[05:21] <nixternal> Jucato: !@#@)*))!)!!) WECLCOME BACK!!!!
[05:21] <nixternal> tried to sneak in here :)
[05:21] <Jucato> hehehe! hi nixternal! :O)
[05:21] <Jucato> thanks :)
[05:21] <nixternal> I see you got your qt book
[05:21] <Jucato> finally!!!
[05:21] <Jucato> after.. um... a year since publication? hahaha
[05:22] <nixternal> I just grabbed the "foundations" book and danimo's book...both good books as well
[05:22] <Jucato> grr!!
[05:22] <nixternal> truthfully, I like it the best though over the 2 new books
[05:22] <Jucato> the only other Qt book available is the Design Patterns one...
[05:22] <nixternal> danimo's book is damn close though...he hits some things like designer which is cool
[05:23] <ScottK> nixternal: Good enough you can finish the pinentry-qt4 port yet?
[05:23] <nixternal> ya, the bruce perens books are garbage..I have the design patterns one as well
[05:23] <nixternal> ScottK: ya, I need to get some time here and start working on it
[05:23] <Jucato> now all we need is a KDE book... which can't be started until 4.0 at least :(
[05:23] <ScottK> Cool.  I'll keep harassing you.
[05:23] <nixternal> I know you will :)
[05:23] <Jucato> luckily the other bruce perens books are free to download :)
[05:24] <nixternal> so far, only Hobbsee can out harass you
[05:24] <Jucato> she can outharass anyone :)
[05:24] <ScottK> But right now I have to give a presentation on Tuesday in San Francisco, I fly tomorrow, and I haven't started it.
[05:24] <nixternal> I love when people go out and buy an ipod, then drop it off with like 50 cds they want copied over
[05:24] <ScottK> And I need data from the internet to do it, so I can't do it on the plane....
[05:24] <nixternal> ScottK: ouch!
[05:25] <nixternal> I just started messing with latex-beamer these past couple of days
[05:25] <nixternal> I think it is the best thing ever for a nice style and everything
[05:25] <Jucato> I always think of something else whenever I hear/see latex :)
[05:25] <Jucato> ok back to work..
[05:25] <nixternal> prevert!
[05:26] <nixternal> ya, I am getting ready to head to bed
[05:26] <nixternal> g'nite all
[05:26] <Jucato> heheh g'night then!
[05:26] <Jucato> see you when you wake up heheeh
[05:26] <nixternal> true that
[05:26] <Jucato> I'll be here again from now on :P
[05:28] <DaSkreech> nixternal: MMMM .ogg :)
[05:42] <Tm_T> hrrrrr
[05:43] <Jucato> Tm_T!!!! hello sir! :)
[05:43] <Tm_T> hi hi :)
[05:43] <Tm_T> I'm sooo excited
[05:43] <Jucato> heheh :)
[05:44] <Tm_T> ScottK: ?
[05:44] <ScottK> Tm_T: Are you tarting in Uni tomorrow or starting?
[05:45] <Tm_T> today, in 2 hours
[05:45] <Tm_T> ah yes, s missing, now I noticed :)
[05:46] <Tm_T> :/
[05:46] <Jucato> instead of tarting
[05:46] <Jucato> teaching, btw?
[05:46] <Tm_T> nope, student
[05:46] <Jucato> oooh
[05:46] <Jucato> lucky you
[05:46] <Jucato> I have to start next year :(
[05:46] <Tm_T> well, I assume I will teach too in some point
[05:47] <Jucato> and it's an online/home learning/distance education course
[05:47] <Tm_T> ScottK: I would've too if I had gone there earlier ;)
[05:48] <Jucato> this will be my 2nd course...
[05:49] <ScottK> Ah.  How old if you don't mind my asking (usually I'm about the oldest person on these channels)?
[05:49] <Tm_T> ScottK: 112 years I think, cant remember anymore
[05:49] <ScottK> Heh.
