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gnomefreakhas anyone seen apokryphos?10:31
Jucatognomefreak: #kubuntu-devel10:44
gnomefreakah ok ty10:48
Jucato(sorry my reply was 10 minutes late...)10:48
gnomefreakits all good10:49
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Mezcan anyone remember the factoid to give the reccomended hardware page? or remember the reccomended hardware page's url11:44
Jucato!hardware11:48
ubotuFor lists of supported hardware on Ubuntu see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupport11:48
Jucatolike that?11:48
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gnomefreakthat list needs to be updated last i looked ~1-2 months ago12:46
Garymeh, I feel left out, pici has a voice :'(  meh :-)01:02
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gnomefreakGary: i think only like 3 people can set you to access 501:26
gnomefreakanyone with 30 or higher i thought01:26
Garyafaik, it's onle sev01:26
Garyerm only...01:27
Garyoh yeah, it's 30 here, so only three people01:28
gnomefreakping one of them for voice01:29
GaryI could, the only person who can do both here and -offtopic is Seveaz though, and he might be busy01:33
Mezseveas, nalioth, apokryphos, hobbsee01:34
Mezoh, both? nvm01:34
Picinow look what you did01:35
Amaranth!envy01:35
ubotuenvy is a script that may leave you envious of those who have not used it, use the resticted manager to install binary drivers or use the instructions on the wiki, this script may break your machine very badly!01:35
GaryMez, now she is gonna kick me :'(01:35
Mez?01:36
PiciThe woman with the pointy stick?01:37
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Mezyou DO know that 01:37
PiciSounds like a movie villian... like the man with the golden gun.01:37
Mez* Hobbsee :No such nick/channel01:37
Picioh.01:37
Garybut LongPointy Stick  is here, arghhh01:38
Garycunning use of a space there01:38
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ubotuJordan_U called the ops in #ubuntu01:52
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ubotuziroday called the ops in #ubuntu03:01
ubotuJordan_U called the ops in #ubuntu03:02
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Garyso did I but I failed :p03:02
ubotuJordan_U called the ops in #ubuntu03:03
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PriceChildJucato, trolls giving advice like rm -rf /, or chmod 777 /03:07
PriceChildI mean... "advice"03:07
Jucatoouch... :(03:07
HobbseePriceChild: chmod 777 / shouldnt be a problem, iirc.03:10
PriceChildyeah needs a recursive flag....? and sudo03:11
HobbseePriceChild: as in, probably not secure, but it wont lock them out of their data03:11
Hobbseewell, yeah, obviously03:11
PriceChildbut still... its begging for breakage03:11
Hobbseetrue03:11
Hobbseeyou'd be more worried with a chmod 000 /03:11
Hobbsee+ sudo +R03:11
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PriceChildCould someone take a look in #ubuntu ?03:24
PriceChildI just got told to "kick roland_" but have to run03:24
PriceChildI've given GNine a talking to several times about his attitude... don't be afraid to give him a timeout if he's the proble,03:24
PriceChild*problem.03:24
HobbseeMez: ?03:25
ubotuJordan_U called the ops in #ubuntu03:25
PriceChildmeh that did it03:25
PriceChild*really runs now*03:25
PriceChildI'm also getting a warning of spambots Hobbsee...03:26
Hobbseeoh dear03:26
Jordan_UThere has been a lot of trolling activity recently03:27
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gnomefreakJordan_U: because we removed a ton of bans03:27
gnomefreakwe == ompaul03:27
Jordan_Uahh03:28
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Garymeh03:28
Garywhats that for?03:28
HobbseePriceChild: hmmm?03:28
PriceChildbecause we love you03:28
PriceChild*hugs*03:28
Garyawww03:28
gnomefreakHobbsee: he keeps coming back 03:28
gnomefreak;)03:28
HobbseeGary: impending doom03:28
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PriceChildRight I'm really gone now.03:29
dressed_in_blackheh thanks PriceChild 03:29
