[12:32] The question is if want to empty the REVU queue or have 3 perfect pacakges... :) [12:33] coNP: 3 perfect packages! nothing but perfection [12:33] coNP: and you know you can do both :-) === coNP runs 3 pbuilders for the telepathy- from bigon :) === coNP has /var 100% full :( [12:42] coNP: treat it well, that was my first package (ah, the memories ....) [12:42] norsetto: which one? === pygi [n=mario@131-44.dsl.iskon.hr] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:44] coNP: telepathy-sofiasip (https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/111728) [12:44] Launchpad bug 111728 in ubuntu "[needs-packaging] Please package telepathy-sofiasip" [Wishlist,Fix released] [12:44] Oh. These are telepathy-{haze,mission-control,salut} === jml [n=jml@203-113-250-169-static.TAS.netspace.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:46] coNP: yeah, I remember I did something on libmissioncontrol (thats how it was called then) [12:46] Sure. I guess these are package updates [12:47] coNP: I guess, everything was passed over to Debian [12:47] ping TheMuso [12:48] norsetto: I don't know [12:48] coNP: me too, way too many things I don't know and I might never know [12:48] cbx33: Yeah [12:49] norsetto, coNP, any packages you have looked at need a second advocate? [12:49] TheMuso, got a sec for a pm? [12:49] TheMuso: : boswars [12:49] Sure. [12:49] Ok [12:49] and two others [12:49] check REVU please :) [12:49] Sure [12:49] coNP: You are doing a great job. Keep it up. === coNP has time now. [12:50] TheMuso, i need one on mythbuntu-control-centre if you can === dcsmith_ [n=dcsmith@ool-4351bc6d.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:50] bigon: what is the difference between hase and your telepathy-hase package? [12:50] !info hase gutsy [12:50] Package hase does not exist in gutsy [12:50] !info telepathy-hase gutsy [12:50] Package telepathy-hase does not exist in gutsy [12:51] !info telepathy-haze gutsy [12:51] Package telepathy-haze does not exist in gutsy [12:51] !info haze gutsy [12:51] Package haze does not exist in gutsy [12:51] no difference :-) [12:51] superm1: Sure. [12:51] coNP: haze has been packages without the help of the debian tp ream [12:51] team [12:51] bigon: okay. I just checked and got haze 0.1.1-0ubuntu1 from the archives. [12:51] REVU has also 0.1.1-0ubuntu1 [12:52] tp-haze still sit in the debian new queue [12:52] coNP: yes I think my pkg should be dropped for now [12:52] I still don't understand why to package / review the same version again... [12:53] For Ubuntu. Debian has its own queue :) [12:53] coNP: both pkg have been at the same time by different persons [12:53] bigon: so you think I can archive your telepathy-haze package? === RainC1 [n=RainCT@unaffiliated/rainct] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:53] coNP: yep === RainC1 [n=RainCT@unaffiliated/rainct] has left #ubuntu-motu ["Leaving."] [12:55] bigon: but you say once debian includes telepathy-haze, we can sync / merge and drop haze? [12:56] coNP: yep [12:57] Okay. For an update package do I need a second ack? [12:57] I guess only an UVFe. === mwolson [i=mwolson@host-212-116.inlacol.clients.pavlovmedia.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === doko_ [n=doko@dslb-088-073-123-056.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:08] bigon: can you please file UVFe requests for your update packages? [01:09] ok, thats it, I'm heading to bed.... [01:09] night all! [01:11] Does anybody know any other gimpnet servers appart from irc.gnome.org? [01:11] bigon: Perhaps you might ask as well if they would be permitted (from ScottK, soren, StevenK, zul, Hobbsee). I am glad to review / sponsor you the uploads once done with the UVF part [01:12] coNP: ? which package? tp-haze? [01:12] No. telepathy-mission-control, telepathy-salut and empathy [01:12] Haze has the proper version. [01:13] coNP: uvfe has been already filled :o [01:13] bigon: then I am sorry. [01:14] BTW next time you can adds comment for this on REVU [01:15] To give poor reviewers a chance to notice the fact :) [01:16] In fact there is no real need to review these packages any more. [01:16] If two MOTU acks them === iceman [n=iceman@cable-87-244-153-189.upc.chello.be] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:30] thx for looking that