[01:08] <s-x-u> but why is it that one thinkpad works and another not did they change hardware or something inside the same model
[01:09] <tetragon> IBM does multiple variants of models
[01:09] <tetragon> Now, where does Ubuntu put the usual kernel framebuffer mode docs?
[01:09] <s-x-u> you already send an email to ibm it is a great supporter of unix and linux so maybe you get help ?
[01:10] <tetragon> For a thinkpad "Designed for Microsoft Windows Me"?
[01:10] <s-x-u> i search on your own qeustion
[01:11] <tetragon> I've referred to this file on Debian systems in the past
[01:13] <atarinox> any good games in the repos that would run on my older 600mhz/128mb laptop?
[01:13] <tetragon> atarinox: nethack
[01:13] <s-x-u> many bugs in launch pad on your quest...
[01:13] <atarinox> is that a hacking simulation game?
[01:13] <tetragon> atarinox: Nope
[01:14] <tetragon> atarinox: And the console build is much better than the tiled ones
[01:14] <atarinox> ok ill give it a try
[01:15] <atarinox> any others you can think of?
[01:15] <cheeseboy> The following packages have been kept back:
[01:15] <cheeseboy> i get that wen i try apt-get upgrade
[01:15] <tetragon> There's always the assortment in the bsdgames package
[01:15] <cheeseboy> what do i do?
[01:15] <tetragon> cheeseboy: What are you trying to do?
[01:15] <s-x-u> tetragon: what is the exact model im looking on the ibm site
[01:15] <cheeseboy> apt-get upgrade ..
[01:16] <tetragon> cheeseboy: What, precisely, are you trying to do?  What are your objectives?
[01:16] <tetragon> s-x-u: 1161-45U
[01:17] <TheSheep> atarinox: battle for Wesnoth
[01:17] <TheSheep> atarinox: excellent game
[01:17] <cheeseboy> tetragon: update all my aps ..
[01:17] <TheSheep> atarinox: you can also get the snes, gameboy and gameboy advance emulators
[01:18] <tetragon> cheeseboy: As you would see from the manpage apt-get(8), packages that are held back would require changes to the status of another package.  What to do about that is also contained in the manpage
[01:19] <atarinox> TheSheep: there are emulators in the repos?
[01:19] <TheSheep> !info zsnes
[01:19] <ubotu> zsnes: Emulator of the Super Nintendo Entertainment System (TM). In component multiverse, is optional. Version 1.420-2.1ubuntu1 (feisty), package size 513 kB, installed size 3232 kB (Only available for i386)
[01:19] <tetragon> Ah, found a copy of the file I was looking for
[01:19] <TheSheep> !info snes9x
[01:19] <ubotu> Package snes9x does not exist in feisty, feisty-seveas
[01:20] <TheSheep> !info snes9x-sdl
[01:20] <ubotu> Package snes9x-sdl does not exist in feisty, feisty-seveas
[01:20] <TheSheep> :/
[01:20] <TheSheep> !info visualboyadvance
[01:20] <ubotu> visualboyadvance: a full featured Game Boy Advance emulator. In component universe, is extra. Version 1.7.2-6 (feisty), package size 581 kB, installed size 2260 kB
[01:20] <TheSheep> !info mednafen
[01:20] <ubotu> mednafen: multi-platform emulator, including NES, GB/A, Lynx, PC Engine. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.6.5-1 (feisty), package size 1105 kB, installed size 3300 kB
[01:21] <TheSheep> atarinox: etc. you get amiga, atari and zx spectrum too
[01:22] <atarinox> TheSheep: cool, thanks ill check em out
[01:23] <s-x-u> tetragon: is this correct ? http://www-307.ibm.com/pc/support/site.wss/quickPath.do?quickPathEntry=116145u&sitestyle=lenovo
[01:24] <tetragon> s-x-u: Yes
[01:24] <s-x-u> already have the latest bios ?
[01:25] <s-x-u> it is all win stuff:-(
[01:25] <tetragon> s-x-u: And Me was blown away a couple days ago
[01:26] <tetragon> s-x-u: I have it booting, but nothing involving graphics works at this point
[01:30] <s-x-u> And Me was blown away a couple days ago ....... where ?
[01:30] <tetragon> Windows ME
[01:31] <s-x-u> ok
[01:31] <s-x-u> so win has also problems with your machine ?
[01:31] <tetragon> I have no idea.  This isn't my machine
[01:35] <s-x-u> you can at least(?) ask a question about installing xubutu 7.04 on that site and also blame them that it doesnt work out of the box
[01:36] <tetragon> s-x-u: This laptop likely went out of production before Ubuntu even existed.
[01:36] <s-x-u> ibm is a big supporter of unix linux so maybe they help because of bad publicity ...
[01:36] <s-x-u> :-D
[01:37] <tetragon> What, that an OS that's a few years newer than some out-of-production hardware doesn't work without some tweaks?  I don't think that their older Thinkpads are their highest priority
[01:39] <s-x-u> dont think that intelligent play the stupid customer :)
[01:39] <s-x-u> what do you have to loose ?
[01:40] <s-x-u> hihi
[01:40] <tetragon> I think I'll handle this my way.  First disable X, then fix the X config.  I could hardly care less about boot splashes
[01:42] <s-x-u> you do that you report here ? im readding
[01:46] <tetragon> ?  When did less start displaying colour when viewing manpages?
[01:47] <bigfuzzyjesus> tetragon, no idea, i never really read manpages :D
[01:50] <s-x-u> http://unixhelp.ed.ac.uk/CGI/man-cgi?less
[01:50] <tetragon> s-x-u: I generally disable stuff like colour, as it doesn't always travel well across terminals
[01:51] <tetragon> Anyhow, X is working now that I switched the driver from vesa to trident
[01:51] <s-x-u> hey...
[01:52] <tetragon> Since this laptop appears to have difficulties with vesa graphics, I'll simply disable the bootsplash.
[01:54] <s-x-u> it has a trident cyberblade in it reading de specs
[01:56] <tetragon> s-x-u: Why do you think I switched to trident?
[01:57] <s-x-u> you also readed the specs ? :)
[02:00] <s-x-u> so you can boot and you have a gui and you can install ?
[02:00] <tetragon> s-x-u: I booted and installed a couple days ago
[02:00] <tetragon> It was just convincing the install to boot and work
[02:01] <tetragon> I'm still working on the getting the install to work
[02:02] <s-x-u> ok that is the story bad memory mixed with other stories
[02:03] <s-x-u> what is the next problem you are facing ?
[02:03] <tetragon> The little desktop "niceties" that some people like, such as bringing up the network interface without using a terminal
[02:06] <s-x-u> and make a bookmark to the linux tutorials for beginners ?
[02:07] <tetragon> And testing out all the hardware
[02:08] <s-x-u> im boring and i need to sleep i have to work tomorrow so i leave this nice channel / the thinkpad owner should buy suppport contract by you ;-)
[02:10] <s-x-u> thanks for the nice story and happy about to know it works for so far after all the problems
[02:10] <s-x-u> zzz...
[03:27] <cheeseboy> http://rafb.net/p/jqPX1t17.html anyone know how id fix that?
[03:35] <TheSheep> cheeseboy: run 'sudo /etc/init.d/cupsys start'
[03:38] <cheeseboy> TheSheep didnt help
[03:39] <TheSheep> cheeseboy: what did it say?
[03:39] <cheeseboy> nothing
[03:39] <TheSheep> that's weird
[03:39] <cheeseboy> TheSheep i dont even have a printer but i still cant purge it
[03:42] <TheSheep> cheeseboy: I guess you could hack a little -- look into /var/lib/dpkg/info/cupsys.postrem and comment out the line that fails
[03:42] <pilibeen> i'm having trouble changing read/write permissions on a mount point i created for my local network.../media/network. whether i try as user or root i still get permission denied
[03:43] <TheSheep> pilibeen: maybe the remote host doesn't allow you to change the permissions?
[03:44] <cheeseboy> TheSheep: /var/lib/dpkg/info/cupsys.postrem is empty
[03:44] <TheSheep> cheeseboy: maybe .prerm then
[03:45] <TheSheep> cheeseboy: it's rm, not rem, sorry
[03:46] <TheSheep> cheeseboy: handle with care
[03:46] <cheeseboy> TheSheep: comment out this http://rafb.net/p/R7mfuD78.html ?
[03:47] <TheSheep> cheeseboy: yes
[03:47] <TheSheep> make sure the cupsys is not running
[03:47] <TheSheep> before uninstalling it
[03:48] <cheeseboy> so comment it oout then purge cupsys?
