[12:33] that's NEW then probably [12:33] beuno: have you resolved your gig problem? [12:33] I think it can for 4 more days [12:33] geser: yes :D [12:34] taht package owes me 2 days of my life [12:34] what's the process so get it in then? [12:35] !REVU [12:35] REVU is a web-based tool to give people who have worked on Ubuntu packages a chance to "put their packages out there" for other people to look at and comment on in a structured manner. See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Packages/REVU [12:36] great, I'll clean it up a bit and upload [12:36] thanks :D [12:36] oh, and also, what's the process in the changelog and such considering it has already been in ubuntu? [12:43] good question, I'd say you can start as if it was never included [12:43] ScottK: python-psycopg2 does not pull python 2.4 in gutsy .... tracing what package is .. [12:44] great, I'll clean it up and upload to REVU then, thanks geser === luisbg [n=luisbg@193.145.150.119] has joined #ubuntu-motu === mrigns [n=mrigns@unaffiliated/mrigns] has joined #ubuntu-motu === effie_jayx [n=valles@ubuntu/member/effie-jayx] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jrib [n=jrib@upstream/dev/jrib] has joined #ubuntu-motu === mrigns [n=mrigns@unaffiliated/mrigns] has joined #ubuntu-motu === toutouff [n=nicolas@gov91-1-82-234-90-217.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === doko_ [n=doko@dslb-088-073-102-213.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:11] geser: uploaded to REVU, does it take a while to show up? === thinkl [n=tom@216-15-114-66.c3-0.arl-ubr1.sbo-arl.ma.cable.rcn.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:12] Can anyone tell me how to create a dependency on A or B in a .deb control file? I develop an application that requires python bindings for sqlite -- I used to depend on pysqlite2 -- now with sqlite3 built into python2.5 I don't need to. I'd like to depend on python2.5 or pysqlite2. [01:13] ah, nothing, it got rejected for a good reason (I put unstable in the changelog) === bmm [n=bram@cc400801-a.groni1.gr.home.nl] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:15] Hi everybody. In the coming hour, I'm looking for any comments and advocates for boswars: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=70 === ceros [n=user@c-76-111-84-156.hsd1.va.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:23] Ah -- pysqlite2|python(>2.5) looks to be right. [01:23] hmmm... I got "Signer has no upload rights at all to this distribution.", but I am in the Ubuntu Universe Contributors team already... (been their for a while now) [01:24] beuno: probably dput to ubuntu instaed of dput revu [01:24] good night === RainCT [n=RainCT@unaffiliated/rainct] has left #ubuntu-motu ["Leaving."] [01:24] Sleep tight [01:24] bmm: sounds right, thanks :D [01:24] my pleasure === thinkl [n=tom@216-15-114-66.c3-0.arl-ubr1.sbo-arl.ma.cable.rcn.com] has left #ubuntu-motu [] === minghua [n=minghua@ubuntu/member/minghua] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:40] yay! it's up there! now I just wait for someone to review it? === Paddy_EIRE [n=patrick@89.240.243.205] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:44] beuno: well, you kind of have to ask for it if you want to speed things up. But waiting for comments and keeping an eye on your mailbox (make sure you get the REVU messages) will also work. [01:45] beuno: If you are online and asking for it, people are faster at working with you though. Mondays are REVU days as far as I know. [01:45] bmm: aah, right, I believe I have 4 days, so it seems I do need to speed things up [01:45] oh, great, I'll make sure I'm here monday :D [01:46] beuno: I'd have to look it up for sure, but I think the last meeting mail said it would be monday ;-) [01:46] beuno: Why do you need it in 4 days? [01:46] bmm: I hang around here all the time anyway, so I guess I'll bug random people I see active :p [01:47] 19:32 * beuno wonders if he can still get a package into Gutsy [01:47] 19:33 < pygi> I think it can for 4 more days [01:48] beuno: I mostly just say "Any MOTU, I'm looking for advocates for package.. etc". Ah, getting it into Gutsy would be nice indeed. [01:48] I think pygi is talking about universe new package freeze. === beuno suspects minghua is a MOTU and has the superpowers to review [01:48] Oh, yes, probably depends on wether it's new or an update. [01:48] it's NEW :D [01:49] mine two :-) [01:49] beuno: what is your package called? Mine is boswars. [01:50] bmm: linuxsampler [01:50] beuno: Yes I am a MOTU, but sorry I have neither time nor an Ubuntu system to properly review now. [01:50] it's for multiverse [01:50] minghua: no problem, thanks anyway, it was worth a shot :D === mrigns [n=mrigns@unaffiliated/mrigns] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jussi01 [n=jussi@dyn3-82-128-184-60.psoas.suomi.