over TheMuso. I've never used desktop-file-validate before, but the desktop file works as is. Did you run it on the resultant .desktop, or the .in? The warnings that come up may only have been from the .in since several things can still be translated at that point [01:32] superm1: On the desktop itself. [01:32] I am well aware of the .in file having bits that wouldn't be recognised. [01:33] TheMuso, okay. Well i'll be sure to fix that in a future upload then. [01:36] superm1: Glad to be of help. [01:37] Ouch! Boswars is big! [01:44] TheMuso: yep. [01:44] hi [01:45] TheMuso, can you archive the control centre revu item, i still dont have my revu permissions === coNP archived that [01:47] superm1: what permissions would you like on revu? :) [01:47] ajmitch, permissions to do revu'ing :) [01:47] i'm still marked as a contributor [01:48] not any more [01:48] logout & log back in [01:48] okay sweet thanks [01:51] superm1: Did that as soon as I acked. [01:52] TheMuso, wasn't sure, and my DNS is a bit finicky right now to resolving, so i couldnt get to the revu site === ajmitch wonders who the person was who flamed tim hull for a thread on -devel-discuss === jml [n=jml@ppp108-61.static.internode.on.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === khermans [i=khermans@nat/cisco/x-8dd66921389b0666] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:02] ajmitch: Wouldn't we all like to know. [02:02] it was more than a bit over the top [02:03] tonyyarusso: ping === Yann_Dinendal [n=Yann@dyn-91-168-153-124.ppp.tiscali.fr] has joined #ubuntu-motu === reggaemanu [n=manu@ARennes-359-1-135-204.w90-49.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-motu === caravena [n=caravena@pc-197-20-47-190.cm.vtr.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ytojack [n=ytojack@219.131.124.196] has joined #ubuntu-motu === hggdh [n=hggdh@pool-71-170-39-244.dllstx.fios.verizon.net] has left #ubuntu-motu [] [02:29] coNP, on gtkglextmm, i ended up with a FTBFS, did you build it in pbuilder? [02:29] or sbuild? [02:30] superm1: What sort of FTBFS? [02:30] TheMuso, make[1] : *** No rule to make target `distclean'. Stop. [02:30] ah [02:33] In case you've never fixed something like that before, StevenK pointed me at "if [ -f Makefile ] ; then $(MAKE) distclean ; fi" [02:34] I have never had to fix something like that before. I'll add that as a comment though. thanks RAOF === robitaille [n=robitail@ubuntu/member/robitaille] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:35] Another, less lintian-clean solution is to add a "-" before the start of the line, to make it ignore errors. [02:35] surprisingly, actually there already is a - at the start of the line [02:35] Oh, really? Hm. I thought that should ignore errors, it has for me in the past. === RAOF stabs wine, and stabs nvidia twice as hard. === lakin [n=lakin@S01060013101832ce.cg.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:39] !revu [02:39] REVU is a web-based tool to give people who have worked on Ubuntu packages a chance to "put their packages out there" for other people to look at and comment on in a structured manner. See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Packages/REVU [02:41] anyone have an idea if or when qtpfsgui would hit universe for gutsy? would this be gutsy+1 only? http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=7 === kompozer [n=kaze@AGrenoble-152-1-34-171.w82-122.abo.wanadoo.fr] has left #ubuntu-motu [] === mohammad [n=mohammad@CPE080046dc2143-CM0011aea585d0.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:44] xtknight, assuming it gets accepted to the archive before Aug 30th, it will be in gutsy [02:45] ahh [02:45] xtknight, i'll look it over right now [02:45] ScottK: are you here? [02:45] eh? you dont have to. i found his debs here meanwhile http://ubuntu.davromaniak.eu/dists/gutsy-depomaniak/all/ [02:46] it would be nice if it were in gutsy universe but no hurry [02:47] i know this is an odd question but is there a way to install a downloaded deb where it will install the Depends from the repositories? (understanded that this is poor practice) [02:50] I was told by vil that http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=75 needs to be reviewed by someone knowledgeable in licensing issues. would someone please take a look? === Paddy_EIRE [n=patrick@89.240.243.205] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ceros [n=user@c-76-111-84-156.hsd1.va.