[01:17] <sid> Will Gutsy ship with Sun's Java?
[01:18] <coNP> !info sun-java5 gutsy | sid
[01:18] <ubotu> sid: Package sun-java5 does not exist in gutsy
[01:18] <coNP> !info sun-java5-jre gutsy | sid
[01:18] <ubotu> sid: sun-java5-jre: Sun Java(TM) Runtime Environment (JRE) 5.0 (architecture independent files). In component multiverse, is optional. Version 1.5.0-12-2ubuntu1 (gutsy), package size 7288 kB, installed size 16180 kB
[01:18] <coNP> !info sun-java6-jre gutsy | sid
[01:18] <ubotu> sid: sun-java6-jre: Sun Java(TM) Runtime Environment (JRE) 6 (architecture independent files). In component multiverse, is optional. Version 6-02-1ubuntu1 (gutsy), package size 6178 kB, installed size 14164 kB
[01:18] <sid> coNP: So it doesn't come by default?
[01:18] <coNP> I guess not
[01:19] <mikeconcepts> regarding x11vnc install, I needed to install vnc4-common, wondering if this is because I did not go throuth the remote desktop wizard because when I attempted to set a password with vncpasswd I saw vnc4-common was needed
[01:19] <mikeconcepts> through*
[01:20] <forevertheuni> bah can't compile alsa-libs
[01:23] <rexy_> hmm i managed to fix the gutsy install, but how do i get the new plugin manager and the new xconfig thing, doesnt appear to be in the menu
[01:26] <DanaG> Heh, even with XGL, Savage is still missing support for NPOT (non-power-of-two) textures.
[01:26] <DanaG> I wonder if windowed XGL would be useful as a replacement for Xnest.
[01:31] <forevertheuni> ok sound problem solve
[01:31] <forevertheuni> solved
[01:31] <forevertheuni> now the second :D
[01:32] <forevertheuni> when I login it connects to internet ok(wireless connection)
[01:32] <rexy_> boy that new indexing thing is fun, heh, lagging out my computer bad
[01:32] <forevertheuni> but after a while it looses the connection and I do pidof dhclient and nothing seems to be working
[01:32] <forevertheuni> so I have to run it manually to regain the connection
[01:43] <RAOF> DanaG: We were considering using Xgl as our default xserver - it makes sense for fast-user-switch. etc.
[01:46] <snadge> so XGL is technically better than AIGLX?
[01:48] <atomicpotato> eh..
[01:49] <atomicpotato> Xgl has all kinds of technical issues
[01:49] <rexy_> i cant seem to find the firefox plugin manager or the tool to configure screens with or enable tv-out, what are they called?
[01:49] <RAOF> Not really.
[01:50] <atomicpotato> Xgl seems to be considerably slower than normal x.org
[01:50] <RAOF> XGL really totally different to AIGLX.  One is an X server, the other is a feature that drivers may or may not provide.
[01:50] <RAOF> atomicpotato: On fglrx, yes.
[01:50] <RAOF> On most systems it should be faster.  At least, systems with working 3d.
[01:50] <atomicpotato> hmm
[01:51] <atomicpotato> faster for everything? or faster for 3d
[01:51] <atomicpotato> ?
[01:51] <forevertheuni> rexy_, me neither
[01:51] <RAOF> Faster for everything.
[01:51] <RAOF> atomicpotato: Since the whole idea of Xgl is to make the huge 3d engine of modern graphics cards do all the 2d rendering.
[01:52] <Kill_X> hey everybody
[01:52] <atomicpotato> but not everyone has a "modern graphics card with huge 3d engine"
[01:52] <RAOF> True.
[01:52] <atomicpotato> I've got systems with Intel Extreme Graphics and X300s
[01:53] <RAOF> Which both have huge 3d engines
[01:53] <atomicpotato> like probably the large majority of people
[01:53] <atomicpotato> Extreme Graphics 2?
[01:53] <RAOF> Yes
[01:53] <atomicpotato> it's CPU for almost everything
[01:53] <rexy_> well the graphic effects are working on my ati M6
[01:53] <RAOF> Compared to the 2d engine, *any* card which does 3d has a huge 3d engine ;)
[01:53] <rexy_> not to sluggish, but it's not really quick either
[01:53] <forevertheuni> graphics effects are working in my gforce go 7700 :D
[01:53] <atomicpotato> RAOF, is that so? because Xvideo seems a LOT faster than OpenGL video
[01:54] <Kill_X> anyone developing linux-ubuntu-modules-* in here? ;)
[01:54] <RAOF> atomicpotato: I can't really comment there, but my guess is that XVideo has less setup/teardown costs than full-blown OpenGL
[01:55] <happytiger> Hi I have no sound on a fresh install gutsy tribe 5 install... I ran asound-conf , but noticed it doesnt write anything to the asoundrc files?? Any way to get sound working in tribe 5 atm?
[01:55] <RAOF> Kill_X: You wondering how to get your sound back with an hda_intel card?
[01:55] <Kill_X> RAOF: no.
[01:56] <atomicpotato> RAOF, I am
[01:56] <happytiger> RAOF .. me to
[01:56] <atomicpotato> don't have such a card, but it's important to know
[01:56] <Kill_X> RAOF: I am wondering about https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-ubuntu-modules-2.6.22/+bug/129719 (last report is mine)
[01:56] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 129719 in linux-ubuntu-modules-2.6.22 "[Gutsy]  performance of new rt2500pci driver is poor" [Undecided,Confirmed] 
[01:56] <Kill_X> ;)
[01:56] <atomicpotato> Oh yeah, I've got an app that doesn't work anymore since the last X.org update, you have any idea what changed?
[01:57] <RAOF> All those with hda_intel problems may want to check out bug #131368
[01:57] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 131368 in linux-ubuntu-modules-2.6.22 "Dell 1420n audio not supported under Gutsy" [High,Triaged]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/131368
[01:57] <RAOF> Kill_X: I've got no idea about that one, sorry.
[01:58] <Kill_X> RAOF, nm :)
[01:58] <rexy_> is there a way to force ubuntu to install all the new default features?
[01:58] <sparr> thanks fignew
[01:58] <rexy_> seems it missed a few when i upgraded
[01:59] <Kill_X> RAOF: just took me half a day to try to find this damned Bug on that CVS release from rt2x00, wasn't even able to FIND the damned function it occurs in :/
[02:00] <Kill_X> and yes, I know C and C++ ;)
[02:02] <RAOF> Kill_X: Well, it looks like you're doing the right thing.  If you can build a driver that doesn't exhibit that bug, it's much more likely to be fixed.
[02:03] <Kill_X> RAOF: well, that's the reason I install testing-versions for :o
[02:03] <RAOF> Yay!  That's the spirit :)
[02:04] <Kill_X> see? :D
[02:05] <Arwen> can I get anyone to test a package real quick?
[02:06] <DanaG> I'd also like to see the bug of nonworking input on STAC9250 be fixed.
[02:06] <DanaG> Or at least commented on.
[02:06] <DanaG> XGL is bad for one thing: playing OpenGL games.
[02:06] <DanaG> Then again, the current NVIDIA situation is worse -- X server crashes.
[02:07] <Kill_X> DanaG: bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu
[02:07] <Kill_X> did you already report that one?
[02:07] <happytiger> RAOF:  Oki so they fuxored sound by not compiling em in... Damn that is a bummer :-) Thx for the info. Was worried it was my hardware for a sec ... Would never dream Tribe would break such a commond sound chip Oohh well live gutsy .. sleep less lol
[02:07] <DanaG> Lemme dig up a bug-report number.
[02:07] <ShackJack> HI Gutsy users... I'm having a weird issue with Fusion/fglrx/XGL where it just crashes X seemingly randomly (back to GDM screen)... Fusion doesn't report anything useful (except that it lost connection with X - Duh)..  Any other gutsy/fglrx users experiencing this?
[02:08] <Arwen> fglrx crashing? no way!
[02:08] <ShackJack> Arwen: :)
[02:09] <Arwen> but anyway, can I get someone to test package "smplayer"? It no longer functions
[02:09] <ShackJack> Actually, it's been pretty stable until recently... And doesn't crash if I'm not running Fusion...
[02:09] <Kill_X> DanaG: if there's a bugreport, yet, add your problems as detailed as you're able to and wait for a comment...
[02:09] <ShackJack> It does crash pretty consistently if I run glxgears, but when I try to run glxgears and output it to text file it doesn't crash (??!!)
[02:09] <RAOF> happytiger: Also, my debdiff on that bug fixes it.  If you really want sound, you can build a new l-u-m package.
[02:10] <happytiger> YEah only problem I have with fushion these days is that I cant reboot ... It runs fine never goes down... But when trying to shutdown or reboot I cant.. gotta pulle the plug :-)
[02:10] <Kill_X> Arwen: please be more specific
[02:10] <Arwen> eh, never mind. quick google determined that it's a user error
[02:10] <Arwen> `pologies
[02:11] <Kill_X> Arwen: np :)
[02:11] <happytiger> RAOF How to build? I.e a short guide anywhere for this.. Used to compile on gentoo in the old days but since my ubuntu time haas started I never compiled any kernell stuff
[02:12] <DanaG> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.20/+bug/111145
[02:12] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 111145 in linux-source-2.6.20 "sigmatel STAC9250 on ATI HDA SB on gateway laptop - no sound capture " [Low,New] 
[02:12] <RAOF> happytiger: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuPackagingGuide/BuildFromDebdiff?highlight=%28debdiff%29
[02:12] <happytiger> super thx gotta try this .. no sound sucks :-)
[02:13] <DanaG> ubotu bug 121833
[02:13] <RAOF> happytiger: note that in this case you'll probably need to apply the debdiff with -p4
[02:13] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 121833 in linux-source-2.6.22 "LCD backlight turns off between brightness levels during fades, and when on battery or at idle" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/121833
[02:14] <rexy_> hmm on that node the brightness keys stopped working too
[02:15] <Kill_X> DanaG: did you follow that one? ...
[02:15] <Kill_X> 08 Aug 07 15:55  	 Sarah Hobbs  	linux-source-2.6.20: statusexplanation  	Please read http://www.linux-sound.info/alsa/index.php?task=support and tell me the URL of the paste generated by the script linked from that page.
[02:20] <DanaG> Argh, had to restart X.
 DanaG: did you follow that one? ...
 08 Aug 07 15:55    Sarah Hobbs   linux-source-2.6.20: statusexplanation   Please read http://www.linux-sound.info/alsa/index.php?task=support and tell me the URL of the paste generated by the script linked from that page.
[02:21] <DanaG> What do you mean by "follow that one"?
[02:21] <Kill_X> did that?
[02:21] <DanaG> Oh yeah, I linked to an alsa-info.sh pastebin I made.
[02:22] <DanaG> I don't have that machine on hand now (sent for service), so anything more will have to wait until I get it back, some time in the future.
[02:24] <Kill_X> so i guess you'd have to wait until then... :/
[02:26] <DanaG> Oh, and linux-sound.info seems to be down.
[02:26] <DanaG> Either that, or Charter's routing is borked.
[02:27] <DanaG> I see, there are a couple of pastebins linked there.
[02:34] <DanaG> odd: volume keys don't work in xfce.
[02:38] <Kill_X> DanaG: I can confirm that linux-sound.info is down atm., be sure to retry
[02:38] <doug__> is there a repo where i can get 2.6.22.5 kernel for kubuntu?
[02:39] <doug__> using apt-get
[02:39] <Kill_X> doug__: no
[02:39] <RAOF> doug__: You're running Gutsy?
[02:39] <doug__> RAOF: feisty
[02:40] <RAOF> Oh.  This would be the gutsy support/chat channel :)
[02:40] <doug__> what's the feisty support channel?
[02:41] <RAOF> #ubuntu
[02:41] <nosrednaekim> #kubuntu
[02:41] <RAOF> Or, indeed, #kubuntu for Kubuntu :)
[02:44] <DanaG> Oh yeah, that bug report DOES seem to have the necessary info.
[02:53] <Kill_X> gee, that build error on rt2x00 CVS is INDEED annoying
[02:54] <Kill_X> especially when ieee80211.h does not even provide the respective function the error is based on
[02:55] <RAOF> It's possible that the hybrid 2.6.22/.23 kernel is freaking the build out.  That happened with libdrm & nouveau at one point.
[02:56] <Kill_X> well, I just took a look at the header files in /usr/src
[02:56] <ameyer> mmm, horrible name for anything Linux...
[02:56] <ameyer> libdrm
[02:56] <ameyer> that sounds like something Microsoft or Apple would write
[02:57] <rexy_> how can i see what patches went into my current ubuntu kernel?
[02:57] <RAOF> lib-direct-rendering-manager :)
[02:57] <RAOF> rexy_: apt-get install linux-source, then diff it against the vanilla kernel?
[02:58] <Kill_X> RAOF: I think libdrm and such are different
[02:58] <RAOF> rexy_: Note that the diff will be *massive*.
[02:58] <ameyer> RAOF: the acronm has a few... alternate meanings that are consumer unfriendly
[02:58] <rexy_> RAOF, i was hoping it was constructed using several different patches with a description as to why
[02:59] <rexy_> well what i really want to know if the new wifi stack made it into a patch heh
[02:59] <RAOF> rexy_: You could pull from ubuntu-kernel-git, if you wanted.
[02:59] <Kill_X> ieee80211 is an essential kernel addition, introduced with 2.6.22-rc1
[02:59] <RAOF> rexy_: But many of the patches will be "pull in stuff from new 2.6.22.x release" and such.
[02:59] <rexy_> oh thought it was only in 23, i'll go test if the acx driver works with wpa then
[03:00] <Kill_X> well, not introduced, but made usable with that release
[03:00] <ameyer> wifi is a freaking mess...
[03:00] <RAOF> rexy_: Yeah, it's in the Ubuntu kernels.  As evidenced by the kinda-workingness of iwl3945
[03:00] <rexy_> also any of you know how i can get all the stuff installed on the tribe5 release, somehow i didnt get the firefoxplugin manager and X config tool n such
[03:00] <Kill_X> ameyer: true...
[03:01] <Kill_X> unfortuately
[03:01] <Kill_X> +n
[03:01] <ameyer> it's not just Linux, as far as I can tell, it's a mess everywhere
[03:02] <ameyer> Wired internet = you plug it in and you're good to go, wifi = you turn it on sacrifice a few virgins, and hope it works
[03:02] <Kill_X> hrhr
[03:02] <Kill_X> well
[03:02] <RAOF> ameyer: Or you have an intel card, and it Just Works (tm) :P
[03:03] <Kill_X> the legacy driver worked so far
[03:03] <Kill_X> for rt2500
[03:03] <ameyer> well, as far as I can tell, wifi and "Just Works (tm)" aren't particularly compatible on any current platform
[03:04] <DanaG> Even Intel.
[03:04] <ameyer> then again, on some platforms, even ethernet can be an adventure
[03:04] <Kill_X> funny thing, RT2500 is known as the most linux chipset so far, actually
[03:04] <DanaG> In fact, on my ipw3945 card, sometimes the iwl3945 driverworks better.
[03:04] <Kill_X> +compatible
[03:04] <ameyer> like if Windows doesn't ship the driver for your ethernet card...
[03:05] <nosrednaekim> or if you have Marvell LAN
[03:05] <databuddy> ok
[03:05] <databuddy> is there a way without emerald-theme-manager to switch between emerald themes?
[03:05] <databuddy> between one and the next i mean
[03:05] <Kill_X> well, rt2x00 was planned for upstream in feisty, too
[03:05] <RAOF> DanaG: Really, wow.  iwl3945 always dies after a while and then I can't shut down :)
[03:05] <databuddy> i keep installing that package from feisty b/c it seems to have been depreciated in gutsy ~___________~
[03:06] <databuddy> [HELLO FOLKS PUT IT BACK!!!ZOMGZOMGO] 
[03:06] <databuddy> XD
[03:06] <ameyer> like, I would have no sound, graphics, or network with a vanilla XP SP1 install...
[03:06] <databuddy> also with intel or i810 drivers + desktop effects one cannot watch video
[03:06] <Kill_X> I could imagine a fallback to legacy in gutsy
[03:06] <databuddy> Kill_X: yeah - i'm just saying someone should get with the program and toss in repos
 A patch to enable composited Xv output for mplayer is attached to  http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/compiz/2007-July/002494.html . Ubuntu users can find a version of mplayer with the patch applied, in this repository: http://3v1n0.tuxfamily.org/dists/feisty/3v1n0/index.html
[03:07] <ameyer> well, no acceptably working grahphics, it'd kinda work with the equivalent to VESA
[03:07] <databuddy> and one needs that mplayer for it to work in i386/686 and one has to compile to get to work in 64bit
[03:08] <Kill_X> databuddy: I think I was talking about something different ^^
[03:08] <databuddy> must install libfaac0 then the mplayer deb
[03:08] <databuddy> o
[03:08] <databuddy> lol
[03:10] <Kill_X> databuddy: I myself (as hardware seller) consider 64bit OS's still as playground
[03:10] <rexy_> anyone know what the command is to start the plugin/extension manager?
