hrmm didnt find any patch
[11:57] <Assid> wasnt that supposed to make it to wine
[12:02] <fuoco> anyone knows if powerpc gutsy status is much worse than official archs these days?
[12:11] <jscinoz> in the file /usr/include/linux/input.h what is the BTN_ event for scroll wheel up or down?
[12:13] <pvandewyngaerde> jscinoz:  can you see this with xev ??   x events
[12:13] <jscinoz> Xev doesnt tell me
[12:14] <pvandewyngaerde> button 4 and 5 here
[12:14] <jscinoz> when i use those in that file, they simply act as right clicks
[12:14] <pvandewyngaerde> rightclick is 3 here
[12:15] <jscinoz> it is for me
[12:15] <jscinoz> but im sayin 4 and 5 act as additional right clicks
[12:15] <jscinoz> for some reason
[12:16] <petterah> hello, anybody else have problem getting 1920x1200 on their herd5 with gui tools?
[12:17] <petterah> max posible is 1600x1200
[12:17] <TheInfinity> non gui? ;)
[12:17] <TheInfinity> or i think kde offeres more then 1600x1200
[12:19] <petterah> hehe yeah, nongui of course, but... with the new gtk config utility :)
[12:19] <jscinoz> whats the command for the new gtk utility?
[12:20] <petterah> it detects my monitor fine, and uses nvidia geforce4 generic driver.... i think it uses nvidia, not nv, because I have some desktop effects... like dropshaddow on all menys
[12:20] <pvandewyngaerde> displayconfig-gtk
[12:20] <jscinoz> ah
[12:25] <jscinoz> can anyone confirm that KEY_SCROLLUP and KEY_SCROLLDOWN in /usr/include/linux/input.h correspond to the mouse scrollwheel up or down
[12:28] <pvandewyngaerde> 177/178    i dont think so, but i totally dont know
[01:10] <Tribe5user> I don't think the plugin finder for Firefox is working. Other people have the same problem: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox/+bug/134426
[01:10] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 134426 in firefox "[gutsy]  plugin finder service runs forever" [Undecided,New] 
[01:42] <soul9> whyn0t, j'aurais une autre question...
[01:42] <soul9> g un clavier qui a des touches multimedia
[01:43] <soul9> et je voudrais pouvoir utiliser les deux, donc je devrais changer les usageIDs
[01:43] <soul9> mais je ne comprend pas trop
[01:47] <soul9> whyn0t, comment je pourais avoir les usageids de mes touches multimedia
[01:47] <coNP> !fr |soul9
[01:47] <ubotu> soul9: Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.
[01:48] <soul9> lol
[01:48] <soul9> whoops :-S
[01:48] <soul9> ht ez ciki
[01:48] <coNP> !hu | soul9
[01:48] <ubotu> soul9: Magyar nyelv segtsget az #ubuntu-hu csatornn tall
[01:48] <soul9> lol
[01:48] <soul9> whoops, now that's definitely confusing :-D
[01:58] <tapas> does the graphical conf tool for x work in kubuntu too?
[02:27] <jscinoz> hey guys, im on a XPS m1330 laptop with an intel sound card, when alsa starts i get the following error: "ALSA lib control.c:909:(snd_ctl_open_noupdate) Invalid CTL default" and i have no audio via ALSA. What can i do to fix this?
[02:35] <fdoving> does anyone have compiz working with kde-window-decorator on gutsy? - kde-window-decorator crashes on me.
[02:47] <Do``> when i enable the window effects in tribe 5
[02:47] <Do``> all the window frames disappear
[02:47] <Do``> what am i doing wrong? :)
[02:49] <jeffferrari> rofl
[02:49] <jeffferrari> that was a prob in fiesty too
[02:49] <jeffferrari> google for "ubuntu window decorations"
[03:03] <stefg> Gusty herd 5 desktop fails to install on my testing box (p4, 1,5 Ghz, 256mb). ubiquity just dies and freezes the box when trying to partition the drive (i guess) how to get ubuquity to put out a log? I ran it from terminal, but stays quiet....
[03:05] <kenpokarateboy> >	hello! I'm trying to upgrade to gutsy tribe 5, but when i run update-manager -d, it outputs to the terminal "current dist not found in meta-release file", and then runs update manager, but provides no option of upgrading to gutsy. any advice would be greatly appreciated
[03:13] <Pricey> kenpokarateboy, i'm not sure if the update-manager can handle uprgades to gutsy yet... if i were you, i would backup then edit my sources.list from feisty to gutsy
[03:14] <kenpokarateboy> okay, i'll try that. Thanks!
[03:20] <Vorian> Pricey, update manager can handle it with some love bug #129392
[03:20] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 129392 in update-manager ""update-manager -d" in Feisty presents no option to upgrade to Gutsy (dup-of: 127263)" [Undecided,Incomplete]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/129392
[03:20] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 127263 in update-manager "update-manager cannot find meta-release info" [Undecided,Fix committed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/127263
[03:21] <Pricey> hehe
[03:21] <Pricey> ok
[03:22] <Vorian> :)
[03:25] <ubuntu> hi there
[03:25] <ubuntu> I'm testing Gusty tribe
[03:25] <ubuntu> works great
[03:25] <ubuntu> the only "regression" I have noticed is that my headphone didn"t work anymore
[03:25] <ubuntu> speaker is ok but mic is ko
[03:26] <ubuntu> works on Feisty
[03:49] <|Lunar_Lamp|> fglrx drivers don't load with latest kernel updates - I assume that's because the fglrx packages haven't been updated.
[04:26] <soulrider> hello
[04:27] <soulrider> i just upgraded, it all went smooth except for one thing, configuring initramfs-tools
[04:27] <soulrider> i know the problem is that i dont have enough space on my partition
[04:28] <soulrider> it it possible for me to remove my RUNNING kernel so i can free enough to config the new one? or can I delete my running kernel from my gentoo installation and from there dpkg --configure initram-fs ?
[04:29] <soulrider> also, i see generic and 383, are those the same kernel or different ones?
[05:07] <TerraMaster> !usb
[05:07] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about usb - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:08] <TerraMaster> !mounting
[05:08] <ubotu> Partitioning programs: !GParted or QTParted (also "man mkfs" for formatting) - Mounting partitions in Gnome under Dapper: System -> Administration -> Disks - For Edgy, see !fstab and !DiskMounter
[05:08] <TerraMaster> !fstab
[05:08] <ubotu> The /etc/fstab file indicates how drive partitions are to be used or otherwise integrated into the file system. See http://www.tuxfiles.org/linuxhelp/fstab.html and !Partitions
[05:09] <TerraMaster> !partitions
[05:09] <ubotu> Partitioning programs: !GParted or QTParted (also "man mkfs" for formatting) - Mounting partitions in Gnome under Dapper: System -> Administration -> Disks - For Edgy, see !fstab and !DiskMounter
[05:10] <TerraMaster> !Diskmounter
[05:10] <ubotu> To view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions - See also !fuse
[05:14] <sparr> apt thinks that knetworkmanager is an autoremove candidate.  how can i fix that?
[05:15] <TerraMaster> I've been trying to mount an external harddrive and nothing is working, any help?