[05:49] <Jucato> lol
[05:49] <Jucato> you're too modest :)
[05:49] <Tm_T> ;-P
[05:50] <Tm_T> seriously 23
[05:50] <ScottK> That's not so bad.
[05:50] <Jucato> O.o
[05:50] <Jucato> seriously?
[05:50] <Jucato> 23 only?
[05:50] <Tm_T> seriously
[05:50] <Jucato> ...
[05:50] <Tm_T> but I already have several graduates
[05:51] <Tm_T> and have tried pretty much any kind of job
[05:51] <Tm_T> Jucato: well that's only biological age, and that's usually irrelevant
[05:52] <Jucato> yeah, we still need to factor in psychological, emotional, intellectual age.hehehe
[05:52] <Tm_T> ;)
[05:52] <Tm_T> anyway, I hope I'm able to study there fully
[05:52] <Jucato> I wanted to take a full, 4-year, bachelor's degree course, if only my situation permitted it.
[05:53] <Jucato> instead I'll have to settle for a diploma
[05:53] <Tm_T> :)
[05:53] <Tm_T> I can barely sleep atm, well messed head I got
[05:54] <ScottK> It doesn't sound like you are sleeping at all.  Either that or you type well in your sleep.
[05:55] <Tm_T> anyway, breakfast and stuff, wish me luck ;) ->
[06:08] <ScottK> Tm_T: Good luck.
[10:40] <danimo> Riddell: can you say when you can repackage the kdepim enterprise branch? staying without mail is pretty frustrating
[10:42] <\sh> dandel, use mutt ,-)
[10:43] <\sh> s/dandel/danimo/
[10:43] <danimo> \sh: yeah, because mutt can handle kolab resource folders to display my contacts... oh wait!
[10:43] <\sh> danimo, oh..you use kolab as backend...grmpf
[10:44] <danimo> \sh: no, but I use the kolab resource system, which works without kolab
[10:44] <danimo> \sh: it just declares certain folders to hold special data inside the mime part of a mail
[10:45] <danimo> \sh: works with almost any imap server
[11:38] <Tonio_> hi there
[11:39] <Tonio_> :)
[12:07] <allee> Tonio_: hi
[12:11] <Tonio_> allee: hey :)
[12:12] <allee> Tonio_: any BT news from you? :)
[12:14] <allee> Tonio_: only suggested change from my side is still:
[12:14] <allee> [12:08]  <allee> Tonio_: independently please consider  'Exec=hciconfig | grep -q . && kdeblueooth'  works around disturbing warning when no BT device is available
[12:16] <Tonio_> allee: no news atm
[12:16] <Tonio_> allee: still searching for _stefans_ ;)
[12:17] <allee> Tonio_: k
[12:18] <allee> anyone knows python-dbus code (w/o GUI that waits) that waits for dbus events?
[12:29] <mhb> allee: http://dbus.freedesktop.org/doc/dbus-python/doc/tutorial.html#setting-up-an-event-loop
[12:29] <mhb> allee: although I'm pretty certain you already read that, so ignore me if you did :o)
[12:32] <allee> mhb: yep. nevertheless thx. qt section is empty .   but I'll just try with glib eventloop for now.  Finetuning can wait ;)
[02:32] <nixternal> mornin', afternoon, evening everyone
[02:33] <Hobbsee> hiya nixternal
[02:33] <theblackpeter> hi guys
[02:33] <theblackpeter> anyone here built kdebase from source?
[02:33] <Hobbsee> 3?  4?
[02:33] <Jucato> hiya nixternal, Hobbsee of the LongPointyStick
[02:33] <Hobbsee> Jucato!!!
[02:33] <Jucato> :)
[02:33] <nixternal> lol
[02:34] <Jucato> ouch! my spine!
[02:34] <nixternal> haha
[02:34] <Hobbsee> oops, we broke him.