[03:11] <Kill_X> there might be production-capable software, but to the end-user, it's still nothing else than a playground
[03:11] <databuddy> yeah as do i
[03:11] <databuddy> tho its fun to play with a bit
[03:11] <databuddy> tho really its a big hassel to just get to use more memory
[03:11] <RAOF> Eh, works for me.
[03:11] <arooni> hey folks
[03:12] <databuddy> tho i understand one can recompile kernel with bigiron support to use more than 4 gigs
[03:12] <RAOF> databuddy: Or just install the -server kernel, of course.
[03:12] <arooni> im having trouble with the intel x3100 video adapter... i get the login screen but as soon as i do, my screen goes black, when i restart gdm, same thing happens.  what is the name of the intel video package
[03:12] <Kill_X> RAOF: with Flash, Java and WMV? ;)
[03:12] <arooni> i will try to upgrade it?
[03:12] <RAOF> Kill_X: With flash & wmv.  I'm not sure about java browser plugin.
[03:13] <databuddy> Kill_X: what co do you work with?
[03:13] <Kill_X> RAOF: that's what I'm talking about...
[03:14] <RAOF> Kill_X: Maybe not java.  But I don't miss it if I haven't got it :)
[03:14] <Kill_X> RAOF: and flash? Is there a working plugin now?
[03:15] <RAOF> Kill_X: nspluginwrapper gets installed if you try to install flash.  So, kinda.
[03:15] <RAOF> Kill_X: It works though
[03:17] <rexy_> hmm no luck with acx :| says invalid argument
[03:17] <Kill_X> RAOF: well, I've got a Solaris64 just one reboot away, my last linux64 exp was with feisty
[03:17] <RAOF> rexy_: Same as bug #118539
[03:17] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 118539 in linux-ubuntu-modules-2.6.22 "[regression]  acx does not load" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/118539
[03:17] <Kill_X> unusable for end-users
[03:18] <RAOF> Certainly not for everyone, true.
[03:18] <rexy_> i was searching for acx but  it didnt turn up anything
[03:18] <Kill_X> like solaris :)
[03:19] <nosrednaekim> rexy_: I think its acx111
[03:19] <nosrednaekim> if you aretalking wireless drivers
[03:19] <nosrednaekim> if not.. ignore me
[03:20] <rexy_> yes
[03:20] <Kill_X> DAMNIT, #include ieee80211.h - but this damned file does not even list the conflicting function
[03:20] <rexy_> but it's very nondescript about the error
[03:20] <rexy_> just invalid argument, and nothing in dmesg
[03:21] <rexy_> dmesg just says acx, loaded, firmware=yadda
[03:21] <Arwen> huh, I just noticed, but the new GNOME "Open" dialog is really nice
[03:23] <rexy_> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=535683
[03:23] <rexy_> intel driver bug latest xorg, cant find it , i suck, can someone find it and post it in that thread for that dude
[03:24] <Kill_X> *trying*
[03:24] <albertico> hi
[03:24] <albertico> i have a macbook and sound doesnt work here
[03:25] <albertico> i recently installed tribe5 , first I needed to install esd because it wasnt installed
[03:25] <RAOF> albertico: bug #131368
[03:25] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 131368 in linux-ubuntu-modules-2.6.22 "Dell 1420n audio not supported under Gutsy" [High,Triaged]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/131368
[03:25] <albertico> mmm
[03:25] <albertico> is there a fix?
[03:27] <RAOF> albertico: Yes, on that bug.
[03:27] <albertico> I am looking ...
[03:27] <databuddy> oh and i noticed that right click >> send to desktop is working again with c-f on gutsy - <3
[03:27] <RAOF> (The fix is to rebuild linux-ubuntu-modules)
[03:27] <Kill_X> albertico: check out https://launchpad.net/bugs/131368 and you will find the solution
[03:27] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 131368 in linux-ubuntu-modules-2.6.22 "Dell 1420n audio not supported under Gutsy" [High,Triaged] 
[03:28] <albertico> mmm
[03:28] <albertico> so I need to recompile the kernel
[03:28] <RAOF> No.
[03:28] <Kill_X> RAOF: got a minute in PM?
[03:29] <RAOF> If it can't be done in #ubunu+1, yes.
[03:31] <Kill_X> RAOF: well, I'll do a pastebin and you will see
[03:31] <rexy_> hmm the new xorg seems a to produce a bit more artifacts for me too
[03:32] <albertico> I cant find a fix
[03:32] <albertico> :/
[03:33] <cheeseboy> hi im getting this error http://rafb.net/p/jqPX1t17.html anyone know how i should go about fixing it?
[03:33] <RAOF> albertico: There's a debdiff attached to one of the last posts on that bug.  If you rebuild linux-ubuntu-modules after applying that debdiff, sound will work again.
[03:33] <albertico> so I need to recompile kernel modules
[03:33] <albertico> :)
[03:33] <albertico> ok
[03:33] <RAOF> Yes.  But not the kernel.
[03:33] <Kill_X> RAOF: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/35193/
[03:34] <RAOF> Kill_X: Grep is probably your friend.  Is that code meant to work against 2.6.23?
[03:35] <Kill_X> $ uname -r
[03:35] <Kill_X> 2.6.22-10-generic
[03:35] <RAOF> Don't be fooled.  That contains bits or 2.6.23
[03:35] <xtknight> why does gutsy have updates that sometimes can only be gotten by using dist-upgrade?  is there a special purpose or vibe to these?
[03:35] <RAOF> s/or/of/
[03:36] <crdlb> xtknight, dist-upgrade pulls in new packages
[03:36] <RAOF> xtknight: That's just a difference between upgrade & full-upgrade (as aptitude now calls it).  Full-upgrade can install new packages, upgrade can't.
[03:36] <xtknight> ah so these ones that require "partial upgrade" are totally new pkgs?
[03:37] <RAOF> Kill_X: You probably want to grep the source for the function that's called from, and the kernel headers for the actual function definition.
[03:37] <xtknight> well i was getting linux-image-generic in the dist-upgrade path..
[03:37] <crdlb> xtknight, or they depend on new packages
[03:37] <RAOF> Yes, since it's going to install the (new) linux-image-...-10-generic packages.
[03:37] <xtknight> i see
[03:38] <databuddy> hehe
[03:38] <xtknight> but they have become just "upgrades" now?
[03:38] <xtknight> and i havent done anything
[03:38] <databuddy> pidgin a bit unstable with mousegestures XD
[03:38] <Kill_X> RAOF: well, if you know C/C++, you will see that there's a function call to a kernel-included function, which is issuing too many parameters
[03:39] <RAOF> Kill_X: Yes, I know.  You probably want to find the actual definition, and check the source to see if there's a #define somewhere that'll make it call the right prototype.
[03:39] <Kill_X> RAOF: well, thanks, did that already.
[03:40] <RAOF> Kernel modules often do #defines against the kernel revision where the interface changes.  Since Ubuntu's kernel is somewhere between .22 & .23, that can mess up some module builds.
[03:40] <Kill_X> RAOF: I know that one, also.
[03:41] <RAOF> Ok.  Sounds like there's nothing I can really offer you then :/
[03:43] <Kill_X> just wanted you to check, if you could find a 'ieee80211_rts_get' function somewhere
[03:43] <Kill_X> within the kernel headers
[03:44] <RAOF> Ah, certainly.
[03:45] <RAOF> include/net/mac80211.h
[03:45] <Kill_X> ??
[03:45] <RAOF> That's where it's defined for me.
[03:45] <RAOF> linux-headers-2.6.22-10-generic/
[03:45] <Kill_X> I checked that file FIVE times
[03:46] <Kill_X> mkay, perhaps I was stuck on -9
[03:47] <Kill_X> which makes no sense, either
[03:47] <RAOF> Unless it got added by -10
[03:47] <Kill_X> no, it didn't
[03:47] <RAOF> Hm.  Anyway, line 853
[03:47] <Kill_X> should be there since rc1
[03:48] <RAOF> Sorry, 835
[03:48] <RAOF> ...and it is indeed in -9, same spot.
[03:48] <Kill_X> well...
[03:52] <Kill_X> k, I only searched the ieee80211.* files
[03:53] <RAOF> Heh.  Recursively grepping the whole headers folder doesn't take that long :)
[03:54] <Kill_X> no, it doesn't, but following kernel CCs would suggest ieee80211* should be the right place to look at ;)
[03:55] <DARKGuy> Guys, could anybody tell me how do I submit a package for Gutsy release in the official repos?
[03:56] <RAOF> DARKGuy: You head over to #ubuntu-motu, and check out wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU
[03:56] <DARKGuy> Thanks RAOF :)
[03:58] <Kill_X> whee, and according to source and declaration there must not be an error
[03:58] <Kill_X> but there is
[03:58] <Kill_X> <
[03:58] <Kill_X> <3
[03:59] <Kill_X> RAOF: do you speak c/c++ ? :)
[03:59] <RAOF> That's a strange heart you've got there :)
[04:00] <RAOF> Yes.  I don't really have time to look at it now, though, sorry.
[04:00] <Kill_X> you don't have to
[04:00] <Kill_X> just tell me
[04:00] <RAOF> Oh.
[04:00] <RAOF> Ok.
[04:00] <Kill_X> void ieee80211_rts_get(struct ieee80211_hw *hw,
[04:00] <Kill_X> 		       const void *frame, size_t frame_len,
[04:00] <Kill_X> 		       const struct ieee80211_tx_control *frame_txctl,
[04:00] <Kill_X> 		       struct ieee80211_rts *rts);
[04:00] <Kill_X> and
[04:01] <Kill_X> 		ieee80211_rts_get(rt2x00dev->hw, rt2x00dev->interface.id,
[04:01] <Kill_X> 				  frag_skb->data, frag_skb->len, control,
[04:01] <Kill_X> 				  (struct ieee80211_rts *)(skb->data));
[04:01] <Kill_X> how many parameters in the function call (last one)?
[04:02] <RAOF> 6
[04:02] <Kill_X> clarify
[04:02] <RAOF> It's got a surplus interface.id
[04:02] <xtknight> same thoughts here
[04:02] <Kill_X> ah fuck
[04:02] <Kill_X> sry
[04:02] <RAOF> NP
[04:02] <Kill_X> always ocerread the control
[04:02] <Kill_X> -c +v
[04:03] <xtknight> can anyone add anything to Bug 134911?  i would like to get this fixed
[04:03] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 134911 in gnome-control-center "[gutsy]  Screen resolutions other than current are not listed" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/134911
[04:03] <xtknight> i'm not sure if this is happening for everyone, or just those with nvidia proprietary drivers, and why.  why the source code is like it is/how/whether this can be fixed/etc
[04:05] <RAOF> xtknight: Works for me, with proprietary nvidia drivers.
[04:05] <xtknight> RAOF, i wonder why?  the "i == current_size" in the source code seems to be doing exactly what it sounds like, at least on my machine
[04:06] <xtknight> well what i didn't realize was that the second if clause was || not &&.  but now im even more confused as to why my proposed IF statement works and the second does not, properly.
[04:07] <xtknight> i have multiple screens, perhaps that has something to do with it, but i dont think so
[04:08] <RAOF> The full source code you post doesn't even check current_size in the first if.
[04:08] <RAOF> (It's commented out)
[04:09] <xtknight> why should it be checking current_size there?
[04:09] <xtknight> it is checked later within the same clause
[04:10] <RAOF> That's my point.  It isn't.
[04:10] <RAOF> Actually, could you pastebin the code if you want me to look at it.  Launchpad mangles the code if you try to post it inline.
[04:10] <Kill_X> RAOF: thx for twice-counting, now bugfixing CVS REALLY gets interesting ;)
[04:11] <xtknight> RAOF, ok
[04:11] <RAOF> Kill_X: Heh.  NP
[04:11] <xtknight> this is odd though.  i'm trying to find out why my IF works and that one doesn't.
[04:11] <Kill_X> so gn8 everyone
[04:11] <xtknight> i was thinking an order of operations problem maybe.  but then why does it work on your pc..
[04:12] <RAOF> Good question.  Maybe your nvidia drivers are lying in different ways.
[04:13] <xtknight> RAOF, http://rafb.net/p/HCAR2t88.html
[04:13] <xtknight> that's the main.c code of the original file
[04:13] <xtknight> unmodified gnome-control-center display main.c code i should say
[04:13] <RAOF> What function am I looking for?
[04:13] <xtknight> line ~434
[04:15] <xtknight> i guess the point of i == current_size being checked twice is if show_resolution does not come back with whatever is the current res.
[04:15] <RAOF> Yes.  If you've somehow fandangled a different res, you'll want it displayed.
[04:18] <xtknight> well it works now with the vanilla packages :\
[04:20] <xtknight> brb i'm going to reboot and try to reproduce this
[04:26] <xtknight> RAOF, it works now.  not sure what went wrong earlier.  afaik it's always been like it was earlier, especially on feisty.  no idea what happened
[04:29] <arooni> um why does installing the build essential package require the install cD?
[04:29] <arooni> i dont have it anymore
[04:29] <xtknight> remove apt-cdrom from sources.list
[04:30] <arooni> yup
[04:30] <arooni> thats the ticket
[04:30] <arooni> so i have completely destroyed my vista partition
[04:30] <arooni> which is a good thing
[04:30] <arooni> but i want to know how i can use vmware
[04:30] <arooni> to boot to windows
[04:36] <xtknight> d/l vmware server
[04:36] <xtknight> so you can create a windows VM
[04:37] <arooni> ok next q:  E: couldn't find package: libtoolize
[04:37] <arooni> how do i get that
[04:37] <arooni> (while i'm compiling the alsa libraries)
[04:38] <xtknight> sudo apt-get install libtool   ?
[04:38] <arooni> are you folks 100% linux?
[04:38] <arooni> and not dual booting?
[04:39] <xtknight> i dualboot with xp
[04:39] <xtknight> 99% daily use=linux
[04:39] <arooni> what about aclocal xtknight ?
[04:39] <DARKGuy> I dualboot and use XP when I need to try my multiplatform code in it, else, 100% linux
[04:39] <xtknight> arooni,  sudo apt-get install autoconf automake
[04:40] <arooni> what about vmware
[04:40] <xtknight> you have to d/l vmware server from vmware.com
[04:40] <arooni> i know
[04:40] <arooni> but experiences
[04:40] <arooni> versus dual booting
[04:40] <xtknight> oh
[04:40] <arooni> dual booting has been nothing but pain for me
[04:41] <xtknight> i love vmware.  i use it for my job which requires xp/excel.  but my vmware is faster than my native xp even (i'm guessing because it runs/writes to memory)
[04:41] <arooni> 'Unable to determine python libraries.  probably python-config is not avaialble on this system.... please use --with-pythonlibs options
[04:41] <arooni> what do i need to install there
[04:41] <xtknight> sudo apt-get install python-dev
[04:41] <xtknight> what are you compling? alsa?
[04:41] <arooni> xtknight, knows all
[04:41] <DARKGuy> you'll lose good 3D acceleration with a VM, doesn't matter if you use VirtualBox, QEMU or VMWare :/. If all you do are apps, then a VM is good... if you don't mind your entire system lagging a bit, but it depends on your computer's specs.
[04:41] <arooni> xtknight, ya
[04:42] <xtknight> sudo apt-get build-dep alsa
[04:42] <xtknight> i think
[04:42] <xtknight> or
[04:42] <xtknight> sudo apt-get build-dep alsa-source
[04:42] <arooni> DARKGuy, i have a dual core 2.0ghz (intel) + 2 gigs of ram plus intel 965 chipset
[04:42] <xtknight> entire system lag is non existent if youre not doing anything in the backgruond
[04:42] <xtknight> im usually using either linux or xp
[04:43] <xtknight> arooni, pretty much exact machine here except 1.83ghz, and it's a joy to use
[04:43] <RAOF> arooni: You may be interested in kvm, then.
[04:43] <xtknight> kvm has always been slower for me than vmware, but if you're up on being gpl only it's the best choice
[04:43] <arooni> xtknight, you got t61 too?
[04:43] <xtknight> arooni, desktop pc though.  gigabyte ga-965p-ds3.  but 2 gigs of ram, 865, and dual core 1.83ghz
[04:44] <xtknight> 965*
[04:44] <DARKGuy> arooni: more than enough
[04:44] <arooni> xtknight, i have a similar setup on my desktop pc
[04:44] <arooni> soooo powerful muwhahahahha
[04:44] <xtknight> i run xp64 in a VM on a 32bit host usually
[04:44] <xtknight> for now i am 64 on 64
[04:44] <xtknight> it works just as well
[04:44] <arooni> xtknight, i'm runnin 32 bit for linux
[04:45] <xtknight> you can use 32 bit or 64 bit VMs, at least with vmware with a 32bit host.  maybe only with VT extensions, not sure about that
[04:46] <xtknight> the reason i like vmware is because it provides mouse drivers for your VM so it's silky smooth.  with kqemu+kvm you get laggy mouse, at least last time i tried it
[04:46] <arooni> error: this packages requires a curses library
[04:46] <arooni> how do i get curses
[04:46] <xtknight> sudo apt-get install ncurses-dev
[04:47] <xtknight> did you do that build-dep alsa-source?
