[01:12] <Daviey> I do agree that we shoukd keep away from donations atm; but i don't think we should rule it out in the future
[01:14] <superm1> if you look at other similar projects, which ones actually have a donation system?
[01:14] <superm1> not a bounty system
[01:14] <superm1> but a donation system
[01:16] <Daviey> +1
[01:16] <tgm4883_laptop> http://www.mythdorawiki.com/wiki/index.php/MythDora:Site_support
[01:17] <tgm4883_laptop> other than it has been "added to"
[01:17] <tgm4883_laptop> there is a donation link at the bottom
[01:37] <tgm4883_laptop> How do you setup URL path setting in drupal?  Do some themes not have that?
[01:38] <superm1> um
[01:38] <superm1> you need to turn on the module
[01:40] <tgm4883_laptop> I didn't think i had to turn that on for my work site
[01:40] <tgm4883_laptop> thanks superm1
[01:40] <superm1> you shouldn't have had to
[01:40] <superm1> that's odd
[01:41] <tgm4883_laptop> theres a chance that I didn't know what it did and disabled it
[02:11] <superm1> Daviey, any luck with apt-mirror signing
[02:11] <superm1> figure it out?
[02:16] <superm1> tgm4883_laptop, you here?
[02:16] <superm1> digg this module, and what is the torrent one called?
[02:16] <superm1> i'll pop them in right now
[02:16] <tgm4883_laptop> yep
[02:17] <tgm4883_laptop> bittorrent :)
[02:19] <superm1> is there a new version of it
[02:19] <superm1> since you had issues?
[02:19] <superm1> or did you just mis-install it?
[02:20] <tgm4883_laptop> no, the issues I had were because I was using php4 instead of php5
[02:20] <superm1> ah okay
[02:20] <superm1> anything else to pop in
[02:20] <superm1> or just those two
[02:20] <tgm4883_laptop> i think just the two
[02:21] <tgm4883_laptop> cause we will have forums on ubuntu forums right?
[02:21] <superm1> Yes
[02:21] <tgm4883_laptop> ok
[02:21] <superm1> as of the release after this one
[02:21] <tgm4883_laptop> unless you want to make forms
[02:21] <superm1> i want to activate the forums at the same time as the beta
[02:21] <tgm4883_laptop> ah ok
[02:21] <tgm4883_laptop> so unless you want forms for any reason
[02:22] <superm1> na
[02:22] <superm1> what about the IRC
[02:22] <superm1> sort that out?
[02:22] <tgm4883_laptop> did we ever get ahold of jumpkick?
[02:22] <superm1> na he still hasn't popped in
[02:23] <tgm4883_laptop> ok, then it probably still doesn't work
[02:27] <superm1> tgm4883_laptop, okay they're both in
[02:30] <tgm4883_laptop> ok, you still have to activate them cause I don't think i have access to that
[02:33] <superm1> i did that too
[02:35] <tgm4883_laptop> Ok, so we should be setup
[02:36] <superm1> tgm4883_laptop, awesome
[02:54] <superm1> tgm4883_laptop, okay as for when we'll announce: as soon as new PPAs are announced, i
[02:55] <superm1> 'm going to build your mythstream package on a ppa
[02:55] <superm1> and the meta and control centre there
[02:55] <tgm4883_laptop> ah ok
[02:55] <superm1> since none of the three have cleared yet
[02:55] <superm1> but the ubiquity stuff cleared
[02:55] <superm1> and both our changes are in gutsy right now
[02:55] <tgm4883_laptop> when should .20.2 clear?
[02:55] <tgm4883_laptop> ok
[02:55] <superm1> it's cleared already
[02:55] <superm1> in gutsy
[02:55] <tgm4883_laptop> ah ok
[02:55] <tgm4883_laptop> what about feisty?
[02:56] <superm1> feisty, hm.  i dont know how long archive admins take to ack SRUs
[02:56] <superm1> keescook might know better than i
[02:56] <keescook> shouldn't be much more than a few days, I think.
[02:56] <keescook> probably be in -proposed by the end of monday
[02:58] <superm1> keescook, do you already have an edgy vm?
[02:58] <keescook> superm1: yup, I use one for testing security updates
[02:58] <superm1> let me dput the edgy sources somewhere then
[02:58] <superm1> and you can give those a spin
[02:59] <superm1> i haven't got the space on this laptop to setup another VM :)
[02:59] <keescook> superm1: cool, I'll get it running.  :)
[03:00] <superm1> keescook, i'm not gonna dput the .orig's, since my upstream bw is horrible.  they are the same ones used for the gutsy packages
[03:00] <keescook> superm1: okay, cool.
[03:02] <superm1> keescook, http://home.eng.iastate.edu/~superm1/sru/
[03:02] <superm1> all is stored there
[03:03] <keescook> cool, downloading and building now
[03:05] <frank23> what is the easiest way to get mythtv to work with schedulesdirect in ubuntu? I just signed up
[03:06] <superm1> frank23, new packages will be arriving this week on the feisty-proposed repository
[03:06] <superm1> they were submitted this weekend.  if you are on gutsy, the packages already support it
[03:06] <superm1> if your on edgy, they will be a little bit after the feisty packages arrive
[03:06] <frank23> ok. will they be in feisty-updates eventually too?
[03:06] <superm1> that's the plan
[03:06] <frank23> perfect
[03:07] <superm1> they need 7 days to clear -proposed
[03:07] <frank23> ok
[03:07] <keescook> From what I can tell, datadirect is still providing date past sept 1, so we'll have a few days of data overlap.
[03:08] <keescook> superm1: did you encounter any weird issues with channels, scheduling, or duplicates when you tested the switch-over?
[03:08] <superm1> Not at all
[03:08] <superm1> the only issue i had was something present with zap2it prior
[03:08] <superm1> my hidef channels weren't configured right since i dont get callsigns for some channels
[03:09] <superm1> you have to match the callsign and the channel number up perfectly
[03:09] <superm1> to get the data
[03:13] <keescook> weeee  Expires:  Sunday, December 02, 2007
[03:14] <superm1> haha.  you think you'll get data that long?
[03:14] <keescook> no, no, that's the SD account.  :)
[03:15] <superm1> ah i still haven't paid for mine
[03:15] <superm1> on the trial period right now
[03:15] <keescook> superm1: ooh! you got motu? awesome!
[03:15] <superm1> keescook, hehe you didn't realize?? :)
[03:15] <superm1> how you think i uploaded the sru?
[03:16] <keescook> I didn't see it happen, but have been (obviously) hoping for it.  :)  congratz!
[03:16] <tgm4883_laptop> aparently keescook doesn't frequent the test mythbuntu site
[03:16] <superm1> thanks!  i somehow get the feeling i inherited more responsibility than i bargained for, but i like it :)
[03:16] <keescook> hehe
[03:16] <dhr> I have mythtv on an Edgy and on a Feisty.  I need to use SD.  Do I take it that a normal update will get me a sufficiently fresh version on Feisty in a week (after clearing -proposed)?  How about Edgy?
[03:16] <keescook> I saw the mythbuntu-control-centre_0.1-0ubuntu1_source.changes is NEW email
[03:16] <keescook> and saw: signature from "Mario Limonciello <superm1@ubuntu.com>"
[03:17] <frank23> wow. I was thinking of finally setting up automatic backups of the mythtv database but when I checked the ubuntu wiki I found out that this is automatically done. ;-)
[03:17] <keescook> dhr: that's the goal.  do you have an edgy myth box?  we could use someone testing with a "real" system.  :)
[03:17] <superm1> frank23, you still might want to setup a cron job to copy them somewhere else
[03:17] <dhr> As I understand it, the database schema for myth have (has?) changed -- will the update work anyway?
[03:18] <frank23> superm1: that's right
[03:18] <superm1> dhr, yes, the update updates the scheme automatically
[03:18] <keescook> dhr: that's the expectation (but also the reason for needing some testing)
[03:18] <superm1> they are incremental updates
[03:19] <dhr> keescook: I could test but the edgy box is not the master.  The master is even odder: Fedora Core 5, no longer supported.  So I have the work on that myself.
[03:19] <keescook> yikes
[03:20] <dhr> One problem is that current (open source) X server for ATI does not support TV out. The Gatos patch for TV out works with old X.
[03:20] <superm1> dhr, i thought heard that patch was being merged into X?
[03:20] <superm1> is that not the case?
[03:21] <dhr> My understanding is that much of Gatos was merged but the TV out was too much of a hack.  In the last few weeks, the copyright on the TV out patch has been made suitable for merging but I don't think that the code has actually been improved or even updated to current X.
[03:22] <dhr> I think that there are no public specs for the TV out feature of the ATI card.
[03:23] <superm1> even the R200 cards?
[03:23] <dhr> Yes.  My cards are 9200 family.
[03:23] <superm1> considering ATI scrapped support on them, i'm surprised that there are no docs on the tv out features
[03:25] <dhr> I've also had nVidia problems.  I started with a 5200.  The nVidia closed souce drivers dropped support.  The latest version had a bug that TV out chopped the bottom ~30% of the picture.
[03:25] <superm1> yikes.  really getting the short end of the stick multiple times then
[03:44] <superm1> foxbuntu, u here?
[03:47] <dhr> keescook: I would be willing to test on edgy.  Nothing much to lose since the recorded programs are on a different machine.  Timing is unclear.  I might be able to test tonight, depending on luck installing the version I've built for the master (FC5).  Do you have a pointer to edgy .debs or test repo?  Would this cut me off from using the normal repos afterwards?
[03:48] <superm1> dhr, as soon as keescook acks that they work in his edgy vm, i'm going to push them to edgy-proposed
[03:48] <superm1> they should be available as soon as archive admins ack them
[03:48] <troy_s> superm1: Did you see the latest flip on the log?
[03:48] <troy_s> superm1: logo.
[03:48] <superm1> troy_s, no?
[03:48] <troy_s> hrm...
[03:49] <superm1> i haven't read all of IRC scrollback though between you and foxbuntu
[03:49] <superm1> been focused mainly on these SRUs and a few other items
[03:50] <dhr> superm1: can I enable just myth stuff from -proposed or do I get everything?  I guess I have to use synaptic or apt-get to be selective.
[03:50] <troy_s> superm1: There isn't much IRC between myself and him.  Lol.
