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| sbalneav | Evening all | 04:00 |
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| johnny | hi, i'm noticing that when a client autologin they were getting the wrong username, and it turns out the clients were using the contents of /etc/hostname to decide the username even tho it was assigned via dhcp | 06:13 |
| johnny | if i chmod 000 /etc/hostname, then all works as expected | 06:13 |
| johnny | and leave it empty | 06:13 |
| johnny | am i missing a proper dhcp option? | 06:13 |
| sbalneav | No, probably a bug. | 06:16 |
| sbalneav | This on gutsy, or feisty? | 06:16 |
| johnny | feisty | 06:19 |
| johnny | i'm currently happy that everything works tho :) | 06:20 |
| johnny | 1 box went online yesterday, and another today | 06:20 |
| johnny | my install is certainly one of the more limited LTSP installs :) | 06:20 |
| johnny | 4 boxes total | 06:20 |
| johnny | but i can see myself deploying it again in the future in more educational situations | 06:21 |
| johnny | we're gonna setup a "hack lab" so ltsp seems like a good choice | 06:21 |
| johnny | and doing it with gusty edubuntu right from the start should seriously help | 06:21 |
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| === Topic for #edubuntu: Order: http://shipit.edubuntu.org || Edubuntu - the education version of Ubuntu || http://www.edubuntu.org | Wiki: http://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuWiki | MEETING: every Wednesday see http://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuMeetingAgenda | feisty (7.04) is released, see http://www.edubuntu.org/Download | Tribe5 development release is out: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/releases/gutsy/tribe-5/ | ||
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| Kamping_Kaiser | bugger, no sbal | 09:32 |
| Kamping_Kaiser | question to the room: | 09:34 |
| Kamping_Kaiser | can [ia32/amd64] systems host ppc/sparc clients for netboot? i know the chroot has to be created on the relevent arch, but will endianness get in the way? | 09:35 |
| RichEd | Kamping_Kaiser: good question :) sorry that I have no idea | 09:36 |
| Kamping_Kaiser | hehe. i'll try and search out an answer - i was just about to start writing up some details on hosting/creating ltsp chroots for [other then server arch] | 09:37 |
| RichEd | logically ... I'd say that as long as the clients can see the host, and load the correct o/s that they need themselves, it may work | 09:38 |
| johnny | yes | 09:38 |
| johnny | i almost had ppc clients working | 09:38 |
| johnny | but managing the software that works on both arches isn't really worth it atm | 09:38 |
| Kamping_Kaiser | johnny, so they can boot but apps dont run? | 09:39 |
| johnny | sure they will | 09:41 |
| johnny | but you'd have to heavily manage the versions so they are as similiar as possible | 09:41 |
| johnny | if you wanted the config files to be compatible | 09:41 |
| Kamping_Kaiser | sorry, not sure i understand why theres going to be versioning problems | 09:42 |
| johnny | well there was a reason that ubuntu withdrew support in ppc for a time | 09:48 |
| Kamping_Kaiser | i dont recall it involving ltsp chroots ;) more number of systems in use | 09:48 |
| johnny | well if you have say, important gnome package X at version 2.18 for x86 and then only important gnome package X at 2.16 for ppc | 09:49 |
| johnny | the config files between both may or may not work together, depending obviously | 09:50 |
| johnny | or any other number of programs like pidgin | 09:50 |
| johnny | the list goes on, it just depends on what you're running | 09:50 |
| johnny | not everything compiles on every arch | 09:50 |
| johnny | or runs for that matter | 09:50 |
| johnny | i actually chose to go all x86 so i didn't have to deal with keeping config files in sync at all | 09:50 |
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| Kamping_Kaiser | no, but since the chroot is a fairly minimal setup i assumed the same chroot built everyware | 09:51 |
| johnny | and if i had to manage them seperately, it's just not that worth it | 09:51 |
| johnny | the base chroot may be fine, but i assume you'll be wanting apps :) | 09:51 |
| johnny | so in my case, i need flash,but flash isn't available on ppc | 09:51 |
| Kamping_Kaiser | but since everything runs on the server, why is it relevent to the chroot? | 09:52 |
| johnny | so people who were using the imacs we have get less functionality than those using pcs | 09:52 |
| johnny | i couldn't get it to work :) | 09:52 |
| johnny | i had to install firefox 32 | 09:52 |
| johnny | even for the server running uhmm | 09:52 |
| johnny | it still runs the proper kernel | 09:52 |
| Kamping_Kaiser | how anoying. *is shattered*. my writings just got harder | 09:52 |