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HobbseeGary: what did Mez want?03:32
Garyto get you to beat me up03:32
Garyas you di03:32
Garyerm did03:32
Hobbseeoh right03:32
Garywe were talking as to who can set my access in here and offtopic, only Seveas can do both03:33
HobbseeGary: but you dont get ops in -offtopic.  this was settled long ago.03:34
GaryHobbsee, erm, as of the vote the otherday?03:35
Hobbseeyou can only have them in #ubuntu03:35
Hobbseeyes, and before that03:35
Garyoh I'm lost now, they said a trial ops in -offtopic to see how I done03:35
Hobbseeno, no, no03:36
Hobbseehow are we supposed to kickban you and forward you to ##windows if you actually *have* ops yourself?03:36
Hobbseethat means you could attack back.03:36
Garybest clarify with ompaul and/or seveas03:36
GaryHobbsee, hehe03:36
Garymoo :p03:36
Hobbseeisnt this simple?03:36
GaryHobbsee, you is evil03:36
GaryHobbsee, go to #colchester-lug please03:36
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Hobbseehah. 03:37
Hobbseeso you can kick me?03:37
Garywell dur03:37
mc44oh dear, who got high and made Gary an op03:37
Garywoo so much support :p03:37
Hobbseemc44: no one yet, i hope03:37
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Garyi'm gonna go console myself with last nights leftover pizza :'(03:38
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Garynice nick andrewb03:39
dressed_in_blackThis was my original nick03:39
dressed_in_black/ns info it03:39
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dressed_in_blackyearrrs old03:40
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dressed_in_blackloll03:41
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maxamilliono.O;03:43
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Garyright, woo, how to make me scared03:43
Garyplease, never again03:44
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Hobbseehaha03:45
maxamillionHobbsee: you dev for kubuntu right?03:46
Hobbseemaxamillion: yes03:46
maxamillionHobbsee: kubunut comes with kppp by default, right?03:46
maxamillions/kubunut/kubuntu03:46
Hobbseemaxamillion: yes03:47
maxamillionHobbsee: ok, awesome ... i asked in #kubuntu earlier but i just wanted to double check03:47
maxamillionthankies :)03:47
Hobbseeno problem03:47
Jucatoapparently he didn't trust my answer enough :)03:48
maxamillionJucato: lol03:49
maxamillionJucato: i didn't realize you were in here too, if i would have i wouldn't have double checked ... its just that some community members have been wrong on default apps in the past so i figured i would ask a dev03:50
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Jucatoheheh no problem with that. never hurts to double check of course :03:51
Jucato:)03:51
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ubotuJack_Sparrow called the ops in #ubuntu04:29
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HobbseePici: you have ops there?05:14
Hobbseeproblem solved.05:14
gnomefreakHobbsee: him and gary both do afaik05:15
Hobbseegary doesnt yet05:15
GaryI don't :'(  not yet05:15
HobbseeGary: got vetoed :P05:15
GaryHobbsee won't allow it :p05:15
gnomefreakoh05:15
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Hobbseehow are we supposed to kickban you and forward you to ##windows if you actually *have* ops yourself?05:16
Hobbseethat means you could attack back.05:16
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GaryHobbsee, but I'm not so vindictive05:16
GaryPriceChild, whats /cs clear do?05:18
Gary:p05:18
PriceChildGary, /cs help clear05:19
PriceChildAnd don't worry, I can't do it :P05:19
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ubotuJamesinator called the ops in #ubuntu06:07
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elkbuntuwho votes trypglyph is trolling?06:18
Pici75% of me thinks he is, 25% thinks hes just clueless.06:20
elkbuntuPici, now is when you back up a fellow op06:25
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mc44Pici too! have you all gone mad? :P06:30