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:52] minghua: do you know how I can do a get-source from revu? Then I can start posting comments on it ;-) [01:55] bmm: By "get-source" so you mean getting the source package? [01:55] s/so/do/ [01:56] minghua: yes, something that has the same effect as "apt-get source" but gets,extracts and patches a package from REVU === EliasAmaral [n=dark@unaffiliated/EliasAmaral] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:56] Yes you can. === LaserJock [n=mantha@ubuntu/member/laserjock] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:57] minghua: how? The revu-report script doesn't really seem to do something like that. Could you possibly give me an example command or such? [01:57] bmm: Take beuno's package, linuxsampler, as an example: [01:57] anybody having problems with system-config-printer? I have to re-enable my printer every time I need to print :( [01:57] bmm: First get the package: dget http://revu.tauware.de/revu1-incoming/linuxsampler-0708260400/linuxsampler_0.4.0-1.dsc [01:58] bmm: Then extract it: dpkg-source -x linuxsampler_0.4.0-1.dsc [01:58] bmm: This is roughly what "apt-get source" is doing behind the scene. [01:59] minghua: great! Works like a charm, thanks! [01:59] bmm: As for the revu-report script, I don't know it at all so have no idea. [02:00] bueno: you need an ubuntu version added to the version in the control [02:00] LaserJock: Isn't that a question for #ubuntu+1? ;-) [02:00] LaserJock: Good afternoon BTW. [02:00] minghua: only documentation about reviewing I could find, but looked like you needed special privileges, but this works like a charm! Thanks! [02:00] ...or good evening. [02:01] bmm: you mean in the changelog? [02:01] beuno: ah, yeah, sorry the changelog ofcourse :-S [02:02] bmm: it would be 0.4.0-0ubuntu1, right? [02:02] beuno: do "dch -e" from your linuxsampler directory and then add -0ubuntu1 === leonel [n=leonel@189.155.124.207] has left #ubuntu-motu [] === khermans [i=khermans@nat/cisco/x-d2a18ad83879b7df] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:04] minghua: I did ask in #ubuntu+1 but there about has helpful as usual [02:04] beuno: Why do you have a Makefile.am in the debian/ directory? [02:06] LaserJock: Tough luck. You know where malone is. :-) [02:06] bmm: I don't, the original tarball does :D [02:06] beuno: The debian directory should not be part of the orig.tar.gz and not part of the upstream release, why is it in there? [02:06] Bad, bad upstream. [02:06] beuno: ok, so upstream already has a debian/ directory :-S [02:06] bmm: exactly :D [02:06] and the /debian dir upstream doesn't work and sucks :D [02:06] I'm not sure what to do with that, somebody with experience who can comment? [02:09] beuno: I think you might have to convince upstream to leave the debian directory out of their releases (minghua might know what to do) [02:10] I agree that persuading upstream not to put debian/ dir in the released tarball is the most correct thing to do. It may be hard to achieve though. [02:11] minghua: it seems upstream has already been contacted in debian, and he hasn't responded [02:11] (it used to be in Debian too) === Yann_Dinendal [n=Yann@dyn-91-163-241-78.ppp.tiscali.fr] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:11] (And don't take my words too seriously, I don't know the Ubuntu's guidelines on such issues very well.) === mrigns [n=mrigns@unaffiliated/mrigns] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:11] beuno: Used to be? Why isn't it in Debian anymore? [02:12] minghua: same reason then in Ubuntu, upstream added a non-commercial clause to the GPL [02:12] so it had to be removed [02:12] (it should of been moved to non-free, but it didn't) [02:13] Hmm. I see. === javierder [n=javier@159-142-126-200.fibertel.com.ar] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:14] ok, I changed the versioning, I should just upload to REVU again and it will update" [02:14] ? [02:14] beuno: I think there is much more to change, but I'm not sure how to do it. However, you can do a "dput -f revu package_source.chagnes" === goedson [n=goedson@20158109246.user.veloxzone.com.br] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:15] beuno: the "-f" will make sure dput pushes it to the server even though the same version has already been uploaded. [02:16] bmm: great, thanks, uploaded and will try again monday when more people are here [02:16] beuno: still trying that nasty app? [02:17] beuno: Have you discussed the license issue of linuxsampler with anybody? === minghua suspects linuxsampler is un-distributable as is. [02:17] LaserJock: yeap, but I got it working :D [02:17] LaserJock: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=76 === DarkMageZ [n=richard@ppp121-44-115-94.lns10.syd6.internode.on.