[05:21] <TerraMaster> I've been trying to mount an external harddrive and nothing is working, any help? I get its showing up in lsusb but I cant do anything more
[05:22] <TerraMaster> !external
[05:22] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about external - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:22] <TerraMaster> !mounting
[05:22] <ubotu> Partitioning programs: !GParted or QTParted (also "man mkfs" for formatting) - Mounting partitions in Gnome under Dapper: System -> Administration -> Disks - For Edgy, see !fstab and !DiskMounter
[05:22] <TerraMaster> !fstab
[05:22] <ubotu> The /etc/fstab file indicates how drive partitions are to be used or otherwise integrated into the file system. See http://www.tuxfiles.org/linuxhelp/fstab.html and !Partitions
[05:22] <TerraMaster> !diskmounter
[05:22] <ubotu> To view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions - See also !fuse
[05:23] <TerraMaster> !fuse
[05:23] <ubotu> FUSE (Filesystem in Userspace) is a !kernel driver that allows non-root users to create their own filesystems. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Filesystem_in_Userspace for more on FUSE.  Some examples of filesystems that use FUSE are !ntfs-3g, sshfs and isofs. A full list of Filesystems that use FUSE is here:  http://fuse.sourceforge.net/wiki/index.php/FileSystems
[05:24] <TerraMaster> I've been trying to mount an external harddrive and nothing is working, any help? Ive found it in lsusb but I cant do anything else.
[05:25] <TerraMaster> Bus 004 Device 003: ID 05e3:0702 Genesys Logic, Inc. USB 2.0 IDE Adapter
[05:25] <TerraMaster> How do I mount this?
[05:28] <Pici> Unplug it, plug it in and look dmesg to see if it gives a devicename
[05:29] <deobfuscate> Is there still a way to use Emerald THemes in Gutsy and Compiz-Fusion manager?
[05:37] <soulrider> problem solved, i can honestly say my upgrade to gutsy was smooth :)
[05:48] <TerraMaster> [57203.786462]  usb-storage: device found at 3
[05:48] <TerraMaster> [57203.786465]  usb-storage: waiting for device to settle before scanning
[05:48] <TerraMaster> [57208.780562]  usb-storage: device scan complete
[05:48] <TerraMaster> [57214.555648]  usb 4-3: USB disconnect, address 3
[05:48] <TerraMaster> [57214.555808]  scsi 1:0:0:0: scsi: Device offlined - not ready after error recovery
[05:48] <TerraMaster> I get this
[05:51] <TerraMaster> ok alot more then that
[05:58] <Vorbote> TerraMaster: Can you use the device with other OS in the same machine?
[05:59] <Vorbote> TerraMaster: As well, have you tried using another USB port in a different root concentrator?
[05:59] <jg1> Hi I've hit some problems with missing dependencies in gutsy (specifically libqt3-mt missing when attempting to install libqt3-mt-sqlite), where should I report this (if at all)?
[06:00] <Vorbote> jg1: launchpad against the source package
[06:01] <Vorbote> If there was a very recent update of libqt3-mt, you may have hit an unsynced mirror.
[06:01] <jg1> What's the primary for gutsy?
[06:01] <Vorbote> archive.ubuntu.com
[06:02] <jg1> Okay will try directly against there first
[06:04] <jaime-san> hello
[06:05] <jaime-san> anyone here have any experience in ruby on rails?
[06:05] <jg1> What do I do with packages that are broken due to dependencies, do I report them against the package or its dependency?  (Example is cogito)
[06:05] <jaime-san> i have a question about setup in tribe 5
[06:06] <Vorbote> jg1: against them. It is either bad timing in repo updates or a problem with the packaging.
[06:06] <jg1> How long does it take for the repos to update?  Wondering if I should leave it a day or so before reporting it to avoid false positives...
[06:06] <Vorbote> jaime-san: don't ask to ask. Just ask and be accurate and precise. :-)
[06:07] <jaime-san> well I installed ruby on rails via repositories, and installed the oracle package from oracle's website, I can't find any documentation on integrating the two though
[06:07] <Vorbote> jg1: In my experience it is somewhat random. It depends on the source package size and the number of packages in the build queue.
[06:08] <jaime-san> I setup my database.yml file in the config directory to look at oci however it complains
[06:08] <jg1> Is there any visibility in to the build queue from the web?  If not I'll just guess at a day and after that report it
[06:08] <jaime-san> error is: ./script/../config/../vendor/rails/activerecord/lib/active_record/connection_adapters/oracle_adapter.rb:685:in `oci_connection': Oracle/OCI libraries could not be loaded: no such file to load -- oci8 (LoadError)
[06:09] <Vorbote> jaime-san: if there is no ruby db interface for Oracle in the repos, which there is not as it is propietary software, you won't connect no matter what.
[06:09] <Vorbote> You'll need to hunt down an oracle db ruby driver somewhere and compile it yourself.
[06:09] <jaime-san> sounds fair
[06:11] <Joe_CoT> hey, i dist-upgraded to tribe 5 last night, and my headphone jack doesn't work. I found a topic on their being a separate alsa slider for headphones now, but not for my card
[06:12] <Vorbote> Joe_CoT: you may need to run asoundconf to generate a new configuration for your card.
[06:13] <Vorbote> (That message appears when installing alsa-utils, but you won't see it if using Synaptic or update-manager and do not monitor the installation process...)
[06:15] <Joe_CoT> hmm, ok. do you know what the actual command would be? alsaconf help isn't all that helpful
[06:16] <Vorbote> asoundconf --help
[06:16] <Joe_CoT> yes, that's what i mean, and there is no man. if asoundconf reset-default-card was supposed to do it, doesn't seem to have helped
[06:17] <Vorbote> do asoundconf list
[06:17] <Joe_CoT> Intel
[06:17] <Vorbote> then asound conf set-default-card <card name detected>
[06:18] <Vorbote> If it only gives you Intel as a name, you may need to go digging deeper, checking the sound kernel modules loaded (lsmod | sort| less will do)
[06:18] <Vorbote> But giving it Intel as a name should be fine, in principle.
[06:19] <soulrider> hello guys! Ive managed to get Gentoo's bash colors working on ubuntu for all users, but they dont work unless i type 'source /etc/profile' every time i start a console. Is there any way of automagically running this command every time a console is opened ithout editing each users bashrc file ?
[06:20] <Vorbote> Add it to /etc/bash_profile
[06:20] <Vorbote> instead of /etc/profile
[06:20] <Joe_CoT> Vorbote: it's just the standard snd-hda-intel driver. ran the alsaconf command, and restarted alsa-utils. No change in alsamixer, and still no sound when i plug in headphones
[06:20] <soulrider> Vorbote, i didnt change /etc/profile at all
[06:20] <Arwen> ....
[06:21] <Arwen> Ubuntu doesn't have a /etc/profile. The file should be at /etc/bash_profile
[06:21] <soulrider> Arwen, it does have /etc/profile
[06:21] <Arwen> ah, oops
[06:21] <soulrider> so i append 'source /etc/profile' to /etc/bash_profile ?
[06:21] <Vorbote> Hmmm... Then it is time to file a bug against the kernel. I suspect there is something wrong with the alsa drivers because with my sound chipset I get a lot of warnings in dmesg that do not show up with a vainilla kernel.
[06:22] <Arwen> never mind, it belongs in /etc/profile
[06:22] <Arwen> *shrug*
[06:22] <Vorbote> soulrider: no. bash reads bash_profile instead of profile if it finds one.
[06:22] <soulrider> Vorbote, i dont have /etc/bash_profile
[06:22] <Joe_CoT> Vorbote: that's what i figured, I just don't know what project to file against. linux-source-2.6.22 ?
[06:22] <soulrider> Vorbote, the thing is i didnt change profile at all :P
[06:22] <Vorbote> that's the one
[06:22] <soulrider> should i rename /etc/profile to /etc/bash_profile ?
