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manchickenSeems as though xgl kinda sucks right now.12:40
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manchickenGrr... stuck compiz in so many places that I kept missing them removing them.12:45
erenkoHerkese iyi geceler01:01
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cynicsbug #13550084 is like http://paste.ubuntu.org.cn/308002:54
cynicsbug #1355084 is like http://paste.ubuntu.org.cn/308002:54
FrankHis anyone else having trouble with flash and konqueror in gutsy?02:54
cynicsbug #13508402:54
ubotuLaunchpad bug 135084 in kdebase "Kicker adds _: Entries in K-menu: to certain programs" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/13508402:54
jjesseFrankH: there are several bugs about if i recall02:58
FrankHok02:58
FrankHdoes the latest kernel cause a panic for anyone else?02:59
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ryanakcaFrankH: updated bug 13508403:11
ubotuLaunchpad bug 135084 in kdebase "Kicker adds _: Entries in K-menu: to certain programs" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/13508403:11
ryanakcahey Jucato03:12
Jucatohi ryanakca!03:12
ryanakcaLong time no see :)03:12
Jucatoheh yeah :)03:12
FrankHthanks, ryanakca03:13
DaSkreechJucato! :)03:13
DaSkreechGoing to check dog food then kick my ISP03:13
Jucatohm... dog food :)03:14
DaSkreechbah03:16
DaSkreechmight as well reboot to windows03:16
JucatoO.o03:16
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ryanakcahmm. anybody know how to test kmenu in appletproxy03:20
ryanakca?03:21
manchickenpowersaved seems to really work better on this system76 machine.03:21
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Jucatoclaydoh!!!!!03:22
claydohwelcome back03:22
Jucatohehe thanks :)03:22
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ryanakcahehe, you are :)03:23
Jucatohahaha03:23
nixternalbooyah!03:46
jjessenixternal: still updating my fresh debian install :)03:46
jjesse482 packages updated03:46
nixternalyowser03:47
nixternaldidn't they just do a newer release of etch? or have they just started the tagging?03:47
nixternalkdenetwork, kdepim, kdeutils and maybe kdevelop and kdetoys to go03:48
jjessei'm using a testing install of debian (lenny i think)03:48
nixternalahh03:48
nixternaltesting would be lenny03:48
jjessewahoo tigers are whomping on the yankees03:49
manchickenSo which seems to be better?  gnash or swfdec?03:49
nixternaland the Cubs are in 1st :)03:49
nixternalmanchicken: unfortunately...neither03:49
jjessedid hell just freeze over?03:49
nixternalhaha, I think so03:49
manchickennspluginviewer doesn't seem to be working very well in konq.03:49
nixternalnot with gutsy it isn't03:49
nixternalerr, let me rephrase that...yes it is broken in gutsy...I remember you saying you updated to gutsy earlier03:50
nixternalI guess we are hoping that opensuse fixes it03:50
jjessei was hoping nixternal was fixing it :)03:51
manchickenAren't they moving to GNOME?03:51
manchicken(I guess hell froze over)03:51
nixternaldunno...I know they have a big KDE following over there03:51
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manchickenHmm... my machine keeps thinking the battery is running out and switching into power-save.05:29
manchickenThe nice thing, on this machine that doesn't result in a kernel panic.05:29
manchickenSo sweet.05:29
DaSKreechha ha :)05:29
DaSKreechit's so easy to make a geek happy05:29
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manchickenYes.  Yes it is.05:40
manchickenGive me what I pay for and make it suck less and I'm very happy.05:40
manchickenI've already got most of my environment migrated over.05:40
DaSKreechmanchicken: KDE4 ?05:42
manchickenNaw, I'm running Gutsy kubuntu on my new System76 machine.05:44
manchickenI'm so happy to have some battery life.05:45
DaSKreechWait05:45
DaSKreechthats real?05:45
manchickenYes.06:12
manchickenI've been on battery for a few hours now, and I've still got some time left.06:12
DaSKreechwhat's it like?06:13
DaSKreechhow long did they take to ship?06:13
DaSKreechcan I get a Linux sticker with it?06:13
manchickenThey ship rather quickly.06:16
manchickenIt took a total of 11 days.06:16
manchickenCalendar.06:16
manchickenBut I bought up on the shipping.  I got the 2nd-day shipping.06:16
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DaSKreechwhere are you?06:18
manchickenAbout 150mi south of Chicago.06:18
DaSKreechHmm so it would take like a month and half to reach me06:19
manchickenwhere are you at?06:20
manchickenI'm not sure what their international shipping is like.06:20
DaSKreechin the caribbean06:20
manchickenIt only took 1.5 days to reach me once they shipped it.06:20
manchickenMost of the wait time was weekend and manufacturing.06:21
DaSKreechI'ts built when you order it?06:21
DaSKreech i thought that it was one SKU06:22
manchickenYeah06:22
manchickenNaw, it's built to order06:23
manchickenI got some custom stuff done with mine, so maybe they do inventory the default-builds.06:23
manchickenI wouldn't doubt if most of the folks who buy from them customize it a bit though.06:24
manchickenThis 12.1" guy is just fantastic.06:25
manchickenI'm gonna head to bed though.  Catch you later.06:25
DaSKreechNighht06:31
DaSKreechmanchicken: Does it have wifi?06:31
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innovatihey guys, I'm going to be testing various laptops and trying to find the best one for running Kubuntu06:43
innovatiis there a utility on the liveCD that would either benchmark or allow me to compare the performace of kubuntu on each machine in an apples to apples way?06:44
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=== Topic for #kubuntu-devel: Welcome to #kubuntu-devel | Bugs! https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-team/+packagebugs | KDE 4.0 beta 1 -- http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde4-beta1.php | Tribe 5 out
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(DaSKreech/#kubuntu-devel) i'm guessing no :)06:49
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Tonio_Hi there09:20
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_StefanS_morning09:31
_StefanS_finally number #2 came.. 4300grams / 54cm in length.09:32
Jucatomorning _StefanS_09:32
_StefanS_Hey Jucato09:32
_StefanS_Tonio_:09:32
Tonio__StefanS_: !!!09:43
Tonio__StefanS_: I was looking for you :)09:43
_StefanS_oh ? :)09:44
Tonio__StefanS_: interested in improving kdebluetooth ?09:44
_StefanS_well I've been busy with the new boy09:44
_StefanS_^09:44
Tonio__StefanS_: coupple of things that don't work correctly :)09:44
Tonio__StefanS_: HOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO !!!!!09:44
_StefanS_:D09:44
Tonio__StefanS_: congratulations !!!!!!!09:44
_StefanS_thank you :)09:44
_StefanS_He's doing fine, and the mom also.09:44
Tonio_great09:44
Jucatowow congratulations!!09:45
Tonio_is she still in hospital ?09:45