[03:50] <superm1> dhr, i dont anticipate much else is sitting in proposed, but by turning it on, you do get everything
[03:50] <superm1> you can be selective via apt-get or synaptic however
[03:52] <dhr> OK.  Glad to see progress on this is being made before the clock runs out!
[03:54] <superm1> it's going to be close for actually making it into edgy-updates and feisty-updates since it takes 7 days to clear -proposed, but anyone who needs to will be able to enable -propsed by the deadline
[04:07] <tgm4883_laptop> imbrandon is over talking in the ubuntu-motu forums if anyone wants to talk with him
[04:12] <tgm4883_laptop> superm1, imbrandon alive in the ubuntu-motu 6 minutes ago
[04:12] <superm1> tgm4883_laptop, really...
[04:13] <tgm4883_laptop> yeep
[04:18] <tgm4883_laptop> did he just ignore you?
[04:18] <superm1> didn't msg me or anything so i would have to say yes
[04:19] <rhpot1991> anyone have any idea why deinterlacing gives me a "shaky" picture when overscaning?
[04:19] <tgm4883_laptop> wtf
[04:19] <tgm4883_laptop> well im really glad we rebuilt the page now
[04:19] <superm1> me too
[04:21] <superm1> haha
[04:21] <superm1> well i invited him to come join here.
[04:44] <dhr> superm1: how do I add -propsed?  do I add something to this line in /etc/sources.list: deb http://ca.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ edgy-updates main restricted multiverse universe
[04:45] <superm1> just switch the words updates to proposed in that line
[04:46] <dhr> Thanks.  So does that mean that normal updates will be suppressed?
[04:46] <dhr> No problem since I will switch back rather soon.
[04:46] <superm1> well you can have both lines
[04:46] <superm1> with updates and proposed
[04:46] <superm1> in your sources.list
[04:47] <dhr> OK
[05:15] <tgm4883> bendailey, whats up
[05:16] <tgm4883> superm1, whats up
[05:16] <superm1> hey bendailey
[05:16] <superm1> hey tgm4883
[05:16] <superm1> :)
[05:17] <tgm4883> I remember you saying you needed him to update the dns
[05:17] <tgm4883> or something to that effect
[05:17] <foxbuntu> superm1, you in on donanting to the server HDD fund for our new mirror I am working on?
[05:18] <foxbuntu> tgm4883 already has
[05:18] <superm1> well Daviey and i need to sort out how we are naming things
[05:18] <superm1> everything will be at atrpms for the moment
[05:18] <tgm4883> lol, foxbuntu is using peer presure
[05:18] <superm1> but i need to set up apt-mirror first
[05:18] <superm1> foxbuntu, No.
[05:18] <foxbuntu> No?
[05:19] <superm1> remember my stance, i'll give money or time towards the project but not both :)
[05:19] <foxbuntu> lol
[05:19] <foxbuntu> comn...$25
[05:19] <foxbuntu> :)
[05:19] <tgm4883> nah foxbuntu, thats a fair stance
[05:19] <foxbuntu> and then you can be a bronze member
[05:19] <foxbuntu> lol...I know
[05:20] <superm1> foxbuntu, i give enough time towards all of this :)
[05:20] <foxbuntu> superm1, you Know I have to bust you
[05:20] <foxbuntu> just gotta pick on you some
[05:20] <tgm4883> superm1 doesn't give enough time, he was signed off for almost an hour today :)
[05:20] <foxbuntu> lol
[05:21] <superm1> i had two routers die on me today, a cat5, and my mediacom dns servers dont work anymore....
[05:21] <dhr> I'm looking in http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/edgy-proposed/multiverse/binary-i386/Packages.gz and the MythTV things seem older than .20.2.  That is where the new version will show up, right?
[05:21] <superm1> not exactly fair.
[05:21] <superm1> dhr, Yes.  that's where they will show up
[05:24] <foxbuntu> superm1, holy crap my desktop just showed back up
[05:24] <foxbuntu> sweet
[05:26] <foxbuntu> tgm4883, I could give you some space for that when we get our DC server online...since you donated to the project and all
[05:26] <foxbuntu> :)
[05:26] <tgm4883> since im a bronze member ?
[05:26] <foxbuntu> yea
[05:26] <tgm4883> lol
[05:26] <tgm4883> i'll just back it up to my local fileserver
[05:26] <tgm4883> if my apartment burns down, then i have bigger things to worry about
[05:26] <foxbuntu> lol
[05:27] <tgm4883> after all, I have many computers to save and only 2 hands
[05:27] <superm1> keescook, any luck with those edgy packages this evening or no?
[05:27] <foxbuntu> tgm4883, I know that feeling
[05:29] <superm1> tgm4883, ^
[05:30] <tgm4883> yea
[05:30] <tgm4883> jumpkick, whats up man
[05:30] <tgm4883> superm1, can you load that irc thing back on there so we can troubleshoot it?
[05:30] <superm1> tgm4883, i dont recall what i loaded before
[05:31] <superm1> cgiirc was it?
[05:31] <tgm4883> cgiirc
[05:31] <tgm4883> yep
[05:31] <tgm4883> or cgi:irc
[05:31] <superm1> well jumpkick can you comment towards setting up cgi:irc on there?
[05:34] <tgm4883> :( jumpkick is away
[05:35] <jumpkick> hi
[05:35] <tgm4883> hi
[05:35] <jumpkick> cgi-irc was painful last time I tried to set it up
[05:35] <tgm4883> :(
[05:36] <jumpkick> it's easy to set-up but somewhat brutal how it works I mean
[05:36] <jumpkick> keeps connections open all the time
[05:36] <tgm4883> we get no connection or something to that effect
[05:36] <tgm4883> is there a different IRC client we can run from the website?
[05:36] <jumpkick> you can run java plug-ins
[05:36] <jumpkick> or maybe flash
[05:37] <bendailey> hello superm1
[05:37] <bendailey> hello tgm4883
[05:38] <bendailey> any need for DNS changes or additions yet?
[05:38] <superm1> hi bendailey.  very soon this week i'll have a change to make
[05:38] <superm1> i'll mail you with the info on it
[05:39] <bendailey> great, I will get it done asap
[05:39] <tgm4883> jumpkick, i'll check into something java based I guess, any recomendations?
[05:39] <jumpkick> I'll look around
[05:41] <superm1> bendailey, still need to finalize a few items, so the mail won't come until mid week
[05:41] <tgm4883> :( I have the worst time with java apps on my setup
[05:42] <tgm4883> what about php:irc?
[05:43] <bendailey> superm1, I will just wait on your email then
[05:43] <superm1> k :)
[05:43] <bendailey> superm1, have you come up with a host for mail?
[05:44] <superm1> bendailey, foxbuntu was going to be the MX, but i dont know when he will have the box up
[05:44] <superm1> bendailey, do you have somewhere we could use as an MX (maybe just forwarding to existing addy for now)?
[05:44] <superm1> and what happened with your deal with your ISP/
[05:44] <superm1> as for mirroring images and such
[05:45] <bendailey> I forgot to ask
[05:45] <foxbuntu> superm1, I need to work out the final details and get some parts ordered but hopefully that box will be live soon
[05:45] <bendailey> foxbuntu, feel free to shoot me an email with mx details for you can pass them along through superm1
[05:46] <foxbuntu> bendailey, sounds good
[05:46] <bendailey> superm1, I will get in touch with my ISP contact tomorrow or Tuesday
[05:46] <superm1> okay great
[05:47] <superm1> bendailey, we're looking to do alpha 4 sometime this week
[05:47] <superm1> so if this turns up soon, that can work out well
[05:47] <bendailey> ok I will see what I can get pushed through
[05:48] <bendailey> what kind of traffic have you been seeing on the current mirrors/servers?
[05:48] <superm1> bendailey, the only remaining mirror for cd images is at polorix.net
[05:49] <superm1> i'm not sure how much has been going through on it
[05:49] <superm1> i'll mail my contact there and find out
[05:50] <bendailey> ok it would be good if I could at least give them a heads up on the traffic flow
[05:50] <bendailey> have you decided on push/pull for images? foxbuntu
[05:50] <superm1> bendailey, just shot a mail to him, as soon as i get a response i'll let you know
[05:51] <bendailey> superm1, thanks
[05:51] <foxbuntu> bendailey, what do you mean push/pull?
[05:52] <tgm4883> superm1, can you test this
[05:52] <tgm4883> http://mythbuntu.weilandhomes.com/pjirc/NormalApplet.html
[05:52] <bendailey> foxbuntu, are you going to be the one dealing the getting the images to mirrors or am I confused?
[05:52] <tgm4883> java doesn't work on my system
[05:53] <jumpkick> tgm4883, that one looks pretty good to me
[05:53] <tgm4883> jumpkick, did you test it?  I can't
[05:53] <foxbuntu> bendailey, I hadn't been told that...but I suppose I could be
[05:53] <jumpkick> tgm4883, I opened it
[05:53] <tgm4883> ah ok
[05:53] <jumpkick> you have an error in your config
[05:54] <tgm4883> yea?
[05:54] <jumpkick> Anonymous Erroneous Nickname
[05:54] <jumpkick> Error : Closing Link: 127.0.0.1 (Connection Timed Out)
[05:54] <jumpkick> Disconnected from irc.freenode.net
[05:54] <tgm4883> i only changed one thing
[05:54] <jumpkick> maybe it doesn't like the nick
[05:54] <tgm4883> ah, you can't be anonymous?
[05:54] <tgm4883> sec
[05:54] <superm1> eh doesnt work for me either
[05:54] <jumpkick> superm1: doesn't load or doesn't login?
[05:54] <superm1> loads
[05:55] <superm1> but wont login
[05:55] <tgm4883> ok, reload and try again
[05:55] <jumpkick> tgm4883, connected...   status "Superm2"
[05:55] <tgm4883> nice
[05:56] <tgm4883> that what the nick i put in
[05:56] <bendailey> foxbuntu, how ever you, superm1, etc want to deal with mirror distribution I should be able to make a go either way
[05:56] <Superm2> tgm4883, this is from the java client
[05:56] <Anon693> it didn't auto join the channel though
[05:56] <tgm4883> well, i'm looking for how to make it auto join
[05:56] <tgm4883> as that wasn't in the default config
[05:56] <tgm4883> but this should* work from a drupal node right?