[06:23] <Vorbote> No
[06:23] <Joe_CoT> Vorbote: ok, thanks a lot! What should i attach? lspci? anything else?
[06:23] <Vorbote> I think lspci and dmesg for the errors
[06:24] <soulrider> Vorbote, i dont understand what it is i gotta do then =/
[06:24] <FFForever> why does it keep droping my download speed when downloading tribe 5?
[06:24] <Vorbote> add the commands to /etc/bash.bashrc
[06:24] <Arwen> FFForever, server load?
[06:24] <FFForever> Arwen, it was doing it also 3days ago....
[06:24] <FFForever> or well 2 something like that....
[06:25] <soulrider> Vorbote, if i add source /etc/profile to bashrc it stays looping until i press ctrl c
[06:25] <Joe_CoT> Vorbote: I found mine, thanks :) https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.22/+bug/134579
[06:25] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 134579 in linux-source-2.6.22 "headphone jack stopped working on vaio sz" [Undecided,New] 
[06:26] <rvalles> hi
[06:26] <rvalles> I've tried to upgrade to gutsy but I'm having a bit of trouble
[06:26] <rvalles> basically, set the sources.list to gutsy where there was the old one, and update-manager -d
[06:26] <rvalles> but it said it couldn't do a full upgrade, only a partial upgrade
[06:26] <rvalles> continued and all
[06:27] <rvalles> and it finished... but now I have tons of packages held back.
[06:27] <soulrider> rvalles, do sudo aptitude dist-upgrade
[06:27] <soulrider> see what errors it spits
[06:27] <soulrider> i upgraded to gutsy last night
[06:27] <Vorbote> No, I never said to source /etc/profile in /etc/bash.bashrc. MAy I suggest you read the manual page for bash, the INVOCATION and the FILES sections?
[06:27] <Joe_CoT> Verbose: I'm new to filing bugs. Where would i attach my info? Putting dmesg in the reply seems a bit much
[06:27] <Joe_CoT> *Verbote
[06:28] <rvalles> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[06:28] <rvalles>   libfreebob0: Depends: libc6 (>= 2.5-5) but 2.5-0ubuntu14 is installed.
[06:28] <rvalles>                Depends: libgcc1 (>= 1:4.2-20070516) but 1:4.1.2-0ubuntu4 is installed.
[06:28] <rvalles> and so on
[06:28] <Vorbote> Joe_CoT:  There is a small form at the left where you attach files, use that.
[06:28] <FFForever> Arwen, how come there are no mirrors for gutsy?
[06:28] <rvalles> that with every imaginable library.
[06:29] <Vorbote> FFForever: of course there are mirrors, the same as for the previous releases.
[06:29] <FFForever> where are they?
[06:29] <FFForever> ive looked at most of the us ubuntu mirrors and none of them have gutsy
[06:29] <Vorbote> rvalles: if you are upgrading from feisty to gutsy you need to dist-upgrade
[06:30] <rvalles> Vorbote: yes, I'm doing aptitude dist-upgrade
[06:30] <Vorbote> FFForever: that's a mirror problem,.
[06:30] <rvalles> yet, ot doesn't work
[06:30] <rvalles> maybe something is wrong with my sources or something
[06:30] <rvalles>   libfreebob0: Depends: libc6 (>= 2.5-5) but 2.5-0ubuntu14 is installed.
[06:30] <rvalles> this sort of thing
[06:30] <rvalles> if I aptitude show libc6
[06:30] <rvalles> it's 2.5-0
[06:31] <rvalles> and there seems to be no 2.5-5
[06:31] <rvalles> so I'm missing something
[06:31] <Vorbote> rvalles: hmm... Interesting. I really cannot say, I've been running Gutsy before the release of Tribe 1 and only had minor problems with the dist-upgrade then.
[06:31] <Vorbote> (because it was so close to feisty at that time).
[06:31] <rvalles> Vorbote: can you paste me the apt sources?
[06:32] <Vorbote> Sure, I'll use #paste
[06:32] <rvalles> use /msg ;)
[06:32] <Vorbote> Even better ;-)
[06:34] <Vorbote> rvalles: no luck. I'll use #paste
[06:34] <FFForever> does anyone else have this problem with ubuntu (and the soudn app) if you use the lower sound key on your kb and lower it all the way when you use the sound up key it won't unmute the speakers
[06:34] <Vorbote> rvalles: done
[06:34] <rvalles> 1366 packages upgraded, 295 newly installed, 20 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[06:34] <rvalles> Need to get 1519MB of archives. After unpacking 1566MB will be used.
[06:34] <rvalles> looks like it was sources' fault
[06:35] <rvalles> mirror had nothing or sth
[06:36] <rvalles> base isn't in the mirrors
[06:36] <rvalles> universe is, for gutsy
[06:36] <rvalles> curious
[06:36] <Vorbote> Ha! A paste channel with flood protection. There are some Einsteins afoot.
[06:37] <Vorbote> rvalles: http://rafb.net/p/MVeDHY39.html
[06:45] <rvalles> Vorbote: nice
[06:46] <rvalles> Vorbote: I figured out that mirrors don't have gutsy's main
[06:46] <rvalles> Vorbote: but they have universe, multiverse and such
[06:46] <rvalles> Vorbote: so once I put the main one you have me, it found everything.
[06:46] <rvalles> 2/j #ativo
[06:46] <rvalles> damn
[06:47] <Vorbote> rvalles: Great!
[06:50] <thomp1> can someone help me with a file issue I seem to have maybe lost some contents
[07:12] <antmangaka> hello :)
[07:12] <antmangaka> i have an issue :( , inm gutsy everytime i open a folder it closes and goes back t desktop folder ?
[07:13] <elkbuntu> antmangaka, check launchpad for recent bugs against nautilus
[07:13] <antmangaka> ok thank you
[07:14] <antmangaka> well, it works fine if i use open in new folder
[07:17] <kousotu> hey, I got a question about MP3 to OGG
[07:26] <Arwen> kousotu, yes?
[07:27] <kousotu> as answered in ubuntu
[07:27] <kousotu> but I do have a 2nd
[07:27] <kousotu> lol
[07:28] <Arwen> ?
[07:28] <kousotu> how to you mod volume on ogg files?
[07:28] <Arwen> by turning your speakers up/down?
[07:28] <Arwen> and why are you converting mp3 to ogg?
[07:28] <kousotu> I mean the file itself
[07:28] <Arwen> with vorbisgain
[07:28] <kousotu> Arwen, I ned it for an app
[07:28] <kousotu> 2 ogg files
[07:28] <kousotu> lol
[07:29] <Arwen> or rather, you said OGG, so I don't know. Vorbisgain only applies to Vorbis files (duh).
[07:29] <kousotu> lol
[07:29] <kousotu> anything for editing mp3 on linux?
[07:29] <Arwen> audacity
[07:29] <kousotu> can it be installed with apt-get?
[07:30] <Arwen> yes
[07:30] <kousotu> YAY!
[07:30] <kousotu> lol
[07:30] <kousotu> youever heard of Frets on FIre?
[07:30] <Arwen> no
[07:31] <kousotu> heard of Guitar Hero?
