[03:44] <summer_s4> did i miss the meeting?
[05:44] <ionstorm> summer_s4, no meeting since 4pm since ive been here
[05:44] <summer_s4> wut time is it now?
[06:45] <summer_s4> what is utc?
[09:09] <kraut> moin
[04:55] <popey> 5 mins to the screencast team meeting
[04:59] <popey> ewwwwww
[05:00] <popey> BONG! Screencast Team meeting start
[05:00] <popey> Anyone here for the screencast team meeting?
[05:00] <popey> This will be nice and quick then
[05:02] <popey> * Current status
[05:02] <Webspot> I'm here!
[05:02] <popey> I have had little time to make or administer screencasts recently, however I now have quite a lot of time, so am planning to focus on the screencast team pretty much full time
[05:02] <Webspot> Just got here.
[05:02] <popey> :)
[05:02] <popey> yay!
[05:02] <Webspot> :)
[05:02] <popey> I have some outstanding videos to process
[05:02] <popey> these should be done over the next week or so
[05:03] <popey> Hosting: We are now hosted by canonical \o/
[05:03] <popey> which is currently down :(
[05:03] <elkbuntu> heh
[05:03] <popey> I will chase this up tomorrow when canonical staff are back at work, no sense bothering them on a bank holiday
[05:04] <popey> there is another issue which is right now I don't have SSH / SCP access to the box
[05:04] <popey> so currently i can't upload any new videos, but I suspect if I put them online on my own hosting, I could ask the admins to wget them onto the box
[05:05] <popey> i would also like us to move from drupal 4.x to drupal 5.x but that can wait until the canonical guys have developed the drupal 5 ubuntu template we use
[05:05] <popey> no hurry there, the site isn't broken as such
[05:05] <popey> Ok, that's the current status..
[05:05] <popey> any comments before we move on?
[05:05] <Webspot> Nope.
[05:06] <popey> * Growing the team
[05:06] <popey> This I am a little stuck on..
[05:06] <popey> one thing i think i need to do is stick to regular meetings
[05:06] <popey> send out updates to the mailing list
[05:06] <popey> etc
[05:06] <popey> and keep uploading new screencasts to bring people in
[05:07] <popey> we have been given screencasts by people who are actually hosting elsewhere
[05:07] <popey> with a view to putting them on the site
[05:07] <popey> which is fantastic, but I am concerned we don't have much "exclusive" content
[05:07] <popey> i.e. we would then just be hosting stuff that can be found elsewhere
[05:07] <Webspot> I think we should stick to our own content.
[05:07] <popey> Suggestions for growing the team greatfully received!
[05:08] <Webspot> On the site.
[05:08] <popey> or have a section for "contributed content", i.e. not made by "Us"
[05:08] <Webspot> Yeah.
[05:08] <popey> where "us" = "the 'team'" ?
[05:08] <popey> i want to link to other sites, cross promote etc
[05:08] <Webspot> yeah
[05:08] <popey> ok, glad that doesn't sound mad, will do that then
[05:08] <popey> maybe not put them on the front page?
[05:09] <popey> but have a link to them from the front page?
[05:09] <Webspot> Yeah
[05:09] <popey> ok, will do that
[05:09] <Webspot> Sounds good.
[05:09] <popey> ok, next topic may get some interest from outside, I hope it will at least
[05:09] <popey> * Month Of Screencasts
[05:09] <popey> A month of screencasts - one per day for the month of September - leading up to the release of gutsy in late October.