[04:47] <xtknight> it should have downloaded everything you need for alsa, i think
[04:47] <arooni> xtknight, yeah but it didnly do ncurses-dev
[04:47] <xtknight> try build-dep alsa-tools and build-dep alsa-utils
[04:48] <xtknight> particularly tools, it gives you a lot of more needed pkgs
[04:48] <arooni> ahh cool
[04:48] <arooni> what is the method for installing sun java 6
[04:49] <arooni> damn this is the speed i'm talking about 1061KB/s
[04:50] <xtknight> !info sun-java6-jre
[04:50] <ubotu> sun-java6-jre: Sun Java(TM) Runtime Environment (JRE) 6 (architecture independent files). In component multiverse, is optional. Version 6-02-1ubuntu1 (gutsy), package size 6178 kB, installed size 14164 kB
[04:51] <arooni> is vmware server free?
[04:51] <xtknight> yes but not open souce
[04:52] <xtknight> and vmware workstation is not free at all
[04:52] <n0yd> Just curious, in Gutsy, are the devs replacing gnome-print-manager with PrinterDrake?
[04:52] <arooni> do i want the binary or the source xtknight
[04:52] <xtknight> arooni, source for vmware srver (tar gz)
[04:54] <n0yd> Or can someone tell me if there is already a new printing interface/manager in gutsy?
[04:54] <arooni> whats the name of the pcakge that install windows fonts
[04:54] <arooni> and are there any good packages that install a bunch of common fonts other than that
[04:55] <xtknight> !info msttcorefomts
[04:55] <ubotu> Package msttcorefomts does not exist in gutsy
[04:55] <xtknight> !info msttcorefonts
[04:55] <ubotu> msttcorefonts: Installer for Microsoft TrueType core fonts. In component multiverse, is optional. Version 2.2 (gutsy), package size 32 kB, installed size 188 kB
[04:55] <xtknight> not sure about other fonts
[04:56] <arooni> xtknight, how do u do that update alternatives thing
[04:56] <xtknight> for java?
[04:56] <arooni> xtknight, exactly
[04:56] <xtknight> !update-java-alternatives
[04:57] <xtknight> um
[04:57] <DanaG> !info galternatives
[04:57] <ubotu> galternatives: graphical setup tool for the alternatives system. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.13.4 (gutsy), package size 27 kB, installed size 276 kB
[04:57] <xtknight> arooni,  i think https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java#head-fef9352fb26820bb774df978180c9dd3a60e777b
[04:57] <xtknight> or that
[04:58] <n0yd> No one can answer my extremely easy to answer question? :)
[04:58] <albertico> RAOF, are you there?
[04:59] <arooni> got it xtknight
[05:01] <arooni> hey folks i installed sun's java.... but how do i tell eclipse to look for that java?  i'm getting an erroRE: 'a java runtime enviorment (JRE) or java dev kit(JDK) must be avialble in order to run eclipse
[05:03] <xtknight> !info sun-java6-jdk
[05:03] <ubotu> sun-java6-jdk: Sun Java(TM) Development Kit (JDK) 6. In component multiverse, is optional. Version 6-02-1ubuntu1 (gutsy), package size 9285 kB, installed size 31300 kB
[05:07] <RAOF> albertico: Yes?
[05:07] <albertico> RAOF, I dont now how to apply the patch
[05:07] <albertico> I now how to apply a patch to a kernel source, but not to modules...
[05:08] <albertico> I dont know the specific file name, not sure if I need to know that so...
[05:08] <albertico> alberto@alberto-laptop:/usr/src$ ls
[05:08] <albertico> linux-headers-2.6.22-10          linux-ubuntu-modules-2.6.22-2.6.22            linux-ubuntu-modules-2.6.22_2.6.22-10.23.tar.gz
[05:08] <albertico> linux-headers-2.6.22-10-generic  linux-ubuntu-modules-2.6.22_2.6.22-10.23.dsc  l-u-m.debdiff
[05:09] <RAOF> albertico: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuPackagingGuide/BuildFromDebdiff?highlight=%28debdiff%29
[05:09] <albertico> thanks!
[05:09] <albertico> :)
[05:10] <albertico> #
[05:10] <albertico> Apply the debdiff changes.
[05:10] <albertico>     *
[05:10] <albertico>       cd PACKAGE-* && patch -p1 < ../DEBDIFF
[05:11] <albertico> But this is not working for me, that was what I wrote, and ask me for file names.
[05:12] <xtknight> try -p0,-p2,-p3,-p4,-p5,-p6 etc
[05:13] <xtknight> that's all i can suggest.  night
[05:23] <RAOF> albertico: Oh, yeah, sorry.  I think you'll need -p4 for that debdiff.
[05:23] <albertico> yes I saw
[05:23] <albertico> I did, but, is normal to need all this dependencies?:
[05:24] <albertico> dpkg-checkbuilddeps: Dependencias de construccin no alcanzadas: debhelper (>= 3) kernel-wedge (>= 2.24ubuntu1) linux-headers-2.6.22-10-386 linux-headers-2.6.22-10-rt linux-headers-2.6.22-10-server linux-headers-2.6.22-10-ume linux-headers-2.6.22-10-xen
[05:25] <snadge> isnt pulseaudio default now?
[05:25] <RAOF> Yes, you'll need all those dependencies.
[05:25] <RAOF> snadge: No, thank god.
[05:25] <snadge> thank god? :P
[05:25] <snadge> i know it has issues with flash 9 and wine
[05:26] <snadge> but afaik, they were resolved or able to be worked around
[05:26] <RAOF> And it makes my laptop use 10% more power, and it breaks the volume control on my laptop :)
[05:26] <snadge> thats a bit dodgey
[05:27] <snadge> wonder why it would increase power consumption
[05:27] <RAOF> Well, it keeps the soundcard active, and it locks one of the volume controls to 100% as a reference.  Since my card has only 1 volume control... ;)
[05:28] <snadge> as a workaround, i believe they were working on having the sound daemon release the device after a period of inactivity
[05:29] <RAOF> That would help, yes.
[05:31] <arooni> hey folks i'm having trouble installing alsa from source with the hda-intel card.... everything comiplies and installs (i think).... except for alsa-lib.... i'm getting errors compiling python.c
[05:31] <arooni> ideas?
[05:31] <RAOF> arooni: Why are you building alsa from source?
[05:31] <arooni> RAOF, because tahts what the thinkwiki told me to do
[05:32] <RAOF> Fair enough.
[05:32] <arooni> believe me id rather not
[05:32] <arooni> i hate compiling
[05:32] <arooni> i like intereprted code
[05:32] <arooni> neways... any ideas on how to solve
[05:33] <RAOF> You'd need to pastebin the actual error, and probably the whole build log.
[05:33] <arooni> RAOF, wheres build log
[05:34] <RAOF> The stuff in your terminal
[05:36] <arooni> RAOF, http://pastie.caboo.se/91209
[05:37] <RAOF> arooni: install python-all-dev
[05:37] <RAOF> !compiling
[05:37] <ubotu> Compiling software from source? Read the tips at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompilingSoftware (But remember to search for pre-built !packages first: not all !repositories are enabled by default!)
[05:38] <arooni> RAOF, same error :(
[05:39] <arooni> damn am i hosed?
[05:39] <RAOF> Ah.
[05:40] <RAOF> Edit python.c, and change #include <python/Python.h> to #include <python2.5/Python.h>
[05:41] <arooni> RAOF, any idea where python.c is?
[05:41] <RAOF> Yup: /home/chasetoys/dev/alsacvs/alsa-lib/modules/mixer/simple
[05:45] <arooni> RAOF, better but still acouple errors yet
[05:45] <arooni> RAOF, http://pastie.caboo.se/91209
[05:45] <arooni> woah
[05:45] <arooni> if u do sudo it works
[05:49] <RAOF> arooni: That would be because you've tried to build with sudo at some point before :)
[05:49] <arooni> RAOF, is that bad
[05:49] <RAOF> Not terribly, but it means you get permissions problems like you just got theer.
[05:50] <arooni> RAOF, even though i installed alsa-utils, alsa-driver, and alsa-lib..... i still dont get a sound device
[05:50] <arooni> nay ideas
[05:50] <RAOF> Nope.
[05:50] <RAOF> Sorry
[05:53] <albertico> ubuntu rules!
[05:53] <albertico> linux rules!
[05:53] <albertico> you rules!
[05:53] <albertico> xD
[05:54] <arooni> RAOF, cuz i did sudo make installl... is that a problem?
[05:57] <Parisi> Hello
[06:22] <arooni> hey can i revert my sound drivers to what was initially installed
[06:22] <arooni> for alsa?
[06:26] <DanaG> Argh, I'm having major issues playing WMV.
[06:27] <DanaG> The Position bar wobbles around randomly, the audio desyncs from the video, and sometimes the audio stops entirely.
[06:42] <ToHellWithGA> could one of yall tell me where to look to see if the gutsy ffmpeg package was built with faac/faad support?
[06:42] <RAOF> I don't believe it was.  You can check the package dependencies, or just run "ffmpeg" to find out
[06:45] <ToHellWithGA> RAOF: i can't because i haven't moved to gutsy yet b/c my wireless driver was abandoned at some kernel change
[06:45] <ToHellWithGA> that's why uncle sam needs you to volunteer
[06:46] <DanaG> XFCE's mixer is also buggy -- you can't control a different sound card.
[06:47] <RAOF> ToHellWithGA: You can just use packages.ubuntu.com :)
[06:47] <ToHellWithGA> oh you sneaky devil you
[06:47] <ToHellWithGA> thanks
[06:48] <arooni> man
[06:48] <RAOF> However, the answer is "no"
[06:48] <arooni> i cant install alsa from source
[06:48] <arooni> is there a way of reverting
[06:48] <arooni> to whats on the disk?
[06:53] <shirish> guys is anybody able to resolve https://launchpad.net ?
[07:01] <shirish> Hobbsee: hey ;)
[07:02] <Hobbsee> hi shirish
[07:02] <shirish> Hobbsee: I'm unable to find any documentation regarding update-manager, doing a dpkg -L update-manager reveals there are update-manager entries in help/yelp but it shows nothing in yelp, it just shows about gnome-app-install
[07:03] <shirish> Hobbsee: so at one end, I'm looking if you can confirm that such is the case, if it is, then what should I file the bug about, incomplete documentation or wrong documentation?
[07:03] <Hobbsee> shirish: are you interested in writing said missing documentation?
[07:04] <Hobbsee> shirish: i'd ask mvo - but he's quite busy, so if you offer to write it / help write it, you'll get further
[07:04] <shirish> Hobbsee: I have no idea about what to write therein. For I haven't used 'update-manager' ever, all I ever used is 'sudo aptitude update' & then 'sudo aptitude upgrade'  now 'sudo aptitude full-upgrade'
[07:05] <shirish> Hobbsee: its for a friend who's a newbie & hence started to investigate 'update-manager' tool.
[07:06] <forevertheuni> hi..any big chances in kernel scheduling in gusty?
[07:06] <forevertheuni> I'm having a lot of breaks
[07:06] <forevertheuni> like everything stops for 1 or 2 seconds
[07:07] <forevertheuni> and..what's the command to the new screens conf app?
[07:07] <forevertheuni> I can't see it in system tab
[07:07] <Hobbsee> shirish: right.  i'd assume it'll get done along with everything else, at some point.  but youd' really do better to learn about it, and write some documentation on it
[07:07] <DanaG> Are there any nice but non-cpu-intensive xscreensaver themes?
[07:07] <Hobbsee> DanaG: i like aasaver - asciiquarium
[07:09] <shirish> Hobbsee: thanx for your help ;)
[07:09] <shirish> help/yelp lol
[07:19] <arooni> im having a lot of trouble getting sound to work on my thinkpad t61
[07:20] <arooni> with my t61 (and its intel-hda) i have alsa installed from source......  and it looks like the driver loads & such.. alsamixer is accessible.  but i dont hear any output... ideas?
[07:20] <forevertheuni> hm.
[07:21] <forevertheuni> you have no output or it's low?
[07:21] <forevertheuni> put it to max and connect some headphones
[07:21] <forevertheuni> I had the same prob
[07:21] <forevertheuni> I compiled new modules REMOVED THE OLD ONES and rebootes
[07:21] <forevertheuni> rebooted*
[07:21] <forevertheuni> and it was ok
[07:22] <arooni> forevertheuni, no output even with headphones
[07:22] <arooni> forevertheuni, how did you REMOVE THE OLD ONES
[07:22] <arooni> ;p
[07:22] <forevertheuni> lol
[07:22] <forevertheuni> rm -fv oldonesplace
[07:22] <forevertheuni> ?
[07:22] <forevertheuni> lool
[07:22] <arooni> um
[07:23] <forevertheuni> find /lib/modules/2.6.22-10-generic/ -name snd-hda*
[07:23] <forevertheuni> /lib/modules/2.6.22-10-generic/kernel/sound/pci/hda/snd-hda-intel.ko
[07:23] <arooni> i dont know how to do that
[07:23] <forevertheuni> I only have this ones now
[07:23] <forevertheuni> to that find command
[07:23] <forevertheuni> and remove the others but those
[07:23] <arooni> forevertheuni, i have three listed
[07:24] <forevertheuni> yah
[07:24] <forevertheuni> which are the other 2?
[07:24] <arooni> i have:  /ubuntu/media/snd-hda-intel; /ubuntu/media/snd-hda-intel/snd-hda-intel.ko, and /kernel/sound/pci/hda/snd-hda-intel.ko
[07:24] <forevertheuni> oh..the first is a directory not file
[07:25] <arooni> right
[07:25] <arooni> so which should i rm
[07:25] <forevertheuni> rm -Rfv /lib/modules/2.6.22-10-generic/ubuntu/media/snd-hda-intel
[07:25] <forevertheuni> (sudo)
[07:25] <arooni> ok got that
[07:25] <arooni> whats next
[07:25] <arooni> reboot?
[07:25] <forevertheuni> yeah
[07:25] <forevertheuni> try that
[07:25] <ironmatar>  currently running fiesty 64 bit   but i have a problem  due to my vid card not being supported until gutsy ,gigbyte 8500gt fanless , i have been told to manuel install and somone ws really nice enough to help with that  howeve this morning my hd seems to ahve choked and i scraped and got another one so im haveing to redo everything     and the only command line piece i dont have written down  is teh get nvidia driver manuel 
[07:26] <forevertheuni> lol
[07:26] <forevertheuni> nvidia manual install is easy
[07:26] <forevertheuni> you pick up the driver
[07:26] <RAOF> !nvidia
[07:26] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[07:26] <forevertheuni> you need linux-headers for your version(sources)
[07:27] <arooni> are you folks 100% linux?
[07:27] <forevertheuni> and then run the package from nvidia.com
[07:27] <forevertheuni> I am
[07:27] <ironmatar> sudo apt-get install build-essential linux-headers-`uname -r ?
[07:27] <RAOF> ironmatar: Or, you get directed to the wiki page, here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/NvidiaManual
[07:27] <forevertheuni> I have a schrinked to the max partition with windows that came with the computer never accepted the licence..I'm still w8ting for refund
[07:28] <arooni> forevertheuni, now i get:  'the volume control did not find any elements and/or devices to control.  this means that either you don't have the right Gstreamer plugins installe,d or you don't have a sound card configured
[07:28] <forevertheuni> what?
[07:28] <forevertheuni> :/
[07:28] <forevertheuni> sudo depmod -ae
[07:28] <arooni> thats if i cdouble click the sound icon
[07:28] <forevertheuni> sudo modprobe snd-hda-intel
[07:29] <forevertheuni> open a terminal and type alsamixer to check if you have any controls
[07:29] <DanaG> argh, xscreensaver-demo died and became unkillable.
[07:29] <DanaG> Even with -9
[07:29] <DanaG> even with -SEGV
[07:29] <arooni> forevertheuni, function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such device
[07:29] <forevertheuni> lol
[07:29] <forevertheuni> :/
[07:29] <forevertheuni> wtf...
[07:29] <forevertheuni> sudo modprobe snd-hda-intel model=auto
[07:29] <forevertheuni> u sure it's the hda-intel module?
[07:29] <forevertheuni> :/ weird
[07:30] <forevertheuni> the old hda-intel loaded and new one didn't?
[07:30] <arooni> forevertheuni, FATAL could not open: /lib/modules/2.6.22-generic/ubuntu/media snd-hda-intel/snd-hda-intel.ko; no such file or directory
[07:30] <forevertheuni> is the alsa package u compiled from the latest?