PriceChildone day mc44, one day.06:37
Picielkbuntu: sorry, I was afk.06:42
Pici:(06:42
PiciWell.  I guess thats that. Or, at least I hope so.06:46
elkbuntuhttp://pastebin.ca/67250906:48
Picielkbuntu: http://pastebin.ca/672515 was the previous discussion he was talking about if you're interested.06:56
Garyelkbuntu, you have lots of patience06:57
elkbuntuGary, i knew it was heading there the minute he took it to PM07:04
elkbuntuactually, i lie. i knew it was going there the minute he ranted after topyli corrected himself07:08
Tm_Ttopyli <307:10
Garyyeah07:11
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mneptoknew laptop dance!07:37
mneptok_o/07:37
mneptok\o_07:37
mneptok\o/07:37
Piciwooo07:37
mneptokbut no sound through internal speakers.07:38
mneptoki need to look into that, i guess.07:38
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Picimneptok: gutsy?07:38
mneptokyeah07:38
mneptokgot a 4965BGN that needs Gutsy07:39
mneptokBGN? AGN? whatever. the latest Intel Santa Rosa N.07:39
PiciSound is a bit broken currently in 2.6.22-1007:39
PiciAt least for intel_hda type cards07:40
mneptokyeah, which is why i say "i guess."07:40
mneptoki'll prolly just wait for other people to do the Launchpad typing. because i suck.07:40
PiciThe bugs are already logged.07:40
Garymneptok, you suck?07:41
PiciI fell back to 2.6.22-9 for the time being.07:42
mneptokGary: stay off the garlic for a few days prior and we'll talk money.07:42
Garymneptok, O_O :p07:42
Garyhaha07:42
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ubotuIn ubotu, Arwen said: root is Do not try to guess the root password, that is impossible. Instead, realise the truth.. there is no root password. Then you will see that it is sudo that grants you access and not the root password. Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo08:11
Pici!root08:11
ubotudo not try to guess the root password, that is impossible. Instead, realise the truth.. there is no root password. Then you will see that it is sudo that grants you access and not the root password. Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo08:11
Picido->Do08:11
PriceChild!-root08:11
uboturoot has no aliases - added by Seveas on 2006-06-18 01:18:2808:11
ompaul!root08:12
ubotudo not try to guess the root password, that is impossible. Instead, realise the truth.. there is no root password. Then you will see that it is sudo that grants you access and not the root password. Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo08:12
PriceChildfixed08:12
ompaulahh08:12
ompaul!root08:12
ubotuDo not try to guess the root password, that is impossible. Instead, realise the truth.. there is no root password. Then you will see that it is sudo that grants you access and not the root password. Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo08:12
naliothi don't like that factoid08:13
naliothit's adversarial08:13
pleia2I agree08:13
PriceChildIts also very long08:14
naliothi think we should go for a !root factoid that explains how the sudo model is better (and is the way Ubuntu was designed), and how 'sudo passwd' will botch up things08:14
ompaul!root this is not the root you are looking for08:15
ompaul?08:15
ubotuIn #ubuntu-ops, ompaul said: !root this is not the root you are looking for08:15
ompaulhehe08:15
ompaulright I leave it08:15
pleia2maybe something as simple as "By default, the root account password is locked in Ubuntu, use the sudo command to perform system maintenance, more information at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo"08:16
pleia2too many commas, but something like that08:16
naliothpleia2: but there is no root password in a default install08:18
naliothit's not locked, it isn't there08:18
PriceChildBy default, the root account password is locked in Ubuntu. This means that you can not log in as root, nor use 'su'. Instead, you must use 'sudo ' to prefix commands. This has many advantages which you can read about here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo See also !gksudo for launching graphical apps as root.08:18