[02:34] <nixternal> Jucato: that almost sounded like someone from the US...always looking for a reason to sue for money :p
[02:34] <Jucato> ssshh!!!
[02:34] <Jucato> I was about to do that
[02:35] <nixternal> I bet you were
[02:35] <theblackpeter> nixternal: how would i go about commiting the batches in debian/patches
[02:35] <theblackpeter> that is, i just want to patch the source, not build them right away
[02:36] <nixternal> ahhh
[02:36] <Hobbsee> theblackpeter: patch -p1 < debian/patches/*
[02:36] <Hobbsee> ?
[02:36] <nixternal> yup
[02:36] <theblackpeter> right
[02:36] <theblackpeter> but there is no makefile target rule
[02:37] <theblackpeter> i cant check from here...
[02:37] <theblackpeter> or some other script file to do that
[02:37] <Hobbsee> you just want to see if the patches apply, and then unapply them again?
[02:37] <Hobbsee> or you just want to apply hte patches?
[02:38] <nixternal> theblackpeter: everything in patches gets applied during the build process
[02:38] <theblackpeter> right
[02:38] <theblackpeter> i think the rules file in the debian folder does that
[02:38] <theblackpeter> but i dont want to build it right away
[02:38] <Hobbsee> #check all patches apply, autoconf runs, and removes the patches again
[02:38] <Hobbsee> sudo make -f debian/rules buildprep
[02:38] <theblackpeter> just need to patch it
[02:38] <mhb> Jucato: so you've decided to join the complainers upstream, eh? :o)
[02:38] <Hobbsee> you want either of the commands i posted above.
[02:38] <Hobbsee> depending on what you actually want to do
[02:39] <Jucato> mhb: if you read it that way.
[02:39] <mhb> Jucato: ( just kidding, I like those guys & their work)
[02:39] <nixternal> Jucato: it is fun working upstream
[02:39] <Jucato> that would be my priority for now.
[02:39] <Jucato> getting to work upstream then poke Hobbsee *a lot*
[02:39] <Jucato> hehe :)
[02:39] <nixternal> KDE should always be your priority, with Kubuntu right there at its heels of course :)
[02:40] <nixternal> gotta remember, w/o KDE, we would be Ubuntu *puke* :p
[02:40] <Jucato> lol :)
[02:40] <nixternal> haha
[02:40] <Jucato> or "Ubuntu with GNOME" *double puke?*
[02:40] <Jucato> j/k :)
[02:40] <nixternal> don't forget Linux too...but then again, KDE works on BSD as well, and soon Mac OS X and Wine'ohs
[02:41] <Hobbsee> Jucato: why am i being poked now?
[02:41] <Jucato> Hobbsee: just for fun :)
[02:41] <Jucato> you're so lovable when poked :)
[02:41] <Hobbsee> oh right
[02:41] <mhb> nixternal: ya, except for some reason, Ubuntu's upstream doesn't hate it :o)
[02:42] <Jucato> why would they complain? GNOME's getting a lot of attention thanks to Ubuntu :P
[02:42] <nixternal> either does our upstream
[02:42] <Jucato> they just won the survey (ugh surveys!)
[02:42] <nixternal> at least I hope...there are a couple who may not like us, but at least our KDE looks like KDE for the most part
[02:43] <Jucato> and there will always be naysayers
[02:43] <Jucato> Hobbsee: have fun. be full. don't overeat (like I did)
[02:43] <mhb> nixternal: our upstream seems to complain about downstream a lot, which I dislike (complaining never solved anything)
[02:44] <Jucato> I would think it's not fair to generalize that all of upstream does that. for one, quite a number of upstream developers use Kubuntu
[02:44] <nixternal> mhb: then we need to stop changing Konversation to the way we like and the way that is best :p
[02:44] <nixternal> muhehehe
[02:44] <nixternal> that was a low blow, and I apologize for that one
[02:44] <Jucato> don't worry. He's not here :)
[02:44] <nixternal> haha
[02:45] <Hobbsee> meh, konversation.