[07:30] <arooni> when i do the modprobe
[07:30] <DanaG> I see: choosing "only one" kills it.
[07:30] <forevertheuni> depmod -ae
[07:30] <forevertheuni> arooni,
[07:30] <ironmatar> RAOF: iv read both those 2 links repetedly and i dont see the sequence for manuel install i was given
[07:30] <forevertheuni> it is going to the later
[07:30] <forevertheuni> previous*
[07:30] <arooni> forevertheuni, next ?
[07:30] <arooni> i did the depmod -ae
[07:31] <forevertheuni> sudo modprobe snd-hda-intel
[07:31] <arooni> ok taht worked
[07:31] <RAOF> ironmatar: Which means you've been directed somewhere worse than that guide :)
[07:31] <arooni> without a failure
[07:31] <forevertheuni> weird :/
[07:31] <arooni> forevertheuni, um so now i can get alsamixer
[07:31] <forevertheuni> try
[07:31] <arooni> with lots of options
[07:31] <forevertheuni> ok :D I fixed my gusty today
[07:32] <forevertheuni> that's why it's why it's fresh :D
[07:32] <arooni> forevertheuni, um do i have to do anything to get it to modprobe snd-intel on bootup
[07:32] <arooni> to make it work?
[07:32] <forevertheuni> ...too much why's
[07:32] <DanaG> Argh, it did it again!
[07:32] <RAOF> ironmatar: It doesn't matter that those aren't the directions you were given before.  They're good directions, and you should be able to follow them.
[07:32] <forevertheuni> arooni, should be ok now
[07:32] <forevertheuni> arooni, reboot and try again
[07:32] <arooni> forevertheuni, what volume bars do you turn up
[07:32] <arooni> for alsamixer
[07:32] <atlas95> hello
[07:32] <forevertheuni> pcm master?
[07:32] <forevertheuni> pcm & master?*
[07:32] <arooni> forevertheuni, were you able to get the scroll think working (middle button)?
[07:33] <forevertheuni> what do you mean?
[07:33] <arooni> forevertheuni, http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/Installing_Ubuntu_7.10_%28Gutsy_Gibbon%29_Tribe_5_on_a_ThinkPad_T61#Trackpad_scrolling'
[07:33] <arooni> kill the trailing '
[07:33] <arooni> doing that didnt work for me :(
[07:33] <forevertheuni> I have no thinkpad
[07:33] <forevertheuni> lol
[07:33] <forevertheuni> asus a8js
[07:33] <arooni> ahhhhhhhhhhh
[07:33] <arooni> cool
[07:35] <shirish> forevertheuni: what is pcm?
[07:35] <forevertheuni> sound ?
[07:35] <forevertheuni> from system?
[07:35] <DanaG> And I have 2 X servers running, for some reason.
[07:35] <arooni> wowwww
[07:35] <shirish> forevertheuni: I know, but the full-form of pcm? Its an abbreviation afaik
[07:35] <forevertheuni> arooni, put that lines in /etc/xorg.conf restart X server and see if it's working
[07:35] <arooni> forevertheuni, sound works!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[07:35] <forevertheuni> !pcm
[07:35] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about pcm - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[07:35] <forevertheuni> lol
[07:35] <forevertheuni> shirish, good question
[07:35] <DanaG> !nothing
[07:35] <arooni> forevertheuni, and its really smart.... when i plug in head phones it doesnt come out of speakers
[07:35] <ubotu> Saying "It says nothing", "It does nothing" is generally not very useful for troubleshooting. Please be as specific as possible: if you see a black screen, say so, if you see a shell prompt, say so, if you see an !error message, say so - Also, most !CLI commands don't print anything when they succeed, but only when they fail.
[07:35] <arooni> now ways!
[07:36] <DanaG> dang, I wanted it to say "I don't know anything about nothing".
[07:36] <forevertheuni> arooni, O.o
[07:36] <Parisi> Hello
[07:36] <DanaG> !anything
[07:36] <ubotu> So, you wanted to lure me into saying I don't know anything about anything? Yeah, that would be funny, of course. Now leave me alone.
[07:36] <arooni> forevertheuni, before with my sony laptop........... it wasnt that smart
[07:36] <DanaG> Aah, that's what I was looking for.
[07:36] <forevertheuni> !something
[07:36] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about something - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[07:36] <ironmatar> raof  sudo /etc/init.d/gdm stop  sudo sh NVIDIA.xxxxxxx.run sudo /etc/init.d/gdm start     also when i run gdm stop it hangs  and i have to hit alt f2 to finish gdm stop to get to login and pasword lines
[07:36] <zeeble> shirish: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=define%3Apcm&btnG=Google+Search
[07:37] <Parisi> !help
[07:37] <ubotu> I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots
[07:37] <forevertheuni> arooni, my girlfriends sony laptop is that smart
[07:37] <forevertheuni> and all the laptops I knew where smart...
[07:37] <forevertheuni> arooni, probably you didn't feed it right
[07:37] <forevertheuni> ironmatar, yeah
[07:37] <BinaryMutant> for some reason I've lost my terminfo file, everytime i load gnome-terminal it gives an error that says-  Failed to load terminal capabilities from '/etc/termcap'. Anyone know how to fix?
[07:38] <forevertheuni> ironmatar, or find a deb pkg :D
[07:38] <forevertheuni> lool
[07:38] <ironmatar> and serenityUK was kind enough to patently figure out it was hanging up
[07:38] <Parisi> !paste
[07:38] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[07:38] <forevertheuni> bah..I should be studying organic chemistry
[07:38] <Parisi> Excellent
[07:39] <Parisi> !wifi
[07:39] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[07:39] <DanaG> I had to chmod -x every xscreensaver 'hack'
[07:39] <forevertheuni> BinaryMutant, O.o do you have that file?
[07:39] <DanaG> And yet xscreensaver-demo still locks up on selecting stuff or scrolling.
[07:39] <shirish> !wifi
[07:39] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[07:39] <forevertheuni> oh btw..my networkmanager is behaving weird in gusty..(wireless part)
[07:39] <Parisi> !flac
[07:39] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[07:40] <BinaryMutant> forevertheuni: I've only got a read me in /etc/terminfo/ and the readme doesn't say much
[07:40] <forevertheuni> yeah..like me
[07:40] <forevertheuni> BinaryMutant, don't know m8
[07:40] <forevertheuni> baahhhhhh....it's always the same thing..I come here ask a question..nobody answers and I stay to help
[07:40] <forevertheuni> :/
[07:41] <Hobbsee> forevertheuni: this suggests that you know the answers to most of the questions, then.
[07:41] <RAOF> ironmatar: I'm not sure what your question is.
[07:41] <Hobbsee> forevertheuni: as for the kernel scheduler, you'd have to ask in #ubuntu-kernel when it's awake - but i dont htink they were planning on it
[07:41] <forevertheuni> well...don't ask me what was before the big bang..I will not be able to answer
[07:42] <forevertheuni> I dunno
[07:42] <forevertheuni> I'll probably try to run feisty kernel
[07:42] <forevertheuni> and check
[07:42] <ironmatar> serenity gave me a command also before that that fetched the nvidia lib
[07:42] <forevertheuni> but it didn't load right...not sure if it was the nvidia stuff
[07:43] <forevertheuni> oh..long ago were the days that I make menuconfig  and made to run only the things I need
[07:43] <forevertheuni> lool
[07:44] <forevertheuni> !linux
[07:44] <ubotu> Linux is the kernel (core) of the Ubuntu operating system. Many operating systems use Linux as kernel. For more information on Linux in general, visit http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux
[07:45] <DanaG> My networkmanager is weirder with wired than with wireless.
[07:45] <ironmatar> i spose i could just straight dload the driver but somehow i think that will bork the whole deal
[07:45] <arooni> how do i install the applet that allows me to configure the compviz fusion effects?
[07:45] <arooni> its the UI portion
[07:45] <arooni> what package is that
[07:45] <Hobbsee> ccsm
[07:45] <forevertheuni> DanaG, I don't try wired anymore
[07:45] <arooni> Hobbsee, cant find that package
[07:45] <forevertheuni> arooni, fusion-icon
[07:45] <forevertheuni> I think
[07:45] <RAOF> compizconfig-package-manager
[07:46] <forevertheuni> ah that
[07:46] <forevertheuni> lool
[07:46] <Hobbsee> yes, run by using ccsm, iirc
[07:46] <RAOF> forevertheuni: fusion-icon is for people who... I don't really know, actually :)
[07:46] <arooni> forevertheuni, cant find the package compizconfig-package-manager
[07:46] <arooni> i mean RAOF
[07:47] <crdlb> RAOF, want to use emerald? :P
[07:47] <forevertheuni> RAOF, :D
[07:47] <forevertheuni> crdlb, :d
[07:47] <forevertheuni> RAOF, well..want to change to metacity any moment
[07:47] <forevertheuni> :d
[07:47] <forevertheuni> petty e17 doesn't have all those effects :(
[07:47] <RAOF> crdlb: Not particularly :)
[07:48] <arooni> anyone know what package i should install?
[07:48] <DanaG> Oh yeah, and my windows keep BLINKING and BLINKING and BLINKING when Urgent is set.
[07:48] <DanaG> How do I get them to blink just ONCE?
[07:48] <RAOF> arooni: compizconfig-settings-manager.
[07:48] <crdlb> RAOF, I was continuing your statement :)
[07:48] <RAOF> Aaah.
[07:49] <arooni> RAOF, ftw!
[07:49] <RAOF> Yeah, we should really fix it so that the wrapper let's compiz start it's decorator.
[07:49] <forevertheuni> http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/ed/LinuxDistroTimeline.png
[07:49] <forevertheuni> that's why slackware as so many fans
[07:53] <arooni> how do i get these: If you install the Gnome Brightness Applet, it'll give you an easy way to change the brightness from within Gnome:
[07:53] <arooni> the gnome brightness applet specifically
[07:54] <forevertheuni> yeah
[07:54] <forevertheuni> arooni, right click in the gnome-panel
[07:54] <forevertheuni> and add the applet
[07:54] <forevertheuni> where do I find the new screens app?
[07:55] <forevertheuni> Hobbsee, lol in my laptop..I could only dim..not the other way around
[07:55] <forevertheuni> each
[07:55] <forevertheuni> still have that prob
[07:56] <Hobbsee> weird.
[07:56] <Hobbsee> do both the dim and brigten keys show up correctly in xev?
[07:56] <arooni> forevertheuni, yup that works great
[07:57] <forevertheuni> Hobbsee, neither
[07:57] <forevertheuni> lol
[07:57] <arooni> i'm using feisty and beryl................. and every so often......... when new windows open.... they're all black.  i have to end up reloading the window manager which only makes it work for a bout 5 minutes......... any idea on what to do to fix?
[07:57] <forevertheuni> Hobbsee, however sound keys do produce events
[07:58] <Hobbsee> forevertheuni: neither key shows up in xev, yet the dim works?
[07:58] <forevertheuni> arooni, start with compiz-fusion
[07:58] <Hobbsee> that's...
[07:58] <forevertheuni> arooni, never had problem with beryl
[07:58] <arooni> ahhh
[07:58] <forevertheuni> Hopsbbsee, ye
[07:58] <Hobbsee> arooni: feisty support isnt here, anyway.
[07:58] <arooni> forevertheuni, but does it work on 7.04
[07:58] <forevertheuni> arooni, liked beryl more
[07:58] <arooni> thats nother comptuer
[07:58] <forevertheuni> arooni, yes
[07:58] <arooni> on my lappy i have gutsy
[07:58] <forevertheuni> arooni, go to #compiz-fusion and type !ubuntu
[07:58] <forevertheuni> or...whatever
[07:58] <forevertheuni> lol
[07:59] <forevertheuni> Hobbsee, probably is not OS related..I dunno
[07:59] <forevertheuni> Hobbsee, what's the screens new feature app name(to start in terminal)
[07:59] <forevertheuni> can't find it :/
[08:00] <DanaG> On my laptop, brightness changing seems to be done a the kernel level.
[08:00] <Hobbsee> forevertheuni: beryl isnt even in gutsy.
[08:00] <forevertheuni> could find it in a gusty livecd
[08:00] <Hobbsee> forevertheuni: i dont know gnome, i dont run it.
[08:00] <forevertheuni> Hobbsee, I know...did I said that?
[08:00] <Hobbsee> forevertheuni: oh, the not OS related as about the key events, right.
[08:00] <forevertheuni> DanaG, I can use all the brightness apps to change the luminosity
[08:01] <forevertheuni> DanaG, it's not something I care much
[08:01] <DanaG> I can use the brightness applet, but going between levels turns the LCD backlight entirely off.
[08:01] <forevertheuni> oh. :/ dunno
[08:01] <forevertheuni> but these breaks are killing me :7
[08:02] <forevertheuni> probably is network related ...hmm or wine
[08:02] <forevertheuni> I'm playing a game with cedega
[08:02] <forevertheuni> :/
[08:02] <forevertheuni> MMORPG so..dunno
[08:02] <DanaG> https://launchpad.net/bugs/121833
[08:02] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 121833 in linux-source-2.6.22 "LCD backlight turns off between brightness levels during fades, and when on battery or at idle" [Undecided,New] 
[08:03] <zeeble> anyone have a link to installing acrobat reader on gutsy?
[08:03] <DanaG> It's really annoying seeing my screen BLINK OFF twice during a fade.
[08:03] <zeeble> or a source
[08:03] <DanaG> It kinda' defeats the purpose of a FADE, don'tcha think?
[08:03] <DanaG> It's like a punch in the face.
[08:04] <DanaG> *POW* *POW*
[08:05] <DanaG> Oh, and I don't get the Gnome OSD during brightness changes.
[08:05] <DanaG> I mean, automatic ones show the GUI, but hotkeys don't.
[08:05] <DanaG> Luckily, my BIOS has its own built-in OSD.  Nifty.
[08:07] <DanaG> Too bad there's no GTK Amarok.  If not for that one app, I wouldn't need any of KDE.
[08:07] <DanaG> I don't use KDE due to personal preference.
[08:08] <DanaG> However, my only major _gripe_ with KDE is that I can't get stuff to fit in with Gnome or XFCE.
[08:09] <zeeble> as in?
[08:09] <se7en^Of^9> can i manuel start the resticted driver applet that starts on my desktop automatic but not on my laptop
[08:09] <zeeble> which driver is this?
[08:09] <zeeble> or rather, which applet
[08:10] <forevertheuni> lol
[08:10] <se7en^Of^9> restricted driver applet keeps poping up as soon as i get a new kernel and the applet will find the new .. nvidia driver and install it ..
[08:10] <forevertheuni> O.o
[08:12] <se7en^Of^9> the autoupdate doesn't work on my laptop as well but i can get around with sudo apt-get ...
[08:13] <zeeble> weird
[08:16] <se7en^Of^9> so nobody knows how to start the applet manualy
[08:16] <DanaG> restricted-manager --check
[08:16] <DanaG> I think.
[08:19] <DanaG> Argh, I wish windows wouldn't BLINK so much.
[08:21] <Hobbsee> DanaG: this is the nature of bling, i'm afria.d
[08:23] <Amaranth> blink?
[08:23] <forevertheuni> bbye
[08:43] <arooni__>  have a 100GB drive on my lappy... right now: / = 10GB, /home = 23GB, 67 GB is free.......  what should i do with the 67 GB?  make /home bigger?  make a backup partition for documents?  ideas?
[08:44] <zeeble> make /data1 and /data2
[08:44] <arooni__> zeeble, why not make /home bigger?
[08:44] <zeeble> a smaller home is fine, as long as you have access to the data partition
[08:44] <zeeble> you could. just personal preference
[08:45] <zeeble> i usually like a small home.. like maybe 4GB, and the rest i call /dataXX for storage
[08:45] <arooni__> ahh i see
[08:45] <arooni__> zeeble, how do i resize partitions.... /home looks like its currently mounted
[08:45] <arooni__> and i cant resize mounted partitions i think right
[08:46] <RAOF> arooni__: Not totally true, but good enough.
[08:46] <arooni__> RAOF, how do i proceed to resize my /home partition
[08:46] <zeeble> http://www.hermann-uwe.de/blog/resizing-ext3-partitions-with-parted
[08:46] <RAOF> ^^^ link seems like it's got a good name :)
[08:47] <RAOF> arooni__: With a livecd, generally.  Unless you've used LVM, which you almost certainly haven't.
[08:47] <arooni__> RAOF, so which live cd should i use?
[08:47] <zeeble> yes. the link recommends knoppix. which is the same as using the boot CD
[08:47] <arooni__> but can i get away with ubuntu's live cd?
[08:47] <RAOF> arooni__: Yes.
[08:47] <zeeble> sure.
[08:48] <arooni__> RAOF, which live cd do i want to use?
[08:48] <RAOF> arooni__: Which ever one you have lying around?
