[12:45] <thumper> s-x-u: re: xubuntu users team, it could be that the xubuntu users team isn't actually associated with any bugs or specs in Launchpad
[12:45] <s-x-u> thanks
[12:46] <s-x-u> about asking a question to a team ?
[12:46] <thumper> s-x-u: as far as asking questions, I don't think teams are targets
[12:46] <thumper> you ask questions on projects
[12:46] <thumper> not teams
[12:46] <thumper> AFAIK
[12:48] <s-x-u> ok thanks /// i do not understand the last word im dutch 
[12:49] <spiv> mpt: no
[12:49] <thumper> s-x-u: As Far As I Know
[12:51] <s-x-u> ok thanks
[01:48] <tj9991> hey everyone, I was hoping that I could contact someone about a translation template taking quite some time to import. I moved my project to a different name which uses the same template three days ago
[01:49] <tj9991> I can't get any translation done while it is in the queue, and I wanted to know if someone could speed it along, as I already had the previous template approved
[02:44] <_gpg_> hi
[02:46] <_gpg_> i aked this question few months ago, but well, I would like to know if Launchpad will be open source in the feature, any one got any related links about this fact please ?
[02:49] <_gpg_> good night
[02:53] <spiv> _gpg_: https://launchpad.net/faq
[02:53] <_gpg_> Sourceforge is open source
[02:56] <_gpg_> ty for the answer btw, the text didnt change for a while, honeslty i prefere to read "we dont want to open the code and we dont care" rather the to read "Sourceforge"
[02:56] <_gpg_> see you later
[03:04] <mpt> _gpg_, as I understand it, the code sourceforge.net runs is quite different from the open-sourced code
[03:04] <mpt> but anyway, we are actively planning to open the Launchpad code
[03:04] <mpt> there just isn't a definite date for it.
[07:05] <ubotu> New bug: #134997 in malone "Clicking "Add a comment" doesn't immediately let me do so" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/134997
[07:15] <ubotu> New bug: #134998 in malone "Clicking assignee field's radio button should focus the field" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/134998
[07:30] <ubotu> New bug: #135002 in launchpad-answers ""Ask a question" form doesn't auto-focus the "Summary:" field" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/135002
[08:30] <ubotu> New bug: #135006 in malone ""Also affects distribution/package" doesn't focus distribution menu" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/135006
[08:33] <carlos> morning
[08:50] <ubotu> New bug: #135008 in rosetta ""Languages in Launchpad" page doesn't auto-focus search field" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/135008
[09:00] <ubotu> New bug: #135009 in blueprint "Search field isn't auto-focused on Blueprints front page" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/135009
[09:12] <mpt> whoa
[09:13] <mpt> thumper or jml, tell me about registering branches you're not the author of
[09:13] <mpt> How often does that happen?
[09:15] <jml> mpt: I don't know.
[09:15] <jml> mpt: it's entirely possible.
[09:15] <mpt> I see that it's possible
[09:15] <ubotu> New bug: #135010 in launchpad-bazaar "Green links in project cloud aren't explained" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/135010
[09:15] <ubotu> New bug: #135012 in launchpad-bazaar "Search field isn't auto-focused on Code front page" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/135012
[09:15] <mpt> e.g. https://code.launchpad.net/~jamesh/+addbranch
[09:16] <mpt> I was just surprised
[09:16] <mpt> but I guessed it might be possible, from the awkwardness of the sentence beginning the form for registering your own branch
[09:16] <mpt> "Register a new Bazaar branch whose author is Matthew Paul Thomas."
[09:16] <mpt> as if that's not what I'm doing already :-)
[09:19] <jml> mpt: you mean something different from what I thought you meant.
[09:19] <jml> I'm not sure if I like this feature.
[09:21] <mpt> well
[09:21] <mpt> Is it morally different from getting a Bazaar import of a project?
[09:25] <mpt> I suppose it makes misattributing branches easy
[09:25] <spiv> mpt: Well, it seems it has the potential for causing mischief, by allowing random people to attribute arbitrary work to other people.
[09:26] <ubotu> New bug: #135014 in launchpad-bazaar ""Register a branch" page begins with awkward sentence" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/135014
[09:27] <spiv> It'll still be "owned" by the actual registrant, but the owner can reassign it.
[09:27] <spiv> So that does seem dangerous.
[09:35] <ubotu> New bug: #135015 in launchpad "Search field isn't auto-focused on front page" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/135015
[09:46] <unimatrix9> translators around?
[09:50] <ubotu> New bug: #135018 in launchpad "Search field isn't auto-focused on Projects page" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/135018
[09:51] <unimatrix9> well thanks ubotu
[09:51] <unimatrix9> :)
[09:55] <ubotu> New bug: #135020 in rosetta "Clicking "Add more lines" doesn't auto-focus the newly-expanded field" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/135020
[10:25] <gnomefreak> anyone know what the following error means? bzr: ERROR: Selected-file commit of merges is not supported yet: files debian/changelog
[10:25] <ubotu> New bug: #135022 in launchpad-bazaar "TestCase.run_bzr loads plugins by default" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/135022
[10:28] <gnomefreak> nevermind it was wrong package :(
[11:00] <ubotu> New bug: #135026 in launchpad "duplicate pptp projects" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/135026
[11:59] <mpathy> Hi there
[11:59] <mpathy> how can I delete a project I registered in launchpad?