[07:31] <kousotu> lol
[07:32] <kousotu> Arwen,
[07:32] <Arwen> nope
[07:32] <Arwen> oh wait, Guitar Hero? yeah
[07:32] <kousotu> FoF is sorta like a GH clone
[07:32] <Arwen> heh
[07:32] <kousotu> but you need ogg and midi
[07:32] <kousotu> lol
[07:33] <kousotu> mid*
[07:33] <Arwen> midi lol
[07:33] <Arwen> beep BOOP beep beep BOOP
[07:33] <kousotu> lol
[07:33] <kousotu> well, it'd used to keep track of the notes
[07:33] <kousotu> lol
[07:33] <kousotu> even GH uses it
[07:33] <Arwen> heh
[07:33] <kousotu> lol
[07:34] <kousotu> and ppl say I'm nuts
[07:34] <kousotu> lol
[07:34] <antmangaka> hey guys, how do i change the way nautilus opens folders? its set to nautilus --no-desktop but i want it to use --browse, how do i change that to be default for everything?
[07:34] <Arwen> edit the nautilus.desktop file
[07:36] <antmangaka> hehehe, Arwen, where is that file located? :P
[07:36] <kousotu> shuddup Vorbote
[07:36] <kousotu> lol
[07:36] <Arwen> dunno, slocate should find it
[07:37] <Vorbote> s/I know/he knows/
[07:37] <Arwen> MIDI is like sheetmusic, you don't record stuff in it
[07:38] <Tm_T> ?
[07:38] <Arwen> well, it's not "like" sheet music, it IS sheet music.
[07:38] <Vorbote> Right on.
[07:39] <kousotu> LMAO
[07:39] <kousotu> <he
[07:40] <kousotu> ??
[07:41] <kousotu> Vorbote, make sense
[07:41] <Vorbote> Hahahaha! You show you are young and green :-P
[07:42] <kousotu> shuddup...
[07:42] <Vorbote> MODs or Tracker MODules. That was the format for digital music used in the Amiga
[07:42] <kousotu> ah..
[07:42] <kousotu> I wasn't around got Amiga
[07:43] <kousotu> I'm only 20 lol
[07:43] <Vorbote> Why do you tink there are so many dinosaurs out there who wold only let their AMiga boxes taken away from their cold dead fingers?
[07:43] <Vorbote> The MOD scene is still big.
[07:44] <Vorbote> and gstreamer can play them, yay!
[07:45] <kousotu> wtf?
[07:45] <kousotu> lol
[07:46] <Vorbote> kousotu: Check this interview http://amp.dascene.net/detail.php?view=5350&detail=interview
[07:47] <kousotu> Vorbote, I'm busy atm
[07:47] <kousotu> lol
[07:47] <kousotu> stupid thing...
[07:47] <kousotu> I had to save in .WAV
[07:48] <Vorbote> Mark it, that guy is one of the leaders of the ModTracker scene...
[07:48] <kousotu> I douch on Linuxn't surf m
[07:48] <kousotu> I don't search much n linux*
[07:50] <antmangaka> hmm editing nautilus.desktop didnt work :(
[07:51] <kousotu> ok, I need to convert MP3 and WAV to OGG
[07:51] <kousotu> what can do it?
[07:51] <jg1> Soundconverter?
[07:51] <kousotu> I want to use X btw, not terminal
[07:51] <Vorbote> Changing subjects. I'm having a strange problem with Kubuntu updated as of last night. I have it in a disk I move around for testing machines and when it starts up it doesn't find the network interface. But when I log in and use NetworkManager it finds the interface alright but not in eth0 but some other number.
[07:52] <Vorbote> Yes soundconverted is OK...
[07:52] <kousotu> what's the app name?
[07:52] <kousotu> soundconverted?
[07:52] <Vorbote> Soundconverter
[07:53] <jg1> Is there a 'getting started with gutsy' wiki?  I've done a couple of things to /etc/apt/sources.list that in retrospect seem to be obvious whenever you start testing gutsy but I had to find out about them myself.
[07:55] <AnRkey> how can i increase my usb mouse's priority on my system? I am having problems in gutsy while running vmware6
[07:56] <AnRkey> jg1, everything about gutsy is here http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/tribe5
[07:57] <Vorbote> jg1: if you mean adding external repositories, I doubt you'll find official information about it. Perhaps in the ubuntu Forums wiki, I don't remember the address off-the-top-of-my-head
[07:58] <jg1> It's more of a case of adding main to the basic archive (rather than using the CD which is how it defaults) and not using country-specific archives
[07:59] <Vorbote> Ahhh. Be assured that's a temporary hiccup.
[07:59] <kousotu> thanks
[07:59] <kousotu> now to go see if it works
[07:59] <kousotu> lol
[07:59] <jg1> Fair enough but it is on the tribe5 ISO which I assume will be used by everyone until beta1 shows up
[08:00] <jg1> So may be worth flagging somewhere (or are there not that many people testing it?)
[08:01] <Vorbote> Probably most of the early adopters have been running it for a while now (I've have since Tribe 1)
[08:01] <Vorbote> AnRkey: Check the following sysctl flags:
[08:01] <jg1> Fair enough I've just started with tribe 5 (bought a new computer so figured I'd put gutsy on there rather than feisty to see how it went)
[08:02] <Vorbote> dev.mac_hid.mouse_button_emulation = 0
[08:02] <Vorbote> dev.mac_hid.mouse_button2_keycode = 97
[08:02] <Vorbote> dev.mac_hid.mouse_button3_keycode = 100
[08:02] <Vorbote> Play changing values (although these ones only define keycodes...)
[08:02] <Vorbote> the lst two I mean.
[08:03] <Vorbote> jg1: So, that's a bug in the installer I'd think.
[08:03] <Vorbote> if it doesn't activate all the repositories
[08:04] <jg1> Well it points gutsy/main to the install CD rather than on the 'net, which I suppose would be okay for the final release but not at the current stage where packages are being updated so frequently
[08:04] <AnRkey> jg1, gutsy is still beta and not stable at all...
[08:05] <jg1> AnRkey: Yep just trying to work out which problems are misconfigurations/misundertandings on my part rather than real reportable bugs
[08:05] <Kousotu> working great, thanks guys
[08:05] <AnRkey> Vorbote, what does that have to do with USB priorities?
[08:06] <Vorbote> jg1: That's no bug, really. Just comment out the CD entry in sources.list and it will stop asking for the cd. We all have learned that in the school of hard knocks
[08:06] <Vorbote> AnRkey: nothing really, that was a shot in the dark.
[08:09] <jg1> Vorbote: yeah but if you comment that out then you lose the entire 'main' repository
[08:09] <jg1> First line of sources.list: deb cdrom:[Ubuntu 7.10 _Gutsy Gibbon_ - Alpha i386 (20070823.5)] / gutsy main restricted
[08:09] <jg1> Which is fair enough
[08:09] <jg1> But the next active line is:
[08:10] <jg1> deb http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ gutsy restricted
[08:10] <jg1> i.e. without 'main'
[08:10] <jg1> Which is what I was trying to point out, there is no default online source for 'main' in a tribe 5 install
[08:11] <jg1> I've fixed mine locally, but was wondering if that is how it is meant to be or if I should bug it
[08:11] <arooni_> folks!  i need to reinstall ubuntu.  i had a previous installation rocking with a 10GB partition for root and a 23 GB partition for home.  but now when i load up the partitioner.... i see that the 10GB partition is listed as : /media/sda1, and the 23GB partition is listed as /media/sda5.   what should i do ? ... i was thinking:  blow away the 10GB partition for /root/ .... create a new partition for home... and copy data from /me
[08:11] <arooni_> di
[08:11] <arooni_>  i mean: /media/sda1 over later
[08:18] <tehk> Anyone know if displayconfig-gtk will work with nvidia tvout
[08:20] <Amaranth> tehk: if not just use nvidia-settings
[08:22] <tehk> Amaranth, well I am currently but that does not support on the fly switching.