[05:10] <popey> Week one: Fundamentals week
[05:10] <popey> People who have probably never used Ubuntu, at least not in anger, probably never used Linux, or maybe not recently, and may not even be aware of FOSS on other platforms like Windows
[05:10] <popey> Week two: Setup week
[05:10] <popey> Same as above, but presumes they have watched the first week. Builds on that so that people who have installed Ubuntu but only have a basic grasp of computer use can pick up some useful information
[05:10] <popey> Week three & Four:
[05:10] <popey> Now we have brought people up to speed with the "What" and "Why", we move onto the more detailed good stuff like actually using your Ubuntu PC productively
[05:11] <popey> Each video to be available as OGG and FLV _only_ initially
[05:11] <popey> maybe available as AVI/MOV later - maybe on a pay-for DVD or something, I don't know, maybe only via torrent or something
[05:11] <popey> but the rationale is that with only two video codecs to worry about things get a bit easier
[05:11] <popey> less video processing and less time spent uploading
[05:12] <popey> each video will be 20-30 mins long (max) and would go in depth on a particular subject..
[05:12] <popey> here's my sample week one, starting this saturday (!) sept 1st
[05:12] <popey> Day 1: Ubuntu - what is it!
[05:12] <popey> Day 2: Linux - What is that too!?
[05:12] <popey> Day 3: Freedom, Free and Open Licenses - not totally sure about this, but people need to know
[05:13] <popey> Day 4: Why Use Ubuntu
[05:13] <popey> Day 5: Getting Help - Forums, irc, mailing lists etc
[05:13] <popey> Day 6: Tour of the Ubuntu desktop - What are all the icons you first see
[05:13] <popey> Day 7: Tour of the Ubuntu Applications - What are all the icons on the Applications menu
[05:13] <popey> Phew!
[05:13] <popey> Second week looks a bit like this:-
[05:13] <popey> Day 8: Installing Ubuntu - Overview of install process and what to do when things go wrong
[05:14] <popey> Day 9: Networking fundamentals - Wi-Fi, LAN, ISP, modems, connection types, basic diags
[05:14] <popey> Day 10: Updating the system - Bug fixes, security updates, proposed packages etc
[05:14] <popey> Day 11: Installing software packages from repositories - standard repos and additional ones
[05:14] <popey> Day 12: Manually installing software - gdebi / compiling (perhaps - pref not)
[05:14] <popey> Day 13: Printer and scanner setup
[05:15] <popey> Day 14: ealing with Troublesome Hardware - Wi-Fi, printers, scanners, Video cards, USB devices
[05:15] <popey> Phew again!
[05:15] <popey> Week 3 and 4 are still somewhat in a state of flux, here is a dump of some of the ideas :-
[05:15] <popey> 	Choosing the right version
[05:15] <popey> 	First steps - what you need to know about media playback
[05:15] <popey> 	Playing media
[05:15] <popey> 	Playing games
[05:15] <popey> 	Themes
[05:15] <popey> 	Email
[05:15] <popey> 	IM
[05:15] <popey> 	Writer, calc, impress, base
[05:15] <popey> 	Scribus, project
[05:15] <popey> 	Ekiga, Gizmo & Skype
[05:15] <popey> 	Graphics
[05:16] <popey> The last week might be called something like "productivity week"
[05:16] <popey> the last two days of the month would be one day "getting involved" and one day "wrap up" for the month
[05:16] <popey> and maybe the last one could also have Q&A
[05:16] <popey> people could write in questions through the month and I'd record that one right at the end
[05:17] <popey> some/most of these I will record up front - before the day they go live, and let drupal make the content availabale at midnight or something
[05:17] <popey> comments/questions? :)
[05:17] <Webspot> Do we have enough man power?
[05:17] <popey> "One man can make a difference Michael" I believe it was said on Knight Rider :)
[05:17] <Webspot> Lol
[05:18] <popey> Well, in total it's 30 days, at a max of 30 mins a day thats 15 hours video
[05:18] <popey> I have automated much of the post processing now
[05:18] <popey> and a lot of it will just be talking into the Mic, with little requirement for funky demos
[05:18] <popey> i am actually not working at the moment - "between contracts" so I have quite a lot of time :)
[05:18] <Webspot> Good.
[05:18] <popey> it will be quite a task, that's for sure
[05:19] <popey> oh, and I have a week holiday in mid sept :)
[05:19] <Webspot> It's my last two weeks off now, so I'll try and keep busy on this too.