_StefanS_but its a little hard when you have 1 year old also ;) - kinda busy house09:45
_StefanS_nope, we came back the same day.09:45
Tonio__StefanS_: I suspect so ;)09:45
_StefanS_the whole deal took 3 hours.09:45
_StefanS_kinda quick :)09:45
Jucatowow I've only been gone for 2 months now _StefanS_ has a new baby :)09:45
Tonio__StefanS_: forget kdebluetooth then, we'll find someone else :)09:45
Tonio_allee: ping ?09:46
Tonio_Jucato: interested in working on kdebluetooth ? ;)09:46
Tonio_Jucato: now that _StefanS_ might not have time.... ;)09:47
Jucatosorry.. no packaging/coding skills acquired during my sabbatical :(09:47
Jucatoquite unfortunate though, since I actually have the hardware to run tests (usb bluetooth + phone)09:47
_StefanS_what needs to be done in kbt ?09:48
_StefanS_typing while giving a bottle of milk heh09:49
_StefanS_Tonio_: deadline ? ^09:50
Tonio__StefanS_: there are problems with the systray icon09:50
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Tonio__StefanS_: to make it simple : when you hide it, it doesn't hide09:50
_StefanS_tell me about it :) i told you a week ago :)09:51
Tonio__StefanS_: second problem : when you want it hidden and restart kdebluetooth, you don't see the icon, but the space is still used in the systray, it should do like adept updater for example09:51
Tonio_hum true09:51
Tonio_you already said that09:51
_StefanS_yep got it.09:51
_StefanS_is that the only problems ?09:51
Tonio__StefanS_: last thing (and that's new), kdebluetooth doesn't want to start when there is no pluggued bluetooth device09:51
Tonio__StefanS_: it should (I guess) detect when a new device is connected, that's the way the old framework worked09:52
Tonio__StefanS_: and I suspect that should be possible pretty easilly09:52
Tonio__StefanS_: shouldn't be that hard to detect a dbus event or something to see when a device is connected09:53
_StefanS_got it.09:53
_StefanS_so how much time to fix it?09:53
Tonio__StefanS_: we have general exception for kdebluetooth so I'd say that you have a bit of time09:55
Tonio_not 3 weeks of course, but a week or so09:55
Tonio__StefanS_: just fixing the hide thing in the systray would be good09:56
Tonio__StefanS_: I think allee is working on the card detection ar startup09:56
_StefanS_good, I'll focus on the tray thingy.09:56
Tonio__StefanS_: best would be in fact to remove that systray hiding option and make it automatic09:56
Tonio__StefanS_: for example : start it -> no icon09:56
Tonio_plug the bluetooth device -> icon appears09:56
Tonio__StefanS_: that's seems to be the good way to do  no ?09:57
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_StefanS_hmm what if you want to configure something before you activate a bluetooth device ? That would be kinda hard with the icon not being there.09:57
Tonio__StefanS_: the problem atm is that there is no way in the code to detect the device dinamically, just at startup09:57
Tonio__StefanS_: every setting is applied on a device, within it's mac address09:58
Tonio__StefanS_: no device, no settings, that's simple09:58
_StefanS_ah ok09:58
Tonio_so that would be the good way to do, but first fixing the hiding function to hide correctly would be good09:58
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Tonio__StefanS_: as I said, adept is a perfect example, as it does it correctly09:59
_StefanS_I'm going to take some notes and start looking at it.09:59
Tonio__StefanS_: if you want to guess how old kdebluetooth was detecting the devide pluging, I can have a look on that point toonight09:59
Tonio__StefanS_: super ;) you rock10:00
_StefanS_I'm off for two 2 weeks without the regular day-job, so I have some 2-3 hours a day to look at it.10:00
_StefanS_starting now :)10:00
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_StefanS_hey Hobbsee10:00
_StefanS_anyone know how lpia is going ?10:00
_StefanS_wowsers. thats alot of updates10:01
_StefanS_232mb since last week :)10:01
_StefanS_Jucato: that new LCD monitor you bought a while ago, was it a Samsung?10:05
Jucatoyep10:06
Jucato740N10:06
_StefanS_Jucato: uhm thats a 17" ?10:06
Jucatoyep10:06
Jucato1280x102410:06
_StefanS_Jucato: uhm ok, I was looking to buy that 24" 1920x1200 that they make... its very cheap, and I was concerned with the image quality10:07
_StefanS_what was the model number.. uh.10:07
Jucatowow! 24" :)10:07
Jucatooh btw, I finally got a dead-tree copy of the Qt 4 book. )10:07
Jucato:)10:07
_StefanS_well its _very_ cheap.. 245B its called10:08
_StefanS_Jucato: let me know if its any good !10:08
Jucatosure :)10:08
_StefanS_Jucato: budget version of 244T.10:08
Jucatoaccording to nixternal, he finds it better than either Qt Foundations or danimo's10:08
_StefanS_nice, did you get it from amazon?10:08
Jucatonope. local bookstore10:09
JucatoC++ GUI programming with Qt 4... it just hit our local bookstore this month10:09
_StefanS_gotta look here in dk then10:09
Jucatoalong with 3 Ubuntu books :)10:09
_StefanS_might be on its way, even though it usually takes time.10:09
_StefanS_Tonio_: arent we supposed to have a graphical Xorg configuration gui also for kde?10:10
_StefanS_Tonio_: like in regular ubuntu ? :)10:10
Jucatodon't we usually get new features 1 release later? :)10:10
Jucatowait, doesn't kde-guidance do that already?10:11
_StefanS_uhm..10:11
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_StefanS_seems we only have some basic xorg configuration10:12
Jucatoah you meant more advanced...10:12
Jucatohm.. has anyone taken a look at KX Config for that?10:12
_StefanS_its on kde-look.org, right?10:12
Jucatosearching10:12
_StefanS_I think I saw it in the past. It also tries to support prop. gfx, right?10:12
JucatoI had the link before..10:12
Jucatosorry KX Generator10:13
Jucatohttp://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php/kX+Generator?content=3908510:13
_StefanS_right.10:13
_StefanS_although I dont like it just resembles the configurationfile top-down.10:13
Jucatoah10:13
_StefanS_I mean,. its logical for a programmer to design it like that, but users dont really care ;)10:14
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_StefanS_Its confusing I think.10:14
Tonio__StefanS_: yes, we have the kde-guidance10:14
Tonio__StefanS_: might requires a few new features to get the same functionnality level I suspect10:14
_StefanS_Monitors and Displays in systemsettings., right ?10:14
_StefanS_yep.10:14
Jucatoyep10:14
Jucatoor displayconfig10:15
_StefanS_Jucato: same thing.10:15
Tonio__StefanS_: that kx generator is nice, but it has a big problem : it is not a kcontrol module ;)10:15
JucatoI meant if you wanted to run it solo :)10:15
Tonio__StefanS_: hard to integrate properly10:15
_StefanS_Tonio_: yea, and and the layout doesnt really appeal that much to me either.10:15
_StefanS_Tonio_: wizard stuff would be nice too.10:15
_StefanS_autodetect and so on using ddc probe10:16