| johnny | i could be completely wrong, i just know i couldn't get things to work the way i wanted | 09:53 |
| johnny | with some serious time spent | 09:53 |
| johnny | i finally got rid of the imacs and now everything is fine | 09:53 |
| Kamping_Kaiser | I *may* try this out later, but installing a server with gutsy and making my old macs go just doesnt really inspire | 09:54 |
| johnny | hmm.. | 09:54 |
| === johnny tries to remember the problem with flash | ||
| johnny | and how it got resolved | 09:54 |
| johnny | i didn't do that part | 09:55 |
| johnny | but i know that we never could get the 64bit stuff to work | 09:55 |
| johnny | the server is amd64 | 09:55 |
| johnny | and clients are normal i386 | 09:55 |
| johnny | i wish i had access to the box | 09:56 |
| johnny | right now | 09:56 |
| johnny | my chroot is definitely i386 | 09:56 |
| Kamping_Kaiser | flash has issues on any !=ia32 system | 09:56 |
| johnny | yes | 09:56 |
| johnny | sadly | 09:56 |
| johnny | flash is necessary for public internet terminals tho | 09:56 |
| johnny | reminds me to install the flash plugin :) | 09:57 |
| Kamping_Kaiser | lol | 09:57 |
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| johnny | i put two live today without flash, but i'll have to fix that up | 09:57 |
| johnny | and need more codecs in general | 09:58 |
| johnny | i hate dealing with that crap | 09:58 |
| johnny | :( | 09:58 |
| Kamping_Kaiser | :( | 09:58 |
| johnny | like ms codecs | 09:58 |
| johnny | but even i need them occasionally | 09:58 |
| johnny | open source implementations were getting better last i checked | 09:58 |
| Kamping_Kaiser | you stop caring after the first few weeks | 09:58 |
| johnny | not really | 09:58 |
| johnny | had my gentoo box for 4 years | 09:58 |
| johnny | i haven't stopped caring yet | 09:58 |
| Kamping_Kaiser | hehe. | 09:59 |
| johnny | then again, it is easy for to do it | 09:59 |
| johnny | since i only have i386 | 09:59 |
| Kamping_Kaiser | gah. i just opted to go out this evening. doco on building chrotos may have to wait | 09:59 |
| johnny | i looked in my chroots that i do have | 09:59 |
| Kamping_Kaiser | hm.. what are Edubuntus offical archs? ia32+amd64+sparc? | 10:00 |
| johnny | seems to be pretty full installs, which is what leaves me to believe my comments | 10:00 |
| johnny | is sparc? | 10:00 |
| johnny | i don't know | 10:00 |
| Kamping_Kaiser | 544M /opt/ltsp/i386/ | 10:00 |
| johnny | go to the site :) | 10:00 |
| johnny | yeah.. seems a pretty full install, and you'd have duplicate on ppc | 10:00 |
| Kamping_Kaiser | not sure where i'd look *tries anyway* | 10:00 |
| Kamping_Kaiser | full = 1.5gb surely | 10:00 |
| johnny | hmm? | 10:01 |
| johnny | i don't remember it being that big | 10:01 |
| johnny | well, plus swap file | 10:01 |
| johnny | and minus open office :) | 10:01 |
| Kamping_Kaiser | Two architectures are provided and formally supported: | 10:01 |
| Kamping_Kaiser | * PC (Intel x86) classroom server CD | 10:01 |
| Kamping_Kaiser | * 64-bit PC (AMD64) classroom server CD | 10:01 |
| johnny | yeah.. that's what i thought | 10:01 |
| Kamping_Kaiser | lol | 10:01 |
| johnny | didn't think that sparc was supported | 10:01 |
| johnny | not enough peeps have sparc or ppc boxes that aren't running apple stuff | 10:02 |
| johnny | see that as two seperate statements .. sparcs obviously don't run apple stuff | 10:02 |
| Kamping_Kaiser | supported as a port, not offical though | 10:04 |
| Kamping_Kaiser | afk. | 10:17 |
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| alexIdoia | hi there; I have installed edubuntu on 15 computer in a class room, everything went quite smoothly expect that I have only a screen resolution of 800x600 maximum | 10:30 |
| Kamping_Kaiser | alexIdoia, waht video cards are in the sytems? | 10:31 |
| alexIdoia | I went into /etc/X11/xorg.conf and there are plenty of higher resolution there, so I don't understand why they don't appear in my Preferences>Screen resolution utility | 10:31 |
| Kamping_Kaiser | xorg on the server or in the chroot? | 10:31 |
| alexIdoia | should I type lspci ? | 10:31 |
| Kamping_Kaiser | that could help | 10:32 |
| ogra | that would help, yes :) | 10:32 |
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| alexIdoia | 00:05.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation C51G [GeForce 6100] (rev a2) | 10:32 |
| ogra | or very old monitors ... | 10:32 |
| ogra | ah, k :) | 10:33 |
| Kamping_Kaiser | alexIdoia, is that server or client? | 10:33 |
| Kamping_Kaiser | hm... is that question relevent? | 10:33 |
| ogra | Kamping_Kaiser, workstation :) | 10:33 |
| Kamping_Kaiser | ogra, ah, right :) | 10:33 |
| ogra | (is what he said above) | 10:33 |
