[12:35] <jason__10> draik you need to download NEOGEO.ROM
[12:36] <draik> jason__10: Where do I get it?
[12:36] <sparr> how can i tell kde [not]  to generate thumbnails for images?
[12:36] <jason__10> romworld.com usually under mame
[12:37] <draik> romworld.com doesn't seem to have any ROMs
[12:38] <draik> rom-world.com
[12:38] <draik> jason__10: Is that the name of the file? NeoGeo.ROM?
[12:39] <jason__10> i believe so, its like the main rom your other game roms rely on
[12:40] <jason__10> draik: http://www.rom-world.com/file.php?id=22504
[12:41] <draik> Right
[12:41] <draik> I got that
[12:41] <draik> What do I do with it?
[12:41] <draik> It's a zip file
[12:43] <jason__10> put it in a directory erm, I put it in my home directory under a sub dir of ROMS and then in the config of xmame theres some directories you can set...
[12:44] <sparr> when i installed kde it offered a slow/fast slider that turned a lot of options off an on.  i think one of those options was generating thumbnails in konqueror.  where can i find that option afterwards to toggle?
[12:44] <jason__10> draik:  infact you can just put it in with your roms and re audit
[12:44] <Karti> ubuntufan: are you still needing asistance?
[12:44] <draik> jason__10: http://pastebin.ca/671759
[12:48] <draik> Where am I to place the ROMs?
[12:48] <jason__10> i recomend downloading KXmame and just setting the directory to the roms
[12:48] <draik> I created my own folders
[12:51] <draik> That worked. Thank you jason__10
[12:55] <jason__10> draik:  thats no problem
[12:55] <jason__10> brb
[01:00] <[ifr0g] > huh, Its quite in here !
[01:03] <radius> quite quiet?
[01:03] <radius> ;p
[01:03] <[ifr0g] > :)
[01:04] <[ifr0g] > radius, what firewall script do you use ?
[01:04] <radius> i use a hardware firewall
[01:05] <radius> i used to use killerwall
[01:05] <[ifr0g] > Ooo.ok
[01:05] <radius> i move machines around too much - too much of a hassle to script now
[01:05] <Bilange> hardware firewall are the best (unless d-link has something to do with it :X)
[01:05] <[ifr0g] > radius, machines ?
[01:05] <radius> well i use neither dlink nor linksys - they have a set of issues on their own
[01:06] <radius> machines/pc's/servers ?
[01:06] <Bilange> seems ive been lucky with linksys, but unlucky with d-link
[01:06] <[ifr0g] > ah ok
[01:07] <[ifr0g] > I use my whole pc a one big router :D
[01:09] <Bilange> [ifr0g] : actually ive had a good experience with shorewall if you're looking for a software solution. mind you, its very script and config files-oriented, so theres no gui officially, but that may worth trying
[01:11] <[ifr0g] > Thanks Bilange, I dont really want to dirty my hands in some configuration file. I amlooking for something simple. Is it ? something with a gui !
[01:12] <Bilange> that was what i was talking about: getting your hands dirty :(
[01:13] <[ifr0g] > Something that will warn with on incomming connections, something thatwill learn according to initial rules..
[01:18] <fernando_> hola
[01:18] <[ifr0g] > hola ! :)
[01:19] <miles> hello all
[01:19] <miles> i have a political question regarding linux
[01:19] <miles> its a fact that Linus is not fond of the Gnome project
[01:20] <miles> likewise, I read recently that he uses Fedora on his home machine
[01:20] <miles> so whats up with that?!
[01:20] <hydrogen> ...
[01:20] <miles> thats like saying i hate xbox, but im gonna play halo
[01:20] <hydrogen> I'm fairly sure there is at least one off topic channel where that question is better suited
[01:20] <miles> man, but i come here cause i respect you guys
[01:20] <hydrogen> and its off topic
[01:21] <miles> ...
[01:22] <miles> ooooooo, i get it, fedora is the community version of red hat, and a fedora is a hat
[01:22] <miles> brilliant!
[01:31] <fignew> lol miles
[01:31] <eli> could anybody tell me how can I make a partition bootable using parted?
[01:31] <vbatts> i would use cfdisk
[01:32] <fignew> 2nd
[01:36] <eli> vbatts: I am on a macbook and it tells me that he doesnt know about gpt
[01:45] <frax> is there any special settings that u have to do in order to read DVD? when I browse them there are only alot of questionmarks instead of filenames.. any idea? thanks
[01:47] <angelix> holy cow
[01:48] <frax> #india ?
[01:48] <Jucato> !in
[01:48] <[ifr0g] > Holy Moooo :D
[01:48] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about in - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[01:49] <Jucato> hm...
[01:49] <[ifr0g] > !india
[01:49] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about india - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[01:49] <BluesKaj> How Now Brown Cow , What's noo with yoo ? :)
[01:50] <Jucato> [ifr0g] : try #ubuntu-in
[01:51] <angelix> so...
[01:51] <BluesKaj> he 's not in india..ISP is verizon
[01:51] <[ifr0g] > Wow, ubuntu for indias :D
[01:51] <[ifr0g] > thanks..
[01:51] <Jucato> bah sorry wrong person :/
[01:51] <Jucato> it was frax... :(
[01:54] <[ifr0g] > BluesKaj, Why did the Penguin cross the Road ?
[01:55] <rekorder> hello
[01:55] <rekorder> anyone in here
[01:56] <Jucato> BluesKaj: there goes your question(s) ^^^
[01:56] <[ifr0g] > rekorder, Yes, 321 in the room ..
[01:56] <[ifr0g] > now 320 :)
[02:00] <angelix> i have a question...
[02:00] <[ifr0g] > :)
[02:01] <angelix> i ran the tool, whatever it;\'s called, to update Kubuntu to feisty fawn. it seems like it worked, except that at the very end, before it restarted, the client failed to allocate memory, and crashed...
[02:01] <angelix> so now i don't know if i'm running feisty fawn or not...
[02:02] <BioVorE> lsb_release -cs
[02:03] <angelix> mmk
[02:04] <angelix> so how likely is it, that the installation completed and i'm not going to have any problems?
[02:04] <[ifr0g] > angelix, df -h | grep /$         ..?
[02:05] <angelix> should i... know what that means? it looks like disk or file sizes to me
[02:05] <[ifr0g] > paste that line here.
[02:05] <Jucato> df -h <--- free disk space, human readable format
[02:05] <hydrogen> angelix: i'd boot and see wheter it works or not
[02:05] <hydrogen> :)
[02:05] <angelix> / /dev/sda1             146G  4.2G  134G   4% /
[02:05] <angelix> don't know how to escape /
[02:06] <angelix> oh
[02:06] <angelix> i rebooted
[02:06] <angelix> it works.. i think
[02:06] <hydrogen> then you are fine
[02:06] <[ifr0g] > huh, Go ahead upgrade again..
[02:06] <[ifr0g] > and paste bin the errors
[02:06] <angelix> i can try?
[02:06] <hydrogen> it sounds like its fine
[02:06] <angelix> should i update by commandline?
[02:07] <angelix> i wqs just trying to update packages, and it popped up a dialog box asking if i wanted to go to ff
[02:07] <n30> i have a question ...i just tried installing opera, but its not found in add/remove programs ...what's up with that?
[02:08] <hydrogen> I installed the deb from opera's site
[02:08] <hydrogen> but
[02:08] <hydrogen> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/OperaBrowser
[02:09] <n30> hydrogen, i also tried installing superkaramba ...same thing, not in the list.
[02:09] <Jucato> hm...
[02:09] <Jucato> er... checks*
[02:10] <[ifr0g] > n30,  Have you edited your source.list file lately ?
[02:10] <Jucato> n30: you're right. it isn't there. which is weird, but not surprising...
[02:10] <Jucato> n30: try using Adept Manager instead of Add/Remove (if you can survive the interface)
[02:10] <n30> where's adept manager?
[02:11] <n30> nm
[02:11] <hydrogen> system
[02:11] <n30> nvm
[02:11] <n30> found it :)
[02:11] <n30> checking now
[02:11] <Jucato> but opera really isn't there
[02:11] <hydrogen> I find adept_manager much easier to use
[02:11] <Jucato> + it's more "complete"
[02:12] <Jucato> I find it very annoying that add/remove doesn't show the same number of choices
[02:12] <hydrogen> yea
[02:12] <Jucato> I mean packages
[02:12] <n30> Jucato, as do i.
[02:12] <n30> if it doesn't show as many packages it should be removed :)
[02:12] <n30> brb, going to reboot.
[02:12] <angelix> once you enable universe...
[02:12] <VSpike> I like aptitude myself
[02:12] <n30> angelix, ?
[02:12] <angelix> lol, nothing
[02:13] <Jucato> on Feisty, universe and multiverse are enabled by default already
[02:13] <angelix> kudos
[02:13] <n30> o
[02:13] <Jucato> angelix: you try it. search for Superkarmaba or for gcc in Add/Remove
[02:13] <n30> yeah, i'm already using feisty.
[02:13] <n30> superkaramba isn't there though =/
[02:13] <Jucato> hm?
[02:14] <hydrogen> i see superkaramba in adept_manager
[02:14] <angelix> i don't even know what that is! but i'll try...
[02:14] <hydrogen> not in add/remove
[02:14] <n30> adept_manager failed to run. wtg ?
[02:14] <angelix> what is it and where do i look for it?
[02:14] <Jucato> angelix: gcc is the GNU Compiler Collection, the C/C++/etc compilers
[02:14] <doug__> hey i'm trying to install the 2.6.22.9 kernel, what repositories do i need in apt-get?  because it said it was a broken package.
[02:14] <Jucato> angelix: bah nvm heheh :)
[02:14] <angelix> mhmm
[02:14] <angelix> well, i guess i chould have known that
[02:14] <Jucato> angelix: I was just trying to demonstrate how add/remove doesn't show all packages available
[02:15] <n30> haha. adept_manager will not launch ....hmmm
[02:15] <n30> brb, going to reboot (unless someone else has an idea)
[02:15] <angelix> anyways, i can't, cause i'm trying to dl beryl right now. i realize this is probably asking for trouble. anyone have any luck using beryl with kubuntu, or is it ubuntu only?
[02:15] <Jucato> er. n30 don't reboot yet..
[02:15] <n30> nvm
[02:15] <n30> needed to run it from xterm
[02:15] <n30> sudo adept_manager
[02:16] <Jucato> kdesu!!!!
[02:16] <Jucato> !kdesu
[02:16] <ubotu> In KDE, use  kdesu  to run graphical applications with root privileges when you have to. Do *not* use  sudo <GUI application> ; you can muck up your permissions/config files. For what to use in GNOME, see !gksudo
[02:16] <angelix> this is gonna break my computer, i know it...
[02:16] <doug__> hey i'm trying to install the 2.6.22.9 kernel, what repositories do i need in apt-get?  because it said it was a broken package.
[02:16] <Jucato> angelix: not really
[02:17] <nosrednaekim> Jucato: !!!
[02:17] <nosrednaekim> welcome back!
[02:17] <Jucato> hehe thanks nosrednaekim :)
[02:17] <Jucato> doug__: is that on gutsy?
[02:17] <angelix> some introduction to beryl i read explained that it was unstable and difficult to use
[02:17] <angelix> but i like eyecandy!
[02:17] <doug__> jucato: yeah i used the gutsy repo
[02:17] <Jucato> draik!!!!
[02:17] <draik> Jucato!!!!
[02:17] <Jucato> doug__: you mean you mixed feisty and gutsy repos?!?!
[02:18] <draik> uh-oh
[02:18] <doug__> jucato: i added it in my aptsources list
[02:18] <Jucato> doug__: if you are using pure gusty (dang typos), try asking in #ubuntu+1
[02:18] <Jucato> doug__: ouch! not good...
[02:18] <doug__> jucato: I'm on feisty fawn
[02:18] <Jucato> not good at all... :/
[02:18] <doug__> angelix: have you tried envy to install ati or nvidia drivers?
[02:19] <Jucato> grrr! dang mosquitos!
[02:19] <doug__> jucato: why is it not good? lol
[02:19] <nosrednaekim> Jucato:  doug__: I've read some tutorials on that.If you do it correctly, it should work.
[02:19] <n30> brb
[02:19] <angelix> ooh.. envy?
[02:19] <Arwen> ick, envy
[02:19] <Arwen> more automated failure
[02:19] <Jucato> well, basically you are mixing 2 very different versions, which could produce dependency/stability problems
[02:19] <doug__> Arwen: i used it and it works fine
[02:20] <Arwen> !worksforme
[02:20] <ubotu> Common Sense: Just because you can, does not mean you should (and especially recommend to others). Think before you do. "Works for me" does not mean it is ok. The latest version of everything is not always useful if you aim for stability. Please see http://geekosophical.net/random/worksforme/
[02:20] <angelix> no, it looked on the guide page like the basic driver would handle it
[02:20] <Jucato> angelix: what video card?
[02:20] <angelix> hold on...
[02:20] <doug__> nosrednaekim: do you have a link to the tutorial?
[02:20] <Jucato> I mean, what video card do you have?
[02:20] <angelix> Kinfocenter claims radeon 9200 SE
[02:21] <nosrednaekim> doug__: http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&ct=res&cd=1&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ubuntugeek.com%2Fhowto-upgrade-kernel2622-9-generic-in-feisty-fawn.html&ei=4BjSRqr9JoTeetDJ3akJ&usg=AFQjCNH9jsc6NkGDNzK4vdNfi5qvV27UdA&sig2=jB5cFUQ7ZRpHXHjw99FgCg
[02:21] <angelix> this is a computer i have for messing around with
[02:21] <nosrednaekim> whoops.. in't meant o paste the google redirect
[02:21] <angelix> my main computer runs w2k
[02:21] <angelix> i have no idea what the hardware on this comp is like
[02:22] <hydrogen> !moo
[02:22] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about moo - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[02:22] <hydrogen> :/
[02:22] <Jucato> hahah
[02:22] <bauer> howto install development tools , gcc etc. ?
[02:22] <jason__10> !factoids
[02:22] <databuddy> Fact:  The number of triplets born in the US in 1994 (4,594) was more than triple the number born in 1971 (1,034), an increase attributed to older age of the mothers and the use of fertility-enhancing drugs and techniques.
[02:22] <ubotu> I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots
[02:22] <doug__> nosrednaekim: it's ok.  i tried that command and it said it couldn't find the package linux-headers-2.6.22-9
[02:22] <Jucato> bauer: basic compiler and stuff, install "build-essential"
[02:23] <nosrednaekim> bauer: "apt-get install build-essential"
[02:23] <Jucato> hmph!
[02:23] <bauer> Thx
[02:23] <draik> jason__10: Do you knwo if there is a way to download repos all at once?
[02:23] <hydrogen> !xeffects
[02:23] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about xeffects - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[02:23] <hydrogen> !xgl
[02:23] <ubotu> Compiz (compositing window manager) and XGL (X server architecture layered on top of OpenGL) - Howto at http://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager - Help in #ubuntu-effects
[02:23] <nosrednaekim> Jucato: you were faster.... I was better :)
[02:23] <draik> jason__10: I mean in a way that I don't have to go ROM by ROM
[02:23] <Jucato> nosrednaekim: you were more specific, presuming he preferred to use apt-get, and not aptitude or synaptic or adept. hehehe
[02:23] <jason__10> hmm draik only if you download a massive torrent?
[02:23] <draik> ok
[02:24] <nosrednaekim> Jucato: and you... umm.... win.
[02:24] <Jucato> I always do! hahahha
[02:24] <angelix> how do i restart X?
[02:24] <jason__10> maybe you should try dosbox-pykde from kde-apps.org
[02:24] <draik> angelix: CTRL+ALT+BACKSPACE
[02:25] <Jucato> angelix: safe way: logout, then from the login menu choose Restart X Server or press Ctrl+Alt+Backspace
[02:25] <angelix> will that even make it work? how do i make beryl run? i can see all the options but nothing does anything
[02:25] <Jucato> unsafe way, what draik said eheheh :P
[02:25] <jason__10> draik:  do you like old dos games?
[02:25] <Jucato> well not really "unsafe"...
[02:25] <draik> Jucato: Are we judging, now? Tsk tsk...
[02:25] <flaccid0s> heya Jucy
[02:25] <draik> jason__10: I was reading my Linux Journal and came across using xmame-x and wahcade
[02:26] <jason__10> draik: dosbox-pykde has a database of dos games like the database in kxmame but i believe you can download the game from the application just by choosing download, and it has scrrenshots
[02:26] <Jucato> draik: heheh pardon me. just got up less than an hour ago :)O
[02:26] <Jucato> yo flaccid0s!!!
[02:26] <flaccid> aint seen you here for a while...
[02:26] <Jucato> yep :)
[02:26] <doug__> nosrenaekim: any ideas?
[02:26] <angelix> well
[02:26] <flaccid> its amazing it survived without you :)
[02:26] <doug__> nosrednaekim: sorry
[02:26] <flaccid> wb flaccid_ heh
[02:26] <Jucato> hahhaa
[02:26] <nosrednaekim> doug__: bout what?
[02:26] <flaccid> you can kill me but i keep coming back
[02:26] <Jucato> I knew the channel would be in good hands one way or another. :)
[02:27] <doug__> nosrednaekim: any ideas? i meant to type your name but i mispelled so it didn't highlight for you lol
[02:27] <flaccid> yeah its been alright... alot of idling ~300 users
[02:27] <Jucato> nothing has changed :P
[02:27] <Jucato> !tab | doug__
[02:27] <ubotu> doug__: You can use <tab> for autocompletion of nicknames in IRC, as well as for completion of filenames and programs on the command line.
[02:27] <nosrednaekim> doug__: any ideas about how to get e 2.6.22 kernel? follow that tutorial...
[02:28] <Jucato> nosrednaekim: I think he's saying that linux-headears-2.6.22-9 isn't there
[02:28] <flaccid> except that gutsy is like some ugly blue thang
[02:28] <doug__> nosrednaekim:  I did what jucato said lol
[02:28] <Jucato> I hope that the next release would have a name that's less prone to being misspelled...
[02:29] <Jucato> fiesty/feisty, gusty/gutsy...
[02:29] <nosrednaekim> doug__: re-add that repository and get the headers..
[02:29] <flaccid> i've added a winpopup account in kopete. how do i see the list of windows machines and send a message to one?
[02:29] <doug__> jucato: yeah
[02:29] <Jucato> doug__: there's no 2.6.22-9 because the latest is 2.6.22-10
[02:29] <jason__10> flaccid i think you just add the ip as a contact
[02:29] <flaccid> jason__10: ok i'll try thanks
[02:30] <flaccid> ah i see
[02:30] <doug__> jucato: I thought it was 2.6.22.5
[02:30] <doug__> according to kernel.org
[02:30] <Jucato> on Gutsy I mean
[02:30] <Jucato> http://packages.ubuntu.com/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?keywords=linux-headers&searchon=names&subword=1&version=gutsy&release=all
[02:31] <flaccid> i just sent one to my boss, lets see if he freaks out
[02:31] <nosrednaekim> doug__: the . is different from the -. Dash means "ubuntu bug-fix version" basically
[02:31] <Jucato> that too :)
[02:31] <doug__> jucato: is it bad to get a new kernel from gutsy repos?  you sounded a little iffy on it
[02:32] <flaccid> its good if you are on gutsy
[02:32] <Jucato> which he isn't :)
[02:32] <flaccid> oh
[02:32] <flaccid> lol then not good
[02:32] <Jucato> but if there's a proven/well-known guide to getting the kernel from gutsy on to feisty... let me not hinder you :)
[02:32] <nosrednaekim> doug__: don't think it can really harma anything as long as you keep your old kernels around
[02:32] <doug__> nosrednaekim: yeah i know . is different from -. but why would a newer kernel be incompatible with fawn yet compatible with gutsy?
[02:32] <Jucato> it's not just the kernel I'm concerned about nosrednaekim...
[02:33] <Jucato> doug__: as long as you disable the gutsy repo after you got the kernel, I think it would be ok
[02:33] <nosrednaekim> Jucato: yeah, thats why you remove the sources line after installing and locking the kernel.
[02:33] <flaccid> the kernel wouldn't really be a problem, the possible bugs in the kernel might be
[02:33] <nosrednaekim> I think the tutorial says to do that
[02:33] <angelix> ok, this might sound like a stupid question, but when i installed beryl, was it supposed to start automatically? if not, what windows manager do i need to disable to run it correctly?
[02:33] <Jucato> I didn't read the tutorial :)
[02:33] <flaccid> !beryl > angelix
[02:34] <angelix> ty
[02:34] <flaccid> np
[02:34] <flaccid> !coffee
[02:34] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about coffee - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[02:34] <doug__> jucato:  yeah.  I'll do that.  i think i understand why you're concerned because it's telling me i have like hundreds of updates, but it's all from the gutsy version
[02:34] <Jucato> heh where's genii when you need him :)
[02:34] <Jucato> doug__: yep. :)
[02:34] <flaccid> Jucato: the state is that its good, but unstable and kubuntu has more issues than ubuntu
[02:34] <flaccid> well kde than gnome
[02:35] <Jucato> I mean, the relationship of the 3 projects..
[02:35] <flaccid> i had beryl going perfect, but have a bug which doesn't seem to fixed yet so it can't even run
[02:35] <doug__> nosrednaekim: is there a way to get 2.6.22.5 from a different repo?
[02:35] <flaccid> Jucato: just forks. compiz-fusion is bery and compiz making love again
[02:35] <Jucato> beryl is supposed to be "merged" into compiz again right? resulting in compiz-fusion? why are people still saying beryl?
[02:35] <nosrednaekim> doug__: I think the gutsy way is the easiest. although you might look intop a debian kernel repo
[02:35] <flaccid> you can use any of em..
[02:35] <nosrednaekim> Jucato: because fiesty still only has beryl
[02:35] <doug__> nosrednaekim: thanks
[02:35] <Jucato> hm.. ok...
[02:36] <U238Willy> so.. recent a bunch of KDE packages upgraded.. and after a reboot.. my video went from 1024x768 to 640x480.. any tries to change the video card or monitor in system settings to what i have (nvidia geforce2 / dell monitor E173FPb) and i get a grey hatch like screen.. with no chances to revert.. and I have to power down.. you guys have been great in the past at resolving issues.. any ideas?
[02:36] <Jucato> never really got into them... but tested beryl before, and was fun. but still waiting for KDE 4 for something more stable :P
[02:36] <nosrednaekim> U238Willy: did you manually install any nvidia drivers before?
[02:36] <nosrednaekim> U238!!!! yeah!
[02:37] <U238Willy> i have not.. i installed kubuntu straight from .iso/distro
[02:37] <U238Willy> and just installed packages through adept
[02:37] <flaccid> need to wait for beryl or compiz-fusion to be stable, not kde :)
[02:38] <flaccid> brb, getting milk
[02:38] <nosrednaekim> U238Willy: run from the command line "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" and select the vesa driver.
[02:38] <Jucato> moo :)
[02:38] <U238Willy> i'm surprised though.. when i choose the right card or monitor.. i get a grey hatch (checkered... like hounds-tooth) screen
[02:38] <U238Willy> ok..
[02:38] <Jucato> flaccid: I was actually referring to KDE 4's own compositing :P
[02:38] <miles> ls
[02:39] <nosrednaekim> Jucato: have you tried out KDE4 yet?
[02:40] <Jucato> nosrednaekim: during alpha stages. but I'm holding off for now. want to be pleasantly surprised when the time comes
[02:40] <nosrednaekim> Jucato: you certainly won't be if you tried now. although the apps themselves look great.
[02:41] <Jucato> actually... I've just been to lazy to setup my kde 4 development setup (redundant?)
[02:41] <Jucato> that and I tried to get away as much from Kubuntu/KDE for the past 2 months if you haven't noticed :P
[02:41] <nosrednaekim> yeah I actually did.
[02:42] <doug__> nosrednaekim: where would i go to ask for debian kernel repo?
[02:42] <nosrednaekim> #debian
[02:42] <doug__> nosrednaekim: thanks
[02:43] <Materials> hi, could someone tell me how to find the uncompressed size of a tar.bz2 file?
[02:43] <jason__10> properties?
[02:44] <rekorder> can any one help me install drivers for a wireless network card
[02:44] <Materials> with command line I mean
[02:44] <rekorder> these instructions are confusing as hell
[02:44] <jason__10> rekorder:  I might be able to do so !
[02:44] <jason__10> rekorder: what card do you have?
[02:45] <rekorder> linksys wpc3000n
[02:45] <jason__10> rekorder:  and you have the driver downloaded?
[02:45] <rekorder> i've downloaded ndiswrapper
[02:45] <U238Willy> ok.. i just went through a litany of questions.. answered to the best of my ability.. and then.. it exited.. so i 'exit'ed the konsole.. and I'm rebooting.
[02:46] <rekorder> and i have the cd that came with the card
[02:46] <rekorder> i guess there might be an easier way to do it though
[02:46] <jason__10> hmm rekorder do you have yahoo or aim?
[02:46] <rekorder> nope
[02:46] <flaccid> Jucato: what does it use for compositing?
[02:46] <jason__10> rekorder:  msn account?
[02:46] <Jucato> flaccid: kwin_composite. it's own compositing built on top of a working/stable kwin :)
[02:47] <rekorder> i don't have any chat clients
[02:47] <U238Willy> well.. my login screen looks correct
[02:47] <flaccid> ah yep reading on that now
[02:47] <U238Willy> or at the correct resolution
[02:47] <jason__10> ok
[02:47] <luke73> hello?
[02:47] <rekorder> can't we just do it thru a chat room?
[02:47] <Jucato> um... hi?
[02:47] <flaccid> Jucato: looks like there is a video on youtube
[02:47] <jason__10> rekorder: could do im just looking
[02:47] <rekorder> awesome
[02:48] <jason__10> rekorder:  while im looking check out my site http://stimulus.newsit.es
[02:48] <rekorder> actually i gues it looks like the ndiswrapper has some drivers in it
[02:48] <rekorder> not sure if there the ones i need though
[02:48] <Jucato> flaccid: yep. there are even screencasts from the kde developers' blogs. just forgot the links
[02:48] <luke73> newbie alert! is the the chat room for Kubuntu?
[02:48] <nosrednaekim> U238Willy: look good?
[02:48] <nosrednaekim> luke73: yep!
[02:48] <luke73> cool..
[02:48] <nosrednaekim> luke73: or at least the support chat room
[02:48] <jason__10> whats the card called agian?
[02:48] <flaccid> Jucato: cool. so im assuming that when it goes in prod it will be stable as
[02:49] <rekorder> linksys wpc3000n
[02:49] <luke73> does anybody know if kubuntu 7.04 comes with firefox installed?
[02:49] <rekorder> i think that it does luke
[02:49] <nosrednaekim> luke73: no, it does not.
[02:49] <U236Willy> ok
[02:49] <rekorder> but i don' t think very well
[02:49] <nosrednaekim> luke73: but its simple to get
[02:49] <U236Willy> <-- on the linux machine..
[02:49] <U236Willy> looks great
[02:49] <nosrednaekim> U236Willy: looking good?
[02:49] <flaccid> http://dot.kde.org/1180541665/
[02:49] <nosrednaekim> great
[02:49] <U236Willy> i'm back at 1024x768
[02:50] <luke73> can I just use the adept manager?
[02:50] <U236Willy> nosrednaekim, thanks so much!
[02:50] <flaccid> sure can luke73
[02:50] <U236Willy> yay
[02:50] <Jucato> flaccid: and you won't have to have the effects turned on if you don't want to. it sort of auto detects and degrades gracefully if you don't have the hardware
[02:50] <nosrednaekim> luke73: yeah
[02:50] <nosrednaekim> U236Willy: NP... you don't have any 3d acceleration though if that matters
[02:51] <jason__10> rekorder:  to be honest I would try downloading a linksys driver and trying that before using Ndiswrapper, usually with windows driver cd;s you actually have to install them to get access to the driver
[02:51] <rekorder> well i did download a driver off of the linksys site
[02:51] <rekorder> but it's an exe and i don't know what to do with it
[02:51] <miles> /exit
[02:51] <jason__10> exactly
[02:51] <flaccid> Jucato: im scared on the stability
[02:52] <flaccid> we see how it goes
[02:52] <luke73> ok thanks.. I guess once I've downloaded some of the packages for firefox I just have to restart and then I'll see them?
[02:52] <U236Willy> well.. i told wrote in  the monitor type (Dell E173FPb) and the video card (which I got from KInfoSys) as (NVIDIA Geforce2) and then just answered the rest of the questions as best as I could.. and.. now.. it seems like the video is set properly..
[02:52] <nosrednaekim> luke73: no need for a restart
[02:52] <Jucato> flaccid: you shouldn't be. if you turned off the effects, it would be the same as plain old kwin
[02:52] <miles> exit
[02:52] <miles> /leave
[02:52] <miles> wtf
[02:52] <Jucato> flaccid: that's the advantage of building the effects on top of already stable and proven code
[02:52] <flaccid> that would defeat the purpose of making them in the first place. its like here is a car that doesnt' work...
[02:52] <flaccid> Jucato: yes but abstraction is expected!
[02:53] <flaccid> thats just professional programming principles
[02:53] <U236Willy> or.. atleast it's back to using 1024x768.. without any anomalies noted.. as of yet.
[02:53] <Jucato> flaccid: defeat the purpose of making what in the first place?
[02:53] <flaccid> the desktop effects/compositing
[02:53] <jason__10> rekorder:  I could probably do it for you but unfortunately it would take a long time of trial an error and it would cost :P so its best just hackin at it bit by bit.
[02:53] <U236Willy> so.. thank again!
[02:53] <searayman> can somone help me install a patch to kopete?
[02:53] <U236Willy> *thanks
[02:53] <luke73> thanks a lot.. I'll give it a try...
[02:53] <jason__10> searayman:  what patch?
[02:54] <nosrednaekim> luke73: do you have kubuntu installed?
[02:54] <searayman> jason__10, somehting called a kopete reloding kit? changes liek the look of the buddy list
[02:54] <searayman> jason__10, i can point u to a link of the fiel i got
[02:54] <Jucato> flaccid: well, kwin's main purpose is not just fancy effects. unlike compiz or beryl, it's a window manager first, before a compositing window manager. the compositing stuff is just added on top. not the other way around
[02:54] <luke73> nosrednaekim: yes.. just finished installing it
[02:54] <Jucato> anyway.. sorry getting OT
[02:54] <jason__10> ok searayman
[02:54] <nosrednaekim> luke73: ah ok. how does it look?
[02:54] <jason__10> rekorder:  heres a site might come in handy ftp://ftp.linksys.com/pub/network/
[02:54] <searayman> jason__10, http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=49765
[02:54] <U238Willy> welp.. winblows machine isn't needed.. so i guess this nick will quit..
[02:55] <rekorder> i'll check it out
[02:55] <Q-collective> hello all, could anyone point me to a nice sound howto?
[02:56] <luke73> nosrednaekim: looks fine to me. but this is my first install of linux. I thought I'd choose one that said it looked nice..
[02:56] <searayman> jason__10, i downloaded and extracted it, and to patch i need to compile from source right? so shoudl i first uninstall the kopete i already have?
[02:56] <nosrednaekim> haha
[02:56] <jason__10> searayman:  you have to download kopete source code and re complile it with this patch in it, Im not great at recompiling things
[02:56] <jason__10> searayman:  that would be a good idea
[02:56] <searayman> jason__10, how shoudl i uninstall it to remove all of it?
[02:56] <jason__10> searayman:  I think purge is the option
[02:57] <searayman> jason__10, sudo apt-get purge remove?
[02:57] <jason__10> but dont trust me, recompiling and completely removing is not my best area :)
[02:57] <poroto82> hi, does anyone know how to upgrade from dapper to edgy?pls(kubuntu)
[02:57] <searayman> jason__10, i am not familier with the commadn
[02:57] <rekorder> what am i supposed to do with all those files?
[02:57] <jason__10> you can use Adept
[02:57] <searayman> jason__10, adept kopete?
[02:57] <jason__10> rekorder:  there may be a zip compatible with your hardware with the driver file install
[02:57] <poroto82> changing dapper for edgy?
[02:57] <jason__10> searayman:  adept is a gui for apt
[02:58] <searayman> oo
[02:58] <jason__10> you will find kopete inside and you can choose remove or purge
[02:58] <flaccid> Jucato: yes i know all that...... that doesn't say anything for its stability. thats only something that we can test when its released.
[02:58] <jason__10> but to be honest im not sure if purge means complete remove
[02:58] <jason__10> !purge
[02:58] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about purge - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[02:58] <searayman> can somone help me compile kopete with a patch?
[02:59] <Jucato> flaccid: it's already available in KDE 4 beta releases and earlier. you can start testing. didn't crash on me even in alpha
[02:59] <rekorder> my model isn't specifically listed, how can i tell if it's the correct one?
[02:59] <jason__10> well i would maybe try wpc54
[02:59] <jason__10> its probably common
[03:00] <jason__10> searayman:  you need to try and compile it yourself and then see what problems come up, no one can do it for you ;)
[03:00] <Q-collective> anyone?
[03:00] <flaccid> Jucato: need to wait for the final release then see what a variety of people say. then you can gauge if there are problems are much they impact
[03:00] <Jucato> flaccid: but what I meant regarding stability is that kwin alone, in the first place, already works and is stable. now it has compositing effects. But if suddenly the hardware could not support it, kwin automatically switches to non-composited mode (even if you enabled composite effects). anyway... I'm not really the expert on these technical stuff
[03:00] <luke73> adept just crashed .. and now it won't load... says another copy is running?
[03:00] <searayman> jason__10, well i am confused at one of the steps of compiling tghat i am reading in the readme
[03:01] <[pyro] > luke73: ps aux | grep adept then kill the pid
[03:01] <jason__10> uh hu
[03:01] <Jucato> !sound | Q-collective
[03:01] <ubotu> Q-collective: If you're having problems with sound, first ensure ARTS is running, by going to K Menu -> System Settings -> Sound System and making sure "Enable the sound system" is checked. If that fails, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Sound - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting - For playing audio files, see !Players and !MP3
[03:01] <Jucato> !adeptfix | luke73
[03:01] <ubotu> luke73: If Adept crashed on you and your database is locked, try this in konsole:  sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a 
[03:01] <joseph1110216> does anyone here know of any good packet sniffers for wireless for windows that doesnt require a freaking usb adapter?
[03:01] <flaccid> Jucato: yep and hopefully you don't loose functionality when that occurs, and hopefully it doesn't occur at all. i'll wait for prod release
[03:01] <[pyro] > luke73: or what Jucato said ;)
[03:01] <Q-collective> Jucato: thx
[03:01] <Q-collective> :)
[03:01] <joseph1110216> anyone know  of  any good packet sniffers for windows?
[03:02] <luke73> i do that from a consol?
[03:02] <jason__10> searayman:  sorry mate im no good for ya
[03:02] <Q-collective> oh god, arts... >_>
[03:02] <[pyro] > joseph1110216: wireshark
[03:02] <flaccid> joseph1110216: ethereal
[03:02] <jason__10> joseph1110216:  i think you can get ethereal
[03:02] <nosrednaekim> luke73: yeah
[03:02] <drif> joseph1110216: you could try also smartsniff - it's basic but easy to use
[03:02] <[pyro] > joseph1110216: wireshark / ethereal are the same
[03:02] <joseph1110216> ok wireshark and ethereal dont need usb adapters do they?
[03:02] <Jucato> flaccid: of course it won't lose functionality. you do lose the shadows, translucency, etc. but the basic stuff will still be there. think of it like using kwin and then using beryl+aquamarine then turning beryl off...
[03:02] <searayman> jason__10, this is wher ei am confused
[03:02] <searayman> jason__10, 3/ In a console, type :
[03:02] <searayman> 	patch -p1 -d KOPETE_DIRECTORY < kopete.diff
[03:02] <searayman> Where KOPETE_DIRECTORY is to be replaced by your kopete directory, in my case './kopete-12.2'
[03:03] <jason__10> hmmm
[03:03] <ahvargas> hi is it posible to start 2 desktop enviroments with xinerama?
[03:03] <luke73> ok cool
[03:03] <luke73> Setting up java-common (0.25ubuntu2) ...
[03:03] <luke73> Setting up libnspr4 (1.firefox2.0.0.6+1-0ubuntu1) ...
[03:03] <luke73> Setting up libnss3 (1.firefox2.0.0.6+1-0ubuntu1) ...
[03:03] <luke73> ops..
[03:03] <jason__10> searayman:  good idea, try the kopete room
[03:03] <nosrednaekim> !pastebin| luke73
[03:03] <ubotu> luke73: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[03:03] <flaccid> Jucato: yes i know the concept. you are assuming already thats its totally graceful. theory is different to practice.
[03:03] <jason__10> luke73:  Do not install JAVA On this IRC what have I told you!
[03:03] <joseph1110216> does smartsniff or ethereal save packets in a .cap format?
[03:03] <searayman> jason__10, no on eis respondign or talkign in there?
[03:03] <Jucato> flaccid: from what I experienced on alpha, it was quite graceful enough :)
[03:04] <luke73> install java?
[03:04] <Jucato> jason__10: hm? O.o
[03:04] <jason__10> i thought you were talking german for a minute searayman, lol only kiddin
[03:04] <flaccid> Jucato: yes and my point is that you don't judge stability on one users exprerience of the beta version..