PriceChildbah that's huge...08:18
pleia2nalioth: the wiki needs to be updated then :) I copied from there08:18
pleia2PriceChild: that's not bad, I think such an important thing can be longish08:19
Pici!gksudo08:20
ubotuIf you need to run graphical applications as root, use  gksudo , as it will set up the environment more appropriately. Avoid ever using  sudo <GUI-application>  See http://psychocats.net/ubuntu/graphicalsudo for more info08:20
PiciI think the 'by default' should be changed to 'For security reasons'.  Just my 2c.08:22
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ompauldatabuddy and his room mate both run gutsy - and they are having "problems" with cups 08:40
ompaulnasty ones from the sounds of it08:40
PiciWho is databuddy? 08:42
ompaulPici, some other day ;-) 08:44
gnomefreakmaybe because gutsy isnt using cups anymore its something else cant remember08:44
gnomefreakSPCmaybe08:44
ompaulgnomefreak, coolllllll08:44
tonyyarussoWhy would we drop cups?08:45
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voraistoshey08:45
PriceChildHi voraistos, how can we help?08:45
voraistoscan someone uban me now ?08:45
PriceChildOne minute while I look at logs.08:45
voraistosi kinda fucked up yesterday08:45
PriceChildAnd please watch your language :)08:45
gnomefreakatleast i thought it was changed08:45
voraistossorry :P08:46
gnomefreakompaul: system-config-printer i think is default in gutsy08:47
gnomefreaki was close08:47
PriceChildvoraistos, you "suggested" a command in a public channel that would wipe the entire system of whoever used it.08:47
voraistoswow. alwi know08:47
voraistosbut i didnt do it on purpose08:47
voraistosi explained already08:47
voraistosforget the first line (i was actually talking to smo in the real world :P08:48
PriceChildI'm sorry you've confused me.08:48
voraistos" wow. alwi know" -< just forget about that08:49
voraistos:P08:49
PriceChildOk I'm with you now.08:49
PriceChildBut how can you type something like that without meaning to?08:49
ompaulmagical powers?08:49
voraistoswell, that guy wanted to get rid of some files the hard way (root was needed)08:50
ompaul!root08:50
ubotuDo not try to guess the root password, that is impossible. Instead, realise the truth.. there is no root password. Then you will see that it is sudo that grants you access and not the root password. Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo08:50
voraistosso i added the -rf extra to what a previous guy said08:50
ompauldude never ever suggest that root is needed08:50
voraistosi didnt suggest that !08:50
ompaulvoraistos> well, that guy wanted to get rid of some files the hard way (root was needed)08:50
voraistosby root i was meaning sudo08:50
voraistosroot access rights :P08:51
PriceChildand I guess that by sudo rm -rf /* you meant something else08:51
ompaulirc does not translate what you mean into what I understand08:51
voraistoswell, the thing is,08:51
voraistosi didnt mean /** the bash way08:51
voraistosi was just meaning whatever path to file*08:51
PriceChildvoraistos, The ban has harldy lasted 24 hours, I'd suggest you come back in a couple of days.08:52
voraistosi said damn and was about to apologize, but i was banned08:52
PriceChildhmm08:52
voraistoswell, the protocol says 24 hours :P08:52
voraistoshey come on08:52
PriceChildahh I see you in my backlog08:52
PriceChildone minute08:52
voraistosi havent been on the channel for a long time08:53
voraistosbut i used to give quite a lot of support08:53
PriceChildvoraistos, I have a very big backlog08:53
voraistoslol08:53
PriceChildgimme a minute for discussion please08:53
voraistoskk08:53
PriceChildvoraistos, we are going to remove the ban, please be careful in what you type, IRC does not translate meaning something but typing something else well ;-)08:57
voraistosok :)08:57
voraistosthank you08:57
voraistosyou dont remember me , do you ?08:57
PriceChildHave fun.08:58
PriceChildI remember you from my backlog earlier... but nope I don't. Toooo many people on irc.08:58
voraistosfair enough :P08:58