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:55] i have a new version of ccontrol ready for upload to debian, awaiting sponsorship. i know it's getting late in the gutsy release cycle, would anyone be interested in grabbing the package now for ubuntu? It fixes a "fails to run at all" bug, bug #109157. Source is at http://lazypants.org/~ted/debian/pool/main/c/ccontrol/ccontrol_0.9.1+20060806-4.dsc [02:55] Launchpad bug 109157 in ccontrol "ccontrol SEGVs on startup" [Undecided,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/109157 [02:56] superm1, well i d/l his dsc, dpkg-source -x/debuild -us -uc and i can confirm the program runs fine on amd64. so that's good news. am i qualified to comment on his revu? [02:56] xtknight: If on the console, you could install the deb with sudo dpkg -i, and then run sudo apt-get -f install to install its deps. [02:56] TheMuso, ahh that's a good idea [02:57] xtknight, only MOTU can comment on revu, and i just tested it pbuilder, and found some problems, but it should build as is currently [02:57] actually i am having some issues with the program now (some dependencies like hugin's image stack are not satisfied) [02:58] what should the avg user do if he finds a problem with a REVU pkg? just email the author? [02:58] im adventurous just not motu yet :) [03:00] RAOF: My if line won't help with "make[1] : *** No rule to make target `distclean'. Stop." [03:02] StevenK: Hm. Doesn't that error get spat out if Makefile doesn't exist, as well as if there's no distclean target? [03:02] Or is it a slightly different error in that case :/ [03:03] Hrm, maybe you're right. [03:03] i would think it to still work [03:04] xtknight, if you see an issue with the package, if the author is on IRC, go ahead and let them know here. === robitaille_ [n=robitail@ubuntu/member/robitaille] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:05] superm1: Let me grab gtkglextmm and I'll see what I get in my sbuild setup. === asac_ [n=asac@debian/developer/asac] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:13] TheMuso: i always thought it was irc.gimp.net === beuno [n=beuno@201-213-91-212.net.prima.net.ar] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:13] RAOF: Well never mind, I am back on. [03:15] TheMuso: Um, what was that in reference to? [03:15] RAOF: I couldn't connect for a while. I got dumped off. [03:21] superm1: Its building for me. [03:21] TheMuso, so pbuilder only issue then? [03:21] superm1: Dunno. I guess it failed right at the start for you? [03:21] TheMuso, yes [03:21] as in, didn't configure, and build? [03:21] not at all [03:22] hmm well I dunno. [03:22] I could set up pbuilder and have a look. === mrigns [n=mrigns@unaffiliated/mrigns] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:25] superm1: Successfully built. [03:25] TheMuso, hm what to make of that i wonder. [03:26] ...and this on an arch thats not officially supported any more. [03:26] TheMuso: Under pbuilder, or sbuild? [03:26] StevenK: sbuild === atlas95 [n=atlas@84.5.38.248] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:32] TheMuso, after adding that if block to check for the Makefile, it works in pbuilder [03:32] so i would say the poster just needs to make that change and things will be fine [03:36] Right. === javier_galicia [n=Javier@189.130.233.106] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Knightlust [n=dax@ubuntu/member/knightlust] has joined #ubuntu-motu === robitaille__ [n=robitail@CPE0015e912c1eb-CM0014045c0ef6.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === anibal [n=anibal@debian/developer/anibal] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:06] ./` ... and I hate every thing about you ... ./` [04:06] ajmitch: get some work done :) /me ducks === superm1 [n=superm1@ubuntu/member/superm1] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:12] I am here (sort of) while doing $WORK. If I can answer questions, feel free to ping me. I'll answer if I can. [04:12] Also, if some MOTU could look into "[20:50] I was told by vil that http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=75 needs to be reviewed by someone knowledgeable in licensing issues. would