[05:19] <popey> so I definitely need to do them up front
[05:19] <popey> excellent
[05:19] <popey> We could use the mailing list for communication
[05:19] <popey> one thing I don't want to do is release the videos early
[05:19] <Webspot> Yeah. I signed up to it.
[05:19] <popey> or release too much detail about whats in them
[05:19] <popey> (so I saw ;) )
[05:19] <Webspot> Has anyone else?
[05:19] <popey> I have configured the RSS feeds on the site already
[05:19] <popey> one other :(
[05:20] <popey> once this month kicks in I think we will see more attention
[05:20] <Webspot> Yeah.
[05:20] <Webspot> Especially if it ends up on digg :p
[05:20] <popey> indeed
[05:20] <popey> i asked the canonical admins about disk space and bandwidth and they were fine
[05:20] <popey> max it should take is 8GB disk space
[05:20] <popey> for all the videos in 3 formats
[05:21] <popey> s/.formats/sizes
[05:21] <popey> so tomorrow I am going to make a promo video
[05:21] <popey> day 0, if you like
[05:21] <popey> which I will put on the site, and it will be the first video in the rss feeds
[05:21] <popey> to basically pimp it a bit and get the word out, and hopefully get some people subscribing to the rss feed
[05:22] <Webspot> Yeah.
[05:22] <popey> questions/comments?
[05:22] <popey> other than "you're mad"
[05:22] <Webspot> Nope.
[05:22] <popey> :)
[05:22] <popey> which I have had already from other people
[05:22] <popey> good, next thing..
[05:22] <Hobbsee> popey: you're insane.
[05:22] <Hobbsee> not mad.
[05:22] <popey> :)
[05:22] <Hobbsee> :)
[05:22] <popey> ^^ see
[05:23] <popey> * #
[05:23] <popey> * Screencast workflow
[05:23] <popey> The steps we go through are insane, too complex and need to be simplified
[05:23] <popey> maybe less use of qemu, more use of vnc to the local host - to another user
[05:23] <popey> make it easeir for people to contribute
[05:24] <popey> I have had on my to do list for some time "make the screencast guide easier" but I haven't had the time to do it
[05:24] <popey> it's now on my "must do real soon now" list :)
[05:24] <popey> I had a meeting with Jono last week and he suggested that we attempt to to get some of the things we do integrated into a screencasting app
[05:24] <popey> so for example the app could do the header/footer and so on
[05:25] <popey> rather than having to use 8 different apps all over the place
[05:25] <Webspot> Yeah, that would be useful
[05:25] <popey> there is one screencasting app (commercial) - DemoRecorder (.com iirc) which is quite nice
[05:25] <popey> I will contact the author - he seemed open to open sourcing it in the past, but that may not still be the case
[05:26] <popey> would be nice if we could start with that, because it has some nice features that none of the others have - like almost zero cpu utilisation when recording
[05:26] <popey> and video converters built into the product - not sure how useful they would be but still
[05:26] <popey> i think this is a longer term idea which needs to be specced up
[05:26] <popey> i.e. a specification for a screencasting app needs writing and putting on launchpad
[05:27] <popey> I'll flesh out what Jono and I talked about and put it on the mailing list so we can have a chat about it in the open ok?
[05:27] <Webspot> Ok.
[05:27] <popey> it would be good if you could look at what you do to create screencasts, and figure out where the time/effort goes
[05:28] <popey> a kind of time & motion study
[05:28] <popey> figure out where we are wasting time
[05:28] <popey> i think if we can make the process easier and more efficient we might get more people involved
[05:28] <popey> what say you?
[05:28] <Hobbsee> NI!
[05:28] <Hobbsee> \o/
[05:29] <Hobbsee> (http://movingparts.net/2007/08/20/not-to-leave-the-room-even-if-you-come-and-get-im/)
[05:31] <Webspot> The part that I spend the most time on is patching audio to video and joining it all up.