Jucatohm.. weird... the layout of kxg on a local distro seems to be different from the one in the screenshots...10:16
_StefanS_but we'll have to wait with that until I get employed full time by canonical hehe :)10:16
_StefanS_(just kidding)10:16
Jucatowhat a dream10:16
_StefanS_I think I'm going to buy that monitor. Looks kinda nice.10:16
Jucato:)10:16
_StefanS_heh ;)10:17
_StefanS_oh nice someone fixed subversion in lpia10:17
_StefanS_phew.10:17
_StefanS_damn ruby stuff :D10:18
_StefanS_anyone know if HP's brightview is a glossy coating?10:22
_StefanS_argh seems like it.10:23
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Hobbsee_StefanS_: do you know if https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kde-guidance/+bug/65757 is gone?10:39
ubotuLaunchpad bug 65757 in kde-guidance "kde-guidance: the initscript hangs the whole system" [Undecided,New] 10:39
_StefanS_Hobbsee: I havent seen that bug at all.10:41
_StefanS_Hobbsee: dont think thats an issue anymore10:41
Hobbsee_StefanS_: cool10:41
Hobbsee_StefanS_: i decided to do a bit of bug triage on kde-guidance.  i assume there's a point in that10:42
_StefanS_Hobbsee: do ask around though, someonen might still experience it.10:42
Hobbseek10:43
Hobbsee_StefanS_: did you happen to know if lure wants to keep these open, if they're at incomplete?10:44
Hobbseehmmm, we need to check https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kde-guidance/+bug/109443 before beta10:47
ubotuLaunchpad bug 109443 in kde-guidance "update/upgrade failed" [Undecided,New] 10:47
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_StefanS_err just had to change a diaper10:54
_StefanS_lemme check10:55
Hobbsee_StefanS_: any idea if https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kde-guidance/+bug/105439 is still a problem, too?10:55
ubotuLaunchpad bug 105439 in kde-guidance "power-manager not loads correct .mo file" [Undecided,New] 10:55
_StefanS_109443 needs to have a dependency on python-scanpci i expect10:56
Hobbsee_StefanS_: what's that?10:56
Hobbsee_StefanS_: it doesnt exist in gutsy10:57
_StefanS_uhm 2secs10:57
_StefanS_Hobbsee: kde-guidance-powermanager works fine here11:03
_StefanS_no .mo errors.11:03
Hobbsee_StefanS_: does ti relate to a different language?11:03
_StefanS_Hobbsee: could be.. seems like its russian.11:04
_StefanS_Hobbsee: cant test language here.11:04
Hobbseeok11:04
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_StefanS_Hobbsee: maybe guidance-pwrmgr wasnt translated to russu11:05
_StefanS_russian?11:05
_StefanS_oh I see it was.-11:06
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_StefanS_Riddell: you can upload kdesdk to lpia also. It builds without changes to the package.11:12
_StefanS_Riddell: someone submitted subversion which it depended upon.11:12
_StefanS_Hobbsee: I gotta go, sorry.11:12
Hobbseeno problem11:12
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Riddell_Sime: ever heard of Uwe Koziolek?  he sent me an update to pcitable for nvidia for guidance11:31
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Tonio_Riddell: looks like there is a fix for nspluginviewer....12:00
Tonio_Riddell: testing right now12:00
alleeTonio_: morning :)12:03
alleeTonio_: I've worked out the kbt startup issue.  Sent it last (late) night to kubuntu-devel, but have not got the msg back from the list :(12:04
Tonio_allee: ah :(12:04
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Tonio_allee: what does your fix exactly ? avoids the error when started without a plugued key ?12:05
alleeTonio_: I'll sent it to you.  What's _StefanS_ e-mail?12:05
Tonio_allee: lemme check12:05
alleeTonio_: start/not start when device is available on startup.  Start bkt when a device get's plugged later12:05
Tonio_allee: nice12:06
Tonio_allee: does it deal with unpluging/repluging ?12:06
Tonio_allee: sfs_at_enhance-it.dk12:07
alleeTonio_: the script does not exit kbt when a device is unplugged.  But it listens to device removal, just does nothing in this case12:07
alleeTonio_: sent to you laposte e-mail.12:09
alleeStrange that it's not on the k-d list after 10 hours12:09
Tonio_allee: yep :(12:10
Tonio_allee: I'll work on that bluetooth thingy toonight ;)12:10
Tonio_allee: atm I have to test that nspluginviewer patch, I can't stand having to use firefox all day long :)12:10
RiddellTonio_: oh? where?12:11
alleeTonio_: right, as I want to switch to Gusty for my primary laptop, I can only agree :)12:12
Tonio_Riddell: https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=294385#c2212:12
ubotuNovell bug 294385 in GNOME "glib2 busyloops, blocking Konqueror and Opera on flash sites" [Blocker,Assigned] 12:12
Tonio_Riddell: see at the bottom.... currently building here for testing :)12:12
Tonio_Riddell: that won't fix opera btw12:12
Tonio_Riddell: I don't understand the point of that bug in fact, is that a deep change in gtk or a libglib bug ?12:13
Tonio_looks like a gtk bug btw, as lots of gtk based apps have to be fixed (OOo, nspluginviewer, acroread...)12:14
Riddellmm, making nspluginviewer depend on gtk, yay12:14
Tonio_Riddell: yup I saw that, but well, as we already provide gtk with gtk-qt-engines......12:17
Tonio_Riddell: and if that really fixes the problem...12:17
Riddellgtk-qt-engines doesn't depend on gtk12:18
Riddellamarok however does12:18
Riddellso does skim12:18
Riddellhmm, gtk-qt-engine does depend on gtk, that should be fixed12:19
Tonio_Riddell: yep amarok for the libgpod I guess12:19
Tonio_Riddell: isn't that normal that gtk-qt depends on gtk ? ;)12:19
Tonio_Riddell: how fixing ? that's a builddep12:20
RiddellTonio_: yes, but I removed the shlib dependency in the past12:20
Riddellthis brings bad karma and someone must have put it back12:21
Riddellbut it doesn't do any harm, since a gtk engine can't be used until you install gtk12:21
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Tonio_Riddell: yep12:21
Tonio_Riddell: I'll let you know what about the patch result, and then you decide what to do with it....12:22
Riddellif it works, we should apply it12:23
Tonio_k12:23
Riddellupstream should still fix the issue, but they're selfish and probably won't12:24
Riddelland flash/acroread should also fix the issue but they're proprietry and probably won't12:24
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Tonio_Riddell: well concerning acroread, no chance, but I suspect a fix might come along for flash, as there are regular updates for this12:27
Tonio_Riddell: still proprietary, but adobe looks like pushing for something good12:28
RiddellI wonder how much that's due to competition from gnash/swfdec12:29
RiddellTonio_: have you looked at system menu not working with dolphin at all?12:29
Tonio_Riddell: not yet but that's planned12:30
Tonio_Riddell: I can have a look toonight or tomorrow, not yet....12:31
Tonio_Riddell: how to reproduce ?12:31