someone please take a look?", I'd appreciate it. [04:13] imbrandon: ? [04:13] I'll probably look it over later if I don't pass out before the work is done. [04:13] imbrandon, ? [04:13] ajmitch: nothing was just looking at lastfm rss's [04:13] superm1: ? [04:14] imbrandon, what happened a week ago? [04:14] imbrandon: that's what I suspected, but the "14:06 < imbrandon> ajmitch: get some work done :) /me ducks" was puzzling :) [04:14] bad joke after long hours at the keyboard ;) === ScottK2 [n=kitterma@ubuntu/member/scottk] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:15] you need mt dew [04:15] yes, yes i do === ScottK2 is actually making coffee at ~10:15 PM. It's going to be that kind of night. === ScottK [n=ScottK@ubuntu/member/scottk] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:32] What does debian/compat refer to again? (/me is wondering why a newer version of something is using a lower number) [04:34] Also need to know or look up the Standards-Version field. [04:35] debian/compat is the debhelper version you are using. [04:36] Currently is should be 5 and your package should build-dep on dephelper 5 or higher. [04:36] Current standards version is 3.7.2. [04:36] Hmm. I wonder why he built with debhelper 4. [04:36] Oh - I know. He's using Dapper. :P === tonyyarusso modifies === RAOF patches revu-build to talk sbuilder [04:43] ScottK: In copyright, I had used Upstream Author:, while the guy I'm working with's file has Copyright Holder: - which is more appropriate, or does it matter? [04:44] tonyyarusso: I'd look in the Debian New Maintainer's Guide and see which they have. I'd guess Copyright holder, but I'm not certain. === mayeco [n=mayeco@200.75.192.12] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:47] ScottK: Ah, both, apparently, in the form Upstream Author: name , Copyright $year name [04:48] ScottK: However, as is the case with a lot of free software, there are components written by dozens of people. Do you only cite the primary copyright holder of the most recent additions? [04:48] It depends. [04:49] I do is grep -ir copyright * and include anyone except for makefiles and translations. [04:49] I went through and made a full list at one point, it's it's about half a screen long. [04:50] (with commas, not a separate line for each even) [04:52] Additionally, the package in question is tri-licensed. I assume I should have preambles for GPL and LGPL, and full text for Mozilla, not just one? [04:55] choice of "GPL or LGPL" is a no-op, anyway [04:55] just leave out the GPL [04:55] ah, lol === DARKGuy [i=lmao@201.208.203.161] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:55] I think he was redoing it as Mozilla anyway, but was listed tri for some crazy reason. [04:56] the text of the LGPL specifies that one has the option of upgrading to GPL, anyway [04:56] Hey guys, if I register and all and submit a package for Gutsy's Universe, will I be able to update it later throughough time, or only bugfixes ? [04:56] so GPL has no force on anything with LGPL attached [05:00] anybody? [05:00] DARKGuy: generally bugfixes afaik, but IANAMOTU [05:02] tonyyarusso: Hm... I see, it's that I'm making a game with a team and we're hopefully gonna submit it to MOTU soon... but if we go from Alpha to Beta and then Final, and only bugfixes are allowed I don't think we'll stand a chance... right? [05:03] DARKGuy: Doubt it. You'll probably want to post the revisions in a PPA and get on gutsy+1 for that. [05:03] tonyyarusso: forgive my ignorance, what's a PPA? [05:04] DARKGuy: Personal Package Archive. New Launchpad feature. [05:04] (lets you do a repo for your stuff through LP) [05:05] I see, thanks a lot :) [05:06] sn9: The point of tri licensing is that someone who chooses to distribute it under any or all of the licenses, so it's important to presever all the licenses unless there is a reason to drop one. [05:06] "all of the licenses" cannot apply when MPL is involved [05:07] "any of the licenses" is meaningless when LGPL is with GPL [05:07] so, it's not even tri-licensing in this case [05:07] Sure it can. [05:07] If you fork the code, you can license your fork GPL only. [05:08] GPL and MPL are mutually exclusive; they cannot apply at the same time [05:08] Why not? [05:09] Acutally, yes. [05:09] They cannot apply at the