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:18] minghua: I have, and I believe gpl + non commericial is fairly common, and is OK in multiverse [02:18] beuno: have you consulted an archive admin? [02:19] LaserJock: no, I should get a hol on one of those [02:19] who can I contact? [02:19] beuno: No, it's not common at all. Basically the non-commercial requirement contradicts with GPL, which makes the whole package without any valid license. [02:19] beuno: just email ubuntu-devel or ubuntu-devel-discuss maybe [02:19] LaserJock: great, will do, thanks :D [02:20] beuno: Do you know *any* other software that has a "GPL + non-commercial clause" license? [02:20] minghua: I can't think of any right now, but I've heard about it in debian many times === minghua doesn't think so. [02:21] beuno: given that Debian *removed* the package, I'd be careful [02:21] Debian removed linuxsampler instead of putting it in non-free for a reason. [02:21] generally if it's non-free they move it to non-free, not remove it completely [02:23] yeap, although the DD that asked me to help package considered it was OK, so I went for it, I'll email -devel, and if it can't go in, I'll just have learned a but more :D [02:23] sure [02:26] -devel is moderated for non-developers, just FYI. [02:26] hmmm, ok, I'll email ASAP then :D === luisbg [n=luisbg@193.145.150.119] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:28] -devel-discuss is open for all subscribers. :-) [02:29] The moderation is usually quite in-time, but you never know. [02:29] oh, -discuss sounds more appropriate [02:30] beuno: some things you might also want to tell MOTU people to take a look at are: no configure-stamp, but a touch on configure; copy of config.sub and config.guess doesn't need a test (is a build-essential); Changelog can be smaller and should contain "initial release"; Maintaier should be Ubuntu MOTU, you are the XSBC-Original...; [02:31] beuno: a real MOTU probably won't agree with everything, and the upstream debian thing is your biggest problem at the moment. [02:31] bmm: config.sub and config.guess (from autotools-dev) is not in build-essential AFAIK. [02:31] oooh, sounds like a lot needs to be done, I was used to debian guidelines :D [02:31] here's the debian bug: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=328121 [02:32] Debian bug 328121 in linuxsampler "linuxsampler: Inconsistent and non DFSG free license" [Grave,Open] [02:32] beuno: minghua is right on that, you probably need to add autotools-dev to allow for that... Ask a MOTU when it comes to it ;-) [02:32] will do [02:33] Hmm. I wonder why ubotu thinks 328121 is open. [02:40] beuno: I'm also not sure wether echo '/usr/lib/linuxsampler' >> /etc/ld.so.conf is good to do, probably want an "echo '/usr/lib/linuxsampler' > /etc/ld.so.conf.d/linuxsampler.conf" there. [02:41] beuno: but I'll stop bombarding you with details, as I'm not MOTU anyway :-) [02:43] bmm: I'll look into all of it, thanks :D [02:43] bmm: The point on touching /etc/ld.so.conf is very good. [02:43] come to think of it, you probably just want a file installed into that directory, then you could drop the whole postinst/postrm. But I'm not sure about what the policy is. === finalbeta [n=gggggggg@d54C6865D.access.telenet.be] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:45] Do I need to add Debian's ITP to Ubuntu's needs-packaging bug report? [02:45] bmm: I think you're looking at the upstream's /debian dir, I don't have any postinst/postrm files [02:48] beuno: ah, yes, not sure why but I see it's in orig and not mentioned in the diff.gz, so it just sits there untouched? [02:49] bmm: yeap [02:50] Jazzva: Yes, please do. (Not that you *need* to add it, but it's very nice to do so.) === astro76 [n=james@unaffiliated/astro76] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:50] minghua: Thanks :)... I just wasn't sure if it's usual/possible for needs-packaging. [02:51] Well, I'm off to bed, but I'll be back in a day or so to get any MOTU to look at boswars. cya === mohammad [n=mohammad@CPE080046dc2143-CM0011aea585d0.