[03:04] <jason__10> luke73:  Sorry i was just jokin at the apt pastes
[03:04] <drif> jason__10: I found it amusing remark ;)
[03:05] <jason__10> drif:  got my drift
[03:05] <Jucato> well, based on some comments from previous blog posts or dot kde articles, so far so good. but yeah, don't take my word for it. I'm not that reliable, being away for months
[03:05] <[pyro] > bbs
[03:05] <luke73> heh heh
[03:05] <luke73> ok
[03:05] <jason__10> thanks, i try :-[
[03:05] <jason__10> plus I had a couple of drinks
[03:05] <nosrednaekim> luke73: so firefox works now?
[03:05] <jason__10> geeks and drink eh
[03:05] <luke73> I'm a windows guy giving up windows.. it's kinda like withdrawl symptoms.. haha
[03:06] <flaccid> Jucato: looks very promising then
[03:06] <jason__10> luke73:  we all go through it mate
[03:06] <jason__10> i only use windows to help people fix windows
[03:07] <Jucato> flaccid: don't worry. I'll be one of the first to be disappointed if this doesn't work out. I've been excited about this for almost a year now :)
[03:07] <Jucato> imagine: the coolness of compiz/beryl with the stability and functionality and KDE-ness of kwin!
[03:07] <jason__10> i just came up with a little slogan... "If only Linux run the world...."
[03:07] <Jucato> (plus Plasma)
[03:07] <jason__10> debug "if only linux RAN the world"
[03:08] <luke73> jason_10: how do I remember all those commands? I guess it's like learning a new language..
[03:08] <Jucato> not that far from reality, considering the web mostly runs on *nix (I think)
[03:08] <Jucato> luke73: constant usage, effort to memorize/remember, etc. :)
[03:08] <flaccid> Jucato: agreed. vista got in early however...
[03:08] <jason__10> luke73:  well to be honest once youve settled into linux theres only a few commands you actually Need to use
[03:08] <Jucato> early? O.o
[03:08] <jason__10> and in the terminal you can press UP to goto last commands
[03:09] <flaccid> bill runs the world lol
[03:09] <Jucato> that's a surprise hehehe
[03:09] <jason__10> flaccid: lol, i sort of was talking about the open source community, the spirit
[03:09] <Jucato> anyway, need to work. afk :P
[03:09] <jason__10> !afk
[03:09] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about afk - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[03:09] <flaccid> jason__10: in that case, bsd owns....
[03:09] <jason__10> yeah?
[03:09] <flaccid> of course
[03:09] <jason__10> dont tell me that, ive just got my kubuntu as good as i need it
[03:10] <flaccid> um
[03:10] <flaccid> im talking server...
[03:10] <jason__10> uh huh
[03:10] <flaccid> freebsd/kde is faster than kubuntu, but lacks support because bsd has less support by vendors than linux
[03:10] <flaccid> ubuntu is not a server OS
[03:10] <searayman> jason__10, ok so i started to try myself, and think i am missing some dependancies coudl u give it a look and tell me what i need to install i am not familier with kde packages?
[03:10] <searayman> jason__10, http://pastebin.ca/671863
[03:11] <Jucato> ubuntu server is a server os right?hehehe
[03:11] <Arwen> yes
[03:11] <Arwen> lol
[03:11] <flaccid> Jucato: thats what they *call* it
[03:11] <Jucato> bah!! need to get to work!!! :/
[03:11] <jason__10> ok searayman
[03:11] <flaccid> the fact that ubuntu's servers got hacked...
[03:11] <Arwen> Server's pretty nice if you want a lightweight desktop too :-)
[03:11] <Arwen> flaccid, an old badly administrated one did
[03:12] <flaccid> either way, it doesn't demonstrate security
[03:12] <Arwen> and it wasn't Ubuntu's per-say
[03:12] <albertmk> aMSN is not good, right?
[03:12] <Jucato> hm... those are 1) not official canonical servers; 2) running older versions of Ubuntu
[03:12] <flaccid> ubuntu or ubuntu staff, doesn't really matter. the staff are behind ubuntu  :)
[03:12] <Arwen> flaccid, if obsolete and unpatched software gets r00t3d, that's not the fault of the developers
[03:13] <flaccid> yes but ubuntu using old OS on their servers. that doesn't look good
[03:13] <Arwen> nobody would be surprised if Windows 95 got pwn3d either.
[03:13] <albertmk> Question: aMSN doesnt work , right?
[03:13] <Jucato> er.. no.. not really. we're talking about servers that are owned and run by Canonical which are *the* Ubuntu servers.
[03:13] <Arwen> flaccid, Ubuntu wasn't running those servers
[03:13] <Arwen> they were community operated
[03:13] <flaccid> Arwen: it doesn't matter who. doesn't really show that the community is a secure workhorse...
[03:13] <Arwen> so what it really shows is... the Ubuntu community can't run squat!
[03:13] <Jucato> it does matter who!
[03:13] <flaccid> its like a robber breaking in and then saying, we don't own the house we are just leasing it
[03:14] <flaccid> yes it doesn't demonstrate security
[03:14] <Arwen> flaccid, well, no ****. The community can't do anything.
[03:14] <nosrednaekim> !offtopic
[03:14] <ubotu> #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related support questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[03:14] <flaccid> well this relates to kubuntu and its support very much so...
[03:14] <Arwen> flaccid, no, it's like a robber breaking into an unlocked house with a broken door and then blaming the guys next door for not doing anything.
[03:14] <Arwen> anyway, we're really off topic now
[03:14] <jason__10> searayman:  im not sure
[03:14] <flaccid> its quite on topic
[03:15] <flaccid> either way, nobody can say that it makes ubuntu look secure..
[03:15] <searayman> jason__10, its ok drif i think is helping me
[03:15] <Arwen> flaccid, nobody did.
[03:15] <flaccid> implications did
[03:15] <flaccid> but hey who cares
[03:15] <halakar> How to uninstal a package via command line interface?
[03:16] <halakar> My friend boned up his Kubuntu by installing a nvidia-glx driver with apt-get
[03:16] <flaccid> anyone that claims ubuntu is a decent server OS is in fairyland...
[03:16] <Arwen> halakar, apt-get remove package, aptitude remove package, or dpkg -r package.
[03:16] <flaccid> halakar: sudo apt-get remove nvidia-glx
[03:16] <nosrednaekim> halakar: to reconfigure the x server from the command line, run "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" and select the vesa driver
[03:17] <flaccid> if you upgrade kernel, you need to reinstall the nvidia driver as its kernel based
[03:17] <flaccid> nosrednaekim: xorg.conf could be fine..
[03:17] <albertmk> I need to install my ndivia
[03:17] <albertmk> just need to apt-get install .... ?
[03:18] <flaccid> !nvidia > albertmk
[03:20] <halakar> Alright
[03:28] <jason__10> !dont time out
[03:28] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about dont time out - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[03:29] <Q-collective> hmm, I've followed the pages as suggested by !sound, but it didn't help me anything... any other suggestions?
[03:29] <Jucato> what seems to be the problem?
[03:30] <Jucato> er.. where did that | come from?? O.o
[03:30] <flaccid> try the debian sound wiki, Q-collective
[03:30] <Q-collective> from your subconciousness? ;)
[03:30] <Q-collective> flaccid: good idea
[03:31] <Jucato> if it's an arts problem, easy to replace it with something like sox...
[03:31] <Q-collective> arts is running
[03:31] <Q-collective> modules are up
[03:31] <Q-collective> mixer volumes are up
[03:31] <Jucato> no sound at all?
[03:31] <Q-collective> none
[03:31] <flaccid> linux sound scares me
[03:32] <Jucato> hm... well not everything in KDE uses arts anyway. only for system notifications...
[03:32] <Q-collective> flaccid: well, onboard sound and linux are like water and fire
[03:32] <Jucato> so it might be a deeper (eeek!) sound problem... :(
[03:33] <Q-collective> Jucato: indeed, my testing applet in this is a browser opened on youtube
[03:33] <Q-collective> ;)
[03:36] <halakar> guys, how about the search command for packages using apt-get ?
[03:37] <flaccid> i'd try debian wiki sound and get it to go with aplay first
[03:37] <Jucato> halakar: apt-cache search
[03:37] <halakar> even one that is not currently installed?
[03:38] <Jucato> yes
[03:45] <albertmk> !gadgets
[03:45] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about gadgets - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[03:46] <albertmk> Gadget for Kubuntu?
[03:46] <albertmk> !gadget
[03:46] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about gadget - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[03:46] <nosredna_ekim> !superkaramba
[03:46] <ubotu> superkaramba is an application that gives you interactive eye-candy on your desktop. To get themes for it, head over to http://kde-look.org
[03:47] <albertmk> thanks a lot
[03:47] <albertmk> superkaramba, this name sounds funny
[03:47] <jason__10> i tried karamba once but i think i was using gnome and it was buggy obviously its for kde tho
[03:47] <Jucato> it was originally "karamba". but the later upgraded version became super
[03:48] <Jucato> no. karamba is for kde
[03:48] <Jucato> karamba -- evolution --> superkaramba
[03:48] <Jucato> GNOME has gDesklets
[03:52] <jason__10> Jucato:  true, but that was also buggy for me
[03:52] <Jucato> :)
[03:52] <hitmanWilly> never really liked karamba myself
[03:52] <Jucato> superkaramba is, in a way, really buggy. because it's really a hack on KDE, when the devs didn't provide the infrastructure necessary for creating desktop applets
[03:52] <Jucato> that's why Plasma was born
[03:53] <jason__10> im starting to apreciate a minimal desktop
[03:53] <jason__10> also im starting to think pressing TAB will complete any words in a normal sentance....
[03:53] <hitmanWilly> jason__10, heh, do that all the time myself, too
[03:53] <jason__10> lol
[03:53] <hitmanWilly> habit, i guess
[03:54] <hitmanWilly> doesn't work when writing scripts, either :P
[03:54] <jason__10> and when im writing Im becoming more and more dyslexic because im used to pressing backspace and you cant really do that with a pen...
[03:55] <hitmanWilly> jason__10, it works with a pencil, tho
[03:55] <hitmanWilly> lol
[03:55] <Arwen> quick check: a 5.1 channel sound card has 3 outputs, right?
[03:56] <hitmanWilly> Arwen, i think two is the norm
[03:56] <Arwen> hmm. Because my sound card confuses me. It has what looks like 4 outputs.
[03:56] <jason__10> hitmanWilly:  Pencil is slower than linux
[03:56] <hitmanWilly> yes, it is
[03:57] <halakar> hey cvstrat
[03:57] <cvstrat> yo
[03:57] <jason__10> i wander if Linus used Irc
[03:57] <obf213> how do i enable a gui when i try to start another session??
[03:58] <U238Willy> well.. i got my video back to 1024x768.. but now when trying to play video in kaffeine.. the video is really choppy.. and colored strange.. whereas before.. it was ok..
[03:58] <jason__10> obf213:  im not sure, you mean another X session?
[03:58] <Jucato> K Menu -> Switch user -> Start a new session?
[03:58] <Meowmixiscoo> Hi
[03:58] <cvstrat> adept manager finds a lot of nvidia stuff, should i just install the nvidia-glx package from there and se e if it gets all of the required dependencies?
[03:59] <jason__10> U238Willy: hm, i think i downloaded a new graphic driver to solve that
[03:59] <flaccid> !nvidia > cvstrat
[03:59] <obf213> jason yes
[03:59] <U238Willy> so.. for a geforce2
[04:00] <U238Willy> look for nvidia drivers?
[04:00] <obf213> jason_10 you know when you do cntrl alt and an f-key it stars a new session
[04:00] <obf213> but its all terminal based how do i get the gui
[04:01] <Jucato> obf213: K Menu -> Switch user -> Start a new session?
[04:01] <obf213> jucato, i dont want to switch users
[04:01] <obf213> i just want to start another session
[04:01] <obf213> i have started another session before
[04:01] <nosredna_ekim> U238Willy: you need "nvidia-glx-legacy"
[04:01] <obf213> bt its all command line
[04:01] <obf213> i want the gui also
[04:02] <U238Willy> ok
[04:02] <U238Willy> but do i need to change xorg.conf
[04:02] <jason__10> obf213:  TO be honest, i only ever used one x session at a time, maybe you can do more...
[04:02] <U238Willy> afterwards to use it?
[04:03] <nosredna_ekim> U238Willy: indeed
[04:03] <flaccid> you can do more X11 sessions via cli
[04:04] <U238Willy> ok.. thank you.. i'll try my best
[04:04] <obf213> ok
[04:04] <flaccid> but i've never heard of a gui to create mroe
[04:04] <Cannoli> !avi
[04:04] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[04:05] <flaccid> obf213: http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/80
[04:05] <tazgodx> is there some kind of remote desktop tool i can use in kubuntu to connect to a vista machine?
[04:05] <flaccid> obf213: http://www.hermann-uwe.de/tips-and-tricks/multiple-x11-sessions
[04:06] <Cannoli> anyone know a good avi player?
[04:06] <Cannoli> i cant seem to get this movie to wokr in mplayer or kaffine
[04:06] <jason__10> Cannoli:  mplayer not good enough?
[04:06] <Cannoli> i get an error
[04:06] <jason__10> hmm, propbably to do with a codec
[04:06] <flaccid> what is the error
[04:06] <flaccid> usually better to fix an error. in this case all media players use the same codecs.. so getting another play probably won't help
[04:07] <flaccid> !codecs
[04:07] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[04:07] <Cannoli> eorror opening/initializing the selected video_out (vo) device
[04:07] <Cannoli> error*
[04:07] <flaccid> did you google the problem
[04:08] <flaccid> and do you have libxine-extracodecs installed?
[04:08] <flaccid> Cannoli: if you have codecs installed. google shows lots of possible solutions: http://www.google.com/search?client=opera&rls=en&q=error+opening/initializing+the+selected+video_out+(vo)+device+ubuntu&sourceid=opera&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8
[04:12] <rc-1> hi, ktorrent and other apps keep crashing like this : http://pastebin.com/m5ee7fb6a
[04:12] <tazgodx> Cannoli: why not try VLC
[04:13] <jason__10> rc-1:  definately a QT problem
[04:14] <jason__10> have you tried doing a reinstall or upgrade?
[04:14] <jason__10> when was the last time you done a major upgrade?
[04:14] <albertmk> superkaramba just crashs
[04:14] <albertmk> sometimes it resemble windows apps
[04:14] <rc-1> jason__10: yesterday i installed kubuntu
[04:15] <brycew> how do I view the logs in .gaim?  Does it also show the conversations, or just the status'?
[04:15] <rc-1> jason__10: fresh install, from live cd
[04:16] <tazgodx> anyone know of a remote desktop prog for kubuntu, that lets me remotely access a vista machine?
[04:16] <jason__10> rc-1:  hmm
[04:17] <jason__10> strange, i never had that prob, but if you open Adept (package manager) look to see how many packages could be upgraded.. it will tell you at the bottom
[04:17] <drif> tazgodx: if vista supports some vnc-based software - then it should be rather easy
[04:17] <drif> tazgodx: google for vnc
[04:18] <jason__10> hi again brycew
[04:18] <jason__10> usually there is a menu item for HIstory, if you click on the user with right mouse
[04:18] <Cannoli> got it working
[04:19] <Cannoli> thanx :)
[04:19] <albertmk> anything else to improve kde look besides superkaramba?
[04:19] <jason__10> albertmk:  your not from Milton keynes MK are you?
[04:19] <rc-1> jason__10: installing updates, ill let you know if it fixs :)
[04:19] <jason__10> or you really like mortal kombat?
[04:19] <albertmk> jason__10: no at all
[04:19] <jason__10> rc1 no probs
[04:19] <jason__10> albertmk:  no worries lol
[04:19] <albertmk> lol
[04:20] <brycew> Sorry, got lost in reading some information lol Thanks for the welcome back jason__10!
[04:21] <jason__10> albertmk: i always make my bottom panel Tiny and remove some of the items like virtual windows viewer, i change the time to not show date etc and I make my own menu of apps I only use in a nice order
[04:21] <jason__10> brycew: no worries mate
[04:22] <jason__10> albertmk:  also you know you have the icon with places, home folder and storage devices... I always make a mini menu similar to that called work, with all the tools i only use when im working. sort of makes it easier and it looks good. I also downloaded a set of nice icons
[04:22] <flaccid> tazgodx: krdc
[04:24] <jason__10> albertmk:  tbh i think the trick with kde is not to use karamba and other gimicks that slow you down, just make the simple things look nicer like KDM login splash, the panel, wallpaper and icons.
[04:24] <jason__10> so you have a nice look and speedy system
[04:24] <tazgodx> flaccid: got a link?
[04:25] <flaccid> tazgodx: install the package rdesktop and then run krdc . then use rdp:/myvistabox
[04:25] <albertmk> thanks for your information
[04:25] <asdwerfz> I need some help to create a Kubuntu boot disk
[04:25] <jason__10> albertmk:  its ok sorry for typin so much lol
[04:25] <flaccid> asdwerfz: use the livecd
[04:25] <jason__10> i love my kde desktop and its quite plain
[04:26] <asdwerfz> but i want to initialize it from the hd
[04:26] <flaccid> asdwerfz: initialise?
[04:26] <asdwerfz> in the sda1
[04:26] <flaccid> what do you mean
[04:26] <asdwerfz> sorry
[04:26] <jason__10> asdwerfz:  its prob best to just install to a small partition
[04:26] <jason__10> a lot better
[04:27] <flaccid> what are you trying to achieve, asdwerfz
[04:27] <asdwerfz> when i used the winXP and the ubuntu the grub used to work
[04:27] <tazgodx> how come i have one file that will never upgrade? it always says one file help back
[04:27] <flaccid> asdwerfz: you can reinstall grub via livecd
[04:27] <flaccid> tazgodx: try sudo apt-get install packageheldback
[04:27] <asdwerfz> how?
[04:28] <greenkobold> have anyone successfully used Ubuntu 7.04's wxPython package? i mean, can you at least import it on python? (import wx)
[04:29] <tazgodx> shen i try to install like that it says it has unmet dependancies
[04:29] <brycew> Question for someone:  I'm trying to upload a picture to a website of myself... Everytime I browse to find the picture on my profile, click to choose and upload, it doesn't work.  I noticed when I select the desired picture and it shows up in the upload box, there's no .jpg at the end of it... is this why it's not working?
[04:30] <flaccid> asdwerfz: i'll check
[04:30] <flaccid> !fixgrub
[04:30] <ubotu> grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[04:30] <flaccid> there we go
[04:30] <tazgodx> and when i try to upgrade the unmet dependancy, it tells me newest is installed
[04:30] <asdwerfz> tnx
[04:31] <asdwerfz> I'll have a look
[04:31] <jason__10> brycew:  im not sure, it might be the script on the site playin up
[04:31] <flaccid> tazgodx: pastebin the whole output of sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade && sudo /etc/apt/sources.list && sudo lsb_release -a
[04:31] <brycew> jason__10: it's my yahoo profile I'm trying to update lol When you pointed it out to me in your message, I realized it's been years since I updated that.
[04:32] <jason__10> lol
[04:32] <jason__10> strange
[04:33] <brycew> if none of you have tried the new Nestle Dibs, you're missing out... They are my new best friend for munchies lol
[04:33] <brycew> sorry for the off topic there
[04:33] <drif> brycew: shame on you, promoting those greedy faceless corporations
[04:33] <tazgodx> flaccid: how do i pastebit the output?
[04:34] <flaccid> !pastebin > tazgodx
[04:34] <tazgodx> thanks
[04:34] <rc-1> jason__10: didnt help :( what else should i try
[04:35] <jason__10> sorry rc-1
[04:35] <tazgodx> so what would the syntax be for the output?
[04:35] <brycew> drif: but they are soooooooooooo yummy lol
[04:36] <brycew> and the wife is at work, so I don't have to share >:D
[04:37] <albertmk> jason__10: btw, tell me more about "KDM login splash"
[04:38] <albertmk> if you are not busy, of course
[04:38] <flaccid> tazgodx: just run that long command and pastebin the output
[04:39] <tazgodx> i ran it, but got this "sudo: /etc/apt/sources.list: command not found"
[04:39] <flaccid> my bad
[04:39] <flaccid> tazgodx:  sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade && sudo cat /etc/apt/sources.list && sudo lsb_release -a
[04:39] <tazgodx> ok
[04:39] <rc-1> freak so much stuff keeps crashing?
[04:40] <rc-1> anyone know what http://pastebin.com/m7cd0fb51 could mean :?(
[04:40] <tazgodx> flaccid: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/35196/
[04:41] <flaccid> !baddevice > rc-1
[04:41] <rc-1> oh thanx
[04:42] <rc-1> i guess stuff is unstable for unrelated reasons then :\ (ktorrent, eclipse, firefox)
[04:42] <flaccid> tazgodx: what does sudo apt-get install libcompizconfig-backend-kconfig   return?
[04:42] <Daisuke_Laptop> well then, i've figured out my direct rendering problem
[04:42] <flaccid> rc-1: its for tablet support in xorg.conf. no actual problem
[04:42] <rc-1> ah ok thanks!
[04:43] <tazgodx> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/35199/
[04:44] <rc-1> how do i figure out why these apps are crashing? the only errors i see are the ones i pasted, which are unrelated?
[04:44] <jake> Hello, I made a cheatsheet for new Kubuntu users.
[04:44] <jake> http://tan-com.com/jatecblog/?q=node/18
[04:44] <jake> I was wondering if anyway has any problems with it or suggestions?
[04:44] <flaccid> tazgodx: were you here yesterday with same problem
[04:44] <tazgodx> no
[04:44] <tazgodx> yesterday i was on my windows partition
[04:46] <Daisuke_Laptop> jawee_: i'm going to take a look at that
[04:46] <flaccid> you are trying to install compiz fusion basically, tazgodx?
[04:46] <Daisuke_Laptop> sounda like a good idea
[04:46] <tazgodx> i tried, but it doesn't work. i was just curious how i can get rip of this icon in my taskbar telling me to upgrade
[04:47] <tazgodx> *rid
[04:47] <Daisuke_Laptop> i can't justify telling users to use dolphin yet, as it feels woefully incomplete under feisty
[04:48] <jawee_> Daisuke_Laptop: okay. :)
[04:48] <Daisuke_Laptop> and it sort of implies (in the programs section) that you can no longer use the gnome equivalent in kde
[04:48] <Daisuke_Laptop> which just isn't true
[04:48] <flaccid> tazgodx: then just remove the repos (tuxfamily) and sudo apt-get update
[04:49] <Daisuke_Laptop> i like the list you have there though
[04:49] <Daisuke_Laptop> for an integratoin-focused user, that's exactly what they'd be using :)
[04:49] <jawee_> Daisuke_Laptop: so you think the application part isn't helpful?
[04:49] <Daisuke_Laptop> oh, and the way the terminal commands are listed looks weird (pdf)
[04:50] <Daisuke_Laptop> it's helpful, but add a little disclaimer saying "you can still use the gnome alternative"
[04:50] <jawee_> yeah
[04:50] <jawee_> I printed it out and it looked fine
[04:50] <jawee_> but I never looked much at the PDF on screen
[04:50] <jawee_> Are you using kpdf?
[04:50] <Daisuke_Laptop> evince
[04:51] <Daisuke_Laptop> (i use kde on my desktop, gnome on my laptop)
[04:51] <jawee_> ah
[04:51] <jawee_> I use KDE everywhere
[04:51] <jawee_> though it is slow on my old Celeron 466
[04:51] <Daisuke_Laptop> see, that's the thing
[04:51] <tazgodx> flaccid:  thanks that worked
[04:52] <Mr56k> whats the apt-get command for getting firefox ?
[04:52] <Daisuke_Laptop> the fact that you CAN use kde on that is a testament to (k)ubuntu's flexibility with hardware
[04:52] <Daisuke_Laptop> sudo apt-get install firefox
[04:52] <Mr56k> thx
[04:52] <jawee_> yeah
[04:52] <jawee_> well I will try a new font
[04:52] <jawee_> this one doesn't look too great on screen
[04:52] <jawee_> I see what you mean
[04:52] <Daisuke_Laptop> i'm willing to bet xp wouldn't run nearly as well on that machine
[04:52] <jawee_> it looks ok printed
[04:53] <jawee_> I used to run XP on it
[04:53] <jawee_> it was awful
[04:53] <jawee_> and no cleartype
[04:53] <debiani386> evening all
[04:53] <Daisuke_Laptop> i'm STILL fighting to get jbuilder working
[04:53] <jawee_> so the fonts were awful
[04:53] <Daisuke_Laptop> apparently linux wasn't a high priority for the distributor...
[04:53] <jawee_> hmm?
[04:53] <thev> is there any easy way to resize a folder full of jpgs?
[04:54] <jawee_> I'm saying Linux worked better than XP, since it can with 98
[04:54] <thev> I tried imagemagick, but it's really making me crazy
[04:54] <Mr56k> Everytime i try to open Adept installer from the K- Menu I get the error:  Another process is using the packaging system. Please close the other etc..   Well as far as I no nothing is open plus I even rebooted the machine. Whats next ?
[04:54] <debiani386> linux "worked" better then xp? does windows xp work better then linux now?
[04:54] <debiani386> or did you type 'd' meaning 's'
[04:54] <Daisuke_Laptop> jawee_: oh, definitely linux will work better than xp on that machine, that's what i was saying
[04:55] <jawee_> oh, ok
[04:55] <jawee_> debiani386: I'm just saying XP was a plain mess on it and it was from 2001. Linux runs faster and better from a modern 2007 distro
[04:55] <debiani386> jawee >> ah.
[04:56] <Mr56k> anyone ?
[04:56] <Daisuke_Laptop> !aptfix | Mr56k
[04:56] <ubotu> Mr56k: If Adept crashed on you and your database is locked, try this in konsole:  sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a 
[04:57] <debiani386> sudo aptfix will fix your problem mr56k
[05:02] <jawee_> anyway, thanks for the input
[05:05] <fangorious> i just burned a gutsy flight5 cd, and there doesn't appear to be a gui install mode, is that right?
[05:06] <dewitt> i had same problem as mr56k, used command listed by ubotu, but now it has error when i try to update
[05:07] <wers> is there an alternative for GNOME's deskbar applet for KDE?
[05:08] <Jucato> perhaps the strigi applet
[05:08] <Mr56k> that fixed it. Thanks Ubotu!
[05:08] <Jucato> !thanks
[05:08] <ubotu> You're welcome! But keep in mind I'm just a bot ;-)
[05:08] <Jucato> :)
[05:09] <Jucato> if you want to thank ubotu...
[05:09] <Jucato> !botsnack
[05:09] <ubotu> Yum! Err, I mean, APT!
[05:10] <jawee_> !botsnack
[05:10] <ubotu> Yum! Err, I mean, APT!
[05:10] <Daisuke_Laptop> whazza deskbar applet?
[05:10] <Jucato> it's a panel applet in GNOME
[05:10] <jawee_> darn, I was hoping for more messages
[05:11] <Jucato> it can do searches, launch apps, webpages
[05:11] <Daisuke_Laptop> neat
[05:11] <fangorious> does kubuntu have a gui installer?
[05:11] <hydrogen> so like katapult..?
[05:11] <hydrogen> which is installed by default
[05:11] <hydrogen> alt+space
[05:11] <Jucato> sort of, except the search part :)
[05:11] <hydrogen> it kind of seraching
[05:11] <hydrogen> or
[05:11] <hydrogen> install google desktop :)
[05:11] <Jucato> or strigi!!
[05:11] <Daisuke_Laptop> beagle
[05:11] <Jucato> heheh
[05:12] <hydrogen> deb http://dl.google.com/linux/deb/ stable non-free
[05:12] <Daisuke_Laptop> is beagle even updated anymore?
[05:12] <Jucato> strigi will be installed by default in Gutsy :)
[05:12] <Jucato> and it will be the default in KDE 4... so...
[05:12] <jawee_> I use kerry
[05:12] <Jucato> kerry is just a KDE frontend to beagle
[05:12] <jawee_> which is basically Beagle
[05:12] <Jucato> you still need beagle.. and mono
[05:12] <hydrogen> use kat!
[05:12] <jawee_> yeah :\
[05:12] <Jucato> kat's still alive?
[05:12] <jawee_> I'd use something better if it came along
[05:12] <hydrogen> doubtful
[05:12] <hydrogen> but
[05:12] <Jucato> I thought it was on a respirator already
[05:12] <fignew> strigi = gonna be in 7.10
[05:12] <hydrogen> use it anyways
[05:12] <Jucato> heheh
[05:12] <jawee_> But I don't want to use Google software
[05:13] <Daisuke_Laptop> until i can use a cuecat to search for things by barcode, i'm not interested...
[05:13] <jawee_> though i did finally bite the bullet and get Google Earth
[05:13] <hydrogen> you commie
[05:18] <searayman> i have gnoem and kde and i want to find my path to GT files how can i do this?
[05:22] <searayman> need help i keep gettign this error: configure: error: Could not find Kopete header files!
[05:22] <searayman> mike@mike-desktop:~/Desktop/desklist$
[05:24] <Jucato> searayman: what are you trying to do?
[05:24] <Jucato> oh the kopete patch thingy?
[05:26] <mmmiiikkkeee> adept updater keeps telling me that "compiz-core" is upgradable... enver after upgrading it
[05:27] <jawee__> mmmiiikkkeee: I personally just use aptitude and never use the GUI tools for package management.
[05:29] <mmmiiikkkeee> i normaly use apt-get.. but i like adept-updater so i _know_ when i need to get an update...any ways.. i installed with apt-get and it still thinks the package is upgradable
[05:29] <searayman> Jucato, configure a kopete plugin
[05:30] <hydrogen> mmmiiikkkeee: It does the same thing for me
[05:30] <hydrogen> mmmiiikkkeee: I think its a bug with the package
[05:30] <Jucato> searayman: try installing kdenetwork-dev
[05:31] <searayman> Jucato, ok one more things
[05:31] <searayman> Jucato, it says to do this: ./configure --prefix=/path/to/kde/3.5
[05:31] <searayman> Jucato, what shoudl i do for my path?
[05:32] <mmmiiikkkeee> hydrogen: ok thanks... i will just wait for it to be fixed... I was just worried i messed up my compiz install
[05:32] <coreymon77> does anyone know anything about fink in here, because the people in the fink channel arent answering
[05:33] <searayman> Jucato, u there?
[05:33] <flaccid> coreymon77: you are using fink on ubuntu?
[05:33] <flaccid> !find fink
[05:33] <coreymon77> nope
[05:33] <ubotu> File fink found in zsh, zsh-beta
[05:33] <coreymon77> mac
[05:33] <Jucato> searayman: sorry stepped out a bit.
[05:33] <coreymon77> i know
[05:33] <searayman> Jucato, did u get my last messages?
[05:33] <flaccid> this was #kubuntu last time i checked. see ##mac
[05:33] <coreymon77> but i though id give it a try
[05:33] <flaccid> lol
[05:34] <jawee_> coreymon77: Did you get a Mac?
[05:34] <flaccid> go play with the arrogrance in ##mac
[05:34] <Jucato> coreymon77: still about konvi?
[05:34] <jawee_> coreymon77: well funny place to run into you.
[05:34] <intelikey> i have this nic i pulled from one box and put in another,  but in the other it don't work.   same *buntu/version   same driver/module    what am i missing ?
[05:34] <searayman> Jucato, ok i made progress got a new error now
[05:34] <searayman> Jucato, configure: error: X Screensaver extension header files not found!
[05:34] <searayman> mike@mike-desktop:~/Desktop/desklist$
[05:34] <Jucato> searayman: by default it will be /usr where KDE is installed, so you don't need to do anything
[05:34] <Jucato> intelikey!!!!!!!!!!!!
[05:34] <intelikey> Jucato long C++ no time
[05:35] <Jucato> heheh :)
[05:35] <intelikey> :)
[05:36] <Jucato> I had to step out so that you could reclaim your throne in here :P
[05:36] <intelikey> lol
[05:36] <intelikey> well did i ?
[05:36] <searayman> Jucato, any idea for this error?
[05:36] <Jucato> dunno
[05:36] <searayman> Jucato, configure: error: X Screensaver extension header files not found!
[05:36] <searayman> mike@mike-desktop:~/Desktop/desklist$
[05:36] <Jucato> searayman: wait
[05:37] <searayman> Jucato, k
[05:38] <Jucato> not sure if installing xorg-dev will fix that
[05:38] <intelikey> searayman there isn't a specific xscreensaver-dev anything  so try the xorg-dev package
[05:40] <searayman> inaety, didnt find that package?
[05:41] <Jucato> xorg-dev
[05:41] <intelikey> anyone want to look at my issue ?    http://ubuntu.pastebin.us/39207
[05:42] <flaccid> ok intelikey mate
[05:42] <intelikey> !info xorg-dev
[05:42] <ubotu> xorg-dev: the X.Org X Window System development libraries. In component main, is optional. Version 1:7.2-0ubuntu11 (feisty), package size 25 kB, installed size 52 kB
[05:42] <flaccid> was was the problem sorry intelikey
[05:42] <tzanger> hello
[05:42] <intelikey> flaccid i'm talking on eth0  but can't get eth1 up
[05:42] <tzanger> I"ve got a 7.04 system I buggered up grub with
[05:43] <flaccid> eth1 is wireless?
[05:43] <intelikey> no
[05:43] <flaccid> !fixgrub
[05:43] <ubotu> grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[05:43] <intelikey> reltek
[05:43] <flaccid> ok
[05:43] <tzanger> /dev/sda1 is an xfs root filesystem, grub in the mbr of the same drive.  It says it's loading stage 1.5, then gives an error 17.
[05:43] <tzanger> I haven't got web access since that system is down, unfortunately
[05:43] <flaccid> intelikey: does the interface come up in ifconfig eth1
[05:43] <intelikey> flaccid no
[05:43] <unix_infidel> is partimage included with the install / live cd?
[05:44] <tzanger> I know I can fix this if I could just tell grub what to do, but grub-install /dev/sda says it cant' read stage1, even though it's 512 bytes long and not reporting any read errors in dmesg
[05:44] <intelikey> eth1: error fetching interface information: Device not found
[05:44] <drif> intelikey: found out which module kicks up that KTI adapter?
[05:45] <intelikey> drif yeah the same one for the reltek  and that may be teh issue
[05:45] <drif> intelikey: could be because lshw seems to be clashing those two :-\
[05:45] <unix_infidel> hmm, i guess not then?
[05:46] <cvstrat> <--- finally has nvidia drivers installed and both monitors working
[05:46] <intelikey> drif or hit someone that can say "oh yeah i had that problem..."
[05:46] <intelikey> ooops heh
[05:47] <intelikey> transpose the posts...
[05:47] <intelikey> / me  is not a command.. :)
[05:47] <intelikey> say
[05:47] <nicholaspaul> My USB Jump drive shows up in Gnome on the desktop - but where do i find it in KDE?
[05:48] <fignew> should show up on the desktop in KDE too
[05:48] <intelikey> nicholaspaul we would hope the same place...
[05:48] <nicholaspaul> yes. but it doesnt. is there another route?
[05:48] <intelikey> mount it manually
[05:48] <fignew> does anything pop up when you plug it in?
[05:49] <nicholaspaul> no nothing.
[05:49] <intelikey> that always works...   except when it doesn't.
[05:49] <searayman> Jucato, got my plugin to coa
[05:49] <nicholaspaul> lol
[05:49] <nicholaspaul> it shows up in lsusb... how do i mount it manually?
[05:50] <intelikey> sudo mount <device> <mount/point>        translate <>     man mount if you need options.
[05:50] <nicholaspaul> how do i know what the device is called?
[05:51] <intelikey> might look like     sudo mount /dev/sda1 /media/disk
[05:51] <intelikey> if it shows in lsusb doesn't that give a device ???   i don't have anything usb to test.
[05:52] <nicholaspaul> it gives a number but not a /dev/hda type name
[05:52] <intelikey> cat /proc/partitions   should show
[05:52] <intelikey> nicholaspaul or;  sudo fdisk -l
[05:53] <arun> hello
[05:53] <intelikey> arun
[05:53] <nicholaspaul> aah there it is. sdc1 thx intelikey :)
[05:54] <intelikey> np
[05:54] <flaccid> intelikey: sorry my gutsy crashed. any luck ?
[05:54] <intelikey> flaccid no
[05:54] <intelikey> i'm joogling still
[05:55] <nicholaspaul> intelikey - perfect, I got it :) Thx so much! (again!)
[05:56] <intelikey> nicholaspaul welcome welcome, welcome.   now stop crying on me and move on.
[05:56] <intelikey> :)
[05:57] <nicholaspaul> intelikey: LOL
[05:57] <Daisuke_Laptop> people see you as a compassionate soul!
[05:58] <kubuntunewbie> Does anyone know of any games available to download that are good and dont require much CPU?
[05:58] <Jucato> "intelikey" and "compassion" seem to be an odd couple...
[05:58] <albertmk> kubuntunewbie:
[05:58] <intelikey> Daisuke_Laptop yeah i try really hard to make a good false impression
[05:58] <albertmk> kubuntunewbie: StarCraft
[05:58] <intelikey> errr i mean first impression
[05:58] <albertmk> kubuntunewbie: StarCraft - Real Time Strategy
[05:58] <Jucato> frozen bubble...