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Tonio_Riddell: I have several things to tst on dolphin but I wasn't aware of that issue, and I can't see any "system" entry in it12:33
Tonio_Riddell: OH ! the kicker system thing ?12:33
Riddellyes12:34
Tonio_Riddell: okay that's just a desktop file problem12:35
Tonio_Riddell: needs  to accept URLs12:35
Tonio_\12:35
Tonio_rah.... %U12:35
Tonio_Riddell: patching this right now12:35
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Tonio_Riddell: is there a launchpad bug related to this ?12:39
Riddellnot that I've noticed12:40
Tonio_Riddell: okay12:41
Tonio_I was looking at the list of dolphin's bugs, I can fix some of them pretty quickly, doing that now, during lunch :)12:41
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Riddellnice12:42
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RiddellTonio_: did you add kvkbd to k-d-s?01:23
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RiddellI noticed my inbox was getting filled up this morning :)01:25
Hobbseehaha01:26
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nixternalwhat a beautiful day! mornin' everyone, or afternoon, or how about evening? :)01:53
Hobbseegood evening nixternal!01:54
Riddellah, nixternal, ogra was saying you were interested in maintaining edubuntu-desktop-kde01:56
RiddellTonio_: +   * When I open some directory by Dolphin, on the right column, under the images, all the operation are duplicated ('compress here', 'open01:59
Riddell+as root', are listed twice)01:59
Riddellseen that?01:59
Tonio_Riddell: looking01:59
Riddellalso: +   * if there is a directory that contains space in the name (for example 'New Folder'), and I open this directory by 'open a root' option01:59
Riddell+(in Dolphin), Dolphin will open 2 directory: a directory named 'New' and another named 'Folder', and than alert me that this directorys01:59
Riddell+doesn't exists.01:59
RiddellI've not verified, this is just from the tribe Feedback page02:00
nixternalRiddell: orly02:01
nixternalI would be interested as a matter of fact02:02
Riddellnixternal: groovy, the job's yours.  not that it should need much work, just checking if there's new apps in the desktop seed to be added02:06
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Riddellhi Jucato02:09
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Jucatooh good no one noticed my wav hahaha02:11
Jucatohi Hobbsee02:11
Jucatonext time I should ogg :P02:11
Hobbseehiya Jucato02:11
Hobbseehehe02:11
Tonio_Riddell: kvdb is planned too02:12
Tonio_Riddell: toonight02:12
jjessemorning02:12
Tonio_Riddell: the operations are not duplicated in dolphin for me02:13
RiddellTonio_: ok, as I say I've not verified02:14
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Tonio_Riddell: as I said, I'd preferably not set dolphin as default, only install it, for gutsy02:14
Tonio_Riddell: we really should reconsider this imho, as there are lots of little bugs in dolphin, making it an immature software02:15
Tonio_Riddell: but we should reconsider this quick :)02:15
Tonio_another bug I found is that dolphin doesn't work with help:/02:16
Tonio_which is a bit nasty....02:16
Riddellin which scenario?02:16
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Tonio_Riddell: see bug 13237502:19
ubotuLaunchpad bug 132375 in dolphin "Dolphin doesn't properly use the help:/ kio" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/13237502:19
Tonio_Riddell: of course that's only for people that are used to type help:/ in the address bar02:20
Tonio_clicking a link somewhere or a desktop icon will launch konqueror02:20
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nixternalRiddell: groovy right back at ya02:26
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jjessemorning nixternal02:26
Tonio_Riddell: doing kvkbd now, I have a couple of minutes to do it02:27
nixternalmornin' jjesse02:28
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Tonio_Riddell: fyi, session entry doesn't help having kvkbd reduced on startup..... looking at dcop for this02:36
Tonio_Riddell: want the main window on the screen by default or not ?02:37
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Riddellfor minor-motor-difficulties yes02:41
manchickenTonio_: Wuddup homes?02:43
RiddellTonio_: how did the nspluginviewer patch work?02:43
Tonio_Riddell: oki no problem with the non-minimized thing then :)02:43
Tonio_Riddell: just tested, works perfectly :)02:43
Riddellgroovy02:44
Tonio_Riddell: I'll wait a little bit for upload as I'm also patching knetaccess in kdebase to fix bug 13395702:44
ubotuLaunchpad bug 133957 in dolphin "Dolphin uses fish: instead of sftp: for "SSH" connections" [High,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/13395702:44
Tonio_Riddell: that requires both kdelibs and kdebase to be patched, but as this is a mean of security, I think we should do it02:45
Tonio_manchicken: hey ;) what is "wuddup" ?02:45
manchickenTonio_: That's manchicken for "what's up?"02:45
Tonio_manchicken: hehe oki ;) well that's fine, I'm at work today, so not very available, but that's okay :)02:46
manchickenI've formed my own language, and it's more precise than francais :P02:46
Tonio_Riddell: I'll probably upload both kdelibs and kdebase toonight02:46
Tonio_manchicken: si tu le dis... :)02:46
manchickenWe should all speak manchicken for diplomacy world-wide.02:46
nixternalmanchicken: you didn't form your own language, you just copied ebonics there02:46
Tonio_manchicken: and that's "franais", not "francais"02:46
manchickennixternal: No, ebonics is wuzzup02:46
nixternalactually, that is more ebonics with a little Elmer Fudd thrown in02:47
manchickenTonio_: Yes, but I don't have that key on my keyboard :)02:47
Tonio_manchicken: the "" is important, otherwise we would pronouce this franKais02:47
nixternalhehe02:47
Tonio_manchicken: haha, I know ;)02:47
manchickenTonio_: Yeah, I know, circumflex is very important.  I just lack the accent keys on my keyboard.02:47
Tonio_manchicken: that's why azerty keyboards are supperior to qwerty, you can type more letter with them02:47
nixternalmanchicken: cheat like I do, go into kword and insert the char and then c/p it into irc...but if you are using konvi, then you can just insert the char with it02:47
manchickenTonio_:I would think a more concise language would have fewer characters :P02:48
manchickennixternal: There is kcharpicker or something like that.02:48
manchickennixternal: That works better, no loading up the office libs.02:48
nosrednaekimmanchicken: try hawaiian, alphabet of 15 characters.02:48
nixternalya, like "lol", "wtf", "brb", "bff" :)02:48
Tonio_Riddell: ouch, it just looks like kdelibs ftbfs due to cups..... very annoying...02:48
manchickennosrednaekim: And all the pineapple you can eat.02:48
nixternalthey had a thing about those silly text/chat words on the news yesterday...I knew like 3 of them02:49
Tonio_ /tmp/buildd/kdelibs-3.5.7/./kdeprint/cups/cupsdconf2/cups-util.c:111: error: dereferencing pointer to incomplete type02:49