[02:45] <nixternal> try working with him on Yakuake
[02:45] <Jucato> er... conversation
[02:45] <mhb> nixternal: well, I didn't mean Sho, he actually came to the meeting and suggested improvements
[02:45] <Hobbsee> hmm, i was supposed to look into that.
[02:45] <nixternal> I have a feeling that Yakuake will disappear anyways with KDE 4 since Konsole will have very similar functionality
[02:45] <kwwii> speaking of which is someone going to make a new website sometime this year?
[02:45] <Jucato> nixternal: last time we talked (2 months ago), he said it won't
[02:46] <nixternal> kwwii: you are!
[02:46] <Jucato> hi kwwii!!!!
[02:46] <nixternal> and if you need help, I am here for you :)
[02:46] <nixternal> err, support ;p
[02:46] <kwwii> nixternal: the design is done
[02:46] <Jucato> <--- cheerleading
[02:46] <kwwii> or at least 1 design is done
[02:46] <nixternal> I need to bzr up my website checkout
[02:46] <kwwii> now someone has to actually code it
[02:46] <nixternal> that is the easy part..the artwork is the hard part
[02:47] <nixternal> we are not coding it to make it look like Ubuntu's are we?
[02:47] <kwwii> nixternal: no, we have a different design in mind
[02:47] <nixternal> whew
[02:47] <kwwii> mhb: have you thought about working on it further?
[02:48] <nixternal> kwwii: not using a cms either right (ie. drupal, joomla, and the rest), just flat out php right?
[02:48] <kwwii> nixternal: the idea was to use the same cms as ubuntu, iirc
[02:48] <nixternal> ahh, drupal...that is one of my loves :)
[02:50] <nixternal> I am supposed to be updating the Fridge site, but haven't gotten all of the necessary info yet...probably never will
[02:51] <kwwii> well, mhb started to talk to me about it but it seemed like he did not like the design and therefor stopped
[02:51] <kwwii> anyway....next subject
[02:51] <mhb> kwwii: I did, but I have very little free time now, someone else has to lead the project
[02:51] <kwwii> mhb: ok, cool...we'll find someone eventually
[02:53] <theblackpeter> Hobbsee: make -f debian/rules buildprep doesnt work
[02:53] <Hobbsee> !doesntwork
[02:53] <ubotu> Doesn't work is a strong statement. Does it sit on the couch all day? Does it want more money? Is it on IRC all the time? Please be specific! Examples of what doesn't work tend to help too.
[02:54] <theblackpeter> and, by the way, I had to install cdbs
[02:54] <Hobbsee> unsurprising.  the package you're using probably uses cdbs as a build system.
[02:54] <theblackpeter> comming from a gentoo world, with ebuild patch, i guess i thought there would be something similar
[02:56] <nixternal> kwwii: if you guys need help with it, I am able to help
[02:59] <theblackpeter> Hobbsee: ok, i'll patch it "manually", thanks for the help
[02:59] <Hobbsee> theblackpeter: well, you could use the other way, if you actually gave enough info.
[03:00] <theblackpeter> what way?
[03:00] <Hobbsee> theblackpeter: my psychic pony is on holidays, and i left my psychic frog at work.
[03:00] <Hobbsee> with the make -f...
[03:01] <ScottK> theblackpeter: If you can explain to me wah ebuild patch does, maybe I can help.
[03:01] <theblackpeter> Hobbsee: right, i cant find any buildprep rule
[03:01] <Hobbsee> ScottK: only if he actually gives enough info at all...
[03:02] <theblackpeter> Hobbsee: info about what?
[03:02] <Hobbsee> theblackpeter: oh, so you just looked for buildprep, instead of running the command.