[05:58] <Jucato> hahah
[05:59] <Daisuke_Laptop> but...  starcraft isn't free
[05:59] <intelikey> kubuntunewbie    kolf   xsol   xboard
[05:59] <albertmk> yeah, it is not
[05:59] <kubuntunewbie> how much does it cost?
[05:59] <Daisuke_Laptop> battle of wesnoth
[05:59] <albertmk> 10 bucks
[05:59] <cvstrat> why does it seem like any step by step tutorial is written for gnome users, not kde?
[06:00] <albertmk> if you want to run it on linux, it will take some time
[06:00] <Daisuke_Laptop> because ubuntu is primarily gnome.
[06:00] <flaccid> intelikey: confirmed that the chipset/card is supported and which driver?
[06:00] <kubuntunewbie> to be honest, this is my second time ever using linux and im just trying to learn it, anything fun i can do?
[06:00] <Daisuke_Laptop> and SC runs like a charm in Wine right out of the box :D
[06:00] <flaccid> cvstrat: people need to create kubuntu specific wiki entries
[06:00] <intelikey> flaccid yeah.  been using it in the other box i just pulled it from...
[06:00] <Daisuke_Laptop> kubuntunewbie: start by exploring the menus :)
[06:00] <nicholaspaul> /dev/sdc1 /media/1gig
[06:00] <albertmk> kubuntunewbie: start programming?
[06:01] <nicholaspaul> oops
[06:01] <ahvargas> kubuntunewbie: learn hoe to program in python
[06:01] <albertmk> kubuntunewbie: learn C Language
[06:01] <flaccid> so its basically not being assigned a logical name
[06:01] <Daisuke_Laptop> write pseudocode, pretend to comment...  bam, python program
[06:01] <flaccid> does /dev/eth0 exist?
[06:01] <intelikey>  kubuntunewbie   and "right click everything"
[06:01] <flaccid> intelikey: i mean /dev/eth1
[06:02] <intelikey> flaccid ls: /dev/et*: No such file or directory
[06:02] <flaccid> oh my bad
[06:02] <flaccid> its not like that on linux is it
[06:02] <albertmk> kubuntunewbie: start programming only if you like to do that
[06:02] <sanzanric> ssh is very fun
[06:02] <cloakable> Nope :P
[06:02] <cloakable> flaccid: nope
[06:03] <intelikey> !winamp
[06:03] <ubotu> winamp is a windows music player. On Ubuntu you can use beep-media-player or xmms as alternative.
[06:03] <sanzanric> you need to Linux boxes tho
[06:03] <Daisuke_Laptop> kubuntunewbie: what would you have done in windows?
[06:03] <sanzanric> two boxes
[06:03] <flaccid> um so how do you troubleshoot an iface on linux
[06:03] <albertmk> kubuntunewbie: This website is cool http://www.iso-9899.info/wiki/Main_Page
[06:04] <albertmk> kubuntunewbie: I cant send you private messages
[06:04] <ahvargas> sanzanric: no dont need two boxes you can ssh to localhost
[06:04] <Daisuke_Laptop> photo editing?  learn the gimp or krita!  have a music collection?  amarok is your friend.
[06:04] <intelikey> flaccid yeah that's the Q   and i'm still network illiterate.
[06:04] <albertmk> kubuntunewbie: start installing programmings like MP3 Players, Burn some CD/DVD etc
[06:04] <intelikey> but jucato is the network pro  i'll ask him...
[06:04] <brad_> Hey
[06:04] <albertmk> kubuntunewbie: learn how to use the terminal
[06:05] <brad_> my wireless keeps disconnecting after a while, and then wont reconnect, and it wont start working again if you close knetwork manager and start it again
[06:05] <albertmk> Im also a newbie thou :D
[06:05] <intelikey> !cli | kubuntunewbie
[06:05] <sanzanric> ahvargas: but that's only so fun
[06:05] <ubotu> kubuntunewbie: The linux terminal or command-line interface is very powerful. Open a terminal via Applications -> Accessories -> Terminal (Gnome) or K-menu -> System -> Konsole (KDE).  Guide: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UsingTheTerminal
[06:05] <brad_> but if you restart the comp (w/o touching router) it will work when turned back on
[06:06] <ahvargas> kubuntunewbie: install beryl or compiz fusion
[06:06] <brycew> How do I get java runtime for Firefox?
[06:06] <sanzanric> ahvargas: i actually do that all the time but with a vm
[06:07] <intelikey> oh let the poor guy explor the working system before you have him break it.
[06:07] <flaccid> intelikey: dang. yeah if this was bsd, i would know what to do because they use bios names. because linux uses linux logical names the process is crazy
[06:07] <ahvargas> sanzanric: ja ok
[06:08] <brycew> Does anyone here know how to get java runtime working for my firefox browser?  I'd like to play pogo.com games but it says I need java runtime :S
[06:09] <sanzanric> try downloading "cheese" from getdeb.net, if you like photobooth on mac os x you'll find its somewhat fun
[06:09] <intelikey> !java | brycew
[06:09] <ubotu> brycew: To install a Java compiler/interpreter on Ubuntu, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java - For the Sun Java runtime install sun-java5-jre from the !Multiverse repository. Enable the backports repository on Edgy to install sun-java6-jre. Please don't use Adept to install Java if you are on Kubuntu 6.10 (Edgy) or earlier.
[06:09] <kubuntunewbie> do any of you guys use linux and nothing else?  i would like to rid my life of windows but this seems complex
[06:10] <BioVorE> I install sun-java6-bin sun-java6-jre sun-java6-plugin
[06:10] <BioVorE> That give me full java from apt..
[06:10] <intelikey> kubuntunewbie here here.
[06:11] <flaccid> kubuntunewbie: i use linux,freebsd and mac os x :)
[06:11] <intelikey> kubuntunewbie i'm not alone you just asked at a bad time
[06:11] <flaccid> kubuntunewbie: with help here you can accomplish it
[06:11] <sanzanric> kubuntu-restricted-extras? or is that only on 7.10
[06:12] <ahvargas> anoyone know how to make X11 take diferrent files for configuration
[06:12] <ahvargas> ?
[06:12] <sanzanric> yeah, it's only on gusty
[06:13] <ahvargas> i want to make a script to load my x with or whithout xinerama
 "M$ is the OS for liars" "everyone using M$ lied about the EULA" </not_trolling>
[06:13] <albertmk> kubuntunewbie: I can tell you this: irc.freenode.com helps me a lot
[06:13] <intelikey> !beryl | kubuntunewbie
[06:13] <ubotu> kubuntunewbie: beryl is a window manager that takes advantage of an OpenGL accelerated X environment. Help in #ubuntu-effects
[06:13] <albertmk> kubuntunewbie: 4 months ago I was just like you :P
[06:13] <NickPresta> My power went out today and when I turned back on my computer, I got this message during bootup (I have my splash off): Error receiving uevent message: No buffer space available. Is this a serious message or a minute error that will go away next time my system powers down normally?
[06:13] <intelikey> !ubotu | kubuntunewbie
[06:13] <ubotu> kubuntunewbie: I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots
[06:14] <albertmk> Question: Is there anykind of user friendly manual for kubuntu begginers ?
[06:14] <albertmk> Like:
[06:14] <albertmk> How to burn cds. etc
[06:14] <tazgodx> whats a good web page building app in linux?
[06:15] <flaccid> albertmk: http://wiki.kubuntu.org
[06:15] <albertmk> yeah. it would be nice to have this
[06:15] <flaccid> tazgodx: bluefish is ok
[06:15] <sanzanric> try f1 while running a program
[06:15] <ahvargas> tazgodx: dreamweber ruining with wine :P
[06:15] <NickPresta> albertmk, http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Ubuntu:Feisty/ Most of that applies to Kubuntu, although not all of it
[06:15] <albertmk> thanks
[06:15] <flaccid> albertmk: the ubuntu doc team don't want anything further than what is available atm :(
[06:15] <intelikey> NickPresta i'd say the initramfs is looking for usplash and you have it turned off   but without researching it, that's just a guess
[06:15] <NickPresta> albertmk, I'm an idiot: http://kubuntuguide.org/Feisty
[06:15] <albertmk> kubuntunewbie: you should add these websites to your bookmark
[06:15] <brycew> intelikey: I downloaded that sun java, read the page, but as I was downloading and installing the package, it gave me an error message saying the package was damaged.  I tried three different times :S
[06:15] <ahvargas>  tazgodx: you also can run aptana
[06:16] <intelikey> brycew S:
[06:16] <drif> brycew: not from repository then?
[06:16] <intelikey> brycew ummm what's it's format ?
[06:16] <brycew> drif: yes, downloaded it from adept manager
[06:17] <kubuntunewbie> is there a way to make it so that when i click on a URL konqueror opens it in a new tab as opposed to an entire new window?
[06:17] <intelikey> use apt-get
[06:17] <NickPresta> kubuntunewbie, middle click
[06:17] <sanzanric> aptana is my personal favorite
[06:17] <brycew> I tried installing these two: Sun Java6: sun-java6-bin, sun-java6-jr
[06:17] <drif> brycew: I was just wondering which page you read - something from ubotu?
[06:17] <brycew> yes
[06:17] <drif> ok
[06:17] <brycew> intelikey: what do you mean use apt-get?
[06:18] <intelikey> brycew   sudo apt-get install sun-java6-jre sun-java6-bin
[06:18] <intelikey> in a konsole
[06:18] <brycew> will try that
[06:18] <intelikey> that way if it fails maybe we can tell why
[06:18] <ahvargas> you can also use wajig instead of apt-get it is much simple
[06:18] <brycew> E: dpkg was interrupted, you must manually run 'dpkg --configure -a' to correct             the problem.
[06:19] <NickPresta> run it :)
[06:19] <drif> brycew: jsut execute it
[06:19] <intelikey> sudo dpkg --configure -a
[06:19] <drif> true
[06:19] <intelikey> then the get.
[06:19] <intelikey> sudo apt-get install sun-java6-jre sun-java6-bin
[06:19] <intelikey> the "divorce" ???
[06:20] <tazgodx> is there a .deb package of aptana? :)
[06:20] <intelikey> me wonders about me english
[06:20] <drif> intelikey: hm?
[06:20] <NickPresta> tazgodx, http://aptana.com/download_all.php#linux
[06:20] <NickPresta> unzip and run Aptana
[06:20] <intelikey> drif then the "get"   get == divorce
[06:20] <brycew> intelikey: thank you! that worked!
[06:20] <intelikey> brycew welcome.
[06:21] <ahvargas> you can install automatix2 then install aptana
[06:21] <intelikey> !automatix
[06:21] <ubotu> Automatix2 is a block of code which attempts to install some software.  When it fails and breaks systems, we don't provide support for it.  A creditable analysis from a debian/ubuntu developer is here - http://mjg59.livejournal.com/77440.html (Additional information: /msg ubotu worksforme)
[06:21] <drif> !automatix
[06:21] <intelikey> slow
[06:21] <intelikey> :)
[06:21] <drif> yeah :D
[06:21] <flaccid> dont install automatix or aptana - why would you?
[06:21] <brycew> intelikey: problems still - when I go to run a pogo.com game, its still saying I need to download java runtime.
[06:21] <flaccid> !automatix
[06:22] <intelikey> brycew you have it,  you may need to configure alternatives to use it though
[06:22] <drif> intelikey: in which language?
[06:22] <Dan[EQ] > hey guys, I'm wondering if someone could help me. I'm having issues with the internet on Kubuntu 7.04 as well as ubuntu 7.04
[06:22] <ahvargas> ok ok
[06:22] <tazgodx> flaccid: your saying not to get aptana?
[06:22] <NickPresta> !ask | Dan[EQ] 
[06:22] <ubotu> Dan[EQ] : Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[06:22] <brycew> intelikey: what do you mean by configuring alternatives?
[06:22] <intelikey> not sure of the syntax brycew check with others    sudo update-alternatives java
[06:22] <NickPresta> there isnt anything wrong with aptana
[06:23] <intelikey> brycew example only   ^
[06:23] <NickPresta> flaccid, what's wrong with aptana? =(
[06:23] <intelikey> drif hebrew
[06:23] <flaccid> whats right with it?
[06:23] <sanzanric> it's in java?
[06:23] <NickPresta> lol
[06:24] <flaccid> actually sorry, i thought aptana was something else
[06:24] <drif> brycew: 'sudo update-alternatives --config java'
[06:24] <flaccid> maybe it is ok
[06:24] <NickPresta> I've been using it for a little while. It seems very professional and it's an unzip and execute standalone so it's fairly harmless. Of course, YMMV
[06:24] <intelikey> i'm saying automatix is bad  though
[06:24] <NickPresta> automatix is indeed _bad_
[06:25] <kubuntunewbie> i am trying to create a folder and it is telling me that i do not have permission
[06:25] <flaccid> yeah aptana looks fine. i thought it was something else. automatix is a no no
[06:25] <intelikey> kubuntunewbie then you probably dont
[06:25] <flaccid> kubuntunewbie: where are you trying to create it?
[06:25] <intelikey> kubuntunewbie but root does
[06:25] <intelikey> !root | kubuntunewbie
[06:25] <ubotu> kubuntunewbie: do not try to guess the root password, that is impossible. Instead, realise the truth.. there is no root password. Then you will see that it is sudo that grants you access and not the root password. Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo
[06:25] <Dan[EQ] > I can ping websites fine but when I try accessing certain websites using Konqueror it times out. Also when running Adept Manager it doesn't download any of the headers. It looks like I can only access certain websites. Right now adept manager is trying to get a package saying "changelogs.ubuntu.com contacted. Waiting for reply..." I can ping the website fine. Getting response of 300ms
[06:25] <tazgodx> i installed automatix, but then decided to install it all manually anyways, but i have no problem with it :)
[06:26] <intelikey> 1worksforme | tazgodx
[06:26] <intelikey> !worksforme | tazgodx
[06:26] <ubotu> tazgodx: Common Sense: Just because you can, does not mean you should (and especially recommend to others). Think before you do. "Works for me" does not mean it is ok. The latest version of everything is not always useful if you aim for stability. Please see http://geekosophical.net/random/worksforme/
[06:26] <intelikey> !root > kubuntunewbie
[06:26] <ahvargas> ok i get the point
[06:26] <intelikey> !kdesu > kubuntunewbie
[06:26] <ahvargas> automatx sucks
[06:28] <intelikey> !virus > kubuntunewbie please read this page for info on why/how/where linux security is not like M$ insecurity...
[06:29] <ahvargas>  !virus
[06:29] <ubotu> A/V software is available, however read this to understand why Linux does not have a virus problem: http://librenix.com/?inode=21
[06:29] <ahvargas> ?
[06:29] <intelikey> yep read the link
[06:30] <intelikey> !ff > kubuntunewbie
[06:31] <drif> !aptfix | brycew
[06:31] <ubotu> brycew: If Adept crashed on you and your database is locked, try this in konsole:  sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a 
[06:31] <Dan[EQ] > Also my internal router (Netcomm voip running dhcp) is at 192.168.0.1 which when I put into my web browser I cannot access but I can ping. My wireless router (dhcp off) is at 192.168.0.99 and is a linksys. I can access that fine.
[06:32] <drif> intelikey: > sends to private?
[06:32] <intelikey> drif yep
[06:32] <drif> good to know
[06:32] <intelikey> !ubotu > drif
[06:32] <intelikey> :)
[06:33] <ahvargas> which is the file that tells kdm how to startx?
[06:33] <intelikey> ahvargas something in /etc/kde3/kdm/
[06:34] <intelikey> iirc
[06:34] <intelikey> or should i start saying  /etc/kde?/kdm/   nowadays
[06:34] <ahvargas> intelikey: you know how it works?
[06:35] <ahvargas> intelikey: i will like to pass some arguments to my x server before start
[06:35] <intelikey> ahvargas yeah pretty much.  enough to know i don't like it.   i only use xdm or gdm
[06:35] <drif> !pasteit > brycew
[06:36] <intelikey> ahvargas sell there should be a file in that dir for pre-start
[06:36] <ahvargas> intelikey: why? xdm can laod my kde ?
[06:37] <intelikey> ahvargas yes, it can.  gdm can and with more features.   ?dm are only graphic login windows really.
[06:38] <intelikey> they just log you into a desktop session   the DE takes over from there
[06:38] <intelikey> more or less
[06:38] <ahvargas> intellikey:ok , thanks i will give it a try
[06:38] <intelikey> ahvargas before you do.
[06:39] <ahvargas> intellikey: any reference or how it is called? in /etc/init.d/xdm
[06:39] <ahvargas> intellikey: i want to make a personal script for loding the x server
[06:39] <intelikey> ahvargas kcontrol has a section on settings in the login manager (kdm)   do look there for an easy gui way to accomplish your desired end
[06:40] <verrlara> How does one boot from a live cd? Do you have to hold down a button like you do on a Mac?
[06:40] <ahvargas> intellikey: but i dont care for an easy gui , i want to take the contro of it
[06:40] <ahvargas> intellikey: dont act like everyone except you is a fool
[06:40] <intelikey> ahvargas also for what you are talking about  you might want to look in /etc/X11/xserver
[06:41] <ahvargas> intellikey: ok tahnks a lot
[06:41] <intelikey> :)
[06:41] <intelikey> verrlara that is entirely bios specific
[06:43] <intelikey> some bios's (bioi ?) can be set to not boot a cd at all or simply boot it if it's there and if not move to the next boot device...
[06:43] <intelikey> some/most
[06:43] <raylu> where can i find usplash themes?
[06:43] <cvstrat> could anyone point me to a compiz fusion install tutorial for kde? cant seem to find one that doesn't have gnome specific steps
[06:43] <intelikey> !compiz
[06:43] <ubotu> Compiz (compositing window manager) and XGL (X server architecture layered on top of OpenGL) - Howto at http://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager - Help in #ubuntu-effects
[06:43] <raylu> !usplash
[06:43] <ubotu> To select the usplash artwork you want, use "sudo update-alternatives --config usplash-artwork.so && sudo update-initramfs -u" - See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/USplashCustomizationHowto for adding your custom artwork
[06:44] <raylu> =\ duh
[06:44] <intelikey> raylu you know,  i've not seen that question befor   or if i have i forgot
[06:44] <intelikey> have you googled 'usplash themes'
[06:45] <intelikey> shot in the dark
[06:47] <kubuntunewbie> is there a good chess program for linux?
[06:48] <fignew> depends, do you wanna play against the computer, or against people (over the internet)
[06:48] <flaccid> !kchess
[06:48] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about kchess - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:48] <flaccid> whats it called
[06:49] <flaccid> there is xboard
[06:49] <flaccid> !info xboard
[06:49] <ubotu> xboard: An X Window System Chess Board. In component universe, is optional. Version 4.2.7-7ubuntu1 (feisty), package size 505 kB, installed size 2792 kB
[06:49] <fignew> !info gnuchess
[06:49] <ubotu> gnuchess: Plays a game of chess, either against the user or against itself. In component universe, is optional. Version 5.07-4 (feisty), package size 88 kB, installed size 272 kB
[06:49] <flaccid> !info kchess
[06:49] <ubotu> Package kchess does not exist in feisty, feisty-seveas
[06:49] <flaccid> there is an implementation of gnuchess for k
[06:49] <fignew> !info knights
[06:49] <flaccid> thats it
[06:50] <intelikey> ok i'll modprobe every driver in /lib/mod*/*/*/net/*   if one of them works "tov"      brute force the device,  but i'm not a hacker.
[06:50] <fignew> fine ubotu! ignore me!
[06:50] <ubotu> knights: A chess interface for the K Desktop Environment. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.6-7.1ubuntu2 (feisty), package size 785 kB, installed size 1764 kB
[06:50] <fignew> hah
[06:50] <fignew> I would try it... if I didn't suck at chess
[06:50] <intelikey> xboard
[06:52] <intelikey> applying force  if i ping out you'll know where i went
[06:54] <intelikey> just did >>>  for Q in `modprobe -l | grep /net/` ;do modprobe `basename $Q` ;done   <<< nothing new in dmesg and no change on eth1's non-existance    bah.
[06:55] <raylu> what does /etc/network/interfaces have?
[06:55] <intelikey> hardly matters until the device is recognized
[06:55] <cvstrat> i'm not sure what i did, i follow the compiz install step by step, and when i replace the screen flicks but nothing is changed
[06:56] <raylu> Well, eth1 isn't really a device
[06:56] <intelikey> yes it is
[06:56] <raylu> i thought it was just the logical name of a device
[06:56] <raylu> cvstrat, run compiz in a terminal to catch the output?
[06:56] <intelikey> i have an onboard eth0 and a pci eth1
[06:57] <raylu> o.0, so where do i get usplash themes?
[06:57] <intelikey> but the card is not working in this box.     works fine in the box beside me,  same system same driver
[06:57] <cvstrat> raylu: well the install steps seem awefully simple, i don't get any errors at all
[06:57] <drif> raylu: do not look repository for those - seem rather lame ;)
[06:58] <raylu> cvstrat, not the install steps...actually running compiz
[06:58] <raylu> drif ...ok?
[06:58] <intelikey> raylu i already sujested google        https://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=187765
[06:58] <intelikey> and that's the first thing google shows
[06:58] <drif> raylu: because there are few ones
[06:59] <cvstrat> raylu: /usr/bin/compiz: line 777: 13269 Segmentation fault      $*
[06:59] <raylu> intelikey, i left for a second :P i swear i didn't see that
[06:59] <raylu> drif, what i meant to say was "that wasn't helpful"
[07:00] <intelikey> raylu oh  well ok.  i'll stop talking through my hat then
[07:00] <intelikey> :)
[07:01] <intelikey> i do want to repost it though.
 raylu you know,  i've not seen that question befor   or if i have i forgot
 have you googled 'usplash themes'
[07:01] <intelikey> just for the sake of...    hmmm  never mind.
[07:02] <intelikey> ok i'm rebooting and turning the onboard off to see if that's the problem.
[07:04] <arun> if i install a guest OS on vmware, will the OS be installed in my /home partition or in my / partition?
[07:06] <drif> arun: you can pick the location yourself - my bet atleast
[07:07] <arun> drif: alright, thanks
[07:15] <intelikey> ok i'm flustered
[07:16] <drif> intelikey: what's the case?
[07:16] <intelikey> just doesn't work in this box.
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[07:16] <drif> intelikey: had to boot twice then?
[07:17] <intelikey> yeah   boot   test  test test    boot back online
[07:17] <drif> yup
[07:17] <drif> tried different pci slot?
[07:17] <intelikey> only have two...
[07:18] <drif> well, the other one then :D
[07:18] <intelikey> heh and i unpluged it and redid
[07:18] <drif> or just one free?
[07:18] <intelikey> just one free
[07:18] <intelikey> you know,  you may be onto something.
[07:19] <intelikey> sound doesn't work right on this thing either,   works but so quiet you can't hear it
[07:19] <underdog5004> I put in a wireless card in my uncles computer, but the computer wouldn't boot when it was in. When I switched the slot, it worked nicely
[07:19] <intelikey> possable that the slot and the onboard sound are both dammaged.
[07:19] <underdog5004> or your sound card isn't properly supported...
[07:20] <intelikey> if it were only that simple.
[07:20] <intelikey> ac97   :)
[07:21] <drif> intelikey: how many pci devices you have attached then?
[07:21] <drif> and how many slots on mb
[07:21] <intelikey> two
[07:21] <drif> both occupied atm?
[07:22] <intelikey> no i pulled the eth card
[07:22] <drif> and to which question you just answered to :D slots or devices
[07:23] <drif> apparently latter one
[07:23] <intelikey> oh you did ask two things   heh  sorry i'm putting the card back in the other box,,,   one devicd two slots
[07:24] <drif> intelikey: ok, did you go through both slots then? that was left unclear to me
[07:25] <intelikey> did i unplug my scsi card ?  no   but that's a must have.   so i'm not much interested in messing with it.
[07:25] <drif> well not messing, just swapping slots
[07:26] <intelikey> yeah i know.   i may test the scsi card in the other slot next time i'm in that box,    but not right now.
[07:26] <drif> for some reason ethernet/soundcards have trouble working in certain slots
[07:27] <drif> for some reason ethernet/soundcards have trouble working in certain slots
[07:28] <drif> intelikey: as root on irc?
[07:28] <intelikey> no never
[07:28] <drif> n=root@?
[07:28] <intelikey> yeah
[07:28] <intelikey> and
[07:30] <intelikey> i had hoped to get this box setup as a intermediate gateway    but that looks like it will have to wait for next weekend
[07:31] <drif> busy week?
[07:31] <intelikey> well maybe maybe not   but not much time at this locale
[07:32] <drif> ok
[07:32] <drif> now some sleep - finally
[07:32] <drif> laters
[07:32] <intelikey> shalom
[07:32] <drif> shalom
[07:35] <Dan[EQ] > My default gateway is constantly being rewritten as 0.0.0.0 using knetworkmanager. After I modify it manually and save it I will reload the manager and it will have 0.0.0.0 in the field. Someone help?
[07:37] <intelikey> Dan[EQ]  i wish i could.  i'm pretty green on networking stuff    you could set the ip in /etc/network/interfaces   i think
[07:37] <intelikey> errr that's not what you want
[07:39] <Dan[EQ] > Might just revert to Kubuntu 6.06.1
[07:45] <Ralesk> Dan[EQ] : does the same to me too... thankfully I don't need to meddle with it regularly
[07:46] <Dan[EQ] > unfortunately it's totally stuffing me up
[07:47] <Dan[EQ] > Not able to use apt-get at all... can't find the websites to download information however I can ping it totally fine.
[07:47] <intelikey> Dan[EQ]      you could set the ip in /etc/network/interfaces   >^ i do believe i remember setting a gateway there
[07:48] <intelikey> dnsmasq  ?
[07:48] <intelikey> Dan[EQ]  you using dnsmasq  ?
[07:53] <intelikey> http://ubuntu.pastebin.us/39209 example
[07:54] <flaccid> Dan[EQ] : pastebin /etc/network/interfaces
[07:54] <flaccid> you can also remove networkmanager, but ubuntu doesn't seem to like that on boot
[07:54] <Dan[EQ] > will check it out
[07:54] <Dan[EQ] > Thanks!
[07:54] <Dan[EQ] > And intelikey I don't use dnsmasq... I don't know what that is =P
[07:55] <Dan[EQ] > I shouldn't have to modify my interfaces cause I'm using dhcp I though...
[07:57] <Dan[EQ] > I have a feeling it's my netcomm router not playing nice with linux
[08:01] <intelikey> true: bah: command not found    <<<  hehhe actual error.   my shell is "true"  :)
[08:05] <NickPresta> intelikey, I like `make love Make: Dont know how to make love. Stop.`
[08:06] <flaccid> Dan[EQ] : then your dhcp server could be failing
[08:06] <flaccid> run dhclient manually
[08:06] <flaccid> eg. sudo dhclient eth0
[08:07] <intelikey> nickpresta: hehhe  yeah.      my /etc/passwd file   http://ubuntu.pastebin.us/39210
[08:07] <NickPresta> intelikey, http://www.molgen.mpg.de/~wwwutz/Unix_Haters/old/unix-commands.html those are pretty good
[08:09] <intelikey> post me that tomarrow i'll thumb through it.  :)
[08:09] <intelikey> right now i'm gonna turn in earily    "i think that's the right phrase..."
[08:09] <NickPresta> heh. okay. Goodnight
[08:10] <intelikey> goodday and shalom
[08:10] <kubuntunewbie> I have a netgear SC101 NAS-type drive
[08:10] <kubuntunewbie> does anyone know if it will work with linux?
[08:11] <kubuntunewbie> and if so how
[08:16] <jussi01> does anyone know where on kmail I can set the browser that links open in? also where can I set it to have a tray icon?
[08:17] <Jucato> jussi01: system tray: Settings -> Configure KMail -> Appearance -> System Tray tab
[08:17] <NickPresta> jussi01, as for which browser, I think that is controlled by alternatives...
[08:18] <Jucato> or rather by KDE Components -> Default Applications
[08:18] <jussi01> oh, so how do I set that for ff instead of konq??
[08:18] <jussi01> Jucato: kde components?
[08:18] <Jucato> for KDE apps, K Menu -> System Settings -> Default Applications
[08:19] <Jucato> sorry that was the name of the group in KControl
[08:19] <Jucato> for non-KDE apps and generally the whole system: sudo update-alternatives --config x-www-browser
[08:19] <NickPresta> This is how I did it: `sudo update-alternatives --set x-www-browser /usr/bin/firefox`
[08:19] <kubuntunewbie> could someone please tell me how i can search the applications thingey
[08:19] <jussi01> hehe, thanks. whats the command for firefox? just "firefox"?
[08:20] <Jucato> I think so
[08:20] <NickPresta> kubuntunewbie, `man apt-cache`. Look for 'search'
[08:20] <Jucato> maybe "firefox %u"
[08:20] <jussi01> Jucato: thanks a million :)
[08:20] <Jucato> jussi01: NickPresta too :)
[08:21] <jussi01> yes, thanks NickPresta also :)
[08:23] <kubuntunewbie> could someone please tell me how i can search applications or browse them maybe?
[08:24] <NickPresta> kubuntunewbie, `man apt-cache`. Look for 'search'
[08:24] <NickPresta> kubuntunewbie, or open up Adept and use the search bar...
[08:25] <Jucato> kubuntunewbie: search for other applications? K Menu -> Add/Remove Programs or K Menu -> System -> Adept Manager
[08:27] <ubunturos> firefox is consuming (2.0.
[08:27] <ubunturos> too much memory (I have 256 MB of RAM)
[08:27] <ubunturos> is that common? or is it just me?
[08:28] <Jucato> it's firefox :)
[08:28] <ubunturos> (2.0.0.6)
[08:28] <Jucato> it's normal for firefox last I checked
[08:28] <ubunturos> :(
[08:29] <ubunturos> and now firefox "hangs" in between virtual desktops (workspaces)
[08:29] <ubunturos> in switching*
[08:31] <NickPresta> ubunturos, that isn't normal. It certainly doesn't happen to me
[08:32] <ubunturos> NickPresta: do you have any Add-ons installed?
[08:32] <Jucato> NickPresta: for a 256MB RAM machine, firefox does take up a lot of memory
[08:32] <Jucato> dunno if it has changed for the better recently
[08:32] <NickPresta> Jucato, no doubt. Especially with something like Beryl...
[08:33] <NickPresta> ubunturos, according to my script, I have 33 extensions installed
[08:33] <Jucato> he isn't running it
[08:33] <ubunturos> installed*
[08:33] <NickPresta> I also have 6 tabs open
[08:33] <Jucato> NickPresta: how much RAM?
[08:33] <ubunturos> once I start firefox, it consumes a lot of memory (around 40 MB) - irrespective of the number of tabs
[08:34] <Jucato> although I don't know why it would hang when switching desktops
[08:34] <NickPresta> Jucato, I know how to find the memory usage as a percent. What is the best way to find out it's numerical value (aside from doing TOTAL RAM / %)?
[08:34] <Jucato> NickPresta: um..no. I'm asking how much RAM you have
[08:34] <NickPresta> Jucato, oh. 2GB =)
[08:35] <Jucato> wow! you're comparing it to someone w/ 256MB :)
[08:35] <NickPresta> of course, I used a machine with 256 for several years and I still didn't notice a huge problem with Firefox
[08:35] <Jucato> with KDE?
[08:35] <NickPresta> yeah
[08:35] <Jucato> hm..
[08:35] <NickPresta> Kubuntu, infact
[08:36] <Jucato> (wow!)
[08:36] <NickPresta> how would one find the memory usage of an application? ubunturos, how do you know Firefox is using ~40MB?
[08:36] <Jucato> but still, he isn't running beryl though...
[08:36] <Jucato> memory usage reporting is a bit inaccurate actually
[08:36] <raylu> ?
[08:37] <Jucato> !ram
[08:37] <ubotu> A quick FAQ on Memory Management: http://gentoo-wiki.com/FAQ_Linux_Memory_Management For Lubos Lunak's desktop memory usage comparison, see: http://ktown.kde.org/~seli/memory/desktop_benchmark.html
[08:37] <ubunturos> NickPresta: After I log in I issue a free -m at the console
[08:37] <NickPresta> well, there are caches, buffers, etc, etc. Assuming we both use the same methods, it should be fine.
[08:37] <ubunturos> note the values and then, start firefox
[08:37] <NickPresta> ubunturos, but those aren't directly from Firefox, IIRC. There are shared libraries, etc, that affect this, aren't there?
[08:37] <ubunturos> NickPresta: I"m not sure .. may be ..
[08:40] <kubuntunewbie> okay, im new to this, can someone please help me out
[08:40] <kubuntunewbie> what i did was
[08:40] <kubuntunewbie> sudo apt-get install 3dchess
[08:40] <kubuntunewbie> and it appeared to have worked
[08:40] <kubuntunewbie> but where did it go and how do i use it?
[08:41] <raylu> alt+f2, 3dchess
[08:41] <raylu> should start you off
[08:42] <kubuntunewbie> could not run the specified command.
[08:42] <yeniklasorr> With which option must I burn a cd with K3b for creating a VCD compatible mp3 cd ?
[08:42] <flaccid> !info 3dchess
[08:42] <ubotu> 3dchess: 3D chess for X11. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.8.1-12 (feisty), package size 31 kB, installed size 132 kB
[08:42] <Jucato> I think it installed to either /usr/games or /usr/bin/games
[08:43] <flaccid> kubuntunewbie: you can check the bin file in apt:/show?3dchess in konqi
[08:43] <kubuntunewbie> and what does that mean? is there a way to create a shortcut for it?
[08:43] <Jucato> kubuntunewbie: try Alt+F2, 3Dc
[08:43] <ubunturos> kubuntunewbie: add it to the panel ;)
[08:43] <Jucato> the executable filename is 3Dc
[08:44] <flaccid> 3Dc
[08:44] <Jucato> to add it to the K Menu, just right-click on the K Menu icon and select Menu editor
[08:44] <kubuntunewbie> OH great! ty so much
[08:44] <kubuntunewbie> there is nothing 3d at all about this chess by the way!
[08:45] <flaccid> 3 as in 3 boards
[08:45] <yeniklasorr> With which option must I burn a cd with K3b for creating a VCD compatible mp3 cd ? :(
[08:45] <ubunturos> flaccid: that was interesting to see in Konqueror - I didn't know that
[08:45] <kubuntunewbie> oh this program is crap, how do i uninstall things?
[08:46] <Jucato> kubuntunewbie: how did you install it? if using apt-get, "sudo apt-get remove 3dchess"
[08:46] <Jucato> if Adept Manger, just right click on it
[08:46] <flaccid> adept > kubuntunewbie
[08:46] <brycew> If I want to login to root, I type su plus my password right?
[08:46] <Jucato> flaccid: you missed the ! :)
[08:46] <Jucato> !root > brycew
[08:47] <flaccid> ah true
[08:47] <flaccid> !adept
[08:47] <ubotu> adept is the Kubuntu package manager. Howto: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AdeptHowto
[08:47] <NickPresta> !info exmap
[08:47] <ubotu> exmap: determine how much physical memory and swap is used by individual processes. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.10-1 (feisty), package size 142 kB, installed size 512 kB
[08:47] <Jucato> yeniklasorr: you mean burn mp3's as an Audio CD?
[08:47] <flaccid> kubuntunewbie: read the howto thenyou don't have to ask us!
[08:47] <brycew> thanks Jucato
[08:47] <flaccid> !adept > ubotu
[08:48] <flaccid> !adept > kubuntunewbie
[08:48] <kubuntunewbie> why is it sometimes that when i get PMs they pop up a new window in konversation but other times they just stay in the main chat?
[08:49] <yeniklasorr> Jucato : mp3's as mp3 cd, but when writing on data cd mode, my mp3 player can't play it
[08:49] <ubunturos> kubuntunewbie: a PM's purpose is that they open a "Private" Message
[08:49] <flaccid> becuase one is a notice or message, the other is a real PM
[08:49] <runlevelten> the one is a pm, the other is just a message with your name in kubuntunewbie
[08:49] <Jucato> yeniklasorr: hm... not really sure. there shouldn't be a problem...
[08:50] <kubuntunewbie> oh okay, i had no idea, so how do i simply reply to someone without sending them a PM
[08:50] <yeniklasorr> Jucato : could be about multisession ?
[08:50] <Jucato> don't really know. sorry
[08:50] <yeniklasorr> ok
[08:50] <brycew> !aptfix brycew
[08:50] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about aptfix brycew - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[08:50] <runlevelten> kubuntunewbie: just type your message. Include their nickname if you want it to highlight like this message
[08:50] <brycew> darn
[08:51] <brycew> !aptfix
[08:51] <ubotu> If Adept crashed on you and your database is locked, try this in konsole:  sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a 
[08:51] <runlevelten> kubuntunewbie: If you press tab after the first few letters of a nickname, you get auto-complete
[08:51] <kubuntunewbie> runlevelten: ahhhh
[08:51] <kubuntunewbie> did that come up red on your screen?
[08:51] <runlevelten> Then that appears highlighted to me, you see?
[08:51] <runlevelten> Yes. :)
[08:51] <kubuntunewbie> ahh great, ty
[08:51] <runlevelten> np at all.