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:14] would a MOTU please review (Zekr Quran Translations) ? http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=75 === luisbg [n=luisbg@193.145.150.119] has joined #ubuntu-motu === effie_jayx [n=valles@ubuntu/member/effie-jayx] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Paddy_EIRE [n=patrick@89.240.243.205] has joined #ubuntu-motu === rob [i=RobertSt@freenode/staff/rob] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:35] does anyone know why schroot would fail to find /bin/bash et all, do I need to build the chroot before using it somehow? [03:38] q === mrigns [n=mrigns@unaffiliated/mrigns] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Amaranth [n=travis@ubuntu/member/Amaranth] has joined #ubuntu-motu === mrigns [n=mrigns@unaffiliated/mrigns] has joined #ubuntu-motu === mrigns [n=mrigns@unaffiliated/mrigns] has joined #ubuntu-motu === effie_jayx [n=valles@ubuntu/member/effie-jayx] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Knightlust [n=dax@ubuntu/member/knightlust] has joined #ubuntu-motu === freeflying [n=freeflyi@123.116.96.206] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-motu === luisbg [n=luisbg@18.Red-88-23-98.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:31] revu sent me this mail [04:31] "Rejected: [04:31] Signer has no upload rights at all to this distribution." [04:31] but I'm in the Ubuntu Universe Contributors Group launchpad team [04:31] what other things I need to be able to upload to REVU? [04:32] luisbg: have you followed the steps to make sure you're uploading to REVU and not Ubuntu (which is the default) [04:32] beuno, I read that REVU is by default in dput now [04:32] going to check [04:33] oops [04:33] :D [04:33] I went through exactly that a few hours ago [04:33] luisbg: it's not. it never has been. [04:33] luisbg: it never will be [04:34] yeah, ubuntu was the default host [04:34] changed it to revu [04:34] Hobbsee, why not? [04:35] luisbg: because the ubuntu developers upload direct to ubuntu === caravena_ [n=caravena@pc-84-203-83-200.cm.vtr.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:36] luisbg: and so the decision is made to keep the scripts with no extra options for motu's/core devs, and add extra switches and stuff for the people who dont have upload access [04:36] Hobbsee, and the motu to revu :P [04:36] ahhh I see [04:36] MOTU dont use revu for uploading new packages. they dont need to. [04:36] who have upload access to ubuntu? [04:36] well, for the most part [04:36] motu and core dev === luisbg needs to be a motu soon [04:36] (depending on the section that you're uploading to) [04:36] I'm technically in the motu process [04:37] just haven't had too much time to go through it [04:37] packaging anyway [04:37] Hobbsee, btw... how is all? [04:37] sorry? [04:37] how are you doing [04:38] luisbg: also remember that a whole bunch of these scripts come from debian, and the addresses are changed for ubuntu - so they tend to work in the same way for both distributions [04:38] i'm doing OK [04:38] cool [04:38] thanks for the help [04:38] no problem [04:39] I'm waiting for the revu sync to check it is in now [04:39] sec. [04:39] it's not automated anymore [04:39] the package is the ubuntustudio-menu [04:40] I invite everybody to check it, and look if it is ok for universe [04:40] Hobbsee, hmmm? how does it work now? [04:40] luisbg: is it already uploaded? [04:40] luisbg: it got moved, so it's a bit fo a WIP [04:41] yes... Uploading to revu (via ftp to revu.tauware.de): [04:41] ... ubuntustudio-menu_0.1_source.changes: done. [04:41] Successfully uploaded packages. [04:41] Hobbsee, you got to pull the plug to make it sync? :S [04:41] luisbg: yeah [04:42] :S [04:42] luisbg: it's taking a long time to do, as it's a slower machine === Hobbsee waits for that to appear [04:42] automatic stuff is better almost all the time [04:42] thsi is true, but if it's taking around an hour... [04:42] Hobbsee, thanks [04:42] how slow is the "slower machine"? [04:43] rather [04:43] (it's not mine) [04:43] heh [04:44] faster revu machine spec? [04:44] anyone? [04:46] i'ts on an interim server, like the topic says [04:46] the new machine isnt yet connected to teh network [04:47] luisbg: I am downloading it now. [04:48] TheMuso, downloading it from where? [04:49] luisbg: revu [04:49] is it up? [04:49] Yes. [04:49] I don't see it in the website [04:50] Its at the bottom. [04:50] ahhh there it is [04:50] what a beauty [04:50] Hobbsee and TheMuso, thanks for all [04:51] 3:50 am here [04:51] And I just