[03:49] <TheSheep> comment it out, then make sure it's not running (kill it manually if it is), then purge cupsys
[03:50] <cheeseboy> dpkg: error processing cupsys (--purge):
[03:50] <cheeseboy>  Package is in a very bad inconsistent state - you should
[03:50] <cheeseboy>  reinstall it before attempting a removal.
[03:51] <TheSheep> well
[03:52] <TheSheep> reinstall :)
[03:52] <cheeseboy> then i get the error i pastebined u] 
[03:53] <TheSheep> cheeseboy: even after commenting out these lines?
[03:53] <cheeseboy> TheSheep: yes
[03:53] <TheSheep> cheeseboy: did you save?
[03:53] <cheeseboy> yes
[03:53] <cheeseboy> want me to pastebin you the whole edited file?
[03:53] <TheSheep> cheeseboy: it's exactly the same error?
[03:53] <TheSheep> yes, please
[03:55] <cheeseboy> http://rafb.net/p/1HcB4A17.html
[03:59] <TheSheep> cheeseboy: is there also a postrm?
[04:00] <cheeseboy> TheSheep: yes
[04:01] <TheSheep> but the error says clearly: pre-removal script returned error exit status 1
[04:01] <cheeseboy> yes..
[04:01] <TheSheep> maybe the script is cached somewhere? :/
[04:01] <cheeseboy> TheSheep: how would i tell :/
[04:02] <TheSheep> cheeseboy: are you sure the new error is exactly the same as the old one?
[04:02] <TheSheep> cheeseboy: I mean http://rafb.net/p/jqPX1t17.html
[04:02] <cheeseboy> yes
[04:04] <TheSheep> cheeseboy: try commenting out the whole script
[04:08] <cheeseboy> TheSheep: now i get chown: cannot access `/var/run/cups': No such file or directory
[04:08] <TheSheep> cheeseboy: create it
[04:09] <TheSheep> cheeseboy: wait, in which script?
[04:10] <cheeseboy> pre-installation
[04:10] <cheeseboy> but making dir seems to be working
[04:10] <TheSheep> great
[04:11] <TheSheep> what script did such a mess of cups?
[04:11] <TheSheep> automatix?
[04:11] <cheeseboy> gusty
[04:12] <TheSheep> cheeseboy: you interrputed installation of packages/
[04:12] <TheSheep> ?
[04:12] <TheSheep> cheeseboy: it was actually missing files
[04:13] <cheeseboy> i had a power failure during upgrade
[04:14] <cheeseboy> woot more errors with different packages now
[04:14] <TheSheep> yup
[04:15] <TheSheep> cheeseboy: I guess it doesn't count as stable anymore
[04:15] <cheeseboy> i gotten through like 1/4 the packages
[04:16] <cheeseboy> its like a puzzle
[04:17] <TheSheep> cheeseboy: not all errors were detected
[04:17] <TheSheep> cheeseboy: dpkg only checks for exsitence, not if the file was truncated
[04:18] <cheeseboy> woot more fun
[04:20] <xjkx> Do you people agree that the difference between ubuntu and xubuntu is just the xfce/gnome ?
[04:21] <TheSheep> xjkx: no, it laso differs in colors
[04:21] <TheSheep> xjkx: and the default set of applications
[04:22] <TheSheep> plus, #ubuntu is much busier and harder to get help there :P
[04:22] <cheeseboy> even wen i used ubuntu i came here :-P
[04:22] <xjkx> TheSheep: I use xubuntu, what do you think will happen if i run apt-get install ubuntu-desktop ? Will i lose xfce/this default set of applications?
[04:22] <cheeseboy> no u wont
[04:22] <TheSheep> xjkx: no
[04:23] <TheSheep> xjkx: you will just get a lot of addtitional applications
[04:23] <xjkx> Then i'd have both xubuntu and ubuntu?
[04:23] <xjkx> :o
[04:23] <TheSheep> xjkx: well, some -gtk versions may be replaced with -gnome ones, I'm not sure
[04:23] <TheSheep> yes, you can
[04:23] <TheSheep> you can also add kubuntu to the mix
[04:23] <xjkx> :O
[04:24] <TheSheep> xjkx: then you can select at the login screen which one you want to login to
[04:24] <xjkx> TheSheep: I am afraid of doing that, because when I run apt-get remove ubuntu-desktop it will understand I want to remove some gtk applications, and maybe it removes some of my xubuntu appl :P
[04:25] <TheSheep> xjkx: no, it looks at the dependencies
[04:25] <xjkx> Uhmm sounds like I should give it a try :>
[04:25] <TheSheep> xjkx: xubuntu-desktop depends on the default xubuntu applications, as long as you don't uninstall it, none of these should be removed
[04:26] <cheeseboy> i just got my ubuntu cds today :)
[04:26] <TheSheep> xjkx: in the worst case, you can install them back, right?
[04:26] <xjkx> How long did it take cheeseboy ?
[04:26] <cheeseboy> and they came with stickers :)
[04:26] <TheSheep> cheeseboy: with stickers?
[04:26] <TheSheep> cheeseboy: cool
[04:26] <cheeseboy> 3 weeks
[04:26] <xjkx> TheSheep: in case I remember those I'd lose yes
[04:27] <TheSheep> xjkx: there are always logs
[04:27] <cheeseboy> i needed em cause my dvd drive broke it doesnt rwad dvds anymore :(
[04:27] <cheeseboy> read*
[04:28] <xjkx> Ah, I ran apt-get dist-upgrade and apt-get upgrade (after apt-get update) doing that everytime I'd never need to download a new cd with a new version right?
[04:28] <cheeseboy> now i got about 80 blank dvds going to waste :(
[04:28] <xjkx> cheeseboy: sell them :>
[04:29] <TheSheep> good night everyone
[04:29] <xjkx> night
[04:30] <cheeseboy> TheSheep: see you in your dreams
[04:30] <cheeseboy> :-P
[04:31] <xjkx> :o
[05:04] <foxray> whats the difference between unbuntu-system-tools and xubuntu-system-tools?
[10:35] <martinez> hi all
[10:35] <martinez> I have question.....
[10:36] <martinez> I have old comp: Intel x86 family 6 model 8 32-bit 133, 128MB, graphics S3 Inc. Savage4, disc 8GB.
[10:37] <martinez> Can I run safely and with good efficiency xubuntu on this?
[10:44] <martinez> thx thx thx :(
[12:32] <Ben_Cs> hello
[01:14] <hyper___ch> TheSheep: hello there, got a minute?
[01:14] <TheSheep> hyper___ch: sure
[01:15] <hyper___ch> hmmm, I have a bash script for backing up and I thought I could put at the end a simple "df" to show how much space aso is left... but that didn't work... any idea why?
[01:16] <hyper___ch> actually, when I think about it, I guess I know why :)
[01:18] <hyper___ch> I forgot I unset the PATH so I first actually had to define where df is ;)
[01:18] <hyper___ch> thx for the help
[01:20] <hyper___ch> hiho j1mc Jester45 kalikiana Pumpernickel
[01:20] <Jester45> hi
[01:20] <hyper___ch> first time since ages that I use IRSSI again :)
[01:21] <hyper___ch> Jester45: sleep is for mundanes... geeks don't need it
[01:21] <Jester45> its true
[01:22] <hyper___ch> Jester45: why you're up this late?
[01:23] <hyper___ch> Difficult question: iptables is activated by default right?
[01:26] <Jester45>  yes and no
[01:27] <Jester45> yes is activated but there are no rules
[01:27] <Jester45> so its doing nothing
[01:27] <hyper___ch> that's what I thought :)
[01:28] <kalikiana> hey hyper___ch, what's up?
[01:28] <Jester45> yea.... i was thinking about going to sleep but i decided that i would have to wake up in a few hours
[01:28] <kalikiana> And why do you have so many slashes?
[01:28] <hyper___ch> kalikiana: not much :) just had a little issue with a bash script
[01:28] <hyper___ch> kalikiana: slashes?