[08:24] <arpu> hi all
[08:25] <arpu> is this a known bug with the new kernel ? my isign cam does not work :-(
[08:25] <arpu> with the old kernel i get it working with http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=225621
[08:25] <arpu> but no cam with new kernel
[08:25] <Ketsuban> Hi, I'm trying to get nVidia drivers working with my 8xxx-series cards; I found http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=514161 but can't follow its instructions since it requires me to drop to the commandline and disable gdm. If X is disabled then I get a blank screen and nothing else, so I'm kinda stuck there. I'm hoping there's a script of some sort which does the job for me, since Envy doesn't work in gutsy.
[08:30] <TheInfinity> hello ...
[08:31] <TheInfinity> did someone try installing gutsy via alternate cd?
[08:31] <TheInfinity> i get an error while configuration of software
[08:31] <TheInfinity> and i dont know if its the cd or not.
[08:31] <TheInfinity> installing command line kubuntu works.
[08:32] <AnRkey> TheInfinity, have u checked the iso's md5sum?
[08:39] <PriceChild> ra12q, what was wrong with the restricted driver manager?
[08:39] <PriceChild> it has the _LATEST_ driver in there?
[08:39] <ra12q> nothing I suppose.
[08:40] <PriceChild> so why didn't you use it...?
[08:40] <PriceChild> because that works ;)
[08:40] <PriceChild> and is supported by ubuntu seen as its packaged for ubuntu
[08:40] <ra12q> I'll let this dist-upgrade run and use ti.
[08:43] <justintime32> hi, are there any ubuntu devs in here?
[08:43] <nosrednaekim> justintime32: usually they hang out over at #ubuntu-motu
[08:44] <justintime32> ok, thanks
[08:44] <TheInfinity> AnRkey: hmpf. reboot because i cant access hfs+ until now ;)
[08:44] <justintime32> does anyone know why there are no more login sounds?
[08:44] <Arwen> because they're annoying :-P
[08:45] <justintime32> yeah, but i like them :(
[08:45] <arpu> no one have a problem with new kernel and isight cam ?
[08:45] <aman> hi everone
[08:45] <aman> plz help
[08:45] <justintime32> i think the stupid console beep is more annoying
[08:45] <BinaryMutant> how do i stop compiz from starting by default?
[08:46] <justintime32> go to the appearance utility
[08:46] <justintime32> on the desktop effects tab, select "No effects"
[08:46] <PriceChild> BinaryMutant, system > preferences > appearance, choose the desktop effects tab and turn it down to no effects.
[08:46] <justintime32> yup :)
[08:46] <Pici> !ask | aman
[08:46] <ubotu> aman: Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[08:47] <aman> PriceChild plz tell me how to setup internet connection in ubuntu 7.04
[08:47] <PriceChild> aman, #ubuntu please
[08:47] <BinaryMutant> thats cool, thanks
[08:47] <justintime32> wrong channel
[08:47] <BinaryMutant> if I remove evms will it do anything bad to my system?
[08:47] <PriceChild> Its not often there's a feisty user in #ubuntu+1...
[08:48] <justintime32> is anyone in here using the bcm43xx driver?
[08:49] <BinaryMutant> I don't think that driver works
[08:49] <AnRkey> TheInfinity, i never get corruption and on friday i just could not install gutsy from live cd
[08:49] <justintime32> it does, i've  used it before
[08:49] <justintime32> not for a while though
[08:49] <AnRkey> TheInfinity, checked the md5sum and it's wrong
[08:49] <TheInfinity> i installed from alternate
[08:49] <justintime32> i was wondering if it could operate at 54 Mb/s yet
[08:49] <AnRkey> TheInfinity, all that after 2 hours of messing around :D
[08:49] <BinaryMutant> I've always got errors for it, broadcom isn't very nice to linux users
[08:50] <justintime32> do you have the firmware installed
[08:50] <TheInfinity> because its almost impossible to install from live cd ;)
[08:50] <TheInfinity> because its a mac
[08:50] <AnRkey> i now make sure that all network cards in our company are intel
[08:50] <AnRkey> no more problems
[08:50] <TheInfinity> i boot into mac osx and check the md5sum there
[08:50] <TheInfinity> hfs+ problem comes later ...
[08:50] <AnRkey> i just don't buy hardware from vendors that don't support us. So i won't support them :D
[08:52] <TheInfinity> okay ...
[08:53] <justintime32> is it weird that I haven't gotten any updates since upgrading to gutsy, which was a couple days ago?
[08:53] <justintime32> oh, wait, xorg update :)
[08:55] <TheInfinity> hmm
[08:55] <TheInfinity> md5sum is correct ...
[08:55] <TheInfinity> and validation of data after burning was also ok ...
[08:56] <justintime32> what is the command to start compiz if it crashes
[08:56] <justintime32> isn't it compiz --replace &
[08:56] <justintime32> or something
[08:57] <justintime32> yup, it is
[08:57] <nemik> is the poor signal quality on thinkpads with ar5212's fixed or identified what is wrong?
[08:57] <rexy_> when doing the upgrade, does it need to reboot and fetch more packages? since i'll have to fix the network first
[08:57] <Arwen> usually no
[08:57] <TheInfinity> AnRkey: and now? bug report? just for test burning to another cd?
[08:58] <rexy_> i was reading on the wiki about reporting how stuff works with the new release, should i just create a new page or is there a submission form where you can check off all the stuff that works?
[08:59] <rexy_> and whine extensively about what doesnt off course
[09:01] <DanaG> Oh, I've used bcm43xx (with a cardbus card), and I found that every so often the connection would just randomly die, and I'd have to remove and reinsert the card, or at least the driver.
[09:03] <Asad2005> is it safe to upgrade from 7.04 to tribe 5 and what is the best way to do it
[09:04] <AnRkey> TheInfinity, ?
[09:04] <TheInfinity> Asad2005: alpha softwareis never save ;)
[09:04] <TheInfinity> my md5 sum is correct ...
[09:05] <AnRkey> TheInfinity, chat to the boys and girls in #ubuntu-installer, they helped me out with the network instalelr
[09:05] <AnRkey> installer at least
[09:05] <Asad2005> TheInfinity, ok whats the best way to upgrade
[09:06] <TheInfinity> Asad2005: if you want a safe update -> waiting for final
[09:06] <TheInfinity> if you want to test -> use the way you like and write bug reports if it failes ;9
[09:07] <Asad2005> TheInfinity, i will accept some risk but want to know the best way to upgrade ubuntu
[09:07] <TheInfinity> the best way is console I think, the way which should be the best is GUI :)
[09:08] <soulrider> !bugs
[09:08] <ubotu> If you find a bug in Ubuntu or any of its derivatives, please file a bug report at: http://bugs.ubuntu.com/  -  Bugs in/wishes for the bots can be filed at http://launchpad.net/products/ubuntu-bots
[09:10] <Ketsuban> I daresay you're probably all sick of hearing people ask the same question about nVidia drivers and 8xxx-series cards, but whatever. I'm looking to install nVidia drivers so I can turn on lots of nice eyecandy effects and make the most of my 8800 GTX, but the drivers in the repository just lead to X not loading correctly (and since the commandline is not working correctly for me I can't do anything about that short of use th
[09:10] <Ketsuban> e CD to replace xorg.conf and try something else).