nixternalmmm pineapple02:49
Tonio_evil........02:49
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nixternaldon't forget to update the "kubuntuify the about" for Konqi..it needs to point to the correct help page02:50
manchickenYeah, using powersaved seems to work rather well for power management.02:50
nosrednaekimmanchicken: yeah.. it does.02:51
RiddellTonio_: oh, there's a patch for that02:51
manchickenI've been using the default color scheme and theme for a while now.02:51
manchickenIt's kinda nice.02:51
Tonio_Riddell: ah ?02:51
RiddellTonio_: I expect debian have it in their svn02:51
Tonio_Riddell: looking02:52
Riddellif not, http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14802102:52
ubotuKDE bug 148021 in general "kdelibs: build fails against cups-1.3" [Normal,New] 02:52
manchickenI have a feeling that the "we want xgl by default" people will be sorely disappointed though.02:52
Tonio_Riddell: okay I'll add the patch and also test the fish/sftp patch I've written02:52
manchickenNeither Beryl or compiz are working very well on this machine.02:52
_StefanS_Riddell: did you get my message on kdesdk ?02:52
RiddellTonio_: fish/sftp patch?02:52
Riddell_StefanS_: don't think so02:52
Tonio_Riddell: see bug 13395702:53
_StefanS_Riddell: you can upload it to lpia, it works with no changes.02:53
ubotuLaunchpad bug 133957 in dolphin "Dolphin uses fish: instead of sftp: for "SSH" connections" [High,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/13395702:53
nixternalsome try this:  from the main Konqi window where there is the doco link, trash link/icon and such, click on applications, and then click on "System Settings"...do you get an error?02:53
Tonio_Riddell: not a dolphin issue in fact, pure kdebase/kdelibs problem02:53
Riddell_StefanS_: if it just needs compiled you need to tell infinity02:53
_StefanS_Riddell: right, I will.02:53
Tonio_Riddell: using fish is pretty evil compared to sftp btw02:54
_StefanS_Riddell: kdewebdev is there aswell, so the whole kde suite should be done now.02:54
RiddellTonio_: it's messy, but fish works in places where sftp doesn't I believe02:54
nixternalnevermind that...seems I had a rogue .desktop file02:54
Riddell_StefanS_: great02:54
_StefanS_Riddell: donno if there's anything else that needs to be done on lpia?02:55
Tonio_Riddell: fish doesn't need sftp to work, as it uses standard ssh connection to perform the tasks02:55
_StefanS_Riddell: kde-wise I mean.02:55
Tonio_Riddell: usefull indeed, but terribly slow aswell02:55
_StefanS_nixternal: works for me.02:56
Tonio_Riddell: but indeed, fish works watever you do on the server part, even if you disable sftp and scp02:56
Tonio_Riddell: btw what to do with the bug ? I'm not sure there are security issues as this also uses ssl, it is just as secured as ssh can be02:57
Tonio_Riddell: we can fix or reject, you decide :)02:57
nixternalat least fix the help:/ one :)02:58
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Tonio_nixternal: hardly reproduceable here03:00
Tonio_nixternal: unless you use dolphin to browse html pages containing help:/ links03:01
Tonio_nixternal: have an example ?03:01
nixternalhelp:/kubuntu/index03:02
nixternalhelp:/amarok03:02
nixternalanything like that, will come up with a malformed error03:02
Tonio_nixternal: yeah, but that's when you type the url in dolphin manually right ?03:02
nixternaldolphin knows what to do when you feed it an html page, it opens up konqi03:03
nixternalTonio_: correct03:03
Tonio_if yes, I don't consider this a bug, but a non-existing feature, which is different03:03
Tonio_nixternal: we're in feature freeze :)03:03
nixternalunfreeze it :p03:03
RiddellTonio_: I'd reject, although I'm not necessarily against switching to sftp by default if that's easy to do03:03
Tonio_Riddell: not that hard, but requires patch for kdebase and kdelibs with an s/fish/sftp on netaccess/knetaccess03:04
Tonio_Riddell: probably a bit too much to fix such a little thing that late in the dev cycle....03:04
Tonio_Riddell: I'll probably just reject it03:04
Tonio_or discard to gutsy+103:04
nixternalTonio_: reject my help:/ one while you are at it03:04
Tonio_nixternal: yup :)03:05
Tonio_nixternal: I'll change to whishlist instead or rejecting03:05
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Tonio_nixternal: done03:11
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_StefanS_Tonio_: since the last version, I cant configure my mouse anymore. It complains about it cant create the input device03:14
nihuiRiddell: Tonio_: Why doesn't the gtalk in kopete have "voice call" function?03:17
Tonio__StefanS_: hu ?03:17
nihuimay i have the reason please?03:17
Tonio_nihui: we don't build it with libjingle I guess....03:17
_StefanS_Tonio_: I can see my bt mouse, but clicking the "setup" button yields a dialog with the message that It can create the inpu tdevice03:17
Tonio__StefanS_: need to test that toonight, no bt mouse here03:18
_StefanS_oka03:18
Tonio_nixternal: what is the malone status for "rejected" now ? is that "won't fix" or "invalid" ?03:18
nihuiTonio_: but why don't you built it with that? i think the "voice call" is really great~03:19
freeflyingTonio_: won't fix and invalid03:20
Tonio_freeflying: both ? oki03:20
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Tonio_nihui: because the lib is in universe, and we try not to get too much lib in main03:20
Tonio_nihui: btw a "main" package cannot build-depend on a universe one03:22
Tonio_nihui: too late in the gutsy dev cycle to get that done, but we may consider this for gutsy+1 then03:22
freeflyingTonio_: both03:22
Hobbseenihui: ahh, i know the answer to this.03:23
Tonio_Hobbsee: ah ? :)03:23
nihuiHobbsee: ?03:23
Tonio_nihui: also the voice support in kopete isn't really stable atm03:23
Hobbseenihui: because gtalk only works with a particular version of libjingle, and we have a later version in ubuntu, which other things depend on.03:23
Hobbseetha'ts the main reason that i havent put it in.03:24
Hobbseeand getting an obsolete vesrion of a library in main....even the thought of that is painful.03:24
freeflyingHobbsee: nihui wonders why other distribution supports  :)03:24
Tonio_Hobbsee: interesting03:24
Tonio_Hobbsee: so the libjingle version we have is incompatible with gtalk ?03:25
Hobbseefreeflying: because it's not commercial support, and they dont care about having multiple libraries.03:25
HobbseeTonio_: it was when i last checked (when it was first announced), yes03:25
Tonio_Hobbsee: okay03:25
manchicken Anybody ever got a webcam working in kubuntu before?03:25
Tonio_nihui: also according to kopete devs, they will not have a nice and stable gtalk support before kde4/phonon03:26
freeflyingmanchicken: webcam is not spcific to kubuntu03:26
Tonio_Hobbsee: looks like phonon is meant to support jingle, I didn't knew that03:26