same time, but you can choose which one you want to use in a given circumstance. [05:09] right [05:09] that's "any" not "all" [05:09] OK. [05:10] in which case, LGPL renders GPL meaningless [05:10] So by carrying forward the tri license, you preserve what the author wanted . [05:10] you still preserve that by dropping GPL === zachy [i=zakame@ubuntu/member/zakame] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:10] Yes, but by leaving them in, if someone wanted to do a GPL only fork, they could. [05:11] the terms of the LGPL alreafy guarantee that [05:11] *already === zachy is now known as zakame [05:20] Is REVU at the same URL with the new machine and all, or something different? [05:21] same url, different machine [05:21] not in the canonical DC [05:22] kk === DARKGuy [i=lmao@201.208.203.161] has left #ubuntu-motu [] === macd [n=d@cl-151.ewr-01.us.sixxs.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === alex-weej [n=alex@cpc2-darl3-0-0-cust237.midd.cable.ntl.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ScottLij [n=scott@24-180-196-49.dhcp.aldl.mi.charter.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === calc [n=ccheney@conr-adsl-209-169-124-200.consolidated.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Paddy_EIRE [n=patrick@89.240.243.205] has joined #ubuntu-motu === mohammad [n=mohammad@CPE080046dc2143-CM0011aea585d0.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === No1Viking [n=micke@h-83-140-104-41.auto.rp80.se] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:26] I was told by vil (Vladimr) that http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=75 needs to be reviewed by someone knowledgeable in licensing issues. would someone please take a look? [06:27] Hello mohammad. [06:27] I'm here now. [06:27] Hello ScottK [06:27] I'm not reviewing right now. Doing $WORK, but hope to be able to look at it soon. [06:30] ScottK: OK thank you. vil told me that he is fine with the package. But he is not sure about the licensing (whether it is possible to put the translations in multiverse). [06:32] Well zekr is in multiverse because of one of the dependencies. I will try to look at it soon. I'm reasonably knowlegeable on the licensing stuff. [06:35] this is why debian came up with "contrib" [06:36] sn9: What do you mean? [06:37] "Well zekr is in multiverse because of one of the dependencies." === Simon80 [n=Simon80@CPE00e098558963-CM000a7363ecf6.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:39] sn9: you mean Zekr also can be put in contrib for Debian? [06:39] Not sure how that relates to contrib. I think in Debian it would have to go in non-free. [06:40] non-free is only for stuff that does not meet dfsg [06:40] if it meets dfsg, but a dependency doesn't, it goes in contrib [06:40] sn9: What about stuff that meets dfsg, but depends on non-dfsg packages? [06:40] Ah. [06:40] also applies to build-dep's [06:41] In that case, then zekr probably could go in contrib. [06:41] that's what contrib is all about [06:41] As originally distributed, it wasn't free, but mohammad got the upstream to change stuff and do a new release. === superm1_ [n=superm1@ubuntu/member/superm1] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:55] ok thank you, see you later. [06:55] Could someone explain the following lintian error to me? "E: kompozer source: outdated-autotools-helper-file mozilla/build/autoconf/config.guess 2003-02-22" [06:55] Additionally, I have a few like "W: kompozer source: configure-generated-file-in-source mozilla/nsprpub/config.status" - would I be correct in thinking these just need some sort of removal line in 'rules'? [06:59] StevenK: Since python-central is a Debian native package (and Debian revisions don't need an exception), does it really need a UVFe? === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@CPE-124-188-230-54.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-motu === calc [n=ccheney@conr-adsl-209-169-124-200.consolidated.