[05:57] <jumpkick> yeah should be fine
[05:59] <tgm4883> ok, one more, try it again
[05:59] <foxbuntu> bendailey, not a problem...I was thinking of just setting up a single link to something like images.mythbuntu.org and creating DNS records for each mirror using CNAMES and then using round robin to split the load
[05:59] <foxbuntu> and then just build on one and use a script to push it out to all the others
[05:59] <superm1> foxbuntu, the problem with doign that, some of the mirrors really are inconvenient for some users
[05:59] <superm1> say Daviey's mirror
[05:59] <superm1> in the uk
[05:59] <foxbuntu> superm1, indeed
[06:00] <tgm4883> killall superm2
[06:00] <tgm4883> nope
[06:00] <foxbuntu> lol
[06:01] <bendailey> foxbuntu, does drupal have sourceforge like functionality for file distribution random mirror based on location for set preferred mirror?
[06:01] <tgm4883> superm1, jumpkick, can you two try it one more time?  I should have it setup to auto join the channel
[06:01] <Superm2> yup sec
[06:01] <Superm2> reloading now
[06:02] <foxbuntu> OMG
[06:02] <superm1> "Mythbuntu nickname is already in use"
[06:02] <foxbuntu> MYTHBUNTU IS HERE!
[06:02] <tgm4883> hmm
[06:02] <foxbuntu> lol
[06:02] <Mythbuntu> tgm4883: doesn't auto connect
[06:02] <tgm4883> hmm
[06:02] <Mythbuntu> perhaps you should change it to something like mythbuntu-guest
[06:02] <tgm4883> maybe it doesn't need the # in front of it
[06:02] <superm1> well maybe better to be mythbuntu-guestXXX
[06:02] <tgm4883> sec
[06:02] <superm1> where it gets random numbers
[06:03] <tgm4883> it is set like that, or at least I thought it was
[06:03] <Mythbuntu> this window is kind of small
[06:03] <superm1> and ugly
[06:03] <Mythbuntu> the ugly I don't mind
[06:03] <tgm4883> ok, try again
[06:03] <Mythbuntu> k
[06:04] <Mythbuntu864> Still didn't autojoin
[06:04] <tgm4883> but you got a random number :)
[06:04] <Mythbuntu864> but at least got the random client name
[06:04] <jumpkick> oops my firefox crashed
[06:04] <jumpkick> too much java... haha
[06:06] <tgm4883> Ok
[06:06] <tgm4883> I really think it will work this time
[06:06] <Mythbuntu413> <param name="command1" value="join #mythbuntu">
[06:07] <Mythbuntu413> tgm4883: you need that ^^^^
[06:07] <tgm4883> I just added that
[06:07] <superm1> worked for me
[06:07] <tgm4883> sorta
[06:07] <superm1> i autojoined
[06:07] <Mythbuntu413> i'll try again
[06:07] <tgm4883> Mythbuntu413 didn't reload :)
[06:07] <MythbuntuGuest51> works now
[06:07] <tgm4883> superm1, does it tell you which channel you joined?
[06:07] <superm1> #ubuntu-mythtv
[06:07] <tgm4883> ok
[06:07] <tgm4883> i'm going to change that to #mythbuntu
[06:08] <superm1> tgm4883, well #mythbuntu points to #ubuntu-mythtv
[06:08] <superm1> so you cant
[06:08] <tgm4883> ok
[06:08] <tgm4883> i wasn't sure where it was telling you that
[06:08] <tgm4883> but we should be able to upload it now
[06:08] <MythbuntuGuest51> oh cool, I just realized I could pop off the channel window and then resize it full screen
[06:08] <foxbuntu> superm1, I am the man
[06:08] <foxbuntu> :)
[06:09] <tgm4883> foxbuntu is the man
[06:09] <foxbuntu> thats right
[06:09] <foxbuntu> I fixed the bug with the GTK colors
[06:09] <superm1> foxbuntu, go ahead and commit the changes
[06:09] <superm1> i'll take a look
[06:10] <foxbuntu> ok...I have one more thing I want to look at with it prior to that...but Its pretty much done
[06:10] <superm1> okay well just do one commit
[06:10] <foxbuntu> yeah...thats what I am planning on
[06:11] <superm1> tgm4883, so you want this to be popped on mythbuntu.org?
[06:11] <tgm4883> yea, i'll figure out how to point it in the right direction, just let me know where it's uploaded too
[06:13] <tgm4883> jumpkick, jumpkick2, should I keep those in their?  There is also a simple version that I was thinking of using
[06:13] <superm1> link me to the source tgm4883
[06:13] <tgm4883> http://sourceforge.net/project/downloading.php?groupname=pjirc&filename=pjirc_2_1_1_bin.zip&use_mirror=superb-east
[06:14] <tgm4883> superb-east?  does superm1 know superb?
[06:14] <tgm4883> interesting
[06:14] <jumpkick2> tgm4883: I think it's kind of cool to have them if it's not too much bother
[06:15] <jumpkick2> :)
[06:16] <tgm4883> jumpkick, then also try these 3 and let me know which of the 4 you like best
[06:17] <tgm4883> http://mythbuntu.weilandhomes.com/pjirc/SimpleApplet.html
[06:17] <tgm4883> http://mythbuntu.weilandhomes.com/pjirc/HeavyApplet.html
[06:18] <MythbuntuGuest80> ooh, are colours going to get me banned?
[06:18] <tgm4883> http://mythbuntu.weilandhomes.com/pjirc/AppletWithJS.html
[06:18] <superm1> disable the colors tgm4883
[06:18] <tgm4883> in heavy?
[06:18] <superm1> i won't ban you for them right now, but dont do them
[06:18] <MythbuntuGuest80> change nick box is handy
[06:18] <MythbuntuGuest80> ok
[06:19] <MythbuntuGuest80> yeah heavy
[06:19] <tgm4883> you checked JS?
[06:20] <tgm4883> would color be this
[06:20] <tgm4883> <param name="pixx:setfontonstyle" value="true">
[06:20] <tgm4883> or one of these
[06:20] <tgm4883> <param name="pixx:highlight" value="true">
[06:20] <tgm4883> <param name="pixx:highlightnick" value="true">
[06:20] <superm1> the first i'd think
[06:20] <superm1> of any of those
[06:20] <MythbuntuGuest25> wow...this client is pretty nice for a web based deal
[06:21] <saymyname> I'll say my own name - saymyname
[06:21] <MythbuntuGuest25> <-- foxbuntu
[06:21] <saymyname> line goes red, that's handy
[06:21] <saymyname> simple-client
[06:21] <superm1> for info, you should make it say "Mythbuntu.org User" when they are /whois'd
[06:22] <foxbuntu> superm1, I am pushing my changes right now
[06:24] <tgm4883> superm1, does it not say that right now?
[06:24] <superm1> --- [MythbuntuGuest25]  Info: Mythbuntu User
[06:24] <tgm4883> ah
[06:24] <tgm4883> someone is using the normal one still, which should report java user as I forgot to change it
[06:25] <tgm4883> so I have 1 vote for heavy and 1 vote for simple?
[06:25] <tgm4883> we can probably mix and match
[06:25] <jumpkick>  tgm4883: I like some of the stuff from the heavy
[06:25] <jumpkick> but I don't like, the background image, choice of font, colors
[06:26] <jumpkick> I mean color pick box thing that will get very annoying
[06:26] <foxbuntu> superm1, the new version of GTK is up
[06:26] <foxbuntu> REV 4 is what I am showing
[06:26] <superm1> tgm4883, mythbuntu.org/pjirc
[06:26] <tgm4883_laptop> ok, thanks
[06:26] <superm1> should get you to a root of extracted files
[06:27] <tgm4883_laptop> i'll do it as soon as im done with dinner
[06:27] <jumpkick> superm1 - Forbidden
[06:28] <superm1> jumpkick, directory browing is off
[06:28] <superm1> but the files are all there
[06:28] <jumpkick> k, cool
[06:28] <superm1> foxbuntu, everything is executable again
[06:28] <jumpkick> I guess at the end you'll name it something intuitive like http://mythbuntu.org/chat
[06:28] <superm1> are you doing these commits from windows or something
[06:29] <superm1> yea
[06:29] <foxbuntu> superm1, I am not sure how I am doing that
[06:29] <superm1> foxbuntu, well what is your commit process
[06:29] <superm1> what machine
[06:29] <superm1> and what do you do to commit
[06:29] <foxbuntu> my Ubuntu laptop
[06:29] <superm1> right.
[06:29] <superm1> feisty/gutsy?
[06:30] <foxbuntu> bzr merge, commit, push
[06:30] <foxbuntu> gutsy
[06:30] <superm1> did you edit these files somewhere else then?
[06:30] <superm1> other than on that laptop
[06:30] <foxbuntu> oh, I bet I know what it was
[06:30] <foxbuntu> I had to change the perm's on the files and stupid me did the chmod 777 instead of chown
[06:31] <foxbuntu> because I pulled it all down with a root key the first time and fixed that but hadn't reworked the files yet
[06:32] <foxbuntu> what's the perm level they should be at?
[06:33] <superm1> what they come down as
[06:33] <foxbuntu> ok
[06:33] <superm1> from the branch
[06:33] <foxbuntu> I figured it out
[06:33] <foxbuntu> let me fix it
[06:34] <superm1> No i got it
[06:34] <superm1> i've got a few other items to update in here
[06:34] <superm1> related to the version bump
[06:34] <foxbuntu> oh
[06:34] <foxbuntu> ok
[06:34] <superm1> your email @mythbuntu.org is no long valid
[06:35] <superm1> since the MX isn't around
[06:35] <superm1> so i'll put your gmail
[06:35] <troy_s> foxbuntu: Did you have a peek at the chromes?
[06:35] <foxbuntu> troy_s, yes, sorry I didn't get back to you yet
[06:35] <foxbuntu> let me pull them up again
[06:35] <troy_s> foxbuntu: Tis' ok -- horrible weekend for time.
[06:36] <troy_s> foxbuntu: Although learning how to do chrome in inkscape took me a little longer than I expected.
[06:36] <troy_s> foxbuntu: So as it stands, if you are more or less happy with the chrome idea, we migrate to finding a palette
[06:36] <troy_s> foxbuntu: and building outwards (I have _zero_ idea how to mix the chrome with a 60s pastiche palette, but again -- that is what the experimentation is for)
[06:36] <foxbuntu> yea, I think I like it
[06:37] <foxbuntu> just need to work out colors and lighting I think
[06:37] <troy_s> foxbuntu: I showed it to superm1 and he said something that I already thought -- it was a tad wide.