manchickenfreeflying: This I know.  But system76 claims this guy works under gnome, and I'm having a hard time configuring it in kubuntu.03:26
freeflyingTonio_: how dose phonon support jingle?03:26
Tonio_freeflying: no idea that was on the blog of a kopete dev03:27
manchickenHmm...03:27
Tonio_freeflying: he was explaining that the jingle support within libjingle is a bit crackfull, and that this would change with kde4/phonon03:27
freeflyingmanchicken: borrow me one, I will configure it for you :)03:28
freeflyingTonio_: sounds nice03:28
freeflyingnihui: so, are you ok for the reason why dosen;t kubuntu support gtalk's vocie now?03:28
HobbseeTonio_: neat!03:29
manchickenheh03:29
Tonio_freeflying: "Implement a new Jingle media engine based on Phonon" at google SOC 200603:29
Tonio_freeflying: hopefully that'll work :)03:29
Tonio_freeflying: http://ts2.altervista.org/soc/03:30
manchickenfreeflying: I just spent a lot of time getting my new lappy.  Anybody who wants it is welcome to it if they're willing to pry it from my cold dead hands.03:30
freeflyingTonio_: I really hope we will have a usablity kde4.0 next year :)03:30
manchickenheh03:30
nihuifreeflying: ^^:)03:30
manchickenSystem76 did a great job on this machine though.03:30
Tonio_no idea if that's been done actually...... just it was planned03:30
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manchickenHeh, KDE has a barbie camera listed in their camera configuration setting.03:31
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alleeTonio_: I can confirm _StefanS_ bt mouse problem.  Same here.03:33
Tonio_allee: argh....03:33
Tonio_allee: okay I'll try with the latest svn sync....03:34
freeflyingTonio_: btw, will you have a look on kdm's login box font configure, seems it dosen't use Sans03:34
Tonio_freeflying: ah ? send me a mail about that, I'll look toonight :)03:34
Tonio_freeflying: no time right now03:34
Tonio_freeflying: I was pretty sure it was using Sans, just not the same size....03:36
freeflyingTonio_: really? but it can not pick up Chinese fonts here03:36
_StefanS_Tonio_: seems like kbt is pretty much work in progress.. cant you verify a good revision with the devs instead of trial and error?03:36
freeflyingTonio_: so it will has the same issue to Japanese and Korean03:37
manchickenOoh, there's an SD reader on this thing too.  Don't know if it works though.03:38
freeflyingmanchicken: SD reader works fine03:39
manchickenfreeflying: In system76?03:41
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manchickenI'm not sure how to get it working.  Submitted an email to their support guy.03:41
freeflyingmanchicken: you'd better join #kubuntu03:41
manchickenfreeflying: I could, but I'd rather give system76's support a whirl.03:42
_StefanS_manchicken: isnt it just a standard builtin usb device, like any other laptop?03:42
manchicken_StefanS_: Seems like it.03:42
manchickenfreeflying: It's not really important to me right now.  I don't really have a use for the webcam.03:43
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Tonio__allee, _StefanS_: there was fixes on the input thing on svn, currently building the package03:45
_StefanS_Tonio__: good03:45
manchickenThere we go, I've now reviews this darter on my blog.  I need to put some photos up.03:45
_StefanS_Tonio__: lets hope  nothing else broken :/03:45
_StefanS_is broken03:46
Tonio___StefanS_: yeah :/03:46
_StefanS_manchicken: it had a 12.1 screen, right?03:46
manchickenDid we ever get the basket problem sorted out?03:46
manchicken_StefanS_: yes.03:46
_StefanS_manchicken: i have a spare 2x2inch led display from an old radio in case you want to go with a larger resolution external monitor ... haha03:47
manchickenheh03:47
manchickenI've got 1280x800 IIRC03:48
_StefanS_uhm ok03:48
_StefanS_but its probably very light03:48
_StefanS_weight i mean03:49
_StefanS_Jucato: I ordered that 24" lcd.. i bought a benq fp241w, so lets hope its worth the money03:50
Jucatoyay!!03:52
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manchicken_StefanS_: If I wanted a big display I would have done something like that.  I just want something tiny that will help me hack and do work.'03:53
Riddellanyone feel like packaging this?  I've had a request  http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php/Tasty+Menu?content=4186603:56
_StefanS_manchicken: yep, its all about what you need.03:58
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manchicken_StefanS_: Yup.  Did you read my review?03:59
_StefanS_manchicken: i just read that you had bought it over a gateway/dell kinda thing03:59
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apokryphosJucato: you like it? :o04:00
manchicken_StefanS_: I just posted a bit of a review.04:00
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_StefanS_manchicken: blog url?04:00
manchickenapokryphos: I'd like to see it in action, but I don't like it either.04:00
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Jucatoapokryphos: let's just say that after trying all 3 kmenu alternatives, I have a better appreciation of your kickoff now :P04:00
apokryphos=)04:01
manchickenIs kickoff in repos?  I've never tried it.04:01
_StefanS_well i think all of them just make you work.... slower.04:01
apokryphosmanchicken: not afaik though there are some packages of it on kde-apps04:01
Jucatonope. never managed to got it packaged. I think Tonio was interested in doing that but sort of gave up...04:01
manchickenAh.04:01
apokryphos_StefanS_: kickoff makes things quite a bit faster I find. Use your favourites instead of trawling through the menu, or use the search to get inline search results04:02
RiddellI did compile kickoff once, it segfaulted on startup04:02
Riddellif someone wants to patch our kdebase for it that's fine, but it would have to not be default and have suse branding removed04:02
_StefanS_apokryphos: so you could just use Quick launcher.04:02
Jucato_StefanS_: depends on how many stuff you put into it. don't wanna crowd your panel either...04:03
_StefanS_apokryphos: well its just personall preference04:03
apokryphos_StefanS_: usability studies on it look quite promising though :)04:03
_StefanS_more alternatives the better.04:03
Jucatoyeah. you choose the tool that fits your workflow/needs. not the other way around04:03
_StefanS_i know04:03
apokryphosI don't really know about packaging but it's worth asking in #opensuse-kde if there are any specific issues (they're very willing to help)04:04
apokryphossabayon and pclinuxos have it packaged, but I think the fedora guys needed a couple of pointers04:04
_StefanS_Tonio__: so hows the compile going?04:04
Jucatoapokryphos: I read most of the related research literature on that. iirc kickoff wasn't able to completely address all the usability issues. can't be specific.. that was months ago..04:05
Jucatoanyway...04:05
apokryphosRiddell: what about http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php/Kickoff-qt+on++Kubuntu+7.04?content=55864 ?04:06