[11:59] <mpathy> I found no link for that
[12:02] <jordi_> mpathy: request the project to be hidden via a question.
[12:13] <pin17931> Hi, import of an external svn repository for the opendental project failed. I was told to ask here for more info. Anyone can help?
[12:21] <mpathy> jordi: Is it really that... cumbersome?
[12:21] <mpathy> thats a feature every other platform hast
[12:21] <mpathy> -t
[12:37] <jordi> mpathy: apparently "remove" operations are quite complicated, due to the big amount of info the database holds.
[12:38] <jordi> if a project holds translations, for example, they would be shared across LP for others to benefit from them; removing them would be complicated, and is not yet supported as in "removing". For now, they are hidden.
[12:38] <jordi> pin17931: with a bit of patience, someone will.
[12:43] <mpathy> okay
[12:44] <pin17931> jordi: ok, I'll wait
[12:47] <gnomefreak> do we have a date for release of PPA?
[01:57] <seb128> hi
[01:57] <seb128> carlos, danilos: could one of you look at bug #135051 and comment?
[01:57] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 135051 in gcalctool "Dutch upstream translation not included" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/135051
[01:58] <carlos> I will take a look
[01:58] <seb128> thanks
[02:05] <ubotu> New bug: #135052 in rosetta "assertion failure in POTemplateURL.__init__" [Low,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/135052
[02:06] <carlos> seb128: that's no sense
[02:06] <seb128> carlos: what do you mean?
[02:07] <carlos> seb128: it's fully translated in Launchpad (at least for Gutsy)
[02:07] <carlos> and there is just one message that doesn't match what upstream has
[02:07] <carlos> seb128: https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/gutsy/+source/gcalctool/+pots/gcalctool/nl/+translate
[02:08] <carlos> seb128: and same in Feisty
[02:08] <seb128> carlos: might be due to the fact that language packs are outdated
[02:08] <carlos> and Dapper... so I don't really see any problem in gcalctool...
[02:09] <seb128> Version: 1:7.10+20070803
[02:09] <carlos> that's not so outdated... but maybe, yes
[02:09] <seb128> do you know why they are not updated weekly nowadays?
[02:09] <carlos> because changes on PPA, Martin told me that they will not be updated while he's on out
[02:10] <carlos> hmmm
[02:10] <carlos> he did an update last week though...
[02:10] <seb128> is he still updating them daily somewhere?
[02:11] <carlos> seb128: he's using PPA, he built new packages around 19th this month and told me that was last version until he's back
[02:12] <seb128> k
[02:12] <seb128> thanks
[02:12] <carlos> so either it's blocked on the approval queue
[02:12] <carlos> or something went wrong and the upload to the archive failed
[02:12] <seb128> the upload failed most likely
[02:12] <carlos> will you answer that user?
[02:13] <seb128> yes
[02:13] <carlos> ok, thanks
[02:13] <seb128> I'll talk to him on IRC
[02:13] <seb128> you're welcome
[02:13] <seb128> thank you for looking at it
[02:13] <carlos> if there is something else that I'm missing, please ping me again
[02:13] <carlos> np
[02:13] <seb128> will do
[02:14] <pin17931> (sorry for asking again:) Hi, import of an external svn repository for the opendental project failed. I was told to ask here for more info. Anyone can help?
[02:37] <seb128> carlos: do you know when the current translation has been imported?
[02:40] <carlos> let me check...
[02:42] <carlos> seb128: it was not imported recently, it's there since, at least, 2007-04-13 (at least translations that changed something in Launchpad)
[02:42] <carlos> seb128: also, there is another file waiting to be imported
[02:42] <seb128> carlos: that's weird
[02:42] <seb128> the upstream translation has been updated in july and august
[02:43] <seb128> and we uploaded the new versions corresponding
[02:45] <carlos> seb128: it could be that we already had those translations applied by someone else
[02:45] <carlos> let me see the mail log...
[02:46] <carlos> ok
[02:46] <carlos> seb128: last import in Gutsy
[02:46] <carlos> was done 11th August
[02:46] <carlos> and all translations were accepted and applied
[02:46] <seb128> ok, thanks
[02:46] <carlos> 367 translations
[02:46] <seb128> so it's likely due to the outdated language pack
[02:47] <seb128> and the example he gave me seems to be the only string which has been changed on launchpad
[02:47] <carlos> so the complain is about changes they did that are not applied?
[02:47] <seb128> yes
[02:47] <seb128> we really need to update language pack weekly
[02:48] <carlos> we were doing it, although the changes to production server of PPA broke that..
[02:49] <carlos> so don't worry, it's not usual that we get so long to update them
[02:50] <bluekuja> carlos, is ppa down atm?
[02:51] <Fujitsu> bluekuja: What gives you that idea?
[02:51] <bluekuja> Fujitsu, unable to upload
[02:52] <bluekuja> maybe wrong address
[02:52] <bluekuja> Fujitsu, works fine for you?
[02:52] <Fujitsu> Hm, upload.dogfood.launchpad.net:21 is broken, it seems.