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| alexIdoia | Kamping_Kaiser: there are all independent machines | 10:33 |
| ogra | go to: System Administration Restricted Devices Manager | 10:34 |
| ogra | enable the nvidia driver .... | 10:34 |
| ogra | reboot ... | 10:34 |
| alexIdoia | ok that simple :) | 10:34 |
| alexIdoia | thank you | 10:35 |
| alexIdoia | both | 10:35 |
| ogra | (assuming you have 7.04 .... for older releases see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto/Nvidia ) | 10:35 |
| alexIdoia | need to reboot noz | 10:37 |
| alexIdoia | now | 10:37 |
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| juliux | morning | 11:06 |
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| sbalneav | Morning all! | 03:07 |
| RichEd | hey sbalneav | 03:08 |
| sbalneav | Hey RichEd | 03:08 |
| sbalneav | ogra: Hey, have you merged all my stuff yet? | 03:39 |
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| ogra | sbalneav, no, but i'm on it (RL is a desaster today for me ...) | 04:35 |
| sbalneav | Oh, nothing bad I hope? | 04:35 |
| ogra | one of the guineapigs died this morning ... susie doesnt cope atm ... | 04:36 |
| sbalneav | Oh noes! | 04:36 |
| sbalneav | I had hampsters when I was young, so I can sympathise | 04:37 |
| ogra | beyond that there is a lot of other stuff going on she cant cope with atm and i have to | 04:37 |
| ogra | well, it was only 3 mounts old ... its pretty odd since we just got it | 04:38 |
| sbalneav | Well, have strength. And give her my regards. | 04:38 |
| ogra | will do, she just picks up the corpes from the vet ... | 04:38 |
| ogra | *corpse | 04:39 |
| sbalneav | Don't worry about it today, but the question came up in that ltspfs bug about a backport. | 04:40 |
| sbalneav | We can talk about it when things settle down for you. | 04:40 |
| ogra | that will need an SRU and plent of testing in proposed-updates | 04:41 |
| ogra | *plenty | 04:41 |
| ogra | i fear we wont get enough testing ... | 04:41 |
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| bddebian | heya | 05:10 |
| sbalneav | Hey bddebian | 05:12 |
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| bddebian | Hi sbalneav | 05:13 |
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| moquist | ogra: working on Moodle right now | 07:28 |
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| cliebow | moquist:that must be the longest response time ever..gives real-time new meaning 8~) | 08:20 |
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| moquist | cliebow: I don't follow... you mean b/c he asked yesterday, or something? Yeah, that's a while. :) | 09:00 |
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| eandres25 | Hi! I need to Know how I can use edubuntu in Counseling, vocational o educative? | 09:08 |
| eandres25 | Can somebody help me? | 09:11 |
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| LaserJock | eandres25: hi | 09:22 |
| LaserJock | eandres25: can you describe what you need a bit more? | 09:23 |
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| moquist | LaserJock: I'm also working on a native package, and I've got a debian/install file that seems not to be doing anything...what is it in debian/rules that actually *runs* that file? | 09:31 |
| moquist | I'm looking at the dh_install stuff, but it's not yet clear to me. | 09:31 |
| LaserJock | dh_install | 09:31 |
| moquist | K. and that should probably be run under the install: target? | 09:32 |
| highvoltage | hola LaserJocko | 09:33 |
| LaserJock | moquist: yep | 09:34 |
| LaserJock | highvoltage: hola me amigo | 09:34 |
| moquist | LaserJock: thx. I got going on the moodle stuff and realized I needed a *gutsy* test system...losing that vmware server sucked. | 09:38 |
| eandres25 | LaserJock, ok, I don't speak English, but I will try. | 09:40 |
| eandres25 | I'm student and I want that my classmates know about Edubuntu, but I need to describe it like a toolboxes for counseling | 09:42 |
| eandres25 | Or if you know a technological tool for counseling it will be ok | 09:43 |
| LaserJock | hmm, that is somewhat hard to answer | 09:43 |
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| eandres25 | mmm, that's a big problem to me... | 09:45 |
| LaserJock | you might look at some of the material on http://www.edubuntu.org/UsingEdubuntu | 09:45 |
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| eandres25 | LaserJock, thank you! | 09:46 |
| LaserJock | eandres25: I don't even know what kinds of tools would be used in Counseling | 09:46 |
| moquist | apt-ftparchive is complaining in gutsy: | 09:50 |
| moquist | smbldap-configure has no source override entry | 09:50 |
| moquist | smbldap-configure has no binary override entry either | 09:50 |
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