Tonio___StefanS_: uploading to my repo :)04:06
apokryphosjudging by the general quality of random rpms on appsy it's probably terrible, but ;)04:06
Riddellapokryphos: I don't see any source04:07
Tonio___StefanS_: you can test04:08
apokryphoshrm, yeah. I'll ask04:08
Tonio__allee: you can test too04:09
alleeTonio_: what?  /me reads back04:11
Tonio_allee: you will find the bluetooth packages on my repo04:11
Tonio_allee: http://ubuntu.tonio.homelinux.org04:11
alleeTonio_: k thx04:12
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_StefanS_Tonio_: do it later. gotta run. kids.04:27
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alleeTonio_: no success with BT mighty mouse.  Still: 'failed to create input device for 'mighty mouse'05:06
alleeTonio_: dittoo for a w800i that happens to be around here somewhere ;)05:07
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Tonio_allee: hum, that's pretty annoying :)05:09
bddebianHeya05:10
alleeTonio_: yes, no success with Microsoft BT mouse too :(05:12
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alleeTonio_: hidd --search connects to the two mouses (with pin request for mighty mouse as expected)05:25
Tonio_allee: sucks :(05:25
alleeTonio_: this uncovered another bug:  paird hid are not listed by bkt input device dialog.  2 are listed with hidd --show. but dialog is empty05:26
Tonio_allee: :'(05:28
alleeTonio_: I'll ask upstream05:28
Tonio_k05:29
Tonio_Riddell: I was thinking about the different kds profiles05:32
Tonio_Riddell: if you change /etc/kderc to use another profile, you miss the all settings in default right ?05:32
Tonio_Riddell: I don't see how is that possible to use both a specific profile and the default one in that priority order05:32
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allee_StefanS_: fyi: I still had no success with 2 bt mouses (sudo hidd --search/show worked) with Tonio_ 705625 build05:41
_StefanS_allee: right, I think I know something more to it..05:41
_StefanS_allee: kinputwizard: libkbluetooth: getString(CreateDevice): Method "CreateDevice" with signature "s" on interface "org.bluez.input.Manager" doesn't exist05:41
_StefanS_I will debug some more later on..05:42
_StefanS_Tonio_: ^05:42
alleeTonio_: in kdeblueooth pkging file somewhere accesible via bzr?   I assume it's time to combine svn checkout and debian/... checkout05:47
Tonio_allee: nope, not yet, I have to upload that to bzr05:49
alleeTonio_: k,  If I find time I try to merge to alioth05:51
Tonio_allee: oki :)05:51
Tonio_allee: when I have time, I'll put our packaging to svn05:51
Tonio_s/svn/bzr05:51
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RiddellTonio_: it's changed to use default and other one06:08
Tonio_Riddell: is that possible to use 2 profiles at the same time ?!06:10
RiddellTonio_: well yes, we already use three (/etc/kde, /usr/share/k-d-s, ~/.kde/)06:11
Tonio_Riddell: sure06:12
Tonio_Riddell: I was wondering if it was possible to do this :06:12
Tonio_~/.kde > k-d-s/acessibility > k-d-s default > /etc/kde06:12
Tonio_Riddell: I suspect no right ?06:12
Tonio_Riddell: saw that commit today in kds : jr <jr@lichts>06:20
Tonio_Riddell: is that you ?06:20
HobbseeTonio_: it is06:21
HobbseeTonio_: clearly you never had a shell on lichts, else you'd remember that.06:22
Tonio_Hobbsee: what is lichts ?06:22
HobbseeTonio_: his machine06:22
Hobbseewell, probably sladen's, by the talk at UDS.06:22
Tonio_ah ;)06:22
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RiddellTonio_: of course, that's how we use the accessibility profiles07:08
Tonio_Riddell: to make it easy to add a user to a profile, we should create system groups07:15
Tonio_Riddell: that's pretty easy to do, I just tested here07:15
Tonio_and then you set the profile to use for each group and that's it07:15
Tonio_Riddell: is there a reason we don't actually do that ?07:15
Tonio_adding groups is pretty easy with a postinst in kds07:16
Tonio_and then    it is just a matter of patching the /etc/kde-user-profiles file07:16
Tonio_Riddell: doing that way it would be super easy to document how to add user XXX to that accessibility profile, imho07:21
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RiddellTonio_: no particular reason why we don't do that07:48
alleesebas: ping07:49
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Tonio_Riddell: okay I'll pobably do that tomorrow then07:49
Tonio_make accessibility easy :)07:49
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riskwwii: re: new tribe kdm: please choose either blue-green or blue-purple. a mixture of the two is one of my pet hates.08:54
Riddellkdm is al blue (and black)08:56
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manchickendoes anybody else have kontact crapping all over them?09:01
coreymon77kwwii: isnt the term "pet peeves"?09:03
kwwiiris: not sure what you mean exactl09:04
kwwiicoreymon77: yepp09:04
riskwwii: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GutsyGibbon/Tribe5/Kubuntu?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=kdm.png09:04
riskwwii: 'frame' is blue-green09:05
riskwwii: highlighted user is blue-purple09:05
riskwwii: backdrop is sort of halfway between09:05
kwwiiris: looks like we need to apply the new colors scheme from the desktop to kdm as well09:06
riskwwii: sounds lovely09:06
kwwiiRiddell: we can fix that tomorrow09:06
manchickenkwwii: I've been using this default blue theme for a while now.  It's kinda nice.09:06
kwwiimanchicken: good to hear you like it09:06
manchickenThis is the first time I've actually used it, just wanted to let you know I like it.09:07
kwwii:-)09:07
manchickenI bought this 12.1" system76 guy.09:07
manchickenYou did the GNOME theme, too, didn't you?09:07
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kwwiimanchicken: yepp09:08
yuriymanchicken: i just updated and restarted and yeah now kontact looks funky09:08
manchickenkwwii: That looks pretty good, too.09:09
kwwiiman, am I good or what? :p09:09
kwwiitime for a bath...bbl09:09
manchickenI had to look at the brown while I was installing kubuntu :)09:09
yuriyi'm getting "failed to create the input device" trying to set up my mouse with kbluetooth :-\09:10
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riskwwii: also https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GutsyGibbon/Tribe5/Kubuntu?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=strigi.png - purple scrollbar, tab highlight, desktop pager highlight. other than that, pretty _damn_ nice.09:11
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kwwiihrm, seems like we missed the new color scheme all together09:17
manchickenyuriy: I keep getting kmail/kontact crashes.09:19
yuriyoh, not that09:24
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manchickenIs the basket problem still happening for you?09:33
DaSkreechHe has a basket case?09:39