[06:37] <troy_s> foxbuntu: So that pretty much means I will need to finigle with the font and customize it further.
[06:37] <foxbuntu> yea
[06:37] <troy_s> foxbuntu: The lighting for the chrome that seems best for me is the one in 'logo'
[06:37] <foxbuntu> prob have to narrow it up a bit
[06:37] <troy_s> foxbuntu: The homogenous chrome is a little too cliched.
[06:38] <foxbuntu> I would agree
[06:38] <troy_s> anways, version 'logo' seems pretty solid... i'll show you a better res version... hold.
[06:39] <troy_s> foxbuntu: The palette is the real cruncher.
[06:39] <troy_s> foxbuntu: As more or less everything evolves from that element.
[06:39] <troy_s> foxbuntu: That chroming turned out better than I expected -- I think it will work if we can somehow bridge that 'car' to the original pastiche idea.
[06:41] <tgm4883_laptop> superm1, ygm
[06:42] <tgm4883_laptop> can you load that into the pjirc dir and test to see if you can connect?  I want to make sure we have firewall permissiions and such to get out of the server
[06:42] <foxbuntu> troy_s, great, no concerns from me
[06:42] <foxbuntu> troy_s, I will give you whatever you need
[06:42] <troy_s> foxbuntu: Ok ... so assuming I don't have a crap ass week like I did with this night shooting last week, I will hopefully get a little more done.
[06:42] <troy_s> foxbuntu: I'll try to hammer out a few palettes and apply them to the television.
[06:42] <foxbuntu> troy_s, Thanks again!
[06:43] <foxbuntu> troy_s, that sounds good to me
[06:43] <troy_s> foxbuntu: It also might be worth considering a sublogo with the chromed myth from that link I gave you with
[06:43] <troy_s> foxbuntu: with two knobs below it -- channel and volume (as in olderskool television sets)
[06:43] <troy_s> foxbuntu: and a pair of antenna stemming from the text.
[06:43] <troy_s> something simple that delivers the communication quickly and effectively.
[06:44] <foxbuntu> troy_s, that might be cool, see if you can get a rough sample so I can see what you are thinking
[06:44] <troy_s> foxbuntu: Okie.  Out for now.  Crap ass next week starts too soon.
[06:44] <foxbuntu> troy_s, lol, catch you later
[06:48] <MythbuntuGuest64> you guys should visit mythbuntu.org/chat
[06:48] <MythbuntuGuest64> i found this really neat applet there
[06:49] <superm1_> i'm back
[06:52] <foxbuntu> superm1, thanks for fixing that
[06:53] <superm1_> foxbuntu, for which?
[06:53] <foxbuntu> the perms on that commit
[06:53] <superm1_> oh you saw it already :)
[06:53] <foxbuntu> yeah, pulled it back down too
[06:53] <foxbuntu> to have mine the same
[06:53] <foxbuntu> so its right
[06:54] <superm1_> from now on i think that we should always bzr pull among one another
[06:54] <superm1_> so as to not overwrite anyone's changes by accident on the branch
[06:54] <foxbuntu> yea
[06:57] <foxbuntu> superm1, the deal I have been offered from the decision makers at the ISP is that their DC is full right now, but I can put in some bigger HDD's into one of their VM servers and have a full access VM on it to use their bandwidth, which I found out is actually 145MB each way
[06:58] <superm1_> sounds sensible
[06:58] <foxbuntu> right, I like the idea anyhow...just gotta dig up the money for the parts
[06:59] <foxbuntu> since 2 or 3 500GB Drives isn't exactly pennies
[07:00] <superm1> woah um foxbuntu this still doesn't look right
[07:00] <foxbuntu> superm1, what doesn't?
[07:00] <superm1> load it in gnome
[07:00] <superm1> and take a look
[07:00] <foxbuntu> I did
[07:01] <superm1> okay let me show you then
[07:01] <foxbuntu> what part is off?
[07:01] <superm1> i'll open ubiquity and set all the defaults for this theme
[07:01] <superm1> and you can see
[07:02] <tgm4883_laptop> anyone know java?
[07:02] <foxbuntu> k
[07:02] <foxbuntu> some
[07:02] <tgm4883_laptop> !pastebin
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[07:02] <foxbuntu> it's the retarded brother to C/C++
[07:02] <foxbuntu> lol
[07:04] <superm1> http://img251.imageshack.us/my.php?image=screenshotgl9.png
[07:04] <superm1> look at the title bar on the terminal and any text in the window for ubiquity
[07:05] <superm1> and you dont want to see what the control centre looks like.
[07:06] <foxbuntu> I guess I am not getting what you are getting at
[07:06] <superm1> in that screenshot?!
[07:06] <superm1> can you read anything in that
[07:06] <foxbuntu> oh you mean the menu bar?
[07:06] <superm1> menu bar, background color, text color
[07:06] <superm1> all of it
[07:06] <foxbuntu> ugh
[07:06] <foxbuntu> ok
[07:06] <superm1> do you see what i mean though?
[07:07] <foxbuntu> yea
[07:07] <foxbuntu> I need to drop that blue color  back like 5 shades
[07:07] <superm1> its the same color as the buttons
[07:07] <superm1> which is also trouble
[07:08] <foxbuntu> right
[07:08] <foxbuntu> well there is an issue with the GTK theme all around that I am trying to work around until I can re-write the whole thing and make it less retarded
[07:09] <superm1> well currently this is a step in the wrong direction
[07:11] <superm1> tgm4883, now what you really should do i think is fit that java applet into a drupal node
[07:12] <superm1> drupal supports full out html, so you can probably fit the code to include the applet right on a node
[07:12] <tgm4883_laptop> superm1, working on that
[07:12] <tgm4883_laptop> but it's not working
[07:12] <tgm4883_laptop> foxbuntu is looking at the code for me
[07:12] <superm1> in which case i'll probably move the client over to a different directory
[07:13] <superm1> so that you can still use mythbuntu.org/chat
[07:13] <superm1> to point to that node
[07:30] <foxbuntu> superm1, I made it a super ugly shade of purple want that?
[07:30] <foxbuntu> lol
[07:38] <foxbuntu> superm1, I will have to put more time into this to find something workable
[07:38] <foxbuntu> I gotta get to sleep however
[07:38] <foxbuntu> catch you later
[07:56] <tgm4883_laptop> superm1, is /chat/ a directory on the server?
[07:56] <superm1> yes
[07:56] <superm1> currently
[07:56] <superm1> that can be changed
[07:56] <tgm4883_laptop> does it have the pjirc files in their?
[07:56] <superm1> yes
[07:56] <superm1> all of them
[07:56] <tgm4883_laptop> ah
[07:56] <tgm4883_laptop> dont suppose you know java
[07:57] <superm1> what'd you need to figure out?
[07:57] <tgm4883_laptop> all the files are also in /pjirc/ right?
[07:57] <superm1> not right now
[07:57] <tgm4883_laptop> ?
[07:57] <superm1> they were
[07:57] <superm1> but they're just in/chat/
[07:57] <superm1> right now
[07:57] <tgm4883_laptop> ok, sec
[07:58] <superm1> just tell me what you prefer
[07:58] <superm1> and i'll put them that way
[08:02] <tgm4883_laptop> hmm
[08:02] <MythbuntuGuest66> http://www.mythbuntu.org/chat/ wfm
[08:02] <tgm4883_laptop> superm1, I can't seem to find the main engine file for some reason
[08:03] <superm1> where'd you lose it?
[08:03] <superm1> :)
[08:04] <tgm4883_laptop> it's strange, as now atleast im pointed to the right directory  ;)
[08:06] <MythbuntuGuest73> tgm4883: my page says "Test page for IRCApplet Class" at the top
[08:06] <MythbuntuGuest73> just fyi
[08:07] <tgm4883_laptop> MythbuntuGuest73, yes, although im trying to integrate it into drupal node
[08:08] <tgm4883_laptop> superm1, from some reason im unable to find main IRC JAR file
[08:08] <MythbuntuGuest73> oh cool
[08:08] <superm1> whats it called?
[08:08] <tgm4883_laptop> i think irc.jar
[08:08] <tgm4883_laptop> but it is there
[08:09] <tgm4883_laptop> as when i have the site checked at /chat/ it all checks out
[08:10] <superm1> so whats wrong?
[08:10] <tgm4883_laptop> well
[08:10] <superm1> are you using "filtered html"
[08:10] <superm1> on the drupal page?
[08:10] <tgm4883_laptop> when i check the node it can't find it
[08:10] <superm1> or full html
[08:10] <tgm4883_laptop> full
[08:12] <superm1> hm
[08:12] <tgm4883_laptop> it's very strange
[08:12] <tgm4883_laptop> the only thing I can think of is the code is wrong
[08:12] <tgm4883_laptop> but it looks fine to me
[08:13] <tgm4883_laptop> its located at mythbuntu.org/Chat if you want to see
[08:13] <superm1> k lets see
[08:14] <superm1> um
[08:14] <superm1> ff froze on it
[08:15] <tgm4883_laptop> yea foxbuntu was saying that too
[08:15] <tgm4883_laptop> !pastebin
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[08:15] <tgm4883_laptop> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/35210/
[08:15] <tgm4883_laptop> code ^
[08:16] <tgm4883_laptop> sec
[08:17] <superm1> shouldn't it be ../chat/blah
[08:18] <tgm4883_laptop> what be /chat/blah
[08:18] <superm1> well you say /chat/blah
[08:18] <superm1> where blah is say a class name
[08:18] <superm1> or cab name
[08:18] <superm1> shouldnt it be ../
[08:19] <tgm4883_laptop> i dont think so, as /node/29 isn't a real directory, and when you run it though http://www.pjirc.com/check/ most things check out
[08:20] <tgm4883_laptop> what
[08:20] <tgm4883_laptop> yureka, it works
[08:20] <superm1> how?
[08:20] <MythbuntuGuest43> voodoo
[08:20] <superm1> sweet
[08:21] <MythbuntuGuest54> okay so what i'll do is move the pjirc source to pjirc
[08:21] <MythbuntuGuest54> and then you can call this node chat
[08:21] <MythbuntuGuest54> rather than Chat
[08:21] <tgm4883_laptop> ok
[08:21] <tgm4883_laptop> sounds good
[08:22] <superm1> good thing you know magic
[08:22] <superm1> was it something silly?
