[01:08] <Wizard> i just wanted to mention that my girlfriend installed kubuntu and told me it was shit
[01:09] <Wizard> and i still remeber whe she told me: no beryl, no sex
[01:09] <Wizard> i've never googled so much
[01:09] <TheSheep> !language | Wizard
[01:09] <ubotu> Wizard: Please watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.
[01:10] <TheSheep> guys, Pumpernickel is right, better move to #xubuntu-offtopic
[01:10] <Wizard> as you wish master
[01:10] <s-x-u> im in xubuntu-oftopic dont hurt people
[01:11] <s-x-u> it is not bizzy at this moment but maybe someone read the logs and waste time with reading less relevant things
[01:23] <sebas_> Hi
[01:24] <sebas_> I've installed Xubuntu but the network card is not configured, I think that the drivers are not installed
[01:24] <sebas_> Is it possible to install the drivers from the installation CD after doing the main install?
[01:24] <Pumpernickel> What model is it?
[01:24] <sebas_> I'm not sure, it's an old ISA card
[01:25] <sebas_> but the point is how do I install drivers?
[01:25] <Pumpernickel> The drivers should be installed, but the interface may not be configured correctly.
[01:26] <Pumpernickel> Could you pastebin the output of `ifconfig`?
[01:26] <Pumpernickel> !paste
[01:26] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[01:26] <thingy> sudo ifconfig would be better
[01:27] <sebas_> well, actually I'm not using that pc.. I installed it on an old machine for my grandfather
[01:27] <sebas_> If the problem is that the interface is not configured correctly, what can I do?
[01:30] <Pumpernickel> Depends on how it's configured.  It may simply not have been activated, or it could be something more complicated.
[01:32] <TheSheep> I think that isa cards are not autodetected?
[01:33] <sebas_> Pumpernickel: I remember I did # ifconfig eth0 up
[01:33] <sebas_> but it wasn't configured
[01:33] <sebas_> Well, I'll try to fix it another day when I'm there..
[01:33] <Pumpernickel> TheSheep: Could be.
[01:33] <sebas_> or try to get a PCI NIC
[05:47] <thyrax> have a problem
[05:48] <thyrax> when i try to open firefox it says window already open
[05:48] <thyrax> anyone know how to get to the window it's not showing up
[05:51] <thyrax> anyone know how to uninstall firefox?
[06:40] <Ed933> Hello
[06:41] <Jester45> hi
[06:41] <Ed933> Is it possible to create a new menu shortcut
[06:41] <Jester45> yes
[06:42] <Ed933> how?
[06:42] <Jester45> open mousepad
[06:42] <Ed933> yes?
[06:43] <Jester45> is english your only language
[06:43] <Ed933> yes
[06:43] <Jester45> copy [Desktop Entry] 
[06:43] <Jester45> Encoding=UTF-8
[06:43] <Jester45> Name=entrynamehere
[06:43] <Jester45> so you have 3 lines
[06:43] <Jester45> then copy
[06:44] <Jester45> Exec=command
[06:44] <Jester45> Terminal=false if its a gui app
[06:44] <Jester45> Type=
[06:44] <Ed933> ok
[06:44] <Jester45> Icon=
[06:45] <Jester45> and Categories=
[06:45] <Ed933> what is type
[06:45] <Jester45> Application
[06:45] <Ed933> oh
[06:45] <Ed933> so
[06:45] <Jester45> thats the type
[06:45] <Ed933> say I want to put in
[06:46] <Ed933> a program named 'A' which is graphical
[06:46] <Ed933> I have to type in
[06:46] <Ed933> [Desktop Entry] 
[06:46] <Ed933> Encodinf=UTF-8
[06:46] <Ed933> *Encoding
[06:46] <Ed933> Name=A
[06:46] <Ed933> Exec=A
[06:46] <Ed933> Terminal=false
[06:47] <Ed933> Type=Application
[06:47] <Jester45> and for Categories
[06:47] <Ed933> Games
[06:47] <Ed933> so
[06:47] <Ed933> do I need to save it
[06:47] <Ed933> Somewhere
[06:47] <Jester45> you say you want it in Menu -> games you would put it as Categories=Application;Games;
[06:48] <Ed933> oh
[06:48] <Jester45> and save it in /usr/share/applications
[06:48] <Jester45> o
[06:48] <Ed933> ok
[06:48] <Jester45> nevermind
[06:48] <Ed933> tyvm
[06:48] <Jester45> save anywhere or open a root mousepad and copy it there
[06:48] <Jester45> you need root power to save there
[06:49] <Ed933> ok
[06:49] <Ed933> so I gotta go into terminal and type in gksudo mousepad
[06:49] <Ed933> Yeah, I new at this stuff, still learning
[06:49] <Ed933> :D
[06:49] <Jester45> yes no copy/paste it all
[06:49] <Jester45> now*
[06:50] <Jester45> the only place you can save stuff by defualt without root powers is at /home/user/
[06:50] <Jester45> (or ~/ in a terminal for a shortcut)
[06:50] <Ed933> so ur home directory
[06:50] <Jester45> yes
[06:50] <Ed933> when I type in gksudo mousepad
[06:51] <Ed933> it asks me 4 my password
[06:51] <Ed933> I type it in
[06:51] <Ed933> and nothing happens
[06:51] <Jester45> a mousepad doesnt open?
[06:51] <Ed933> yeah
[06:51] <Jester45> did you type mousepad right?
[06:51] <Jester45> what did the temrinal say
[06:51] <Ed933> it just sat there
[06:52] <Jester45> well
[06:52] <Ed933> edward@linux:~$ gksudo mousepad
[06:52] <Ed933> GNOME_SUDO_PASS****
[06:52] <Ed933> and that's it
[06:52] <Jester45> click on the temrinal and press ctrl+C
[06:52] <Ed933> yep
[06:52] <Jester45> and try it with sudo
[06:53] <Ed933> yeah, that better
[06:53] <Jester45> and if THAT doesnt work save the first mousepad to your desktop as test and run sudo mv ~/Desktop/test /usr/share/applications/A.desktop
[06:54] <Jester45> ok copy/paste to root mousepad and save in /usr/share/applications/ and save as A.desktop
[06:54] <Jester45> replacing A with the real name
[06:55] <Jester45> wait a little bit and it should show in the menu
[06:56] <Ed933> Whoa nice
[06:56] <Ed933> thnx heaps
[06:56] <Ed933> :D
[06:57] <Jester45> hehe and i just learned it myself now :)
[07:01] <Ed933> :D
[07:01] <Ed933> where r all the icons stored
[07:01] <Ed933> I cant find them anywhere
[07:02] <Jester45> i think usr/share/pixmaps
[07:02] <Jester45> yep
[07:09] <kalikiana> Ed933, Incidentally 'pixmaps' is deprecated, recent packages store icons in 'icons/hicolor'
[07:09] <Ed933> icons/hicolor
[07:14] <Ed933> thnx
[08:07] <Ben_Cs> hello
[08:07] <kalikiana> hello
[08:07] <Ben_Cs> sup?
[08:11] <kalikiana> I'm sorry, sup is one of the weird irc tokens I never got used to. What does it mean?
[08:12] <Ben_Cs> something weird: when installed xubuntu, the volu,e control (mixer) didn't show any controlls. then when i run vlc, the mixer recognized the soundcard, but the volume controlls like PCM when changed (volume), it didn't show from desktop view. only after restart the mixer volume and volume changed from desktop view were bound...
[08:12] <Ben_Cs> sup = what's up, in short
[08:13] <kalikiana> Ah, what'_sup_, thx.
[08:14] <Ben_Cs> talking about irc tokens: what dows "lmao" mean?
[08:15] <Ben_Cs> never mind. googled it
[08:16] <Ben_Cs> lmao = laugh my ass off
[08:16] <Ben_Cs> like lol
[08:17] <kalikiana> Yep, except that it makes me think of cats until I realize it's that token. :P
[08:18] <Ben_Cs> yes. a type of miyau
[08:18] <Ben_Cs> :)
[08:33] <Ben_Cs> where do i put an icon theme? ~/.themes or ~/.icons or where?