[08:52] <kubuntunewbie> i was PMing people and not even knowing what i was doing
[08:52] <kubuntunewbie> haha, im a moron, that must have been annoying, sorry all to whom i did that to
[08:54] <NickPresta> using exmap, my Firefox is using 262MB of virtual memory and it's sole use is ~115MB of memory (when you remove shared libraries and such)
[08:54] <Jucato> NickPresta: oh how small :)
[08:54] <Jucato> translate that to 256MB RAM?
[08:55] <combo> impossible?! yesterday i screw something with xorg, so i reinstall system (formatted only '/' partion - home was no-formatted) - and now - as i can see - Direct Renedering: YES; can someone explain WTF is going on with those ATI drivers?!
[08:55] <NickPresta> Heh. I'm sure if I removed all my extensions and such, it would be smaller, but yeah, Firefox is generally a heavier option. No one ever said it wasn't ;)
[08:55] <raylu> combo, they're proprietary, so no :P
[08:56] <raylu> NickPresta, mozilla claims it's a "lightweight browser" :P
[08:56] <combo> but 3d does't work? :S
[08:56] <raylu> m...no idea; g'night
[08:57] <runlevelten> firefox lightweight? Pfft. Seamonkey is lighter now.
[08:57] <runlevelten> So yeah, that was the plan initially.
[08:57] <runlevelten> combo what's impossible?
[08:58] <combo> runlevelten: it shows me that i have Direct Rendering YES just after format of '/' partition :|
[08:58] <ubunturos> :-?
[08:58] <combo> but 3d doesn't work
[08:58] <combo> ( ATI Radeon 9600)
[08:58] <combo> i didn't formatted /home partition so maybe somehow it caused that strange thing ? :/
[08:59] <combo> runlevelten: do ya know maybe where is some good how-to install ATI drivers under kub-7.04 ? :}
[08:59] <runlevelten> !ati
[08:59] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[08:59] <combo> runlevelten: danke :D
[09:00] <runlevelten> combo: Do you mean after a fresh install? What driver are you running?
[09:00] <Ralesk> combo: hah, a fellow 9600 user
[09:00] <Ralesk> I saw the same, but the moment I started Xgl instead, I got Mesa and no direct rendering
[09:00] <NickPresta> ubunturos, you might just want to use Konqueror. According to exmap, I'm using a mere 16MB for Konqueror alone...
[09:00] <Ralesk> so bleh :)
[09:00] <runlevelten> combo:  grep Driver /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[09:00] <combo> what mean what driver? idunno... ahev tried every... fglxr, XGL, AIGLX
[09:01] <Ralesk> fglrx doesn't even work for me
[09:01] <combo> i have no knowledge 'bout that.. .just want to work it :)
[09:01] <runlevelten> fglrx is not some kind of alternative to xgl.
[09:01] <ubunturos> NickPresta: I do use Konqueror, but there are a few emails (I access web based email) that hang "konqueror" as well
[09:01] <Ralesk> I get a black screen (not turned off, just black)
[09:01] <runlevelten> And why you'd go near aiglx with an old radeon is beyond me.
[09:01] <sparr> is there a kubuntu-on-tablet-pc howto?
[09:01] <ubunturos> NickPresta: may be they are random HTML emails :( :0/
[09:01] <NickPresta> ubunturos, oh. That sucks =(
[09:01] <combo> there is written driver: kbd, wacom, mouse, wacom, wacom, wacom and ATI
[09:01] <combo> that's all
[09:01] <combo> is this matter ? :}
[09:02] <Ralesk> runlevelten: 9600 isn't /that/ old :3
[09:02] <combo> i just want to make my accelerate working! :|
[09:02] <combo> Ralesk: one month ago i had BERYL on it ;P
[09:02] <runlevelten> combo: then you want fglrx.
[09:02] <combo> so i think it works very well :)
[09:02] <ubunturos> NickPresta: I have got used to Alt+O and Alt+D, so using two browsers isn't really difficult ;)
[09:02] <runlevelten> Ralesk: I didn't say it was that old. I said it was old. :)
[09:02] <combo> runlevelten: 'fglrx'... let me ask u something... where was it....
[09:02] <combo> wait a sec..
[09:03] <runlevelten> combo: You won't get such great easy beryl with fglrx on that card, but if you want games and stuff.
[09:03] <combo> i don't care beryl anymore
[09:03] <combo> BERYL sux
[09:03] <runlevelten> You'll need it.
[09:03] <combo> it's borring any way
[09:04] <combo> i just want make my screensaver work well :)
[09:04] <Ralesk> last time I installed that crap, it clobbered my opengl .so which in turn made all the GL screensavers crash X :))  really good driver, thanks Ati, Inc :)))
[09:04] <runlevelten> combo: then install the non-free fglrx drivers :(
[09:04] <Ralesk> or get a 9200 :D  lol
[09:04] <runlevelten> !ati
[09:04] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[09:05] <combo> runlevelten: is this non-free fglrx driver: ati-driver-installer-8.40.4-x86.x86_64.run
[09:05] <runlevelten> combo: read the howto.
[09:05] <combo> or definately from this guide u gave me ?
[09:05] <combo> runlevelten: ok
[09:05] <sparr> i have turned on settings>desktop>behavior>fileicons>showpreviewsfor>images and i still have no thumbnails in konqueror.  help?
[09:06] <runlevelten> combo: I've seen you referring to xgl and fglrx as if they do anything like the same thing. Stop trying to run before you can walk, have a nice cuppa, and follow the howto ;)
[09:06] <runlevelten> that's my advice anyway :D
[09:07] <runlevelten> sparr: switched on previews in konqueror's view  preview and puyt it on icon view?
[09:08] <combo> runlevelten: one more question: is this good for *Kubuntu?
[09:08] <combo> restricted-manager
[09:08] <sparr> problem was the kde file size limit for preview generation, thanks
[09:08] <runlevelten> combo: yep.
[09:08] <combo> cuz it would install synaptic for gnome, right ? :}
[09:08] <Jucato> oh hi sparr :)
[09:08] <combo> runlevelten: but as u advise :)
[09:08] <combo> going work - sija!
[09:09] <runlevelten> combo: None of this will hurt. Package management GUIs are a single-instance app and you won't be running 3D games whilst using them.
[09:09] <runlevelten> It doesn't hurt to use synaptic imo.
[09:09] <runlevelten> which you won't be anyway :)
[09:09] <runlevelten> heh
[09:09] <kraut> moin
[09:10] <Jucato> binary package managers are single instance apps... the only package managers I know of that aren't single instance would be source-based (Gentoo)
[09:13] <runlevelten> I'm not aware of a GUI front end for emerge in kubuntu.
[09:15] <jussi01> is it possible to connect a nokia 9300i to linux? if so, which software do I need?
[09:16] <runlevelten> jussi01: I don't know about the 9300i so much, and it depends what you mean by "connect" - access the files? sync the calendar? bluetooth? usb cable? etc. :)
[09:16] <runlevelten> By bluetooth, probably yes. Through USB mass storage if the phone provides it, probably yes.
[09:17] <runlevelten> For wired  management directly, there are programs called kandy and gnokii which I've never ever seen work, but you can do most stuff without them anyway.
[09:19] <NickPresta> !info sdl
[09:19] <ubotu> Package sdl does not exist in feisty, feisty-seveas
[09:20] <flaccid> !find sdl
[09:20] <ubotu> Found: libsdl-image1.2, libsdl-image1.2-dev, libsdl-mixer1.2, libsdl-mixer1.2-dev, libsdl-ttf2.0-0 (and 54 others)
[09:20] <flaccid> i think you install libsdl-mixer.12 and the rest dep
[09:20] <flaccid> or just install all the non dev libsdl pkgs
[09:20] <NickPresta> I want to compile my app. written in C++. It uses SDL. I installed all the -dev packages
[09:20] <se7en^Of^9> need help with KubuntuRestrictedManager what package do i have to install
[09:21] <flaccid> NickPresta: install build-essential to compile
[09:22] <flaccid> its a wip iirc
[09:22] <flaccid> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/kubuntu-restricted-manager
[09:22] <flaccid> its not made yet
[09:22] <NickPresta> Ive had build-essential on this machine forever
[09:23] <NickPresta> ive compiled tons of other stuff
[09:23] <NickPresta> 'm just having a problem with SDL in particular
[09:23] <se7en^Of^9> flaccid: yes i read that i just don't know how to install
[09:23] <holycow> hi guys
[09:23] <NickPresta> !hi | holycow
[09:23] <ubotu> holycow: Hi! Welcome to #kubuntu!
[09:23] <jussi01> so anyone know the answer to my question? or did it not get through
[09:23] <flaccid> se7en^Of^9: [17:22]  <flaccid> its not made yet
[09:24] <se7en^Of^9> it runs on my desktop
[09:24] <holycow> i'm trying to add a new profile to kiosk profile manager but it requires a root pass.  i refuse to create a root account as it should be sudo aware.  does anyone know how to run it properly? maybe i should start it up with kdesu?
[09:24] <holycow> hello NickPresta
[09:24] <se7en^Of^9> guty tribe 5
[09:24] <flaccid> jussi01: someone will answer if they can help
[09:24] <jussi01> flaccid: I know, but I wanted to check it was seen as I disconnected straigh after
[09:25] <flaccid> ok
[09:25] <flaccid> did you look on the wiki?
[09:25] <flaccid> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsMobilePhonesNokia
[09:25] <se7en^Of^9> flaccid: my desktop has under system settings>>advanced>>resticted drivers ... my notebook doesn't ... what package would i have to install ???
[09:26] <NickPresta> wow
[09:26] <flaccid> se7en^Of^9: i'll say it again. they have not made krestrictedmanager yet!!!
[09:26] <NickPresta> now it works just like before
[09:26] <NickPresta> incredibly strange.
[09:26] <NickPresta> although it may be my fault as it is quite late
[09:27] <sx66> how do you get opera installed?
[09:27] <holycow> what is the kde menu manager again? or where is the shorcut to it?
[09:27] <flaccid> se7en^Of^9: you can install restricted-manager however
[09:27] <flaccid> sx66: install the package 'opera'
[09:27] <flaccid> holycow: right click k button | menu editor
[09:27] <sx66> flaccid: I did, now what?
[09:28] <holycow> oh!
[09:28] <holycow> haha danke
[09:28] <flaccid> sx66: run the program 'opera'
[09:28] <flaccid> it should put a menu item in there too
[09:28] <se7en^Of^9> ok i will try flaccid i didn't try that because it will install synaptic package manager as well ...
[09:28] <sx66> flaccid: I went to opera.com, downloaded the ubuntu package, and when I click the icon I can not find it
[09:29] <flaccid> sx66: thats wrong
[09:29] <flaccid> !opera
[09:29] <ubotu> opera is an advanced and free (only as in price) web browser.  Install it via Applications->Add/Remove..., making sure that "Show commercial applications" (dapper only) is checked. For more info on opera please see: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/OperaBrowser
[09:29] <flaccid> sx66: you don't install from the website. its in the repos
[09:29] <sx66> k
[09:30] <holycow> sigh
[09:30] <flaccid> only install from the site if you want latest version. then you have d/l the .deb and install manually using dpg -i pkg.deb
[09:30] <holycow> and yet again a kde app outperforms the gnome equivalent
[09:30] <holycow> i know the dude that coded up the gnome menu editor, great guy but its slooooow
[09:30] <holycow> this is wicked
[09:31] <flaccid> yeah but it seems to be missing a search (unless im blind)
[09:32] <paritosh1010> whats the classpath and java_home for sun-java6-jdk installation
[09:32] <flaccid> they are environment variables
[09:33] <paritosh1010> its /usr/lib/jvm/sun-java-1.6.0.00 right?
[09:33] <paritosh1010> no i mean..what are the values
[09:33] <flaccid> oh
[09:33] <flaccid> no idea sorry
[09:33] <runlevelten> "Write once..."
[09:34] <holycow> kiosktool is pretty cool
[09:34] <paritosh1010> runlevelten: ?
[09:34] <holycow> what draws the desktop in kde?
[09:35] <runlevelten> kdesktop
[09:35] <holycow> danke
[09:35] <runlevelten> bitte.
[09:35] <flaccid> ich bin macgyver
[09:36] <se7en^Of^9> hilfe kraut control
[09:36] <kraut> se7en^Of^9: bitte?
[09:36] <paritosh1010> what are the values of CLASSPATH AND JAVA_HOME set in kubuntu feisty for java6 packages?? anybody?
[09:36] <se7en^Of^9> :)
[09:37] <sx66> flaccid: I am still lost on that link you have pushed, how do I install opera?
[09:38] <flaccid> sx66: do you know how to install a package
[09:38] <sx66> flaccid: no
[09:38] <flaccid> !adept
[09:38] <ubotu> adept is the Kubuntu package manager. Howto: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AdeptHowto
[09:38] <sx66> okay
[09:38] <flaccid> have a read of that, then simply install the opera package with adept
[09:38] <flaccid> !info opera
[09:38] <ubotu> Package opera does not exist in feisty, feisty-seveas
[09:38] <holycow> adept needs a bit of work in comparison to synaptic but alas there is no point, synaptic works fine in kde
[09:39] <flaccid> you probably will need to manage repos in adept and enable canonical commercial
[09:39] <runlevelten> Lots of people are giving adept a chance to get it up to scratch, but yes I agree, synaptic is completely fine.
[09:39] <runlevelten> should probably be default, to be honest.
[09:39] <holycow> i agree
[09:40] <flaccid> isn't synaptic gtk
[09:40] <runlevelten> Yes.
[09:40] <flaccid> can't be default..
[09:40] <holycow> and i am totally starting to hate bloody firefox
[09:40] <holycow> slow as ass no matter what you do in comparison to konq
[09:40] <runlevelten> Why not, exactly?
[09:40] <holycow> well i'm not being totally fair
[09:41] <holycow> the flash plugin takes it down a lot
[09:41] <runlevelten> I see firefox installed. Dumb superstition against using a particularly library is not for KDE users.
[09:41] <combo_> - where can i download 'libfaad2-0' from ??
[09:41] <holycow> thats really adobes fault
[09:41] <flaccid> runlevelten: it needs to be a qt app because we are kde, not gnome
[09:41] <holycow> but it still is just slow
[09:41] <combo_> runlevelten: dude - u're briliant! it works as hell :D:D THX a looooooot ;)
[09:41] <runlevelten> A qt app like firefox?
[09:41] <flaccid> firefox is gtk
[09:41] <combo_> runlevelten:  i mean ATI drivers ;P
[09:41] <holycow> ff isn't gtk, it has its own toolkit
[09:41] <runlevelten> no combo_: really glad to hear it.
[09:41] <holycow> its just binds to gtk bits
[09:42] <flaccid> which is based on gtk...
[09:42] <runlevelten> flaccid: then it must be expunged from the KDE desktop surely, because Gtk is "unlucky".
[09:42] <flaccid> its simply an extension
[09:42] <flaccid> runlevelten: its simple. kde uses qt, not gtk.
[09:42] <sx66> I can not find opera in the resp.
[09:42] <holycow> i'm interested to see whats going to happen with the "re-merging" of webkit stuff
[09:42] <runlevelten> Not really, if nearly every user is going to have gtk anyway.
[09:43] <flaccid> sx66: enable the commercial repos in adept first then update the package list
[09:43] <holycow> i'm not crazy about apple at all but maybe there are performance benefits we are going to see
[09:43] <runlevelten> Have your own opinion though. Somebody's got to fall prey to NIH I suppose.
[09:43] <flaccid> holycow: from what i heard webkit are denying khtml patches
[09:43] <holycow> flaccid: really?
[09:43] <holycow> doesn't surprise me
[09:43] <flaccid> runlevelten: NIH?
[09:43] <combo_> where can i get 'libfaad2-0' ? :}
[09:43] <flaccid> !find libfaad
[09:43] <ubotu> Found: libfaad2-0, libfaad2-dev
[09:43] <flaccid> !info libfaad2-0
[09:43] <ubotu> libfaad2-0: freeware Advanced Audio Decoder - runtime files. In component multiverse, is optional. Version 2.0.0+cvs20040908+mp4v2+bmp-0ubuntu3 (feisty), package size 193 kB, installed size 544 kB
[09:44] <sx66> flaccid: where do I find the commerical repos in the adept?
[09:44] <runlevelten> webkit and khtml are so divergent now it's barely worth bothering.
[09:44] <flaccid> its not a matter of bothering really
[09:45] <flaccid> sx66: please read the adept tutorial
[09:45] <sx66> flaccid: all of the resp are checked....
[09:45] <flaccid> !repos
[09:45] <ubotu> The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[09:45] <holycow> runlevelten: who is trying to re-merge the webkit stuff?  sounds like someone thinks there might be something to it .. i could be wrong?
[09:46] <flaccid> sx66: make sure you have done https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu#head-9a7a4519857af012ff775e9c0f15fbce60173676 and updated the package list
[09:47] <Jucato> holycow, runlevelten: Trolltech is working with Apple (a bit) in merging WebKit and KHTML again. Trolltech is interested in using WebKit for Qt
[09:47] <holycow> okay in kde where to i tell it to turn on xdmcp?  in gnome it was gdm
[09:47] <holycow> Jucato: ohhhhhhhhhh
[09:47] <holycow> okay
[09:47] <flaccid> Jucato: in other words they want the patches which apple is denying :)
[09:48] <holycow> i REALLY hate apple
[09:48] <holycow> they take but give shit back
[09:48] <runlevelten> Well merging them should prove an interesting effort, heh
[09:48] <Jucato> flaccid: they're actually working in Apple's repositories last I checked
[09:48] <flaccid> Jucato: that doesn't mean they are getting what they want
[09:49] <Jucato> Apple didn't really deny patches to KHTML. that wouldn't be possible because of GPL
[09:49] <flaccid> how so
[09:49] <Jucato> anyway, I'm hardly the one to know all the nitty-gritty details, since that topic in itself is highly kontroversial within KDE
[09:49] <flaccid> put it this way, they did
[09:49] <runlevelten> They just made it almost worthless trying to merge anything back in.
[09:49] <flaccid> kde devs are still going on about it
[09:49] <Jucato> Apple still gave patches back, not in the way that KDE could make use of them
[09:50] <holycow> runlevelten: and i bet its deliberate
[09:50] <flaccid> they didn't get *all* the patches
[09:51] <holycow> i thought khtml was originally chose because it was cleaner codebase than mozilla right?
[09:51] <runlevelten> I don't know about deliberate, to be honest.
[09:51] <flaccid> that would be one of the reasons
[09:52] <runlevelten> Apple do seem to have a bit of a mental block about open source sometimes.
[09:52] <runlevelten> Did you ever try to participate in Darwin? Pfffft.
[09:52] <Jucato> what can I say, it's Apple :)
[09:52] <holycow> thankfully they have all the bsd folks to leech off of and not give anything back
[09:52] <holycow> yey freedom
[09:52] <Jucato> yay BSD license! hehehe
[09:53] <holycow> how has qt been about particapating in open source? now that its gpld everywhere are there any corners left where they are being stingy?
[09:53] <holycow> i read something about wireless proprietary something or other
[09:53] <holycow> trolltech even
[09:54] <Jucato> well there's still a commercial Qt license, if that's what you mean
[09:54] <flaccid> i thought that was finally rid of
[09:54] <Jucato> and part of their development is still behind closed doors afaik... though they've been trying to really be open, again afaik
[09:54] <runlevelten> tbh, the Qt that's available is great, if you're writing free Free software.
[09:54] <flaccid> ah well
[09:54] <Jucato> it's still dual licensed
[09:54] <Jucato> GPL or commercial
[09:54] <holycow> i actually like that they have a commercial component, as long as they are making money they keep on improving it ... but the biggest reason for gnomes existence in the past has been freedom of the qt toolkit
[09:55] <Jucato> in the commercial license, you're free to choose your own license
[09:55] <runlevelten> indeed. It's reasonable, to be honest.
[09:55] <flaccid> i think its reasonable
[09:55] <Jucato> it is reasonable... but sometimes just.. um... how should I put it...
[09:55] <runlevelten> annoying.
[09:55] <Jucato> well not really...
[09:55] <Jucato> bothersome more like it
[09:56] <ahvargas> hi anyone which file in its called the Xserver ??
[09:56] <Jucato> er yeah...
[09:56] <Jucato> !offtopic
[09:56] <ubotu> #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related support questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[09:56] <Jucato> heheheh ;)
[09:56] <Jucato> my bad :P
[09:56] <jussi01> lol
[09:56] <holycow> lol
[09:56] <holycow> okay speaking of kde, where do i turn on xdmcp?
[09:56] <runlevelten> You can rename the links in remote:/ jussi01
[09:56] <holycow> i need to watch a dvd remotely on a umpc :)
[09:56] <flaccid> !xdmcp
[09:56] <ubotu> xdmcp is the X Display Manger Control Protocol -- look at http://tldp.org/HOWTO/XDMCP-HOWTO/ to find out how to configure it
[09:56] <jussi01> runlevelten: aha, thanks
[09:56] <holycow> oh jees right
[09:56] <holycow> danke
[09:57] <holycow> forgot about the bot
[09:57] <flaccid> np
[09:57] <flaccid> you can query ubotu
[09:57] <flaccid> wiki is always best place to search as well and then google
[09:57] <flaccid> then here
[09:57] <runlevelten> you can search the factoids if you want, too.
[09:57] <Jucato> or.. bot first (PM of course), wiki, forums, then google :)
[09:57] <runlevelten> !somerandomnonsensetellusaboutthefactoidspage
[09:57] <holycow> *hmmm*
[09:57] <jussi01> runlevelten: hmmm, they dont exist in remote:/ ( I have samba shares mounted in fstab)
[09:58] <holycow> that tldp post should maybe be a secondary post
[09:58] <jussi01> !factoids | runlevelten
[09:58] <databuddy> Fact:  The white part of your fingernail is called the lunula.
[09:58] <ubotu> runlevelten: I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots
[09:58] <holycow> there is no kdm specific info there
[09:58] <holycow> i remember somewhere kde having a checkbox for this ...
[09:58] <flaccid> im off
[09:58] <Jucato> bah!
[09:58] <Jucato> didn't have time to turn him off :P
[09:59] <runlevelten> jussi01: what are you trying to rename - the mounts or links to the mounts?
[10:00] <ahvargas> help , i want to kwnow which script start xserver
[10:00] <holycow> is kubuntu handled as a community project or a small dev team?
[10:00] <jussi01> runlevelten: when you mount a samba share in fstab, it puts a link on the desktop called Remote Share (pathtoshare) I just want it to be called share
[10:01] <runlevelten> jussi01: well if you can't rename the link (which you probably can with F2) you will want to use desktop-behaviour to disable automatic display of
[10:01] <runlevelten> mounted samba shares, then create your own link.
[10:01] <jussi01> no you cant rename the link :(
[10:02] <jussi01> gah, its not fair... why cant it just be easy...
[10:02] <runlevelten> called whatever you like. OK, then alt f2 kcontrol  Desktop  Behaviour  Device Icons and disable automatic creation of links to samba shares.
[10:03] <runlevelten> Then make your own custom link :)
[10:03] <jussi01> hehe, ok
[10:08] <AnAnt> Hello, is there a subversion client that integrates with konqueror ?
[10:09] <jussi01> !info ksvn | AnAnt
[10:09] <ubotu> anant: Package ksvn does not exist in feisty, feisty-seveas
[10:09] <runlevelten> well there's a kde subversion client and there's an svn:/ kioslave, although tbh I prefer qsvn for a gui.
[10:09] <praecox> hey guys, what can I use to listen to streamed AAC+ format under Kubuntu?
[10:10] <praecox> I installed xmms-mp4 but seems like it's not working.
[10:10] <runlevelten> !faad
[10:10] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about faad - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[10:10] <runlevelten> !aac
[10:10] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[10:11] <AnAnt> runlevelten: you mean, I can do svn:// in konqueror ?
[10:11] <gnomefreak> AnAnt: kdesvn
[10:11] <praecox> runlevelten, there's not even a word about playing AAC+ streamed media in Kubuntu.
[10:11] <gnomefreak> kdesvn-kio-plugins
[10:12] <AnAnt> thx
[10:12] <gnomefreak> AnAnt: apt-cache search subversion will give you a bunch of results
[10:14] <runlevelten> Oh yeah, I hit that before
[10:14] <runlevelten> You want faad anyway.
[10:15] <praecox> what is faad?
[10:16] <praecox> runlevelten, will this package help me stream aac+ in xmms?
[10:17] <runlevelten> I've no idea. I stopped using XMMS many years ago. It will provide the ability to decode them though.
[10:17] <runlevelten> Which would probably be essential either way.
[10:18] <praecox> runlevelten, ok, so which player you recommend for streaming aac+?
[10:19] <runlevelten> there are various streaming servers available. It depends what you mean by stream.
[10:19] <runlevelten> amarok is cool for daap sharing, for instance.
[10:20] <Xetra> helo
[10:21] <Xetra> i want to install kubuntu, but only have 650 mb cds, so it is too big
[10:21] <drsys> hello people i need some help here. i have an emu1212m soundcard installed ,compiled the alsa 10.14 drivers utils libs ,loaded emu10k1 module in the kernel but still cant get no sound.lspci finds the soundcard though
[10:21] <drsys> can anybody help out?
[10:21] <shiz0r> guessin no1 is alive ?
[10:21] <praecox> runlevelten, I mean I've got servers streaming media in AAC+ format. and I simply wanted to listen to it which I can't do it with xmms.
[10:22] <runlevelten> Ah. What sort of streaming?
[10:22] <praecox> runlevelten, that's why I'm looking for other good player which can play this streaming media.
[10:22] <praecox> runlevelten, http://polskastacja.pl/play/aac_trax.pls
[10:22] <runlevelten> Opens fine in amarok here
[10:22] <shiz0r> does ne1 know anything about beryl and kubuntu compatibility ?
[10:22] <runlevelten> blap, it's playing.
[10:22] <Xetra> is it possible to install kubuntu from an .iso file?
[10:23] <runlevelten> Ron Van Den Bueken Presents The Mystery - Emotion
[10:23] <praecox> runlevelten, oh, ok. let me try it.
[10:23] <praecox> runlevelten, could you possibly try in xmms?
[10:23] <shiz0r> yea Xetra
[10:23] <runlevelten> You would need to be able to play aac mind you.
[10:23] <runlevelten> is XMMS still packaged these days then?
[10:24] <praecox> Error Loading Media
[10:24] <praecox> There is no available decoder.
[10:24] <praecox> runlevelten, it is.
[10:24] <runlevelten> Wow cool! You can still get xmms packaged. I must look for pong :)
[10:24] <praecox> runlevelten, look, this is what Amarok says to me when I try to play that stream.
[10:24] <runlevelten> praecox: you installed everything to do with aac, right?
[10:25] <Xetra> i can start the kubuntu installed, but it says the cd is corrupt, but at least i can boot with it..then how can i run the installation from an .iso file?
[10:25] <runlevelten> faad/faad2 etc
[10:25] <Xetra> installed=install cd
[10:25] <praecox> runlevelten, just installed faad.
[10:26] <praecox> runlevelten, restarted amarok but still the same problem.
[10:26] <runlevelten> once you've successfully installed aac support, amarok should be fine.
[10:26] <shiz0r> Xetra you can extract the contents of the ISO file with Isobuster
[10:26] <runlevelten> wot engine?
[10:26] <praecox> runlevelten, not sure what else is required for playing aac in amarok?
[10:27] <Xetra> thanks
[10:28] <underdog5004> why won't this crontab entry work? it works when I manually run the script:  27 01 * * mon sh /home/matthew/.btbackup.sh
[10:28] <runlevelten> well I have libfaad and libfaad2 installed here, not sure anything else is needed tbh, but I have the codec kitchen sink installed
[10:28] <runlevelten> I like to be able to play everything.
[10:29] <underdog5004> no ideas?
[10:30] <praecox> runlevelten, libfaad2-0 is already the newest version.
[10:30] <runlevelten> and faad?
[10:30] <hangthedj> faac and libfaac0
[10:30] <praecox> runlevelten, faad is already the newest version.
[10:30] <praecox> hangthedj, oh, let me try.
[10:31] <runlevelten> faac are the encoders.
[10:31] <runlevelten> I have them too, mind.
[10:31] <runlevelten> *is
[10:31] <praecox> libfaac0 is already the newest version.
[10:31] <praecox> and just installed faac.
[10:31] <hangthedj> i just did a aptitude search for aac and thats what came up.
[10:31] <runlevelten> and you've restarted amarok after installing the support?
[10:31] <praecox> damn, still error loading...
[10:31] <praecox> runlevelten, yes.
[10:32] <runlevelten> Weird. I've had aac working perfectly since at least 1.4.5
[10:33] <hangthedj> you could always apt-get source amarok, then configure and see what your missing.
[10:33] <praecox> hangthedj, yeah, but it's serious waste of time for me...
[10:33] <runlevelten> right, xmms is here, let's see.
[10:35] <runlevelten> No. XMMS doesn't work.
[10:35] <praecox> yep. that's what I have already figured out by myself. ;)
[10:36] <runlevelten> You don't need to read the amarok source. It should work.
[10:36] <runlevelten> Wait... what version are you running?
[10:38] <runlevelten> wait praecox... you did follow the instructions for playing proprietary formats, right?
[10:39] <runlevelten> I've been working on the assumption you installed the libxine1-ffmpeg package..
[10:44] <vbgunz> anyone know of a way I can audit the applications installed on my system and separate those which came with the system against those I've manually installed?
[10:47] <praecox> runlevelten, oh, right. works now. my bad...
[10:47] <praecox> runlevelten, thanks.
[10:47] <runlevelten> Cool. :)
[10:47] <runlevelten> No probs
[10:50] <kewl> where these temporary (downloaded packages )files r stored??
[10:51] <kewl> ??
[10:56] <vbgunz> kewl:  /var/cache/apt/archives
[10:56] <vbgunz> if you're talking about apt-get
[10:59] <kewl> vbgunz:ok ya  i m using apt-get
[11:01] <vbgunz> good luck
[11:01] <kewl> vbunz: if i cancel the upgrade..& start it again then.....will it start allover again or will resume itself??
[11:13] <kewl> so can i do upgrading in parts or i `ll hav to keep pc for whole night??
[11:21] <aantn> Are there any kde 4 packages for feisty?
[11:22] <Jucato> aantn: http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde4-beta1.php
[11:23] <aantn> thanks
[11:23] <aantn> has anyone here used it?
[11:23] <Jucato> developers most probably
[11:25] <jussi01> aantn: you will find more people who have used it in #ubuntu+1 , but that will be on gutsy
[11:25] <aantn> kk
[11:26] <Jucato> or most probably developers... since the 1st beta isn't really still that stable or good enough for end-user testing...
[11:26] <aantn> kk
[11:26] <mecannotread> guys do enyone know a good newstickerprogram for kubuntu
[11:26] <jussi01> aantn: I tried it a couple of weeks ago..
[11:26] <aantn> and?
[11:28] <jussi01> its in the early stages of development.... not yet ready to be used, lots of stuff to be done, plenty of bugs and other annoyances...'
[11:29] <aantn> ok
[11:29] <jussi01> but that was a couple of weeks ago
[11:29] <aantn> I mostly use gnome anyway
[11:29] <runlevelten> mecannotread: akregator, or the newsticker applet for kicker.
[11:29] <aantn> I just think its smoother
[11:30] <runlevelten> Ah, the famous smoothness algorithm.
[11:30] <aantn> runlevelten: lol
[11:31] <aantn> that reminds me of the classic joke
[11:32] <aantn> when developing programs you can only pick two out of the three following goals: low budget, speed, and quality
[11:33] <mecannotread> runlevelten, thanx  for the info...
[11:33] <runlevelten> np.
[12:01] <Ardin> ok, so i have slackware installed right now, and i'm downloading a kubuntu cd... but i just got kde the way i want... if i leave my home directory alone, wil my settings stay, or will kubuntu do something funky with them?
[12:11] <aristofon> anyone alive?
[12:12] <Ardin> i am
[12:12] <Ardin> bnut i dont think anyone else is
[12:13] <aristofon> great
[12:13] <aristofon> um
[12:13] <aristofon> how do i find a server for efnet
[12:13] <aristofon> i hate IRC
[12:13] <aristofon> and im fucking stoned
[12:13] <Jucato> !language
[12:13] <ubotu> Please watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.
[12:13] <aristofon> yes GNU bot
[12:13] <aristofon> <33
[12:14] <Jucato> we also have forums and mailing lists
[12:15] <Roadrunner1985> hello
[12:15] <Roadrunner1985> i have a question.
[12:16] <aristofon> sup bra
[12:16] <aristofon> homebro
[12:16] <aristofon> broseph
[12:16] <Roadrunner1985> i connect to a fritzbox over a atheros wlan. (wpa) i always need to enter a password before it starts connecting to the box.
[12:16] <Roadrunner1985> how can i change this?
[12:17] <aristofon> is this for WoW?
[12:17] <aristofon> or phone
[12:17] <aristofon> or what
[12:17] <aristofon> beef
[12:18] <jhutchins> Roadrunner1985: wtf is  fritzbox?
[12:18] <Roadrunner1985> jhutchins: it is a wlan-router
[12:18] <jhutchins> It's requiring a password? kubuntu is?
[12:18] <aristofon> lol
[12:18] <aristofon> im there with you
[12:18] <Roadrunner1985> jhutchins: i enabled autologin. it is ubuntu
[12:19] <aristofon> fritzywinterbox
[12:19] <aristofon> will just have to chill
[12:19] <jhutchins> Roadrunner1985: Where is the password required?
[12:20] <Roadrunner1985> jhutchins: after login. i stored the wpa-password. to access it, i need to enter one
[12:20] <Ralesk> aristofon: off the top of my head it would be irc.efnet.org but I haven't been to those waters in ages...
[12:20] <Ralesk> Roadrunner1985: ah, in kwallet?
[12:20] <aristofon> XBINS
[12:20] <aristofon> strrraiighhttt uppp
[12:20] <aristofon> =P
[12:20] <Ralesk> that's a security measure.  it asks for the master password because that's good for you :)
[12:20] <Roadrunner1985> Ralesk: it is the tools for managing my keyrings in ubuntu. don't know the name now
[12:21] <Roadrunner1985> Ralesk: yea. it is nice. but i need to turn this asking off.
[12:21] <Ralesk> can't
[12:21] <Roadrunner1985> cant? damn
[12:21] <Ralesk> unless you don't set a master password to begin with
[12:22] <Ralesk> which is a nasty way of getting around it :P
[12:22] <jussi01> Roadrunner1985: is it the keyring password its asking for?
[12:22] <Roadrunner1985> jussi01: yes it is
[12:23] <jussi01> Roadrunner1985: just go and create a wallet with no password.
[12:23] <Roadrunner1985> jussi01: how to do? i'm a bit new to ubuntu
[12:23] <jussi01> its got nothing to do with your sudo password
[12:24] <jussi01> Roadrunner1985: click on the wallet in system tray, file->new wallet then delete the old wallet
[12:24] <Roadrunner1985> jussi01: i found. but it wont create one without a password.
[12:24] <jussi01> just leave the password blank
[12:25] <bjwebb> is there a way to change screen resolution for one user to + 1024*768 without affecting other users?
[12:25] <Roadrunner1985> jussi01: flieds: keyring-name, password and password. i entered a name and leaved passwords blank. but nothing happens.
[12:26] <Roadrunner1985> jussi01: im using ubuntu 7.04
[12:26] <jussi01> Roadrunner1985: ubuntu or kubuntu?
[12:27] <Roadrunner1985> ubuntu
[12:27] <jussi01> oh, this is the help channel for kubuntu
[12:27] <Roadrunner1985> oh.
[12:27] <jussi01> but its different there
[12:27] <Roadrunner1985> #ubuntu?
[12:27] <jussi01> just install libpam-keyring
[12:27] <jussi01> should fix it
[12:29] <Roadrunner1985> jussi01: okay. hope that it is fix now. otherwise i have no more ssh-connection ^^
[12:30] <jussi01> Roadrunner1985: hope so too. sometimes it requires a small change to a certain file. have a search on ubuntuforums for libpam-keyring and you will find more info
[12:30] <mecannotread> does somebody know how to install kde4
[12:30] <Roadrunner1985> jussi01: thanks :)
[12:31] <jussi01> Roadrunner1985: :)
[12:31] <Jucato> mecannotread: http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde4-beta1.php
[12:31] <Roadrunner1985> so hope i have luck. see you later
[12:31] <mecannotread> Jucato, thanks for the info...
[12:38] <EviL_AciD> !ita
[12:38] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ita - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[12:41] <jhatlelid> I suddenly get NOICE on my Optical 7.1 Audio output from my Abit IL-90MV (Only in Kubuntu, not in Vista or XP) Help :P
[12:46] <joseph1110216> someone help. i type kismet in the terminal but it starts and says "waiting for the server to start before starting ui
[12:46] <EviL_AciD> italian channel?
[12:47] <runlevelten> !it
[12:47] <ubotu> Vai su #ubuntu-it o su #kubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie!
[12:53] <nicolas> hello!
[12:54] <jussi01> hey everyone, I need a basic paint program for kde, ideas?
[12:55] <nicolas> to secure my linux i m looking for a package name Shadow, but i cant find it... do you know where it is?
[12:55] <joseph1110216> anyone know of any packet sniffers for windows or linux, that dont need me to have extra hardware installed such as the linksys wrt54g router or the airpcap adapter.