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === tonyyarusso is getting very very close to a fully OK KompoZer - will likely have on on REVU passing lintian and linda tomorrow sometime. [07:02] (but needs teensy bits of help yet :P ) === Knightlust [n=dax@ubuntu/member/knightlust] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:04] woo! [07:04] hello Hobbsee [07:05] Hobbsee: Can you explain the following lintian error to me by any chance? "E: kompozer source: outdated-autotools-helper-file mozilla/build/autoconf/config.guess 2003-02-22" [07:06] hi ajmitch [07:06] mmm...autohell [07:06] ajmitch: can explain that one === tonyyarusso smiles sweetly at ajmitch === caravena [n=caravena@pc-84-203-83-200.cm.vtr.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:07] tonyyarusso: YOu need to use the config.{guess,sub} files from the autotools-dev package [07:08] or just rerun autohell, presumably [07:08] Basically to ensure these files are current. [07:08] Many packages in the archive do this. [07:08] If a package depends on autotools-dev, chances are thats what its for. [07:09] TheMuso: I'm not sure I really understand (I'm doing the debian/ dir, but didn't write any of the mozilla/ stuff) === ajmitch isn't here [07:09] :) [07:09] ajmitch: lying. *gives penalty card* === ajmitch mutters [07:10] lol [07:10] *gives penalty card for muttering* === poningru [n=poningru@ip72-209-65-174.ga.at.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:12] tonyyarusso: As I said, many packages replace configure.sub and configure.guess with ones from autotools-dev. I can't think of any from the top of my head now, but have a look around to see what they do [07:12] thats what the lintian warning sounds like to me anywa [07:12] Hm. For fakesyncs is it OK for a 4.35-0ubuntu1 changelog entry to be above a 4.35-1 entry? [07:12] TheMuso: I don't even know what those two files are for or from at this point [07:13] tonyyarusso: They are for use with the configure script. [07:13] hmm, that might make sense [07:13] Hobbsee: hehe I like your response to RAOF's application. [07:14] TheMuso: :D [07:15] RAOF: i doubt it matters. i usually use 4.35-1ubuntu1 for the fakesync'd version [07:15] TheMuso: Presumably autotools-dev would just be in the build-depends, not regular? Or should it be the depends of the associated -dev package? [07:15] tonyyarusso: build-deps. [07:16] kk [07:16] As the files you are copying are only ever used for building the package. [07:16] And as far as what portions of the code would need to be modified to use that, is it debian/rules, configure scripts, both, or anything else, so I can point Kaze in the right direction? [07:17] Hobbsee: Ta. === StevenK sends his mail as well. [07:19] StevenK: make sure you -25. [07:19] Heh [07:20] I didn't. :-) [07:22] for lateness, of course [07:23] tonyyarusso: debian/rules needs to have code in it to take copies of the files from autotools-dev during the clean target, I think thats when its done. [07:23] Haven't done it for a while. [07:23] TheMuso: That's a start anyway, thanks. === caravena [n=caravena@pc-84-203-83-200.cm.vtr.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === atlas95 [n=atlas@AVelizy-153-1-47-167.w81-249.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-motu === minghua [n=minghua@ubuntu/member/minghua] has joined #ubuntu-motu === thekorn [n=thekorn@a89-182-18-144.net-htp.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ScottK [n=ScottK@ubuntu/member/scottk] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ..[topic/#ubuntu-motu:ScottK] : Ubuntu Masters of the Universe: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU | Want to get involved with the MOTUs? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Contributing | http://ubuntu.joejaxx.org/ - TOP 10 Uploaders/Packages | REVU is back up on a new box at the same url. | Gutsy new package freeze is 30 August === jml [n=jml@ppp121-44-221-92.lns1.hba1.internode.on.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:45] Is there any reason to give preference to one or the other naming scheme in debian/kompozer.dirs vs just debian/dirs, and other like files, or should it merely be consistent? (or not matter at all) [07:46] oh wow, that soon. [07:46] Hobbsee: Hence me staying up late trying to poke knowledgable folks ;) [07:47] That way I can shoot off an e-mail to Kaze with the remaining changes tonight, have him implement them in SVN in a few hours, review, rebuild, and get something on REVU before tomorrow night. [07:48] tonyyarusso: How many binary packages does your source package make? [07:48] ScottK: 2. kompozer and kompozer-dev. [07:49] Then