[03:02] <Hobbsee> theblackpeter: you said "doesnt work" - see the factoid
[03:02] <theblackpeter> Hobbsee: i asked if there was a way to auto apply all patches
[03:02] <Hobbsee> theblackpeter: indeed
[03:02] <ScottK> Hobbsee: Agreed, just trying to stimulate some dialogue.
[03:02] <Hobbsee> i told you both
[03:03] <Hobbsee> and you said one didnt work, but not why, or what happened when you tried it.
[03:03] <Hobbsee> which makes the exercise pointless, because, like i say, my psychic frog is at work :P
[03:03] <theblackpeter> ScottK: ebuild pach is a command that that applys patches defined in a gentoo ebuild to the source
[03:04] <nosrednaekim> gentoo is another word for "voodoo" BTW.
[03:04] <nosrednaekim> thought you might like to know that.
[03:04] <theblackpeter> so you dont have to do "patch -p1 < debian/patches/*" yourself for instance
[03:04] <ScottK> theblackpeter: OK.  Generally Debian build systems do that too, but there are several, and so whatever you are doing needs more description for us to help.
[03:04] <ScottK> theblackpeter: What package are you trying to patch?
[03:05] <theblackpeter> ScottK: kdebase
[03:05] <ScottK> Ah.
[03:05] <Hobbsee> in which case both of hte commands i gave will work, if tried.
[03:05] <ScottK> You have the source package then?
[03:05] <theblackpeter> ScottK: or im trying to apply all the patches needed, such as the ones in debian/patches
[03:05] <ScottK> theblackpeter: When you build the package, it will do that.  Why are YOU trying to apply them manually?
[03:05] <Hobbsee> theblackpeter: i think that buildprep is actually called somewhere in the rules, but isnt listed in the rules file - it's called by something else listed in the rules file.
[03:06] <theblackpeter> Hobbsee:  patch -p1 < debian/patches/* works great, thank you for that
[03:06] <Hobbsee> no problem
[03:06] <theblackpeter> ScottK: right, i dont want to build it right away, just need to apply the patches
[03:06] <theblackpeter> if that is possible...
[03:07] <theblackpeter> buildprep would be nice, i'll double check if i missed something
[03:07] <ScottK> Sure, but I'm not sure why you would bother.  If you are trying to look at patched source, try dpatch-edit-patch (read the man page).  That way you won't end up with a dirty source tree.
[03:08] <Hobbsee> ScottK: i'd guess that he's trying to check if all the patches apply
[03:08] <Hobbsee> without building the whole source
[03:08] <ScottK> Which dpatch-edit-patch will generally accomplish.
[03:08] <theblackpeter> well yes, i want the sources with the patches before i build them
[03:09] <theblackpeter> not to much to ask no :)
[03:09] <ScottK> Hobbsee: What was wrong with dpatch-edit-patch?
[03:09] <Hobbsee> ScottK: nothing - that will let you edit said patches.  i guessed he was wanting to actually apply them
[03:10] <Hobbsee> ScottK: or does d-e-p actually check to see if the patches all apply too?
[03:10] <ScottK> It applies all the patches before the one you specify if called correctly.
[03:10] <ScottK> It has to to give you the modified source to work in.
[03:11] <ScottK> If they don't apply, then it barfs.
[03:11] <Hobbsee> ScottK: ah right, yes
[03:11] <ScottK> Then you just give it a non-zero exit code and you are back exactly where you started.
[03:11] <ScottK> No messing about with unpatch and a clean source tree.
[03:12] <Hobbsee> hmmm, i should use d-e-p or c-e-p at some point
[03:12] <theblackpeter> ScottK: the thing with dpatch-edit-patch is that you need to know the pach name right?
[03:12] <theblackpeter> i'm looking for a general way of applying all patches to a source package
[03:12] <ScottK> theblackpeter: Yes, at listed on debian/patches/00list.
[03:13] <ScottK> theblackpeter: IIRC you can specify it to do that.
[03:14] <theblackpeter> ScottK: i don't seem to have that file
[03:15] <Hobbsee> ScottK: it's cdbs.