voraistosi used to have my own channel to help people08:59
voraistosbecause the main channel was just sooo busy08:59
PriceChildAnything else we can help you with voraistos?09:02
voraistoserr no :)09:29
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manchickenHey, I've got someone in #kubuntu giving newbies commands that cause forkbombs.09:47
manchickencombo_ in #kubuntu09:47
jribmanchicken: call !ops there09:47
ubotumanchicken called the ops in #kubuntu09:47
Tm_TMINE!09:48
manchickenThanks, I didn't know about that.09:49
manchickenGood day folks.09:49
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PriceChildHi bony, how can we help?10:06
bonyi think my nick is blocked by ubuntu channel10:06
PriceChildOne moment.10:06
PriceChildbony, you have been banforwarded into #ubuntu-read-topic10:06
PriceChildSo please go there and read the topic :)10:06
bonyPriceChild,  well i have read the help page10:07
bonybut it was of no use10:07
bonymy nick bony is blocked10:07
PriceChildTo condense it down into a line...10:07
PriceChildPlease reconnect to freenode on port 8001 then come here and ask to be tested for the dcc exploit.10:08
bonyPriceChild, hmm ok i will do that and will be back10:08
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PriceChildWhen he comes back I'll ask him what part of the instructions he had trouble with...10:09
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bonyPriceChild, hi now i am back after changing the settings10:11
bonyi still get redirected to ubuntu-read-topic10:11
PriceChildOk10:12
PriceChildif you read https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixDCCExploit it explains that you are NOT automatically allowed back into #ubuntu10:12
PriceChildbony, congratulations you have passed the test.10:12
PriceChildI will remove the banforward now.10:13
bonyPriceChild, thank u a lot :-)10:13
PriceChildHowever could you give me a few moments to tell me what you found difficult about the instructions so that we may improve them for others?10:13
bonywell first thing was that i was in panic when i could connect to #ubuntu10:13
bonyso i missed the name of the the channel to which i was redirected10:14
PriceChildand you didn't read the topic either?10:14
bonybut when i read about ubuntu-ops i though this would be the right place10:14
bonybut then when i saw the topic every thing was fine10:14
robpeople read topics?10:14
PriceChildBut if you didn't see the name... or read the topic... then how did you know you weren't in #ubuntu ?10:14
bonyyes i didn't read the topic10:14
mc44rob: every time you don't read the topic, god kills a lolcat10:15
bonyPriceChild, well it was simple by seeing the users there were very few users on the right site of xchat window10:15
PriceChildRight..10:15
bonyso i guessed that something is wrong and then i saw the channel name and then the topic10:15
bony:-)10:15
robmc44, so he should, but I hear those things don't have a great life expectancy too10:15
PriceChildbony, so you instantly joined the channel mentioned in the topic but didn't read the rest of it?10:16
bonywell yes10:16
PriceChildOk thanks.10:16
bonyyou are welcome10:16
PriceChildIs there anything else we can help you with?10:16
bonywell right now there isn't anything that is wrong well i would like to learn about nickserv and chanserv some time later i will be back :-)10:17
bonythanks for assisting me PriceChild 10:17
PriceChild#freenode for that10:18
bonyok10:18
PriceChildheads up - Randall in #ubuntu *watches*10:18
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PriceChildThat proves it.10:19
PriceChildright there10:19
PriceChildPeople are idiots. *head desks*10:19
PriceChildCould we make it any easier? :(10:22
GaryPriceChild, hehe10:22
mc44PriceChild: you could set a bot to send a script via dcc that automatically reconfigures the popular clients ;P10:25
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mneptokSatan must get this a lot.10:54
mneptok"I'm banned from #heaven. What happened?"10:54