[08:48] <arooni__> knoppix looks german :(
[08:48] <RAOF> It isn't.
[08:48] <arooni__> RAOF, none laying around; i used alternate install
[08:48] <RAOF> Well, not entirely :)
[08:48] <RAOF> arooni__: You can do it with the alternate installer, too, IIRC.
[08:49] <JDahl> did anyone else experience problems with bluetooth devices after the latest updates?
[08:49] <arooni__> RAOF, o rly!
[08:51] <DanaG> WTF?  My USB device keeps randomly disconnecting.
[08:52] <arooni__> RAOF, do you know where i can change it in the altnerate cd
[08:53] <arooni__> i'm not seeing an option
[08:53] <zeeble> when you boot with the alternate CD, does it have an option to boot in rescue mode?
[08:54] <arooni__> zeeble, i see: 'rescue a broken system'
[08:54] <zeeble> yeah, go ahead into that
[08:55] <zeeble> let's assume your system is broken :)
[08:55] <arooni__> zeeble, i hope we're not making bad assumptions here
[08:55] <arooni__> ;p
[08:55] <arooni__> man
[08:56] <arooni__> i'm 100% linux right now
[08:56] <arooni__> for the first time ever
[08:56] <zeeble> it could still break *disclaimer*
[08:56] <RAOF> arooni__: You go up to the "partitioning" phase, and then use the partitioner there to move stuff around.
[08:56] <arooni__> RAOF, ok dokes... but i dont want to install ubuntu all over again
[08:56] <RAOF> arooni__: I *haven't* done it that way, and it might not work.  You may be better off with a live cd.
[08:56] <arooni__> i'm happy with it this time :p
[08:57] <zeeble> just create 2 data partitions
[08:57] <zeeble> and be done with it
[08:57] <arooni__> zeeble, no partitioner :(
[08:58] <arooni__> maybe i'll wait for the live cd i started downloading to finish
[08:58] <zeeble> what no partitioner?
[08:58] <zeeble> doesnt the rescue mode allow you to use parted?
[08:58] <arooni__> zeeble, it asked me for root file system
[08:58] <arooni__> then it gives me rescue ops
[08:58] <arooni__> like execute a shell in /dev/sda1
[08:58] <arooni__> execute a shell... reinstall grub boot loader; choose different root file system
[08:58] <zeeble> yes. it puts you into a chroot
[08:58] <zeeble> hmm, ok
[09:03] <zeeble> anyone got sources for installing Acrobat Reader in gutsy?
[09:05] <JDahl> zeeble, I am pretty sure acroread doesn't work in Gutsy atm...  I gave up trying to fix it at and use evince for the time being
[09:05] <coNP> zeeble: I guess it does not run with the latest GTK
[09:06] <RAOF> The license changed; it's no longer redistributable by us
[09:07] <JDahl> after the latest updates I cannot use my bluetooth mouse. "hcitool scan" doesnt seem to work correctly - anyone else experienced this?
[09:07] <coNP> Yes. But you could download and install it though for your personal use.
[09:07] <RAOF> coNP: Oh, and *that* doesn't work?
[09:07] <zeeble> JDahl: coNP ahm ok
[09:08] <zeeble> RAOF: ah, ok
[09:08] <coNP> Okay. I was just saying that I have still the latest binaries from Adobe.
[09:08] <coNP> Which seem to not  work with our GTK in gutsy
[09:08] <zeeble> crap
[09:08] <RAOF> Aha!  Fair enough.
[09:08] <coNP> What is a totally independent reason not to use (use evince instead) from legal / copyright issues
[09:09] <coNP> zeeble: that is a nice illustration why proprietary software is bad.
[09:09] <JDahl> my only beef with evince is that fullscreen mode has scrollbars and buttons etc., which is annoying for presentations
[09:09] <coNP> Not evil (in this case :) -- as opposed by the copyright issue), but bad, since you cannot fix & compile it for yourself (and all Ubunteros as well :)).
[09:10] <Trewas> does evince (or some other free pdf reader) support forms nowadays?
[09:14] <zeeble> what's evince, btw?
[09:15] <zeeble> ah
[09:17] <se7en^Of^9> my desktop has under system settings>>advanced>>resticted drivers ... my notebook doesn't ... what package would i have to install ???
[09:18] <DanaG> Wow, Exaile's "files" view sucks.
[09:20] <se7en^Of^9> need help with KubuntuRestrictedManager what package do i have to install
[09:48] <tehk> Anyone having an issue where X does not shutdown when you try to shut the pc off?
[10:24] <saispo> hi
[10:25] <saispo> pidgin under gutsy have lost the icon in the notification bar ?
[10:25] <saispo> :)
[10:25] <saispo> all plugins are installed
[10:26] <coNP> saispo: seems that I have the icon in the notification bar
[10:26] <saispo> hmmm
[10:26] <saispo> dpkg -l | grep pidgin plz
[10:27] <saispo> have you a special plugins activated ?
[10:31] <JohnFlux> hey all
[10:31] <JohnFlux> the current version of youtube-dl  doesn't work, but there's a new version out which does work
[10:31] <JohnFlux> any chance that someone could update the package? :)
[10:34] <praecox> hey guys
[10:34] <praecox> what can I do to play streamed AAC+ in Amarok or XMMS in Kubuntu Gutsy?
[10:36] <saispo> praecox: install bad and ugly plugins ?
[10:36] <saispo> coNP: no idea ?
[10:37] <saispo> ok, same as me
[10:37] <saispo> will try on a fresh
[10:37] <praecox> saispo, which are bad and ugly? could you guide me?
[10:38] <saispo> praecox: gstreamer0.10-plugins-bad, gstreamer0.10-plugins-bad-multiverse, gstreamer0.10-plugins-ugly, gstreamer0.10-plugins-ugly-multiverse
[10:39] <saispo> xmms-mp4 - a mp4/aac audio player for xmms
[10:39] <saispo> for example
[10:39] <praecox> saispo, well, I did already try that.
[10:39] <praecox> saispo, but doesn't work, neither.
[10:39] <praecox> saispo, it says it's loading media and that's all what it does.
[10:39] <praecox> saispo, it works for me in VLC, but I just don't like this player much.
[10:43] <DanaG> Argh, there are no nice Gnome equivalents of Amarok.
[10:43] <DanaG> Sure, there are things with media libraries; however, I want folder views!
[10:44] <praecox> saispo, just installed plugins you listed but still got ,,There is no available decoder.'' error in Amarok.
[10:45] <RAOF> praecox: You probably want libxine1-ffmpeg.  Amarok doesn't use Gstreamer
[10:45] <DanaG> Rythmbox doesn't do it.  Banshee doesn't do it.  Exaile doesn't do it.  "Listen" doesn't do it.  Songbird doesn't do it.
[10:46] <saispo> DanaG: exaile, quodlibet ?
[10:46] <DanaG> I use Amarok, but I wish there were a Gnome equivalent.
[10:46] <DanaG> quodlibet?  Haven't heard of it.
[10:46] <saispo> try :)
[10:46] <arooni> how do i get: libboost-date-time1.33.1
[10:46] <praecox> RAOF, oh, right. works now.
[10:47] <arooni> how do i get boost libraies in general
[10:48] <DanaG> Ooh, I'll give that a try.
[10:49] <DanaG> Oh, and Songbird wouldn't even play things.  It merely said "Error."
[10:49] <DanaG> With no details.
[10:49] <arooni> folks
[10:50] <DanaG> !find libboost-date-time1.33.1
[10:50] <arooni> libbost-dev
[10:50] <ubotu> Package/file libboost-date-time1.33.1 does not exist in gutsy
[10:50] <arooni> thats what we want to type
[10:50] <arooni> ;p
[10:50] <DanaG> !find libboost-date-time*
[10:50] <ubotu> Found: libboost-date-time-dev, libboost-date-time1.34.0
[10:50] <DanaG> Aah, there's an answer.
[10:51] <arooni> how are you folks doing this
[10:51] <arooni> is it just in the channel
[10:51] <arooni> can i do that on the cl?
[10:51] <DanaG> It's a bot.
[10:51] <DanaG> But there's also dpkg -s
[10:51] <DanaG> er, S
[10:52] <arooni> this is bullshit.......... deluge-torrent wants libboost-date-time.1.3.3.........
[10:52] <arooni> the .deb package
[10:54] <DanaG> quodlibet wouldn't play, either.
[10:58] <DanaG> Mon Aug 27 01:58:09 2007: GStreamer encountered a general resource error.
[11:01] <DanaG> I see...... PulseAudio had died.
[11:02] <saispo> DanaG: songbird is not in gutsy ?
[11:03] <DanaG> I found something to install it.
[11:04] <DanaG> http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/songbird
[11:04] <DanaG> I edited the script to use /usr instead of /usr/local.
[11:05] <DanaG> Yay, looks like quodlibet works for me!
[11:06] <DanaG> Now I don't have any non-Gnome-fitting apps.
[11:15] <saispo> DanaG: \o/
[11:17] <DanaG> I also like how scroll wheel is contextual.
[11:17] <DanaG> It time-skips when over timer, and changes volume when over that icon.
[11:21] <DanaG> Oh, here's a hint for anyone living in the USA: use mirrors.kernel.org as a source, listed above the official ubuntu mirror in sources.list.
[11:21] <DanaG> That way, it'll be used if up-to-date, and the official mirror will be used otherwise.
[11:22] <DanaG> Kernel.org sits on insanely large pipes, and can saturate almost any connection.
[11:23] <DanaG> When on Charter's 3 megabits, that's what I get; when on campus at cal poly, I get whatever is the limit of my connection medium.
[11:23] <pvandewyngaerde> anyone else experiencing extreme slow gnome-games tetris on kubuntu gutsy ?
[11:23] <DanaG> You should try doing a net-install with Gigabit Ethernet.  It's mind-boggling.
[11:24] <zeeble> how do you do a netinstall for ubuntu?
[11:24] <zeeble> i'd rather do that than everything else
[11:24] <zeeble> hate downloading a whole CD
[11:24] <DanaG> I think there's a netinstall CD.
[11:24] <DanaG> Then instead of selecting a country, use "custom" and mirrors.kernel.org
[11:24] <zeeble> netinstall for ubuntu?
[11:24] <zeeble> oh great. let me check.
[11:24] <zeeble> there's a debian netinstall that i abs love.
[11:25] <DanaG> If not, you can manually rebuild "instlux" to use Gutsy initramfs.
[11:26] <DanaG> One of these days, I should post a tutorial about that....
[11:26] <zeeble> just make a netinstall cd image build script!!
[11:26] <zeeble> to create a netinstall image after each release
[11:26] <zeeble> i'd sort of worship you
[11:26] <DanaG> http://instlux.sourceforge.net/
[11:27] <DanaG> You can rebuild that to use Gutsy, but you need its source, the ubuntu-installer initramfs images, notepad, and a couple of things for Windows: NSIS (have to add to PATH) and Python.
[11:27] <zeeble> hm
[11:28] <DanaG> Where would be a good place to post a tutorial?
[11:28] <DanaG> Oh yeah, one bug with instlux: it deals with hidden utility partitions rather poorly.  You may have to hit 'e' at the Grub screen.
[11:28] <slytherin> DanaG: wiki.ubuntu.com or help.ubuntu.com/community
[11:29] <DanaG> I think some time tomorrow I may do that.  I'll just have to think of an appropriate title.
[11:29] <DanaG> Either that, or I'll write it up as a text file and give it to a dev to post in a nice format.
[11:30] <zeeble> c'mon.. you know you can format it properly too :p
[11:30] <zeeble> gotta go grab lunch
[11:30] <DanaG> Hmm, way different timezone.
[11:30] <DanaG> I'm in Pacific Time, USA.
[11:31] <DanaG> It's 2:30 AM here.  Time for bed.
[11:31] <slytherin> DanaG: I would recommend wiki.ubuntu.com and tafter cleanup move it to help.ubuntu.com
[11:31] <DanaG> s/Time/Way past time/
[11:31] <jussi01> @now helsinki
[11:31] <ubotu> Current time in Europe/Helsinki: August 27 2007, 12:31:15 - Next meeting: Screencast Team in 5 hours 28 minutes
[11:34] <DanaG> @now nowhere
[11:34] <saispo> anyone know where pidgin store his config ?
[11:34] <DanaG> Dang, I wish it'd make a joke.
[11:34] <DanaG> Oh, it's in ".purple".
[11:35] <DanaG> It doesn't make sense, but that's those developers for you.
[11:35] <ameyer> the replacement for libgaim(?) is libpurple
[11:37] <slytherin> saispo: ~/.purple
[11:37] <DanaG> Good night, all.
[11:38] <saispo> thanks all
[11:44] <poningru> zeeble: you know there is a guide for doing netinstall right?
[11:45] <poningru> zeeble: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/Netboot
[11:56] <zeeble> poningru: thanks. had no idea about that.
[11:56] <rexy_> hmm what part configures the fn keys for backlight stuff? they dont work, (nor does xblacklight)
[11:56] <zeeble> poningru: netboot is not the same as netinstall
[11:57] <zeeble> this assumes i already have a machine with linux running
[11:58] <poningru> zeeble: you can do that as well
[11:58] <poningru> just go to /Installation
[11:58] <poningru> there is a link to that
[11:58] <zeeble> poningru: hmm, let me read it thoroughly
[11:58] <zeeble> :)
[12:03] <slytherin> zeeble: Check https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/FromWindows
[12:03] <zeeble> slytherin: that would assume i have windows too :)
[12:04] <slytherin> rexy_: Is it a thinpad?
[12:04] <slytherin> zeeble: And how were you planning ot install from net if you have neither?
[12:05] <zeeble> slytherin: dude, you boot from a mini install image. which is say 50mb, which does the base install, partitions, creates the filesystem, and recognises the NIC.. then you setup apt, and download whatever packages you want.
[12:05] <zeeble> or, you use tasksel
[12:05] <rexy_> slytherin, no, dell C610, ati M6 mobility, open source driver
[12:06] <slytherin> zeeble: Why not use Alternate CD instead if you don't like graphical install.
[12:06] <slytherin> rexy_: Sorry, no idea.
[12:06] <slytherin> zeeble: Or is that you want a fully customized installation?
[12:06] <zeeble> slytherin: it is not that... it is just that i have to download the 700mb to install the whole system.. and then upgrade. which is again something like 700+200 = close to 1GB download
[12:07] <zeeble> slytherin: i'd rather download a small installer image, and then the rest of the 700mb
[12:07] <rexy_> hmm well seems i need to tweak some more, feisty gave me 4-5hours of battery life, gutsy barely makes it to 2.5 :/
[12:07] <rexy_> guess the screen at 100% doesnt really help
[12:07] <slytherin> zeeble: hmm.
[12:08] <zeeble> screen brightness, and then you could see if you can step down the CPU speed if you are not using it fully
[12:08] <zeeble> that'll extend your battery life
[12:11] <rexy_> frequency scaling works fine, just not adjusting the screen when on lcd
[12:11] <zeeble> ah, good luck
[12:11] <rexy_> also laptop-mode has no installation canditate anymore, but i wasnt using that anyway
[12:12] <zeeble> maybe the compiz effects taking up some proc power too
[12:12] <rexy_> probably
[12:13] <rexy_> power history indicates 8.4-9.4Watt, but not sure what those figures mean
[12:13] <rexy_> or if they even are remotely accurate
[12:14] <zeeble> :)
[12:18] <rexy_> hmm the fn key events are not even registring
[12:19] <rexy_> compiz makes it a bit more sluggish too, it's a pretty old card, surprised it even worked in gutsy with 3d(it was broken for feisty, for me anyway)
[12:22] <rvalles> rexy_: which one is it?
[12:22] <rexy_> it's an ati M6 mobility LY
[12:23] <rexy_> seems to work ok vanilla style in gutsy, as long as you dont touch the new xconf tool, that breaks it by enabling xinerama and such
[12:23] <rexy_> just no backlight ,be it via keys and xbacklight
[12:24] <rexy_> i use xbacklight to flip the backlight, it sometimes turns off a few seconds into boot, due to a broken inverter, stopping and starting the backlight flips it back on
[12:27] <rexy_> the desktop search thingy could probably also do with a lower setting, first time i started gutsy is was cracking away for 5 minutes before i could do anything, and i barely have files on the laptop home dir :/
[01:07] <contrast83> Greets, everyone...
[01:08] <contrast83> Is it safe to uninstall kubuntu-desktop, or should I wait until Gutsy's final release?
[01:08] <rexy_> uninstall kubuntu-desktop does very little
[01:09] <contrast83> I know. I guess I worded that poorly...
[01:10] <contrast83> I'm wanting to remove some of its dependencies. I'm just concerned that removing it prior to the official release might keep certain upgrades from going smoothly.
[01:11] <rexy_> well you can always do an install kubuntu-desktop later and see what it tries to install
[01:11] <rexy_> and then just pick manually what you want
[01:12] <contrast83> Smart. Wish I'd thought of that. :-)
[01:12] <contrast83> Thanks.