[08:38] <Ben_Cs> never mind. found it. ~/.icons it is
[09:29] <dsmith_> hi
[09:29] <dsmith_> in trying to log into a xfce session
[09:29] <dsmith_> it says I have ben loged in less then 10 seconds
[09:29] <dsmith_> then kicks me out
[11:47] <m0u5e> i hope they'll build a instant search feature into thunar -_-;
[11:47] <m0u5e> it'll be so much easier to sort through my documents in a large folder that way...
[11:48] <predaeus> m0u5e, as far as I know thunar has the instant search feature.
[11:59] <kalikiana_> m0u5e, Just type a few letters and Thunar will try to find the first file beginning with those letters.
[12:00] <m0u5e> kalikiana_: for some reason its not working ;_;
[12:01] <m0u5e> kalikiana_: ohh wait, thats not what im talking about
[12:01] <m0u5e> kalikiana_: i mean like a search filter, where i type in letters (like in firefox) and it will instantly start mataching up files with those strings
[12:01] <m0u5e> kalikiana_: in the folder, ... it makes it easier fo rme to move like a bunch of files with "1881052" at the beginning, to a folder
[12:02] <kalikiana_> That's exactly what it does. Otherwise yu are explaining it very wrong. :/
[12:28] <xor> thunar does need a proper search though
[12:28] <xor> it only searches at the beginning of the filename
[12:48] <TheSheep> xor: use meta tracker
[01:06] <hyper_ch> TheSheep: hiho
[01:08] <TheSheep> hyper_ch: hi
[01:09] <hyper_ch> TheSheep: how are you?
[01:09] <TheSheep> hyper_ch: sleepy
[01:09] <hyper_ch> TheSheep: yeah, it's early morning
[01:09] <TheSheep> ...
[01:10] <hyper_ch> ;)
[01:10] <TheSheep> . . .
[01:11] <hyper_ch> TheSheep: what you're up to?
[01:12] <TheSheep> hyper_ch: learning django at the moment
[01:12] <hyper_ch> TheSheep: django?
[01:12] <TheSheep> http://www.djangoproject.com
[01:13] <hyper_ch> not the music instrument then ;)
[01:13] <TheSheep> hyper_ch: no, jazz musician
[01:14] <TheSheep> hyper_ch: Django Reinhardt
[01:14] <hyper_ch> TheSheep: dunno him ;)
[01:15] <TheSheep> hyper_ch: he was good
[01:15] <hyper_ch> dunno jazz at all
[01:16] <hyper_ch> TheSheep: each one his own taste in music
[01:17] <hyper_ch> TheSheep: if you wanna see mine, let me know :)
[01:17] <TheSheep> hyper_ch: it's good to have some basic understanding of one's own cultural heritage
[01:18] <TheSheep> hyper_ch: sure always eager to learn :)
[01:18] <hyper_ch> i've always been special regarding my taste of music ;)
[01:18] <TheSheep> hyper_ch: everyone is special
[01:19] <hyper_ch> I've never much bothered for lyrics in music... more whether I like how it sounds
[01:45] <wlfwhiterabbit> hi! plese, where should i click in order to set my lan card settings?
[01:45] <wlfwhiterabbit> please*
[01:45] <hyper_ch> wlfwhiterabbit: Applications --> System --> Networking
[01:48] <wlfwhiterabbit> hyper_ch: yes, but my problem is that when i booted the pc wasnt linked to the router, and after having realized the link, in app-sys-net i couldn manage anything to say to my lan card "search the router and connect to it"
[01:48] <hyper_ch> wlfwhiterabbit: ????
[01:50] <wlfwhiterabbit> hyper_ch: sorry... doesn't matter (now i'm chatting because it's all right, but i had to reset in order to make it work)
[04:13] <foxray> i hear its possible to convert from ubuntu to xubuntu but is it possible to keep the gnome ubuntu as well?
[04:16] <Pumpernickel> That's the easiest way to do it, actually.  Getting rid of the Gnome parts is harder.
[04:16] <Pumpernickel> Install the 'xubuntu-desktop' package, and you'll have everything that makes Xubuntu what it is.
[04:16] <foxray> wasn't the whole reason of xubuntu
[04:16] <foxray> to get rid of the gnome dependencies?
[04:17] <foxray> i kinda have a low end computer a P3 700mhz and original ubuntu runs kinda sluggish on it
[04:17] <Pumpernickel> Within itself, yes.  But you can still install anything from Ubuntu, Kubuntu, Edubuntu, et al inside it.
[04:18] <Pumpernickel> The packages don't conflict (much).
[04:18] <foxray> no use to debian just yet, i'm a rhel admin for a living
[04:18] <foxray> so debian is unfamiliar territory
[05:07] <yotux> does anyone know howto change usplash settings
[05:08] <Pumpernickel> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/USplashCustomizationHowto
[05:09] <yotux> Pumpernickel: Thank you have install xubuntu and splash res to out of my lcds spec range
[05:48] <illu45> Hello, could someone here help with a gcc-config/c compiler problem on gutsy?
[05:49] <thingy> illu45: What's the issue?
[05:51] <illu45> Well, I'm trying to get sound to work on my T61, following the steps here, as the easy fix didn't work: http://tinyurl.com/36khy7, and when I try to configure the patched alsa, it says: C compiler cannot create executables. When I run gcc-config, it says command not found.
[05:53] <thingy> illu45: Have you installed the build-essentials package?
[05:53] <illu45> hm, not sure.
[05:54] <illu45> Er, I can't seem to find it in the repos.
[05:54] <Pumpernickel> !info build-essential
[05:54] <ubotu> build-essential: informational list of build-essential packages. In component main, is optional. Version 11.3 (feisty), package size 6 kB, installed size 48 kB
[05:54] <Pumpernickel> ...voila.
[05:55] <thingy> oops..my mistake. there was no s at the end...correct pkg name is build-essential
[05:55] <illu45> ah, ok
[05:55] <illu45> Nope, don't have it yet. Will give that a try :)
[05:56] <Jester45> when did tribe 5 get released
[05:57] <illu45> Hm..a few days ago, I think
[05:58] <Pumpernickel> Sometime about the 23rd, I think.
[05:59] <thingy> illu45: To give you a more accurate idea of whats involved in compiling alsa drivers from tar balls, look here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HdaIntelSoundHowto
[05:59] <thingy> illu45: it says you will also need the ncurses-dev gettext and linux-headers-`uname -r`
[06:00] <illu45> thingy, ah, all right, will take a look at it. That seems to have solved the C compiler problem, though, so thanks for the help :)
[06:00] <illu45> Hm... it seemed to get through the configure without any problems. Will install those if it fails to make, though
[06:04] <ricky90> how can I disable the "desktop zoom"???? I haven't compiz fusion, only ubuntu server + xfce
[06:05] <ricky90> please
[06:13] <thingy> ricky90: how do you do this zoom feature? ctrl + alt + + ?
[06:14] <ricky90> nothing :(
[06:14] <thingy> eh?
[06:14] <thingy> how do you activate this desktop zoom features?
[06:15] <ricky90> I haven't activated nothing
[06:15] <thingy> what keys are pressed or mouse actions done?
[06:15] <ricky90> I have only installed xfce on ubuntu-server
[06:16] <ricky90> the max resolution on my ibook 12 inch is only 1024 x 768
[06:16] <thingy> ricky90: ok is your monitor operating at some low resolution like 800x600 and you want it to be higher like 1024x768 etc? is that what you mean by desktop zoom?
[06:16] <ricky90> no no
[06:16] <thingy> ok i give up then
[06:16] <thingy> i dont know wha tyou mean
[06:16] <ricky90> The desktop is zoomed
[06:16] <ricky90> and when I go to the margin with the mouse
[06:17] <ricky90> the screen moves with the mouse
[06:17] <ricky90> sorry for my english
[06:17] <thingy> ricky90: The problem is that your Virtual desktop value is > then the screen res. to fix it you need to modify the /etc/X11/xorg.conf file
[06:18] <thingy> ricky90: pastebin your /etc/X11/xorg.conf file and tell us what your screen resolution is
[06:19] <ricky90> then: I set 800x600 there isn't this effect. But the max resolution on Mac OSX is 1024x768
[06:19] <ricky90> I want to use that resolution...