[02:52] <carlos> bluekuja: no, it's not
[02:52] <bluekuja> Fujitsu, yep
[02:52] <bluekuja> that's why I cannot upload
[02:52] <carlos> cprov: ?
[02:54] <cprov> carlos: yes
[02:54] <carlos> cprov: please, read the last lines
[02:54] <carlos> seems like upload.dogfood.launchpad.net is now down
[02:54] <cprov> carlos: I'm checking
[02:54] <carlos> cprov: thanks
[02:56] <cprov> carlos: should be back.
[02:56] <bluekuja> cprov, thanks ;)
[02:56] <bluekuja> works fine now
[02:57] <cprov> bluekuja: nop
[03:00] <carlos> cprov: :-)
[03:04] <carlos> seb128: btw, I'm not sure whether you know about this new urls: https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/gutsy/+source/gcalctool/+imports
[03:05] <seb128> carlos: no, I didn't know about it, thanks
[03:05] <seb128> or I looked at something similar some time ago but I'm not familiar with it ;)
[03:06] <carlos> seb128: so you can see there whether there is something pending to be reviewed, or failed or even already imported (will only note that for three days since it was imported)
[03:06] <carlos> seb128: it's there only since last week
[03:06] <seb128> you had an import queue similar to that some time ago no?
[03:07] <carlos> yes
[03:07] <carlos> we have such queue
[03:07] <carlos> but with everything mixed
[03:07] <seb128> k, so that's probably what I looked at previously
[03:07] <seb128> right
[03:07] <carlos> seb128: you even have https://translations.launchpad.net/people/+me/+imports now
[03:08] <seb128> k
[03:08] <carlos> later!
[03:08] <seb128> enjoy your lunch
[03:20] <soren> Recently, there's been a few bugs on my bug list that I can't remember seeing there before, and I can't figure out why they're there. E.g. https://bugs.launchpad.net/firefox/+bug/14911 .  I may be a subscriber (or reporter, actually) of one of the duplicate bugs, but I can't unsubscribe from this one (and hence make it go away from my bug list).
[03:20] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 14911 in firefox "Flash plugin problem with ARGB visuals causes crash" [Medium,In progress]   - Assigned to Mozilla Bugs (mozilla-bugs)
[03:22] <soren> I'm not listed in the list of subscribers, by the way.
[03:22] <kiko> soren, let me check.
[03:23] <kiko> soren, what's your launchpad username, and what's the URL of the buglist page you are looking at?
[03:23] <soren> username: shawarma
[03:24] <soren> https://bugs.launchpad.net/~shawarma
[03:26] <kiko> soren, ah, the reason is that we now include bugs which you have /commented on/ in that default listing
[03:26] <seb128> that's not cool
[03:26] <kiko> I think that would be worth being customizable (what your default parameters for your bugs homepage was)
[03:27] <soren> kiko: I might actually find that useful.. I'd like to be able to remove it from the list if I don't care anymore.... which I don't :)
[03:27] <kiko> but I haven't considered it yet
[03:27] <seb128> having an option would be nice
[03:27] <seb128> people tend to open bugs on wrong packages
[03:27] <seb128> and I don't want to have those bugs on my list just because I reassign and add a comment ;)
[03:27] <kiko> soren, the question is -- are you not actually interested in +subscribedbugs or +assignedbugs or +reportedbugs?
[03:28] <kiko> sabe for seb128 
[03:28] <kiko> same 
[03:28] <soren> kiko: Good point.
[03:28] <soren> kiko: So the default page is the union of assigned, commented on and reported bugs?
[03:28] <soren> (or thereabouts)
[03:29] <kiko> I believe it also include bugs reported
[03:29] <soren> Er... and subscribed bugs.
[03:29] <kiko> wow, I did even worse than you. :)
[03:29] <soren> \o/
[03:30] <soren> Hmm... That might not actually be completely braindead :)
[03:30] <soren> That could be useful at some point.
[03:30] <soren> I've just gotten used to the main bug list page is the one I want and suddenly it wasn't anymore :)
[03:31] <ubotu> New bug: #135061 in rosetta "Restricted manager translations not in gutsy" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/135061
[03:31] <kiko> yeah, which is why I'm asking whether it should be customizable or.. something else.
[03:31] <soren> For me, subscribed bugs would be a saner default.
[03:32] <kiko> directly subscribed bugs
[03:32] <kiko> yeah
[03:43] <kiko> matsubara, I just filed a bug for https://devpad.canonical.com/~jamesh/oops.cgi/2007-08-26/B1248 which showed up this weekend
[03:43] <kiko> (so you don't have to :)
[03:46] <matsubara> thanks kiko 
[03:50] <shirish>  hi all, how do I link the upstream bug-report in the new interface?
[03:50] <ubotu> New bug: #135064 in launchpad "RenamedView dies when raising NotFound" [Medium,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/135064
[03:51] <shirish> anybody, reported a bug in launchpad as well as in GNOME, now wanna track the GNOME bug-tracker, any ideas?
[03:53] <Hobbsee> shirish: doesnt look possible anymore, or kde.
[03:53] <Hobbsee> what a pain.
[03:53] <shirish> Hobbsee: thanx for the reply :(
[03:57] <shirish> Hobbsee: for e.g. I made this bug-report https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gwget2/+bug/135065 & made up-stream bug report at http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=470696 now how do I join the 2?