realised that I am not yet a reviewer. [04:51] gonna go sleep [04:51] =) ciao! [04:51] luisbg: Ok I'll have a look and let you know. [04:52] goodnight... see you tomorrow [04:52] TheMuso: which email do you use to login? [04:53] TheMuso: themuso@u.c? [04:53] Hobbsee: themuso@ubuntu.com [04:53] TheMuso: changed [04:53] Altering themuso@ubuntu.com to level reviewer [04:53] Hobbsee: THanks [04:53] no problem [04:54] meh. THis package has problems already. [04:54] I have already found two. [04:56] ok now I can't seem to log in. [04:56] TheMuso: did you try recovering the password? [04:57] Hobbsee: gah sorry! Seems that I am actually using themuso@themuso.com to log in. [04:57] just so used to using @u.c with it. :) [04:57] but since everything changed... [04:58] ahhh :) [04:58] sorrrrryyyyy [04:59] TheMuso: no problem, try again [04:59] TheMuso: you should actually be able to login - there's a valid password listed here for you [04:59] Hobbsee: Yeah I know. I do have it. [05:00] Ah! Thats better. [05:00] cool [05:01] Now to be an absolute bastard with this package. [05:01] as there is a lot done badly. [05:01] haha === TheMuso looks at a package like this, and automatically thinks... cdbs!! === effie_jayx [n=valles@ubuntu/member/effie-jayx] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Paddy_EIRE [n=patrick@89.240.243.205] has joined #ubuntu-motu === minghua [n=minghua@ubuntu/member/minghua] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Lure [n=lure@38.99.84.33] has joined #ubuntu-motu === tgm4883_laptop [n=tgm4883@c-71-193-246-120.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === RobinD__ [n=robind@69-30-77-125.dq1sn.easystreet.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ytojack [n=ytojack@125.91.35.190] has joined #ubuntu-motu === No1Viking [n=micke@h-83-140-104-41.auto.rp80.se] has joined #ubuntu-motu === pygi [n=mario@158-227.dsl.iskon.hr] has joined #ubuntu-motu === mayeco [n=mayeco@200.75.192.12] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Pici- [n=Pici@ool-4355be00.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === DarkRaven [n=dvwyngaa@dsl-244-209-175.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-motu === xtknight [n=xtknight@c-68-43-122-211.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:57] greetings === Hobbsee waves [07:09] hello Hobbsee long time [07:09] indeed! [07:10] been on a vacation myself but it feels nice to be back :P [07:11] :) === Hobbsee wonders what holidays and such are [07:11] sometimes the mind needs to be cleansed before working on more dpkgs [07:11] Hobbsee: I am with you there...what is a holiday again? :) [07:11] nixternal: no idea. [07:11] maybe one of these days I will figure it out [07:12] it is that where everyone around you is doing stuff where you are sitting at home doing nothing [07:12] ahhh, OK, then I am on holiday everyday then :D [07:13] only holidays for me are birthday and other self-created holidays, trips to newegg.com order button, etc [07:13] xtknight: oh right, i thougth they were called weekends. === effie_jayx [n=valles@ubuntu/member/effie-jayx] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:14] hell, I don't even know what the sun is yet [07:15] It's the big ball of fire outside, where the bears are. [07:15] oh, that's a type of machine. === RAOF waves === Pici- [n=Pici@ool-4355be00.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Hobbsee glares at RAOF === RAOF reads up on what needs to be in the email === Pici- [n=Pici@ool-4355be00.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Pici- [n=Pici@ool-4355be00.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === khermans [i=khermans@nat/cisco/x-37da7eb1fdc4bc07] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Knightlust [n=dax@ubuntu/member/knightlust] has joined #ubuntu-motu === mattg [n=matt@ip68-104-158-11.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:07] can anybody help me add UDF Volume Support? === fraco [n=fraco@213.219.141.36.adsl.dyn.edpnet.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === mrigns [n=mrigns@unaffiliated/mrigns] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:17] Hobbsee: Care to review a MOTU application? [08:18] RAOF: sure === RobinD [n=robind@69-30-77-125.dq1sn.easystreet.