[12:55] <nicolas> it's not basic but Gimp?
[12:56] <nicolas> !shadow
[12:56] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about shadow - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[12:57] <jussi01> !info shadow
[12:57] <ubotu> Package shadow does not exist in feisty, feisty-seveas
[12:57] <jussi01> nicolas: no, i want something _basic_
[12:59] <nicolas> http://www.tuxpaint.org/links/?lang=en very basic :)
[01:00] <jussi01> ahhh, found one
[01:00] <jussi01> !info krita
[01:00] <ubotu> krita: a pixel-based image manipulation program for the KDE Office Suite. In component main, is optional. Version 1:1.6.2-0ubuntu1.1 (feisty), package size 3043 kB, installed size 9412 kB
[01:03] <Ralesk> an even more basic one would be kolourpaint :P
[01:03] <Ralesk> but that's pushing it
[01:05] <runlevelten> no, kolourpaint sounds like what jussi01's asking for
[01:06] <runlevelten> If it's for a small child jussi01, do check out tuxpaint.
[01:06] <jussi01> runlevelten: no, I just needed to do some _basic_ manipulation and didnt have time to figure out/download the gimp. osrted now
[01:13] <JuJuBee> Morning
[01:14] <JuJuBee> or whatever time it is where you are :)
[01:14] <JuJuBee> I have added some menu items to the Kmenu and I wish to make this the starting point for all new users.  What do I copy to /etc/skel to make this happen from .kde?
[01:29] <riorio> any experts on Kopete around?
[01:30] <riorio> I'm trying to identify on irc but can't find the system tab
[01:31] <jussi01> riorio: just do /ns identify paswordhere
[01:35] <riorio> /nickserv identify harmageddon
[01:35] <riorio> bl
[01:41] <riorio> how do I change my irc password?
[01:42] <fkm> ./nickserv help
[01:42] <riorio> thx
[01:44] <fkm> Youre welcome ;)
[01:45] <fkm> I didn't look after my account for some time. So I can't really give you the command to the specific help. But I guess you'll figure that out yourself :)
[01:47] <riorio> I found it :)
[01:47] <fkm> :)
[01:47] <riorio>   /msg nickserv set password <newpassword>
[01:47] <riorio> iirc
[01:47] <runlevelten> JuJuBee: There are global links directories, make your changes in there not /et/skel
[01:47] <fkm> Heheh :) IRC ftw!
[01:47] <hnsn> heja sverige
[01:47] <freepenguin> messaggio
[01:47] <runlevelten> or /etc/skel, heh
[01:51] <contrast83> JuJuBee: Still around?
[01:52] <contrast83> JuJuBee: /usr/share/applications is where you'll put most of those .desktop files, some will go in /usr/share/applications
[01:53] <malqos> how can i format my  ipod useing terminal?
[01:56] <fairman> Hi, how can i see shared folders (via NFS) on another PC? (I set NFS sharing for one folder and i can not see on another PC with Kubuntu)
[01:57] <freepenguin> www.freepenguin.it/index-en.html
[02:03] <angel> hi
[02:27] <peterbuldge> do you guys kubuntu
[02:28] <peterbuldge> cause I kubuntu
[02:28] <peterbuldge> I kubuntu like crazy
[02:28] <hnsn> plx
[02:28] <PhinnFort> all the time
[02:28] <peterbuldge> I kubuntu so much I need a salve or ointment of some type
[02:32] <peterbuldge> what kind of plugins are available for kopete
[02:32] <peterbuldge> I've looked around but I never really much
[02:33] <peterbuldge> is it just not very extensible?
[02:33] <PhinnFort> write some yourself
[02:33] <PhinnFort> it has everything i need, so...
[02:33] <peterbuldge> I was just wondering
[02:33] <peterbuldge> I like kopete a lot
[02:33] <peterbuldge> pidgin I cant stand
[02:33] <PhinnFort> pidgin is fugly, too
[02:34] <peterbuldge> it has everything I need too really I just would like to see what crazy stuff people come up with for it
[02:34] <PhinnFort> heh
[02:35] <peterbuldge> what's so hard about putting webcam capability in the open source messengers
[02:35] <peterbuldge> I mean
[02:35] <peterbuldge> kopete has it
[02:35] <PhinnFort> kopete has excellent support
[02:35] <peterbuldge> but its like the only one
[02:35] <PhinnFort> amsn also has good support, afaik
[02:36] <PhinnFort> i dunno about pidgin, though
[02:36] <peterbuldge> on xp I use miranda and I love it cause its so customizable
[02:36] <peterbuldge> but no cam support
[02:36] <Jucato> as for plugins... you might want to ask in #kopete if they have more 3rd party ones
[02:36] <peterbuldge> in fact there's bascially a ban on the forums on even asking about it
[02:37] <peterbuldge> so what's so hard about putting in webcam support
[02:37] <combo> hi, i wanted to ask what might be the reason of maximum RAM absorbtion ? :/ always there is in use about 700 mb of 758 mb DDR | everything works fine
[02:37] <PhinnFort> understandable, if people tend to whine about it
[02:37] <peterbuldge> I'm not a coder so I do not know
[02:37] <combo> where can i check this out ?
[02:37] <PhinnFort> combo: linux automatically use all the ram to make your computer faster
[02:37] <peterbuldge> and thanks for the tip juc
[02:37] <Jucato> sure
[02:37] <Jucato> !ram | combo
[02:37] <ubotu> combo: A quick FAQ on Memory Management: http://gentoo-wiki.com/FAQ_Linux_Memory_Management For Lubos Lunak's desktop memory usage comparison, see: http://ktown.kde.org/~seli/memory/desktop_benchmark.html
[02:38] <combo> PhinnFort & Jucato - THX :)
[02:38] <Jucato> "maximum ram absorption"... that sounds funky :)
[02:38] <PhinnFort> np
[02:38] <Jucato> in short: Linux makes use of that RAM you spent your money on :)
[02:38] <PhinnFort> :p
[02:40] <peterbuldge> yeah linux runs so much smoother than xp
[02:40] <peterbuldge> yet in takes longer to start up
[02:40] <peterbuldge> trade off
[02:40] <PhinnFort> well, it boots several magnitudes faster here
[02:41] <PhinnFort> even though i have webservers and everything starting
[02:41] <peterbuldge> hmm
[02:41] <peterbuldge> that's odd
[02:41] <PhinnFort> !speed
[02:41] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about speed - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[02:41] <peterbuldge> I have a pretty hefty pc
[02:41] <PhinnFort> have you disabled atimes and stuff?
[02:41] <PhinnFort> I don't
[02:41] <PhinnFort> 512mb ram, 1,8ghz athlon64
[02:42] <peterbuldge> it doesnt really bother me cause once it starts it runs beautifully
[02:42] <peterbuldge> amd sempron +3000  1.99ghz  2 gb ram here
[02:43] <riorio> Kubuntu/KDE is stealing ctrl+tab from Blender.  How can I change the default shortkeys?
[02:45] <Jucato> riorio: System Settings -> Keyboard & Mouse -> Keyboard Shortcuts
[02:45] <riorio> thx...
[02:57] <K99Brain> -part
[02:57] <malqos> how  can i format my ipod?
[03:08] <peterbuldge> what's a good kde desktop search app?
[03:08] <Jucato> strigi (if your distro already has it)
[03:08] <hydrogen> google search!
[03:08] <Jucato> it's the only truly kde-oriented one... of course there's kerry for beagle
[03:08] <hydrogen> we did this last night
[03:08] <Jucato> lol yeah
[03:08] <Jucato> deja vu (fonts)
[03:09] <deville> hi
[03:09] <deville> asl pls???
[03:09] <deville> :D
[03:10] <hydrogen> 12/m/13"
[03:10] <hydrogen> oh wait... l stands for location
[03:10] <Jucato> lol
[03:10] <hydrogen> not length
[03:10] <Jucato> roflmao
[03:10] <hydrogen> bah
[03:10] <hydrogen> I always forget :/
[03:10] <Jucato> convenient amnesia :)
[03:10] <peterbuldge> yeah I do not wanna use google
[03:10] <deville> bwahahha
[03:10] <peterbuldge> thanks for the suggestions
[03:11] <hydrogen> heh
[03:11] <hydrogen> alt+f2: locate:/blah
[03:12] <hydrogen> low cost way
[03:12] <peterbuldge> ha
[03:12] <hydrogen> which actually is fairly fast
[03:12] <Jucato> except you have to rebuild the locate db once in a while
[03:12] <hydrogen> its on a cron!
[03:13] <peterbuldge> I see
[03:13] <Jucato> updatedb? fast? O.o
[03:13] <hydrogen>  /etc/cron.daily/slocate
[03:13] <Jucato> oh slocate
[03:13] <hydrogen> anyways
[03:13] <hydrogen> fooooooood
[03:13] <hydrogen> granted
[03:13] <hydrogen> rlocate would be better
[03:14] <hydrogen> but no one tends to use it
[03:15] <maxamillion> does kubuntu come with kppp as a default installed application
[03:15] <maxamillion> ?
[03:16] <Jucato> yes
[03:16] <maxamillion> Jucato: thanks
[03:16] <Jucato> for dialup
[03:16] <maxamillion> Jucato: well ... i need it for a GSM network connection and the only documentation i can find is for how to set it up using kppp
[03:16] <maxamillion> Jucato: thank you
[03:16] <Jucato> ok then
[03:23] <Gast550> hallo, ist der intel matrix raid controller mit kubuntu kompatibel ?
[03:25] <pag> !de | Gast550
[03:25] <ubotu> Gast550: Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de
[03:26] <deville> umm
[03:27] <deville> may i ask somthing???
[03:27] <pag> !ask | deville
[03:27] <ubotu> deville: Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[03:27] <deville> hehe
[03:27] <deville> umm
[03:27] <deville> y can't i connect to DALnet??
[03:27] <deville> hehehe
[03:28] <pag> deville, try to be more specific...
[03:29] <deville> [21:25]  [Info]  Looking for server davis.dal.net:7000...
[03:29] <deville> [21:25]  [Info]  Server found, connecting...
[03:29] <deville> [21:28]  [Error]  Connection to Server davis.dal.net lost: operation is not supported. Trying to reconnect.
[03:30] <pag> try some other dalnet server than davis?
[03:31] <deville> i tried others
[03:32] <deville> aleary
[03:32] <deville> already
[03:32] <deville> but it jst wont work
[03:32] <pag> deville, which irc-client are you using?
[03:33] <genii> maybe try port 6667 instead of 70000
[03:33] <genii> 7000 rather
[03:34] <deville> but based on their website..its 7000
[03:36] <Jucato> genii!!!!!!!!!
[03:36] <genii> Jucato!!
[03:36] <Jucato> I saved up a pool of coffee for you :)
[03:37] <genii> Jucato: Cool, i appreciate it :)
[03:37] <greenday> hi guys .. i have a question ..
[03:37] <greenday> i wanna install guarddog..
[03:37] <greenday> but it says : rc.firewall does not exist
[03:37] <greenday> should i create a rc.firewall file ?
[03:38] <Jucato> oh I know next to nothing about firewalls... except the ones casted by mages
[03:39] <__Blue2__> :)
[03:39] <__Blue2__> dont know what to do
[03:40] <__Blue2__> anyone has any idea ?
[03:41] <pag> __Blue2__, so doest the installation fail because of this?
[03:41] <pag> s/doest/does
[03:42] <genii> is there a file /etc/rc.d/rc.firewall ?
[03:43] <na82guy> good morning! who knows why when i try to join to a irc channel it says i.e.: "closing link: unknown@xx.xx.xx. ... unauthorized connection"? what does it mean? what do I do wrong?
[03:44] <__Blue2__> no
[03:44] <__Blue2__> there is no file such as rc.firewall
[03:44] <__Blue2__> and installation is cancelled cause of that.
[03:45] <genii> __Blue2__: Try then: sudo touch /etc/rc.firewall       and see if guarddog can finish install
[03:46] <__Blue2__> genii: ok .. let me try it.
[03:48] <MMatic> hello
[03:48] <MMatic> hi guys
[03:48] <MMatic> I was hoping someone could help me
[03:48] <MMatic> I have trouble setting up mu internet with ubuntu
[03:48] <na82guy> you are not the one!!! :D
[03:49] <MMatic> I couple of days I had installed ubuntu
[03:49] <ubuntu> hello
[03:49] <na82guy> hi
[03:49] <MMatic> I plugged in my lan routed adsl and it worked!
[03:49] <genii> work AFK 3-5 mins
[03:49] <MMatic> but now
[03:50] <MMatic> its not working
[03:50] <MMatic> on top of that
[03:50] <MMatic> I have a wireless conection
[03:50] <MMatic> which is recognised
[03:50] <reizend> !enter | MMatic
[03:50] <ubotu> MMatic: Please try to keep your questions/responses on one line - don't use the "Enter" key as punctuation!
[03:50] <__Blue2__> genii: Thanx for your help. it worked now. and guarddog says " if you use guarddog firewall file will be overwritten " .. so no problem :)
[03:50] <MMatic> ok
[03:51] <MMatic> so I have wireless network which is recognised but it does not connect, it says that my hardware cannot supportthe security
[03:52] <hydrogen> !space
[03:52] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about space - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[03:52] <hydrogen> !enter > /dev/null
[03:52] <hydrogen> hoHo!
[03:53] <hydrogen> what file do I futz in to make xhost + permanent
[03:53] <MMatic> it says "Error connecting to wireless network" then "The requested wireless network requires security capabilities unsupported by your hardware"
[03:54] <MMatic> I have a belkin F5D9050B G PLus USB Netwwork adapter
[03:55] <MMatic> could someone please help me..
[03:56] <genii> back
[03:57] <MMatic> how can I input a WEP Key into the wireless connection?
[03:58] <Jucato> MMatic: right-click on the knetworkmanager icon, Manual configuration, select the wireless network device, Configure Device?
[04:00] <MMatic> I dont have that optio
[04:00] <MMatic> I see the wireless network, but when I right click on the actual wireless network it comes up with the same error message again
[04:02] <MMatic> Ok I think I see what you mean I am in the network settings
[04:03] <MMatic> there is two wireless options wmaster0 and wlan0
[04:03] <MMatic> bothe say roaming mode enabled
[04:03] <wers> how do I join  #ubuntu-ph?
[04:04] <wers> how do I join  #ubuntu-ph ?
[04:04] <Jucato> wers: just click on it
[04:05] <MMatic> Jucato
[04:05] <MMatic> what should I do?
[04:06] <Jucato> MMatic: sorry no idea
[04:06] <MMatic> ok
[04:07] <MMatic> well do you know anything about the standard connection
[04:12] <foo25_> Nickname in use O.o
[04:15] <__Blue2__> what is the best html editor for kubuntu ?
[04:16] <Daisuke_Laptop> vi
[04:17] <Daisuke_Laptop> or, for a realistic answer, check out bluefish and nvu
[04:17] <__Blue2__> Daisuke_Laptop: which one is better ?
[04:18] <__Blue2__> which one do you prefer ?
[04:18] <Daisuke_Laptop> i don't do much html work, so it's a tossup
[04:18] <Daisuke_Laptop> both are open, free, and in the repos, so it'll cost nothing to check em both out :)
[04:19] <__Blue2__> i see .. thanx Daisuke_Laptop do you know if its possible to use " macromedia dreamwear " at kubuntu ?
[04:20] <__Blue2__> *dreamweaver :)
[04:20] <Daisuke_Laptop> while you can probably run it under wine, it will likely present more problems than it's worth
[04:20] <Daisuke_Laptop> if you're looking for something dreamweaver-like, check out nvu first
[04:22] <rustalot> the live CD doesn't work
[04:24] <__Blue2__> thanx Daisuke_Laptop i have another question. i enlarge the font at Konsole. but when reopen the konsole i see that my settlings are lost.. so i enlarge everytime.. do you have any idea about this ?
[04:25] <martijn81> __Blue2__: settings save as default
[04:26] <__Blue2__> i tried that but not worked.. let me try it again .. martijn81
[04:29] <fdoving> Jucato: nice to see you back. :)
[04:30] <Jucato> hehe thanks fdoving :)
[04:30] <MementoMori> any postfix guru here?
[04:30] <fdoving> MementoMori: depends on your problem.
[04:31] <Karti> Daisuke_Laptop: I think nvu is now Kompozer unless I am mistaken (for the moment)
[04:31] <MementoMori> it's very simple: I wanto a virtual domain to do only local delivery
[04:31] <luh> hi
[04:31] <Daisuke_Laptop> wasn't aware of that change
[04:32] <Daisuke_Laptop> see, told you i didn't do much with html :)
[04:32] <__Blue2__> Karti: but i found nvu installation packages. .
[04:32] <MementoMori> fdoving: is this a simple problem? ;)
[04:32] <fdoving> MementoMori: well.. if you configure the domain as a local, it'll get delivered locally anyhow.
[04:32] <luh> i was just trying to install adobe acrobat 7.0, following the instructions from wiki.ubuntuusers.de - and when i try to start it afterwards I'll get this message:
[04:33] <Karti> Was just looking the site and as was trying to get nvu  and the ubuntu page was saying that it was "Kompozer is a better nvu, to be used until next nvu release"
[04:33] <luh> paul@atelier:~$ acroread
[04:33] <luh> exec: 758: /usr/local/bin/Adobe/Acrobat7.0/Reader/intellinux/bin/acroread: not found
[04:33] <luh> the file is there
[04:33] <luh> permission is rwxr-wr-w
[04:33] <__Blue2__> Karti: i see.. is nvu something like "macromedia dreamweaver " ?
[04:33] <luh> anyone an idea?
[04:35] <Daisuke_Laptop> i already told you that was the closest you'd get without struggling to run dreamweaver i nwine
[04:35] <Karti> __Blue2__: It is a WYSIWYG app. The best thing about DW Suite is that the package consists of everything that you would require, with flash, graphics etc but Daisuke_Laptop is right.
[04:35] <U238Willy> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KompoZer (based on NVU..)
[04:36] <Karti> I currently use Quant+ but I am moving back to code only as its neater, thoughI also use Netfusion Object in Windows
[04:36] <__Blue2__> i see.. thanx guys :)
[04:37] <Karti> U238Willy: I like the "where it was favourably compared to Adobe Dreamweaver."
[04:37] <luh> anyone?
[04:38] <U238Willy> I've not used either.. though.. i have used Quanta+
[04:38] <U238Willy> i should try it out.
[04:40] <Karti> luh: have you tried sudo apt-get install acroread - worked for me?
[04:40] <luh> on feisty?
[04:41] <luh> can't find that package
[04:41] <Karti> Sorry I also have the medibuntu repositories
[04:42] <luh> do they work on feisty? or does that screw anything?
[04:42] <luh> else I'll just add those repos
[04:42] <Karti> I have had no issues with my feisty for the last 4 months http://medibuntu.sos-sts.com/ if you are interested
[04:42] <luh> is it a 32 or 64 bit system?
[04:43] <Karti> I'm on 64 bit but I used it on 32
[04:44] <U238Willy> Thanks, Karti
[04:44] <luh> i just tried to install the edgy version, but it complained about being a i386 packet and my system is amd64
[04:44] <U238Willy> that look interesting.
[04:44] <U238Willy> *looks
[04:45] <tim> mmmmmm any one here know how to install WL on dells
[04:45] <tim> any one ?
[04:46] <Karti> luh: I am using it on AMD 64
[04:46] <__Blue2__> which IM do you use ?.. amsn / miranda / gaim or any others ?.
[04:46] <luh> can you show me your repositories list? then i'll copy the parts i need Karti
[04:46] <thewickerman> Is there a way that by which I can force the installation of the package releases in the apt-get cache regardless of whether it is the newest version or not?
[04:46] <Karti> luh: did you add the repository following these instructions? http://medibuntu.sos-sts.com/repository-old.php
[04:47] <nevermind> hey
[04:47] <nevermind> got a problemo
[04:47] <tim> hay
[04:47] <tim> i have nevermind
[04:47] <tim> im still baffeled about how to get a WL on dell
[04:47] <luh> sorry to ask once more Karti - you have the edgy or the feisty repos of medibuntu?
[04:48] <nevermind> well, im trying to connect to a windows network, to see the folders... how do i do that?
[04:48] <Karti> 7.04 fiesty
[04:49] <__Blue2__> Karti: maybe u know.. there is a program for to make desktop .. what is it ? gdesklat ? ..
[04:49] <tim> connecting to a windows servers hard
[04:49] <__Blue2__> make the desktop better *
[04:49] <tim> one sec nevermind ill go get desk referance im a networking student
[04:49] <nevermind> not a server, a router from home
[04:49] <Karti> tim what is WL?
[04:49] <nevermind> *at
[04:50] <Karti> __Blue2__: What do you mean make it better?
[04:50] <tim> so what you just wanna connect to a route at home
[04:50] <__Blue2__> to add some new features for kde.. such as watch / notes .. new icons .. etc.
[04:50] <Karti> tim: you need smbfs and ntfs-3g to access windows drives
[04:50] <bahr> wow kubuntu is much nicer looking an intuitive than xp :-o
[04:51] <tim> i prefer kubuntu but ubuntu reconises my external
[04:51] <Karti> __Blue2__: I use Super Karamba if that is what you mean
[04:51] <tim> and cant be botherd downlaoding the kde pakages
[04:51] <nevermind> does anyone know how to connect to a windows router? and access windows based shared files
[04:51] <Karti> tim: they are small
[04:51] <tim> really
[04:52] <tim> and never mind ive got a deskreference for networking infornt of me ill just look it up now
[04:52] <__Blue2__> Karti: its for kubuntu dapper drake right ? coz i heard that was something like gdesklet or gdeskjet or something like that ?
[04:53] <Karti> __Blue2__: if you search in the command line by apt-cache search gdesklet you may get results
[04:53] <__Blue2__> thanxx
[04:54] <tim> ok its too much stuff to write down in here for co nnecting to the router and access the shared files
[04:54] <drif> nevermind: just open konqueror and type smb:/
[04:54] <Karti> nevermind: if you use the Remote Places on the System Menu to connect you should be ok
[04:54] <Karti> tim it is easy...
[04:54] <luh> thx Karti - seems to work (downloading and installing right now)
[04:54] <tim> my deskreference is talking about server not router
[04:54] <tim> dosnt talk about smaba and stuff like that] 
[04:55] <dabbler> anyone know of a QT version of firestarter?
[04:55] <tim> and which kde files should i download to change the interface look
[04:55] <dabbler> or is firestarter ok on KDE
[04:55] <Karti> As drif says you can also type in the ip address in the browser
[04:56] <bahr> I just switched to Kubuntu from Windows, so I don't really know taht many applications in Linux, can somebody recommend me a descent usenet reader application?
[04:56] <drif> Karti: no need to even type ip - you can browse the workgroups etc..
[04:56] <Karti> __Blue2__: Here is your required website http://www.gdesklets.de/
[04:56] <Arwen> bahr, maybe trn
[04:57] <tim> mmmmmm why cant ubuntu be like suse nd ask if you want gnoe or kde setup
[04:57] <Arwen> because then the install media would be twice as large?
[04:57] <tim> ok good point
[04:57] <Karti> tim are you on the ubuntu server with no GUI?
[04:58] <tim> nah im using gnome
[04:58] <tim> why ?
[04:58] <jussi01> dabbler: guarddog
[04:58] <jussi01> !info guarddog | dabbler
[04:58] <fdoving> tim: it asks you to select which CD you want. Kubuntu or Ubuntu. basically the same thing.
[04:58] <ubotu> dabbler: guarddog: firewall configuration utility for KDE. In component universe, is optional. Version 2.5.0-1ubuntu1 (feisty), package size 476 kB, installed size 1424 kB
[04:58] <Karti> just gonna say install the desktop
[04:58] <dabbler> ty
[04:58] <tim> well you see
[04:59] <tim> with my external which houses everything with kubuntu it dosnt reconise it but for some reason ubuntu 7 does
[04:59] <__Blue2__> Karti: thanx.. i have found it .. gdesklets is for gnome .. i should use superkaramba i think..
[04:59] <tim> so im using ubuntu to access that solely
[04:59] <Karti> __Blue2__: I only use a few bits but I am more than happy with it
[05:00] <tim> well karti you got a weblink to install kde desktop rather then gnome i wanna keep some key systems though that are in ubuntu
[05:00] <Karti> drif: thanks for the workgroup info :)
[05:00] <_Shade_> is there anyone using gutsy?
[05:00] <drif> Karti: np :)
[05:01] <Karti> tim: I just do it through the command line - sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop (me thinks)
[05:01] <tim> ok ill try it
[05:01] <Karti> tim: just searched for it and it is that
[05:02] <tim> it cant find package kubuntu-desktop
[05:02] <mkargar> hello
[05:02] <drif> tim: strange
[05:02] <Ralesk> are you sure you're using ubuntu? :)
[05:02] <Karti> tlol
[05:02] <tim> well im pretty damn sure
[05:03] <tim> tim@tim-laptop:~$ sudo apt-get install Kubuntu-Desktop
[05:03] <tim> Password:
[05:03] <tim> Reading package lists... Done
[05:03] <tim> Building dependency tree... Done
[05:03] <tim> E: Couldn't find package Kubuntu-Desktop
[05:03] <drif> tim: got your repositories (sources.list) right?
[05:03] <drif> tim: not Kubuntu
[05:03] <Ralesk> don't capitalise it
[05:03] <drif> kubuntu
[05:03] <tim> ok
[05:03] <Ralesk> kubuntu-desktop
[05:03] <drif> tim: do not improvise there ;)
[05:03] <martijn81> and use paste-bin
[05:03] <Karti> tim: try searching first but as they say no caps
[05:03] <tim> ok
[05:04] <tim> didnt know cmd was case sesative
[05:04] <luh> Karti, works - thx once more
[05:04] <Karti> linux is case sensitive is it not *hides*
[05:04] <tim> so if i install the kubuntu now will it just upgrade it to that
[05:05] <Ralesk> tim: everything is case sensitive unless mentioned otherwise :)
[05:05] <Karti> tim: from my server 7.04 it added the gui by using that command
[05:05] <tim> ok
[05:06] <drif> tim: it's package name, not command - which is very case sensitive
[05:06] <tim> thanx karti
[05:06] <tim> i still need to get this stupid bcmwl5 sorted out
[05:06] <Karti> no probs, its only what I have learn't from these people in this channel ;)
[05:06] <drif> tim: but like Ralesk mentioned - consider about everything case sensitive from now on
[05:07] <tim> kk drif
[05:07] <__Blue2__> can i update kde by using apt-get ?
[05:07] <tim> hehehehe now blues asking :P
[05:08] <Ralesk> __Blue2__: can update anything and everything with apt-get
[05:08] <__Blue2__> :) i m newbie :) and kde crashed all the time :)
[05:08] <tim> yea blue you can im just doing it now
[05:08] <tim> i dont find it crashs more of hangs for a few seconds
[05:08] <Ralesk> tim: you're installing, not updating (which apt calls "upgrade", by the way)
[05:08] <tim> ok
[05:08] <__Blue2__> i think i should write " sudo apt-get update kde"  or with any functions with it ?
[05:08] <Ralesk> nope
[05:09] <tim> its install kubuntu-desktop
[05:09] <tim> not update kde
[05:09] <Ralesk> the update command for apt-get fetches the newest data for its local database
[05:09] <pag> __Blue2__, see http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-357.php to upgrade to newest version of kde
[05:09] <__Blue2__> " sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop " -
[05:09] <__Blue2__> what will be the old files btw ? will remove itsself ?
[05:10] <Ralesk> __Blue2__: you don't need to install it.  it's already on your computer.  (okay, it's more complicated than that, but anyway)
[05:10] <Karti> __Blue2__: if you have th edesktop already you don't need to do that
[05:10] <tim> im not sure im just getting and installing the files now
[05:10] <__Blue2__> i have kde. it always crashed.. so i just wanna update it . :)
[05:10] <tim> karti you any good with wireless chipsets ?
[05:11] <Ralesk> __Blue2__: look at the link pag posted then
[05:11] <__Blue2__> ok .. thanx..
[05:11] <Karti> tim: I only use a usb one, but if you ask others may be able to help
[05:11] <tim> which usb one you use
[05:11] <Karti> belkin
[05:11] <tim> because im finding it way hard to install the chipset for mine
[05:11] <tim> all the helps just lead to dead ends for me
[05:12] <Ralesk> other than that, first update your apt  (sudo apt-get update).  Then you can choose to upgrade (which will install the newer versions of everything, without removing or installing new stuff though)
[05:12] <Ralesk> (the latter is done with sudo apt-get upgrade, surprisingly :))
[05:12] <Karti> 7.04 picked mine up automatically but I had to add wep etc and it was away
[05:13] <tim> can you send me a link for the adding wep please and i might just go out and buy one
[05:13] <__Blue2__> Ralesk: so " sudo apt-get upgrade kde-dekstop " is ok ?
[05:13] <Ralesk> just upgrade
[05:13] <tim> cause this dells WL card isnt working anytime soon
[05:13] <Ralesk> it doesn't take any package names as parameters
[05:14] <Karti> Ralesk: is there a major difference between the KDE for 7.04 and the latest or are they both the same?
[05:14] <Karti> tim: what is the chipset and I will have a look as well
[05:14] <Ralesk> iunno, maybe minor, sub-version fixes, dunno
[05:14] <tim> ok the chipsets are bcmwl5.inf and sys
[05:15] <tim> theres loads to do with it its just i cannot get passed a certian bit it always seems to dead en
[05:15] <Ralesk> __Blue2__: I /think/ that apt-get install whatever does actually try to install the newest version of the whatever even if the whatever is already installed, but I'm not sure.
[05:15] <tim> karti select deaulft display is that kdm
[05:15] <Ralesk> in any case, an upgade is the safest bet, that's what you'll want to do and cross your fingers that it fixes your problem :)
[05:15] <Karti> yes
[05:16] <drif> Ralesk: hehe, safest bet - but still keep fingers crossed eh?
[05:16] <Karti> are you in the GUI yet
[05:16] <Karti> !wireless
[05:16] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[05:16] <tim> well if i drop out ill be back in a few seconds casue im asuming that i need a restart and yea ive been in gnoe but
[05:16] <drif> tim: restart for what?
[05:16] <Ralesk> drif: well, safe it is, but it's not sure it actually fixes __Blue2__'s issues ^^;
[05:17] <drif> tim: you rarely need to restart unix based OS
[05:17] <tim> well i dunno its installing kde and i thoguht maybe to change from gnome to kde you need restart
[05:17] <drif> tim: if it's X you need to restart press ctrl+alt+backspace
[05:17] <drif> tim: and you're back to login
[05:17] <tim> nah dont need to restart x
[05:17] <Karti> !factoids
[05:17] <databuddy> Fact:  The white part of your fingernail is called the lunula.
[05:17] <ubotu> I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots
[05:18] <__Blue2__> what happens if i reinstall newest kde while i have older one.
[05:18] <drif> tim: from there chooce as kde session
[05:18] <drif> choose
[05:18] <Naugas> Hi! I have to unmount, then remount to get my files and folders on ntfs partitions with native characters to show. Doesn't the boot process use fstab or??? using sv_SE.UTF-8
[05:18] <drif> tim: I believe you do - if you want to access that kde desktop
[05:19] <Ralesk> Naugas: using fuse or normal ntfs?
[05:19] <Naugas> fuse
[05:19] <tim> well im using gnome almost done installing kde and im just warning karti if i drop out it might be a restart because i belive hes tryign to help me with wirless
[05:19] <Naugas> should I use locale= in fstab instead of nls=?
[05:19] <drif> tim: ah, ok
[05:19] <Karti> !wireless | tim
[05:19] <ubotu> tim: Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[05:20] <palini> Hola
[05:20] <Ralesk> yes
[05:20] <Karti> There is another site that has all the chipsets that work with Ubuntu and Linux but I can't remember it at the moment
[05:20] <tim> ok thanks
[05:20] <drif> tim: still wondering what you mean by restart though
[05:20] <Ralesk> Naugas: indeed, nls is unsupported in ntfs-3g
[05:20] <tim> turn off the computer and turn back on hehehe
[05:20] <drif> tim: no need
[05:20] <tim> well it cant obviosuly just pecie it all togeather while im still on can it ?
[05:20] <palini> algun manual para instalar beryl+compiz en kubuntu?
[05:20] <Naugas> hmm, but why does it work when I remount then?
[05:20] <drif> tim: you can install devices drivers or remove them without restart
[05:21] <Karti> drif: he got you there ;)
[05:21] <Ralesk> hmmm, good question -- maybe then your environment's locale settings get taken into account?
[05:21] <BluesKaj> i'm using konq as my default browser and I would like it open new URLs in a new tab ...what setting do I have to set up to do so ?
[05:22] <tim> im so happy when i go to turkey
[05:22] <tim> no more confusing comptuers for a week
[05:22] <Ralesk> BluesKaj: Configure, Web Behaviour
[05:23] <tim> mmmmmm might try wireless again after kde
[05:23] <Ralesk> BluesKaj: do you want to also close tabs with middle-click like in every other browser?
[05:23] <Naugas> Ralesk: Well, I'll try using locale in fstab instead. If it works, should I report it somewhere, since it's basically a fresh install of Gutsy tribe 4?
[05:24] <Ralesk> oh, they wrote ntfs-3g BUT nls in it?  that'd be a bug
[05:24] <BluesKaj> Ralesk, ok, i shudda noticed that , found it ...too bad they bury the setting 3 menu levels down :)
[05:24] <tim> ok its finsihed with the kde install but i cant see a change in desktop enviroment
[05:24] <Ralesk> BluesKaj: yeah :)
[05:25] <drif> tim: did you ctrl+alt+backspace?
[05:25] <drif> tim: and login again
[05:25] <ari_> hi. i'm trying to install cedega and while i run the script, i get an error message telling me that line 628 in some file is fucked up and that an other file doesn't exist. how do i fix this thing ?!?
[05:25] <drif> I guess he did now..
[05:25] <BluesKaj> Ralesk, what's the setting for the middle -click close action?
[05:25] <Ralesk> just a moment, BluesKaj
[05:26] <tim> i just did then
[05:26] <Karti> tim: This should get your wireless going - http://backports.ubuntuforums.com/showthread.php?t=507505
[05:26] <tim> and still no change in desktop enviroment
[05:26] <tim> and thanks karti
[05:26] <PriceChild> ari_, In purchasing cedega, you have also purchased support from transgaming.org Please go to their forums and request help.
[05:26] <Ralesk> BluesKaj: in ~/.kde/share/config/konquerorrc, in the section [FMSettings]  put MouseMiddleClickClosesTab=true
[05:26] <Karti> tim: are you in the GUI or commandline?
[05:26] <drif> tim: did you choose the new session type
[05:26] <tim> gui
[05:26] <ari_> PriceChild: i downloaded the cvs free version thing
[05:27] <PriceChild> ari_, :S
[05:27] <tim> and i dont know how to choose new session type pressed ctrl+ alt+backspace and asked me to login in cmd lin and then came back with gui login
[05:27] <drif> tim: your default session type is still gnome - you need to change it on login window
[05:27] <Karti> tim: you need to select the KDE session
[05:27] <__Blue2__> i gave up about kde for now .. i m just wondering if it's possible to update any program by using " apt-get " ?
[05:27] <kbuntu> need some help please, i can't connect to a hub with dcgui ..
[05:27] <tim> how do i select kde session
[05:28] <Ralesk> __Blue2__: yes, that's what apt-get upgrade does :)
[05:28] <Karti> right click on the session and you should get the session types
[05:28] <Access> hello, hello. Another convert from Windows signing in!
[05:28] <Arwen> "convert"?
[05:28] <tim> where abotu is it
[05:28] <Access> Got fet up with Vista :P
[05:28] <Access> *fed
[05:28] <Karti> logon page
[05:28] <tim> sorry im sounding reallt dumb but i didnt see any thing about session
[05:28] <BluesKaj> Ralesk,  settings is still opening a new window instead of a new tab within an existing one
[05:28] <tim> just user name and password really
[05:28] <t4m1n0> hello there
[05:28] <Ralesk> Access: I can understand that :)  *hugs his precious XP on the other partition*
[05:29] <Daisuke_Laptop> oi
[05:29] <t4m1n0> does anyone here uses Xchat? I don't where can I put a port for BNC
[05:29] <arash> access - tell me about it
[05:29] <Ralesk> BluesKaj: close konqueror and open again?
[05:29] <Access> hehehe :D
[05:29] <Karti> tim sometimes the graphics is higher on the start screen. MOve your mouse about to the edges and see if it moves
[05:29] <doug_> does anyone know in kernel config what cpu the centrino would be?  386, 486, 586?
[05:29] <martijn81> Karti: weird url of ubuntuforums :S
[05:29] <drif> tiola: options on below -> change session
[05:29] <drif> sorry not tiole
[05:29] <drif> tiola
[05:29] <drif> tim
[05:29] <drif> got tab-backfired :D
[05:30] <Daisuke_Laptop> *t
[05:30] <Karti> martijn81: That was for Tims wireless issue
[05:30] <Ralesk> doug_: I think it's at least an i686  (so anything except 486 should be a safe bet if i remember correctly)
[05:30] <martijn81> i know, but still a weird ulr :)
[05:30] <Karti> lol
[05:30] <drif> tim: can you see 'Options' text on bottom of the login screen?