[03:57] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 135065 in gwget2 "use binary prefix instead of decimal SI prefix" [Undecided,New]  
[03:58] <Hobbsee> shirish: no idea.  i dont work on launchpad.
[03:58] <shirish> Hobbsee: ok cool, thanx
[03:59] <Fujitsu> shirish: You do the sane thing... `Also affects: Project'
[03:59] <Hobbsee> Fujitsu: not if the project isnt listed in launchpad, it seems.
[03:59] <shirish> Fujitsu: GNOME isn't listed in projects I'm afraid :(
[03:59] <Fujitsu> Right, you create the project.
[04:00] <Hobbsee> Fujitsu: you shouldnt have to, for a registered upstream bugtracker.
[04:00] <Hobbsee> Fujitsu: i'm sure we didnt used to
[04:00] <Fujitsu> Hobbsee: It has been like that for at least a year... probably a lot longer.
[04:01] <Hobbsee> Fujitsu: you'd still be able to put in the upstream URL iirc
[04:01] <Fujitsu> You need a project to link it to first.
[04:02] <Hobbsee> oh, so it does
[04:02] <Hobbsee> what a pain
[04:02] <Hobbsee> that's why i end up filing everything KDE under kdebase.
[04:02] <Hobbsee> until i created the bzr dirs
[04:03] <Fujitsu> I think there's a bug targetted to 1.1.9 to make project registration trivial.
[04:03] <Hobbsee> i dont see why it cant say "i have a URL to the upstream tracker here, track this"
[04:04] <Fujitsu> Because it needs to know what upstream is...
[04:04] <Hobbsee> call it " KDE bug tracker"
[04:04] <Fujitsu> No, that's a bug tracker, not an upstream.
[04:04] <Hobbsee> well, you can select that, still without knowing the project.  or it can just parse the URL.
[04:04] <Hobbsee> which wouldnt be hard, as it already has a list of all the registered bugtrackers.
[04:04] <Fujitsu> Bug trackers do not have a one-to-one mapping with projects.
[04:05] <shirish> Fujitsu: I need to tell it that I've already a filed a bug in the upstream bug-tracker
[04:05] <Fujitsu> shirish: Right, so you need to create a gwget(2) project.
[04:05] <shirish> Fujitsu: even if I use https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/projects/+new there is nothing about where the upstream bug-tracker
[04:06] <Hobbsee> Fujitsu: indeed, but one would only need to know which bugtracker it was referring to
[04:06] <Fujitsu> shirish: projects aren't linked to bug trackers initially...
[04:06] <Hobbsee> Fujitsu: rather than what package under what bugtracker
[04:06] <Fujitsu> Hobbsee: No, one needs to know which project it points to, in order to have some context.
[04:06] <Hobbsee> oh, hmmm.
[04:06] <Fujitsu> (yes, I'm defending LP's way of doing things... I never thought I'd see the day)
[04:08] <Fujitsu> LP doesn't have an `upstream from Ubuntu' idea, it has the idea of separate tasks for distributions, upstream projects, and they're not related.
[04:08] <Hobbsee> ah, true
[04:08] <Hobbsee> how useful
[04:08] <Hobbsee> you know, i would have thought that the fact that they were listed on the same bug did make them rather related...or at least *should* make them rather related...
[04:08] <Fujitsu> The only way they're related is that hitting `Also affects' will often give a sane default if links have already been created.
[04:09] <Hobbsee> yeah
[04:09] <shirish> Fujitsu: for name its giving me an error 
[04:09] <shirish>  Invalid name 'gwget(2)'. Names must start with a letter or number and be lowercase. The characters +, - and . are also allowed after the first character.            
[04:09] <Hobbsee> shirish: read what you pasted again.
[04:09] <Hobbsee> shirish: and then think on it.
[04:10] <shirish> ah, the () are not allowed as its not told
[04:10] <Hobbsee> correct!
[04:11] <shirish> lol
[04:11] <Hobbsee> the whole "stupid questions deserve stupid answers" thing.
[04:12] <shirish> Hobbsee: agreed
[04:12] <Hobbsee> shirish: dont worry.  you're the third candidate for the stupidity award for the week :)
[04:12] <Hobbsee> shirish: but the other two are beating you
[04:12] <shirish> Hobbsee: ah saddened rofl
[04:13] <Hobbsee> shirish: the winner will probably get me hitting them over the head with a shovel.
[04:13] <shirish> I can picture that pretty realistically too ;)
[04:14] <shirish> Fujitsu: now we have 2 projects https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gwget2/ and https://edge.launchpad.net/gwget/ 
[04:15] <Fujitsu> shirish: The former isn't a project.
[04:15] <shirish> Hobbsee: I may still win the award 
[04:15] <Hobbsee> shirish: you havent asked who checks the bugs of $a particular launchpad team, yet.
[04:16] <Hobbsee> shirish: and you havent asked how to do something, done the complete opposite, and then bitched about it not working.
[04:16] <shirish> Hobbsee: I'm trying, bear with me please
[04:16] <Hobbsee> shirish: so no, you're not winning.
[04:16] <Hobbsee> hahaha
[04:16] <Hobbsee> hint:  you dont *want* to win
[04:17] <shirish> Hobbsee: I have seen your pic., hence even being 'hit' by you in any way would be a nice win (wink, wink) ;)
[04:17] <shirish> Fujitsu: back to where we were, now what is to be done?