[03:15] <Hobbsee> theblackpeter: use cdbs-edit-patch
[03:15] <ScottK> Ah.
[03:15] <ScottK> Same basic idea, but the semantics are slightly different.
[03:27] <theblackpeter> Hobbsee: needed a +x on debian/rules, then buildprep works
[03:27] <Hobbsee> ah yes, this is true
[03:28] <theblackpeter> it does a whole lot more then i needed, but i'll guess its good enough
[03:28] <Hobbsee> forgot about that - the rules file tends to be executable by default.
[03:28] <theblackpeter> one problem is that you need to be root
[03:28] <Hobbsee> yes, you need to sudo
[03:28] <theblackpeter> anyway thanks Hobbsee, sorry about interrupting your dinner
[03:28] <Hobbsee> no problem
[03:29] <theblackpeter> ScottK: and thanks to you too =)
[03:30] <ScottK> theblackpeter: No problem.  Welcome to Kubuntu.  Please dive in and fix $STUFF.
[04:01] <freeflying> http://paste.ubuntu.org.cn/3080
[04:01] <freeflying> anyone have a look
[04:03] <Tonio_> re
[04:03] <Tonio_> allee: maybe I ping you for a test ?
[04:03] <Tonio_> what if in kaffeine you go in xine config and select opengl as video driver ?
[04:03] <Hobbsee> freeflying: weird.  dosent happen in english
[04:03] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: hey :) can you test that for me please ? :)
[04:04] <freeflying> Hobbsee: yes, really wired, only on my laptop
[04:05] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: Error: Can't init new Video Driver opengl - using auto!
[04:05] <Hobbsee> hiya
[04:05] <Hobbsee> 00:04:55: xine: found demuxer plugin: AVI/RIFF demux plugin
[04:05] <Hobbsee> 00:04:55: xine: found input plugin : file input plugin
[04:06] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: same for me, and I suspect a bug, since xine-ui works like a charm and has no problem to init opengl....
[04:06] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: I'll investigate on that point
[04:06] <Hobbsee> cool
[05:05] <allee> Tonio_: pong
[05:06] <Tonio_> allee: already got the response, sorry :)
[05:06] <allee> Tonio_: fwiw.  my teest script receives bt dev added/removed events.   Hah, now I've searching how to start a program from python *hides* ;)
[05:06] <Tonio_> allee: just discovered that kaffeine seems enable to load the opengl xinr driver
[05:06] <Tonio_> allee: works with xine-ui
[05:07] <Tonio_> allee: hum interesting :)
[05:07] <allee> Tonio_: yeah, my first lines of python ever.
[06:57] <manchicken> Well, my system76 showed up.
[06:57] <manchicken> Grabbing kubuntu-desktop now.
[07:08] <manchicken> Ooh, the first-time wizard for KDE is sek-see
[07:09] <Riddell> err, huh?
[07:09] <Riddell> that shouldn't be shown with k-d-s
[07:09] <danimo> Riddell: hi!
[07:09] <danimo> Riddell: renag wrt updated kdepim packages
[07:10] <Riddell> danimo: I'll do it now (no promises, I'm on holiday today but if it goes smoothly I should upload tonight)
[07:14] <danimo> Riddell: cool
[07:15] <mhb> Riddell: enjoy your holiday
[07:15] <danimo> Riddell: would be nice to have email again... and contacts particulary
[07:15] <danimo> Riddell: but yeah, fair enough
[07:48] <manchicken> This machine is super-sweet.
[07:49] <Jucato> (tastes like honey)
[07:51] <Riddell> manchicken: do they make the machines themselves?
[07:53] <Riddell> manchicken: do they use the oem installer?
[07:53] <manchicken> My buddies tell me that this is an asus machine with system76 branding.  Looks like they did use the OEM installer.