[05:30] <debiani386> morning every1
[05:31] <doug_> Ralesk: the options i have are 386, 486, 586, Pentium-Classic, Pentium-MMX, Pentium-Pro
[05:31] <debiani386> . o (id choose 486, but i tend to like older computers)
[05:31] <drif> tim: kde now?
[05:31] <debiani386> . o (the mmx was my fav too)
[05:31] <Karti> drif: this is sooooooooooo exciting!
[05:31] <tim> yes thank you very much you guys
[05:32] <Ralesk> debiani386: we need a good choice for a centrino :)
[05:32] <tim> ok now who wants to help tim get wireless lmao
[05:32] <drif> Karti: the suspension you mean? ;)
[05:32] <debiani386> hmm pentium MMS
[05:32] <tim> now that we spent liek and hour on just kde
[05:32] <debiani386> mmx*
[05:32] <debiani386> the faster out of the pentium 1 class
[05:32] <debiani386> from my experience
[05:32] <doug_> debiani386: really mmx would work for pentium m?
[05:32] <Karti> drif: of course!
[05:32] <Access> I hate to sound like a cliche, but I have a n00b question. Have a GeForce 7600 GS and cant manage to get the resolution to go beyond 1024x768? Do I just have to download a video card driver, it seems the Device Manager identifies it correctly though.
[05:32] <rustalot> hey guys, kbuntu doesn't work on my laptop, so I'm looking for another (fairly) easy-to-use distro with KDE. Do you have any suggestions?
[05:33] <Karti> tim: look here - http://backports.ubuntuforums.com/showthread.php?t=507505
[05:33] <debiani386> it would be best to download and install the driver
[05:33] <Ralesk> Access: could well be a monitor issue... or monitor detection issue
[05:33] <debiani386> thatway you can get a higher res and even opengl accelleration
[05:33] <tim> well i got the drivers
[05:33] <zipper> rustalot, you sure that it is a (k)ubuntu issue, and not a linux issue?
[05:33] <tim> its just the instalation dosnt go too well
[05:33] <drif> !doesntwork
[05:33] <ubotu> Doesn't work is a strong statement. Does it sit on the couch all day? Does it want more money? Is it on IRC all the time? Please be specific! Examples of what doesn't work tend to help too.
[05:33] <debiani386> tim >> did you chmod the installation file?
[05:33] <Karti> tim: Try the instructions and see how you get on, its using ndiswrapper
[05:33] <drif> !doesntwork > rustalot
[05:33] <kbuntu> can anyone please help me with dcgui ?!?!?!
[05:33] <tim> ok
[05:33] <Access> Excellent I was going to ask about 3D acceleration it seems to be non existent. Am I a fool for thinking Nvidia have Linux drivers from there site?
[05:34] <tim> and ubot it dose sit ont he couch all day :P
[05:34] <zipper> Access, not at all, they're there
[05:34] <Karti> Access, yes they do
[05:34] <Access> Excellent
[05:34] <pag> !nv | Access
[05:34] <tim> well karti im sure ill be back soon to bug you more
[05:34] <ubotu> Access: To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[05:34] <Arwen> !nvidia | Access
[05:34] <zipper> Access, but it's usually not the way to go. There is a guide on the wiki on how to install nvidia drivers
[05:34] <zipper> argh
[05:34] <zipper> i'm too slow =(
[05:34] <Access> GoGood to know the big guys support it
[05:34] <Karti> tim: no probs ;)
[05:34] <Access> Oh I see
[05:34] <Arwen> yep, it's not like ATI
[05:34] <doug_> debiani386: what was your opinion?
[05:35] <BluesKaj> nope, Ralesk , konq still opens a new window with each URL
[05:35] <debiani386> tim >> after you download it, cd into the director you downloaded it to, chmod +x [filename] , then sudo ./[filename] 
[05:35] <debiani386> then it should install
[05:35] <Ralesk> Access: nvidia's drivers are actually pretty good from what I heard -- I'm stuck on ati and want to strangle ati devs
[05:35] <tim> yo deb explain a little more i
[05:35] <tim> im not following completely
[05:35] <zipper> i love nvidia drivers, and while ATI's have become better they're still way inferior to nvidias
[05:35] <Ralesk> BluesKaj: ahhhh you mean external URLs fed to it to remain in the one window?
[05:35] <Access> Hahah yeah ever since Nvidia swalloed up 3Dfx they have had the best software people.
[05:36] <Arwen> zipper, become better? I haven't seen any improvements actually.
[05:36] <BluesKaj> yes Ralesk
[05:36] <debiani386> tim >> just download the file
[05:36] <Ralesk> BluesKaj: I don't use that setting, but I'll see if I can make it happen, just a mo
[05:36] <rustalot> drif: it won't give me a GUI; kdm is all messed up
[05:36] <doug_> anyone help please?
[05:36] <Karti> brb
[05:36] <tim> ok
[05:36] <debiani386> tim >> then change the directory to the directory the file is in (by using the console)
[05:36] <tim> im downloding now some gay warning about windows came up
[05:36] <debiani386> tim >> chmod +x [filename] 
[05:36] <Access> Now about Samba, did I need a seperate partian for a windows machine to access files on this comp?
[05:37] <debiani386> tim >> sudo ./[filename] 
[05:37] <Access> *partitian
[05:37] <rustalot> drif: and I got the thing about "cannot access tty; job control turned off"
[05:37] <zipper> Arwen, well, maybe i'm biased... dont have much experience with ATI to be honest, but a couple of years ago they were nearly useless. At least now it is actually possible to get them to work.
[05:37] <Ralesk> BluesKaj: it works for me and I haven't even restarted the damn thing :)
[05:37] <tim> deb does it matter that its a .exe
[05:37] <drif> rustalot: someone else here had the same thing I recall
[05:37] <doug_> Ralesk: do you have any idea or a forum where i can go?
[05:37] <debiani386> tim >> yes
[05:37] <debiani386> tim >> you need to download the linux one
[05:37] <debiani386> not the windows one
[05:37] <Ralesk> doug_: what was your question again? ^^;
[05:37] <kbuntu> HOW TO USE DCGUI !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[05:37] <tim> well i got sent link to windows
[05:37] <Arwen> zipper, ah. I thought you meant recently.
[05:37] <debiani386> the *.exe is linux
[05:37] <drif> Access: not quite following..
[05:38] <rustalot> drif: so I followed thee 'updated fix' here : http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=421588&page=2
[05:38] <debiani386> tim >> hmm
[05:38] <debiani386> tim >> you may need to get the opensource driver
[05:38] <Ralesk> BluesKaj: hmm, did you check the last thingy in the Advanced Options button?
[05:38] <doug_> Ralesk: What cpu type to choose in kernel config
[05:38] <debiani386> tim .> for that, youi need to download envy
[05:38] <rustalot> drif: that's when I got to the kdm being screwed up bit
[05:38] <tim> http://support.gateway.com/support/drivers/getFile.asp?id=20712&dscr=Gateway%20Broadcom%20Wireless%20Network%20DriversVersion:%203.100.64.1&uid=16644933
[05:38] <tim> thats what i got sent and download envy
[05:38] <tim> ??
[05:38] <tim> so sudo apt-get install envy
[05:38] <Ralesk> ah... well um, debiani386 recommended pentium-mmx, and that sounds the closest to whatever you may have.  safest bet is i386.
[05:38] <debiani386> i downloaded envy from google
[05:39] <arash> Hi, I'm using a very powerful computer, sitll easy window handling (moving around a window) is slow and it takes time for the windows to show the content (they start out blank when I unminimize them), any ideas?
[05:39] <Access> drif: I wish for a windows machine to access a sort of "Shared Docs" on this Ubuntu machine. I assume Samba is what I use? And from what I hear it requires a partitian that windows can "See"... am I mistaken?
[05:39] <debiani386> heres the link to envy: www.debianadmin.com/envy-ati-and-nvidia-drivers-installation-made-easy.html
[05:39] <rustalot> but I got a KNOPPIX disk running KDE 3 & Kernel 2.4 and it booted ok
[05:39] <Arwen> I've got a problem with kaffeine and subtitles. Whenever two people are talking at the same time, the subtitles are drawn on top of each other, leading to an unreadable mess. Anyone have any ideas?
[05:39] <tim> ok
[05:39] <doug_> Ralesk: thanks
[05:40] <drif> Access: you're mistaken :D
[05:40] <Access> Excellent :D
[05:40] <Access> Thankyou muchly
[05:40] <Ralesk> arash: what graphics card do you have?
[05:40] <arash> Arwen - maybe KDE channel know that better, but I'm no expert ;)
[05:40] <Access> To google I go!
[05:40] <arash> Ralesk - hmm, any easy way to check that?
[05:40] <Arwen> arash, yeah, this is irritating. One would think that 5 lines of code could fix it.
[05:41] <Ralesk> arash: do an lspci and look for a vga controller or somesuch
[05:42] <arash> 02:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation Unknown device 0193 (rev a2)
[05:42] <tim> deb you do knwo envy is for gfx cards ??
[05:42] <Ralesk> arash: ah
[05:43] <debiani386> tim >> it is
[05:43] <debiani386> tim >> its compatible with nvidia and ati cards
[05:43] <arash> Vista said it was "GeForce 8800 GTS" I think
[05:43] <tim> im doing wireless cards
[05:43] <tim> im doing a broadcom wireless card
[05:44] <Arwen> I know that envy is crap..
[05:44] <debiani386> ok well, then open the terminal
[05:44] <Ralesk> I have an ati and never had an nvidia before so I can't help...  you could try to install envy (it's just being talked about here right now) which installs the proprietary drivers for nvidia (and ati) cards
[05:44] <debiani386> and type ndiswrapper
[05:44] <Ralesk> or you could get the driver from nvidia's site directly
[05:44] <tim> im doing the brocom wireless card with the bcmwl5.inf and sys drivers
[05:44] <arash> ok thanks Ralesk :)
[05:44] <debiani386> tim >> do you have ndiswrapper installed?
[05:44] <tim> yep done
[05:44] <tim> yea
[05:44] <arash> Ralesk, which is easier?
[05:44] <tim> i do
[05:45] <debiani386> ok
[05:45] <debiani386> so
[05:45] <debiani386> open the console
[05:45] <tim> open the console ?
[05:45] <debiani386> the terminal i mean
[05:45] <tim> ok ] 
[05:45] <Ralesk> arash: envy was made so that it's easier to install these drivers, but as an ati user I never had any good results (but... I blame ati for being terrible coders)
[05:45] <tim> sorry should have guessed
[05:45] <debiani386> now do you have the individual files or just the one exe file
[05:46] <tim> its indiviual drivers
[05:46] <Ralesk> the nvidia driver is much better in quality, so you're likely to have success :)
[05:46] <tim> ok bcmwl5.inf and bcmwl5.sys on my desktop
[05:46] <debiani386> ok in the terminal
[05:46] <debiani386> cd over to the directory where all the drivers are
[05:46] <tim> see i dont knwo what that means
[05:46] <debiani386> then type ndiswrapper -i bcmwl5.inf
[05:46] <tim> cd over to the directory
[05:46] <Ralesk> arash: sudo apt-get install envy  --- and if it doesn't work, then to uninstall, do a sudo apt-get remove --purge envy  (write this up somewhere)
[05:47] <tim> already installed cause i tried it earlyer
[05:47] <debiani386> ok type depmod -a
[05:47] <debiani386> then after thats done, type modprove
[05:47] <debiani386> modprobe**
[05:47] <tim> it said fatal erroe
[05:47] <tim> coudlnt open it
[05:48] <arash> Ralesk, so you think envy is better than going to nvidia site?
[05:48] <debiani386> it said that when you did depmod?
[05:48] <tim> yea im just swtiching to root to try it
[05:48] <debiani386> ok
[05:48] <Ralesk> arash: it's made for easy installing, but that's all I know about it really
[05:48] <Ralesk> try it first.
[05:48] <tim> ok said nothign then went to next line
[05:48] <tim> im asuming it let me do it
[05:48] <Ralesk> it'll just ask a few things and tell you what to do
[05:49] <tim> typed modprobe and came up with the commands
[05:49] <arash> it couldnt find envy ....
[05:49] <arash> (apt-get couldnt find)
[05:49] <debiani386> oh wait
[05:49] <debiani386> modprobe ndiswrapper
[05:49] <debiani386> sorry
[05:49] <tim> root@tim-laptop:~# modprobe ndiswrapper
[05:49] <tim> FATAL: Error inserting ndiswrapper (/lib/modules/2.6.15-28-386/kernel/drivers/net/ndiswrapper/ndiswrapper.ko): Invalid argument
[05:49] <Ralesk> o_o  for me neither... damn!
[05:50] <tim> this is where i always get stuck
[05:50] <Ralesk> lemme google it
[05:50] <debiani386> you may need to remove and reinstall ndiswrapper
[05:50] <Ralesk> http://albertomilone.com/nvidia_scripts1.html > arash
[05:51] <tim> ok ..... so sudo apt-get remove ndiswrapper
[05:51] <debiani386> ya
[05:51] <tim> couldnt find just ndiswrapper so im gunner do ndiswrapper-utils
[05:52] <tim> ok ndiswrapper-utils is removed
[05:52] <tim> i use ndiswrapper-utils cause no other seems avalible
[05:54] <tim> debain you there ??
[05:54] <debiani386> yes
[05:55] <slawek__> hello
[05:55] <tim> uninstalled ndiswrapper
[05:55] <slawek__> i need drivers to motorola v547
[05:55] <tim> well ndiswrapper-utils
[05:55] <slawek__> cell phone under ubuntu
[05:55] <debiani386> ok so now install it
[05:55] <debiani386> sudo apt-get install ndiswrapper-utils
[05:55] <slawek__> please give me a link to a website
[05:55] <slawek__> ?
[05:55] <slawek__> ?
[05:55] <tim> done
[05:56] <slawek__> hey!!!!!
[05:56] <slawek__> ;-(
[05:56] <debiani386> ok so cd into the directory where hte drivers are
[05:56] <tim> ok
[05:56] <pag> !patience | slawek__
[05:56] <ubotu> slawek__: The people here are volunteers, your attitude may determine how fast you are helped.  Not everyone is available all the time, likewise not every answer is available instantly. See also http://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcGuidelines
[05:56] <debiani386> then ndiswrapper -i [theinffile.inf] 
[05:57] <rustalot> my ethernet card is made by broadcom, how do I make it work?
[05:57] <tim> root@tim-laptop:~# sudo ndiswrapper -i ~/desktop/bcmwl5.inf
[05:57] <tim> bcmwl5 is already installed. Use -e to remove it
[05:57] <tim> root@tim-laptop:~# sudo ndiswrapper -e ~/desktop/bcmwl5.inf
[05:57] <tim> Driver /root/desktop/bcmwl5.inf is not installed.Use -l to list installed drivers
[05:57] <tim> root@tim-laptop:~#
[05:57] <slawek__> anybody available to help me?
[05:57] <debiani386> ok use ndiswrapper -l
[05:57] <debiani386> see what is installed
[05:58] <zipper> rustalot, you're in for a lot of fun... people usually tend to have a lot of trouble with broadcom (including myself. In the end, i had to give up. Ndiswrapper was simply too unreliable with WPA)
[05:58] <Access> Hello again, I seemingly have change the file associations of certain files. What does .run files meant to be opened with?
[05:58] <tim> root@tim-laptop:~# ndiswrapper -l
[05:58] <tim> Installed ndis drivers:
[05:58] <tim> bcmwl5  invalid driver!
[05:58] <zipper> Access, .run files are usually executables
[05:58] <debiani386> so try ndiswrapper -e bcmwl5
[05:59] <Access> zipper: How do I make it know that, it keeps trying to open it in firefox :P (yeah yeah, im not sure what ive done)
[05:59] <tim> ok did that and it went to next line
[05:59] <rustalot> zipper: I know... when I got it, I made sure I had intel wireless, but I didn't expect to have problems with the ethernet!
[05:59] <slawek__> ..
[05:59] <Access> (yeah yeah im an idiot I know it :P, hehhe)
[06:00] <tim> rustalot know a good usb wireless which will work
[06:00] <tim> or a card to slam into the extension slot
[06:00] <zipper> Access, never had any trouble with wired ethernet... so not sure what issues you could be dealing with. Only tried broadcom wireless chips
[06:00] <debiani386> linksys work excellent with ubuntu
[06:00] <slawek__> kurfa mac
[06:01] <debiani386> my linksys should be arriving soon
[06:01] <tim> are they easy to install or maybe auto install
[06:01] <rustalot> the wireless will work fine, it's Intel. The wired connection is having problems.
[06:01] <tim> which modle
[06:01] <debiani386> there easy to install and the ubuntu help forums have guides for installation
[06:01] <tim> im looking for a wireless card
[06:01] <Ralesk> Access: just open a terminal go to the directory and run the file :)
[06:01] <Access> Ahh okay
[06:01] <tim> so linksys what modle number
[06:01] <Access> Thanks Ralesk
[06:01] <debiani386> and furthermore, there supported natively by ubuntu
[06:01] <debiani386> lemme check
[06:01] <debiani386> the WUSB54GS is the one ill be setting up
[06:02] <debiani386> its really small too, about the size of a large thumb drive
[06:02] <tim> usb or extension slot
[06:02] <Access> Speaking of which, how do I access other computers My g/fs comp is called "Belzara" typing "\\Belzara" in a location bar doesnt seem to work :P
[06:02] <tim> and what wireless it on 802. ??
[06:02] <Ralesk> smb:/
[06:02] <debiani386> this one supports b.g
[06:02] <debiani386> b/g**
[06:02] <tim> ok good good
[06:03] <Ralesk> and then hope you're able to browse the SMB network :)  > Access
[06:03] <debiani386> actually is just g
[06:03] <debiani386> with speed booster
[06:03] <debiani386> well, g/b excuse me
[06:03] <tim> ok
[06:03] <debiani386> . o (would help if i read the entire thing)
[06:03] <debiani386> . o (:P )
[06:04] <tim> yo deb is this it
[06:04] <tim> http://www.amazon.co.uk/Linksys-Wireless-G-Network-SpeedBooster-WUSB54GS/dp/B000BZU5A4/ref=sr_1_1/202-0264062-5969409?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1188230623&sr=1-1
[06:05] <debiani386> oh wait no woops
[06:05] <debiani386> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16833124076 this ones it
[06:06] <Ralesk> well anyway, bye all for now
[06:06] <drif> laters Ralesk
[06:06] <tim> cya ralesk
[06:06] <guille> hello
[06:06] <guille> i just installed kubunto 7.04
[06:07] <guille> i am new on linux
[06:07] <guille> so i need some help,
[06:07] <guille> anyone?
[06:07] <tim> mmmmm any one know how to install edimax stuff
[06:07] <Ahmuck> sup guille
[06:07] <debiani386> tim if you want the guide, here it is http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=225206
[06:07] <debiani386> just shows you how to install it with ndiswrapper
[06:07] <guille> right now i am upgrading everything with something called adept manager
[06:09] <pondus> .q
[06:09] <pondus> how do i wuit a channel in bitchx?
[06:09] <Daisuke_Laptop> use /part to leave a channel
[06:09] <pondus> *quit
[06:09] <pondus> ok
[06:09] <pondus> thanks
[06:09] <Daisuke_Laptop> use /quit to leave irc altogether
[06:10] <Access> Hmm is ther anyway to access SMB without Nautilus? (besides the terminal of course)
[06:10] <Daisuke_Laptop> konqueror
[06:10] <Daisuke_Laptop> smb:/host
[06:10] <Access> sweet thanks!
[06:10] <Daisuke_Laptop> mmmkay, got my new bookcase put together
[06:11] <Daisuke_Laptop> makes me happy
[06:11] <tim> well i think i might retire for now
[06:11] <debiani386> k bye tim
[06:11] <tim> ive just orderd new WL card and book
[06:11] <tim> laters debain
[06:13] <rustalot> I'm installing in text mode, and it's been stuck at 85% installed for a while now : "Installed openoffice.org-java-common"
[06:13] <rustalot> I'ts not using the disk, either
[06:13] <tim> oh yea one mroe question how do you register with RCI
[06:13] <pag> !register | tim
[06:13] <ubotu> tim: Information about registering your Freenode nick is at http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#contents-userregistration
[06:14] <McBee> HI.. I'M USING KUBUNTU DAPPER AND I NEED INSTALL LINUX-IMAGE-2.6.22-RC3.. HOW CAN I DO IT?
[06:14] <pag> !caps | McBee
[06:14] <ubotu> McBee: PLEASE DON'T SHOUT! We can read lowercase too.
[06:14] <jussi01> !caps | McBee
[06:14] <coreymon77> McBee: can you please not use caps
[06:14] <coreymon77> McBee: we can see you perfectly with lower case
[06:14] <McBee> coreymon77.`-> i'm sorry :)
[06:15] <coreymon77> McBee: no problem
[06:15] <coreymon77> McBee: doesnt adept-updater work?
[06:15] <sparr> i have an onscreen keyboard.  when i use it to type into firefox's address bar, the autocomplete dropdown steals mouse focus AND appears on top of my 'on top of everything'-set keyboard.  can kwin help with either of those?
[06:16] <coreymon77> sparr: you can shut of autocomplete
[06:16] <McBee> coreymon77.`-> yes.. but linux-image.2.6.22 doesn't exist
[06:16] <sparr> coreymon77: so tempting.  id rather find a WM solution
[06:16] <tim> Drunken piggy register
[06:16] <tim> Drunken piggy register
[06:17] <Daisuke_Laptop> i thought we were just using .20 in feisty
[06:17] <Daisuke_Laptop> oh wow, he's actually using dapper (was in the caps, which i tend to ignore)
[06:18] <tim> register
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[06:19] <coreymon77> sparr: well just shutting off autocomplete is my suggestion, i dont really know of another way
[06:20] <sparr> window specific settings > workarounds
[06:20] <Daisuke_Laptop> too bad there's no firefox setting: don't steal focus.
[06:20] <sparr> this is the solution suggested elsewhere, might work
[06:20] <Daisuke_Laptop> whoa.  if there is one, that's where it would be D:
[06:20] <Daisuke_Laptop> :D
[06:20] <coreymon77> Daisuke_Laptop:
[06:20] <coreymon77> Daisuke_Laptop: you knwo, there is probably an extension for that
[06:20] <coreymon77> Daisuke_Laptop: knowing firefox
[06:20] <tim> register
[06:21] <jussi01> tim: what are you trying to do?
[06:21] <tim> set hide email on
[06:21] <coreymon77> tim:
[06:21] <guille> i need to install something to meka amarok play mp3
[06:21] <coreymon77> tim: /msg nickserv set hide email on
[06:21] <guille> what is it? i am already in adept manager btw
[06:21] <jussi01> !mp3 | guille
[06:21] <tim> set email <drunken_piggy@oink.co.uk>
[06:21] <ubotu> guille: For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[06:21] <tim> register <2323812>
[06:22] <coreymon77> no
[06:22] <coreymon77> tim:  you have to type exactly this
[06:22] <germaine> french room pls
[06:22] <McBee> i need install linux-image.2.6.22-rc3 and i'm using kubuntu dapper. how can I do it?
[06:22] <coreymon77> tim: /msg nickserv set hide email on (dont replace email with your email)
[06:22] <mrksbrd> i'm having trouble getting connected via wifi, it worked when i just had ubuntu installed , but when i installed KDE environment all went away
[06:22] <coreymon77> tim: email is a tag
[06:23] <soa2ii> Hi there!
[06:23] <coreymon77> mrksbrd: what card?
[06:23] <soa2ii> I just installed Kubuntu and aptitude shows nice font cache error after an initial dist-upgrade....
[06:23] <guille> hi using an ati graphic card, i experienced some problems any idea?
[06:23] <mrksbrd> it is a intel pro wireless(built in)
[06:24] <soa2ii> smth like that:
[06:24] <soa2ii> /usr/share/fonts/truetype/ttf-malayalam-fonts: failed to write cache
[06:24] <soa2ii> /usr/share/fonts/truetype/ttf-mgopen: failed to write cache
[06:24] <soa2ii> /usr/share/fonts/truetype/ttf-oriya-fonts: failed to write cache
[06:24] <soa2ii> /usr/share/fonts/truetype/ttf-punjabi-fonts: failed to write cache
[06:24] <soa2ii> /usr/share/fonts/truetype/ttf-tamil-fonts: failed to write cache
[06:24] <jussi01> !ati | guille
[06:24] <ubotu> guille: To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[06:24] <jussi01> !paste | soa2ii
[06:24] <germaine> who know  french room irc kubuntu
[06:24] <ubotu> soa2ii: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[06:24] <germaine> link
[06:24] <germaine> pls
[06:24] <pag> !fr | germaine
[06:24] <ubotu> germaine: Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.
[06:24] <jussi01> !fr | germaine
[06:24] <germaine> ty usotu
[06:24] <coreymon77> mrksbrd: chipset?
[06:24] <soa2ii> can anyone help me with that problem?
[06:24] <mrksbrd> let me check
[06:25] <mrksbrd> 02:02.0 Network controller: Intel Corporation PRO/Wireless 2200BG Network Connection (rev 05)
[06:26] <soa2ii> noone?
[06:26] <guille> what was the problem soa2ii?
[06:26] <jussi01> Dont paste it again!!!!
[06:26] <pag> soa2ii, " find /usr/share/fonts /usr/local/share/fonts /var/lib/defoma/fontconfig.d -type d -print0 | sudo xargs --null touch "
[06:26] <soa2ii> i made an dist-upgrade (just installed kubuntu) and aptitude shows a lot of font chace errors
[06:26] <pag> soa2ii, put that in Konsole - iirc that should work
[06:27] <arunkale> is anyone here using thunderbird 2?
[06:27] <Angelus> can someone help me with the folowwing error?
[06:27] <Angelus> http://rafb.net/p/inoKEj38.html
[06:28] <soa2ii> pag thx (:
[06:28] <mrksbrd> coreymon77, it is showing connected to the router, but will not connect to internet
[06:28] <coreymon77> mrksbrd: okay, give me a sec
[06:29] <sparr> is there a panel applet that will give me small icons (in multiple rows, like quick launcher) for launching non-kde applications?
[06:29] <Drunken_piggy> mmm
[06:30] <guille> Man i just love linux
[06:30] <Ahmuck> has yaquake been removed from the ubuntu repositories?
[06:31] <pag> !info yakuake
[06:31] <ubotu> yakuake: a Quake-style terminal emulator based on KDE Konsole technology. In component universe, is optional. Version 2.7.5-4ubuntu2 (feisty), package size 73 kB, installed size 512 kB
[06:32] <Ahmuck> paq, it is not coming up in adept or aptitude
[06:32] <coreymon77> okay
[06:32] <pag> Ahmuck, well do you have Universe enabled?
[06:32] <coreymon77> mrksbrd: so, you are sure its connected t your network?
[06:32] <genii> for general info, that author last updated yakuake in mid 2005, so it looks to be abandonware
[06:33] <tim> m
[06:33] <Ahmuck> i have everything enabled
[06:33] <Ahmuck> i have even tried different servers
[06:33] <coreymon77> mrksbrd: try pinging your router, see if it works
[06:33] <pag> Ahmuck, feisty?
[06:33] <Ahmuck> is it possible i am getting intercepted for my packages?
[06:33] <Ahmuck> paq yes feisty
[06:33] <mrksbrd> shows a sig meter w/91 sig strength, is ther e a manual command to double check??????????
[06:33] <pag> Ahmuck, try copy-pasteing that line: sudo apt-get install yakuake
[06:33] <mrksbrd> k
[06:34] <Jucato> Ahmuck: yakuake
[06:34] <Ahmuck> ah, there is the problem, ok
[06:34] <Jucato> it's yakuake not yaquake
[06:34] <Ahmuck> thx, jucato
[06:34] <Jucato> no prob :)
[06:34] <Ahmuck> yep, i musta had gaming in my head
[06:35] <radius> does anyone use a 3270 emulator for kubuntu?
[06:35] <radius> x3270 is limited
[06:35] <Jucato> Ahmuck: that's how it's pronounced though. so you're partly right. but it's KDE.. so there's a K :)
[06:35] <mrksbrd> hmmmmm, no relplies
[06:36] <coreymon77> mrksbrd: well then, you clearly arent connected
[06:36] <Drunken> fef
[06:36] <Drunken> e
[06:36] <coreymon77> mrksbrd: okay, tpye iwconfig
[06:37] <coreymon77> mrksbrd: it should say beside a bunch of them, no wireless connections, and then say your network info beside one of them
[06:38] <coreymon77> mrksbrd: does it?
[06:38] <mrksbrd> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/35266/
[06:38] <jhutchins> !info yaquake
[06:38] <ubotu> Package yaquake does not exist in feisty, feisty-seveas
[06:39] <genii> k not q
[06:39] <Ahmuck> is there a tool to install upon intial installation that will build md5 sums of installed packages to burn to cd that one can check against for changes?
[06:40] <pontiac> somme de controle md5
[06:40] <coreymon77> mrksbrd: okay
[06:40] <coreymon77> mrksbrd: so your interface is eth1
[06:40] <mrksbrd> yes
[06:40] <coreymon77> mrksbrd:i take it you know your networks essid and wep key?
[06:40] <Drunken> hay any one have a edimax WL card
[06:40] <pontiac> y a   des lettre qui se sont affich
[06:40] <pontiac> avec des chiffre
[06:40] <mrksbrd> yes
[06:41] <coreymon77> !fr | pontiac
[06:41] <ubotu> pontiac: Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.
[06:41] <Drunken> you know how to install a usb one ?
[06:41] <radius> guess no one uses terminal emulators except for me
[06:41] <coreymon77> mrksbrd: okay, so type this
[06:42] <coreymon77> mrksbrd: sudo iwconfig eth1 essid (your essid) key (your wep key)
[06:42] <zblach__> quick thing. Kicker is locked, and I can't unlock it. how can i manually unlock?
[06:42] <Drunken> mrksbrd you any idea how to set one up
[06:42] <coreymon77> essid and key are tags so dont replace them, replace the brackets stuff
[06:43] <mrksbrd> ok done
[06:43] <coreymon77> okay
[06:43] <coreymon77> mrksbrd: try pinging again
[06:43] <mrksbrd> from terminal right?
[06:43] <Drunken> corey are you helping him  setup deimax usb wirless lan
[06:44] <coreymon77> yup
[06:44] <Drunken> really ??
[06:44] <coreymon77> Drunken: no
[06:44] <Drunken> :(
[06:44] <Drunken> cry smiley
[06:44] <coreymon77> Drunken: im helping him with something else
[06:44] <Drunken> ok
[06:44] <coreymon77> mrksbrd: any response?
[06:44] <mrksbrd> nothing
[06:45] <mrksbrd> showing signal meter now @ 0
[06:45] <orc> hi all
[06:45] <coreymon77> okay, apparently your card isnt beng recognize
[06:45] <coreymon77> d
[06:45] <orc> think all are geeks here
[06:46] <orc> any1 from bd?
[06:46] <Access> Well I still seem to be having trouble getting my monitor above 1024x768. have updated to the latest Nvidia driver. It was recommended to me here that it could be my monitor. I cant seem to find my monitor in the Device Manager, any thoughts on how I can begin to rectify this?
[06:46] <mrksbrd> why would ubuntu see it, but not kde environment??, could it have messed something up when i put the KDE environment on here??
[06:47] <coreymon77> mrksbrd: whats your card again?
[06:47] <mrksbrd> 02:02.0 Network controller: Intel Corporation PRO/Wireless 2200BG Network Connection (rev 05)
[06:48] <coreymon77> i think ive got it
[06:48] <orc> hi
[06:49] <phoenix92x> hi, I'm trying to have amarok build a collection on a filesystem mounted with sshfs. Sometimes it builds the collection and sometimes it doesn't, also this results in the directory just kind of unmounting and getting an error saying "Transport endpoint not connected" when I try to do say, 'df' and look for the mount, or when I try to browse into the folder itself. Has anyone experienced this?
[06:50] <coreymon77> mrksbrd: this is odd, im being told that it should work out of the box
[06:50] <mrksbrd> it should, i had it working b4
[06:51] <mrksbrd> had to reinstall, loaded ubuntu....it worked....loaded Kde AND DIDN'T WORK ANYMORE
[06:51] <coreymon77> that does not make sense
[06:51] <mrksbrd> tell me about it
[06:51] <arunkale> I'm using Thunderbird 2. Every time Thunderbird downloads new messages on startup, it just freezes and I have to force quit. Any ideas as to how I can fix this?
[06:51] <coreymon77> kde is a desktop environment, its got nothing to do with wireless
[06:51] <dim> hello All, how to make the "text view" mode the default one in konqueror?
[06:51] <arunkale> Also it keeps downloading the same bunch of messages over and over
[06:51] <coreymon77> try this
[06:52] <mrksbrd> wondering if config file for it got screwed up somehow
[06:52] <coreymon77> can you access your router from anywhere
[06:52] <coreymon77> router settings
[06:52] <mrksbrd> yes
[06:52] <coreymon77> but your using a laptop right/
[06:52] <coreymon77> ?
[06:52] <mrksbrd> also have desktop running same
[06:52] <mrksbrd> but on ethernet cable
[06:52] <coreymon77> i was going to say try using static ip
[06:53] <coreymon77> but thats not a good ide with a laptop
[06:53] <zblach__> i'm unable to unlock kicker. how can I fix this?
[06:53] <MaKaTiGuY> need some help
[06:53] <coreymon77> this really does not make sense, this card works out of the box
[06:54] <rustalot> so I've been having some problems, and it says (EE) Screen(s) found, but none of them have a usable configuration . Fatal server error: no screens found
[06:54] <Drunken> hay any one like to help me install a edimax usb wireless card
[06:55] <MaKaTiGuY> what is the ideal speed in burning the kubuntu in a cd?
[06:55] <pag> MaKaTiGuY, I'd suggest 4x or less
[06:55] <mrksbrd> best to burn @ low speed...less errors
[06:56] <scribbles> anyone here have experience getting CS: Source working?
[06:57] <MaKaTiGuY> pag: i have a nero essentials, but i can't get it to a 4x speed, the lowest speed is 10X
[06:57] <Jucato> MaKaTiGuY: lowest possible on your drive/medium
[06:57] <mrksbrd> another weird thing corey, just was able to connect to neighbors unsecured, but won't even let me select mine
[06:58] <acemo> does anyone knows how the zeroconf plugin from ktorrent works?
[06:59] <MaKaTiGuY> pag: i have a nero essentials, but i can't get it to a 4x speed, the lowest speed is 10X
[06:59] <pag> MaKaTiGuY, Jucato already answered you - go at lowest possible
[06:59] <MaKaTiGuY> k tnx
[06:59] <coreymon77> mrksbrd: hmmm, i really ont know
[07:00] <Drunken> how can you find out what series kernal your runnign
[07:01] <acemo> uname -r
[07:01] <Drunken> thank you ace
[07:01] <Drunken> could you help me understanding one more thing please ?
[07:01] <pag> !tab | Drunken
[07:01] <ubotu> Drunken: You can use <tab> for autocompletion of nicknames in IRC, as well as for completion of filenames and programs on the command line.
[07:01] <acemo> depending if i unsderstand it =P
[07:01] <Drunken> http://backports.ubuntuforums.com/showthread.php?t=337849&highlight=EW-7318ug
[07:02] <Drunken> tell me if this read me file make sense instructions wise
[07:02] <Drunken> its the read me on the driver cd ?
[07:03] <guille> hej
[07:03] <guille> i got a genius webcam
[07:03] <guille> but it does not work with amsn nor with kopete
[07:03] <guille> i get a blue screen on kopete any ideas?
[07:03] <acemo> guille: does it works at all?
[07:04] <scribbles> whenever I open Counter Strike Source in Steam via Wine it shows the proper loading screen but then it just goes black and I have to restard KDE, any ideas?
[07:04] <carve> anyone out there who can help me install a theme in kubuntu 6.06?
[07:05] <pag> !changethemes | carve
[07:05] <ubotu> carve: To change your themes, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuEyeCandy.  Kubuntu users should visit https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CustomizeKubuntu.
[07:05] <carve> Thanks
[07:05] <mrksbrd> cory still thee?
[07:05] <mrksbrd> there
[07:06] <Drunken> so ace
[07:06] <Drunken> do you understand it
[07:06] <guille> acemo, it does work using windows
[07:08] <carve> how do I get to my themes?  Sorry I've only been using Linux for a week
[07:08] <pfein> what does everyone like for CD ripping/encoding?
[07:08] <germaine> sorry room  french room pls
[07:08] <germaine> kubuntu
[07:09] <pag> !fr | germaine
[07:09] <ubotu> germaine: Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.
[07:09] <germaine> ty ubotu
[07:09] <pag> pfein, konqueror is nice for audiocd's :)  SoundKonverter works also quite well
[07:09] <Angelus> apt-get is saying that i have the base locked
[07:10] <guille> Does anyone know how to make a webcam in amsn or copete?
[07:10] <Angelus> how do i do that reconfigure thing?
[07:10] <pag> !aprfix | Angelus
[07:10] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about aprfix - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[07:10] <Drunken> Can any one help with a edimax usb wireless problem
[07:10] <pag> !aptfix | Angelus
[07:10] <ubotu> Angelus: If Adept crashed on you and your database is locked, try this in konsole:  sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a 
[07:10] <pfein> pag: will konq create playlists?