[04:17] <Hobbsee> shirish: then remind me to hit you with a *very* large piece of concrete.
[04:17] <Fujitsu> shirish: Er, on the bug... `Also affects: Project', select project, enter URL, ..., PROFIT!
[04:17] <shirish> Hobbsee: with pleasure 
[04:18] <Hobbsee> shirish: i told keybuk this.  it wouldnt be pleasurable.  it would be a large piece of concrete, to the head, repeatedly.
[04:18] <Hobbsee> shirish: you'd end up on the floor, with lots of blood pouring out of your head.
[04:18] <Hobbsee> and in lots of pain
[04:18] <Hobbsee> still, if that appeals....
[04:18] <Hobbsee> Fujitsu: excellent!
[04:19] <shirish> Hobbsee: bliss at last, then atleast wouldn't have to sit & see how to report stuff 'upstream' rofl
[04:19] <Hobbsee> shirish: i didnt know you wanted to be dead.  i'll have to remember that.
[04:20] <shirish> Fujitsu: Hobbsee: finally done the deed https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/gwget/+bug/135065
[04:20] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 135065 in gwget2 "use binary prefix instead of decimal SI prefix" [Undecided,New]  
[04:20] <shirish> Hobbsee: always a pleasure to talk/banter with you
[04:21] <shirish> Fujitsu: thank you for your help
[04:23] <shirish> guys can somebody help me with framing this bug-report https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/gwget/+bug/134960 (not a native English speaker) 
[04:23] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 134960 in gwget2 "progess with decimal increment as well" [Undecided,New]  
[04:24] <shirish> not sure if 'decimal increment' is the right term/word or not
[04:25] <Fujitsu> shirish: I think it should be incremental, 19.0001%, 19.0002%.
[04:25] <Fujitsu> Come to think of it, it could probably be 19.00000[12] %...
[04:27] <shirish> Fujitsu: true, but I was trying so its better than now, with two decimal places after . which should be enough unless one is doing something like 20-30 GiB on a slow connection. Of course this is an assumption/presumption. 
[04:32] <Hobbsee> shirish: didnt you know, though...girls dont exist on the intarweb - so that cant be my picture.
[04:32] <Hobbsee> !girls | shirish 
[04:32] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about girls - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:32] <Hobbsee> !girl | shirish 
[04:32] <ubotu> shirish: Girls dont exist on the internet.  See http://www.escapistmagazine.com/print/17/27
[04:33] <shirish> Hobbsee: will have to read that for sure :)
[04:33] <Hobbsee> indeed.
[04:42] <Hobbsee> Odd_Bloke: green alien.
[04:42] <Hobbsee> Odd_Bloke: like the link says, girls dont exist on the intarweb.
[04:45] <shirish> Hobbsee: honestly, wouldn't know what to call that.
[04:45] <Hobbsee> hm?
[04:45] <shirish> Hobbsee: I know my cousin sister uses gtalk & orkut all the time
[04:46] <shirish> Hobbsee: as well as couple of women whom I know and are hot, so that would be extreme to say
[04:46] <shirish> Hobbsee: what I would say is the anonymity of the net gives people to fake whatever one wants to
[04:47] <shirish> Hobbsee: for all you know, I could be a 15 yr. old kid or a  50-yr. old desperate guy, who knows what or who is true for sure
[04:48] <Hobbsee> this is, of course true.
[04:48] <Hobbsee> this is why people often use aliases, at least until they're well into the community
[04:49] <shirish> Hobbsee: true, and again being well into the community doesn't make things right overnight
[04:49] <Hobbsee> of course not
[04:49] <Hobbsee> i still have people like you talking to me.
[04:49] <Hobbsee> and wanting me to bash them up.
[04:51] <shirish> Hobbsee: but if I like somebody's picture, is that a bad thing? for e.g. if you liked I don't know 'somebody who looks like Brad Pitt' would you talk with him or not?
[04:51] <shirish> of course this is all virtual
[04:52] <Hobbsee> shirish: depends.  do you go up to random guys on the net and start talking to them in the same way as you would a girl who you didnt know, also on the net?
[04:53] <Hobbsee> shirish: also, i may like their picture, but i wouldnt take it for granted that htey'd actually want me, unless they indicated that.
[04:53] <shirish> Hobbsee: again depends, I have made some very good friends on the net, with whom I share a lot
[04:54] <shirish> Hobbsee: of course, I'm not saying either way
[04:55] <shirish> Hobbsee: another thing, while you think of the whole 'woman' angle on this, think of coming from a certain 'nation' & people have similar reactions. 
[04:56] <Hobbsee> huh?
[04:56] <Hobbsee> i'm not sure of what you're meaning
[04:57] <shirish> Hobbsee: ok, I'll try to tell you what I mean
[04:57] <kiko> Hobbsee, shirish: doesn't look possible anymore? what do you mean?
[04:58] <shirish> Hobbsee: I come from East Asia, India, and there are a few upstream projects where I try to give comments, do stuff, whatever and even after few months have passed, got accepted in the community
[04:58] <Hobbsee> kiko: it's very difficult ot figuer where to add an upstream link to a project
[04:58] <Hobbsee> kiko: as in, a bug report upstream to connect to a bug report on launchpad
[04:58] <kiko> Hobbsee, you mean "also affects upstream"?