[06:20] <thingy> ricky90: pastebin your /etc/X11/xorg.conf file and pastebin /var/log/X*.log (i forget what its actually called)
[06:22] <laserbeak43> whats git?
[06:23] <thingy> linus's source code management system
[06:23] <thingy> is also a rude word in the uk
[06:23] <laserbeak43> oh
[06:23] <laserbeak43> yeah it's what we used to call annoying kids in miami
[06:25] <illu45> thingy, do you by any chance know how to install the gnome sound manager in xubuntu?
[06:26] <thingy> illu45: no. Haven't done that. That would definitely bring in a lot of gnome dependancies though. How come you want to install it?
[06:26] <ricky90> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/35130/
[06:27] <illu45> Yes, I was afraid that it would. Well, the howto I'm following uses it, and I can't seem to find an equivalent for a "switches" tab in the xfce sound manager
[06:27] <illu45> howto link, if you want to see it: http://forums.fedoraforum.org/showthread.php?t=159516&page=1&pp=15
[06:28] <thingy> illu45: you can use alsamixer to do the same thing
[06:29] <thingy> illu45: use left right arrow keys in alsamixer to move between the settings and use the m key to mute/unmute or the up down arrow keys to increase decrease volume
[06:29] <thingy> illu45: or you can use amixer and specify params to it do the same thing
[06:29] <thingy> illu45: youll have to man amixer to find out the params since i dont recall them off hand
[06:29] <illu45> thingy, ah, all right. I'll take a look at that, thanks.
[06:30] <thingy> illu45: alsamixer might be in the alsa-utils package in case you get a command not found
[06:30] <thingy> ricky90: whats the model of the mac you have?
[06:30] <illu45> Ah. No, I can launch alsamixer without any trouble, but I only see a Master and PCM slider, which are both unmuted and set to 100.
[06:31] <ricky90> ibook G4 12 inch
[06:31] <thingy> illu45: have you modifed the modprobe.conf file and added the options snd-hda-intel index=0 model=thinkpad bit? since that bit my specify some more mixers
[06:31] <thingy> you will need to unload and reload the modules
[06:32] <illu45> Hm. I added that line in, yes. But I don't think I reloaded the module.
[06:33] <illu45> Should a system reboot do it?
[06:33] <thingy> yep
[06:34] <illu45> ah, ok
[06:35] <ricky90> thingy, if I do a xorg-reconfigure it's the same thing?
[06:36] <thingy> ricky90: I was looking at your xorg.conf file and its ok...your using the fb driver and the log reports that 1024x768 is a supported mode
[06:37] <thingy> ricky90: but it then says that the mode isn't a default mode...i suspect its the HorizSync	28-51
[06:37] <thingy> 	VertRefresh	43-60 lines which may be stopping X from setting the mode to 1024x768
[06:38] <thingy> ricky90: can you comment out lines 104 and 105 in the pastebin which are in your xorg.conf file and reboot the box
[06:38] <ricky90> ok I do it and shoutdown. Thanks a lot for your support
[06:39] <ricky90> I have a enormeus headache
[06:39] <illu45> thingy, hm, I've added the line (and rebooted now), but I still have no sound and only two sliders in alsamixer. I'm guessing that I messed up the patch?
[06:41] <Ben_Cs> hello
[06:41] <Ben_Cs> well. back to good-old xubuntu
[06:41] <thingy> illu45: have you tested sound? by playing an mp3 etc?
[06:41] <thingy> swap/an/a
[06:42] <illu45> thingy, yep. I tried both the movie and the soundbite that come as examples with the install.
[06:46] <thingy> illu45: does the blurb here match what you did? http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/Installing_Ubuntu_7.04_(Feisty_Fawn)_on_a_ThinkPad_T61#ALSA_driver_update_.28hard_fix.2C_recommended_for_advanced_users.29
[06:46] <illu45> thingy, yep
[06:47] <thingy> illu45: specifically, "When doing "cp ../patch_analog.c alsa-driver-1.0.14/alsa-kernel/pci/hda/" use "cp ../patch_analog.c alsa-kernel/pci/hda/" instead Also, when you get to the part about modifying the modprobe.conf file, it doesn't exist in ubuntu. Adding "options snd-hda-intel index=0 model=thinkpad" to any file (even one you make yourself) inside etc/modprobe.d should work. I personally added it to the options file, and it works fine."
[06:48] <illu45> Yes, I figured they made a typo in the cp command. Although I'm not sure about the file modification
[06:49] <illu45> I just used "gksudo mousepad /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base" and appeneded that line to the end of the file
[06:50] <thingy> illu45: try this: sudo rmmod snd-hda-intel; sudo modprobe snd-hda-intel index=0 model=thinkpad
[06:50] <thingy> illu45: does that produce a change in the mixers shown in alsamixer?
[06:51] <illu45> thingy, it says "ERROR: Module snd_hda_intel is in use"
[06:52] <thingy> illu45: hmm are you playing anything or is there a sound server running?
[06:53] <illu45> thingy, hm... Not playing anything, no. Not sure about the sound server, though
[06:54] <illu45> the xfce4-mixer-plugin is running... Trying to kill it now.
[06:55] <illu45> ah, ok
[06:55] <illu45> Hm. The command runs fine now, but no change in alsamixer, no
[06:56] <thingy> illu45: I read a bit more of that fedora forums post. Did you install all the patches to the alsa tarball? It actually recommends to just get the cvs version of alsa since it has everything already in it
[06:57] <illu45> Hm, I think I only got the patch_analog.c patch... I was looking for the cvs version of alsa, but couldn't seem to find it.
[06:58] <thingy> illu45: there are three patches: Fix Oops with AD1984 thinkpad model
[06:58] <thingy> Fix AD1984 basic model
[06:58] <thingy> Fix Thinkpad X61/T61 outputs
[06:58] <illu45> would the "rsync -avz --delete --exclude=.hg* rsync://alsa.alsa-project.org/hg [your_directory]  " command work?
[06:58] <thingy> illu45: lemme see if there is already any instructions on compiling cvs alsa in ubuntu
[06:59] <illu45> Ah, all right, thanks
[06:59] <thingy> illu45: here this looks good: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=3210562
[07:00] <thingy> illu45: see the post by socrates.wei
[07:00] <illu45> Hm, ok. Looking at it now
[07:02] <illu45> Hm, on the alsa-project.org link that he specifies, the download link says "This is the link to the main ALSA drivers, not the CVS versions.", is that all right?
[07:05] <thingy> illu45: The instructions are what need to be followed to get the cvs version. the link indeed only points to the releases
[07:06] <Ben_Cs> is there a linux alternative to soulseek?
[07:06] <TheSheep> Ben_Cs: what's soulseek?
[07:06] <illu45> Ben_Cs, try http://www.sensi.org/~ak/pyslsk/
[07:07] <Ben_Cs> thanks
[07:07] <illu45> thingy, ah, all right. So the I can use the link to get the release, and then follow the instructions to sync with the cvs version?
[07:10] <thingy> illu45: umm you could just run the rsync commands instead since otherwise if the release and cvs folder structure don't match it will re-download things again anyway
[07:11] <illu45> thingy, ah, ok
[07:14] <illu45> So, once I've done the rsync, I should just go into my alsa dir and run ./configure, etc, or will I have to go into all of the components' dirs and run ./configure etc. in each one?
[07:16] <illu45> Or, rather. Should I run ./configure etc. in just the alsa-driver dir, or in all of the components?
[07:16] <thingy> just in the alsa-driver dir
[07:17] <illu45> ah, ok
[07:18] <Ben_Cs> illu45: nice soulseek client
[07:18] <illu45> Erm, it seems there's no configure file in the alsa-driver dir
[07:19] <thingy> illu45: "Run the autoconf command to create the configure script"
[07:19] <illu45> Ben_Cs, ah, I haven't used it much. Don't use soulseek often.
[07:19] <illu45> thingy, ah, oops. Thanks :)
[07:24] <illu45> thingy, hm, sorry, one more thing. When I run ./configure --help, I don't see any --with-cards options. This is the output I get: http://pastebin.com/d3c6344d7
[07:26] <thingy> illu45: did you have to install automake/autoconf and libtool?