[07:10] <pfein> pag: I tried kaudiocreator, but no playlists
[07:11] <mrksbrd> Drunken, what did u need?
[07:11] <pag> pfein, probably not?  I don't personally use them, so I haven't ever looked for that feature
[07:11] <Drunken> i need to have these instructions epxlained to me
[07:11] <Drunken> For 2.6 series kernel:
[07:11] <Drunken> a.  go to 'STA/Module' directory.
[07:11] <Drunken>     run 'cp Makefile.6 Makefile'
[07:12] <Drunken> b. $make all
[07:12] <Drunken> c. cp rt73.bin /etc/Wireless/RT73STA/	# copy firmware
[07:12] <Drunken> 
[07:12] <pag> !paste | Drunken
[07:12] <ubotu> Drunken: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[07:12] <Drunken> 
[07:12] <Drunken> d.  run '/sbin/insmod rt73.ko'  (as root)
[07:12] <Drunken>         '/sbin/ifconfig rausb0 inet YOUR_IP up'
[07:12] <Drunken> For big endian platform:
[07:12] <Drunken> they make no sense at all for me
[07:13] <Drunken> sorry mark my stupid identiy wont work for now
[07:13] <Drunken> you want the tar file [path name
[07:13] <Drunken> you wanna knwo the software
[07:14] <lee_> hi
[07:15] <lee_> how do i get in the ubuntu room
[07:15] <makuseru> !pidgin
[07:15] <ubotu> pidgin is the new name for Gaim forced by AOL's legal dept. It wasn't released in time for Feisty. Expect it in gutsy. See http://www.pidgin.im/index.php for more info.
[07:15] <mrksbrd> Drunken, was it a .tar file that u have to compile???
[07:15] <arash> How can I make Kubuntu think there are 'two screens'?. I currently have that my TV is the one right to the main, any have experience in this?
[07:15] <arash> The problem being is that Kubuntu isn't aware of that, for example maximize windows will make it take all space (even TV)
[07:15] <Dr_willis> arash,  what iois your videoc ard?
[07:15] <arash> lee_ type "/j #ubuntu"
[07:15] <tim> yea
[07:16] <Tachyon> I'm dual-booting Kubuntu and Windows Vista.  I can mount the Vista partition but it doesn't let me access my user files from Kubuntu.  How can I get kubuntu to authenticate itself while mounting Vista?
[07:16] <arash> GTS 8800
[07:16] <tim> RT73STAV1000_k2.6.8-2-386_DBN31.tar.gz
[07:16] <jussi01> !ntfs-3g
[07:16] <ubotu> ntfs-3g is a Linux driver which allows read/write access to NTFS partitions. Installation instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MountingWindowsPartitions
[07:16] <Dr_willis> arash,  i THINK the 8800 card has some issues at this time. may be fixed by now. for nvidia cards you want to enable the 'twinview' feature
[07:16] <jussi01> Tachyon: ^^
[07:17] <arash> Dr_willis sounds like my problem, what is twinview?
[07:17] <Dr_willis> arash, twinvies is nvidias 'feature' that allows more then 1 monitor.
[07:17] <zipper> I have 2 soundcards. I know that both works. How do i select which one should be the primary one (the one applications should use)?
[07:17] <arash> Dr_willis, I have two screeens right now, so just fixing Kubuntu to treat it like two screens would probably make it flawless
[07:17] <Dr_willis> I use the   nvidia-xconfig  -A       command to tweak mine.
[07:17] <Dr_willis> arash,  i find that dual displays is NEVER flawless. :)
[07:18] <Dr_willis> !twinview
[07:18] <ubotu> xinerama is an extension to !X to use two or more physical displays as one large virtual display. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/XineramaHowTo - See also !DualHead
[07:18] <Dr_willis> !dualhead
[07:18] <ubotu> Information about dual-head on linux can be found on http://wiki.linuxquestions.org/wiki/DualHead - See also !Xinerama
[07:18] <arash> Thanks Dr_willis !
[07:18] <Dr_willis> I tend to just backup my working xorg.conf , then run 'sudo nvidia-xconfig  --twinview'
[07:18] <Dr_willis> then restart X
[07:18] <Tachyon> jussi01: Merci.  Trying it now.
[07:19] <Dr_willis> the nvidia driver readme has a lot of neat info for tweaking it also.
[07:19] <tim> i think ill never get this card working
[07:20] <zipper> !help
[07:20] <ubotu> I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots
[07:20] <Tachyon> jussi01: er, I installed the configuration tool, but it isn't opening...
[07:22] <tim> any one any good with wireless cards
[07:22] <tim> or know how to install RT73
[07:22] <tim> any one know how to install RT73 ?
[07:26] <tim> any one anyn good with RT73STAV1000_k2.6.8-2-386_DBN31.tar.gz
[07:26] <spiroo> Hi, I need help again :D I cannot uninstall apache2.
[07:26] <tim> you tried being in root terminal
[07:27] <spiroo> yes of cource I have
[07:27] <tim> and then sudo apt-get remove apache2.
[07:27] <spiroo> yes does not matter
[07:27] <tim> eveyr one keeps dropping out
[07:27] <tim> i dunno why
[07:27] <tim> not many people talking any more
[07:28] <roothelp> hello
[07:28] <tim> hay root
[07:28] <spiroo> does not work with purge or anything. I deleted the conf files which I did not think mattered for the installation because I got some issues with module rewrite. Then it says it caanott find httpd.conf, apache2.conf etc ...
[07:28] <tim> try reinstaling then uninstalling
[07:28] <spiroo> Does not work
[07:28] <tim> root you any good with RT73STAV1000_k2.6.8-2-386_DBN31.tar.gz
[07:28] <roothelp> everybody work with gambas
[07:29] <spiroo> When I reinstall it does not add the conf-files or anything
[07:29] <tim> whats gambas
[07:29] <zipper> I have 2 soundcards. I know that both works. How do i select which one should be the primary one (the one applications should use)?
[07:29] <drif> spiroo: tried apt-get --purge -f remove apache2 ?
[07:29] <tim> tried deleteing the files by hand and sorting thoguh them
[07:29] <spiroo> tim: Is there any possibility to remove it manuelly and install freshly
[07:29] <tim> ah drif some one whos good at helping
[07:29] <spiroo> drif: nope will try
[07:29] <drif> spiroo: add sudo as well
[07:29] <drif> I forgot it
[07:29] <tim> id say just delete the files one by one
[07:30] <spiroo> of course ;P
[07:30] <tim> drif you any good at or knwo how to install RT73
[07:30] <drif> tim: RT73?
[07:30] <drif> tim: explain a bit
[07:30] <spiroo> How do I delete when I do not know how to and where I should delete. I must do it inside dpkg also to get adept working
[07:30] <tim> an edimax EW-7318ug usb card
[07:30] <spiroo> Adept needs a better cleanup system
[07:31] <tim> runs on a RT73
[07:31] <drif> spiroo: let me know if that works - then we'll think of something else
[07:31] <spiroo> yes will do
[07:31] <tim> so drif ever herd of it ?
[07:31] <spiroo> wait a sec
[07:31] <drif> tim: you mean RT73 as chip?
[07:31] <tim> yes
[07:32] <tim> ok i have this for instructions which are crap one sec ill get url
[07:32] <spiroo> drif, nope did not work, I send a print screen soon.
[07:32] <tim> For 2.6 series kernel:
[07:32] <spiroo> no I send pastebin instead
[07:32] <drif> tim: modprobe rt73usb
[07:32] <tim> a.  go to 'STA/Module' directory.
[07:32] <tim>     run 'cp Makefile.6 Makefile'
[07:32] <tim> b. $make all
[07:32] <tim> c. cp rt73.bin /etc/Wireless/RT73STA/	# copy firmware
[07:33] <tim> 
[07:33] <tim> 
[07:33] <tim> d.  run '/sbin/insmod rt73.ko'  (as root)
[07:33] <tim>         '/sbin/ifconfig rausb0 inet YOUR_IP up'
[07:33] <tim> ok
[07:33] <drif> tim, stop that
[07:33] <drif> do not paste here
[07:33] <drif> !pastebin | tim
[07:33] <ubotu> tim: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[07:33] <tim> sorry :(
[07:33] <guille> i am having trouble with my webcam?
[07:33] <drif> tim: did you try loading that module? or do you need to compile some other version?
[07:33] <tim> i tried modprobe said module dosnt exsist
[07:34] <spiroo> drif: http://pastebin.org/1250
[07:34] <drif> tim: what did you type
[07:34] <tim> modprobe rt73usb
[07:34] <drif> tim: modprobe -l | grep -i rt73
[07:34] <drif> tim: what does it give you?
[07:34] <spiroo> drif: sorry for the swedish language in some parts, but the important ones is in english though ;P
[07:34] <tim> ok can i send files over IRC if so ill send you the pakage
[07:35] <spiroo> how do I do this ?: Please set APACHE_ETC_SEARCH
[07:35] <tim> it just went to the next line of coding without saying any thing
[07:36] <drif> tim: which version you have+
[07:36] <drif> tim: older than feisty?
[07:37] <Tachyon> I installed the NTFS configuration tool, but it won't open.  When I try to open it using the menu, nothing happens.  Katapult gives me the error that KDE.init can't find gksu
[07:37] <spiroo> drif. ?
[07:37] <_4strO> Tachyon: alt + F2 and then kdesu ntfs-config
[07:38] <_4strO> Tachyon: you can edit the link in the menu (by right clicking on it) and change gksu by kdesu
[07:39] <tim> ok i dunno if i have feisty drif
[07:39] <tim> and read this
[07:39] <tim> this is what im rworking from
[07:39] <tim> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/35275/
[07:40] <guille> webcam trouble
[07:40] <guille> how do i reinstall drivers?
[07:40] <drif> tim: lsb_release -a
[07:40] <drif> tim: that should tell you
[07:41] <Menda> hi
[07:41] <tim> ubuntu 6.06 codname dapper
[07:41] <drif> !didntwork > spiroo
[07:42] <tim> oh and no lsb modules avalible
[07:42] <Tachyon> Well, the tool lets me select if I can enable write support, but it doesn't do any of this "detecting NTFS partitions" business that the wiki suggests....
[07:42] <drif> tim: well it's the codename we were after
[07:42] <tim> dapper
[07:42] <drif> tim: yup
[07:42] <drif> tim: feisty seems to have r73 supported as default
[07:43] <tim> and this means ?
[07:43] <tim> so download feisty
[07:43] <drif> tim: why you're using 6.06 - needing long time support perhaps?
[07:43] <guille> i am having trouble with my webcam and soon i am gonna shoot myself!
[07:44] <tim> what do you mean
[07:44] <drif> guille: it would help to know which webcam
[07:44] <tim> ... oh yea i got he offical guide to ubntu and it was 6.06 lol rather then 7
[07:44] <drif> tim: that's rather old release
[07:44] <tim> really ?
[07:44] <guille> the webcam i got is a genius
[07:45] <tim> well would i have any better luck with ubuntu 7.04
[07:45] <spiroo> *kubuntu
[07:45] <guille> i am gonna chekc the web so i can give you a closer description
[07:45] <riorio> tim > maybe you should try later, there is a netsplit going on atm
[07:45] <tim> netsplit ??
[07:46] <zipper> I have 2 soundcards. I know that both works. How do i select which one should be the primary one (the one applications should use, or at least Amarok)?
[07:46] <Access> Mmm still trying to display 1280x1024. Tried forcing it by adding the mode "1280x1024" in xorg.conf however it didnt work (although 1280x768 did, but thats not helpful :P). I googled my Auriga ColorPro 19D and it seems no one has the Vertical and Horitzonal numbers. Is there anything I can do?
[07:47] <drif> tim: simply put, yes
[07:47] <tim> so just upgrade to 7.04 for ubntu
[07:47] <DexterF> hi
[07:47] <drif> tim: that could work - I prefer clean intall though
[07:48] <DexterF> how do I play an image of a dvd as a dvd? player deosnt matter
[07:48] <robnick> Tachyon: You're trying to get ntfs-3g to work?
[07:48] <Tachyon> robnick: Indeed
[07:48] <robnick> Tachyon: 'cause I didn't seem to get this "Detecting NTFS drives" thing either; so I ended up manually adding the line(s) to fstab
[07:48] <rene> hey everybody
[07:48] <martijn81> DexterF: depends on the image, iso you can mount with loopdevice
[07:48] <tim> so you think that a clean install might already support RT73
[07:48] <rene> just checking in
[07:48] <DexterF> martijn81: no iso, dir tree
[07:49] <Tachyon> robnick: Yeah.  I could do that if I knew what they were.  My problem, however, is that I don't know how to get it to mount the partition so I can access all the files under my Vista account (in C:\Users)
[07:49] <rene> Vista S*cks
[07:49] <Tachyon> The Vista partition itself mounts fine.  I can only access the public stuff.
[07:49] <eagles0513875> msft suxs in general
[07:49] <robnick> Tachyon: Do you know which drive/partition it's on? (e.g.; /dev/hda1) ?
[07:49] <rene> lol
[07:49] <Tachyon> robnick: /dev/sda2
[07:49] <robnick> Tachyon: ah!
[07:49] <rene> yoper & slackware & kubuntu rulez
[07:50] <Tachyon> rene: Surprisingly, I've found that bashing something that isn't working and randomly celebrating that which does work doesn't really fix my problem. :-/  Usually it requires actual solutions, or at least lots of tea.
[07:50] <robnick> Tachyon: For what it's worth, here's my line: /dev/sda1 /home/robert/ext ntfs-3g defaults,force 0 0
[07:50] <robnick> Tachyon: But I guess you have that, already
[07:51] <Tachyon> Yes, something quite similar.
[07:51] <rene> i am a really new rookie in linux
[07:51] <drif> tim: it does - like I said it has rt73usb driver..
[07:51] <robnick> The only wee-bit "special" I added was the "force" option, which forces a mount even if the partition table wasn't closed properly
[07:52] <rene> but got microsoft office xp installed on kubuntu and the printing witrh the hp photosmart 7350 works great
[07:52] <robnick> rene: You installed ... Office XP .... on Kubuntu?
[07:52] <rene> yep
[07:52] <rene> crossover office
[07:52] <rene> ;)
[07:53] <robnick> rene: There's a good alternative called OpenOffice. Then again, maybe you're more used to it. :)
[07:53] <arash> ubotu !ntfs-3g
[07:53] <ubotu> ntfs-3g is a Linux driver which allows read/write access to NTFS partitions. Installation instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MountingWindowsPartitions
[07:53] <arash> retarded, how do I whisper in irc :p? obviously /say just says the parameters...
[07:53] <rene> office xp is 1 of the most standard office versions in companys
[07:54] <Tachyon> arash: I've read the page and the behaviour I encounter is not the behaviour expected.
[07:54] <robnick> Tachyon: Take a look at this; there's some info regarding Vista/ntfs-3g on it: https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+question/10585
[07:55] <acemo> does anyone knows how the zeroconf plugin from ktorrent works?
[07:56] <robnick> Tachyon: Any specific error you're getting? Or is it just empty? Else open two terminals; and tail -f /var/log/messages while mounting the NTFS-partition and accessing the folder.
[07:56] <drif> !aptfix > spiroo
[07:56] <guille> i have agenius webcam VideoCAM GE111 but i can get it to work
[07:58] <Tachyon> robnick: I can see the Default and Public user folders, but I can't see the Ben folder (for my account) in /media/sda2/Users/
[07:58] <spiroo> !aptfix | spiroo
[07:58] <spiroo> !aptfix
[07:58] <ubotu> If Adept crashed on you and your database is locked, try this in konsole:  sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a 
[07:58] <spiroo> ah thanks
[07:59] <murchadh> Tachyon: If you're root can you see them?
[07:59] <robnick> Tachyon: And if you're accessing that folder through the console? (cd /media/sda2/Users/Ben/ or sudo cd /media/sda2/Users/Ben/)
[08:00] <Tachyon> sudo cd -- no command found
[08:01] <murchadh> Tachyon: kdesu konqueror, then browse to the mount directory in that instance of konqueror (don't go online with it though: not safe).
[08:02] <Tachyon> murchadh: No, same problem
[08:03] <murchadh> Tachyon: Can you become root by typing su -
[08:04] <Tachyon> murchadh: No, but sudo su works
[08:04] <Tachyon> Still the same problem though
[08:06] <antonio_> ol
[08:06] <murchadh> Tachyon: Can you ctrl+alt+F3 to get to a new terminal? Can you log in there as root? umount /dev/sda2, then try and mount it -
[08:07] <antonio_> estou tendo dificuldades em acessar o meu outro hd com so windows.  aqui que consigo ajuda?
[08:07] <martijn81> DexterF: just right click and action open with kaffeine or something
[08:07] <murchadh> Tachyon: mount -t ntfs-3g /dev/sda2 /mount/point and see what errors you get.
[08:07] <DexterF> martijn81: "or something", huh? nvm, smplayer gets the job done
[08:08] <Tachyon> murchadh: No, when I try to log in as root it says "Login incorrect"
[08:08] <martijn81> k
[08:08] <murchadh> Tachyon: It just seems to be a permissions problem. But not knowing much about Vista, there may be some form of encryption or somesuch you've enabled.
[08:09] <Tachyon> I haven't knowingly enabled any such security
[08:09] <Tachyon> In fact, I've disabled most of Vista's security
[08:09] <murchadh> Tachyon: But you can sudo?
[08:09] <Tachyon> Yes
[08:10] <Tachyon> What is root's password supposed to be?
[08:10] <Arwen> !root
[08:10] <ubotu> do not try to guess the root password, that is impossible. Instead, realise the truth.. there is no root password. Then you will see that it is sudo that grants you access and not the root password. Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo
[08:11] <murchadh> Tachyon: OK. sudo umount /dev/sda? (I think it was 2)
[08:12] <murchadh> Tachyon: sudo mount -t ntfs-3g /dev/sda2 /media/sda2/users
[08:12] <Tachyon> umount: /media/sda2: device is busy
[08:13] <murchadh> Tachyon: Make sure there are no terminals, instances of konqueror or any other process using anything on that drive.
[08:14] <Tachyon> murchadh:
[08:14] <Tachyon> fusermount: failed to access mountpoint /media/sda2/Users: No such file or directory
[08:14] <Tachyon> FUSE mount point creation failed
[08:14] <Tachyon> Unmounting /dev/sda2 (RECOVERY)
[08:15] <Tachyon> sudo mount -t ntfs-3g /dev/sda2 /media/sda2/ works fine
[08:15] <Tachyon> However, still no joy
[08:15] <robnick> How do you open it, then? As root?
[08:16] <Tachyon> ?
[08:16] <Tachyon> No
[08:16] <Tachyon> In Konqueror
[08:16] <Tachyon> I'm still not sure why being root would fix my problem.  I don't think Vista knows the difference between root and non-root
[08:17] <radius> vista=uac
[08:17] <Tachyon> Er?
[08:17] <murchadh> Tachyon: Can you run Konqueror as root by using Run Command from the menu and then select run as different user under advanced options?
[08:17] <Artimus> With Vista, it's either root or "please enter your password"
[08:19] <murchadh> Tachyon: We kinda think your files are mounted with only root having access. This is how we'll rule out if we're on the wrong path. :)
[08:19] <Tachyon> murchadh: i don't see "advanced options" under Configure Konqueror
[08:21] <murchadh> Tachyon: Press the Big K to bring up your menu, Select "Run Command", Type konqueror in the box, beneath it there is an advanced option.
[08:23] <Tachyon> murchadh: Which user shall I run as?  root?
[08:26] <murchadh> Tachyon: Yes, but you only need your sudo password.
[08:27] <Tachyon> Okay, done that.  Still can't see the folder
[08:29] <murchadh> Tachyon: Nothing at all shows up under /media/sda2?
[08:29] <robnick> Tachyon: Running out of options here; but 1) Open a terminal and sudo tail -f /var/log/messages . Next; open another terminal and cd /media/sda2/Users/Ben/. See what happens in both terminals (if anything)
[08:29] <robnick> Either A) It works (!) B) It gives a permission denied C) It says "Can't find .."
[08:30] <robnick> I think.
[08:30] <Tachyon> murchadh: No, that shows up.  I mean, the Ben folder still doesn't show up in /media/sda2/Users/
[08:32] <robnick> Tachyon: What did my last suggestion do?
[08:32] <Tachyon> robnick: First command appears to be logging stuff to that terminal.  Second command tells me the directory doesn't exist.
[08:34] <robnick> Tachyon: First command 'tails' (watches) the general logging file, and should give a new entry after accessing the directory
[08:34] <robnick> Tho I'm out of ideas now for accessing that folder
[08:34] <Tachyon> Well, thanks for your suggestions and patience.
[08:34] <robnick> It simply can't find it, so I'm pretty sure it's some new change with vista
[08:35] <murchadh> robnick: /media/sda2/Users is confusing, no? There's something iffy about mounting to /media/sda2 and it showing up that Users Directory.
[08:35] <Tachyon> Gutsy should be here soon anyway, eh?  Usually when I encounter problems like these I just wait for the next release, do a clean install, and magically it works :D  (And gives me new problems!)
[08:36] <robnick> murchadh: It's simply displaying some public / general folders and not displaying user-specific folders. Which led me to believe it to be a permission thing, but if it reports it can't find the folder, then it can't find it
[08:36] <venik> what is the latest version of THunderbird for Linux?  I have 1.5..
[08:36] <venik> on Windows it is 2.0..
[08:37] <tsdgeos> it's 2.0
[08:37] <BluesKaj> robnick, hate to state the obvious but vista is notorious for it's silly security precautions ...perhaps the security settings for the file have to be set to low.
[08:37] <tsdgeos> just that ubuntu is not shipping it in 7.04
[08:37] <venik> but when I upgrade from ADEPT I only get 1.5?
[08:37] <venik> i c
[08:37] <jajoni> wenas
[08:38] <robnick> BluesKaj: God help the man who's decided I'm not allowed to access my own personal folders from a different OS in case of "security".. :P
[08:38] <Tachyon> robnick: Would you like to borrow my voodoo doll?
[08:38] <Lynoure> robnick: from which different OS?
[08:39] <murchadh> robnick: Yeah, but if I run mount -t ntfs-3g /dev/hda? /munt/point it will show up my C: drive contents at that mount point. I can't see where this Users dir comes into it.
[08:39] <venik> How do I import old Thunderbird mail from and XP partition to an Kubuntu TB?
[08:39] <BluesKaj> robnick , one name i can think of ...bill somebody:)
[08:39] <robnick> Tachyon: I recently switched; I still have my own ;)
[08:39] <Tachyon> murchadh: In Vista, your user files are stored in C:\Users\yourusername\
[08:39] <robnick> murchadh: "Users" is the 'new Documents and Settings' folder of Vista; which is the folder Tachyon is trying to access
[08:39] <murchadh> BluesKaj: Hehe, Oh Yeah Bill Who. Anyway Tachyon reckons he set all the Vista security to low/off.
[08:40] <Tachyon> I also can't see other folders that my user created, like the wamp folder in C:\
[08:40] <murchadh> robnick: But where is the Windows directory? (Never used Vista, please don't laugh)
[08:40] <robnick> murchadh: On C:\Windows IIRC. Just "Documents and Settings" was shuffled around a little
[08:41] <Tachyon> I can access the windows directory
[08:41] <Tachyon> Which seems silly
[08:41] <robnick> Well no
[08:42] <BluesKaj> murchadh, that why i still have an XP partition ...vista was just too intolerable ... I would migrate totally to Kubuntu if someone can come up with a decent scanning app for Linux
[08:42] <Tachyon> I can't access _my_ stuff, but I can access all those terribly important system files :p
[08:42] <robnick> The windows directory isn't owned by your user "Ben"
[08:42] <robnick> So that actually kinda makes sense; I'm just dumbfounded on the why and how bit of it
[08:43] <murchadh> BluesKaj: Vuescan I used to use to get my Minolta DSIII working but it works now with sane.
[08:45] <murchadh> BluesKaj: I still wouldn't claim that my kubuntu matches my old XP for scanning and printing (HP Photosmart 7960; the nightmares I had just to get it to print), but it is getting there. I'm trying to type now, with crossed fingers!
[08:47] <BluesKaj> murchadh, Vuescan eh...hmm gonna take a look , thx :)
[08:47] <zipper> I have 2 soundcards. I know that both works. How do i select which one should be the primary one (the one applications should use, or at least Amarok)?
[08:48] <BluesKaj> <--- HP Scanjet 3500c
[08:48] <arunkale> i thought virtualbox was open source?
[08:48] <arunkale> seems they have two versions...
[08:51] <murchadh> Tachyon: If you can see the contents of C: under /media/sda2/ then I would suggest that there are some Vista restrictions in place. It is the logical next step; back in to \/|574 and check it out (man I hated suggesting that which is why I typed it like that).
[08:52] <robnick> *nods*
[08:52] <drif> !aptfix > drif
[08:53] <wckdkl0wn> how do i enable java for firefox?
[08:53] <josiah> !mp3
[08:53] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[08:54] <wckdkl0wn> !java
[08:54] <ubotu> To install a Java compiler/interpreter on Ubuntu, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java - For the Sun Java runtime install sun-java5-jre from the !Multiverse repository. Enable the backports repository on Edgy to install sun-java6-jre. Please don't use Adept to install Java if you are on Kubuntu 6.10 (Edgy) or earlier.
[08:56] <wckdkl0wn> how do i convert kubuntu over to ubuntu fiesty? i did this before but from ubuntu to kubuntu
[08:58] <datawolf> wcknkdkl0wn I think you want apt-get install ubuntu-desktpo
[08:59] <datawolf> opps apt-get install ubuntu-desktop sorry
[09:01] <nullkuhl> guys how to acces the equalizer-audio manager from terminal ??
[09:04] <murchadh> nullkuhl: alsamixer if you're using alsa.
[09:05] <ubuntu__> help french room kubuntu pls
[09:06] <slow-motion> hallo
[09:06] <pontiac> who know  kubuntu in french
[09:07] <jussi01> !fr | pontiac
[09:07] <ubotu> pontiac: Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.
[09:07] <pontiac> ty
[09:10] <nullkuhl> is kde 4 launched yet ?
[09:11] <kewl> which envirnment looks best??
[09:14] <zipper> kewl, there is no answer to that question
[09:16] <kewl> i hav used kde gnome & xfce....but the screenshots over net,,,they r completely different so......
[09:18] <zipper> kewl, well, you could try out different themes
[09:19] <combo_> what is good tool for have a back up ?
[09:21] <combo_> !konserve
[09:21] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about konserve - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:21] <combo_> !keep
[09:21] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about keep - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:21] <combo_> !crap
[09:21] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about crap - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:22] <BlueKidd> hey
[09:22] <drif> combo_: ehm?
[09:22] <combo_> drif: do u know name of some back up tool for KDE ?
[09:23] <combo_> i need to make a back up very soon :)
[09:23] <drif> combo_: fire up adept manager and type backup
[09:23] <combo_> drif: ok ;>
[09:23] <BlueKidd> who likes hip hop!
[09:24] <drif> combo_: kubuntu-desktop has Keep as default backup util
[09:24] <combo_> drif: so one more question (maybe u would know) are icons downloaded from gnome-look.org working under Kubuntu ?
[09:24] <combo_> drif: yes i know, but i removed it away
[09:24] <BlueKidd> nope only on gnu
[09:24] <drif> BlueKidd: #kubuntu-offtopic or #hipitihop
[09:24] <combo_> it wasn't good to me
[09:24] <Ahmuck> backula, amanda, tar
[09:25] <Ahmuck> combo_: bacula, amanda, tar
[09:25] <combo_> Ahmuck: what are those names ?
[09:25] <combo_> ...back up tools ? :)
[09:25] <Ahmuck> combo_: konserve as well
[09:25] <combo_> Ahmuck: ok then, i'll try some of these stuff :)
[09:26] <combo_> hey - but how 'bout icons... would icons downloaded from gnome-look.org be working under kubuntu ?? :] 
[09:26] <Ahmuck> http://konserve.sourceforge.net/
[09:26] <cprmpt> I run kubuntu on both my desktop and laptop machine - I use programs like Kontact to manage my personal info, is it possible to sync my laptop to my desktop over my lan?
[09:27] <combo_> asdkfj
[09:27] <venik> How do I get a recording to work?  I tried several of the recording programs (to record from the Line-in input) but they all failed
[09:27] <venik> the hardware works, since it works in XP on this machine
[09:28] <Ahmuck> cprmpt: ksync
[09:28] <tim> hay
[09:28] <tim> is dirf still here
[09:29] <drif> drif :D yes I am
[09:29] <tim> hay
[09:29] <tim> ive updated to ubuntu 7.04
[09:29] <tim> i knwo took awhile
[09:29] <drif> good
[09:29] <drif> tim: from fresh?
[09:29] <tim> my radio for wireless works but it cant connect and yea from fresh
[09:30] <tim> so how do i check feisty version again
[09:30] <drif> lsb_release -a
[09:30] <combo_> hey what is " :(){ :|:& }; " command ? have u ever tried that one ? :))
[09:31] <tim> so drif can you hewlp me instal RT73
[09:31] <drif> tim: actually lsb_release -c
[09:31] <drif> tim: lsmod | grep -i rt73
[09:31] <drif> tim: output of that
[09:31] <Ahmuck> how do i verify my nic is running at 1G ?
[09:32] <tim> !paste
[09:32] <drif> Ahmuck: mii-tool
[09:32] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[09:32] <tim> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/35288/
[09:32] <tim> there you go drif
[09:33] <drif> Ahmuck: although that seems to work on dapper, not on feisty :-\ atleast for me
[09:34] <drif> tim: ok, so driver is loaded
[09:34] <tim> im not too sure ?
[09:34] <tim> well because it came up im asuming yes
[09:34] <tzanger> good afternoon
[09:35] <tim> ive put driver disc in and shoving all drivers on my desktop
[09:35] <tzanger> I've got two completely different PL2303 USB serial adapters, and both act funny with Kubuntu... I'm running 2.6.20.16-lowlatency.  these adapters work just fine under Windows XP, and also when running XP on this particular machine (dual boot)
[09:35] <Ahmuck> drif, same here
[09:36] <tzanger> how does one get a kernel source and compile it "the kubunutu way" ?  I can do this in my sleep in Slackware but that's now how things are done here
[09:36] <tzanger> is there some kind of apt-get install kernel-2.6.20.16-lowlatency-src incantation?
[09:37] <juancamilo> hi all
[09:37] <arash> Hi, I have problem with sound, I have several headphone/loudspeaker connected, I'm that it only come sound from one, but How can i decide which one?
[09:38] <juancamilo> i have a problem with beryl, i installed it and works, but the window borders are not showing?...
[09:38] <combo_> arash: u have to type in console this command: ' perl -e 'fork while fork' & '
[09:38] <manchicken> This system76 machine is freakin' sweet.
[09:39] <manchicken> combo_: That is not nice.
[09:39] <combo_> ] :->
[09:39] <arash> combo_ -perl -e 'fork while fork' & is output, what does this mean?
[09:40] <manchicken> combo_: You seriously shouldn't be telling new folks to forkbomb themselves.  That's a really crappy thing to do.
[09:40] <manchicken> arash: Ignore combo_'s advice
[09:40] <combo_> arash: ok, don't do that ;P
[09:40] <toxic316> drif recon you could help me
[09:40] <combo_> someone fu**ed me with that so i wanted to try is this working on someone else ;P
[09:41] <manchicken> combo_: Doesn't make it any less of a crappy thing to do.
[09:41] <Lynoure> Could someone help me with eclipse starting once, but after that it fails to start and gives error code=1 unless I remove my workspace
[09:41] <combo_> manchicken: but i could be funny...
[09:41] <combo_> chill out, dude ;)
[09:41] <juancamilo> hi all, i been having problems with beryl, i can't get it to show the window border. when it loads the borders disapear...anyone?
[09:41] <manchicken> combo_: That's not funny.  That's malicious.  This is a support channel, and folks looking for support really don't need that crap.
[09:42] <combo_> manchicken: yeah, yeah.... :}
[09:42] <drif> toxic316: hm?
[09:42] <BluesKaj> !beryl | juancamilo
[09:42] <ubotu> juancamilo: beryl is a window manager that takes advantage of an OpenGL accelerated X environment. Help in #ubuntu-effects
[09:42] <combo_> manchicken: what is this forkbomb doind exactly?
[09:42] <juancamilo> thanks
[09:42] <manchicken> combo_: Still not laughing.
[09:43] <toxic316> tis tim but with registerd name
[09:43] <saragg77> hello
[09:43] <BluesKaj> !hi
[09:43] <ubotu> Hi! Welcome to #kubuntu!
[09:43] <josiah> !repo
[09:43] <ubotu> The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[09:43] <saragg77> anyone up for a duelboot question?
[09:43] <slow-motion> n8
[09:43] <nullkuhl> guys is kde 4 out yet ?
[09:43] <llutz> combo_: it forks a perl-process until all mem is used
[09:43] <combo_> manchicken: no! i'm serious now. some dude told to type it in console... but i didn't do that
 infact might leave it for tomorrow
[09:44] <combo_> llutz: lol
[09:44] <BluesKaj> saragg77, ask !
[09:44] <manchicken> combo_: You know what it is, don't play stupid.
[09:44] <combo_> manchicken: i really didn't know!
[09:44] <combo_> i swear some guy told me that!
[09:44] <combo_> i'm noob dude!
[09:44] <llutz> combo_: you know the  word "Kindergarten"
[09:44] <llutz>  ?
[09:44] <combo_> how should i know such advanced command
[09:45] <toxic316> bet you are combo
[09:45] <saragg77> i am helping a friend with their pc, it is a dual-boot Kubuntu /windows xp ... windows side keeps getting blue screens, can I reinstall windows without corrupting kubuntu?
[09:45] <combo_> llutz: ja, aber naturlich :)
[09:45] <llutz> combo_: dann husch husch zurueck dorthin
[09:45] <saragg77> i've always installed windows first..then parttion magic 8 etc and kubuntu
[09:45] <arash> WHAT THE HELL WAS THAT COMBO_ ?
[09:45] <manchicken> arash: I told you not to do it.
[09:45] <combo_> someone just put a little trick on me
[09:45] <combo_> arash: i told u not to do that!
[09:45] <llutz> arash: a fork-bomb
[09:45] <combo_> ...little later :] 
[09:46] <manchicken> arash: combo_ just gave you a command that forkbombed you.  He's a jerk, I suggest you ignore him.
[09:46] <combo_> a command that causes computer crap-someething :] 
[09:46] <arash> was that funny :( ?
[09:46] <combo_> manchicken: i'm not a jerk
[09:46] <llutz> arash: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forkbomb
[09:46] <saragg77> actually if i could get dreamweaver working properly in wine I could tell them to forget their duel-boot
[09:46] <combo_> i just wanted to check out what's going to happen :] 
[09:46] <combo_> arash: and what happened ? :}
[09:46] <arash> I go ask ops to ban u at #ubuntu , you are the typical jackass that is striving against destroying the ubuntu community
[09:47] <manchicken> arash: That's a good idea.
[09:47] <BluesKaj> yes saragg77 , just make sure you don't format the Linux partition (ext2 or ext3)...the linux partition will prolly be an unknown , just reformat the windows, either fat32 or NTFS
[09:47] <saragg77> cool thanks,
[09:47] <combo_> arash: oh... c'mon... why can't just u chill out
[09:47] <manchicken> !ops
[09:47] <ubotu> Help! Riddell, fdoving, Mez, jpatrick, seth_k, apokryphos, nalioth, Hobbsee, robotgeek, imbrandon, gnomefreak, Hawkwind, trappist, LjL, Jucato,  haggai, fooishbar, crimsun, seth, apokryphos, DBO, nixternal or PriceChild!
[09:48] <arash> well, It's up to them to punish you, but I tink tey should know!
[09:48] <Tm_T> manchicken: yes?
[09:48] <combo_> arash: did that command destroy something ?
[09:48] <manchicken> Tm_T: combo_ is giving new folks forkbomb commands.
[09:48] <arash> combo_ said I should do a command that crashed my comp
[09:48] <kewl> halo
[09:48] <arash> please ban him
[09:48] <BluesKaj> saragg77, one thing tho , you maynot be able to boot directly back into Linux after installing windows , since the bootloader will be hidden
[09:48] <arash> and it didnt even work restart X
[09:48] <combo_> no! it's not that!
[09:49] <arash> Yes you did. it was something with perl -e 'fork' ,
[09:49] <manchicken> Tm_T: Muchthanx
[09:49] <arash> Second.
[09:49] <llutz> idiots everywhere
[09:49] <kewl> can any1 tune his guitar thr` linux??
[09:50] <llutz> arash: it was: perl -e "fork while fork" & NO don't DO AGAIN!
[09:50] <arash> llutz , is the damage over now? or is it still infected on me?
[09:50] <llutz> arash: no it ends with reboot
[09:51] <arash> llutz , ah, thanks
[09:51] <BluesKaj> !grub | saragg77
[09:51] <ubotu> saragg77: grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[09:51] <saragg77> can I get rid of the windows partion altogether and let Kubuntu take over the space?
[09:51] <BluesKaj> yes , if you wish saragg77
[09:51] <manchicken> saragg77: You can use the Qt partition resizer (qtparted?) to do such a thing.