[04:59] <Hobbsee> kiko: what was that,yes
[04:59] <kiko> we could have
[04:59] <kiko> link to remote bug
[04:59] <shirish> the moment I say I come from 'India', I get the same silent treatment as said in that report, or some kind of abuse for all 'outsourcing' and what not. 
[04:59] <kiko> but it's hard to design right because the upstream might use launchpad
[05:00] <Hobbsee> kiko: this is true
[05:00] <Hobbsee> shirish: yeah, true.  
[05:00] <kiko> Hobbsee, it might be easier if we said "Add a task"
[05:00] <kiko> but nobody lets me say that word
[05:00] <shirish> Hobbsee: see 
[05:00] <Hobbsee> kiko: still confusing as to what it acutally means.
[05:01] <Hobbsee> shirish: true, i see your point
[05:01] <kiko> Hobbsee, well, we could explain what tasks were, and it'd be the only explanation necessary
[05:01] <kiko> i.e. nobody knew what wikiwords were before we explained them either.
[05:01] <shirish> Hobbsee: and I think that is partly the reason why also there isn't much activity from developing countries as in developing stuff upstream. 
[05:02] <Hobbsee> shirish: possible
[05:03] <kiko> Hobbsee, wikiwords? :)
[05:03] <Hobbsee> kiko: yes
[05:03] <shirish> Hobbsee: I'm part of a LUG here, who's has been trying to promote Ubuntu and make people aware of IRC and stuff like that, apart from their own insecurities, I do hear stuff about this also
[05:03] <kiko> Hobbsee, or "bug attachments". my point is that there are certain things you learn and then end up taking for granted.
[05:03] <shirish> kiko: wikiwords I guess like FriendlyAlien if I'm not wrong
[05:03] <Hobbsee> kiko: true
[05:03] <pin17931> Hi, import of an external svn repository for the opendental project failed. I was told to ask here for more info. Anyone can help?
[05:04] <Hobbsee> kiko: but based on the fact htat i *still* get confused on this stuff each time...it eihter means i'm clueless on this area of LP, or it's just confusing.
[05:05] <shirish> Hobbsee: another thing I have been wanting to chew, just like Fedora has Fedora Ambassador for promotion of their project, does Ubuntu have something?
[05:05] <shirish> Hobbsee: chew/chew on
[05:06] <Hobbsee> shirish: probably ask the marketing team.  (#ubuntu-marketing)
[05:07] <shirish> Hobbsee: thanx
[05:07] <shirish> Hobbsee: sorry for blubbering on that, don't think you wanted to hear that story
[05:07] <Hobbsee> it's ok
[05:08] <shirish> Hobbsee: take care
[05:32] <carlos> cheers
[07:41] <gnomefreak> is LP bzr having issues for anyone else?
[07:42] <kiko> not that I know of
[08:07] <RainCT> hi
[08:07] <RainCT> is it possible to remove revision from a Bazaar branch in Launchpad?
[08:08] <LaserJock> kiko: available?
[08:09] <kiko> LaserJock, me!
[08:09] <kiko> RainCT, uncommit and push again
[08:10] <LaserJock> kiko: ok, the bug contact thing
[08:11] <LaserJock> in a number of teams I'm involved with we fairly regularly change bug contacts
[08:11] <LaserJock> it's not an every-day thing by any means
[08:11] <kiko> LaserJock, so, hang on I'm on the phone with tom
[08:11] <LaserJock> np
[08:23] <ircleuser> I have an administrative need with our Launchpad project
[08:24] <ircleuser> Is there anyone here that can help?
[08:24] <kiko> ircleuser, yes, give me a moment.
[08:27] <ircleuser> ok, thanks
[08:30] <pparks> Kiko, I work with ircleuser as well and am available if you have any question regarding our account.
[08:31] <kiko> okay
[08:31] <kiko> so LaserJock first
[08:31] <kiko> LaserJock, how many teams are we talking about?
[08:33] <LaserJock> sorry, was afk
[08:34] <LaserJock> well, there is edubuntu-bugs (I'm not admin) and motuscience (admin) and ubuntu-tex (admin)
[08:34] <kiko> is that all?
[08:34] <LaserJock> those are the ones that I'd be changing bug contacts on
[08:34] <kiko> I'll make you an admin of edubuntu-bugs
[08:34] <LaserJock> well, but my question is a bit more fundamental
[08:34] <LaserJock> with edubuntu-bugs I should be admin anyway
[08:35] <kiko> I'm failing to see fundamentals if that's the case :)
[08:35] <LaserJock> well
[08:35] <LaserJock> team admins can do pretty much anything
[08:35] <LaserJock> I personally feel ok with letting people set bug contacts
[08:35] <LaserJock> but I'm not so crazy about letting them approve members
[08:35] <LaserJock> for instance
[08:36] <LaserJock> I can understand for the bigger teams like bugsquad and ubuntu-memebers
[08:36] <LaserJock> where things can get crazy
[08:36] <kiko> I think limiting both things to team admins is not unreasonable, and I challenge you to find a case where a non-admin would need to set a bug contact without asking an admin for permission first.