[09:16] <jtt> can anyone shed some light on the UUID's changing when installing a second feisty on another partition
[09:16] <jtt> i know it is a problem just looking for the fix
[09:16] <jtt> i can get around it but just wondering what is doing it and if it is addressed
[09:19] <soulrider> does anyuone have a problem with gnome not wanting to shut down? if i clickt he quit button it locks up =/
[09:21] <BinaryMutant> does deskbar use trackerd now?
[09:22] <Distro^Junkie> just installed Tribe 5 and so far only major problem is the menu is messed up with alot of entries of _: Entries in K-Menu
[09:24] <TheInfinity> hmpf.
[09:25] <Distro^Junkie> ??
[09:25] <Distro^Junkie> TheInfinity: whats wrong ?
[09:26] <TheInfinity> in ubunu-installer is noone and i just want to know if i should write a bug report or not ;)
[09:27] <TheInfinity> and does somebody try kubuntu alpha and can look if some bugs work with his / her kubuntu, too?
[09:28] <Assid> hrmm
[09:28] <Assid> i still think the kernel is slow
[09:28] <Distro^Junkie> TheInfinity: I'm running the latest alpha myself
[09:29] <TheInfinity> also kubuntu? or ubuntu?
[09:30] <Distro^Junkie> kubuntu
[09:31] <TheInfinity> hmm ... do you have any probs with knetworkmanager?
[09:31] <Distro^Junkie> haven't tried it
[09:32] <Distro^Junkie> I just finished installing the system
[09:32] <TheInfinity> http://files.ernestoruge.de/misc/bugs/Netzwerkkarte2.png <-- just look at this ;)
[09:32] <TheInfinity> and look if you also dont get a subnet mask
[09:33] <TheInfinity> and - is your rj45 loaded after boot?
[09:35] <Distro^Junkie> everything looks good here
[09:36] <Distro^Junkie> what version you running ?
[09:36] <Vuen> hey guys, every time i log in i get a message "unable to start kbluetooth: no bluetooth adapter found!" anyone know what's up?
[09:36] <Distro^Junkie> alpha 5 ?
[09:37] <Distro^Junkie> brb gotta reboot
[09:38] <DanaG> Networkmanger seems buggy lately -- for some reason, if I have ethernet plugged in before it starts, then NetworkManager doesn't detect that the connection is up.
[09:39] <DanaG> And the NVIDIA 100.14.11 has that lovely freeze on Compiz exit.
[09:39] <chris_> how do i get my wobbly windows back???
[09:39] <chris_> beryl is not in the repo :(
[09:40] <chris_> i miss my cube and fade effects.....
[09:41] <chris_> anyone wanna tell me?
[09:41] <Arwen> Beryl is DEAD SOFTWARE
[09:42] <Arwen> that's why it's not distributed anymore
[09:42] <chris_> ok................., how do i get my cube and transparency effects back?, and my wobbly windows
[09:43] <Arwen> compiz....
[09:43] <chris_> its running by default?
[09:43] <Arwen> no
[09:43] <chris_> i am not running meta city by default.....
[09:44] <Arwen> If you use complete English sentences, it would be easier to understand you.
[09:45] <chris_> ..., how do i enable compiz.... (since you say its not enabled by default..........) with wobbly windows and the cube effects enabled.
[09:46] <DanaG> Oh, here's something GOOD about 100.14.11: hotkey display switching.
[09:46] <DanaG> AT least on my laptop.
[09:46] <DanaG> However, it doesn't change screen resolution, for some reason -- instead, it goes into panning mode.
[09:48] <chris_> any one want to help me?
[09:50] <jgm> chris_: http://www.sourceguru.net/archives/71 has some details
[09:51] <chris_> jgm i don't have a compiz tray icon....
[09:52] <jgm> Once you have followed the instructions in the link on that page then you can type that in to the console to get it
[09:52] <lacostej> heiehi
[09:52] <jgm> (Or possibly it just shows up, I can't remember, but I set that up yesterday so it does work)
[09:53] <lacostej> I just upgraded my laptop from feisty to gutsy and am running into some fonts issues
[09:53] <lacostej> the browser looks very ugly
[09:53] <lacostej> small fonts, no bold (in gmail), etc... pidgin on the other side looks OK
[09:54] <chris_> jgm, how come ccsm does not come standard with gutsy?
[09:54] <jgm> No idea
[09:54] <Amaranth> because it's not a tool for regular users
[09:55] <Amaranth> it's in universe
[09:55] <Amaranth> !info compizconfig-settings-manager
[09:55] <ubotu> compizconfig-settings-manager: Compiz configuration settings manager. In component universe, is extra. Version 0.5.2+git20070814-0ubuntu1 (gutsy), package size 493 kB, installed size 3180 kB
[09:56] <Distro^Junkie> anyone here have their k-menu messed up ?
[09:57] <Distro^Junkie> like a bunch of _: Entries in K-meni
[09:57] <Distro^Junkie> k-menu*
[09:58] <lacostej> next time I search the web before asking something...
[10:00] <rexy_> you found what caused it lacostej ?
[10:01] <lacostej> rexy_: trying a fix...
[10:03] <rexy_> upgrading my laptop atm too, heh
[10:04] <lacostej> rexy_: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox/+bug/120811
[10:04] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 120811 in firefox "firefox displays fonts smaller than it should have" [Undecided,Confirmed] 
[10:06] <chris_> how do i change the number of desktops i have?
[10:29] <rexy_> hmm all cups related packages failed to install, bug says this was fixed for tribe 5
[10:29] <rexy_> cups-pdf n such
[10:30] <DanaG> WTF?  I scroll a little on the touchpad, and then let go, and it keeps scrolling all the way to the bottom of the page.
[10:30] <DanaG> What's up with that?
[10:30] <DanaG> And how do I disable that feature?
[10:33] <ropiku_> can anybody help me with some problems on gutsy
[10:34] <_cap__> I'm sure people would prefer if you told them what the problem is...
[10:34] <ropiku_> i have many problems
[10:34] <ropiku_> one is the same in edgy
[10:34] <AnRkey> DanaG, disable the touchpad?
[10:34] <ropiku_> a bar of 1px tall and about 300px wide that appears in the left of the screen and in the right of the screen. The contents of both are interchanged (what should appear on left apears on right)
[10:36] <_cap__> has anyone tried livecd -> usb drive with gutsy?
[10:36] <_cap__> I can get it to boot to "squashfs: version..." but it hangs there (this is tribe5 using the wiki guide for livecdusbpenpersistent)
[10:38] <rexy_> ropiku_, what card?
[10:38] <ropiku_> rexy_ 950GMA, intel integrated
[10:38] <DanaG> Heh, here's something entirely pointless: http://www.nero.com/eng/NeroLINUX.html
[10:38] <rexy_> lcd then?
[10:38] <DanaG> But I want to use the touchpad; I just want to ddisable coasting.
[10:39] <ropiku_> rexy_, well, I have tried with tribe2 and it worked, I have a laptop with 1400x1050 screen
[10:40] <rexy_> hmm, funky xorg settings? recalibrate lcd screen?
[10:40] <rexy_> altough i cant imagine the latter, ussually it just crops for me
[10:40] <ropiku_> now I can't play videos. it gives "BadAlloc (insufficient resources for operation)"
[10:41] <rexy_> heu that sounds bad
[10:41] <zerwas> Is someone here who uses gimmie? http://www.beatniksoftware.com/gimmie/Main_Page
[10:41] <ropiku_> I can give you the xorg conf if you need
[10:41] <ropiku_> yeah, it's weird
[10:41] <rexy_> sounds like it's just a case of broken software
[10:42] <rexy_> ok lets stop with stating the obvious things, post your xorg.conf, maybe that's causing it
[10:42] <rexy_> or try the vesa driver
[10:42] <rexy_> that is the basic default thing iirc, see if it gives the same problem
[10:42] <rexy_> if it's not the driver or xorg.conf then i'd just downgrade X to a previous version
[10:43] <rexy_> see if that fixes it
[10:43] <ropiku_> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/35167/
[10:43] <ropiku_> i'll try vesa now
[10:44] <zerwas> ok, someone here who has an ATI Rage Mobility-Card?