[07:27] <illu45> thingy, yes, I installed automake/autoconf manually. Installing libtool now as well.
[07:28] <thingy> it could be a typo i think...since they are asking to do a configure --help and the next line is asking to do a cvscompile --with-cards=emu10k1,usb-audio so...what does the output of cvscompile --help produce?
[07:28] <thingy> if it starts compiling then ofcourse ctrl-c it :-)
[07:29] <illu45> all right, will try :)
[07:30] <illu45> thingy, ah, ok, that gives me a --with-cards list. Not sure which one to pick, though.
[07:31] <thingy> illu45: pastebin the list
[07:31] <illu45> thingy, http://pastebin.com/d4f3bef35
[07:32] <thingy> illu45: you need hda-intel i think
[07:32] <illu45> ah, ok. Will try that
[07:32] <Ben_Cs> gxine crashes after i click close after config wizard. part of error code: The error was 'BadAlloc (insufficient resources for operation)'. any ideas?
[07:33] <thingy> illu45: for the options, just enable all options
[07:36] <illu45> thingy, well, it seems to have compiled and installed fine.
[07:37] <illu45> Ben_Cs, I've never had much luck with gxine, sorry.
[07:38] <Ben_Cs> ok
[07:38] <illu45> thingy, I'll try a reboot and see what happens :).
[07:38] <thingy> Ben_Cs: gxine is buggy. Use the xine-ui package instead
[07:39] <thingy> !info xine-ui
[07:39] <ubotu> xine-ui: the xine video player, user interface. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.99.4+dfsg+cvs20061111-2ubuntu2 (feisty), package size 1483 kB, installed size 3532 kB
[07:41] <Jester45> xine sucks use vlc or mplayer
[07:42] <illu45> thingy, hm... still no sound, and I can't seem to open alsamixer. Gives this error: alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such device
[07:43] <thingy> illu45: pastebin the output of lsmod, sounds like the modules didn't load
[07:45] <thingy> argh...where did I put my xubuntu cd...blast!
[07:45] <illu45> thingy, lsmod pastebin: http://pastebin.com/d5939cb5
[07:47] <thingy> illu45: yep it hasn't loaded your sound card module...it shouldve been snd-hda-intel i think
[07:47] <thingy> illu45: can you check /lib/modules/blah to see if snd-hda* exists somewhere in that tree
[07:47] <illu45> sure
[07:47] <thingy> illu45: find /lib/modules -iname "snd-*" for example
[07:48] <illu45> thingy, output: http://pastebin.com/d705318f5
[07:48] <illu45> seems to exist
[07:48] <thingy> hmm there it is: /lib/modules/2.6.22-10-generic/ubuntu/media/snd-hda-intel
[07:49] <thingy> so what happens when you do a modprobe snd-hda-intel options suff here thinkpad somethign somethign
[07:50] <illu45> you mean "options snd-hda-intel index=0 model=thinkpad" ?
[07:50] <illu45> in modprobe.d?
[07:50] <thingy> yep that
[07:50] <thingy> so do a modprobe snd-hda-instal index=0 model=thinkpad
[07:51] <illu45> Hm... "FATAL: Module snd_hda_instal not found"
[07:52] <thingy> illu45: is there a update-modules or modules-update command in ubuntu? im rebuilding my box and so i dont have access to an installation at the mo.
[07:52] <thingy> or you could do a depmod -a i think
[07:52] <thingy> but do a update-modules if it exists
[07:53] <illu45> Er, did you mean dong "modprobe snd-hda-intel index=0 model=thinkpad" ?
[07:53] <thingy> yes
[07:53] <thingy> but if its says snd_hda_install not found it could mean that modules depedancies are outta whack
[07:53] <illu45> Ah, all right. That gives a different error: "FATAL: Error inserting snd_hda_intel (/lib/modules/2.6.22-10-generic/ubuntu/media/snd-hda-intel/snd-hda-intel.ko): Unknown symbol in module, or unknown parameter (see dmesg)"
[07:54] <illu45> update-modules gives no errors
[07:54] <thingy> after doing the update-modules
[07:54] <thingy> do a depmod -a as well
[07:54] <thingy> and then retry the modprobe command
[07:54] <thingy> same thing?
[07:54] <illu45> no errors for depmod -a
[07:57] <thingy> illu45: well?
[07:58] <illu45> ah, sorry, yes, same error
[07:58] <illu45> sudo modprobe snd-hda-intel index=0 model=thinkpad
[07:58] <illu45> FATAL: Error inserting snd_hda_intel (/lib/modules/2.6.22-10-generic/ubuntu/media/snd-hda-intel/snd-hda-intel.ko): Unknown symbol in module, or unknown parameter (see dmesg)
[07:58] <Ben_Cs> how do i search for a file in xfce?
[07:59] <thingy> illu45: can you remove the parameters in both the modules.conf file in /etc and from the cli when you type in the modprobe command
[07:59] <thingy> illu45: basically am trying to determine if the paramaters we're specifying is whats causing the message or is it a missing symbol
[08:00] <illu45> ah, so just do a sudo modprobe snd-hda-intel (and remove the other two parameters in the /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base file as well?)
[08:00] <thingy> illu45: yes
[08:01] <cheeseboy> hi dhcliassigns me an ip but i still have no internet what do i do?
[08:01] <thingy> illu45: after removing the stuff in alsa-base(just comment it out) also do a update-modules and depmod -a
[08:01] <thingy> cheeseboy: can you ping your gateway?
[08:02] <ricky90> thingy, now I have started the pc and it's all ok. Thanks. You're a genie
[08:02] <thingy> ricky90: heh
[08:02] <ricky90> really!
[08:02] <ricky90> :D
[08:03] <illu45> thingy, still gives me the same error: sudo modprobe snd-hda-intel
[08:03] <illu45> FATAL: Error inserting snd_hda_intel (/lib/modules/2.6.22-10-generic/ubuntu/media/snd-hda-intel/snd-hda-intel.ko): Unknown symbol in module, or unknown parameter (see dmesg)
[08:03] <illu45> illusha@illusha-la
[08:04] <thingy> illu45: anything interesting in dmesg?
[08:06] <illu45> thingy, long output. I don't see much, but here's a pastebin of the end: http://pastebin.com/d5ce2c1db
[08:07] <cheeseboy> thingy no says operation not permitted
[08:07] <illu45> cheeseboy, try running it as root
[08:07] <illu45> or use sudo
[08:07] <cheeseboy> illu45: same thing
[08:08] <illu45> o.O
[08:08] <illu45> cheeseboy, what are you trying to do, exactly?
[08:08] <thingy> cheeseboy: pastebin output of ifconfig
[08:08] <cheeseboy> ping sendmsg: operation not permitted
[08:08] <cheeseboy> thingy i cant with no net
[08:09] <thingy> illu45: there's messages of module version mismatches and so can you confirm you did do all the steps in the alsa cvs guide?
[08:09] <cheeseboy> illu45 use the internet ..
[08:10] <thingy> cheeseboy: if dhcpclient is giving you an ip then the network card is talking tcpip fine...so i need to know what ethernet devices you have got there...in the output of ifconfig, does it show anything apart from eth0 and lo ? what is the ip of eth0
[08:10] <illu45> thingy, doh, it seems I forgot to compile alsa-utils and alsa-lib. Sorry about that
[08:11] <cheeseboy> thingy theres eth0  which i dont use lo and ra0 the one i use
[08:11] <cheeseboy> but i got same problem when i tried eth0
[08:11] <thingy> illu45: gah!! youre jus tlike me...always in a hurry and not reading things through. that way is harder I assure you
[08:12] <illu45> thingy, hehe, so I'm learning :D. Again, appologies.
[08:12] <thingy> cheeseboy: ok. so ra0 = wireless?
[08:12] <cheeseboy> thingy yes but i know its not wireless' fault
[08:13] <thingy> cheeseboy: heh. are you sure? cos thats the normal symptoms when your encryption doesn't match..you get an ip but no traffic
[08:13] <cheeseboy> thingy yes i got same errors with mode,m plugged directly into eth0
[08:14] <thingy> cheeseboy: you need to enable the logging features of the wlan tools and look at what its saying when it setups the wlan...