[05:31] <Webspot> How will we make it easier?
[05:31] <Hobbsee> use herrings
[05:31] <Hobbsee> utilise the power of the raw herring
[05:32] <popey> good question Webspot
[05:32] <popey> i think we need to figure out all the time wasting bits and _then_ figure out how we fix them :)P
[05:33] <popey> we'll discuss on the list yeah? :)
[05:34] <Webspot> Yeah.
[05:34] <popey> cool
[05:34] <popey> next!
[05:34] <popey> * Any other business
[05:34] <popey> oh
[05:34] <popey> well, there is one other thing :)
[05:34] <popey> In my meeting with Jono last week he suggested that screencasts should be "in" ubuntu
[05:35] <Webspot> We could build a application to browse through them and play them.
[05:35] <popey> meaning, you go to Help --> Videos in _any_ app and a popup comes up with a seclection of videos you can watch - streamed perhaps - over t'internet
[05:35] <popey> exactly!
[05:35] <popey> python + gtk + gstreamer, or qt for kde
[05:35] <Webspot> Yup
[05:35] <popey> I have a spec partly written and will put it on launchpad and then ping a mail to the list about it
[05:36] <popey> anything else you can think of to discuss?
[05:36] <Webspot> Can't think of anything.
[05:37] <popey> excellent
[05:37] <popey> last thing then..
[05:37] <popey> * Next meeting schedule
[05:37] <popey> two weeks today?
[05:37] <Webspot> Yeah. Sounds good.
[05:37] <popey> ooh
[05:38] <popey> so, same time on the 10th Sept?
[05:38] <Webspot> Ah! Problem. Might not be home from sixthform.
[05:38] <Webspot> Don't know my timetable yet.
[05:38] <popey> duff day or duff time?
[05:38] <Webspot> We could make the time an hour later.
[05:38] <popey> or would the evening be better?
[05:39] <popey> 8pm for example?
[05:39] <Webspot> Should be alight that.
[05:39] <popey> So 19:00 UTC on 10th Sept yes?
[05:39] <Webspot> Yup
[05:39] <popey> groovy
[05:39] <popey> sorted, thanks for attending
[05:40] <Webspot> Is there any particular screencasts I should start planning on?
[05:41] <popey> for the month of screencasts?
[05:41] <Webspot> Yup
[05:41] <popey> "MoS 2007" as I am calling it ;)
[05:41] <popey> tell you what, lets talk about it on the list after I post this detail about the meeting yeah?
[05:41] <popey> will be all nicely formatted and everything
[05:41] <Webspot> Ok.
[05:41] <popey> doing it now
[05:44] <popey> oh Webspot just remembered something
[05:44] <popey> when the site moved to canonical hosting they deleted all the drupal accounts execpt mine, so I will need to re-create yours - probably just needs a password reset email sending - will do that when the site comes back
[05:45] <Webspot> Ah right
[05:45] <Webspot> I never need to log in really, anyway :p
[05:46] <popey> unless you want to reply to comments to screencasts you have made?
[05:47] <Webspot> Ah yeah. Forgot about that bit.
[05:51] <Webspot> popey: Are the screencasts going to be planned in pretty much the same way, for the month of screencasts, as we do at the moment?
[05:51] <popey> well. at the moment I have a separate page in my tomboy notes
[05:51] <popey> for each screencast, and am making notes myself
[05:51] <popey> is that what you mean?
[05:52] <popey> I can make a page on the wiki once we nail down the schedule
[05:52] <popey> I'd rather not heavily publicise the content before they are set in stone (i.e. recorded)
[05:52] <Webspot> Ok. How do we choose who does what screencast then?
[05:54] <popey> toss a coin :)
[05:54] <popey> I don't mind myself
[05:55] <popey> once I send the mail out, you can bagsy whichever ones you want :)
[05:55] <Webspot> Ah right. Good :)
[05:55] <popey> :)
[05:59] <popey> ok, "offical" end of meeting