I believe you want kompozer.dirs for dirs needed in the kompozer package and kompozer-dev.dirs for the other (Although I'm not 100% sure on that). [07:50] .dirs, or .install's? [07:50] ScottK: That sounds right to me. Although, I find it curious that currently the file only includes /usr/bin... [07:50] Hobbsee: .dirs === superm1_ [n=superm1@ubuntu/member/superm1] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:50] hmmm [07:51] Does anything get installed to /usr/bin? [07:51] Of course, the /usr/bin/kompozer binary. [07:51] I wonder if the upstream Makefile would mkdir it. [07:52] I thought there would be more in there though, but perhaps that's what .install means (I'm not entirely clear on these two files) [07:52] .dirs is read by dh_installdirs and makes directories, .install is read by dh_install and copies stuff around. [07:53] But, /usr/bin of course is going to exist, so why must it be made? === jussi01 [n=jussi@oul088-gw3.netplaza.fi] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:54] StevenK: oh, point [07:54] At least someone understood that :S [07:55] tonyyarusso: Makes directories underneath the package install directory. [07:56] StevenK: ooh. [07:56] tonyyarusso: So $(CURDIR)/debian/kompozer/usr/bin [07:56] like a chroot kind of thing [07:57] Hmmm, anyone seen persia lately?? [07:58] jussi01: He's been busy with $WORK recently. He responds to e-mail althougth not always immediately. [07:58] he got stuck with $realwork [07:58] hehe, ok then [07:58] I don't think you need .dir files if you use debhelper and have .install files. [07:59] For packages using debhelper, .dir is only necessary if you want to install an empty directory. === zakame [i=zakame@ubuntu/member/zakame] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:59] ok [08:00] That sounds right for the way it is then. === khermans [i=khermans@nat/cisco/x-ad6895ee62c33a4f] has joined #ubuntu-motu === viviersf [n=cain@gw.impilinux.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-motu === asac_ [n=asac@debian/developer/asac] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:07] man-di: If you are around, http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=75 has a Java related question it'd be nice if you could have a look at. Thanks. [08:08] First mock-review done: telepathy-mission-control. [08:08] StevenK: :D @ the mail === RAOF objects. There's nothing at all crack-addled about xserver-xgl :P [08:10] sure sure [08:10] it's shiny === pygi [n=mario@131-44.dsl.iskon.hr] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:10] And clean, and new! [08:10] and is a git snapshot : ( === mario_ [n=mario@131-44.dsl.iskon.hr] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:11] Hobbsee: :-D [08:12] Wow. Revu comments get added to the URL. Crazy. [08:13] what are you guys talking about? [08:13] git-snapshot-xgl? My MOTU application? telepathy-mission-control? [08:14] The fact that nvidia-glx-new kills WoW? [08:14] How does nvidia-glx-new kill WoW? [08:15] Wow segfaults on startup for me, with nvidia-glx-new. [08:15] nvidia-glx works fine. Huzzah for new-legacy! [08:15] What's the name of the tool for giving a timestamp in the format needed for debian/changelog? [08:15] dch? [08:16] erm, no - just the one that prints a date string [08:16] Ah - 822-date. [08:20] Amaranth: someone's emailing the MOTU ML about your crack, please deal with it. === Amaranth isn't even on that ml [08:21] Amaranth: heh [08:22] ah, that [08:22] hello PPA bugs [08:22] yeah === ScottK may just have predicted PPA bugs would be an issue. === atnan [n=nathan@mail2.tilefile.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Zic [n=Zic@Final-Fantasy.FF-IRC.