[08:22] <tgm4883_laptop> seriously, i have no idea what changed
[08:22] <tgm4883_laptop> i did change 1 thing, checked it, no change, waited a few minutes, tried it and it worked
[08:23] <tgm4883_laptop> let me know when you have changed it to pjirc
[08:23] <superm1> done
[08:25] <tgm4883_laptop> ok, try it again at www.mythbuntu.org/chat
[08:26] <MythbuntuGuest80> hello world
[08:26] <superm1> tgm4883, you know you are somehow 2 of the 3 users logged into the site right now?
[08:27] <tgm4883_laptop> i'm that good
[08:27] <tgm4883_laptop> i'm so good, that I spill over into a second me
[08:27] <superm1> haha
[08:27] <superm1> good job
[08:31] <tgm4883_laptop> ok superm1
[08:31] <tgm4883_laptop> http://www.mythbuntu.org/support
[08:31] <tgm4883_laptop> now links to http://www.mythbuntu.org/chat
[08:32] <tgm4883_laptop> right now it's just the simple version, but i will add some heavy stuff tomarrow
[08:32] <superm1> i would elaborate upon that a little more, and say if you don't have an IRC client etc
[08:32] <superm1> ah okay
[08:32] <tgm4883_laptop> I was thinking of moving all the IRC stuff below
[08:32] <tgm4883_laptop> anyway, i'm off to bed now
[08:33] <superm1> okay
[08:33] <superm1> night night
[08:33] <superm1> thanks tgm4883_laptop
[02:52] <cornell_work> Any word on Schedule Direct?
[02:54] <laga> huh?
[03:17] <cornell_work> Isn't it Schedules Direct that's supposed to be a new listing service to replace Zap2It?
[03:17] <laga> yeah
[03:17] <laga> what do you want to know?
[03:18] <cornell_work> I was wondering if anybody knew anything, like when one can register.  I'd hit the site last week and it said registrations are closed.  And the site seems to be down since Sunday.
[03:19] <laga> TMS is having problems, according to their website.
[03:19] <cornell_work> Yeah, that's why the site's down at the moment.
[03:20] <laga> i guess they'll be back up soon *shrug*
[03:22] <cornell_work> Have you registered, laga ?
[03:22] <laga> no
[03:22] <laga> i'm from europe
[03:27] <cornell_work> Ah...
[03:27] <cornell_work> Sorry...  I spend too much time in a chat room for a local lug.  Get to forgetting that not everybody's from around here, mea culpa.
[03:28] <laga> ;)
[04:13] <spinkham> Has anyone tried to migrate to Schedules Direct yet?
[04:14] <spinkham> As far as I can tell, the CVS revision of the weekly build from mythbuntu is before the SD changes were added...
[04:15] <gand> i see there's now 64-bit version of mythbuntu, is there any benefit of using this, there's not 64 bit version of mythtv is there?
[04:19] <spinkham> gand:  I'm not sure, but I don't see them in the weekly builds, only a 32 bit edition...
[04:24] <gand> ok thanks spinkham, i'm pretty sure there is only 32-bit version of mythtv, so if gonna use system mostly for watching tv, i don't see that 64-bit OS would make sense.  I've read that there can be problems when 64-bit system drops into 32-bit emulation mode
[04:52] <rhpot1991> I thought mythtv could be built as 64bit binaries
[04:52] <rhpot1991> just going off of words I have seen though, so take it with a grain of salt
[05:01] <spinkham> Yes, I believe it can.. Directions here: http://patrick.wagstrom.net/tutorials/mythTV64/mythTV64.xml
[05:01] <spinkham> But I haven't seen any premade packages for 64 bit yet...
[05:04] <spinkham> Comments on the mythtv list seem to indicate little to no benefit to 64 bit mode at the moment..  http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/210421?search_string=64;#210421
[05:21] <rhpot1991> well the rest of your system would be running 64bit, so I would guess you would get some boost out of that
[05:24] <cornell_work> Well... if it's a 64 bit box, shouldn't it be a 64 bit OS?  And if it's a 64 bit OS, shouldn't one use 64 bit applications when possible?
[05:26] <spinkham> Not necessarily.. 64 bit binaries are larger then 32 bit, so less code fits in the cache on the processor, often resulting in a net slowdown.
[05:35] <gand> i'm building a mythtv box at minute and have amd64 processor. would you recommend i put 64-bit version of mythbuntu on there, even though i'll mostly just be using system for mythtv?
[05:39] <spinkham> I would search the mythtv archives at http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/ for "64 bit" to see what's current
[05:40] <spinkham> SEemsDOn't run 64 bit myself on 64 bit hardware I have, because of some kernel drivers I need not working correctly..
[05:40] <spinkham> Depends on your hardware, doesn't really make much difference either way unless you need to address more the 4 Gig of memory
[05:43] <gand> ok thanks
[06:14] <hendrixski> hey, quick question
[06:14] <hendrixski> if I installed mythtv, and messed up the install...
[06:14] <hendrixski> err, the config... then to uninstall and re-install it do I _have_ to re-install everything?
[06:15] <hendrixski> there seems to be a lot of residual stuff when I uninstall
[06:22] <rhpot1991> mythtv stores everything in a database
[06:22] <rhpot1991> you can just back that up if you don't want to lose it
[06:23] <hendrixski> it's not a problem of loosing it
[06:23] <rhpot1991> http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-23.html#ss23.5
[06:23] <hendrixski> it's that I fill it up with the wrong crap
[06:23] <rhpot1991> well then you can just delete the database
[06:23] <rhpot1991> and your good to start from scratch
[06:24] <rhpot1991> dpkg --purge should get rid of everything, if your really woried about it
[06:24] <hendrixski> right, but the configuration generates a new password and all
[06:25] <rhpot1991> I seem to recall it only generates a new mysql password if the account doesn't exist (I could be wrong though)
[06:25] <hendrixski> right, we've tried apt-get uninstall --purge mythtv and it didn't help.... that calls dpkg --purge right?
[06:25] <rhpot1991> I have always uninstalled then purged it seperately
[06:25] <rhpot1991> I think "complete removal" in synaptec does the same too
[06:27] <hendrixski> that's what I would have anticipated, but somehow didn't seem to work like that for us
[06:27] <rhpot1991> mysql db might be hanging around
[06:27] <rhpot1991> if your removing myth it probably left mysql hence the db still being there
[06:28] <hendrixski> hhmm, maybe it would help if I knew what it was doing under the hood.... I'll try it again and pay attention to mysqldb
[06:28] <hendrixski> I should probably purge mysqldb as well, before re-installing?
[06:29] <tgm4883_laptop> what did you do wrong?
[06:30] <hendrixski> tgm4883_laptop, hell if I know... it just doesn't want to work if I try to re-install it after uninstalling it
[06:30] <tgm4883_laptop> right, but what info did you input wrong that makes you want to redo it
[06:30] <hendrixski> probably running mythtvfrontend without running mythtvsetup first
[06:31] <tgm4883_laptop> well you can always run mythtv-setup
[06:31] <hendrixski> I think that's what hozed it,, and then running mythtvsetup afterwards doesn't do anything because it's not granted the password like it usually is
[06:31] <tgm4883_laptop> that doesn't require a reinstall
[06:31] <hendrixski> or something like that
[06:31] <tgm4883_laptop> are you running it as the mythtv user or the user you specified during install?
[06:32] <tgm4883_laptop> did you follow any guides?
[06:33] <hendrixski> I've installed it before without problems off of the guides, but this time was going off of memory
[06:33] <hendrixski> so I did things out of order
[06:34] <hendrixski> the problem is it's not forgiving when you do that... and I'm wondering if that isn't a bug we can't fix on the packaging end?
[06:35] <tgm4883_laptop> the thing is, im not sure whatever the problem is that it isn't fixable
[06:35] <hendrixski> k
[06:35] <tgm4883_laptop> what is it doing?
[06:38] <hendrixski> it won't access the database
[06:38] <tgm4883_laptop> any error messages?
[06:38] <hendrixski> and when you run mythtvsetup it's normally supposed to show the generated password
[06:38] <hendrixski> but this time it doens't
[06:38] <hendrixski> umm... error messages  were like "couldn't connect to mysql databse"
[06:38] <hendrixski> that sort of thing
[06:38] <tgm4883_laptop> well thats an easy fix i believ
[06:39] <tgm4883_laptop> laga do you remember the command?
[06:39] <tgm4883_laptop> i think it is
[06:39] <tgm4883_laptop> dpkg --reconfigure mythtv-database
[06:39] <hendrixski> sweet... I'll give that a try
[06:40] <hendrixski> thanks tgm4883_laptop :-)
[06:41] <tgm4883_laptop> ok, i'll be out for some coffee for a bit, but keep me updated on any problems and i'll look when I get back
[06:51] <superm1> keescook, any update on the edgy packages testing in your VM?
[06:52] <keescook> superm1: had some issues with my build (duh, requires newer mythtv) so I started it again today, I think it just finished
[06:53] <superm1> oh do you not have a pbuilder hook to use old built binaries?
[06:53] <superm1> or wait you use sbuild, don't ya :)
[06:53] <keescook> I use sbuild.  yeah.  but no problem, I just spawn a chroot and install everything.  I just forgot about it when I went to bed last night
[06:53] <superm1> ah
[06:54] <keescook> I'm also trying to figure out how to test the install once it's installed in edgy...
[06:54] <superm1> well perhaps test just the frontend (assuming your backend is schedules direct ready)?
[06:55] <superm1> that's what i did in my feisty VM, launched mythtv-setup and launched the frontend, made sure they could connect to my backend outside the vm
[06:55] <keescook> not a bad idea.
[06:55] <keescook> I haven't upgraded the feisty mythtv yet
[06:56] <superm1> too bad proposed still hasn't cleared
[06:56] <superm1> at least i don't have a mail that it did yet
[06:56] <superm1> i dont know if i should be expecting one or what not
[06:56] <keescook> did you catch seb128 or riddell online?
[06:57] <superm1> last night seb128 was online, but i didn't want to poke too soon
[06:57] <superm1> since i wasn't sure on an eta to expect to this
[06:59] <keescook> so, it's been forever... in edgy I'm flooded with database errors when I try to start mythtv-setup.  I'm already in the group, and the db has been built, so the mysql side must be working...