[08:00] <danimo> cool, latest kernel update trashed the soundcard driver
[08:04] <manchicken> The non-free flash plugin doesn't seem to be happy on feisty anymore.
[08:04] <manchicken> md5sum discrepencies are causing the installer to abort.
[08:21] <manchicken> Do we have an upgrade tool yet?
[08:24] <manchicken> The powermanager doesn't like me.
[08:24] <manchicken> It keeps switching back and forth for no real reason.
[08:28] <Riddell> danimo: compile error, any ideas? http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/35283/
[08:29] <danimo> Riddell: sounds a lot like a const error, so either someone didn't compile his change, or his compiler was more permissive
[08:29] <danimo> Riddell: either way... try to make findCategory() const if possible, and definitely talk back with the kde pim guys at #kontact
[08:30] <manchicken> I'm gonna update this machine to gutsy.
[08:30] <danimo> manchicken: famous last words ;)
[08:31] <manchicken> danimo: Eh, I've done it before.  Except this time I'm not doing it on a machine with a broadcom or ATI. :)
[08:31] <danimo> manchicken: and hopefully no Intel HDA sound card
[08:32] <manchicken> Come to think of it, I have no idea what card is in this thing.
[08:32] <manchicken> Here goes nothing.
[08:53] <manchicken> Riddell: I have a feeling that the deb installer on the repos for feisty's flashplugin-nonfree is out of sync with the tarball that it's trying to install.  I think that may be the source of the md5sum discrepency.
[09:38] <nixternal> are we havin' fun yet?
[09:38] <mhb> I am :o)
[09:39] <nixternal> kool!
[09:39] <nixternal> just got home, no homework for today...I am ready to rock and roll!
[09:39] <manchicken> LongPointyStick: ping
[09:39] <manchicken> heh
[09:39] <nixternal> I would assume she is probably in midst of a Kubuntu dream right about now :D
[09:43] <manchicken> Any IRC team folks?
[09:43] <mhb> nixternal: how about starting some work on the Kubuntu redesign page?
[09:43] <manchicken> We've got a jerkoff in #kubuntu trying to get newbies to forkbomb themselves.
[09:51] <Tm_T> manchicken: thanks to you
[09:52] <nixternal> mhb: I can start working on that...is there a current BZR branch for it?
[09:52] <mhb> nixternal: not sure about this, let me check
[09:54] <mhb> nixternal: https://code.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-members/kubuntu-website/trunk this branch was set up with the development in mind
[09:54] <nixternal> OK, let me check it out
[09:54] <mhb> nixternal: I think I only branched from kubuntu.org
[09:54] <manchicken> Tm_T: No problem.  Getting new folks to forkbomb themselves is just a scummy thing to do.
[09:55] <mhb> nixternal: we probably should merge in the Drupal code
[09:55] <nixternal> I can grab the latest code and do that
[09:55] <mhb> nixternal: and then find a server where we can hack and upload our testing CSSes
[09:55] <nixternal> I can host that
[09:56] <manchicken> This is the longest I've ever used the default color scheme.
[09:57] <nixternal> hehe, I use the default KDE theme and color scheme
[09:57] <manchicken> I really like green.
[09:57] <nixternal> I have used plastik for as long as I can remember
[09:57] <nixternal> uh oh...future foresight guy? :p
[09:59] <manchicken> Naw, green is just my favorite color :)
[09:59] <manchicken> I'm Kubuntu through-and-through.
[10:00] <nixternal> blood in, blood out man...we need to put that in our membership contracts :)
[10:00] <manchicken> I've finally gotten to the point where I can very comfortably manage the whole system in kubuntu.
[10:00] <manchicken> I never really got to this point so comfortably on any other distro.
[10:00] <manchicken> Totally.
[10:00] <manchicken> Okay, gutsy is installed.  Reboot time.
[10:01] <mhb> nixternal: that's like super-ultra-fantastic
[10:08] <manchicken> Hmm... it didn't update restricted modules it seems.