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:26] _something_ is different between what PPA says it has and what dpkg says it has so apt wants to get the PPA version [08:26] Howdy folks. Is this the right place to ask a quick question about dpkg-buildpackage? [08:26] then dpkg 'fixes' it [08:27] and we start all over [08:27] been looking for mvo so me, him, and cprov can point fingers at each other until someone figures out what the problem is :) [08:27] Amaranth: i'd suggest an epoch, but i wouldnt like to be shot. [08:27] Amaranth, mvo was on vacation [08:27] oh, mvo just got on [08:27] Amaranth: as in, yours would always overrule the ones in the repository [08:27] Hobbsee: eh? [08:27] but it wouldnt be wise [08:27] no no [08:28] Amaranth: oh, wait, i see now. [08:28] Hobbsee: you get the version from the PPA and dpkg changes the broken bit so they're different again [08:28] yep [08:28] the original problem was the index saying Priority: Optional [08:28] that's fixed, now something else is broken === minghua reads a Chinese blog post commenting on Hobbsee's bug triaging work. :-) [08:30] minghua: ...what??? [08:31] way cool! [08:32] Hobbsee: A Chinese Ubuntu user reported a bug, you closed it as "Won't Fix", he wrote a blog post about the experience. [08:32] Hobbsee: http://c9s.blogspot.com/2007/08/firebug.html # if you are really curious [08:32] minghua: as in, happy about it, or not happy about it? [08:32] oh, that bug. === Hobbsee remembers writing that bug [08:33] Hobbsee: Happy about the quick response, but still confused about where the problem exactly is, yet content with the workaround you recommended. [08:33] minghua: right. [08:34] minghua: well, based on the fact that it happens in all linux applications without using something like klipper or glipper, and all windows applications, (unsure about mac)... === Hobbsee would have thought that it was a reasonably known fact [08:35] minghua: does it say which bug number? === Hobbsee doesnt still have it [08:35] Hobbsee: No. [08:35] ah ok === jussi01 reminds Hobbsee not to ass-u-me [08:35] oh, found it [08:36] jussi01: it's the equivalent of asking "why do right click and middle click do different things on linux" or something === jussi01 hugs Hobbsee === Hobbsee hugs jussi01 === RAOF wonders why telepathy-salut gets an md5 mismatch on the orig.tar.gz :/ === jussi01 goes back to work, or the boss will get grumpy... === RAOF also tries to avoid doing tons of marking. [08:37] jussi01: all the time? [08:37] or just between ubuntu and debian? [08:38] er, raf [08:38] er, RAOF [08:38] lol === LongPointyStick [n=mystery@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:41] Hobbsee: Uuuuum. You mean... what exactly? :) [08:41] RAOF: the md5sum === Hobbsee leaves it for someone else to answer, if it was a serious question [08:42] Ah. No. Package on revu, grabbing the orig.tar.gz from debian/watch, there's an md5 sum mismatch between that recorded in the .dsc and upstream's tarball. [08:43] ...interesting === sahin_w [n=KT@210.216.53.194] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:45] Hobbsee: Yeah, indeed. bigiron, I think is the guy's irc nick. I'll ping him next time I see him. [08:45] RAOF: it's a .tar.gz presumably? === ScottK has $WORK done for the day, so I'm going to bed. [08:45] Good night all. [08:45] Hobbsee: Yes [08:45] ScottK: Night [08:45] night ScottK [08:50] Anybody have access to an amd64 box to test-build a package for me? [08:50] tonyyarusso, why dont you use qemu-pbuilder? [08:50] % uname -m [08:50] x86_64 [08:50] tonyyarusso: ^ [08:50] pygi: Err, a) it's late and I've never tried it, b) seems resource-intensive [08:50] StevenK: Great - a sec while I upload it for you. [08:52] StevenK: How much do you need again? The orig.tar.gz, dsc, diff.gz, and changes? === pygi thinks no need for changes [08:53] tonyyarusso: Only the first three [08:53] kk [08:53] I was right, whee :) [08:56] StevenK: If it builds successfully, I have two other things I would also like you to check if you have a GUI: a) Does it run?, b) Under Help > {Forums, Bug reports and suggestions, Support KompoZer, KompoZer's web site}, do any of those menu options successfully open the mentioned links in an external application? === CrummyGummy [n=CrummyGu@dsl-244-246-102.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:57] tonyyarusso: You *still* have the option of a shell account on an AMD64 box :) [08:57] RAOF: Yes, and thank you - but I may have to go to sleep rather than actually babysit it tonight. [08:58] Heh. [08:59] (2AM, school in the morning) [09:01] tonyyarusso: I shall do so when I get home, which will be in about hour. === coNP [n=conp@ubuntu/member/coNP] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:01] tonyyarusso: And where is the link to the .dsc? :-) [09:02] StevenK: Fantastic. [09:02] (uploading...) [09:02] Ah, okay. :-) [09:02] lazly hmmm [09:02] Good morning [09:02]