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:20] RAOF: Yaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaayyyyyyyyyyyyy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1 [08:21] RAOF: I was *THIS* close to recommending you. [08:21] RAOF: Seriously dude, you WILL be a shoe in. [08:22] Heh, thanks :) [08:23] I should subscribe to motu-council so I can say nice things about RAOF [08:23] What the hell? Bug #134842 is a needs-packaging for a piece of OS X software! [08:23] Launchpad bug 134842 in ubuntu "[needs-packaging] Fairmount" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/134842 === TheMuso still has memroies of the days when the tech board appointed new MOTUs. [08:23] RAOF: looks fine [08:24] TheMuso: Me too [08:24] Right. Now to hunt down the email addresses of my sponsors so I can CC them :) [08:24] RAOF: If I'm not on your sponsors list, add me too [08:24] RAOF: It isn't by chance a cross-platform app? [08:25] RAOF: Actually, I should be - I uploaded kvm and specto (both Debian and Ubuntu) for you. :-) === mrigns [n=mrigns@unaffiliated/mrigns] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:27] TheMuso: Not as far as I can see on the project page. All OS X screenshots, and it seems heavily tied into the OS X system. === nu [i=neuro@host76-15-dynamic.1-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:28] RAOF: ah ok. === TheMuso stops procrastinating and goes to do something useful. [08:29] back in a bit. [08:40] Hm. How can I find who sponsored my uploads? [08:40] errr.... [08:41] short of decrypting the key on the accepted mails in gutsy changes... [08:41] i'd just put the ones you remember, i think [08:41] Bugmail? [08:41] or bugmail, there's a thought [08:42] Yah, I'll hunt through that. [08:47] Hm. I suppose that tracker-search is probably meant to return some form of search results at some point. === davromaniak [n=cyril@LAubervilliers-153-52-16-160.w217-128.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:48] hah === nu [i=neuro@host76-15-dynamic.1-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:53] Wow. I had no idea I had so many sponsors. [08:54] !nickspam | nuu [08:54] nuu: You should avoid changing your nick in a busy channel like #ubuntu - it causes unrequired scrolling which is unfair on new users. The same goes for using noisy away messages : use the command "/away " to set your client away silently - See also !Guidelines [08:54] That would be really annoying if I wasn't doing something else :P [08:58] RAOF: How many sponsors? [09:02] 7, I think. I've sent off the email now. [09:03] Also, I don't think that's actually everyone, just the people who appear in mail containing "fix released" in my bugmail folder. [09:03] Hm, I wonder if it's worth trying for a UVFe for Empathy. [09:04] really sorry about the nickspam, just my psybnc being stupid [09:04] should be ok now, at least until i reconnect ;) [09:05] nuu: That's OK. It's just kinda annoying ;) [09:05] yeah, i know === mayeco [n=mayeco@200.75.192.12] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:06] Heh, too slow on the Empathy front :) [09:07] RAOF: i thought there was one, i thought i ack'd it [09:07] Hobbsee: Indeed, that's what I meant. [09:07] :) [09:08] I was just looking at the "hey, there's a new version of empathy". Turns out we already know, and have already ack'd the UVFe :) [09:17] do we still use pbuilder with gutsy? [09:17] You can, yes. [09:17] what is everyone using though? [09:18] I use sbuild, because I've got a box with LVM set up as a buildd. [09:18] That's faster than pbuilder, and sends automated build logs by email. [09:18] I use both === Hobbsee uses pbuilder === Fujitsu hasn't had cause to use pbuilder since setting up sbuild. [09:20] sbuild gives me the error "mailto not set" when trying to set it up [09:21] any ideas how to fix that one? [09:21] Set mailto in ~/.sbuildrc === ytojack [n=ytojack@218.15.97.185] has joined #ubuntu-motu === TheMuso uses sbuild. [09:22] Fujitsu, ok I don't have one of those, what is the format of the file to set that? [09:23] aving a log generated without specifically requesting it is a good thing. [09:23] And, through lvm snapshots, allows package install/removal testing to be a snap. [09:24] bugger it, I'll just use pbuilder :) [09:25] RAOF: TheMuso you're all getting moderated... [09:25] clearly you dont subscribe to the MC === fernando [n=fernando@unaffiliated/musb] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:26] Hobbsee: I do. [09:26] Its not to say that RAOF's other sponsors are though [09:27] TheMuso: none of the mail has hit the MC yet [09:27] wait, yorus has === Hobbsee suggests people use "MOTU application for x", so as to not get threaded onto other applicaitons. [09:28] or start a new mail [09:29] Hobbsee: Woudln't that depend on which email client you use? I know for a fact Mutt can determine the difference, even