[08:38] <LaserJock> heh, I used to have people do that all the time
[08:38] <LaserJock> especially with motuscience and ubuntu-tex
[08:38] <LaserJock> when it's a team of developers or something, there's no reason to not trust your team
[08:39] <LaserJock> it sets a big "us vs them" thing
[08:39] <LaserJock> granted, bug contact is fairly trivial
[08:39] <LaserJock> but I don't know what else you guys are going to do in the future, you know
[08:42] <kiko> so
[08:42] <kiko> the rationale for this, LaserJock, was
[08:42] <kiko> setting a bug contact can cause a /lot/ of mail to be received
[08:43] <kiko> so it should not be generally available
[08:43] <kiko> it's not too much overhead to contact a team admin if you need this done.
[08:43] <kiko> we did not constrain subscribing the team to a bug by means of the same rationale (it's only one item generating mail)
[08:44] <kiko> there isn't really a fundamental principle here -- the policy is what causes the least harm and inconvenience simultaneously
[08:44] <kiko> and in this case this was the call made
[08:44] <kiko> if you can find concrete situations in which the current implementation causes significant harm and inconvenience, then we can reconsider
[08:45] <kiko> but so far I haven't seen convincing evidence :)
[08:49] <LaserJock> well, me neither
[08:49] <LaserJock> I was more thinking that it would be good to give team admins some flexibility
[08:52] <kiko> LaserJock, in customizing the team policies? we have tried as a policy to avoid customizability unless really necessary
[08:52] <kiko> it increases the support and documentation overhead a lot
[08:57] <LaserJock> kiko: hmm, that make some sense
[08:58] <LaserJock> but I would think people would also find it sort of a turnoff
[08:58] <LaserJock> they have this service, but they can't customize it to suit their needs
[08:58] <LaserJock> but you're right about overhead
[08:59] <kiko> it makes the system harder to explain -- you need to ask the user "Do your team have option X enabled?"
[09:00] <LaserJock> yes, I write documentation too, I have an appreciation for that ;-)
[09:00] <kiko> if there was a significant drawback in not allowing it to be optional then I'd consider an option
[09:00] <kiko> no pun intended :)
[09:00] <kiko> but in general I prefer it when options model something concretely different in the real world
[09:01] <kiko> than a flag you set to work around something.
[09:01] <kiko> anyway, next up!
[09:01] <kiko> pparks, how may I help?
[09:01] <LaserJock> hehe
[09:01] <LaserJock> kiko: thanks for the chat :-)
[09:01] <kiko> LaserJock, it's always a pleasure to chat with someone so reasonable
[09:01] <LaserJock> pfft
[09:02] <LaserJock> I can be as stubborn as the next person
[09:02] <LaserJock> but I do *try*
[09:02] <kiko> you try to be stubborn?
[09:02] <LaserJock> no ;p , I try to be reasonable
[09:06] <LaserJock> kiko: I just sent a followup to the list, just to wrap the discussion up
[09:07] <LaserJock> in case somebody searches for it in the future
[09:07] <kiko> thanks
[09:07] <kiko> thanks so much
[09:12] <pparks> Sorry was in a team discussion
[09:12] <pparks> Are you ready for us to ask you a couple questions
[09:13] <kiko> pparks, sure I am.
[09:13] <pparks> We are the team that's responsible for the HPLIP page.
[09:14] <dwelch91> https://launchpad.net/hplip
[09:14] <dwelch91> The person who set up the page has left the company and we need access.
[09:14] <dwelch91> he was the only admin
[09:15] <dwelch91> (sorry, pparks' laptop ran out of battery)
[09:15] <pparks> Okay have power again
[09:15] <pparks> Sorry about that
[09:16] <kiko> dwelch91, pparks: okay, that happens.
[09:16] <kiko> pparks, can I suggest you create a team to manage that page, and I'll do the necessary reassignment?
[09:16] <dwelch91> can we be added as admins or reset the project?
[09:16] <kiko> by using a team you'll be able to delegate control of the project more flexibly
[09:16] <dwelch91> ok, what are the steps?
[09:17] <pparks> Do you have a link as well
[09:18] <kiko> dwelch91, pparks: to create a team: launchpad.net/people/+newteam
[09:18] <kiko> you can create it and add as many members and admins as you like
[09:18] <pparks> ok
[09:18] <kiko> once that's done just tell me the name of the team and I'll reassign.
[09:19] <pparks> Doing that right now
[09:20] <pparks> Team with hplip is already taken
[09:21] <dwelch91> We created a team named "hplip-team"
[09:21] <LaserJock> pparks: is Aaron Albright the guy that left?
[09:21] <dwelch91> how do we hook this up to the hplip project?
[09:21] <dwelch91> yes
[09:21] <dwelch91> he must have created the "hplip" team as well
[09:21] <LaserJock> it looks like he created the hplip team
[09:21] <dwelch91> he needs to be removed from the project
[09:22] <kiko> I'll sort it out.
[09:22] <dwelch91> or team, etc
[09:22] <LaserJock> so maybe kiko can just make you guys admins for hplip
[09:22] <dwelch91> that would be fine
[09:22] <dwelch91> i don't think pparks has a lp.net acct, but i di
[09:22] <dwelch91> do
[09:22] <dwelch91> "dwelch91"
[09:23] <dwelch91> on a related topic, is it possible to purge the "answers" section of the project?