[01:12] <rexy_> yw
[01:13] <contrast83> BTW, do you know when the commercial repositories will be online?
[01:18] <bluefoxicy> cannot install traceroute :|
[01:27] <rexy_> i have no idea, tried simply changing feisty to gutsy in the sources.list for the same repors?
[01:27] <gnomefreak> contrast83: if they are going to be it will be after release most likely
[01:28] <rexy_> hmm googlearth stuff shows up now when i try to install it
[01:28] <gnomefreak> contrast83: deborphan will help with removal of meta packages
[01:30] <gnomefreak> or if you used aptitude to install it you can use aptitude to remove it and its depedns
[01:30] <gnomefreak> depends
[01:30] <contrast83> gnomefreak: thanks
[01:31] <gnomefreak> yw
[01:31] <contrast83> rexy_: you mean gutsy to feisty, right?
[01:31] <gnomefreak> cant do that
[01:32] <contrast83> that's what i thought, just making sure
[01:33] <rexy_> no change the tag from feisty to gutsy and hope they repackaged?
[01:34] <rexy_> hmm 1% laptop battery togo
[01:36] <rexy_> thought it was supoposed to suspend at that point
[01:36] <contrast83> Are you on Kubuntu, rexy_?
[01:37] <rexy_> ubuntu
[01:37] <rexy_> gnome is hard enough on my old lappy
[01:37] <contrast83> bah :-P
[01:37] <rexy_> why?
[01:38] <rexy_> works pretty much the same way
[01:38] <contrast83> KDE's always run just as quick as Gnome for me, even on old hardware
[01:38] <contrast83> i was just gonna recommend kpowersave. the default power management applet on Kubuntu sucks
[01:40] <rexy_> gnome-power-manager seems to work fine for me
[01:40] <rexy_> well on feisty anyway, evidently it needs some work on gutsy stil
[01:41] <zeeble> cant decide whether i want to install kde and check it out out gutsy
[01:42] <rebugger> hi, ive got a new laptop (santa rosa), livecd doesnt start (i have read the bugreports), and started with the alternative-cd (it worked 1 time), but now it wont - i removed the "quiet"-option, set vga, and saw some lines, but now the screen is black - cant install
[01:42] <rebugger> (gutsy tribe5)
[01:48] <crackerbox> i need to use grep to set $foxfolder to gw7z7a40.default from Path=gw7z7a40.default in the firefox.ini file
[01:49] <crackerbox> can someone lend a hand?
[01:51] <rexy_> trying to copy over your firefox profile?
[01:55] <Pici> crackerbox: You know that you can just import your bookmarks using the bookmark manager.. right?
[01:56] <jgm> Hi any idea which package provides /usr/bin/esd?  I can't seem to find it anywhere...
[01:56] <rexy_> dpkg -S /usr/bin/esd ?
[01:56] <rexy_> maybe another flag, do dpkg --help and see what it says
[01:56] <rexy_> you can use it to find out what file belongs to a package
[01:57] <jgm> rexy_: does that work if the package isn't installed?
[01:57] <rexy_> not sure, i'd think not
[01:58] <crackerbox> pici im trying to set a variable to what my firefox folder is
[01:58] <crackerbox> so i can install multiple extensions via copying them to the extension folder
[01:58] <Pici> crackerbox: ah.
[01:59] <Pici> crackerbox: You might have better luck asking for sed/awk/grep help in #bash.
[02:13] <rbrunhuber8995> I can't start the live cd (tribe 5) because it complains that it can't find a filesystem with a live environment, but i can mount the cd myself in busybox
[03:08] <lumoha> hi folks. i am a tribe5 user. Since upgrading my system from feisty to gutsy, i got issues with vmserver. Does anyone here run vmware on gutsy 2.6.22-10?
[03:14] <lumoha> obviously the gutsy apt-sources doesnt have the package  vmware-server-kernel-modules
[03:15] <lumoha> the any-any-patched vmware-source aborts the build process
[03:15] <gnomefreak> vmware-player-kernel-modules
[03:15] <nosrednaekim> lumoha: did you add the commercial repo?
[03:15] <gnomefreak> lumoha: server is nonfree iirc so we dont package it
[03:15] <lumoha> gnomefreak: player != server
[03:16] <rexy_> hmm , how can i figure out if the acx driver in gutsy is the acx-mac version?
[03:16] <Arwen> lumoha, the vmware server package is in the commercial repository
[03:16] <Arwen> which has not been updated for gutsy yet
[03:17] <Arwen> GNOME 2.19 is a development version, right?
[03:17] <gnomefreak> yes
[03:17] <lumoha> Arwen: thx.
[03:17] <gnomefreak> 2.20 will be stable
[03:17] <rexy_> runs stable enough here though
[03:18] <Arwen> anticipated release date of .20?
[03:18] <gnomefreak> gnome releases even numbers
[03:18] <gnomefreak> ok back to work :(
[03:18] <lumoha> nosrednaekim: is there already a commercial repo for gutsy?
[03:18] <nosrednaekim> I guess not....
[03:19] <lumoha> Arwen told so :)
[03:19] <nosrednaekim> right
[03:19] <Ketsuban> Do the WINE packages on winehq for 64-bit feisty also work on gutsy, or are there instructions elsewhere I need to follow? I'm kinda stuck, since the 64-bit forum rarely talks about stuff working with gutsy, and the gutsy forum rarely talks about 64-bit.
[03:20] <Arwen> they have 64-bit packages for feisty?
[03:21] <rexy_> Heu most of the packages are availeable in 64bit
[03:21] <Arwen> Ketsuban, you can try. They should work.
[03:21] <rexy_> just w32codecs and flash and such are 32 bit only
[03:21] <Arwen> rexy_, try reading what he said. We're talking about WINE.
[03:21] <Arwen> *the official packages from winehq*
[03:21] <rexy_> why wouldnt there be a 64bit version?
[03:22] <Arwen> because there hasn't been in forever. It looks like they finally put up one for Feisty.
[03:22] <Arwen> Try actually *going and checking these things before commenting*
[03:23] <rexy_> i ran 64bit with wine, worked fine, why do i need to lookup if it's going to work if it already worked for me?
[03:24] <Arwen> !worksforme
[03:24] <ubotu> Common Sense: Just because you can, does not mean you should (and especially recommend to others). Think before you do. "Works for me" does not mean it is ok. The latest version of everything is not always useful if you aim for stability. Please see http://geekosophical.net/random/worksforme/
[03:24] <rexy_> yeah because apt-get install wine is definitly a high breakage factor
[03:24] <Arwen> Because when discussing the existence of 64-bit packages, it's nice to actually *make sure you know wtf you're talking about*
[03:25] <Arwen> Do the WINE packages on winehq for 64-bit feisty also work on gutsy, or are there instructions elsewhere I need to follow? <-- what part of "on winehq" don't you understand?
[03:25] <gnomefreak> !wtf | Arwen
[03:25] <ubotu> Arwen: Please watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.
[03:25] <Arwen> ...
[03:26] <Arwen> fine fine
[03:30] <Arwen> wow, wine has a lot of build dependencies
[03:30] <lumoha> is the upgrade of the commercial gutsy reps already sheduled?
[03:31] <lumoha> ie with tribe6
[03:32] <Hobbsee> lumoha: at some point, yes.
[03:35] <lumoha> last question: the deb source will be
[03:35] <lumoha> # deb http://archive.canonical.com/ubuntu gutsy-commercial main
[03:35] <Hobbsee> quite likely, yes
[03:35] <lumoha> thx
[03:51] <GuyFromHell> I'm having issues with wpa_supplicant, getting a range of errors depending n the driver but all of them are "operation not supported" errors. any ideas?
[03:51] <shirish> anybody, reported a bug in launchpad as well as in GNOME, now wanna track the GNOME bug-tracker, any ideas?
[03:52] <instabin|work> is there any way to get the live cd and install on to a bootable usb key
[03:57] <sayers> Why is Gutsy using 100% of both my cores?
[03:58] <Arwen> probably that trackerd
[03:58] <sayers> What should I do about it?
[03:58] <Arwen> the search indexing that got built in is still broken afaik
[03:58] <Arwen> 'apt-get remove --auto-remove tracker'
[03:58] <Hobbsee> sayers: my psychic frog suggests you have a look for out of control processes using top.
[03:59] <Arwen> and oh yeah, you should see if my conjecture is right
[03:59] <sayers> Arwen, So gutsy won't have the newest xorg? :(
[04:00] <Arwen> eh? Why would I know? I don't think so.
[04:00] <Arwen> Well, correction. It does have the newest xorg. It won't have the newest xorg when it's released.
[04:00] <sayers> yeah
[04:00] <sayers> It should :(
[04:00] <sayers> What distro's will?
[04:00] <Arwen> gentoo? :-p
[04:01] <Arwen> I think Foedora Core 7 does as well
[04:01] <sayers> I've never tried fedora.
[04:01] <Arwen> me neither
[04:01] <sayers> gentoo's use flags are annoying and also the whole 3 hour compile stinks
[04:01] <Arwen> lol
[04:02] <Arwen> USE flags are pretty nice actually, they make configuring packages simpler
[04:02] <Arwen> compiling software like OpenOffice.org and KDE is a major pain though
[04:02] <sayers> they arent good if you dont want to bother with them
[04:03] <sayers> I do want a kde-based distro
[04:16] <Arwen> wow, compiling wine takes ages....
[04:29] <Do``> um
[04:29] <Do``> i just noticed
[04:30] <Do``> the gnome system monitor now displays 1 cpu, while i have a dualcore intel cpu and in feisty i had to distinct cpu-s
[04:30] <Do``> is that a bug a new feature?
[04:32] <shirish> Do``: if I remember it got updated/upgraded last night, the gnome system monitor, have you updated/upgraded it?
[04:32] <Do``> about an hour ago, yes
[04:33] <Do``> but it was the same - having checked back on screenshots i made - before that too
[04:34] <shirish> Do``: did you report the bug in launchpad then? either the bug might have been reported by somebody or it might have to do with your specs. either way look in launchpad
[04:34] <Do``> no, i ask here first
[04:35] <bernard__> Is xchat available for Gutsy?
[04:35] <Do``> yes, 2.8.4 works okay
[04:36] <Pici> !info xchat | bernard__
[04:36] <ubotu> bernard__: xchat: IRC client for X similar to AmIRC. In component universe, is optional. Version 2.8.4-0ubuntu2 (gutsy), package size 300 kB, installed size 808 kB
[04:41] <Arwen> Need to get 672kB/12.2MB of archives.After unpacking 53.4MB disk space will be freed.
[04:41] <Arwen> What's the deal? I sense something wrong
[04:41] <Hobbsee> you've already got some of it downloaded?
[04:41] <Arwen> no, the 53.4MB will be freed part
[04:42] <coNP> Arwen: do you have packages that will be removed?
[04:42] <Arwen> no
[04:42] <Arwen> that's why I'm worried
[04:43] <Pici> Did it say it was removing packages?
[04:43] <Arwen> no
[04:43] <Pici> Odd.
[04:43] <Arwen> http://pastebin.ca/672361
[04:46] <coNP> Arwen: what is wine14?
[04:46] <coNP> !info wine14 gutsy
[04:46] <ubotu> Package wine14 does not exist in gutsy
[04:47] <Arwen> coNP, missing newline character
[04:48] <Pici> I dont see smplayer-themes in the repos either
[04:48] <Arwen> that one's local
[04:49] <rbrunhuber> is there a dmraid version for gutsy that works with fake raid 5?
[05:01] <Arwen> rbrunhuber, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=528636
[05:01] <Arwen> seems to be dodgy
[05:06] <rbrunhuber> Arwen: Thanks. So I'll have to build my own live cd I guess.
[05:07] <rbrunhuber> Arwen: There are patches from a Red Hat guy. There are even a lp bugreport
[05:08] <Hobbsee> Arwen: rbrunhuber that's a feisty thread, though
[05:09] <Hobbsee> EDIT: Further research has lead me to dmraid 1.0.0.rc10, which in it's changelog notes RAID-5 support for nvidia. Current Ubuntu version is 1.0.0.rc9 which explains the lack of RAID-5 support. Will update with more info on how well it works.
[05:09] <Hobbsee>     dmraid | 1.0.0.rc13-2ubuntu5 | http://archive.ubuntu.com gutsy/universe Packages
[05:09] <Hobbsee>     dmraid | 1.0.0.rc13-2ubuntu5 | http://mirror.pacific.net.au gutsy/universe Sources
[05:09] <Arwen> *disclaimer*, google work
[05:09] <Hobbsee> but it's not on the cd, so...
[05:10] <rbrunhuber> Hobbsee: they aren't on gutsy tribe 5 cd?
[05:11] <terlmann> I getz 4092 fps in glxgears with Beryl On! woot !!
[05:11] <Arwen> terlmann, glxgears is not a benchmark
[05:11] <Hobbsee> rbrunhuber: it's in universe.  of course not.
[05:11] <terlmann> I know that
[05:12] <Arwen> 301 frames in 5.0 seconds = 60.019 FPS
[05:12] <Arwen> mm hmm :-)
[05:12] <terlmann> but I am getting 4000+ fps in glx gears with beryl on using a radeon 9250 with xorg-ati
[05:12] <rbrunhuber> Hobbsee: but i've downloaded the latest version when booted from the live cd. It complains about missing dm-raid45 target in the kernel
[05:12] <Arwen> terlmann, and I'm getting 60 fps with the same driver
[05:12] <terlmann> LOLOLOL
[05:12] <Arwen> wanna guess why?
[05:13] <terlmann> drag the edge of the window of glxgears so that the borders merge
[05:13] <GalileoP> kann man diesen popup effekt beim minimieren/maximieren bei compiz ausschalten?
[05:13] <terlmann> Its soo funnny
[05:13] <GalileoP> oh sry wrong chan
[05:13] <Arwen> heh
[05:13] <Arwen> doesn't do anything here, still 60 fps
[05:14] <Hobbsee> rbrunhuber: likely a bug, then
[05:14] <Arwen> terlmann, hint: vsync
[05:14] <terlmann> drag the glxgears left border to the right till the black portion dissapears
[05:15] <rbrunhuber> Hobbsee: I'm starting to cry now. It to me 2 months to get the ubuntu live cd booted, my whole computer is ripped in pieces. the bios is totally changed...
[05:16] <rbrunhuber> Hobbsee: *to =took
[05:16] <Hobbsee> nasty
[05:16] <terlmann> rbrunhuber : dump raid. In a year or so a new method of backing your data up will emerge. Raid = crap.
[05:17] <rbrunhuber> terlmann: i can't dump the raid there is there are 3 highly customized windows environments on it.
[05:18] <rbrunhuber> terlmann: i'd rather dump linux 'til my frustration level is down to normal.
[05:18] <terlmann> heh. your screwed. your windows is screwed too. do anything in windows or linux to fool with Raid and something will break. get rid of it immediatly.
[05:19] <terlmann> real MEN back up their data to 5 - inch floppies and run their os from Laser disks.
[05:20] <rbrunhuber> terlmann: i go back to dos now. 1 process at a time ~12 commands. world was great then :-)
[05:20] <robtaylor> terlmann: 5 inch? you mean 8 inch.. right?
[05:20] <rexy_> and they are not afraid of folding said floppy's
[05:21] <rbrunhuber> rexy_: and they put them in their back pocket and use them as a live system :-)
[05:21] <robtaylor> laserdiscs, pah, core ram loaded from 12" winchesters =)
[05:21] <rexy_> fold planes from them, ancient forms of communication
[05:22] <terlmann> hmm
[05:22] <terlmann> I just did something to pidgen, lost the channel log. brb
[05:22] <terlmann> there it is
[05:23] <terlmann> ok , rbrunhuber , back up all your data and then get rid of raid. solution found.
[05:24] <rbrunhuber> terlmann: I consider this as a nasty workaround.
[05:24] <terlmann> I don't. Raid IS a nasty workaround to true 1:1 static backups.
[05:25] <terlmann> using raid just by itself places your data at risk. Take it from an expert on the matter.
[05:26] <rbrunhuber> terlmann: maybe fakeraid is nasty. Raid itself is in my opinion a very cool solution.
[05:26] <terlmann> I have never used raid and have machines that have lasted over 150% ELD , with surges and the like.
[05:27] <terlmann> raid is like a man that hangs off of a roof using 1 hand to hold on while he paints the eaves.
[05:28] <terlmann> at best it allows you instant backup solutions and larger partitions that span more than one drive.
[05:28] <rbrunhuber> terlmann: since this is no channel for discussion over raid we shoud stop this
[05:28] <terlmann> ok.
[05:28] <terlmann> but this is ubuntu related
[05:29] <xtknight> anyone with an "nvidia" module loaded on Gutsy?  do you also see 50 Hz refresh rate when you type "xrandr -q" in the terminal, or use the screen resolution applet?