if the subject is the same. [09:29] due to some thread headers that get added somewhere along the line. [09:29] TheMuso: true. thunderbird usually picks up headings, but may not have this time, due to the original mail not getting to the list yet [09:30] oh, hmmm. weird === Frogzoo [n=Frogzoo@202.155.165.25] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Supremus [n=Supremus@194.182.76.83.cust.bluewin.ch] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:44] That's actually one beef I have with gmail, it doesn't thread properly. [09:46] Should I actually be subscribed to MC? I suppose that's where my application will be discussed, so I might as well. === Frogzoo [n=Frogzoo@202.155.165.25] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Zic [n=Zic@Final-Fantasy.FF-IRC.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === blackskad [n=blackska@d54C4A53D.access.telenet.be] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:52] RAOF: if people forget to CC you... === coNP [n=conp@ubuntu/member/coNP] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:56] Good morning! [09:57] morning coNP [09:58] Hey Hobbsee [10:02] Are bugfixes ever meant to cause an UVFe? I guess not, no matter if they are bugfix releases or they are patches. Am I right? [10:03] bugfix releases should be fine [10:03] it's the ones with new features that ar eteh worry [10:04] And patches to fix bugs are also fine, right? === neversfelde|mobi [n=neversfe@194.95.66.31] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:04] of course [10:05] would seem slightly crazy to take all the patches from the usptream release, and apply them as patches, though. === Q-FUNK [n=q-funk@88.193.25.129] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:05] as in, same code gets in the release, but with a lot more effort. seems pointless. === jeromeg [n=jerome@gra94-2-82-66-142-60.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === coNP advocates boswars now. === finalbeta [n=viper@d54C6865D.access.telenet.be] has joined #ubuntu-motu === zakame [i=zakame@ubuntu/member/zakame] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Pici-_ [n=Pici@ool-4355be00.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === superm1 [n=superm1@ubuntu/member/superm1] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:44] ScottK: I added some additional information some my UVFe request : bug 134730 [10:44] Launchpad bug 134730 in dvgrab "[UVFe] Please sync dvgrab 3.0-1 (universe) from debian (unstable)" [Wishlist,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/134730 [10:44] could you please have a look ? === mrigns [n=mrigns@unaffiliated/mrigns] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Czessi-m [n=czessi@194.95.66.31] has joined #ubuntu-motu === neversfelde|mobi [n=neversfe@194.95.66.31] has joined #ubuntu-motu === zachy [i=zakame@ubuntu/member/zakame] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Lamego [n=lamego@a81-84-231-104.cpe.netcabo.pt] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Gasten [n=Gasten@h52n9c1o1095.bredband.skanova.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Pici- [n=Pici@ool-4355be00.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === kompozer [n=kaze@AGrenoble-152-1-34-171.w82-122.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Pici- [n=Pici@ool-4355be00.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:16] Oh I forgot. Congrats coNP. [11:16] Thanks TheMuso :) === pgquiles [n=pgquiles@200.Red-81-39-193.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:19] hello there [11:20] I have a make: dh_testdir: Command not found when using pbuilder [11:20] though a simple fakeroot debian/rules clean works perfectly [11:21] can anyoune please help me with this? [11:21] s/anyoune/anyone/ === giskard [n=giskard@213-140-22-74.fastres.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === iceman [n=iceman@cable-87-244-153-189.upc.chello.be] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Czessi-m [n=czessi@194.95.66.31] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:27] kompozer: At what point does that error occur? [11:29] TheMuso: right when pbuilder starts the fakeroot debian/rules clean === Pici- [n=Pici@ool-4355be00.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:29] kompozer: Is debhelper listed as a dependency for your package in Build-Depends in the control file? === kompozer looking [11:31] no :-/ [11:32] kompozer: Well I suggest you add debhelper (>= 5) to your Build-Depends field. [11:32] TheMuso: in fact I didn't even have any Build-Depends field [11:33] kompozer: Well if you want your package to build, you will need it. === thekorn [n=thekorn@a89-182-23-235.net-htp.