[10:44] <_cap__> is there a way to get gutsy live to boot to mega-failsafe-single-user-text or something? (debugging this pendrive boot...)
[10:45] <ropiku> well, on vesa I don't have that weird pixel bar
[10:46] <ropiku> and videos work
[10:46] <rexy_> drivers it is  then
[10:46] <ropiku> so it's from the intel driver ?
[10:46] <rexy_> well the evidence suggests that, since you only changed the driver
[10:46] <ropiku> yeah
[10:46] <rexy_> either downgrade to get a working intel driver, or wait for a new patch
[10:46] <rexy_> also file a bug about it
[10:47] <rexy_> search for it first though, see if it's already listed and add to that.
[10:47] <ropiku> ok
[10:47] <rexy_> the joys of alpha :)
[10:47] <ropiku> well, I thought I was using new software that fixed old bugs
[10:49] <ropiku> xserver-xorg-video-intel on launchpad is ok to file bug ?
[10:49] <rexy_> no you are using experimental software that is being fixed for release
[10:49] <rexy_> i'd guess so
[10:50] <ropiku> so where?
[10:50] <davmor2> rexy: what the trouble?
[10:50] <rexy_> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/
[10:51] <rexy_> http://wiki.ubuntu.com/HelpingWithBugs
[10:51] <rexy_> davmor2,  nothing yet, well cups failed to install, but other then that it's still installing
[10:51] <ropiku> thanks a lot
[10:53] <davmor2> bug 134284 for the intel trouble
[10:53] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 134284 in xorg "The X intel driver is not functioning correctly" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/134284
[10:54] <davmor2> the above bug comes with a work around for the intel driver
[10:54] <_cap__> is there a boot option to disable apparmour?
[10:55] <rexy_> _cap__, you can disable the service, that prevents the apparmor profiles from being applied
[10:55] <rexy_> they are a good thing to have though if you are running any services on the internet
[10:55] <rexy_> in general too i suppose
[10:55] <_cap__> ...I wanted to eliminate apparmour in my hunt for a working usb-live-stick
[10:56] <_cap__> something makes it hang just after squashfs and unionfs.. no helpful messages
[10:56] <rexy_> you sure apparmor has to do with that?
[10:56] <_cap__> nope
[10:56] <_cap__> not a bit
[10:56] <_cap__> but if it can be disabled boot time then I'll know for sure
[10:56] <rexy_> all it does is check if a particular program is allowed to access it
[10:57] <_cap__> it registers a security framwork with the kernel, as such it can cause anything...
[10:57] <rexy_> you can unload it at runtime, though i forgot the command for that
[10:58] <rexy_> but using the init.d script probably works
[10:59] <_cap__> ..since my system doesn't boot that far I'll skip it
[10:59] <_cap__> =)
[11:02] <rexy_> right
[11:02] <rexy_> well you can remove it from the rc scripts
[11:03] <rexy_> o_O
[11:04] <rexy_> the installation went fine, but now i get all sorts of errors about stuff that failed to install, heh this should be good
[11:04] <lacostej> Hei. I upgraded some hours ago and I just found out that my whole sound system doesn't work anymore.
[11:05] <lacostej> I rebooted the machine, just in case, looked at the alsa settings, and did some lsof to check if something goes wrong with the devices (dev/snd/*)
[11:06] <lacostej> mplayer doesn't display any error in the terminal so it looks like everything works, but no sounds goes out of the system.
[11:08] <rexy_> hmm no errors at all bar cupsys and then installation failed completely
[11:08] <davmor2> right click on the sound and make sure that the pcm is up
[11:08] <rexy_> whats was the dpkg command to start the configuration process?
[11:09] <rexy_> nvm got it
[11:09] <lacostej> I also tried to run mplayer as root (just in case), but that didn't help
[11:10] <lacostej> the one thing that I find strange is that it looks like alsamixer has less entries than it used to have. None are mute of course, but still.
[11:10] <davmor2> lacostej: do you have and intel hda sound card?
[11:11] <lacostej> davmor2: looks like : "00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801G (ICH7 Family) High Definition Audio Controller (rev 02"
[11:11] <davmor2> known fault I think check out the docs on the wiki
[11:14] <lacostej> davmor2: found this https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-ubuntu-modules-2.6.22/+bug/131368
[11:14] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 131368 in linux-ubuntu-modules-2.6.22 "Dell 1420n audio not supported under Gutsy" [High,Triaged] 
[11:18] <davmor2> yes that was the tribe 4 known bug.  thought they had fixed it though.  could be wrong?
[11:18] <rexy_> will apt-get dist-upgrade complete the upgrade process, it broke off after configuring the packages
[11:19] <davmor2> rexy_: you may need to do an apt-get install -F
[11:20] <lacostej> davmor2: not yet fixed. I couldn't find the new l-u-m package. So rebooting into Windows to watch a movie.... first time in 7 years. Damn it. I just couldn't resist the update this afternoon.
[11:20] <rexy_> well currently working through a dpkg-reconfigure
[11:20] <rexy_> should be good, only 950 packages :D
[11:23] <rexy_> davmor2, do i need to finish the dpkg first before running dist-upgrade again
[11:23] <DanaG> I never dpkg-reconfigure xorg; instead, I like to partly do things partly manually, and partly let Xorg figure stuff out itself.
[11:24] <davmor2> :( 950 was it
[11:24] <rexy_> pretty much the default feisty installation
[11:25] <rexy_> just trying to make sure now that it'll boot
[11:25] <rexy_> as long as it does that and has a connection anything else can be fixed, heh
[11:32] <rexy_> hmm dist-upgrade doesnt do anything
[11:34] <rexy_> dpkg-reconfigure bombed out when asking for the location of the flash tgz, it said hit enter and it will fetch it if needed but instead it failed
[11:38] <DanaG> That's odd: the Totem plugin for Firefox doesn't do codec-search/
[11:38] <DanaG> .
[11:44] <DanaG> Odd: this thingy needed TWO runs of codec-finding to play.
[11:45] <DanaG> And yet it still failed on H.264
[11:47] <rexy_> where can i get the flashplugin-nonfree package gutsy expects?
[11:48] <rexy_> it expects to see it in /var/cache/flashplugin-nonfree, and autodownload if it's not but it just fails
[11:53] <Distro^Junkie> TheInfinity: did you ever fix your problem ?
[11:53] <TheInfinity> no, had no time to test it again
[11:53] <Distro^Junkie> you running behind a router ?
[11:55] <Distro^Junkie> if so try doing a manual configuration and add your router ip
[12:05] <Distro^Junkie> anyones k-menu listings messed up ?
[12:06] <deobfuscate> Anyone know why the Broadcom firmware cutter doenst work in Gutsy
[12:06] <sparr> Distro^Junkie: in what way?
[12:07] <Distro^Junkie> like having _: Entries in K-Menu for each listing then the description of the program
[12:07] <Distro^Junkie> I'm running alpha 5
[12:11] <sparr> no idea, sorry
[12:12] <Distro^Junkie> no biggie as that's my only problem
[12:12] <Distro^Junkie> everything else seems to be working trouble free
[12:13] <sparr> do me a favor?