[07:00] <superm1> are you trying to connect to an outside backend?
[07:00] <superm1> or to the one in the vm?
[07:00] <keescook> the one in the vm -- I want to make sure the upgrades and all work
[07:01] <superm1> right.
[07:01] <superm1> just in case you hit that weird bug that sometimes the db is corrupt on the first run, perhaps remove them, drop the sql table and do it once more?
[07:02] <CBiLL> anyone got UIRT USB?
[07:03] <keescook> superm1: odd, there are no tables.
[07:03] <keescook> and a dpkg-reconfigure -plow mythtv-database didn't fix it
[07:04] <superm1> hm...
[07:10] <keescook> ah, mythbackend needed to start once
[07:11] <keescook> still can't run mythtv-setup
[07:12] <keescook> hmpf, works as the mythtv user.  ;)
[07:12] <superm1> haha.
[07:12] <superm1> perhaps you had a ~/.mythtv directory
[07:12] <superm1> with a bad mysql.txt
[07:13] <keescook> why yes, that's it.
[07:14] <tgm4883> superm1, i updated http://www.mythbuntu.org/support
[07:14] <tgm4883> in case you want to look at it
[07:16] <keescook> argh amd64 vs i386.  rebuilding myth again
[07:17] <superm1> keescook, see why i wanted to backport more of the packaging :)
[07:17] <keescook> superm1: yeah, I know; it's tempting, but best not to introduce further changes, even if they're almost certainly safe.
[07:18] <superm1> right
[07:19] <superm1> tgm4883, i don't know that the bullet points still make sense to have
[07:19] <superm1> i think they can go.
[07:19] <tgm4883> ok
[07:19] <tgm4883> Consider them removed
[07:20] <tgm4883> fixed
[07:20] <tgm4883> other than that, look good?
[07:20] <superm1> yea
[07:20] <superm1> worded well
[07:21] <tgm4883> thanks
[07:21] <superm1> tgm4883, oh i just refreshed, i meant like take those lines out alltogeterh
[07:21] <tgm4883> ah
[07:21] <superm1> So we'll just have people joining our channel and redirecting as needed if we can't help
[07:22] <tgm4883> ok
[07:22] <tgm4883> fixed again
[07:23] <keescook> superm1: did you see mdz's reply to your SRU TB email?
[07:23] <superm1> Yes.
[07:23] <tgm4883> Daviey, you around?
[07:23] <superm1> i made sure to include all of the things he asked for in the SRU request
[07:27] <keescook> cool; does he know the bug #?
[07:33] <superm1> I'm not sure.  after i submit to edgy proposed, i'll respond with the two bug numbers
[07:36] <Daviey> tgm4883: yep
[07:37] <tgm4883> Daviey, I can test that download if you still need me to
[07:37] <Daviey> erm.. cheers
[07:37] <Daviey> Give me a little bit.. playing with server
[07:37] <tgm4883> ok
[07:37] <tgm4883> let me know
[07:38] <Daviey> thanks
[07:49] <superm1> keescook, to pull a newer version from debian into, I just dget from debian the dsc and dput to ubuntu correct?
[07:49] <superm1> assuming i test and all in gutsy :)
[07:51] <keescook> superm1: do you mean a debian sync?
[07:52] <superm1> keescook, yes
[07:52] <superm1> or is there a motu tool to do this already?
[07:52] <keescook> in that case, use the "requestsync" script, and the archive admins will do it.
[07:52] <keescook> (since it doesn't have Ubuntu modifications)
[07:52] <foxbuntu> superm1, did you see the buttons change in the GTK theme?
[07:52] <superm1> keescook, where do i get the requestsync script?
[07:52] <superm1> foxbuntu, No, when did you update?
[07:54] <keescook> superm1: it's in the "devscript" package
[07:54] <keescook> sorry, devscripts
[07:54] <foxbuntu> superm1, they were in last nights update
[07:54] <foxbuntu> I meant check boxes
[07:57] <superm1> keescook, woah cool tool :)
[07:57] <keescook> superm1: yeah, quite handy.  :)
[07:59] <tgm4883> foxbuntu, we got the problem fixed from last night
[07:59] <keescook> superm1: mythweb failed to install
[08:00] <foxbuntu> tgm4883, what problem?
[08:00] <tgm4883> someone (nods towards superm1) moved the folder from /pjirc/ to /chat/
[08:00] <superm1> keescook, any immediate explanation as to why
[08:00] <keescook> superm1: ah, found the error
[08:00] <tgm4883> the java problem that you were helping me with
[08:00] <foxbuntu> oh
[08:00] <keescook> postinst failed to cp some files
[08:00] <foxbuntu> kewl
[08:00] <tgm4883> so it's all up and running right now with the simple version
[08:00] <foxbuntu> nice
[08:00] <tgm4883> I will add features probably today
[08:01] <foxbuntu> got a link from the support page then?
[08:01] <keescook> cp: cannot stat `/usr/share/mythtv/mythweb/includes/config.php.dist': No such file or directory
[08:01] <tgm4883> yep
[08:01] <foxbuntu> nice
[08:01] <tgm4883> check it out
[08:01] <superm1> keescook, okay i'll double check with that
[08:01] <tgm4883> http://www.mythbuntu.org/support
[08:02] <foxbuntu> nice work tgm4883
[08:02] <tgm4883> thanks
[08:02] <tgm4883> now if I could just figure out the inline image module
[08:03] <foxbuntu> lol
[08:03] <foxbuntu> I am finding that the GTK Theme I have been working on needs allot of reworking to get the colors to match up nicly
[08:03] <foxbuntu> er better
[08:05] <foxbuntu> I am getting pretty close to just trashing most of the theme and starting over, this theme is so messed up
[08:06] <foxbuntu> and I now realize why allot of the GTK Theme's are lighter colors
[08:06] <MythbuntuGuest24> woo.. it works
[08:06] <superm1> keescook, hm well that packaging might have to be upgraded a bit
[08:06] <tgm4883> yep
[08:07] <tgm4883> i want some input on what features i need to add to it
[08:07] <superm1> keescook, i'll look at maybe bringing it up to feisty packaging at least
[08:08] <superm1> since config.php isn't used still
[08:08] <superm1> everything else appearing OK?
[08:08] <keescook> superm1: well, I think fixing the postinst to avoid the problem is sufficient, the feisty packaging is pretty radically different isn't it?
[08:09] <superm1> well i'll meld the two and see
[08:09] <keescook> superm1: yeah, near as I can tell, everything loads and runs after I fix that postinst with a || true  :)
[08:11] <laga> hendrixski: got your DB issues fixed?
[08:13] <superm1> keescook, it is indeed radically different.  the htaccess isn't prepared at all on edgy packages, and directories aren't made
[08:13] <superm1> nor symlinks
[08:14] <keescook> superm1: yeah, I'd just || true it and skip everything else.
[08:15] <keescook> the configuration bits for the plugins can get a little odd; I know mythweb was still broken in feisty too (I had to manually move some things around when I upgraded), so I'm not very concerned with these things.
[08:15] <keescook> users of these plugins will know how to deal with breakage.
[08:15] <hendrixski> laga, we're still working on it.  thanks for checking up on us :-)
[08:15] <laga> hendrixski: good.
[08:15] <superm1> that feels like such a dirty hack to do here. okay i'll switch it over to add the || true
[08:15] <laga> i'll leave then
[08:16] <laga> hendrixski: you might also wanna dpkg-reconfigure mythtv-common... just a thought, dunno if it'll help
[08:16] <laga> g'night
[08:16] <hendrixski> k
[08:16] <keescook> superm1: well, that or figure out where the config.php file went?
[08:19] <superm1> keescook, can you try it with modifying the place it copies from to be /etc/mythtv/mythweb-config.php
[08:19] <superm1> if that works out, i'll use that instead
[08:20] <keescook> superm1: that's the path of the target
[08:20] <keescook> (i.e. $CONFIG)
[08:21] <superm1> keescook, the target should be /etc/mythtv/mythweb-settings.php
[08:21] <superm1> not that
[08:21] <superm1> looking at the top where CONFIG is defined
[08:21] <keescook> oh! duhrn
[08:22] <keescook> yeah,
[08:22] <keescook> superm1: yeah, that seems to work
[08:22] <hendrixski> got it working
[08:23] <seabag> we formatted (lowest common denom), re-installed mythtv and this time ran mythtv-setup first before mythfrontend
[08:23] <hendrixski> so, is it a bug that we can allow users to run mythfrontend before mythfilldatabase is called?
[08:23] <seabag> running mythfrontend first was the problem
[08:24] <tgm4883> hendrixski, what if it's a frontend only?
[08:24] <tgm4883> then you don't call mythfilldatabase
[08:24] <seabag> i suggest we have a message appear when the user tries to run mythfrontend first, such as "please run mythtv-setup first, otherwise your system will be hosed. if this is a frontend only, then ignore this message"
[08:24] <hendrixski> tgm4883, is there a way of knowing that when the package is installed?  if so then it may save a lot of peopl ea lot of pain
[08:24] <seabag> you still need to run mythtv setup even as a frontend only, right? to tell it what the backend's IP is?
[08:25] <tgm4883> hendrixski, you may be able to see if mythtv-setup has been ran, and if not then run it
[08:25] <tgm4883> superm1 would know more
[08:26] <tgm4883> as I just do what he tells me :)
[08:26] <seabag> :D
[08:26] <superm1> seabag, mythtv-setup already offers to run mythfilldatabaes
[08:26] <superm1> at the end of setup
[08:26] <keescook> superm1: are we supposed to subscribe a motu-sru team to the SRU bugs?
[08:26] <tgm4883> superm1, they are talking about how they were able to start the frontend without doing mythtv-setup
[08:26] <seabag> right, heh wish i had a whiteboard to draw up trees of possibilities
[08:26] <superm1> keescook, I didn't see anything about that on the SRU page
[08:26] <seabag> right
[08:26] <hendrixski> ah, so mythtv setup has to be run in both instances, just mythfilldatabase is called or not depending on the setup?
[08:27] <keescook> superm1: yeah, me neither
[08:27] <tgm4883> seabag you do
[08:27] <tgm4883> openoffice.org drawing is a good one i used once
[08:27] <seabag> oh no i meant on the fly here
[08:27] <superm1> keescook, but my gut feeling was thinking so too.