[01:29] <Jester45> hey... your not useing your normal client, you didnt auto join viddandme
[01:29] <Jester45> the ____
[01:29] <kalikiana> hyper___ch, yep, three slashes
[01:29] <hyper___ch> kalikiana: you mean underscores?  IMHO a slash is this ->   /
[01:29] <J__es__te__r4__5> or \
[01:30] <kalikiana> oh,
[01:30] <hyper___ch> J__es__te__r4__5: that's IRSSI that I use from work :)
[01:30] <kalikiana> it's underscores, yeah :P
[01:30] <hyper___ch> kalikiana: :) didn't know how many I currently had... so I just used 3 of them ;)
[01:31] <Jester45> you have 2
[01:31] <Jester45> 1*
[01:31] <hyper___ch> oh well, I won't be on for much longer... I need to get back to work
[01:31] <Jester45> no need for that
[01:31] <Jester45> but i do leave for school in a bit
[01:31] <Jester45> time to get my sleep
[01:32] <hyper___ch> ttyl :)
[01:32] <hyper___ch> *logoff*
[01:52] <loak> hello all
[02:07] <superkirbyartist> Who in here loves In The Groove or StepMania?
[02:10] <superkirbyartist> *yawns*
[02:12] <loak> I'm looking for some informations about cpufrequencies and governors with a pIII 500 copermine in a laptop omnibook, anybody konw somthing about that ?
[02:16] <Ed933> My printing is really wierd, can anyone help me?
[02:17] <Ed933> I'm a noob, just started using xubuntu this weekend 2 revive an old comp
[02:40] <One> hello?
[02:54] <loak> Someone konw a bit about PIII coppermine in an omnibook, cpufreq, and all this baterie saving stuff ?
[03:51] <lnx> am ubuntu (gnome) user and i have install xubuntu desktop and i enter command "compiz --replace" and nothing happend what i need todo ? (in gnome compiz works fine ) ?
[03:52] <maxamillion> lnx: open a terminal and type "killall xfwm4" and then type "compiz --replace" and if that doesn't work, then you will need to type "xfwm4 &" to get xfce's window manager back
[04:03] <greg> Hi. Does anyone know why my installation cd can't find a Release file?
[04:04] <greg> the md5sums check out
[04:28] <lnx> what is the name of xfce windows manager ( i want to do windows_manager --replace ) ?
[04:38] <loak> Someone to help me with a PIII coppermine (hp omnibook) and the cpufreq governor thing ?
[05:12] <s-x-u> hi i have a question im using gutsy 7.10 tribe 4 with updates i can not create new users :-/
[05:15] <s-x-u> using the program users and groups from the menu i fill in the name kind of user and a password but it doesnt create a home map and i cannot login with the new user after rebooting and logging in on the my own account the user i created is lost/gone and away
[05:19] <s-x-u> so anyone have an idea about it ?
[05:21] <Nevermin1> hey, i have a problem
[05:22] <Nevermin1> how do i connedct to a windows router to access the windwos shared files
[05:22] <s-x-u> !samba
[05:22] <ubotu> samba is is the way to cooperate with Windows environments. Links with more info: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MountWindowsSharesPermanently and http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/serverguide/C/windows-networking.html - Samba can be administered via the web with SWAT
[05:52] <utnubux> anyone use xubuntu for sonund synthesis?
[06:08] <cheeseboy> where can i find a black version of the default xubuntu background?
[06:36] <orbit7> cheeseboy : here are some black images from gutsy: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Artwork/Gutsy/Incoming
[06:45] <hyper_ch> hiho fellow pirates
[06:46] <kekk> arrr
[06:47] <orbit7> utnubux: something like this? http://packages.ubuntu.com/feisty/sound/nyquist
[06:47] <hyper_ch> at least someone's alive
[06:53] <Adamska> Hi, i'm trying to make splashy work but it just doesn't run at startup. I installed it with apt-get. Is there something I forgot to do?
[06:53] <utnubux> orbit7: do you use nyquist?
[06:53] <Adamska> I didn't change any configuration file
[06:54] <utnubux> i have read about it but havent tried it.. .or any 'programing' based applications for that matter
[06:54] <orbit7> utnubux: no i only listen to music
[06:54] <utnubux> ahh. well thats cool. i really dont understand whats involved in the programming of a program like that
[06:55] <utnubux> reality is unimportant anyway
[06:56] <orbit7> there is a ubuntu studio distribution for media creation, but the site is down right now
[06:58] <utnubux> yea im running xubuntu on a p3 750 lappy with currently 128mb of memory. not exactly a media machine... i assume it would run much slower than it does now.
[06:59] <hyper_ch> utnubux: I had edgy on a 450mvhz 64mb notebook... it was sloooow... but running
[06:59] <utnubux> haha. i have one of those laying around and was thinking about it.
[06:59] <utnubux> i liked the edgy elf better than fiesty....
[07:00] <hyper_ch> I don't
[07:00] <utnubux> ive had problems i never ran into with edgy.... on the same hardware setup. i dont understand
[07:01] <orbit7> utnubux : perhaps audacity is what you are looking for ? http://audacity.sourceforge.net/
[07:02] <utnubux> yea i run audacity in linux mac and on winxp. its the sheeit.
[07:02] <utnubux> im looking for more synthesis or sound generation rather than editing
[07:18] <pidgas> If anyone else here uses openoffice, I'd appreciate any help you might provide.  My menu fonts are HUGE at least 14-18pt, and I can't seem to fix them.  Googleing just turns up this "apply replacement table" stuff which doesn't work.  Anyone here have a tip for how to make OO2 obey my system fonts in xbubuntu?
[08:06] <orbit7> i have a really strange bug with my m-audio revolution 5.1 sound card , and it's only ocurring in xfce and not in gnome
[08:07] <orbit7> in alsamixer (in a terminal) the H/W setting kjeeps getting reset from "pcm-out" to "hw1 in"
[08:07] <orbit7> is there a special volume/alsa manager  specifix to xfce?
[08:07] <orbit7> *specific to xfce
[08:08] <maxamillion> orbit7: xfce4-mixer
[08:09] <maxamillion> orbit7: you can run that from the run dialog or from a terminal
[08:09] <orbit7> thanks, i'll try now
[08:10] <maxamillion> np
[08:12] <orbit7> maxamillion : the xfce4-mixer does not reflect the same state of "H/W" as alsa mixer. it get's reset in alsa mixer and i loze 1 speaker
[08:12] <maxamillion> oh ... strange
[08:12] <orbit7> maxamillion : after that i start xfce4-mixer and it still shows pcm-out for "H/W"
[08:13] <maxamillion> orbit7: that's really odd ... i unfortunately don't really know how to fix that
[08:13] <orbit7> ok, i know where to file a bug now
[08:14] <maxamillion> :)
[08:14] <loak> hi all
[08:14] <Merchelo> hi dr. loak
[08:15] <loak> dr ? Am I a doctor ?
[08:15] <loak> sure not
[08:16] <loak> my problem is with acpi and the cpuferq things
[08:16] <loak> in a pIII coppermine omnibook
[08:16] <orbit7> maxamillion: killed xfce4-mixer, that's a better workaround
[08:17] <loak> google is full of pages on this but i can't get out
[08:39] <hyper_ch> !grub
[08:39] <ubotu> grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[08:45] <shofomofo> do yall think that running xubuntu on an older dell PIII with 350 mb ram and 2 gb hd would be a good idea for somebody who is a linux virgin, as far as user friendliness goes
[08:47] <j1mc> shofomofo: those specs are good except for the 2gb of hard drive space.
[08:48] <shofomofo> why is that bad?
[08:48] <kekk> I had a comp, 433mhz, 64mb ram, 6gb and I had used ubuntu for some weeks only, put xubuntu on it
[08:48] <j1mc> xubuntu will run on that computer, but you won't have much storage space at all
[08:48] <shofomofo> hm
[08:48] <j1mc> very little space for documents, music files, etc.
[08:48] <shofomofo> yeah
[08:48] <shofomofo> would yall have any other recommendations for me
[08:49] <shofomofo> as i said i need to be integrated into linux
[08:49] <kekk> DSL, feather linux, zenwalk
[08:49] <shofomofo> and its a laptop that im using
[08:50] <shofomofo> which one of those would be easiest to transition from windows
[08:50] <kekk> I don't know, haven't personally tried anything except dsl but that only for a few minutes
[08:50] <shofomofo> hm
[08:51] <shofomofo> this might be a 3 gb hd
[08:51] <shofomofo> i just got the craptop not too long ago
[08:51] <shofomofo> let me check it out again
[08:52] <shofomofo> oh shit
[08:52] <shofomofo> i don tknow what i was thinkin
[08:52] <shofomofo> its 20 gb
[08:52] <shofomofo> lol
[08:52] <kekk> haha
[08:52] <shofomofo> thats better
[08:52] <shofomofo> big difference
[08:52] <kekk> xubuntu will do fine
[08:52] <shofomofo> do you think xubuntu is a good choice
[08:53] <kekk> yeah, it's really faster than ubuntu
[08:53] <shofomofo> ok
[08:53] <shofomofo> thanks
[08:53] <kekk> I had both on one machine, you could feel it
[08:53] <kekk> good luck
[08:53] <shofomofo> hopefully it does all i need it to
[08:53] <shofomofo> thanks
[08:53] <shofomofo> im gonna go ahead and try it
[08:53] <shofomofo> if all works out, ill most likey return to this channel
[08:53] <kekk> you can always format and reinstall :)
[08:53] <shofomofo> yup
[08:53] <shofomofo> exactly
[08:53] <shofomofo> alright thanks
[08:54] <shofomofo> peace out
[08:54] <kekk> bye
[09:02] <loak> hello all, I'd like to install Xubuntu in pIII coppermine (HP Omnibook), but I can't get out of the acpi-speedstep-cpufreq thing, anybody to help me before i kill myself
[09:03] <kekk> no need to kill yourself :)
[09:04] <loak> well, I hope no
[09:04] <loak> or I had to find a funny death
[09:05] <kekk> does it say that it's an old bios (cutoffdate 2000) or such?