[05:29] <terlmann> As a lifetime Linux user, I do not endorse any of the 5 raid configurations , and I discourage you from using it.
[05:29] <rbrunhuber> maybe raid is an ancient africian word for "you'll never stop crying"
[05:31] <terlmann> /say/say
[05:32] <terlmann> /say/
[05:32] <terlmann> hmm
[05:33] <Pici> huh?
[05:36] <terlmann> \/ :\/ |@ |:|\|_|# !
[05:36] <terlmann> oops , missed an a
[05:36] <terlmann> \/ :\/@ |@ |:|\|_|#!
[05:37] <Pici> !leet | terlmann
[05:37] <ubotu> terlmann: 1337 i5 nigh-inc0mpr3h3n5ib13 70 u5 n00bs, 4nd n0b0dy c4r35 if UR 4 1337 h4x0r. Giv3 i7 4 r357.
[05:37] <GuyFromHell> is ubuntu running udev?
[05:37] <GuyFromHell> (i know i know i can find it online but it doesn't look like anything important is happening :P)
[05:37] <terlmann> yes
[05:37] <Pici> GuyFromHell: yes.
[05:37] <GuyFromHell> thank ya
[05:37] <terlmann> do slcoate udev
[05:38] <terlmann> oops
[05:38] <terlmann> well you know what I was saying
[05:38] <terlmann> I hope
[05:38] <Pici> !udev
[05:38] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about udev - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:38] <Pici> Meh.
[05:39] <terlmann> !ubuto
[05:39] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ubuto - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:39] <terlmann> !bots
[05:39] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about bots - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:39] <terlmann> hmm
[05:40] <terlmann> self-actualization needed before the bot will become useful.
[05:40] <terlmann> !wikipedia
[05:40] <ubotu> wikipedia is a free online encyclopedia, you can find it at http://wikipedia.org
[05:40] <terlmann> !shuttleworth
[05:40] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about shuttleworth - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:40] <terlmann> ehehe
[05:40] <terlmann> !bill gates
[05:41] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about bill gates - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:41] <terlmann> good
[05:41] <Pici> !botabuse | terlmann
[05:41] <ubotu> terlmann: Please investigate with me only in /msg or in #ubuntu-bots (see also !Bot). Abusing the channel bots will only result in angry ops...
[05:41] <terlmann> hmm
[05:43] <terlmann> my new emote ;-). @!!@ = surfing at the speed of light.
[05:44] <alberticor> hi
[05:44] <alberticor> why in compiz windows as expose are desactivated by default?
[05:45] <Arwen> don't know, go change it?
[05:45] <Arwen> probably because the devs wanted to limit the default amount of effects so it wouldn't kill old GPUs
[05:46] <alberticor> Arwen, is one of the most usable functions...
[05:46] <Arwen> *shrug*
[05:46] <alberticor> indeed that, alt+tab are the most with wall desktop, cube was stupid :)
[05:46] <Arwen> compizconfig-settings-manager
[05:46] <alberticor> I installed it, I am trying to find.
[05:46] <Arwen> Cube is stupid but pretty. Although for these new "widescreen" displays it looks really stupid.
[05:47] <alberticor> Cube have no usable function.
[05:47] <alberticor> xD
[05:47] <Arwen> heh, it does let you see all your desktops at once though
[05:47] <alberticor> so what?
[05:47] <alberticor> :)
[05:47] <Arwen> dunno, I don't use compiz. It doesn't work with my card.
[05:48] <alberticor> wall desktops do that, and you can manage windows in virtual desktops
[05:48] <Arwen> yeah, wall sounds a lot more useful
[05:48] <alberticor> it is, yes hehe
[05:48] <Arwen> anyway, I might try it out when my card works better or I can afford a new one
[05:48] <alberticor> but analog to expose from osx, is very usable, so I was expecting to have it enabled by default
[05:49] <alberticor> hehe
[05:49] <Arwen> yeah, I liked expose.
[05:49] <alberticor> I have an intel one, so it works perfect for me
[05:49] <Arwen> more used to alt+tab though
[05:49] <alberticor> alt+tab with real time windows miniature is usable too, yes
[05:49] <Arwen> ATI  :-\, both drivers kind of work, but neither really works.
[05:49] <Arwen> dunno, expose takes longer for me than alt+tab. Maybe I'm just used to it though.
[05:49] <alberticor> so, alt+tab, wall desktop and "expose" are the real usable things for me (opinion)
[05:50] <alberticor> what card do you have?
[05:50] <Arwen> Radeon X300 :-\
[05:50] <Arwen> it's utter crap
[05:50] <alberticor> aha.. no idea
[05:50] <alberticor> sorry
[05:50] <Arwen> yeah, I might get a NVIDIA 7600GT when I have more money. They're fairly cheap and still useful.
[05:52] <alberticor> hehe
[05:52] <alberticor> I have a laptop and my intel 945 is enough for compiz
[05:52] <alberticor> indeed it works perfectly
[05:53] <Arwen> yeah, but I use OpenGL regularly
[05:53] <Ramunas> my integrated nvidia 6100 works great too
[05:53] <Arwen> and not just for eyecandy :-\
[05:53] <Arwen> try playing games on either of those chips :-\
[05:54] <Ramunas> NFS: Porsche runs just fine
[05:54] <Ramunas> :P
[05:54] <Ramunas> just as Fallout 2, Diablo
[05:54] <Ramunas> those are the only games I play
[05:54] <Ramunas> :P
[05:54] <alberticor> I dont play games here
[05:55] <alberticor> I'm not gamer :)
[05:58] <alberticor> http://img108.imageshack.us/img108/4659/pantallazomt8ax0.png
[05:58] <Arwen> I'm not a gamer either
[05:58] <alberticor> This used to be my desktop in the past, feisty with beryl... Some new apps are using compositing, thats nice.
[05:58] <Arwen> I use OpenGL for video playback
[05:58] <alberticor> :)
[05:58] <Arwen> takes a good amount of power actually
[05:58] <terlmann> Awen : do you run sauerbraten ?
[05:59] <Arwen> Sauerbraten? nah, it always kernel paniced my system
[05:59] <Arwen> Used to play Nexuiz, but my fps was always unacceptably low
[06:04] <alberticor> How can I disable .files showed in gtk browser?
[06:05] <alberticor> When home path is showed with all config files is useless...
[06:05] <alberticor> too many files showed
[06:05] <alberticor> that should be optional (I think)
[06:06] <Ramunas> ctrl+h
[06:06] <Ramunas> ?
[06:06] <Pici> Ramunas: Yep, that should work.
[06:08] <albertico> Ok, thanks, so same as in nautilus.
[06:13] <xtknight> is nm-applet showing 'disconnected' for anyone else (when eth0 is perfectly functional)?
[06:14] <jussi01> xt on gnome or kde?
[06:14] <jussi01> xtknight: ^
[06:14] <xtknight> jussi01, gnome
[06:14] <xtknight> haven't tried kde yet
[06:15] <jussi01> xtknight:  I had this issue on kde. try disabling and then enabling it through the applet...
[06:15] <xtknight> is it a bug though?
[06:15] <jussi01> but that was a few weeks ago
[06:15] <jussi01> xtknight: I dont know. does that fix it?
[06:15] <xtknight> brb
[06:16] <xtknight> jussi01, yes, it does
[06:16] <jussi01> xtknight: have a look on lp. I think it was a bug
[06:17] <albert23> bug 134267
[06:17] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 134267 in network-manager-applet "[Tribe5]  Need to de-activated and re-activated to work right" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/134267
[06:17] <jussi01> there you go xtknight
[06:18] <jussi01> thanks albert23
[06:18] <xtknight> ahh thx
[06:43] <albertico> hi
[06:43] <albertico> if I want emerald in compiz fusion I need to enable it with gnome session manager at init
[06:44] <albertico> or is there a option in somewhere like compiz settings
[06:47] <Arwen> nope, init it
[06:47] <Arwen> question: why is the X server on tty8 instead of tty7 now?
[06:55] <saispo> hi
[06:55] <saispo> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-ubuntu-modules-2.6.22/+bug/131368
[06:55] <saispo> will be fixed ?
[06:55] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 131368 in linux-ubuntu-modules-2.6.22 "Dell 1420n audio not supported under Gutsy" [High,Triaged] 
[07:00] <Raystlin_FM> is anyone else experiencing a problem with no audio coming from headphones? all audio is being directed to the speakers
[07:00] <Pici> saispo: Now that we're in feature freeze, the devs will be spending their time fixing bugs.  Since its high priority, I expect it will be fixed in due time.
[07:01] <saispo> ok
[07:01] <saispo> will wait :)
[07:01] <saispo> don't want to reinstall a feisty
[07:02] <saispo> but no sound :-/
[07:02] <Ramunas> just upgraded to Gutsy
[07:03] <Ramunas> after enabling the compiz fusion stuff I have no window borders
[07:03] <Ramunas> I remember I needed to add something to xorg.conf
[07:07] <Ramunas> anybody?
[07:11] <tehk> Anyone know if displayconfiggtk works with twin view?
[07:12] <Chorus> if I have a directory with modules and a kernel and the DEBIAN-directory, how do I build a .deb from it?
[07:12] <Chorus> I'm running "fakeroot debian/rules binary-custom flavours=xen", but I'm not getting any .deb-files for some reason
[07:13] <robtaylor> Chorus: umm, if it has a DEBIAN directory, its not a source deb
[07:14] <robtaylor> Chorus: sounds like you have an unpacked binary package
[07:15] <robtaylor> Chorus: man 5 deb
[07:15] <Chorus> robtaylor - well, I built a kernel from the git tree, everything is built, but the .deb-files are not generated, I don't know why
[07:16] <robtaylor> Chorus: could you pastebin output of "fakeroot debian/rules binary-custom flavours=xen"?
[07:17] <Chorus> robtaylor - One good thing to know here is that I'm using the git tree from zul. The real ubuntu-git-tree builds fine
[07:17] <Chorus> robtaylor - well.. sure, I'm rebuilding right now thou, it will take a while
[07:17] <Ramunas> so, can anybody help me figure out why with compiz-fusion my windows have no borders?
[07:17] <Chorus> robtaylor - theres no errors at all
[07:18] <Chorus> maybe dpkg-deb -b will help
[07:19] <robtaylor> Chorus: maybe on the setup you have the binary-custom rule doesnt actually produce anything
[07:20] <Chorus> robtaylor - well, it produces a directory named linux-image-2.6.22-10-xen, with all modules and the kernel, but never makes a .deb-file of it
[07:20] <robtaylor> Chorus: thats pretty broken =)
[07:20] <Chorus> robtaylor - maybe zul made some misstake in the tree, but he told me it should be ok
[07:21] <Chorus> by the way, is there anyway to tell debian/rules to use -j3 as argument to make?
[07:21] <robtaylor> Chorus: well it should call dh_builddeb, which does that last stage
[07:21] <robtaylor> Chorus: just debian/rules -j3
[07:21] <Chorus> robtaylor - okay, I'll take a look at that as soon as the build is done
[07:22] <Chorus> robtaylor - ah, too ease ;D
[07:22] <Chorus> easy
[07:22] <robtaylor> Chorus: though careful, parallel makes can get nastyily wrong
[07:22] <Chorus> okay
[07:24] <Arwen> there's no way to add -j3 from dpkg-buildpackage is there?
[07:26] <Ramunas> where can I test that new UI for configuring X?
[07:26] <bur[n] er> sudo apt-get install displayconfig-gtk and run displayconfig-gtk
[07:27] <Ramunas> how come its not there by default?
[07:27] <bur[n] er> it might be
[07:27] <bur[n] er> it will be by october of course
[07:28] <bur[n] er> and with that, i'm off
[07:38] <Ramunas> still no luck, can somebody try to help me get compiz-fusion to work properly?
[07:38] <Ramunas> it seems to work, but there are no window borders for some reason
[07:51] <Ramunas> hello?
[07:51] <Pici> Ramunas: Have you asked in #ubuntu-effects, they are good at fixing that problem./
[07:57] <scizzo-> hello everyone
[07:57] <finalbeta> hello just you.
[07:58] <scizzo-> I have huge problems understanding how the nvidia-glx-new module works....I am trying to search for why my new graphic card fails to load X. The nvidia-glx-new I know can't load libwfb (which is also listed in a bug) the driver however that someone put on the bug now gives me that the kernel module does not exist...well it can't be found
[07:59] <scizzo-> any idea how I should continue on with this?
[08:00] <Ketsuban> As far as I can tell the best solution is to install nvidia-glx-new and then insert libwfb and the two symlinks.
[08:00] <scizzo-> Ketsuban: hmmm yeah I read about that
[08:00] <scizzo-> Ketsuban: just unpacking the .run driver and copy it?
[08:01] <Ketsuban> Just copy the libwfb file. I think someone commented on the bug to that effect.
[08:01] <scizzo-> Ketsuban: yep....I will try...thanks
[08:01] <Norrel> does someone have a problem with video?
[08:01] <Norrel> all my video players crash :E
[08:04] <Ramunas> am I supposed to get a million of device-mapper messages when booting up?
[08:07] <databuddy> Norrel: you turned on desktop effects i take it?
[08:07] <databuddy> what vid card
[08:10] <Norrel> databuddy: Yes, I have turned them on. Intel X3000
[08:10] <databuddy> yeah
[08:11] <databuddy> thats the way it is
[08:11] <databuddy> you need to select um
[08:11] <databuddy> well are u running 32bit or 64bit os
[08:11] <Norrel> 32bit
 A patch to enable composited Xv output for mplayer is attached to  http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/compiz/2007-July/002494.html . Ubuntu users can find a version of mplayer with the patch applied, in this repository: http://3v1n0.tuxfamily.org/dists/feisty/3v1n0/index.html
[08:12] <databuddy> go to that last linky
[08:12] <databuddy> install the libfaac0 then the mplayer and that will work
[08:12] <Norrel> roger
[08:12] <databuddy> then open terminal and type in gstreamer-properties
[08:13] <databuddy> click on video tab and select plugin: no xv
[08:13] <databuddy> x window system (no xv_
[08:13] <databuddy> x window system (no xv)
[08:13] <databuddy> gah
[08:13] <databuddy> anyway totem should work then also
[08:14] <Norrel> I hope that :)
[08:16] <databuddy> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=507328&highlight=compiz+totem+playback
[08:18] <Norrel> according to that guide I don
[08:18] <Norrel> 't even need that libfaac0
[08:19] <mlpug> sudo modprobe ipw3945 -> Module not found . where do i get ipw3945.ko?
[08:19] <databuddy> no get the fixed mplayer
[08:19] <databuddy> then you can run it with xv
[08:19] <databuddy> which takes less resources
[08:19] <Norrel> ok
[08:20] <Do``> http://lunapark6.com/ubuntu-gutsy-gibbon-710-new-features.html <- this page tribe 5 should already have this 'system/preferences/screens & graphics' and the tracker should be installed and the deskbar applet too, but i dont have any of them.. why?
[08:21] <databuddy> mlpug: did you do a dist upgrade to the i386 ?
[08:26] <mlpug> databuddy, i did normal update, upgrade, dist-upgrade recently
[08:27] <albert23> Do``: screen&graphics is under system --> Administration
[08:28] <Do``> i dont have screens & graphics there either
[08:28] <albert23> Gnome?
[08:28] <Do``> yes
[08:28] <albert23> I have a fresh tribe 5 install and it's there
[08:29] <Do``> i'm upgrading from feistry since tribe 3 and it's not here. want a screenshot? :D
[08:29] <Ramunas> sudo apt-get install displayconfig-gtk
[08:29] <Ramunas> do this
[08:29] <Ramunas> ;)
[08:29] <albert23> No need, I have seen more differences between fresh tribes and upgrades
[08:30] <Do``> it's still not there..
[08:30] <Ramunas> after installing it appeared for me
[08:35] <Norrel> databuddy: thanks, it worked :)
[08:36] <secureboot> when I build a new Xen kernel on Ubuntu Gutsy, it hangs on the "fuse init" line - even when I uninstall libfuse and fuse-utils.  Where is this coming from, so that I might purge it?
[08:45] <ompaul> databuddy, ping
[08:46] <databuddy> pong
[08:47] <Ketsuban> Hm.
[08:48] <Ketsuban> Okay, adding libwfb.so didn't make the nVidia driver work, and it still doesn't make Xorg.0.log, so I can't tell what the problem is.
[08:48] <AnRkey> what is the network-monitor-dispatcher?
[08:48] <AnRkey> NetworkManagerDispatcher sorry
[09:08] <jussi01> !info networkmanagerdispatcher
[09:08] <ubotu> Package networkmanagerdispatcher does not exist in gutsy
[09:22] <scizzo-> Ketsuban: you are having problems with nvidia-glx-new?
[09:23] <Ketsuban> scizzo-: yes.
[09:24] <ramunasM> can anybody on gutsy share their sources.list?