[08:27] <tgm4883> ah
[08:28] <seabag> so whether you have a front end or a fe/be, you still ought to run mythtv-setup first before mythfrontend, right?
[08:28] <hendrixski> so... if mythtv setup has to be run anyway, can't we put a binary bit to check that it's been run before anyone runs mythtvfrontend?
[08:30] <hendrixski> so... seabag and I may want to file a bug/feature-request about this... should it go on Ubuntu's Launchpad or Mythtv's Trac?
[08:30] <seabag> i'm guessing trac?
[08:32] <hendrixski> yeah, because that's probably requires changes in the sourcecode...
[08:32] <tgm4883> probably trac, but you could always ask over in #mythtv-users
[08:32] <hendrixski> however
[08:32] <hendrixski> if we file it on launchpad
[08:32] <seabag> hendrixski, fyi, http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/wiki/TicketHowTo
[08:32] <hendrixski> we can modify the package to automatically run mythtv-setup on install maybe?
[08:34] <seabag> also hendrixski fyi http://mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Bug_Tracking_System
[08:34] <seabag> brb guys
[08:34] <hendrixski> seabag, I know... but I was hoping that superm1 or tgm4883 may weigh in on the possibility of having that handled in a package for now until upstream decides that it actually wants people to use mythtv
[08:35] <superm1> hendrixski, the gutsy packages do prefill the database now
[08:35] <superm1> upon install
[08:35] <superm1> so mythtv-setup isn't "necessary"
[08:35] <superm1> but this doesn't happen off the mythbuntu install disk yet
[08:35] <superm1> only when the packages are installed
[08:35] <hendrixski> SWEET
[08:36] <hendrixski> so it is fixed for the next release, but not yet backported?
[08:36] <superm1> well all of the packaging stuff won't be backported to feisty unfortunately
[08:36] <superm1> but it is in gutsy
[08:36] <hendrixski> aha, Ok
[08:36] <superm1> the new mythtv version will be showing up in feisty repositories however
[08:37] <hendrixski> cool... as soon as seabag gets off the phone I'll tell him... he'll be extatic... he lost days trying to figure this out and when I told him it has an easy fix he was like "F*ck Ubuntu, nothing's ever easy"
[08:37] <hendrixski> superm1, ah, you mean .20.2 :-)
[08:37] <superm1> yes
[08:37] <hendrixski> I saw on the mailing list it has a few solid fixes in it. :-)
[08:37] <superm1> it's a shame that all the cool stuff will only be in new releases :)
[08:38] <hendrixski> lol, I can't wait
[08:38] <tgm4883> it'll be like the windows 95 release all over again.  People camping out at stores, parades, parties being thrown
[08:38] <hendrixski> we're thinking of starting a company to make an appliance, where one of the components we'll use to build it will be parts of mythtv... but there's such a learning curve on researching this stuff
[08:39] <superm1> keescook, things look good to push to -proposed then to you?
[08:39] <tgm4883> what kind of appliance?
[08:39] <foxbuntu> superm1, I really hate this GTK theme
[08:39] <hendrixski> tgm4883, the loco teams could throw a release party again
[08:39] <tgm4883> a toaster?
[08:39] <tgm4883> that would be sweet
[08:39] <keescook> superm1: after that little fix, yeah, go for it.  (though these procedures are a bit vauge)
[08:39] <keescook> er, vague
[08:40] <hendrixski> lol... yes, a toaster with mythtv... kind of like the gas pumps with TV's on them, or the deep-fryers with RSS feeds
[08:40] <tgm4883> sweet
[08:40] <superm1> keescook, yea i know.  Well i pinged Riddell in -devel, i'll double check with the procedure with him, and see if he could ack these given the whole no data upcoming so soon
[08:40] <tgm4883> although he just left, you may want to talk with foxbuntu about that, as i think he is doing something along the same lines
[08:40] <hendrixski> well... I dunno that anyone made dee[-fryers with RSS... but I know Linus was absolutely shocked when in the 90's someone showed him a gas pump running LInux so that customers could watch CNN while filling up
[08:41] <tgm4883> yep, i think they have those in SoCal
[08:41] <hendrixski> ah cool, I'll def. have talk to him then
[08:42] <hendrixski> we've been at the idea phase for a long time now and think we finally have the business model, and now need to get the technical things... and neither of us have enough linux experience... so we'll be hiring :-)
[08:42] <hendrixski> but talking to others doing similar things always means good opportunities for collaboration
[08:42] <tgm4883> what kind of appliance though?  strictly pvr or more?
[08:43] <hendrixski> tgm4883, making just another pvr isn't a successful business model
[08:43] <tgm4883> well, mythtv isn't just another PVR
[08:43] <hendrixski> lol, I know
[08:44] <tgm4883> so in terms of MythTV vs any other PVR, i would think that MythTV could be very successful
[08:44] <hendrixski> and there are plugins that allow it to do RSS stuff, so it already is the next generation... but you have to build on top of that, and make a long-term model
[08:44] <tgm4883> also, remember that the more things you have it do, the more potential conflicts and things that can break occur
[08:44] <hendrixski> very tru
[08:45] <tgm4883> whats your target market?
[08:46] <hendrixski> hhmm... I'm trying say as much as I can without giving away our edge...
[08:46] <hendrixski> the target market would be...
[08:46] <hendrixski> people who aren't necessarily technically capable (which is the mistake that many appliances that use linux and others that use mythtv hvae made)
[08:47] <tgm4883> hmm, an edge would mean that your going into a market in which no one has gone before/doing something that they haven't done before
[08:47] <tgm4883> and since mythtv is part of it, im having trouble seeing this idea
[08:47] <hendrixski> tgm4883, :-) exactly
[08:47] <tgm4883> hmm
[08:48] <hendrixski> we'll create a service that nobody has created before
[08:49] <tgm4883> what country do you live in?
[08:49] <hendrixski> I'm in the USA.... but we're looking at European markets too
[08:49] <tgm4883> hmm
[08:50] <tgm4883> I'm having trouble seeing your service, as everything im thinking of has either been done/attempted or is illegal
[08:51] <tgm4883> pm more info?
[08:51] <hendrixski> sure
[08:52] <tgm4883> ygpm
[08:55] <hendrixski> tgm4883, are my responses to the PM coming through?
[08:56] <tgm4883> nope
[08:56] <hendrixski> :-(
[08:56] <tgm4883> are you registered?
[08:56] <hendrixski> oh right
[09:02] <hendrixski> superm1,   hhmm... so if it's in gutsy, but not backported to feisty.... will that be backported to dapper LTS?
[09:02] <superm1> hendrixski, give me a few minutes. i'll respond in a bit
[09:03] <hendrixski> k
[09:04] <hendrixski> superm1, I'm just wondering at this point... no hurry... and if it's not at current, I may try to find time and offer to backport it myself. :-)
[09:04] <Daviey> Is it really worth the effort?
[09:04] <tgm4883> yea, why not update to gutsy?
[09:05] <tgm4883> although it should be in dapper
[09:05] <tgm4883> my opinion, not any fact ^
[09:06] <Daviey> You are welcome to do it; but i can't see there is a demand
[09:06] <rhpot1991> tgm4883: how is your name showing up in the side of the mythbuntu page?
[09:06] <Daviey> Plus it makes support potentially more difficult
[09:06] <tgm4883> rhpot1991, im logged in
[09:06] <rhpot1991> logged in where, I don't see any register page or anything
[09:06] <tgm4883> rhpot1991, there isn't one, it's just for updating the site and such
[09:07] <rhpot1991> ah ok
[09:07] <rhpot1991> is there any reason for me to isntall mythbuntu when I already have a working ubuntu setup running the weekly builds?
[09:08] <tgm4883> IMO< probably not
[09:08] <rhpot1991> from the screenshots I gather that all that would give me would be a gui for setup
[09:08] <tgm4883> the .20.2 package should be backported to dapper, only because of the changes with SD
[09:08] <Daviey> tgm4883: good point
[09:09] <Daviey> But seriously.. how many people still use dapper+mythtv?
[09:09] <rhpot1991> the .20.2 will hit the weekly builds right?
[09:09] <Daviey> especially as gutsy+1 will be lts
[09:09] <tgm4883> Daviey, I don't see why not, I would use dapper+mythtv if I was around back then.  Why upgrade the whole system if it isn't broke?
[09:09] <tgm4883> just upgrade every LTS
[09:10] <tgm4883> hendrixski, why use dapper on a new install?
[09:10] <rhpot1991> seems like a waste of time, does it tell you to do that when you install?
[09:10] <hendrixski> Daviey, do we know for a fact gutsy+1 is?  'cause I remember hearing during open-week that it may just be gutsy +2
[09:10] <tgm4883> yep, gutsy+1 will be LTS
[09:11] <Daviey> tgm4883: yeah.. i see your point.. but personallly i cba as i see little demand.. Maybe a poll? :D
[09:11] <tgm4883> every 3 - 4 releases are LTS, gutsy +1 will be #4
[09:11] <hendrixski> because people who don't want to have to face the horrors of updating every 6 months
[09:11] <Daviey> hendrixski: i don't know for fact no... that was last i heard
[09:11] <tgm4883> hendrixski, feisty has support longer than dapper
[09:12] <Daviey> O RLY
[09:12] <Daviey> http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/download
[09:12] <hendrixski> ??? doesn't dapper have support for like another 2 or 3 years?
[09:13] <Daviey> hendrixski: check the link
[09:14] <tgm4883> whoops, my bad, brain freeze
[09:15] <tgm4883> it's not 6 months though, its 18
[09:15] <tgm4883> so feisty will get you into Gutsy +1
[09:19] <hendrixski> so yeah, 'tilll 2009, meaning 2 years
[09:19] <hendrixski> so backporting it to dapper means it would be around for longer than the support time of feisty
[09:20] <tgm4883> yea, feisty will get you into the next LTS, Gutsy will get you into 2009.  If your using LTS, wouldn't you upgrade at the next LTS?
[09:20] <superm1> okay i'm back.  keescook did you see in -devel what Riddell said?  I'm hoping that the TB does approve this.  I'm not sure what other convincing will still be necessary after my last mail to them
[09:21] <tgm4883> expecially combined with the advances in hardware detection in gutsy
[09:21] <tgm4883> and feisty
[09:23] <hendrixski> cool, the hardware detection includes tuners, right?