[10:10] <manchicken> Hmm... I seem to be having some issues with the i3945 wireless card on gutsy
[10:46] <manchicken> Do we have an eye-candy manager yet?
[10:47] <ubuntu> Is it me or does Thunderbird kill the strigi daemon?
[11:11] <ubuntu_> hi manchicken
[11:11] <manchicken> Howdy again
[11:12] <ubuntu_> gutsy?
[11:13] <manchicken> Yup
[11:13] <Riddell> manchicken: nope
[11:13] <Riddell> we seem to have lost the kcontrol module altogether for compiz
[11:14] <ubuntu_> does strigi die as soon as it looks at ~/.mozilla-thunderbird ?
[11:15] <manchicken> Riddell: No fun.
[11:23] <ubuntu_> Ok another strange thing in Gutsy is I can't altTab every now and again
[11:44] <nixternal> ubuntu_: for the issues you care experiencing, it would be best to a) file a bug report on Launchpad, or b) seek support in #ubuntu+1
[11:44] <nixternal> this is a development channel, and a majority of the people in here are either a) dev'ing away, b) sleeping, c) drinking :)
[11:45] <nixternal> or d) all of the above
[11:57] <ubuntu_> nixternal: I think I got the alt+tab the super Key was stuck
[12:01] <manchicken> While the wiki seems to favor compiz, it doesn't look like compiz is working too well.
[12:04] <ubuntu_> assisted by d)
[12:04] <nixternal> /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lpth
[12:04] <nixternal> anyone experience that building KDE 4 lately?
[12:05] <ubuntu_> nixternal: Gutsy?
[12:05] <nixternal> issue with the gpgme stuff
[12:05] <nixternal> I am building KDE 4 from svn
[12:06] <ubuntu_> nixternal: does striigi work in Gutsy for you?
[12:06] <ubuntu_> as soon as mine hits .mozilla-thuderbid it dies
[12:07] <nixternal> yes it works, but I don't use any mozilla byproducts
[12:07] <ubuntu_> I don't either
[12:08] <ubuntu_> but everytime I start the daemon the preferences show it looking at a set of folders
[12:08] <ubuntu_>  None of which exist I may add except ~/.kde
[12:08] <ubuntu_> if I delete them from the preferences they come back
[12:08] <ubuntu_> and as soon as it hits ~/.mozilla-thunderbid it dies
[12:09] <nixternal> libpth-dev wasn't installed..yay me for missing that one
[12:09] <nixternal> I don't even have a .mozilla anything in my home directory...
[12:10] <ubuntu_> me either
[12:10] <ubuntu_> but it's in
[12:10] <ubuntu_> strigi:/config
[12:12] <manchicken> Is there a gutsy repo for beryl?
[12:12] <nixternal> the beryl repos are going bye bye, do you mean compiz fusion?
[12:12] <manchicken> Compiz is highly unstable right now.
[12:13] <nixternal> what does my clipping sign say?
[12:13] <ubuntu_> I'm sorry a Vigor sign :)
[12:13] <nixternal> what is that?
[12:13] <ubuntu_> hi it looks like you mean $var
[12:14] <ubuntu_> http://vigor.sourceforge.net/screenshots/
[12:14] <nixternal> manchicken: you can use the feisty repos that beryl has, or at least used to have
[12:17] <ubuntu_> ok think I'll head home and beat up my ISP
[12:26] <manchicken> There seems to be some issues with power-saving stuff.
[12:26] <ubuntu_> in compiz?
[12:26] <manchicken> Naw, in kubuntu in general
[12:27] <nixternal> you think? I have had power-saving issues for ever
[12:27] <nixternal> to an extent
[12:28] <nixternal> guidance doesn't display cpu, it won't scale, and it gives me the bird every now and then
[12:31] <manchicken> gnome stuff doesn't... I thought it all used the same backend
[12:32] <nixternal> did you get your new lappy?