[09:05] <loak> non, it's fine from this side
[09:05] <loak> but some file seem to be missige
[09:05] <slow-motion> hallo
[09:06] <loak> hi
[09:06] <loak> *missing, I need to put some light
[09:08] <extrasticky> hi
[09:09] <Nevermind> hey
[09:09] <Nevermind> I have a god damn problem,
[09:09] <cellofellow> !language
[09:09] <ubotu> Please watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.
[09:09] <cellofellow> what's the problem?
[09:10] <Nevermind> rofl, sorry judst gotten annoyed
[09:10] <Nevermind> no matter what i do , i can't see the shared folder/hard-drive on my network
[09:11] <Nevermind> (which is windows based)
[09:11] <cellofellow> What protocol? SMB (Windows Networking?)
[09:11] <Nevermind> yes
[09:11] <cellofellow> What program(s) you trying?
[09:12] <Nevermind> the shared folders one which comes with the OS, I've configured it to every bit of detail and still don't work
[09:16] <cellofellow> Nevermind: there isn't a client for Samba included in Xubuntu.
[09:16] <cellofellow> I recommend LinNeighborhood
[09:20] <Nevermind> thankyou, I'm trying afew things now
[09:20] <cellofellow> The Shared Folders utility is for the server, not the client.
[09:23] <Nevermind> is pyNeighborhood any good?
[09:25] <MBR666> hello
[09:25] <Nevermind> hey
[09:26] <MBR666> how be it
[09:43] <slow-motion> n8
[10:01] <xjkx> how do i configure my video card
[10:01] <xjkx> if it uses xorg, xorgcfg isnt working/installed, is it using xorg?
[10:02] <xjkx> i am trying to configure my video card with a text software, no text file editing
[10:04] <xjkx> how do i install xorgcfg?
[10:07] <Jester45> xjkx, the only way i know how to do advance configs is manually editing xorg.conf
[10:08] <xjkx> i havent skills enough
[10:08] <Jester45> or for resoultion or othe basic things you can use dpkg to reconfigure it
[10:08] <xjkx> I want to change my card driver, can i do it with dpkg thing
[10:09] <Jester45> editing xorg is much easier
[10:09] <Jester45> trust me on that one
[10:09] <Jester45> first open a Terminal
[10:09] <xjkx> my equalizer of gmplayer doesnt work, the people on #mplayer said it could be the driver it is using, i need a list of drivers to choose, i have no idea what i'd put anyway
[10:09] <xjkx> I believe its using vesa, i have a sis
[10:09] <xjkx> sis something, i believe 740
[10:10] <Jester45> run grep Driver /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[10:10] <Jester45> it will display a few but the last one should be the video driver
[10:10] <xjkx>  Driver          "vesa"
[10:10] <Jester45> the others might be mouse kbd stylus
[10:11] <Jester45> that would be the once you are using
[10:11] <xjkx> what should i put there then? sis?
[10:11] <Jester45> now type sudo nano /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[10:11] <Jester45> that will ask for pass
[10:11] <Jester45> enter the password for you user
[10:11] <xjkx> I am in the file, in the line
[10:12] <xjkx> Editing the name vesa for something
[10:12] <Jester45> press ctl+W
[10:12] <xjkx> For what? sis?
[10:12] <xjkx> I searched for driver already :D
[10:12] <Jester45> nano is a cli editor
[10:12] <Jester45> yes now we are gonna edit it
[10:12] <xjkx> Just put sis there? or sis740?
[10:12] <Jester45> press ctl+w and type "vesa"
[10:12] <Jester45> umm
[10:12] <xjkx> yes
[10:13] <Jester45> that will get you to the driver line
[10:13] <Jester45> and i will look what you need
[10:13] <xjkx> ok
[10:13] <Jester45> whats the card?
[10:13] <xjkx> sis740
[10:14] <Jester45> let me work
[10:14] <Jester45> look*
[10:15] <Jester45> try sis
[10:16] <xjkx> ok
[10:16] <xjkx> will restart
[10:39] <mikubuntu> hey guys.  trying to install x on a dell cpi d300xt laptop, using the alternate install disk... after the screens about keyboard layout it seems to get stuck... i noticed some 'logical' errors when the disk first started running, does anybody know what might lead to it getting hung up like this?
[10:40] <mikubuntu> i hear it whirring and whirring, but it doesn't get past the section where it said it was 'detecting' cdrom...
[10:40] <Jester45> does the comuputer have 2 cd drives?
[10:41] <Jester45> if not try restarting and at the menu to pick what you boot try the option to check the cd
[10:41] <mikubuntu> no, just one ...
[10:41] <mikubuntu> you mean check for errors?
[10:41] <Jester45> yes
[10:42] <Jester45> i havent used a cd in a while i couldnt rember the name
[10:42] <Jester45> i dont know what the error means but im sure someone will pop up and tell
[10:42] <mikubuntu> ok, do you suppose it would make any sense to try hooking up an external drive and see if that's the prob?
[10:42] <Jester45> kalikiana might know
[10:43] <Jester45> i would go with check the cd first
[10:43] <mikubuntu> k,  lemme go do that
[10:43] <Jester45> it could be a bad burn a lot of people get them and if thats not a poblem or doesnt start then try the external
[10:43] <Jester45> or a cd drive from a other comp
[10:44] <Jester45> the computer might not be able to boot from an usb cd drive
[10:44] <mikubuntu> checking cd for defects now
[10:46] <hyper_ch> huhu Jester45
[10:46] <hyper_ch> huhu TheSheep
[10:46] <hyper_ch> huhu The_Kernel
[10:46] <Jester45> hi
[10:46] <hyper_ch> huhu j1mc
[10:46] <hyper_ch> huhu kalikiana
[10:46] <hyper_ch> :)
[10:46] <Jester45> huhu everyone
[10:47] <mikubuntu> ok, what does huhu mean
[10:47] <hyper_ch> mikubuntu:  that's an extreme secret code
[10:47] <phpusmo> Hello, is there a way I can retrieve the root pass if I forgot it without formatting?
[10:47] <mikubuntu> so you would have to kill me if you tell me?
[10:48] <Jester45> yep only kernel devels know :)
[10:48] <hyper_ch> mikubuntu: I'd have to kill you even if I only think about telling you ;)
[10:48] <Jester45> and then i would have to kill hyper_ch for thinking
[10:48] <hyper_ch> ^^
[10:48] <Jester45> court ordered him to stop thinking
[10:49] <phpusmo> hello?
[10:49] <mikubuntu> Jester45: jacksparrow said i should burn another iso but at slow speed, that might be the problem
[10:49] <Jester45> it caused to many problems
[10:49] <Jester45> yes that is what i would tell you if the cd fails
[10:49] <mikubuntu> some ppl shouldn't be allowed to think, or breed
[10:49] <Jester45> if it doesnt then there is not need to waste it
[10:49] <hyper_ch> yeah, it caused problems like WW2 when I was thinking
[10:50] <mikubuntu> Jester45: the check cd for defects seems hung up too
[10:50] <Jester45> that could mean a bad burn
[10:50] <Jester45> or maybe a worse problem is your cd drive doesnt like the cd
[10:51] <Jester45> is it a cheap cd? in an old drive?
[10:51] <Jester45> like the cd you get in packs of 100 for 20 bucks
[10:51] <mikubuntu> ya, lemme burn anew, i be back in a while.  yes and yes.