[09:52] <saragg77> I ask because I spent hours putting in codecs, plugins tweaks etc
[09:52] <Lynoure> How can I stop eclipse from crashing at startup without deleting my workspace?
[09:52] <manchicken> You could either just reformat the windows partition for use on a separate mount point, or you could just resize your root partition.
[09:52] <manchicken> saragg77: Either way, you don't have to reinstall.
[09:52] <saragg77> and would preffer to delete windows and have Kubuntu make use of the ex-windows partion
[09:52] <saragg77> ok cool
[09:53] <manchicken> saragg77: The only real question is whether you want to resize your root partition or if you want to just reuse the windows partition as its own partition.
[09:53] <saragg77> will qparted merge the old windows space with linux or should i keep it a seperate partion?
[09:53] <saragg77> yes
[09:53] <manchicken> saragg77: I prefer kate & quanta+ to Dreamweaver anyday anyway :)
[09:53] <BluesKaj> saragg77, someone mention partition magic , are you familiar with it? I hope so cuz it can cause some probs ..otherwise download and burn a bootable disk app called GParted . It's an excellent partition editor, live cd
[09:53] <saragg77> is quanta wysiwg in the same newbie friendly way?
[09:53] <manchicken> saragg77: That's up to you to decide.  I don't think it'll hurt anything either way.
[09:54] <manchicken> saragg77: It can be IIRC.  I don't do much wysiwyg.
[09:54] <manchicken> nvu is
[09:54] <manchicken> Don't know if we have packages for that or not though to be honest.
[09:55] <saragg77> thanks for all your help.. one last question.. do I have to run qparted from disk to do that?
[09:55] <manchicken> I think you may want to do it from a liveCD
[09:55] <saragg77> ok i will
[09:55] <saragg77> thx a million folks
[09:57] <tuxedo_> anyone know how to use an external hard drive
[09:57] <murchadh> llutz: The first example on that wiki page is incredible. (And NO don't anybody bother experimenting, but wow)
[09:58] <llutz> murchadh: use ulimit to test :)
[09:58] <murchadh> llutz: Cheers. :)
[10:00] <tuxedo_> external hard drives anyonr?
[10:03] <arash> Hello, I have several headphones/loudspeakers contected to my PC. Only one functions at a time, that's OK, but is it possible for me to switch between the active one?
[10:04] <drif> arash: alt+f2: kmix
[10:05] <Angelus> help!!! i compiled mesa from source and libdrm , now i dont have direct rendering, or maybe because i remove the via package and install unichrome , then remove unichrome and re-installed via
[10:06] <arash> drif , hmm, I checked that quite much, but It have so man buttons that doesn't even do anything, any idea what I specifically I should do=
[10:07] <drif> arash: it's quite soundcard specific..
[10:07] <BluesKaj> Angelus, which graphics card ?
[10:07] <drif> arash: trial/error-method
[10:07] <Angelus> via BluesKaj
[10:08] <Angelus> via chipset
[10:08] <Angelus> KM400
[10:08] <arash> drif, huh? trial/error-method???
[10:08] <drif> arash: try those out - see what happens
[10:08] <drif> arash: without seeing/knowing your soundcard - quite impossible to help
[10:09] <BluesKaj> Angelus, do lspci and look for the video controller , then twll us what that puts out
[10:09] <BluesKaj> tell
[10:09] <Angelus> VGA compatible controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT8378 [S3 UniChrome]  Integrated Video (rev 01)
[10:10] <arash> drif, erm, what do you mean with trial/error method?
[10:10] <drif> arash: 23:07.48 < drif> arash: try those out - see what happens
[10:11] <kewl> can any1 help me for tunning guitar with linux???
[10:11] <arash> drif, I saw that message, but what you mean try them out? how should I start them?
[10:11] <ubuntu> !sound
[10:11] <ubotu> If you're having problems with sound, first ensure ARTS is running, by going to K Menu -> System Settings -> Sound System and making sure "Enable the sound system" is checked. If that fails, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Sound - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting - For playing audio files, see !Players and !MP3
[10:11] <drif> arash: have something played out - click those switches and slide those sliders...observe
[10:12] <arash> ah... ok , I'll try that
[10:12] <ubuntu> Duh
[10:12] <drif> kewl: accurately or just give you reference sound?
[10:12] <ubuntu> I had the sound turned down
[10:13] <ubuntu> Whooooooooooooot
[10:13] <ubuntu> Wifi Works again :)
[10:13] <hero> awesome
[10:13] <Angelus> VGA compatible controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT8378 [S3 UniChrome]  Integrated Video (rev 01)
[10:13] <ubuntu> Go tribe 5
[10:13] <ubuntu> now what other bling does it bring?
[10:13] <Angelus> BluesKaj: did you see it?
[10:14] <kewl> drif: i want to tune electric one......so definetely accurate
[10:15] <Angelus> BluesKaj: do you thin its because i installed the latest version of libdrm and mesa? or because i did that re-install of the via driver and tried unichrome driver?
[10:16] <tzanger> is there a trick in getting ATI proprietary video drivers running with kubuntu?  Any existing packages?  VESA's good but no XvMC is killing mythtv :-)
[10:16] <Arwen> your mythtv box is so slow it can't handle MPEG-2?
[10:17] <Arwen> no real trick, just a lot of luck
[10:17] <aldin> how do i didable /etc/init.d/powernowd during start?
[10:17] <tzanger> Arwen: no, the mythbackend is fine, but the VESA driver on the laptop just isn't good enough for playback (it's a duo core 3GHz)
[10:18] <BluesKaj> Angelus ,  3D and DRI may be changed in your Xorg file , check it
[10:18] <drif> kewl: try lingot
[10:18] <Arwen> tzanger, ah, I would recommend buying an NVIDIA
[10:18] <Angelus> no the options to load GLX and DRI are ok BluesKaj
[10:18] <Angelus> :s
[10:18] <Arwen> what's your specific issue with fglrx?
[10:18] <tzanger> it's kind of hard to wedge an nvidia card into the laptop :-)
[10:18] <tzanger> and I am addicted to these thinkpads
[10:19] <Arwen> bah, if you use a little effort it can be done :-P
[10:19] <juancamilo> hi
[10:19] <ymsg> qui peux m'aid
[10:19] <ymsg> silvouplait
[10:20] <tsdgeos> !fr
[10:20] <ubotu> Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.
[10:20] <kewl> drif: :-) , just tried it ....its highly sensitive
[10:21] <juancamilo> what's better beryl, compiz or compiz fusion?
[10:21] <kewl> drif: moreover i m not getting how to configure lingot....
[10:22] <Angelus> brb
[10:23] <ira> apt works adapt doesnt what did I break?
[10:24] <juancamilo> I've been trying to install beryl but, i can't get it to work all right, does anyone have it working, or can advise me to insatall a different 3d desktop manager?
[10:24] <ubuntu> ira: I would guess adept :)
[10:24] <ubuntu> !beryl
[10:24] <ubotu> beryl is a window manager that takes advantage of an OpenGL accelerated X environment. Help in #ubuntu-effects
[10:24] <ira> I did hell How do I fix it!
[10:24] <ubuntu> juancamilo: try that chan
[10:25] <ubuntu> !doesnt work | ira
[10:25] <ubotu> ira: Doesn't work is a strong statement. Does it sit on the couch all day? Does it want more money? Is it on IRC all the time? Please be specific! Examples of what doesn't work tend to help too.
[10:25] <kewl> drif:do u know how to configure lingote??
[10:26] <ira> ubuntu: it loads not (boolian) clicking on it does nothing it worked in the past
[10:26] <ubuntu> ira: adept wont open?
[10:26] <ira> some guys have all the | :-)
[10:26] <ira> correct
[10:27] <ubuntu> ira: open it from command line
[10:27] <ubuntu> ira: type kdesu adept
[10:28] <ubuntu> see if it throws any errors
[10:28] <ira> ubuntu: sudo: adept: command not found
[10:29] <ubuntu> ira: type kdesu adept_manyakuakger
[10:29] <ubuntu> ira: type kdesu adept_manager
[10:30] <ira> ubuntu:
[10:30] <ira> X Error: BadDevice, invalid or uninitialized input device 167
[10:30] <ira>   Major opcode:  146
[10:30] <ira>   Minor opcode:  3
[10:30] <ira>   Resource id:  0x0
[10:30] <ira> askes for password
[10:30] <ubuntu> ira: that's your password
[10:30] <ubuntu> that you used to login
[10:30] <ira> yes i entered it
[10:30] <ira> ubuntu:
[10:30] <ira> Failed to open device
[10:30] <ira> sh:
[10:30] <ira> adept: not found
[10:31] <ira> after i put in password
[10:31] <ubuntu> ira: looks like you uninstalled it somehow
[10:31] <ubuntu> ira: no wait
[10:31] <ubuntu>  that's the kdesu adept
[10:31] <ira> waiting
[10:31] <ubuntu> try kdesu adpet_manager
[10:31] <ubuntu> adept_manager
[10:32] <DaleksUnited> hi
[10:32] <aaroncampbell> How long does it normally take for a ticket submitted to lauchpad to get assigned, or at least looked at?
[10:32] <ira> ubuntu: runs
[10:33] <DaleksUnited> if anyone has a spare minute, i have a quick question about installing kubuntu
[10:33] <ira> I guess just doesnt run from GUI
[10:34] <BluesKaj> DaleksUnited, fire away :)
[10:35] <scorpking> hey ppl. i connected with my motorola v360 using vlive and it's the conection i'm using now. the problem is i can ping a host, i'm on irc but no surfing from konqueror. my balance is 0.00 so i'm not sure how long the connection will last. :-)
[10:36] <k4> no dns ?
[10:36] <k4> nice scorpking
[10:36] <scorpking> i can ping google.com
[10:36] <kewl> :)
[10:36] <k4> and dnslookup ?
[10:37] <scorpking> how do i check that?
[10:37] <k4> windows ?
[10:37] <k4> on linux ping www.google.de
[10:37] <scorpking> linux, kubuntu 7.04
[10:37] <k4> ping a name
[10:38] <k4> if there is an answer from a ip , everythings ok
[10:38] <DaleksUnited> BluesKaj: During the install, if I choose resize IDE1 master partition (which is my windows one), will it delete windows, or just resize the partitin and leave the files intact?
[10:38] <scorpking> it's working. maybe the connection is too slow. :-(
[10:38] <ubuntu> k4: no totally true :)
[10:39] <k4> DaleksUnited: normally if it says resize it would resize
[10:39] <ubuntu> over the weekend something funkified happened with my ISP where I could ping things and make a connection with servers but I can't get back any traffice
[10:39] <ubuntu> So no browsing
[10:39] <ubuntu> it sucked
[10:39] <DaleksUnited> k4: ok, ill give it a go
[10:39] <k4> ubuntu: if you ping , packets are already going both ways
[10:39] <DaleksUnited> i was just worried that it might not, because ive spent the day trying to find a way to resize it myself and failed
[10:40] <ubuntu> k4: I know it was freaky
[10:40] <k4> DaleksUnited: i think it only resizes free space at the end
[10:40] <ubuntu> k4: like only the first poing or the last would get through
[10:40] <DaleksUnited> ah, cool
[10:40] <BluesKaj> DaleksUnited, it should be fine
[10:40] <ubuntu> a traceroute would work inside the house then die after
[10:40] <DaleksUnited> i defragged, so the last 20GB are free
[10:40] <ubuntu> DaleksUnited: smart
[10:42] <DaleksUnited> i just wanted to make sure because i have no way to reinstall windows if it goes wrong - i was given this PC by a friend sans disks
[10:42] <BluesKaj> DaleksUnited, are you using the kubuntu live cd to resize ?
[10:42] <DaleksUnited> yeah
[10:42] <BluesKaj> you'l be ok then
[10:42] <DaleksUnited> cool
[10:43] <mrksbrd> how do u find the latest kernal u are using?
[10:43] <ubuntu> uname -r
[10:43] <DaleksUnited> ive spent most of the day removing ubuntu 6.06/GRUB from the system
[10:43] <scheuri> hi all....anyone an idea how to make my laptop auto-connect to a wireless router...including its wpa-key....I do not want to type it in all the time...
[10:43] <coreymon77> scheuri: yup
[10:44] <ubuntu> DaleksUnited: Oh? so you have Ubuntu?
[10:44] <scheuri> coreymon77: do you mind sharing this idea with me....some keywords to search goggle would be fine too
[10:44] <DaleksUnited> ubuntu - i did
[10:44] <mrksbrd> coreymon77, i re-installed & now works fine
[10:44] <DaleksUnited> windows on a 30GB HDD, ubuntu on a 3GB
[10:44] <DaleksUnited> windows couldnt see the ubuntu disk, ubuntu couldnt mount the windows disk
[10:45] <ubuntu> DaleksUnited: I'm confused now :) you have space for Kubuntu? why are you resizing?
[10:45] <DaleksUnited> lol, sorry
[10:45] <DaleksUnited> the 3GB was needed in another PC
[10:45] <ubuntu> ok
[10:46] <DaleksUnited> so I had to resize the windows 30GB partition and make a new one on that disk for linux
[10:47] <DaleksUnited> i was at the IOI 2007 in Zagreb last week, and really like KDE/KDevelop, so decided to convert
[10:47] <Angelus> BluesKaj: dude now even my Xserver  aint starting :S , im on irssi and you know > I HATE COMANDLINE
[10:48] <ubuntu> DaleksUnited: Welcome
[10:48] <ubuntu> hi juancamilo
[10:48] <coreymon77> scheuri: system settings-network settings
[10:48] <mrksbrd> how do u find what kernel is running on ur system??????????
[10:48] <ubuntu> mrksbrd: uname -r
[10:48] <BluesKaj> Angelus, you may need to reconfigure your xorg file "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg"
[10:48] <coreymon77> scheuri: go there
[10:49] <Angelus> BluesKaj: i made dexconf
[10:49] <aaroncampbell> How long does it normally take for a ticket submitted to lauchpad to get assigned, or at least looked at?
[10:49] <ubuntu> aaroncampbell: depends on the churn I'd suppose
[10:49] <BluesKaj> Angelus, your video driver is prolly the wrong one or it's pimped
[10:49] <coreymon77> scheuri: are you at network settings?
[10:50] <aaroncampbell> ubotu: churn?
[10:50] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about churn? - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[10:50] <scheuri> coreymon77: yes....I disabled roaming mode...however, WPA is not an option for the key
[10:50] <manchicken> !compiz
[10:50] <ubotu> Compiz (compositing window manager) and XGL (X server architecture layered on top of OpenGL) - Howto at http://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager - Help in #ubuntu-effects
[10:50] <mrksbrd> kernel 2.6.22.4 is now out is it advisable to upgrade this, and how would be the best way to do it???????????
[10:50] <aaroncampbell> ubuntu: churn?
[10:50] <Angelus> BluesKaj: i tried 3 different , via from kubuntu. via from X.org, and via from Openchrome and didnt work :S
[10:50] <Angelus> BluesKaj:  i think im gonna re-install
[10:50] <ubuntu> aaroncampbell: how much work is going on and how many bugs are coming in
[10:50] <Arwen> mrksbrd, with apt?
[10:51] <BluesKaj> Angelus, sudo invoke-rc.d kdm start
[10:51] <ubuntu> mrksbrd: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade
[10:51] <coreymon77> scheuri: i take it you have the wpa-supplicant package right?
[10:51] <ubuntu> mrksbrd: Do you have a Orange Box with a red sign that has an exclamation mark on it in the system tray
[10:51] <scorpking> k4: think i found the problem - 78% packet loss
[10:51] <mrksbrd> no
[10:52] <ubuntu> mrksbrd: ok then the commands I just gave you
[10:52] <scheuri> coreymon77: well, yes...I am connected to it right now using wpa
[10:52] <ubuntu> mrksbrd: You are on the machine now?
[10:52] <mrksbrd> yes
[10:52] <coreymon77> scheuri: okay, give me a sec
[10:52] <Angelus> BluesKaj: didnt work
[10:52] <scheuri> coreymon77: sure...thank you
[10:53] <Angelus> BluesKaj: what i cant understand is why did this happen? because i compiled mesa from source or because i remove via, install unichrome, removed unichrome and re-installed via? do you have an idea? did you ever compile mesa from source?
[10:53] <BluesKaj> Angelus, sudo cat /etc/X11/xorg.conf ... try to go back a previous version of xorg datewise
[10:53] <manchicken> Anybody know if aiglx works on the intel x3100?
[10:54] <ubuntu> intel is normally good
[10:54] <nosrednaekim> manchicken: I think it does... got your new lappy?
[10:54] <mrksbrd> ubuntu, why did u ask that??
[10:54] <BluesKaj> no Angelus , I just used tyhe vesa driver to get X back and then tried to solve the problem after
[10:54] <manchicken> nosrednaekim: Freakin' sweat
[10:54] <manchicken> sweet
[10:54] <manchicken> Still getting used to the display and keyboard though.
[10:54] <nosrednaekim> the darter?
[10:54] <ubuntu> mrksbrd: cause if you boot while on the net it should give you notification that you can upgrade
[10:55] <Angelus> BluesKaj: but did this happen because i compiled Mesa from source or doesnt have to do with that?
[10:55] <nosrednaekim> manchicken: yeah... it took me like two weeks to get used to mine
[10:55] <Angelus> ah btw BluesKaj now even vesa is not working :/
[10:55] <manchicken> Trying to get compiz on it now.
[10:55] <nosrednaekim> manchicken: but now I really like it. it was mostly the arrow keys. ( they are in a reall weir position on mine)
[10:55] <BluesKaj> Angelus,  yeah i think so
[10:55] <manchicken> I got mine in a week and a half.
[10:55] <nosrednaekim> Daisuke_Laptop: you around?
[10:56] <nosrednaekim> Daisuke-Ido: you too..
[10:56] <manchicken> The full bottom row of keys seems to be off to the right just a little.
[10:56] <Angelus> so you cant compile your own Mesa on kubuntu BluesKaj
[10:56] <Angelus> :S
[10:56] <mrksbrd> ubuntu, showing no upgrades!!!!
[10:56] <BluesKaj> Angelus, sudo cat /etc/X11/xorg.conf ... try to go back a previous version of xorg datewiseI don't know cuz i don't use mesa
[10:56] <nosrednaekim> BluesKaj: no need for a sudo
[10:56] <ubuntu> mrksbrd: wait hold on what kernel version do you have?
[10:57] <Angelus> what do you mean try to go back to a preavious version? that just lists Xorg.conf
[10:57] <mrksbrd> 2.6.20-16-generic
[10:57] <Angelus> :S
[10:57] <nosrednaekim> manchicken: from what i've heard, you need the xorg-intel driver to get aiglx running on X3100
[10:57] <Arwen> ^^
[10:58] <BluesKaj> ok Angelus..  cat /etc/X11/xorg.conf...try to find a xorg file that's  prvious to the new driver install
[10:58] <Arwen> the i810 and that one from earlier are deprecated now
[10:58] <mrksbrd> why?
[10:58] <Arwen> Intel consolidated them all into the "intel" driver
[10:59] <nosrednaekim> manchicken: off to the right.. is that defect or just a difference in the keyboard?
[11:00] <manchicken> I think it's a difference
[11:00] <coreymon77> scheuri: sorry, i got caught up with something
[11:00] <manchicken> Restarting X
[11:00] <scheuri> coreymon77: no worries
[11:02] <coreymon77> scheuri: okay
[11:02] <coreymon77> type this into konsole
[11:03] <coreymon77> kdesu kate /etc/wpa_supplicant.conf
[11:04] <scheuri> coreymon77: empty...meaning there is no such file already
[11:04] <coreymon77> scheuri: oh whoops, thats ubuntu
[11:05] <ubuntu_> Someone called?
[11:05] <mrksbrd> me
[11:05] <mrksbrd> chk prvt msg
[11:05] <ubuntu_> sorry what were you asking?
[11:05] <scheuri> coreymon77: there is a difference between ubuntu and kubuntu in terms of wpasupplicant?
[11:05] <ubuntu_> My router died
[11:05] <ubuntu_> No pvt messages
[11:06] <coreymon77> scheuri: slightly, there is a different way of doing things
[11:06] <mrksbrd> should i not upgrade if system isn't offering?
[11:06] <coreymon77> scheuri: could you maybe ask someone else, im not all that familiar with wpa
[11:06] <ubuntu_> mrksbrd: you want the new kernel?
[11:06] <ubuntu_> mrksbrd: What kernel do you have now?
[11:07] <mrksbrd> only if it will work & not mess something up!!!!!!!!!
[11:07] <scheuri> coreymon77: sure....but that helped already...so I need to modify that file....
[11:07] <ubuntu_> mrksbrd: What kernel do you have now?
[11:07] <mrksbrd> 2.6.20-16-generic
[11:07] <manchicken> What's the display manager for compiz?
[11:07] <nosrednaekim> manchicken: dusplay manager? you mean "compiz --replace"?
[11:07] <coreymon77> scheuri: i tried
[11:07] <ubuntu_> mrksbrd: you will get a notification of the update in a few days i guess
[11:08] <scheuri> coreymon77: I take it there is something in this file on your cmputer
[11:08] <mrksbrd> http://linux.softpedia.com/progDownload/Linux-Kernel-Download-1960.html
[11:08] <manchicken> Okay, so kde-display-manager --replace isn't the way to go it seems
[11:08] <nosrednaekim> manchicken: "kwin --replace"
[11:09] <ubuntu_> mrksbrd: is there something in there that you need?
[11:09] <manchicken> Hmm...
[11:09] <mrksbrd> that is the latest d/l of the kernal, just posted it so u could look @ it
[11:09] <coreymon77> scheuri: no, i use wep
[11:09] <coreymon77> scheuri: i dont even have the file
[11:09] <Solifugus> Is there a way to undelete a file?
[11:09] <scheuri> coreymon77: ah, I see...well, thanks for the hint...
[11:10] <Solifugus> to undelete a file i deleted from the command line?
[11:11] <ubuntu_> mrksbrd: I know
[11:13] <ubuntu_> mrksbrd: anything in there that you need drastically?
[11:16] <coreymon77> scheuri: i use kubuntu
[11:16] <coreymon77> scheuri: the ubuntu wiki shows there being a different way of setting it up
[11:16] <scheuri> coreymon77: I have Kubuntu as well
[11:17] <coreymon77> scheuri: i use wep though, not wpa which is definitely different
[11:17] <scheuri> coreymon77: indeed
[11:17] <martijn81> wpa does not seem to be stable to me either
[11:19] <scorpking> mrksbrd: try to google for ext3 undelete
[11:24] <ubuntu_> Solifugus: Nope
[11:24] <ubuntu_> Solifugus: First there is no trash on the command line unless you set it up yourself and second the ext3 file system REALLY removes a file so that sucker is gone
[11:25] <Solifugus> ubuntu_: u r mean
[11:25] <triger> Hello
[11:25] <triger> I need some help here
[11:25] <ubuntu_> !ask
[11:25] <ubotu> Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[11:25] <triger> Umm how can i get yahoo chat rooms in kubuntu
[11:26] <Solifugus> ubuntu_: but actually.. i installed with reiserfs 3.6... still.. i think the same is true.
[11:26] <ubuntu_> triger: I think that kopete should support them
[11:26] <triger> I tried
[11:26] <ubuntu_> Solifugus: the first thing kicks in then :)
[11:26] <triger> i cant even get the new version
[11:26] <triger> i dont know how to compile
[11:26] <Solifugus> ubuntu_: i really try to avoid ext3... too many corrupted systems.. reiserfs has been much better for me.
[11:26] <ubuntu_> triger: sorry?
[11:26] <ubuntu_> Solifugus: More power man
[11:27] <martijn81> triger: newest 0.12.4 is in kde 3.5.6 and up
[11:28] <Ardin> Ok, got a question about Kubuubu. i have slackware installed right now, and i have my home partition on its own. i just finally got kde the way i want it. if i install kubuntu, will it stay the same? (as long as i dont change the home mount point obviously)
[11:28] <martijn81> upgrade to that is in edgy and feisty already comes with it
[11:28] <nosrednaekim> Ardin: yep..
[11:28] <manchicken> Is there a better, more kubuntu-focused, compiz doc?
[11:28] <ubuntu_> Ardin: Yeah
[11:28] <ubuntu_> as long as you install the apps that you wnt
[11:28] <triger> how do i update to 7.04
[11:29] <ubuntu_> triger: what are you on now?
[11:29] <triger> kubuntu edgy
[11:29] <ubuntu_> !upgrade
[11:29] <ubotu> See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes for upgrading from Kubuntu 6.10 (Edgy Eft) to Kubuntu 7.04 (Feisty Fawn)
[11:31] <Ardin> ok, now is it really worth it? i mean, isthe package management system just that great? also, is it a debian based system, or is it more like the other linux systems i've used
[11:31] <triger> Reading package lists... Done
[11:31] <triger> Building dependency tree... Done
[11:31] <triger> E: Couldn't find package update-manager-core
[11:32] <triger> See no good
[11:32] <ubuntu_> triger: You updated the sources.list to feisty ?
[11:33] <triger> i tried it failed
[11:33] <ubuntu_> triger: what were you falling?
[11:34] <triger> Look i need to get into yahoo chat rooms kopete doesnt support it.
[11:34] <triger> So next ? what will
[11:34] <ubuntu_> following sorry not falling
[11:35] <scorpking> triger: what do you use on windows for chatrooms?
[11:35] <ubuntu_> yahoo does have a linux client
[11:35] <triger> lol
[11:35] <triger> Doesnt make any sense
[11:35] <triger> Plz
[11:36] <jhutchins> does pidgin?
[11:36] <martijn81> what about pidgin?
[11:36] <triger> Linux uses yahoo client
[11:36] <martijn81> LOL
[11:36] <Ardin> pidgin
[11:36] <triger> i cant get pidgin on kde
[11:36] <Ardin> ... why not?
[11:36] <triger> It is grub
[11:36] <ubuntu_> triger: I think you mean Gnome
[11:36] <triger> Yes
[11:36] <triger> Sorry
[11:36] <triger> Gnome
[11:36] <Ardin> ... i can install it on windows, i'm sure you can install it on kde
[11:36] <ubuntu_> Does'nt make a difference
[11:37] <triger> lol
[11:37] <triger> windows compared to linux
[11:37] <triger> man your lost
[11:37] <Ardin> ..... no, i'm really not
[11:37] <triger> Yes really you are
[11:37] <ubuntu_> ok then help us :)
[11:37] <Ardin> GTK+ libraries can be installed seperate from gnome
[11:37] <triger> msdos it dfferent then kde
[11:37] <scorpking> triger: go to http://webmessenger.yahoo.com/
[11:37] <titancompu>  Hey, I have two internet connections available to me. My personal one and my schools. I have two NICs available as well. Is it possible to combine the power of the two internets together?
[11:37] <triger> lol
[11:38] <triger> It wont let me in char rooms
[11:38] <triger> chat
[11:38] <scorpking> :-( google.com
[11:38] <triger> tried it
[11:39] <Ardin> triger:  what i was saying, was that if they have a windows client that is just a couple changed lines in source, that i'm pretty sure pidgin can be installed with KDE as your desktop enviorment. you just need to install the gtk+ libraries
[11:39] <Ardin> hell, i can prove it works under "kde"
[11:39] <Angelus> BluesKaj:  i managed to get my Xserver to start but im getting the following error now http://rafb.net/p/rK3MA140.html
[11:39] <spiroo> drif?
[11:39] <Ardin> i'm running it right now
[11:39] <ubuntu_> Ardin: just give him the apt command
[11:39] <triger> yes
[11:39] <triger> I am about ready to go back to ubuntu
[11:40] <Ardin> ubuntu_: never used apt yet... i have to install kubuntu first... i'm on slackware12.0
[11:40] <ubuntu_> triger: you can get to yahoo chat under ubuntu?
[11:40] <spiroo> are you still there drif, my internet just shutted down for a sec
[11:40] <ubuntu_> Ardin: ok :)
[11:40] <triger> Yea but it wont let me into the rooms
[11:40] <triger> i dont know why
[11:40] <triger> i double click it and nothing happenes
[11:41] <triger> dont waste of time
[11:42] <triger> dont download kubuntu
[11:42] <triger> Worthless
[11:42] <Ardin> ... its fine if you understand how linux works
[11:42] <Ardin> you can install the gtk libraries
[11:42] <Ardin> in fact, most non kde applications need them
[11:42] <triger> Ok fuck this shit ardin you are the biggest idiot in this room see ye
[11:42] <scorpking> triger: be nice plz...
[11:43] <Ardin> whoa... what the hell?
[11:43] <PriceChild> triger, no personal attacks int his channel and watch your language.
[11:43] <Ardin> wtf did i do now?
[11:43] <Ardin> ..... i was being nice! ... how did i manage to get him to go nutball by being nice?
[11:44] <Ardin> ok, ubuntu_ i have a serious question for you
[11:44] <Ardin> ubuntu_: if i install kubuntu.. will i turn into him?
[11:44] <Ardin> cause i dont want that
[11:46] <Angelus> lol Aranel
[11:46] <Angelus> * Ardin
[11:46] <Angelus> no dude, thats called attitude problem
[11:46] <Angelus> lol!!
[11:46] <Ardin> ok, now one more question
[11:47] <Ardin> is the command "make" installed by default? because i tend to compile alot of extra programs
[11:47] <Ardin> and i just ran into something on a forum about it wasnt
[11:47] <PriceChild> Ardin, sudo apt-get install build-essential
[11:47] <Ardin> thats it?
[11:47] <Angelus> hmm not sure , but if its not u can always install it from Adept(kubuntu's package manager)
[11:47] <Ardin> ok
[11:47] <Ardin> :)
[11:48] <Ardin> well, hopefully if this goes correctly, this wont mess with my settings.. here we go
[11:48] <iwin> i have an external hdd and fat32 partition (on the internal) and im pretty sure it only shows up in konqueror if i have some special priviledge cuz it aint showing up now. how can i make it show up all the time?
[11:50] <scorpking> iwin: check the permissions on the directory where it's mounted.
[11:51] <iwin> scorpking: ok, now i know what to do when it shows up. but how do i get it to show up? login as root?
[11:52] <msr2c> lo all
[11:52] <scorpking> iwin: if it is in /etc/fstab you might wanna add 'users' to the options so you can mount it as a normal user. see the cdrom entry
[11:52] <scorpking> iwin: sudo mount -a
[11:53] <clars_> hi - is here a channel for _64 users?
[11:56] <ubuntu_> this is it
[11:57] <Billiard> hey could someone help me with bluetooth, i can view all the files on my phone but if i try to send or recieve it fails
[11:58] <clars_> can i run i386 apps on my _64 install - because skype does nor come in an _64 version
[11:58] <scorpking> Billiard: check the logs in /var/log to see why.
[12:00] <qortrans> hi
[12:00] <manchicken> !beryl
[12:00] <ubotu> beryl is a window manager that takes advantage of an OpenGL accelerated X environment. Help in #ubuntu-effects
[12:00] <manchicken> Bot die?
[12:00] <qortrans> how do I start a program that I've isntalled through Wine?
[12:00] <qortrans> I don't find it
[12:00] <manchicken> !xgl
[12:00] <ubotu> Compiz (compositing window manager) and XGL (X server architecture layered on top of OpenGL) - Howto at http://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager - Help in #ubuntu-effects
[12:01] <scorpking> qortrans: it is in the /home/user/.wine directory
[12:01] <qortrans> scorpking: how do I start it?
[12:02] <scorpking> qortrans: go to the directory and run - wine program
[12:03] <qortrans> what am I dong wrong?
[12:03] <qortrans> Warning: the specified System directory L"c:\\windows\\system32" is not accessible.
[12:03] <qortrans> is that normal?
[12:06] <scorpking> qortrans: never seen that. don't know. have you tried #winehq ?
[12:12] <gary> hello
[12:12] <Ardin> well, that sucked
[12:12] <BluesKaj> If someone asks about Yahoochat again , one way to access it is thru the Opera 9 browser if Kopete doesn't work
[12:13] <gary> hey i need to know how to make my media player play dvd movies
[12:13] <Ardin> so, i go and try and install kubuntu fiesty, and it just kinda hung when trying to read my partitions
[12:14] <Ardin> tried the installer 3 times. for today, i have given up
[12:14] <ubuntu_> Ardin: No You would have to install Ubuntu after years of unsing windows to become him
[12:15] <tripp> hi
[12:15] <gary> i have kunbutu on my gateway laptop everything works great
[12:15] <tripp> can u take me the italian channel?
[12:15] <Ardin> ubuntu_: yeah, but even then i'm not that stupid
[12:16] <gary> except i need decoder or something
[12:16] <ubuntu_> !it
[12:16] <ubotu> Vai su #ubuntu-it o su #kubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie!
[12:17] <tripp> !it
[12:17] <gary> kubuntu rocks
[12:17] <gary> everything works if u know how to install and partiotion it right
[12:17] <Ardin> gary: everything works if you isntall it right
[12:17] <Ardin> :)
[12:17] <BluesKaj> gary, install libdvdcss2 and libxine-extrcodecs and w32codecs
[12:18] <gary> how do i do that
[12:18] <gary> im knew to this distro
[12:19] <BluesKaj> gary,  libdvdcss2 will enable your dvd drive to play copy p[rotected dvds
[12:19] <Ardin> s/knew/new
[12:20] <qortrans> is there an app in Kubuntu to mount damn bin cue and iso files?
[12:20] <BluesKaj> gary, are yo familiar with command line ?
[12:20] <qortrans> XP can with MagicISO
[12:20] <ubuntu_> gary: alt+space -> adept -> press enter
[12:20] <DaleksUnited> ok, im being really stupid - but in Kubuntu, how do you look to see which files are on a floppy disk :$
[12:20] <BluesKaj> qortrans, kiso
[12:20] <ubuntu_> DaleksUnited: Mount it I guess
[12:20] <DaleksUnited> ok
[12:21] <DaleksUnited> assume im new to linux
[12:21] <gary> then whado i do t
[12:21] <BluesKaj> DaleksUnited, system menu.storage media
[12:21] <ubuntu_> DaleksUnited: You see the K in the lower left?
[12:22] <ubuntu_> gary: adept menu -> manage repos
[12:22] <DaleksUnited> BluesKaj: shows as empty, even though I know GRUB is on there
[12:22] <DaleksUnited> ubuntu_ - yeah
[12:22] <BluesKaj> oh grub
[12:22] <ubuntu_> DaleksUnited: click the computer beside it -> storage media
[12:23] <DaleksUnited> ubuntu_: ok, thanks - but its showing the disk as emtpy, when there is stuff on it
[12:23] <kgx> anyone ever got "System I/O error" in cyrus?
[12:23] <ubuntu_> gary: adept menu being the one in the top left corner
[12:26] <BluesKaj> actually DaleksUnited, try to edit grub itself
[12:27] <ubuntu_> gary: still there?
[12:27] <DaleksUnited> BluesKaj: how?
[12:28] <DaleksUnited> (i installed it onto fd0 instead of hd0 so that windows was left intact and boots normally)
[12:28] <ubuntu_> and you have to use a floppy to get into linux?
[12:28] <ubuntu_> that's ... archaic :)
[12:29] <BluesKaj> DaleksUnited open grub with this command : alt+f2 then type ' kdesu kate /boot/grub/menu.lst '
[12:29] <coreymon77> ubuntu_: oh, i used to have to do that
[12:29] <coreymon77> ubuntu_: before my bro spent an entire day fixing my bios
[12:30] <ubuntu_> flashedit?
[12:30] <DaleksUnited> ubuntu_: i want it that way, so that windows will load normally if i dont do anything, and so that its really easy to get rid of linux late
[12:30] <DaleksUnited> later*
[12:31] <BluesKaj> DaleksUnited, can you copy and paste your file to  www.pastebin.ca so we can take a look to further advise you ?
[12:31] <W1ZrD> How can I get root permission in konqurer?
[12:31] <ubuntu_> DaleksUnited: You know you can do that with Grub on the Hd right?
[12:32] <ubuntu_> W1ZrD: kdesu konqueror
[12:32] <Ardin> coolest feature of any music player: the ability to load a random playlist (not random files... a random list of files that it's gonna play)
[12:32] <W1ZrD> ah, thnx
[12:32] <DaleksUnited> BluesKaj: not easily...linux doesnt work with my wireless card, so that PC isnt online
[12:33] <DaleksUnited> i think ive got the GRUB issue sorted now though
[12:33] <ubuntu_> !wifi
[12:33] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[12:34] <DaleksUnited> i tried that with ubuntu 6..ill try tomorrow with kubuntu7
[12:35] <DaleksUnited> last question for tonight - how do I access my second HDD from linux?
[12:35] <ubuntu_> Feisty worked with mone
[12:35] <ubuntu_> then gutsy broke it
[12:35] <ubuntu_>  Looks like tribe 5 fixed it
[12:35] <ubuntu_> DaleksUnited: Mount it :0
[12:35] <BluesKaj> DaleksUnited, ok then , you will see under 'examples" a few lines referring to windows..copy those lines down to " chainloader +1 " , and place them at the bottom of the file, and save the file
[12:35] <ubuntu_> DaleksUnited: Want a quick dirty way right now?
[12:36] <rignes> Hello.
[12:36] <DaleksUnited> ubuntu_ - if youve got one