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mneptok"Did you read the commandments?"10:54
PriceChildlol :)10:55
mneptok"The what-now? Sorry, I'mm busy eating this baby ..."10:55
mneptok"The commandments were pretty clear ..."10:55
mneptok"I JUST WANT A HALO AND WINGS WHY DOES THIS HAVE TO BE SO HARD?!?!?"10:55
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ShockSMXwhy is freenode redirecting me away from #ubuntu?11:33
naliothShockSMX: do you have any clues?11:35
jribShockSMX: did you read the topic in #ubuntu-read-topic?11:48
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PriceChildShockSMX, Hello there?12:18
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pppoe_dudehi12:32
Picihi?12:32
pppoe_dudehow come my blimpdude nickname is forwarding to #ubuntu-readtopic?12:32
PiciDid you read the topic?12:33
pppoe_dudeyes12:33
pppoe_dudebut my pppoe_dude nickname doesn't do that12:33
pppoe_dudeonly my blimpdude one12:33
PriceChildpppoe_dude, because we banforward on nicks12:33
PriceChildpppoe_dude, please reconnect on port 8001 anyway12:34
PriceChildand ask for a test12:34
pppoe_dudek12:34
pppoe_dudewill do that later when im done12:34
pppoe_dudethx\12:34
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PriceChildpppoe_dude, you are vulnerable now12:34
PriceChildI wonder if it would be ok to banforward that him again?12:34
PriceChildseen as it is kind of ban evasion...12:35
Picion ppoe_dude?12:35
PriceChildYeah12:35
PiciI'd say it would be fair to do that.12:35
naliothbanforwarding nicks is not wise12:35
PriceChildyeah12:35
PriceChildhmm i'll change my alias12:36
tonyyarussoI thought we wanted that, since a lot of people will have dynamic IPs and return much later?12:37
naliothtonyyarusso: cloaks12:37
naliothpppoe_dude was using a different nick when he got caught12:37
tonyyarussoWhat about when they don't have a cloak?12:38
jribwell, we could just ban both12:39
PriceChildDoes "/cs kf somenick somechan" work for others with chanserv.py ?12:42
PriceChildfor me it just kicks and doesn't set the forward grr12:42
PriceChildit won't let me banforward to -read-topic but will to shorter names grr12:49
Picishorner names with dashes?12:50
PriceChildaha12:51
Picier, shorter.12:51
=== nalioth plugs PriceChild into a electric company transformer so his light bulb will go brighter
PriceChildwait... hmm...12:52
PriceChildits almost 12 i'm slowing down...12:52
PriceChildno :(12:53
PriceChildyes12:54
PriceChildone - and it doesn't work, but -- together and it did work which confused me a minute12:55
Picihmm12:55
ShockSMXnalioth / jrib / PriceChild : my bad, it was probably because i was trying to join with a clone12:58
PriceChildShockSMX, pardon?12:58
ShockSMXi'm already in #ubuntu on a different computer, but same ip12:58
PiciShockSMX: You were banforwarded to the -read-topic channel for a different reason than that.12:59
PriceChildgrr12:59
PriceChildShockSMX, did you read the topic in the aptly named.... #ubuntu-read-topic ?12:59
ShockSMXPici: really? what's the reason?12:59
ShockSMXPriceChild: yeah. and switched to port 800112:59
PriceChildShockSMX, ok and the next bit says for you to ask for a test.12:59
PriceChildso would you like a test? :)12:59
PiciShockSMX: Okay, well we need to manually remove that ban, so you can connect to #ubuntu on the proper computer.12:59
ShockSMXah, so i'm on some perm-redirect list until taken off by you guys?01:00
PriceChildindeed01:00
ShockSMXokay01:00
PiciShockSMX: Yes, unfortunately, this is a manual process, not automatic :/01:00
ShockSMXokay01:00
PriceChildSo are you going to ask for a test?01:00
ShockSMXyes01:01
PriceChildcongrats01:01
ShockSMXthanks01:01
PriceChildYou may now rejoing #ubuntu01:01
ShockSMXi will consider this action01:02
PriceChildIs there anything else that we can help you with here?01:02
ShockSMXno thank you01:03
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naliothPriceChild: you forget to offer the fries with that01:03
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PriceChild:)01:03

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