[10:51] <mikubuntu> 9.99
[10:51] <Jester45> old drives have a hard time reading crappy cds
[10:51] <mikubuntu> but i used it on a couple other boxes already
[10:52] <mikubuntu> how do you know 'quality' cds?
[10:52] <mikubuntu> these are 'imation'
[10:52] <Jester45>  the cd's dont have the quality that the old drives expect and need as the laser is more presise and doesn't have error correction
[10:52] <hyper_ch> I have melectronic and they run fine
[10:53] <mikubuntu> ok, i go reburn
[10:54] <phpusmo> how do I boot in single user mode?
[10:55] <ochosi> hi, both my monitor and my graphics card are capable of a resolution higher than 1024x768 (e.g. 1280x1024), but somehow xorg.conf doesn't accept it (Xorg.0.log says:(II) VESA(0): Not using mode "1280x1024" (no mode of this name) )
[10:55] <hyper_ch> ochosi: then alter your Xorg.conf
[10:56] <ochosi> hyper_ch my xorg.conf currently says:
[10:56] <ochosi> SubSection "Display"
[10:56] <ochosi> 		Depth		24
[10:56] <ochosi> 		Modes		"1600x1200" "1280x1024" "1024x768" "800x600" "640x480"
[10:56] <ochosi> 	EndSubSection
[10:57] <hyper_ch> ochosi: I'm not proficient with xorg.conf
[10:59] <Jester45> i dont think vesa goes that high
[10:59] <Jester45> but thats just me i think its 1024x768 or less
[11:00] <hyper_ch> Jester45: now you scared him away
[11:01] <phpusmo> Hello, is there a way I can retrieve the root pass if I forgot it without formatting?
[11:01] <ochosi> sorry, i accidentally disconnected and someone said something to my xorg.conf problem
[11:01] <ochosi> would you please repeat?
[11:01] <Jester45> phpusmo, i think so but google would know more than me
[11:01] <Jester45> i think vesa can only do 1024x768 or less
[11:02] <ochosi> phpusmo you could try to run the recovery mode
[11:02] <phpusmo> I'll need the cd wouldn't I?
[11:02] <ochosi> phpusmo: no, just choose the option in grub boot menu
[11:02] <phpusmo> is there a method for xubuntu, like in windows I can just go into safe mode and see the admin
[11:03] <phpusmo> ochosi, how do I open grub boot menu
[11:03] <ochosi> Jester45: i see, so i will try to use a different driver
[11:03] <Jester45> ochosi, you might want to find vesa's website before doing that
[11:03] <ochosi> phpusmo: usually it shows up at bootup anyway, doesn't it with you?
[11:04] <Jester45> phpusmo, in the boot after it says loading grub you press esc and pick your kernel
[11:04] <Jester45> it might not show the menu
[11:04] <Jester45> there is an option for a hidden menu in that case you have to press esc to get to it
[11:05] <phpusmo> oh ok. I don't have access to the machine right now. so once I do get into recovery mode
[11:05] <phpusmo> there'll be an option to change the root pass?
[11:06] <xjkx> worked, the driver thing, thanks :>
[11:06] <Jester45> welcomer
[11:07] <ochosi> passwd -d
[11:07] <ochosi> passwd -d username
[11:07] <ochosi> this should delete your root pass
[11:08] <ochosi> bye
[11:08] <Jester45> but my question is why you have a root user
[11:09] <Jester45> or a root user that you need to login to
[11:09] <hyper_ch> Jester45: everyone has one :)
[11:09] <Jester45> but that made problem
[11:09] <Jester45> s
[11:10] <hyper_ch> Jester45: sure you have one on ubuntu
[11:10] <phpusmo> Jester45, well I'm trying to install something
[11:10] <phpusmo> and it keeps asking for a pass
[11:10] <phpusmo> I put in my username pass but it doesn't work
[11:10] <phpusmo> so I thought I need to put in root pass
[11:10] <Jester45> does your user have sudo power
[11:11] <phpusmo> i tried a sudo command and it just asks for password
[11:11] <Jester45> hyper_ch, not if you remove him
[11:11] <hyper_ch> you can remove root?
[11:11] <phpusmo> same with synaptic
[11:11] <Jester45> your user needs to be on the sudoer list
[11:11] <phpusmo> Jester45, how can I add my username to the sudoer list?
[11:12] <phpusmo> wouldn't I need root power to do it?
[11:12] <Jester45> is this the first user that you created during boot
[11:12] <phpusmo> yes
[11:12] <Jester45> and no you should be able to via a live cd
[11:12] <Jester45> then it should be a sudoer
[11:13] <phpusmo> oh
[11:13] <phpusmo> anyway without live cd?
[11:14] <hyper_ch> phpusmo: what groups are you in?
[11:14] <phpusmo> I don't know.
[11:18] <xjkx> why it happens on glxinfo: http://www.pastebin.ca/672776
[11:19] <Leonardo> hello??
[11:20] <Leonardo> anybody here??
[11:20] <hyper_ch> Leonardo: no
[11:20] <hyper_ch> !question | Leonardo
[11:20] <ubotu> Leonardo: Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[11:21] <Leonardo> i need some help with ubuntu
[11:21] <Leonardo> i recently downloaded it and tried the live cd
[11:21] <hyper_ch> a wise decision :)
[11:21] <Leonardo> what do i need to download so that i may install xp programs on it
[11:21] <hyper_ch> you need windows :)
[11:22] <Jester45> no
[11:22] <Leonardo> what do i need to download??
[11:22] <hyper_ch> Leonardo: what do you want to install exactely?
[11:22] <Jester45> wine but you should try not to use windows programs because they are slow on linux and dont allways work
[11:22] <Leonardo> some xp programs
[11:22] <Jester45> like.... some examples please
[11:23] <hyper_ch> Leonardo: well, linux is a total different operating system... you can't just run programs from  windows
[11:23] <hyper_ch> Leonardo: there are some exceptions like wine/cedega/crossover office  or virtualisation products like xen, vmware, virtual box
[11:23] <Jester45> if you want to run all windows programs there is this OS called windows that does it all most good
[11:23] <Leonardo> what is wine??
[11:23] <hyper_ch> Leonardo: but best is to run windows programs in windows and for linux find alternatives
[11:24] <hyper_ch> !wine | Leonardo
[11:24] <ubotu> Leonardo: wine is a compatibility layer for running Windows programs on GNU/Linux. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Wine for more information.
[11:24] <hyper_ch> Leonardo: wine can run quite a bit amount of windows programs but not everything and not all of them work well
[11:24] <Jester45> Leonardo, dont use ubuntu's wine package go to the wine website and install via their repo
[11:24] <Leonardo> will wine allow me to install xp programs in xp??
[11:24] <Jester45> its much more uptodate
[11:24] <Jester45> Leonardo, no it will let you run program in linux
[11:24] <Leonardo> ok
[11:25] <hyper_ch> Jester45: best would be to add budgetdedicated to his sources list
[11:25] <Jester45> hyper_ch, thats what i was taking about
[11:25] <Leonardo> hey jester45 can you please go private with me?
[11:25] <hyper_ch> Jester45: well, didn't know if you meant him to download just the .deb or update his sources
[11:25] <hyper_ch> Leonardo: we can talk here
[11:25] <Leonardo> ok
[11:25] <Leonardo> i dont quite understand ubuntu
[11:26] <hyper_ch> Leonardo: what don't you understand?
[11:26] <Leonardo> the software part of it
[11:26] <hyper_ch> what about it?
[11:26] <Jester45> Leonardo, your windows is showing :) please while here openly discuse we have no problem with that and it might inform other users
[11:26] <Leonardo> like compatibility
[11:27] <Jester45> Leonardo, do you know about OS X
[11:27] <Leonardo> no
[11:27] <hyper_ch> Leonardo: there's a site called "windows is not linux" and they have a nice analogy there
[11:27] <Jester45> o well that doesnt help
[11:27] <Leonardo> i only know about xp and vista
[11:27] <hyper_ch> Leonardo: what is a bike and a car used for?
[11:27] <Jester45> hyper_ch, lol
[11:27] <Leonardo> for transport
[11:27] <hyper_ch> Leonardo: exactely... if you know how to drive a car... are you also able to ride a bike?