[09:25] <kiko> dwelch91, meaning you wouldn't want to allow people to post questions to your team?
[09:25] <dwelch91> no, we want to get rid of all the old stuff that aaron had done in there - get a fresh start - we are moving our support from sf.net to lp.net
[09:26] <kiko> dwelch91, that's awesome to hear. I see now -- by purge you mean "do away with old questions", I imagine?
[09:27] <dwelch91> yes
[09:27] <dwelch91> its not a huge deal, but it would be nice to start with a "clean slate"
[09:29] <kiko> dwelch91, okay, so you're now an administrator of https://launchpad.net/~hplip 
[09:29] <dwelch91> great, thanks
[09:29] <dwelch91> 1 more question - 
[09:29] <kiko> dwelch91, as an admin you can add or remove people from that team by visiting https://launchpad.net/~hplip/+members
[09:29] <dwelch91> i reviewed your terms of service...
[09:30] <kiko> I imagine one thing you'll want to do is remove Aaron from that team (I didn't do it)
[09:30] <kiko> I also made ~hplip (the team) own hplip (the project)
[09:30] <dwelch91> do you have the same restriction as sf.net on only allowing FOSS s/w in the project download areas?
[09:30] <dwelch91> great, thanks
[09:30] <kiko> as you can review at https://launchpad.net/hplip/
[09:30] <dwelch91> i will shortly
[09:30] <kiko> dwelch91, I'll arrange with mthaddon to delete the superfluous hplip-team now that we've established that ~hplip is what we all wanted.
[09:31] <dwelch91> ok, good
[09:32] <kiko> dwelch91, I'm not sure we have the same restriction on the download area; it's a good question. 
[09:32] <kiko> dwelch91, if you post a question to answers.launchpad.net/launchpad I'll make sure it gets answered.
[09:32] <dwelch91> We are going to be needing to host some proprietary plugins into our FOSS driver...
[09:33] <dwelch91> the overall project is FOSS, but in order to support some of our devices, we have to ship some closed source .so files.
[09:33] <kiko> dwelch91, I see what you mean. well, just give me a URL to the question and I'll get it answered
[09:33] <dwelch91> we can't do that on sf.net, and are hoping we can on lp.net
[09:33] <dwelch91> URL to the question?
[09:34] <pparks> I got to run
 dwelch91, if you post a question to answers.launchpad.net/launchpad I'll make sure it gets answered.
[09:34] <dwelch91> oh, ok
[09:34] <kiko> I was referring to that
[09:34] <kiko> thanks
[09:34] <kiko> dwelch91, one last question
[09:34] <dwelch91> ga
[09:34] <kiko> ~hplip is currently owned by aaron
[09:34] <kiko> should I reassign to you or someone else?
[09:35] <dwelch91> he needs to be removed from the prj completely (replace w/me i guess)
[09:35] <dwelch91> "dwelch91"
[09:35] <kiko> the owner is the same as a project administrator in all regards except for the fact that he can't be demoted
[09:35] <kiko> okay, I'll fix that up.
[09:35] <dwelch91> thanks
[09:36] <kiko> done
[09:36] <kiko> dwelch91, by the way,
[09:36] <kiko> dwelch91, you'll probably want to change the contact email address for that team (which is currently set to aaron's email)
[09:36] <dwelch91> ok, will do
[09:37] <kiko> dwelch91, if you need any explanation of how that works just ask.
[09:37] <dwelch91> i will give it a try 1st
[09:37] <kiko> sure thing
[09:38] <dwelch91> https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad/+question/12319
[09:39] <kiko> thanks.
[09:40] <dwelch91> kiko, thanks for all your help
[09:41] <kiko> dwelch91, you're welcome; just ask if you need any guidance
[11:15] <ubotu> New bug: #135153 in malone "xsane segfaults" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/135153
[12:36] <mpt> ok, the person Bugs advanced search page is getting out of hand
[12:36] <mpt> 407 milestones listed
[12:37] <kiko> mpt, I asked BjornT to work on that and he blew me off!
[12:39] <LaserJock> yeah, I agree it is getting more difficult to find what you want
[12:41] <kiko> oh, that was tags. I'm confused. :)
[12:41] <kiko> mpt, we should probably omit milestones from that view.
[12:42] <mpt> kiko, and what would be the replacement way of making them searchable?
[12:42] <mpt> Let's say I want to return bugs assigned to me that are targeted to any of Launchpad 1.1.9, Launchpad Bugs 1.1.9, Launchpad Translations 1.1.9, or Soyuz 1.1.9
[12:43] <kiko> mpt, is that really necessary for the person view?
[12:43] <kiko> why don't you just visit the milestone pages?
[12:43] <kiko> (which is what I do)
[12:43] <BjornT> kiko, mpt: we should dislay on the relevant milestones (i.e., only milestones included in the bug listing)
[12:43] <mpt> You're suggesting I should visit four separate milestone pages?
[12:44] <mpt> BjornT, that would be good.
[12:44] <mpt> And the same for tags, as kiko suggested.
[12:45] <kiko> right
[12:45] <mpt> At least, it would be a good start