[09:23] <tgm4883> yep
[09:23] <tgm4883> wait
[09:23] <tgm4883> just to be clear, im talking about ubuntu detecting the hardware, not mythtv
[09:24] <hendrixski> oh, k
[09:24] <tgm4883> hopefully, mythbuntu can auto detect hardware for mythtv in 7.10 + 1
[09:25] <hendrixski> good deal
[09:25] <hendrixski> now, mythbuntu will come out the same time as gutsy, right?
[09:25] <hendrixski> or will there be a delay?
[09:25] <superm1> depends on the release date of 0.21
[09:26] <superm1> if it is going to be far off, then it will come out same time as gutsy
[09:26] <superm1> if it is a month or so different
[09:26] <hendrixski> ah, so mythbuntu will be tied to the mythtv release cycle, and not canonical?
[09:26] <superm1> then we'll go right after 0.21
[09:26] <superm1> well its still tied more to canonical
[09:26] <superm1> but mythtv 0.21 is big enough that i would say its worth of the delay
[09:27] <hendrixski> from what I've heard, that sounds like that's the case
[09:27] <hendrixski> lots of new features, etc. etc.
[09:27] <hendrixski> some serious branches that are still waiting to get merged.
[10:11] <keescook> sweet.  I'll pull and test feisty as soon as the builds are done
[10:12] <superm1> keescook, whoops on the version numbers, eh :)
[10:13] <keescook> superm1: yeah, I forgot about that bit due to the cross-pocket copying
[10:13] <cornell_work> BTW, Schedules Direct seems up and running and accepting registrations.
[10:14] <cornell_work> (And I hear good things about the mythbuntu interface to it ;-) )
[10:45] <henkpoley> Hi, i've migrated from an old Gentoo installation to a new Ubuntu based setup, but now mythfilldatabase isn't automatically run by the backend
[10:46] <henkpoley> Also running mythfilldatabase from cron doesn't seem to do anything
[10:46] <superm1> henkpoley, You need to set it up in a frontend
[10:46] <superm1> there is no cron job for it anymore
[10:46] <henkpoley> another one ?
[10:46] <superm1> because Zap2It didn't want it ran from cron
[10:46] <henkpoley> It runs a local frontend
[10:46] <henkpoley> I'm not in the US
[10:47] <henkpoley> I use grab_tv_nl an XMLTV grabber
[10:47] <superm1> well mythfilldatabase was removed from cron because of US users :)
[10:47] <superm1> in the frontend setup section
[10:47] <superm1> there is an area to setup to schedule regularly to fill the database
[10:47] <superm1> if you don't want to do it from there, then add a cron job for the mythtv user and you'll be fine
[10:47] <henkpoley> Ah, I had entered a /usr/bin/myth.. with crontab -e myself
[10:48] <henkpoley> I *have* set it up to run
[10:48] <superm1> its better to do from the fe though
[10:48] <henkpoley> It just doesn't run
[10:48] <superm1> can you already run it as your normal user?
[10:48] <superm1> have you tried?
[10:48] <seabag> hey laga if you're around i've got something interesting for you and superm1
[10:48] <henkpoley> yup, I run it from SSH and from a terminal under X
[10:49] <superm1> well there is no reason it *shouldn't* work from cron then :)
[10:49] <superm1> did you get a dead.letter explaining why it didn't?
[10:49] <henkpoley> I'd like the backend to run it btw
[10:49] <superm1> yea then just configure it in the FE, and that schedules it to do in the BE
[10:49] <henkpoley> I know, I did that, it doesn't run..
[10:50] <henkpoley> Is there anywhere besides the dev-ML where I could ask?
[10:50] <henkpoley> someone with XMLTV experience here
[10:50] <superm1> well have you checked the backend log?
[10:51] <superm1> to see if it tried to launch
[10:51] <superm1> but just didn't work
[10:51] <superm1> or something to that effect?
[10:51] <superm1> and do you need to have something like a .xmltv directory for that xmltv grabber to work normally?
[10:51] <superm1> if so, then you will want to add such directory to the mythtv user
[10:51] <henkpoley> I read that there was some change in the -fixes branches that it requires some file to exist "for the grabber" (even though my grabber doesn't need, nor generate, that file)
[10:52] <superm1> hm didn't hear of that myself.
[10:52] <henkpoley> yes I have a .xmltv directory
[10:52] <henkpoley> well something with a bug report of a guy with multiple frequency setups
[10:52] <henkpoley> so they now have different -forced- config files for all the different grabbers
[10:53] <henkpoley> multiple different cable connections I mean
[10:53] <henkpoley> so they each have differenct channels, that need different grabbers
[10:53] <superm1> well i can't say i can comment much there myself - as i'm US bound
[10:53] <henkpoley> I just don't know what the file should be named
[10:54] <henkpoley> tried about 4 names
[10:54] <superm1> you can ask some of the overseas guys perhaps: laga Daviey jono
[10:54] <henkpoley> like '.xmltv/tv_grab_nl' etc.
[10:54] <Daviey> what have i voluntered to do?
[10:54] <henkpoley> hehe
[10:56] <henkpoley> Currently I have a .xmltv/tv_grab_nl.conf
[10:57] <henkpoley> btw, the backend logs show no errors with mythfilldatabase
[10:57] <henkpoley> the mythfilldatabase log stays empty
[11:00] <Daviey> henkpoley: how are you calling it?
[11:01] <henkpoley> Like the backend does (?)
[11:01] <henkpoley> Or from the commandline like: $ mythfilldatabase
[11:01] <Daviey> ah.. i manually cron mythfilldatavase
[11:02] <henkpoley> My old setup did everything by itself, which meant it ran when the system was online
[11:02] <henkpoley> ...and not when it was shutdown
[11:02] <henkpoley> (tried to run when it was shutdown)
[11:02] <Daviey> if you manually call the mythfilldatabase does it work?
[11:03] <henkpoley> If I call it from the commandline it works, yes
[11:04] <henkpoley> But it gets kind of long in the tooth to do that every 4 days..
[11:05] <Daviey> then add it as a cron job?
[11:05] <Daviey> then it will do it automatically.. that's how i do it
[11:06] <henkpoley> Doesn't cron try to run it at a set time, and when it couldn't that, it doesn't run at all
[11:07] <Daviey> anacron ftw
[11:08] <Daviey> If it misses it, will do it on reboot
[11:08] <Daviey> *boot
[11:09] <henkpoley> Is the 'cron' package on Ubuntu just a dummy package, or do I need to figure out if regular cron takes preference over anacron (which is also already installed on my system)
[11:13] <Daviey> no
[11:13] <Daviey> but AIUI anacron providers the /etc/cron.daily etc... Just drop a shell script in there and it will do it daily
[11:14] <Daviey> normally 6:00am - or when the server is on
[11:16] <Daviey> in /etc/cron.daily i have:
[11:16] <henkpoley> Can I just run mythfilldatabase, or does it need QT libs specified or something?
[11:16] <Daviey> #!/bin.sh
[11:16] <Daviey> su mythtv -c "mythfilldatabase --quiet"
[11:17] <Daviey> (which basically makes it run as user mythtv, rather than root)
[11:17] <Daviey> erm.. shouldn't do
[11:18] <Daviey>  < Daviey> #!/bin.sh  *should* be: #!/bin/sh (obv)
[11:18] <henkpoley> Okay, will try that
[11:19] <Daviey> remember to `chmod + x thescript.sh`
[11:19] <henkpoley> already doing that :-)
[11:22] <henkpoley> Is there any setting for cron so it can mail me, or does it end up in some logfile?
[11:22] <henkpoley> there is no /var/log/cron
[11:23] <Daviey> I think you can just add an echo "myth's listings done" and it will email that to root@localhost
[11:24] <henkpoley> which means you need exim4 or something running..
[11:24] <Daviey> not for simple mail
[11:24] <henkpoley> oh, then how do you open that mail?
[11:25] <Daviey> `sudo mail`
[11:26] <henkpoley> 'mail' from 'mailx' or 'mailutils' package?
[11:26] <Daviey> hmm
[11:26] <Daviey> prob mailutils
[11:27] <henkpoley> mailutils is a IMAP file editor afaik
[11:27] <Daviey> i don't know tbh
[11:27] <henkpoley> I've used that on a shared server account before
[11:27] <Daviey> probably provides the same binary
[11:28] <Daviey> ah
[11:28] <Daviey> use mailx
[11:28] <Daviey> mailx = "A simple mail user agent"
[11:28] <henkpoley> yeah, seems to be a 'mail reader' according to apt
[11:29] <henkpoley> pulls in postfix? hmkay..
[11:29] <henkpoley> Let's hope it works that way :-P
[11:29] <Daviey> aptitude or apt?
[11:29] <henkpoley> apt-get
[11:29] <Daviey> hmm
[11:30] <henkpoley> "No mail for root"
[11:31] <Daviey> aint ran yet.
[11:31] <Daviey>  cat /var/mail/$USER will do the same
[11:31] <henkpoley> 'anacron -f' doesn't do anything
[11:31] <henkpoley> should force the tasks to run
[11:32] <henkpoley> Will check tomorrow
[11:33] <Daviey> coool.. lemme know
[11:33] <henkpoley> Thanks for the help :-)
[11:33] <Daviey> np
[12:38] <bdmurray> superm1: I wanted to help out and test the feisty-proposed packages.  Is there anything I should be aware of before hand?
[12:38] <superm1> bdmurray, you need a SD account :)
[12:38] <superm1> that'd be about it
[12:39] <superm1> I wonder if the buildds have finished them yet
[12:40] <superm1> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mythtv/0.20.2-0ubuntu0.7.04~proposed1
[12:40] <superm1> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mythplugins/0.20.2-0ubuntu0.7.04~proposed1
[12:40] <superm1> i386 is building right now
[12:43] <superm1> bdmurray, if anything they might improve your HD situation, considering the lower memory usage :)
[12:44] <bdmurray> superm1: right, I saw the memory thing. ;)
[12:45] <bdmurray> Is there a preferred way to give SD feedback?
[12:47] <superm1> feedback upon the service?
[12:47] <superm1> they have a set of forums
[12:47] <superm1> at schedulesdirect.org
[01:12] <superm1> keescook, be glad your not on amd64, hasn't even started :)
[01:12] <keescook> hehe, yup, that's just my desktop.