[11:28] <Leonardo> no
[11:28] <Jester45> http://linux.oneandoneis2.org/LNW.htm
[11:28] <hyper_ch> Leonardo: see, that's the same... windows and linux do both computing... however they use very different approaches to it
[11:28] <Leonardo> ok
[11:28] <hyper_ch> Leonardo: and so far you have only learned how to use windows :) so most of what you learned there yo can't apply to linux
[11:29] <Leonardo> ok
[11:29] <hyper_ch> Leonardo: if you want to go ahead, you must be willing to learn :)
[11:29] <Jester45> like on windows you download .exe to install things on linux you have many options but for ubuntu you will want to use the "repo"
[11:29] <Leonardo> yes i am willing to learn but i prefer voice
[11:29] <hyper_ch> Leonardo: a lot of people are just sick of windows and want something else that works better, does all that windows does... basically they just want an improved windows but linux is not that
[11:30] <Leonardo> ok
[11:30] <Jester45> the repo is a whole buch of files you can install and update automatically
[11:30] <hyper_ch> Leonardo: software in the repos is free... you can trust that software.. it has no viruses or malware...
[11:30] <Leonardo> ok
[11:31] <hyper_ch> Leonardo: and there's an awful lot of software in there... for most of your windows programs there will be a replacement
[11:31] <Leonardo> can we discuss getting windows programs to work on ubuntu??
[11:31] <Leonardo> oh
[11:31] <Jester45> o and linux doesnt get viruses or spyware or malware and  doesnt need a firewall
[11:31] <hyper_ch> Leonardo: some are a bit better, some are a bit worse then the windows programs
[11:31] <Leonardo> ok
[11:31] <Jester45> and youdont have to restart very often after an install or a change of a setting
[11:32] <hyper_ch> Leonardo: but to be honest, the one thing linux sucks so far at is Games... because they are very demanding on the hardware and the producers don't make them for linux
[11:32] <Jester45> and audio but same reason
[11:32] <hyper_ch> Leonardo: so if you want to play windows games all the time, ubuntu/linux is not for you
[11:32] <Leonardo> ok
[11:32] <Jester45> dual booting can be
[11:32] <Leonardo> are there any games for ubuntu?
[11:32] <hyper_ch> Leonardo: there are some :) UT2004 I think
[11:33] <Leonardo> ok
[11:33] <hyper_ch> some games can be made to run with wine... like World of Warcraft
[11:33] <Leonardo> can ubuntu run a program called paltalk?
[11:33] <hyper_ch> Leonardo: haven't heard of that... no clue
[11:33] <Jester45> what does it do?
[11:34] <Leonardo> it's a voice chatroom
[11:35] <hyper_ch> 8.5	ies4linux needs to be installed first, otherwise it won't ever login. 	/	/	2	3
[11:35] <hyper_ch> 9.0	Same results as 8.5 report above			1	0
[11:36] <hyper_ch> seems to work in Suse... no result for Ubuntu yet
[11:36] <hyper_ch> but it relies on MSIE?
[11:38] <hyper_ch> Leonardo: scared?
[11:39] <Leonardo> i have the 64 bit version of it
[11:39] <hyper_ch> Leonardo: you also installed ubuntu 64bit?
[11:40] <Leonardo> i have ubuntu 64bit
[11:41] <Leonardo> i really dont know what is wine?
[11:41] <Leonardo> and it's purpose
[11:41] <hyper_ch> wine is a compatibility layer that will allow you to run some windows programs on linux
[11:41] <hyper_ch> Leonardo: do you have a playstation?
[11:42] <Leonardo> yes
[11:42] <hyper_ch> ever tried to run a xbox game in it?
[11:42] <Leonardo> no but it wont work
[11:42] <hyper_ch> Leonardo: why won't it work?
[11:42] <Leonardo> because they are differently made
[11:43] <hyper_ch> Leonardo: see, same applies to linux and windows... you can't just run a windows program in linux
[11:43] <hyper_ch> Leonardo: so you need a some "middle"ware that will enable it
[11:43] <Leonardo> ok
[11:43] <Leonardo> and wine can?
[11:43] <hyper_ch> some stuff runs fine
[11:44] <Leonardo> ok
[11:44] <hyper_ch> ok, first, we need to add the wine repos to your sources list
[11:44] <hyper_ch> open a terminal
[11:44] <Leonardo> how can i download wine for my 64bit ubuntu
[11:44] <Leonardo> what is a terminal
[11:44] <Leonardo> i am currently using xp
[11:44] <hyper_ch> command line interface
[11:44] <hyper_ch> the little black box where you can type text in it like in dos
[11:45] <Leonardo> i am currently using xp
[11:45] <hyper_ch> Leonardo: oh, you're not on ubuntu ;) well, then we can't install wine
[11:45] <Leonardo> ok
[11:45] <Leonardo> can i have a number for you ?
[11:45] <hyper_ch> Leonardo: ??? a number?
[11:46] <Leonardo> yeah where we can talk
[11:46] <hyper_ch> Leonardo: why?
[11:47] <Leonardo> well i really need help and i'm really not knowledgable about this stuff
[11:47] <hyper_ch> that's what the support channels are for :)
[11:47] <Leonardo> and i dont know what will happen if i run the live cd
[11:48] <Leonardo> i'm talk about if this program will work and my internet and stuff
[11:48] <hyper_ch> as long as you don't do anything, nothing will happen
[11:48] <Leonardo> do you understand?
[11:48] <hyper_ch> it will just start ubuntu in the ram
[11:48] <Leonardo> ok
[11:48] <hyper_ch> there's a good chance it will not work well... but mostly it does run ok
[11:48] <Leonardo> and how can i get this program to work??
[11:49] <hyper_ch> and once you turn the computer off, it's gone... nothing will be changed on the computer
[11:49] <Leonardo> i know
[11:49] <hyper_ch> well, first you will need to run ubuntu
[11:49] <Leonardo> ok
[11:49] <hyper_ch> (from live-cd)
[11:49] <hyper_ch> then add the repos for wine
[11:49] <hyper_ch> and then install wine
[11:49] <hyper_ch> and then you can try to install paltalk
[11:50] <hyper_ch> (but also IE4Linux must be installed)
[11:50] <Leonardo> i will really need to talk to you while i'm doing this
[11:50] <Leonardo> i'm only 16 you know !!!
[11:51] <hyper_ch> well, you need internet otherwise you can't install it
[11:51] <Leonardo> ok
[11:51] <hyper_ch> so when you have internet, you also have IRC access
[11:51] <kekk> Leonardo, I'm 16 too, it's not _that_ hard ;)
[11:52] <Leonardo> well how can i talk/chat with you while i'm running ubuntu
[11:52] <Leonardo> lol
[11:52] <Leonardo> i find this stuff very hard to understand !!!!
[11:52] <hyper_ch> Leonardo: you start an IRC client
[11:52] <hyper_ch> XChate should be installed by default
[11:52] <kekk> moreso, age has nothing to with this stuff
[11:52] <kekk> hyper_ch, it wasn't on my 7.04, gaim is though
[11:52] <Leonardo> ok
[11:53] <hyper_ch> Leonardo: you have ubuntu or xubuntu?
[11:53] <Leonardo> i have now put the ubuntu cd in my drive
[11:53] <Leonardo> i have ubuntu
[11:53] <Leonardo> i believe
[11:53] <hyper_ch> Leonardo: oh well, if you can't find any irc programm... ahve a look through the menus and look for "add/remove software" or "synaptic"
[11:54] <hyper_ch> Leonardo: with those two you can search for an irc programm and have it installed...
[11:54] <hyper_ch> Leonardo: all you need is getting your inet connection working in ubuntu :)
[11:55] <Leonardo> well i really don't understand so i'll be leaving now, thanks for the help though but even though xp is crap i might just have to stick with it
[11:55] <Leonardo> i thought that ubuntu have a number just like microsoft has
[11:55] <hyper_ch> Leonardo: linux is mostly developped by people like you and me that do it in their spare time
[11:56] <Leonardo> voice is better that text anyway and i hate typing
[11:56] <kekk> ubuntu has the net - forums, irc, wikis
[11:56] <Leonardo> ok
[11:56] <hyper_ch> ubuntu has actually people helping... not some paid, bored support that keeps you on hold for 10min
[11:56] <kekk> hehe
[11:57] <Leonardo> well it's worth it because i get my questions answered
[11:57] <Jester45> well
[11:57] <Jester45> you can pay for support
[11:57] <kekk> I like to believe that ubuntu folks are enthusiasts. they love doing this and like helping out others. don't know if it is true though ;)
[11:57] <Leonardo> if i have someone to talk to, that way i can tell them to stop or if i understand or not
[11:57] <Jester45> but... i dont think they support wine
[11:57] <Leonardo> ok
[11:58] <Leonardo> i'm not going to pay for support though i'm still at school
[11:58] <Jester45> Leonardo, but when your talking its slower and you cant look back at what they said
[11:58] <hyper_ch> Leonardo: you can try it :) doing it all in the live cd causes no harm except maybe for wasting some time ;)
[11:59] <Leonardo> ok
[11:59] <Leonardo> i dont think so
[11:59] <Leonardo> jester45
[11:59] <Jester45> to each his own
[11:59] <Leonardo> well i'll be going now, will i be getting anybody's # or not, i will really apprciate the help !!!!