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:35] TheMuso: I have just added the "Build-Depends" field, did a debuild -S, then tried pbuilder again. Fakeroot has been installed but not debhelper. So I still get the same error [11:35] coNP: I'll join you on revu shortly, and will hopefull be able to give a second ack to the packages you have looked at. [11:35] TheMuso: cool [11:35] I was wondering if I should ask someone to do this :) [11:35] kompozer: Where did you put your Build-Depends field? [11:35] !packagingguide | kompozer [11:35] kompozer: The packaging guide is at http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/packagingguide/C/index.html - See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Packages/New for information on getting a package integrated into Ubuntu - Other developer resources are at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DeveloperResources - See also !backports [11:36] coNP: I'll just get a few announcements sent out to the MOTU list, and then I'll join you. [11:36] TheMuso: Okay. Take your time :) === norsetto [n=norsetto@host186-223-dynamic.16-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:38] morning [11:38] Hey norsetto. [11:39] Hey coNP; I'm glad I'm not the only madman around ;-) === coNP hides [11:43] Hi norsetto === Pici- [n=Pici@ool-4355be00.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:43] TheMuso: thanks for your help, the build-deps field was at the wrong line [11:43] geser: morgen :-) [11:44] kompozer: Welcome. === Nicke [n=niclasa@ua-83-227-140-135.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ivoks [n=ivoks@18-82.dsl.iskon.hr] has joined #ubuntu-motu === TomaszD [n=tom@unaffiliated/tomaszd] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:47] Ok, that takes care of that lot. === TomaszD [n=tom@unaffiliated/tomaszd] has left #ubuntu-motu ["Leaving"] === coNP silently watches TheMuso spamming the MOTU lists... :P === cassidy [n=cassidy@184.187-247-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:49] TheMuso: did you get the email from highvoltage about mentoring? [11:53] norsetto: WHich one? [11:53] The last one I got from him was the general ping that gets sent out occasionally. [11:54] TheMuso: ok, we agreed that he was sending you an email with the new pupil; guess he was too busy the last twi days === RainCT [n=RainCT@unaffiliated/rainct] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Pici-_ [n=Pici@ool-4355be00.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:55] norsetto: Ok. [11:55] Themuso: if I don't see it tomorrow I'll send it myself [11:55] Ok. === coNP has some ideas to teach to ubotu === mrigns [n=mrigns@unaffiliated/mrigns] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:56] heh === coNP reviews evolution-rss === `23meg [n=m@ubuntu/member/-23meg] has joined #ubuntu-motu === toutouff [n=nicolas@gov91-1-82-234-90-217.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:08] coNP: I see you have advocated boswar; what is this when I try to debuild it: Checking for C library png... no [12:08] Did not find png library or headers, exiting! [12:09] norsetto: I did a pbuilder build. Are you sure you installed everything that is needed? === coNP tries again to build boswars === coNP advocates evolution-rss [12:10] coNP: no pbuilder yet, that was a simple debuild -S -sa [12:10] norsetto: I guess you should install libpng then. [12:10] coNP: I had to install scons, anything else needed? [12:10] norsetto: check the build deps :) [12:11] norsetto: debuild should enumerate any missing dependencies. [12:11] I mean build dependencies === TheMuso reviews xgrep === coNP reviews scolily === jussi01 [n=jussi@dyn3-82-128-184-60.psoas.suomi.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:14] Its not imperative if a package's copyright file doesn't mention when the package was debianized? [12:15] there should be no need to run configure in clean [12:15] coNP: any reason to have liblualib50-dev listed twice in build-depnds? === Pici-_ [n=Pici@ool-4355be00.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:16] coNP: take it back, its not twice [12:16] norsetto: liblualib != liblua [12:16] BTW I guess the second depends on the first. I'll check [12:16] Yeah. [12:16] So liblua should go IMHO [12:17] coNP: yeah, I only installed liblualib and liblua is a required dependency of it === Kmos [n=gothicx@unaffiliated/kmos] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:17]