[08:14] <thingy> oh
[08:14] <thingy> cheeseboy: modem? in eth0?
[08:14] <cheeseboy> yes
[08:14] <thingy> cheeseboy: dsl modem or a analog modem?
[08:14] <thingy> swap/a/an
[08:14] <cheeseboy> i plugged modem directly into eth0
[08:14] <illu45> hm... seems I'm getting some python errors in configuring alsa-lib
[08:14] <cheeseboy> cable modem
[08:15] <thingy> illu45: patebin
[08:15] <thingy> pastebin even
[08:15] <illu45> thingy, just a moment
[08:15] <thingy> cheeseboy: in that case does your cable modem have any mac filtering ability? if so, is your computer network card + wireless card mac addresses added to the mac filter on the cable modem?
[08:16] <pilibeen> hi, i'm having a problem connecting to my unsecured wireless network. I can only connect to it when it's secured...is this a common bug?
[08:16] <cheeseboy> thingy no has nothing special like that
[08:16] <cheeseboy> something is broken in xubuntu
[08:17] <thingy> pilibeen: you really shouldnt be keeping the wireless unsecured. tempts people to abuse it
[08:17] <thingy> cheeseboy: ok ignore getting the wireless to start working, concentrate on the wired connectin first since it will be easier to debug. can you hook it up righ tnow
[08:17] <pilibeen> thingy: yeah i know...but sometimes i go to other houses and cant connect b/c theyre unsecured. it would be nice to be able to connect to open networks
[08:18] <cheeseboy> thingy no because i couldnt talk on irc then
[08:18] <illu45> thingy, too many errors, I just grabbed the tail: http://pastebin.com/d4af4d8a5
[08:19] <thingy> illu45: cant diag with that...need more of the output
[08:20] <illu45> thingy, all right, I think these are all the errors: http://pastebin.com/d6c6b198c
[08:21] <thingy> illu45: python.c:26:27: error: python/Python.h: No such file or directory <-- i think it wants the dev files for pything
[08:21] <thingy> python
[08:22] <illu45> hm, I got the python-dev files, but socrates.wei seems to have a solution
[08:22] <illu45> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=3210562
[08:22] <thingy> illu45: hmm so he does
[08:23] <cheeseboy> tingy any ideas?
[08:23] <thingy> cheeseboy: if you are stuck getting wireless to work, you are going to need to provide pastebins of the debug output so that people can see whats going on...ensure youve setup a crappy wireless psk as well
[08:23] <illu45> thingy, hm, all right... That seemed to have worked :)
[08:23] <cheeseboy> i know the wireless is fine
[08:24] <thingy> cheeseboy: how?
[08:24] <thingy> cheeseboy: just trying to understand what is and can be ruled out
[08:25] <cheeseboy> ive used it before
[08:26] <thingy> cheeseboy: ok...whats changed since then...have you done a dist upgrade, any new software installed? updates?
[08:26] <cheeseboy> yes
[08:26] <thingy> to which part?
[08:26] <cheeseboy> and had power failure diuring it
[08:26] <thingy> ugh
[08:26] <cheeseboy> all of the above
[08:27] <illu45> thingy, hm... more ./cvsconfig errors, now in alsa-utils :(. Pastebin: http://pastebin.com/d496c8280
[08:27] <thingy> to your recollection when was the last time it worked and what happened in between it working nad not working
[08:27] <cheeseboy> me?
[08:28] <thingy> cheeseboy: yes sorry
[08:28] <thingy> illu45: apt-get install gettext
[08:29] <illu45> thingy, ah
[08:29] <Jester45> illu45, thingy said that was a needed dependicy
[08:29] <cheeseboy> thingy it was working during apt-get upgrade but pc shut off during it then it didnt work again
[08:31] <thingy> cheeseboy: ack. a situ. like that will be difficult to resolve. your box could be hosed until you do a apt-get upgrade again somehow(i know without a network connection this will be impossible?)
[08:31] <illu45> Jester45, ah, yes. Found that bit now. Will install all the dependencies it lists
[08:31] <cheeseboy> not impoosible but pain in the arse
[08:32] <cheeseboy> need to download all the debs manually :(
[08:32] <Jester45> you can download files from a diffrentmachine or a livecd and then copy them to apt's archive then it will not look for the files oneline
[08:32] <thingy> cheeseboy: hmm lets see if googling helps in this case..what are symptoms...you cannot ping anything right? get a operation not permitted
[08:32] <Jester45> online*
[08:33] <cheeseboy> thingy only operation not permitted for router
[08:33] <cheeseboy> for like google.com nov such host
[08:33] <cheeseboy> no*
[08:34] <thingy> cheeseboy: if you do an ifconfig, can you paste on a line what it shows the ip, broadcast and gw values as? also do you have a /etc/resolv.conf file?
[08:34] <illu45> thingy, all right, I've followed the AlsaCVS instructions properly now. Will reboot and see what happens
[08:34] <thingy> illu45: are you sure you read everything ? :-)
[08:36] <illu45> thingy, yep... I'm not sure, though. Should I recompile alsa-driver now that I have the other bits done? It does say to do the alsa-driver before the -utils and -lib, though, so the order I did it in should be correct.
[08:36] <cheeseboy> thingy in /etc/resov.conf it says nameserver 192.168.1.1
[08:37] <thingy> illu45: ok reboot and see if works
[08:37] <illu45> thingy, all right
[08:37] <cheeseboy> resolv*
[08:37] <thingy> cheeseboy: and thats your router, so if you ping it you get operationg not permitted. btw, do you have a firewall on that box?
[08:38] <cheeseboy> yes yes and nope
[08:39] <thingy> cheeseboy: does this apply to you: http://www.uwsg.iu.edu/hypermail/linux/net/9805.2/0046.html
[08:41] <cheeseboy> thingy yes i got that error doin traceroute
[08:42] <illu45> thingy, hm... still no sound. Getting the same error for sudo modprobe snd-hda-intel: FATAL: Error inserting snd_hda_intel (/lib/modules/2.6.22-10-generic/ubuntu/media/snd-hda-intel/snd-hda-intel.ko): Unknown symbol in module, or unknown parameter (see dmesg)
[08:43] <illu45> running "alsamixer" outputs "alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such device"
[08:44] <thingy> illu45: after compiling the alsa-driver did you do a make install?
[08:45] <cheeseboy> thingy http://ubuntu-utah.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=345251 are my errors but he says it was iptables
[08:46] <illu45> Yes, I believe so. That was before I installed alsa-utils and alsa-lib, though.
[08:46] <thingy> cheeseboy: I saw that as well but you say you dont have a firewall on your box
[08:46] <thingy> illu45: Your steps to compile the driver should have been: cd alsa-driver;autoconf; ./cvscompile --with-cards=intel_hda; sudo make install
[08:47] <cheeseboy> thingy i do have iptables but i nvr tried using it
[08:47] <thingy> illu45: can you confirm that this is correct...specifically can you confirm that you specified --with-cards=intel_hda
[08:47] <illu45> thingy, yes, that's correct
[08:49] <thingy> illu45: can you please rm the snd-hda-intel.ko module in /lib/modules and redo these commands...and tell me if the snd-hda-intel.ko module re-appears. cd alsa-driver;autoconf; ./cvscompile --with-cards=intel_hda; sudo make install
[08:49] <cheeseboy> thingy what should my iptables look like?
[08:49] <thingy> cheeseboy: what when you list the rules?
[08:50] <cheeseboy> yesa
[08:50] <cheeseboy> if i do iptables -L
[08:51] <illu45> thingy, the snd-hda-intel.ko module is located in "/lib/modules/2.6.22-10-generic/ubuntu/media/snd-hda-intel/snd-hda-intel.ko". Should I rm just the file, or the whole dir?
[08:51] <thingy> cheeseboy: umm i don't know...i think iptables blocks by default and so if no rules it could be that it block everything
[08:51] <cheeseboy> @ thingy
[08:52] <thingy> illu45: just the module please..