[12:00] <hyper_ch> Leonardo: irc is much more helpful :) I have created my self a wiki with all the stuff I needed to learn and had trouble figuring out... I just copied and pasted the relevant parts from websites, irc, other wikis...
[12:00] <Jester45> i just have been helping a long time and i know from being the helper its much easier to tell a person to copy and paste sudo apt-get install package
[12:00] <hyper_ch> I have my small little compendium of what I know
[12:00] <Jester45> than to tell them how to do it
[12:00] <Leonardo> ok
[12:00] <Leonardo> well i guess that's a no
[12:00] <hyper_ch> Leonardo: you can call me but you'll have two issues:  my accent and the charge for an itnernational call ;)
[12:01] <Leonardo> that's not a problem
[12:01] <kekk> haha
[12:01] <hyper_ch> trust me, my accent is bad
[12:01] <Leonardo> is not that you speak french or something
[12:01] <hyper_ch> actually, that's one of the languages I speak
[12:01] <Leonardo> i can speak both english and spanish
[12:02] <Leonardo> and i have heard worst accents
[12:02] <hyper_ch> no hablo espaol muy bien
[12:02] <Leonardo> i dont speak spanish very well
[12:02] <kekk> (when I use /set irc_whois_front 1 in xchat, will this stick?)
[12:02] <Leonardo> please give me your number
[12:02] <Leonardo> i private though
[12:03] <hyper_ch> I'm off to bed soon
[12:03] <mikubuntu> Jester45: you still here
[12:03] <hyper_ch> already midnight here
[12:03] <mikubuntu> adonde
[12:03] <Leonardo> ok
[12:03] <Leonardo> so that means no?
[12:03] <hyper_ch> Leonardo: you don't need any number ;) trust me... all you need is an internet connection and irc
[12:04] <Leonardo> it's 6:04 pm now
[12:04] <Leonardo> what is irc
[12:04] <hyper_ch> Leonardo: what you are using now... that's IRC
[12:04] <Leonardo> ok
[12:04] <Jester45> yea im here
[12:04] <Leonardo> so log back in when ubuntu have loaded
[12:05] <Leonardo> what do i need to do to chat with yall after i have loaded ubuntu??
[12:06] <hyper_ch> Leonardo: once you are in ubuntu, search the start/applications menu for "Synaptic"
[12:06] <Leonardo> then
[12:07] <hyper_ch> Leonardo: run that... within it you can then search for "XChat"
[12:07] <Leonardo> then
[12:07] <hyper_ch> Leonardo: and you can install XChat from there...
[12:07] <hyper_ch> Xchat is an irc client that lets you come back here :)
[12:07] <mikubuntu> Leonardo: Or start firefox and add chatzilla, go to freenode server, then /join #xubuntu
[12:08] <Leonardo> ok
[12:08] <Leonardo> bye
[12:08] <hyper_ch> server:   irc.freenode.org     channel:  #xubuntu
[12:08] <Leonardo> ok
[12:08] <Leonardo> i'll give this one more try
[12:08] <Leonardo> i think it's worth it
[12:09] <Leonardo> bye
[12:09] <mikubuntu> Leonardo, estas instalando con el alternativo?
[12:09] <Leonardo> ok
[12:09] <hyper_ch> he said to have a live cd
[12:10] <Leonardo> i know
[12:10] <Leonardo> bye
[12:10] <mikubuntu> Leonardo: it is usually better to install with the alternate installer cd
[12:10] <mikubuntu> instead of the live cd
[12:10] <hyper_ch> mikubuntu: he's not going to install yet
[12:11] <Leonardo> that's right
[12:11] <mikubuntu> hyper_ch: oh. nvr mind :)
[12:11] <Leonardo> i'm not
[12:11] <Leonardo> ok
[12:11] <Leonardo> bye guys, i'll catch you on the other side !!!!
[12:11] <hyper_ch> ^^
[12:12] <mikubuntu> ok, then lets deal with MY problem :)  i can't get the alternate cd to load on my new old dell laptop.  i see on the install menu there is an option for a command line install.  anyone savvy enough and patient enough to help me to a command line install?
[12:13] <hyper_ch> mikubuntu: got a second computer?
[12:13] <mikubuntu> yes, this one
[12:13] <hyper_ch> how about a pxe install?
[12:13] <mikubuntu> ok, what's that :)
[12:14] <hyper_ch> !install | mikubuntu
[12:14] <ubotu> mikubuntu: Ubuntu can be installed in lots of ways. Please see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation for documentation. Problems during install? See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommonProblemsInstall and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperReleaseNotes/UbiquityKnownIssues - See also !automate
[12:14] <mikubuntu> i'll try anything once, and i've done some things more than once, but that's another chatroom i think
[12:15] <hyper_ch> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/LocalNet
[12:15] <mikubuntu> ok, i go look
[12:18] <mikubuntu> hyper_ch: oh, no. thats WaaaaAAAAAaaaaay over my head
[12:18] <hyper_ch> mikubuntu: ok :)
[12:19] <hyper_ch> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/FromHardDriveWithFloppies
[12:22] <leonardo> hello??
[12:22] <hyper_ch> leonardo: windows or ubuntu?
[12:22] <leonardo> ubuntu !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[12:22] <leonardo> it looks really good
[12:22] <hyper_ch> it's not that difficult... did you install now xchat?
[12:23] <leonardo> no
[12:23] <hyper_ch> Jester45: still here?
[12:23] <mikubuntu> hyper_ch: what is the 'mini iso' and is it possible to burn it to cd to start installation?
[12:23] <hyper_ch> mikubuntu: that was for floppies or usb stick
[12:23] <leonardo> i used something called gaim
[12:23] <hyper_ch> leonardo: ah :)
[12:23] <mikubuntu> hyper_ch: so it wont work on cd?
[12:24] <leonardo> now tell me how to use wine
[12:24] <hyper_ch> mikubuntu: problem is you can't get the cd drive to run, right?
[12:24] <hyper_ch> leonardo: open a terminal
[12:24] <mikubuntu> hyper_ch: yes the cd runs but it doesn't get past a certain point
[12:25] <hyper_ch> mikubuntu: oh... hm...
[12:25] <leonardo> go to accessories then terminal
[12:26] <leonardo> ?
[12:26] <hyper_ch> mikubuntu: I guess you can burn the mini iso on a cd
[12:26] <mikubuntu> hyper_ch: maybe i SHOULD try the cd driver from this machine into that machine... they are both dells, should be interchangeable, yes?
[12:26] <hyper_ch> leonardo: yeah :) just open it
[12:26] <leonardo> it's open
[12:26] <hyper_ch> leonardo: copy'n'paste this:     wget -q http://wine.budgetdedicated.com/apt/387EE263.gpg -O- | sudo apt-key add -
[12:26] <hyper_ch> into the terminal
[12:27] <mikubuntu> hyper_ch:  so what state would i be in if it booted the mini iso?
[12:27] <hyper_ch> mikubuntu: no clue
[12:27] <leonardo> i just copied wget -q http://wine.budgetdedicated.com/apt/387EE263.gpg -O- | sudo apt-key add -
[12:27] <mikubuntu> haha
[12:27] <hyper_ch> mikubuntu: have a read at the install guides....
[12:27] <hyper_ch> leonardo: what did it do/say?
[12:28] <mikubuntu> no, i have, i just cant get the stuff through my head unless someone walks me through it :(
[12:28] <leonardo> how to open terminal??
[12:28] <mikubuntu> lemme go try switvhing cd drives
[12:28] <leonardo> applications then what?
[12:28] <hyper_ch> leonardo: didn't you say before you have it open?
[12:28] <leonardo> i think that the wrong thing
[12:29] <hyper_ch> leonardo: I don't have ubuntu so I don't know where the terminal is located in the ubuntu GUI
[12:29] <kekk> Applications > Accessories > Terminal
[12:29] <hyper_ch> leonardo: but accessories --> terminal sounded right
[12:29] <leonardo> good
[12:29] <leonardo> wget -q http://wine.budgetdedicated.com/apt/387EE263.gpg -O- | sudo apt-key add -
[12:29] <leonardo> am i putting that in?