[09:24] <ramunasM> I think I have a problem with mine
[09:25] <scizzo-> Ketsuban: what is the problem exacytly?
[09:25] <Ketsuban> scizzo-: quite simply, if I use nvidia-glx-config to start using the nvidia driver, X refuses to start. I have to reboot into recovery mode and switch back to nv in order to actually be able to use the computer.
[09:26] <ramunasM> Do``: could you share your sources.list with me? I messed up mine
[09:26] <Assid> yoza
[09:26] <rbanffy> Hi folks. I am using a prism2 usb (internal) under Ubuntu Gutsy. Anyone feelink like helping me getting this thingie working?
[09:27] <scizzo-> ramunasM: change the links to gutsy only maybe?
[09:27] <scizzo-> ramunasM: hold on I will give you mine
[09:27] <ramunasM> scizzo-: I'm on gutsy already
[09:27] <scizzo-> Ketsuban: hmmm do you get the error libwfb problem or kernel error?
[09:27] <Do``> ramunasM: sure, sec
[09:28] <scizzo-> ramunasM: ok....but what might be the error? links getting ign or something?
[09:28] <Ketsuban> scizzo-: I don't know. I can't use the commandline if X doesn't work until I reboot into recovery mode, and it doesn't create an Xorg.0.log file.
[09:28] <Do``> ramunasM: http://pastebin.com/m6a013da7
[09:28] <scizzo-> Ketsuban: but do you get the blue background with text about it not starting?
[09:29] <Ketsuban> Nope. I get a blank screen.
[09:29] <ramunasM> Do``: thanks
[09:30] <ramunasM> scizzo-: I had some repos gone
[09:30] <scizzo-> ramunasM: aaa...ok
[09:30] <scizzo-> Ketsuban: you can't go Ctrl+Alt+F1 or anything?
[09:30] <Ketsuban> scizzo-, no.
[09:31] <scizzo-> Ketsuban: hmmm sounds really weird
[09:31] <scizzo-> Ketsuban: it shouldn't stop that really
[09:33] <Ketsuban> scizzo-: but without X or a terminal and no Xorg.0.log I'm kinda powerless to find out why it's not working.
[09:33] <Assid> and this my friends is why msft sucks
[09:33] <Assid> my windows just crashed.. firefox is totally dead.. torrents and stuff crashed..
[09:33] <Assid> waiting for 1/2 the gui to disappear
[09:34] <scizzo-> Ketsuban: hmm
[09:42] <roe> my disk is reading close to 500KB/s on an "idle system" any ideas how to further diagnose what program is the culprit?
[09:48] <ysth1> just replaced flash with gnash.  thanks to everyone who worked on this.
[09:49] <ysth1> though the legal language the easy codec installer presents is a little harsh, given you can just install the same packages manually without that kind of talk
[09:50] <ysth1> what's missing from having youtube videos play via gnash in Feisty?  is it just gnash 0.8?
[10:05] <Arwen> how can I disable apparmor? it's making my system not work (tm)
[10:13] <manchicken> Anybody know what the secret is to getting intel 3945 working under gutsy?  That's the only problem I'm having.
[10:19] <ysth1> manchicken: there was a linux-ubuntu-modules-2.6.22-10-generic update just in the last hour or two
[10:19] <ysth1> dunno if it's relevant
[10:19] <manchicken> I think that I just need to recreate the interface
[10:20] <manchicken> The module is loaded, there's just no interface.
[10:20] <manchicken> IIRC, that's supposed to automagically appear.
[10:23] <ysth1> about 1 in 5 boots, my wireless interface goes missing too; try restarting?
[10:23] <ysth1> (under both feisty and gutsy)
[10:37] <ubuntu> Hello
[10:38] <ubuntu>  My Wifi works again in tribe 5 :0
[10:38] <ubuntu> :-)
[10:38] <soc> hi
[10:38] <Arwen> we can tell..
[10:38] <soc> does someone know the policy on gimp?
[10:39] <Arwen> nope
[10:39] <soc> will it be updated to 2.4 if it will be released after gutsy?
[10:39] <soc> or will it stay on 2.3.18?
[10:39] <Arwen> it will be updated if released before the FREEZE
[10:40] <tehk> The freeze has occured
[10:40] <ubuntu> Anyone has gotten strigi to work?
[10:40] <Arwen> then it's stuck
[10:40] <tehk> only bug fix updates
[10:40] <Arwen> strigi? sh: strigi: not found
[10:41] <ubuntu> Kubuntu
[10:41] <ubuntu> and it would be strigidaemon
[10:42] <Arwen> oh, the search thing
[10:42] <Arwen> I killed that right away :-p
[10:42] <ubuntu> Arwen: so it started for you?
[10:42] <ubuntu> I can't get it to start
[10:42] <Arwen> the GNOME equivalent did
[10:42] <ubuntu> it starts a process then it jsut dies
[10:42] <Arwen> and I hated it
[10:42] <ubuntu> Arwen: Beagle?
[10:42] <ubuntu> yeah I hear many a bad thign about beagle
[10:42] <Arwen> it was called "tracker"
[10:42] <Arwen> killed my CPU
[10:43] <ubuntu> oh! that one
[10:45] <soc> Arwen: last time gaim was included as a beta and was later updated to final ... no such plans?
[10:45] <Arwen> it might happen, it even probably will happen
[10:45] <Arwen> don't ask me
[10:46] <Arwen> am I the only one that think's GIMP
[10:46] <Arwen> GIMP's new splash screen is stupid looking
[10:46] <ubuntu> they change it every few months Just wait it out
[10:46] <ubuntu>  not a big deal
[10:46] <ubuntu> Or better replace it with one that you like :)
[10:54] <c00i90wn> When upgrading to gutsy from feisty it doesn't install the new gutsy features, how is that achived?
[10:54] <scizzo-> Arwen: the 2.3 splash?
[10:54] <Arwen> yeah
[10:54] <Tomcat_> c00i90wn: Do you have ubuntu-desktop installed?
[10:55] <scizzo-> Arwen: well the first rc of 2.4 is out now.....I guess the splash will change until the big release
[10:56] <c00i90wn> Tomcat_: yes, that's what I thought and because of that I installed that meta package but for example compiz had to be started like before in festy, with compiz --replace
[10:57] <Tomcat_> c00i90wn: Well, the new features are installed then... they just aren't enabled, because your old configs have been taken over, and they don't contain the new features... one of the few reasons why I reinstall every time (unfortunately). :\
[10:58] <scizzo-> c00i90wn: I got compiz going on my gutsy system by turning off the desktop effects and then run compiz --replace
[10:59] <scizzo-> otherwise nothing works for me
[10:59] <c00i90wn> Tomcat_: actually it isn't completly installed, tracker for example didn';t got installed
[10:59] <Tomcat_> Mh. Weird.
[11:00] <Tomcat_> Maybe a missing dep in the alpha.
[11:01] <scizzo-> what I did was: Fix the nvidia-glx-new with downloading and copy the libwfb to the right place, install a few more compiz packs and make sure that the desktop effects are not on at all, start compiz with compiz --replace
[11:01] <scizzo-> the reason I did this is when I turn on the desktop effect the cube function is not working at all
[11:02] <scizzo-> some effects work...however the cube is not "registered" as it should. So this also means it messes up the workspace switcher....I could only change rows of the workspaces and not the amount of workspaces and so on
[11:02] <scizzo-> and there where only 1 workspace when starting the desktop effect.
[11:02] <scizzo-> so...yeah...
[11:04] <DanaG> !info spiftacity
[11:04] <ubotu> spiftacity: A lightweight GTK2 based Window Manager. In component universe, is optional. Version 2.13.89-0ubuntu3 (gutsy), package size 331 kB, installed size 752 kB
[11:04] <DanaG> Last update was Dapper.  Wouldn't that make it rather obsolete and in need of removal?
[11:04] <DanaG> However, it somehow feels subjectively faster than Metacity.
[11:06] <c00i90wn> scizzo-: compiz worked for me in a snap without any problem, but I had compiz already installed before upgradoing to gutsy
[11:07] <DanaG> How can I get metacity to do compositing?
[11:07] <DanaG> At least xfwm4 does compositing.
[11:08] <ameyer> DanaG: for what it's worth, compiz with all the fancy effects turned off is subjectively faster than metacity
[11:08] <ameyer> for me I mean
[11:08] <DanaG> Not on a Savage.
[11:08] <DanaG> I use Compiz on my good laptop, but I'm on an older system at the moment.
[11:08] <ameyer> yeah, intel 845 on my desktop...
[11:08] <DanaG> It seems to suppot Composite and AIGLX, but no non-power-of-two textures.
[11:10] <Arwen> no big deal, my card doesn't either
[11:12] <ubuntu_> strigi anyone?
[11:17] <Pici> Hmm.. I'm getting xml parsing errors when I open some firefox menu items
[11:23] <DanaG> Checking for non power of two support: Not present.
[11:23] <DanaG> Argh.
[11:25] <DanaG> So I can't possibly use Compiz.
[11:32] <Pici> hmmm
[11:32] <Pici> Who was just talking about power of 2 support before I rebooted.
[11:32] <Kousotu> is there any way to check Thermals in Linux?
[11:33] <Ketsuban> Pici: that would be DanaG.
[11:33] <Pici> Ketsuban: thanks
[11:33] <Pici> DanaG: Did you just install the latest compiz update? I'm getting the same error
[11:34] <DanaG> Odd: if I use 24-bit color, somehow non-power-of-two is supported, yet I get this:
[11:34] <DanaG> If I use 16-bit color, I get this:
[11:34] <DanaG> Checking for non power of two support: Not present.
[11:34] <DanaG> (it falls back to Metacity.)
[11:35] <DanaG> I don't expect full features on such a weak GPU, but I'd at least like to have translucent titlebars and non-laggy-painting dragging.
[11:35] <Pici> Mine was working before the most recent update :/
[11:36] <DanaG> Even before then, I couldn't run it.
[11:38] <Kousotu> is there any way to check Thermals in Linux?
[11:38] <soc> lmsensors
[11:39] <DanaG> !info lm-sensors
[11:40] <ubotu> lm-sensors: utilities to read temperature/voltage/fan sensors. In component main, is extra. Version 1:2.10.4-1ubuntu1 (gutsy), package size 496 kB, installed size 1520 kB
[11:40] <Kousotu> cool
[11:40] <Kousotu> lol
[11:40] <Kousotu> what's the pacagename?
[11:40] <Kousotu> package name*
[11:41] <Kousotu> LM-sensors?
[11:41] <Pici> lm-sensors
[11:41] <Kousotu> but L and M right?
[11:41] <Kousotu> lol
[11:41] <Pici> Isnt that what I typed?
[11:42] <DanaG> dasn.
[11:42] <DanaG> er, dash.
[11:42] <DanaG> the dash was missing.
[11:42] <Kousotu> idk..
[11:42] <Kousotu> lol
[11:43] <Kousotu> certain fonts look strange, that's why I asked
[11:43] <Kousotu> and lm can be run from live CD?
[11:45] <DanaG> You can install the package when in the liveCD.
[11:45] <DanaG> You'll have to update the apt cache first.  I use 'aptitude update'.
[11:45] <Kousotu> oh yay...
[11:45] <Kousotu> lol
[11:45] <Kousotu> how long will that ake on LAN?
[11:46] <DanaG> First edit sources.list to point to the right mirror.
[11:47] <DanaG> It defaults to archive.ubuntu.com.
[11:49] <Kousotu> ?
[11:49] <dfgas> where do i get the newest release  :D
[11:49] <dfgas> i really want to check out these new features
[11:50] <DanaG> Oh, do you mean "on broadband"?  To me, "on LAN" means "with a mirror on the LAN".
[11:50] <DanaG> If in the USA, try mirrors.kernel.org.
[11:50] <ysth1> dfgas: see the topic (and the warning just after the link)
[11:51] <dfgas> i have used many alpha and beta release versions, so its all good  :D
[11:51] <Kousotu> lol
[11:51] <Kousotu> I wasrefering to with eth hooked up
[11:52] <Kousotu> I use Wiresless
[11:52] <dfgas> i thought i saw dvd releases as well when i downloaded it before
[12:14] <scizzo-> well the update-manager -d didn't work for me....and the CD just got stuck on boot
[12:15] <scizzo-> maybe I should search the bugs on the problem with boot......the computer just stops and starts beeping loads on Tribe 5 CD
[12:15] <cdm10> So I was testing Gutsy, and it seems that while it can gracefully recover from not having an xorg.conf, it can't go into the failsafe vesa mode if the xorg.conf is actually messed up.
[12:18] <scizzo-> guerby: what did you do for it to gewt removed?
[12:18] <scizzo-> oops...sorry guerby
[12:18] <scizzo-> wrong person
[12:20] <scizzo-> cdm10: did you do anything...or install something?
[12:21] <cdm10> cdm10: what do you mean? I was just testing what would happen if I messed up my xorg.conf... when I deleted it, it got reset to a failsafe-ish one, but when I changed the driver to one that didn't exist, it didn't go into the failsafe mode
[12:22] <TerraMaster> Aug 27 15:03:52 haaf-desktop NetworkManager: <debug> [1188252232.925869]  nm_hal_device_added(): New device added (hal udi is '/org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/usb_device_5e3_702_noserial').
[12:22] <TerraMaster> Aug 27 15:03:53 haaf-desktop NetworkManager: <debug> [1188252233.153883]  nm_hal_device_added(): New device added (hal udi is '/org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/usb_device_5e3_702_noserial_if0').
[12:22] <TerraMaster> Aug 27 15:03:53 haaf-desktop kernel: [90362.542910]  usb-storage: device found at 2
[12:22] <TerraMaster> I get this when I go plug in my usb device... And it wont load and its disappears when I go to use lsusb in my teminal
[12:24] <TerraMaster> I also get this (another process tree
[12:24] <TerraMaster> Aug 27 15:03:52 haaf-desktop kernel: [90362.105466]  usb 4-3: new high speed USB device using ehci_hcd and address 2
[12:24] <TerraMaster> Aug 27 15:03:52 haaf-desktop kernel: [90362.239687]  usb 4-3: configuration #1 chosen from 1 choice
[12:24] <TerraMaster> Aug 27 15:03:53 haaf-desktop kernel: [90362.485796]  usbcore: registered new interface driver libusual
[12:24] <TerraMaster> Aug 27 15:03:53 haaf-desktop kernel: [90362.542535]  Initializing USB Mass Storage driver...
[12:24] <TerraMaster> Aug 27 15:03:53 haaf-desktop kernel: [90362.542789]  scsi0 : SCSI emulation for USB Mass Storage devices
[12:24] <TerraMaster> Aug 27 15:03:53 haaf-desktop kernel: [90362.542910]  usb-storage: device found at 2
[12:25] <TerraMaster> Aug 27 15:03:53 haaf-desktop kernel: [90362.542913]  usb-storage: waiting for device to settle before scanning
[12:25] <TerraMaster> Aug 27 15:03:53 haaf-desktop kernel: [90362.543029]  usbcore: registered new interface driver usb-storage
[12:25] <TerraMaster> Aug 27 15:03:53 haaf-desktop kernel: [90362.543091]  USB Mass Storage support registered.
[12:25] <TerraMaster> Aug 27 15:03:58 haaf-desktop kernel: [90367.537321]  usb-storage: device scan complete
[12:25] <TerraMaster> Aug 27 15:04:03 haaf-desktop kernel: [90373.312406]  usb 4-3: USB disconnect, address 2
[12:25] <TerraMaster> Aug 27 15:04:03 haaf-desktop kernel: [90373.312578]  scsi 0:0:0:0: scsi: Device offlined - not ready after error recovery
[12:30] <PriceChild> !paste | TerraMaster
[12:30] <ubotu> TerraMaster: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[12:34] <Arwen> My printers don't work anymore because of apparmor. How can I disable it?
[12:51] <TerraMaster> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/35322/ Please read and help me (details inside)
[12:58] <ysth1> aha; the update-manager -d mystery solved
[01:02] <ysth1> Is there a formal page giving instructions for updating Feisty to Gutsy?
[01:02] <Arwen> you solved it?
[01:07] <ysth1> yeah.  the release information is cached in /var/lib/update-manager/meta-release.  that file is fetched from one of three url's, depending on the switches you give, but it's always cached in the same file and the requests use the timestamp of it for If-Modified-Since.  So if you've asked for non-development releases, you won't see development releases thereafter.
[01:07] <ysth1> workaround:  sudo touch -t 197001010000 /var/lib/update-manager/meta-release
[01:07] <ysth1> just before doing update-manager -d
[01:11] <ysth1> correct fix: update-manager should keep separate files under /var/lib for each possible url it uses
[01:15] <DanaG> WTF? "These settings cannot work with your current window manager (Metacity)"
[01:15] <DanaG> But I'm running xfwm4!
[01:15] <DanaG> And xfwm4 won't do alt-f2 under Gnome.