[08:52] <illu45> thingy, all right
[08:52] <cheeseboy> ya i have no rules thingy
[08:52] <cheeseboy> i think @ least
[08:52] <thingy> cheeseboy: lemme find out what it means to have to no rules in iptables
[08:53] <cheeseboy> like if i did iptables -F
[08:53] <thingy> cheeseboy: well this links says by default it allows everything: http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-31663.html
[08:55] <illu45> thingy, I've deleted the file and re-run the ./cvscompile and make install. Here is the new output for "find /lib/modules -iname "snd-*"": http://pastebin.com/d3f536c2b
[08:55] <thingy> cheeseboy: are you sure the wireless is working fine? can you atleast enable the debug logs and look through to see if it associates successfully
[08:56] <thingy> illu45: ack!!
[08:56] <thingy> illu45: whats this: /lib/modules/2.6.22-10-generic/ubuntu/media/snd-hda-intel entry?
[08:57] <cheeseboy> thingy yes it get the essid name routers mac assigned an ip 80/100 link quality etc
[08:57] <thingy> cheeseboy: um from you current box, can you ping the ip assigned to the wireless box?
[08:57] <illu45> Just the folder, I believe. You'd said to only rm the file
[08:57] <thingy> illu45: can you try a update-modules and depmod -a again and then modprobe the driver now
[08:58] <illu45> thingy, sure
[08:58] <cheeseboy> thingy just incase how i tell iptables to acept anything?
[08:59] <cheeseboy> cause i see no accept
[08:59] <cheeseboy> only drop
[09:00] <illu45> thingy, running "sudo modprobe snd-hda-intel" now returns no errors (or anything else, for that matter).
[09:01] <illu45> thingy, ah, there we go. alsamixer works now, and after enabling the speaker, I get sound :)
[09:01] <thingy> cheeseboy: I don't know..I've tried googling just now and the closest I got is this: iptables -A INPUT -i ra0 -j ACCEPT ; iptables -A OUTPUT -o ra0 -j ACCEPT
[09:01] <thingy> illu45: YAY!!!
[09:02] <illu45> thingy, thanks so much for your help! Again, I appologize for my rashness
[09:02] <thingy> illu45: sure
[09:03] <thingy> illu45: put the options line back in alsa-base btw
[09:03] <thingy> and ensure it still works after doing a reboot
[09:03] <illu45> thingy, all right
[09:04] <illu45> should I do another update-modules; depmod -a; modprobe blah blah after adding the option back in?
[09:05] <thingy> yep since im pretty sure that the update-modules script merges in all the various module options and the depmod -a simply builds up the dependancy cache for the modules
[09:05] <thingy> so running them wont hurt and should produce no errors
[09:06] <illu45> Ah, all right :)
[09:07] <cheeseboy> thingy will you pastebin your iptables?
[09:07] <illu45> thingy, what does modprobe do, exactly?
[09:07] <thingy> cheeseboy: I don't have a working box right now...in fact am at the disk partitioning screen of the xubutu alternate installer...trying to make up my mind on how to partition :-)
[09:08] <cheeseboy> put your home on seperate partition
[09:08] <cheeseboy> rest doesnt matter
[09:08] <thingy> illu45: it loads a module and all its dependancies taking into account any options specified on the cli or in /etc/ somewhere
[09:08] <illu45> Oh, ok
[09:08] <illu45> All right, I will reboot, then. Will be back shortly.
[09:10] <cheeseboy> woot i got my ubuntu cds
[09:11] <thingy> cheeseboy: the free ones?
[09:12] <thingy> I showed a friend how to sign up for the free cds and he kept asking me...whats the catch? and I told him there were none and he wouldnt believe me.
[09:13] <illu45> woo, sound still works! :)
[09:14] <cheeseboy> thingy yes
[09:14] <cheeseboy> thingy can i finish the apt-get update from the live cd?
[09:15] <thingy> cheeseboy: hmm good idea...you;ll have to figure out a way of chrooting into your installed system while booted into the live cd
[09:15] <illu45> Thanks again, thingy. I really appreciate the help :)
[09:16] <thingy> illu45: np
[09:21] <thingy> cheeseboy: umm from doing chroots during installing gentoo, something like this might work...after your booted into the live cd, launch a term and mount your root as say /mnt/fiesty. then do a chroot /mnt/fiesty /bin/bash; source /etc/profile
[09:24] <Jester45> you can also tell apt where to apply things from
[09:25] <Jester45> so like a apt only chroot
[09:25] <cheesebo1> see thingy toldya wireless works :-P
[09:28] <thingy> not fair...i was going to point out that it only works since youve re-setup the config on the live cd and that the dist-upgrade may have screwed up the config on your box
[09:29] <cheesebo1> >:( old gaim
[09:33] <cheesebo1> ubuntu@ubuntu:~$ sudo mount /dev/sda5 /media/fiesty
[09:33] <cheesebo1> mount: unknown filesystem type 'LVM2_member'
[09:33] <cheesebo1> how do i fix that?
[09:34] <Jester45> put -t filesystemtype
[09:34] <Jester45> like ext3
[09:34] <cheesebo1> mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/sda5,
[09:35] <Jester45> well what type is it
[09:35] <Jester45> that was an example
[09:35] <thingy> cheesebo1: are you using lvm2 ?
[09:35] <cheesebo1> thingy yea
[09:36] <cheesebo1> dunno what the difference is tho
[09:36] <thingy> cheesebo1: is /dev/sda5 the lvm partition or the logical volume?
[09:36] <cheesebo1> not sure
[09:36] <thingy> cheeseboy: im new to lvm2 as well.. heh am installing it for the first time on this setup.
[09:37] <cheesebo1> ya what i did
[09:37] <cheesebo1> no idea what it is tho
[09:37] <thingy> cheesebo1: from the little i know about lvm2 so far...i think you have to use some other lvm2 specific command to mount stuff
[09:37] <thingy> i havetn actually booted into my box yet, the install is still working and once im in i can check and be sure
[09:38] <cheesebo1> anyone know the commands?
[09:39] <Jester45> google does
[09:39] <cheesebo1> google isnt a person
[09:39] <Jester45> yes it is
[09:39] <thingy> cheesebo1: heres some examples: http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/LVM-HOWTO/extendlv.html
[09:40] <Jester45> and how do you know im a person
[09:40] <thingy> cheesebo1: looks like the volume group will have a file in it which will be the device that gets mounted
[09:44] <cheesebo1> thingy how i figure out what that file is?
[09:44] <thingy> cheeseboy: umm
[09:46] <thingy> cheesebo1: it will be one of the vg* tools...my box running fsck at the moment...I hate it when ubuntu forces this after an install...bah! a fsck on a 600gb partition takes AGGGgeeeess.
[09:46] <thingy> ok here we go
[09:46] <thingy> finding out
[09:47] <thingy> cheeseboy: what does vgdisplay return on your box?
[09:47] <cheesebo1> bash: vgdisplay: command not found
[09:48] <thingy> cheesebo1: do you have an vg* commands? i.e. type in vg and then press tab twice
[09:48] <thingy>  cheesebo1: try typing in pvs
[09:49] <cheesebo1> nope
[09:49] <cheesebo1> bash: pvs: command not found
[09:50] <thingy> cheesebo1: is there a /dev/mapper folder on the live cd?
[09:51] <cheesebo1> thingy no
[09:52] <thingy> cheesebo1: maybe this helps: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LiveCdRecovery see the finding your root parititon bit
[09:56] <cheesebo1> /dev/sda5              32        4865    38829073+  8e  Linux LVM
[09:58] <cheesebo1> still no idea how to mount it
[09:59] <thingy> cheesebo1: most prob. your root partition is not on lvm2 since to do that requires manual steps in ubuntu. so your root partition cannot be /dev/sda5 since that is current marked as an lvm parition..or so I think...can you pastebin output of disk -l
[09:59] <thingy> fdisk -l
[10:00] <cheesebo1> http://rafb.net/p/ABgCay73.html
[10:01] <thingy> cheesebo1: there you go...sda1 is the root partition
[10:01] <cheesebo1> no its not
[10:02] <cheesebo1> all i have is boot stuff there
[10:04] <thingy> cheesebo1: the easiest thing you can do then is to reboot and when booted up in your own box to run vgdisplay -v as root and note down the LV Name and VG Name values for the root.