[12:29] <kekk> paste that, hit enter
[12:29] <leonardo> wget -q http://wine.budgetdedicated.com/apt/387EE263.gpg -O- | sudo apt-key add -
[12:29] <hyper_ch> leonardo: yes
[12:30] <hyper_ch> then hit enter
[12:30] <leonardo> it jus said ok
[12:30] <hyper_ch> copy'n'paste what it says exactely
[12:30] <leonardo> i pasted (wget -q http://wine.budgetdedicated.com/apt/387EE263.gpg -O- | sudo apt-key add -) the exact thing in the brackets
[12:31] <hyper_ch> leonardo: what was the result?
[12:31] <leonardo> the result was ok
[12:31] <Jester45> hyper_ch, im here
[12:31] <leonardo> and then ubuntu@ubuntu:~$
[12:31] <hyper_ch> leonardo: copy'n'paste the output
[12:31] <Jester45> its fine
[12:31] <Jester45> thats what it does
[12:32] <Jester45> type sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install wine
[12:32] <leonardo> yall are confusing me
[12:32] <hyper_ch> Jester45: not so quick
[12:32] <Jester45> lol
[12:32] <leonardo> :(
[12:32] <hyper_ch> now paste this:     sudo wget http://wine.budgetdedicated.com/apt/sources.list.d/feisty.list -O /etc/apt/sources.list.d/winehq.list
[12:32] <Jester45> leonardo, that means everything is ok
[12:33] <mikubuntu> hyper_ch: OMG ... switched drives with my machine and install is now progressing .... aaarrrrrrggggghhhhh.  so that drive must be defective in some way, tho it has worked reading windows drivers, etc...
[12:33] <Jester45> hyper_ch, you should of put it all in one long command
[12:33] <leonardo> it said 100%
[12:33] <hyper_ch> Jester45: I copied it from winehq ;)
[12:34] <hyper_ch> leonardo: good, now do as Jester45 said before:    sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install wine
[12:34] <leonardo> ok
[12:34] <hyper_ch> that will take now some time
[12:34] <leonardo> alot of stuff is moving
[12:35] <hyper_ch> leonardo: the first command you pasted is the "key" to make sure that the repository is valid
[12:35] <hyper_ch> leonardo: the second one is the actualy repository
[12:35] <leonardo> do i want to continue
[12:35] <hyper_ch> leonardo: and now you are updating the available software list
[12:35] <leonardo> i said y
[12:35] <hyper_ch> that's good
[12:35] <hyper_ch> and now it's actually downloading wine and it's components and then it will install it
[12:36] <mikubuntu> jester: and/or hyper: ok, now another question after i get x loaded on this machine, can i take the hard drive out of it and put it into an identical machine which has a bad bios?  the other machine wont boot from cd, but apart from that, is identical...
[12:36] <hyper_ch> mikubuntu: I guess so...
[12:37] <hyper_ch> if it's identical it should be no problem
[12:37] <mikubuntu> anything particular i need to know about handling the hard drives?  should machine be on/off etc...?
[12:37] <hyper_ch> mikubuntu: fiddling with hardware --> machine off ;)
[12:38] <mikubuntu> ok, gotcha.  seems like a no brainer, hunh
[12:38] <mikubuntu> huhu
[12:38] <hyper_ch> well, there are some drives you can swap while running but I dunno what is required exactely... ;)
[12:39] <Jester45> a hotswap motherboard or pci to ide card
[12:39] <hyper_ch> Jester45: geek
[12:39] <Jester45> i think im becoming a The-Kernel
[12:39] <Jester45> TheSheep*
[12:40] <Jester45> hyper_ch, yep 1/2 my school day is computers
[12:40] <mikubuntu> oh my.  i happy camper. install proceeding *seemingly* flawlessly
[12:40] <hyper_ch> Jester45: what's school ;)
[12:41] <Jester45> and semi admining 2 servers doesnt help
[12:41] <hyper_ch> leonardo: still downloading?
[12:41] <hyper_ch> Jester45: truly?
[12:42] <Jester45> yes so i guess i also have irc
[12:42] <hyper_ch> lol
[12:42] <hyper_ch> so, I'm off to bed... g'night mates
[12:42] <Jester45> night
[12:42] <Jester45> guess i get all the problems now
[12:42] <hyper_ch> ie4lin must be installed to make paltalk work ;)
[12:43] <hyper_ch> good luck on that
[12:52] <mikubuntu> hope i'm making the right choice with xubuntu on that machine, it has 12 gb hd, and 128 ram.. so it wouldn't really support ubuntu, correct?
[12:54] <Jester45> yes, 128mb ram would run quite slow on ubuntu
[12:54] <Jester45> what processor
[12:56] <mikubuntu> Jester45:  i have a question for you... when i loaded ubuntu on this laptop i wrote over all my files (intentionally) without backing up, because i was just *ready* to make the switcvh, and i really don't have any national security stuff on it anyways.  is there anyway for me to go in and retrieve any of that data now?
[12:56] <mikubuntu> not sure what processor
[12:56] <Jester45> nope
[12:57] <Jester45> if you do go back and find anything at all they will probly be small text files or small parts of a biger one
[12:57] <mikubuntu> oh, well, c'est la vie, the french say
[12:58] <mikubuntu> why is it that x uses the kde programs for office and spreadsheet and stuff, just lighter?
[12:59] <Jester45> umm
[12:59] <Jester45> no x uses xfce
[12:59] <Jester45> kde is slower than gnome
[12:59] <mikubuntu> oh, wait, i am confusing kubuntu, then
[12:59] <Jester45> speed wise slowest to fastest its kde gnome xfce flux
[12:59] <kekk> kubuntu is kde yeah
[01:00] <Jester45> and the buntu distro of them are
[01:00] <Jester45> kubuntu ubuntu xubuntu fluxubuntu
[01:00] <Jester45> well i think its fluxbuntu
[01:00] <mikubuntu> so fluxubuntu would be for really older machines?
[01:00] <Jester45> but its thirs party distro
[01:00] <Jester45> ues
[01:01] <Jester45> ye
[01:01] <Jester45> yes*
[01:01] <kekk> should try out fluxbuntu
[01:01] <Jester45> and for even faster is DSL and then commandline only
[01:01] <xork> i use xfce & fluxbox on a brand new machine
[01:01] <xork> just like the simplicity
[01:01] <mikubuntu> cause i have three *really* old laptops maybe i should consider fluxbuntu for then
[01:02] <mikubuntu> you mean damn small linux? DSL?
[01:02] <mikubuntu> i put puppy on a old compaq presario the other day.
[01:03] <mikubuntu> i pick these suckers up in the garbage some of em
[01:03] <kekk> what do you do with them?
[01:03] <mikubuntu> xork: but aren't you limited in the applications with flux?
[01:03] <kekk> revive them, give a new life?
[01:04] <xork> you can run your gnome/k apps just fine
[01:04] <xork> but there are usually lighter, better ones
[01:04] <mikubuntu> kekk: ya, i'm from panama/costa rica area gnna ship down there to some folks
[01:04] <xork> send one to me :)
[01:04] <mikubuntu> xork: you can run xara, and gimp, etc...?
[01:04] <kekk> it's nice that you're doing this
[01:05] <xork> mikubuntu: yeah
[01:05] <mikubuntu> wow, i din't know that, i thought the 'lesser' systems like xubuntu, flux, puppy, dsl were only for older hardware...
[01:06] <xork> no way
[01:06] <mikubuntu> i have grown to hate microsoft
[01:06] <xork> hehe
[01:06] <xork> you'll like it here
[01:06] <mikubuntu> i love how linux responds to my commands
[01:06] <xork> try out xubuntu
[01:08] <T`> on my amd64, ubuntu is just slooow
[01:08] <mikubuntu> like making simple stuff like flyers, mword would click, and whir, and click and whir to no end on every little task.  linux just does it. boom.  startup/boot. bam.  sigkill/shutdown, bam.  i love it.
[01:08] <T`> i suspect its the Terminal program
[01:08] <T`> when i have it on full window size.. and switch vdesktops its really slow
[01:08] <T`> with 100% cpu
[01:08] <T`> anyone seen this happen? I've an ATI card
[01:09] <xork> run command top
[01:09] <xork> see what's eating your resources
[01:09] <mikubuntu> T: so why don't you try x or flux?
[01:09] <T`> mikubuntu, i am using xfce
[01:09] <T`> Terminal as in xfce-terminal
[01:10] <Jester45> well saying amd64has nothing to do with speed amd64 could be a 200mhz processor with 64 ram and intergrated graphics