[12:14] <sparr> add a few non-kde application buttons to your panel and rearrange them?
[12:14] <deobfuscate> Anyone tested on a Dell E1705
[12:14] <sparr> im having some very weird glitches with that
[12:15] <Distro^Junkie> sparr: what apps did you add ?
[12:15] <sparr> just some scripts that i wrote
[12:15] <Distro^Junkie> maybe they are the problem
[12:15] <sparr> how?
[12:15] <sparr> they dont interact with kde at all
[12:16] <Distro^Junkie> what did you use to make the scripts ?
[12:16] <sparr> vi
[12:16] <Distro^Junkie> are they dependent on anything ?
[12:16] <sparr> bash
[12:17] <Distro^Junkie> not sure then
[12:17] <sparr> me either, hence my asking other kubuntu+1 users to try it
[12:17] <Distro^Junkie> specially since they don't interact with kde
[12:17] <sparr> i think kicker is broken
[12:17] <Distro^Junkie> anything is possible with a beta
[12:18] <sparr> so...  will you try it?
[12:18] <penguin42> hmm I should be able to start another session in KDE shouldn't I ?
[12:18] <Distro^Junkie> not sure what I have that isn't kde based
[12:18] <sparr> just point them to /dev/null
[12:18] <sparr> doesnt matter
[12:18] <sparr> its the buttons themselves that are the issue
[12:18] <sparr> you dont have to press them
[12:18] <penguin42> hmm or can you only have another user logged in at the same time
[12:21] <Distro^Junkie> no trouble so far sparr
[12:22] <Distro^Junkie> bbiab need to run a few errands
[12:26] <fignew> penguin42: nope, you _should_ be able to have more than one graphical user logged in at the same time
[12:26] <penguin42> but what about yourself in different session types?
[12:27] <fignew> never tried
[12:27] <fignew> but I'm sure it's possible
[12:28] <fignew> pretty sure you can
[12:28] <penguin42> hmm
[12:28] <fignew> cause at work my home drive is NFS mounted, and I can log in at multiple workstations at once
[12:28] <penguin42> oh yeh but that's just NFS
[12:28] <fignew> same idea though
[12:29] <fignew> there might be some locking problems
[12:29] <fignew> that's cause it's trying to be "smart"
[12:29] <fignew> you can start a new session from TTY1
[12:29] <fignew> with startx -- :1
[12:29] <fignew> or :2 etc
[12:30] <penguin42> yeh
[12:31] <rexy_>  wait it quick switches by starting more Xinstances?
[12:32] <penguin42> I assume so - it would be the easiest way
[12:32] <fignew> yes
[12:45] <sparr> when i installed kde it offered a slow/fast slider that turned a lot of options off an on.  i think one of those options was generating thumbnails in konqueror.  where can i find that option afterwards to toggle?
[12:50] <forevertheuni> hi all.i'm having only one prob in gusty
[12:50] <forevertheuni> my snd-hda-intel doesn't load correctly
[12:50] <forevertheuni> ...I mean it loads
[12:50] <fignew> sparr: 1 sec
[12:50] <forevertheuni> but the sound is really low and all the options I used to had were lowered to only master and PCM
[12:50] <penguin42> is this straight after loading or after a suspend or something?
[12:51] <databuddy> oi
[12:52] <penguin42> hmm
[12:52] <databuddy> fresh install and when i put in codecs etc and play avi files the aspect ratio is WAY off
[12:52] <fignew> databuddy: what video player?
[12:53] <penguin42> databuddy: Check the resolution and dpi is correct?
[12:53] <databuddy> totem
[12:53] <forevertheuni> I used to have this in my /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base options snd-hda-intel position_fix=1 model=3stack
[12:53] <forevertheuni> to fix it..
[12:53] <forevertheuni> I inserted the line
[12:53] <forevertheuni> and it doesn't work now
[12:53] <forevertheuni> I tryed recovery mode and loaded the module manually and I still only have those 2 options
[12:53] <forevertheuni> it's a pain to have the sound this low
[12:53] <databuddy> i dunno whats supposed to be correct for 20" crt @1920x1440
[12:54] <forevertheuni> bah
[12:54] <forevertheuni> hi all.i'm having only one prob in gusty
 my snd-hda-intel doesn't load correctly
 ...I mean it loads
[12:54] <databuddy> i have at 96dpi
[12:54] <forevertheuni> but the sound is really low and all the options I used to had were lowered to only master and PCM
 I used to have this in my /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base options snd-hda-intel position_fix=1 model=3stack
 to fix it..
 I inserted the line
 and it doesn't work now
 I tryed recovery mode and loaded the module manually and I still only have those 2 options
 it's a pain to have the sound this low
[12:54] <fignew> sparr: run kcontrol from the commandline
[12:54] <penguin42> forevertheuni: Lots of people are having intel sound problems; yesterday there were a bunch of people saying they couldn't get it to work; mine is OK but breaks after a suspend
[12:55] <fignew> sparr: then desktop --> behavior
[12:55] <DanaG> databuddy: google for "javascript dpi"
[12:56] <forevertheuni> bah
[12:56] <forevertheuni> and then
[12:56] <forevertheuni> bah :/
[12:56] <forevertheuni> always disconnecting
[12:56] <penguin42> forevertheuni: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.22/+bug/134167
[12:56] <forevertheuni> did anyone replied to me?
[12:56] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 134167 in linux-source-2.6.22 "sound does not resume with 2.6.22-10-generic" [Undecided,New] 
[12:57] <forevertheuni> tnx
[12:57] <penguin42> that's one of the bugs - I wish I had a note of the bug number; but the same was true in early feisty
[12:58] <forevertheuni> manual alsa ?
[12:58] <forevertheuni> I have sound
[12:58] <forevertheuni> but with headphones I have to set it to max to ear something
[12:58] <forevertheuni> and it's not after suspend or something
[12:58] <forevertheuni> it's always
[01:00] <penguin42> forevertheuni: Yeh I've had that in the past
[01:00] <forevertheuni> :(
[01:00] <Distro^Junkie> anyone elses adept crashing ?
[01:00] <forevertheuni> penguin42, so new compilation should put it ok right?
[01:00] <penguin42> shrug
[01:01] <forevertheuni> oh..but I remember now
[01:02] <forevertheuni> I just listened to an online radio streaming and it was ok
[01:02] <forevertheuni> but everything else isn't
[01:02] <forevertheuni> avi's
[01:02] <forevertheuni> mpeg
[01:02] <forevertheuni> dvd
[01:02] <databuddy> ok
[01:02] <forevertheuni> mp3s
[01:02] <forevertheuni> etc etc
[01:02] <databuddy> i installed totem-xine and fixed dpi and its good
[01:03] <forevertheuni> penguin42, yeps I used mplayer for the stream
[01:03] <forevertheuni> and vlc for the videos
[01:05] <forevertheuni> Should I recompile alsa-libs and utils with --prefix=/usr
[01:05] <forevertheuni> ?
[01:07] <forevertheuni> python.c:26:27: error: python/Python.h: No such file or directory
[01:07] <forevertheuni> bah I hate python error
[01:07] <forevertheuni> errors
[01:08] <forevertheuni> I never know how to fix them
[01:11] <deobfuscate> Anyone know why my laptop doesnt shutdown when I shut it down, just hangs
[01:11] <forevertheuni> after X going away?
[01:11] <forevertheuni> acpi prob maybe