[10:07] <thingy> brb af
[10:07] <thingy> afk
[10:16] <Ben_Cs> hello
[10:21] <Jester45> hi
[10:23] <Ben_Cs> jester: happily back to xubuntu
[10:23] <Ben_Cs> :)
[10:24] <Ben_Cs> still i use many usefull kde apps
[10:25] <Ben_Cs> BTW why would anyone use xfce-terminal emulator. i like xterm much better
[10:25] <Jester45> was that a typo? you used kde and useful in the same sentence
[10:25] <Jester45> i like Terminal
[10:25] <Jester45> its prettier
[10:26] <Ben_Cs> Terminal has bugs with htop. when i press F10 for instance, it handles the shortcut as Terminal shortcut instead of htop shortcut
[10:26] <Jester45> i dont use htop
[10:27] <Ben_Cs> what do u use then?
[10:28] <Jester45> psaux iftop and top
[10:29] <Ben_Cs> i like htop
[10:29] <Ben_Cs> well, gotta go now. c u later then
[10:30] <Jester45> bye
[10:30] <Jester45> does anyone here not empty their trash to often?
[10:30] <Jester45> mine has 43577 items totalling 3,4 GB
[10:31] <Jester45> 34.4GB *
[10:32] <thingy> Jester45: jeez
[10:32] <Wizard> o_O
[10:32] <Jester45> im guessing that large
[10:34] <Jester45> i download a lot of movies and linux isos
[10:34] <Wizard> just to keep it in thrash ?
[10:34] <Jester45> no
[10:34] <Jester45> i just never empty
[10:34] <Jester45> incase i want to watch it again or use it
[10:35] <Jester45> if i run out of space i will empty
[10:39] <illu45> Ah, I usually empty often, but mine's been known to reach a few gigs
[10:41] <illu45> As far as xterm vs. Terminal goes, I prefer the simplicity of xterm, but its a pain when copying long outputs.
[10:42] <Jester45> so where is the trash stored at
[10:43] <One> hey, could I have some help? ive got a problem on boot: a 'buffer I/O error on sdb logical block 0', and the output seems to loop, and display more error messages: 'ata2.00: exception emask ... frozen'. the system basically doesn't seem to boot.
[10:44] <One> well, boot to a gui
[10:44] <relaxotan> hi
[10:45] <relaxotan> anyone here willing to answer some questions for me?
[10:45] <relaxotan> i'm new to linux
[10:45] <relaxotan> need a good distro for my low spec pc
[10:45] <relaxotan> thought xubuntu could be the one i need :)
[10:45] <relaxotan> got a 1.33 ghz cpu and 128 mb ram
[10:46] <relaxotan> enough to run smoothly?
[10:46] <illu45> Hm... I think you could run gnome on that, but yes, xfce would probably be better, especially with just 128MB of RAM
[10:46] <The_Kernel> yes
[10:46] <relaxotan> where can i get xfce?
[10:46] <illu45> I don't think you should have any trouble with smoothness with Xubuntu, no
[10:46] <The_Kernel> xubuntu is your friend
[10:46] <relaxotan> :)
[10:47] <illu45> xubuntu comes with xfce as the default desktop manager :)
[10:47] <relaxotan> i need to install xfce on top of it?
[10:47] <One> ...
[10:47] <relaxotan> ow ok :)
[10:47] <relaxotan> as i said i'm new to linux ;)
[10:48] <relaxotan> i never thought about installing it, but i got backtrack 2 together with my new wifi card
[10:48] <relaxotan> tried it, but i's way to heavy for my old lappy ...
[10:48] <cheeseboy> thingy you there?
[10:48] <illu45> backtrack 2?
[10:49] <relaxotan> will i be able to run the same aps on xubuntu as those available on the backtrack distro?
[10:49] <relaxotan> yeah
[10:49] <relaxotan> backtrack is a network security suite distro
[10:49] <relaxotan> looks nice
[10:49] <relaxotan> but way too heavy for my cpu :(
[10:50] <relaxotan> so maybeye xubuntu will do the trick ;)
[10:50] <illu45> Never heard of that one before. The apps should be compatible, yes. They probably won't be pre-installed, though. You'll have to get them from the repositories (using synaptic or apt-get install) or compile them from source, which you can get from the programs' websites
[10:50] <relaxotan> ok
[10:51] <One> hello?
[10:51] <relaxotan> http://www.remote-exploit.org/backtrack.html
[10:51] <relaxotan> this is a link to backtrack
[10:52] <relaxotan> now you know it too :)
[10:52] <illu45> Hehe, thanks
[10:53] <illu45> One, hm... the problem appears after the Xubuntu boot screen, I presume?
[10:53] <relaxotan> what problem?
[10:54] <One> after grub. it's installed, and i'm running it from the hard drive.
[10:54] <relaxotan> ow ok :)
[10:54] <One> @ relax: :P
[10:54] <illu45> Hm, right after GRUB? Before the boot screen?
[10:55] <illu45> Bah, seems I need to reboot, brb
[10:55] <One> k
[10:55] <illu45> firefox crashing
[10:56] <cheeseboy> how do i mount a lvm partition?
[10:58] <One> wb
[10:58] <illu45> ty
[10:59] <One> sorry, realised part of what I said was crap. I don't mean 'doesn't boot', I mean, doesn't get into the normal xubuntu os and gui.
[11:00] <One> *os environment
[11:00] <One> eh, i'm a linux newbie . (probably like everyone else coming here though, I s'pose)
[11:00] <illu45> Ah... do you see the boot screen before the error messege?
[11:00] <illu45> message?*
[11:02] <One> what exactly is the 'boot screen'?
[11:02] <One> I turn the thing on, and grub appears, I select to run, and the terminal-esque messages start to flow
[11:03] <One> and in those text messages, this error appears
[11:03] <illu45> Ah, ok
[11:03] <illu45> the "boot screen" is the thing that has a Xubuntu logo in the middle of the screen, with a small progress bar below it
[11:04] <One> ah, no, that doesn't appear afaik
[11:04] <illu45> Ah, ok... have you tried booting from a liveCD?
[11:05] <One> yes, that gets me to the boot screen
[11:06] <One> it has worked before the install, and got into the xubuntu gui
[11:06] <illu45> Ah, ok...
[11:06] <illu45> But you haven't been able to get to a GUI after having installed it?
[11:06] <One> yup
[11:08] <One> well, the error messages (and a lot of them) seem to loop for hours, so I presume I can't reach the gui
[11:08] <illu45> Hm... odd. The installation didn't give any errors?
[11:09] <One> the os was very, very slow to work with from the livecd, but the install worked (the second time round, the first time it was complaining about permissions to mount the hd, which mysteriously didn't appear second time)
[11:10] <illu45> Ah... hm... Can you boot into the Recovery mode?
[11:10] <One> it gives the same error messages
[11:11] <One> well, afaik. it operates very slowly (system is 333mhz amd k6-2, pc100 316mb ram (says memtest))
[11:12] <illu45> Ah, ok
[11:12] <illu45> Wow... 333Mhz...
[11:13] <One> brb
[11:13] <illu45> ok
[11:14] <illu45> I'm not really sure what the problem is... If it was just a GUI issue, I would say reconfigure xorg, but since you can't boot into Recovery mode either, it seems the issue is more serious than that
[11:18] <cheeseboy> how  do i mount lvm partition from live cd?
[11:19] <relaxotan> dudes
[11:19] <One> bk. i'll try recovery mode again, to make sure.
[11:19] <relaxotan> got some starnge behaviour while installing xubuntu :(
[11:19] <relaxotan> in the normal installer mode i get a blackscree
[11:19] <relaxotan> blackscreen*
[11:20] <relaxotan> in the safe grafix mode i get all kinds of colored vertical lines on my screen
[11:22] <relaxotan> maybeye it is not compatible with my cgrafix card?
[11:22] <relaxotan> it's all intel chips in my lappy, should not be a problem, not?
[11:31] <cheeseboy> help???
[11:33] <Ben_Cs[away] > lvm?