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aantipopi thought dolphin would be the default file-manager in gutsy ??09:43
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manchickenaantipop: That's a KDE4 thing, not a gutsy thing.10:05
DaSkreechSo Innoculated Iguana?10:06
manchickenMan, kmail is sucking big time.10:07
manchickenKeeps crashing.10:07
danimoany chance for opensync 0.30 to get into kubuntu?10:08
aantipopmanchicken: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/GutsyGibbon/Tribe3/Kubuntu#head-e8fe28fe1a575f398b528f8d9fa8f313977c2a6610:10
Riddellmanchicken: there should be a new kontact in today10:11
Riddellmanchicken: have you tried that?10:11
Riddelldanimo: have you?10:11
danimoRiddell: my laptop is updating as we speak10:11
alleedanimo: try apt-cache rdepends libopensync0    Is all depending software ready for 0.30?10:11
alleedanimo: or is it ABI backwards compatible?10:12
danimoallee: how do I know? :)10:12
danimoshould be10:12
danimoallee: but kitchensync from KDE 4 requires it10:12
danimoallee: so one should just give it a try10:12
danimojust checking back10:13
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danimoallee: ok, 0.30 is not source compatible with 0.2010:17
danimoallee: so it needs an extra package I guess10:17
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doc_hi there10:18
manchickenRiddell: That's the one I'm on.10:20
danimoallee: would you take care ? :)10:20
Riddelldanimo: I'll ask the maintainer10:21
Riddellmanchicken: can you get a backtrace?10:21
manchickenI'll see what I can do.10:21
Riddellmanchicken: or do you have basket installed?10:21
manchickenI do.10:21
manchickenI don't think this one is basket-related.10:21
sahin_wmanchicken: Not so long time ago, I've had problem with kmail too (in feisty).10:21
manchickenIt's crashing even though I've got basket running separately.10:21
sahin_wmanchicken: The problem caused by a corrupt mail folder.10:22
sahin_wIn my case I created a copy about my mails10:22
sahin_wSo I move these mails to another location and reimport them.10:22
manchickenRiddell: I'm updating kdelibs and kdelibs4, so we'll see if that'll help.10:22
manchickenI'm skeptical.10:22
Riddellmanchicken: I suspect it is, try uninstalling basket10:22
manchickenRighto.10:22
sahin_wThat did the trick for me.10:22
sahin_wJust an idea.10:23
danimoRiddell: works like a charm :)10:23
manchickenI've also got a weird problem with katapult.  I'll start typing and it'll drop off.  I think it's a focus thing.10:23
Riddelldanimo: great10:24
danimoRiddell: and its got nice outlook-style features10:24
danimolike favourite folders10:24
manchickenRiddell: I don't really care for this "enterprise" branch much.10:25
Riddellmanchicken: why not?10:25
manchickenIt seems very unstable.10:25
Riddelldanimo: that only seems useful if you have many many folders10:25
manchickenAnd I'm not happy to give up basket.  I use that program all the time.10:25
danimoRiddell: well, I do10:25
Riddellmanchicken: do you use it integrated with kontact?10:25
manchickenRiddell: Yup.  I prefer it that way.10:25
DaSkreechIs basket maintained/10:25
danimomanchicken: you only have to give up integration, which is a stupid idea anyway10:25
DaSkreech I know they have a team I havne't looked to see if htey are doing planning or code commits10:26
manchickendanimo: I disagree.  I'd rather give up knotes and keep basket.10:26
Riddelldanimo: I believe it has a new maintainer (or so I heard)10:26
danimoRiddell: I think simly rebuilding basket against current pim would help10:26
danimomanchicken: sure, but basket is something where you drag things in10:26
danimoso it's not helpful to hide it inside kontact imho10:26
danimoesp. since it has no functional integration otherwise10:26
Riddellmanchicken: able to try a recompile of basket?10:26
manchickendanimo: It's also where you can create hierarchical trees of notes.10:27
DaSkreechdanimo: Sorry why is integration stupid?10:27
manchickendanimo: I use it for quick notes and stuff like that.10:28
manchickenRiddell: I could try one.  Do you have a src-deb?10:28
Riddellapt-get source ?10:29
manchickenSure.... but isn't that the same code as the binary?10:30
danimoDaSkreech: because its primary semantics is to drag stuff in from everywhere10:30
danimoDaSkreech: having kontact as a second window manager for the sake of nothing makes no sense10:31
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Riddellmanchicken: yes10:31
Riddellmanchicken:  < danimo> Riddell: I think simly rebuilding basket against current pim would help10:32
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danimothe crash looks a lot like the interface changed sligtly for some reason10:32
danimothat shouldn't happen, but somehow it did, or the compiler was upgraded and that upgrade had glitches, no idea...10:33
manchickenRiddell: So is integration gone for good then?  That would kinda suck.10:33
danimomanchicken: no its not, its just broken :)10:34
danimomanchicken: that's why you were asked to recompile the source package locally10:34
manchickenOkay, good :)10:35
manchickenI understand some folks don't find it useful, but this program is the only thing that keeps stuff organized in my head.10:36
sahin_wmanchicken: I've got good news for you.10:47
sahin_wmanchicken: I've rebuilt the basket againt the kdepim enetrprise branch.10:47
sahin_wmanchicken: The crash went away.10:47
sahin_wmanchicken: Now I'm able to start up kontact without any crash.10:48
sahin_wmanchicken: And basket is integrated. As you wish.10:48
sahin_wmanchicken: Just try it yourslef.10:49
Riddellsahin_w: excellent10:50
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sahin_wRiddell: So I think it's time to rebuild basket and upload the binary package to the gutsy repo.10:51
sahin_wI'm a big fun of basket too.10:51
sahin_wI hold my engineering notes inside basket.10:52
sahin_wAnd phone numbers too in case I would like to buy a pizza. ;-)10:53
sahin_wRiddell: Who will create a rebuilded basket package and who will upload it?10:56
sahin_wRiddell: Or it's time to create a launchpad entry?10:56
Riddellsahin_w: I'm just doing so10:56
alleedamino: I'm currently busy with blueooth.  I don't know when I can find time10:57
sahin_wRiddell: Ok, thanks!10:57
alleeRiddell: what do you think is the priority of opensync 0.30 is for gusty?10:58
sahin_wRiddell: In this case I won't open a lauchpad entry. Because you take care. And basket is in good hands! ;-)10:58
Riddellallee: it's being discussed on #u-d10:59
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manchickenHoly goodness, dude was right.12:25
manchickenRebuilding it gets basket working just fine.12:25
manchickenThat's fantastic.12:26
manchickenAnd now Adept is gonna cry about me running a from-source deb.12:27
manchickenOkay, I'm gonna boogy now.  I probably won't be on again for a few days.12:27
manchickenLater.12:27
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