[11:33] <Ben_Cs[away] > what's that
[11:33] <Ben_Cs[away] > ?
[11:35] <cheeseboy> i dont think you can helpif you dont know what it is
[11:39] <Ben_Cs[away] > but i just want to know
[11:40] <Ben_Cs> just read about usb 3.0 aka wireless usb. well, nice for periferials but how about boosting the usb flash drives speed?
[11:56] <cheeseboy> root@ubuntu:~# chroot /media/gusty
[11:56] <cheeseboy> chroot: cannot run command `/bin/bash': Permission denied
[11:57] <cheeseboy> what i do wrong?
[12:07] <illu45> cheeseboy, chmod +x [file  name] 
[12:09] <cheeseboy> illu45: what file i chmod?
[12:10] <illu45> cheeseboy, what are you trying to run?
[12:10] <illu45> oh
[12:10] <cheeseboy> chroot into my broken install
[12:10] <illu45> er, just do sudo chmod /media/gutsy instead
[12:11] <cheeseboy> +x ?
[12:12] <cheeseboy> illu45: u mean chmod +x ?
[12:12] <illu45> Bah, "sudo chroot /media/gutsy"
[12:12] <illu45> without the quotes
[12:12] <extrasticky> hi
[12:13] <cheeseboy> root@ubuntu:~# chroot /media/gusty
[12:13] <cheeseboy> chroot: cannot run command `/bin/bash': Permission denied
[12:13] <illu45> hi
[12:13] <illu45> oh, you are root..
[12:13] <illu45> odd.
[12:14] <illu45> what are the permissions on /media/gutsy?
[12:14] <cheeseboy> i like being root
[12:14] <cheeseboy> :-P
[12:14] <illu45> hehe
[12:15] <extrasticky> I installed xubuntu, worked fine with the alternate cd, then i just ran a terminal and wanted to do a "sudo vi /etc/network/interfaces" (or wherever you specify a gateway), sudo rejected my (user)password and now the login screen also rejects my password, i can't log into xubutun anymore. what's going wrong?
[12:15] <extrasticky> sorry, i didn't find anything sufficent via google
[12:16] <cheeseboy> illu45: how i get the permissions of it?
[12:19] <illu45> cheeseboy, not sure, actually. Try just doing sudo chmod 777 /media/gutsy
[12:21] <cheeseboy> chmod: changing permissions of `/media/gusty': Read-only file system
[12:26] <cheeseboy> illu45: help
[12:26] <illu45> cheeseboy, er, so the chmod was fine?
[12:26] <cheeseboy> i dont know
[12:26] <Jester45> no
[12:27] <Jester45> its a readonly file system
[12:27] <illu45> Ah, ok
[12:27] <cheeseboy> how do i fix that?
[12:27] <Jester45> so remount rw
[12:27] <cheeseboy> ?
[12:28] <Jester45> use mount with the remount option
[12:28] <Jester45> it wull umount and remount with write permissions
[12:28] <Jester45> man mount
[12:28] <cheeseboy> remount /dev/sda5/ubuntu-server /media/gusty
[12:28] <cheeseboy> like that?
[12:28] <Jester45> no
[12:28] <Jester45> use man its your friend
[12:29] <cheeseboy> man is my enemy
[12:29] <Jester45> you will learn a lot morethan sitting here asking how to do everything
[12:30] <cheeseboy> no i wont
[12:30] <cheeseboy> id just waste more time reading the man
[12:30] <Jester45> like if you read it in the first place you would know how to remount
[12:32] <extrasticky> cheeseboy: reading man pages is something you'll get used to
[12:32] <extrasticky> if you do it
[12:33] <cheeseboy> well it isnt working
[12:33] <tetragon> cheeseboy: After a while, manpages became the first place I would look for instructions
[12:35] <s-x-u>  i became a member of the xubuntu users team (because i am one) but couldnt find any info on what this team is doing is it only to count how many are using xubuntu ?
[12:37] <s-x-u> (on launchpad)
[12:41] <s-x-u> i also found if i click the answers tab there are a few actions i can click : Answered, Assigned, Asked, Commented,  Need attention, Subscribed,  and Answer contact for. but no action to actually ask a question ...?
[12:41] <s-x-u> 
[12:42] <TheSheep> s-x-u: #launchpad
[12:43] <s-x-u> TheSheep: already moving over there maybe you can explain me there ?:)
[12:44] <TheSheep> s-x-u: if I could, I'd explain already, but because I don't know the answers, I pointed you to the channel with People Who Know :)
[12:45] <s-x-u> you are also member i see your face on the team photo am i right ?
[12:46] <extrasticky> so, does anyone know a solution to my problem, maybe?
[12:47] <s-x-u> extrasticky: what is your problem i just joined ?
[12:48] <extrasticky> I installed xubuntu, worked fine with the alternate cd, then i just ran a terminal and wanted to do a "sudo vi /etc/network/interfaces" (or wherever you specify a gateway), sudo rejected my (user)password and now the login screen also rejects my password, i can't log into xubutun anymore. what's going wrong?
[12:48] <extrasticky> i forgot, after the "sudo" i tried a "su" (i hadn't read by then, that the root account is disabled by default)
[12:50] <TheSheep> extrasticky: it shoouldn't break anything :/
[12:50] <s-x-u> reboot and in grub select recovery mode than with useradd you can make a new user for administrator rights you have to ask someone else
[12:51] <TheSheep> extrasticky: you can just set a new password with passwd from the recovery mode too
[12:52] <s-x-u> jester45 is right you know (too) much about linux :) thesheep
[12:52] <tetragon> And on the note of my non-booting due to kernel hang Thinkpad of a couple days ago:  still not booting the 7.04 kernel, the last reported working kernel falls on the wrong side of a udev limit to work with 7.04
[12:53] <TheSheep> tetragon: you tried various kernel options at boot?
[12:53] <tetragon> TheSheep: The usual ones
[12:53] <s-x-u> hi tetragon bad luck i thought you already used your new super 7.04 system
[12:54] <TheSheep> tetragon: there is also thinkpad wiki dedicated to to various issues ith thinkpads
[12:54] <tetragon> TheSheep: I was able to convince the installer to work (for some values of)
[12:54] <extrasticky> s-x-u, The-Kernel: ok i'll try that
[12:54] <tetragon> TheSheep: And there's no mention of this on thinkwiki
[12:54] <extrasticky> but the installation and everything was so easy and colourfull
[12:54] <TheSheep> tetragon: what model of thinkpad is it?
[12:54] <extrasticky> and now it's confusing and wrong
[12:54] <tetragon> TheSheep: An i1200
[12:55] <tetragon> tetragon: People have had it working with 2.6.15
[12:55] <s-x-u> extrasticky: that is with every thing as long as it works it is beautiful but if it dont it is nightmare
[12:57] <TheSheep> tetragon: say, does it have serial ata?
[12:57] <tetragon> TheSheep: Nope
[12:59] <TheSheep> tetragon: any suspicious bios options? :)
[12:59] <tetragon> TheSheep: Nope
[12:59] <extrasticky> s-x-u: the only unix os i used before was freebsd...
[01:00] <tetragon> TheSheep: Where it hangs depends upon the option set
[01:00] <TheSheep> tetragon: there is someone who claims to have 7.04 instaleld without any problems and tricks: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=433108
[01:00] <tetragon> TheSheep: The last one I tried was after '[  59.252560]  SCSI subsystem initialized' but I've gotten further in the past
[01:01] <TheSheep> tetragon: there seemsto be a solution: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=473510
[01:02] <TheSheep> tetragon: if it works for you, add it to the thinkwiki :)
[01:03] <s-x-u> tetragon: we didnt try the irqpoll
[01:03] <s-x-u> (for as far i can remember
[01:03] <s-x-u> )
[01:03] <tetragon> TheSheep: It doesn't need 'vga=792' when I did it, but I normally don't play with graphics when difficulties arise
[01:03] <tetragon> And I did use irqpoll in the past
[01:04] <s-x-u> ok
[01:05] <s-x-u> you better try to change your thinkpad for a hp compaq presario v5236ea
[01:06] <tetragon> s-x-u: Not my thinkpad
[01:06] <s-x-u> hihi